I've consulted John Dorman's "Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia, Volume
Two," which by the way Maynard, is about 3x the thickness of Volume I and has
about half a column of Poythresses listed in the index.
From that book, I'll add below the wives for each of the 7 ancestral males in
Francis Wales Eppes' (FWE's) surname line that Randy gave us, with dates as
shown in the Dorman book.
Hopefully Lyn or Diana or someone can let us know if FWE is a Poythress
descendant thru one of these females in his ancestral line:
Francis Wayles Eppes (b. 20 Sep 1801 at "Eppington," Chesterfield Co, VA; d. 30
May 1881 in Orange Co, FL)
FWE's parents: John Wayles Eppes (b. 7 Apr 1772; d. 15 Sep 1823) and John's
first wife, Maria Jefferson (b. 1 Aug 1778; d. 17 Apr 1804), who John married 13
Oct 1797 at Monticello
JWE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. 1747; d. 4 Jul 1808 at the Sweet Springs, Bath
Co - now Alleghany Co, VA), and Elizabeth Wayles ("daughter of John and Tabitha
(Cocke) Wayles, who was born 24 Feb 1752 and died 10 Jun 1810 at Eppingham,
Chesterfield Co," VA), who Francis married "about 1769 in Charles City Co"
FE's parents: Richard Eppes (b. about 1724; d. before his Will was proved 5 Jul
and 2 Aug 1765 in Chesterfield Co, VA), and his first wife, Martha Bolling (b.
17 Nov 1726, daughter of Robert Bolling & his wife Anne Cocke; d. about 1751),
who Richard married about 1746
RE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. about 1683; d. before his Will was proved Dec
1734 in Henrico Co, VA), and his wife Sarah ___ (no further info about Sarah or
when they had married)
FE's parents: Francis Epes [yes, surname spelled differently] (b. about 1657; d.
before his Will was presented for probate 6 Jun 1720) and his wife Anne Isham,
who he married sometime between 23 Sep 1678 and 20 Feb 1681/2. Anne was daughter
of Col. Henry Isham and Katherine (Banks) Royall.
His parents: Francis Epes (b. about 1628 "presumably in Virginia" per Dorman; d.
Aug 1678), and his first wife, who he married about 1658 and whose name was not
known by Dorman.
His parents: Francis Epes (b. 1597 in England; came to Virginia before Apr 1625
when he was elected from Shirley Hundred to sit in the Assembly at James City;
d. by 1674), and his wife Marie/Mary, whose maiden name is unknown.
01/03/2004 1:32:24
Re: Poythress and Wall Family pages
Barbara P. Neal
Steve, I hope you heard from Lou, and I hope you'll let all of us know whenever
your Wall family CD is available. If you don't hear from Lou, I have an email
address for him that may still be good.
Barbara (BPN)
12/28/03 SteveW602@aol.com wrote:
> Lou Poole, are you still out there?
>
> Once again, my dad and I are almost ready to publish our Wall family CD
> (after all these years and restarts). And once again I am having trouble
> getting your Poythress and Wall web pages, which we want to include in the
> CD, downloaded with pictures and maps properly imbedded. I notice that the
> version on the poythress.net site also doesn't seem to have any pictures in
> it, although it seems that it used to.
>
> So can I ask you to again send me a PDF (preferred) or HTML version complete
> with pictures?
>
> Thanks so much for all your help. Be assured that when this thing does get
> done you will be the first to get one!
>
> Hoping you are having a great Christmas and New Years,
> Steve Wall
01/03/2004 10:23:33
Re: Mary ___? and Mary___?
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, I'm a little confused in reading thru the message you posted, about
which parts of the message were written by Shawn & which parts were your
response to him. Can you clarify for me, please?
Hope you're having a good new years weekend.
BPN
12/28/03 John M. Poythress wrote: Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
> John,
> I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
> Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you...
01/03/2004 10:26:49
Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
Randy Jones
Here's what I have as an ahnentafel for Francis
(1801). Don't see any Poythress direct connection:
1. Francis Eppes (1801-81)
2. John Wayles Eppes (1772-1823)
3. Maria Jefferson (1778-1804)
4. Francis Epes (1747-1808)
5. Elizabeth Wayles (1752-1810)
6. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
7. Martha Wayles (1748-82)
8. Richard Epes (1724-c.1765)
9. Martha Bolling (1726-c.1751)
10. John Wayles (1715-73) - His lineage from this
point is English, and not connected to the Poythresses
11. Tabitha Cocke (b.1724) - her ancestors are
uncertain but proposed lineages do not have a
Poythress as an ancestor
12. Peter Jefferson (1709-57)
13. Jane Randolph (1719-76)
14. See #10
15. Martha Eppes (1721-48)
16. Francis Epes (c.1683-c.1734)
17. Sarah (d.p.1737)
18. Robert Bolling (1682-1747)
19. Mary Ann Cocke (c.1688-c.1749)
24. Thomas Jefferson (1679-1731)
25. Mary Field (1680-1715)
26. Isham Randolph (1684-1742)
27. Jane Rogers (c.1695-p.1760)
30. See #16
31. See #17
32. Francis Epes (c.1657-c.1720)
33. Anne Isham (1665-1718)
36. Robert Bolling (1646-1709)
37. Ann Stith (c.1665-1709)
38. Richard Cocke (1660-1720)
39. Elizabeth (b.c.1664)
48. Thomas Jefferson (1640-c.1697)
49. Mary Martha Branch (c.1650-p.1703)
50. Peter Field (c.1647-1707)
51. Judith Soane (c.1647-c.1703)
52. William Randolph (c.1650-1711)
53. Mary Isham (c.1658-1735)
54. Charles Rogers (d.p.1704)
55. Jane Lilburne (d.p.1724)
64. Francis Epes (1627-78)
65. NN Wells
66. Henry Isham (1626-79)
67. Catherine Banks (1625-c.1686)
72. John Bolling (1610-48)
73. Mary Carie (c.1625-1648)
74. John Stith (1625-c.1694)
75. Jane (c.1624-1686)
76. Richard Cocke (1602-c.1665)
77. Mary Aston (d.1693)
96. Samuel Jeffreson III (c.1607-p.1685)
97. Elizabeth
98. Christopher Branch (1627-65)
99. Sarah Almond (b.c.1629)
100.James Field (b.1604)
102.Henry Soane (1622-c.1661)
103.Judith Fuller (c.1620-p.1695)
104.Richard Randolph (1620-78)
105.Elizabeth Ryland (c.1625-c.1669)
106.See #66
107.See #67
110.William Lilburne (c.1636-1682)
111.Elizabeth Nicholson (d.c.1721)
128.Francis Epes (1597-1674)
129.Marie Pawlett (1597-1642)
After this point most everyone in these lines are in
England.
-- Randy Jones
--- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
> Linda, Randy, and all -
>
> I've consulted John Dorman's "Descendants of Francis
> Epes I of Virginia, Volume
> Two," which by the way Maynard, is about 3x the
> thickness of Volume I and has
> about half a column of Poythresses listed in the
> index.
>
> From that book, I'll add below the wives for each
> of the 7 ancestral males in
> Francis Wales Eppes' (FWE's) surname line that Randy
> gave us, with dates as
> shown in the Dorman book.
>
> Hopefully Lyn or Diana or someone can let us know if
> FWE is a Poythress
> descendant thru one of these females in his
> ancestral line:
>
> Francis Wayles Eppes (b. 20 Sep 1801 at "Eppington,"
> Chesterfield Co, VA; d. 30
> May 1881 in Orange Co, FL)
>
> FWE's parents: John Wayles Eppes (b. 7 Apr 1772; d.
> 15 Sep 1823) and John's
> first wife, Maria Jefferson (b. 1 Aug 1778; d. 17
> Apr 1804), who John married 13
> Oct 1797 at Monticello
>
> JWE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. 1747; d. 4 Jul 1808
> at the Sweet Springs, Bath
> Co - now Alleghany Co, VA), and Elizabeth Wayles
> ("daughter of John and Tabitha
> (Cocke) Wayles, who was born 24 Feb 1752 and died 10
> Jun 1810 at Eppingham,
> Chesterfield Co," VA), who Francis married "about
> 1769 in Charles City Co"
>
> FE's parents: Richard Eppes (b. about 1724; d.
> before his Will was proved 5 Jul
> and 2 Aug 1765 in Chesterfield Co, VA), and his
> first wife, Martha Bolling (b.
> 17 Nov 1726, daughter of Robert Bolling & his wife
> Anne Cocke; d. about 1751),
> who Richard married about 1746
>
> RE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. about 1683; d.
> before his Will was proved Dec
> 1734 in Henrico Co, VA), and his wife Sarah ___ (no
> further info about Sarah or
> when they had married)
>
> FE's parents: Francis Epes [yes, surname spelled
> differently] (b. about 1657; d.
> before his Will was presented for probate 6 Jun
> 1720) and his wife Anne Isham,
> who he married sometime between 23 Sep 1678 and 20
> Feb 1681/2. Anne was daughter
> of Col. Henry Isham and Katherine (Banks) Royall.
>
> His parents: Francis Epes (b. about 1628 "presumably
> in Virginia" per Dorman; d.
> Aug 1678), and his first wife, who he married about
> 1658 and whose name was not
> known by Dorman.
>
> His parents: Francis Epes (b. 1597 in England; came
> to Virginia before Apr 1625
> when he was elected from Shirley Hundred to sit in
> the Assembly at James City;
> d. by 1674), and his wife Marie/Mary, whose maiden
> name is unknown.
>
>
>
>
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01/04/2004 1:41:20
RE: Mary ___? and Mary___?
John M. Poythress
Barb......
Subject: Re: Mary ___? and Mary___?
Maynard, I'm a little confused in reading thru the message you posted,
about
which parts of the message were written by Shawn & which parts were your
response to him. Can you clarify for me, please? BPN
12/28/03 John M. Poythress wrote: Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
> John,
> I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
> Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you...
Barb & all....I see now that what I saw on my monitor was not what got
through the pipeline and its structure was confusing. My try at
clarification:
The orginal email from Shawn Potter:
I haven't forgotten you. I'm just still struggling with it .back
to you in a day or so. John
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Potter [mailto:shpxlcp@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:34 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
John,
I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you.
There has been some speculation about whether Francis Poythress' wife
was an Epes descendant, because of Epes family entanglement in her
estate. Someone posted a note on the Poythress Rootsweb site stating
that a Francis and William Epes were involved in a lawsuit regarding the
inheritance of Mary, who first married Francis Poythress and secondly
married Robert Wynne. I have not looked at the original records, but I
wonder if Mary's connection to the Epes family was through a descendant
rather than through her ancestry.
According to Meyer and Dorman, "Richard Eppes (Cocke) (1824-1896) said
that the wife of Maj. John Epes was a Miss Poythress. She is possibly
the Mrs. Mary Epes mentioned in the estate accounts of her son John
Epes, 2 Nov. 1726." [Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman,
editors, "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia: 1607-1624/5,"
(Published by Order of First Families of Virginia, 1987, third edition),
p. 261]
According to my estimates, this Maj. John Epes was born about 1647 and
married Mary (Poythress?) about 1668. From Maj. John Epes' will and
deeds between Mary and her sons, we know that they had sons: Thomas (b.
c. 1669), John (b. c. 1671), Edward (b. c. 1673), Nathaniel (b. c.
1675), William (b. c. 1677), and Francis (b. c. 1679). Meyer and Dorman
mistakenly make Edward a son of Col. John Epes, father of Maj. John
Epes-but this chronology is impossible and a deed places Edward in the
later generation.
This would add another daughter to the family of Francis Poythress and
Mary ____; and this daughter would have been named for her mother. I
estimate that the wife of Maj. John Epes was born about 1649. This
would make this daughter one of the last children of Francis and Mary
____.
I would be interested in your thoughts.
Shawn Potter
HERE IS MY REPLY(since my pc will likely run all the indentations and
colors into "one" I identify "the speaker."
01/04/2004 5:42:32
Shawn Potter
John M. Poythress
Wonderful, people..I seem to have pulled the trigger too soon on another
one.
Here it is complete:
Barb......
Subject: Re: Mary ___? and Mary___?
Maynard, I'm a little confused in reading thru the message you posted,
about
which parts of the message were written by Shawn & which parts were your
response to him. Can you clarify for me, please? BPN
12/28/03 John M. Poythress wrote:
Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
> John,
> I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
> Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you...
Barb & all....I see now that what I saw on my monitor was not what got
through the pipeline and its structure was confusing. My try at
clarification:
The orginal email from Shawn Potter:
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Potter [mailto:shpxlcp@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:34 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
John,
I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you.
There has been some speculation about whether Francis Poythress' wife
was an Epes descendant, because of Epes family entanglement in her
estate. Someone posted a note on the Poythress Rootsweb site stating
that a Francis and William Epes were involved in a lawsuit regarding the
inheritance of Mary, who first married Francis Poythress and secondly
married Robert Wynne. I have not looked at the original records, but I
wonder if Mary's connection to the Epes family was through a descendant
rather than through her ancestry.
According to Meyer and Dorman, "Richard Eppes (Cocke) (1824-1896) said
that the wife of Maj. John Epes was a Miss Poythress. She is possibly
the Mrs. Mary Epes mentioned in the estate accounts of her son John
Epes, 2 Nov. 1726." [Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman,
editors, "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia: 1607-1624/5,"
(Published by Order of First Families of Virginia, 1987, third edition),
p. 261]
According to my estimates, this Maj. John Epes was born about 1647 and
married Mary (Poythress?) about 1668. From Maj. John Epes' will and
deeds between Mary and her sons, we know that they had sons: Thomas (b.
c. 1669), John (b. c. 1671), Edward (b. c. 1673), Nathaniel (b. c.
1675), William (b. c. 1677), and Francis (b. c. 1679). Meyer and Dorman
mistakenly make Edward a son of Col. John Epes, father of Maj. John
Epes-but this chronology is impossible and a deed places Edward in the
later generation.
This would add another daughter to the family of Francis Poythress and
Mary ____; and this daughter would have been named for her mother. I
estimate that the wife of Maj. John Epes was born about 1649. This
would make this daughter one of the last children of Francis and Mary
____.
I would be interested in your thoughts.
Shawn Potter
HERE IS MY REPLY(since my pc will likely run all the indentations and
colors into "one" I will identify "the speaker." :
Subject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant
Shawn:
I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you.
There has been some speculation about whether Francis Poythress' wife
was an Epes descendant, because of Epes family entanglement in her
estate. Someone posted a note on the Poythress Rootsweb site stating
that a Francis and William Epes were involved in a lawsuit regarding the
inheritance of Mary, who first married Francis Poythress and secondly
married Robert Wynne. I have not looked at the original records, but I
wonder if Mary's connection to the Epes family was through a descendant
rather than through her ancestry.
Maynard:
I appreciate your forebearance in my taking so long to even acknowledge
your question. It is indeed a tough one.
I recall the post to which you refer, the one with Francis and William
Epes regarding the inheritance of Mary _______ m. 1.
Francis Poythress, m. 2 Robert Wynne. I can't seem to locate that
reference but I do recall asking myself what in the world two Epes
brothers would be doing with their fingers in this pie. I believe at
the time I only speculated that they might have been executors as
friends of Robert Wynne. To my mind this only strengthened the notion
that Mary___ was likely a Sloman (one of several surname guesses for
Mary prevalent on the web) for "on 8 June 1663 Capt. Robert Wynne was
granted a certificate for 600 acres "establishing" the importation of
John Sloman ("establishing" in this instance suggesting -to me at any
rate- that the actual importation might have taken place at some earlier
point and Wynne "won" his case and the land on 8 June 1663).
The above is a footnote is from Dorman's 1992 "Ancestors and Descendants
of Francis Epes I of Virginia." The footnote itself cites "Robert
Hovenden, ed., The Visitation of Kent, Taken in the Years 1619-1621"
(Harleian Society, Publications, XLII; London, 1898 p. 157). That
appears to me to be getting somewhat afield but Dorman goes on in his
own footnote to the effect that " this John Sloman may be the husband of
Katherine (Epes) Maplesden Sloman, although since a Katherine Sloman
married Samuel Tilden on 14 Nov 1639 at Ashford Church [a shaky IGI
citation here], Katherine's husband may have died before 1639 and the
John mentioned in Virginia Records in the 1650's may instead be a son.
The relationship, if any, has not been confirmed." To me (MP) that
suggests there may be an Epes connection after all, albeit not with a
"Mr." Epes. I'm not sure what to make of this or how to carry the query
any further.
Since I found no linkage between Epes and Poythress prior to a marriage
in the 3rd Poythess generation, I think it just didn't occur to me to
suspect that Mary (1) herself might have been an Epes..and in fact, I
still am inclined to doubt it. My notion in this instance is that if
she had indeed been an Epes it would have been documented, the Epes
people being remarkably chronicled. And I looked the other way, I
suppose, having been snared mentally by "the Sloman connection" for
which I have found very little other evidence.
Shawn:
According to Meyer and Dorman, "Richard Eppes (Cocke) (1824-1896) said
that the wife of Maj. John Epes was a Miss Poythress. She is possibly
the Mrs. Mary Epes mentioned in the estate accounts of her son John
Epes, 2 Nov. 1726." [Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman,
editors, "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia: 1607-1624/5,"
(Published by Order of First Families of Virginia, 1987, third edition),
p. 261]
Maynard:
I don't have the "Purse & Person" to which you refer but if Dorman is
quoting Richard Eppes Cocke (1824-1896) dealing with 1626 then wouldn't
Richard Eppes be largely dealing with some history instead of a
contemporary "happening?" I have Lucy Bland Poythress (RBB281 4) m.
John Eppes but that is likely about 1785, far later than the time frame
at issue and at the same time far earlier than Richard Cocke himself. I
would have to answer this one that I just don't know because it strikes
me that 1626 is a time frame for Francis Epes (1), not his later
descendants.
Shawn:
According to my estimates, this Maj. John Epes was born about 1647 and
married Mary (Poythress?) about 1668. From Maj. John Epes' will and
deeds between Mary and her sons, we know that they had sons: Thomas (b.
c. 1669), John (b. c. 1671), Edward (b. c. 1673), Nathaniel (b. c.
1675), William (b. c. 1677), and Francis (b. c. 1679). Meyer and Dorman
mistakenly make Edward a son of Col. John Epes, father of Maj. John
Epes-but this chronology is impossible and a deed places Edward in the
later generation.
This would add another daughter to the family of Francis Poythress and
Mary ____; and this daughter would have been named for her mother. I
estimate that the wife of Maj. John Epes was born about 1649. This
would make this daughter one of the last children of Francis and Mary
____.
Maynard:
Shawn, I'm getting confused with my generations here so I'll simply
state what I THINK Dorman is now saying. Dorman has this "John (3), m.
1121 Mary (4) Epes." And later (p. 128): "He married his cousin 1121
Mary Epes, the heiress of the City Point land originally patented by
Francis (1) Epes in 1635." Dorman footnotes (p. 128): "This
identification appears to be the only conclusion which can be drawn from
Mrs. Mary Epes' sale of four portions of the City Point patent in 1722."
The footnote goes on to say at some length (my words here) that under
only two circumstances would Mary have had the authority to sell this
land: 1) it was devised to her by her husband John and Dorman finds it
"difficult to believe that 112 John (3) would have devised this land
outright to his wife and made no provision for passage to his sons
since, should she have married again, under the laws then in effect it
would have come under control of her second husband." Dorman opts for
2) The "only reasonable conclusion appears to be that she was herself
owner of the land by inheritance as the only daughter and heir at law of
112 John (3) Epes (as I make it, Dorman is saying Mary inherits her
title as "heir" to her husband instead of "wife" to her husband..a
matter which seems logical but I don't recall having run across a
similar instance).
The explanation goes on to the effect of: "such a conclusion, which
provides an additional generation, appears the more reasonable in
accounting for the long period between the birth of 112 John (3) Epes ca
1648 and the births of Mrs. Mary Epes' grandchildren in the late 1720's
and 1730's and in addition eliminates the problem of accounting for
decendants of 132 John (3) Epes, of whom no clear record exists if his
children are not identical with Mrs. Mary Epes' children. (Not sure I
follow that one).
The footnote goes through several additional somersaults but I must say
sounds circumstantially convincing to me in lieu of any other
evidence...and would likely take a new daughter of Francis and Mary
Poythress out of consideration..at least according to Mr. Dorman. I
will say candidly however, Shawn, that before now I have never given the
matter a nickel's worth of thought nor have I even been looking for such
a connection so there may be other evidence supporting your interesting
theory.
Further as only an aside, Dorman in 1992 has (one supposes) corrected
the error of assigning Edward Epes as son of Col. John (2) Epes by
simply dropping him out of the batting order..or at any rate I can't
seem to find where Dorman put him.
I would be interested in your thoughts.
There they are for whatever they are worth and I'm also punting this
answer to the Poythress net on the hope that someone else may address
your interesting question better than I. I'd also be interested in
your comments.
Shawn:
Shawn Potter
Regards,
Maynard
01/04/2004 6:42:48
Re: Shawn Potter
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard. Long as it is, it looks like it should be much easier to follow
now. Perhaps Shawn will join our List & chime in with a concise version of his
question(s) for us. Seems from Randy's posting today that included that great
Eppes ahnentafel, that, among us, we may have resources that might help Shawn.
Cheers,
BPN
01/04/2004 6:51:24
RE: Shawn Potter
John M. Poythress
Gee, I clean forgot about Randy with that mountain of Epes
information....I'll mention that to Shawn. You're right, it could be a
good "hook". Thanks, Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Shawn Potter
Thanks, Maynard. Long as it is, it looks like it should be much easier
to follow
now. Perhaps Shawn will join our List & chime in with a concise version
of his
question(s) for us. Seems from Randy's posting today that included that
great
Eppes ahnentafel, that, among us, we may have resources that might help
Shawn.
Cheers,
BPN
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01/05/2004 2:54:45
RE: Poythress and Wall Family pages
JLP
I responded to Steve very soon after I received his message. I'm
still lurking "out here," but I have changed my email address (getting
too much spam at the other address).
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress and Wall Family pages
Steve, I hope you heard from Lou, and I hope you'll let all of us know
whenever
your Wall family CD is available. If you don't hear from Lou, I have
an email
address for him that may still be good.
Barbara (BPN)
01/05/2004 3:26:22
RE: 1/3/04
John M. Poythress
Mike, you are absolutely correct on that "unmentioned" first son of John
(RBB 2). I fell prey to the same pitfall I often warn others about;
that is, that in primogeniture days the eldest son is often not even
mentioned in wills even by name since he automatically got everything
that was not specifically legated to the others. I'm adjusting my
headbone on this one. I really appreciate your jogging me.
Second, with respect to that preaching Francis or, as our board calls
him for handy filing "Francis preacher", I have been all over the lot
looking for him. I must have a dozen religious textbook history sources
photocopied. I simply have not been able to find his father. However,
interesting as he is from a history perspective, he is a genealogical
dead end. He winds up living in the house of his sister Susannah Prior
in Mercer County, KY and is "certifiably a lunatic", dying about 1815 or
so. Also from VA to KY came another sister, Elizabeth, who married (in
VA I'm fairly sure..there are Penistons in PG County) a Peniston guy
whose line eventually turned out a couple of semi-heavy hitters in KY.
Somewhere around here is the only productive snippet I have found yet: a
comment in one of the Peniston gedcoms that his wife (Elizabeth) was the
granddaughter of the noted Virginian named ________ and it was a guy
whom I couldn't find either.
For my Francis-preacher stuff, you'll see all that stuff on my disk
under Francis-preacher. Since the guy was childless and the daughters
daughtered-out the name I am approaching him "a posteriori"..i. e. just
throwing all the junk I can find about him into
the hard drive figuring one day I'll drag it all out and try to sort it
out. And I think the only thing genealogically important about him and
his two sisters is to find out the father and mother back in VA. which
is a question I keep "current" in my mind. After that, the only
interest is "history" and he does seem to be an interesting and
intriguing chap..with something of a Cotton Mather touch, like many
reformees from a life of dissipation. He was a running mate with Bishop
Asbury who in Methodist circles is a only a little lower than the
angels. I'm planning to splurge the sum of $12.50 and join the
Louisville Gene. Soc. this year..since they are understandably all hung
up with Louisvillians I don't expect much but maybe I can get a better
bead on some of the Peniston crowd and get to the father of
Francis-preacher.
Re Blandford. Nowadays, it always means the cemetery but my impression
is that it was in fact a "planned community" (or what passed for one
back then). William is on record someplace selling 4 lots in the
place. My guess is the "town" got overrun by Petersburg and maybe just
lost its identity. And of course there are those two great tombstones
from mid-1700's right outside the cemetery chapel door, one of whom I
seem to remember is William himself. There's a sexton list on the
Blandford website.
I agree with you that "my" Thomas is likely one of Rebecca(2)'s sons' or
brothers' sons. The problem is the ages. My guy died for sure in 1800
and I project a birth date as roughly 1740 (he has a son Meredith- also
"my" guy -marrying in 1782). The problem then gets to be that Thomas as
HIS father is 1683-1750 and that's not too comfortable and the next
generation seem to be "my" Thomas' contemporaries rather than fathers.
John (Batte DD) son of Rebecca(2) is a suspect as he is recorded as
first born and just has no dates hung by him.
I'm copying this to the board as others have dug around in these
specifics before and may have interesting comments and/or corrections.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:32 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: 1/3/04
John,
The 1712 will of John Poythress(2) mentions a son, Francis Poythress,
that does not show up in Batte's chart. The 1724 will of John
Poythress(3), son of Francis Poythress(2) mentions a son, Francis, also.
This last Francis evidently married Hannah Ravenscroft and had a son,
Francis.....I have never deciphered who the preaching Francis Poythress
was that seemed to be all over VA/MD/NC/TN. If any of the above is
incorrect, please correct me. By the way, this is the short form.
Evidently, there are other Francis Poythress marriages and quotations
out there.
By the way, I'm shooting from the hip on this next one........but, I
have seen something about William Poythress' involvement in Blandford
church....And, I have seen deeds with a Francis and William Poythress in
this area. I'm beginning to wonder if this Francis(3), son of John
Poythress(2), was the father of the Francis that was the preacher as it
seems that these two may have been involved with the Blandford church.
Like I said, I'm shooting from the hip, without notes, right this
minute. You can disregard this paragraph if I have not remembered the
facts correctly..........The thing that I have noted continuously
throughout my study is the fact that there seems to be no "hard-copy" of
a complete three/four generation study on any line....And dates of birth
and death are a crapshoot......What a nightmare.
It really seems like your most distant Thomas Poythress is a
son/grandson of one of Rebecca's brothers, John or Thomas, more than
likely, Thomas. I can't figure why nothing has been unearthed yet to
finally nail down this descent. But, I would almost say the same thing
about Richard Pace(3)'s daughters, Ann and Sarah, and his son, George. I
was hoping to find them to see what family they were married into. Not a
clue anywhere.
I look forward to the completion of your study and its inclusion on the
website. I would love to see some definitve information that we could
all bank on.
I guess, at some point, I will offer the material I have gathered to be
included in the "related families" section. I would hope that it will
lead to something productive....but we will see........Mike
01/05/2004 7:00:13
Re: 1/3/04
Michael Tutor
John,
I have also noted on the Poythress website that Thomas Poythress, the
cousin, was a witness to Joshua Poythress' will. In return, Joshua's son,
Joshua, was a witness to Thomas' will in 1750. Is that a misprint?....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: 1/3/04
> Mike, you are absolutely correct on that "unmentioned" first son of John
> (RBB 2). I fell prey to the same pitfall I often warn others about;
> that is, that in primogeniture days the eldest son is often not even
> mentioned in wills even by name since he automatically got everything
> that was not specifically legated to the others. I'm adjusting my
> headbone on this one. I really appreciate your jogging me.
>
>
>
> Second, with respect to that preaching Francis or, as our board calls
> him for handy filing "Francis preacher", I have been all over the lot
> looking for him. I must have a dozen religious textbook history sources
> photocopied. I simply have not been able to find his father. However,
> interesting as he is from a history perspective, he is a genealogical
> dead end. He winds up living in the house of his sister Susannah Prior
> in Mercer County, KY and is "certifiably a lunatic", dying about 1815 or
> so. Also from VA to KY came another sister, Elizabeth, who married (in
> VA I'm fairly sure..there are Penistons in PG County) a Peniston guy
> whose line eventually turned out a couple of semi-heavy hitters in KY.
> Somewhere around here is the only productive snippet I have found yet: a
> comment in one of the Peniston gedcoms that his wife (Elizabeth) was the
> granddaughter of the noted Virginian named ________ and it was a guy
> whom I couldn't find either.
>
>
>
> For my Francis-preacher stuff, you'll see all that stuff on my disk
> under Francis-preacher. Since the guy was childless and the daughters
> daughtered-out the name I am approaching him "a posteriori"..i. e. just
> throwing all the junk I can find about him into
>
> the hard drive figuring one day I'll drag it all out and try to sort it
> out. And I think the only thing genealogically important about him and
> his two sisters is to find out the father and mother back in VA. which
> is a question I keep "current" in my mind. After that, the only
> interest is "history" and he does seem to be an interesting and
> intriguing chap..with something of a Cotton Mather touch, like many
> reformees from a life of dissipation. He was a running mate with Bishop
> Asbury who in Methodist circles is a only a little lower than the
> angels. I'm planning to splurge the sum of $12.50 and join the
> Louisville Gene. Soc. this year..since they are understandably all hung
> up with Louisvillians I don't expect much but maybe I can get a better
> bead on some of the Peniston crowd and get to the father of
> Francis-preacher.
>
>
>
> Re Blandford. Nowadays, it always means the cemetery but my impression
> is that it was in fact a "planned community" (or what passed for one
> back then). William is on record someplace selling 4 lots in the
> place. My guess is the "town" got overrun by Petersburg and maybe just
> lost its identity. And of course there are those two great tombstones
> from mid-1700's right outside the cemetery chapel door, one of whom I
> seem to remember is William himself. There's a sexton list on the
> Blandford website.
>
>
>
> I agree with you that "my" Thomas is likely one of Rebecca(2)'s sons' or
> brothers' sons. The problem is the ages. My guy died for sure in 1800
> and I project a birth date as roughly 1740 (he has a son Meredith- also
> "my" guy -marrying in 1782). The problem then gets to be that Thomas as
> HIS father is 1683-1750 and that's not too comfortable and the next
> generation seem to be "my" Thomas' contemporaries rather than fathers.
> John (Batte DD) son of Rebecca(2) is a suspect as he is recorded as
> first born and just has no dates hung by him.
>
>
>
> I'm copying this to the board as others have dug around in these
> specifics before and may have interesting comments and/or corrections.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 7:32 PM
> To: John M. Poythress
> Subject: Re: 1/3/04
>
>
>
> John,
>
>
>
> The 1712 will of John Poythress(2) mentions a son, Francis Poythress,
> that does not show up in Batte's chart. The 1724 will of John
> Poythress(3), son of Francis Poythress(2) mentions a son, Francis, also.
> This last Francis evidently married Hannah Ravenscroft and had a son,
> Francis.....I have never deciphered who the preaching Francis Poythress
> was that seemed to be all over VA/MD/NC/TN. If any of the above is
> incorrect, please correct me. By the way, this is the short form.
> Evidently, there are other Francis Poythress marriages and quotations
> out there.
>
>
>
> By the way, I'm shooting from the hip on this next one........but, I
> have seen something about William Poythress' involvement in Blandford
> church....And, I have seen deeds with a Francis and William Poythress in
> this area. I'm beginning to wonder if this Francis(3), son of John
> Poythress(2), was the father of the Francis that was the preacher as it
> seems that these two may have been involved with the Blandford church.
> Like I said, I'm shooting from the hip, without notes, right this
> minute. You can disregard this paragraph if I have not remembered the
> facts correctly..........The thing that I have noted continuously
> throughout my study is the fact that there seems to be no "hard-copy" of
> a complete three/four generation study on any line....And dates of birth
> and death are a crapshoot......What a nightmare.
>
>
>
> It really seems like your most distant Thomas Poythress is a
> son/grandson of one of Rebecca's brothers, John or Thomas, more than
> likely, Thomas. I can't figure why nothing has been unearthed yet to
> finally nail down this descent. But, I would almost say the same thing
> about Richard Pace(3)'s daughters, Ann and Sarah, and his son, George. I
> was hoping to find them to see what family they were married into. Not a
> clue anywhere.
>
>
>
> I look forward to the completion of your study and its inclusion on the
> website. I would love to see some definitve information that we could
> all bank on.
>
>
>
> I guess, at some point, I will offer the material I have gathered to be
> included in the "related families" section. I would hope that it will
> lead to something productive....but we will see........Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
01/05/2004 11:58:15
Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
koswcartist
Please define the word ahnetafel. I usually score high on the word
definitions but that one escapes me. Patti, a descendent of J S Poythress.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
> Here's what I have as an ahnentafel for Francis
> (1801). Don't see any Poythress direct connection:
>
> 1. Francis Eppes (1801-81)
> 2. John Wayles Eppes (1772-1823)
> 3. Maria Jefferson (1778-1804)
> 4. Francis Epes (1747-1808)
> 5. Elizabeth Wayles (1752-1810)
> 6. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
> 7. Martha Wayles (1748-82)
> 8. Richard Epes (1724-c.1765)
> 9. Martha Bolling (1726-c.1751)
> 10. John Wayles (1715-73) - His lineage from this
> point is English, and not connected to the Poythresses
> 11. Tabitha Cocke (b.1724) - her ancestors are
> uncertain but proposed lineages do not have a
> Poythress as an ancestor
> 12. Peter Jefferson (1709-57)
> 13. Jane Randolph (1719-76)
> 14. See #10
> 15. Martha Eppes (1721-48)
> 16. Francis Epes (c.1683-c.1734)
> 17. Sarah (d.p.1737)
> 18. Robert Bolling (1682-1747)
> 19. Mary Ann Cocke (c.1688-c.1749)
> 24. Thomas Jefferson (1679-1731)
> 25. Mary Field (1680-1715)
> 26. Isham Randolph (1684-1742)
> 27. Jane Rogers (c.1695-p.1760)
> 30. See #16
> 31. See #17
> 32. Francis Epes (c.1657-c.1720)
> 33. Anne Isham (1665-1718)
> 36. Robert Bolling (1646-1709)
> 37. Ann Stith (c.1665-1709)
> 38. Richard Cocke (1660-1720)
> 39. Elizabeth (b.c.1664)
> 48. Thomas Jefferson (1640-c.1697)
> 49. Mary Martha Branch (c.1650-p.1703)
> 50. Peter Field (c.1647-1707)
> 51. Judith Soane (c.1647-c.1703)
> 52. William Randolph (c.1650-1711)
> 53. Mary Isham (c.1658-1735)
> 54. Charles Rogers (d.p.1704)
> 55. Jane Lilburne (d.p.1724)
> 64. Francis Epes (1627-78)
> 65. NN Wells
> 66. Henry Isham (1626-79)
> 67. Catherine Banks (1625-c.1686)
> 72. John Bolling (1610-48)
> 73. Mary Carie (c.1625-1648)
> 74. John Stith (1625-c.1694)
> 75. Jane (c.1624-1686)
> 76. Richard Cocke (1602-c.1665)
> 77. Mary Aston (d.1693)
> 96. Samuel Jeffreson III (c.1607-p.1685)
> 97. Elizabeth
> 98. Christopher Branch (1627-65)
> 99. Sarah Almond (b.c.1629)
> 100.James Field (b.1604)
> 102.Henry Soane (1622-c.1661)
> 103.Judith Fuller (c.1620-p.1695)
> 104.Richard Randolph (1620-78)
> 105.Elizabeth Ryland (c.1625-c.1669)
> 106.See #66
> 107.See #67
> 110.William Lilburne (c.1636-1682)
> 111.Elizabeth Nicholson (d.c.1721)
> 128.Francis Epes (1597-1674)
> 129.Marie Pawlett (1597-1642)
>
> After this point most everyone in these lines are in
> England.
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
> --- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
> > Linda, Randy, and all -
> >
> > I've consulted John Dorman's "Descendants of Francis
> > Epes I of Virginia, Volume
> > Two," which by the way Maynard, is about 3x the
> > thickness of Volume I and has
> > about half a column of Poythresses listed in the
> > index.
> >
> > From that book, I'll add below the wives for each
> > of the 7 ancestral males in
> > Francis Wales Eppes' (FWE's) surname line that Randy
> > gave us, with dates as
> > shown in the Dorman book.
> >
> > Hopefully Lyn or Diana or someone can let us know if
> > FWE is a Poythress
> > descendant thru one of these females in his
> > ancestral line:
> >
> > Francis Wayles Eppes (b. 20 Sep 1801 at "Eppington,"
> > Chesterfield Co, VA; d. 30
> > May 1881 in Orange Co, FL)
> >
> > FWE's parents: John Wayles Eppes (b. 7 Apr 1772; d.
> > 15 Sep 1823) and John's
> > first wife, Maria Jefferson (b. 1 Aug 1778; d. 17
> > Apr 1804), who John married 13
> > Oct 1797 at Monticello
> >
> > JWE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. 1747; d. 4 Jul 1808
> > at the Sweet Springs, Bath
> > Co - now Alleghany Co, VA), and Elizabeth Wayles
> > ("daughter of John and Tabitha
> > (Cocke) Wayles, who was born 24 Feb 1752 and died 10
> > Jun 1810 at Eppingham,
> > Chesterfield Co," VA), who Francis married "about
> > 1769 in Charles City Co"
> >
> > FE's parents: Richard Eppes (b. about 1724; d.
> > before his Will was proved 5 Jul
> > and 2 Aug 1765 in Chesterfield Co, VA), and his
> > first wife, Martha Bolling (b.
> > 17 Nov 1726, daughter of Robert Bolling & his wife
> > Anne Cocke; d. about 1751),
> > who Richard married about 1746
> >
> > RE's parents: Francis Eppes (b. about 1683; d.
> > before his Will was proved Dec
> > 1734 in Henrico Co, VA), and his wife Sarah ___ (no
> > further info about Sarah or
> > when they had married)
> >
> > FE's parents: Francis Epes [yes, surname spelled
> > differently] (b. about 1657; d.
> > before his Will was presented for probate 6 Jun
> > 1720) and his wife Anne Isham,
> > who he married sometime between 23 Sep 1678 and 20
> > Feb 1681/2. Anne was daughter
> > of Col. Henry Isham and Katherine (Banks) Royall.
> >
> > His parents: Francis Epes (b. about 1628 "presumably
> > in Virginia" per Dorman; d.
> > Aug 1678), and his first wife, who he married about
> > 1658 and whose name was not
> > known by Dorman.
> >
> > His parents: Francis Epes (b. 1597 in England; came
> > to Virginia before Apr 1625
> > when he was elected from Shirley Hundred to sit in
> > the Assembly at James City;
> > d. by 1674), and his wife Marie/Mary, whose maiden
> > name is unknown.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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01/05/2004 12:31:21
Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
Randy Jones
--- koswcartist wrote:
> Please define the word ahnetafel. I usually score
> high on the word
> definitions but that one escapes me. Patti, a
> descendent of J S Poythress.
From German, the word ahnentafel means "ancestor
table". It is a list of ancestors numbered in
accordance with the system where the first person is
number 1, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother
is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc. In this
system, a person's father's number is always twice the
person's number and his or her mother's number is
twice-plus-one. . So-called because it was popularized
by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book,
Ahentafel Atlas. The system was first used in a book
by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.
Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and
"tafel" means table or list; because of this literal
translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used
to describe any list of ancestors. This discription is
courtesy of Richard Pence --
richardpence@pipeline.com.
I have create a dictionary of genealogical and archaic
terms such as this, which can be found at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict.html
-- Randy Jones
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01/05/2004 12:53:34
Re: Wall Family CD
Barbara P. Neal
Congratulations, Steve, on getting the CD done. I indeed would like to get a
copy of it, and will email you separately with my snailmail address.
BPN
01/08/2004 2:39:07
RE: VHS Mss6:4 M2875:1
John M. Poythress
Dear Mr. Shepard:
I am more than pleased (and flattered) that you are interested in making
this paper an "acquisition." I hope it lives up to its billing although
in all modesty I was only looking for critique. Sincerely, John M.
Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Shepard [mailto:lee_shepard@vahistorical.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:25 AM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: RE: VHS Mss6:4 M2875:1
Dear Mr. Poythress,
Thank you for your email and the attached file, which I was
able successfully to download. We appreciate very much your sharing
this work with us, and through our library with other Virginia family
researchers. It would be my plan, given the extent of information in
your document, to catalog it as a separate item, linked electronically
through our online catalog with the Maitland family Bible record. I
think that way it would attract greater attention and hopefully draw out
the comments of other researchers that you desire.
If that is satisfactory, I will place this item in our new
acquisitions files and hope to have it processed during 2004.
With very best wishes and many thanks,
Lee Shepard
E. Lee Shepard
Director of Manuscripts
and Archives
Virginia Historical Society
P.O. Box 7311
Richmond, VA 23221-0311
(804) 342-9670
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:58 PM
To: Lee Shepard
Subject: VHS Mss6:4 M2875:1
(all attachments scanned for viruses by Norton Anti-Virus)
Dear Mr. Shepard:
Several years ago I made a trip to Richmond and did a couple of days
genealogical research in your outstanding material. One of the pleasant
surprises was that various "previous" researchers had left inside the
manuscript folders additional information for those who might follow.
These ran the gamut from full fledged studies to notes jotted on slips
of paper.
Often the material left supplied information to the researcher and
invited critique or corrections to be directed to the "note leaver."
I found this material to be most helpful.
In the instance of The Maitland Bible (VHS Mss6:4 M2875:1) one of the
parts of this Mss deals with what was described at the time as a "legend
across Virginia", that of "the nine Misses Poythress and the eight
Misses Poythress" in successive generations who married into
(presumably) 17 Prince George County families in the mid to late 1700's.
This was of interest to me because I am researching my own surname
Poythress. I speculated that it might also be of interest to other
researchers because of the
many other Prince George families involved. Generally, the families
covered are those quite commonly researched in Virginia colonial
genealogy: Bland, Randolph, Lee, Goode, Epes, Cocke, Mayo, etc.
I undertook to study this portion of the Maitland family bible and
prepare a research report detailing the individuals and families
involved. It is 10 pages and it is attached. As I carefully point
out, I am humbly submitting this with a solicitation for corrections
and/or additions.
If it would be possible to do so, would you be so kind as to include
this report in your VHS Mss folder. And if your email policy precludes
your downloading "attachments", I would be happy to mail you a hard
copy. I hope you will consider this material worth including in your
collection. My interest, of course, is to receive potential
"correcting" comments from future researchers.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222
(brerfox@bellsouth.net)
01/08/2004 4:21:50
Wall Family CD
Thanks, Barbara, for following up. Yes, after so many years, the Wall family CD is done - although we may do another version. It does NOT concentrate on the Poythress line, and its Poythress connection doesn't venture beyond the Batte chart and what is on Lou's web page. But it does contain extensive Wall family history and lore, and I would be happy to send a copy to anyone interested if you will send me your email address. In patricular I have received help from Diana Diamond - Diana, if you're around and would send me your address I'll mail you a copy. And thanks to all the other P-list members who have thrown suggestions and help my way as well.
The CD is in Web page format, not GEDCOM, as we have one Wall family member who has requested that we not publish the database itself, but it is easier to read that way.
Steve Wall
01/08/2004 4:44:55
Junk
John M. Poythress
Oops, sorry for the junk e-mail.
Maynard
01/08/2004 7:59:22
Re: Wall Family CD
Pat
Steve, I would like a copy of the CD. Please advise of the cost.
Pat Autry
8742 Lorraine Drive
Charlotte, NC 28270-0907
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:44 PM
Subject: Wall Family CD
> Thanks, Barbara, for following up. Yes, after so many years, the Wall
family CD is done - although we may do another version. It does NOT
concentrate on the Poythress line, and its Poythress connection doesn't
venture beyond the Batte chart and what is on Lou's web page. But it does
contain extensive Wall family history and lore, and I would be happy to send
a copy to anyone interested if you will send me your email address. In
patricular I have received help from Diana Diamond - Diana, if you're around
and would send me your address I'll mail you a copy. And thanks to all the
other P-list members who have thrown suggestions and help my way as well.
>
> The CD is in Web page format, not GEDCOM, as we have one Wall family
member who has requested that we not publish the database itself, but it is
easier to read that way.
>
>
> Steve Wall
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
01/09/2004 1:17:22
Screven Co, GA Census question
Barbara P. Neal
In the 1870 Screven County, Georgia Census, Dwelling 883, page 318, enumerated
on 30 Aug, lists as head of household (the widow of John Maner Poythress) Rhody
Poythess, age 40 female; Alice, age 15 female who attends school; Eda, age 10
female; William, age 7 male; Cullen, age 4 male; and (Rhody's sister) Ann Gross,
age 36 female. All born in GA.
I understand that "Cullen" age 4 is Horace Cullen Poythress (who later marries
Flossie O. Wells); and I understand that "Alice" is Cullen's sister, Alice Helen
Poythress (who later marries Peter A. Reddick).
I thought those were the only two children that John Maner Poythress &
Rhoda/Rhody (nee Gross) had, but perhaps I'm wrong?
Can anyone tell me more about Eda, age 10 female, and William, age 7 male? Were
they children of John Maner Poythress & Rhoda/Rhody (nee Gross)? Did they make
it to adulthood? Any further info on them?
Thanks for any help.
BPN
01/09/2004 2:53:46
Georgia Salzburgers
John M. Poythress
Bud, as information, the new site: http://www.georgiasalzburgers.com/
Since you am one of those guys thought you'd be interested.
Best,
Maynard
01/09/2004 3:23:00
John M. Poythress
Message has two purposes..
First, if I go AWOL from time to time in the near future I'm off trying
to lead a cyber-war against the people who bought my old employer and
are now deviously shifting a portion of my ever increasing heath
insurance costs to their own bottom line.
Second, if you are a retiree with health benefits from a major
corporation, the intro to a WSJ article of yesterday is copied below.
You will instantly recognize what for corporate types practicing
deviousness is an irresistible course of action. If you are a retiree
of such a crowd, be prepared for the possibility (even probability) of
what the Wall Street Journal describes precisely on their FRONT PAGE:
Wall Street Journal Page 1 1/8/2004
Federal Drug Subsidy for Retirees
Boosts Bottom Line for Employers
"...When Congress approved prescription-drug benefits..last year, it
granted benefits for the 65% of employers with retiree health care
plans,
providing funds for companies that maintained their prescription drug
coverage for retirees.
The program is supposed to encourage employers to retain prescription
coverage. But companies are entitled to the subsidy regardless of how
much of the cost they pick up themselves. As a result, it does nothing
to
halt the current rush by some employers to shift more cost to retirees.
In
fact, benefits consultants already are designing employer-sponsored
prescription plans to save companies more money by unloading costs on
on their former workers without losing out on the new subsidy.
Best,
Maynard
01/09/2004 4:07:02
John M. Poythress
Message has two purposes..
First, if I go AWOL from time to time in the near future I'm off trying
to lead a cyber-war against the people who bought my old employer and
are now deviously shifting a portion of my ever increasing heath
insurance costs to their own bottom line.
Second, if you are a retiree with health benefits from a major
corporation, the intro to a WSJ article of yesterday is copied below.
You will instantly recognize what for corporate types practicing
deviousness is an irresistible course of action. If you are a retiree
of such a crowd, be prepared for the possibility (even probability) of
what the Wall Street Journal describes precisely on their FRONT PAGE:
Wall Street Journal Page 1 1/8/2004
Federal Drug Subsidy for Retirees
Boosts Bottom Line for Employers
"...When Congress approved prescription-drug benefits..last year, it
granted benefits for the 65% of employers with retiree health care
plans,
providing funds for companies that maintained their prescription drug
coverage for retirees.
The program is supposed to encourage employers to retain prescription
coverage. But companies are entitled to the subsidy regardless of how
much of the cost they pick up themselves. As a result, it does nothing
to
halt the current rush by some employers to shift more cost to retirees.
In
fact, benefits consultants already are designing employer-sponsored
prescription plans to save companies more money by unloading costs on
on their former workers without losing out on the new subsidy.
Best,
Maynard
01/09/2004 4:07:34
RE: Screven Co, GA Census question
John M. Poythress
Barb:
Chuckle-chuckle.....How to find it? One of my cleverest moments. The
landowner (a second cousin) anxious about "should it be published" with
the typical landowner's vision of 3 dozen genealogy freaks showing up at
8 AM the next morning, asked me not to publish "the directions." So
okay, I didn't "publish the directions", I just provided the location
without the directions....at the tail end of the cemetery write up on
the Screven Rootsweb board inconspicuously posted is:
.... so, ain't no directions but if you're looking for it a hundred
years from now and the world ain't blown apart in the interim,
directions are easily plotted off a $2.10 USGS topo. And if topos aren't
around in a hundred years everybody will have GPS on their wrist watches
anyway. But for the foreseeable future a topo will walk you right to
the thing. And should you decide to go (in the dead of "winter" for
gosh sakes) take a shovel. There are likely a dozen graves or more that
Bud and I couldn't dig up. But a spry youngster like Charles wouldn't
have any problem.
LOL, I've turned down over a dozen people pleading for directions and
not a one of them had a clue (or even asked) about those little three
lines.
Since it didn't have a name, I elected to just call it "Scott-Wells
private cemetery" since Mr. Scott was the orginal (as in pre-1793, when
the land was still Burke County) property owner, and it then passed to
the Wells family. The connection between the Welles and the Poythresses
and the Grosses was long and heavy and I suspect that's how John Maner
P. and spouse and son got buried there.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Screven Co, GA Census question
Thanks, Maynard, for the further info. Speaking of that previously
"lost" family
cemetery in Screven Co - Does the cemetery have any name? And how would
one find
it, if driving there? (Just for the record, not that I'm heading out on
a roadtrip;)
Thanks, BPN
1/9/04 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barb:
>
> Eda disappeared on us. In that environment, a female aged 10 was more
> often than not married and out of the household prior to the "next"
> census at which time she would have been 20 and most likely since
> married in 19th century rural South....and maybe "rural" anywhere in
> 19th century. Unfortunately, unless a marriage bond or "poor school"
> record survived we just lose the children, especially the girls when
> they marry. And no one in the boonies seems to have kept any records
to
> speak of during the war and the following reconstruction.
>
> Only in 1996 did Bud and I discover the grave of William Poythress who
> died at age 12. His grave is next to that of father John Maner
> Poythress and mother Rhoda Gross in that previously "lost" cemetery.
He
> was 5 yrs. in 1870, 12 years in 1877 when he died. Other than the
census
> entry which I had puzzled over prior to 1996, I have found no record
> other than the gravestone(nor would I really expect to).
>
> I make it even money William's first name was John. Those folks
didn't
> miss that kind of opportunity.
>
> In Memory
> of
> J. W. Poythress
> Born
> March 21, 1865
> Died
> May 4, 1877 (no other text)
>
> Maynard
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01/09/2004 4:20:01
Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
koswcartist
Randy, Thank you for the definition. It is very enlightning to know exact
method that was used. Very logical system they did. [being married to a
german descent, I see how it was probably prounced "ann-en -table" to our
american ears.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
>
> --- koswcartist wrote:
> > Please define the word ahnetafel. I usually score
> > high on the word
> > definitions but that one escapes me. Patti, a
> > descendent of J S Poythress.
>
> From German, the word ahnentafel means "ancestor
> table". It is a list of ancestors numbered in
> accordance with the system where the first person is
> number 1, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother
> is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc. In this
> system, a person's father's number is always twice the
> person's number and his or her mother's number is
> twice-plus-one. . So-called because it was popularized
> by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book,
> Ahentafel Atlas. The system was first used in a book
> by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.
> Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and
> "tafel" means table or list; because of this literal
> translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used
> to describe any list of ancestors. This discription is
> courtesy of Richard Pence --
> richardpence@pipeline.com.
>
> I have create a dictionary of genealogical and archaic
> terms such as this, which can be found at:
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict.html
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
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01/09/2004 4:26:14
RE: Abt Horace Cullen P
John M. Poythress
As far as I know Horace Cullen Poythress never left Screven County.
Although surely he wouldn't have missed going to Savannah or Augusta at
some point, they were only 40 miles in opposite directions, maybe two or
three days on a mule I suppose. Alternatively, there had to be a
railroad between the two.
Nobody that I know (or have known and Lord knows I've asked)knows where
the name Horace come from. Even my father didn't know but since he was
orphaned at about 8 that's not surprising. I speculate the Cullen came
from his father's next door neighbor Cullen Williamson who witnessed a
couple of documents for or with Horace Cullen's father and apparently
was a friend. If you notice the dates John Maner Poythress never lived
to see his son Horace.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
I'm sharing Patti's response (below) to me with the List, because this
is a clue
that could help all of us in trying to figure how certain Poythress
lines
connect to other lines.
One point of clarification, though: The Poythress who lived in Mobile
was not a
Horace, but was Harold Poythress. Harold was a grandson of James Speed
Poythress. My husband & I met him & his wife Elizabeth, probably five or
so
years ago; he died in 2000 & she died last June. Both of them grew up in
Meridian & they visited there frequently.
So, if it was possibly "Harold" who your Dad met once, rather than
Horace Cullen
P, it probably would've been on one of Harold & Elizabeth's many trips
"back
home" to Meridian.
BPN
1/9/04 Patti wrote:
> There is some connection with James Speed P and Horace Cullen P. He
may
> have MS or AL connections somewhere. I remember my dad [Chris E]
talking
> about meeting Horace Cullen P when he was young...so at the very least
> he visited either Meridian MS or Reform AL with family at some point.
> Wonder if he has connection with the Horace who lived in Mobile at one
> time? I have no documentation on any of them, only oral history which
> may be worth the paper it is printed on....Patti
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01/09/2004 4:54:09
Re: Wall Family CD
I'll send one on Monday. No charge, just keep listening......
Steve Wall
01/09/2004 5:16:36
Re: Georgia Salzburgers
Thanks, and if you want to know or anyone listed in that vol. set let me know
and I'll check it out for you.
Cheers, Bud
01/09/2004 6:04:35
New Acquisition for Library of Virginia
Randy Jones
This may be of interest:
Bible Record --
Raiford-Poythress Family. 9 leaves, photocopies.
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; and Alabama,
Mississippi, and Missouri, 1793-1939. Bible printed in
1833. Includes Bible records (5 leaves) and
transcripts (4 leaves). Other surnames mentioned:
Card, Cook, Dunn, Grace, High, Shephard, Simms, and
White. Gift of Elaine Poythress Criddle, Lakewood,
Colorado. (40915)
-- Randy Jones
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01/09/2004 6:08:38
RE: Screven Co, GA Census question
John M. Poythress
Barb:
Eda disappeared on us. In that environment, a female aged 10 was more
often than not married and out of the household prior to the "next"
census at which time she would have been 20 and most likely since
married in 19th century rural South....and maybe "rural" anywhere in
19th century. Unfortunately, unless a marriage bond or "poor school"
record survived we just lose the children, especially the girls when
they marry. And no one in the boonies seems to have kept any records to
speak of during the war and the following reconstruction.
Only in 1996 did Bud and I discover the grave of William Poythress who
died at age 12. His grave is next to that of father John Maner
Poythress and mother Rhoda Gross in that previously "lost" cemetery. He
was 5 yrs. in 1870, 12 years in 1877 when he died. Other than the census
entry which I had puzzled over prior to 1996, I have found no record
other than the gravestone(nor would I really expect to).
I make it even money William's first name was John. Those folks didn't
miss that kind of opportunity.
In Memory
of
J. W. Poythress
Born
March 21, 1865
Died
May 4, 1877 (no other text)
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:54 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Screven Co, GA Census question
In the 1870 Screven County, Georgia Census, Dwelling 883, page 318,
enumerated
on 30 Aug, lists as head of household (the widow of John Maner
Poythress) Rhody
Poythess, age 40 female; Alice, age 15 female who attends school; Eda,
age 10
female; William, age 7 male; Cullen, age 4 male; and (Rhody's sister)
Ann Gross,
age 36 female. All born in GA.
I understand that "Cullen" age 4 is Horace Cullen Poythress (who later
marries
Flossie O. Wells); and I understand that "Alice" is Cullen's sister,
Alice Helen
Poythress (who later marries Peter A. Reddick).
I thought those were the only two children that John Maner Poythress &
Rhoda/Rhody (nee Gross) had, but perhaps I'm wrong?
Can anyone tell me more about Eda, age 10 female, and William, age 7
male? Were
they children of John Maner Poythress & Rhoda/Rhody (nee Gross)? Did
they make
it to adulthood? Any further info on them?
Thanks for any help.
BPN
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01/09/2004 8:10:10
Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Barbara P. Neal
I'm sharing Patti's response (below) to me with the List, because this is a clue
that could help all of us in trying to figure how certain Poythress lines
connect to other lines.
One point of clarification, though: The Poythress who lived in Mobile was not a
Horace, but was Harold Poythress. Harold was a grandson of James Speed
Poythress. My husband & I met him & his wife Elizabeth, probably five or so
years ago; he died in 2000 & she died last June. Both of them grew up in
Meridian & they visited there frequently.
So, if it was possibly "Harold" who your Dad met once, rather than Horace Cullen
P, it probably would've been on one of Harold & Elizabeth's many trips "back
home" to Meridian.
BPN
1/9/04 Patti wrote:
> There is some connection with James Speed P and Horace Cullen P. He may
> have MS or AL connections somewhere. I remember my dad [Chris E] talking
> about meeting Horace Cullen P when he was young...so at the very least
> he visited either Meridian MS or Reform AL with family at some point.
> Wonder if he has connection with the Horace who lived in Mobile at one
> time? I have no documentation on any of them, only oral history which
> may be worth the paper it is printed on....Patti
01/09/2004 9:16:00
Re: Screven Co, GA Census question
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for the further info. Speaking of that previously "lost" family
cemetery in Screven Co - Does the cemetery have any name? And how would one find
it, if driving there? (Just for the record, not that I'm heading out on a roadtrip;)
Thanks, BPN
1/9/04 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barb:
>
> Eda disappeared on us. In that environment, a female aged 10 was more
> often than not married and out of the household prior to the "next"
> census at which time she would have been 20 and most likely since
> married in 19th century rural South....and maybe "rural" anywhere in
> 19th century. Unfortunately, unless a marriage bond or "poor school"
> record survived we just lose the children, especially the girls when
> they marry. And no one in the boonies seems to have kept any records to
> speak of during the war and the following reconstruction.
>
> Only in 1996 did Bud and I discover the grave of William Poythress who
> died at age 12. His grave is next to that of father John Maner
> Poythress and mother Rhoda Gross in that previously "lost" cemetery. He
> was 5 yrs. in 1870, 12 years in 1877 when he died. Other than the census
> entry which I had puzzled over prior to 1996, I have found no record
> other than the gravestone(nor would I really expect to).
>
> I make it even money William's first name was John. Those folks didn't
> miss that kind of opportunity.
>
> In Memory
> of
> J. W. Poythress
> Born
> March 21, 1865
> Died
> May 4, 1877 (no other text)
>
> Maynard
01/09/2004 9:20:26
Re: New Acquisition for Library of Virginia
Hi Randy. I gave those same Bible pages and transcription to Al Tims and they
are on the Poythress Website. I don't know why the description at the Library
of Virginia mentions Missouri. I have the letter I sent when I donated the
Bible pages and I surely didn't mention Missouri. I will write them a letter and
get that corrected. Thanks for calling it to my attention. I didn't realize
the Bible pages would be made available so quickly. Also for information
purposes, these Bible pages have also been donated to the Lauderdale County Archives
in Meridian, Mississippi and the University of West Alabama/Julia Tutwiler
Library in Livingston, Alabama.
Hope everyone's New Year is starting off wonderfully!
Take care,
Elaine
This may be of interest:
Bible Record --
Raiford-Poythress Family. 9 leaves, photocopies.
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; and Alabama,
Mississippi, and Missouri, 1793-1939. Bible printed in
1833. Includes Bible records (5 leaves) and
transcripts (4 leaves). Other surnames mentioned:
Card, Cook, Dunn, Grace, High, Shephard, Simms, and
White. Gift of Elaine Poythress Criddle, Lakewood,
Colorado. (40915)
-- Randy Jones
01/09/2004 9:33:48
Re: New Acquisition for Library of Virginia
Judy A Scruggs
Thanks Randy,
I believe this is the same copy that Elaine sent to me. It may be on our
web site now, not sure.
Judy Scruggs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: New Acquisition for Library of Virginia
> This may be of interest:
>
> Bible Record --
> Raiford-Poythress Family. 9 leaves, photocopies.
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia; and Alabama,
> Mississippi, and Missouri, 1793-1939. Bible printed in
> 1833. Includes Bible records (5 leaves) and
> transcripts (4 leaves). Other surnames mentioned:
> Card, Cook, Dunn, Grace, High, Shephard, Simms, and
> White. Gift of Elaine Poythress Criddle, Lakewood,
> Colorado. (40915)
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
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01/10/2004 2:41:58
Re: Screven Co, GA Census question
Barbara P. Neal
Ah, well done indeed!
> USGS 7.5' Topo
> Jacksonboro Bridge Quadrangle
> (N32-47-27xW81-35-45)
>
> Since it didn't have a name, I elected to just call it "Scott-Wells
> private cemetery" since Mr. Scott was the orginal (as in pre-1793, when
> the land was still Burke County) property owner, and it then passed to
> the Wells family. The connection between the Welles and the Poythresses
> and the Grosses was long and heavy and I suspect that's how John Maner
> P. and spouse and son got buried there.
> Maynard
01/10/2004 2:54:16
Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Pat
It would be nice to know what the source of "Horace" is.
My father was named Raymond Horace _____ , born 1913, and I have always
assumed that it came from the Poythress line since I know of no other
Horace's in our family. My father's mother was an O'Neal (aka Neal) but her
mother's name was Martha J. Poythress born in Greenville Co, VA in
approximately 1857, married Edward Neal in March 1880 in Greensville Co.
Martha's parents were William and Julia Poythress. I have not yet
determined who William Poythress was related to but suspect he is related to
Lewis Poythress since both lived in Greensville County in early-mid 1800s
and lived close to each other.
My brother is a Jr and goes by the name Horace, often enunciated as one
syllable, Hrace.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: Abt Horace Cullen P
> As far as I know Horace Cullen Poythress never left Screven County.
> Although surely he wouldn't have missed going to Savannah or Augusta at
> some point, they were only 40 miles in opposite directions, maybe two or
> three days on a mule I suppose. Alternatively, there had to be a
> railroad between the two.
>
> Nobody that I know (or have known and Lord knows I've asked)knows where
> the name Horace come from. Even my father didn't know but since he was
> orphaned at about 8 that's not surprising. I speculate the Cullen came
> from his father's next door neighbor Cullen Williamson who witnessed a
> couple of documents for or with Horace Cullen's father and apparently
> was a friend. If you notice the dates John Maner Poythress never lived
> to see his son Horace.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:16 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
>
> I'm sharing Patti's response (below) to me with the List, because this
> is a clue
> that could help all of us in trying to figure how certain Poythress
> lines
> connect to other lines.
>
> One point of clarification, though: The Poythress who lived in Mobile
> was not a
> Horace, but was Harold Poythress. Harold was a grandson of James Speed
> Poythress. My husband & I met him & his wife Elizabeth, probably five or
> so
> years ago; he died in 2000 & she died last June. Both of them grew up in
>
> Meridian & they visited there frequently.
>
> So, if it was possibly "Harold" who your Dad met once, rather than
> Horace Cullen
> P, it probably would've been on one of Harold & Elizabeth's many trips
> "back
> home" to Meridian.
>
> BPN
>
> 1/9/04 Patti wrote:
> > There is some connection with James Speed P and Horace Cullen P. He
> may
> > have MS or AL connections somewhere. I remember my dad [Chris E]
> talking
> > about meeting Horace Cullen P when he was young...so at the very least
>
> > he visited either Meridian MS or Reform AL with family at some point.
> > Wonder if he has connection with the Horace who lived in Mobile at one
>
> > time? I have no documentation on any of them, only oral history which
> > may be worth the paper it is printed on....Patti
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
>
01/10/2004 3:31:34
Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Barbara P. Neal
Again, to try to share intelligence on this possible family connection between
the James Speed Poythress line (who we think is from the Lewis Poythress line) &
that of Maynard's grandfather, Horace Cullen Poythress (who is from the Meredith
Poythress line).
Maynard tells us that Horace Cullen Poythress (1867-1918) "most likely" never
left the far eastern edge of Georgia. (I note, by the way, that Horace Cullen
Poythress also had a son, Horace Cullen Poythress, Jr. (1905-1992), who was an
uncle of Maynard's.
Meanwhile, Patti wrote to assure me that her Dad (1912-1989) had truly talked
about meeting Horace Poythress, and about remembering some things at Reform,
Alabama when he was small (Note that Reform is where HIS father worked for the
railroad; Reform is in far eastern Alabama, only about 15 miles from the
Mississippi state line, between Tuscaloosa, AL and Columbus, MS) before the
family moved back to Meridian, Mississippi, where his elders lived.
Patti pointed out to me that her Dad knew & corresponded regularly with Harold
Poythress, so he would have had no confusion between the name of Horace vs Harold.
So, perhaps Horace (Sr or Jr) & Patti's Dad did meet one another when her Dad
was "young" thanks to the railroad. For all I know, perhaps Horace Jr was also a
railroad employee or otherwise was more likely than his father to have traveled
to eastern AL or to Meridian, MS. Perhaps they just met & noted sharing the same
surname, assuming they must be related -- similar to some of our own
observations among ourselves later in the 1900s & today! That would, of course,
be less of a clue of relatedness than I had originally interpreted from Patti's
original message (that noted there was "some connection" between Horace
Poythress & the James Speed Poythress line, and that "at the very least" Horace
visited with family in either Reform, AL or Meridian, MS).
Always looking for clues in this big Poythress-puzzle of ours,
BPN
01/10/2004 4:27:36
Source for Confederates' genie/biographical info
Barbara P. Neal
I just read about the following resource for biographies in Robert Scott Davis'
1/8/2004 newsletter, "News from Wallace State" Davis is an author who has
published books primarily on Georgia research; he directs the Family & Regional
History Program, at Wallace State College in Hanceville, AL 35077, which is near
Cullman, AL, north of Birmingham. (Anyone interested in his newsletter can email
him at genws@hiwaay.net)
"Here are some other national sources:
Confederates. The Broadfoot Company's reprint of the series Confederate Military
History (1897) includes biographical sketches inserted in the original series
after 1900. The Georgia volume alone has more than 600 genealogical/biographical
sketches."
Has anyone consulted the 1897 Confederate Military History series, either for
Georgia or for any other states, and found any helpful info about any Poythress?
If so, I'm sure we'd all love to hear about it.
BPN
01/10/2004 4:39:20
Greensville Co, VA Poythress /Potis /Portress /Poytress
Barbara P. Neal
For my own clarification, I try to always include the middle initial "Y" for the
Lewis (Lewis Y. Poythress) who we find in the Greensville County, Virginia
Censuses of 1850 and 1860. This way I don't confuse him in my own mind with the
older Lewis Poythress who consistently appears only in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia (who had no middle initial in all the records I've found for him,
including tax records of 1795-1845 and Census records).
I mention this clarification because I was at first confused by Pat's mention
earlier today of "Lewis" in her message about Horace, saying: "I have not yet
determined who William Poythress was related to but suspect he is related to
Lewis Poythress since both lived in Greensville County in early-mid 1800s and
lived close to each other."
I was also initially confused when trying to track down in my info the "William
Poythress" she mentioned as being in Greensville Co, VA around the same time as
Lewis Y. Poythress.
Then I found William (and was interested to see that William & Lewis Y. are
fairly close in ages), with alternate spellings of his surname. In Elaine's
fantastic Census compilation of Poythress folks, he is listed in 1850 as
household 181:
William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18, both born in VA. No
others in the household.
The only other Poythress in Greensville Co, VA 1850 Census listed by Elaine was
indeed that of household 340 as:
L.Y. Poythress, age 37 male Overseer, listing no value for real estate owned;
and Mary Poythress age 43 female. No others in the household.
Then in the 1860 Census, Greensville Co, VA, these two are again the only
families listed by Elaine. As household 309:
Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA
" , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
" , James, age 8, male, born VA
" , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
" , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
" , Jane, age 4, female, born VA
" , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
And Elaine lists as household 312:
Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, overseer, $50 personal est., born VA
, Mary C., age 50. female, born VA
Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, born VA
, Elizabeth, age 15, female, born VA
I have a copy of that Census page from 1860, and both William Potis & Lewis Y.
Poythress are on the same page -- with the different spellings of their
surnames, which perhaps just indicated differences in their pronunciation of it.
(I was curious & looked further at Elaine's listings for 1870, and found Julia
at age 40 as head of household and with the surname spelled yet another way:
Portrass. All of this is a good reminder that spelling was not so exacting back
in the 1800s! By 1880, both Julia -- spelled July A. -- and Mary C. appear
without their husbands and both have the spelling of Poytress and the indication
that neither could read or write.)
Now, back to looking at my photocopy of that 1860 page: I note that in the
middle of the Lewis Y. Poythress household, it goes from one page to the next,
with Nancy Chiles being the last one on the first page. This is strangely
followed by 3 blank lines at the top of the following page, with no people
listed on those lines, and then finally the last name listed for that household
is Elizabeth Chiles.
I also note from the photocopy, that BETWEEN these 2 households, at household
310 is Thomas Chiles, male age 28 born in VA, living alone, whose occupation is
shown as "Attends to Mill"). (Household 311, also between them, is the large
family of a James H. Cook.)
We know from Vogt's book that in Mecklenburg Co, VA, on 20 July 1846, there was
a marriage bond for the marriage of Lewis Y. Poythress and Mary C. Ferguson,
with William A. Dortch as the bondsman.
This middle initial of "C" on both Mary's marriage bond & in the 1860 Census,
with the addition of two household members named Chiles, makes me wonder if
Mary's middle initial might have stood for "Chiles" -- perhaps her mother's
maiden name, but who knows.
BPN
01/10/2004 7:37:44
Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for your upcoming efforts of checking further with H.C. III --
and it wouldn't just be that small town in Alabama, but perhaps more likely, the
much larger town of Meridian, Missippi.
BPN
1/10/2004 John M. Poythress wrote: I will get H. C. III's email from another cousin and I'll ask him about
the likelihood of his Dad being in Alabama for any reason.
01/10/2004 8:27:11
RE: Abt Horace Cullen P
John M. Poythress
Interesting thought, Barbara, that the Horace name might have roots in
Mecklenburg County. Of course, there would be at least 3 intervening
Georgia generations without a "show" so that makes it a bit tenuous but
certainly worth keeping in mind, especially since we have no other clue.
I also think, Barb, that you are on the right track looking at Horace #
2.
Horace Cullen P. # 1 died in 1918 so Patti's dad (b. 1912) couldn't have
met him past his own age 6 and that's not likely to be "remembered."
On the other hand, Horace Cullen P. Jr. I have a decent handle on and he
is
a realistic suspect: b. 4 Mar 1905 so he would have been roughly a
contemporary of Patti's dad. H. C. Jr. moved in 1918 to Macon, GA
after the death of his father, didn't stay long, and wound up in Cayce,
SC (suburb of Columbia)for the remainder of his life. As I recall, he
was in a sales management position of some type for Gulf Oil Co. so he
could have shown up just about any place in the Southeast. One guy
handling diesel fuel and the other guy working for a railroad is
certainly a realistic way for them to bump into each other.
I will get H. C. III's email from another cousin and I'll ask him about
the likelihood of his Dad being in Alabama for any reason. I'll also
give him the RR connection described by Patti.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:28 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Again, to try to share intelligence on this possible family connection
between
the James Speed Poythress line (who we think is from the Lewis Poythress
line) &
that of Maynard's grandfather, Horace Cullen Poythress (who is from the
Meredith
Poythress line).
Maynard tells us that Horace Cullen Poythress (1867-1918) "most likely"
never
left the far eastern edge of Georgia. (I note, by the way, that Horace
Cullen
Poythress also had a son, Horace Cullen Poythress, Jr. (1905-1992), who
was an
uncle of Maynard's.
Meanwhile, Patti wrote to assure me that her Dad (1912-1989) had truly
talked
about meeting Horace Poythress, and about remembering some things at
Reform,
Alabama when he was small (Note that Reform is where HIS father worked
for the
railroad; Reform is in far eastern Alabama, only about 15 miles from the
Mississippi state line, between Tuscaloosa, AL and Columbus, MS) before
the
family moved back to Meridian, Mississippi, where his elders lived.
Patti pointed out to me that her Dad knew & corresponded regularly with
Harold
Poythress, so he would have had no confusion between the name of Horace
vs Harold.
So, perhaps Horace (Sr or Jr) & Patti's Dad did meet one another when
her Dad
was "young" thanks to the railroad. For all I know, perhaps Horace Jr
was also a
railroad employee or otherwise was more likely than his father to have
traveled
to eastern AL or to Meridian, MS. Perhaps they just met & noted sharing
the same
surname, assuming they must be related -- similar to some of our own
observations among ourselves later in the 1900s & today! That would, of
course,
be less of a clue of relatedness than I had originally interpreted from
Patti's
original message (that noted there was "some connection" between Horace
Poythress & the James Speed Poythress line, and that "at the very least"
Horace
visited with family in either Reform, AL or Meridian, MS).
Always looking for clues in this big Poythress-puzzle of ours,
BPN
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01/10/2004 8:41:04
Greensville Co, VA Poythress /Potis /Portress
Barbara P. Neal
I am sending the below message to the List a 2nd time, because for some reason
it did not appear to make it thru to the List when I first sent it about 5 hours
ago, though other messages that I later sent to the List, did make it thru both
to me and to the List Archives.
BPN
= = =
For my own clarification, I try to always include the middle initial "Y" for the
Lewis (Lewis Y. Poythress) who we find in the Greensville County, Virginia
Censuses of 1850 and 1860. This way I don't confuse him in my own mind with the
older Lewis Poythress who consistently appears only in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia (who had no middle initial in all the records I've found for him,
including tax records of 1795-1845 and Census records).
I mention this clarification because I was at first confused by Pat's mention
earlier today of "Lewis" in her message about Horace, saying: "I have not yet
determined who William Poythress was related to but suspect he is related to
Lewis Poythress since both lived in Greensville County in early-mid 1800s and
lived close to each other."
I was also initially confused when trying to track down in my info the "William
Poythress" she mentioned as being in Greensville Co, VA around the same time as
Lewis Y. Poythress.
Then I found William (and was interested to see that William & Lewis Y. are
fairly close in ages), with alternate spellings of his surname. In Elaine's
fantastic Census compilation of Poythress folks, he is listed in 1850 as
household 181:
William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18, both born in VA. No
others in the household.
The only other Poythress in Greensville Co, VA 1850 Census listed by Elaine was
indeed that of household 340 as:
L.Y. Poythress, age 37 male Overseer, listing no value for real estate owned;
and Mary Poythress age 43 female. No others in the household.
Then in the 1860 Census, Greensville Co, VA, these two are again the only
families listed by Elaine. As household 309:
Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA
" , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
" , James, age 8, male, born VA
" , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
" , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
" , Jane, age 4, female, born VA
" , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
And Elaine lists as household 312:
Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, overseer, $50 personal est., born VA
" , Mary C., age 50. female, born VA
Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, born VA
" , Elizabeth, age 15, female, born VA
I have a copy of that Census page from 1860, and both William Potis & Lewis Y.
Poythress are on the same page -- with the different spellings of their
surnames, which perhaps just indicated differences in their pronunciation of it.
(I was curious & looked further at Elaine's listings for 1870, and found Julia
at age 40 as head of household and with the surname spelled yet another way:
Portrass. All of this is a good reminder that spelling was not so exacting back
in the 1800s! By 1880, both Julia -- spelled July A. -- and Mary C. appear
without their husbands and both have the spelling of Poytress and the indication
that neither could read or write.)
Now, back to looking at my photocopy of that 1860 page: I note that in the
middle of the Lewis Y. Poythress household, it goes from one page to the next,
with Nancy Chiles being the last one on the first page. This is strangely
followed by 3 blank lines at the top of the following page, with no people
listed on those lines, and then finally the last name listed for that household
is Elizabeth Chiles.
I also note from the photocopy, that BETWEEN these 2 households, at household
310 is Thomas Chiles, male age 28 born in VA, living alone, whose occupation is
shown as "Attends to Mill"). (Household 311, also between them, is the large
family of a James H. Cook.)
We know from Vogt's book that in Mecklenburg Co, VA, on 20 July 1846, there was
a marriage bond for the marriage of Lewis Y. Poythress and Mary C. Ferguson,
with William A. Dortch as the bondsman.
This middle initial of "C" on both Mary's marriage bond & in the 1860 Census,
with the addition of two household members named Chiles, makes me wonder if
Mary's middle initial might have stood for "Chiles" -- perhaps her mother's
maiden name, but who knows.
BPN
01/10/2004 12:03:22
Re: PML Search Result matching Chiles
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Linda Dickinson -
I am curious regarding your interest in the Chiles surname, which interest I
became aware of due to the (below-copied) automated response that I got from
your spam-blocker service less than 5 hours ago, immediately after sending out
my email message that included the name "Chiles" in it. Since I did follow thru
and authenticate as requested in your automated response, I trust you indeed
received my message which had NOT been sent directly to you, but which instead I
had sent (less than 5 hours ago) only directly to the Poythress-List, a RootsWeb
email list for those of us interested in Poythress research.
While I realize it is possible that you are a quiet member of the
Poythress-List, it seems more likely to me (from the subject heading on the
message I received from your spam-blocker service) that you are just using some
robot/spider that automatically searches for & retrieves messages that include
the surname "Chiles" in them. That same subject heading is shown above, in this
message.
At any rate, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you, and I'm curious to know
whether you know of any connection between a Chiles and a Poythress such as the
possible one that I mentioned in my original message earlier this afternoon.
Thanks & good luck in your research.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or "BPN" for short, as I had signed my earlier message
to the Poythress-List)
bp_neal@earthlink.net
1/10/2004 2:39pm Pacific Time, Linda Dickinson
wrote:
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01/10/2004 12:24:52
Meredith Poythress, Sr's family
Barbara P. Neal
Meredith Poythress, Sr. is said to be the progenitor of several members of our
List. Unfortunately much of his life was lived before the Censuses began listing
names of all the people in the household.
For Meredith Poythress Sr & for ALL of his wives and children, I sure would like
some help, please, in nailing down:
(1) their full names &
(2) any dates of their lives,
(3) WITH clarification of what record(s) OTHER than census records give us those
names/dates.
Wills? Tax records (for where & when)? Family Bibles? Marriage
Bonds/licenses/returns? Cemetery markers saying something as delightfully clear
as "Son of Meredith Poythress & whosit"?
I only know off the top of my head of one record that lists (some? all?) of
Meredith's children (See below). I'd like to know where this record exists & how
one gets to look at it or a photo of it -- At the Georgia Archives? On
microfilm? If so, what microfilm & where?
What I know of this record comes from what Maynard has previously described as:
"a piece of serendipitous and contemporaneous evidence. In 1794 a Burke
County record book with remaining blank pages was sold to one Harry Wilder who
then records daily business transactions in it. Later, son Isaac Wilder inherits
the book and uses it for more varied purposes, one of which is to record the
births of various Wilder family members. Listed are the names and birthdates of
Hester Wilder Mock's children by Meredith Poythress, Sr.:
- George Washington Poythress, b. 13 Jan 1819
- John White Poythress, b. 13 Jan 1821
- Henrietta Poythress, b. 7 Dec 1823
- Sarah Edwards Poythress, b. 14 Nov 1826
- Issac Edmond Poythress, b. 28 May 1828, d. 29 Jun 1862"
Any help that any of you can give me on this, regarding ANY member(s) of his
family, would be greatly appreciated.
Barbara (BPN)
01/11/2004 6:42:47
RE: Abt Horace Cullen P
Poythress, Lynn
Hi all,
Just to butt in here about the name Horace. I've always wondered if the
Horace Cullen line could have been related to our (my husband's) line.
My husband's first name is Horace and so was his dad's. Also his
great-grandfather (born in 1867 in Northampton, NC) was named Horace
(Horace Fredrick Poythress).
I thought the name Horace (pronounced horse in my husband's family) was
unique enough to make some kind of connection somewhere - but that's as
far as my father-in-law got.
Don't know if that just confuses the issue, but I thought it was
interesting about the name Horace.
Lynn Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
I'm sharing Patti's response (below) to me with the List, because this
is a clue
that could help all of us in trying to figure how certain Poythress
lines
connect to other lines.
One point of clarification, though: The Poythress who lived in Mobile
was not a
Horace, but was Harold Poythress. Harold was a grandson of James Speed
Poythress. My husband & I met him & his wife Elizabeth, probably five or
so
years ago; he died in 2000 & she died last June. Both of them grew up in
Meridian & they visited there frequently.
So, if it was possibly "Harold" who your Dad met once, rather than
Horace Cullen
P, it probably would've been on one of Harold & Elizabeth's many trips
"back
home" to Meridian.
BPN
1/9/04 Patti wrote:
> There is some connection with James Speed P and Horace Cullen P. He
may
> have MS or AL connections somewhere. I remember my dad [Chris E]
talking
> about meeting Horace Cullen P when he was young...so at the very least
> he visited either Meridian MS or Reform AL with family at some point.
> Wonder if he has connection with the Horace who lived in Mobile at one
> time? I have no documentation on any of them, only oral history which
> may be worth the paper it is printed on....Patti
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01/12/2004 1:07:32
1831 Deed Granville Co, NC
Barbara P. Neal
I received today from Sarah a photocopy of a Deed that is filed at Oxford,
Granville County, North Carolina, in Deed Book 5, page 242. [Following is my
transcription of it, with the varying spellings of names as shown in the
document. If anyone who has access to this document can read any word of it more
clearly than my below interpretation, I'd welcome hearing from you. Square
brackets are mine; the parentheses appear in the original.
Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 12 January 2004]
John Hunt to L. H. Portress: This Indenture made this 16th day of November in
the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred thirty one between John Hunt Jr.
of the one part and Littleberry H. Poytress of the other part, all of the County
of Granville and state of North Carolina. Witnesseth that the said John Hunt Jr.
for and in consideration of the sum of four hundred and eighty dollars to him in
hand paid by the said Littleberry H. Poytress before the sealing of these
presents the receipt which is hereby acknowledged, he the said John Hunt Jr.
hath granted, bargained & sold and by these presents doth grant, bargain and
sell unto the said Littleberry H. Poytress his heirs, executors, administrators,
& assigns a certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the County of
Granville on the waters of Benetts Creek adjoining the lands of James Hunt, &
the heirs of Benja. Hester & others, this being the tract on which I now reside
bounded as follows viz: Beginning at a blackjack (Hills Corner) running thence
east 180 poles to a white oak (Russell's Corner in Williams line), thence by his
line north 142 1/4 poles to a white oak bush in Lewis' line, thence west 180
poles to a black oak in Hills' line, thence by Hill's line south to the
beginning, containing one hundred and sixty acres be the same more or less --
with all the appurtenances, priviledges and commodities to the same belonging or
anywise appertaining, and the rents, issues and profits of the said premises and
any tract and parcel thereof and all the estate right, title, interest,
claime and demand whatsoever of him the said Jno Hunt Grant of, in & to the said
land and premises and every part thereof, To have and to hold the said land &
all and singular others the premises above mentioned and every part & parcel
thereof with the appurtenances, unto the said Littleberry H. Poytress, his
heirs, assigns forever. And the said Jno Hunt Jr for himself and his heirs, the
said land and premises and every part thereof against him and his heirs and
against all and every person and persons whatever to the said Littleberry H.
Poytress, heirs and assigns shall and will warrant and forever defend by these
presents. In witness whereof the said John Hunt Junr shall hereunto set his hand
and seal the day and year above written -
Signed sealed and delivered - John Hunt, Jr. (seal)
in the presence of
James Cooper - Bartlett Andrews
State of North Carolina
Granville County - February Court 1832
The execution of the foregoing deed read and acknowledged in open
court [by] John Hunt, and ordered to be registered.
Witness [illeg first name- possibly Itess] K. Sneed, Clerk
Truly Registered
F. Wiggins, P.R.
01/12/2004 2:22:41
1751 Deed Granville Co, NC
Barbara P. Neal
I received today from Sarah a photocopy of a Deed that is filed at Oxford,
Granville County, North Carolina, in Deed Book B, pages 312-313, per her
notations at the bottom margin, where she also wrote the date as being May 29,
1751. [Following is my transcription of it, with the varying spellings as shown
in the document. If anyone who has access to this document can read any word of
it more clearly than my below interpretation, I'd welcome hearing from you.
Square brackets are mine.
Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 12 January 2004]
Hawkins to Poythress
[First line is not fully photocopied, but tt seems to read: This indenture made
this twenty-ninth day of May in the]
year of our Lord Christ one thousand seven hundred and fiftyone Between John
Hawkins of North Carolina of the one part and Charles Poythress of Virginia of
the other part Witnesseth there for and in consideration of the sum of Thirty
Six pounds [illeg] of Virginia in hand paid to John Sellers [or possibly Kellso]
Jr. and Robert Gee, the Receipt hereof he the said Hawkins do hereby
acknowledge, hath given, granted, bargained and sold, aliened and confirmed, and
by these presents do give, grant, bargain and sell, alien and confirm unto the
aforesaid Charles Poythress, his heirs and Assigns forever all that Tract or
Parcel land lying and being in the Province of North Carolina and in the County
of Granville lying and being on both sides of Hawkins Creek Containing six
hundred and forty acres be the same more or less and bounded as followeth, to
wit, Beginning at the Sellers [or possible Kellso] A. on the West side of the
said Creek thence Running South 140 Poles to a Hickory at B. thence East 230
Poles to a Pine at C. thence North 440 Poles to White Oak at D. in the line
of the aforesaid Hawkins thence by his line West to the Beginning To have and to
hold the said Tract or Parcel of Land and all and singular the said Premises
abovementioned and all said every Part and parcel thereof with the appurtenances
thereto belonging unto the aforesaid Charles Poythress, his heirs and Assigns to
the only Proper Use and behalf[?] of him the sd. Poythress, his heirs and
Assigns forever and the said John Hawkins for himself and his heirs the said
Tract or Parcel of Land and Premises and every Part thereof against himself and
his heirs and against all and every other Person and Persons whatsoever to the
said Charles Poythress his heirs and Assigns shall and will Warrant and forever
Defend by these presents. In Witness whereof the said John Hawkins hath hereunto
set his hand and affixed his seal the Day and Year above written.
Signed, sealed and Delivd. John Hawkins (L.S.)
In Presence of
Dass[or Daff?] Weldon ~~~ Memorandum that a full and [illeg - P?????]
Descripcion [or Possession?] and version of the within Mentioned Land was
delivered{?} in the within Deed [illeg - possibly "was taken"?]
[BPN Note: it appears that a few words would probably have continued on p.313,
of which no photocopy was received today]
01/12/2004 2:38:22
Re: Abt Horace Cullen P
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks for your input, Lynn. It certainly sounds like a possibility that both
the Horace Cullen P line (from one of Meredith's descendants) & your husband's
Horace Fredrick P line (from unknown father & ancestors?) could have been
related another generation or so back, for both lines to have chosen the name
Horace for passing down.
Thanks,
BPN
1/12/2004 Poythress, Lynn wrote: I've always wondered if the
> Horace Cullen line could have been related to our (my husband's) line.
> My husband's first name is Horace and so was his dad's. Also his
> great-grandfather (born in 1867 in Northampton, NC) was named Horace
> (Horace Fredrick Poythress).
01/12/2004 2:51:09
Re: Greensville Co, VA Poythress /Potis /Portress /Poytress
Pat
I just want to emphasize that it is the Census takers that are misspelling the name for the
William Poythress mentioned below. There has been some discussion on this list before about how some of the Poythresses had different spellings because they were unaccepted within the family for some reason. The marriage certificates of his son Joseph in October 1873 and his daughter, Martha, in March 1880 in Greensville Co, VA does have the name spelled as Poythress.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: Greensville Co, VA Poythress /Potis /Portress /Poytress
> For my own clarification, I try to always include the middle initial "Y" for the
> Lewis (Lewis Y. Poythress) who we find in the Greensville County, Virginia
> Censuses of 1850 and 1860. This way I don't confuse him in my own mind with the
> older Lewis Poythress who consistently appears only in Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia (who had no middle initial in all the records I've found for him,
> including tax records of 1795-1845 and Census records).
>
> I mention this clarification because I was at first confused by Pat's mention
> earlier today of "Lewis" in her message about Horace, saying: "I have not yet
> determined who William Poythress was related to but suspect he is related to
> Lewis Poythress since both lived in Greensville County in early-mid 1800s and
> lived close to each other."
>
> I was also initially confused when trying to track down in my info the "William
> Poythress" she mentioned as being in Greensville Co, VA around the same time as
> Lewis Y. Poythress.
>
> Then I found William (and was interested to see that William & Lewis Y. are
> fairly close in ages), with alternate spellings of his surname. In Elaine's
> fantastic Census compilation of Poythress folks, he is listed in 1850 as
> household 181:
> William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18, both born in VA. No
> others in the household.
>
> The only other Poythress in Greensville Co, VA 1850 Census listed by Elaine was
> indeed that of household 340 as:
> L.Y. Poythress, age 37 male Overseer, listing no value for real estate owned;
> and Mary Poythress age 43 female. No others in the household.
>
> Then in the 1860 Census, Greensville Co, VA, these two are again the only
> families listed by Elaine. As household 309:
> Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA
> " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
> " , James, age 8, male, born VA
> " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
> " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
> " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA
> " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
> Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
>
> And Elaine lists as household 312:
> Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, overseer, $50 personal est., born VA
> , Mary C., age 50. female, born VA
> Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, born VA
> , Elizabeth, age 15, female, born VA
>
> I have a copy of that Census page from 1860, and both William Potis & Lewis Y.
> Poythress are on the same page -- with the different spellings of their
> surnames, which perhaps just indicated differences in their pronunciation of it.
> (I was curious & looked further at Elaine's listings for 1870, and found Julia
> at age 40 as head of household and with the surname spelled yet another way:
> Portrass. All of this is a good reminder that spelling was not so exacting back
> in the 1800s! By 1880, both Julia -- spelled July A. -- and Mary C. appear
> without their husbands and both have the spelling of Poytress and the indication
> that neither could read or write.)
>
> Now, back to looking at my photocopy of that 1860 page: I note that in the
> middle of the Lewis Y. Poythress household, it goes from one page to the next,
> with Nancy Chiles being the last one on the first page. This is strangely
> followed by 3 blank lines at the top of the following page, with no people
> listed on those lines, and then finally the last name listed for that household
> is Elizabeth Chiles.
>
> I also note from the photocopy, that BETWEEN these 2 households, at household
> 310 is Thomas Chiles, male age 28 born in VA, living alone, whose occupation is
> shown as "Attends to Mill"). (Household 311, also between them, is the large
> family of a James H. Cook.)
>
> We know from Vogt's book that in Mecklenburg Co, VA, on 20 July 1846, there was
> a marriage bond for the marriage of Lewis Y. Poythress and Mary C. Ferguson,
> with William A. Dortch as the bondsman.
>
> This middle initial of "C" on both Mary's marriage bond & in the 1860 Census,
> with the addition of two household members named Chiles, makes me wonder if
> Mary's middle initial might have stood for "Chiles" -- perhaps her mother's
> maiden name, but who knows.
>
> BPN
>
>
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Perhaps this article will be useful. After I read it I changed my approach to
research with immediate successful results and it may help others,too. I
wish someone had told me about it. Instead, I came across it by chance. It's an
excellent piece called "Spelling Doesn't Count" by Donna Przecha (may her
tribe increase!) Thank you, Donna.
Good luck, cuzzins, in your "gen-sleuthing"!
Cuzzin Andie Harris in Kailua Hawai'i
aka Marian Alice Andrea Harris
01/13/2004 4:55:45
Interesting Links
John M. Poythress
The below is from Eastman's free genealogy column of today. I found the
links quite interesting and informative. Even the New York Times link
is interesting although as one of the nation's premier "Race Deniers"
everything in the NYT should be read critically.
MP
- Surprises in the Family Tree
Most free African-American and biracial families resulted not from a
master and his slave, like Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings, but from
a white woman and an African man: slave, freed slave or indentured
servant. At least, that's the conclusion of Paul Heinegg in his
newly-published "Free African Americans of North Carolina, South
Carolina and Virginia" and "Free African Americans of Maryland and
Delaware."
In describing Heinegg's book, Dr. Ira B. Berlin, a professor of American
history at the University of Maryland and the founding director of the
Freedmen and Southern Society Project there, stated, "If any branch of
your family has been in America since the 17th or 18th centuries, it's
highly likely you will find an African and an American Indian."
You can read more about this fascinating story in the New York Times
45adc23cc09b456&ei=5062> . In addition, you can read about Paul
Heinegg's books at http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/. That site
includes a lot of information about free Africans in the United States
as well as many pictures.
NOTE:
And BTW, the Jefferson/Hemings thing is phoney as any serious and
critical genealogy hobbyist will likely conclude. See below article.
No further substantive scholarship has been done since this editorial
despite the fact that some young Hemmings man is out hawking a book full
of this stuff.
The Truth About Jefferson
By Robert F. Turner
07/03/2001
The Wall Street Journal
Five months ago, a Gallup poll asked Americans to identify the "greatest
U.S. president." Thomas Jefferson received just 1% of the vote -- about
one-tenth the percentage who answered "Bill Clinton" and one-fourth the
response for Jimmy Carter.
It was not always thus. Jefferson was long celebrated as one of the
greatest men in history, but since the world was told he fathered
children by one of his slaves his stock has dropped sharply. The saddest
thing of all is that he's probably getting a bum rap. As tomorrow marks
the 225th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence and the 175th
anniversary of the death of Thomas Jefferson , its principal author, it
seems a fitting time to set the record straight.
Jefferson's damaged reputation may have less to do with Sally Hemings
than with a cultural struggle taking place in contemporary academia, as
well as a bit of bad timing. As Joseph Ellis -- historian, Pulitzer
Prize winner and the point man among senior scholars in the assault on
Jefferson -- explained last year in the William & Mary Quarterly,
Jefferson is "the dead-white-male who matters most," and the "most
valued trophy in the cultural wars."
Prof. Ellis, readers may recall, made the papers again last month when
the Boston Globe disclosed that for years he has lied to his students
about serving in Vietnam. In fact, as he now admits, Prof. Ellis's
military service was spent teaching history at West Point.
As recently as 1996, Prof. Ellis had concluded in his Jefferson
biography, "American Sphinx," that the likelihood of a Jefferson
-Hemings sexual relationship was "remote" and based upon "flimsy and
wholly circumstantial" evidence. This is essentially the same conclusion
reached by other leading Jefferson scholars since the allegation was
first published in 1802. Prof. Ellis reversed his position in late 1998,
with the release of DNA evidence that Nature magazine wrongly alleged
proved Thomas Jefferson fathered at least one of Sally Hemings's
children.
Here is where the unfortunate timing may have played a role. The new
"evidence" was rushed to press in the middle of the congressional
impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. Prof. Ellis actively opposed the
impeachment effort, and he repeatedly used his new position to draw
parallels in defense of Mr. Clinton.
In fact, the DNA evidence merely showed that Sally Hemings's youngest
son, Eston, was likely fathered by one of more than two dozen Jefferson
males in Virginia at the time. Eugene Foster, who organized the tests,
acknowledged that the results did not point to the then-64-year-old
Thomas Jefferson any more than to his much younger brother, Randolph, or
for that matter any of Randolph's five sons.
Indeed, the less cerebral Randolph would seem to be a far more likely
candidate for Eston's paternity than the aging president. Randolph is
documented by a 19th-century slave account to have spent his evenings at
Monticello playing his fiddle among the slaves and "dancing half the
night," and there is evidence he fathered children by his own slaves. We
know that Randolph, who lived only 20 miles away, was invited to
Monticello only days before Sally Hemings likely conceived Eston.
Furthermore, the oral history passed down for generations by Eston's
descendants claimed he wasn't Thomas Jefferson's child but the son of
"an uncle." Jefferson's paternal uncles died decades before Eston was
conceived, but the president's brother was widely known at Monticello as
"Uncle Randolph" because of his relationship to the president's
daughters.
Finally, all of Sally Hemings's known children seem to have been born
between the death of Randolph's first wife and his remarriage at about
the time Eston was born. About the same time as this remarriage, Thomas
completed his second term and returned to live full time at Monticello;
the 34-year-old Sally conceived no more known children.
Three months ago, a distinguished group of more than a dozen senior
scholars concluded a year-long investigation of the Jefferson-Hemings
issue with a 550-page report. The diverse group included highly
respected scholars and other historians. Forrest McDonald -- a history
professor at the University of Alabama, the author of "The Presidency of
Thomas Jefferson ," and one of several scholars in the group who were
admitted critics of Jefferson -- said that for nearly four decades he
had believed Jefferson to be the father of Hemings's children. But after
careful analysis of the evidence, he reversed his position, concluding
"Thomas Jefferson was simply not guilty of the charge."
With but a single mild dissent, the scholars' conclusions ranged from
"strong skepticism" about the allegation to a conviction that the charge
was "almost certainly false." They demonstrated that most of the
"evidence" cited to establish the relationship was either factually
false (such as the charge that Jefferson freed all of Sally Hemings's
children when they turned 21) or was explained on other grounds. For
example, Sally and her children did receive "special treatment" at
Monticello, but no more so than the many other descendants of Sally's
mother, Betty Hemings. All but two of Betty Hemings's sons and grandsons
living at Monticello when Jefferson died were freed in his will, and
Sally's two sons received by far the least favorable treatment.
Sally Hemings was eventually freed by Jefferson's daughter and lived for
several years in Charlottesville, Va. Yet there is no surviving account
that she, or any of her children, ever said that she had been sexually
involved with Thomas Jefferson until nearly 50 years after Jefferson 's
death, when an aged Madison Hemings was alleged by an anti- Jefferson
newspaper editor in Ohio to have made the claim. Most of the relevant
facts attributed to Madison Hemings occurred long before his birth.
Meanwhile, several of his factual allegations -- such as that Dolley
Madison was present at his birth -- can be established as false by
available records.
In contrast, evidence on the other side includes the eye-witness
testimony of Jefferson's highly respected overseer, Edmund Bacon, who
noted that he had frequently seen a man other than Thomas Jefferson
leaving Sally Hemings's room early in the morning when he arrived for
work.
The scholars commission also disclosed that a key letter from
Jefferson's granddaughter, used by revisionist historians to tie to
Sally Hemings, was altered in transcription, with 13 words in a key
sentence changed to reverse its clear original meaning. The
transcription was included in the appendix of Annette Gordon-Reed's
highly acclaimed book, "Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings," which also
suggested that the reason earlier generations of Jefferson scholars
failed to give proper weight to Madison Hemings's alleged "memoirs" was
because the historians were white and Madison was black.
In rejecting this conclusion, five of the scholars wrote that "the
tendency of many people to embellish their own histories transcends
racial lines." They noted: "Indeed, the sad reality is that people of
all colors and races occasionally find it desirable to falsify their
background. This fact was recently brought into focus brilliantly in the
book `Stolen Valor,' which discusses hundreds of cases in which American
men falsified claims involving alleged military service in Vietnam." The
tragic revelations about Prof. Ellis merely emphasize the point.
---
Mr. Turner, the associate director of the Center for National Security
Law at the University of Virginia, chaired the Jefferson -Hemings
Scholars Commission, whose report can be found online at
www.mindspring.com/tjshcommission.
01/13/2004 5:13:18
Carol Morrison
John M. Poythress
Anybody have Carol's email address? I need to ask her a Morrison
question. Last adds I have is camorrison@ibm.net.
Thanks,
Maynard
01/13/2004 6:09:38
Re: Carol Morrison
Carol A. Morrison
Maynard,
Try: carolamorrison@earthlink.net
or camorrison@aol.com
Carol
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01/13/2004 6:44:02
RE: Genealogy nightmare: The Poythress Chronicles
JLP
Mike: I, for one, can empathize! Particularly with the bottle of
aspirin part.
The situation is a nightmare (I know, I've "been there"), and it
certainly does not help that our early Poythress family was centered
in an area where so many of the records have been destroyed. It's a
frustrating prospect, but because of the loss of records, we may never
be able to untangle the riddles. But I sure encourage Mike and anyone
else who has the courage to try; Mike's proposed approach is certainly
the one I'd take for starters.
But, shoot, I'm still hoping that someday I'll be able to prove that I
am a Poythress descendant.
Lou Poole
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From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:46 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Genealogy nightmare: The Poythress Chronicles
January 14, 2004, Virginia Beach, VA.
I am Mike Tutor. I am one of those that read all of the e-mails to the
site but never say a thing. However, after looking closely at the
Poythress information that is available on the internet and in the
library, I find myself wondering if there is any "safe ground" when
researching the family. I am a descendant of Richard and Rebecca Pace.
The saga begins here for me. I began to gather all of the information
that I could about these two and their families, friends, events,
locations, etc. It seems that there are at least two disparate
conclusions that have been drawn from these two people.
After gathering all of the information that I could find, I realized
that there seems to be no serious dates set for family members and any
events involving their lives, except for the "notorious abstracts"
that everyone quotes. And, if that was not enough, we encounter the
juniors, the seniors, the elders and the sons-in-law. I realized that
I had to try to place some dates upon people and arrange some family
groupings to be able to identify the family and its relatives and
friends. At this point, I started using all of the Poythress material
that is available on the Poythress website, the internet and the
library. I placed all of the material that I could find in
chronological order. This brought even greater problems.
For the most part, most people accept Captain Francis Poythress(1) as
the immigrant, and that he arrived on this continent at least by 1632,
and that he was born in 1609 and died about 1650. Secondly, we mostly
agree that Major Francis Poythress(2) was one of his sons and that
Major Poythress(2) was born somewhere around 1635, give or take a few
years, and that he died about 1688. Major Francis Poythress(2) seems
to have had brothers, John(2) and Thomas(2), and possibly a
"half-sister," Jane(2)......Now, the fun begins again.
Major Francis Poythress(2) may have been the oldest son and it is
recorded that he left a will behind. That will has not been found. He
had a son, Francis Poythress(3), that was born about 1678 in Charles
City County and was alive after 1738. Major Francis Poythress'(2) son,
John Poythress(3), named a son, Francis Poythress(4) also. This
Francis Poythress(4) was born about 1707 and died about 1729,
according to Batte. This Francis Poythress(4) supposedly married
Hannah Ravenscroft, who died about 1765, and they named a child,
Elizabeth Poythress(5). Elizabeth was born February 11, 1730/31.
Hannah Ravenscroft married again after her husband's death.
Major Francis Poythress'(2) brother, John Poythress(2), had a son that
he named Francis Poythress(3) also. It seems that John Poythress(2)
may have been married more than once. His second wife was Christian
Peebles. Their son Francis Poythress(3) could be a son of either
marriage. John Poythress(2) received a gift of land from Edward Hill
in 1661 which might give some indication that some of John's children
may be older than his brother's children. This is where "junior,"
"senior," and "the elder" comes into play. Some say that this
Francis(3) was John Poythress'(2) second oldest son. Some say that he
was born in the early 1690s. His wife may have been Hannah Worsham,
born about 1700, and died before 1729. They had a son, Francis
Poythress(4) that was born before 1729. Francis Poythress(4)
supposedly married Mary Peterson, and they supposedly had two
children, Francis Poythress(5) and Mary Peterson Poythress. Francis
Poythress(5) supposedly died in 1796 and his will is avail! able. Mary
Peterson Poythress was born about 1763 and died about 1841. There is a
possibly a problem with Mary Peterson Poythress being Francis
Poythress'(5) sister as he mentions a daughter, Mary Peterson
Poythress, in his will of 1796. This line of Francis Poythresses
should die out according to Batte. I would think that in this line of
Francis Poythresses the "preacher" will be found.
If you have not given up by now, I have more fun for you. John
Poythress(2) was the father of a John Poythress(3). However, John(2)
did leave a will that is available (1712). He names his children. Not
much information is available on this John Poythress(2) so it may be
safe to think that he was younger than his brother, Major Francis
Poythress(2).....primogeniture, etc.....Now, we are in for the
"junior," "senior," "captain" problems again. Major Francis
Poythress(2) had a son named John Poythress(3) also. While John
Poythress(2) was living, it seems that he was called John Poythress,
Sr. When he died, it seems that his son was sometimes called John
Poythress, Sr., and the first cousin was called John Poythress, Jr.
Both of the cousins have been referred to as "Captain" in deed
abstracts. One of these third generation John Poythresses seems to
have been an attorney and/or a sheriff. By primogeniture, it would
seem that John Poythress'(2) son, John(3), would be the attorney ! as
he seems to have been the first born in John's(2) family, whereas,
John(3), son of Francis(2), was not the oldest son in his family. When
it comes to analyzing deeds, etc., it is very hard to determine which
John Poythress is involved. Both of them are married to women named
Mary. John Poythress(3), son of Francis Poythress(2), left a will that
is available (1724), which named his children. From what I have
gathered, it seems that the will of 1712 is acknowledged as John
Poythress'(2) will, and that the will of 1724 is acknowledged as John
Poythress'(3) [son of Francis(2)] will. I have not seen a will
displayed for John Poythress(3), son of John Poythress(2). I have been
using a birth date of 1639 and a date of death of 1712 for John
Poythress(2). His son, John Poythress(3) may have been born as early
as the 1660s or may be a son of Christian Peebles, which would give
him a birth closer to about 1676. John Poythress(3), son of
Francis(2), was born about 1684 and died in 1! 724. His son, John
Poythress(4), was probably born about 1703.
My final question for now has to do with the two Thomas Poythresses.
Remember that Batte said that the Poythress name became extinct in the
John Poythress'(2) line. John Poythress(3), son of John Poythress(2),
married Mary Batte. They had a son, Thomas Poythress(4), that was born
about 1690. Major Francis Poythress(2) had a son named Thomas
Poythress(3) also. This Thomas(3) was born about 1682 and died about
1750. He supposedly was involved in the will of his cousin, Joshua
Poythress, in 1739. In addition to this, the son of Joshua Poythress,
by the name of Joshua Poythress, was involved in the will of this
Thomas Poythress(3) upon his death. I have not seen evidence of this
will to date. Thomas Poythress(4) married Elizabeth Pleasants Cocke
and they had a son that they named John Poythress(5).
Now that I have covered these subjects, I would like to see if anyone
can lay out deeds, wills, occupations, marriages, children, etc., in
chronological order so that we may be able to build upon some firm
foundation. Can the different Francis Poythresses be identified? Can
the different John Poythresses be identified? Which one of the third
generation John Poythresses was the attorney, the sheriff, the
surveyor, the close friend of William Byrd? can the different Thomas
Poythresses be identified?
No matter how many times I check this material for errors, I am sure
that there will still be errors within it. Hopefully, they will not be
too glaring.
Thank you in advance for those of you that have taken the time to read
this, and for those of you that try to provide an enlightening answer,
please keep a bottle of aspirin nearby.
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01/14/2004 1:17:12
RE: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
John M. Poythress
Subject: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
I don't recall ever seeing Cleaton Poythress mentioned before, in regard
to a census. If I am wrong, sorry for the repeat.
Name: Cleaton Poythress
State: Virginia
County: Mecklenburg
Township: 07 01
Year: 1782
Record Type: Continental Census
Page: 33
Database: VA Early Census Index
Elaine
Elaine: I have never seen that record to which you refer but I think it
stands up nicely with the "surrounding" evidence. I suspect that these
items might have been dealt with on the listserver several years ago and
just never got put on the page for you to access...so I'll show the full
documents.
1. Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton 14 Jul 1781 (daughter of William
Cleaton II). A Cleaton Poythress showing on 1782 VA proxy census would
be
entirely logical if he shows as Meredith's child. And 1782 would be a
a "right" birth date.
2. Cleaton/Cleton would have a younger brother Peter who shows in
Screven
County in an 1809 deed linking himself (Peter) with his father Meredith
and his uncle Thomas Cleaton:
SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.
7th day of ____, 1809
Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to Thomas
Cleaton, second part, of Macklenburg (sic) County , Va., for 43£ current
money of Virginia, paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said
Cleaton, and for one cent in United States coin, paid to Peter Poythress
by Thomas Cleaton, a certain tract of land in Macklenburg (sic) County,
Virginia containing 50 acres by estimation.
Usual Warranty
In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
Hardy Parker, James Ponder
Recorded 30th day of October 1809
Roger McKinney, Clerk
Meredith and Peter are clearly linked in the above. The Thomas I would
say is almost certainly the ninth and last child of William Cleaton II
m. Jane Poole. Thomas Cleaton b. 1750-60, d. 1818 Mecklenburg County m.
1 Elizabeth
Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788 in Brunswick County and m. 2. Lucy Malone 3 Mar
1808 in Mecklenburg County.
3. This same Cleaton ("Cleton" in his will) dies in Screven County and
leaves a will which bundles Meredith's family together nicely although
not
naming his mother Edith Cleaton (if indeed she is still alive in 1828,
she would have been about 63). Likewise, brother Peter is not mentioned
and may be presumed dead or left as he never shows on a later census.
The will:
Will of Cleton Poythress, Screven County, Georgia, 18 May 1828
In the name of God, Amen. I, Cleton Poythress of the County of Scriven
& State of Georgia (Planter) being weak in body & health but of perfect
mind & memory thanks be given to God, and calling to mind the morality
(sic)
of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do
make and ordain this, my last will & Testament that is to say
principally & first of all I give and recommend my soul into the hand of
Almighty God that gave it and my body I recommend to the earth to be
buried in decent Christian burial, at the discretion of my Executor,
nothing doubting but at the General Resurrection I shall receive the
same again by the mighty power of God. And as touching such worldly
Estate wherewith it has pleased God to bless me in this life, I give
devise and dispose of the same in the following manner & form, viz.
First I give and bequeath to my father Meredith Poythress one Cow and
calf. Also I will & bequeath to my sister Elizabeth Brannen my two
negroes viz. Hilly and her child Lucy on her paying to my brother
Meredith Poythress and my Niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress one hundred
dollars each. Also, I will and bequeath that my Executor will have so
much of my cattle & hogs & horses sold as will pay all my just and
lawful debts & the balance of all my stock to equally divided between my
sister Elizabeth Brannen & my brother Meredith Poythress & my Niece
Sarah Elizabeth Poythress. And I the aforesaid Cleton Poythress do
constitue(sic), make & ordain Hope Brannen of the County & State
aforesaid my sole Executor of this my last & only Will & Testament & I
do hereby utterly disannul, revoke & disavow any other former legacies,
bequest, will, or Testament confirming and ratifying this & no other to
be my last will & Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
hand & affixed my seal this the eighteenth day of May one thousand eight
hundred & twenty eight. Signed, Sealed,published; pronounced by the man
Cleton Poythress as his last testament in the presence of us, who in his
presence & in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our
names.
} Cleton Poythress {LS}
Cullen Williamson }
William Brannen, Jane Brannen }
Georgia } Personally appeared in open court Cullen Williamson
Screvin County } who being duly sworn deposeth & saith that he saw
the
within named Cleton Poythress sign, seal, publish & pronounce the
foregoing instrument of writing as his last will and testament, and
deponent further saith that he saw William Brannen & Jane Brannen
together with himself subscribe their names as witnesses to the same.
Sworn to & subscribed in open Cullen Williamson
Court this 7th day of July 1828 }
Jell. Wade I. I. C. } Recorded this 9th day of July
1828.
Jacob Bryan I. I. C. } Seaborn Goodall
C.C.O.I.C.
Alexander Kemp I. I. C. }
4. Under supposedly other circumstances there is a Poythress Cleaton
reported in VA. If the last Poythress marrying a Cleaton goes to GA by
at least 1803 there is at least the chance the order of the names might
have been reversed, thereby creating "another" person. An alternative
is that either Thomas or the one other Cleaton brother (John Cleaton m.
Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in Brunswick County) could have had a son and
named him Poythress Cleaton.
Perhaps whomever has that "Poythress Cleaton" as an individual can share
that with us.
Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual for an
infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did they
give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
Thanks,
Maynard
01/14/2004 1:35:51
Re: Cleaton Poythrss/Continental Census
Thanks Barbara and thanks Maynard for your response also. I am clueless as to
all the different things on Ancestry. I am sure they are some of the same
records, all of you have referred to by a different name, TaxList vs. Continental
Census. I haven't gotten into alot of the Virginia research yet, either.
Since I have never personally worked with alot of the records you have, I am
always scared if I don't mention what I find, when I am no longer a member of
Ancestry.com, it will come back to bite me. Then all you pros are going to say "Why
the heck didn't you mention it years ago." {g}
Take care,
Elaine
Elaine, it's ironic that you found this mention of "Cleaton Poythress"
today, when just hours before, I had made a note to myself to see if our
website had a transcription of the Will of Cleton Poythress (IT DOES).
Cleton Poythress' Will was signed 18 May 1828 in Screven County, GA, and
probated in July 1828. It mentions his father Meredith Poythress, sister
Elizabeth Brannen, niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress, brother Meredith
Poythress, Executor Hope Brannen, and Witnesses Cullen Williamson,
William Brannen & Jane Brannen. Though the website transcription doesn't
list the citation, it was found by a researcher for Bud years ago on a
film of Screven Co, GA Will Book 2B (which covers 1810-1875), pages 41-42.
In answer to your question about Cleaton Poythress, which you found in a
"VA Early Census Index" indicating it was from a 1782 "Continental
Census" for Mecklenburg Co, "township 07 01" page 33 -- I can't help but
wonder whether this might be some obscure way of citing the Personal
Property Tax Lists, which exist for all the counties of VA (along with
Land Tax Lists for each county). Especially the "township 07 01" is
obviously a numerical designator given by the maker(s) of the database,
since back in those days no place would have been designated that way.
The reason I wonder if that might really be the Personal Property Tax
List, is that years ago Don Simmons published a series of paperbound
books, on the Mecklenburg Censuses (1820; 1830; 1840; & 1850) and he
also did one on the "Mecklenburg Co, VA Tax Lists of 1782 & 1784." That
one on the tax lists is actually photocopies of the Personal Property
Tax Lists, not transcriptions of them. Each list is in pretty much
alphabetical order, so Simmons did not type up an index; thus it gets
tedious looking thru each of the many lists for names of interest.
Simmons did note at the end of that book that there were a fair number
of names that he thought the List-makers had reversed, putting down the
last name as the first name.
In the 1782 portion of the book, on the list "Taken by William Starling,
Gentleman" among the surnames beginning with "C" is a name clearly
written as "Clayton Poythress." He is listed with the household having
only 1 tithable male (himself), 0 slaves, 3 cattle, 1 horse/mule/colt, 0
wheels for carriages, 0 ordinary licenses, 0 billiard tables, and his
total personal property tax due was only 12 shillings.
There is no other name on Starling's list that bears any resemblance to
Poythress, by any spelling.
I've searched the other lists in the book for 1784, paying special
attention to Starling's List, and I don't find him listed then, under
any name.
Sure seems like this 1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA fellow is the same man who
moved to Screven Co, GA, and left the above-mentioned 1828 Will.
Barbara
1/14/2004 Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Name: Cleaton Poythress
> State: Virginia
> County: Mecklenburg
> Township: 07 01
> Year: 1782
> Record Type: Continental Census
> Page: 33
> Database: VA Early Census Index
01/14/2004 4:13:17
Cleaton Poythress - Mecklenburg to Screven?
Barbara P. Neal
Elaine, it's ironic that you found this mention of "Cleaton Poythress"
today, when just hours before, I had made a note to myself to see if our
website had a transcription of the Will of Cleton Poythress (IT DOES).
Cleton Poythress' Will was signed 18 May 1828 in Screven County, GA, and
probated in July 1828. It mentions his father Meredith Poythress, sister
Elizabeth Brannen, niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress, brother Meredith
Poythress, Executor Hope Brannen, and Witnesses Cullen Williamson,
William Brannen & Jane Brannen. Though the website transcription doesn't
list the citation, it was found by a researcher for Bud years ago on a
film of Screven Co, GA Will Book 2B (which covers 1810-1875), pages 41-42.
In answer to your question about Cleaton Poythress, which you found in a
"VA Early Census Index" indicating it was from a 1782 "Continental
Census" for Mecklenburg Co, "township 07 01" page 33 -- I can't help but
wonder whether this might be some obscure way of citing the Personal
Property Tax Lists, which exist for all the counties of VA (along with
Land Tax Lists for each county). Especially the "township 07 01" is
obviously a numerical designator given by the maker(s) of the database,
since back in those days no place would have been designated that way.
The reason I wonder if that might really be the Personal Property Tax
List, is that years ago Don Simmons published a series of paperbound
books, on the Mecklenburg Censuses (1820; 1830; 1840; & 1850) and he
also did one on the "Mecklenburg Co, VA Tax Lists of 1782 & 1784." That
one on the tax lists is actually photocopies of the Personal Property
Tax Lists, not transcriptions of them. Each list is in pretty much
alphabetical order, so Simmons did not type up an index; thus it gets
tedious looking thru each of the many lists for names of interest.
Simmons did note at the end of that book that there were a fair number
of names that he thought the List-makers had reversed, putting down the
last name as the first name.
In the 1782 portion of the book, on the list "Taken by William Starling,
Gentleman" among the surnames beginning with "C" is a name clearly
written as "Clayton Poythress." He is listed with the household having
only 1 tithable male (himself), 0 slaves, 3 cattle, 1 horse/mule/colt, 0
wheels for carriages, 0 ordinary licenses, 0 billiard tables, and his
total personal property tax due was only 12 shillings.
There is no other name on Starling's list that bears any resemblance to
Poythress, by any spelling.
I've searched the other lists in the book for 1784, paying special
attention to Starling's List, and I don't find him listed then, under
any name.
Sure seems like this 1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA fellow is the same man who
moved to Screven Co, GA, and left the above-mentioned 1828 Will.
Barbara
1/14/2004 Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Name: Cleaton Poythress
> State: Virginia
> County: Mecklenburg
> Township: 07 01
> Year: 1782
> Record Type: Continental Census
> Page: 33
> Database: VA Early Census Index
01/14/2004 10:06:39
Poythress Chronicles & Diana's work
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Mike & thanks for speaking up! I for one really appreciate knowing
that you are trying to wade thru all those early Poythresses. It's
enough to (a) drive one toward strong drink, and (b) make one realize
why the professional genealogists' guides all encourage moving back from
the known (present), one generation at a time, toward the unknown when
we're conducting our research. Moving from known to unknown gets hard
enough, and taking on the totality of the early unknowns gets really hairy.
I frankly haven't spent time on the early ones yet, because I'm still
trying to sort out & organize the Poythresses who lived in the latter
half of the 1700s. And of course since I haven't spent time on the early
ones yet, I can't answer any of your good questions, though I do
appreciate you asking & I admire you for taking on the efforts to find
the proofs & sort it out!
Presumably you have consulted Diana Diamond's years of excellent work on
a draft database trying to organize Poythress (& related) info from R.
Bolling Batte's index cards, but just in case you or anyone else wants
the URL, her database (with a link to her expanded Batte Chart) is at:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=va_families
Note: in case that long URL gets wrapped to a 2nd line by our mailing
list, it ends with ?db=va_families
And Diana has a register of the same file for at least the first 6
generations at:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=va_families&id=I0007
Note: this even longer URL will no doubt get wrapped by the mailing
list; it ends with va_families&id=I0007
which ending has an uppercase "i" followed by 3 zeros and then "7"
I'm not saying that R. Bolling Batte was infallible, but he was
certainly pretty thorough in looking at material available when he was
researching. He was one of the earliest heads of the Virginia
Genealogical Society.
And on a personal note, I'm interested to see that you're in Virginia
Beach. We lived there in the 1970s & still have friends there with whom
we stay in touch. I couldn't believe how much it had grown when I was
last there.
Thanks again for speaking up, and I hope you'll share additional
hard-thought questions (& answers to any of them!) with us.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
Michael Tutor wrote:
> January 14, 2004, Virginia Beach, VA.
> Thank you in advance for those of you that have taken the time to
> read this, and for those of you that try to provide an enlightening
> answer, please keep a bottle of aspirin nearby.
01/14/2004 10:39:00
Re: Whitney F. Poythress Jr.
Barbara P. Neal
I don't recognize him, Elaine, but appreciate knowing about him. (One of
my Mom's brothers was in a bomber squadron in WW II, and Buddy was the
only one of his crew MIA after their plane went down in 1945, so he is
listed on a monument at one of our American Cemeteries in France.)
Our government's American Battle Monuments Commission has lists of those
killed in action and missing in action in various wars, along with
information about the various American Cemeteries overseas, and info
including how to get a photo of the actual cemetery-engraved-name in
which one is interested, at their website:
www.abmc.gov
Thanks for letting us know of him.
BPN
1/14/2004 Denver145@aol.com wrote: ..on Ancestry.com today. Does anyone know who he was?
> World War II and Korean Conflict Veterans Interred Overseas
> Name: Whitney F. Poythress Jr.
> Inducted From: North Carolina
> Rank: Second Lieutenant
> Combat Organization: 568th Bomber Squadron 390th Bomber
> Death Date: Dec.11, 1943
> Monument: The Netherlands
> Last Known Status: Missing
> U.S. Awards: Purple Heart Medal, Air Medal, Additional Army Awards
01/14/2004 11:01:00
Re: Whitmell Porttess / Porthess
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Annie, for letting us know there is yet another NC county having
Poythress-type names in the 1860 Census.
Barbara
1/14/2004 Kin2annie@aol.com wrote: Whitmell Porttess or Porthess is shown in the 1860 Fed census for
Bertie Co,
> NC.
> http://www.heritagequestonline.com/index
> The image is taken from: 1860 > North Carolina > BERTIE > WINDSOR P O
> Series: M653 Roll: 888 Pg: 38
01/14/2004 11:04:29
Whitney F. Poythress Jr.
I ran across this on Ancestry.com today. Does anyone know who he was?
World War II and Korean Conflict Veterans Interred Overseas
U.S. Awards: Purple Heart Medal, Air Medal, Additional Army Awards
Take care,
Elaine
01/14/2004 11:43:20
Genealogy nightmare: The Poythress Chronicles
Michael Tutor
January 14, 2004, Virginia Beach, VA.
I am Mike Tutor. I am one of those that read all of the e-mails to the site but never say a thing. However, after looking closely at the Poythress
information that is available on the internet and in the library, I find myself wondering if there is any "safe ground" when researching the family. I am a descendant of Richard and Rebecca Pace. The saga begins here for me. I began to gather all of the information that I could about these two and their families, friends, events, locations, etc. It seems that there are at least two disparate conclusions that have been drawn from these two people.
After gathering all of the information that I could find, I realized that there seems to be no serious dates set for family members and any events involving their lives, except for the "notorious abstracts" that everyone quotes. And, if that was not enough, we encounter the juniors, the seniors, the elders and the sons-in-law. I realized that I had to try to place some dates upon people and arrange some family groupings to be able to identify the family and its relatives and friends. At this point, I started using all of the Poythress material that is available on the Poythress website, the internet and the library. I placed all of the material that I could find in chronological order. This brought even greater problems.
For the most part, most people accept Captain Francis Poythress(1) as the immigrant, and that he arrived on this continent at least by 1632, and that he was born in 1609 and died about 1650. Secondly, we mostly agree that Major Francis Poythress(2) was one of his sons and that Major Poythress(2) was born somewhere around 1635, give or take a few years, and that he died about 1688. Major Francis Poythress(2) seems to have had brothers, John(2) and Thomas(2), and possibly a "half-sister," Jane(2)......Now, the fun begins again.
Major Francis Poythress(2) may have been the oldest son and it is recorded that he left a will behind. That will has not been found. He had a son, Francis Poythress(3), that was born about 1678 in Charles City County and was alive after 1738. Major Francis Poythress'(2) son, John Poythress(3), named a son, Francis Poythress(4) also. This Francis Poythress(4) was born about 1707 and died about 1729, according to Batte. This Francis Poythress(4) supposedly married Hannah Ravenscroft, who died about 1765, and they named a child, Elizabeth Poythress(5). Elizabeth was born February 11, 1730/31. Hannah Ravenscroft married again after her husband's death.
Major Francis Poythress'(2) brother, John Poythress(2), had a son that he named Francis Poythress(3) also. It seems that John Poythress(2) may have been married more than once. His second wife was Christian Peebles. Their son Francis Poythress(3) could be a son of either marriage. John Poythress(2) received a gift of land from Edward Hill in 1661 which might give some indication that some of John's children may be older than his brother's children. This is where "junior," "senior," and "the elder" comes into play. Some say that this Francis(3) was John Poythress'(2) second oldest son. Some say that he was born in the early 1690s. His wife may have been Hannah Worsham, born about 1700, and died before 1729. They had a son, Francis Poythress(4) that was born before 1729. Francis Poythress(4) supposedly married Mary Peterson, and they supposedly had two children, Francis Poythress(5) and Mary Peterson Poythress. Francis Poythress(5) supposedly died in 1796 and his will is avail!
able. Mary Peterson Poythress was born about 1763 and died about 1841. There is a possibly a problem with Mary Peterson Poythress being Francis Poythress'(5) sister as he mentions a daughter, Mary Peterson Poythress, in his will of 1796. This line of Francis Poythresses should die out according to Batte. I would think that in this line of Francis Poythresses the "preacher" will be found.
If you have not given up by now, I have more fun for you. John Poythress(2) was the father of a John Poythress(3). However, John(2) did leave a will that is available (1712). He names his children. Not much information is available on this John Poythress(2) so it may be safe to think that he was younger than his brother, Major Francis Poythress(2).....primogeniture, etc.....Now, we are in for the "junior," "senior," "captain" problems again. Major Francis Poythress(2) had a son named John Poythress(3) also. While John Poythress(2) was living, it seems that he was called John Poythress, Sr. When he died, it seems that his son was sometimes called John Poythress, Sr., and the first cousin was called John Poythress, Jr. Both of the cousins have been referred to as "Captain" in deed abstracts. One of these third generation John Poythresses seems to have been an attorney and/or a sheriff. By primogeniture, it would seem that John Poythress'(2) son, John(3), would be the attorney !
as he seems to have been the first born in John's(2) family, whereas, John(3), son of Francis(2), was not the oldest son in his family. When it comes to analyzing deeds, etc., it is very hard to determine which John Poythress is involved. Both of them are married to women named Mary. John Poythress(3), son of Francis Poythress(2), left a will that is available (1724), which named his children. From what I have gathered, it seems that the will of 1712 is acknowledged as John Poythress'(2) will, and that the will of 1724 is acknowledged as John Poythress'(3) [son of Francis(2)] will. I have not seen a will displayed for John Poythress(3), son of John Poythress(2). I have been using a birth date of 1639 and a date of death of 1712 for John Poythress(2). His son, John Poythress(3) may have been born as early as the 1660s or may be a son of Christian Peebles, which would give him a birth closer to about 1676. John Poythress(3), son of Francis(2), was born about 1684 and died in 1!
724. His son, John Poythress(4), was probably born about 1703.
My final question for now has to do with the two Thomas Poythresses. Remember that Batte said that the Poythress name became extinct in the John Poythress'(2) line. John Poythress(3), son of John Poythress(2), married Mary Batte. They had a son, Thomas Poythress(4), that was born about 1690. Major Francis Poythress(2) had a son named Thomas Poythress(3) also. This Thomas(3) was born about 1682 and died about 1750. He supposedly was involved in the will of his cousin, Joshua Poythress, in 1739. In addition to this, the son of Joshua Poythress, by the name of Joshua Poythress, was involved in the will of this Thomas Poythress(3) upon his death. I have not seen evidence of this will to date. Thomas Poythress(4) married Elizabeth Pleasants Cocke and they had a son that they named John Poythress(5).
Now that I have covered these subjects, I would like to see if anyone can lay out deeds, wills, occupations, marriages, children, etc., in chronological order so that we may be able to build upon some firm foundation. Can the different Francis Poythresses be identified? Can the different John Poythresses be identified? Which one of the third generation John Poythresses was the attorney, the sheriff, the surveyor, the close friend of William Byrd? can the different Thomas Poythresses be identified?
No matter how many times I check this material for errors, I am sure that there will still be errors within it. Hopefully, they will not be too glaring.
Thank you in advance for those of you that have taken the time to read this, and for those of you that try to provide an enlightening answer, please keep a bottle of aspirin nearby.
01/14/2004 11:45:57
Cleaton Poythress/Continental Cencus
I don't recall ever seeing Cleaton Poythress mentioned before, in regard to a
census. If I am wrong, sorry for the repeat.
Name: Cleaton Poythress
State: Virginia
County: Mecklenburg
Township: 07 01
Year: 1782
Record Type: Continental Census
Page: 33
Database: VA Early Census Index
Elaine
01/14/2004 11:47:35
Whitmell Porttess / Porthess
Whitmell Porttess or Porthess is shown in the 1860 Fed census for Bertie Co,
NC.
http://www.heritagequestonline.com/index
This is how I found the name:
click on ‘search census’
surname: 'Tayloe'
year: '1860'
state: 'North Carolina'
click on 'search'
click on 'Bertie'
click on 'Tayloe, Richd R.'
that should put you on page A
scroll down to line 25, Whitmell Portess or Porthess, age 50.
The image is taken from: 1860 > North Carolina > BERTIE > WINDSOR P O
Series: M653 Roll: 888 Pg: 38
Annie
01/14/2004 12:16:05
Re: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
Barbara P. Neal
Yep, Elaine, Jackson & AIS's "Early Census Index" having contained the
'and/or census substitutes' is entirely consistent with the 1782
Personal Property Tax Lists of VA being part of those early census
substitutes.
BPN
1/15/2004 Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Maynard, here is the description Ancestry gives for this collection of data.
>
> "This collection contains the following Indexes: 1800 Accomack Co.Federal
> Census Index; 1810 Federal Index; 1820 Federal Census Index; 1830 Federal Census
> Index; 1840 Federal Census Index; 1840 Pensioners Index; 1850 Federal Census
> Index; 1850 Slave Schedule; 1860 Federal Census Index; 1860 Slave Schedule;
> 1870 Federal Census; 1890 Veterans Schedule; 1890 Naval Veterens Schedule; Early
> Census Index"
>
> "Source Information:
> Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Virginia Census
> 1800-90. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules
> of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census
> subsitutes."
>
> "An index entry is only a reference to more detailed information found in
> census records themselves. It is important that researchers consult the actual
> census records to which the indexes refer." {It goes on to site where microfilm
> of these records can be viewed} LDS Family History Library, National Archives
> etc.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
> Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual for an
> infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
> don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did they
> give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
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>
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01/15/2004 3:41:21
Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for the info you cited in your message re the family of
Meredith, including his marriage to Edith Cleaton & the 1809 Screven
County deed. Looks like you & I were simultaneously addressing that will
of Cleton Poythress
Since the 1782 Mecklenburg Personal Property Tax List (that I mentioned
yesterday), listed "Clayton Poythress" -- that shows us that (whoever he
was!) he was old enough to (1) be a tithable, and (2) not be listed in
the household of another tithable, such as his father's household. Thus,
he (Cleton/Clayton/Cleaton Poythress or Poythress Clayton/Cleaton) was
probably born by about 1760 to 1766-ish.
That COULD mean that the fellow in the 1782 List was a sibling of
Meredith Poythress, who subsequently named one of his sons for him, or
it COULD mean that in Edith Cleaton's family (or extended family) there
was a Poythress Cleaton...
A few years ago I examined many years of microfilmed Mecklenburg Co, VA
Personal Property Tax Lists, and Land Tax Lists. In the Personal
Property Tax Lists, "Poythress Clayton" in ONLY the year 1782, was the
only mention of the Poythress name that I saw during the years of 1782
through 1785. It was only in 1786 that Meredith began to be listed. He
was the only Poythress listed in Mecklenburg until 1795 when a second
Poythress-surnamed tithable was listed: Lewis Poythress. Then in 1800,
Meredith's listing included the notation that his son "Peter" was then
also a tithable, having reached the necessary age, which I think was
"Over 16."
Interestingly, in the Mecklenburg Land Tax Records, the lists for the
Lower District of the county (the one corresponding with the above
records) were not on the film for the years of 1783 thru 1786; no
Poythress was found in the other district. Earlier, in 1782, there was
no Poythress in either district, and then again from 1787 thru 1792
there was no Poythress in either district.
Even when a Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records for the
Lower District, in 1793, it was not Meredith: Peter Poythress showed up
in 1793, though NOT in 1794, and then Peter was there again in the years
that I read between 1795 to 1819, with the caveats that (1) the Lower
District was missing from the film for 1800; (2) the 1807 list was too
faded to read; and (3) for some reason I missed reading the list for
1808 -- don't know if it was missing from the film, or if it too was too
faded to read & I just neglected to note that, or if I just missed
reading it.
Lewis Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records (same Lower
District) in 1797. The next Poythress to join him in the records was
Littleberry Poythress in 1829-1831, whose land was in the other District
of the county. David Poythress began showing up in 1828, on the same
Lower District with Lewis Poythress. In 1846, we still have "Lewis
Poythress Senr" (now designated that way to distinguish him from Lewis Y
Poythress), and now "Lewis Y and Thomas M Poythress" (who apparently
jointly owned their land) had also joined the Lower District list.
Someday I want to comb back thru those lists to also search for all the
Cleatons in all the years. I had taken time to note some of them & other
names of interest when I went thru the first time, but I was not
consistent in remembering to look for them along with always looking for
Poythress. And hopefully another filming has been done that may make
some of the previously missing/faded lists available.
All for now.
BPN
1/14/2004 John M. Poythress wrote: Subject: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
>
> 1. Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton 14 Jul 1781 (daughter of William
> Cleaton II). A Cleaton Poythress showing on 1782 VA proxy census would
> be
> entirely logical if he shows as Meredith's child. And 1782 would be a
> a "right" birth date.
>
> 2. Cleaton/Cleton would have a younger brother Peter who shows in
> Screven
> County in an 1809 deed linking himself (Peter) with his father Meredith
> and his uncle Thomas Cleaton:
>
> SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.
> 7th day of ____, 1809
> Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to Thomas
> Cleaton, second part, of Macklenburg (sic) County , Va., for 43£ current
> money of Virginia, paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said
> Cleaton, and for one cent in United States coin, paid to Peter Poythress
> by Thomas Cleaton, a certain tract of land in Macklenburg (sic) County,
> Virginia containing 50 acres by estimation.
> Usual Warranty
> In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
> Hardy Parker, James Ponder
> Recorded 30th day of October 1809
> Roger McKinney, Clerk
>
> Meredith and Peter are clearly linked in the above. The Thomas I would
> say is almost certainly the ninth and last child of William Cleaton II
> m. Jane Poole. Thomas Cleaton b. 1750-60, d. 1818 Mecklenburg County m.
> 1 Elizabeth
> Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788 in Brunswick County and m. 2. Lucy Malone 3 Mar
> 1808 in Mecklenburg County.
>
> 3. This same Cleaton ("Cleton" in his will) dies in Screven County and
> leaves a will which bundles Meredith's family together nicely although
> not
> naming his mother Edith Cleaton (if indeed she is still alive in 1828,
> she would have been about 63). Likewise, brother Peter is not mentioned
> and may be presumed dead or left as he never shows on a later census.
> The will:
>
> Will of Cleton Poythress, Screven County, Georgia, 18 May 1828
>
> In the name of God, Amen. I, Cleton Poythress of the County of Scriven
> & State of Georgia (Planter) being weak in body & health but of perfect
> mind & memory thanks be given to God, and calling to mind the morality
> (sic)
> of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do
> make and ordain this, my last will & Testament that is to say
> principally & first of all I give and recommend my soul into the hand of
> Almighty God that gave it and my body I recommend to the earth to be
> buried in decent Christian burial, at the discretion of my Executor,
> nothing doubting but at the General Resurrection I shall receive the
> same again by the mighty power of God. And as touching such worldly
> Estate wherewith it has pleased God to bless me in this life, I give
> devise and dispose of the same in the following manner & form, viz.
> First I give and bequeath to my father Meredith Poythress one Cow and
> calf. Also I will & bequeath to my sister Elizabeth Brannen my two
> negroes viz. Hilly and her child Lucy on her paying to my brother
> Meredith Poythress and my Niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress one hundred
> dollars each. Also, I will and bequeath that my Executor will have so
> much of my cattle & hogs & horses sold as will pay all my just and
> lawful debts & the balance of all my stock to equally divided between my
> sister Elizabeth Brannen & my brother Meredith Poythress & my Niece
> Sarah Elizabeth Poythress. And I the aforesaid Cleton Poythress do
> constitue(sic), make & ordain Hope Brannen of the County & State
> aforesaid my sole Executor of this my last & only Will & Testament & I
> do hereby utterly disannul, revoke & disavow any other former legacies,
> bequest, will, or Testament confirming and ratifying this & no other to
> be my last will & Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
> hand & affixed my seal this the eighteenth day of May one thousand eight
> hundred & twenty eight. Signed, Sealed,published; pronounced by the man
> Cleton Poythress as his last testament in the presence of us, who in his
> presence & in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our
> names.
> } Cleton Poythress {LS}
> Cullen Williamson }
> William Brannen, Jane Brannen }
>
> Georgia } Personally appeared in open court Cullen Williamson
> Screvin County } who being duly sworn deposeth & saith that he saw
> the
> within named Cleton Poythress sign, seal, publish & pronounce the
> foregoing instrument of writing as his last will and testament, and
> deponent further saith that he saw William Brannen & Jane Brannen
> together with himself subscribe their names as witnesses to the same.
>
> Sworn to & subscribed in open Cullen Williamson
> Court this 7th day of July 1828 }
> Jell. Wade I. I. C. } Recorded this 9th day of July
> 1828.
> Jacob Bryan I. I. C. } Seaborn Goodall
> C.C.O.I.C.
> Alexander Kemp I. I. C. }
>
> 4. Under supposedly other circumstances there is a Poythress Cleaton
> reported in VA. If the last Poythress marrying a Cleaton goes to GA by
> at least 1803 there is at least the chance the order of the names might
> have been reversed, thereby creating "another" person. An alternative
> is that either Thomas or the one other Cleaton brother (John Cleaton m.
> Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in Brunswick County) could have had a son and
> named him Poythress Cleaton.
>
> Perhaps whomever has that "Poythress Cleaton" as an individual can share
> that with us.
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>
> Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
> Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual for an
> infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
> don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did they
> give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
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01/15/2004 4:42:04
Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
Maynard, here is the description Ancestry gives for this collection of data.
"This collection contains the following Indexes: 1800 Accomack Co.Federal
Census Index; 1810 Federal Index; 1820 Federal Census Index; 1830 Federal Census
Index; 1840 Federal Census Index; 1840 Pensioners Index; 1850 Federal Census
Index; 1850 Slave Schedule; 1860 Federal Census Index; 1860 Slave Schedule;
1870 Federal Census; 1890 Veterans Schedule; 1890 Naval Veterens Schedule; Early
Census Index"
"Source Information:
Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. Virginia Census
1800-90. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules
of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census
subsitutes."
"An index entry is only a reference to more detailed information found in
census records themselves. It is important that researchers consult the actual
census records to which the indexes refer." {It goes on to site where microfilm
of these records can be viewed} LDS Family History Library, National Archives
etc.
Take care,
Elaine
Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual for an
infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did they
give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
Thanks,
Maynard
01/15/2004 5:04:39
The Poythress Chronicles
Michael Tutor
January 15, 2004, Virginia Beach, VA.
I really appreciated hearing from you; Barbara, Maynard and Lou. Hopefully, the following days or weeks will allow me to post entries that we all have seen before but have not been able to capitalize on to date. The following four paragraphs note the Poythresses and allied family members that will be shown in the subsequent chronological narrative. We are able to follow Captain Francis Poythress' life from the 1632 entry until the last entry in 1649. We are also able to see his wife, Mary, and her second marriage to Robert Wynne. We are also able to follow the life of Joyce Boyce Tye Coggin. I have tried my best to document the sources where all of these pieces of the puzzle can be found. All of these entries would be much better if they were the original documents.
Captain Frances Poythress(1) was born in 1609 (son of a John Poythress) and died about 1650. It is very possible that he was married more than once and that Mary was his second wife. The possibility may exist that he was married previously to Alice Peyton and that Jane Poythress was their daughter. Jane Poythress was supposed to have married Thomas Rolfe. Frances'(1) and Mary Poythress' children were: Francis(2), who married Rebecca Coggin; John, who married Christian Peebles; and, Thomas, godson of Capt. Thomas Pawlett, who was sent to England. Captain Francis Poythress'(1) wife, Mary, married Robert Wynne after Francis'(1) death.
Major Frances Poythress(2) was the son of Captain Frances Poythress(1) and Mary (possibly Mary Frances Sloman). Frances(2) was born around 1635 and died in 1688. He married Rebecca Coggin, daughter of Joyce Boyce Tye Coggin. Their children were: Francis(3); Rebecca(3), who is usually listed as wife of Richard Pace(4); Thomas(3); and, John(3), who married Mary (possibly Hardyman), and died in 1724. The possibility exists that the Anne Poythress that is usually listed with this family is actually Charles Bartholomew's daughter. Major Francis Poythress'(2) wife, Rebecca, married Charles Bartholomew after Francis'(2) death.
Francis Poythress(3), brother of Rebecca Poythress, was born about 1678 and died after 1738. Francis Poythress(3) had a first cousin named Francis Poythress, who was the son of John(2) and Christian Poythress. This Francis Poythress also named a son Francis. Francis Poythress' (1678-aft. 1738) brother, John, had a son named Francis (1707-1729) who married Hannah Ravenscroft.
Joyce ----- (c. 1618-?); married her first husband, Cheney Boyce (1591-before 1649), about 1638, and had at least one child: (1) Thomas Boyce (1639-?). Joyce married her second husband before 1649, Richard Tye (?-before 1659), and had at least two children: (1) Elizabeth Tye and (2) Frances Tye. Joyce married her third husband in 1659, Richard Coggin (c. 1620-c. 1698), and had at least one child: Rebecca Coggin (c. 1660-after 1711). Frances Tye married Charles Bartholomew. Rebecca Coggin married Francis Poythress(2). John Jane married one of Rebecca's half sisters, possibly Elizabeth Tye.
Members of the first General Assembly 1619, Assembled July 30th: James City: Captain William Powell, Ensign William Spense; Charles City: Samuel Sharpe, Samuel Jordan; The City of Henricus: Thomas Dowse, Samuel Jordan; Kicoughtan: Captain William Tucker, William Capp; Martin-Brandon (Captain John Martin's Plantation): Thomas Davis, Robert Stacy; Smythe's Hundred: Captain Thomas Graves, Walter Shelly; Martin's Hundred: John Boys, John Jackson; Argall's Gift: Thomas Pawlett, Mr. Gourgainy; Flowerdieu Hundred: Engisn Rossingham, Mr. Jefferson; Captain Lawne's Plantation: Captain Christopher Lawne, Ensign Washer; Captain Ward's Plantation: Captain Ward, Lieutenant Gibbes.
Assembled, October 16th, 1629, Burgesses from: The Plantation at the College: Lt. Thomas Osborne, Matthew Edlowe; Shirley Hundred Island: Cheney Boyse, John Browne; Pace's Paines: Lt. William Perry, John Smyth, who came in 1611 in the Elizabeth.
Assembled, March 24th, 1629/30, Burgesses from: The Plantations of the College and Neck of Land: Capt. Thomas Osborne, Thomas Farmer; Shirley Hundred Island: Cheney Boyse, Walter Aston; Flowedieu Hundred: John Flood; Pace's Paines and Smythe's Mount: William Perry.
Frances Poythress is thought to have come to Virginia circa 1633 or before and seems to have been a factor or agent for Lawrence Evans, merchant of London, England. Later Evans claimed that Poythress committed abuses in his trust, discharged him, and brought suit against him in the General Court. In March, 1638/39, the Governor and Council appointed four of the ablest merchants in Virginia to arbitrate the suit and they decided in favor of Poythress. In 1639, the subcommittee for the foreign plantations to the Lords of Privy Council directed that a further inquiry be made when Evans himself was to go to Virginia. Evidently, Francis Poythress was acquitted of any breach of trust and became a trusted and valued officer of the Colony. On July 13, 1637, Francis Poythress was granted 400 acres of land in Charles City County, bordering north on his own land, south on the main woods, east upon the land of Capt. Woodlief and west upon Baylie's Creek. He is named as a head right in a!
grant dated May 22, 1642, for 200 acres to Robert Eyres in Lower Norfolk County. He evidently made a trip back to England as he listed himself twice as a head right in a patent made out to him in 1637. Francis Poythress was elected burgess from Charles City in 1644, 1645, and 1647, and was a lieutenant of militia in the Indian War in 1644, and was a Captain prior to 1647. In 1648, as Capt. Francis Poythress, he was placed in command of the militia and was appointed by the assembly to levy and collect taxes in the new county of Northumberland, which extended from the York and Rappahannock Rivers to the Potomack. He represented Northumberland county in the Assembly of 1648. On May 8, 1648, he was granted 750 acres in Charles City near the mouth of Baylie's Creek, adjoining land belonging to the orphans of Jenkins Osborne, bounded westerly by the lands of Thomas Baylie, "now in the tenure of John Butler," 350 acres formerly granted Jenkins Osborne and purchased by said Poythre!
ss of Jenkins Osborne, Mary Osborne, and Capt. Edward Hill, by right of dictoris christmas, the other 400 acres due by former patent. (Bayley's Creek is just east of Petersburg, and forms the southern border of the city of Hopewell. It empties into the James River). When Prince George was formed in 1702 this land fell into the new county. It can be inferred from existing records that Francis Poythress (1) died about 1650. In 1658, Mary West, widow of John Butler, sold to Edward Ardington 150 acres in Charles City, formerly land of Thomas Baylie, bounded on the east by lands lately in the tenure of William Worsham. Referring to the patent to Francis Poythress in 1648, it will be noted that at least part of this grant was in 1658 in the possession of William Worsham.
The surname of Mary, the wife of Capt. Francis Poythress, is not known, but may be Sloman. She married (2) Capt. Robert Wynne and had children with him. As the will of Capt. Robert Wynne, dated July, 1675, mentioned Maj. Francis Poythress (2) as "son-in-law," many genealogists have assumed that Francis Poythress (2) married a daughter of Robert Wynne. However, in the 17th century usage, "son-in-law," also meant step-son. Only one child is definitely known for Francis and Mary Poythress, their son, Francis Poythress. However, Jane Poythress, is usually shown tentatively as their daughter. It is presumed that there were other children.
Francis Poythress and his wife Mary had the following known children, (1) Francis Poythress, born ca. 1630, died ca. 1688, married Rebecca Coggan; (2) John Poythress, married Christian Peebles; and, (3) Jane Poythress, supposedly married Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. Gov. Wyndham Robertson in his Pocahontas and her Descendants speaks as to the name Jane Poythress under Thomas Rolfe, and we quote from him on page 30 as follows: "I adopt Jane Poythress (not Poyers) whom he is stated in the 'Bolling Memoirs' to have married in England." These Memoirs were written in French by Col. Robert Bolling of "Chellowe;" Jane Poythress was the mother of Jane Rolfe who married Col. Robert Bolling as his first wife and died in 1676. (4) Thomas Poythress, is mentioned as godson in the will of Capt. Thomas Pawlett January 12, 1643. In October, 1659, Arthur Graunt made an agreement, filed in Charles City Court, to take Thomas Poythress to England and in case Mr. George Laud s!
hould not accommodate him with diet and lodging, to provide the same until the next ship to Virginia. (There is no further record of this Thomas Poythress and he either died young or remained in England).
May 31, 1631, Cheney Boyce patented 1550 acs., 100 acs. due as an Ancient Planter, 1450 acs. for trans 29 pers. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," Patent Book 1, p. 40, Part 1, p. 352.
Assembled, February 21st, 1631/2, Burgesses from: Arrowhattocks, Neck of Land, and Curles: Capt. Thomas Osborne; Both Shirly Hundreds, Mr. Farrar's and Chaplains: Capt. Francis Epes, Walter Aston; Flowerdieu Hundred and Weyanoke: John Flood; Captain Perry's downwards to Hogg Island: Capt. William Perry, Richard Richards.
Minutes of the Council and General Court at James Citty, 9th Feb 1632; Virginia Historical Magazine, Vol. 31, 1923, p. 295. Present: Sir John Harvey Knt Governor &c Capt ffrauncis West, Capt Samuell Mathewe, Capt Wm Clayborne, Mr. Henry ffinch, Capt John Uty, Capt Richard Stephens, Capt Hugh Bullocke, Capt Wm Peirce. Uppon ffrauncis Poythres his peti'con there is graunted unto him a l're of Administra'con uppon the estates of Thomas Hall & Robert Kidd deceased.
Assembled, September 4th, 1632, Burgesses from: Arrowhattocks, Neck of Land and Curles: Capt. Thomas Osborne; Shirley Hundred Island: Cheney Boyse; Westover and Flowerdieu Hundred: John Flood; Smyth's Mount and Perry's Point: John Smythe; Over the Water against James City: Richard Richards.
July 13, 1637, Francis Poythers 400 acres in the County of Charles City, lying North upon the land now in the possession of the said Poythers; and bounded on the West by Bayles's Creek; south on the main woods; and bounded on the East by the land of Captain Woodliffe. Due for the transportation of said Francis Poythers, Richard Wells, Jane Lucas, Thos. Thompson, Richard Former, Bryan Raycock, Francis Howes, and Richard Whiting. Granted by Harvey, 13 July 1637." Patents 1, 1623-43, vol. 1, p. 439.
Aug. 24, 1637, Cheney Boyes, 1550 acs. Chas. City Co., p. 468. N upon lime hill Sw., W upon Merchants Hope Cr., E into the woods & S up towards the head of sd. Cr. 100 acs. due for his per. adv. as being an Ancient planter before the time of Sir Thomas Dale his Govmt, according to a charter of orders from the Late Treasurer & C. dated 18 Nov. 1618 & 1450 acs. for trans. of 29 pers. named. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," p.68, Book 1, Part 1, p. 468.
19th September, 1637, LVA Colonial Records Project Survey Report: 4768 / 04543, Title: Privy Council Register, References: M.S. Giuseppi, A Guide to the Manuscripts preserved in the Public Records Office, vol. II (London, 1924) pp. 128, 129. C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge (Washington, D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220.
A letter to the Governor and Council of Virginia, 19 September 1637. Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia in the previous year goods for a value of £2,000 in three ships, the Rebecca, master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey, his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only £150. The rest of the goods were carried away by the three masters and their crew. Order to try and trace the goods belonging to Evans. Note: The original document cited above still needs to be examined at the LVA.
"23 July 1639. Report of Sub-Committee for foreign relations to the Lords of Privy Council on petition of Lawrence Evans and letter from Governor and Council in Virginia concerning their proceedings in cause between Evans and Poythress as of 23 March 1639 "directed a further inquiry when Evans was to go to Virginia himself." "Governor and Council in March 1638/9 referred the Evans-Poythress suit to four of the "ablest merchants in Virginia" for arbitration, and these men decided that Evans "present factor should pay Poythress 10 pounds in the hundred for goods sold and tobacco received."
Assembled, January 12th, 1641, Burgesses from: James City: Capt. Robt. Hutchinson, Mr. Francis Fowler, Mr. John White, Mr. Thos. Hill, Mr. Richard Richards, Mr. Ferdinand Franklin, Mr. Jeremie Clement, Mr. Thos. Follis, Mr. Wm. Butler; Henrico: Mr. John Baugh, Mr. Francis Fulford.
Assembled, April 1st, 1642, Burgesses from: Richard Townsend, John Upton, Obedience Robins, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Dewe, John Hill, Ferdinand Franklin, William Butler, George Worleigh, Francis Fowler, John Weale, Edward Hill, Thomas Harwood, Nathaniel Gough, Joseph Johnson, Matthew Chiles, William Dacker, Thomas Fallowes, George Hardy, Thomas Bernard, Edward Windham.
John Woodliffe, 750 acres, Chas. City County. 530 acres Lyeing at a place called Jordens, bordering W. upon land of Wil: Jarrett, adj. Samuell Jorden. 20 acres part of a place now called Bermoodus hundred, bounding E. upon the great river & S. upon land of Samuell Jorden, running to land of William Julian; the other 200 acres adj. the above. 550 acres by patent to sd. Woodliffe dated Dec. 10, 1620, & the remainder by patent dated July 25, 1638.
Adam Cooke, gent., patented 1,000 acs. Charles City Co., November 5, 1642, for transfer of twenty persons..... among them was Richard Tye. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," p. 138, Book 1, Part 1, p. 846.
September 1, 1643, John Freme 1178 acs. Chas. City Co. near Flowerdy Hundred adj. Cheney Boyce. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," p. 145, Book 1, Part 1, p. 496.
October 1st, 1644. Grand Assembly - Holden att James Cittie The First of October 1644 - 19th Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 282-283.
The names of the Burgesses for the severall planations: Charles Cittie: Capt. Edw. Hill, Speaker; Mr. Fra. Poythers, Mr. John Bishopp, Mr. John Westropp; Henrico: Mr. Dan. Liewellin, Mr. Abra. Wood, Mr. Wm. Hatcher.
February 17th, 1644/5. Grand Assembly - Holden att James Cittie The 17th of February 1644/5 - 19th Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 288-289.
The names of the Burgesses: Charles Cittie: Capt. Edward Hill, Speaker; Mr. Rice Hoe; Leift Francis Poythres, Mr. Mr. Edward Prince; Henrico: Mr. John Baugh, Mr. Abraham Wood.
Assembled, November 20th, 1645, Burgesses from: Charles City: Captain Fra. Eps, Captain Edward Hill, Edward Prince, Rice Hoe, William Barker, Charles Sparrow, Anthony Wyatt; Henrico: Abra. Wood, William Hatcher.
March 2nd, 1645/6. Grand Assembly - Holden at James Cittie The Second of March 1645/6 - 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318.
Act XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift. Fra: Poythers in the mana!
geing of any occasionall warr, And that upon all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace, the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt. Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks, ...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
"Assemblie 6 March 1645/6. Act to raise force of men on North side of James River from counties of Henrico, Charles City, York. Warwick, Elizabeth City and North Hampton under command of Lt. Fra. Poythress, who shall follow directions of Capt. Henry Fleet, and they shall build a fort on Rappahannock River, etc."
November 3rd, 1647. Grand Assembly - Holden at James Cittie The Third of November 1647 - 22nd Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, p. 337.
The Burgesses names of the severall countys: Charles Citty: Capt. Edw. Hill, Speaker; Capt. Francis Poythers; York: Richard Lee, Capt. Wm. Tayler.
May 8, 1648, Captain Francis Poythres was granted 750 acres in Charles City near the mouth of Baylie's Creek, adjoining land belonging to the orphans of Jenkins Osborne, bounded westerly by the lands of Thomas Baylie, "now in the tenure of John Butler," 350 acres formerly granted Jenkins Osborne and purchased by said Poythress of Jenkins Osborne, Mary Osborne, and Capt. Edward Hill, by right of dictoris christmas, the other 400 acres due by former patent. Patents 2, 1643-51, p. 139. When Prince George was formed in 1702 this land fell into the new county. Bayley's Creek is just east of Petersburg, and forms the southern border of the city of Hopewell. It empties into the James River.
October 12th, 1648. Grand Assembly - Holden at James Cittie The Twelfth of October 1648 - 23nd Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 352-353.
Act I - [Tract of land between Rappahannock and Potomack rivers called Northumberland county. Act provides for the election of burgesses, patents issued and inhabitants proportionably taxed. Note: Hening's Statutes notes that this Act contains several erroneous references including the date Northumberland first occurred and representation in the House of Burgesses.]
...That the said inhabitants de futuro be rated proportionably in all leavyes to the rest of the inhabitants of the collony, And that they make payment of all arrears due from them, for which their so doeing Capt. Francis Poythers hath undertaken to the Assembly who is therefore authorized to collect the same, with power to distreyn in case of refusall either of the said arrears or of the leavye ordered att this sessions of Assembly. (This was an Act for reducing inhabitants of Chicacone and other parts of the neck of land between the Rappahannock and Potomack Rivers, and the same to be known thereafter as Northumberland and that Capt. Francis Poythress was to levy and collect taxes, etc. Captain Francis Poythress was a Burgess from Northumberland County).
1649. Early Settlers of Alabama by Col. James Edmonds Saunders, page 339. Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1969.
Northumberland County in Virginia was called "Chicacone" until around 1645. The Act of 1649 called for all south of the Potomac to be considered within the county of Northumberland. After 1 September 1649 the inhabitants could move to the north side of the Charles (York) River and Rapp River. This was because the whites had fled due to the Indian massacre in 1644. The Northumberland patents began in 1648 with Captain Francis Poythress collecting the
assessments.
October 10th, 1649. Grand Assembly - Holden at James Cittie The 10th Day of October 1649. Manuscript in the Library of Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 358-359.
Charles the 1st was beheaded on the 30th of January, 1649. From that period, the commonwealth, in England, commenced; and it continued under different modification, till the restoration of Charles the 2nd in 1660.
The Burgesses names: Northumberland: Capt. Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward Hill, Charles Sparrow. [Note: This is the last known documented reference to Capt. Francis Poythress].
October 26, 1649, Mr. Richard Tye 1450 acs. known by the name of Old Towne above Merchants Hope...due by vertue of the rights of a patent granted Chene Boys 23 Aug 1637 for 1500 acs. and surrendered into the office by sd. Tye, who married the relict of sd. Chene Boys, p. 199. Land bordered Richard Craven. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," p. 186, Book 2, p. 199.
(Bruce Howard):
Patent to David Peobles 833 acres in Charles City County, 5 August 1650. Lyeing up Powells Creek at the head thereof, bounded west upon the Birchin Swamp, south & west upon land of Mr. Richard Tye, northeast upon land of James Ward and north upon the Reedy Swamp. Trans. of 17 persons...
August 12, 1650, Patent to Richard Tye & Charles Sparrowe, 2,500 acs. Chas. City Co., near the head of Powells Creek adjacent to the land called Wyanoke old Town, beg. at certain trees called the Maukes, etc., running south along Tye's old dvdt., west along land held by Thomas Wheeler to the beginning. Trans. of 50 pers. Source: Nugent, "Cavaliers & Pioneers of VA.," p. 198, Book 1, p. 248.
Assembled, April 26th, 1652, Burgesses from: Charles City: Col. Edward Hill, Capt. John Bishopp; York: capt. Fra. Morgan, Hen. Lee, Capt. Austin Warner.
Assembled, November 25th, 1652, Burgesses from: Charles City: Capt. Hen. Perry, Capt. Dan. Liewellin, Major Abraham Woode, Capt. Woodlief, Capt. Charles Sparrow.
Assembled, November 20th, 1654, Burgesses from: Charles City: Col. Edward Hill, Speaker, Capt. Henry Perry, Major Abraham Wood, Stephen Hamlin.
Excerpts from "Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol. X, Charles City County Court Orders, 1655-1658" abstracted by Beverly Fleet, 1961.
April, 1656. Abstract. In full of differences Capt. David Peibils is ordered to pay James Crewes 2640 lb. tobo. "and that the sd Crewes give acct to the sd Ca: Peibils of three hogsheads of tobbo Consigned and intrusted into London to be sold for him."
Charles City County, Court Orders, p. 61. Att a meeting of the militia of Cha: Citty. Com. at Buckland this 25th July 1656. Present: Coll. Edd. Hill Esqr., Capt. Henry Perry Esqr., Mr. Tho: Drewe, Capt. Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Capt. David Peibils. Whereas there are certeine Intelligences brought to us by the King of Weynoke of severall strange Indians w'ch are come from the Northwards to the head of James River w'ch he calls Mastehocks, who (as he Conceives) come to fight the Richohockans by some Certeine Intelligence he hath from some of his own Indians, As also Peter Lee haveing given notice to Major Wood of certeine Indians who have killed severall hogs in the upper parts, upon w'ch notice Major Wood sending out to discover what Indians they were he found by Confident Intelligence that there had beene severall strange Indians upon the head of Swift Creeke, w'ch he Conceived to be Rickohockans; And whereas there are severall other reports of a suddaine Invasion int!
ended by strange Indians w'ch Conduce much to the Disturbance and feares of these frontier Counties; ffor preven'con whereof therefore, and secureing themselves and others in case any such unexpected warr should breake forth, We the Militia above men'coned Do order that there be forthw'th pres't out of Coll. Hills comp. at Martins Brandon 15 men, out of Capt. Peibils his comp' 20, out of Capt. Tyes comp' 10, out of Capt. Epes his comp 10, and out of Maj. Woods comp' 6 men, all to be in readinesse at an howers warning w'th their armes and 12 shott of powder and ball a man for the security of the South side of James river. And for the north side 50 men be raised and in readinesse at an howers warning w'th armes, powder and shott as aforesd. And that any one of the militia shall have power to Command the sd. fiftie where any enemy shall appeare to assault.
Va. Colonial Abstracts, Vol III, Charles City County Court Orders, 1655-1658, p. 173.
"p.71. Att a Cort holden att Westov'r Octobr: 27, 1656. Present: mr Tho: Drewe, Capt Richd Tye, mr Antho: Wyatt, Capt David Peibils, Capt Jo: Epes, Capt Tho: Stegge, mr Cha: Sparrow, Capt Robt Wynne. Ordered that 26 lb tobbo per poll be forthwth Levied and Collected by the present sherr on every tytheable person in this Com being 516 and paid as foll vidz: (in list:) Jo: Stith 1 wolfe 200 lb tobbo
June 3, 1658, Capt. Richd Tye present as a judge at Court held at Merchants Hope. Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 7, C-11, p. 145.
On August 25, 1658, Maj. John Harper, Capt. Thomas Morgan, and Robert Dessell, citizens of the city of Bristol, gave a power of attorney to "John Coggan of the city of Bristol, but now resident in Virginia 'aforesaid, chirurgeon,' to receive certain property belonging to Margaret Bird, administratrix of the goods belonging to Capt. Richard Bond, late of Bristol and Virginia.
Robert Wynne (1622-1678), second husband of Mary Frances Poythress
Att a Co'rt holden att mercht hope 10br: 3rd: 1658. p. 162.
Capt. Jo: Woodleife and Mr. Geo. Potter app. to examine dif betw. Capt. Robt. Wynne for the est. of Mr. John Sloeman dec'd and Mr. ffrancis Epes and Mr. Tho: Epes and report to next court.
Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman sez "The maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only from the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January, 1643/4, when Capt. Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir John Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers of the will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20 s. to buy a mourning ring in his memory..." Dorman footnotes from W&M Qrtly series I, IV, p. 152 "Capt. Pawlett was evidently close to the Epes family...."
December 3, 1658, Att a Court Holden at Mercht Hope 10br 3 1658 "a probat of the last will and testament of Capt. Richd Tye dec'd, this day proved in Co'rt is granted Mrs. Joyce Tye & report to the Court Monday 13th of present month of December. Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 23, C-11, p. 164.
In 1658, Mary West, widow of John Butler, sold to Edward Ardington 150 acres in Charles City, formerly land of Thomas Baylie, bounded on the east by lands lately in the tenure of William Worsham. Referring to the patent to Francis Poythress in 1648, it will be noted that at least part of this grant was in 1658 in the possession of William Worsham.
Att a Co'rt holden at merchts Hope ffebr: 3, 1658/9, p. 173.
Whereas Capt. John Woodleife hath assaulted and threatened Mr. Antho: Wyatt whereby he is in perill of his life: Itt is therefore ordered that the sheriffe require and take good suretyes of the sd. Woodleife for the peace and good abeareing, and for his personall appereance to answer the sd. Mr. Wyatts complt at the next Co'rt the 25th of this present ffebr.
Richard Tye (?-c. 1658)/John Coggin (c. 1620-c. 1698)
Att a co'rt holden att merchts hope Jun: 3: 1659. p. 187. Whereas Capt. Richard Tye att a Co'rt holden in August last at Westover did freely give to the use of this Commonwealth halfe an acre of land at merchts hope for ever (according to his title and tenure) inhereon to build and continue a Co'rt house and prison for the Com use, as by testimony of divers gent of the Comicon doth appe', upon wch land the Co'rt haveing gratefully accepted the sd. offer and guift, hath caused to be erected two howses for the uses aforesd.; This Co'rt doth therefore continue and establish the sd. Donacon to be and continue to this Com use as aforesd.
June 3, 1659, Court held at Merchants Hope "Itt is ordered that Mr. John Cogan who married the relict and exer'x of Capt. Richd Tye dec'd pay to Mr. Tho. Drew the sum of 1313 lb. of good tobbo and cask and 71: 17s 18d sterling money found due by acc assignment from Howell Pryse with costs also exc." Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 37, C-11, p. 185.
July 7, 1659, Charles Sparrow deeds to Elisabeth Tye the eldest dau. of Richd Tye 1,000 acs. of joint patent of 2500 acs. In case of decease of sd. Eliz. during her minority land to decend to survivors or survivor of the orphans of Capt. Richd Tye. Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 55, C-11, p. 259.
Robert Wynne (1622-1678), husband of Mary Frances Poythress
On 9-1-1659 Capt. Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised the perishable estate of the orphans of Capt. David Peebles (Fleet 11-47). [David Peebles' daughter married John Poythress(2), son of Francis Poythress(1)].
Richard Tye (?-c. 1658)/John Coggin (c. 1620-c. 1698)
P. 203, Whereas I Charles Sparrow and Capt. Richard Tye late deceased form'ly tooke up by a Joint pattent 2500 acres of land scituate and being at the old Towne neere mercht hope whereof I acknowledge the sd. Capt. Tye pro'v'd rights for 1,000 acres of the sd. land...Recorded 8th September 1659.
October 10, 1659, Rec. 28 Oct. 1659, John Cogan of Merchants Hope in Chas. City Co. Churgen sells Anthony Wyatt of Chaplins' Choice in same Co., gent. for bond of L240 sterling dated 1 Sept. 1659 "the plantation whereon he now dwelleth 5 negro servants crops etc." Wit: Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 55, C-11, p. 259.
December 3, 1660, Petition of Jno. Cogan, who having paid Thos. Boyce, asking for discharge acknowledged in Court by Boyce. Boyce asks "full satisfaction of all his estate and person from Capt. Richd Tye dec'd." Source: Fleet, Beverly Va. Col. Abstracts Chas. Ct. Volume 1, 1658-61, p. 84, C-11, p. 239.
John Coggin or Coggan, the father of Rebecca Poythress, was an early settler and physician in Charles City. He married (1) a daughter of Gregory Bland; (2) the relict and executrix of Capt. Richard Tye, another early citizen, but it is not known if she were the mother of his children.
John Poythress(2) (c. 1639-1712), son of Francis(1)
In April, 1661, Col. Edward Hill gave to John Poythress, son of Capt. Francis Poythress(1), decd., 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land occupied by Capt. Robert Wynne. (Charles City Co. 1655-1665 273).
Captain Robert Wynne was married to John Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first husband, Francis Poythress(1).
Robert Wynne (1622-1678), husband of Mary Frances Poythress
Assembly of 1661-1676. The Assembly which convened for the first time on March 23d, 1660/61, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years, the last session beginning March 7, 1675/6. Though there was not a general election during this long period, the membership of the House of Burgesses must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and seats made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete lists, 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various persons who were certainly members during other years. Session of December 23, 1662: Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen Hamelyn, Captain Francis Gray.
Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin, who married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and Sarah Barker (1623-1694).
Patent to Patrick Jackson & Richard Baker. 1,500 acres in Charles City County, 18 March, 1662. 950 acres about two miles from the River on back side of Merchants Hope, bounding north upon same, west on land of Richard Craven, south upon the old towne, being the land of Mr. Richard Tye & east upon Thomas Wheeler. 550 acres east upon the upper ponds adjacent his former patent, south upon Craven's land & north upon the Merchants land. Granted to Richard Jones on 12 March 1665 & by him sold to the above named.
John Coggin appears to have been of an unusually pugnacious disposition. According to the Charles City Court Minutes of Feb. 1665, he sued Robert Simonds for assault committed on the person of sd. Coggin, whereby his cheek bone was broken, besides a defect which was occasioned in his eyes." A few days later one Robert Potter deposed that - being in the house of Sarah Potter, there met Mr. Cogan and William Wilkins, betwixt whom passed several words of ill and abusive language given to each other, upon which they fell to collering, in which scuffle the said John Cogan was on the ground flung by William Wilkins, of which fall John Cogan received a black eye and a scar on one of his lips, further the said Wilkins lying on the ground upon John Cogan, a dog of the house seized upon one of the legs of William Wilkins and bit him - the which wound Jno Coggan dressed and gave him medicines to carry with him.
What relationship existed, if any, among the four women, Elizabeth (Littlebury) Epes, Mary Frances (Sloman) Poythress, Katherine (Pawlett) Epes and Mary Butler West? It seems that the property that passed to Littlebury Epes, Anne Green and Rebecca Poythress had something to do with these four women. This relationship will be further developed as we move later into the late 17th century and early 18th century.
Was Anne Green the daughter of Francis'(2) or the daughter of Charles Bartholomew? Was Ann the daughter of Rebecca Poythress' or her step-daughter? What year was Ann born and in what year did she marry Burrell Green? This will be addressed further when we see the 1711 and the 1721deeds.
Were Francis(1), Francis(2) and John Poythress(2) married more than once? John received a gift of land from Edward Hill in 1661. He does not seem to have married Christian Peebles for at least another ten or fifteen years. Francis'(1) daughter, Jane (assuming that she is his daughter), seems to be older than her known siblings.
In the next section, we will see that Joyce and John Coggin were Rebecca Coggin Poythress' parents and that Charles Bartholomew's previous wife was Rebecca Coggin Poythress' half-sister, Frances Tye. John Jane was married to another half-sister, possibly Elizabeth Tye.
Once again, I have tried to eliminate mistakes but hopefully those mistakes that remain are insignificant. Hopefully, there is some new information within these lines that will spark the imagination.
01/15/2004 12:13:23
Why some of us miss part of a discussion
Barbara P. Neal
Each particular email program (under the program's "Preferences") gives
you a choice of whether
(1) you actually include your email address in the "Reply To" field of
messages that you compose,
OR
(2) you don't put any email address in that field.
Neither way is "right" or "wrong" but they do cause different results.
The difference is in whether or not the whole List gets to see any
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If you chose option #1 above, then your "Reply To" address over-rides
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If you chose option #2 above, ALL of us are able to benefit from the
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As an example: perhaps you noticed in Mike Tutor's message of yesterday
that he thanked 3 of us (Lou & Maynard & me) for our responses to his
initial message about the nightmare that Poythress Chronicles can be.
However, all the List only saw 2 responses (sent by Lou & me). This is
because Maynard's reply went only to Mike directly (due to the
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"Reply To" field, and Maynard either wanted to just send his reply
privately to Mike, or perhaps Maynard did not notice that the reply was
not going to the entire List.
Neither way is "right" or "wrong" -- they are just different ways of
handling mail. I just figured some subscribers might not realize why
they sometimes feel like they missed part of some discussion. It's
because they did.
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01/16/2004 7:23:45
The Scots-Irish
John M. Poythress
Couple of days ago a Mr. Paterson gentleman posted on the James River
site what he advertised to be a "short" history of the
Scots-Irish. I found it interesting if very much overlong, I suppose
"short" is relative to War and Peace or something.
He did a reasonable job of it. He seems to not have an axe to grind and
comes across as objective. He (surprisingly) refrains from reminding us
all that the term is "Scots-Irish"; the only thing that is "Scotch" is
the whisky and it's spelled without an "e."
For those interested in the topic of where many Southerners came from or
perhaps with nothing better to do than watch paint dry it's a decent
read. I found the first half quite interesting and then nodded
off...although the very last paragraph is not an overstatement.
Maynard
Raymond Campbell Paterson
The Scots-Irish: The Thirteenth Tribe
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"A man with God is always in the majority"
John Knox
"I love Highlanders, and I love Lowlanders, but when I come to that
branch of our race that has been grafted on to the Ulster stem I take
off my hat in veneration and awe"
Lord Rosebery
Let us begin by asking a simple question-who are the Scots-Irish?
Simple questions very rarely have simple answers, and the answer to this
one is more complex than most. Much depends, moreover, on where in the
world it is posed. In Britain the term is virtually unknown, and most
people would assume that it meant some kind of hybridisation between the
Irish and the Scots. Only the Protestant communities of Northern
Ireland would generally recognise what is meant, though very few would
now accept the designation for themselves, preferring to be described as
British or Ulstermen. Only in North America, where the term was
invented, would one be likely to encounter an immediate recognition; but
even here there are problems. Many of the descendents of the original
Scots-Irish settlers would happily wear kilts and tartan on
commemorative days, though this would have been a shock to their
ancestors, who took particular trouble to distance themselves from all
things Celtic and Gaelic. The task of this article is to attempt what
is always a dangerous endeavour: the separation of myth and reality, and
thus uncover the roots of one of the most remarkable branches of the
Scottish-and Irish-race.
The story begins with an ending. In March 1603, the same month that
James VI of Scotland began James I of England and Ireland, the earls of
Tyrone and Tyrconnel, chiefs of the O'Neills and the O'Donnells, the
leading families of the ancient province of Ulster, surrender to the
English. Thus concluded the Nine Years War, the latest in a long line
of struggles to arrest the steady expansion of English power in Ireland.
It was in Ulster that Celtic Ireland had made its last stand against a
foreign invader, all the more unwelcome because he now came garbed in a
cloak of militant Protestantism, a direct challenge to an ancient
Catholic tradition. It had been a particularly bitter struggle, and
Ulster had been devastated. The northeastern counties of Antrim and
Down, within sight of the coast of Scotland, are described by
contemporary writers as 'all waste'.
For James the conclusion of the Nine Years War came as a welcome
addition to his new glories; it also presented him with a problem and an
opportunity. As a man and a king he was no more sympathetic to Gaelic
traditions and culture than his Tudor predecessors on the English
throne. While still King of Scots he had been preoccupied with the
problems posed by his own minorities in the Highlands and Islands, whom
he once described as 'utterly barbarous.' In the 1590s he had even
sponsored a scheme of internal colonisation or plantation, handing over
the island of Lewis to a party of Lowland adventurers. These men were
to bring civilisation and commerce to the western Isles, in a project
that allowed for the wholesale extermination of the local Gaelic clans.
Faced with the widespread hostility of the Highland communities, the
Lewis plantation was a costly failure: the idea, however, remained fixed
in the royal mind.
In Ulster, unlike the Scottish Highlands, the local people had been
severely demoralised. Plantation was not a new idea in Ireland, but
past schemes had achieved very little. To begin with James showed
little interest in a fresh project but for a series of unusual
opportunities. The first involved two rather shady Lowland
opportunists, the kind of men all too attractive to the enterprising
king. James Hamilton was a university don and a spy; and Sir Hugh
Montgomery, his partner, was an Ayrshire laird. Together they helped
Conn O'Neill, an Irish chieftain, escape from Carrickfergus Castle,
where he had been imprisoned for rioting, and offered to obtain a royal
pardon for him in return for a share of his substantial estates in
Antrim and Down. James, originally hostile to the proposal, became the
fourth partner in the enterprise, no doubt amused by the audacity of
Hamilton and Montgomery. Both men proposed to bring over large parties
of Scots Lowlanders to replenish the depopulated areas, thus reviving
the hitherto discredited idea of plantation. James now had a way of
driving a Lowland, Protestant and English-speaking wedge into the heart
of a Gaelic and Catholic world. In granting Hamilton the territory of
Upper Clandeboy and Great Ardes, James emphasised the intention ".of
inhabiting the same, being now depopulated and wasted, with English and
Scottish men; and the carrying of men, cattle, corn and all other
commodities from England and Scotland into the said territories. Also,
to have liberty to alien [grant] to any English or Scottish men, or of
English and Scottish name and blood, and not to have the mere Irish."
Ireland was formally an English possession, so it was important to
emphasise English as well as Scottish settlement, though for reasons of
geography and temperament, the new plantation was almost exclusively
Scottish, as James himself clearly recognised it would be: 'The Scots
are a middle temper, between the English tender breeding and the Irish
rude breeding and are a great deal more likely to adventure to plant
Ulster than the English.'
Taking the lead of Montgomery and Hamilton, land hungry Scots crossed
the North Channel in ever increasing numbers. What they found would
have daunted all but the hardiest spirits: '.parishes were now more
wasted than America (when the Spanish landed there).for in all those
three parishes [Glenabbey, Donaghdee and Newtonards] thirty cabins could
not be found, nor any stone walls, but ruined roofless churches, and a
few vaults at Grey Abbey, and a stump of an old castle in Newton, in
each of which some gentlemen sheltered themselves at their first coming
over.' But the land was good and largely unfarmed, as the native Irish
economy had been pastoral rather than arable. Settlers were also
encouraged by the promise of long leases, far better than the
unfavourable terms in their native Scotland, where short leases acted as
a disincentive to good husbandry and improvements. Plantation, the
Scots were soon to show, could be made to work, especially when it was
supported by adequate military force.
A second and more significant opportunity came in September 1607.
Although Hugh O'Neil, Earl of Tyrone, and Hugh O'Donnell, Earl of
Tyrconnel, had made their peace with the government some years before,
they had been subject to almost continual harassment by the Dublin
authorities. Fearing for their safety, the two chiefs left for the
continent, never to return, an episode famous in Irish history as 'The
Flight of the Earls.' James now had huge territories in central and
western Ulster: Hamilton and Montgomery's free enterprise scheme was
supplemented by the Plantation of Ulster. Land was granted to men known
as 'undertakers', who pledged themselves to bring over settlers from
England and Scotland; only the more inferior lands were to be allotted
to the native Irish. This time more English settlers began to make an
appearance, though they continued to be numerically weaker than their
Scottish cousins. This is hardly surprising: England was richer and far
more settled than Scotland, and Ireland remained a dangerous frontier.
Native Irish chieftains, deeply resentful of their changing
circumstances, took to the wilds as outlaws, and as 'woodkernes'
represented a real threat to the more isolated settlers, many of whom
were wiped out in midnight raids. The descendants of the Scots migrants
were later to face a similar threat on the American frontier. While the
Irish raiders were tough, the Scots were even tougher. Many of the
early migrants came from the Scottish borders, men with names like
Armstrong, Bell and Elliot, where they had been hardened in an age-old
struggle with the English.
Despite the woodkerns-and the wolves-the Plantation survived and
prospered. In 1634 Sir William Brereton, in a journey through Ayrshire
noted that: 'Above the thousand persons have, within the last two years
past, left the country wherein they lived.and are gone for Ireland.
They have come by one hundred in company through the town, and three
hundred have gone on hence together, shipped for Ireland at one tide."
By 1640 it is estimated that as many as 100,000 Scots had settled in
Ulster compared with some 20,000 migrants from England.
As well as new modes of farming the Scots brought a strict Calvinist
doctrine, which by the late 1630s was taking a firmly Presbyterian
shape, as opposed to the episcopacy favoured by the king. Later in the
century an Anglican opponent of the puritans detailed the impact of
Scottish Presbyterianism on Ulster:
"Hereupon followed the plantation of Ulster, first undertaken by the
city of London, who fortified Coleraine and built Londonderry, and
purchased many thousand acres of land in the parts adjoining. But it
was carried on more vigorously, as most unfortunately withal, by some
adventurers of the Scottish nation who poured themselves into this
country as the richer soil; and, though they were sufficiently
industrious in improving their own fortunes there, and setting up
preaching in all churches wheresoever they fixed, yet whether it
happened for the better or the worse, the event hath showed. For they
brought with them hither such a stock of Puritanism, such as contempt of
bishops, such a neglect of the public liturgy, and other divine offices
of this church, that there was nothing less to be found amongst them
than the government and forms of worship established in the church of
England."
Charles I, James son and successor, in attempting to force Scotland to
accept the English forms of worship, took a path that led directly to
the Civil Wars. This had a profound effect on the Protestant settlers
in Ulster. Although the Scots had originally been made welcome by the
English Lord Deputy in Dublin, their enthusiasm for Presbyterianism made
them politically suspect. Confronted by official hostility they faced
an even greater threat in 1641 when the native Irish rose in revolt,
venting years of frustration on the bewildered and badly frightened
settlers.
The colony survived, though it entered a prolonged period of stagnation
and crisis, which only really came to an end with the defeat of the
Catholic Jacobites in the war of 1689-1691. During the wars the Ulster
Scots had played a full part, assisting, amongst other things, in the
famous siege of Londonderry. Among their rewards they could expect, at
the very least, a measure of religious toleration: after all, the
revolution settlement had at last conceded the right of Scotland to a
Presbyterian church after years of Stewart persecution. But the Ulster
Presbyterians were in caught in a paradox: though the reign of William
of Orange brought a measure of calm, they were still subject to a
religious establishment in Dublin, which remained strictly Anglican in
outlook. During the reign of Queen Anne the Presbyterians, though part
of the victorious Protestant party, were to find themselves just as
outcast as their despised Catholic neighbours.
The successive wars had the effect of once again depopulating the fields
of Ulster: many of the original settlers had been killed or had returned
to Scotland for their own safety. An appeal was made for fresh
settlers, with twenty-year farm leases being held out as bait. Thus
began the last great wave of Scots migration to Ulster. In the decade
up to 1700 an estimated 50,000 people made the crossing. Politically
this last wave was among the most significant, especially for the future
of America and the creation of that unique outlook that was in time to
be known as Scots-Irish.
By 1707, the year that the Scottish parliament merged with its English
cousin, the Protestant colony of Ulster was a hundred years old. The
differences that had existed between the original settlers, whither
Scots or English, had largely ceased to exist. It is now possible to
discover a distinct Protestant Ulster identity, recognisably unique and
distinct from the sources of origin. With the absence of outmoded
feudalism, still present in Scotland, looser kinship ties, and a freer
labour market the Ulster Protestants began to develop in an
unanticipated direction. If anything religion provided the common bond,
rather than race, uniting dissenters of differing faiths, though it is
also true to say that the Scots settlers had acquired a cultural
domination over their English counterparts. Though loyal to the crown,
they were a people who, through decades of adversity, had become self
reliant, and never quite lost the feeling that they were surrounded by a
hostile world: 'They learned from hard experience', one commentator
noted 'that one must fight for what he has; that turning the other cheek
does not guarantee property rights; in short, that might is right, at
least in the matter of life and land ownership.' In the early years of
the eighteenth century they found themselves once again under attack,
though this time from a totally unexpected direction.
In 1704 the government of Queen Anne, dominated by the Anglican High
Church party, passed an act that had a direct bearing on the Ulster
Scots. All office holders were obliged to take communion in the
Established Church, a measure which at a single stroke virtually wiped
out much of the civil administration in the north of Ireland. It was
even seriously suggested that Presbyterian ministers could be brought
before Anglican church courts, charged with fornicating with their own
wives. The worst features of the new legislation was removed by the
Toleration Act of 1719, but the damage had been done, and full
discrimination against the Presbyterians was not finally ended until the
middle of the nineteenth century. The irony and unfairness of the new
policy was pointed out, amongst others, by Daniel Defoe, the author of
Robinson Crusoe:
'It seems somewhat hard, and savours of the most scandalous ingratitude,
that the very people who drank deepest of the popish fury, and were the
most vigorous to show their zeal and their courage in opposing tyranny
and popery, and on the foot of forwardness and valour the Church of
Ireland recovered herself from her low condition, should now be requited
with so injurious a treatment as to be linked with the very Papists they
fought against.There will certainly be no encouragement to the
Dissenters to join with their brethren the next time the Papists shall
please to take arms and attempt their throats. Not but they may be
fools enough as they always were to stand in the gap.'
The Ulster Presbyterians had endured-and survived-past waves of
religious discrimination, and would most likely have continued to thrive
in the face of official hostility. But in the early years of the new
century they were faced with an additional challenge, one that
threatened the whole basis of their economic existence in Ireland. By
1710 most of the farm leases granted to the settlers in the 1690s had
expired; new leases were withheld until the tenants agreed to pay
greatly increased rents, which many could simply not afford to do.
Rather than submit to these new conditions whole communities, led by
their ministers, began to take ship for the Americas: a new exodus was
about to begin. In 1719, the year after the first great wave moved
west, Archbishop William King wrote an account of the migration from
Ulster, pinpointing the real source of the upheaval:
'Some would insinuate that this in some measure is due to the uneasiness
dissenters have in the matter of religion, but this is plainly a
mistake; for dissenters were never more easy as to that matter than they
had been since the Revolution [of 1688] and are at present; and yet
never thought of leaving the kingdom, till oppressed by the excessive
rents and other temporal hardships: nor do any dissenters leave us, but
proportionally of all sorts, except Papists. The truth is this: after
the Revolution, most of the kingdom was waste, and abandoned of people
destroyed in the war: the landlords therefore were glad to get tenants
at any rate, and let their lands at very easy rents; they invited
abundance of people to come over here, especially from Scotland, and
they lived here very happily ever since; but now their leases are
expired, and they are obliged not only to give what they paid before the
Revolution, but in most places double and in many places treble, so that
it is impossible for people to live or subsist on their farms.'
As the years passed thousands of people crossed the Atlantic from
Ulster, just as their ancestors had crossed the North Channel from
Scotland a century or more before. However, by 1750 the pace of
migration began to slow, as relatively normal conditions returned to
Ulster after years of economic dislocation. The period of calm was all
too brief. In 1771 a fresh wave of migration began, once again induced
by the greed of the landlords, which was arguably to have serious
consequences for the security of the British Empire in North America.
Faced with a fresh series of rent hikes, local people at first mounted
some resistance, gathered together in an organisation known as the
Hearts of Steel; but the landlords had the law and the army on their
side. In the short period left before the outbreak of the American
Revolution a further 30,000 Ulstermen left for the colonies, joining
some 200,000 who had already made their homes there earlier in the
century. The contemporary image of the Ulster Protestant is most
commonly that of the Orangeman, with all of his exaggerated loyalty to
Britain and the Crown. For the dispossessed of the 1770s the opposite
was true: they had lost everything, and came to America with an intense
hostility towards all things British.
For the original Quaker and Puritan settlers of the thirteen colonies,
largely English in origin, the emigrants of Ulster, an increasingly
common sight, were usually described as 'Irish.' To counter this
misconception the newcomers adopted the older description of 'Scots'.
It was in this semantic exchange that a new breed took shape: they were
the 'Scots-Irish.' For many years these people had lived on a frontier
in Ireland, and it seemed natural for them to push on to a new frontier,
where land was both plentiful and cheap, introducing a new urgency and
dynamism into a rather complacent colonial society. Before long these
'backwoodsmen', distrustful of all authority and government, had
established a hold on the western wilderness, fighting Indians and
wolves in much the same way that they had once fought wolves and
woodkern. In Pennsylvania the Scots-Irish established an almost
complete domination of the outer reaches of the old Quaker colony. It
was a dangerous life, but one which has established a lasting image in
American history and folklore:
'He was a farmer so far as was needful and practicable out of the reach
of all markets, though as often as not his corn was planted and his
grass mown, with the long-barrelled short-stocked ponderous small-bore
rifle upon which his life so often hung, placed ready and loaded against
a handy stump. What sheep he could protect from the bears and the
wolves, together with a patch of flax, provided his family with covering
and clothing. Swarthy as an Indian and almost as sinewy, with hair
falling to his shoulders from beneath a coon-skin cap, a buck-skin
hunting shirt tied at his waist, his nether man was encased in an Indian
breach-clout, and his feet clad in deer-skin and moccasins.'
With the outbreak of the Revolution in 1775 the Scots-Irish, in
interesting contrast to many of their Scottish cousins, were among the
most determined adherents of the rebel cause. Their frontier skills
were particularly useful in destroying Burgoyne's army in the Saratoga
campaign; and George Washington was even moved to say that if the cause
was lost everywhere else he would take a last stand among the
Scots-Irish of his native Virginia. Serving in the British Army,
Captain Johann Henricks, one of the much despised 'Hessians', wrote in
frustration 'Call it not an American rebellion, it is nothing more than
an Irish-Scotch Presbyterian Rebellion.' It was their toughness,
virility and sense of divine mission that was to help give shape to a
new nation, supplying it with such diverse heroes as Davy Crocket and
Andrew Jackson. They were indeed God's frontiersmen, the real
historical embodiment of the lost tribe of Israel.
01/16/2004 10:09:27
RE: Poythress in Bute
Randy Jones
The document is from the Bute County, North Carolina
deed book.
Bute County, just south of the Virginia line, was
formed from Granville Co. in 1764 and abolished in
1779 when it was divided into Warren Co. and Franklin
Co. The courthouse of Bute Co. was located at a place
called "Buffalo Rice Path" about 6 miles southeast of
present Warrenton, North Carolina. Most of the
records of Bute County are still located in Warren Co.
though some may be found in Franklin Co.
-- Randy Jones
--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Hey, Randy, thanks, that's good information detail
> to have. However, it
> still doesn't pinpoint "Bute".....or is that even
> important?
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress in Bute
>
> Bath Parish (Episcopal) is in Dinwiddie Co., VA.
> Currently, the parish includes Calvary Church in
> Dinwiddie Court House, Church of the Good Shepherd
> in
> McKenney.
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
> --- "John M. Poythress"
> wrote:
> > Wow, Lou, at least I've never seen it (or more
> > likely have forgotten it
> > if I ever did see it). I think your friend Andy
> has
> > turned up a jewel.
> >
> > I think it's interesting to note that phonetically
> > at any rate, one of
> > the 3 spellings (POURTHRESS)is a dead ringer for a
> > Poythress variant.
> >
> > Could someone enlighten me as to what "Bute"
> means.
> > It's not a Virginia
> > County now. And it's unlikely mistaken for "Bath"
> > because one location
> > "Bath" (Parish) that is cited elsewhere in the
> > document would appear to
> > be clear. And it wouldn't likely be Bath County
> > because that's way
> > north and on the western edge of the valley. It
> > looks like there was
> > (then at any rate) a Virginia county named Bute.
> > News to me (but a lot
> > of things are).
> >
> > Great find, Lou. Pass along our thanks to Andy,
> > would you.
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:56 AM
> > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: FW: Poythress in Bute
> >
> > I apologize if this is old news for everybody
> else,
> > but I don't think
> > I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me
> by
> > someone who knew I
> > was interested in the Poythress family. (and
> notice
> > the creative
> > spelling )
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're
> > following? -andy
> >
> > BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR,
> > Surviving Exr. of
> > CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish
> of
> > Bath, Dinwiddie
> > Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County.
> > Having qualified as
> > Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17,
> > Certificate recorded
> > in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~,
> > of Dinwiddie Co.,
> > sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj.
> > HAWKINS, to JOHN
> > REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET
> died
> > before this
> > transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold
> > 320 A. of this land
> > to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE
> REES.
> > Now it is agreed
> > that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL,
> > for the 45 Pds. Va.
> > money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by
> > sd. HOWELL. Wit:
> > JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE,
> ABNER
> > GRIGG,JR. Proved
> > by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN
> > McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
> > Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
> >
> >
> >
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Michael Tutor
01/17/2004 2:03:32
RE: Poythress in Bute
John M. Poythress
Wow, Lou, at least I've never seen it (or more likely have forgotten it
if I ever did see it). I think your friend Andy has turned up a jewel.
I think it's interesting to note that phonetically at any rate, one of
the 3 spellings (POURTHRESS)is a dead ringer for a Poythress variant.
Could someone enlighten me as to what "Bute" means. It's not a Virginia
County now. And it's unlikely mistaken for "Bath" because one location
"Bath" (Parish) that is cited elsewhere in the document would appear to
be clear. And it wouldn't likely be Bath County because that's way
north and on the western edge of the valley. It looks like there was
(then at any rate) a Virginia county named Bute. News to me (but a lot
of things are).
Great find, Lou. Pass along our thanks to Andy, would you.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: FW: Poythress in Bute
I apologize if this is old news for everybody else, but I don't think
I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by someone who knew I
was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice the creative
spelling )
Lou
Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're following? -andy
BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR, Surviving Exr. of
CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of Bath, Dinwiddie
Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County. Having qualified as
Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17, Certificate recorded
in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~, of Dinwiddie Co.,
sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj. HAWKINS, to JOHN
REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died before this
transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold 320 A. of this land
to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES. Now it is agreed
that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL, for the 45 Pds. Va.
money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by sd. HOWELL. Wit:
JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER GRIGG,JR. Proved
by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
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01/17/2004 3:20:57
RE: Poythress in Bute
John M. Poythress
Hey, Randy, thanks, that's good information detail to have. However, it
still doesn't pinpoint "Bute".....or is that even important?
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:59 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress in Bute
Bath Parish (Episcopal) is in Dinwiddie Co., VA.
Currently, the parish includes Calvary Church in
Dinwiddie Court House, Church of the Good Shepherd in
McKenney.
-- Randy Jones
--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Wow, Lou, at least I've never seen it (or more
> likely have forgotten it
> if I ever did see it). I think your friend Andy has
> turned up a jewel.
>
> I think it's interesting to note that phonetically
> at any rate, one of
> the 3 spellings (POURTHRESS)is a dead ringer for a
> Poythress variant.
>
> Could someone enlighten me as to what "Bute" means.
> It's not a Virginia
> County now. And it's unlikely mistaken for "Bath"
> because one location
> "Bath" (Parish) that is cited elsewhere in the
> document would appear to
> be clear. And it wouldn't likely be Bath County
> because that's way
> north and on the western edge of the valley. It
> looks like there was
> (then at any rate) a Virginia county named Bute.
> News to me (but a lot
> of things are).
>
> Great find, Lou. Pass along our thanks to Andy,
> would you.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: FW: Poythress in Bute
>
> I apologize if this is old news for everybody else,
> but I don't think
> I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by
> someone who knew I
> was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice
> the creative
> spelling )
>
> Lou
>
> Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're
> following? -andy
>
> BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR,
> Surviving Exr. of
> CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of
> Bath, Dinwiddie
> Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County.
> Having qualified as
> Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17,
> Certificate recorded
> in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~,
> of Dinwiddie Co.,
> sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj.
> HAWKINS, to JOHN
> REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died
> before this
> transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold
> 320 A. of this land
> to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES.
> Now it is agreed
> that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL,
> for the 45 Pds. Va.
> money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by
> sd. HOWELL. Wit:
> JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER
> GRIGG,JR. Proved
> by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN
> McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
> Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
>
>
>
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01/17/2004 4:20:53
RE: Poythress in Bute
John M. Poythress
Duhhhhh.. Thanks, Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:55 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress in Bute
The document is from the Bute County, North Carolina
deed book.
Bute County, just south of the Virginia line, was
formed from Granville Co. in 1764 and abolished in
1779 when it was divided into Warren Co. and Franklin
Co. The courthouse of Bute Co. was located at a place
called "Buffalo Rice Path" about 6 miles southeast of
present Warrenton, North Carolina. Most of the
records of Bute County are still located in Warren Co.
though some may be found in Franklin Co.
-- Randy Jones
01/17/2004 5:21:11
RE: Poythress in Bute
JLP
"Bute" is a reference to Bute County, NC. Sorry for not mentioning
that.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:21 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress in Bute
Wow, Lou, at least I've never seen it (or more likely have forgotten
it if I ever did see it). I think your friend Andy has turned up a
jewel.
I think it's interesting to note that phonetically at any rate, one of
the 3 spellings (POURTHRESS)is a dead ringer for a Poythress variant.
Could someone enlighten me as to what "Bute" means. It's not a
Virginia County now. And it's unlikely mistaken for "Bath" because
one location "Bath" (Parish) that is cited elsewhere in the document
would appear to be clear. And it wouldn't likely be Bath County
because that's way north and on the western edge of the valley. It
looks like there was
(then at any rate) a Virginia county named Bute. News to me (but a
lot
of things are).
Great find, Lou. Pass along our thanks to Andy, would you.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: FW: Poythress in Bute
I apologize if this is old news for everybody else, but I don't think
I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by someone who knew I
was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice the creative
spelling )
Lou
Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're following? -andy
BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR, Surviving Exr. of
CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of Bath, Dinwiddie
Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County. Having qualified as
Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17, Certificate recorded
in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~, of Dinwiddie Co.,
sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj. HAWKINS, to JOHN
REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died before this
transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold 320 A. of this land
to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES. Now it is agreed
that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL, for the 45 Pds. Va.
money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by sd. HOWELL. Wit:
JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER GRIGG,JR. Proved
by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
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01/17/2004 5:57:43
Re: FW: Poythress in Bute
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Lou, for posting that. I don't recall offhand having
seen it before.
Bute County was the name of an early county in North Carolina, but the
name was "disestablished." According to Helen Leary's excellent book,
NORTH CAROLINA RESEARCH, most of the Bute Co records are in Warren
County, NC.
Thanks again,
BPN
1/17/2004 JLP wrote:
> I apologize if this is old news for everybody else, but I don't think
> I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by someone who knew I
> was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice the creative
> spelling )
>
> Lou
>
> Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're following? -andy
>
> BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR, Surviving Exr. of
> CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of Bath, Dinwiddie
> Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County. Having qualified as
> Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17, Certificate recorded
> in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~, of Dinwiddie Co.,
> sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj. HAWKINS, to JOHN
> REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died before this
> transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold 320 A. of this land
> to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES. Now it is agreed
> that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL, for the 45 Pds. Va.
> money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by sd. HOWELL. Wit:
> JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER GRIGG,JR. Proved
> by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
> Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
>
>
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01/17/2004 7:12:25
FW: Poythress in Bute
JLP
I apologize if this is old news for everybody else, but I don't think
I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by someone who knew I
was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice the creative
spelling )
Lou
Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're following? -andy
BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR, Surviving Exr. of
CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of Bath, Dinwiddie
Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County. Having qualified as
Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17, Certificate recorded
in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~, of Dinwiddie Co.,
sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj. HAWKINS, to JOHN
REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died before this
transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold 320 A. of this land
to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES. Now it is agreed
that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL, for the 45 Pds. Va.
money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by sd. HOWELL. Wit:
JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER GRIGG,JR. Proved
by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
01/17/2004 12:55:48
RE: Poythress in Bute
Randy Jones
Bath Parish (Episcopal) is in Dinwiddie Co., VA.
Currently, the parish includes Calvary Church in
Dinwiddie Court House, Church of the Good Shepherd in
McKenney.
-- Randy Jones
--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Wow, Lou, at least I've never seen it (or more
> likely have forgotten it
> if I ever did see it). I think your friend Andy has
> turned up a jewel.
>
> I think it's interesting to note that phonetically
> at any rate, one of
> the 3 spellings (POURTHRESS)is a dead ringer for a
> Poythress variant.
>
> Could someone enlighten me as to what "Bute" means.
> It's not a Virginia
> County now. And it's unlikely mistaken for "Bath"
> because one location
> "Bath" (Parish) that is cited elsewhere in the
> document would appear to
> be clear. And it wouldn't likely be Bath County
> because that's way
> north and on the western edge of the valley. It
> looks like there was
> (then at any rate) a Virginia county named Bute.
> News to me (but a lot
> of things are).
>
> Great find, Lou. Pass along our thanks to Andy,
> would you.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: FW: Poythress in Bute
>
> I apologize if this is old news for everybody else,
> but I don't think
> I've ever seen this record before... Sent to me by
> someone who knew I
> was interested in the Poythress family. (and notice
> the creative
> spelling )
>
> Lou
>
> Lou, isn't the Poythress family one that you're
> following? -andy
>
> BUTE DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR,
> Surviving Exr. of
> CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of
> Bath, Dinwiddie
> Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County.
> Having qualified as
> Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17,
> Certificate recorded
> in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER WOODLE~,
> of Dinwiddie Co.,
> sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek, adj.
> HAWKINS, to JOHN
> REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET died
> before this
> transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold
> 320 A. of this land
> to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES.
> Now it is agreed
> that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL,
> for the 45 Pds. Va.
> money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by
> sd. HOWELL. Wit:
> JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER
> GRIGG,JR. Proved
> by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN
> McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i
> Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
>
>
>
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01/17/2004 12:58:52
FW: FW: Poythress in Bute
JLP
Another Bute County, NC, deed that mentions Charles Poythress
(spelling's getting better ), from my friend Andy:
Here's one more in the Bute Deed books that refers back to the one I
sent before. There is nothing else that mentions Poythress as far as I
can see. -andy
DB-5. page 27. 23 October 1773. ISAAC HOWELL to HENRY FITTZ, both of
Dinwiddie Co. (Va.?) 100 Pds. Current money for 322 A. in Bute Co. on
BS Hawtree Creek, adj. JOSHUA ELLIS, TRAVICE REESE & JOHN JONES
(formerly YOUNG), land which was sold to CHARLES POYTHERESS, of
Dinwiddie Co., by JOHN HAWKINS. Wit: HEN. STURDIVANT, TRAVESS REES,
EPHRAIM ELLIS, WILLIAM ELLIS, Proved by EPHRAIM ELLIS, Bute August
Court 1774, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: 8 September 1774, by JAMES
JOHNSON, P.R.
01/18/2004 1:07:00
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Michael Tutor
01/18/2004 3:00:23
RE: Matthew Poythress Covington
JLP
Sure can! But this is going to take some explaining.... Matthew "P"
or "D" Covington was the first son of John Covington and Hannah
Dockery. He was born in Queen Anne's Co. Md. On 24 Jan 1760, and died
in 1839 in Carroll Co., TN. He first married Sarah (Sallie)
Covington, his first cousin.
John Covington was the one who married as his second wife on 26 July
1770, Nancy WALL, the latter who was the daughter of John Wall, Jr.,
and Ann POYTHRESS.
One researcher, who I trust, states that the middle initial in
Matthew's name is a "D" (for Dockery?). He has seen the original of
his birth record.
But it is apparently hard to read, and others have decided that it's a
"P". When you get into the Covington family, and in fact into a
number of the families from whom I descend from the area of
Anson/Montgomery/Richmond/Stanly County, NC, you will find real
genealogical messes caused by people who did very sloppy work in the
1930s and 1940s. The name "Poythress" DOES appear as a middle name
among some of John Covington's and Nancy Walls' descendants. But it
seems to me to be very impossible and very improbable that the first
son of John Covington, by his first wife, Hannah Dockery, from Queen
Anne County, Maryland, no less, would have a middle name of
"Poythress."
Judy, what you have found is another example of the garbage that is
out there on the net, just repeating over and over again the same old
bad information. But at least you will hopefully have a better
explanation of how it came to be.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy A Scruggs [mailto:jas942@direcway.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:29 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Matthew Poythress Covington
Maynard, Barbara & All,
While checking some ancestry sites for Wayne's family on his mother's
Harger side I ran across this. There is a Covington who is related to
the Hargers & Andersons & I was checking her page and found this. The
exact spelling as you see it.
Matthew Poythress Covington was the Colonial Surveyor for King George
III. He joined the Continental Army & was captured by the British. He
made his escape & was later appointed to set up the North Carolina
Military Academy.
( I think this was about 1788 ) Does this name ring a bell with anyone
?
Judy Speed scruggs
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www.poythress.net
01/18/2004 11:15:37
RE: Matthew Poythress Covington
JLP
Should have included in my explanation that insofar as I know there is
NO record where Matthew's middle name appears. All the record
abstracts I have seen just show a middle initial, and it's about
equally split between "D" and "P". I think people have simply
(creatively) filled in the name based on the assumption that I tried
to explain. Very, very sloppy work, indeed.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Matthew Poythress Covington
Sure can! But this is going to take some explaining.... Matthew "P"
or "D" Covington was the first son of John Covington and Hannah
Dockery. He was born in Queen Anne's Co. Md. On 24 Jan 1760, and died
in 1839 in Carroll Co., TN. He first married Sarah (Sallie)
Covington, his first cousin.
John Covington was the one who married as his second wife on 26 July
1770, Nancy WALL, the latter who was the daughter of John Wall, Jr.,
and Ann POYTHRESS.
One researcher, who I trust, states that the middle initial in
Matthew's name is a "D" (for Dockery?). He has seen the original of
his birth record.
But it is apparently hard to read, and others have decided that it's a
"P". When you get into the Covington family, and in fact into a
number of the families from whom I descend from the area of
Anson/Montgomery/Richmond/Stanly County, NC, you will find real
genealogical messes caused by people who did very sloppy work in the
1930s and 1940s. The name "Poythress" DOES appear as a middle name
among some of John Covington's and Nancy Walls' descendants. But it
seems to me to be very impossible and very improbable that the first
son of John Covington, by his first wife, Hannah Dockery, from Queen
Anne County, Maryland, no less, would have a middle name of
"Poythress."
Judy, what you have found is another example of the garbage that is
out there on the net, just repeating over and over again the same old
bad information. But at least you will hopefully have a better
explanation of how it came to be.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy A Scruggs [mailto:jas942@direcway.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:29 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Matthew Poythress Covington
Maynard, Barbara & All,
While checking some ancestry sites for Wayne's family on his mother's
Harger side I ran across this. There is a Covington who is related to
the Hargers & Andersons & I was checking her page and found this. The
exact spelling as you see it.
Matthew Poythress Covington was the Colonial Surveyor for King George
III. He joined the Continental Army & was captured by the British. He
made his escape & was later appointed to set up the North Carolina
Military Academy.
( I think this was about 1788 ) Does this name ring a bell with anyone
?
Judy Speed scruggs
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01/18/2004 11:22:58
Matthew Poythress Covington
Judy A Scruggs
Maynard, Barbara & All,
While checking some ancestry sites for Wayne's family on his mother's Harger side I ran across this. There is a Covington who is related to the Hargers & Andersons & I was checking her page and found this. The exact spelling as you see it.
Matthew Poythress Covington was the Colonial Surveyor for King George III. He joined the Continental Army & was captured by the British. He made his escape & was later appointed to set up the North Carolina Military Academy.
( I think this was about 1788 ) Does this name ring a bell with anyone ?
Judy Speed scruggs
01/18/2004 11:29:23
Fw: Poythress/Covington
Judy A Scruggs
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy A Scruggs
To: Poythress list
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Poythress/Covington
Hi,
I just found more.
Matthew Poythress Covington's father was John Covington b. 1734 at Queen Annes Co. Md. Died 1809 at Rockingham,
N.C. at age 75. Married 1st Oct.8, 1758 to Hannah Dockery.
Married 2nd to Nancy Love Wall. Hannah was Matthew's Mother. Matthew's full name. Matthew Patten Poythress Covington. He had a son Daniel Asbury Boone Covington who was married to Mary Elizabeth Horton. They had a daughter Julia Ann Covington.
Judy
01/19/2004 1:45:32
RE: Poythress/Covington
JLP
I just gets worse... Nancy Wall was just that: Nancy Wall. The
"Love" comes in because some early researchers thought her last name
was "Love". For a number of years people tried to resolve the issue
by listing her as Nancy Love/Wall (meaning they didn't know which was
her last name). And now someone has removed the "/" to make her Nancy
Love Wall. (Lord, save me from Internet genealogists!)
And now I also see the same thing has been done with Matthew. In the
past some people had speculated that his middle initial, which they
read as a "P", stood for Patten/Patton (I have no idea where that
comes from). As I tried to explain yesterday, other folks who read
the middle initial as "P" tried to extrapolate it as "Poythress,"
despite the fact that the Poythress alliance didn't come about until
after Mathew was born. I do not think there's a single extant record
where his middle name is spelled out, so there is no way anyone can
know what that middle initial stood for, whether it's read as a "D" or
a "P". But one thing I can tell you with absolute certainty: he WAS
NOT Mathew PATTEN POYTHRESS Covington!!!
All of this, of course, is caused by people who do no research of real
records. This is the result of database filler-in'ners, who have no
idea of the accuracy of their data, and who resolve conflicts by
adding them together. A very sad state of genealogy...
Lou Poole
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy A Scruggs
To: Poythress list
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Poythress/Covington
Hi,
I just found more.
Matthew Poythress Covington's father was John Covington b. 1734 at
Queen Annes Co. Md. Died 1809 at Rockingham, N.C. at age 75. Married
1st Oct.8, 1758 to Hannah Dockery. Married 2nd to Nancy Love Wall.
Hannah was Matthew's Mother. Matthew's full name. Matthew Patten
Poythress Covington. He had a son Daniel Asbury Boone Covington who
was married to Mary Elizabeth Horton. They had a daughter Julia Ann
Covington. Judy
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01/19/2004 2:08:20
Re: Wall Family CD
Barbara P. Neal
Steve, the CD arrived safely. You did a fine job on it. Thanks so much.
Barbara (BPN)
SteveW602@aol.com wrote:
> I'll send one on Monday. No charge, just keep listening......
> Steve Wall
01/19/2004 5:11:28
1773 Bute Co, NC deed & Charles Poythress of Dinwiddie Co, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Lou. The 1773 Bute Co, NC deed that your friend Andy
found, below, clarifies *where* in VA (Dinwiddie Co) the Charles
Poythress lived, who was party to the 1751 Granville Co, NC deed that I
transcribed last week (John Hawkins to Charles Poythress, for when
Charles purchased the land now being sold in the Bute deed, below). Nice
to know, since the Granville 1751 deed had only said that Charles was
"of Virginia."
It clarifies for me, too, that the "Hawkins Creek" (as I had originally
mis-transcribed creek due to the terrible handwriting of the 1751 deed)
was really "Hawtree Creek." I will correct that in my next version of
the transcription of the 1751 deed. (By the way, I hope to soon have a
copy of the next consecutive page of that 1751 record, where it had
appeared the record had continued for a bit more.)
And from Andy's earlier find of the 1772 Bute Co deed (in your 1/17/2004
message captioned "FW: Poythress in Bute") we also know when & where
Charles died, pinpointing him even better.
Please thank Andy for me. I appreciate his & your great work in getting
both of these helpful Bute Co items to us all.
BPN
1/18/2004 JLP wrote in message captioned "FW: FW: Poythress in Bute"
>
> Another Bute County, NC, deed that mentions Charles Poythress
> (spelling's getting better ), from my friend Andy:
>
> Here's one more in the Bute Deed books that refers back to the one I
> sent before. There is nothing else that mentions Poythress as far as I
> can see. -andy
>
> DB-5. page 27. 23 October 1773. ISAAC HOWELL to HENRY FITTZ, both of
> Dinwiddie Co. (Va.?) 100 Pds. Current money for 322 A. in Bute Co. on
> BS Hawtree Creek, adj. JOSHUA ELLIS, TRAVICE REESE & JOHN JONES
> (formerly YOUNG), land which was sold to CHARLES POYTHERESS, of
> Dinwiddie Co., by JOHN HAWKINS. Wit: HEN. STURDIVANT, TRAVESS REES,
> EPHRAIM ELLIS, WILLIAM ELLIS, Proved by EPHRAIM ELLIS, Bute August
> Court 1774, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: 8 September 1774, by JAMES
> JOHNSON, P.R.
01/20/2004 5:17:56
1825 Deed Granville Co, NC
Barbara P. Neal
Sarah photocopied this deed at the Granville County, North Carolina
Courthouse in Oxford, NC. It is from Deed Book 2, 1823-1826 (Vol. #1 of
the N-Z section), pages 342-343. In my below transcription, any square
brackets contain my own notations. Spelling is as in the original. The
clerk consistently spelled Littleberry's surname as "Paytress"
throughout, rather than Poytress or Poythress.
Barbara Poythress Neal, 20 January 2004
Gabriel Jones to Littlebery H. Paytress
This deed of Indenture made and entered into this 23rd day of July in
the year A.D. 1825 Between Gabriel Jones of the County of Granville,
State of No. Carolina of the one part and Littleberry H. Paytress of the
said County & State of the other part. Witnesseth that the said Gabriel
Jones for and in Consideration of the sum of one Hundred Sixty Eight
dollars & 75 Cents to him in hand paid by the said Paytress the Receipt
whereof he doth hereby acknowledge and Hath given granted bargained sold
aliened inprossed[?] and conveyed and doth by these presents give,
grant, bargain, sell, alien inpross[?] & Confirm unto him the said
Littlebery H. Paytress and to his heirs and assigns forever one Certain
Tract or parcel of land situated lying and being in the County aforesaid
and on the waters of Aarons Creek and bounded as follows To wit Begining
at a corner Red oak in Maurace[?] Smith's line then S 87-1/2 [degrees] W
181-1/2 poles to a Corner pointers in Wiley Roysters line thence along
his line and South 127 pole to a new Corner pointers in said Roysters
line thence a new line due East 180 poles to a new Corner pointers
thence due North 140 poles to the begining Containing one Hundred &
fifty acres be the same more or Less within said Boundarys To Have and
To Hold the aforesaid Tract or parcel of land Together with all and
every thing hereunto belonging, unto him the said Littleberry Paytress
and to his heirs & assigns forever, and the said Gabriel Jones doth by
these presents warrant and forever defend the Right and Title of the
aforesaid land & premises against the Claims or demands of all and every
person or persons whatsoever. In Testimony whereof he hath Hereunto set
His Hand & seal this day and date first written. signed sealed &
acknowledged in presence of
David T. Young Gabriel Jones (L.S.)
Thomas Pittard
State of N.Carolina
Granville County ~ Aug't Court A.D. 1825
The [?]tion of the foregoing deed was duly acknowledged in open Court
by Gabriel Jones and ordered to be Registered.
Witness [first name possibly abbreviation for Stephen?] R.Sneed, Clk
Duly Registered by L.Gilliam, P.C.
01/20/2004 6:50:07
LOL
John M. Poythress
On the way to town this morning I saw a personalized Kentucky license
plate saying only: SAPONI.
I could only speculate that one of our descendent cousins might have
somehow gotten misdirected and wound
up in the "dark and bloody ground." (Wyandotte translation for
"Kentucky").
Maynard
01/20/2004 7:27:41
1826 Granville Co, NC deed selling land acquired in 1825
Barbara P. Neal
Sarah photocopied this deed at the Granville County, North Carolina
Courthouse in Oxford, NC. It is from Deed Book 3, 1826-1829, pages
121-122. In my below transcription, any square brackets contain my own
notations. Spelling is as in the original. The clerk consistently
spelled Littleberry's surname as "Portress" throughout, after the
header, rather than as Poytress or Poythress.
Barbara Poythress Neal, 20 January 2004
Littleberry H. Partress To John Hester
This Deed of Indenture made & ordered into this the 21st[?] day of
October in the year of our Lord 1826 Between Littleberry H. Portress of
the County of Granville & State of North Carolina of the one part & John
Hester of the same County and State of the other part. Witnesseth that
the said Littleberry H. Portress for and in Consideration of the sum of
Two Hundred & Twenty five Dollars to him in hand paid by the said John
Hester the Receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge and hath given
granted bargained sold aliened Enprossed[?] & Confirmed and doth by
these presents give grant bargain Sell alien Enpross[?] and Confirm unto
him the said John Hester & to His Heirs & assigns forever one certain
Tract or parcel of Land situate lying & being in the County aforesaid
and on the waters of Aarons Creek & Bounded as follows to wit Begining
at a Corner Red oak in Maurace[?] Smiths line thence S 87-1/2 [degrees]
W 181-1/2 poles to a Corner pointers in Wiley Roysters line thence
thence[sic] along his line due South 127 poles to a new Corner pointers
in said Roysters line thence a new line due East 180 poles to a new
Corner pointers thence due North 140 poles to the Begining Containing
one hundred & fifty acres be the same more or Less within said Boundarys
To Have & to hold the aforesaid Tract or parcel of Land Together with
all and every thing thereunto belonging, unto him the said John Hester
and to his heirs and assigns forever & the said Littleberry H. Portress
doth by these presents warrant & forever defend the right & Title of the
aforesaid Land & premises against the claim or demands of all & every
person or persons whatsoever. In Testimony whereof he hath hereunto set
his hand and seal the day and date first above written Signed Sealed &
acknowledged in presence of
Allen Y. Wilkerson
D. L. Wilkerson ~ Littleberry H. Portress (L.S.)
State of North Carolina
Granville County ~ Nov'r Court A.D. 1826
The [?]tion of the foregoing deed was duly proven on oath in open Court
by David L. Wilkerson one of the subscribing witnesses thereto and
ordered to be Registered.
Witness [probably abbreviation for Stephen?] R.Sneed, Clk
Duly Reg. by L.Gilliam, P.C.
01/20/2004 7:34:55
Poythress Cleaton's Will
Barbara P. Neal
I'm not where I can look in the below-mentioned Katherine Elliott book,
but I was interested to stumble across this item today (pasted below)
from our Poythress-List, over 6 years ago. I had totally forgotten about
this mention that Maynard had found back then.
From the below message from Maynard in Aug. 1997, it looks like that
1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax record that we discussed
last week DID in fact refer to a man named Poythress Cleaton/Clayton.
Which of course means that there was indeed a Poythress/Cleaton
connection long before Meredith Poythress married Edith Cleaton in 1781.
BPN
= = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Cleaton
I think the board already has this but I'll put it up to be sure.
From Katherine Elliott's "Early Wills (1765-1799) Mecklenburg County" :
Cleaton, Poythress pg. 70 (no book cited)
Inventory and appraisal of the estate of Poythress Cleaton, deceased.
Appraisers: John Eppes, Charles Coppedge, John Smith.
Date 25 Sep 1783 Recorded 9 Aug 1784
Since Meredith Poythress married Edith Cleaton in 1781 this implies
(as I think has already been pointed out) a Poythress/Cleaton connection
that ante dates the marriage of Edith and Meredith by two generations.
Maynard
01/21/2004 4:09:58
RE: Poythress Cleaton's Will
John M. Poythress
Barbara, I would have never bought that one in a thousand years absent
the one thing "found." If Poythress Cleaton is dying in 1783 and has an
estate I guess he can't be stirred (directly anyway) into the mix of a
Meredith Poythress marrying Edith Cleaton in 1781. And he can't "die
again" in 1828 so he surely isn't Cleaton (Cleton)Poythress.
Since this appears to be all we have found (and perhaps ever will find)
it may be in a sense good news. Sure we want his "role" in the picture.
But at least he is a "peripheral" guy of sorts and doesn't crowd in on
the "line" of Thomas' sons George, Meredith, Lewis, etc. if he is indeed
a "Cleaton."
(And I can't believe I hung it up there in the first place and then
forgot it....brain dead for sure )
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:10 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Cleaton's Will
I'm not where I can look in the below-mentioned Katherine Elliott book,
but I was interested to stumble across this item today (pasted below)
from our Poythress-List, over 6 years ago. I had totally forgotten about
this mention that Maynard had found back then.
From the below message from Maynard in Aug. 1997, it looks like that
1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax record that we discussed
last week DID in fact refer to a man named Poythress Cleaton/Clayton.
Which of course means that there was indeed a Poythress/Cleaton
connection long before Meredith Poythress married Edith Cleaton in 1781.
BPN
= = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Cleaton
I think the board already has this but I'll put it up to be sure.
From Katherine Elliott's "Early Wills (1765-1799) Mecklenburg County"
:
Cleaton, Poythress pg. 70 (no book cited)
Inventory and appraisal of the estate of Poythress Cleaton, deceased.
Appraisers: John Eppes, Charles Coppedge, John Smith.
Date 25 Sep 1783 Recorded 9 Aug 1784
Since Meredith Poythress married Edith Cleaton in 1781 this implies
(as I think has already been pointed out) a Poythress/Cleaton connection
that ante dates the marriage of Edith and Meredith by two generations.
Maynard
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01/21/2004 10:01:47
Re: Wall Family CD
Thanks, barbara. Unfortunately I forgot to keep a copy of your address. If you'll send it to me again I'll send you revisions of the CD as we get more information/corrections.
STeve
01/25/2004 12:38:48
Gilliam
John M. Poythress
Below from the PG Rootsweb board. Do we still have a Gilliam chaser?
Maynard
Message Board Post:
I have information on Reuben Meriwether Gilliam's Meriwether ancestry,
but note indicate he died unmarried. Would be interested in
corresponding on this.
Joe Oglesby
The Meriwether Society, Inc.
http://MeriwetherSociety.org
01/26/2004 2:20:51
Fwd: Re: Gilliam
Randy Jones
Below is an interesting response I received back from
my source about Reuben Meriwether Gilliam.
--- GreGilliam@aol.com wrote:
> From: GreGilliam@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:48:25 EST
> Subject: Re: Gilliam
> To: randyj2222@yahoo.com
>
> Randy,
> According to the R. Bolling Batte papers at the
> Library of Virginia.
> Gilliam Card Set L-
> Cards 52 and 53.
> Batte had Reuben as unmarried. He then scratched
> that comment out and wrote
> Maria Turnbull.
> The backside lists the following descendants.
>
> I have found Batte to be very reliable. I have only
> found a couple of errors
> and they would have been caught I feel sure if he
> had "computerized."
>
>
> Also see the book,
> Philip J. Schwarz. Migrants against Slavery:
> Virginians and the Nation.
> (Carter G. Woodson Institute Series in Black
> Studies.) Charlottesville: University
> Press of Virginia. 2001. Pp. xii, 250. $38.50.
> This is from a Schwarz review.
> Schwarz hypothesizes that had free blacks stayed in
> Virginia, they may have
> pressed to retain their rights, but at the cost of a
> subordinate
> socioeconomic status as well as the risk of physical
> violence. A good
> example of a free person of color (Schwarz's term)
> who believed he would
> fare better outside Virginia was George T. Gilliam.
> Born of a white father
> and a black mother, Gilliam was one-fourth black but
> appeared to be
> white. In Virginia, the law considered him to be
> black. He owned land,
> slaves, and enjoyed connections to the local gentry
> through his
> father. Following the Nat Turner revolt in 1831,
> Gilliam moved to
> Pennsylvania, and then to Illinois, and eventually
> to Missouri. When he
> left Virginia, he left his black identity behind and
> began passing as a
> white man, something he could not do in Virginia.
> His children also
> entered white society, particularly those of his
> second wife, who was
> white. To his children of this latter union, George
> Gilliam was a
> respected white doctor and abolitionist. This
> belief was the product of a
> conscious effort by Gilliam to limit the number of
> people who knew of his
> African-American roots. To achieve this passing
> into white society, George
> Gilliam had to leave Virginia.
>
>
> (1) 1 Reuben Meriwether GILLIAM
> b. ca 1767, Petersburg, VA
> d. aft 1820
> & Maria TURNBULL
> d. bef 1810, Prince George County, VA
> (2) 1.1a Dr. George Torrence GILLIAM*
> b. 28 Feb 1801
> d. 1882
> & Eliza Ann WATKINS
> d. 1838
> m. 4 Dec 1823, Prince George County, VA
> (3) 1.1a.1 Henrietta GILLIAM
> b. abt 1832
> & Mr. ADDINGTON
> (2) 1.1b Dr. George Torrence GILLIAM*
> b. 28 Feb 1801
> d. 1882
> & Frances SAINT
> d. bef 1880
> m. abt 1847
> (3) 1.1b.1 George Torrence GILLIAM
> b. 4 Mar 1854
> d. 27 Mar 1913
> (4) 1.1b.1.1a Jessie GILLIAM*
> b. 17 Feb 1883
> & J. A. HANTER
> m. 1904
> (4) 1.1b.1.1b Jessie GILLIAM*
> b. 17 Feb 1883
> & William Frederick SCHMIDT
> m. abt 1926
> (3) 1.1b.2 Sarah GILLIAM
> b. abt 1860
>
>
> From the Internet I have the following
> Silvia "Silvie" Turnbull (African American) who was
> involved with my GGG
> Grandfather, Reuben Meriwether Gilliam of Richmond.
> Together,
> they had my GG Grandfather, George Torrance Gilliam,
> Reuben Jr., possibly
> Charles, and William. Daughters are unknown.
>
> George Torrance Gilliam ("free person of color")
> married Eliza Ann Watkins
> ("free person of color") in 1823, Chesterfield Co.,
> VA. Eliza Ann's parents
> were mother Nancy Jenkins Batte, who was married in
> 1815 to stepfather Archibald
> Batte ("free black") of Bermuda Hundred, VA. Eliza
> Ann's biological father,
> Watkins, is unknown to me.
>
> Here's a land dealing involving Reuben
> In 1804 Walter Boyd Gilliam sells the St. Martin
> Parish tract of land devised
> to Patrick Henry Gilliam by Rev. Patrick Henry to
> John Spotswood Moore, who
> on the same day executed a deed of trust on said
> land to Meriwether Jones,
> Reuben M. Gilliam and Skelton M. Gillam as trustees
> to secure the payment of the
> purchase money to said Walter Boyd Gilliam.
>
> Reuben Meriwether Gilliam conveyed some property to
> his brother James Gilliam
> January 1813.
>
> Here's a chancery case that involves Reuben.
> Priscilla Hawks
> 01/07/1819
> Nottoway County Order Book 8, page 224, 225
> Priscilla Hawks widow and relict of Peter
> Hawks dec'd
> againstComplt in
> Chancery
> Abraham Buford admr of Peter Hawks dec'd &
> John hawks, Frederick
> Hawks, and Patrick Hawks infant children of Peter
> hawks dec'd by Abraham Buford
> their special guardian.
> It is decreed and ordered that William
> Vaughan, Thomas Clark, Banister
> Shackleford and Reuben Gilliam or any three of them
> do assign to Mrs.
> Priscilla Hawks widow and relict of Peter Hawks
> dec'd one equal third part of the
> negroes whereof the said Peter Hawks died possessed,
> and that after assigning the
> dower aforesaid, the said commissioners or any three
> of them do divide the
> balance of the negroes whereof the said Peter Hawks
> died possessed into three
> equal parts, and that they assign to John Hawks one
> equal part, to Frederick H
> awks one equal part, and to Patrick Hawks the
> remaining equal part and report
> their proceedings to this Court for a final decree.
>
> Gregory A. Gilliam
> GreGilliam@aol.com
>
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01/26/2004 2:42:58
Re: Gilliam
Randy Jones
I have from Greg Gilliam -- Gregilliam@aol.com that he
married Maria Turnbull, but I have otherwise not
verified it. No children are listed.
-- Randy Jones
--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Below from the PG Rootsweb board. Do we still have
> a Gilliam chaser?
> Maynard
>
>
>
> Message Board Post:
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01/26/2004 5:14:24
Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Julie & all,
After getting your message, Julie, (copied at the bottom, here) that was
sent just to me (BPN), I looked at Elaine's great Poythress compendium
which is posted at our Poythress research website (www.poythress.net),
to see how Elaine had actually read the Dortch fellow's first name,
suspecting that the listing where you found it as "Jewitt" may have had
a transcription error.
Since Elaine was looking at the actual images of the Census pages, it is
certainly pertinent to see how Elaine interpreted the handwriting. As
you'll see from her Poythress households found in the Warren County, NC
1870 Census, which I'm copying first here, she indeed read his first
name as "Oliver" which fits with him being your Dortch relative.
In answer to your question about who the Charles D. Poythress in the
household with Oliver Dortch was: I then went back in Elaine's NC Census
compendium, and readily found him 10 yrs earlier in the 1860 Warren
County, NC Census.
He was the ancestor of BPW of our P-List, by the way, and was in 1860
shown as age 11, listed as just "C.D.Poythress" in his father's
household -- the household of David Poythress (or "D.Poythress" as the
census-taker put him), and with the rest of the family. David Poythress'
wife was a Dortch.
Julie, your Dortch info included at the bottom here, in the copy of your
message to me, may help us determine more about the family of David
Poythress' wives: first he had married Mary Speed Dortch in 1827; then
after she had died, he married Sally Dortch in 1848.
BPW - Can you chime in here & help tie this Dortch info together with
what Julie has said below?
Thanks, Julie for making this info available about the tie-in with your
Dortch ancestor & the Vanlandinghams, too.
BPN
From Elaine's Census info of Poythress folks at our website
(www.poythress.net) 1870 Warren County, NC Census:
Pg.520 - HH 35 – Nutbush Twp., page 520, 8 June
Poythress, Chas. D. , age 20 male, white, dry goods retail merchant,
value per. Est. 1000, born VA
Dortch, Oliver , age 26, male, white, clerk dry goods store, born VA
Pg.521 - HH 41 – Nutbush Twp., page 521, 9 June
Poytess, Baily , age 16, male, white, mail carrier, born VA
Pg.640 - HH 26 – Smith Creek Twp., page 640, 9 July
Poythress,? Delir , age 63, male, white, farmer, value per. Est. $300,
born VA, cannot read and write
, Sarah , age 45, female, white, born VA,
, Lucie , age 16, female, white, born VA
, Alice , age 12, female, white, born VA, attends school
1/28/2004 Julie Cabitto wrote:
> 1870 Nutbush, Warren County, NC, Census pg. 4
>
> Found a Jewitt Dortch age 26, who's a drugstore clerk. Living with a
> Charles Poythress, age 20 who was a merchant. Alvy Dortch's mother was a
> Sarah or Sally Poythress. (still don't know anything about her except
> she was born abt 1815.)
>
> On this Census they live near a few Vanlandingham families. Oliver
> Jasper Dortch (Alvy's brother) married a Vanlandingham. We're wondering
> if this "Jewitt" could be Jasper Dortch, Alvy Dortch's brother. Oliver
> Jasper lived most of his live and died in Nutbush, Warren VA. And he's
> the right age on the census. Not quite sure how to post on the Poythress
> list, so thought I'd email this to you and ask if you may know who this
> Charles Poythress might be.
01/29/2004 10:01:17
Re: Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
Barbara P. Neal
Below is Julie's follow-up message to the message I captioned as above.
I'm forwarding this follow-up of Julie's to the List, since she sent
it to me & asked my help in doing that. Sorry that I had, earlier today,
neglected to send the List my initial message captioned as above, and
have just finally done so.
(Julie: to post any message to the List yourself, since you are a
subscriber all you have to do is put the following in the "TO" line of
your email message:
POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
And then your message will go directly to all the List subscribers, as
soon as RootsWeb forwards it on.)
Thanks, Julie, for your additional follow-up info below. (And yes,
Charles is the 1-yr old in David Poythress' household in Mecklenburg in
that 1850 Census.)
Cheers,
BPN
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:36:33 -0500
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To: "Barbara P. Neal"
Barbara,
Unfortunately this email and the last only got sent to you because I
have your address, and I don't know how to post on the Poythress email list.
I found only one Charles Poythress on the 1850 Census index and he
happened to be in the same district as Sally Poythress married to
William Archer Dortch, in the 98th Regt., Mecklenburg, VA.
The 98th Regt. Mecklenburg, VA, en 14 Sep 1850.
David Poythress 44, overseer
Sally 32
James 17
Mary 14
George 9
Charles 1 *
*looks like it could be a faint 4. But it Charles is the child of David
and Sally, he should only be one, as they married 15 Mar 1848
I don't see a pg. # but it's dwelling 134/134
___________________________________
William Dortch and Sally Poythress are listed:
1850 County: Regiment 98, Mecklenburg, VA Roll: M432_960, Page: 61
dwelling #213/213
William Dortch 32 Overseer
Sally 35
Martha 12 (Married John Vaughan)
Jasper 7 (Oliver Jasper Dortch. Married Jennie Vanlandingham)
Alvy 5 (married Tennessee Jordan Glover. (My gr...grandparents))
Tom 3 (We cannot find him anywhere after this record)
________________________________________
Ancestry.com's marriage database says:
North Carolina Marriage Bonds 1741-1868 database on Ancestry.com, there
were 2 marriages for William A. Dortch:
Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Sarah G. Poythress. Bond Date 31 January
1837, Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman John L.
Smith, Witness Burl Pitchford, Bond # 000160472
Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Elizabeth A. Mise. Bond Date 9 May 1854,
Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman George W.
King, Witness R.B. Robinson, Bond # 000160471. Performed by Richard B.
Robinson, Justice of the Peace.
Note that they both have the same record number
________________________________________
Another interesting twist is that we have a letter from Richard Oliver
Dortch, son of Alvy Dortch and Tennessee Jordan Glover and grandson of
William Archer Dortch and Sally Poythress. He said his grandfather was
William Archer Dortch and William's father was Newman Dortch. We can
only find one Newman Dortch in Mecklenburg, and he marry Sally Speed, 29
Mar 1800. I am told Sally Speed is daughter of John Speed II and Sarah
Baird, but have not personally verified this families dates yet. Newman
Dortch that married Sally Speed is son of David Dortch and Lucy Russell.
I have a copy of the Dortch reference book, and have made some emails to
the author Mr. Perrin. Unfortunately I can't find anything about Newman
Dortch, even on visits to the VA archives. All I know about Sally
Poythress is the marriage bond, and she's on the census. She's on Oliver
and Alvy Dortch's marriage records as "parents: William and Sally Dortch".
I was so happy to see another Poythress with a Dortch and was hoping it
might led to clues as to who our Sarah Poythress is. We guess
Sally/Sarah died between the 1850 Census and William's marriage to
Elizabeth Mise in May 1854. We cannot find Elizabeth Mise on any paper
other than this marriage record. We can not find these Dortch's on
Census again until 1880. But they were still in Mecklenburg because the
children were getting married in the 1860's in Mecklenburg. I do have
Martha married as a Vaughan on the 1870 Census though.
This is all I know about Sarah Poythress. The records are hard to find
for these Dortch families and when you do find them they're hard to
read. Any help identifying Sarah or Charles Dortch possible links would
be appreciated. If you could post this on the Poythress email list that
would be much appreciated too.
Thanks,
Julie
01/29/2004 10:14:54
VA tax records & Newman Dortch
Barbara P. Neal
Virginia kept wonderful records every year beginning in 1782, of the
names of those having to pay 2 kinds of annual taxes:
- Personal Property Tax, and
- Land Tax
At the Library of Virginia archives, and at the LDS Family History
Libraries around the whole country, one can view these records on microfilm.
Julie's comment about not having been able to find much on Newman Dortch
rang a distant bell for me. I looked back at my scribblings from years
ago when I was hunting for Poythress folks in the Mecklenburg County tax
lists.
Newman Dortch was the one who wrote down the list of names of taxpayers
in his half of Mecklenburg County, VA (the area earlier called the Lower
District) for the years of 1820-1825, for both kinds of taxes. That is
the same district where I saw our Poythress names for many years.
In addition, when I had reviewed the microfilms, I did NOT take time to
note all the familiar names that I saw in every year, such as Dortch,
Cleaton, etc., but I did happen to note seeing Newman Dortch's name as
one of the taxpayers of the Personal Property Tax, in that same
district, in the years of 1830, 1832, and 1834.
So, Julie, you might want to review the microfilmed Mecklenburg Co, VA
tax records sometime when you have an opportunity, either at the
archives in Virginia, or at your most convenient Family History Center
(Look in the white pages of the phone book under "Church of Jesus Christ
of the Latter Day Saints" and they will list which of their churches
have Family History Centers with them. If the local one does not already
have in stock microfilms one wants to review, they can have them sent to
them from Salt Lake City, if you are willing to pay the fairly nominal
fee which covers the postage, etc.)
Cheers, BPN
01/29/2004 10:50:35
Charles Poythress and Newman Dortch
Julie Cabitto
Thanks for telling me how to post.
I have the family letter that says William Archer Dortch is son of Newman Dortch. But I have not been able to prove this link on paper. Does anyone have any ideas for how I could find names of children for Newman Dortch and Sally Speed? William and Newman do not have wills, and it is before the 1850 Census, like early 1800's, in Mecklenburg. I have looked at some early Mecklenburg records and the early death records were terrible. (abt. 1840 -1870), Pages ripped in half, huge holes in them, ink spilled, and many pages just impossible for me to read!....
I will go to Richmond soon (about an hour from my house) and look at those tax records. That was a great idea. I'd also like to learn more about those Poythress/Dortch connections. I think I have some notes somewhere from my great grandma about that. I'll let you know when I find something.
Thanks,
Julie
01/30/2004 2:29:22
Sarah Speed/Dortch
Julie Cabitto
Judy,
I have seen on my grandma's pedigree chart and at least one other person has told me that Sarah Speed first married Sherrod Burgh then married Newman Dortch. Unfortunately a lot of the sources my grandma had for her records are now gone from not being preserved well. I'm happy to hear a book mentions Sherrod Burgh. But I don't know anything about him other than his name. I have several dates for Speeds that have been passed down to me, but have been looking for some sources to back them up. I'm interested in that Speed book you mentioned. Do you know if it's still published or how to get a copy? Does it make any mention of Newman Dortch?
Thanks,
Julie
Dortch, Glover, Poythress, Kidd and most likely Speed descendant. (Mostly from Mecklenburg, VA)
01/30/2004 3:55:47
VA tax lists help prove one male is son of another
Barbara P. Neal
For the benefit of Julie & others: one of the same Virginia Tax records
that I mentioned yesterday can be used to help prove that one male was
the son of another male.
In Virginia's Personal Property Tax series (began annually in 1782),
each adult male ("tithable") was listed. On his same entry would be
additional name(s) for any son(s) of his (or other White male in the
household) who was of taxable age -- in early years, this was age 16.
It can also help track the same household through successive years, even
when the property owner died, to watch for other taxable info the tax
assessor would also list, including the number of "wheels" or carriages
owned, and even the names of the property owner's slaves which were
listed on many lists, since additional Personal Property Tax was due for
the number of slaves they had.
Good luck in going thru these old records. We'll look forward to
learning anything you may locate, Julie, from your notes from your great
grandma about those Poythress-Dortch connections, too.
BPN
1/30/2004 Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Thanks for telling me how to post.
>
> I have the family letter that says William Archer Dortch is son of
> Newman Dortch. But I have not been able to prove this link on paper.
> Does anyone have any ideas for how I could find names of children for
> Newman Dortch and Sally Speed? William and Newman do not have wills,
> and it is before the 1850 Census, like early 1800's, in Mecklenburg.
> I have looked at some early Mecklenburg records and the early death
> records were terrible. (abt. 1840 -1870), Pages ripped in half, huge
> holes in them, ink spilled, and many pages just impossible for me to
> read!....
>
> I will go to Richmond soon (about an hour from my house) and look at
> those tax records. That was a great idea. I'd also like to learn more
> about those Poythress/Dortch connections. I think I have some notes
> somewhere from my great grandma about that. I'll let you know when I
> find something. Thanks, Julie
01/30/2004 4:03:14
Re: 1751 Deed Granville Co, NC - Corrected
Barbara P. Neal
Below is a CORRECTED transcription of the deed I originally posted to
the List on 12 January 2004. These additions and corrections are thanks
to Sarah Poythress, who copied the deed at Oxford, Granville Co, NC, and
who sent me the photocopy that I worked with. Thank you Sarah, for
examining your copy and clarifying some of this for us. I got additional
help from consulting Black's Law Dictionary Deluxe 4th Edition for
clarification of some of the legal terms [see notes at bottom]. Square
brackets are mine. Barbara Poythress Neal, 30 January 2004
Oxford, Granville County, North Carolina, in Deed Book B, pages 312-314
[p.312] Hawkins to Poythress
This indenture made this twenty-ninth day of May in the year of our Lord
Christ one thousand seven hundred and fiftyone Between John Hawkins
of North Carolina of the one part and Charles Poythress of Virginia of
the other part Witnesseth there for and in consideration of the sum of
Thirty Six pounds Curt. [i.e. "Current"] Money
[p.313] of Virginia in hand paid to John Sellers Jr. and Robert Gee,
the Receipt hereof he the said Hawkins do hereby acknowledge, hath
given, granted, bargained and sold, aliened and confirmed, and by
these presents do give, grant, bargain and sell, alien and confirm unto
the aforesaid Charles Poythress, his heirs and Assigns forever all that
Tract or Parcel land lying and being in the Province of North Carolina
and in the County of Granville lying and being on both sides of Hawtree
Creek Containing six hundred and forty acres be the same more or less
and bounded as followeth, to wit, Beginning at the Letter A. on the
West side of the said Creek thence Running South 440 Poles to a Hickory
at B. thence East 230 Poles to a Pine at C. thence North 440 Poles
to White Oak at D. in the line of the aforesaid Hawkins thence by his
line West to the Beginning To have and to hold the said Tract or Parcel
of Land and all and singular the said Premises abovementioned and all
said every Part and parcel thereof with the appurtenances thereto
belonging unto the aforesaid Charles Poythress, his heirs and Assigns
to the only Proper Use and behalf [or possibly "behold"] of him the
sd. Poythress, his heirs and Assigns forever and the said John Hawkins
for himself and his heirs the said Tract or Parcel of Land and Premises
and every Part thereof against himself and his heirs and against all
and every other Person and Persons whatsoever to the said Charles
Poythress his heirs and Assigns shall and will Warrant and forever
Defend by these presents. In Witness whereof the said John Hawkins
hath hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal the Day and Year
above written.
Signed, sealed and Delivd. John Hawkins (L.S.)
In Presence of
Daff Weldon ~~~ Memorandum that a full and Peasible [i.e. "Peaceable"]
Possession and seizian [i.e. "seisin'] of the within Mentioned Land
was declared in the within Deed was taken
[p.314] and held by the within names Charles Poythress according to due
form of law.
Teste [i.e. Latin for "witness"] Daff Weldon
At a court held for Granville Co. 4 June 1764 John Hawkins has
acknowledged this deed together with the Memorandum of living and
seision [i.e. "seisin"] endorsed to be his Act and Deed which on the
motion were ordered to be Registered. Cert. by Daff Weldon CC [i.e.
abbreviation for "Clerk of Court"]
Teste William Eaton Pub.Reg.
[End of transcription; additional helpful legal notes from Black's Law
Dictionary are below]
- "Peaceable possession" of real estate is such as is acquiesced in by
all other persons, including rival claimants, and not disturbed by any
forcible attempt at ouster nor by adverse suits to recover the
possession or the estate.
- Seisin - [many definitions including] possession with an intent on
the part of him who holds it to claim a freehold interest; [and] right
to immediate possession according to the nature of the estate.
- Teste or Testes - Latin for witness or witnesses; Teste of a writ,
in practice, is the concluding clause, commencing with the word "Witness."
01/30/2004 5:23:42
FW: Your new link submission has been received (was Re: new URL - POYTHRESS Web & Discussion List)
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01/30/2004 5:40:59
Re: Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
Judy A Scruggs
Hi All,
According to my Speed book, "Memorials and Records
of the Speed Family " dated 1892 and written by Thomas Speed, published by
Couier-Jornal Job Printing Co.
Louisville, Ky. I find where John Speed born in Va. Aug.3,1738 & married
Sarah Baird in Va. 1763 have a daughter Sarah, born 1769. Sometimes Sally is
used as a nickname for Sarah. It states that Sarah married Sherrod Burge.
Maybe she married again. I don't have any information if she did. There are
several John Speeds all through the generations.
Judy Speed Scruggs/ a Poythress & Speed descendant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
> Below is Julie's follow-up message to the message I captioned as above.
> I'm forwarding this follow-up of Julie's to the List, since she sent
> it to me & asked my help in doing that. Sorry that I had, earlier today,
> neglected to send the List my initial message captioned as above, and
> have just finally done so.
>
> (Julie: to post any message to the List yourself, since you are a
> subscriber all you have to do is put the following in the "TO" line of
> your email message:
> POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> And then your message will go directly to all the List subscribers, as
> soon as RootsWeb forwards it on.)
>
> Thanks, Julie, for your additional follow-up info below. (And yes,
> Charles is the 1-yr old in David Poythress' household in Mecklenburg in
> that 1850 Census.)
> Cheers,
> BPN
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Charles D. Poythress & Oliver Dortch, Warren Co, NC
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:36:33 -0500
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To: "Barbara P. Neal"
>
> Barbara,
> Unfortunately this email and the last only got sent to you because I
> have your address, and I don't know how to post on the Poythress email
list.
>
> I found only one Charles Poythress on the 1850 Census index and he
> happened to be in the same district as Sally Poythress married to
> William Archer Dortch, in the 98th Regt., Mecklenburg, VA.
>
> The 98th Regt. Mecklenburg, VA, en 14 Sep 1850.
> David Poythress 44, overseer
> Sally 32
> James 17
> Mary 14
> George 9
> Charles 1 *
>
> *looks like it could be a faint 4. But it Charles is the child of David
> and Sally, he should only be one, as they married 15 Mar 1848
>
> I don't see a pg. # but it's dwelling 134/134
> ___________________________________
> William Dortch and Sally Poythress are listed:
> 1850 County: Regiment 98, Mecklenburg, VA Roll: M432_960, Page: 61
> dwelling #213/213
> William Dortch 32 Overseer
> Sally 35
> Martha 12 (Married John Vaughan)
> Jasper 7 (Oliver Jasper Dortch. Married Jennie Vanlandingham)
> Alvy 5 (married Tennessee Jordan Glover. (My gr...grandparents))
> Tom 3 (We cannot find him anywhere after this record)
>
> ________________________________________
> Ancestry.com's marriage database says:
> North Carolina Marriage Bonds 1741-1868 database on Ancestry.com, there
> were 2 marriages for William A. Dortch:
> Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Sarah G. Poythress. Bond Date 31 January
> 1837, Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman John L.
> Smith, Witness Burl Pitchford, Bond # 000160472
>
> Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Elizabeth A. Mise. Bond Date 9 May 1854,
> Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman George W.
> King, Witness R.B. Robinson, Bond # 000160471. Performed by Richard B.
> Robinson, Justice of the Peace.
> Note that they both have the same record number
> ________________________________________
> Another interesting twist is that we have a letter from Richard Oliver
> Dortch, son of Alvy Dortch and Tennessee Jordan Glover and grandson of
> William Archer Dortch and Sally Poythress. He said his grandfather was
> William Archer Dortch and William's father was Newman Dortch. We can
> only find one Newman Dortch in Mecklenburg, and he marry Sally Speed, 29
> Mar 1800. I am told Sally Speed is daughter of John Speed II and Sarah
> Baird, but have not personally verified this families dates yet. Newman
> Dortch that married Sally Speed is son of David Dortch and Lucy Russell.
> I have a copy of the Dortch reference book, and have made some emails to
> the author Mr. Perrin. Unfortunately I can't find anything about Newman
> Dortch, even on visits to the VA archives. All I know about Sally
> Poythress is the marriage bond, and she's on the census. She's on Oliver
> and Alvy Dortch's marriage records as "parents: William and Sally Dortch".
>
> I was so happy to see another Poythress with a Dortch and was hoping it
> might led to clues as to who our Sarah Poythress is. We guess
> Sally/Sarah died between the 1850 Census and William's marriage to
> Elizabeth Mise in May 1854. We cannot find Elizabeth Mise on any paper
> other than this marriage record. We can not find these Dortch's on
> Census again until 1880. But they were still in Mecklenburg because the
> children were getting married in the 1860's in Mecklenburg. I do have
> Martha married as a Vaughan on the 1870 Census though.
>
> This is all I know about Sarah Poythress. The records are hard to find
> for these Dortch families and when you do find them they're hard to
> read. Any help identifying Sarah or Charles Dortch possible links would
> be appreciated. If you could post this on the Poythress email list that
> would be much appreciated too.
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
>
>
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01/30/2004 7:03:06
Re: Poythress Chronicles
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Michael,
You are doing such a beautiful job of analyzing all these early
Poythress folks, and citing so many pertinent documents! Thank you so
much for sharing your chronicles with all of us.
I know that RootsWeb doesn't allow for any attached files going thru the
List, so I wondered if you would, please, send today's chronicle as an
attached Word file to me off-List? I surely would appreciate it.
Cheers,
Barbara
bp_neal@earthlink.net
2/5/2004 Michael Tutor wrote: I have reentered the following abstracts...
02/05/2004 11:58:41
Poythress Chronicles
Michael Tutor
02/05/2004 12:58:31
Wales ancestry for Ira Portis of NC
Barbara P. Neal
I think we have seen instances in other sources when the surname of the
below-mentioned Ira Portis of NC has been spelled "Poythress."
The following info appears in the 1921 4-volume set compiled by Thomas
McAdory Owen, LL.D., Lawyer, Founder and Director Alabama State Dept of
Archives and History, and author of numerous historical and
bibliographical publications, "History of Alabama and Dictionary of
Alabama Biography, In Four Volumes." As far as I can ascertain, the set
has long been out of print. I saw it in the Genealogy section [none of
which circulates] of the main Los Angeles Public Library.
From Vol. IV, p.1380:
"Portis, John Wesley, lawyer, colonel, C. S. Army, was born in 1818,
in Nash Co, N.C., deceased; son of Ira Portis, who went from North
Carolina to Clarke County [AL] in 1818, and settled near Suggsville;
grandson of John Portis, of Fishing Creek, Ransom's Bridge, Roanoke
River, N.C.; great-grandson of George Portis, who came from Wales and
settled on [sic] the Isle of Wight, Va., in 1760, and was buried in the
old Petersburg cemetery. Mr. Portis was educated at the University of
Virginia, and studied law in the office of Cooper & Parsons, at
Claiborne. He was admitted to the bar; engaged in the practice of law
and in planting at Suggsville; was elected to the State legislature from
Clarke County as a mixed basis Democrat in 1843, and was re-elected in
1844. He was a trustee of the University of Alabama from 1844 to 1860.
On the beginning of the War of Secession in 1861, he volunteered as a
private in the C. S. Army, and was later elected a lieutenant in the
Forty-second Alabama regiment. A year later, he was elected colonel of
the Forty-second Alabama; led it at Corinth, where he was wounded;
resigned soon afterwards and returned home. After the war, he resumed
the practice of law at Suggsville; served for some time as postmaster at
that place; and engaged in merchandising to some extend. He was a
Democrat, a delegate to the national conventions at Cincinnati,
Charleston, and Baltimore, and a Methodist. Married: to Rebecca Griffin
[Rivers?], daughter of Richard Rivers. Children: 1. Richard Rivers
[Portis], b. October 24, 2845, d. May 4, 1885, private in the C. S.
Army, 1864-1865, lawyer and merchant at Suggsville, m. (1) Maimie Deas,
(2) Mary Barnes; 2. Ira David [Portis], b. October 24, 1845, private in
C. S. Army, 1864-1865, lawyer at Suggsville, m. Onie Mae Poole; 3. Ira
Rivers [Portis], b. May 24, 1847, private in C. S. Army, was graduated,
M. D., from Tulane university, physician and planter in Smith County,
Tex., until 1899, private, U. S. Army, Philippine War, 1898; 4. Emma
[Portis]; 5. Ella [Portis]; 6. Mary [Portis]; 7. Lucy [Portis]. Last
residence: Suggsville."
02/08/2004 1:09:46
Epes of VA (with Randolph connection) gave name to AL town
Barbara P. Neal
Sometime ago, I copied the following page in the Genealogy section [none
of which circulates] of the main public library downtown, Los Angeles
Central Library. The 2-volume set is titled: Memorial Record of Alabama:
A Concise Account of the State's Political, Military, Professional and
Industrial Progress, Together with the Personal Memoirs of Many of Its
People, In Two Volumes, Illustrated. No author's name appears on the
title page. Published at Madison, WI: Brant & Fuller, 1893. As far as I
can tell, it is long out of print.
Many of us with ancestors from the Sumter County, Alabama area have long
wondered about the exact Virginia connection that resulted in one of the
county's names being "Epes." This entry explains that, and gives much
Epes family info.
Vol II's p.929:
"Dr. John W. Epes, retired merchant of Epes Station, a thriving little
town of Sumter county, Ala., named in his honor, was born in Lunenburg,
Va., May 8, 1836, a son of John C. and Sarah A. (Smith) Epes, the former
a native of Prince George county, Va., born January 8, 1801, and the
latter a native of Lunenburg county. Mrs. Sarah A. Epes died in 1836,
when the doctor was but a few months of age, and Mr. John C. Epes died
in 1859, a well-to-do planter. The latter was a captain in one of the
earlier wars, was a justice of the peace several years, and was a person
of considerable importance in his community. His father, Peter Epes, was
born in England, came to America with his people in 1717, and located at
City Point, Va. He died, however, in Lunenburg county, the father of
four sons and four daughters. The maternal grandfather of the doctor,
James Smith, was a Virginian by birth, was a very wealthy planter, and
for twenty-one years represented Lunenburg county in the Virginia
general assembly. Dr. John W. Epes is the younger of the two children
born to his parents -- the elder one, Sarah L., now deceased, having
been the wife of William E. Randolph of Virginia. The doctor was reared
on the old plantation, attended Hampden-Sidney college, Va., and then
the South Carolina Medical college at Charleston. In 1858 he graduated
from Jefferson Medical college in Philadelphia, and the same year came
to Alabama and located at Jones Bluff, now Epes. Being possessed of
strong proclivities for traffic and having a natural inclination toward
trade, he engaged in mercantile pursuits and farming until 1862, when he
responded to the call to arms by his adopted state and joined company A,
Thirty-sixth Alabama regiment, as a private, and served on the coast for
some months; in 1863 he joined Forrest's cavalry, and saw service in
northern Mississippi. When the war had terminated, he resumed
merchandising, which he followed many years before retiring, a wealthy
man and one of the most extensive land-owners in the county of Sumter.
The marriage of the doctor took place in October, 1858, to Miss Martha
J., daughter of W. R. and Melicent Thomas. Mr. and Mrs. Thomas were
natives of Edgecomb county, N.C., but in 1833 came to Sumter county,
Ala., lived here many years, and finally moved to Meridian, Miss., where
they died. Mrs. Martha J. Epes was born in Sumter county, and is now the
mother of six children viz.: John P. [Epes], James V. [Epes], Una E.
[Epes, wife of George P. Kinkle, of Birmingham, and mother of two
children, viz.: Una E. [Kinkle], and Mattie May [Kinkle]; Mattie S.
[Epes], Minnie M. [Epes], and Junie W. [Epes]. The family are highly
honored in the community, and the father [Dr. John W. Epes] is a
consistent member of the Presbyterian church. The doctor is a royal arch
Mason and a Knight of Honor, in politics is a stanch democrat, and is a
valued and public-spirited citizen."
02/08/2004 1:51:51
Re: Epes of VA (with Randolph connection) gave name to AL town - corrected
Barbara P. Neal
One correction to my 2nd paragraph: I meant to say ...Virginia
connection that resulted in one of the county's towns' names being
"Epes." (I left out *towns'* in original message) It is corrected here.
2/8/2004 Barbara P. Neal wrote:
Sometime ago, I copied the following page in the Genealogy section [none
of which circulates] of the main public library downtown, Los Angeles
Central Library. The 2-volume set is titled: Memorial Record of Alabama:
A Concise Account of the State's Political, Military, Professional and
Industrial Progress, Together with the Personal Memoirs of Many of Its
People, In Two Volumes, Illustrated. No author's name appears on the
title page. Published at Madison, WI: Brant & Fuller, 1893. As far as I
can tell, it is long out of print.
Many of us with ancestors from the Sumter County, Alabama area have long
wondered about the exact Virginia connection that resulted in one of the
county's towns' names being "Epes." This entry explains that, and gives
much
Epes family info.
Vol II's p.929:
"Dr. John W. Epes, retired merchant of Epes Station, a thriving little
town of Sumter county, Ala., named in his honor, was born in Lunenburg,
Va., May 8, 1836, a son of John C. and Sarah A. (Smith) Epes, the former
a native of Prince George county, Va., born January 8, 1801, and the
latter a native of Lunenburg county. Mrs. Sarah A. Epes died in 1836,
when the doctor was but a few months of age, and Mr. John C. Epes died
in 1859, a well-to-do planter. The latter was a captain in one of the
earlier wars, was a justice of the peace several years, and was a person
of considerable importance in his community. His father, Peter Epes, was
born in England, came to America with his people in 1717, and located at
City Point, Va. He died, however, in Lunenburg county, the father of
four sons and four daughters. The maternal grandfather of the doctor,
James Smith, was a Virginian by birth, was a very wealthy planter, and
for twenty-one years represented Lunenburg county in the Virginia
general assembly. Dr. John W. Epes is the younger of the two children
born to his parents -- the elder one, Sarah L., now deceased, having
been the wife of William E. Randolph of Virginia. The doctor was reared
on the old plantation, attended Hampden-Sidney college, Va., and then
the South Carolina Medical college at Charleston. In 1858 he graduated
from Jefferson Medical college in Philadelphia, and the same year came
to Alabama and located at Jones Bluff, now Epes. Being possessed of
strong proclivities for traffic and having a natural inclination toward
trade, he engaged in mercantile pursuits and farming until 1862, when he
responded to the call to arms by his adopted state and joined company A,
Thirty-sixth Alabama regiment, as a private, and served on the coast for
some months; in 1863 he joined Forrest's cavalry, and saw service in
northern Mississippi. When the war had terminated, he resumed
merchandising, which he followed many years before retiring, a wealthy
man and one of the most extensive land-owners in the county of Sumter.
The marriage of the doctor took place in October, 1858, to Miss Martha
J., daughter of W. R. and Melicent Thomas. Mr. and Mrs. Thomas were
natives of Edgecomb county, N.C., but in 1833 came to Sumter county,
Ala., lived here many years, and finally moved to Meridian, Miss., where
they died. Mrs. Martha J. Epes was born in Sumter county, and is now the
mother of six children viz.: John P. [Epes], James V. [Epes], Una E.
[Epes, wife of George P. Kinkle, of Birmingham, and mother of two
children, viz.: Una E. [Kinkle], and Mattie May [Kinkle]; Mattie S.
[Epes], Minnie M. [Epes], and Junie W. [Epes]. The family are highly
honored in the community, and the father [Dr. John W. Epes] is a
consistent member of the Presbyterian church. The doctor is a royal arch
Mason and a Knight of Honor, in politics is a stanch democrat, and is a
valued and public-spirited citizen."
02/08/2004 1:56:51
Re: Wales ancestry for Ira Portis of NC - corrected
Barbara P. Neal
Sorry I didn't catch the typos before sending the original version just
a little while ago. They are corrected here:
I think we have seen instances in other sources when the surname of the
below-mentioned Ira Portis of NC has been spelled "Poythress."
The following info appears in the 1921 4-volume set compiled by Thomas
McAdory Owen, LL.D., Lawyer, Founder and Director Alabama State Dept of
Archives and History, and author of numerous historical and
bibliographical publications, "History of Alabama and Dictionary of
Alabama Biography, In Four Volumes." As far as I can ascertain, the set
has long been out of print. I saw it in the Genealogy section [none of
which circulates] of the main Los Angeles Public Library.
From Vol. IV, p.1380:
"Portis, John Wesley, lawyer, colonel, C. S. Army, was born in 1818,
in Nash Co, N.C., deceased; son of Ira Portis, who went from North
Carolina to Clarke County [AL] in 1818, and settled near Suggsville;
grandson of John Portis, of Fishing Creek, Ransom's Bridge, Roanoke
River, N.C.; great-grandson of George Portis, who came from Wales and
settled on [sic] the Isle of Wight, Va., in 1760, and was buried in the
old Petersburg cemetery. Mr. Portis was educated at the University of
Virginia, and studied law in the office of Cooper & Parsons, at
Claiborne. He was admitted to the bar; engaged in the practice of law
and in planting at Suggsville; was elected to the State legislature from
Clarke County as a mixed basis Democrat in 1843, and was re-elected in
1844. He was a trustee of the University of Alabama from 1844 to 1860.
On the beginning of the War of Secession in 1861, he volunteered as a
private in the C. S. Army, and was later elected a lieutenant in the
Forty-second Alabama regiment. A year later, he was elected colonel of
the Forty-second Alabama; led it at Corinth, where he was wounded;
resigned soon afterwards and returned home. After the war, he resumed
the practice of law at Suggsville; served for some time as postmaster at
that place; and engaged in merchandising to some extent. He was a
Democrat, a delegate to the national conventions at Cincinnati,
Charleston, and Baltimore, and a Methodist. Married: to Rebecca Griffin
[Rivers?], daughter of Richard Rivers. Children: 1. Richard Rivers
[Portis], b. October 24, 1845, d. May 4, 1885, private in the C. S.
Army, 1864-1865, lawyer and merchant at Suggsville, m. (1) Maimie Deas,
(2) Mary Barnes; 2. Ira David [Portis], b. October 24, 1845, private in
C. S. Army, 1864-1865, lawyer at Suggsville, m. Onie Mae Poole; 3. Ira
Rivers [Portis], b. May 24, 1847, private in C. S. Army, was graduated,
M. D., from Tulane university, physician and planter in Smith County,
Tex., until 1899, private, U. S. Army, Philippine War, 1898; 4. Emma
[Portis]; 5. Ella [Portis]; 6. Mary [Portis]; 7. Lucy [Portis]. Last
residence: Suggsville."
02/08/2004 2:03:00
Re: Copyrights
koswcartist
Well put Maynard. As an artist, I learned early that I do not take a
magazine picture and make a painting from it. That would be violating
copyright of the photographer and the magazine who published it.. which I
understand in the usa lasts 90 years after the death of the artist,
photographer etc who originally made it or took it. the lenght of viable
copyright on legimately copyrightable items varies by country.. And that is
why I take and edit my own photographs so no one can doubt my creativity.
Patti Poythress Koscheski
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Copyrights
> Submitting the below "position paper" (I guess it should be called) for
> comments.
>
>
>
> I have followed with interest the attempts of the recording industry to
> enforce the copyrights on their "art." There is simply no doubt that
> the material involved is indeed "art", is indeed "original" and is
> indeed copyrightable. And the kids or others downloading off Kwaaza (or
> whatever) and distributing are clearly violating the law.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, we are dealing with a problem that could be called
> something of a mirror image of this one. We are attempting to build the
> largest database possible of Poythress records, and more specifically
> court records. I am increasingly intolerant of running into copyrights
> that are simply (however benignly intended) NOT copyrightable. Make
> careful note here: I am NOT referring to anything that includes "art" or
> "creation" of an author who has secured a copyright. I AM REFERRING
> ONLY TO THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE TRANSCRIPTION OR ABSTRACTING OF LEGAL
> DOCUMENTS PRESUMABLY RESTRAINS US FROM MAKING THE MATERIAL PART OF OUR
> DATABASE BECAUSE THE "COPIER" CLAIMS COPYRIGHT.
>
>
>
> This material, as narrowly defined above, is simply not copyrightable,
> fee paid or no fee paid.
>
>
>
> Again, follow my thinking here keeping in mind that we are NOT talking
> about anything BUT this one narrow issue of verbatim reproduction of
> court documents NOR are we talking about failure make attribution to the
> original copier because attribution is an obligation of ethics, even if
> not of law.
>
>
>
> The payment of a fee and the issuance of a copyright in no way means
> that the work is either copyright eligible or copyright defensible.
> Copyrights issued for compilations of court orders, deed books,
> whatever, are in fact fantasy copyrights. The printer (not even a
> "publisher" in this instance) is all too happy for the copier (not
> "author") to waste the copyright fee for what is only
>
> an ego trip copyright because it serves the printer's "turf" interest to
> sell books, something akin to putting a "Beware of the Dog" sign on your
> gate when you don't even have a dog. And the copier himself or herself
> is perhaps self-indulging the false romance of being a "published
> author", presumably enhancing the work further with a copyright..or for
> any other reason. I don't care.
>
>
>
> The Mormons were not so presumptuous as to make copyright claims for all
> of the court material they documented via microfilm, probably for the
> reason that they clearly recognized that the "unadorned" information was
> in the public domain. If these records are the intellectual property of
> anyone it is likely that of the court in which the action was recorded
> and the courts certainly make no claim. "Copiers" or "abstractors" of
> such material have a burden of "creativity" and they completely fail to
> carry what the LDS people realistically didn't even attempt to carry.
>
>
>
> In the instance of Westlaw (a commercial provider of a "subscription"
> source of legal cases (with comments) that they are selling to lawyers,
> the courts have ruled that Westlaw "cannot copyright legal documents"
> period.
>
>
>
> There are these "requirements" and in general I'm quoting from either
> court rulings or specific guidance contained in the rules of the Library
> of Congress:
>
>
>
> 1-
>
> The material (court records) doesn't qualify for copyright in the first
> place. "Compilations" of public records (even abstracted) are
> "derivative works", not original works. "By original work is meant that
> it cannot even be DERIVED from another work; it must be new and not
> previously expressed." The variant "abstracting" merely to abbreviate
> the legal verbiage does not even rise to the level of a compilation.
>
>
>
> In this regard, the following guidance is offered to potential authors
> seeking to claim copyright privileges: "Facts cannot be copyrighted, nor
> can lists or tables or entries taken from public documents be
> copyrighted...These facts are public domain (in the United States but
> not always in other countries) and the mere reproduction of these facts
> results in more public domain data.
>
> Keep this in mind when you publish your genealogy material online or on
> paper. If you simply publish facts taken from public records your
> publication is not copyrighted. However, if you add biographies and
> personal notes and other information you found by researching non-public
> records, the extra information (and only the extra information) you
> added probably does fall under copyright protection." (underlining and
> bolding in original).
>
>
>
> And further: "Many...probably don't fully understand what copyright
> entails. Copyright is designed to protect, for a limited time, the
> creativity and original works of authors, songwriters, painters,
> photographers, and others. By original works is meant that it cannot be
> derived from another work - it must be new and not previously expressed.
> (underlining in original) Source: Library of Congress
>
>
>
> 2-
>
> Even if such material did qualify for copyright, which it obviously does
> not, there is yet a second burden: that of "fair use." The Library of
> Congress spells this out with clarity in section 107 of its rules. This
> section contains the purposes for which the reproduction of a particular
> work may be considered "fair, such as criticism, comment, news
> reporting, teaching, scholarship and research." Section 107 sets out
> four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular
> use is "fair":
>
>
>
> "1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether
> such use is of
>
> commercial nature or is for non-profit educational
> purposes;
>
>
>
> 2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
>
>
>
> 3. amount and substantiality of the portion used in
> relation to the copyrighted work
>
> work as a whole;
>
>
>
> 4. and, the effect of use upon the potential market for or
> value of the copyrighted
>
> work."
>
>
>
> In the instance of reproducing court records for non-profit, educational
> one-family research, # 1 and # 3 clearly signal "fair use."
>
> # 2 is not understood and # 4 is clearly de minimus; after all, how many
> Poythresses are there as a "market" for what we extract. Albeit not
> "unanimous," remember that the "claim" has not even cleared the previous
> "hurdle" to get to this consideration in the first place.
>
>
>
> 3-
>
> Yet a third intangible factor might seemingly transcend the legal aspect
> and that is the sympathy for the "efforts" of the copier. This is deemed
> a non-issue considering two facts: first, although the information may
> have been obscure and difficult to find because there is very little of
> it, obscurity does not entitle a mere copier to monopoly ownership which
> would freeze out other researchers pursuing their own non-profit,
> educational purposes (i. e. a genealogy data base).
>
>
>
> Second, and probably more importantly, until 1991, compilations were
> protected by copyrights as the "authors" had expended considerable
> effort to compile them into a "new" work. The U. S. Supreme Court threw
> out this "sweat of the brow" theory in its in its decision "Feist
> Publications v. Rural Telephone Service" (499 U. S. 340).
>
>
>
> The venerable Rootsweb itself weighs in even more clearly on this point:
>
>
>
> "COPYRIGHTING GREAT-GRANDPA. Facts, like ancestors, do not belong to
> only
> some of us -- they may be freely included in anyone's data. Also you can
> compile a family tree about any family you wish -- being related to that
> family in any way is not a requirement. Even if you are the first one to
> learn that your great-grandparents were married on the "Black Nymph" on
> their way to Australia in 1843, you can not "own" that fact. It does not
> matter how much time and/or money it costs you to discover a fact, it is
> still an uncopyrightable fact."
>
>
>
>
>
> Here is a typical instance of the problem to which I refer:
>
>
>
> Prince George Co, Va 1810 Census
> C copyright 1999 by Linda L Chandler
>
> NOTICE: Do NOT include in any publication,
> CD, Newsletter, or archive for sell. You may copy
> For your own use, provided my copyright is intact.
>
>
>
> Edward LEE to Polly BONNER---21 Feb 1788
>
> John Taylor LEE to Sarah Chappell MOORE---7 Oct 1790, etc. etc.
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>
> Aside from the question of how marriage data gets copyrighted as part of
> a census at least Ms. Chandler showed an unearned amount of grace in
> "granting permission", etc. etc. However, as far as we should be
> concerned Ms. Chandler can rattle on however she chooses. I will plan
> to "extract" in whole or in part just as much of this TYPE OF
> information as I like and will indicate at the bottom of the
> "extraction":
>
>
>
> Public Domain Material
>
> Transcribed By Linda L.
>
> Chandler 1999
>
>
>
> As a side issue "All Rights Reserved" presumably carries some other type
> of restriction on use. Well, if the copyright isn't valid in the first
> place, the term only means that the copier can reserve any rights the
> copier has...which, in this instance is none.
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> Thanks,
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02/09/2004 3:10:42
RE: Copyrights
JLP
That's very well-written. I could not agree more, and this excessive
use of "copyright" has done a lot to kill the passing and sharing of
real genealogy information on the Internet. If you belong to a lot of
lists like I do, you will frequently hear people lamenting the good
old days when information used to be shared. I think there are
several factors that have contributed to the demise of "we're in this
together" spirit, but you can easily correlate the drop-off of
information sharing about the time that certain know-it-all, sometimes
well-meaning, people began shouting COPYRIGHT!! about 3-5 years ago.
I share some people's frustration with the "commercial" sites grabbing
anything and everything they can find, and then charging other people
for providing that information. But if the information were more
freely and readily available, then these commercial sites would not
have anything to sell.... (think about it).
I spent most of my working career dealing with the science and
engineering communities where patent laws are very real. Patents and
copyrights are supposed to be, in theory, kissing cousins of the same
principles. But the way the laws have been written and implemented
they have lost any resemblance to each other.
Both are supposed to protect intellectual property rights for a short
period of time. Patents are still relatively short, while greed has
driven copyright protection to very long time periods. In both cases,
the intellectual property to be protected is supposed to be original,
and creative, i.e., one-of-a-kind, and something very new.
As you have so well stated, I can certainly see and value the creative
process in music generation and in writing works of fiction. But the
concept of being able to copyright truth and facts, and even to claim
copyright of public records is ludicrous, and an abomination of the
original intent of legalizing copyrights. In fact when you understand
the purpose of copyrights, then having the capability to place a
copyright stamp on truth and facts is, when you think about it,
something of an oxymoron.
A couple of years ago, I did some intense investigation of my own into
the copyright rights -- the real ones, the US Code, not what everyone
thinks they understand. One thing jumped out at me when I compared
these laws to what I knew about patent laws. When one submits a
patent, one is subjected to a lengthy review process by an outside,
supposedly objective, party to determine if the "invention" is truly
new and unique (and not frivolous). The copyright law does not
require such a review. Anybody and everybody can slap a copyright
notice on anything they choose, and then depend upon other people's
willingness to be bullied to try to make money off something that
should remain in the public domain.
I.e., the REAL problem with copyright laws is that there is no legal
review of the material for creativity or newness or uniqueness, etc,
before a copyright notice can be placed on the material. The very
flawed copyright system we have inherited depends upon one or the
other of the interested parties to make a case in court: either the
so-called author, or the person who challenges the copyright. Very
few of the latter people have enough of a vested interest to go to the
expense of a legal challenge, so the abusers just continue with taking
advantage to the absurd system that has evolved. (Conversely you're
going to be hard-pressed to find an author who is going to court to
try to defend his so-called copyright unless there are big $$$
involved in the infringement.)
It's a stupid system, and one that does not serve either the true
creators or the users. But the majority of the people (including most
the Internet genealogy web sites) have allowed themselves to be
bullied into compliance with the wishes of the bulliers.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:12 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Copyrights
Submitting the below "position paper" (I guess it should be called)
for comments.
02/09/2004 8:59:20
Copyrights
John M. Poythress
Submitting the below "position paper" (I guess it should be called) for
comments.
I have followed with interest the attempts of the recording industry to
enforce the copyrights on their "art." There is simply no doubt that
the material involved is indeed "art", is indeed "original" and is
indeed copyrightable. And the kids or others downloading off Kwaaza (or
whatever) and distributing are clearly violating the law.
On the other hand, we are dealing with a problem that could be called
something of a mirror image of this one. We are attempting to build the
largest database possible of Poythress records, and more specifically
court records. I am increasingly intolerant of running into copyrights
that are simply (however benignly intended) NOT copyrightable. Make
careful note here: I am NOT referring to anything that includes "art" or
"creation" of an author who has secured a copyright. I AM REFERRING
ONLY TO THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE TRANSCRIPTION OR ABSTRACTING OF LEGAL
DOCUMENTS PRESUMABLY RESTRAINS US FROM MAKING THE MATERIAL PART OF OUR
DATABASE BECAUSE THE "COPIER" CLAIMS COPYRIGHT.
This material, as narrowly defined above, is simply not copyrightable,
fee paid or no fee paid.
Again, follow my thinking here keeping in mind that we are NOT talking
about anything BUT this one narrow issue of verbatim reproduction of
court documents NOR are we talking about failure make attribution to the
original copier because attribution is an obligation of ethics, even if
not of law.
The payment of a fee and the issuance of a copyright in no way means
that the work is either copyright eligible or copyright defensible.
Copyrights issued for compilations of court orders, deed books,
whatever, are in fact fantasy copyrights. The printer (not even a
"publisher" in this instance) is all too happy for the copier (not
"author") to waste the copyright fee for what is only
an ego trip copyright because it serves the printer's "turf" interest to
sell books, something akin to putting a "Beware of the Dog" sign on your
gate when you don't even have a dog. And the copier himself or herself
is perhaps self-indulging the false romance of being a "published
author", presumably enhancing the work further with a copyright..or for
any other reason. I don't care.
The Mormons were not so presumptuous as to make copyright claims for all
of the court material they documented via microfilm, probably for the
reason that they clearly recognized that the "unadorned" information was
in the public domain. If these records are the intellectual property of
anyone it is likely that of the court in which the action was recorded
and the courts certainly make no claim. "Copiers" or "abstractors" of
such material have a burden of "creativity" and they completely fail to
carry what the LDS people realistically didn't even attempt to carry.
In the instance of Westlaw (a commercial provider of a "subscription"
source of legal cases (with comments) that they are selling to lawyers,
the courts have ruled that Westlaw "cannot copyright legal documents"
period.
There are these "requirements" and in general I'm quoting from either
court rulings or specific guidance contained in the rules of the Library
of Congress:
1-
The material (court records) doesn't qualify for copyright in the first
place. "Compilations" of public records (even abstracted) are
"derivative works", not original works. "By original work is meant that
it cannot even be DERIVED from another work; it must be new and not
previously expressed." The variant "abstracting" merely to abbreviate
the legal verbiage does not even rise to the level of a compilation.
In this regard, the following guidance is offered to potential authors
seeking to claim copyright privileges: "Facts cannot be copyrighted, nor
can lists or tables or entries taken from public documents be
copyrighted...These facts are public domain (in the United States but
not always in other countries) and the mere reproduction of these facts
results in more public domain data.
Keep this in mind when you publish your genealogy material online or on
paper. If you simply publish facts taken from public records your
publication is not copyrighted. However, if you add biographies and
personal notes and other information you found by researching non-public
records, the extra information (and only the extra information) you
added probably does fall under copyright protection." (underlining and
bolding in original).
And further: "Many...probably don't fully understand what copyright
entails. Copyright is designed to protect, for a limited time, the
creativity and original works of authors, songwriters, painters,
photographers, and others. By original works is meant that it cannot be
derived from another work - it must be new and not previously expressed.
(underlining in original) Source: Library of Congress
2-
Even if such material did qualify for copyright, which it obviously does
not, there is yet a second burden: that of "fair use." The Library of
Congress spells this out with clarity in section 107 of its rules. This
section contains the purposes for which the reproduction of a particular
work may be considered "fair, such as criticism, comment, news
reporting, teaching, scholarship and research." Section 107 sets out
four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular
use is "fair":
"1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether
such use is of
commercial nature or is for non-profit educational
purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. amount and substantiality of the portion used in
relation to the copyrighted work
work as a whole;
4. and, the effect of use upon the potential market for or
value of the copyrighted
work."
In the instance of reproducing court records for non-profit, educational
one-family research, # 1 and # 3 clearly signal "fair use."
# 2 is not understood and # 4 is clearly de minimus; after all, how many
Poythresses are there as a "market" for what we extract. Albeit not
"unanimous," remember that the "claim" has not even cleared the previous
"hurdle" to get to this consideration in the first place.
3-
Yet a third intangible factor might seemingly transcend the legal aspect
and that is the sympathy for the "efforts" of the copier. This is deemed
a non-issue considering two facts: first, although the information may
have been obscure and difficult to find because there is very little of
it, obscurity does not entitle a mere copier to monopoly ownership which
would freeze out other researchers pursuing their own non-profit,
educational purposes (i. e. a genealogy data base).
Second, and probably more importantly, until 1991, compilations were
protected by copyrights as the "authors" had expended considerable
effort to compile them into a "new" work. The U. S. Supreme Court threw
out this "sweat of the brow" theory in its in its decision "Feist
Publications v. Rural Telephone Service" (499 U. S. 340).
The venerable Rootsweb itself weighs in even more clearly on this point:
"COPYRIGHTING GREAT-GRANDPA. Facts, like ancestors, do not belong to
only
some of us -- they may be freely included in anyone's data. Also you can
compile a family tree about any family you wish -- being related to that
family in any way is not a requirement. Even if you are the first one to
learn that your great-grandparents were married on the "Black Nymph" on
their way to Australia in 1843, you can not "own" that fact. It does not
matter how much time and/or money it costs you to discover a fact, it is
still an uncopyrightable fact."
Here is a typical instance of the problem to which I refer:
Prince George Co, Va 1810 Census
C copyright 1999 by Linda L Chandler
NOTICE: Do NOT include in any publication,
CD, Newsletter, or archive for sell. You may copy
For your own use, provided my copyright is intact.
Edward LEE to Polly BONNER---21 Feb 1788
John Taylor LEE to Sarah Chappell MOORE---7 Oct 1790, etc. etc.
Aside from the question of how marriage data gets copyrighted as part of
a census at least Ms. Chandler showed an unearned amount of grace in
"granting permission", etc. etc. However, as far as we should be
concerned Ms. Chandler can rattle on however she chooses. I will plan
to "extract" in whole or in part just as much of this TYPE OF
information as I like and will indicate at the bottom of the
"extraction":
Public Domain Material
Transcribed By Linda L.
Chandler 1999
As a side issue "All Rights Reserved" presumably carries some other type
of restriction on use. Well, if the copyright isn't valid in the first
place, the term only means that the copier can reserve any rights the
copier has...which, in this instance is none.
Anybody have a different take?
Thanks,
Maynard
02/09/2004 9:11:58
Copyrights
Well said and well intentioned, cuzzins!
You have my unconditional agreement with what you say about copyrighting
genealogical information, whatever the source! In the first place, how can
someone "copyright" what they happen to have acquired, one way or another, about the
life data and experiences of my family and your's?
Oh, it's a lot of fun to play detective and we feel triumphant, don't we,
when we succeed in compiling a string of 23 generations of one of our families
and lo and behold! It makes sense. But it's a "collection". Nothing more,
nothing less. It's not poetry ;it's not a well-written book;it's not Da Vinci;
it's not Picasso. It's just a collection of our family members and that's pretty
terrific but not, in my considered opinion, "copyrightable" intellectual
treasure.
By that I mean, we are not speaking of "original thought" when we collect
data from censuses or city/county/state vital records, historical societies,
newspaper archives, oral histories and other sources in order to make something
that pertains to our own families. By its very nature we are using information
gleaned by someone else and collected through the passing years. Is there any
area of research that should more appropriately belong freely to everyone than
the search for our families and our human connection?
Frankly, I have to say that someone who believes such collected material
should be copyrighted has some pretty pretentious notions about genealogy research
and seems to me to be someone who always wanted to write a book and didn't do
it.Well, no matter how many copyrights are granted, this is not your book.
I always give any materials I have to anyone who needs/wants them. I even "go
looking" for people online to give it to, scanned photos,whatever. I've
passed along some real gems and I am delighted to think about how thrilled will be
when I pass on something I've come across that's decidely out of the ordinary.
Sharing gen data and artifacts bring me a good portion of the joy I derive
from this hobby.Giving...and yes, receiving.
So, avid "copy-righters", stop kidding yourself and get used to the idea
that this is a hobby, just a hobby, that's mainly based on our own work, but
also,on the work of others.
Good luck in your gen sleuthing and happy days, dear cuzzins!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's very well-written. I could not agree more, and this excessive
use of "copyright" has done a lot to kill the passing and sharing of
real genealogy information on the Internet. If you belong to a lot of
lists like I do, you will frequently hear people lamenting the good
old days when information used to be shared. I think there are
several factors that have contributed to the demise of "we're in this
together" spirit, but you can easily correlate the drop-off of
information sharing about the time that certain know-it-all, sometimes
well-meaning, people began shouting COPYRIGHT!! about 3-5 years ago.
I share some people's frustration with the "commercial" sites grabbing
anything and everything they can find, and then charging other people
for providing that information. But if the information were more
freely and readily available, then these commercial sites would not
have anything to sell.... (think about it).
I spent most of my working career dealing with the science and
engineering communities where patent laws are very real. Patents and
copyrights are supposed to be, in theory, kissing cousins of the same
principles. But the way the laws have been written and implemented
they have lost any resemblance to each other.
Both are supposed to protect intellectual property rights for a short
period of time. Patents are still relatively short, while greed has
driven copyright protection to very long time periods. In both cases,
the intellectual property to be protected is supposed to be original,
and creative, i.e., one-of-a-kind, and something very new.
As you have so well stated, I can certainly see and value the creative
process in music generation and in writing works of fiction. But the
concept of being able to copyright truth and facts, and even to claim
copyright of public records is ludicrous, and an abomination of the
original intent of legalizing copyrights. In fact when you understand
the purpose of copyrights, then having the capability to place a
copyright stamp on truth and facts is, when you think about it,
something of an oxymoron.
A couple of years ago, I did some intense investigation of my own into
the copyright rights -- the real ones, the US Code, not what everyone
thinks they understand. One thing jumped out at me when I compared
these laws to what I knew about patent laws. When one submits a
patent, one is subjected to a lengthy review process by an outside,
supposedly objective, party to determine if the "invention" is truly
new and unique (and not frivolous). The copyright law does not
require such a review. Anybody and everybody can slap a copyright
notice on anything they choose, and then depend upon other people's
willingness to be bullied to try to make money off something that
should remain in the public domain.
I.e., the REAL problem with copyright laws is that there is no legal
review of the material for creativity or newness or uniqueness, etc,
before a copyright notice can be placed on the material. The very
flawed copyright system we have inherited depends upon one or the
other of the interested parties to make a case in court: either the
so-called author, or the person who challenges the copyright. Very
few of the latter people have enough of a vested interest to go to the
expense of a legal challenge, so the abusers just continue with taking
advantage to the absurd system that has evolved. (Conversely you're
going to be hard-pressed to find an author who is going to court to
try to defend his so-called copyright unless there are big $$$
involved in the infringement.)
It's a stupid system, and one that does not serve either the true
creators or the users. But the majority of the people (including most
the Internet genealogy web sites) have allowed themselves to be
bullied into compliance with the wishes of the bulliers.
Lou Poole
02/09/2004 11:07:37
1840 Pensioners Census List online
Barbara P. Neal
FYI - information listing military pensioners (veterans of the
Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, & other military services), has been
available in print form published for the Census Dept in 1841, and in
microfilm, but has not been easy to obtain or access.
Now it has been indexed & placed online as a searchable database at:
www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/colonial/census/1840
02/10/2004 2:17:31
Re: Copyrights
Barbara P. Neal
In light of the current discussion, I thought some of you might be
interested in the below info, of which I sent a copy to our webmaster Al
Tims just before Christmas. Some of you might be interested in reviewing
item "e" listed below, re the current discussion.
Cheers, BPN
>12/21/2003 I wrote to Al:
If you are not a member of the National Genealogical Society (NGS), I
figured you might not be aware that they have some helpful guidelines
available at their website, including "Guidelines for Publishing Web
Pages on the Internet" at which I thought you may be interested in
looking. See below for the website -
From 11/1/03 NGS newsletter:
The NGS Genealogical Standards Committee develops standards and
guidelines in response to needs it perceives and recommendations from
Society members.
a. Standards for Sound Genealogical Research
b. Guidelines for Using Records, Repositories, and Libraries
c. Standards for Use of Technology In Genealogical Research
d. Standards for Sharing Information with Others
e. Guidelines for Publishing Web Pages on the Internet
f. Guidelines for Genealogical Self-Improvement and Growth
An HTML or PDF version of each document can be viewed at
http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.htm
Note: NGS welcomes links to its Standards and Guidelines on other Web
sites, or their reproduction by others, as permitted by the copyright
notice.
2/9/2004 John M. Poythress wrote: Submitting the below "position paper" (I guess it should be
called) for
> comments.
02/10/2004 4:19:10
RE: Poythress
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenda Taylor [mailto:lhawk@intrastar.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:18 AM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: Poythress
John, Thanks for your email.
My interest in the name lies primarily in the fact
that many people say that one Jane Rolfe Bowling
married James Clack Sr., having son James Clack Jr
married Mary Sterling etc. This Jane Rolfe
Bowling is said to be a daughter of Jane Rolfe and
Robert Bowling.
It's really the Clack line I have been
researching, though of course I'm interested in
all the branches. Any ideas about this Jane Rolfe
Bowling? I have seen lots of the Bowling, Rolfe,
Pocahontas controversy on the web, and frankly,
some of it is confusing and some of it quite
tiring.
I happen to be "middle of the roader" and a "show
me the sources" person: I think it is equally
incorrect to jump to conclusions and assume a
lineage because someone says so as it is to
absolutely close our minds to the possibilities
because we haven't seen proofs. So I try to
document everything, and leave those "maybe so's"
in the margins, just in case evidence shows up
later. People seem to get so heated up over this
stuff!! I guess I can understand it, when they
have been doing hard research in libraries,
traveling, checking actual records, etc., it would
be disconcerting and downright annoying to have
people on the internet coming up with all sorts of
unproven ideas and passing them around as fact.
I've done my share of eye-straining research, so I
know. But, anyway, like I said, I stay sort of
open-minded and hopefully friendly all the way
around.
I'll be interested to see if there is any hard
evidence for this Jane Rolfe Bowling's actual
identity and ancestry. Let me know if you have
any info.
Thanks.
Glenda
Glenda....you certainly have a different angle on the thing than I. I
have seen no controversy with respect to Jane Rolfe m. Col. Robert
Bolling, which is not to say that case has been "made" either. I
suspect maybe the debunkers and bunkers on the subject just haven't
gotten that far. They seem to focus on the credibility (or even the
existence) of Jane Poythress.
I'm not altogether sure the case can be made for Jane Poythress either.
The generally accepted "text" on the matter is Pocahontas and Her
Descendents by Wyndham Robertson. Note that Robertson himself was in a
Bolling line and thus with an axe to grind. I recall a half dozen years
ago an advertisement in one of the genealogy magazines to the effect of:
$100 Reward...for information exposing the "devious rumor" perpetrated
by the Bollings to claim descent from Pocahontas." So it is certainly
fair to say the controversy rages on.
This is not an original thought but it must be viewed with some humor
that Virginians, who would otherwise figure their blood "polluted" by
such a marriage in that era, quickly hopped in line once there was an
implication of "royalty" (Princess Matoaka) from which one could be
descended.
Depending on your library access, you may be able to find the series of
volumes binding together all the copies of "Magazine of Virginia
Genealogy."
In the August, 1985 issue there is a fairly scholarly article titled
"The Descendents of Pocahontas: An Unclosed Case." It spends most of
its time debunking the Jane Poythress notion. The authors have a
charming and appropriate quote by J. B. Cabell: Of Pocahontas he wrote:
"Her legend, the more thanks to Virginia's unfailing good taste in
mythology, has been made immortal."
I suspect the authors (Moore & Slatten) have more hard evidence on their
side than did earlier generations of the Bolling family but the article
is still overlong and tedious in my opinion. Granted, that subject is
not a hot one for me so I guess it would seem tedious. They seem to
reach no conclusion other than that Thomas Rolfe (Relfe) did not marry a
Jane Poythress.
I will say that Robertson's text does seem to get a tad more definitive
the further down the line he gets from Jane Poythress. He cites a
document or two (as I recall) with respect to Jane Rolfe Bolling so I'd
casually be inclined to check the notion that there was such a marriage.
One of the small items that tend to make me want to accept "this"
marriage is that Robert Bolling married a second time (Anne Stith) who
was "white."
The CONTEMPORANEOUS convention of citing Bollings as "red Bollings"
(presumably descendents of Robert Bolling and Jane Poythress Rolfe) and
"white Bollings" (descendents of Robert Bolling and Anne Stith) has at
least a ring of probability to it.
And, if the Robertson text has any credibility, then anyone named Jane
Rolfe Bolling would have died while married to the Robert Bolling in
question and not be "eligible" to marry James Clack, Sr. And, of
course, Robert Bolling (barring an improbable divorce or annulment)
wouldn't be alive to make his second marriage to Anne Stith unless first
wife Jane Rolfe Bolling were dead. I wouldn't especially make those
assertions (or any other assertions) in the matter but at the least they
don't seem out of the question.
So, for those such as you or me asking for even a competent rationale,
let alone absolute proof, this cupboard will likely stay bare....but we
can always hope something will turn up.
Best,
John
02/10/2004 5:38:24
RE: 1840 Pensioners Census List online
John M. Poythress
Hey Barb, GREAT FIND...and it's also a "door." The "master page" is
for the group American Local History Network and going through that
"door" opens a multitude of other pages. Just click on their icon.
Maynard
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: 1840 Pensioners Census List online
02/10/2004 6:09:50
RE: Copyrights
JLP
I believe the heart of the issue is encapsulated into the following
statement (from http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandsharing.htm):
"...observe meticulously the legal rights of copyright owners, copying
or distributing any part of their works only with their permission, or
to the limited extent specifically allowed under the law's "fair use"
exceptions..."
Most people simply do not understand "the legal rights of copyright
owners" due to the ambiguity, and (frankly) mess, of the copyright
laws. Whatever "legal rights" means they are not nearly as broad as
most people seem to think (you can do your own investigation by
accessing the official US Government Copyright site at:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/. What most people do not seem to
know is that their copyright is not legally binding if they do not
"register" the material with the copyright office, which requires that
copies of the material must be submitted to the Library of Congress -
Sections 407 and 408 of the linked site are particularly revealing in
this regard). At issue, I believe, is not valid copyright protection,
but rather the invalid stamping of copyright on things that were
intended by the purpose of the law to be so stamped.
For example, since I do not believe there is penalty for placing a copyright notice on something in the public domain
(someone please inform me if I am wrong about this), I can envision
the absurd situation where someone decides to post such-and-such
articles of the US Constitution, and then places a copyright notice on
it. Do the above guidelines state or imply that we must obtain that
person's permission to post our own copies of the same articles?
What recourse do we have against such blatant hijacking of public
domain information? Other than to take on the role of public
defender, hire a team of lawyers, and take everyone to court who
seemingly abuses the true intent of the copyright laws?
On the other hand, "fair use" is unbelievably broad, and similarly
ambiguous. Frankly you can copy and produce just about anything you
care to use in the genealogical context under the guidelines (or lack
thereof) of "fair use." The only legal requirement to invoke the
"fair use" doctrine is to cite the source, which is - in my opinion -
a MUST anyway.
Lou Poole
02/10/2004 8:19:34
RE: Copyrights
John M. Poythress
Barb, I don't have any problem with any of it except:
---display a footer at the bottom of each Web page which contains the
Web site title, page title, author's name, author's contact information,
date of last revision and a copyright statement.
I'm not sure that one bothers me either, except the "copyright"
statement is slightly ambiguous for our purpose. If the material is not
copyrightable and the matter is self-evident by the clear definition of
the law, I say we give cordial and complete attribution but the
"copyright statement" we make is politely to the effect that the
material is in the public domain.
Okay?
Maynard
02/10/2004 8:36:38
Re: Copyrights
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard et al,
I'm not trying to "recommend" anything to anybody (including Al) except
that each of you who *are* interested in the issue of copyright (as I
assume Al is) might wish to see the NGS Standards & Guidelines info.
Not any soapbox here, one way or the other I just have too many
other vital current concerns dragging at my attention (including
eldercare issues of a family member in a distant state) to want to get
into any big study or decision-making role on copyrights.
Cheers, B
2/10/2004 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barb, I don't have any problem with any of it except:
>
> ---display a footer at the bottom of each Web page which contains the
> Web site title, page title, author's name, author's contact information,
> date of last revision and a copyright statement.
>
> I'm not sure that one bothers me either, except the "copyright"
> statement is slightly ambiguous for our purpose. If the material is not
> copyrightable and the matter is self-evident by the clear definition of
> the law, I say we give cordial and complete attribution but the
> "copyright statement" we make is politely to the effect that the
> material is in the public domain.
>
> Okay?
>
> Maynard
02/10/2004 9:24:27
Re: Theodore Milton POYTHRESS
Randy,
I might be able to help with some information on Theodore Milton Poythress if
you are interested.
Theodore Milton Poythress was my 1st cousin. His father, Theodore Hull
Poythress, was my father's (Joseph Eugene Poythress, Sr.) oldest brother.
Milton was married twice. He had '1' daughter by his first wife -- the
daughter, Eva Lynette "Lindy" SILLERS, is presently living in Effingham County near
Gyton, GA.
He had '2 daughters by his 2nd wife, one is Carolyn P. Elder of Rogersville,
TN but I can't offhand recall the name of the 2nd daughter.
If here is anything other info you are interested in on this subject I may be
able to help.
Bud Poythress
Wilmington, NC
02/15/2004 2:50:47
Re: Theodore Milton POYTHRESS
Randy Jones
Thanks so much for the additional information.
-- Randy Jones
--- Mike Chapman wrote:
> Randy,
> Found these while doing search on Estelle Gladys
> Gordon, wife of Theodore
> Milton POYTHRESS
>
> Theodore Milton POYTHRESS
> Name: THEODORE POYTHRESS
> SSN: 258-12-5085
> Last Residence: 31404 Savannah, Chatham, GA
> Born: 10 Nov 1911
> Last Benefit:
> Died: Aug 1975
> State (Year) SSN issued: GA (Before 1951 )
>
> Father of Theodore Milton POYTHRESS
> Name: THEODORE POYTHRESS
> SSN: 254-24-9654
> Last Residence: 31404 Savannah, Chatham, GA
> Born: 29 Jun 1889
> Last Benefit:
> Died: Nov 1969
> State (Year) SSN issued: GA (Before 1951 )
>
> Happy Hunting,
> Mike Chapman
>
>
>
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02/15/2004 8:19:43
Valuable tool I just located
koswcartist
Today I stumbled across this link. It lets you have the current address and phone number of any county recorder office [some states call counties parishes] in the usa. patti
http://www.zanatec.com/home.html
02/15/2004 8:40:21
Genealogical Codicil
John M. Poythress
The below, or some variation on the theme, strikes me as not a half bad
idea. Someone had posted it anonymously on the Screven Co., GA wire.
Maynard
Genealogical Codicil to My Last Will and Testament
To my spouse, children, guardian, administrator and/or executor:
Upon my demise it is requested that you DO NOT dispose of any or all of
my
genealogical records, both those prepared personally by me and those
records prepared by others which may be in my possession, including but
not
limited to books, files, notebooks or computer programs for a period of
two
years.
During this time period, please attempt to identify one or more persons
who
would be willing to take custody of the said materials and the
responsibility of maintaining and continuing the family histories. [If
you
know whom within your family or friends are likely candidates to accept
these materials, please add the following at this point: "I suggest that
the persons contacted regarding the assumption of the custody of these
items include but not be limited to" and then list the names of those
Please remember that my genealogical endeavors consumed a great deal of
time, travel, and money. Therefore it is my desire that the products of
these endeavors be allowed to continue in a manner that will make them
available to others in the future.
Signature ___________________________ Date ___________
Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
02/17/2004 2:47:10
RE: Genealogical Codicil
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Thanks for sharing this Maynard. I sent it to several people I know have
thought about what is going to happen to all their research when this time
come.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
The below, or some variation on the theme, strikes me as not a half bad
idea. Someone had posted it anonymously on the Screven Co., GA wire.
Maynard
Genealogical Codicil to My Last Will and Testament
To my spouse, children, guardian, administrator and/or executor:
Upon my demise it is requested that you DO NOT dispose of any or all of
my
genealogical records, both those prepared personally by me and those
records prepared by others which may be in my possession, including but
not
limited to books, files, notebooks or computer programs for a period of
two
years.
During this time period, please attempt to identify one or more persons
who
would be willing to take custody of the said materials and the
responsibility of maintaining and continuing the family histories. [If
you
know whom within your family or friends are likely candidates to accept
these materials, please add the following at this point: "I suggest that
the persons contacted regarding the assumption of the custody of these
items include but not be limited to" and then list the names of those
Please remember that my genealogical endeavors consumed a great deal of
time, travel, and money. Therefore it is my desire that the products of
these endeavors be allowed to continue in a manner that will make them
available to others in the future.
Signature ___________________________ Date ___________
Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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www.poythress.net
02/17/2004 3:16:30
Re: Theodore Milton POYTHRESS
Randy Jones
Bud --
Thanks so much for the additional information.
-- Randy
--- BudPoythress@aol.com wrote:
> Randy,
>
> I might be able to help with some information on
> Theodore Milton Poythress if
> you are interested.
>
> Theodore Milton Poythress was my 1st cousin. His
> father, Theodore Hull
> Poythress, was my father's (Joseph Eugene Poythress,
> Sr.) oldest brother.
>
> Milton was married twice. He had '1' daughter by
> his first wife -- the
> daughter, Eva Lynette "Lindy" SILLERS, is presently
> living in Effingham County near
> Gyton, GA.
>
> He had '2 daughters by his 2nd wife, one is Carolyn
> P. Elder of Rogersville,
> TN but I can't offhand recall the name of the 2nd
> daughter.
>
> If here is anything other info you are interested in
> on this subject I may be
> able to help.
>
> Bud Poythress
> Wilmington, NC
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
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Re: Genealogical Codicil
Michael Tutor
I wish the earlier genealogists had left a codicil like this. I would have a
wealth of records as would probably everyone...........MT
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Genealogical Codicil
> The below, or some variation on the theme, strikes me as not a half bad
> idea. Someone had posted it anonymously on the Screven Co., GA wire.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
> Genealogical Codicil to My Last Will and Testament
>
>
>
> To my spouse, children, guardian, administrator and/or executor:
>
>
>
> Upon my demise it is requested that you DO NOT dispose of any or all of
> my
>
> genealogical records, both those prepared personally by me and those
>
> records prepared by others which may be in my possession, including but
> not
>
> limited to books, files, notebooks or computer programs for a period of
> two
>
> years.
>
>
>
> During this time period, please attempt to identify one or more persons
> who
>
> would be willing to take custody of the said materials and the
>
> responsibility of maintaining and continuing the family histories. [If
> you
>
> know whom within your family or friends are likely candidates to accept
>
> these materials, please add the following at this point: "I suggest that
>
>
> the persons contacted regarding the assumption of the custody of these
>
> items include but not be limited to" and then list the names of those
>
> individuals at this point, with their
>
> addresses and telephone numbers if known]
>
>
>
> 1._____________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> 2._____________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> 3._____________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> 4._____________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> In the event you do no find anyone to accept these materials, please
>
> contact the various genealogical organizations that I have been a member
> of
>
> and determine if they will accept some parts or all of my genealogical
>
> materials. [List of organizations, addresses and phone numbers at
> bottom;
>
> include local chapters, with their addresses, phone numbers and contact
>
> persons if available as well as state/national contact information and
>
> addresses]
>
>
>
> 1._______________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> 2._______________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Please remember that my genealogical endeavors consumed a great deal of
>
> time, travel, and money. Therefore it is my desire that the products of
>
> these endeavors be allowed to continue in a manner that will make them
>
> available to others in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> Signature ___________________________ Date ___________
>
>
>
>
>
> Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
>
>
>
>
>
> Witness ____________________________ Date ___________
>
>
>
>
>
>
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02/17/2004 12:03:39
Re: Rev War Vets who are DAR Patriots
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, before you spend money for copies of the DAR applications
filed on these 2 Poythress Patriots, ask them what year the most recent
applications were filed on each of them. I wouldn't put any faith in the
exact dates shown for these men unless there was some good source cited
to back up the application, such as copies of a Family Bible.
The older applications had v-e-r-y little in the way of sources cited
for the information on them; in more recent years (circa 1990s or
perhaps as early as the 1980s, to present), the DAR has required a lot
more in the way of source citations & copies of sources, before
accepting lines of descent to the applicants from the Patriots. It is
unlikely that applications from the really early years would give any
helpful info.
The NSDAR Library in Washington, DC is a large library of books in a
beautiful building. The book collection is many times larger than my
local branch of the public library here. Yes, that building also houses
the copies of application records filed by applicants (on microfilm, by
the way), and indeed houses files of copies of documentation sent in
with applications in more recent years. In earlier years, the copies of
documentation sent with applications were sent back to the applicant
after they were reviewed. Those files that they do have, are only
brought out for review upon request by Patriot's name). But researchers
more typically are there to use the large collection of books. Copies of
the application records are NOT free to members, by the way, and
photocopies of other items of interest (pages of books; files0 are not
free to members either.
If you look at what you received (copied below from your message),
you'll see that Peter's patriotic service was NOT military -- "Rank:
Patriotic Service" means service OTHER than military that helped the
cause, such as serving as Justice of the Peace, or Clerk of Court, or
Sheriff or something.
2/20/2004 John M. Poythress wrote:
> A search of our Patriot Index provided the information found below.
POYTHRESS, Peter
Birth: VA 2 Apr 1733
Service: VA
Rank: Patriotic Service
Death: VA 19 Dec 1787
Patriot Pensioned: No
Widow Pensioned: No
Children Pensioned: No
Heirs Pensioned: No
Spouse: (1) Elizabeth Bland
>
POYTHRESS, William
Birth: VA 1737
Service: VA
Rank: 1Lt, Continental Line
Death: VA 1783
Patriot Pensioned: No
Widow Pensioned: No
Children Pensioned: No
Heirs Pensioned: No
Spouse: (1) Elizabeth X
02/20/2004 8:52:25
Rev War Vets
John M. Poythress
Recently the Odom Library in Moultrie, GA ran a short article to the
effect that the DAR ladies were giving free look-up summaries of Rev.
War vets "in their library" which I took to mean those vets used by one
or more ladies as "qualifiers" for DAR membership.
I went to the DAR site (DAR.org) where the instructions are. While the
"form" clearly wants you to only give them one vet by full name I made a
request that they do a surname search, my theory being that there
couldn't have been more than two or three of them.
This is what they sent back:
A search of our Patriot Index provided the information found below.
POYTHRESS, Peter
Birth: VA 2 Apr 1733
Service: VA
Rank: Patriotic Service
Death: VA 19 Dec 1787
Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No
Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No
Spouse: (1) Elizabeth Bland
POYTHRESS, William
Birth: VA 1737
Service: VA
Rank: 1Lt, Continental Line
Death: VA 1783
Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No
Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No
Spouse: (1) Elizabeth X
Directions for ordering a record copy of the application submitted for
this patriot can be found at
http://www.dar.org/natsociety/content.cfm?ID=146 &hd=n&FO=Y.
My comments:
1- we know from the bounty grant applications that upwards of 7 or 8
of our guys "served." I take this answer to mean that only these two of
them have been used by applicants as "qualifiers." I'm assuming from my
trips to the SAR library here in Louisville that the DAR library is
similar in that their main "holding" is a compendium of all the
applications by all the members who presented a line that was accepted.
2- Peter we know well. I was a little surprised to see exact dates
for his birth and
death. Both dates, but especially the birth date, vary from RBB's
record.
3- William is interesting. We know there were 3 Williams who served,
RBB numbers 252,
283 and 211 3. If his spouse is correctly shown as "Elizabeth", I would
like to do
some eliminating; unfortunately Batte shows no wives for Williams
numbers 211 3 and
283. William 252 m. Mary Eppes but we can't eliminate (or
"select") him because Batte clearly shows him as having had a second
wife. I was not comfortable drawing any conclusions from the ages of
the fathers of the "Williams" at the birth dates given in the DAR
records, all 3 looked to be "possibles."
Does anyone have any comments to add to this?
And, before I spring for the 20 bucks for the records, do we have any
DAR members (listening Julie?) who could get us a freebie? If not, I'll
go ahead and order.
Maynard
02/20/2004 10:10:58
Rev war
Julie Cabitto
If you meant the Julie that's me, I was reading, but am not a DAR member yet. Sorry. I am going to Richmond tomorrow. There's a few Poythress-Speed-Dortch connections. I found a few things on the library of VA websight I'm going to look up. One of which is a War of 1812 record for Newman Dortch married to Sally Speed. At least he's the only Newman Dortch I know of that lived in Mecklenburg. I'm hoping if I look up a little more on the Speeds I may be able to see more relationships explained between the 3 families. I'll let you know if I find anything good. If not, I don't live far from Richmond and will go back again later.
Julie Cabitto
02/20/2004 11:54:37
Sarah Poythress Dortch 1815
Hi Julie,
In response to your inquiry:
"The Census puts Sarah as being born abt 1815. This census record and the
marriage record are all I can find while Sarah was living. On her children's
marriage record it says: parents: William and Sarah Dortch.
In 1870, Sarah's son Oliver Dortch shows up in Nutbush, Warren, NC living
with Charles Poythress, son of David Poythress and Sally Dortch. But David is too
young to be Sarah's father. I'd really love to find out which Poythress
family she belongs to."
There are two girls in the Lewis Poythress household in 1820 and 1830 in
Mecklenburg, VA. In the 1840 census the younger girl is absent and I think this
makes her a candidate to be a sister of David Poythress. And would make Charles
and Oliver first cousins and evidently very close.
And to your second thought:
"I have a Dortch Reference book written by Mr. Perrin.
On pg. 207 it says:
Mary Speed Dortch married David Poythress in Mecklenburg Co., VA Marriage
bond dated 17 Dec 1827. Consent given by Ann Dortch, mother of Mary Speed.
Do you know who this Ann Dortch is? I have a guess, that I could try to
verify....
On pg 103 it says:
Noah Dortch married Ann Lucas, 25 Apr 1780. He died abt 1781. Ann remarried
11 Feb 1784 in Mecklenburg to Benjamin Farrell. Noah and Ann had at least one
child: Noah Dortch.
I do see a Will listing for Noah Dortch with Ann Dortch heir. I could pull
that and see if there's any other children listed. The will looks like it was
dated in 1781, which wouldn't give them much time to have more than one child."
From a Family TreeMaker file #1448 is this data: Newman Dortch born abt. 1775
in Mecklenburg Co., VA. and died abt. 1835 in the same County and State, was
married to Sarah Speed on March 29, 1800.
Their children:
1. James David Dortch, married Nancy Ann ____in 1824
2. Lucy Russell Dortch, married to James M. Tucker in 1824
3. Mary Speed Dortch born abt. 1808, married David Poythress Dec. 17, 1827
4. Dortch born between 1810-1820
5. Dortch born between 181880-1820
6. William Archer Dortch born abt. 1818 in Ridgeway, Warren Co., N. C. died
abt 1850 married Sarah G. Poythress Jan. 31, 1837, Warren Co. , N. C.
(Note that William Archer was surety for marriage of Lewis Y. Poythress and
Mary C. Ferguson)
7. Sarah/Sally Dortch born abt 1820, married David Poythress March 1848 in
Warren Co., NC.
Just speculating here but could it be that Sarah's full name was Sarah Ann
and she preferred the name Ann in signing for the marriage of her daughter Mary
Speed to David? That would also differentiate between her and the younger
daughter Sarah.
Look forward to hearing about your research at the VA archives.
Best, Barbara (BPW)
02/21/2004 7:20:15
Re: New Book
Barbara P. Neal
FYI - Actually, WillowBend & Heritage Books are all one, now.
WillowBend's website is:
www.willowbendbooks.com
Their search engine is much easier to use than the one at the Heritage
Books website. At WillowBend, click on "advanced search" on left side of
the homepage screen. Then you can search on author or on many other fields.
BPN
John M. Poythress wrote:
> This announcement is from Eastmans weekly genealogy letter. Eastman
> gives a source but I'm sure most of us with an interest will contact
> Craig Scott at Willowbend Books instead. MP
>
> Adventurers Of Purse And Person, Virginia 1607-1624/5. Fourth Edition.
> Published for the Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5.
> Edited by John Frederick Dorman, C.G., F.A.S.G.Volume I: Families A-F.
> This is the fourth edition of the most celebrated compendium of family
> histories in all of Virginia genealogy. Prepared under the auspices of
> the Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5 in anticipation of
> the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown, and edited by the
> foremost authority on Virginia genealogy, John Frederick Dorman, this
> new edition extends the lines of descent of the founding families of
> Virginia from four generations to six, bringing most families down to
> the Revolutionary or early Federal periods. http://www.heritagebooks.com
>
02/23/2004 3:35:46
New Book
John M. Poythress
This announcement is from Eastmans weekly genealogy letter. Eastman
gives a source but I'm sure most of us with an interest will contact
Craig Scott at Willowbend Books instead. MP
Adventurers Of Purse And Person, Virginia 1607-1624/5. Fourth Edition.
Published for the Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5.
Edited by John Frederick Dorman, C.G., F.A.S.G.Volume I: Families A-F.
This is the fourth edition of the most celebrated compendium of family
histories in all of Virginia genealogy. Prepared under the auspices of
the Order of First Families of Virginia, 1607-1624/5 in anticipation of
the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown, and edited by the
foremost authority on Virginia genealogy, John Frederick Dorman, this
new edition extends the lines of descent of the founding families of
Virginia from four generations to six, bringing most families down to
the Revolutionary or early Federal periods. http://www.heritagebooks.com
02/23/2004 5:23:44
New Search Engine
John M. Poythress
New search engine: www.treezy.com is in beta
but one can still use it. They claim the design is to segregate a
search into genealogical searches only. No mention of whether or not it
will eventually be a pay site but it is supposedly free at least while
in beta. I took a peek at some of it. Interesting stuff.
Maynard
02/23/2004 6:23:31
RE: New Book
John M. Poythress
Yep, I realized that when I clicked the link later.
Also noted is that this new edition covers only families A thru F. I
have long admired Mr. Dorman's work but he's been around a long
time....I hope he's around to finish the alphabet.... or selfishly
maybe at least thru the P's.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:36 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: New Book
FYI - Actually, WillowBend & Heritage Books are all one, now.
WillowBend's website is:
www.willowbendbooks.com
02/24/2004 3:16:45
Re: New Book
Barbara P. Neal
Certainly the A thru F section of the alphabet includes such names as
Batte, Bolling, Cocke, Epps, and others very familiar to all of us.
Since the work is being updated "in anticipation of the 400th
anniversary of the founding of Jamestown" in 1607, perhaps the wonderful
Mr. Dorman will complete volumes for approximately 7 or 8 letters of the
alphabet early in 2005, & 2006 & 2007, thus completing the whole
alphabet by the early part of the anniversary year.
Cheers, BPN
John M. Poythress wrote:
> Yep, I realized that when I clicked the link later.
>
> Also noted is that this new edition covers only families A thru F. I
> have long admired Mr. Dorman's work but he's been around a long
> time....I hope he's around to finish the alphabet.... or selfishly
> maybe at least thru the P's.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:36 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: New Book
>
> FYI - Actually, WillowBend & Heritage Books are all one, now.
> WillowBend's website is:
> www.willowbendbooks.com
>
>
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02/24/2004 3:48:02
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Moral issues completely aside I'm not sure if this is a "perspective" or a collection of anecdotes. Still, it was very interesting.
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02/25/2004 12:15:14
Treezy
John M. Poythress
Below is the newest edition of Robert Ragan's monthly genealogy
newsletter titled "Treasure Maps Genealogy Letter." He distributes
this newsletter free of charge albeit some part of it is a commercial
for the stuff he sells so he's unconcerned about the copyright issue as
long as one forwards it "in whole."
This issue is directed to search engines in general and the new
genealogy engine "treezy." Treezy promises to be an interesting tool
although it is still in beta and is not a finished product. Whether it
will be free or a pay site when they finish with it is something I have
not heard.
Thought you all might be interested.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Ragan [mailto:robert@amberskyline.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:10 PM
To: Treasure Maps Subscriber
Subject: February Issue - Treasure Maps Genealogy Newsletter
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February 2004 Issue - Treasure Maps Genealogy Newsletter
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TREASURE MAPS Genealogy E-mail Newsletter
February 2004 Issue
Copyright 2004 by Robert Ragan. All rights reserved.
Hi Dear Reader,
There are STILL lots of special things planned for 2004,
so stay tuned. Don't forget that you can see the latest
issue of Treasure Maps at this link--
http://amberskyline.com/missedmytm/
The newsletter continually has trouble getting through
to many of you and I am working on that problem.
*This month, I want you to GO TO this Web site:
http://www.treezy.com/
This is the "TreEZy Genealogy Search Engine." It came
out just this month and is still running in Beta. This
means (as quoted from their site), "that the search
engine may be unavailable, run slow, or be updated at
any time -- as we try to fine tune how it operates."
FamilyToolbox.net, Inc. has created this project with
Matthew L. Helm and April Leigh Helm (from Helm's
Genealogy Toolbox and the "Genealogy Online For
Dummies" book series) at the helm (pun intended).
This is interesting because it is a genealogy search
engine and because the Helm's are doing it. Just
remember that it is still Beta and has a long way
to go. They are now adding about 100,000 pages
per day to the TreEZy engine.
You want to make this site a favorite and
keep an eye on it. For my PAJAMA Genealogy
students--this may be one more STOP in the
framework of your customized cookie-cutter
process.
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02/29/2004 5:31:19
Pocahontas (& VA Dare) Descendants - What Value? Future considerations!
Barry Wetherington
Hi Keith/Connie Street, & All interested;
I started the Poca-L List because there were so many Poca stories, it was
difficult to sort them out. It is still way too early to make any type of final
determinations. Perhaps dna answers are just over the horizon, or 50 yrs away,
or will never be found. Maybe Poca's remains will eventually be located where
they were re-buried in GravesEnd Church, London, and dna testing can be done.
Maybe newly developed testing can find other dna 'markings' that will transcend
the presently existing limitations of mitachondrial (female) typing, succeeding
& successful solely through live person testing. To take it way out, perhaps the
threat of terrorism will cause worldwide blood/dna typing, leading to
determination of family lines. Who knows???, but perhaps what we do today will
have significant effects on future civilization. Right now, many of us do it
just because it seems worthwhile and interesting.
And perhaps in contrast to you Keith & Connie, I AM trying to stir things up,
in a positive 'lets look for answers' way. Heck, I've even suggested there could
be a family/ blood/ dna connection between Poca and America's first citizen
Virginia Dare, she of the Lost Colony fame. They existed only about 100 miles of
interior waterway apart (Jamestown 1607 [400th Anniv approaching] & the NC Lost
Colony 1587), and it might just have been barely possible for Ananias Dare &
his wife Eleanor (White) Dare (dau of Lost Colony leader John White) and their
approx 1587 born daughter first anglo citizen Virginia Dare to have escaped the
Lost Colony to the 'Croatans' and have been raised with the 'Croatans,' perhaps
to have provided an additional blood basis to the NAs (Native Americans) of that
NC/VA area, which could have provided the well recognized light skin component
to the NA's of that era, including that of Poca.
I'm not the first to have suggested that, and I do not think the proposition
has been theoretically disproved either. That's still quite a far journey from
any type of proof of anything, but is one potentially not yet shown to be
impossible explanation of events, and perhaps still the best explanation of all
the events at issue. Again, we are just looking into all the circumstances,
perhaps setting up future generations with an interesting quest of some value,
the full extent and/or value of which is still unknown.
Who cares and why should anyone care about such a connection? Of what value
might it be in the future - to be indentified to be 'of' the family or descent
of either Virginia Dare or Pocahontas, or perhaps of them both??? Hard to see
it now, but then the changes of last 100 years of life on this planet would have
been forecast by few rational persons almost exactly a century ago as cars,
airplanes, electricity, machines & the telegraph all originated at about the
turn into the 20th century. Just this internet and RootsWeb Lists are/were
almost un imaginable more than just 30 years ago.
Our children and theirs could have quite a ride!
Barry
I don't intend to burden the POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com, ROLFE-L@rootsweb.com,
BOLLING-L@rootsweb.com Lists with more of this - if interested, they can join
Poca-L at the Poca-L Link below. But there seemed to be enough common interest
items, including the potential 4 (or 5?) family ancestorship family candidates
[POYTHRESS, ROLFE, & BOLLING] and some of the sources therof, to make a few
postings of value. bw
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith/Connie Street"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: [Poca] Other Pocahontas Descendants
Dear Barry, Nicole & List,
Maybe Barry can enlighten me. I'm not trying to stir anything up, and I don't
have a descent from Pocahontas, only a connection. My connection is through
Robert Bolling and his second wife, Anne Stith, and their descendants. So as
they used to distinguish between the "red" Bollings and the "white" Bollings, I
didn't make the "red" list, even though I would be a cousin to all of them, John
Bolling's descendants and also Pocaontas descendants..
My question has to do with a faint recollection that some other people claimed
a descent from Pocahontas. I think they believed that Pocahontas bore a baby
while in England and before her death, and that this second child of Pocahontas
grew up and had descendants. My recollection was that this was never proven or
accepted by the John Bolling descendants. I hope Barry can clarify the
situation. Is there still a group that claims descent from Pocahontas other than
through John Bolling and his Rolfe wife?
Thank you.
Keith/Connie Street
"We elect our officials. To do so, we require an educated,
informed citizenry. That is why the constitutional framers
endorsed a free press along with access to education."
- Greenlee School of Journalism and Communication
==== POCAHONTAS Mailing List ====
To One Click Join AND to search the Vast Archives of this Poca List:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
http://www.universitylake.org/primarysources.html (Great Resources)
Here is an interesting set of msgs relecting potential relationships,
suggesting additional possible family connections between the POYTHRESS family
and descendants of Pocahontas and her siblings & descendants and/or ancestors,
including of the Rolfe & Bolling families, perhaps interesting for further
investigation. There are other msgs of interest in the Archives of all these
families.
Barry Wetherington
List Host Poca-L
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Dear Nicole,
Didn't Thomas ROLFE marry Jane POYTHRESS (dau Capt. Francis POYTHRESS, I)
in VA as his 2nd wife ?
I thought he was first married in England to Elizabeth WASHINGTON. They had
a daughter named Ann ROLFE who married William BARNETT. We do not hear as much
of these descendants. I have note of 2 BARNETT sons.
Here is something I have shared in the past with the Pocahontas newsgroup. I
researched this a number of years ago, and I see I have Ann Rolfe married to a
Peter Elwyn, not a William Barnett. But I think it answers your question on
Jane, the wife of Thomas.
Sincerely,
Mary Tim Baggott
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Thomas ROLFE was born in 1615, the only child of John ROLFE and the Indian
Pocahontas. Pocahontas died in 1617 while they were visiting England.
Thomas was raised in England, ultimately by the brother (Henry) of his father,
but came to Virginia about 1640 after the death of his father there.
(Thomas had inherited land in Virginia from his father which was probably the
main reason Thomas came to America at this time). It was generally thought in
the early part of the 20th century that Thomas had only one child, Jane, who
married Colonel Robert BOLLING early in 1675. However, in recent decades a lot
of research has been done on Thomas, and he may have had as many as 6 children
by as many as 4 wives. Following are the alleged children of Thomas ROLFE, the
son of Pocahontas & John ROLFE. They are not necessarily in the order of birth.
From Marriage # 1:
Thomas ROLFE may have married in England before he came to Virginia. He would
have been around 20 years old. There is the wedding of a Thomas ROLFE &
Elizabeth WASHINGTON on record. They had a daughter Anne ROLFE, and Elizabeth
died shortly after her birth. Anne was allegedly raised by a cousin of John
ROLFE named Anthony ROLFE (detractors of this story say that Anne was a natural
daughter of Anthony). Anne married Peter ELWYN/ELWIN & this family has the
tradition of being descended from Pocahontas. This family also had some things,
like a vase, that had belonged to Pocahontas, which is now in a museum.
From Marriage # 2:
At about age 30, a Thomas ROLFE had a son named Thomas Jr. & another just
younger named William. Some question whether this Thomas was the same as Thomas
the son of Pocahontas. There may also have been a John by the same wife. This
would have been an appropriate name for the oldest grandson of John ROLFE &
Pocahontas since in those times a first born boy was traditionally, altho not
necessarily, named after his paternal grandfather.
Thomas Jr. had a son Thomas III & a daughter Dorothy. Dorothy may have died
without children. William also seems to have had a son named Thomas.
William had 2 grandchildren named Thomas & Mary. This is known as the North
Carolina branch. The name was often spelled RELFE or RELF or ROFE in these
records.
From Marriage # 3:
Thomas ROLFE allegedly married a cousin of Pocahontas named Oconoco, and they
supposedly had a son also named Thomas ROLFE Jr. but called Powhatan. There is a
WEYLAND family that traces their ancestry back to this person which WEYLAND
family is the source of this information.
From Marriage # 4:
Wyndham ROBERTSON names the wife of Thomas ROLFE as Jane POYTHRESS. Evidently
this wife's alleged name is a corruption of the name, Jane PYERS (PIERCE), the
name of Thomas' stepmother (namely the wife John ROLFE married in VA after the
death of Pocahontas). Someone along the way mixed up these 2 women, and the
experts don't know what Thomas' wife or wives were really named. The child born
from this marriage was Jane, who married Robert BOLLING. Thomas was about 40
years old when Jane was born. Jane & Robert BOLLING had one child, John; Jane
died during or shortly after his birth in 1676. John BOLLING's descendents were
known as the Red BOLLINGs to differentiate them from the White BOLLINGs, who
were descended from Robert BOLLING's second (not native American) wife, Anne
STITH. John BOLLING had one son, John BOLLING II (b. 1700), and five daughters.
John BOLLING II married Elizabeth BLAIR. He had 19 children. The daughters of
John Bolling I were: Jane (b. 1703), Elizabeth (b. 1709), Mary (b. 1711),
Martha (b. 1713), and Anne (b. ?). The eldest daughter, Jane, married Colonel
Richard RANDOLPH, and had 9 children. Elizabeth married Dr. William GAY, and
had 5 children. Mary married Col. John FLEMING, and had 8 children. Martha
married Thomas ELDRIDGE, and had 5 children. Anne married James MURRAY, and had
7 children.
Moreover, Pocahontas was apparently married to an Indian before she became a
Christian & married John ROLFE. She could have had one or possibly more
children by this first marriage. It was pointed out that it would be virtually
impossible to trace this kind of ancestry because of the lack of records of
Indian families.
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http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS+2001+1426845+F
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:36:18 -0400
From: "Diana Diamond"
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress/Newby
Flora,
Check out http://www.co.henrico.va.us/manager/pokeypix.htm
which says Pocahontas was known by her people as Amonte. You have too many
generations for most agreed upon genealogies.
To simplify your search, I think it's save to say all of Pocahontas's
descendants flow through John Bolling January 17, 1675/76 and his wife Mary
Kennon, who married December 19, 1697.
Jane Poythress died one after one child, Thomas Rolfe.
This child, Jane Rolfe, died young after one child, John Bolling, as noted
above, husband of Mary Kennon
Just to complicate matters there is a later couple also named John Bolling and
Mary Kennon who married in Abt. 1789.
Also check out
http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1001/poca.html
I am doing my own study of Poythress descendants based on the work of R. Bolling
Batte. It's still in rough form, but it is somewhat complete for
six generations nevertheless. I can't find a Newby among them. Sorry.
Mr. Batte does have one Newby, Jesse, who lived in 18th Century at
http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html. If you're interested it is under
Newsbett, Card 12-13.
Diana
[This is a speciman email from the quite active POYTHRESS-L Archives, in
which there were references to Poca.
Barry]
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I have reentered the following abstracts in correction. It seems that these
do refer to John Poythress(2), son of Francis Poythress(1). And, until
I can prove otherwise, it seems that John Poythress'(2) son was the justice
listed in several entries. The cousins named John Poythress are a problem
to separate and will be until we have the full documents, which hopefully
will differentiate between them in some form. The cousins, Francis Poythress,
and at least one of their sons, Francis Poythress, are another matter to
deal with. For now, until I see differently, I am attaching Hannah Ravenscroft
to John Poythress'(2) son, Francis Poythress. He is the one that I'm showing
as having died in 1738, and with that premise, I am listing the Francis
Poythress, Jr., with adjoining property, as his son. According to Batte,
cousin Francis Poythress(3), son of Francis Poythress(2), was still living
after 1738. Francis Poythress(4), son of John Poythress(3), and grandson
of Francis Poythre!
ss(2), was born around 1707 according to Batte. One
of the remaining Francis Poythresses may have married Hannah Worsham.
John Poythress(2) (c. 1639-1712), son of Francis Poythress(1)
Poythris,
John 24 Oct. 1701, Charles City County, 350a. On the North side of Nottoway
river on the upper end of Umatora old fields....in Surry. Patents 9, 1695-1706,
p. 396.
In 1701, John Poythress, Sr., of Deep Bottom, was credited with
transporting Henry Snellgrove to Virginia: "Grant to John Poythress, Sr.,
of Deep Bottom, 350 acres lying on the north side of the Nottoway River,
for the transportation of seven persons; John Lee, Robt. Boreman, Humphry
Hix, Henry Snelgrove, Mary Drin, U. Standback, Wm. Lambud. 24, Oct 1701."
According
to Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., these abstracts, from the same deed, refer
to John Poythress(2), son of Francis Poythress(1). These abstracts refer
to John Poythress of Deep Bottom. This land was willed to son, David Poythress,
in 1712, and sold by David, July 16, 1735, to Robert Poythress (1690-1743).
The following abstracts are mainly involving the John Poythresses. There are
a few points that differentiate some of the entries. There are also some
points that differentiate the Thomas Poythresses.
John Poythress (c. 1684-1724), son of Francis Poythress(2)
Poythress,
John 23 Oct. 1703, Charles City County, 609 acres on the South side of
James River, on the Blackwater. Beg. on the South side of the Blackwater,
formerly granted to Francis Poythress, 9-28-1681, by him deserted and is
since granted unto the said John Poythress by order of court bearing date
21 April 1703, due for transportation of thirteen persons into the Colony
(names given). Patents 9, 1695-1706, p. 571.
This may be part of the inheritance
that John Poythress left his son, John Poythress, by will in 1724.
Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne
Virginia: Westopher in Charles City County, the 12th day of January 1704/5.
This is a true copy of the last will and testament of the Honorable Col. William
Byrd, one of her majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia lately
deceased: it being examined with the original by me, Francis Nicholson,
Esq., her majesty's Lt. And Governor General of Virginia in the presence
of the honorable Col. Henry Duke, one of her majesty's honorable council
of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Epps of Charles City County, Henry Duke,
Jr. of James City County, Gent.; & Captain Joshua Wynne of Prince George's
County, who said original will appears to be all written by the said Col.
Byrd's own hand without any blot or interlineation and sealed with his
own seal in testimony whereof we have hereunto set our hands the day &
year above written.
Fr. Nicholson, Hen Duke, Littlebury Epps, Henry Duke Junr, Joshua Wynne
Virginia: Westopher in Charles City County, January the 12th 1704/5.
This is a true copy of the addition or codicil endorsed
on the back of the original will of the deceased Col. Wm. Byrd, one of
he majesty's honorable council & auditor of Virginia examined by me, Francis
Nicholson, Esq., her majesty's Lt. And Governor General of Virginia in
the presence of the honorable Col. Henry Duke, one of her majesty's honorable
council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Epps of Charles City County, Henry
Duke, Jr. of James City County, Gent.; & Captain Joshua Wynne of Prince
George's County.
Fr. Nicholson, Hen Duke, Littlebury Epps, Henry Duke Junr, Joshua Wynne
Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) son of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne
Thomas
Wynne, gentleman, of Prince George County, in November, 1707, made deeds,
recorded in Surry, to his daughter, Mary Melone, and to his son, Robert
Wynne.
John Poythress(3) (c. 1676-aft. 1724) son of John Poythress(2)
Gov. Spotswood appointed Capt. John Poythres Sr. to serve with Colonel John
Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Ffrancis Mallory as members of
the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina line on 10-21-1707.
They were to examine under oath "such ancient inhabitants of Prince George,
Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and discover the truth as to
the said bounds between the said colonies." Also they were to ask the "ancient
and intelligent indians of the Nottoway, Meherins and Nansemond nations,"
what they knew about the area. Among the old inhabitants of Prince George
county deposing were: Robert Bolling, Gent. aged 61, who "hath known the
Nottoway river for 37 years or more .. and "Major Wynn's quarter is on
the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town."
Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was
the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne, and
therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1676-aft. 1724). John Poythress(3)
was a cousin to the Hardymans and his wife, Mary Batte (1670-1760), was
a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
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Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne
Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry in 1708.
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Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne
Thomas Wynne was Justice of the Peace in Surry County in 1708.
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John Poythress (c. 1676-after 1724), son of John Poythress(2)
Notes from the Journal Executive Council Colonial Virginia, Vol. III, p. 187.
John Poythress took out patent for 600 acres in Prince George County and
found part of it in Surry...ordered that Surry Surveyor lay that part off,
etc... June 22, 1708.
John Poythress(2) (c.1639-1712), son of Francis Poythress(1)
Will of John Poythress (no date), proven 11 December, 1712.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of Sound
perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The uncertainty of
This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The Allmighty hath been
Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And Chilldren after my deseas
doe make this my last will and Testament in manner & form following Provokeing
all other wills by me hereto fore made.
Item. I bequeath my Soul to Allmighty
God That gave itt Trusting in the merritts and Passion of my Blessed lord
and Saviour Christ Jesus for pardon and Remission of all my Sins in generall
Desireing that my body be decently Intred after ye manner of ye Church
of England to the Discression of my Exrs. Hereafter named ass for my worldly
Estate my debts being first paid I give & bequeath ye Same In manner &
form following.
Item. I give my Son ffrancis Poythres all that Land & Plantacon
I now lived on to him and his Heirs forever.
Item. I give my son David
Poythes three Hundred Acres of Land att Tunnatorah to him and his Heirs
forever.
Item. I give to my Son Josh Poythres three hundred Acres land
at Monkanneck & to his heirs.
Item. I give my Son Robt Poythres Three Hundred
Acres of land at ye Indian Swamp to him for his own proper use and behoof
nott to make Sail of ye sd ffifty Acres of Land.
Item. I give my Son ffrancis Poythres Two negroes named Coffer & Sis.
Item. I to my son David Poythres two negroes named Jack and Young Mary.
Item. I give to my Son Joshua Poythes two Negroes named Betty & Beck.
Item. I give to my Son Robt Poythres two Negroes named Tom and Young Sarah.
Item. I give to my William Poythres Three negroes named ffrank Cook and Ame &
frank Cook at nattuah.
Item. I give to my Son Jno Poythres two negroes & their increase named Bess &
Nanny.
Item. I give my Son Peter Poythres two negroes & their Increase named Benn &
nanny.
Item. I give to my Loveing Wife Christian Poythres three Negroes Named Catto
Usse & Sarah to my loveing wife for Her Proper use and to be at her onw
Disposeing.
Item. I give to my Daughter Eleva. Poythres two Negroes named Pegg and her son
Tom.
Item. I give to my Daughter Christian Poythres two negroes named Moll and John
Cook.
I give to my Loveing wife Christian Poythres my Servt. Jno. Ffeeld Dureing his
time and at his
freedom to have besides his Corn and Cloathes A Cow & Claf & a new Gunn.
Item. I give to my Daughter Mary Woodleif fforty pds Sterling.
Item.
I give all my moveable Estate to be Equally divideed between my wife and
Chilldren my son Jno Poythres & son Petr Poythres giving an acct. of wt
they have in hand.
Item. I give to my granSon ffrancis Poythres & son of
ffra Poythres ye negro Child ye Shu goes withall.
Item. I give to my Loveing
wife Christian Poythres my two negro wences Shu & Jude as her own propr
Estate to be at her own Disposing.
Item. I apoint my loveing wife & my
Son Jno Poythres to be Exrs. Of this my last will and testament.
Item.
I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William Stainback to
be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signed & Sealed in Present Signum of John F Poythress X
Jno + Winninham (Winningham), Petr P Leeth, Tho T Leeth, William Stainback
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712.
The next before Written last Will & Testament
of Mr. John Poythres decd. was Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno.
Winningham, Peter Leigth & William Standback Wittnesses Thereto & a Probt.
Thereof granted Johne Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx.
named Therein & Att Their motion The same is admitted to record.
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Robert Poythress (1690-1747), son of John Poythress(2)
Robert Poythress appears in the records in 1713 when he was accused of
furnishing
ammunition to the Indians. (Ex. Council Col. Va. 3-366).
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John Poythress (c. 1676-aft. 1724) and Robert Poythress (1690-1747), sons of
John Poythress(2)
Prince George County, 8 Jun 1714, Deed (p. 18).
Wit: Rbt. Poythres, Edward Woodlief
From this deed, it would appear that John Poythress(3)
inherited part of the grant to his grandfather, David Peebles.
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Poythress,
John, of Prince George County, 23 March 1715, Isle of Wight County, 100
acres on the north side of the Maherin river. Beg.g &c. on the East side
of the long meadow branch, for the transportation of two persons: Richard
Inglesby and John Phillips. Patents 10, p. 280.
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Thomas Poythress (1694-?), son of John Poythress(3) (c. 1676-after 1724)
Poythres,
Thomas, 23 March 1715, Surry County, 180 acres on the North side of Nottaway
river, 20 shillings, beginning and extending on the North side of the Woodyard
swamp a little above the fork. Patents No. 10, 1710-1719, p. 265.
This
land was bequeathed by Thomas Poythress' daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
Cocke, to her daughter Elizabeth Cocke, in 1801. In her will, Elizabeth
said that she had received the property from her brother, John Poythress.
John Poythress(3) (c. 1676-aft. 1724), son of John Poythress(2)
Prince
George County, Virginia, Court Orders 1714 - 1720, p. 19, 14 Jun 1715.
John Poythres among others listed present as a "gentleman justice" for
the court. Typically, these gentlemen justices are listed as "present"
at the recording of each monthly opening of the court.
Based upon the information
supplied by Dr. Smith, I believe that these entries are of John Poythress(3)
(c. 1676-aft. 1724), who has been identified as the attorney, and therefore
qualified to be a justice for Prince George county.
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Francis Poythress(3) (1678-after 1738), son of Francis Poythress(2)
Prince George Wills and Deeds, p. 269, November 11, 1718
Frances
Poythress, the Elder, of Westover Parish, Prince George County, to Richard
Pace of the same, "for divers good causes and considerations him there
unto wavering but more especially for and in consideration of the value
of One hundred pounds Sterling to him in hand paid by the said Richard
Pace" for the land "Whereon the said Richard Pace now liveth, the plantation
whereon Joseph Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, & Michael Rosser
Senr. Liveth...being about four hundred acres bounded on the lands of the
said Francis Poythress according to several Lines of Marked Trees lately
made between the said Francis and the said Richard."
Wit: Peter Wynne, John (B) Bonner, Thomas Poythress ff. Poythress
Recorded December 9, 1718
The previous abstract
is the only one that shows Francis Poythress as the Elder. Flora B. Dotson
suggests that there were two Francis Poythresses involved in these three
documents, as she noted two different signatures. These are noted here
as either Ff. Poythress or ff. Poythress. The original documents may need
to be scrutinized.
November 11, 1718, p. 269-270
Frances Poythress of Westover Parish, Prince George
County, to Thomas Goodwyn of Surry County, "Witnesseth that the said Fra.
Poythress for full and satisfactory consideration to him in hand paid by
the said Thomas Goodwynn" (not mentioning any amount of money) for One
hundred acres in the P'sh of Westover & County of Prince George bounded
by lands of Peter Grammar and the Lands lately purchased of Richard Pace
by the said Francis Poythress."
Wit: Peter Wynne, John (B) Bonner, Thomas Poythress Ff. Poythress
Recorded December 9, 1718
"On the back of the above Deed was an Endorsement
in the Following -----. Viz: That Livery and Seisin of the Land and Premises
within mentioned was by the therein named ffran. Poythress Delivered in
due form of Law unto the therein named Thomas Goodwynne with Quiet and
peaceable possession and Seisure of the same on the Day and year within
mentioned."
ff. Poythress
The Thomas Poythress on these three deeds is either Thomas
Poythress, son of John Poythress and Mary Batte or Thomas Poythress (abt.
1682-1750), brother of Rebecca Poythress. Peter Wynne (?-abt. 1738) was
the husband of Frances Anderson (?-1725) and grandson of Robert Wynne and
Mary Frances Poythress.
Richard Pace, Francis Poythress and Thomas Goodwyn,
November 11, 1718, 400 acres, Westopher Parish, Prince George County, Book
1713-1728, Page 271-272.
This Indenture made this eleventh Day of November
in the year of our Lord God One thousand seven hundred and eighteen. Between
Richard Pace and Francis Poythress of the County of Prince George of the
one part and Thomas Goodwynne of the County of Surry of the other part,
Witnesseth that the said Richard Pace and Francis Poythress for divers
good causes and considerations then thereunto moving, but more especially
for and in consideration of the sum of One hundred pounds Sterl: to them
in hand paid by the said Thomas Goodwynne at and before the ensealing and
delivery of these presents the rect whereof the said Richard Pace and Francis
Poythress doth hereby acknowledge they themselves to be therewith fully
satisfied contented and paid and thereof doth aquire release and discharge
the said Thomas Goodwynne his Ex Hath given granted bargained sold remised,
released, and for ever quitted claim, and by these presents the said Richard
Pace and Francis Poythress doth for themselves !
their heirs Exrs and Admts
forever give grant bargain sell remise release and for ever quit claim
unto the said Thomas Goodwynne and to his heirs forever to all that seat
tract parcell or dividend of Land situate lying and being in the Pssh of
Westopher in the County of Prince George contain by estimation four hundred
acres of Land, be it more or less and bounded Viz: beginning at the Path
on the Old Town run, where it crosses the same, leading from Old Michael
Rossers plantation to Edward Goodriches plantation, and running thence
Westwardly as the path leads along the said Rossers corn field fence to
the upper end of the same and from thence west nineteen degrees north along
a line of marked trees to a corner oak in the head of a bottom thence down
that bottom by a line of mark trees to the runn between Richard Paces plantation
where he now lives, and the plantation whereon John Whitmore more lately
lived, and so down that runn to the Path at the beginning, together with
Tw!
o hundred acres of Land at the head of the said Richard Paces dividend,
beginning at his southern corner tree and running east fifty chaines to
a red oake, thence No. One hundred and sixty chains to the line dividing
this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Cha. Anderson Decsd: thence
West fifty chains, thence So. One hundred and sixty chains to the beginning.
To have and to hold the said lands and premises hereby granted unto the
said Thomas Goodwynne and to his heirs forever, together with all houses
Orchards, Gardens, Woods, underwoods, wayes, Pastures etc. and all other
the apputenances thereon or thereunto belonging or in any wise appurtaining,
so that neither the said Richard Pace nor Francis Poythress nor their heirs
nor any other person or persons whatever claiming or to claim by from or
under them or either of them shall not at any time hereafter have any right
title interest claims or demand of in or too the sd. Lands and premises,
but that the same with every !
part and parcell thereof shall be and forever
hereafter enure to the only sole proper use of and behoof of him the said
Thomas Goodwynne and to his heirs forever. In Witness whereof we have hereunto
set our hands and affixed our seals the day and year first above written.
Peter Wynne Richd: Pace (sealed with red wax)
John (B) Bonner Ff. Poythress (sealed with red wax)
Thomas Poythress
Recorded Dec. 9, 1718
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Prince George Co., Virginia, Court Orders 1714 - 1720, p. 347, 11 Jan 1720. For
Wolves killed, [i. e. bounty] viz:
Name # killed lbs. Tobacco awarded
Robert Poythres 1 100 (1690-1747)
Joshua Poythres 4 400 (1689-1739)
John Poythres 1 100
John Gilliam Junr 1 100
John Gilliam Senr 2 200
Richard Pace 1 100
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Joshua
Poythress (c. 1687-1739) and William Poythress (1694-1763), sons of John
Poythress(2)
Prince George County, 4 Apr 1721, Deed for lease (p. 458).
Thomas Vinson of North Carolina to William Poythres of the
Colony of Virginia, County of Prince George. Sum: fee rent of 1 grain Indian
Corn; Land: 100 acres bounding Joshua Poythres.
Wit: John Banister, Abraham Cocke
Signed: Thos. Vinson
(note: no kinship link indicated in document)
William Poythress (1694-1763), son of John Poythress(2)
Prince George County, 11 Apr 1721, Deed for lease (p. 458-9).
Thomas Vinson of North Carolina to Wm. Poythres of County of Prince George,
Colony
of Virginia. Sum: 18 pounds; Land: 3 year lease on acreage in Bristol Parish
precisely described.
Wit: John Banister, Abrah. Cocke
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John Poythress (c. 1676-after 1724), son of John Poythress(2)
PrinceGeorge County, Witness that Henry Batte by Last Will and Testament
bequeathed
1,200 acres in Prince George County, Bristol Parish to be equally dividedbetween
his five daughters, viz:
Mary the wife of John Poythres 240 acres
Eliza the wife of Henry Liggon 240 acres
Ann the wife of Edward Stratton 240 acres
Rachell the wife of James Parham 240 acres
Sarah the wife of Abraham Jones 240 acres
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----- Original Message -----
From: GinieReedSayles@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: Lyn Poythress Baird
Hi - I am trying to find Lynn Poythress Baird - we are both descendents of Jesse Morris Sr & his wife Jane via their son, Henry Morris & wife Lucy Drumright from Mecklenburg Co, VA.
My husband & I have traveled to Mecklenburg Co, Brunswick Co, Lunenburg, Sussex, Surry, et cetera, tracing our family - and we have collected much on the descendents. I believe Lyn may be descended from Henry & Lucy's son, Thomas Morris & I am descended from their son Harrison Ruffin Morris. I would love to exchange information.
I look forward to chatting with her - Thanks so much - Ginie Morris
03/01/2004 3:11:41
Re: UNC Library at Chapel Hill
Barbara P. Neal
Great find, BPW, that these items are at Chapel Hill. Hope someone can
check them out soon.
Re one of the manuscript holdings you listed:
The "William Bonnell Hall" is better known to us as "William B. Hall"
who wrote those articles in the 1930s, which I believe were titled
- "Study of Francis Poythress 1, Francis Poythress 2, Francis
Poythress3, and Francis Poythress 4"
- "A Study of the John Poythresses"
- "A Study of Thomas Poythress"
Some years ago, we on this List had tried to find out where Hall's
papers ended up, figuring he might have had further Poythress info that
he had not published. Glad to know that UNC Chapel Hill is the place.
Cheers,
BPN
3/5/2004 Beetle72@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have access to research at the library of the University
of NC at
> Chapel Hill?
>
> In the Manuscripts Dept. at the library there is an index in the
Southern
> History Collection to the papers of Edmonia Cabell Wilkins #2364,
folder #61,
> with a reference to the families of Wilkins, Douglas, Jone, Flood,
Wyche and
> POYTHRESS.
>
> And also a reference to Poythress in the papers of William Bonnell Hall.
>
> This index can be found at http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/index.html
>
> Thank you,
> Barbara (BPW)
03/05/2004 2:29:37
Re: UNC Library at Chapel Hill
Barbara P. Neal
Coincidentally, I saw mention just the other day that Dr. Claiborne T.
Smith, Jr., has also given items to UNC Chapel Hill (see description
below).
I recognized his name & many of you may also, because about 35 or so
years ago, he wrote an article many of us have studied: "Poythress of
Prince George County, VA" which is included in John Bennett Boddie's
"Historical Southern Families." (As far as I know, Dr. Smith is still
living in Pennsylvania.)
I suspect that in the below description, even though "Poythress" isn't
indexed, it could well be one of the "allied families" in these 350
items. I was intrigued by the mention of the surname Speight in the
below write-up, as there were Speights in the Meridian, Mississippi area
associated with some of the Poythress folks there
BPN
= = =
Manuscripts Department
Library of the University of North Carolina
at Chapel Hill
SOUTHERN HISTORICAL COLLECTION
#3088
CLAIBORNE T. SMITH PAPERS
Summary
NOTE: A more complete finding aid for this collection is available at
the Southern Historical Collection.
Contact staff at: (919)962-1345 (telephone); (919)962-4452 (FAX);
mss@email.unc.edu.
Smith, Claiborne T. Papers, 1936-1998.
350 items (1.5 linear feet).
Genealogical correspondence and data compiled by Claiborne T. Smith,
Jr., of Ardmore, Pa., relating to the Claiborne, Smith, Norfleet, Baker,
Evans, and allied families in Perquimans, Gates, Chowan, Bertie,
Northampton, Halifax, Edgecombe, and Pitt counties, N.C., and Brunswick,
Sussex, Surry, Southampton, Isle of Wight, and Nansemond counties, Va.
Also included are letters to Smith from his father, Claiborne T. Smith
(1893-1989), physician of Rocky Mount, N.C., including one about African
Americans in northeastern North Carolina in the early 20th century; from
landscape painter Francis Speight (1896-1989) of Greenville, N.C.; from
Speight's widow, Sarah Blakeslee Speight (1912- ), landscape and
portrait painter of Rocky Mount, N.C.; and historical material relating
to Scotland Neck, N.C.
Gifts, 1955-1998.
ONLINE CATALOG TERMS:
Afro-Americans--North Carolina--History--20th century.
Baker family--Genealogy.
Bertie County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Brunswick County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Chowan County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Claiborne family--Genealogy.
Edgecombe County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Evans family--Genealogy.
Gates County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Genealogists--North Carolina--Correspondence.
Halifax County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Isle of Wight County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Landscape painters--North Carolina.
Nansemond County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Norfleet family--Genealogy.
North Carolina--Genealogy.
Northampton County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Perquimans County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Pitt County (N.C.)--Genealogy.
Portrait painters--North Carolina.
Scotland Neck (N.C.)--History
Smith family--Genealogy.
Smith, Claiborne T., 1893-1989.
Smith, Claiborne T.
Southampton County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Speight, Francis, 1896- .
Speight, Sarah Blakeslee, 1912- .
Surry County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Sussex County (Va.)--Genealogy.
Virginia--Genealogy.
Women artists--North Carolina.
Women painters--North Carolina.
COPYRIGHT: Retained by the authors of items in these papers, or
their descendants, as stipulated by United States
copyright law.
03/05/2004 2:46:19
UNC Library at Chapel Hill
Does anyone have access to research at the library of the University of NC at
Chapel Hill?
In the Manuscripts Dept. at the library there is an index in the Southern
History Collection to the papers of Edmonia Cabell Wilkins #2364, folder #61,
with a reference to the families of Wilkins, Douglas, Jone, Flood, Wyche and
POYTHRESS.
And also a reference to Poythress in the papers of William Bonnell Hall.
This index can be found at http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/index.html
Thank you,
Barbara (BPW)
03/05/2004 5:55:43
Never doubt the smallest clue
koswcartist
My friend Vivian was searching for her ancestors in washington state. Unsuccessfully for years..in an old postcard photo was a note mentioning in which neighbor's garden a photo of her grandmother was made. She was able to find the unusual name of the neighbor in the 1930 census and it led her right to the grandmother! Another fact she knew from a letter that this neighbor had so many children. That number made it very easy to pinpoint the street they lived on. Patti
03/07/2004 2:37:44
Interesting
John M. Poythress
From this week's issue of Ancestry.com's newsletter:
While totally baffled by the seemingly simple technology, I have long
been a preacher on the subject of never mentioning a place in a
genealogical reference without giving its coordinates. With the
technology available, we should not leave to succeeding generations the
often impossible task of finding long gone sites. However, absent
actually owning a GPS machine and/or having a website to zero in on
these locations, the matter (for me at any rate) has not been as easy as
it sounds. Looking to the future, we should probably figure that GPS
will likely be standard on wrist watches at some point in the future.
When one looks at Als magic in keying off of a single Virginia
topographic feature (Bayleys Creek) and super-imposing early Poythress
land grants on top of a highway map..just think what future
genealogists will be able to do if provided with coordinates.
Proceeding on the assumption that hardly anyone would disagree with the
above premise, I first used TerraServer. Since I was revising the
inventory of McBride Methodist Church in Screven County, GA anyway, this
was the first site to baffle me. I was able to work my way to an aerial
photo at:
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/addressimage.aspx?t=1
6617506667&lat=32.7847100205&alon=-81.61339764&alat=32.784810142&w=1&ref
=A%7cRifle+Rd%2c+Sylvania%2c+GA+30467>
&s=10&lon=-81.5656617506667&lat=32.7847100205&alon=-81.61339764&alat=32.
784810142&w=1&ref=A%7cRifle+Rd%2c+Sylvania%2c+GA+30467 ..note here
that one can toggle back and forth between an aerial photo and a
topographical 7.5 minute Topo map from the U S Geological Services.
My problem here was that I was not able to compute a precise set of
coordinates even though Im looking right at the church and its
cemetery. The road in front of the church is GA 24, or Newington
Highway. The starting point for getting here had been to locate the
intersection of US 301 and GA 24 (just N of Sylvania) on the site and
then select via arrow my way west to the church which is only a matter
of a couple of miles. The topo for this piece of ground is known as
the Jacksonboro Bridge quadrangle..each topo has a name like that.
While no doubt each of you will have your own genealogy sites to
reference I figured this one would be fine for the drill since I was
interested in two of its locations anyway and one of our techies
(listening Lyn? Michael?) could zero me in on the dead certain
coordinates with a few helpful words of additional instruction.perhaps
for others on the wire also, a mini tutorial as it were. Thus,
simultaneously, those of us who havent fooled with coordinates before
could get an introduction to the procedure and two helpful websites for
the example.
On this same site (and figuring the topo was the best view for this
purpose) I tried to arrow my way to the cemetery Bud and I uncovered
back in aught-8 or whenever it was. One goes back east .8 mile on GA 24
until Rifle Road dead ends into GA 24 from the south. Turn left (south)
on Rifle Road for another .8 miles and turn right (west) on a road that
appears to not even be there but goes .3 miles and dead ends into the
cemetery. I chose the topo view because the topo itself is marked with
the symbol of a little cross on top of a little drawn house and of
course nothing shows on the aerial photo view. Since this site is not
now (nor presumably ever was) a church location and further it is where
the cemetery measures via odometer to be, then thats the site. This
seems to be further supported by an older topo which I have in hard copy
on which the identical spot is marked with an x and the word
cemetery written beside it. I figured all that evidence pretty much
made it a certainty. However, likewise I was unable to zero in on its
exact coordinates.it seems the picture (aerial) and the topo (a
drawn map) wont mesh with the view on the monitor to let one figure out
the exact coordinates (or at least it fooled me which is no great
shakes).
Stewing over this frustration a week or so, I have now landed on the
USGSs site which is a mile long list of actual places (churches,
rivers, courthouses, etc.) in the US and the exact coordinates are
furnished for each..although not to my mind with clarity. The site is:
http://geonames.usgs.gov/index.html one clicks on the gazetteer
button for GA (in this instance). Up comes (VERY slowly) what is
seemingly a list of every pigpen in the state). I put McBride Church
into the search page window..lo and behold, up it pops. In fact, two
of them popped up but only one in Screven County. The listing for this
church and its adjoining cemetery was (and this is a paste so its
identical):
Well, I can figure out (I think) that its lon. 32º 4705N x lat. 81º
3356W but that doesnt agree with the coordinates
in the first site. No wonder I flunked map reading in ROTC.
Step up please, one of you technologically inclined guys or gals.
Enlightenment requested.
Many thanks,
Maynard
03/16/2004 1:05:47
Re: GPS, GNIS, Et Al
Barbara P. Neal
I, too, look forward to learning more from someone who understands all
this better than I do! Thanks, Maynard
BPN
03/17/2004 6:49:49
Copyrights
John M. Poythress
The below is from Dick Eastman's freebie weekly genealogy newsletter.
Now that The Donald is trying to get trademark protection for "You're
Fired"..it appears someone will own "good morning" before too long.
MP
- Proposed Legislation Would Wreak Havoc for Genealogists
A new bill before the U.S. Congress proposes to overturn one of the most
fundamental concepts of the present copyright laws. If passed, facts
would become copyrighted for the first time in U.S. history.
The Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act
(HR3261) would make it a crime for anyone to copy and redistribute a
substantial portion of data collected by commercial database companies
and list publishers. At first, that sounds like a good idea. However, a
bit more thought shows that nobody would be able to republish stock
quotes, historical health data, sports scores, or voter lists. In fact,
a lot of genealogy information could not be republished.
If passed, Google and all the other search engines would be crippled,
probably driven out of business. These are online databases that collect
information, or facts, from other online sites so that the user can
quickly find the information they seek. If Google and the others are not
allowed to collect facts that are now copyrighted, how will they be able
to index the Web for you?
Art Brodsky, spokesman for public advocacy group Public Knowledge, says
the bill would let anyone drop a fact into a database or a collection of
materials and claim monopoly rights to it. This would contradict the
core principle of the Copyright Act, which states that mere information
and ideas cannot be protected works.
Let's say that a commercial genealogy service such as Ancestry.com or
OneGreatFamily.com publishes the fact that your great-great-grandparents
had a child named John. Once that "fact" has been published by any
commercial service, that original publisher would hold the copyright on
the fact, and no one else would be allowed to publish it again. The
Family History Library, the New England Historic Genealogical Society,
Genealogical Publishing Company, and others would be prohibited from
publishing that information again in any of their online or printed
works. In fact, private individuals would similarly be barred from
publishing the information in their own derivative works. If a
commercial site publishes a fact about your ancestors, you would not be
able to place that fact on your own Web site or in any book or report
that you give to others.
The language in this proposed legislation contradicts the core principle
of the present copyright acts, which state that mere information and
ideas cannot be protected works.
You can read more about this proposed legislation in Wired News at
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,62500,00.html
03/19/2004 5:07:46
H. R. 3261 (copyrighting "facts")
John M. Poythress
Below is my message to my representative. You might wish to send
something similar to your representative. Thanks, Maynard
Dear Representative Northup:
I sincerely trust that you will see the prima facie absurdity of H. R.
3261 and oppose it vigorously.
Thank you sincerely.
John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222-6132
03/19/2004 5:16:41
New Google Genealogy Search
John M. Poythress
From Dick Eastman's free weekly newsletter:
The new Web site proclaims:
This free site will help you use GoogleT to research your genealogy. It
will create different Google searches using tips or "tricks" that will
likely improve your search results. The different searches will give you
many different ways of using Google to find ancestry information on the
Internet. Just provide what you know about an ancestor and the site will
set up the best searches for you, based on what you enter.
The Genealogy Search Help site offers fill-in fields for the desired
ancestor's first and last name, father's name, mother's name and
spouse's name. Other fields include place of birth and place of death.
Obviously, you fill in only the information you have and leave the
remaining fields empty.
I decided to try the site and compare it side-by-side with a regular
search for the same names on Google. I first entered one of my "end of
line" ancestors' names, a person whose parents are unknown to me. I only
know his full name and place of death. The Genealogy Search Help site
found several references to this person, but unfortunately, all those
references were written by me, either in this newsletter or in online
queries. I must say that I was not too surprised.
I then picked a different ancestor, Samuel Harmon, born in 1709. This
time I did have full information about his parents, spouse, and
children. I simply used him as a test case. I entered his full name,
spouse's name, and his place of death, but did not enter his parent's
names. I wanted to see if the Genealogy Search Help site would find him.
Indeed, it did. Several references to this person were identified, and
most of them listed his parents' names.
I attempted to conduct essentially the same search manually on Google.
For those who are not familiar with Google's inner workings, this could
be a challenge. Simply searching for Samuel Harmon resulted in 365,000
hits! For example, I found a present-day photographer in Ohio and a
realtor in Virginia, both named Samuel Harmon. There were many others as
well.
I narrowed the search by typing "Samuel Harmon genealogy." This time I
"only" received 22,000 hits. I next went to Google's advanced search
page at http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en and experimented for
a while with other terms, such as his wife's name and the town where he
died. Indeed, I did eventually narrow the search to the point where
almost all the "hits" were related to my ancestor, Samuel Harmon.
So what does the Genealogy Search Help site offer that Google does not?
The answer is one word: convenience.
The Genealogy Search Help site does not find any data that you cannot
find by yourself on Google. However, it does help you quickly narrow
your focus in what would otherwise be an ocean of data. This service is
especially good for Google novices who have not yet learned to use
Google's more advanced features.
I will caution you that you still will want to conduct searches the
old-fashioned way, both on Google and elsewhere. The new Genealogy
Search Help site is a convenience, but not a definitive tool. If you do
not find your ancestor using the new search tool, try again and again
elsewhere.
Webmasters will note that there is a capability to build ancestor search
pages into your own Web site by cutting and pasting a few lines of HTML
code.
The Genealogy Search Help site is supported by advertising, and there
seem to plenty of ads to go around. You can experiment with this new
service at: http://www.genealogy-search-help.com/
03/22/2004 1:13:44
Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch- Mecklenburg, VA
Julie Cabitto
Someone sent me some new info from a family Bible.
Now we know Sarah G. Poythress was born 1/16/1814 and died 12/12/1854 in Mecklenburg, VA. Before this we only knew she was Sarah G. Poythress born about 1815 from the 1850 Census. So I'm wondering if this new info could help anyone identify which Poythress family she may be from. Here's the rest of the Bible she sent in case interested. I am a direct descendant of Theresa India Dortch and Alginon Gray through their daughter Fannie Elizabeth Gray.
William Dorch, b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859 m: 1st Sarah G. Poythress on Jan. 31, 1837.
Sarah G. Poythress was b. 1/6/1814, d. 12/12/1854.
Their children were:
A. Martha William Dortch, b. 1/15/1838 m: John S. Vaughan on 12/8/1863.
1. Matthew C. Vaughan, b. 5/31/1866.
2. Fannie W. Vaughan, b. 10/ 5/ 1869.
B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch, b. 10/30/ 1839, d. 1/9/1843
C. Oliver Jasper Dorch, b. 2/3/2843 m: A. D. Vallanding on 12/20/ 1871.[Two children].
D. Alvin Newton Dorch, b. 12/ 6/1844, d. 8/1915. m: Tenneysee Jordan Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee, b. 4/5/1866, d. 10/25/1919. Their children:
1. Theressa Inda Dorch, b. 5/29/1869, d.9/5/1896, m: Nonnie Gray and had 2 dau. Maude I., & Fannie Gray.
2. Charly William Dorch, b. 6/29/1871.
3. Mary Belle Dorch, b. 8/15/1873.
4. Weldon Hall Dorch, b. 1/2/1876.
5. Hester Ann. Dorch, b.4-6-1878, d. 1-4-1928.
6. Sallie Goodden Dorch, b. 3/11/1882.
7. Martha Newton Dorch, b. 7/27/1884.
8. Walter Gee Dorch, b. 1/29/1887, d. 2/5/1887.
9. Richard Oliver Dorch, b. 12/29/1888.
10. Jasper Newton, b.6/17/1889.
11. Mildred S. Dorch, b. 3/15/1891.
F. Thomas Newman Dorch, b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857.
William Dorch m: 2nd Elizabeth-----?--- in 1855, Elizabeth, b. 6/9/1859.
This is from Dorothy Williamson's notes taken from an old family Bible.
I had mentioned about a month ago I went to the Richmond archives. I found some great new info on my more recent Dortch families. The only thing I found that might be relevant to this list is some info on some early Speeds in Mecklenburg. Let me know if interested. Newman Dortch the father of William Archer Dortch married Sarah Speed. Speeds also married into Poythress family.
Note in the record above it mentions william secondly married an Elizabeth____. It was Elizabeth Mise, and I do have the marriage info on that. I think Henrietta's middle name may actually be Speed, but will check on that.
Thanks,
Julie
03/22/2004 9:58:04
Re: Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch- Mecklenburg, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Julie, thanks so much for all the great info you posted from Dorothy
Williamson's notes taken from an old family Bible. If you were/are able
to learn who the original owner of the Bible was, I'd really appreciate
knowing, so we can cite it more clearly?
Thanks again,
BPN
03/23/2004 1:18:00
Re: Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch- Mecklenburg, VA
Judy A Scruggs
Julie,
I would be interested to see if the info on the Dortch/Speed is anything
that I need.
Thanks,
Judy Speed Scruggs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:58 AM
Subject: Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch- Mecklenburg, VA
> Someone sent me some new info from a family Bible.
> Now we know Sarah G. Poythress was born 1/16/1814 and died 12/12/1854 in
Mecklenburg, VA. Before this we only knew she was Sarah G. Poythress born
about 1815 from the 1850 Census. So I'm wondering if this new info could
help anyone identify which Poythress family she may be from. Here's the rest
of the Bible she sent in case interested. I am a direct descendant of
Theresa India Dortch and Alginon Gray through their daughter Fannie
Elizabeth Gray.
>
> William Dorch, b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859 m: 1st Sarah G. Poythress on
Jan. 31, 1837.
>
> Sarah G. Poythress was b. 1/6/1814, d. 12/12/1854.
>
> Their children were:
>
> A. Martha William Dortch, b. 1/15/1838 m: John S. Vaughan on
12/8/1863.
>
> 1. Matthew C. Vaughan, b. 5/31/1866.
>
> 2. Fannie W. Vaughan, b. 10/ 5/ 1869.
>
> B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch, b. 10/30/ 1839, d. 1/9/1843
>
> C. Oliver Jasper Dorch, b. 2/3/2843 m: A. D. Vallanding on 12/20/
1871.[Two children].
>
> D. Alvin Newton Dorch, b. 12/ 6/1844, d. 8/1915. m: Tenneysee Jordan
Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee, b. 4/5/1866, d. 10/25/1919. Their children:
>
> 1. Theressa Inda Dorch, b. 5/29/1869, d.9/5/1896, m: Nonnie
Gray and had 2 dau. Maude I., & Fannie Gray.
>
> 2. Charly William Dorch, b. 6/29/1871.
>
> 3. Mary Belle Dorch, b. 8/15/1873.
>
> 4. Weldon Hall Dorch, b. 1/2/1876.
>
> 5. Hester Ann. Dorch, b.4-6-1878, d. 1-4-1928.
>
> 6. Sallie Goodden Dorch, b. 3/11/1882.
>
> 7. Martha Newton Dorch, b. 7/27/1884.
>
> 8. Walter Gee Dorch, b. 1/29/1887, d. 2/5/1887.
>
> 9. Richard Oliver Dorch, b. 12/29/1888.
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> 10. Jasper Newton, b.6/17/1889.
>
> 11. Mildred S. Dorch, b. 3/15/1891.
>
> F. Thomas Newman Dorch, b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857.
>
> William Dorch m: 2nd Elizabeth-----?--- in 1855, Elizabeth,
b. 6/9/1859.
>
> This is from Dorothy Williamson's notes taken from an old family Bible.
>
>
>
> I had mentioned about a month ago I went to the Richmond archives. I found
some great new info on my more recent Dortch families. The only thing I
found that might be relevant to this list is some info on some early Speeds
in Mecklenburg. Let me know if interested. Newman Dortch the father of
William Archer Dortch married Sarah Speed. Speeds also married into
Poythress family.
>
>
>
> Note in the record above it mentions william secondly married an
Elizabeth____. It was Elizabeth Mise, and I do have the marriage info on
that. I think Henrietta's middle name may actually be Speed, but will check
on that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
>
>
>
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> Visit www.poythress.net
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03/23/2004 1:20:56
Re: Sarah G.Poythress and William Archer Dortch
Barbara P. Neal
Julie, I forgot to mention just now that I, too, would be very
interested in learning further about the early Speeds in Mecklenburg,
that you mentioned: "The only thing I found that might be relevant to
this list is some info on some early Speeds in Mecklenburg. Let me know
if interested. Newman Dortch the father of William Archer Dortch married
Sarah Speed. Speeds also married into Poythress family."
BPN
03/23/2004 1:23:46
Re: Sarah G.Poythress and William Archer Dortch
Julie,
That was exciting news to hear about your successful trip to the Richmond
archives and the information in the family Bible from Dorothy Williamson.
The research on Sarah G. Poythress makes her a very strong candidate to be
the daughter of Lewis Poythress and therefore sister to David. Here are some
links to the Dortch and Poythress families:
1. From the Mecklenburg Marriage Bonds 1765-1810:
Mary Speed married David Poythress 17 Dec.1827
William Archer Dortch married Sarah G. Poythress Jan. 31, 1837
Probability: Brother and sister marrying brother and sister.
2. Witness to the 1802 marriage of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca B. Taylor was
John Dortch.
3. Mary Speed and Lewis Dortch were married 9 Jan. 1796 and Elizabeth Giles
and Lewis Poythress were married 27 Dec. 1792, both by John Loyd, minister.
4. Charles Poythress, son of David is on the 1870 census in VA enumerated
with Oliver Dortch, son of Sarah G. Poythress Dortch.
5.The census for 1820 and 1830 in Mecklenburg, Va in the Lewis Poythress
household show two girls , one being born circa 1815-1820, and then not enumerated
in the 1840 census. This would be the right age for Sarah.
And yes, very interested in hearing from you about the Speed-Poythress
connection.
Many thanks for sharing!
Barbara (BPW)
03/23/2004 4:18:06
Speed family newspaper info and other Richmond resources
Julie Cabitto
If you din't have it, here's the address for Library of VA, that I refer to several times in this email. Hope this may be of help and or interest to someone besides myself. Hope this will at least give you an idea of possibilities for finding your Ancestors in Richmond. On the websight there's a section you can view military records. You can actually see scanned images online and download it. I pulled several Kidd and Dortch records. -Photocopies of actual Civil War pension records. There was also interviews with people who served in WWI, even discusing things like number of times they were gassed, their current occupation, family names and info. It totally amazed me I could type in a name, see the record, and print it. It's like you get off a microfilm., But you don't have to scroll through the microfilm then transfer it to a microfilm printer. And you don't have to read through illegible indexes! Can't remember exactly how to get to it, so I'm going through it as I type th!
is. There is a site index part on the web sight. On the opening page I clicked on "What we have" . On the next screen I clicked on "Books journals and catalogs". On the top right of that screen, you can click on the word "More" in the orange part. Then there's a whole page of things you can click. I just clicked everything and then typed in the search box surnames like Kidd, Dortch, Speed, and found all that I have below. There are pictures and military records online, at the top of the list under "digitized military resources". It took me awhile to figure out how to get around the websight, but once I did, I saw the goldmine that it is. Hope the below info I typed may be of interest to my fellow Poythress researchers...
Love, Julie
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/
Since there were several that said they were interested in Speed info. I found all this on the index on the Library of Virginia websight (unless otherwise noted). Then I went to Richmond to get it. I'll post what I got and then didn't get. I'm only an hour away from Richmond, and plan to go back soon to get the rest. Bernard J. Henly compiled old newspapers and these marriage and obituary info articles are all from his collection.
note: Mecklenburg Courthouse is in Boydton. The italics, and paragraphing is as it is in the paper. Parts are very faded. I believe this John H. Speed to be the John H. Speed III born about 1768, that I had a death date of 26 Aug 1818. He was married to Mary Wade 12 Jul 1799. Mary was born 22 Aug 1781. I had 12 children for them.
This John H. Speed is Sarah Speed's brother, the Sarah Speed who married Newman Dortch. John Speed and Sarah Baird had 5 children that I know of. William (born 1764), John H. (see obituary below), Sarah (married Newman Dortch and Sherrod Burgh. Or could it be Sherwood Bugg? No one could find a Sherrod Burgh), Elizabeth (born abt 1770 married Roger Gregory), Dr. Joseph Speed (married Mary Goodloe Harper), died in Caroline County NY. (See marriage listing below)
Richmond Enquirer (name of the paper), Richmond, VA 1815 Semi weekly. pg. 3, C-5.
" Died at Mecklenburg Courthouse, on the 26th of Aug, John H. Speed, Esq. in the 30th year of his age.
The friend who offers this small tribute to his memory is aware that obituary notices often savor more of flattery than truth, at that panegyric (??) on the dead is frequently too highly colored by the sympathy of the heart that dictates it. But in the present instance there are too many witnesses whose testimony will refute a charge of exaggeration, and too many kindred hearts whose spontaneous ___(?), give evidence of the goodness and integrity of his. There are many of his friends whose intimacy and esteem commenced in the days of their childhood and progressed through all the stages of life, undiminished by time or separation for as long as he was the avowed enemy of vice, in whatever shape it was found- so were his attachment formed only when he met with the most esteemable qualities of the human character.-- His genius was of that splendid order which knew very little rival ship; and there is no doubt but in a few years he would've ranked with the most admired of V!
irginia orators.-- Nothing can more strongly evince (?) the purity of a man's life than the grief that is occasioned by his death.
There is one station which he filled that cannot be intimately known but to few.- the qualities of a husband and a father develop their true character _?_ in the bosom of his own family- they are known by the bursting hearts of the widow and orphans- and the unutterable anguish of his relations who all confidently hope that his immaculate soul is now resting on the bosom of his God."
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Richmond Whig and Public Advertiser (Richmond, VA 1833: Semi weekly) from the collection of Bernard J. Henley. Pg. 1, C-7. Tuesday Dec 4, 1838
Note these are marriages from Mecklenburg Co.
"In the same County on the 21st of November, by the same, (Rec. Wadsworth), Mr. Henry G. Speed of Caroline County, New York, to Miss Maria Speed, daughter of John Speed, Sr."
In case it was relevant to any one else on the list. The other marriages were:
On the 20th wit. by Bishop Moore, George Wythe Monford, Esq. to Miss Elizabeth T. Ellis, oldest daughter of Charles Ellis Esq. all of this city. (Richmond?)
In Mecklenburg County at the residence of Mr. F. Boyd on the second of November by the Reverend E. Wadsworth, Mr. Francis A. Thornton of Warren County, North Carolina to Mrs., Lucy N. Porris, of Mecklenburg, VA.
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There's two websights I found for this Speed family. I've been trying to find more about the Mecklenburg Speed families because Sarah Speed daughter of John Speed and Sarah Baird married Newman Dortch.
One is from Ancestry.com. Not sure about what I can post as far as copyright rules?
Ancestry.com Colonial Families in the US. [ database online] 1999. Original data: Mackenzie, George Norbury, ED. Colonial Families of the United States of America. New York, 1907.
I found it searching "John Speed". It takes this speed family back to 1552 in England.
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Speed Family Websight http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~speedo/john/d1.htm
This web sight gives burial info on Dr. Joseph Speed's family, brother of the Sally Speed that married Newman Dortch. And son of John Speed and Sarah Baird.
Speed's Farm Graveyard, located on the Speed family Homestead, Caroline, NY. Transcribed records on the Internet.
Here's the newspapers and other info I didn't get yet, but pulled of the Library of VA websight:
military records: John Speed, Mecklenburg VA.Court booklet pg. 8, certificate 2, lists pg. 8, 19. Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
Henry Speed court booklets pg. 1, 4, 10. Certificates 1, lists: pg. 11, 23. . Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
John H. Speed married Susan M. Mosby
place of residence at time of Marriage: Mecklenburg, VA.
place of residence at time of marriage: Powhatan Co., VA, daughter of Wade.marriage index for the Visitor (1809-1810), The Enquirer (1804-1815) and the Richmond Enquirer (1815-1860)
Note: newspaper title: Enquirer (Richmond, VA)publication date: April 12, 1811, pg. 3, C-4
Petersburg Republican (Petersburg, VA) (near Richmond VA). Died on Apr 11, at Buffalo Springs, Mecklenburg Co., Mr. Joseph F. Speed, leaving a wife and 5 children. Friday May 2, 1819. Pg. 3, C. 4.
Sarah Speed court booklet pg. 22, certificates 1, lists 8, 20. Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
Virginia Patriot (Richmond, VA). Married on Thursday the 31st ultimo, Mr. John James Speed of Gennessee, New York, to Miss Polly Nicolson of Mecklenburg, VA (pg. 3, C2) publication date Tues. March 12, 1811.
James Speed court booklet pg 17, certificates 1, lists 14. Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
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I also found the following on Library of Virginia's websight. (Richmond State archives. I didn't see Poythress, but maybe I need to try some other spellings. In case it helps someone, here were some files that were of interest to me:
According to Black's Law Dictionary, a Chancery Cause is a case of equity where "Justice is administered according to fairness as contrasted with the strictly formulated rules of common law." A judge, not a jury, determines the outcome of the case. These types of records are useful when researching genealogical information and land or estate divisions and may contain correspondence, lists of heirs, or vital statistics, among other items. Some of the more common types of chancery causes are:
a.. Division of the estate of a person who died intestate (without a will)
b.. Divorces: Prior to 1842, divorces required an act of the General Assembly, but the county could grant legal separations. After 1842, County and Circuit Courts had the power to grant divorces.
c.. Settlements of dissolved business partnerships
d.. Resolution of land disputes
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed RICHARD F GLOVER T L CLARY & WIFE ETC 1890-013 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed RICHARD F GLOVER T L CLARY & WIFE ETC 1890-013 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed GLOVER JAMES P TURNER 1901-001 CC
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOSEPH SPEED ADMR OF JOHN TABB 1794-004
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOHN JAMES SPEED & WIFE CHARITY SWEPSON 1801-004
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed GDN(S) OF SPEED ADMR OF JOSEPH SPEED 1807-020
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed EXR OF JOHN SPEED JAMES BAIRD ETC 1809-004
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed EDWIN H SPEED ADMR OF JOSEPH SPEED ETC 1809-012
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ROBERT SPEED ADMR OF JOSEPH SPEED ETC 1809-012
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOHN SPEED EDMUND R MOSS 1828-055
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed S P SPEED ADMR OF WILSON ETC 1832-016 CSC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOHN SPEED ROBERT NELSON & WIFE 1835-018 CSC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed EDWARD SPEED JOHN J SPEED &C BY ETC 1853-022
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOHN J SPEED THOMAS SPEED BY ETC 1855-002
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOHN SPEED ETC EXRS OF JEFFRESS 1869-029 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed J J SPEED EXRS OF JEFFRESS ETC 1870-041 CC
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed WILLIAM DORTCH WILLIAM STONE 1794-008
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JESSE DORTCH EXR OF DAVID DORTCH 1802-007
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed NOAH DORTCH JOHN CROW ETC 1805-014
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed NOAH DORTCH SAMUEL HOLMES ETC 1810-016
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed NEWMAN DORTCH ETC ABEL DORTCH 1810-027
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed NEWMAN DORTCH ETC NOAH DORTCH ETC 1810-027
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ELIZABETH DORTCH EXR OF NOAH DORTCH &C BY ETC 1825-018
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed DORTCH HILLYER ETC 1843-004 CSC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ALEXANDER DORTCH GDN ETC ADMR OF NOAH DORTCH JR 1852-084
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed PETITION OF DORTCH ETC 1855-004 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed DORTCH ETC ISAAC H JONES ETC 1858-007 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed DORTCH ETC ADMR OF DORTCH ETC 1858-007 CC
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ISAAC DORTCH MARY DORTCH 1896-008 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ISAAC DORTCH SAM GARNES 1907-037 CC
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed ELIZA M KIDD EXR OF JOHN B KIDD &C BY ETC 1863-017
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MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed EDWARD R KIDD ETC ELIZABETH M KIDD WIDOW ETC 1873-028
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed E M KIDD CHARLES KIDD ETC 1881-031 CC
MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed E M KIDD MARY DUGGER 1881-033 CC
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03/24/2004 2:33:47
Speed book question and Mecklenburg Cemetery info
Julie Cabitto
I forgot to add this to my email on the Newspaper posting info. I saw someone once quote a Speed book. Can anyone tell me more about it so I can get a copy? I'm still trying to prove on paper (besides our family letter) that Newman Dortch and Sally Speed were the parents of William Archer Dortch who married Sarah G. Poythress.
Thanks, Julie
In Munsey Adams cemetery book Vol. I there's a listing I recognized.
John Davis Speed 11 Sep 1854 to 12 Aug 1855- age 11 month
John Joseph 17 oct 1803-1870
Cynthia Ann Tunstall Speed 26 oct 1822-18 oct 1872 w/o J. J. Speed
Ann Strachan d/o John W. Jones w/o John Joseph Speed- died 21 oct 1851 in the 44th year of her age.
Sallie Lewis Sullivan Tunstall w/ Thomas George Tunstall Mar 1804- 28 Aug 1878.
These people are in "Shiloh Cemetery. Located just outside of VA in Granville Co., NC. Go to Bullock from Clarksville on Hwy. 15 south. Turn right at Bullock on Hwy. 1445- take right at crossroads. Cemetery is on the left and marked by a sign."
Munsey Adams Cem. book, vol. 1, pg. 153-154. Note: this John Joseph Speed is son of John H. Speed and Mary Wade. (I gave the obit for John H. Wade in the previous email).
03/24/2004 2:48:44
Georgia Research
John M. Poythress
For those of you interested in GA research, there is a nifty little
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update of all the uploads to the GA GENWEB for the ENTIRE state,
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Best part of all, the Burke County list probably gets as little traffic
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Subscription can be had by sending message to >
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line.
Maynard
03/24/2004 3:48:53
Re: Speed family newspaper info and other Richmond resources
Judy A Scruggs
Julie,
I have answered some of the quotes on this page from info in my book.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: Speed family newspaper info and other Richmond resources
> If you din't have it, here's the address for Library of VA, that I refer
to several times in this email. Hope this may be of help and or interest to
someone besides myself. Hope this will at least give you an idea of
possibilities for finding your Ancestors in Richmond. On the websight
there's a section you can view military records. You can actually see
scanned images online and download it. I pulled several Kidd and Dortch
records. -Photocopies of actual Civil War pension records. There was also
interviews with people who served in WWI, even discusing things like number
of times they were gassed, their current occupation, family names and info.
It totally amazed me I could type in a name, see the record, and print it.
It's like you get off a microfilm., But you don't have to scroll through the
microfilm then transfer it to a microfilm printer. And you don't have to
read through illegible indexes! Can't remember exactly how to get to it, so
I'm going through it as I type th!
> is. There is a site index part on the web sight. On the opening page I
clicked on "What we have" . On the next screen I clicked on "Books journals
and catalogs". On the top right of that screen, you can click on the word
"More" in the orange part. Then there's a whole page of things you can
click. I just clicked everything and then typed in the search box surnames
like Kidd, Dortch, Speed, and found all that I have below. There are
pictures and military records online, at the top of the list under
"digitized military resources". It took me awhile to figure out how to get
around the websight, but once I did, I saw the goldmine that it is. Hope the
below info I typed may be of interest to my fellow Poythress researchers...
> Love, Julie
>
> http://www.lva.lib.va.us/
>
> Since there were several that said they were interested in Speed info. I
found all this on the index on the Library of Virginia websight (unless
otherwise noted). Then I went to Richmond to get it. I'll post what I got
and then didn't get. I'm only an hour away from Richmond, and plan to go
back soon to get the rest. Bernard J. Henly compiled old newspapers and
these marriage and obituary info articles are all from his collection.
>
> note: Mecklenburg Courthouse is in Boydton. The italics, and paragraphing
is as it is in the paper. Parts are very faded. I believe this John H. Speed
to be the John H. Speed III born about 1768, that I had a death date of 26
Aug 1818. He was married to Mary Wade 12 Jul 1799. Mary was born 22 Aug
1781. I had 12 children for them.
Actually they had 13. Maria & Eliza were twins born March 10,1810.
>
> This John H. Speed is Sarah Speed's brother, the Sarah Speed who married
Newman Dortch. John Speed and Sarah Baird had 5 children that I know of.
William (born 1764), John H. (see obituary below), Sarah (married Newman
Dortch and Sherrod Burgh. Or could it be Sherwood Bugg? No one could find a
Sherrod Burgh), Elizabeth (born abt 1770 married Roger Gregory), Dr. Joseph
Speed (married Mary Goodloe Harper), died in Caroline County NY. (See
marriage listing below)
William died without children
John was born 1766
Sarah married Sherrod Burgh, no mention of a Dortch.
Elizabeth Married Roger Gregory, then married Daniel Middaugh.
Joseph was Dr. Joseph of Carolina, Thompkins County, NY.
>
> Richmond Enquirer (name of the paper), Richmond, VA 1815 Semi weekly. pg.
3, C-5.
> " Died at Mecklenburg Courthouse, on the 26th of Aug, John H. Speed, Esq.
in the 30th year of his age.
> The friend who offers this small tribute to his memory is aware that
obituary notices often savor more of flattery than truth, at that panegyric
(??) on the dead is frequently too highly colored by the sympathy of the
heart that dictates it. But in the present instance there are too many
witnesses whose testimony will refute a charge of exaggeration, and too many
kindred hearts whose spontaneous ___(?), give evidence of the goodness and
integrity of his. There are many of his friends whose intimacy and esteem
commenced in the days of their childhood and progressed through all the
stages of life, undiminished by time or separation for as long as he was the
avowed enemy of vice, in whatever shape it was found- so were his attachment
formed only when he met with the most esteemable qualities of the human
character.-- His genius was of that splendid order which knew very little
rival ship; and there is no doubt but in a few years he would've ranked with
the most admired of V!
> irginia orators.-- Nothing can more strongly evince (?) the purity of a
man's life than the grief that is occasioned by his death.
> There is one station which he filled that cannot be intimately known
but to few.- the qualities of a husband and a father develop their true
character _?_ in the bosom of his own family- they are known by the bursting
hearts of the widow and orphans- and the unutterable anguish of his
relations who all confidently hope that his immaculate soul is now resting
on the bosom of his God."
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> Richmond Whig and Public Advertiser (Richmond, VA 1833: Semi weekly) from
the collection of Bernard J. Henley. Pg. 1, C-7. Tuesday Dec 4, 1838
> Note these are marriages from Mecklenburg Co.
>
> "In the same County on the 21st of November, by the same, (Rec.
Wadsworth), Mr. Henry G. Speed of Caroline County, New York, to Miss Maria
Speed, daughter of John Speed, Sr."
>
> In case it was relevant to any one else on the list. The other marriages
were:
> On the 20th wit. by Bishop Moore, George Wythe Monford, Esq. to Miss
Elizabeth T. Ellis, oldest daughter of Charles Ellis Esq. all of this city.
(Richmond?)
>
> In Mecklenburg County at the residence of Mr. F. Boyd on the second of
November by the Reverend E. Wadsworth, Mr. Francis A. Thornton of Warren
County, North Carolina to Mrs., Lucy N. Porris, of Mecklenburg, VA.
> __________________________________________
>
> There's two websights I found for this Speed family. I've been trying to
find more about the Mecklenburg Speed families because Sarah Speed daughter
of John Speed and Sarah Baird married Newman Dortch.
>
> One is from Ancestry.com. Not sure about what I can post as far as
copyright rules?
> Ancestry.com Colonial Families in the US. [ database online] 1999.
Original data: Mackenzie, George Norbury, ED. Colonial Families of the
United States of America. New York, 1907.
> I found it searching "John Speed". It takes this speed family back to 1552
in England.
> __________________________
> Speed Family Websight
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~speedo/john/d1.htm
>
> ___________________________________________________
>
> This web sight gives burial info on Dr. Joseph Speed's family, brother of
the Sally Speed that married Newman Dortch. And son of John Speed and Sarah
Baird.
>
> Speed's Farm Graveyard, located on the Speed family Homestead, Caroline,
NY. Transcribed records on the Internet.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki/cemeteries/speedfarmcem.htm
>
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Here's the newspapers and other info I didn't get yet, but pulled of the
Library of VA websight:
>
> military records: John Speed, Mecklenburg VA.Court booklet pg. 8,
certificate 2, lists pg. 8, 19. Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution,
1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
>
> Henry Speed court booklets pg. 1, 4, 10. Certificates 1, lists: pg. 11,
23. . Public Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and
supplies or claims.
>
> John H. Speed married Susan M. Mosby
> place of residence at time of Marriage: Mecklenburg, VA.
> place of residence at time of marriage: Powhatan Co., VA, daughter of
Wade.marriage index for the Visitor (1809-1810), The Enquirer (1804-1815)
and the Richmond Enquirer (1815-1860)
> Note: newspaper title: Enquirer (Richmond, VA)publication date: April 12,
1811, pg. 3, C-4
>
> Petersburg Republican (Petersburg, VA) (near Richmond VA). Died on Apr 11,
at Buffalo Springs, Mecklenburg Co., Mr. Joseph F. Speed, leaving a wife and
5 children. Friday May 2, 1819. Pg. 3, C. 4.
>
> Sarah Speed court booklet pg. 22, certificates 1, lists 8, 20. Public
Service claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or
claims.
>
> Virginia Patriot (Richmond, VA). Married on Thursday the 31st ultimo, Mr.
John James Speed of Gennessee, New York, to Miss Polly Nicolson of
Mecklenburg, VA (pg. 3, C2) publication date Tues. March 12, 1811.
>
> James Speed court booklet pg 17, certificates 1, lists 14. Public Service
claims microfilm, Revolution, 1775-1783 Equipment and supplies or claims.
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> I also found the following on Library of Virginia's websight. (Richmond
State archives. I didn't see Poythress, but maybe I need to try some other
spellings. In case it helps someone, here were some files that were of
interest to me:
>
> According to Black's Law Dictionary, a Chancery Cause is a case of equity
where "Justice is administered according to fairness as contrasted with the
strictly formulated rules of common law." A judge, not a jury, determines
the outcome of the case. These types of records are useful when researching
genealogical information and land or estate divisions and may contain
correspondence, lists of heirs, or vital statistics, among other items. Some
of the more common types of chancery causes are:
>
> a.. Division of the estate of a person who died intestate (without a
will)
> b.. Divorces: Prior to 1842, divorces required an act of the General
Assembly, but the county could grant legal separations. After 1842, County
and Circuit Courts had the power to grant divorces.
> c.. Settlements of dissolved business partnerships
> d.. Resolution of land disputes
>
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> MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed JOSEPH SPEED ADMR OF JOHN TABB
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> MECKLENBURG CO Not Filmed Not Filmed EDWIN H SPEED ADMR OF JOSEPH SPEED
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03/24/2004 8:55:05
William J. Poythress
John M. Poythress
Cleaning files. Have found Georgia vital records material (death cert.,
obit copy) for William J. Poythress of Savannah (1864-1921) m. Virginia
Poythress. He was son of William E. Poythress and Martha J. Usher.
Included with the pages was photocopy of 1943 marriage license for
Warren L. Poythress and Wynona E. Scarborough, also of Savannah.
I can't remember where this came from and perhaps one of you even sent
it to me.
Anyway, if anyone would like it just drop me a name and snail mail adds.
and it will be on its way.
Maynard
03/26/2004 9:48:27
Re: William J. Poythress
In a message dated 3/26/2004 4:49:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Cleaning files.
Have found Georgia vital records material (death cert.,obit copy) for William
J. Poythress of Savannah (1864-1921) m. Virginia Poythress. He was son of
William E. Poythress and Martha J. Usher.
Included with the pages was photocopy of 1943 marriage license for Warren L.
Poythress and Wynona E. Scarborough, also of Savannah.
I can't remember where this came from and perhaps one of you even sent it to
me.
Anyway, if anyone would like it just drop me a name and snail mail adds. and
it will be on its way.
Maynard
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03/26/2004 12:53:34
Clarifying Dortch Bible typos- William A. Dortch married to Sarah Poythress
Julie Cabitto
I've had several inquiries into typos on the Bible entry that was emailed to me. I do have much more on all these people but figured it was a little too far off on a tangent for most of you Poythress researchers. Note it was Oliver Jasper Dortch who was living with Charles Poythress on the 1870 Census.
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The Bible was emailed to me from "Curly", Vera Moore, grand daughter of Hester Anne Dortch. I emailed and wrote (mailed) a letter to ask if it still exists, where she got it etc. I am awaiting a reply.
I noticed a few typos.
I think it's much more likely Henrietta's middle name is Speed, not Spaud. I asked her about that too.
Thomas Newman Dortch cannot be the son of Elizabeth and William. Because Tom was on the 1850 Census with Sarah and William. The only record we have of Elizabeth Mise is the marriage record. (probably because she died before the 1860 Census.) Thomas was born a few years before Elizabeth and William Dortch married.
Here is the dates I have on this family. I believe this to be the most accurate listing of my family. We have spent 50 years looking for descendants to confirm info. (starting with my grandma) I have letters from descendants of all 10 of Alvy and Tennessee's children that grew to adulthood. We have many records to back up these dates. And we have letters from Sally, Jasper, and Richard Oliver Dortch (while they were living) listing the names and birthdates and spellings of names of all their siblings. All their letters match on dates and names.
Note: All places Mecklenburg Co., VA unless otherwise noted.
Children of William Archer Dortch and Sarah G. Poythress:
A. Martha W. Dortch born 15 Jan 1838. She married John S. Vaughan 8 Dec
1863. They had two children:
1. Matthew C. Vaughan born 31 May 1866
2. Fannie Vaughan born 5 Oct 1869
B. Henrietta Dortch born 30 Oct 1839, died 9 Jan 1843 (did not know about
her before the Bible. She is accounted for on the 1840 Census.)
C. Oliver Jasper Dortch 3 Feb 1843, died 23 May 1929 in Nutbush, Warren,
NC. He married Jennie Vanlandingham about 1893 in Warren Co., NC
D. Alvin Newton Dortch born 6 Dec 1844, died 24 Aug 1915 in Kankakee, IL.
Tennessee Jordan Glover born 26 Jul 1847, died 25 Oct 1919 buried: Mays
Chapel. Alvy and Tennessee married 5 Apr 1866
1. Theresa India Dortch born 29 May 1869, died 5 Sep 1896
married Alginon Noel Gray 21 Dec 1887. Had two children,
Fannie (my great ...grandma) and Maude Gray, both raised by Alvy and
Tennessee Dortch when Theresa died.
2. Charles William Dortch born 23 Jun 1871, died 10 Nov 1939
buried Perkinson Dortch, Smelley Evan Cemetery of Country Club Rd. in
LaCrosse with wife and 2 children.
married Rosa Lee Perkinson 1899.
3. Mary Belle Dortch born 16 Aug 1873, died unknown.
Married Clement Thomas Bryant 23 Dec 1891, divorced 1917.
4. Weldon Hall Dortch born 2 Jan 1876, died Edgewood, KY.
married Sarah Frances Pool 20 Feb 1910 in Kankakee, IL
5. Hester Ann Dortch born 16 Apr 1878, died 4 Jan 1928 in Dinwiddie Co.,
VA. Buried on family farm in Dinwidie. Married William J. Cliborne 26 May
1895.
6. Walter Gee Dortch born 21 Jan 1880, died 4 Feb 1880.
7. Sally Gooden Dortch born 11 Mar 1882, died 17 Aug 1968 in Weldon, NC.
Married Vernon Coswell Vick 7 Jan 1900 in Weldon, NC.
8.Martha Newton Dortch born 27 Jul 1884, died 19 Feb 1959 Winston Salem,
NC. Martha married Alginon Noel Gray 5 May 1904 in Jackson, NC. They
divorced in 1911. Martha then married Arthur "Artie" Sherman Oakley 20
Jan 1913 in Kankakee, IL.
9. Richard Oliver Dortch was born 4 Dec 1886, died 30 Jan 1948 in
Kankakee, IL. He married Laura Catherine George 5 Feb 1913 in
Kankakee, IL.
10. Jasper Newton Dortch was born 17 Jun 1889, and died 14 May 1974 in
Kankakee, IL. He married Lucy D. Nussbaum 5 Mar 1913 in Kankakee,
IL.
11. Millard Seal Dortch was born 13 May 1892, and died 12 Nov 1941 in
Newark New Jersey. He married Minnie Belle Sirles about 1916. (most
likeley married in Chesterfield Co., VA)
E. Thomas Newman Dortch born 7 Jul 1847, died 8 Oct 1857 (did not know
death date before Bible)
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William Dortch's marriage info, emailed from my cousin. I have seen this on Ancestry.com myself. Have not gotten the actual record yet.:
According to North Carolina Marriage Bonds 1741-1868 database on Ancestry.com, there were 2 marriages for William A. Dortch:
Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Sarah G. Poythress. Bond Date 31 January 1837, Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman John L. Smith, Witness Burl Pitchford, Bond # 000160472
Groom: William A. Dortch, Bride Elizabeth A. Mise. Bond Date 9 May 1854, Warren County, North Carolina; Record No. 01 060, Bondsman George W. King, Witness R.B. Robinson, Bond # 000160471. Performed by Richard B. Robinson, Justice of the Peace.
Note that they both have the same record number (does this indicate it's the same groom for both marriages, rather than two different people who happen to have the same name?) and that the bond numbers are consecutive, despite the passage of 17 years between marriages (does this also suggest that the groom was the same exact person for both marriages?). Hope this helps.____________________________________________
Other notes about the Bible:
I asked why they didn't spell Dortch with a "t". On every record we have and every tombstone I've seen, and they way other living Dortch's from this family spell it, it's all with a "T". I asked about that too, and await the reply.
My cousin Annie has been doing research on Oliver Jasper's family and will send me info soon. She said Oliver had many children, I think 12 ? with Jennie Vanlandingham.
A family letter says William Archer Dortch is son of Newman Dortch and Sally Speed.
We are wondering if there may be a typo on Sarah Poythress' death date. If the Bible listing (email version) is correct, then William married Elizabeth Mise or Mize about 7 months before Sarah Poythress died. I looked on an index on Library of VA's websight and did not see any listing in Chancery cases for a divorce, but I will double check at the actual library. It said Elizabeth was born 6/19/1859. But that's impossible. She would've married 4+ years before she was born. I think 6/19/1859 is her death date. We have not been able to find William, Sarah, Elizabeth or Tom after the 1850 Census. And this Bible shows they all died before 1860.
Hope that clears things up some.
Love, Julie
03/27/2004 3:39:58
RE: GA Poythresses
John M. Poythress
Hi Debbie...this is Maynard.
Your transcript below is from the book "History of Screven County,
Georgia." It was published back in the early 70's and the "model" for
the book was widespread. Curtis Publishing Co. of Dallas, TX would get
a local historian to write the history of a particular county for the
front half of the book and solicit family members in the county to write
individual family histories for the back half. I get the impression
this was a fairly profitable proposition. Who would NOT want to buy a
book with their family history in it? And the price was right, $20, or
at least that was the amount of my mother's cancelled check which is a
bookmark in my copy of "HSCGA" as it is colloquially known.
HSCGA occasionally shows up on E-Bay and typically goes for about 40 or
50 bucks, the low price being perhaps a guage to its reliability. A
while back there was some talk about a reprint and you may direct a
query on that to the Screven Rootsweb site. I would have done it for
you but I'm assuming when you hear the verdict on the Poythress parts
you won't particularly want to plunk down $50 for a copy.
The Dorothy B. Poythress in question is my mother who died in 1994 in
her late 80's. She was the only one in the family in GA who either gave
a hoot about genealogy or even tried to assemble any information. She
started this enterprise rather late in life and it was something of a
"bootstrap" operation for her. Her heart was in the right place but
unfortunately her conclusions were uniformly bad. The concept of
"proving" connections (even circumstantially) probably never even
crossed her mind. Her own son (not me, my brother)was instrumental in
bankrolling the GA Archives as Secretary of State of Georgia but I doubt
if she ever read a single roll of microfilm, or, for that matter, likely
even knew they existed.
She had much to commend her life. Graduated Vanderbilt '29, moved to
Cuba to teach, placed 35th (or close to that) among 500 or so in Cuban
National Singles Tennis...but she had cut her long hair off and sneaked
in because it was a tournament for guys only. Went on a brief (very)
barnstorming trip with Amelia Earhart, etc. You get the picture, a
libber born 50 years too soon. Eventually wound up back in middle
Georgia with a Phd in dyslexia and head of the area program for cerebral
palsied and/or dyslexic kids.
Retired from that and had 4 or 5 more non-paying more or less "charity"
educational jobs that occupied the remainder of her life. At the
Gainesville address she was a freebie housemother for a sorority at
Brenau College and simultaneously learned Vietnamese to teach English as
a second language to the Vietnamese immigrants in the North Georgia
chicken biz. I expound on this only to suggest I'm not doing a number
on her when I say she was probably about the worst genealogist I have
ever tried to clean up behind. (Not to imply that I'm particularly any
great shakes either but at least I know about the elementary stuff even
if I don't always do it).
Dorothy's "factual" stuff, when she could copy a courthouse document,
wasn't too bad but she had a knack for putting all the wrong guys and
gals in all the wrong places and her "assumptions" ultimately and
invariably proved incorrect. I have often thought about re-writing that
"chapter" in the HSCGA book but didn't figure it would accomplish
anything of substance. In any case, my counsel is that one should take
the Poythress information in HSCGA (and probably all the other families
too) only as an assembly of "finding guides" on which one should do his
or her own research.
In the meanwhile, don't make book on any Poythress information in HSCGA.
Sorry, I would have preferred to not say she was "wrong."
I apologize for having disappointing news for you.
Maynard
P. S.
And I'd suggest to Louise Poythress-Lee that she is likely a descendent
of John White Poythress, son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and second wife
Hester Wilder Mock...a crowd who later moved from north Screven County
down to the Screven-Effingham county line and wound up in that Newington
Baptist Cemetery, among whom Gazzie was one of the descendents. The
family now remaining (few named Poythress ironically) up in that north
Screven County 34th Militia District are descendents of Meredith
Poythress, Jr. and ONLY wife Susan R. Maner via son John Maner Poythress
and his own son Horace Cullen Poythress. In the censuses you can tell
them apart because John White Poythress lists as just John Poythress and
in the other line John Maner Poythress almost always lists as John M.
Poythress.
I'd bet on the above but I'm not 100% sure I'd bet the farm.
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Poythress-Concepcion [mailto:dapoythress@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:27 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: GA Poythresses
A while back I got a letter from my 3rd cousin, Louise Poythress-Lee
(youngest daughter of Gazzie Poythress) in GA, who sent me along some
information on the Poythress family that she had gathered. Below is what
she
sent me. I thought it would be good to share it with everyone.
I do not know who Dorothy B. Poythress is or if she is still living at
the
address that was indicated on the information. I would be interested to
speak with her - if she is still alive and learn her connection to the
Poythress family.
Poythress Family
Book unknown, page 256, written by Dorothy Poythress
It is difficult to connect lineage of the Poythress Family. Many
records
were destroyed when courthouses were burned during the Ware with
England.
However, one record shows that a Major George Poythress and his
cousin,
William, born in Virginia, came to Burke County, George in 1856. George
married Hettie Carter, whose father was Brigadier General John Carpenter
Carter. Carter was in Memphis when the war began in 1861 and
distinguished
himself as colonel of the 38th Regiment of Tennessee which bore his
name.
George was active in church affairs and served on a Commission
of the
Congregational Society near Waynesboro which had received a charter on
11
August 1790. George and Hettie had a son, John Carter Poythress, born 14
September 1896. George had a daughter by a second marriage, Mary
Elizabeth,
who married Allison Mandell. They had a son, George Allison Mandell.
John Carter Poythress was listed in the 1850 census of Burke
County as a
successful planter worth $30,000 and owning 52 slaves. He was active in
community affairs and was chairman of the Board of Commissioners after
the
legislature passed an act to incorporate the town of Waynesboro 7
January
1813. In the early 1800's he had an Academy built near McBean, near
Poythressville. On the 1855 tax list he is shown to own land in Burke,
Screven and Richmond counties and was listed as a trustee for land owned
by
George Poythress in Burke County. His large estate was known as
"Carter-Poythress House" with much fine silver and furniture. John
Carter
Poythress died 12 December 1862 and was buried in Burke County.
Another Poythress, Meredith, was a soldier in the American
Revolution. He
married Susan R. Maner, a sister of John S. Maner. Their children were
Cleaton, Meredith, Jr., Peter and Elizabeth Brannen. He had a niece,
Sara
Elizabeth Poythress. Meredith, Jr. was an heir to the estate of John S.
Maner, his uncle, on 8 January 1822. He was in the lottery of Burke
County
in 1805 and the 1830 census. In the 1850 census, Meredith, Sr. was
listed as
60 years old; his wife, Susan, 50; Mary, 21; Susan, 18; John 15, Daniel,
12,
Ruthy, 10 was added later. When Meredith's family was overcome by
"indigent
circumstances", the county provided financial aid because "he had been
an
able and responsible citizen".
John M. Poythress was buried in a field near McBride Church near
Sylvania,
Georgia. He married Rhody Gross on 5 April 1854. She died 14 July 1844.
They
had two sons, Horace Cullen and Daniel Willie, a daughter, Laura, and
one
child not named. Horace Cullen Poythress, Sr. married Mary E. Mercer,
born
10 March 1846, died 16 December 1899. Mary is buried in Mercer Cemetery
one
and one-half miles north of McBride Church in an old field. They had a
son
H.C., Jr., born 23 January 1867 died 6 June 1918. He married Flossie O.
Wells, born 8 October 1878, died 7 November 1914. H.C., Jr. and
Flossie's
children were Helen, Etta, Eva, H.C. III, John Maner, Trudy, Elwin
Matthew,
Myrtis and Nita. Jack C. Reddick was appointed guardian over them and
their
property.
Still another Poythress, Daniel W., Sr., born 26 February 1838,
died 15
November 1922, married on 8 February 1866 Laura J. Scott, born 17 April
1946, died 11 December 1919. A Daniel W. Poythress, Jr., signed
affidavit in
1899 that he was "in the service of the Confederate Army."
In the 1870 census, William E. Poythress was listed as 39 years
old, wife
Martha, 29, children: Idella, 12; Boston, 10, William, Jr., 8; Warren,
6;
and Robert, 4: William was killed in the Civil War. The Macon Telegraph
reported the death of a Warren Poythress around 1975. He died on
Saturday
and his wife died the next day. William is buried in North Newington
Church
cemetery.
Also buried in North Newington Church cemetery are Thomas Boston
Poythress
and Robert L. Poythress. Thomas was born 7 April 1860, died 13 May 1937.
His
wife was Julia Ann Usher, born 6 February 1873, died 24 June 1940.
Robert
was born 2 January 1867, died 10 Feb 1935. Robert's wife is listed as
Mrs.
E. D. Poythress, born 28 April 1861, died 2 May 1946.
Dorothy B. Poythress
442 Boulevard Apt 15
Gainesville, GA 30501
Anyone happen to know her, or have spoken with her in the past? I'd love
to
hear from you.
Thanks in advance.
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
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03/28/2004 2:13:52
Re: Poythress/Dortch Connection
Elaine,
That is a great find! And puts yet another very postive link to the
Sarah/Rebecca/Lewis connection.
Many thanks, Barbara (BPW)
03/28/2004 3:10:34
James Poythress
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
A while back I was looking through some databases when I happened upon a Wm
Poythress born 1834. His parents were listed as James Poythress & Catherine
Preston.
I think it might have been with Genealogy.com, of which I am not a member,
so I couldn't access the record and get more details.
I'm interested to know if anyone on the listserver knows of this couple and
is it the same James Poythress that moved to FL?
I'd be interested to learn what anyone might know about them and this
William Poythress as his dob is very close to my William E Poythress born in
Screven Co, GA circa 1833.
Thanks in advance for any clues you might have.
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
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03/28/2004 4:36:09
GA Poythresses
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
A while back I got a letter from my 3rd cousin, Louise Poythress-Lee
(youngest daughter of Gazzie Poythress) in GA, who sent me along some
information on the Poythress family that she had gathered. Below is what she
sent me. I thought it would be good to share it with everyone.
I do not know who Dorothy B. Poythress is or if she is still living at the
address that was indicated on the information. I would be interested to
speak with her - if she is still alive and learn her connection to the
Poythress family.
Poythress Family
Book unknown, page 256, written by Dorothy Poythress
It is difficult to connect lineage of the Poythress Family. Many records
were destroyed when courthouses were burned during the Ware with England.
However, one record shows that a Major George Poythress and his cousin,
William, born in Virginia, came to Burke County, George in 1856. George
married Hettie Carter, whose father was Brigadier General John Carpenter
Carter. Carter was in Memphis when the war began in 1861 and distinguished
himself as colonel of the 38th Regiment of Tennessee which bore his name.
George was active in church affairs and served on a Commission of the
Congregational Society near Waynesboro which had received a charter on 11
August 1790. George and Hettie had a son, John Carter Poythress, born 14
September 1896. George had a daughter by a second marriage, Mary Elizabeth,
who married Allison Mandell. They had a son, George Allison Mandell.
John Carter Poythress was listed in the 1850 census of Burke County as a
successful planter worth $30,000 and owning 52 slaves. He was active in
community affairs and was chairman of the Board of Commissioners after the
legislature passed an act to incorporate the town of Waynesboro 7 January
1813. In the early 1800s he had an Academy built near McBean, near
Poythressville. On the 1855 tax list he is shown to own land in Burke,
Screven and Richmond counties and was listed as a trustee for land owned by
George Poythress in Burke County. His large estate was known as
Carter-Poythress House with much fine silver and furniture. John Carter
Poythress died 12 December 1862 and was buried in Burke County.
Another Poythress, Meredith, was a soldier in the American Revolution. He
married Susan R. Maner, a sister of John S. Maner. Their children were
Cleaton, Meredith, Jr., Peter and Elizabeth Brannen. He had a niece, Sara
Elizabeth Poythress. Meredith, Jr. was an heir to the estate of John S.
Maner, his uncle, on 8 January 1822. He was in the lottery of Burke County
in 1805 and the 1830 census. In the 1850 census, Meredith, Sr. was listed as
60 years old; his wife, Susan, 50; Mary, 21; Susan, 18; John 15, Daniel, 12,
Ruthy, 10 was added later. When Merediths family was overcome by indigent
circumstances, the county provided financial aid because he had been an
able and responsible citizen.
John M. Poythress was buried in a field near McBride Church near Sylvania,
Georgia. He married Rhody Gross on 5 April 1854. She died 14 July 1844. They
had two sons, Horace Cullen and Daniel Willie, a daughter, Laura, and one
child not named. Horace Cullen Poythress, Sr. married Mary E. Mercer, born
10 March 1846, died 16 December 1899. Mary is buried in Mercer Cemetery one
and one-half miles north of McBride Church in an old field. They had a son
H.C., Jr., born 23 January 1867 died 6 June 1918. He married Flossie O.
Wells, born 8 October 1878, died 7 November 1914. H.C., Jr. and Flossies
children were Helen, Etta, Eva, H.C. III, John Maner, Trudy, Elwin Matthew,
Myrtis and Nita. Jack C. Reddick was appointed guardian over them and their
property.
Still another Poythress, Daniel W., Sr., born 26 February 1838, died 15
November 1922, married on 8 February 1866 Laura J. Scott, born 17 April
1946, died 11 December 1919. A Daniel W. Poythress, Jr., signed affidavit in
1899 that he was in the service of the Confederate Army.
In the 1870 census, William E. Poythress was listed as 39 years old, wife
Martha, 29, children: Idella, 12; Boston, 10, William, Jr., 8; Warren, 6;
and Robert, 4: William was killed in the Civil War. The Macon Telegraph
reported the death of a Warren Poythress around 1975. He died on Saturday
and his wife died the next day. William is buried in North Newington Church
cemetery.
Also buried in North Newington Church cemetery are Thomas Boston Poythress
and Robert L. Poythress. Thomas was born 7 April 1860, died 13 May 1937. His
wife was Julia Ann Usher, born 6 February 1873, died 24 June 1940. Robert
was born 2 January 1867, died 10 Feb 1935. Roberts wife is listed as Mrs.
E. D. Poythress, born 28 April 1861, died 2 May 1946.
Dorothy B. Poythress
442 Boulevard Apt 15
Gainesville, GA 30501
Anyone happen to know her, or have spoken with her in the past? I'd love to
hear from you.
Thanks in advance.
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
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03/28/2004 7:27:07
RE: James Poythress
John M. Poythress
Debbie....sorry but no way they could be the same if "your" James was b.
1834. The Screven County James was patenting land in Jackson Co., FL
before 1830 and had already done several recorded transactions in
Screven County by then.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Poythress-Concepcion [mailto:dapoythress@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: James Poythress
A while back I was looking through some databases when I happened upon a
Wm
Poythress born 1834. His parents were listed as James Poythress &
Catherine
Preston.
I think it might have been with Genealogy.com, of which I am not a
member,
so I couldn't access the record and get more details.
I'm interested to know if anyone on the listserver knows of this couple
and
is it the same James Poythress that moved to FL?
I'd be interested to learn what anyone might know about them and this
William Poythress as his dob is very close to my William E Poythress
born in
Screven Co, GA circa 1833.
Thanks in advance for any clues you might have.
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
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03/28/2004 7:53:00
Poythress/Dortch Connection
Hope all of you are well. I have been following the Dortch posting to the
P-List. Very interesting and thanks Julie for making it available. Since I have
access to the census images at Ancestry.com, for the heck of it I entered
William Dortch into the database. The index came up saying in 1860 a William Dortch
was living in the household of Benjamin Stanley. I viewed the census pages it
gave and that household was of Benjamin Stanley and Rebecca Poythress
Stanley. He did not show up in that household, when doing my census project because
he was added at the end of another page, as being omitted.
Brunswick County, VA, Meherrin Dist., page 674
HH 22 - Wm. Dortch (omitted), age 17, male, farm laborer, born VA
HH 22 is also the household listed for Benjamin and Rebecca Stanley and their
children.
Don't know what, if anything this offers, except it puts a Dortch in the
household of a known daughter of Lewis Poythress Sr.
Take care,
Elaine
03/28/2004 7:53:25
Re: James Poythress & son Wm
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Debbie,
The James Poythress who married Catherine Preston is my ancestor. The
William Poythress you mention is one of their children, & he was listed
in the Poythress & Preston family Bible record (a copy of which is at
the Library of VA website). That William's info in that record is shown as:
William Huel Poythress, was born Dec. 10th 1832, in Mecklenburg, Va
(Mecklenburg County, Virginia). He Died June 26th 1854, In Sumter Cty,
Ala (Sumter County, Alabama).
William Huel Poythress did not marry before dying as a 21-year old young
man. However his brother's son, born in Nov of 1853, was named for him
William Huel Poythress, Jr.
Cheers,
BPN
3/28/2004 Debbie Poythress-Concepcion wrote: A while back I was looking through some databases when I happened
upon a
> Wm Poythress born 1834. His parents were listed as James Poythress &
> Catherine Preston.
03/28/2004 10:10:46
Poythress/Claiborne abt.1743 VA
Dear List:
Has anyone seen evidence of a Martha Ravenscroft Poythress or
Georgiana/Hannah Poythress marrying a Bernard or Burnell Claiborne in Virginia around 1743?
Area of Viginia is either Dinwiddie or Prince George Co....
I have found some Bible records from the Claiborne and Powell families that
indicates such a marriage and the Batte papers at LVA but cannot find any
evidence that would seem to support it. Would appreciate any help any of you
might offer.
Thank you.
Mary Jean Z
04/01/2004 6:54:52
Re: Poythress/Dortch Connection
Barbara P. Neal
I have a few additional tidbits to note, along with my thanks to Elaine
for locating the additional 1860 Brunswick Co, VA census info (copied
below) about Wm Dortch being in the household of Benjamin Stanley & his
wife Rebecca, who was a daughter of Lewis Poythress.
These marriages & the census, in immediately adjacent counties, fit with
our understanding that our Poythress family being discussed lived very
near the county line dividing Brunswick Co from Mecklenburg Co, VA. This
area is also just across the stateline dividing this part of VA from
Warren Co, NC, which Julie Cabitto mentioned in her original 3/27/2004
message captioned "Clarifying Dortch Bible typos- William A. Dortch
married to Sarah Poythress.
Some of you may recall the following tidbits from earlier years'
discussions:
(1) Re the above-mentioned couple of the 1860 Brunswick Co, VA census
household: We are assured that Rebecca was the daughter of Lewis
Poythress from our examination of a photocopy (from microfilm) of the
couple's original marriage record, the 22 Jan 1832 Mecklenburg Co, VA
marriage of Benjamin "Standley" to Rebecca L. Poythress. On the Marriage
Consent, signed 21 January 1832 by Rebecca's father Lewis Poythress, he
states that she is of "lawfull age." It is also signed by Rebecca L.
Poythress, and is witnessed by Thomas L. Webb and David Poythress. The
accompanying Bond was signed by Benjamin Standley and David Poythress,
and witnessed by J. L? Daly, D.C. [Deputy Clerk of the court]. John
Vogt, in his book "Virginia Historic Marriage Register: Mecklenburg
County Marriages, 1765 - 1853" on p.256, notes that the marriage of
Rebecca L. Poythress and Benjamin Standley was performed 22 Jan 1832 by
minister James McAden, who Vogt also identifies in his book as having
conducted 197 ceremonies from 1822 to 1853.)
(2) Prior to that above-mentioned marriage of Benjamin "Standley," there
had been an earlier marriage in immediately adjacent Brunswick Co, VA of
Benjamin "Stanley" to Frances Preston on 15 Jan 1824. Frances died
almost exactly one year later, on 25 Jan 1825 in Brunswick Co. The
Benjamin Stanley & Frances Preston marriage, along with Frances' birth
(17 Apr 1796 in Brunswick Co) and death, are listed on my ancestors'
Poythress & Preston Family Bible type record, a copy of which is
available online at the Library of Virginia's Bible collection as
accession #34866. [Frances' younger sister, Catherine Speed Preston,
married James Edward Poythress on 6 Feb 1828] In John Vogt's book,
"Virginia Historic Marriage Register: Brunswick County, Marriages,
1750-1853" he notes that Frances' father, Joshua Preston, gave consent
for her marriage, and that the bond, dated 14 Jan 1824, was given by
Benjamin W. Davis.
(3) Some of you may also recall that my ancestor, the above-mentioned
Catherine (nee Preston) Poythress, passed down a photograph album that
contains a tintype of a young lady whose picture is labelled as being
"Cousin Anna Stanley." Anna was possibly related to this Benjamin
Stanley, but we have no way of knowing for sure who her parents were.
Thanks again, Elaine.
BPN
3/28/2004 Denver145@aol.com wrote: ...at Ancestry.com, for the heck of it I entered
William Dortch into the database. The index came up
saying in 1860 a William Dortch was living in the
household of Benjamin Stanley. I viewed the census
pages it gave and that household was of Benjamin
Stanley and Rebecca Poythress Stanley. He did not show
up in that household, when doing my census project
because he was added at the end of another page, as
being omitted.
Brunswick County, VA, Meherrin Dist., page 674
HH 22 - Wm. Dortch (omitted), age 17, male, farm laborer,
born VA
HH 22 is also the household listed for Benjamin and
Rebecca Stanley and their children.
04/01/2004 11:50:31
RE: Poythress/Claiborne abt.1743 VA
John M. Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress/Claiborne abt.1743 VA
Dear List:
Has anyone seen evidence of a Martha Ravenscroft Poythress or
Georgiana/Hannah Poythress marrying a Bernard or Burnell Claiborne in
Virginia around 1743? Area of Viginia is either Dinwiddie or Prince
George Co....
I have found some Bible records from the Claiborne and Powell families
that indicates such a marriage and the Batte papers at LVA but cannot
find any evidence that would seem to support it. Would appreciate any
help any of you
might offer.
Thank you.
Mary Jean Z
Mary Jean:
Check the following:
1) Virginia Historical Magazine, Volume 1 (1893-1894, pp. 318-319. It's
a full page of Claibornes and in particular "Bernard (Claibourne), who
married Mrs. Poythress, nee' Ravenscroft, and had a daughter who married
Reverend Deveraux Jarrett, and another who is said to have married Genl.
Phillips, of the English army, and to have been the mother of Col. Ralph
Phillips, the Irish orator.
2) Virginia Historical Magazine, Volume 2 (1895), pp 424-425).
Essentially says same as above but with a couple of different wrinkles.
Unfortunately, no citations given except "of Captain D. Claibourne's
notes."
If you don't have access to the periodicals above send me a name and a
snail mail address and I'll be happy to run you photocopies.
Hope this helps,
John M. Poythress
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04/02/2004 9:20:02
Re: Poythress/Claiborne abt.1743 VA
John:
What wonderful news! I have looked I thought everywhere and certainly missed
this famous one. I would most appreciate a copy of the article as it is not
available at my local library, and will reimburse you for your costs. Snail
mail address, I will send in a private email. How very kind of you to offer,
and to respond.
I am most curious about the connection to the Claibornes. The Bible records
indicate:
Capt. Thomas B. Claiborne and Anne Fox >Bernard and Martha Ravenscroft
Poythress> Col. Thos Claiborne and Mary Clayton> D.J. Claiborne and Harriet Edmunds>
Adaline Claiborne and William Cole Powell...briefly...with many children left
out etc. but that would be my line. I could not find but one citation for
Martha Poythress who appeared to have been the daughter of Francis Poythree (abt
1738) and between searching for that name and Ravenscroft...just couldn't
find a connection or the correct name. Can't wait to find out the support
offered for this liason.
Thank you so very much.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 04/02/2004 4:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Has anyone seen evidence of a Martha Ravenscroft Poythress or
Georgiana/Hannah Poythress marrying a Bernard or Burnell Claiborne in
Virginia around 1743? Area of Viginia is either Dinwiddie or Prince
George Co....
I have found some Bible records from the Claiborne and Powell families
that indicates such a marriage and the Batte papers at LVA but cannot
find any evidence that would seem to support it. Would appreciate any
help any of you
might offer.
Thank you.
Mary Jean Z
Mary Jean:
Check the following:
1) Virginia Historical Magazine, Volume 1 (1893-1894, pp. 318-319. It's
a full page of Claibornes and in particular "Bernard (Claibourne), who
married Mrs. Poythress, nee' Ravenscroft, and had a daughter who married
Reverend Deveraux Jarrett, and another who is said to have married Genl.
Phillips, of the English army, and to have been the mother of Col. Ralph
Phillips, the Irish orator.
2) Virginia Historical Magazine, Volume 2 (1895), pp 424-425).
Essentially says same as above but with a couple of different wrinkles.
Unfortunately, no citations given except "of Captain D. Claibourne's
notes."
If you don't have access to the periodicals above send me a name and a
snail mail address and I'll be happy to run you photocopies.
Hope this helps,
John M. Poythress
04/02/2004 10:02:39
Richard High Poythress who died 1939
Barbara P. Neal
The following information is shown on the Death Certificate of Richard
H. (High) Poythress, which is on file with the Mississippi State Dept.
of Health, Vital Records Section, stamped with State File No. 937.
The Death Certificate shows that Richard High Poythress resided at 903
Braxton Avenue in the city of Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
It gives his principal cause of death as "Heart & Kidney" and
Contributory Causes as "Don't know" as certified by James Bennett, M.D.
(BPN note: Dr. Bennett was son of David Lavender Bennett and Penelope
Frances Poythress; Penelope was daughter of James Edward Poythress, who
we think was a first cousin of Richard's father, James Speed Poythress;
thus Dr. Bennett and Richard High Poythress would've been 2nd cousins.)
Dr. Bennett had attended him since July of 1935, and last saw him alive
on the day of his death, which occurred 15 Jan 1939 at 6pm. There was no
autopsy; death was not the result of any accident or any other external
violent cause; there was no relationship between his employment and his
cause of death. The date and place of his burial are given as 16 Jan
1939 at Magnolia Cemetery in Meridian, with James F. Webb Funeral Home
as undertaker. The informant, B. R. Poythress (BPN note: his brother
Bryant Richardson Poythress), of Meridian gives his age as 63 years 9
months 20 days, and his birthdate as 26 Mar 1875 in Alabama; he is
described as Single; employed in Church work as a janitor. His father is
listed as J. S. Poythress (BPN note: James Speed Poythress) who was born
in Virginia; and his mother as Martha Grice, born in NC.
04/06/2004 12:13:27
Carl Hutton Poythress who died 1974
Barbara P. Neal
The following information is shown on the Death Certificate of Carl H.
(Hutton) Poythress, which is on file with the Mississippi State Dept. of
Health, Vital Records Section, stamped with State File No.00764.
The Death Certificate shows that Carl H. Poythress, White Male, died 22
Jan 1974 in the Jasper County Nursing Home, in the town of Bay Springs,
Jasper County, Mississippi. It gives his immediate cause of death as
Myocardial Infarction, due to or as a consequence of Coronary
Arteriosclerosis, due to or as a consequence of Generalized
Arteriosclerosis, with Other Significant Condition listed as Septicemia
(E. Coli), as certified on Jan 30, 1974 by A.K. Lay, Box 467, Bay
Springs, MS 39422. No autopsy was conducted, and no info was listed for
any of the other boxes to indicate death being the result of any
accident or any other external violent cause. The date and place of his
burial are given as 24 Jan 1974 at Lake Park Cemetery in Laurel,
Mississippi, with Thompson Funeral Home of P.O. Box 1457, Laurel, MS
39440 handling the arrangements.
The informant, Mrs. Edward L. Geiger (BPN note: his daughter, whose
maiden name was Nedra Adore Poythress, who is now deceased) gave his age
at his last birthday as 89, and his birthdate as 26 Mar 1884 in Alabama;
he is described as Widowed and as being a retired banker. No Social
Security number is listed for him. His residence was given as 1005 N.
2nd Ave, in Laurel, Jones County, MS 39440, which is the same mailing
address listed for Mrs. Geiger (his daughter). His father is listed as
James Steed(sic) Poythress (BPN note: should show James Speed
Poythress); and his mother's maiden name is listed as Martha Raiford.
04/07/2004 6:37:26
RE: Carl Poythress
Also, on his WWI Draft Registration, he list his birth year as 1884. The only
record that shows the 1885 birth year is his application for Social Security.
Take care,
Elaine
Yes, BPW, thanks - I think that Elaine & I already discussed the
birthdate discrepancies on Carl, who is her grandfather, and decided on
the family Bible being the most likely correct date.
Must run,
BPN
4/7/2004 Beetle72@aol.com wrote:
> Barb,
>
> You've most likely already checked this out. On the social security
> index it shows Carl Poythress with his social security number and
> birthdate as 26 March of 1885.instead of 1884.
>
> Spelling and dates as usual suspects!
>
> Barbara
04/08/2004 6:32:48
For all you southern Californians...
John M. Poythress
- 35th Annual Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo in Pasadena
A major genealogy "jamboree" will be held this week in Pasadena,
California. The Southern California Genealogical Society's Genealogical
Jamboree and Resource Expo begins at 1:00 PM on Friday, April 16. The
Jamboree will continue into Friday's evening hours and then on Saturday
until 6:00 PM.
The Jamboree always features exhibits by many of the leading genealogy
vendors as well as numerous societies. In addition, a number of speakers
will be holding forth both days on a variety of topics. A full list of
the presentations as well as the speakers' bios can be found on the
sponsoring society's Web site.
This has been a very busy and even crowded conference in past years. The
"genealogy grapevine" says that this year's event will probably be one
of the larger jamborees in recent times.
If you are unable to be in Pasadena this coming weekend, you can still
read about it in next week's edition of this newsletter. I will be at
the Jamboree and expect to write about it while flying 3,000 miles back
home on Sunday. That report should appear in next week's newsletter.
If you do attend the Jamboree, please drop by the New England Historic
Genealogical Society's booth and say "hello." I'll be there, along with
a couple of the Society's members. We would love to meet you.
You might also take advantage of the research day at the Southern
California Genealogical Society's library in Burbank, being offered on
Sunday, April 16. You can obtain more information about the society's
Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo at their Web site:
http://www.scgsgenealogy.com
04/13/2004 4:49:28
Re: For all you southern Californians...
koswcartist
OK...also LOL. Thanks for the input.. Dont think do it, but would like to
have the time. PK
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: For all you southern Californians...
> Patti.....LOL.....I'm not coming. Just thought all you folks in CA would
> like to know about it. Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: koswcartist [mailto:koswcartist@socal.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:42 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: For all you southern Californians...
>
> Where are you staying in pasadena? that is only 40 miles from me. Patti
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM
> Subject: For all you southern Californians...
>
>
> > - 35th Annual Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo in Pasadena
> > A major genealogy "jamboree" will be held this week in Pasadena,
> > California. The Southern California Genealogical Society's
> Genealogical
> > Jamboree and Resource Expo begins at 1:00 PM on Friday, April 16. The
> > Jamboree will continue into Friday's evening hours and then on
> Saturday
> > until 6:00 PM.
> > The Jamboree always features exhibits by many of the leading genealogy
> > vendors as well as numerous societies. In addition, a number of
> speakers
> > will be holding forth both days on a variety of topics. A full list of
> > the presentations as well as the speakers' bios can be found on the
> > sponsoring society's Web site.
> > This has been a very busy and even crowded conference in past years.
> The
> > "genealogy grapevine" says that this year's event will probably be one
> > of the larger jamborees in recent times.
> > If you are unable to be in Pasadena this coming weekend, you can still
> > read about it in next week's edition of this newsletter. I will be at
> > the Jamboree and expect to write about it while flying 3,000 miles
> back
> > home on Sunday. That report should appear in next week's newsletter.
> > If you do attend the Jamboree, please drop by the New England Historic
> > Genealogical Society's booth and say "hello." I'll be there, along
> with
> > a couple of the Society's members. We would love to meet you.
> > You might also take advantage of the research day at the Southern
> > California Genealogical Society's library in Burbank, being offered on
> > Sunday, April 16. You can obtain more information about the society's
> > Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo at their Web site:
> > http://www.scgsgenealogy.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/14/2004 1:21:05
Re: For all you southern Californians...
koswcartist
Where are you staying in pasadena? that is only 40 miles from me. Patti
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: For all you southern Californians...
> - 35th Annual Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo in Pasadena
> A major genealogy "jamboree" will be held this week in Pasadena,
> California. The Southern California Genealogical Society's Genealogical
> Jamboree and Resource Expo begins at 1:00 PM on Friday, April 16. The
> Jamboree will continue into Friday's evening hours and then on Saturday
> until 6:00 PM.
> The Jamboree always features exhibits by many of the leading genealogy
> vendors as well as numerous societies. In addition, a number of speakers
> will be holding forth both days on a variety of topics. A full list of
> the presentations as well as the speakers' bios can be found on the
> sponsoring society's Web site.
> This has been a very busy and even crowded conference in past years. The
> "genealogy grapevine" says that this year's event will probably be one
> of the larger jamborees in recent times.
> If you are unable to be in Pasadena this coming weekend, you can still
> read about it in next week's edition of this newsletter. I will be at
> the Jamboree and expect to write about it while flying 3,000 miles back
> home on Sunday. That report should appear in next week's newsletter.
> If you do attend the Jamboree, please drop by the New England Historic
> Genealogical Society's booth and say "hello." I'll be there, along with
> a couple of the Society's members. We would love to meet you.
> You might also take advantage of the research day at the Southern
> California Genealogical Society's library in Burbank, being offered on
> Sunday, April 16. You can obtain more information about the society's
> Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo at their Web site:
> http://www.scgsgenealogy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/14/2004 4:41:36
RE: For all you southern Californians...
John M. Poythress
Patti.....LOL.....I'm not coming. Just thought all you folks in CA would
like to know about it. Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: koswcartist [mailto:koswcartist@socal.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:42 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: For all you southern Californians...
Where are you staying in pasadena? that is only 40 miles from me. Patti
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: For all you southern Californians...
> - 35th Annual Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo in Pasadena
> A major genealogy "jamboree" will be held this week in Pasadena,
> California. The Southern California Genealogical Society's
Genealogical
> Jamboree and Resource Expo begins at 1:00 PM on Friday, April 16. The
> Jamboree will continue into Friday's evening hours and then on
Saturday
> until 6:00 PM.
> The Jamboree always features exhibits by many of the leading genealogy
> vendors as well as numerous societies. In addition, a number of
speakers
> will be holding forth both days on a variety of topics. A full list of
> the presentations as well as the speakers' bios can be found on the
> sponsoring society's Web site.
> This has been a very busy and even crowded conference in past years.
The
> "genealogy grapevine" says that this year's event will probably be one
> of the larger jamborees in recent times.
> If you are unable to be in Pasadena this coming weekend, you can still
> read about it in next week's edition of this newsletter. I will be at
> the Jamboree and expect to write about it while flying 3,000 miles
back
> home on Sunday. That report should appear in next week's newsletter.
> If you do attend the Jamboree, please drop by the New England Historic
> Genealogical Society's booth and say "hello." I'll be there, along
with
> a couple of the Society's members. We would love to meet you.
> You might also take advantage of the research day at the Southern
> California Genealogical Society's library in Burbank, being offered on
> Sunday, April 16. You can obtain more information about the society's
> Genealogical Jamboree and Resource Expo at their Web site:
> http://www.scgsgenealogy.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
04/14/2004 8:26:09
Poythress (& Raiford) Bible text transcription
Barbara P. Neal
To make the info from Elaine Poythress Criddle's family's
Poythress & Raiford Bible available through the archiving of our
Poythress-List messages, I'm posting this text transcription of its
info, with Elaine's permission, and with her help in providing me with
her earlier transcription and images of the original Bible pages to
resolve questions.
The JPG (image) version of an earlier transcription of the Bible's pages
is available at our Poythress research website. My own comments
throughout are enclosed in parentheses.
(Note: in a few places, Poythress was written in the old script which
some people now read as "Poythrefs." Since that old script which looks
like "fs" was the earlier way of writing a double-s, I am only using
"Poythress" throughout.)
BPN
= = =
Text Transcription of Bible's Family Record pages
By: Elaine Poythress Criddle & Barbara Poythress Neal
As closely as possible, the following text entries give the info from
the original entries in the Bible.
Bible's Family Record cover page, with publication info:
Useful Tables of Scripture Names, Scripture Geography, Scripture
Chronology, and Scripture References. Including Valuable Harmonies of
the Scriptures by Rev. G. Townsend of Cambridge, England. Prepared to
Accompany The Reference Bible. By Hervey Wilbur, A.M. Stereotyped by
James Conner, New-York. New-York; Published by N. & J. White, No. 108
Pearl Street. [illegible name, possibly A Carshaw] Printer, [street
number and street name illegible] Street. 1833.
(One of 4 pages of Family Record)
Family Record.
Births. (One of two pages of births; left column, top to bottom)
Mathew Raiford a son of Robert Raiford and Sivil Raiford Wife was Borned
the 5 day of August 1809
Sarah Raiford a Wife of Mathew Raiford was Borned April the 12..1801
Zilpha Jane Cook was Borned Febrary (sic) the 9 day 1821
Tempernce (sic; Temperance) Ann Cook was Borned April the 25 day 1825
John Thomas Cook Was Borned July the 22 day 1830
M.L. Poythress was born May 4th 1894 (BPN note: this was a female; she
was daughter of below-mentioned Ed James Poythress, aka James Edward
Poythress; I do not know the identity of her mother)
W.M. Poythress was born July 23 1896 (BPN note: this was Willie Mae, a
female; she was daughter of James David Poythress & Carrie Price Shephard)
Charli (sic) Poythress was born March 31st 1896 (BPN note: this was
Charles William Poythress, Jr., a son of Charles William Poythress &
Lucy E. White)
Grace Poythress was born Nov. 30th 1898
(Same page of births; right column, top to bottom)
Births.
Nancy Carroline (sic) Raiford a daughter of Mathew Raiford and Sarah
Raiford his Wife was Borned the 29 day of May 1834
William Robert Raiford a Son of Mathew Raiford and Sarah Raiford his
wife was Borned the 25 day of March 1836
Mary Elizer (sic) Raiford a daughter of Mathew Raiford and Sarah Raiford
his wife was Borned the 3 day of September 1838
J. Wallace Poythress was born May 4th (sic; no year given; his first
name was John)
Robert Lee (sic; surname Poythress), son of Robt L. and Mamie
Poythress was born Nov. 19, 1900
Ed. James Poythress was born Jan. 12th 1901 (BPN note: there was little
space for this last entry on the page, so "Ed." was abbreviated instead
of spelling out "Edward" -- I've seen his name given as James Edward
Poythress, though I understand he was known always known as Ed or Edward)
(Another of the 4 pages of Family Record:)
Family Record.
Births. (Other of the two pages of births; left column, top to bottom)
William Raiford Son of Robert and Sivill Raiford was Borned October 5th
day 1811
Martha Raiford a daughter of Mathew Raiford and Sarah Raiford his wife
was Borned the 31 day of January 1840
James Speed Poythress was born Sept- 24 1829
James Richard Simms was born July 31st 1876
Roland Theophilus Simms was born January 13th 1879
John Thomas Poythress was born Dec 19/77 (sic; 19 Dec 1877)
Sallie Grice Poythress was born Dec 26/79 (sic; 26 Dec 1879)
Bryant Richardson Poythress was born October 3rd 1881
Births. (Same page of births; right column, top to bottom)
John W. High son of W.R. High and Temperance Ann was borned March 31st
1848 (BPN note: I presume from context & dates that this mother is the
above-mentioned Temperance Ann Cook)
John F. Cook was born September the 23rd A.D. 1793
Rosa Wiss Poythress was born April 18th 1901 (BPN note: The first letter
of Rosa's middle name is written just like the "w" of the word "was" so
her middle name seems to be "Wiss" or could possibly be "Niss." The
month of April is written into the decorative border of the column, so
the "il" of April is difficult to see.)
Charlie Willie Poythress son of James & Mattie Poythress was born Aug
24th 1868
Elenor C. Poythress was born Aug 11th 1899
James David Poythress was born Nov 1st 1869
Hazelle O. Poythress was born June 18 1903 (BPN note: earlier
transcription showed her name as Rozelle, because the ornate "H" was
earlier mistaken for an "R" -- her name is indeed Hazel; we know from
gravemarkers that are also posted on our Poythress research website that
her marker shows her name as Hazel O. Poythress)
James S. Poythress was born Dec 2- (BPN note: This was probably James
Stroble Poythress, son of James David Poythress & Carrie Price Shephard;
James Stroble Poythress was born 26 Dec 1903. On this entry, the "2" of
the date is almost off the edge of the page, in the last solid line of
the decorative edge of the column; there was not enough space for
continuing the day and the year)
Robert Lee Poythress was born March 6 1871
Mary Rebecca Speed Poythress was born December 3rd 1872
Richard High Poythress was born March 27 1875
Carlos (sic) Hutton Poythress was born 26 March 1884
(Third of 4 pages of Family Record:)
Family Record.
Marriages. (Left column, top to bottom)
Mathew Raiford and Sarah Raiford his Wife was marred (sic) the Eight day
of August 1832
Zilfiha(sic) Jane Cook was marred (sic) July 1835
C.M. Card and Sallie G. Poythress were married Sept 7th 1904
(Same page)
Marriages. (Right column, top to bottom)
James S. Poythress & Mattie G. Raiford was married Nov 26th 1867
W.T. Simms and M.E. Raiford was married the 24th day of August 1875
Robert L. Poythress and Mammie (sic) F. Grace were married Jan. 28, 1900
in St. Louis
Charlie W. Poythress and Lucy E. White were married June 7th/93 (sic; 7
Jun 1893) at Mayehoff Springs
James D. Poythress and Carrie P. Shephard were married Sept 11 1895
in Macon, Miss.
J.T. Poythress and Grace B. Dunn were married Aug. 27 - 1902
(Last of 4 pages of Family Record:)
Family Record.
Deaths. (Left column, top to bottom)
Nancy Carroline (sic) Raiford a daughter of Mathew Raiford and Sarah
Raiford his wife departed this life the 6 day of June 1836
Mary Eliza Simms died Sept 23d 1881
John T. Cook Died Apr 8th 1884
Caroline Cook his wife died _______(sic) 1884
Temperance A. High died Feb 27th 1886
Sally Raiford died May 19th 1886
W.R. High died Dec 25th 1886
Elenor C. Poythress died July 18th 1900
(Same page)
Deaths. (Right column, top to bottom)
Mrs. J.S. Poythress died Aug 19- 1917
J.S. Poythress Died March 17- 1923
Richard High Poythress - (died) January 15, 1939
(End of transcription)
04/16/2004 2:24:59
Correction Re: Poythress (& Raiford) Bible text transcription
Barbara P. Neal
Re my transcription, which was originally posted 16 Apr 2004, captioned
"Poythress (& Raiford) Bible text transcription" I have two items of
addition/correction -
First: Re the entry transcribed as "Rosa Wiss Poythress was born April
18th 1901" I have now realized this was the daughter of James David
Poythress & Carrie Price Shephard, whose name is shown in Betty
Lawrence's book on Poythress and related families as "Rosa Wise
Poythress." Note: The full title of the 1993 revision of Betty
Lawrence's book is: "Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr. and James
Edward and Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress, And Descendants, And
Related Families: Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, McKinley, Peel, Pinson"
-- Betty Lawrence's book was originally published in about 1978, in
looseleaf form in a blue ringbinder; it was revised in 1993. Betty is
deceased. Following her death, the book was (and may still be) available
from her husband, Dr. Tom Lawrence (a retired physician), doing business
as Mount Barton Publishers in Meridian, Mississippi.
Second: Today I realized I included an erroneous comment in my
transcription. I had correctly transcribed from the Bible that:
M.L. Poythress was born May 4th 1894
However then I included the *erroneous* comment (based only on a
notation I had seen years ago from someone in the James Speed Poythress
family line) that "she was the daughter of the below-mentioned Ed James
Poythress, aka James Edward Poythress; I do not know the identity of her
mother" -- This of course cannot be true, since the Bible transcription
shows that Ed James Poythress was born Jan. 12th 1901.
I now realize that "M.L. Poythress" was actually "Martha L. Poythress"
who was a *sister* of Ed James Poythress. She was thus the first child
of Charles William Poythress & Lucy E. White.
Sorry for the erroneous comment in the transcription -
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net
04/18/2004 1:23:28
Some research tips
koswcartist
4-12-2004 rootsweb digest vol04 #194 had this great article by Shirley Hornbeck.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:13:46 -0700
From: Shirley Hornbeck
Subject: This and That German Research
UMLAUT:
A "double dot over a letter". The double-dot (called a diuresis; the
letter-symbol combination is called an umlaut) is the correct, German way
of writing the word; the ue, oe or ae letter combinations are a way of
representing the umlaut in non-germanic alphabets which lack the umlauts.
DOUBLE "S":
The English equivalent of the character that looks like "B" embedded in
names is actually a separate character in German that stands for a double s
as "ss".
GERMAN SURNAME SUFFIXES FOR FEMALES- From Carla Heller- carlah@earthlink.net
A special suffix comprised of the letters "-in" is often seen in old
German records, added to the surnames of females, and is simply a German
language grammatical practice which feminizes the name in question. When
you see the "-in" suffix added to a German surname, it is intended to
demonstrate that the surname was borne by a female.
When the "-in" suffix is added in this way, it DOES NOT MATERIALLY CHANGE
the existing surname itself. If you see your female ancestor denoted as
"Katharina SCHNEIDERIN," for example, Katharina's actual surname would
still be SCHNEIDER for all intents and purposes in your research. It is
also important to note that the use of the feminine suffix on a surname in
German DOES NOT INDICATE whether the female was unmarried or married. It
was used for BOTH single and married females, identically.
This is a standard, centuries-old German grammar practice, more common to
old records than current ones. Since, unlike English, every noun has a
GENDER in German, the use of the feminizing suffix for surnames of females
was in keeping with the structure of that language. Even today, German
grammar still adds the letters "-in" to the end of feminine NOUNS, such as
"Freundin," meaning "female friend" ("Freund" being "male friend"), and
"Lehrerin," meaning "female teacher" ("Lehrer" being "male teacher.")
Note that while this suffix commonly occurred in earlier centuries, it
was NOT used UNIVERSALLY throughout Germany---you may find German records
which completely OMIT the use of the suffix for feminine surnames. Some
researchers will never encounter this form. The use in German of the
feminizing "-in" suffix on surnames of females has greatly diminished in
modern times.
EVANGELISCHE in Germany means virtually the same as "Lutheran" (followers
of Martin Luther), but in Switzerland "Evangelische" means virtually the
same as "Reformed" (followers of Zwingly and Calvin). Historically, in
both of these areas "Evangelische" was a term adopted by by the Reformers
to distinguish their "Protestant" positions from that of the Roman Catholic
Church which they were opposing.
LANDKREIS/KREIS:
Landkreis, short just "Kreis" is the administrative body one notch above
"village" or "town".
From the top to the bottom:
(a) Country, like "Kingdom of Prussia"
(b) State or Province, like "Provinz Posen" or older "Departement Posen" .
(c) Gubernatorial (or: Administrative) District (This has no equivalent in
the USA administrative organization), like "Regie-rungsbezirk Bromberg"
(d) County, like "Landkreis Meseritz" or just "Kreis Meseritz"
(e) Town, Township or Village, like "Stadt Betsche"
A 'Kreis' is, in essence, a county. It literally is a 'circle or
ring' and refers to 'sphere' of influence. It is usually translated
very generically as 'district', but with Prussian 'administrative
districts' being comprised of several Kreise, it gets confusing to refer to
them as districts.
More German Research Tips at my This and That Genealogy page under Germany.
Shirley Hornbeck -
THIS & THAT GENEALOGY TIPS:
04/18/2004 9:57:10
Re: Richard High Poythress who died 1939
koswcartist
The Martha Grice mentioned here is Martha Grice Raiford Poythress only
wife of James Speed Poythress. She is same woman mentioned in your post on
Carl H Poythress of April/07/2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: Richard High Poythress who died 1939
> The following information is shown on the Death Certificate of Richard
> H. (High) Poythress, which is on file with the Mississippi State Dept.
> of Health, Vital Records Section, stamped with State File No. 937.
>
> The Death Certificate shows that Richard High Poythress resided at 903
> Braxton Avenue in the city of Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
> It gives his principal cause of death as "Heart & Kidney" and
> Contributory Causes as "Don't know" as certified by James Bennett, M.D.
> (BPN note: Dr. Bennett was son of David Lavender Bennett and Penelope
> Frances Poythress; Penelope was daughter of James Edward Poythress, who
> we think was a first cousin of Richard's father, James Speed Poythress;
> thus Dr. Bennett and Richard High Poythress would've been 2nd cousins.)
> Dr. Bennett had attended him since July of 1935, and last saw him alive
> on the day of his death, which occurred 15 Jan 1939 at 6pm. There was no
> autopsy; death was not the result of any accident or any other external
> violent cause; there was no relationship between his employment and his
> cause of death. The date and place of his burial are given as 16 Jan
> 1939 at Magnolia Cemetery in Meridian, with James F. Webb Funeral Home
> as undertaker. The informant, B. R. Poythress (BPN note: his brother
> Bryant Richardson Poythress), of Meridian gives his age as 63 years 9
> months 20 days, and his birthdate as 26 Mar 1875 in Alabama; he is
> described as Single; employed in Church work as a janitor. His father is
> listed as J. S. Poythress (BPN note: James Speed Poythress) who was born
> in Virginia; and his mother as Martha Grice, born in NC.
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/18/2004 10:27:15
Off today's Burke Co wire:
John M. Poythress
Release No. 04-19-04
April 23, 2004
VA offers on-line nationwide gravesite locator
More than 3 million records showing where veterans have been buried in
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) national cemeteries are now
available online. The innovation will make it easy for anyone with
Internet access to search for the gravesite locations of deceased family
members and friends.
The nationwide grave locator contains more than three million records of
veterans and dependents buried in VA's 120 cemeteries since the Civil
War. It also has records of some burials in state veterans' cemeteries
and burials in Arlington National Cemetery from 1999 to the present.
"This advance in service culminates years of effort by VA's national
cemetery staffs to put old paper records into this database," said
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi. "Making burial
locations more accessible may bring more visitors to the honored resting
places that we consider national shrines and historical treasures."
The records date to the establishment of the first national cemeteries
during the Civil War. The Web site -- at HYPERLINK
"http://www.cem.va.gov"www.cem.va.gov -- will
be updated nightly with information on burials the previous day.
The site displays the same information that visitors to national
cemeteries find on kiosks or in written ledgers to locate gravesites:
name, dates of birth and death, period of military service, branch of
service and rank if known, the cemetery's location and phone number,
plus the grave's precise location in the cemetery.
The home page, "Burial and Memorial Benefits," allows the reader to
select the Nationwide Gravesite Locator to begin a search.
State cemetery burial records are from those cemeteries that use VA's
database to order government headstones and markers for veterans'
graves. Since 1999, Arlington National Cemetery, operated by the
Department of Army, has used that database.
The information in the database comes from records of interment, which
before 1994 were paper records, kept at each cemetery. VA's interment
records contain more information than what is shown on the Internet and
cemetery kiosks.
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04/26/2004 3:24:17
Rootsweb Weekly Review....
John M. Poythress
At least there is ONE problem we don't have . Maynard
To wit:
If you are searching a database for the surname EISENHOWER or
HEFFLEFINGER you are likely to find references to these "words" only as
surnames because they are not words in common usage as anything other
than a surname. But, if you are looking for your ancestors with surnames
such as FIELD, HILL, COUSIN, JULY, COFFEE, ROSE, or IRELAND you will be
faced with search results listing your surnames as common words, places,
beverages, flowers, relationships, and months of the year.
05/08/2004 6:52:25
Dorman
Michael Tutor
I noticed that Dorman, in Volume I of the 4th edition of Adventurers of Purse and Person, makes Elizabeth Cocke, daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth Pleasants, the wife of Robert Poythress, not Thomas Poythress. I also noticed that a daughter of Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft married a Claiborne and they moved to Georgia. Is this new news or old news? Any new comments?.............Mike
05/10/2004 3:53:24
Fort Wayne, IN Genealogical Library
John M. Poythress
This library, one of the leaders in housing genealogical material has
begun to publish a free monthly newsletter.
While no doubt much of the material will be directed to in-state
(Indiana) genealogy, they propose to have a
comprehensive listing of source highlights, new websites, "and more!"
If you are interested in trying it, to subscribe sent an email to
kspears@acpl.lib.in.us Put only
* ACPL NEWSLETTER>SUBSCRIBE < in the subject line.
Maynard
05/12/2004 6:22:15
5/15/04
Michael Tutor
I don't know if the following will be of use to anyone, but here it is. These are the only deeds that I have seen. Maybe something worthwhile can be gleaned from them.
Name Acreage/Location Date Names & Places
Francis Poythress(1)
400 acres, Charles City Co.
7/13/1637
west of Woodlief; Baylyes Creek; mentioned on 5/8/1648 deed.
Francis Poythress(1)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
2/27/1636 & 7/13/1637; Baylyes Cr.; Thos. Bayly; Osborne; Hill
Francis Poythress(1); sold
150 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
Ardington; West; Worsham; evidently, part of 5/8/1648 was sold or leased
John Poythress(2)
50 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/1661
son of Capt. Francis Poythress; adj. to Capt. Robt. Wynne; gift from Col. Edward Hill
Francis Poythress(2)
450 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
6/3/1665
Testimony from Capt. Robt. Wynne
Francis Poythress(2)
609 acres; Charles City Co.
9/28/1681
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood
Francis Poythress(2)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
4/20/1682
Thos. Morgan
Francis Poythress(2)
1,250 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
11/20/1683
Ellis, Mumford, Batt, Woodley
mentions Francis Poythress(2) & Mrs. Francis Poythress
1,254 acres, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Blackwater; Reade branch; long meadow; Ealeroot Level; Flood; Harris; Taplie; Batts
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
1,078 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Taply; Harrison; Nicholas Whitmore
Mrs. Rebecca Poythress(2)
1,000 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/29/1692
Edw. Ardington
John Poythress(2)
350 acres, Charles City Co.
10/24/1701
Nottaway River; Umatora old fields; Indian sw.; Lee; Jones; Hix; Taylor; Roberts. This land was willed by John Poythress(2) to his son, David Poythress, in 1712, and sold by David, 7/16/1735, to his brother, Robert Poythress.
John Poythress(3), Jr.
609 acres; Charles City Co.
10/23/1703
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood. This land belonged to John Poythress(3)' father, Francis Poythress, who patented the land on 9/28/1681. John received land for the transportation of Charles Bartholomew.
Rent Roll 1704:
Francis Poythress, Sr., 1,283 acres
Thos. Poythress, 616 acres
Jno. Poythress, Jr., 916 acres
John Poythress(3), Jr.
200 acres, Charles City Co.
12/11/1704
sold 200 of 609 acres from 10/23/1703.
John Poythress(3), Sr.
600 acres, Pr. Geo. Co. & Surry Co.
6/22/1708
Rebecca Bartholomew(2) of Prince George Co.
1,000 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
9/10/1711
Easterly Run; path from Jordans to Blackwater; Anne Bartholomew; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
John Poythress(2)
950+ acres (will), Prince George Co.
12/11/1712
Francis ? acres; David 300 acres, Tunnatorah; Joshua 300 acres, Monkasoneck; Robt. 350 acres, Indian swamp
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Weyanoke
50 acres, Prince George Co.
6/8/1714
Birchen swamp; Daniel; Goodwyn. From this deed, it appears that John Poythress(3) inherited part of his gradnfather's grant. His grandfather was David Peebles.
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
3/23/1715
Maherrin River; long meadow branch
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
180 acres, Surry Co.
3/23/1715
Nottaway River; Woodyard swamp. This land was willed in 1801 from Elizabeth Poythress Cocke ( who received the land from her brother, John Poythress) to Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress(3), Sr., of Westover, Prince George Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/12/1715
adj. to his own property; Holly Bushes branch; Richard Pace
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Stith Bolling
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Southwardly Run; Stith Bolling; Batte
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
267 acres, Surry Co.
7/15/1717
New land; Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
2/10/1717-18
"High Peak"; Bailey's Creek; Parham
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
adj. to his own property; sold to Richard Pace of Westover; Carter; Crossland; Kirkland; Rosser
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
lately purchased of Richard Pace; Grammar; sold to Thos. Goodwyn
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
Richard Pace; sold to Thos. Goodwyn; Old Town run; Rosser; Goodrich; Whitmore; Anderson
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
150 acres; Prince George Co.
11/8/1720
"Powells"; Deep Bottom; sold to John Poythress, Jr.; Richard Bland; Joseph Patterson; Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., left this land to his son, Wm. Poythress, in 1724 will.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
92 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/14/1720
Wm. Moore
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George Co.
240 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
9/4/1720
Will of Henry Batte
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Prince George Co.
4/4/1721
adj. Joshua Poythress, Thos. Vinson
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
lease, Bristol, Prince George Co.
4/11/1721
Vinson
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
40 acres, lease, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/11/1721
adj. his own property; Adam Ivie
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
trading 267 acres for 100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/12/1721
trading with Wm. Parham; Bette; Thos. Bolling; Young, Wm. Poythress
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
10/4/1721
Powell's Creek; Hardyman's Mill; Hardyman
Ann Green(3), Burrell Green & Francis Poythress, of Surry Co.; sold
200 acres of 1,000 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Easterly Run; sold to Robt. Hunnicutt; Batts; Ardington; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Blackwater swamp; Francis Poythress to son, John Poythress, to Gibson
Joshua Poythress(3)
333 acres, Prince George Co.
6/22/1722
New Land; Moccosoneck Creek; Wm. Jones, Jr.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch. This is the same property sold by Thos. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
David Poythress(3), of Surry Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Nottaway River; Indian swamp
mentions John Poythress(3)
130 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
11/12/1723
Edw. Prince; Adam Ivie; Gilbert Hay; Hobbs; Capt. John Poythress; sold lately by Mr. Peter Poythress
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
248 acres, Surry Co.
2/22/1724
New Land; Rocky Run; Stoney Creek
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
206 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Reedy branch; Butterwood swamp; Major Epes
Francis Poythress, Capt., of Prince George Co.
387 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Woodlief's branch; Beaver dam. This land went to his son, Francis Poythress, 9/22/1739, upon his death in 1738.
John Poythress(3), Jr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
630+ acres, Will, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
8/11/1724
John 340+ acres, Colebrooks, Ivie Point, Evans Spring Bottom, Stainback's corner, Blackwater swamp; Francis 140+ acres, Brick Chimneys, Deep Bottom, Young, Winningham, Thos. Poythress; William 150+ acres, Lovesay, Powells. John Poythress(3) bought Powells on 11/8/1720. John Poythress(3) possibly left lands he bought 10/23/1703 and 7/15/1717 to his son, John Poythress(4).
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
2/15/1725
Nottaway River; Henry & Katherine Jones (possibly parents of Peter's wife)
Joshua Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
300 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1725
Flowerdew 100; Dutchy Hills; Wilkins; Elizabeth Duke; John Taylor; John Hardyman; Henrietta Maria Hardyman
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
2 acres, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
Walls (or Ward's) Run; Sarah Wall; Wilkins
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
sold to William Poythress of Prince George Co.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
? acres, Prince George Co.
7/12/1726
Harris Run
John Poythress(3), Sr., Capt., of Prince George Co.
275 acres, Brunswick Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Maherrin River; Reedy branch; Beaver Pond Creek. This is the same land sold by Thos. Poythress, of Martins Brandon, to William Rives on 5/13/1773.
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
343 acres, Prince George Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Epes
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
3/11/1728
White oak Creek; John Fitzgerald
Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Governors Quarter branch; adj. father's property
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
291 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Peter Wynne
mentions Robert Poythress(3)
297 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; old Beaver ponds; Robt. Glover
Francis Poythress, Jr.
2,000 acres
11/1/1728
Butterwood swamp; adj. his former land
William Poythress(3)
2,000 acres, Prince George Co.
5/2/1729
Tommaheton Creek
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
267 acres, Surry Co.
3/22/1732
Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp; sold to John Parrum
Thos. Poythress; lost property
180 acres, Surry Co.
9/28/1732
Nottaway River, Woodyard swamp; granted to Peter Green
mentions John Poythress(3)
50 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/28/1732
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch; Joshua Clark; adj. John Poythress
mentions Peter Poythress(3)
140 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
2/28/1733
New Land; Maherrin River; Richard Bland; John Landry; adj. Peter Poythress
Thos. Poythress, of Prince George Co.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Indian Quarter
William Poythress(3), gent., of Prince George Co.
1,024 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Beaver Pond
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
297 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Eppes; Clayton
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
381 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New land; Butterwood swamp; Clayton; Peter Wynn; Batts
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
382 acres, Prince George Co.
2/27/1734
Tommaheton swamp; adj. brother William Poythress
William Poythress(3), gent.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
3/24/1734
Sapponi Chapel; Stephen's branch; Notttaway River road; Robt. Bolling
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Brunswick Co.
1/10/1735
Nottaway River; Resis Jones
Robert Poythress(3)
600 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1735
Nottaway River; Indian swamp; David Poythress sold his land incl. inheritance to brother, Robert Poythress. 350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress(2) on 10/24/1701.
Francis Poythress
4,000 acres
12/15/1736
Butterwood swamp; incl. land already held by him.
John Poythress(3), Sr., gent.
325 acres, Brunswick Co.
3/17/1736
Maherrin River; Fountain's Creek; Great swamp; Cane branch; adj. his land; Chappel; Duglass; Clark. This is the same property sold by Tho. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
mentions Joseph Poythress
700 acres, Prince George Co. & Amelia Co.
1/2/1737
Tommaheton swamp; adj. Joseph Poythress; Yorke; Batts' branch; Wm. Cryer
mentions John Poythress
250 acres, Prince George Co.
2/9/1737
Tommaheton swamp; Beaverpond; adj. John Poythress; John Michell
Francis Poythress, gent.
? acres, Prince George Co.
8/1738
John Allen
Francis Poythress, gent.
3,887 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Butterwood swamp; Cook's branch; White Oak swamp; Fitzgerald's Mill path; Westbrook's road; Governor' branch; Eaton; incl. previous lands
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Tommaheton Creek; Beaverpond branch; Richardson; Wainwright
If any errors are noted, please let me know. If anything of significance is learned, please let me know that also. Eventually, maybe we can nail this family down......Mike
05/15/2004 1:47:02
5/15/04
Michael Tutor
The following includes Pace deeds with the previous Poythress deeds. Until someone definitely identifies Rebecca Poythress' husband as anyone other than Richard Pace, I'll keep looking through the records.
Name Acreage/Location Date Names & Places
George Pace(2)
400 acres, James City corp.
9/1/1628
east of Isabella Pace; son of Richard Pace; Wm. Perry
Isabella Pace(1)
200 acres, James City corp.
9/20/1628
west of George Pace; wife of Richard Pace; John Smith; Burrowes; Chapman; Richards; Dolphenby
Francis Poythress(1)
400 acres, Charles City Co.
7/13/1637
west of Woodlief; Baylyes Creek; mentioned on 5/8/1648 deed.
Francis Poythress(1)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
2/27/1636 & 7/13/1637; Baylyes Cr.; Thos. Bayly; Osborne; Hill
George Pace(2); acquired
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
8/5/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek
George Pace(2); sold
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
10/12/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek; sold to Thos. Drewe
George Pace(2)
507 acres, Charles City Co.
12/6/1652
Powell's Creek; Reedy branch
Francis Poythress(1); sold
150 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
Ardington; West; Worsham; evidently, part of 5/8/1648 was sold or leased
Richard Pace(3); sold
200 acres, Charles City Co.
2/11/1659-60
Westowne branch; Flowerdew 100 Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bland's path; sold to Wm. Wilkins
Richard Pace(3); sold
300 acres, Charles City Co.
2/28/1659-60
Powell's Creek; Biggs; sold to Thos. Madder
John Poythress(2)
50 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/1661
son of Capt. Francis Poythress; adj. to Capt. Robt. Wynne; gift from Col. Edward Hill
Richard Pace(3); sold
? acres, Charles City Co.
3/13/1661-2
Powells Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bucklands Island; to Richard Taylor; adj. Wm. Wilkins
Richard Pace(3)
140 acres, Westover/Charles City Co.
1/21/1664-5
adj. Richd. Baker; Great swamp; gift from Richard Baker
Francis Poythress(2)
450 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
6/3/1665
Testimony from Capt. Robt. Wynne
Francis Poythress(2)
609 acres; Charles City Co.
9/28/1681
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood
Francis Poythress(2)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
4/20/1682
Thos. Morgan
mentions Richard Pace(3)
265 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/16/1683
Higdon; Reese; Kings Field branch; Williamsons; Blackwater path; Scotch branch; Col. Edw. Hill
Francis Poythress(2)
1,250 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
11/20/1683
Ellis, Mumford, Batt, Woodley
mentions Richard Pace(3)
824 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
12/20/1683
Blackwater swamp; Higdon; Edmunds; Old Towne; Tanners branch; Scotch branch; Blackwater path; Col. Edw. Hill
George Pace(3); acquired
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/20/1687
Blackwater; Wms.; Capt. Lucie; Reedy branch; Blackwater path
George Pace(3); sold
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
8/3/1687
sold to Wm. Wilkins
mentions Francis Poythress(2) & Mrs. Francis Poythress
1,254 acres, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Blackwater; Reade branch; long meadow; Ealeroot Level; Flood; Harris; Taplie; Batts
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
1,078 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Taply; Harrison; Nicholas Whitmore
Mrs. Rebecca Poythress(2)
1,000 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/29/1692
Edw. Ardington
John Poythress(2)
350 acres, Charles City Co.
10/24/1701
Nottaway River; Umatora old fields; Indian sw.; Lee; Jones; Hix; Taylor; Roberts. This land was willed by John Poythress(2) to his son, David Poythress, in 1712, and sold by David, 7/16/1735, to his brother, Robert Poythress.
John Poythress(3), Jr.
609 acres; Charles City Co.
10/23/1703
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood. This land belonged to John Poythress(3)' father, Francis Poythress, who patented the land on 9/28/1681. John received land for the transportation of Charles Bartholomew.
Rent Roll 1704:
Francis Poythress, Sr., 1,283 acres
Thos. Poythress, 616 acres
Jno. Poythress, Jr., 916 acres
George Pace, 1,000 acres
John Poythress(3), Jr.
200 acres, Charles City Co.
12/11/1704
sold 200 of 609 acres from 10/23/1703.
John Poythress(3), Sr.
600 acres, Pr. Geo. Co. & Surry Co.
6/22/1708
mentions Richard(3) Pace
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
1/11/1711
Barlow; Wilkinson; Raines
Rebecca Bartholomew(2) of Prince George Co.
1,000 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
9/10/1711
Easterly Run; path from Jordans to Blackwater; Anne Bartholomew; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
John Poythress(2)
950+ acres (will), Prince George Co.
12/11/1712
Francis ? acres; David 300 acres, Tunnatorah; Joshua 300 acres, Monkasoneck; Robt. 350 acres, Indian swamp
mentions Richard Pace(3)
100 acres, Prince George Co.
1/12/1713
Old Town Run; Goodwyn; Cargile
mentions Richard Pace(3)
150 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/14/1713
Mallory; Hatch; Biggins
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Weyanoke
50 acres, Prince George Co.
6/8/1714
Birchen swamp; Daniel; Goodwyn. From this deed, it appears that John Poythress(3) inherited part of his gradnfather's grant. His grandfather was David Peebles.
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
3/23/1715
Maherrin River; long meadow branch
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
180 acres, Surry Co.
3/23/1715
Nottaway River; Woodyard swamp. This land was willed in 1801 from Elizabeth Poythress Cocke ( who received the land from her brother, John Poythress) to Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress(3), Sr., of Westover, Prince Goerge Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/12/1715
adj. to his own property; Holly Bushes branch; Richard Pace
James Pace(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/7/1715
Caesar Walpole; Wm. Epes; Walpole; Bird; Biggins; Goodrich; Hardyman
George Pace(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
120 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
3/12/1715
sold to Ellis & Overby; West
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Stith Bolling
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Southwardly Run; Stith Bolling; Batte
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
267 acres, Surry Co.
7/15/1717
New land; Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp
mentions James Pace(4)
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
8/13/1717
Biggins; Weiks; Byrd; Hatch
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
2/10/1717-18
"High Peak"; Bailey's Creek; Parham
George Pace(5), of Prince George Co.
150 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
12/7/1717
Deep Bottom branch; Monksneck Creek; Lowe
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
285 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1718
Three Creeks; Hamilton; Pasmore; Gadde
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
adj. to his own property; sold to Richard Pace of Westover; Carter; Crossland; Kirkland; Rosser
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
lately purchased of Richard Pace; Grammar; sold to Thos. Goodwyn
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
Richard Pace; sold to Thos. Goodwyn; Old Town run; Rosser; Goodrich; Whitmore; Anderson
Richard Pace(4), of Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
285 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/25/1719
sold to John Bradford; Three Creeks; Pasmore; Gadde; Hamilton
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
150 acres; Prince George Co.
11/8/1720
"Powells"; Deep Bottom; sold to John Poythress, Jr.; Richard Bland; Joseph Patterson; Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., left this land to his son, Wm. Poythress, in 1724 will.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
92 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/14/1720
Wm. Moore
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George Co.
240 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
9/4/1720
Will of Henry Batte
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Prince George Co.
4/4/1721
adj. Joshua Poythress, Thos. Vinson
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
lease, Bristol, Prince George Co.
4/11/1721
Vinson
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
40 acres, lease, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/11/1721
adj. his own property; Adam Ivie
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
trading 267 acres for 100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/12/1721
trading with Wm. Parham; Bette; Thos. Bolling; Young, Wm. Poythress
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
10/4/1721
Powell's Creek; Hardyman's Mill; Hardyman
Ann Green(3), Burrell Green & Francis Poythress, of Surry Co.; sold
200 acres of 1,000 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Easterly Run; sold to Robt. Hunnicutt; Batts; Ardington; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Blackwater swamp; Francis Poythress to son, John Poythress, to Gibson
Joshua Poythress(3)
333 acres, Prince George Co.
6/22/1722
New Land; Moccosoneck Creek; Wm. Jones, Jr.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch. This is the same property sold by Thos. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
David Poythress(3), of Surry Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Nottaway River; Indian swamp
mentions John Poythress(3)
130 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
11/12/1723
Edw. Prince; Adam Ivie; Gilbert Hay; Hobbs; Capt. John Poythress; sold lately by Mr. Peter Poythress
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
248 acres, Surry Co.
2/22/1724
New Land; Rocky Run; Stoney Creek
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
206 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Reedy branch; Butterwood swamp; Major Epes
Francis Poythress, Capt., of Prince George Co.
387 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Woodlief's branch; Beaver dam. This land went to his son, Francis Poythress, 9/22/1739, upon his death in 1738.
John Poythress(3), Jr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
630+ acres, Will, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
8/11/1724
John 340+ acres, Colebrooks, Ivie Point, Evans Spring Bottom, Stainback's corner, Blackwater swamp; Francis 140+ acres, Brick Chimneys, Deep Bottom, Young, Winningham, Thos. Poythress; William 150+ acres, Lovesay, Powells. John Poythress(3) bought Powells on 11/8/1720. John Poythress(3) possibly left lands he bought 10/23/1703 and 7/15/1717 to his son, John Poythress(4).
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
1,220 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
11/5/1724
New Land; Three Creeks; Otterdam swamp; Indian branch; Ryers branch; Great bridge; Roberts; Barlow
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
2/15/1725
Nottaway River; Henry & Katherine Jones (possibly parents of Peter's wife)
Joshua Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
300 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1725
Flowerdew 100; Dutchy Hills; Wilkins; Elizabeth Duke; John Taylor; John Hardyman; Henrietta Maria Hardyman
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
2 acres, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
Walls (or Ward's) Run; Sarah Wall; Wilkins
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
sold to William Poythress of Prince George Co.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
? acres, Prince George Co.
7/12/1726
Harris Run
George Pace(5), of Carolina
674 acres, Prince George Co.
10/4/1727
Appomattox River; Monscusaneck, Wm. Short; Wm. Lowe; John Lowe
John Poythress(3), Sr., Capt., of Prince George Co.
275 acres, Brunswick Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Maherrin River; Reedy branch; Beaver Pond Creek. This is the same land sold by Thos. Poythress, of Martins Brandon, to William Rives on 5/13/1773.
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
343 acres, Prince George Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Epes
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
3/11/1728
White oak Creek; John Fitzgerald
Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Governors Quarter branch; adj. father's property
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
291 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Peter Wynne
mentions Robert Poythress(3)
297 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; old Beaver ponds; Robt. Glover
mentions Richard Pace(4)
Will of John Barlow, Surry Co.
10/16/1728
Otterdam swamp; Syars branch; Three Creeks; adj. Richard Pace; John Barlow to son, Wm. Barlow
mentions Richard Pace(4)
1,200 acres, Surry Co.
3/1729
Thos. Avent; Richard Moore; Stewart; Otterdam swamp; Davis; adj. Richard Pace
Francis Poythress, Jr.
2,000 acres
11/1/1728
Butterwood swamp; adj. his former land
William Poythress(3)
2,000 acres, Prince George Co.
5/2/1729
Tommaheton Creek
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
267 acres, Surry Co.
3/22/1732
Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp; sold to John Parrum
Thos. Poythress; lost property
180 acres, Surry Co.
9/28/1732
Nottaway River, Woodyard swamp; granted to Peter Green
mentions John Poythress(3)
50 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/28/1732
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch; Joshua Clark; adj. John Poythress
mentions Peter Poythress(3)
140 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
2/28/1733
New Land; Maherrin River; Richard Bland; John Landry; adj. Peter Poythress
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
300 acres, prob. Brunswick Co.
6/7/1733
Cow Trap branch; Ryars branch; Nathaniel Harrison; sold to Wm. Johnson
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
680 acres, prob. Brunswick Co.
6/7/1733
Three Creeks; Hubbard Carrell; Wm. Johnson; ...remaining part of 1,200...; sold
Thos. Poythress, of Prince George Co.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Indian Quarter
William Poythress(3), gent., of Prince George Co.
1,024 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Beaver Pond
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
297 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Eppes; Clayton
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
381 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New land; Butterwood swamp; Clayton; Peter Wynn; Batts
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
382 acres, Prince George Co.
2/27/1734
Tommaheton swamp; adj. brother William Poythress
William Poythress(3), gent.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
3/24/1734
Sapponi Chapel; Stephen's branch; Notttaway River road; Robt. Bolling
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Brunswick Co.
1/10/1735
Nottaway River; Resis Jones
Robert Poythress(3)
600 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1735
Nottaway River; Indian swamp; David Poythress sold his land incl. inheritance to brother, Robert Poythress. 350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress(2) on 10/24/1701.
Francis Poythress
4,000 acres
12/15/1736
Butterwood swamp; incl. land already held by him.
John Poythress(3), Sr., gent.
325 acres, Brunswick Co.
3/17/1736
Maherrin River; Fountain's Creek; Great swamp; Cane branch; adj. his land; Chappel; Duglass; Clark. This is the same property sold by Tho. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
mentions Joseph Poythress
700 acres, Prince George Co. & Amelia Co.
1/2/1737
Tommaheton swamp; adj. Joseph Poythress; Yorke; Batts' branch; Wm. Cryer
mentions John Poythress
250 acres, Prince George Co.
2/9/1737
Tommaheton swamp; Beaverpond; adj. John Poythress; John Michell
Francis Poythress, gent.
? acres, Prince George Co.
8/1738
John Allen
Francis Poythress, gent.
3,887 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Butterwood swamp; Cook's branch; White Oak swamp; Fitzgerald's Mill path; Westbrook's road; Governor' branch; Eaton; incl. previous lands
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Tommaheton Creek; Beaverpond branch; Richardson; Wainwright
As with anything else that I have posted, verify everything from originals. There might possibly be a few errors in this material.........Mike
05/15/2004 1:51:29
Poythress land 1600s John Smith
Hi Poca-L List,
Mike has posted some interesting land, etc records (I believe all in VA, see
below) of Poythress deeds, including for early 1600s, particularly including one
(the 3d one) in 1628 for 'John Smith' - one wonders!!! He has posted at least 2
such msgs, see below. I'll look for more.
I'm not certain how this fits in but a msg was just posted on our Poca-L List
mentioning John Smith:
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"Let's be open minded about this:
Perhaps John Smith said nothing about the Cherokee connection, but who accepts
what he says as fact anyway? Smith was purported by many authors to be a
notorious liar. And who discards oral history as fantasy. If that were done a
large part of accepted history would disappear. The Cherokee history, written
today but oral at one time does make connections to the Rolf'e's and Powhatan
suggesting a blood relationship and many Cherokee historians do believe the
Cherokee have ties to the Powhatans. Check their official website."
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PS: Thanks Mike and the Poythress-L List. Mike, can you let me know a bit abt
the source(s) of your post. No rush, & if you don't have the time, etc, I'll
understand. If this is a continuation of prior such posts, I'll look in the List
Archives:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/poythress.html
Actually, I'd also love to research your sources for other Lists,
particularly Rolfe, Dare, Smith, White, etc.
bw
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The following includes Pace deeds with the previous Poythress deeds. Until
someone definitely identifies Rebecca Poythress' husband as anyone other than
Richard Pace, I'll keep looking through the records.
Name Acreage/Location Date Names & Places
George Pace(2)
400 acres, James City corp.
9/1/1628
east of Isabella Pace; son of Richard Pace; Wm. Perry
Isabella Pace(1)
200 acres, James City corp.
9/20/1628
west of George Pace; wife of Richard Pace; John Smith; Burrowes; Chapman;
Richards; Dolphenby
Francis Poythress(1)
400 acres, Charles City Co.
7/13/1637
west of Woodlief; Baylyes Creek; mentioned on 5/8/1648 deed.
Francis Poythress(1)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
2/27/1636 & 7/13/1637; Baylyes Cr.; Thos. Bayly; Osborne; Hill
George Pace(2); acquired
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
8/5/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek
George Pace(2); sold
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
10/12/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek; sold to Thos. Drewe
George Pace(2)
507 acres, Charles City Co.
12/6/1652
Powell's Creek; Reedy branch
Francis Poythress(1); sold
150 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
Ardington; West; Worsham; evidently, part of 5/8/1648 was sold or leased
Richard Pace(3); sold
200 acres, Charles City Co.
2/11/1659-60
Westowne branch; Flowerdew 100 Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bland's path; sold to Wm.
Wilkins
Richard Pace(3); sold
300 acres, Charles City Co.
2/28/1659-60
Powell's Creek; Biggs; sold to Thos. Madder
John Poythress(2)
50 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/1661
son of Capt. Francis Poythress; adj. to Capt. Robt. Wynne; gift from Col.
Edward Hill
Richard Pace(3); sold
? acres, Charles City Co.
3/13/1661-2
Powells Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bucklands Island; to Richard Taylor; adj. Wm.
Wilkins
Richard Pace(3)
140 acres, Westover/Charles City Co.
1/21/1664-5
adj. Richd. Baker; Great swamp; gift from Richard Baker
Francis Poythress(2)
450 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
6/3/1665
Testimony from Capt. Robt. Wynne
Francis Poythress(2)
609 acres; Charles City Co.
9/28/1681
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood
Francis Poythress(2)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
4/20/1682
Thos. Morgan
mentions Richard Pace(3)
265 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/16/1683
Higdon; Reese; Kings Field branch; Williamsons; Blackwater path; Scotch
branch; Col. Edw. Hill
Francis Poythress(2)
1,250 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
11/20/1683
Ellis, Mumford, Batt, Woodley
mentions Richard Pace(3)
824 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
12/20/1683
Blackwater swamp; Higdon; Edmunds; Old Towne; Tanners branch; Scotch
branch; Blackwater path; Col. Edw. Hill
George Pace(3); acquired
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/20/1687
Blackwater; Wms.; Capt. Lucie; Reedy branch; Blackwater path
George Pace(3); sold
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
8/3/1687
sold to Wm. Wilkins
mentions Francis Poythress(2) & Mrs. Francis Poythress
1,254 acres, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Blackwater; Reade branch; long meadow; Ealeroot Level; Flood; Harris;
Taplie; Batts
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
1,078 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Taply; Harrison; Nicholas Whitmore
Mrs. Rebecca Poythress(2)
1,000 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/29/1692
Edw. Ardington
John Poythress(2)
350 acres, Charles City Co.
10/24/1701
Nottaway River; Umatora old fields; Indian sw.; Lee; Jones; Hix; Taylor;
Roberts. This land was willed by John Poythress(2) to his son, David Poythress,
in 1712, and sold by David, 7/16/1735, to his brother, Robert Poythress.
John Poythress(3), Jr.
609 acres; Charles City Co.
10/23/1703
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood. This land belonged
to John Poythress(3)' father, Francis Poythress, who patented the land on
9/28/1681. John received land for the transportation of Charles Bartholomew.
Rent Roll 1704:
Francis Poythress, Sr., 1,283 acres
Thos. Poythress, 616 acres
Jno. Poythress, Jr., 916 acres
George Pace, 1,000 acres
John Poythress(3), Jr.
200 acres, Charles City Co.
12/11/1704
sold 200 of 609 acres from 10/23/1703.
John Poythress(3), Sr.
600 acres, Pr. Geo. Co. & Surry Co.
6/22/1708
mentions Richard(3) Pace
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
1/11/1711
Barlow; Wilkinson; Raines
Rebecca Bartholomew(2) of Prince George Co.
1,000 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
9/10/1711
Easterly Run; path from Jordans to Blackwater; Anne Bartholomew; Rebecca
Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
John Poythress(2)
950+ acres (will), Prince George Co.
12/11/1712
Francis ? acres; David 300 acres, Tunnatorah; Joshua 300 acres,
Monkasoneck; Robt. 350 acres, Indian swamp
mentions Richard Pace(3)
100 acres, Prince George Co.
1/12/1713
Old Town Run; Goodwyn; Cargile
mentions Richard Pace(3)
150 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/14/1713
Mallory; Hatch; Biggins
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Weyanoke
50 acres, Prince George Co.
6/8/1714
Birchen swamp; Daniel; Goodwyn. From this deed, it appears that John
Poythress(3) inherited part of his gradnfather's grant. His grandfather was
David Peebles.
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
3/23/1715
Maherrin River; long meadow branch
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
180 acres, Surry Co.
3/23/1715
Nottaway River; Woodyard swamp. This land was willed in 1801 from Elizabeth
Poythress Cocke ( who received the land from her brother, John Poythress) to
Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress(3), Sr., of Westover, Prince Goerge Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/12/1715
adj. to his own property; Holly Bushes branch; Richard Pace
James Pace(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/7/1715
Caesar Walpole; Wm. Epes; Walpole; Bird; Biggins; Goodrich; Hardyman
George Pace(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
120 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
3/12/1715
sold to Ellis & Overby; West
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Stith Bolling
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Southwardly Run; Stith Bolling; Batte
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
267 acres, Surry Co.
7/15/1717
New land; Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp
mentions James Pace(4)
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
8/13/1717
Biggins; Weiks; Byrd; Hatch
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
2/10/1717-18
"High Peak"; Bailey's Creek; Parham
George Pace(5), of Prince George Co.
150 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
12/7/1717
Deep Bottom branch; Monksneck Creek; Lowe
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
285 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1718
Three Creeks; Hamilton; Pasmore; Gadde
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
adj. to his own property; sold to Richard Pace of Westover; Carter;
Crossland; Kirkland; Rosser
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
lately purchased of Richard Pace; Grammar; sold to Thos. Goodwyn
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
Richard Pace; sold to Thos. Goodwyn; Old Town run; Rosser; Goodrich;
Whitmore; Anderson
Richard Pace(4), of Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
285 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/25/1719
sold to John Bradford; Three Creeks; Pasmore; Gadde; Hamilton
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
150 acres; Prince George Co.
11/8/1720
"Powells"; Deep Bottom; sold to John Poythress, Jr.; Richard Bland; Joseph
Patterson; Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., left this land to his son, Wm.
Poythress, in 1724 will.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
92 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/14/1720
Wm. Moore
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George Co.
240 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
9/4/1720
Will of Henry Batte
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Prince George Co.
4/4/1721
adj. Joshua Poythress, Thos. Vinson
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
lease, Bristol, Prince George Co.
4/11/1721
Vinson
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
40 acres, lease, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/11/1721
adj. his own property; Adam Ivie
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
trading 267 acres for 100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/12/1721
trading with Wm. Parham; Bette; Thos. Bolling; Young, Wm. Poythress
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
10/4/1721
Powell's Creek; Hardyman's Mill; Hardyman
Ann Green(3), Burrell Green & Francis Poythress, of Surry Co.; sold
200 acres of 1,000 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Easterly Run; sold to Robt. Hunnicutt; Batts; Ardington; Rebecca Poythress;
Littlebury Eppes
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Blackwater swamp; Francis Poythress to son, John Poythress, to Gibson
Joshua Poythress(3)
333 acres, Prince George Co.
6/22/1722
New Land; Moccosoneck Creek; Wm. Jones, Jr.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch. This is the same property sold by
Thos. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
David Poythress(3), of Surry Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Nottaway River; Indian swamp
mentions John Poythress(3)
130 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
11/12/1723
Edw. Prince; Adam Ivie; Gilbert Hay; Hobbs; Capt. John Poythress; sold
lately by Mr. Peter Poythress
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
248 acres, Surry Co.
2/22/1724
New Land; Rocky Run; Stoney Creek
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
206 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Reedy branch; Butterwood swamp; Major Epes
Francis Poythress, Capt., of Prince George Co.
387 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Woodlief's branch; Beaver dam. This land went
to his son, Francis Poythress, 9/22/1739, upon his death in 1738.
John Poythress(3), Jr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
630+ acres, Will, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
8/11/1724
John 340+ acres, Colebrooks, Ivie Point, Evans Spring Bottom, Stainback's
corner, Blackwater swamp; Francis 140+ acres, Brick Chimneys, Deep Bottom,
Young, Winningham, Thos. Poythress; William 150+ acres, Lovesay, Powells. John
Poythress(3) bought Powells on 11/8/1720. John Poythress(3) possibly left lands
he bought 10/23/1703 and 7/15/1717 to his son, John Poythress(4).
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
1,220 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
11/5/1724
New Land; Three Creeks; Otterdam swamp; Indian branch; Ryers branch; Great
bridge; Roberts; Barlow
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
2/15/1725
Nottaway River; Henry & Katherine Jones (possibly parents of Peter's wife)
Joshua Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
300 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1725
Flowerdew 100; Dutchy Hills; Wilkins; Elizabeth Duke; John Taylor; John
Hardyman; Henrietta Maria Hardyman
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
2 acres, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
Walls (or Ward's) Run; Sarah Wall; Wilkins
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
sold to William Poythress of Prince George Co.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
? acres, Prince George Co.
7/12/1726
Harris Run
George Pace(5), of Carolina
674 acres, Prince George Co.
10/4/1727
Appomattox River; Monscusaneck, Wm. Short; Wm. Lowe; John Lowe
John Poythress(3), Sr., Capt., of Prince George Co.
275 acres, Brunswick Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Maherrin River; Reedy branch; Beaver Pond Creek. This is the same
land sold by Thos. Poythress, of Martins Brandon, to William Rives on 5/13/1773.
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
343 acres, Prince George Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Epes
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
3/11/1728
White oak Creek; John Fitzgerald
Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Governors Quarter branch; adj.
father's property
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
291 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Peter Wynne
mentions Robert Poythress(3)
297 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; old Beaver ponds; Robt. Glover
mentions Richard Pace(4)
Will of John Barlow, Surry Co.
10/16/1728
Otterdam swamp; Syars branch; Three Creeks; adj. Richard Pace; John Barlow
to son, Wm. Barlow
mentions Richard Pace(4)
1,200 acres, Surry Co.
3/1729
Thos. Avent; Richard Moore; Stewart; Otterdam swamp; Davis; adj. Richard
Pace
Francis Poythress, Jr.
2,000 acres
11/1/1728
Butterwood swamp; adj. his former land
William Poythress(3)
2,000 acres, Prince George Co.
5/2/1729
Tommaheton Creek
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
267 acres, Surry Co.
3/22/1732
Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp; sold to John Parrum
Thos. Poythress; lost property
180 acres, Surry Co.
9/28/1732
Nottaway River, Woodyard swamp; granted to Peter Green
mentions John Poythress(3)
50 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/28/1732
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch; Joshua Clark; adj. John Poythress
mentions Peter Poythress(3)
140 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
2/28/1733
New Land; Maherrin River; Richard Bland; John Landry; adj. Peter Poythress
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
300 acres, prob. Brunswick Co.
6/7/1733
Cow Trap branch; Ryars branch; Nathaniel Harrison; sold to Wm. Johnson
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
680 acres, prob. Brunswick Co.
6/7/1733
Three Creeks; Hubbard Carrell; Wm. Johnson; ...remaining part of 1,200...;
sold
Thos. Poythress, of Prince George Co.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Indian Quarter
William Poythress(3), gent., of Prince George Co.
1,024 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Beaver Pond
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
297 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Eppes; Clayton
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
381 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New land; Butterwood swamp; Clayton; Peter Wynn; Batts
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
382 acres, Prince George Co.
2/27/1734
Tommaheton swamp; adj. brother William Poythress
William Poythress(3), gent.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
3/24/1734
Sapponi Chapel; Stephen's branch; Notttaway River road; Robt. Bolling
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Brunswick Co.
1/10/1735
Nottaway River; Resis Jones
Robert Poythress(3)
600 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1735
Nottaway River; Indian swamp; David Poythress sold his land incl.
inheritance to brother, Robert Poythress. 350 acres were originally granted to
John Poythress(2) on 10/24/1701.
Francis Poythress
4,000 acres
12/15/1736
Butterwood swamp; incl. land already held by him.
John Poythress(3), Sr., gent.
325 acres, Brunswick Co.
3/17/1736
Maherrin River; Fountain's Creek; Great swamp; Cane branch; adj. his land;
Chappel; Duglass; Clark. This is the same property sold by Tho. Poythress to
Dawson on 7/6/1773.
mentions Joseph Poythress
700 acres, Prince George Co. & Amelia Co.
1/2/1737
Tommaheton swamp; adj. Joseph Poythress; Yorke; Batts' branch; Wm. Cryer
mentions John Poythress
250 acres, Prince George Co.
2/9/1737
Tommaheton swamp; Beaverpond; adj. John Poythress; John Michell
Francis Poythress, gent.
? acres, Prince George Co.
8/1738
John Allen
Francis Poythress, gent.
3,887 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Butterwood swamp; Cook's branch; White Oak swamp; Fitzgerald's Mill path;
Westbrook's road; Governor' branch; Eaton; incl. previous lands
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Tommaheton Creek; Beaverpond branch; Richardson; Wainwright
As with anything else that I have posted, verify everything from originals.
There might possibly be a few errors in this material.........Mike
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I don't know if the following will be of use to anyone, but here it is.
These are the only deeds that I have seen. Maybe something worthwhile can
be gleaned from them.
Name Acreage/Location
Date Names & Places
Francis Poythress(1)
400 acres, Charles City Co.
7/13/1637
west of Woodlief; Baylyes Creek; mentioned on 5/8/1648 deed.
Francis Poythress(1)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
2/27/1636 & 7/13/1637; Baylyes Cr.; Thos. Bayly; Osborne; Hill
Francis Poythress(1); sold
150 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
Ardington; West; Worsham; evidently, part of 5/8/1648 was sold or leased
John Poythress(2)
50 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/1661
son of Capt. Francis Poythress; adj. to Capt. Robt. Wynne; gift from
Col. Edward Hill
Francis Poythress(2)
450 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
6/3/1665
Testimony from Capt. Robt. Wynne
Francis Poythress(2)
609 acres; Charles City Co.
9/28/1681
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood
Francis Poythress(2)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
4/20/1682
Thos. Morgan
Francis Poythress(2)
1,250 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
11/20/1683
Ellis, Mumford, Batt, Woodley
mentions Francis Poythress(2) & Mrs. Francis Poythress
1,254 acres, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Blackwater; Reade branch; long meadow; Ealeroot Level;
Flood; Harris; Taplie; Batts
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
1,078 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Taply; Harrison; Nicholas Whitmore
Mrs. Rebecca Poythress(2)
1,000 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/29/1692
Edw. Ardington
John Poythress(2)
350 acres, Charles City Co.
10/24/1701
Nottaway River; Umatora old fields; Indian
sw.; Lee; Jones; Hix; Taylor; Roberts. This land was willed by John Poythress(2)
to his son, David Poythress, in 1712, and sold by David, 7/16/1735, to
his brother, Robert Poythress.
John Poythress(3), Jr.
609 acres; Charles City Co.
10/23/1703
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes;
Capt. Lucie; Flood. This land belonged to John Poythress(3)' father, Francis
Poythress, who patented the land on 9/28/1681. John received land for the
transportation of Charles Bartholomew.
Rent Roll 1704:
Francis Poythress, Sr., 1,283 acres
Thos. Poythress, 616 acres
Jno. Poythress, Jr., 916 acres
John Poythress(3), Jr.
200 acres, Charles City Co.
12/11/1704
sold 200 of 609 acres from 10/23/1703.
John Poythress(3), Sr.
600 acres, Pr. Geo. Co. & Surry Co.
6/22/1708
Rebecca Bartholomew(2) of Prince George Co.
1,000 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
9/10/1711
Easterly Run; path from Jordans
to Blackwater; Anne Bartholomew; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
John Poythress(2)
950+ acres (will), Prince George Co.
12/11/1712
Francis ? acres; David 300 acres, Tunnatorah; Joshua 300 acres, Monkasoneck;
Robt. 350 acres, Indian swamp
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Weyanoke
50 acres, Prince George Co.
6/8/1714
Birchen swamp; Daniel; Goodwyn. From
this deed, it appears that John Poythress(3) inherited part of his gradnfather's
grant. His grandfather was David Peebles.
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
3/23/1715
Maherrin River; long meadow branch
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
180 acres, Surry Co.
3/23/1715
Nottaway River; Woodyard
swamp. This land was willed in 1801 from Elizabeth Poythress Cocke ( who
received the land from her brother, John Poythress) to Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress(3), Sr., of Westover, Prince George Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/12/1715
adj. to his own property; Holly Bushes branch; Richard Pace
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Stith Bolling
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Southwardly Run; Stith Bolling; Batte
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
267 acres, Surry Co.
7/15/1717
New land; Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
2/10/1717-18
"High Peak"; Bailey's Creek; Parham
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
adj. to his own property; sold to Richard Pace of Westover; Carter;
Crossland; Kirkland; Rosser
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
lately purchased of Richard Pace; Grammar; sold to Thos. Goodwyn
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
Richard Pace; sold to Thos. Goodwyn; Old
Town run; Rosser; Goodrich; Whitmore; Anderson
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
150 acres; Prince George Co.
11/8/1720
"Powells"; Deep Bottom;
sold to John Poythress, Jr.; Richard Bland; Joseph Patterson; Thomas Poythress.
John Poythress, Jr., left this land to his son, Wm. Poythress, in 1724
will.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
92 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/14/1720
Wm. Moore
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George Co.
240 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
9/4/1720
Will of Henry Batte
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Prince George Co.
4/4/1721
adj. Joshua Poythress, Thos. Vinson
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
lease, Bristol, Prince George Co.
4/11/1721
Vinson
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
40 acres, lease, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/11/1721
adj. his own property; Adam Ivie
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
trading 267 acres for 100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/12/1721
trading with Wm. Parham; Bette; Thos. Bolling; Young, Wm. Poythress
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
10/4/1721
Powell's Creek; Hardyman's Mill; Hardyman
Ann Green(3), Burrell Green & Francis Poythress, of Surry Co.; sold
200 acres of 1,000 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Easterly Run; sold to Robt. Hunnicutt; Batts; Ardington; Rebecca
Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Blackwater swamp; Francis Poythress to son, John Poythress, to Gibson
Joshua Poythress(3)
333 acres, Prince George Co.
6/22/1722
New Land; Moccosoneck Creek; Wm. Jones, Jr.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch.
This is the same property sold by Thos. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
David Poythress(3), of Surry Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Nottaway River; Indian swamp
mentions John Poythress(3)
130 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
11/12/1723
Edw. Prince; Adam Ivie; Gilbert Hay; Hobbs; Capt. John Poythress; sold
lately by Mr. Peter Poythress
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
248 acres, Surry Co.
2/22/1724
New Land; Rocky Run; Stoney Creek
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
206 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Reedy branch; Butterwood swamp; Major Epes
Francis Poythress, Capt., of Prince George Co.
387 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Woodlief's
branch; Beaver dam. This land went to his son, Francis Poythress, 9/22/1739,
upon his death in 1738.
John Poythress(3), Jr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
630+ acres, Will, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
8/11/1724
John 340+ acres, Colebrooks, Ivie Point, Evans
Spring Bottom, Stainback's corner, Blackwater swamp; Francis 140+ acres,
Brick Chimneys, Deep Bottom, Young, Winningham, Thos. Poythress; William
150+ acres, Lovesay, Powells. John Poythress(3) bought Powells on 11/8/1720.
John Poythress(3) possibly left lands he bought 10/23/1703 and 7/15/1717
to his son, John Poythress(4).
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
2/15/1725
Nottaway River; Henry & Katherine Jones (possibly parents of Peter's wife)
Joshua Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
300 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1725
Flowerdew 100; Dutchy Hills; Wilkins;
Elizabeth Duke; John Taylor; John Hardyman; Henrietta Maria Hardyman
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
2 acres, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
Walls (or Ward's) Run; Sarah Wall; Wilkins
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
sold to William Poythress of Prince George Co.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
? acres, Prince George Co.
7/12/1726
Harris Run
John Poythress(3), Sr., Capt., of Prince George Co.
275 acres, Brunswick Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Maherrin River; Reedy branch; Beaver Pond Creek. This is
the same land sold by Thos. Poythress, of Martins Brandon, to William Rives
on 5/13/1773.
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
343 acres, Prince George Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Epes
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
3/11/1728
White oak Creek; John Fitzgerald
Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Governors Quarter
branch; adj. father's property
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
291 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Peter Wynne
mentions Robert Poythress(3)
297 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; old Beaver ponds; Robt. Glover
Francis Poythress, Jr.
2,000 acres
11/1/1728
Butterwood swamp; adj. his former land
William Poythress(3)
2,000 acres, Prince George Co.
5/2/1729
Tommaheton Creek
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
267 acres, Surry Co.
3/22/1732
Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp; sold to John Parrum
Thos. Poythress; lost property
180 acres, Surry Co.
9/28/1732
Nottaway River, Woodyard swamp; granted to Peter Green
mentions John Poythress(3)
50 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/28/1732
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch; Joshua Clark; adj. John Poythress
mentions Peter Poythress(3)
140 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
2/28/1733
New Land; Maherrin River; Richard Bland; John Landry; adj. Peter Poythress
Thos. Poythress, of Prince George Co.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Indian Quarter
William Poythress(3), gent., of Prince George Co.
1,024 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Beaver Pond
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
297 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Eppes; Clayton
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
381 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New land; Butterwood swamp; Clayton; Peter Wynn; Batts
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
382 acres, Prince George Co.
2/27/1734
Tommaheton swamp; adj. brother William Poythress
William Poythress(3), gent.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
3/24/1734
Sapponi Chapel; Stephen's branch; Notttaway River road; Robt. Bolling
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Brunswick Co.
1/10/1735
Nottaway River; Resis Jones
Robert Poythress(3)
600 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1735
Nottaway River; Indian swamp; David
Poythress sold his land incl. inheritance to brother, Robert Poythress.
350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress(2) on 10/24/1701.
Francis Poythress
4,000 acres
12/15/1736
Butterwood swamp; incl. land already held by him.
John Poythress(3), Sr., gent.
325 acres, Brunswick Co.
3/17/1736
Maherrin River; Fountain's Creek; Great swamp; Cane branch; adj. his
land; Chappel; Duglass; Clark. This is the same property sold by Tho. Poythress
to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
mentions Joseph Poythress
700 acres, Prince George Co. & Amelia Co.
1/2/1737
Tommaheton swamp; adj. Joseph Poythress; Yorke; Batts' branch; Wm. Cryer
mentions John Poythress
250 acres, Prince George Co.
2/9/1737
Tommaheton swamp; Beaverpond; adj. John Poythress; John Michell
Francis Poythress, gent.
? acres, Prince George Co.
8/1738
John Allen
Francis Poythress, gent.
3,887 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Butterwood swamp; Cook's branch; White Oak
swamp; Fitzgerald's Mill path; Westbrook's road; Governor' branch; Eaton;
incl. previous lands
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Tommaheton Creek; Beaverpond branch; Richardson; Wainwright
If any errors are noted, please let me know. If anything
of significance is learned, please let me know that also. Eventually, maybe
we can nail this family down......Mike
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Barry Wetherington
05/15/2004 8:46:15
Re: Poythress to Pierce, Pearce, Peirce surname?
Michael Tutor
I've seen the Pierce name but am not aware of any changes from Poythress to
Pierce.........Mike
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Subject: Poythress to Pierce, Pearce, Peirce surname?
> Does anyone know if any of their POYTHRESS lines changed thier surname to
> PIERCE or any other variation of the name??
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> Meg
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05/16/2004 1:19:21
Poythress Past Portals...1700s - 1800
Some of you on the list might find it interesting to search the Colonial
Williamsburg site for our Poythress family. It includes many historical reports
but also original images of the "Virginia Gazette".
The address is: http://www.pastportal.com/
Use the search offer...type in Poythress...next screen... click
submit...results page just click on the blue highlighted hits. You can use the search and
find on each page. The Virginia Gazette can take a few seconds to load.
Enjoy.
Mary Jean
05/16/2004 9:34:02
Poythress to Pierce, Pearce, Peirce surname?
Does anyone know if any of their POYTHRESS lines changed thier surname to
PIERCE or any other variation of the name??
Meg
05/16/2004 10:56:38
RE: Thomas Poythress question
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean, I'm delighted (as others are I'm sure) to have your
participation on the Poythress wire (the Williamsburg link). We have a
number of allied families represented and your Claibornes may not be a
stranger at all. Since you contacted me by myself a few days back on a
Claiborne connection, I'm going to copy a recent dialogue between Mike
Tutor and me just to get it "on the board" for you mainly but to all who
are (or may become) interested up to speed.
Mike Tutor:
I noticed that Dorman, in Volume I of the 4th edition of Adventurers of
Purse and Person, makes Elizabeth Cocke, daughter of James Cocke and
Elizabeth Pleasants, the wife of Robert Poythress, not Thomas Poythress.
I also noticed that a daughter of Francis Poythress and Hannah
Ravenscroft married a Claiborne and they moved to Georgia. Is this new
news or old news? Any new comments?.............Mike (MP: on
reflection, I think not. This is likely the WIDOW of a Francis Poythress
and I can't comment on the move to GA.)
Maynard to Mike:
I see the Hannah Ravenscroft reference (p. 190) in Dorman Ed. # 3.
Marrying a Claiborne and moving to GA is a new one to me. I do have a
Francis P. who shows in Greene County, GA very, very early and I've been
looking for a link to him. Unfortunately, his name would have been
Claiborne so that's no clue. Is it Dorman now saying this in Ed. 4?
There are Claiborne connections but I have never seen the name connected
to the Poythress people outside of VA.
Added: Further, I would not doubt the existence of this Claibornes in
GA as I have not specifically looked for Claibornes in GA. However, I
would make the odds of a GA Poythress male linked to Claiborne as
slight. I've been working that ground for many, many years.
And now your questions, Mary Jean, which I will answer probably without
much "hard evidence" enlightenment (your nice compliment notwithstanding ). No doubt others may have a contribution.
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:09 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Thomas Poythress question
John,
I am still working on my connection to the Poythress line via a
Claiborne and find I can't put these families together properly. Can
you tell me who the father was of
the Joshua Poythress who died in 1717 per court records with ex of John
Poythress?
Also I can't seem to find who was the father of Thomas Poythress who is
mentioned as brother to John Poythress with will of 1724 or John
Poythress with will of 1712 - all in Prince George County.
Please forgive my intrusion but I feel you are so knowledgeable that
perhaps you can again graciously assist me.
Thank you.
Regards,
Mary Jean Zimmerman
So to answer the questions above (or more specifically, to perhaps NOT
answer the questions above) I'll offer these comments inviting
corrections from "the wire." As a prefacing comment, it is extremely
difficult to get one's mind around any of these folks without a copy of
the "Chart of Poythress Family in Virginia" by R. Bolling Batte. The
chart itself (with accompanying text) has been transcribed and enhanced
from Mr. Batte's other data by list member Diana Diamond. The text can
be found at:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=va_families ...
with Diana's introductory paragraphs explaining Batte's work. But
having the chart in hand makes it easy to track.
If you will send me your snail mail privately I'll be pleased to put you
a copy of this 14 x 8 1//2 chart in the mail (and also to anyone else
who wants and doesn't have one. Even if one is not interested in
Poythresses per se, this is a handy work...the generations following the
immigrant Francis (arrived VA 1632) married into what is seemingly just
about every other family in Prince George County.
So, I'll take your "guys" one at a time and speculate as follows:
JOSHUA POYTHRESS d. 1717
As you point out, we seem to only know about him from court records,
specifically the PG Court Orders of 1714-1720:
P. 239
13 Aug 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against
Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythres surviving excr
of the Last Will and Testatment of Joshua Poythres dced. Thomas Simmons,
SubSherriff Oath to the service of the Writ and charged Poythres and he
failing to appear an attachment is granted the complaintant against the
Body of the said Poythres returnable to the next Court and it is ordered
that said summons is also against the said Offley returnable to the next
Court.
To my knowledge the will mentioned has not survived. By elimination I
speculate that Joshua is possibly a hitherto unknown son of Francis
Poythress (2) m. Rebecca Coggin. Some postings on the net specify a
Joshua as a son of the immigrant Francis (1) but they offer no proof and
little rationale. It's certainly possible that there could have been a
Joshua son of Francis (1) b. 1609 but he would be a late in life child
to be dying in 1717. More importantly, there is just no evidence to
suggest this Joshua as a son of Francis (1)..although granted there is
no evidence to suggest him a son of Francis (2) either, there just
doesn't seem to me to be any other place to put him.
This Joshua would be unknown to Batte who neither charted him nor had a
biographical card for him. Batte does identify a John (1688-1724) who
could have been the brother John identified as Joshua's executor and
John would have been alive in 1717.
I eliminate other Francis (1) siblings as potential parents of this
Joshua thusly: Jane would not have had a son named Poythress in any
case, Thomas shipped (or was shipped) back to England, and John (Batte #
2) had his own son Joshua who clearly appears to be the Joshua who dies
in 1740 and leaves a will clearly identifying spouse, siblings and
descendents. This one is something of a leap for us but for the
moment I can't envision it any other way.
JOHN POYTHRESS d. abt. 1724
Having above gone out on a limb without Mr. Batte's support I'll now
lean on him "continuing the line above." Francis Poythress (2) did
indeed have a son John Poythress (1688-1724) who is Batte card # 88 (all
of these 8 x 5 cards are digitalized on the Library of Virginia site
along with others for a total of about 35M colonial Virginians). Batte
says he had a first cousin Joshua (Batte 211) with a wife also named
Mary which fits. The "enhanced" Batte chart accounts for all the
siblings, children and wife. Batte references the 1724 will of this
John (referred to as "Jr." unaccountably..but perhaps only as the second
living of that name, a not uncommon practice) so he obviously had these
people accounted for. The only further reference to this John's brother
Thomas (card # 174) is to cite his dates as 1683-1750 and m. Elizabeth
Pleasants Cocke. Mr. Battle must have changed his mind about the
marriage as he has this fact lined out.
A couple of parenthetical points about this will and its people.
a) reference is made to a son Francis. Batte makes him 1707-1738,
an early death consistent with his widow Hannah Ravenscroft later
becoming Mrs. Bernard Claiborne which is an interest of yours.
b) I would dearly love to find the son Thomas (1683-1750) with a
Thomas Jr. b. about 1740 moving to Dinwiddie or
preferably Brunswick County for he would be a definite "possible"
to move to Burke County, GA in 1775 and be in my
direct line as well as that of many of us.
JOHN POYTHRESS d. 1712
We are with a good deal of certainty now out of the line of Francis (2)
and over into the line of his sibling John who is a son of the immigrant
Francis (1). This John is Batte 26 and he has numerous children by wife
Christian Peebles. It is probable that Mr. Batte did not have this will
when he constructed his chart as he omits John's oldest son Francis (3)
who is cited as the first legatee in the will. However, Batte and the
will are in remarkable agreement..and there is much to agree over. Mary
Jean, I think this one is about as certain as one can be on a matter of
this family. And I would further speculate that the Claiborne
connection exists in the line of Francis (2) for purposes of this query.
I wish you the best of luck in this line as anything you can find would
be of very great interest to me and a number of others on the wire.
I'll certainly welcome comments from anyone on this line of speculation
and would ask that the "conversation" continue via the Poythress webpage
so all can be tuned in and have a chance to contribute.
Many thanks,
Maynard
05/17/2004 5:01:16
RE: Poythress Past Portals...1700s - 1800
John M. Poythress
That's a great site, Mary Jean, thanks for pointing it out.
I still have on my list a project to make a Poythress-specific paper. I
paid a kid at W&M to photocopy all the Poythress articles/advertisements
which I planned to scan into a PDF document that would index the entries
and have two parts to each entry....the original copy and a "rendering"
in modern English. Al Tims suggested that in the process I should
specifically identify each Poythress listed. While that idea was
wonderful and I thought highly of it, it had the net effect of stopping
me in my tracks.
In the meanwhile, that site will suffice nicely. Thanks again.
Maynard
05/17/2004 5:23:50
Ferreting out genealogy sources
koswcartist
Saw this on May 15th 2004 roots-l digest v4 #253
Regarding that company that advertises t
Yeah, I got the Halbert's version many years ago. This "Morphcorp"
version is exactly the same thing - updated.
There's a good listing of genealogy scams at
http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame/ to look at BEFORE you fall for this
one. Be sure to pass it along to your unsuspecting relatives and friends who
will probably try to do you "a favor" by getting you one or letting you know
about this "great opportunity".
05/19/2004 3:18:01
Re: Thomas Poythress question
Thank you Maynard and Mike as well for all your help and assistance. I am
pursuing several leads but all seem to indicate that some widow of a Poythress
married into this Claiborne family. The problem being identifying which
Claiborne and which Poythress wife. The one common denominator is the name
Ravenscroft. All these families were in early Virginia before 1700 and certainly
afterwards.
I will address your comments regarding the Poythress families with Francis,
John etc in a later email. Thanks much again.
Mary Jean
PS Regarding Georgia ~ Have you seen this book?
Georgia Governor and Council Journals 1768-1771
Abstracted by Mary Bondurant Warren and Jack Moreland Jones
Leonard Claiborne is listed in it several times regarding land grants in the
period of 1769 ... around that early Wilkes/ Warren Co area of Georgia. So
perhaps Dorman is correct, and it would seem likely that he would have married
in VA prior to coming to Georgia.
05/19/2004 9:22:39
5/20/04
Michael Tutor
(1) A couple of times now, I have seen where John Poythress and Mary Batte were listed as having been childless. (2) I've also wondered whether there were really two Thomases during that time, or not. (3) Dorman in the 4th edition, says that Elizabeth Cocke was married to Robert Poythress.... It's really looking like Dorman may be right. (4) Robert was married to an Elizabeth. If, we could take this to the bank, it makes things a little bit easier, if that's possible.....Now, I'm wondering about the Elizabeth Poythress Cocke that left a will in 1801 mentioning the Woodyard swamp and her brother John Poythress. I'm beginning to think that this Elizabeth and her brother, John Poythress, were the children of John Poythress, Jr. If this is the case, Elizabeth's brother, John Poythress, got the land (with Woodyard's swamp) after 1732 when his brother, Thomas Poythress, lost the land to Peter Green. If these things are as I have quoted, we, in essence, are drawing a cinch around t!
he family, somewhat......Just thought I'd give you all a little bit to chew on......Any thoughts?..............Mike
05/20/2004 3:44:43
Joshua d. 1717...who is he?
John M. Poythress
Sharing below for the group's information an exchange between Diana and
me of a few days ago.
Almost regardless of whether the answer is option A or option B (or even
yet another option), I think the answer holds GREAT significance for us.
Even if Batte is only half right that the line of John (RBB1) dies out
and that all we living descendents (with the surname now or as a maiden
name) are "probably" in the Francis (RBB4) line, then this question is
meaningful for us: this Joshua appears to be either a) IN "our" Francis
(RBB4) line OR b) an entirely new line with complications of its own.
Any takers for comments?
Maynard
P. S. Barbara: you asked for a copy of the RBB chart and I lost my file.
It seems the only copy I can hang onto is the one underneath the plastic
cover on my desk. I'll run up to Kinko's and get a copy made. While
I'm at it, anyone else need a copy and I'll do 'em all at once. The
"needy" can email me direct to keep the board clean and if you aren't
sure I have your snail mail adds please include it. I'm referring to
the "new" chart on which Diana added what amounts to four generations of
the missing "Part B" (the Francis line) "constructed" from Batte's
actual 8 x 5 cards. MP
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:35 AM
To: Diana Diamond
Subject: Your take?
PG Court Orders 1714-1720 (on the web site):
P. 239
13 Aug 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against
Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythres surviving excr
of the Last Will and Testatment of Joshua Poythres dced. Thomas Simmons,
SubSherriff Oath to the service of the Writ and charged Poythres and he
failing to appear an attachment is granted the complaintant against the
Body of the said Poythres returnable to the next Court and it is ordered
that said summons is also against the said Offley returnable to the next
Court.
So, who is this Joshua? I lean to option A but can you rule out option
B? Or, for that matter, could you even accept option A?
A-
He is a hitherto unidentified son of Francis (RBB4). "John" is a
brother because he doesn't have a son named John (that's sort of
difficult to say since we didn't even account for Joshua until now in
the first place). All the other Joshuas seem to be in the John (RBB2)
line and they clearly aren't this man. (Parenthetically, another Joshua
appears in the same 1714-1724 Order book clearly alive post-1717 for
several entries and I'm clearly not ready to stretch my mind around
identifying him..could he be RBB21?..no way)
I would make this Joshua the brother of John (RBB/DPD-DC)..all the
legatees in this John's 1724 will line up so neatly one would suspect
this might be where RBB filled in card # 89 since he abstracts the will
on the card. However, Batte pointing out on card # 88 that John had a
cousin John (presumably RBB26) with a wife also named Mary (Batte?)
appears to be come by elsewhere.
B-
This Joshua is a hitherto unidentified son of Francis (RBB-0). I've
seen that proposition (not stated overtly but tucked into a gedcom line)
half dozen times on line but that's not enough to be "smoke"...there are
just too many Joshua errors as for example those that show a Joshua m.
_____ Peachy as father of Francis back in Gloustershire. Plus, there
are just too many people filling out Pocahontas charts that one has to
suspect a lot of "copycatting" for people that were seeming to
themselves to only be casually filling in some peripheral names.
A guy dying in 1717 having a father born in 1609 (at the latest) is
something of a stretch. However, note that his presumed son John dies
in 1724, only 7 years after his father in scenario A. That would at
least hint that IF John is an old man when he dies in 1724 then his
father dying in 1717 MIGHT be even older. Old enough to be a son of
Francis (0)? Nah..not really.
Lastly, I suppose, is that we are certainly shakier on Francis (RBB-0)'s
offspring than we are on those of Francis (D)...so if this Joshua was
just "overlooked" which generation is he likelier to be overlooked
"from"?
I'm just positive you have a factoid or two tucked away that's gonna
clear this one up!!! Or even present option C.
MP
Diana:
I can contribute only the negatives. I can find no mention of the
Offley (O'Berry group) in question, or the Anderson in question in the
Batte cards, but Batte does have Andersons and Offleys, so it it was
worth a look.
I don't find any of the documents listed in the Poythress cards either,
at least not the Joshua's and the John's.
I think both your points have merit, and it's clear there are a lot of
Poythresses out there that aren't in the Batte universe. Some people
say Francis the immigrant's father was a Joshua, and there is always the
possibility that Francis had a brother who immigrated with him. This
type of thing (brothers coming together) happened a lot. as you know.
I remind you of the Poythress's Batte does have family fragments who
will not show up in any overall register.
Below is the same chart I sent last week. Found a few mistakes and typos. This chart contains the changes to the singular Poythress chart and the Poythress/Pace chart. Hopefully, all is up to date now.
Name Acreage/Location Date Names & Places
George Pace(2)
400 acres, James City corp.
9/1/1628
east of Isabella Pace; son of Richard Pace; Wm. Perry
Isabella Pace(1)
200 acres, James City corp.
9/20/1628
west of George Pace; wife of Richard Pace; John Smith; Burrowes; Chapman; Richards; Dolphenby
Francis Poythress(1)
400 acres, Charles City Co.
7/13/1637
west of Woodlief; Baylyes Creek; mentioned on 5/8/1648 deed.
Francis Poythress(1)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
2/27/1636 & 7/13/1637; Baylyes Cr.; Thos. Bayly; Osborne; Hill
George Pace(2); acquired
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
8/5/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek
George Pace(2); sold
1,700 acres, Charles City Co.
10/12/1650
"Matocks"; Pierce's 100; Powell's Creek; sold to Thos. Drewe
George Pace(2)
507 acres, Charles City Co.
12/6/1652
Powell's Creek; Reedy branch
Francis Poythress(1); sold
150 acres, Charles City Co.
5/8/1648
Ardington; West; Worsham; evidently, part of 5/8/1648 was sold or leased
Richard Pace(3); sold
200 acres, Charles City Co.
2/11/1659-60
Westowne branch; Flowerdew 100 Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bland's path; sold to Wm. Wilkins
Richard Pace(3); sold
300 acres, Charles City Co.
2/28/1659-60
Powell's Creek; Biggs; sold to Thos. Madder
John Poythress(2)
50 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/1661
son of Capt. Francis Poythress; adj. to Capt. Robt. Wynne; gift from Col. Edward Hill
Richard Pace(3); sold
? acres, Charles City Co.
3/13/1661-2
Powells Cr.; Reedy Bottom; Bucklands Island; to Richard Taylor; adj. Wm. Wilkins
Richard Pace(3)
140 acres, Westover/Charles City Co.
1/21/1664-5
adj. Richd. Baker; Great swamp; gift from Richard Baker
Francis Poythress(2)
450 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
6/3/1665
Testimony from Capt. Robt. Wynne
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
888 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/20/1680
adj. Francis Poythress; transportation of Nicholas Whitmore; John Williams; Wm. Edmonds; Gilbert Hay; Chenye; Bland's Neck
Francis Poythress(2)
609 acres; Charles City Co.
9/28/1681
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood
Francis Poythress(2)
750 acres, Charles City Co.
4/20/1682
Thos. Morgan
mentions Richard Pace(4)
265 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/16/1683
Higdon; Reese; Kings Field branch; Williamsons; Blackwater path; Scotch branch; Col. Edw. Hill
Francis Poythress(2)
1,250 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
11/20/1683
Ellis, Mumford, Batt, Woodley
mentions Richard Pace(4)
824 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
12/20/1683
Blackwater swamp; John Williams; Higdon; Edmunds; Old Towne; Tanners branch; Scotch branch; Blackwater path; Col. Edw. Hill
George Pace(4); acquired
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/20/1687
Blackwater; John Williams; Capt. Lucie; Reedy branch; Blackwater path
George Pace(4); sold
600 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
8/3/1687
sold to Wm. Wilkins
mentions Francis Poythress(2) & Mrs. Francis Poythress
1,254 acres, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Blackwater; Reade branch; long meadow; Ealeroot Level; Flood; Harris; Taplie; Batts
mentions Francis Poythress(2)
1,078 acres, Jordans, Charles City Co.
4/21/1690
Taply; Harrison; Nicholas Whitmore
Mrs. Rebecca Poythress(2)
1,000 acres, Westover, Charles City Co.
4/29/1692
Edw. Ardington
John Poythress(2)
350 acres, Charles City Co.
10/24/1701
Nottaway River; Umatora old fields; Indian sw.; Lee; Jones; Hix; Taylor; Roberts. This land was willed by John Poythress(2) to his son, David Poythress, in 1712, and sold by David, 7/16/1735, to his brother, Robert Poythress.
John Poythress(3), Jr.
609 acres; Charles City Co.
10/23/1703
Blackwater; Nottaway path; Townes; Capt. Lucie; Flood. This land belonged to John Poythress(3)' father, Francis Poythress, who patented the land on 9/28/1681. John received land for the transportation of Charles Bartholomew.
Rent Roll 1704:
Francis Poythress, Sr., 1,283 acres
Thos. Poythress, 616 acres
Jno. Poythress, Jr., 916 acres
George Pace, 1,000 acres
John Poythress(3), Jr.
200 acres, Charles City Co.
12/11/1704
sold 200 of 609 acres from 10/23/1703.
John Poythress(3), Sr.
600 acres, Pr. Geo. Co. & Surry Co.
6/22/1708
mentions Richard(4) Pace
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
1/11/1711
Barlow; Wilkinson; Raines
Rebecca Bartholomew(2) of Prince George Co.
1,000 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
9/10/1711
Easterly Run; path from Jordans to Blackwater; Anne Bartholomew; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
John Poythress(2)
950+ acres (will), Prince George Co.
12/11/1712
Francis ? acres; David 300 acres, Tunnatorah; Joshua 300 acres, Monkasoneck; Robt. 350 acres, Indian swamp
mentions Richard Pace(4)
100 acres, Prince George Co.
1/12/1713
Old Town Run; Goodwyn; Cargile
mentions Richard Pace(4)
150 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/14/1713
Mallory; Hatch; Biggins
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Weyanoke
50 acres, Prince George Co.
6/8/1714
Birchen swamp; Daniel; Goodwyn. From this deed, it appears that John Poythress(3) inherited part of his grandfather's grant. His grandfather was David Peebles.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
3/23/1715
Maherrin River; long meadow branch
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
180 acres, Surry Co.
3/23/1715
Nottaway River; Woodyard swamp. This land was willed in 1801 from Elizabeth Poythress Cocke ( who received the land from her brother, John Poythress) to Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress(3), Sr., of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
7/12/1715
adj. to his own property; Holly Bushes branch; Richard Pace; sold to Grammar
James Pace(4), of Westover, Prince George Co.
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/7/1715
Caesar Walpole; Wm. Epes; Walpole; Bird; Biggins; Goodrich; Hardyman
George Pace(4), of Prince George Co.; sold
120 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
3/12/1715
sold to Ellis & Overby; West
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Stith Bolling
Robert Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.
500 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
5/9/1717
Southwardly Run; Stith Bolling; Batte
John Poythress, of Prince George Co.
267 acres, Surry Co.
7/15/1717
New land; Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp
mentions James Pace(4)
50 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
8/13/1717
Biggins; Weiks; Byrd; Hatch
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
2/10/1717-18
"High Peak"; Bailey's Creek; Parham
George Pace(5), of Prince George Co.
150 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
12/7/1717
Deep Bottom branch; Monksneck Creek; Lowe
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
285 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1718
Three Creeks; Hamilton; Pasmore; Gadde
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
adj. to his own property; sold to Richard Pace of Westover; Carter; Crossland; Kirkland; Rosser
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
lately purchased of Richard Pace; Grammar; sold to Thos. Goodwyn
Francis Poythress(3), of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
400 acres, Westover, Prince George Co.
11/11/1718
Richard Pace; sold to Thos. Goodwyn; Old Town run; Rosser; Goodrich; Whitmore; Anderson
Richard Pace(4), of Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
285 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/25/1719
sold to John Bradford; Three Creeks; Pasmore; Gadde; Hamilton
Francis Poythress(3), the Elder, of Westover, Prince George Co.; sold
150 acres; Prince George Co.
11/8/1720
"Powells"; Deep Bottom; sold to John Poythress, Jr.; Richard Bland; Joseph Patterson; Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., left this land to his son, Wm. Poythress, in 1724 will.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
92 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
2/14/1720
Wm. Moore
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George Co.
240 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
9/4/1720
Will of Henry Batte
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Prince George Co.
4/4/1721
adj. Joshua Poythress, Thos. Vinson
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
lease, Bristol, Prince George Co.
4/11/1721
Vinson
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
40 acres, lease, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/11/1721
adj. his own property; Adam Ivie
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
trading 267 acres for 100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
9/12/1721
trading with Wm. Parham; Bette; Thos. Bolling; Young, Wm. Poythress
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
100 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
10/4/1721
Powell's Creek; Hardyman's Mill; Hardyman
Ann Green(3), Burrell Green & Francis Poythress, of Surry Co.; sold
200 acres of 1,000 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Easterly Run; sold to Robt. Hunnicutt; Batts; Ardington; Rebecca Poythress; Littlebury Eppes
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
12/11/1721
Blackwater swamp; Francis Poythress to son, John Poythress, to Gibson
Joshua Poythress(3)
333 acres, Prince George Co.
6/22/1722
New Land; Moccosoneck Creek; Wm. Jones, Jr.
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch. This is the same property sold by Thos. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
David Poythress(3), of Surry Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
9/5/1723
New Land; Nottaway River; Indian swamp
mentions John Poythress(3), Jr.
130 acres, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
12/16/1723
Edw. Prince; Adam Ivie; Gilbert Hay; Hobbs; Capt. John Poythress; sold lately by Mr. Peter Poythress
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George Co.
248 acres, Surry Co.
2/22/1724
New Land; Rocky Run; Stoney Creek
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
206 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Reedy branch; Butterwood swamp; Major Epes
Francis Poythress, Capt., of Prince George Co.
387 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1724
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Woodlief's branch; Beaver dam. This land went to his son, Francis Poythress, 9/22/1739, upon his death in 1738.
John Poythress(3), Jr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
630+ acres, Will, Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
8/11/1724
John 340+ acres, Colebrooks, Ivie Point, Evans Spring Bottom, Stainback's corner, Blackwater swamp; Francis 140+ acres, Brick Chimneys, Deep Bottom, Young, Winningham, Thos. Poythress; William 150+ acres, Lovesay, Powells. John Poythress(3) bought Powells on 11/8/1720. John Poythress(3) possibly left lands he bought 10/23/1703 and 7/15/1717 to his son, John Poythress(4).
Richard Pace(4), of Surry Co.
1,220 acres, Lawnes Creek, Surry Co.
11/5/1724
New Land; Three Creeks; Otterdam swamp; Indian branch; Ryers branch; Great bridge; Roberts; Barlow
Peter Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
250 acres, Surry Co.
2/15/1725
Nottaway River; Henry & Katherine Jones (possibly parents of Peter's wife)
Joshua Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
300 acres, Prince George Co.
7/9/1725
Flowerdew 100; Dutchy Hills; Wilkins; Elizabeth Duke; John Taylor; John Hardyman; Henrietta Maria Hardyman
John Poythress(3), Sr., of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
2 acres, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
Walls (or Ward's) Run; Sarah Wall; Wilkins
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
100 acres, Bristol, Prince George Co.
7/11/1725
sold to William Poythress of Prince George Co.
Peter Poythress(3), of Martins Brandon, Prince George Co.
? acres, Prince George Co.
7/12/1726
Harris Run
George Pace(5), of Carolina; sold
674 acres, Prince George Co.
10/4/1727
Appomattox River; Monscusaneck, sold to Wm. Short; Wm. Lowe; John Lowe
John Poythress(3), Sr., Capt., of Prince George Co.
275 acres, Brunswick Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Maherrin River; Reedy branch; Beaver Pond Creek. This is the same land sold by Thos. Poythress, of Martins Brandon, to William Rives on 5/13/1773.
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
343 acres, Prince George Co.
10/13/1727
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Epes
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
3/11/1728
White oak Creek; John Fitzgerald
Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George Co.
200 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Governors Quarter branch; adj. father's property
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
291 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Beaver Pond; Peter Wynne
mentions Robert Poythress(3)
297 acres, Prince George Co.
9/28/1728
New Land; Butterwood swamp; old Beaver ponds; Robt. Glover
mentions Richard Pace(4)
Will of John Barlow, Surry Co.
10/16/1728
Otterdam swamp; Ryars branch; Three Creeks; adj. Richard Pace; John Barlow to son, Wm. Barlow
mentions Richard Pace(4)
1,200 acres, Surry Co.
3/1729
Thos. Avent; Richard Moore; Stewart; Otterdam swamp; Davis; adj. Richard Pace
Francis Poythress, Jr.
2,000 acres
11/1/1728
Butterwood swamp; adj. his former land
William Poythress(3)
2,000 acres, Prince George Co.
5/2/1729
Tommaheton Creek
Robert Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.; sold
267 acres, Surry Co.
3/22/1732
Blackwater; Indian swamp; Beaver Pond swamp; sold to John Parrum
Thos. Poythress; lost property
180 acres, Surry Co.
9/28/1732
Nottaway River, Woodyard swamp; granted to Peter Green
mentions John Poythress(3), Sr.
50 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
9/28/1732
New Land; Maherrin River; Cane branch; Joshua Clark; adj. John Poythress
mentions Peter Poythress(3)
140 acres, Isle of Wight Co.
2/28/1733
New Land; Maherrin River; Richard Bland; John Landry; adj. Peter Poythress
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
300 acres, Surry Co.
6/7/1733
Cow Trap branch; Ryars branch; Nathaniel Harrison; sold to Wm. Johnson
Richard Pace(4), of Bertie Prec., N.C.; sold
680 acres, Surry Co.
6/7/1733
Three Creeks; Hubbard Carrell; Wm. Johnson; ...remaining part of 1,200...; sold
Thos. Poythress, of Prince George Co.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Indian Quarter
William Poythress(3), gent., of Prince George Co.
1,024 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Tommaheton swamp; Beaver Pond
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
297 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New Land; Butterwood swamp; Reedy branch; Eppes; Clayton
William Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
381 acres, Prince George Co.
6/20/1733
New land; Butterwood swamp; Clayton; Peter Wynn; Batts
Joshua Poythress(3), of Prince George Co.
382 acres, Prince George Co.
2/27/1734
Tommaheton swamp; adj. brother William Poythress
William Poythress(3), gent.
400 acres, Prince George Co.
3/24/1734
Sapponi Chapel; Stephen's branch; Notttaway River road; Robt. Bolling
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Brunswick Co.
1/10/1735
Nottaway River; Resis Jones
Robert Poythress(3)
600 acres, Surry Co.
7/12/1735
Nottaway River; Indian swamp; David Poythress sold his land incl. inheritance to brother, Robert Poythress. 350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress(2) on 10/24/1701.
Francis Poythress
4,000 acres
12/15/1736
Butterwood swamp; incl. land already held by him.
John Poythress(3), Sr., gent.
325 acres, Brunswick Co.
3/17/1736
Maherrin River; Fountain's Creek; Great swamp; Cane branch; adj. his land; Chappel; Duglass; Clark. This is the same property sold by Tho. Poythress to Dawson on 7/6/1773.
mentions Joseph Poythress
700 acres, Prince George Co. & Amelia Co.
1/2/1737
Tommaheton swamp; adj. Joseph Poythress; Yorke; Batts' branch; Wm. Cryer
mentions John Poythress
250 acres, Prince George Co.
2/9/1737
Tommaheton swamp; Beaverpond; adj. John Poythress; John Michell
Francis Poythress, gent.
? acres, Prince George Co.
8/1738
John Allen
Francis Poythress, gent.
3,887 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Butterwood swamp; Cook's branch; White Oak swamp; Fitzgerald's Mill path; Westbrook's road; Governor's branch; Eaton; incl. previous lands
Francis Poythress
400 acres, Prince George Co.
9/22/1739
Tommaheton Creek; Beaverpond branch; Richardson; Wainwright
05/24/2004 11:07:12
Re: Joshua d. 1717...who is he?
Michael Tutor
With many families of the time having members living in London, working as
merchants, maybe this Joshua (d. 1717) performed that task for the family.
It seems that there has been no other mention of this Joshua in the records.
Perhaps his will might also be found in London.
Francis(2) died in 1688 and brother, John(2) died in 1712. It wouldn't be a
great stretch to fit this Joshua in as another brother.
Prince George County, Virginia, Court Orders 1714-1720, p. 132, June, 1717.
"The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against John Poythress and
Henry Offley neither party appearing is dismist."...and, same page, "Charles
Anderson having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythress, executor of
Joshua Poythress, deceased, and Henry Offley, late of London, merchant, it
is ordered a summons against the said John Poythress and Henry Offley to
appear at the next court and answer the said charges."
If we have concluded that John Poythress(3), son of John Poythress(2), was
in fact an attorney, it may possibly have been his role to handle the legal
aspects of the merchantile trade. And, it seems that this John Poythress was
most likely the oldest of the third generation Poythresses.
As for the first mention of third generation Poythresses that I have seen:
John Poythress(3), Sr., son of John (2), 1701; John Poythress(3), Jr., son
of Francis(2), 1703; Peter Poythress(3), 1711; Robert Poythress(3), 1713;
Thomas Poythress(3), 1715; Francis Poythress(3), 1715; Joshua Poythress(3),
1717; David Poythress(3), 1720; and, William Poythress(3), son of John(2),
1721. So, it looks like Joshua (d. 1717) could very likely have been an
uncle to this third generation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Joshua d. 1717...who is he?
> Sharing below for the group's information an exchange between Diana and
> me of a few days ago.
> Almost regardless of whether the answer is option A or option B (or even
> yet another option), I think the answer holds GREAT significance for us.
> Even if Batte is only half right that the line of John (RBB1) dies out
> and that all we living descendents (with the surname now or as a maiden
> name) are "probably" in the Francis (RBB4) line, then this question is
> meaningful for us: this Joshua appears to be either a) IN "our" Francis
> (RBB4) line OR b) an entirely new line with complications of its own.
> Any takers for comments?
> Maynard
> P. S. Barbara: you asked for a copy of the RBB chart and I lost my file.
> It seems the only copy I can hang onto is the one underneath the plastic
> cover on my desk. I'll run up to Kinko's and get a copy made. While
> I'm at it, anyone else need a copy and I'll do 'em all at once. The
> "needy" can email me direct to keep the board clean and if you aren't
> sure I have your snail mail adds please include it. I'm referring to
> the "new" chart on which Diana added what amounts to four generations of
> the missing "Part B" (the Francis line) "constructed" from Batte's
> actual 8 x 5 cards. MP
>
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:35 AM
> To: Diana Diamond
> Subject: Your take?
> PG Court Orders 1714-1720 (on the web site):
> P. 239
> 13 Aug 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against
> Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythres surviving excr
> of the Last Will and Testatment of Joshua Poythres dced. Thomas Simmons,
> SubSherriff Oath to the service of the Writ and charged Poythres and he
> failing to appear an attachment is granted the complaintant against the
> Body of the said Poythres returnable to the next Court and it is ordered
> that said summons is also against the said Offley returnable to the next
> Court.
>
> So, who is this Joshua? I lean to option A but can you rule out option
> B? Or, for that matter, could you even accept option A?
> A-
> He is a hitherto unidentified son of Francis (RBB4). "John" is a
> brother because he doesn't have a son named John (that's sort of
> difficult to say since we didn't even account for Joshua until now in
> the first place). All the other Joshuas seem to be in the John (RBB2)
> line and they clearly aren't this man. (Parenthetically, another Joshua
> appears in the same 1714-1724 Order book clearly alive post-1717 for
> several entries and I'm clearly not ready to stretch my mind around
> identifying him..could he be RBB21?..no way)
> I would make this Joshua the brother of John (RBB/DPD-DC)..all the
> legatees in this John's 1724 will line up so neatly one would suspect
> this might be where RBB filled in card # 89 since he abstracts the will
> on the card. However, Batte pointing out on card # 88 that John had a
> cousin John (presumably RBB26) with a wife also named Mary (Batte?)
> appears to be come by elsewhere.
> B-
> This Joshua is a hitherto unidentified son of Francis (RBB-0). I've
> seen that proposition (not stated overtly but tucked into a gedcom line)
> half dozen times on line but that's not enough to be "smoke"...there are
> just too many Joshua errors as for example those that show a Joshua m.
> _____ Peachy as father of Francis back in Gloustershire. Plus, there
> are just too many people filling out Pocahontas charts that one has to
> suspect a lot of "copycatting" for people that were seeming to
> themselves to only be casually filling in some peripheral names.
> A guy dying in 1717 having a father born in 1609 (at the latest) is
> something of a stretch. However, note that his presumed son John dies
> in 1724, only 7 years after his father in scenario A. That would at
> least hint that IF John is an old man when he dies in 1724 then his
> father dying in 1717 MIGHT be even older. Old enough to be a son of
> Francis (0)? Nah..not really.
> Lastly, I suppose, is that we are certainly shakier on Francis (RBB-0)'s
> offspring than we are on those of Francis (D)...so if this Joshua was
> just "overlooked" which generation is he likelier to be overlooked
> "from"?
> I'm just positive you have a factoid or two tucked away that's gonna
> clear this one up!!! Or even present option C.
> MP
> Diana:
> I can contribute only the negatives. I can find no mention of the
> Offley (O'Berry group) in question, or the Anderson in question in the
> Batte cards, but Batte does have Andersons and Offleys, so it it was
> worth a look.
>
> I don't find any of the documents listed in the Poythress cards either,
> at least not the Joshua's and the John's.
>
> I think both your points have merit, and it's clear there are a lot of
> Poythresses out there that aren't in the Batte universe. Some people
> say Francis the immigrant's father was a Joshua, and there is always the
> possibility that Francis had a brother who immigrated with him. This
> type of thing (brothers coming together) happened a lot. as you know.
>
> I remind you of the Poythress's Batte does have family fragments who
> will not show up in any overall register.
>
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=va_families&
> id=I1048
>
> And a different one
>
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=va_families&
> id=I0491
>
> Wish I could be more help.
>
> d/
>
>
>
> id=I0497>
>
>
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05/24/2004 12:39:56
Re: Joshua d. 1717...who is he?
Barbara P. Neal
Michael Tutor - Thank you, thank you, thank you for your recent
postings! I greatly appreciate ALL your great recent posts, including
the list of land transactions & the info on Joshua. Unfortunately, I am
up to my eyeballs right now in obtaining info on assisted living
facilities 3,000 miles away for a family member, and preparing for a
trip there soon to preview some of them, so my time for List messages
must be very brief.
Please: It would be SO much more helpful if you could please have your
email account's Preferences set up so that responses to your messages do
NOT have your own personal email account in the "Reply To" box. The way
our RootsWeb email-list works, is that if you leave that box blank, then
we can see responses, as they will go to the List for your List
messages. (Because you have your email set up that way, NONE of us
benefit from responses that anyone sends to you by only hitting the
"Reply" button, instead of the "Reply ALL" button. We would all benefit
by seeing follow-up messages. For example, when the fellow last week
asked you for the sources you used for your list of Poythress land
transactions, perhaps you answered him, but if so, none of the rest of
us were able to see it.)
Thanks again so much for your wonderful postings and all the wonderfully
thorough work you are doing on Poythress et al folks in early America!
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
05/26/2004 5:37:01
Ravenscroft - Poythress
Hello everyone~
I found the will of John Hamlin written in 1722 and probated in 1725 (Prince
George County) transcribed on the net at the following address:
Courtesy of http://www.balcro.com/carol.html
This will is witnessed by H. Poythress as well as Peter Wynne and
Francis Wynne.
John Hamlin mentions his "brothers" Thomas Ravenscroft and William Hamlin.
Since this is a transcription, I am not sure if the transcriber accurately read
the Poythress initial correctly. Could it have been an F for Francis or do
you think it was an H for Hannah?
It would appear that the wife of John Hamlin named Anne was the sister of
Thomas Ravenscroft. It has been said that Francis Poythress married a Hannah
Ravenscroft and by 1737 this Francis Poythress had died. However, the Wynne name
seemed to surfaced much earlier, in connection with the Poythress name, when
Robert Wynne married the widow of Capt. Francis Poythress in 1657. These
family connections remain intertwined for many generations for sure.
Further this John Hamlin dec. now in 1725 had wife Ann, sons John, Peter,
Charles, Hubbard and William and daughters Ann and Mary Irby wife of John Irby.
Regarding Ravenscroft: The earliest I have found a Thos Ravenscroft was 1714
with him posting a bond in James City Co with Daniel Groome and Francis
Sharpe. In 1722 Thos. Ravenscroft, William Hamlin and William Epes patented 2593
acres of land on the Nummissen Creek of what was then Prince George County. In
1723 Thomas Ravenscroft purchased the land known as "Maycocks" in Prince
George County from John Hamlin. There are several other land dealings before the
record found that Col Thomas Ravenscroft died in 1737 in Prince George County.
So I am again trying to determine just how many Hannah Poythresses who were
once Ravenscroft there might be and which Francis Poythress married Hannah,
with the ultimate goal of finding if Hannah married a Burnell Claiborne.(seeming
more unlikely each day to me).
Records on Burnell Claiborne are scant at best but some interesting ones are:
14 Jan 1745. John FITZGERRALD of Prince Geo to Leonard CLAIBORNE of Prince
Geo, 133 ac on Numiseen Crk, part of tract of 2,836 ac patented to FITZGERRALD
on 1 Jun 1741, also part of tract conveyed to Leonard CLAIBORNE on 11 Jul 1743.
Witness: Samuel JORDAN Jr., Leonard CLAIBORNE Jr., Burnell CLAIBORNE, Samuel
TARRY, Wood JONES, James MUNFORD. (Bk 2:370)
March 1745 - Virginia Gazette: A piece of land about 200 acres lying 4 miles
above BOLLING'S POINT, on APPAMATTAX RIVER, with a good Dwelling house, store
house and all other convenient buildings...for Merchant or Plantation...Is to
be sold. Enquire of the subscriber living on premises. BURNELL CLAIBORNE.
10 July 1745 - Prince George Co Land patent - BURNELL CLAIBORNE, 150acres in
Prince George Co. both side of White Oak Swamp and bounded by CAPT FRANCIS
POYTHRESS, FITZGERALDS Mill path, Stewarts' line. page 883 Land Patents.
LUNENBERG CNTY: DB IX p 17
6 Jan 1763. LEONARD CLAIBORNE, JR of DINWIDDIE CO to LEONARD CLAIBORNE, SR
of same, for 5 shil 649 acres on STONY CREEK, bounded by Green, Caudle, Mason,
Garrott; also 34 acres adjoining thereto and bounded by a patent dated 25
March 1762. Witness: Thomas Claiborne, Burnell Claiborne, Martha Claiborne,
Gray Briggs, Robert MUNFORD, CHARLES HAMLIN, Richard Claiborne.
Hannah Poythress...in 1765:
1765 Chesterfield Co: J Batte :
Francis Poythress of Prince George conveys to Thomas Walke his interest in
certain slaves NOW in possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and Peter
Woodlief, which slaves were devised by my GRANDFATHER to be (after death of his
widow) equally divided among his children. 23 July 1765.
? Is this Hannah the widow of Francis Poythress dec in 1737?
The wonderful Poythress site and JMP offers this from the Prince George
Records:
Aug 1739
p. 306
In the action of debts brought by Elizabeth Ravenscroft assignee of John
Ravenscroft, Executor of the Last Will and Testament of Thomas Ravenscroft dced
against Edmund Irby, Peter Robins and Francis Poythress for 30 pounds current
money due by Bond the defendants being called and failing to appear ...
This Francis Poythress above...is he the son of John Poythress who married
Christian; and didn't he die in 1737? Maynard, is this the Francis to which you
refer in your email of 5/18?
I would appreciate any help anyone could offer this confused genealogist.
Clearly the more I search these records .... the worse the confusion. Thanks to
Maynard and Mike Tutor for all their previous help.
Thank you.
Mary Jean
05/27/2004 4:08:29
KY Genealogical Society Seminar
John M. Poythress
Not having a lot of KY interest I don't normally attend these things but
this year the entire 1 day seminar is "Back home to VA,
Sources for finding Ancestors in VA." Keynote speaker to be Barbara
Vines Little. The seminar is in Frankfort, KY on August 7, 2004. I
have signed up.
We have so many auditing the traffic on the website nowadays thought I
would just post this and if anyone else is close enough and/or
interested enough in attending I'll be happy to email you the details.
It's only an hour away for me. Cost is $25 b/4 Aug. 1 and that's for
the whole day and includes box lunch.
At the seminar, I will remain on point for:
a) the Rt. Rev. Francis Poythress, sisters Susanna Prior and
Elizabeth Pendleton..all from PG County who ended up in KY and died
about 1820 or so, the question being who were their parents.
b) the elusive will of William Poythress (Rev. Vet.) of 2
Sep 1794, there being the question (if the PG will even survives)
of whether it is in Frankfort, KY or Richmond.
b) the various lawsuits of one Joshua Poythress vs. Porter, Wilson,
Carson, etc. (1824-27)..the records of which have also
eluded us. While these were all KY lawsuits, the
question remains if this Joshua ever even came to KY. Some have asked
if this Joshua could be the Joshua who winds up in New Jersey. I have
seen no evidence one way or the other.
If anyone wants to share any hints or other information about any of the
above three items, I'll be happy to have them.
Maynard
05/27/2004 6:56:09
Re: Jarret/Claiborne/Poythress
Michael Tutor
It looks like the address is:
http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/0301-0400/HDM0324.PDF
I have been looking back over my notes about Francis (1712). I noticed that
he bought land in 1728. If he had to be 21 years old, that would mean that
he was born by 1707. I'm beginning to think that he could not be the father
of the 24 year old Francis that died at age 24 after serving in the
revolution. If anything, he must have been the grandfather and quite
possibly the preacher is a missing generation between these two. It seems
that Mary Peterson was born about 1734 which would make her the right age to
have been the preacher's wife. The preacher, Jarrett Devereaux, would have
been about the same age as the preacher, Francis. The preacher could have
been Francis' (1712/1707) son because he would have inherited at least 4000
acres of land from Francis (1712/1707).
At least we now know that Francis (1712/1707) was the son of Francis
Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft, and was the grandson of John Poythress and
Christian Peebles...................Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Jarret/Claiborne/Poythress
> Mike:
> What an interesting story on Francis Poythress, born 1712 and son of
Hannah
> and Francis (d. 1737). Do you have the Methodist website that mentions
this
> story of Francis who started to follow Rev. Devereau Jarret...even a hint
of an
> idea,,,I sure would appreciate it.
>
> Yes, Burnell's first child named Martha Claiborne b. 1744/45 and died in
1826
> in Petersburg did marry Rev. Devereau Jarret, about 1762 and they never
had
> children. Rev. Jarret and Martha actually helped raise Dr. D. J.
Claiborne,
> son of Thomas B. Claiborne who was the second child of Burnell and
Georgianna or
> Martha or whomever. Both Martha and Rev. Jarret have a placque at the
> Sappony Methodist Church, outside of McKenny, Va and are said to be buried
near
> there. I have been to the church and seen the placque but not the grave
sites.
> This entire area is where all those Poythress, Fitzgerald, Jones etc lands
are
> that are shown on the Poythress website. I think Maynard did that.
Jarret was
> from England, educated there and was quite the prominent in the church and
> published as well. He served the church in America for 38 years.
>
> Interesting about the name of Georgianna and yes I have seen all those
> varying ideas of who the father was of Burnell. Will have to search
further on the
> Ravenscroft family to determine if a Georgianna seems a probable name for
> them. I am still assuming that Francis married Hannah Ravenscroft, a
probable
> daughter of Thomas Ravenscroft who died abt 1737 in Prince George.
Burnell's
> only son was named Thomas B. (I don't know what the B stands for but would
guess
> it's Burnell). If Leonard were his father, one might think he would name
his
> son after his father (the English tradition) . Lots of quirks in this
family
> group need some ironing yet. Your ideas, however all seem quite
plausible.
>
> Thanks so much.
> Mary Jean
> On one of the Methodist sites, it mentions a Francis Poythress, a native
> of
> > NC or VA, born about 1732, who inherited a considerable personal estate
> and
> > real estate at the death of his father. About 1772, he met with the
> reverend
> > Jarrett Devereaux and afterwards started following the Methodist
preacher
> > way of life. In 1810, he was living in Jessamine county, KY. His health
> > began failing about 1794. In his last days, he was living with his
sister,
> a
> > Mrs. Pryor, who lived 12 miles south of Lexington, KY., where he died
> after
> > 1810. He was at least 80 years old at his death......He was about 5' 9"
in
> > heighth and was a heavily built, muscular man in the prime of his life,
> and
> > had a dark complexion. In old age, his hair turned gray, and he wore it
> > turned back and hanging over his shoulders. He dressed plainly, but
neat,
> > and was an honorable man with a sense of moral obligation. As a young
man,
> > prior to his conversion to methodism, he was into all of the vices and
> > probably spent a lot of his inheritance.
> >
> > I'm sure you've probably seen this before but here it is in case you
don't
> > have it readily available............Mike
> >
> >
> Mary Jean,
> >
> > I see where Batte, in his research, mentioned a Georgiana Ravenscroft
> > Poythress. My guess would be that she is the unnamed daughter mentioned
> for
> > Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft. More than likely, Georgiana
> > married the Claiborne.....not Hannah. As you have seen, Hannah seems to
> have
> > died about 1765 without remarrying. The Fox site listed Georgiana as
> having
> > been born about 1721, and that she married Bernard Claiborne (b. 1718),
> son
> > of Thomas Claiborne and Anne Fox. I have figured that her brother, a
> Francis
> > Poythress, was born 1712, as he seemed to be of age when their father
died
> > in 1738, and he was mentioned by name by his grandfather, John
> Poythress(2),
> > in the will of 1712.....More than likely, Francis and Hannah Poythress
had
> a
> > few other children that we haven't associated with these two. In 1765,
> > Francis conveys his interest in the slaves left by his grandfather, John
> > Poythress, over to Thomas Walke.....Unless there is something to the
> > contrary, I believe that we have finally identified which Francis
married
> > the Ravenscroft.
> >
> > According to Dorman in his 4th edition, the unnamed female (possibly
this
> > Georgiana) Poythress that married a Claiborne, did in fact move to
> Georgia.
> > Dorman thinks this female married a Leonard Poythress. He also says that
> > Hannah Poythress married Burrell Claiborne, son of a Leonard Claiborne
and
> a
> > Martha Burnell. From the records, it seems reasonable to say that Hannah
> > never remarried. Interestingly, Burrell Claiborne is listed with a
> daughter
> > named Martha Claiborne who married a Jarrett Devereaux. Devereaux lived
> from
> > 1732-1801...........Mike
> >
> >
>
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05/28/2004 3:07:42
Re: Rev. Francis Poythress
Michael Tutor
I took a look at the sites that you forwarded. They show the preacher
dliving to be at least 85 years old. If we could count on the dates that are
given, he lived 1732-1818.
By the way, the page numbers that will interest you in the site that I gave
you are pages 124-125...........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Rev. Francis Poythress
> Well I did find some sites that offer some information and am enclosing
> should any others be interested. Best, Mary Jean
>
> Rev. Francis Poythress....First attended Conference in 1776
> http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/0201-0300/stevens/0219-233.htm
> In North Carolina in 1800
> http://www.ls.net/~newriver/nc/wnc9.htm
> In Tennessee ~
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/carr11.htm
> Kentucky~
> http://www.1stumc.org/history.html
>
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05/28/2004 3:15:57
Re: Jarret/Claiborne/Poythress
Mike:
What an interesting story on Francis Poythress, born 1712 and son of Hannah
and Francis (d. 1737). Do you have the Methodist website that mentions this
story of Francis who started to follow Rev. Devereau Jarret...even a hint of an
idea,,,I sure would appreciate it.
Yes, Burnell's first child named Martha Claiborne b. 1744/45 and died in 1826
in Petersburg did marry Rev. Devereau Jarret, about 1762 and they never had
children. Rev. Jarret and Martha actually helped raise Dr. D. J. Claiborne,
son of Thomas B. Claiborne who was the second child of Burnell and Georgianna or
Martha or whomever. Both Martha and Rev. Jarret have a placque at the
Sappony Methodist Church, outside of McKenny, Va and are said to be buried near
there. I have been to the church and seen the placque but not the grave sites.
This entire area is where all those Poythress, Fitzgerald, Jones etc lands are
that are shown on the Poythress website. I think Maynard did that. Jarret was
from England, educated there and was quite the prominent in the church and
published as well. He served the church in America for 38 years.
Interesting about the name of Georgianna and yes I have seen all those
varying ideas of who the father was of Burnell. Will have to search further on the
Ravenscroft family to determine if a Georgianna seems a probable name for
them. I am still assuming that Francis married Hannah Ravenscroft, a probable
daughter of Thomas Ravenscroft who died abt 1737 in Prince George. Burnell's
only son was named Thomas B. (I don't know what the B stands for but would guess
it's Burnell). If Leonard were his father, one might think he would name his
son after his father (the English tradition) . Lots of quirks in this family
group need some ironing yet. Your ideas, however all seem quite plausible.
Thanks so much.
Mary Jean
On one of the Methodist sites, it mentions a Francis Poythress, a native
of
> NC or VA, born about 1732, who inherited a considerable personal estate
and
> real estate at the death of his father. About 1772, he met with the
reverend
> Jarrett Devereaux and afterwards started following the Methodist preacher
> way of life. In 1810, he was living in Jessamine county, KY. His health
> began failing about 1794. In his last days, he was living with his sister,
a
> Mrs. Pryor, who lived 12 miles south of Lexington, KY., where he died
after
> 1810. He was at least 80 years old at his death......He was about 5' 9" in
> heighth and was a heavily built, muscular man in the prime of his life,
and
> had a dark complexion. In old age, his hair turned gray, and he wore it
> turned back and hanging over his shoulders. He dressed plainly, but neat,
> and was an honorable man with a sense of moral obligation. As a young man,
> prior to his conversion to methodism, he was into all of the vices and
> probably spent a lot of his inheritance.
>
> I'm sure you've probably seen this before but here it is in case you don't
> have it readily available............Mike
>
>
Mary Jean,
>
> I see where Batte, in his research, mentioned a Georgiana Ravenscroft
> Poythress. My guess would be that she is the unnamed daughter mentioned
for
> Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft. More than likely, Georgiana
> married the Claiborne.....not Hannah. As you have seen, Hannah seems to
have
> died about 1765 without remarrying. The Fox site listed Georgiana as
having
> been born about 1721, and that she married Bernard Claiborne (b. 1718),
son
> of Thomas Claiborne and Anne Fox. I have figured that her brother, a
Francis
> Poythress, was born 1712, as he seemed to be of age when their father died
> in 1738, and he was mentioned by name by his grandfather, John
Poythress(2),
> in the will of 1712.....More than likely, Francis and Hannah Poythress had
a
> few other children that we haven't associated with these two. In 1765,
> Francis conveys his interest in the slaves left by his grandfather, John
> Poythress, over to Thomas Walke.....Unless there is something to the
> contrary, I believe that we have finally identified which Francis married
> the Ravenscroft.
>
> According to Dorman in his 4th edition, the unnamed female (possibly this
> Georgiana) Poythress that married a Claiborne, did in fact move to
Georgia.
> Dorman thinks this female married a Leonard Poythress. He also says that
> Hannah Poythress married Burrell Claiborne, son of a Leonard Claiborne and
a
> Martha Burnell. From the records, it seems reasonable to say that Hannah
> never remarried. Interestingly, Burrell Claiborne is listed with a
daughter
> named Martha Claiborne who married a Jarrett Devereaux. Devereaux lived
from
> 1732-1801...........Mike
>
>
05/28/2004 7:02:11
Rev. Francis Poythress
Well I did find some sites that offer some information and am enclosing
should any others be interested. Best, Mary Jean
Rev. Francis Poythress....First attended Conference in 1776
http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/0201-0300/stevens/0219-233.htm
In North Carolina in 1800
http://www.ls.net/~newriver/nc/wnc9.htm
In Tennessee ~
http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnsumner/carr11.htm
Kentucky~
http://www.1stumc.org/history.html
05/28/2004 8:17:34
FW: Genealogy Gems: News from Fort Wayne, No. 3, May 31, 2004
John M. Poythress
I'm forwarding below an issue of the free on-line newsletter of the
Allen County Public Library. It's not likely that many of us have a
great interest in Indiana or even more specifically Fort Wayne.
However, this library has a well deserved reputation of being a top tier
genealogical library doing a lot of innovative things.
Below is copied an issue and subscription instructions are at the end.
These issues are typically quite long and one likely needs to be
selective but these folks are pros.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Spears [mailto:Kspears@acpl.lib.in.us]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Genealogy Gems: News from Fort Wayne, No. 3, May 31, 2004
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Genealogy Gems: News from the Fort Wayne Library
No. 3, May 31, 2004
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In this issue:
*New site added to Department's Online Resources
*Microtext Source: New Orleans slave manifests 1807-1860
*Printed Source: Atlas of historical county boundaries
*And you think you love genealogy
*Hotel of the month
*Area calendar of events
*Librarians on Tour
*Driving directions to the library & parking
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New Site Added to Department's Online Resources
Curt Witcher, Manager
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Advancing technologies continue to impact how genealogists and family
historians identify important information sources and conduct research.
Even a decade ago, few would have imagined that such significant
quantities of data would be readily available on the Internet. The
opportunities for networking and collaboration are truly remarkable.
For researchers who visit the Allen County Public Library, three major
subscription databases are available for use. Ancestry.com certainly
represents the largest data file on the web for genealogists. This site
contains many large sets of data including the U. S. census indices and
images, a significant U. K. collection, historical newspapers, and the
Social Security Death Index. Clicking on "list all databases" can be
quite a pleasant and eye-opening experience!
HeritageQuestOnline.com provides researchers with a growing collection
of full-text family and local histories. More than twenty-five thousand
titles are available to scan and download appropriate sections. In
addition to its virtual library of genealogies and histories,
HeritageQuest also provides U. S. census indices and images, and the
most current version of the "Periodical Source Index." It is truly like
a library within our department.
In 2004, we started an institutional subscription to
NewEnglandAncestors.org. This is the web site of the New England
Historic Genealogical Society, the oldest genealogical society in the
country. For those researching New England ancestors, this is an
amazing site to explore. There are hundreds of data files organized
into roughly two dozen subject categories. An overall "Master Search"
is also available for searching across all their databases. It's a
must-look if you are doing New England research.
To these licensed data files, we have added our own affiliate website,
http://www.FriendsOfAllenCounty.org, which makes available data from
Fort Wayne and Allen County, Indiana, as well as from other regions, in
a searchable format. At present, all the databases on the site are
searchable from anywhere. Currently, the modest collection of Allen
County data files includes indices to late 20th century burial permits,
20th century servicemen and servicewomen, the first fifty years of
county death records, and late 19th century annual reports for the city
of Fort Wayne. Look for the number of data files to steadily grow. A
link will be added from our department's main web page in the near
future. In the meantime, feel free to stop by "FriendsOfAllenCounty"
and take a look around.
To complement our deep and rich collection of books and
microtext, look for the department to sport a growing collection of
searchable files.
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United States Customs Service Records, Port of New Orleans, Louisiana
Inward (to New Orleans) slave manifests; Rolls 1 - 12 Date Range
1807 - 1860
Outward (departing Port of New Orleans) slave manifests; Rolls 1 - 12
Date Range 1812 - 1860
Roberta Ridley
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The Inward/Outward Slave Manifests for the Port of New Orleans,
Louisiana is an unassuming and informative source that may help to track
movement of slaves, as well as the slave owners. The domestic slave
trade transplanted approximately one million slaves during the period of
1808 through 1865 (prior to the end of Civil War). The relocation was
from Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, Maryland, District of Columbia, and
North Carolina, to Alabama, Mississippi, Western Georgia, Louisiana,
Texas, and Arkansas.
In 1808 the United States abolished the importation of slaves
and from that time through 1865, there was an aggressive migration and
settlement of the southern frontier. Slaves were transported overland
and by coastal waterways. Coastal transportation was from as far north
as Boston along the Eastern Seaboard, all the way to New Orleans. Many
Africans and African Americans were sold south or transplanted south
with their owners.
The manifest documentation provides the following kinds of
ownership that could have existed for any one of the slaves being
shipped to New Orleans:
A) Owner is a planter moving via sea his whole plantation (slave,
equipment, etc.) to the Port of New Orleans. Occasionally the place of
relocation is provided.
B) Owner is a slave trader who has bona fide papers showing that he is
the owner and that he is consigning a lot of slaves to either his agent
or his slave trading house in New Orleans
C) An agent or consignee is shipping slaves to be sold in the New
Orleans market individually or as a group.
The list provides the owner/shipper name, consignee and agent, ship
name, embarkation port, and of course the port of arrival.
If a slave's speech, mannerism, or description was suspect, they
could be held back upon arrival for investigation, and the manifest so
noted. The manifest contains the name, age, description of the slave,
and sometimes a female slave will have her children's names listed with
her entry. Currently we do not have a complete index for this
collection, but the records are well organized by ports and dates.
Though some effort is required, they can be easily searched.
This record source is greatly underutilized for both African
American genealogy and slave owner migration research in the Old
Southwest. We invite you to discover this source!
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Atlas of Historical County Boundaries
Elaine M. Kuhn
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Identifying the locations where one's ancestors resided can often prove
challenging to researchers; this task becomes even more daunting when
the place changes county affiliations. Further, since counties are often
the entities responsible for collecting and maintaining records ranging
from taxes to wills, knowing which county was responsible for an area
can save much time and frustration. To aid fellow researchers in their
quest for information, Editor John Long and his staff began in 1993 the
multi-volume series, Atlas of Historical County Boundaries, detailing
the creation and boundary changes of every county in the United States.
The series finds its origins in the five-volume set, Historical Atlas
and Chronology of County Boundaries, 1788-1980, also edited by John Long
(ACPL call no. 973 H615), but is broader in scope and documents county
formations from colonial times through 1990. Volumes covering
twenty-four states and the District of Columbia are published so far (to
identify which states' volumes ACPL owns, search the ACPL catalog for
the words, "Atlas of Historical County Boundaries").
Each volume begins with a table of county creation dates, source
citations and, where applicable, a listing of counties that had made it
through the preliminary steps of creation, but for a variety of reasons
never became full-fledged counties. An individual chronology of each
county's evolution follows along with an illustration of the county
within its state, a map of the county as it was during a specific time
period superimposed onto a map of its current form, and a brief
description of the event that caused the change in boundaries. Maps are
based on those created by the U.S. Geological Survey, showing much more
detail than what is provided in William Thorndale's excellent Map Guide
to the U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920 (call no. 973.003 T39MA).
Readers will also find outline maps for all of a state's censuses - be
they territorial, federal, or state - and descriptions of the
information available for each census. Every volume contains a
bibliography of sources for further research and most of the volumes
include modern-day indexes of places. Some volumes also provide a
chronology and set of maps showing the state during territorial
organization. Genealogists, historians, and even those with a passing
interest in geography will find a wealth of information within this
series of books.
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And you think you love genealogy!
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Working at ACPL, we get many, many visitors from all corners of the
country, and even some from foreign lands. Most visit for a couple of
days or a week. The lucky ones have family that live in Fort Wayne, and
can then camp on the couch for an extended visit.
Not many pick up and move to Fort Wayne for their love of genealogy.
Well, meet Helen. Helen is a South Dakota native who has MOVED to Fort
Wayne to work on her genealogy. A mother of 3 adults, she put her
belongings in storage in South Dakota, found an apartment on the
Internet near the library, took a bus to Fort Wayne, signed a year
lease, and made a beeline for the library.
"Living in South Dakota, it's hard to get genealogical materials. Of
course we have the LDS Family History Center, but I had to send for
everything. I talked to the kids, told them I was moving here. They
were excited for me. I just love it here, all the resources right at my
fingertips! I might stay another year!" She adds "The staff here is
very customer service oriented. From the pages to the librarians, they
are friendly, helpful and make researching a great experience"
Now I call that a hardcore genealogist!
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Hotel of the Month
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Each issue we will feature a local hotel, for visitors from
out-of-town.
Lee's Inn
5707 Challenger Parkway, Fort Wayne 46818
Phone: 260-489-8888 or reserve toll free at 1-800-733-5337
The Lee's Inn comes recommended by some recent genealogy department
visitors. They come for a week at a time, and have a list of
requirements for their hotel. Lee's Inn passed the test.
It has 73 rooms, including a hot breakfast, free local calls and
newspaper. Internet access is possible through the telephone plug.
Whirpool rooms are available. There are both indoor and outdoor pools.
It is conveniently visible from I-69, in a circle of other hotels. There
is a Cracker Barrel Restaurant next door.
It is located at exit 111B (Lima Road) on I-69. Getting to the library
from Lee's Inn is an easy fifteen-minute drive. Rate for genealogists:
$59.
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Area Calendar of Events
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Allen County Public Library
3rd floor atrium display area
Passages: Immigration
Allen County Genealogical Society of Indiana (ACGSI)
http://www.ipfw.edu/ipfwhist/historgs/acgsi.htm
Annual Dinner
June 9th, 2004
330 Entrance Drive
American Legion, New Haven, IN
6:00pm reservations required
contact Judy Bunn 747-7019
Computer Users Group
No meetings until September 2004
Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR)
First Wednesday of each month in the Genealogy Department.
June 2, 2004 9am - 3pm
Expert help from members of the DAR in becoming a member of that
organization
Federation of Genealogical Societies
www.fgs.org
September 8 - 11, 2004
Austin, Texas / Austin Convention Center
"Legends Live Forever: Researching the Past for Future Generations"
http://www.fgs.org/2004conf/FGS-2004.htm
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ACPL Librarians on Tour
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Sue Kaufman
September 8 - 11 Austin, TX: Federation of Genealogical Societies
www.fgs.org
Steve Myers
August 27-28 Minneapolis, MN: Irish Genealogical Society
International
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/
October 24-30 Research Academy in Salt Lake City: Irish Research
www.genealogicalstudies.com/SLC.htm
Ryan Taylor
September 25 Waterloo, ON: Waterloo Region Branch OGS workshop
September 26 Brampton, ON: Halton-Peel Branch OGS branch meeting
September 27 Toronto, ON: Toronto Branch OGS branch meeting
October 2 Barrie, ON: Simcoe County Branch OGS workshop
October 24-30 National Institute for Genealogical Studies
Research Academy in Salt Lake City: English Research
www.genealogicalstudies.com/SLC.htm
Curt Witcher
June 11 Plainfield, IN: School of Library & Information
Science Presentation
June 22-23 Mansfield, OH: Ohio Genealogical Society Summer Camp
July 12 Indianapolis, IN: Church & Synagogue Library
Association Conference
August 27-28 St. Louis, MO: St. Louis Public Library Genealogy
Seminar
September 18 Farmington Hills, MI: Farmington Genealogical Society
Program
October 9 Lancaster, OH: Fairfield County Genealogical Society
Seminar
October 30 Elkhart, IN: Elkhart County Genealogical Society Fall
Seminar
November 13 Cincinnati, OH: Hamilton County Genealogical Society
Program
September 8 - 11 Austin, TX: Federation of Genealogical Societies
www.fgs.org
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Driving Directions to the Library
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Wondering how to get to the library? Our exciting temporary location
is 200 E. Berry, Fort Wayne, Indiana. We will be at this location until
late 2006. We would enjoy having you visit the Genealogy Department.
To get directions from your exact location to 200 E. Berry, Fort Wayne,
Indiana, visit this link at MapQuest:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=250&addtohisto
ry=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address&address=200+E+Berry+St&city=For
t+Wayne&state=IN&zipcode=46802-2706&search=++Search++&finditform=1
From the South
Exit Interstate 69 at exit 102. Come east on Jefferson Blvd. into
downtown. Turn left on Barr St. to Berry St. The library is located on
the corner of Berry and Barr streets.
From the North
Exit Interstate 69 at exit 112, coming south on Coldwater Rd. Follow
this south, taking a left turn onto Clinton St. Continue south on
Clinton, the library will be on your left when you cross Berry St.
From the West
Using US 30:
Drive into town on US 30. US 30 turns into Goshen Rd. Coming up to an
angled street (State St.) make an angled left turn. Turn right on Wells
St. Go south on Wells to Wayne St. Left on Wayne. When you cross
Clinton, the library will be on your left on Wayne St.
Using US 24:
After crossing under Interstate 69, follow the same directions as from
the South.
From the East
Follow US 30 into and through New Haven, under an overpass into
downtown Fort Wayne. You will be on Washington St. when you get into
downtown. Turn right on Barr St. Turn left on Berry St. The library
is on your left on Berry St.
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Parking at the Library
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Lot in front of the library, east side
Available for short-term library parking. Limited to one hour.
Tippman Parking Garage
Clinton and Wayne streets. Across from the library, however the
skybridge is NOT accessible. Hourly parking, $1.25 per hour up to a
maximum of $5.00 per day.
Park Place Lot
Covered parking on Barr St. at Main St., this lot is one block away
from the library. Hourly parking Monday through Friday, 9am to 6pm.
Street (metered) parking on Wayne St. and Berry St.
On the street you plug the meters 8am - 5pm, weekdays only. It is
free to park on the street after 5pm and on the weekends.
Visitor center/Grand Wayne center
Covered parking at Washington and Clinton streets. This is the Hilton
Hotel parking lot that also serves as a day parking garage. For hourly
parking, 7am - 11 pm, charges are .50 for the first 45 minutes, then
$1.00 per hour. There is a flat $2.00 fee between 5pm and 11pm.
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Publishing Note: This electronic newsletter is published by the Allen
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We welcome the wide distribution of this newsletter and encourage
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05/29/2004 4:01:18
5/30/04
Michael Tutor
For those looking for any possible links between Richard Pace and Rebecca Poythress..........
I found this on the Duke website: "Wm. Raines or Rainey also owned land near the Greensville Co area where John Duke, Henry Duke, and John Taylor Duke settled for several decades. His land was on the south side of Three Creeks and the north side of Little Creek in Lawnes Creek Parish, bounding land sold by James Washington to Nathaniel Harrison on 14 Jun 1725, with Sampson Lanier a witness (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.591). Raney also bought 150 acres on the south side of the main Blackwater Swamp bounded by William Jones and Henry Jones from George Pasamore (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.76). Robert Wynne, Burrell Green and William Green were witnesses. George Pasamore's land bounded that of Thomas House Jr., and William House on Three Creeks (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.714).
I noticed several things about this write up: (1) Richard Pace had land on the north side of the three creeks, in Surry County, and adjacent to George Pasmore and George Hamilton. (2) George Hamilton is mentioned in a court case with John Poythress in 1717. (3) George Hamilton is mentioned in a court case with Francis Poythress in April, 1739. (4) In 1733, Richard Pace sold land to his son-in-law, William Johnson, husband of Mary Pace, in Surry County, adjacent to Nathaniel Harrison. This was part of Richard Pace's 1,220 acres between the three creeks and Otterdam swamp in Lawnes Creek parish. (5) Robert Wynne was a first cousin of Rebecca Poythress. (6) Burrell Green was the name of Rebecca Poythress' brother-in-law that married her sister, Anne. (7) I don't have information on William Green's family but Richard and Rebecca Pace had daughters, Amy and Frances, that married men with the last name of Green. (8) I don't have information on Thomas House's family or William Hous!
e's family, but Richard and Rebecca Pace had a daughter, Sarah, that married a House. (9) I don't know if Burrell Green or William Green are relatives of Lewis Green but Lewis Green lived adjacent to William Rainey at the Woodyard Swamp. (10) Thomas Poythress lived at the Woodyard Swamp. (11) Thomas Poythress' land on the Woodyard Swamp went to Peter Green in 1732. Peter Green was a son of Lewis Green. (12) I'm not sure which Henry Jones this is, but a Henry and Catherine Jones were possibly the parents of Anne Jones that married Peter Poythress, the Indian trader. (13) I'm not sure which William Jones this is, but Peter Jones, the Indian trader, had a son named William Jones. One of Sarah Walpole's husbands was a William Jones.
In an April 20, 1680, deed, Francis Poythress is mentioned as a neighbor of John Williams and William Edmonds in Jordans parish, near Bland's path. Williams and Edmonds received fifty acres for paying Nicholas Whitmore's transportation. In an April 21, 1690, deed, Francis Poythress' land and Nicholas Whitmore's land are listed adjacent to the land of Adam Tapley and William Harrison in Jordans parish. In a deed, February 11, 1659/1660, Richard Pace, the father of Richard that supposedly married Rebecca Poythress, sold his land adjacent to Bland's path to William Wilkins. His wife, Mary Baker Pace, married Nicholas Whitmore in 1692. Richard Bland was involved with Richard Pace, Rebecca Coggin Poythress, Thomas Poythress and others within the two families. Richard Bland II married Anne Poythress, daughter of Peter Poythress and Anne Jones.
The above items provide some curious coincidences. There are many more than these but I was surprised by the number of coincidences in the Duke website...........Mike
05/30/2004 5:39:59
5/30/04 & Rainey-Poythress connections
Barbara P. Neal
Perhaps the Rainey family was more than just a neighboring family of the
Poythress family? Certainly a possibility we should at least keep our
eyes out for, and explore if we have the opportunity.
The Rainey name has cropped up several times in conjunction with
Poythress folks, and Michael mentioned one of them in the first
paragraph of his message captioned "5/30/04" about land in the early
1700s near Greensville Co (VA, I presume from the mention of the
Blackwater Swamp), which I've copied below.
Much later, in 1852, the Rainey name occurs on a marriage bond obtained
across the stateline in Warren County, NC for the Mecklenburg Co, VA
marriage of the eldest son (named Joshua Lewis Poythress) of my (BPN's)
g-g-grandfather James Edward Poythress. I think that Joshua & Elizabeth
probably got their marriage license in Warren Co, NC because her family
probably lived there. My examination of this Warren Co, NC document
itself (as I've noted in my genie program) shows Joshua L. Poythress &
Elizabeth Crowder (shown as Elizabeth J. Crowder on the License &
Return), Marriage Bond (signed by Poythress and John Rainey, and
witnessed by R. B. Robinson) and License (witnessed by Jno. W. White,
Clerk) were both dated 30 Sep 1852, & the Marriage Return (written by R.
B. Robinson) was dated 15 Oct 1852. The family record (Poythress &
Preston Bible type Record) lists their marriage as being on 17 Oct 1852
rather than 15 Oct. In Oct 1852, the 15th was a Friday & the 17th was a
Sunday; perhaps there were 2 ceremonies with one in Warren Co and one
across the stateline in Mecklenburg Co, VA, where Joshua's family lived.
And in between the 1700s reference and the 1852 marriage bond, was yet
another: After I had recently mentioned that marriage bond signed by
Rainey to BPW, she wrote me: "That Rainey name keeps popping up. In a
Deed dated September 1837 there is a Rainey with land next to Lewis
Poythress in Mecklenburg Co. VA. And in September 1852 in Mecklenburg
Co. David Poythress sells land to Cleaton with a reference to adjoining
land by Rainey." (Hopefully BPW can give us the citations for those 2
deeds.)
On 5/30/2004 Michael Tutor wrote: ...I found this on the Duke website: "Wm. Raines or Rainey also
owned land near the Greensville Co area where John Duke, Henry Duke, and
John Taylor Duke settled for several decades. His land was on the south
side of Three Creeks and the north side of Little Creek in Lawnes Creek
Parish, bounding land sold by James Washington to Nathaniel Harrison on
14 Jun 1725, with Sampson Lanier a witness (Surry County Deeds, Wills,
Etc. Bk 7, p.591). Raney also bought 150 acres on the south side of the
main Blackwater Swamp bounded by William Jones and Henry Jones from
George Pasamore (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.76). Robert
Wynne, Burrell Green and William Green were witnesses. George Pasamore's
land bounded that of Thomas House Jr., and William House on Three Creeks
(Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.714).
05/31/2004 4:38:16
BPN's gggrandfather's Poythress family
Barbara P. Neal
Re Michael's request for a working family tree for me, in his message
today captioned "Re: 5/30/04 & Rainey-Poythress connections" the entire
families of my both g-g-grandfather, James Edward Poythress of
Mecklenburg Co, VA, & the entire birth-family for his wife, Catherine
Speed Preston of Brunswick Co, VA, are already detailed on our Poythress
research website. Across the top of the page, go to "Primary Records"
and then to "Bible & Marriage." Under that, the first link is to my
detailed computer-transcription and the associated original Family
Record pages (copies of which are filed at the Library of Virginia's
Bible collection among other facilities).
The parents of James Edward Poythress have yet to be conclusively
determined. As can be seen from that Family Record, out of the 8
children of James Edward Poythress (JEP, for short), the first 3 sons
left no descendants who made it to adulthood. The descendants of JEP's 4
daughters are of course not Poythress-surnamed, and I'm not posting
further info on those daughters' families beyond what is shown in the
grave markers (see bottom paragraph here).
At this time, I'm only posting the grave marker info regarding
descendants of the remaining child of JEP's: his youngest son Algernon
Edward Poythress (see bottom paragraph here). Of AEP's 11 children, only
2 were sons who made it to adulthood & left descendants: Nathan Hamet
Poythress (my grandfather who lived 1878-1963), and Bennie Edward
Poythress (who lived 1893-1960). Further detailed info on those lines is
not yet appropriate to post yet due to family considerations of the living.
GRAVE MARKERS: At the Poythress research website, under "Primary
Records" and then under "Cemetery" check the spreadsheet of photos &
associated family info found when one clicks on the "Meridian,
Mississippi Grave Markers." In the middle column, "Relationship(s),
where known" one can find numerous family members of the above-mentioned
James Edward Poythress, and of his son Algernon Edward Poythress, and
Algernon's son Bennie Edward Poythress. Also folks who descend not from
JEP, but instead from David Poythress (of Mecklenburg Co, VA), will find
numerous entries in these gravemarkers for people who descended thru
David's son James Speed Poythress.
Hope this helps, even if it doesn't furnish a working family tree such
as that in Diana's format.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
05/31/2004 10:36:26
Re: 5/30/04 & Rainey-Poythress connections
Michael Tutor
Barbara,
We need to see a working family tree, like the one Diana has posted for
Batte, for you, Maynard, Lou, etc., on the website. It would help the rest
of us to see what you have.................Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: 5/30/04 & Rainey-Poythress connections
> Perhaps the Rainey family was more than just a neighboring family of the
> Poythress family? Certainly a possibility we should at least keep our
> eyes out for, and explore if we have the opportunity.
>
> The Rainey name has cropped up several times in conjunction with
> Poythress folks, and Michael mentioned one of them in the first
> paragraph of his message captioned "5/30/04" about land in the early
> 1700s near Greensville Co (VA, I presume from the mention of the
> Blackwater Swamp), which I've copied below.
>
> Much later, in 1852, the Rainey name occurs on a marriage bond obtained
> across the stateline in Warren County, NC for the Mecklenburg Co, VA
> marriage of the eldest son (named Joshua Lewis Poythress) of my (BPN's)
> g-g-grandfather James Edward Poythress. I think that Joshua & Elizabeth
> probably got their marriage license in Warren Co, NC because her family
> probably lived there. My examination of this Warren Co, NC document
> itself (as I've noted in my genie program) shows Joshua L. Poythress &
> Elizabeth Crowder (shown as Elizabeth J. Crowder on the License &
> Return), Marriage Bond (signed by Poythress and John Rainey, and
> witnessed by R. B. Robinson) and License (witnessed by Jno. W. White,
> Clerk) were both dated 30 Sep 1852, & the Marriage Return (written by R.
> B. Robinson) was dated 15 Oct 1852. The family record (Poythress &
> Preston Bible type Record) lists their marriage as being on 17 Oct 1852
> rather than 15 Oct. In Oct 1852, the 15th was a Friday & the 17th was a
> Sunday; perhaps there were 2 ceremonies with one in Warren Co and one
> across the stateline in Mecklenburg Co, VA, where Joshua's family lived.
>
> And in between the 1700s reference and the 1852 marriage bond, was yet
> another: After I had recently mentioned that marriage bond signed by
> Rainey to BPW, she wrote me: "That Rainey name keeps popping up. In a
> Deed dated September 1837 there is a Rainey with land next to Lewis
> Poythress in Mecklenburg Co. VA. And in September 1852 in Mecklenburg
> Co. David Poythress sells land to Cleaton with a reference to adjoining
> land by Rainey." (Hopefully BPW can give us the citations for those 2
> deeds.)
>
> On 5/30/2004 Michael Tutor wrote:
> ...I found this on the Duke website: "Wm. Raines or Rainey also
> owned land near the Greensville Co area where John Duke, Henry Duke, and
> John Taylor Duke settled for several decades. His land was on the south
> side of Three Creeks and the north side of Little Creek in Lawnes Creek
> Parish, bounding land sold by James Washington to Nathaniel Harrison on
> 14 Jun 1725, with Sampson Lanier a witness (Surry County Deeds, Wills,
> Etc. Bk 7, p.591). Raney also bought 150 acres on the south side of the
> main Blackwater Swamp bounded by William Jones and Henry Jones from
> George Pasamore (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.76). Robert
> Wynne, Burrell Green and William Green were witnesses. George Pasamore's
> land bounded that of Thomas House Jr., and William House on Three Creeks
> (Surry County Deeds, Wills, Etc. Bk 7, p.714).
>
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05/31/2004 11:22:24
Re: Rainey-Poythress Connection
Barbara,
Regarding your request below of 5-31-04 for citations:
"And in between the 1700s reference and the 1852 marriage bond, was yet
another: After I had recently mentioned that marriage bond signed by
Rainey to BPW, she wrote me: "That Rainey name keeps popping up. In a
Deed dated September 1837 there is a Rainey with land next to Lewis
Poythress in Mecklenburg Co. VA. And in September 1852 in Mecklenburg
Co. David Poythress sells land to Cleaton with a reference to adjoining
land by Rainey." (Hopefully BPW can give us the citations for those 2
deeds.)"
I do have copies of these Mecklenburg County Virginia deeds but no citations.
Perkinson sold to David Poythress on Sept 14, 1837 a parcel of 100 acres
which was "bounded as follow on the south and west by the land of WILLIAMSON
RAINEY SR. on the north by the land of Lewis Poythress and on the east by the
land of Leonard Thomas."
David Poythress sold a parcel of land containing 143 acres to Chas.Cleaton
on 24th August 1852 bounded as follows: "on the north by Charles Cleaton on the
west by Thomas Poythress on the south by (not legible) and on the east by
JNO. RAINEY."
Barbara (BPW)
06/01/2004 12:06:26
Re: Rainey-Poythress Connection
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks to BPW giving the dates of the 2 deeds she had with Rainey
mentioned in them, I found the following:
- the citation for the 1852 deed;
- good info identifying RAINEY (and wife MORGAN), which led me to
- another RAINEY mention in 1845.
(I haven't yet found the citation for the 1837 Perkinson to Poythress
Mecklenburg Co, VA deed, an abstract of which BPW gave us)
Re the 24 Aug 1852 deed:
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 34, p.75 (recorded 20 Sep 1852) I found the
citation in notes from the Mecklenburg Co, VA Grantors Index which lists
for this item, grantors "Poythress, David & Sarah M." & grantee being
Charles Cleaton. This citation is for the deed which BPW abstracted as:
David Poythress sold a parcel of land containing 143 acres to Chas.
Cleaton on 24th August 1852 bounded as follows: "on the north by Charles
Cleaton on the west by Thomas Poythress on the south by (not legible)
and on the east by JNO. RAINEY."
Good info on RAINEY & wife MORGAN from Lyn P. Baird:
From: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Williamson Rainey
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:21:58 EDT
All, Barbara Neal inquires who is Williamson Rainey, Sr., neighboring
landowner to Lewis POYTHRESS in his 1845 land sale. I have not fully
researched Williamson, but this is what I know of him:
Williamson is the son of Francis RAINEY of Brunswick Co. Williamson
was born between 1760 and 1770 and married Edith MORGAN in Mecklenburg
in 1779, daughter of Reuben MORGAN. Williamson was a Revolutionary
soldier and a Christian layman instrumental in establishing the
Methodist sect in eastern Mecklenburg. His will was probated in
Mecklenburg in 1847. He is buried on his farm near the headwaters of
Great Creek of the Roanoke, just off Gaulding Road in Mecklenburg, and
his grave is marked by a stone erected in 1967 by the DAR. I am the
fifth-great-grandson of Williamson, Sr. through his daughter Elizabeth
who married John B. KIDD of Mecklenburg.
Regards, LPB
Re the above-mentioned 1845 sale, the citation for this one as shown in
the Grantors' Index, is Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 31, p.605. The
document is given more fully in part of this message from Maynard, which
Baird & I were discussing back in July 1997:
From: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Williamson Rainey
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
Bill of Sale
Lewis Poythress to Lewis Y. Poythress & Thomas Poythress
September 14, 1845
Know all men by these presents that I Lewis Poythress, Jr. [Bpn
note: I think this was later corrected to "Sr."] for and consideration
of my natural estimation and love for my two youngest [?] sons Lewis and
Thomas Poythress and in the further consideration of the sum of one
dollar to me in hand paid by them the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged do give unto my sons above named one tract of land
containing by estimation one hundred forty acres bounded as follows
(viz) by the land of Charles D. Chalam [Bpn note: "Chalam" was corrected
later to Charles D. Cleaton] and John Giles and DAVID POYTHRESS,
WILLIAMSON RAINEY SR. together with one yoke of oxen, one cow and calf,
oxcart, one box of furniture, forever free from the claim or claims of
all and any person whatsoever upon the condition however that my said
sons Lewis and Thomas do bond themselves to keep me the said Lewis
Poythress and my wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of
our lives from the adversity of the above land and other property. In
testimony whereof I have here unto set my hand and seal this 14th day of
September, 1845.
Lewis Poythress
Lewis Y. Poythress
Thomas M. Poythress
(Deed recorded Clerk of Mecklenburg, R. B. Baptist, 14 Sept. 1845)
[Bpn note: Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 31, p.605]
06/01/2004 12:06:57
Citation for 1837 Deed
Thank you, BPN, for the citation to the 1852 Deed between David Poythress
and Charles Cleaton and especially reposting those past messages.
The citation for the Deed between David Poythress and John Perkinson dated
25 Sept. 1837 is: Mecklenburg County Deed Book 7, 1836-1838. (It is on Reel 13,
pages 331, 332 in the Salt Lake City archives) and was recorded 16 Sept.
1837.
To wit: Perkinson sold to David Poythress on Sept 14, 1837 a parcel of 100
acres
which was "bounded as follow on the south and west by the land of
WILLIAMSON
RAINEY SR. on the north by the land of Lewis Poythress and on the east by
the
land of Leonard Thomas."
Best, Barbara (BPW)
06/02/2004 7:44:07
Rainey
John M. Poythress
Below posted on Rootsweb Dinwiddie County Board:
Rainey or Raney, Blandford Cemetery, Petersburg,VA
Author: HERBERT RAINEY
K6fiuc9o2U_bdx1_5VFgV-&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3F
htx%3Dmessage%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.virginia.coun
ties.dinwiddie%26m%3D431> Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:18 PM GMT
Surnames: Rainey, Raney
Classification: Query
Seeking information on any Rainey or Raney buried in historic Blandford
Cemetery located in Petersburg, Virginia.
There are at least 88 Rainey buried in the cemetery. Pictures being
taken of all the tombstones, need family history information.
06/03/2004 3:17:04
George, Joseph, Charles
Michael Tutor
Re: George, Joseph and Charles Poythress:
In my records, I have noticed that William Cryer was the executor of Charles Poythress' property upon Charles' death in 1772. William Cryer, Sr., and William Cryer, Jr., had adjoining property to Joseph Poythress in Amelia/Prince George counties in 1764.
The earliest record that I have for Joseph is a 1737 deed in Prince George county. For Charles, the earliest record that I have is his 1739 Henrico county marriage to Catherine Crawford, daughter of Elizabeth Claiborne Crawforth Anderson. The earliest record that I have of George Poythress is the will of his mother, Elizabeth, in 1739, in Prince George county.
Charles Poythress had a son, John, born about 1740. John's existence is first mentioned in the 1759 will of his grandmother, Elizabeth Claiborne Crawforth Anderson.
Charles is involved in a land deed with a John Poythress in September, 1738, in Prince George county. John and Charles are involved in a land deed with Francis Poythress, gentleman, in September, 1738, in Prince George county. This Francis Poythress is the son of Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft.
Charles appears on a jury in August, 1739, in Prince George county, with Joshua, Robert and Thomas Poythress.
Based on these records, Joseph was born by 1716, Charles by 1717 and George by 1718.
In all probability, these three Poythresses must be sons of the third generation of Poythresses in this country....unless they are new arrivals. Possible candidates for father of one or all three:
Edmund Poythress appears in February, 1739, regarding the death of his father, David Poythress, of Bristol parish, Prince George county. Edmund was born by 1718. It would seem that David Poythress would be ruled out as the husband of Elizabeth Poythress, deceased, due to her son, George representing her in her will of February, 1739. If David wasn't Elizabeth's husband, he wasn't George's father.
The only children ever listed for Francis Poythress, son of John(2), and Hannah Ravenscroft are Francis Poythress, Jr., gentleman, and an unknown daughter that married a Claiborne. This Frances was not George's father.
John Poythress and Mary Batte, supposedly, did not have any children. If, in fact, they had children and one of them was a Thomas, as in Batte's chart, this would add at least one more candidate to be father of these Poythresses. In Dorman's 4th edition of Adventurers of Purse and Person, he shows Robert Poythress as husband of Elizabeth Cocke.
Francis Poythress and Thomas Poythress, sons of Francis(2), would be possible candidates to be the father of one or all three of these Poythresses. In that case, one of them was married to Elizabeth Poythress.
I'm sure that all of this raises more questions than it could possibly answer. It is interesting to see these three new names show up...However, I have seen Joseph and Joshua used interchangeably...The name, George, does not show up again for two generations until Thomas James and Martha Patsy Poythress name one of their sons, George...George's mother, Elizabeth Poythress, of the 1739 will, is not Elizabeth Cocke Poythress, as Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was mentioned in her mother's will of 1751....Finally, I have seen on one web site where a Sarah Poythress (1746- ), of Surry county, might have been the wife of a Robert Cryer..............Mike
06/04/2004 3:45:44
6/6/04
Michael Tutor
In the Henrico County records, Will Book 1, is mentioned the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated August 9, 1751, which was probated the first Monday in July, 1752. In it, is mention of her daughter, Elizabeth Portriss, her grandson, William Fleming Cocke, her granddaughters, Rebecca, Ann and Tabitha Cocke, and her son, James Cocke, who is named the executor of her will. Elizabeth Cocke was the wife of James Cocke and her maiden name was Pleasants. Batte seemed to believe that Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was married to Thomas Poythress, son of John(3) and grandson of John(2). Dorman, in his 4th edition of Adventurers of Purse and Person, believes that Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was married to Robert Poythress.
According to the Prince George County court records, July, 1801, it is stated that by her will, Elizabeth Cocke, bequeathed to Elizabeth Cocke the plantation she bought of Richard Harrison, which was a 400 acre tract of land that included 100 acres of land adjoining it known by the name of the "Woodyard." Elizabeth Cocke bequeathed to James Cocke the land that she inherited, due to the death of her brother, John Poythress, that was called Goodwine, and the land that she purchased from John Worthen. She also bequeathed to Benjamin Cocke the remainder of Woodyard, minus the 300 acres she left to her daugher, Elizabeth." [Woodyard is described as being 12 miles east of Prince George courthouse and located between Hoggs Island and Smith's Fort].
06/06/2004 8:13:19
RE: Elizabeth Cocke
John M. Poythress
At least that's the construction Batte puts on it. If you have Diana's
"enhanced" chart (where she amends the chart using the cards) that's how
she fills it in, strange though it may seem. Diana, of course, is not
"creating" anything, only reconstructing Batte's material. The only
"enhancement" is to amend the chart using the cards.
If you don't have this version of the chart I've got several extras and
would be happy to drop you one in the mail.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 2:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Elizabeth Cocke
In the Henrico County records, Will Book 1, is mentioned the Will of
Elizabeth Cocke, dated August 9, 1751, which was probated the first
Monday in July, 1752. In it, is mention of her daughter, Elizabeth
Portriss, her grandson, William Fleming Cocke, her granddaughters,
Rebecca, Ann and Tabitha Cocke, and her son, James Cocke, who is named
the executor of her will. Elizabeth Cocke was the wife of James Cocke
and her maiden name was Pleasants. Batte seemed to believe that
Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was married to Thomas Poythress, son of
John(3) and grandson of John(2). Dorman, in his 4th edition of
Adventurers of Purse and Person, believes that Elizabeth Cocke Poythress
was married to Robert Poythress. I am not how Dorman made this
connection.
According to the Prince George County court records, July, 1801, it is
stated that Elizabeth Cocke, in her Will, bequeathed to Elizabeth Cocke
the plantation she bought from Richard Harrison, which was a 400 acre
tract of land that included 100 acres of land adjoining it known by the
name of Woodyard. Secondly, Elizabeth Cocke bequeathed to James Cocke
the land that she inherited, due to the death of her brother, John
Poythress, that was called Goodwine. She also left James the land that
she purchased from John Worthen. Finally, Elizabeth bequeathed to
Benjamin Cocke the remainder of Woodyard, minus the 300 acres that she
left to her daugher, Elizabeth." [Woodyard was about 12 miles east of
the Prince George County courthouse, between Hoggs Island and Smith's
Fort]. The Elizabeth Cocke that left this will would seem to be a
daughter of the Elizabeth Poythress mentioned in the first deed
above....in other words, an Elizabeth Poythress Cocke....and, possibly,
a wife of another!
James Cocke.............Mike
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06/06/2004 8:56:17
Elizabeth Cocke
Michael Tutor
In the Henrico County records, Will Book 1, is mentioned the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated August 9, 1751, which was probated the first Monday in July, 1752. In it, is mention of her daughter, Elizabeth Portriss, her grandson, William Fleming Cocke, her granddaughters, Rebecca, Ann and Tabitha Cocke, and her son, James Cocke, who is named the executor of her will. Elizabeth Cocke was the wife of James Cocke and her maiden name was Pleasants. Batte seemed to believe that Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was married to Thomas Poythress, son of John(3) and grandson of John(2). Dorman, in his 4th edition of Adventurers of Purse and Person, believes that Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was married to Robert Poythress. I am not how Dorman made this connection.
According to the Prince George County court records, July, 1801, it is stated that Elizabeth Cocke, in her Will, bequeathed to Elizabeth Cocke the plantation she bought from Richard Harrison, which was a 400 acre tract of land that included 100 acres of land adjoining it known by the name of Woodyard. Secondly, Elizabeth Cocke bequeathed to James Cocke the land that she inherited, due to the death of her brother, John Poythress, that was called Goodwine. She also left James the land that she purchased from John Worthen. Finally, Elizabeth bequeathed to Benjamin Cocke the remainder of Woodyard, minus the 300 acres that she left to her daugher, Elizabeth." [Woodyard was about 12 miles east of the Prince George County courthouse, between Hoggs Island and Smith's Fort]. The Elizabeth Cocke that left this will would seem to be a daughter of the Elizabeth Poythress mentioned in the first deed above....in other words, an Elizabeth Poythress Cocke....and, possibly, a wife of another!
James Cocke.............Mike
06/06/2004 9:06:42
Flowerdew Hundred
John M. Poythress
I have the paperwork for Flowerdew Hundred's "Decendants' Gathering"
scheduled for August 21st.
I'm not sure what they can do to fill up the time from the scheduled 9AM
to 4PM but I am told by previous attendants that the
affair is well worth taking in. Cost is $3 for members and $6 for
non-members; sounds reasonable to me.
Flowerdew says they will have genealogical information available for all
the families of Flowerdew, of which Poythress is one.
If anyone is interested in going...or even in looking over the
paperwork, send me your snailmail address (if I don't already have it)
and I'll be happy to forward the literature to you.
Maynard
06/08/2004 2:10:01
RE: Flowerdew Hundred
John M. Poythress
Gee, Mike, I don't know, I've never been. The paperwork had no comment
one way or the other. My guess would be that they aren't exactly mobbed
and if they took pay at the gate last year they'll likely do so again.
You can always call that Dennis Pickeral guy at FdH and ask
(804-541-8897).
You can drive up "on spec"; I'm not sure I'd try it from Louisville.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:31 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Flowerdew Hundred
Maynard,
I take it that we can't pay at the gate this year?.........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Flowerdew Hundred
> I have the paperwork for Flowerdew Hundred's "Decendants' Gathering"
> scheduled for August 21st.
>
> I'm not sure what they can do to fill up the time from the scheduled
9AM
> to 4PM but I am told by previous attendants that the
> affair is well worth taking in. Cost is $3 for members and $6 for
> non-members; sounds reasonable to me.
>
> Flowerdew says they will have genealogical information available for
all
> the families of Flowerdew, of which Poythress is one.
>
> If anyone is interested in going...or even in looking over the
> paperwork, send me your snailmail address (if I don't already have it)
> and I'll be happy to forward the literature to you.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
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06/09/2004 3:58:14
Re: Flowerdew Hundred
Michael Tutor
Maynard,
I take it that we can't pay at the gate this year?.........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Flowerdew Hundred
> I have the paperwork for Flowerdew Hundred's "Decendants' Gathering"
> scheduled for August 21st.
>
> I'm not sure what they can do to fill up the time from the scheduled 9AM
> to 4PM but I am told by previous attendants that the
> affair is well worth taking in. Cost is $3 for members and $6 for
> non-members; sounds reasonable to me.
>
> Flowerdew says they will have genealogical information available for all
> the families of Flowerdew, of which Poythress is one.
>
> If anyone is interested in going...or even in looking over the
> paperwork, send me your snailmail address (if I don't already have it)
> and I'll be happy to forward the literature to you.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
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>
06/09/2004 12:31:17
Fw: Interesting Connection re:Wall
Albert Tims
Message
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray and Mary Ellen Walls
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Interesting Connection re:Wall
Dear ?;
There may be a connection between your Wall and my Wall? Your comments are:
[Comment: There is another Brunswick will for a John Wall dated 22 Feb 1758, and probated 23 May 1758. This will names no wife, but does name children Burgess, Martha Moore, David, Mary, Robert, George, John, Ann, and Charles. "Land is given to sons as follows: Robert, 11 & 40 acres; John, land in Halifax Co." Just who this John Wall was is a complete mystery! He was obviously not as wealthy as his supposed kin of our line. Other Wall wills or administrations supposedly in the Brunswick County records are those for Daniel Wall (intestate, 1736) and William Wall (will, 1751). These are available to me in our local library.]
Perhaps you've solved several mysteries! There is a will of an Adam Wall, Augusta, VA, dated 1761, which states "to my brother's son, John, ...". Apparently, this Adam Wall did not marry. As he also names his sister, Apel (Apple?), and his brother, Joseph. Mary Kegley and her father, noted historians and genealogist of Blacksburg, Va, have document the Wall's of Montgomery Co. very thoroughly. The origin of Adam Wall is that he immigrated to the US in 1738; his brother, Conrad, arrived in 1737. The arrival of John Wall has never been determined.
It has always been thought that Adam and Conrad Wall immigrated from the Palatinate are of Germany as they settled in New River Settlement - primarily German and Irish. Kegley documents three generations of "John Wall". The second John (referred to as SR), had a son, Daniel Wall, who married Sarah Harless (documented German origin). In addition, this John had a son named William along with several other children.
So, you see, you probably have solve my mystery!
I'd like to hear your comments!
Ray Walls (VN vet), m. Mary E Potts
J.W.Walls (WWII vet), m. Mary P. Merket
Jesse W. Walls (WWI vet), m. Bertha Peach
William T. Walls, m. Martha Carlisle
William W. Walls (wounded at Shiloh), m. Mary E Cooper
Henry Walls, m. Dicey Carpenter
Daniel Wall (KIA, War of 1812), m. Sarah Harless
John Wall, Sr (Patriot), m. Sarah ?
06/11/2004 6:30:46
Francis Poythress- 1764 - VA & GA
While working on my Claiborne line, I ran across this from the Virginia
Gazette:
1775 - Virginia Gazette:
"To be sold on Monday 6 November, if fair, otherwise next fair day at the
plantation of MR. JOHN WALTON, near Augusta town, in Georgia, Several Slaves
being residue of all those formerly in possession of MR. LEONARD CLAIBORNE
which were of the estate of FRANCIS POYTHRESS, dec'd. and condemned to the
plaintiffs in a suit in chancery 15 October 1764. Six months credit will be allowed
the purchasers giving bond with approved security. WILLIAM GLASCOCK"
Augusta town was then located in Richmond Co Georgia in 1775 , when the above
advertisement was printed and is still today located there. It is also
bounded by BURKE CO. GA...a place where I believe a THOMAS POYTHRESS appeared. I
think that the referred Chancery suit took place in Virginia.
Is anyone familiar with the Chancery Suit appearing to have been resolved in
Oct 1764 against the estate of Francis Poythress? Which Francis Poythress
would this suit refer?
Dorman has listed in his book that Leonard Claiborne married the daughter of
Francis (d. 1738) and Hannah Ravenscroft Poythress and some researchers
believe that daughter to be Elizabeth(1) b. 1729 listed in the Bristol Parish
records as dau of Francis & Hannah. Dorman further stated that Leonard and unlisted
name of daughter of Francis and Hannah, produced a daughter name Elizabeth(2)
who in turn married a John Walton.
I have also found:
1)"Ga Marriage Records to 1850 "Richmond Co. Ga- 15 Feb. 1769 Betsy Clayborne
to John Walton.
Other information on Waltons in GA indicate that he was a surveyor for
Richmond County Ga and was there though 1800. A Census of 1820 finds a John Walton
in Richmond Co.
2) Glascock is listed in several deeds in Richmond Co Ga as S.J(probably Ct
Justice). The name is also mentioned in deeds regarding FRANCIS POYTHRESS in
1760 in Amelia Co VA, ie; From Poythress website and thanks to J. M. Poythress
& Tim:
Book 7, pg. 361
Deed. Jun. 19, 1760 from Matthew Ornsby of A, to William Glascock of
Dinwiddie County, for 100L, a certain tract of land of about 400 acres in A. on both
sides of Butterwood Cr and bounded by John Lewis, Haynes, North Branch, George
Lewis, Steger, Hood. Signed - Matthew Ornsby. Wit- Francis Poythress, John
Poythress, James Hinton, John Hightower, Jr., Edmund Poythress. Recorded Nov. 27,
1760.
3) Leonard Claiborne received land grants in GEORGIA in Sept 1769 but was
already there as he is mentioned as owning land next to Castleberry in March.
As of this moment, I do not know which of the multiple Leonard Claiborne's in
the area of Virginia (Prince George, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg & Amelia)that this
Leonard could be related to, however it appears from these records that
Dorman's theory might be correct.
So which Francis Poythress died abt 1760 in Va and would have had a Chancery
suit filed against his estate? (I was not able to find any listed at the LVA
site)
Thanks for your help.
Mary Jean
06/12/2004 4:26:48
RE: Stainback/Woodleif
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Maynard,
I looked it up in Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman's book and this is correct,
George did have a brother named Edward, b. abt. 1652 VA and he married Sarah
Pollard.
William Stainback is mentioned in several places in her book, mostly as
witness to Edward Woodlief's Will dated 26 Sept. 1718. In his own will
(William Stainback) where John Woodlief was witness and John Woodlief, Jr.,
Peter Wynne and Thomas Poythress are listed to appraise the estate.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
This message appeared on the Virginia Southside Rootsweb board in an
entirely different context (a discussion of headrights) but since we
have both surnames in the tree thought I'd pass them along.
Maynard
Not meaning to be repetitious....but the same happened to my William
Stainbacke. The first appearance of William Stainbacke in any county
records is
when he was claimed as a headright by George Woodlief in August of 1690
in
Charles City Co., VA. In looking at the names of the other headrights,
I find a
Sarah Pollard who is said to have married Edward Woodleif ( I believe
George
Woodleif's brother) in June of 1690..some three months before she was
claimed as
a headright. From this it can be assumed that Sarah Pollard, William
Stainbacke, as well as possibly the rest from that list had arrived much
earlier.
In addition, William Stainbacke provided a bond for 30,000 pounds of
tobacco along with Mary Reevs and Thomas Lewis for the estate
administration of
Timothy Reevs in October of 1692. I don't think that William Stainbacke
could
have been indentured in 1690, worked off his indenture, and within two
years
have compiled enough property and money to help post a 30,000 lb tobacco
bond.
As a result, I put William Stainbacke's "arrival" in the new world at
circa
1680-1685. Paul.....would this be a reasonable conclusion???
06/12/2004 4:42:41
Stainback/Woodleif
John M. Poythress
This message appeared on the Virginia Southside Rootsweb board in an
entirely different context (a discussion of headrights) but since we
have both surnames in the tree thought I'd pass them along.
Maynard
Not meaning to be repetitious....but the same happened to my William
Stainbacke. The first appearance of William Stainbacke in any county
records is
when he was claimed as a headright by George Woodlief in August of 1690
in
Charles City Co., VA. In looking at the names of the other headrights,
I find a
Sarah Pollard who is said to have married Edward Woodleif ( I believe
George
Woodleif's brother) in June of 1690..some three months before she was
claimed as
a headright. From this it can be assumed that Sarah Pollard, William
Stainbacke, as well as possibly the rest from that list had arrived much
earlier.
In addition, William Stainbacke provided a bond for 30,000 pounds of
tobacco along with Mary Reevs and Thomas Lewis for the estate
administration of
Timothy Reevs in October of 1692. I don't think that William Stainbacke
could
have been indentured in 1690, worked off his indenture, and within two
years
have compiled enough property and money to help post a 30,000 lb tobacco
bond.
As a result, I put William Stainbacke's "arrival" in the new world at
circa
1680-1685. Paul.....would this be a reasonable conclusion???
06/12/2004 4:59:17
PILI
John M. Poythress
Some guy on the Virginia Southside page is putting on a first rate
clinic. See below.
Below comments have implications for some of PILI's (Passenger and
Immigrants List whatever) material. No, seven Francises didn't come
from England to VA. One or more Francises went back to England 7 times
to import more headrights.
I have grown exceptionally cynical about PILI anyway. It is so
chock-a-block in dreary repetitions that it appears to be on the order
of a minor league scam to sell a new batch of supplemental volumes to
libraries each year.
I found this informative. The post also offers another possibility for
a reason Thomas Poythress was shipped back to England.
Maynard
Quote:
On the issue of headrights for the same person appearing more than once.
It is important to remember that the ships didn't go back to england
empty.
It was common for men of the 1650-1715 period to make one or two
additiional
trips back to England for family or mercantile affairs. Upon returning
to
Virginia the traveler would generate a new headright for his name.
A typical event of 1680 would be:
30 or so landowners, craftsmen and merchants of York County Virgnia
would get
together and pick some competent member of their group to act as agent
for
them. He would be given letters of credit, powers of attorney, and
other
commissions to perform on behalf of his neighbors. The ship he traveled
on to
England might have many hogshead of tobacco or cords of timber belonging
to his
neighbors which he was under instructions to sell in England. It might
even have
several bundles of furs purchased from the Indians. He might be
accompanied by
several young children of his neighbors and he would have moneys given
him to
establish accounts at the best english or scottish schools for the
education
of the children. He would personaly see them established at their
school in
control of the headmaster. He would sell the tobacco or timber and
collect the
letter of credit or cash. He might then visit the taverns and tea
houses and
jails and cast about to recruit some new servants for his neighbors in
Virginia since their old servants terms of service were routinely
expiring. He might
visit the market streets of London and purchase in bulk, bulding
hardware
like locksets and hinges, coloring agents for glazes needed by potters
and
glaziers, quality cloth not available in Virginia. He would carefully
record all of
the accounts, income and expenses - gather his new servants and recruits
and
book passage back to Virginia. When he got back to VA he was
repsonsible for
generating his own headright as well as the headrights of the servants
he
brought with him, but as has already been pointed out the eventual
claimant of
those headrights is whoever eventually pays him the cash for them. If
he is a
shrewed businessman he gets a bulk rate for his servants passage and
sells their
headrights and his own to some landowner looking to expand his land
holding
upon arrival in Virginia. He makes a profit on the deal. He reports to
his
neighbors on the circumstances of their children, parcels out the
servants, pays
the landowners their moneys from the sale of their tobacco and timber,
turns
over the incoming shipment of hardware to the carpenters and other
specialty
items from london merchants to his neghboring craftsman and merchants
and gets
paid for them at a profit.
Sounds like a lot of work and time consuming, but a study of Virginia
patents
will show that many of the wealthy landowners did exactly that at least
a
couple of times in their live and the reason is becasue when you are in
charge of
the books it is easy to make a profit. Thats how they got rich
06/12/2004 5:10:43
RE: Francis Poythress- 1764 - VA & GA
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean, I don't have an answer to your specific question in your last
paragraph.
However, I don't have any evidence to link the Francis Poythress of
Wilkes/Greene County to a Francis who died in Amelia about 1760,
although being a son is certainly a possibility. And it's certain that
whomever the Francis Poythress of Greene County was, he is not the SAME
fellow that died in Amelia about 1760. FP of Greene County (see
webpage, Time Lines, Charts, etc.) is recorded in tax documents and
other material as being in Greene County 1785-1794, the surname appears
in similar documents until 1801 but a given name is not cited; I think
we might assume it's the same Francis but there is no proof.
Greene County is about 50 mi. due W. of Richmond County and is indeed
the direction of "expansion" for those in the "river" counties.
Everything north and east would have been South Carolina, an already
settled and established colony long before Georgia and likely without
available huge amounts of land for grants to settlers as in Georgia.
This is the era in which Georgia was incrementally "negotiating" for
huge parcels of Creek Nation land and awarding it to Georgia citizens
via a series of land lotteries lasting from 1803 all the way into the
1830's.
The appearance in Greene County of a Hardaman Poythress hints strongly
at the Virginia connection if the surname itself were not enough. This
family has some marriages with the Wagnon family (an association from
back in Virginia) in Greene County and about 1820 a Thomas Poythress
Wagnon appears in Burke County. He ultimately moves to Tennessee.
While undoubtedly in the same overall family, I have found nothing that
would link Francis Poythress of Greene County (or a Francis of any other
county) to Thomas Poythress of Burke County. I think we are fairly sure
that the Thomas of Burke County came from Brunswick County, VA based on
the church and tax records there.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis Poythress- 1764 - VA & GA
While working on my Claiborne line, I ran across this from the Virginia
Gazette:
1775 - Virginia Gazette:
"To be sold on Monday 6 November, if fair, otherwise next fair day at
the
plantation of MR. JOHN WALTON, near Augusta town, in Georgia, Several
Slaves
being residue of all those formerly in possession of MR. LEONARD
CLAIBORNE
which were of the estate of FRANCIS POYTHRESS, dec'd. and condemned to
the
plaintiffs in a suit in chancery 15 October 1764. Six months credit will
be allowed
the purchasers giving bond with approved security. WILLIAM GLASCOCK"
Augusta town was then located in Richmond Co Georgia in 1775 , when the
above
advertisement was printed and is still today located there. It is also
bounded by BURKE CO. GA...a place where I believe a THOMAS POYTHRESS
appeared. I
think that the referred Chancery suit took place in Virginia.
Is anyone familiar with the Chancery Suit appearing to have been
resolved in
Oct 1764 against the estate of Francis Poythress? Which Francis
Poythress
would this suit refer?
Dorman has listed in his book that Leonard Claiborne married the
daughter of
Francis (d. 1738) and Hannah Ravenscroft Poythress and some researchers
believe that daughter to be Elizabeth(1) b. 1729 listed in the Bristol
Parish
records as dau of Francis & Hannah. Dorman further stated that Leonard
and unlisted
name of daughter of Francis and Hannah, produced a daughter name
Elizabeth(2)
who in turn married a John Walton.
I have also found:
1)"Ga Marriage Records to 1850 "Richmond Co. Ga- 15 Feb. 1769 Betsy
Clayborne
to John Walton.
Other information on Waltons in GA indicate that he was a surveyor for
Richmond County Ga and was there though 1800. A Census of 1820 finds a
John Walton
in Richmond Co.
2) Glascock is listed in several deeds in Richmond Co Ga as S.J(probably
Ct
Justice). The name is also mentioned in deeds regarding FRANCIS
POYTHRESS in
1760 in Amelia Co VA, ie; From Poythress website and thanks to J. M.
Poythress
& Tim:
Book 7, pg. 361
Deed. Jun. 19, 1760 from Matthew Ornsby of A, to William Glascock of
Dinwiddie County, for 100L, a certain tract of land of about 400 acres
in A. on both
sides of Butterwood Cr and bounded by John Lewis, Haynes, North Branch,
George
Lewis, Steger, Hood. Signed - Matthew Ornsby. Wit- Francis Poythress,
John
Poythress, James Hinton, John Hightower, Jr., Edmund Poythress. Recorded
Nov. 27,
1760.
3) Leonard Claiborne received land grants in GEORGIA in Sept 1769 but
was
already there as he is mentioned as owning land next to Castleberry in
March.
As of this moment, I do not know which of the multiple Leonard
Claiborne's in
the area of Virginia (Prince George, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg & Amelia)that
this
Leonard could be related to, however it appears from these records that
Dorman's theory might be correct.
So which Francis Poythress died abt 1760 in Va and would have had a
Chancery
suit filed against his estate? (I was not able to find any listed at the
LVA
site)
Thanks for your help.
Mary Jean
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06/13/2004 5:16:48
Re: Fw: Interesting Connection re:Wall
The NC Walls (Steve and Walter Ashe)are aware of this John Wall and have a copy of his will. He is as much of a mystery to us as to you. When one reads the two wills it seems they were written by the same lawyer for two John Walls who lived in the same community and were contemporaries. We are reasonably sure this new John is not our line but could be a relative. Our line goes back two more generations to the John Wall who died in 1663 and m. Elizabeth ?. It would be great if we could establish that these two were relatives.
If anyone is interested I would be glad to send our Wall line out (again), which Lou Poole and others of this group have contributed to over the past four or five years.
Al, is Mr. Ray Wall on the Poythress list? If not, could you forward this message to him?
Steve
06/13/2004 8:42:27
Re: Francis Poythress- 1764 - VA & GA
Thank you for your reply Maynard, however I apologize for not writing a
clearer query. First, as you know I am new in researching this Poythress line but
have been researching other lines for some 20 years now. Clearly all that
time is beginning to muddle my mind. Georgia is one I have spent much time in
archives, court houses and its history. I quite never expected to have another
of my multiple familles end up there but apparently they did. In fact, all of
my direct families in the US started in Va went either to Ga or NC and some
when back to Va...all in a span of a 150 years!
Now for what I was trying to explain initially regarding the Virginia Gazette
advertisement. The Gazette sold advertisements such as I listed from all
areas of the county that was viable at that time. That ad placed by William
Glascock was I believe to sell the slaves once owned by Leonard Claiborne (of Va &
Ga) and showing clear title to those slaves as referenced by the Chancery
Suit of 1764 against the estate of Francis Poythress. He was advertising in
Virginia because the slaves were obtained there and because there were
Virginians' families who might be interested in purchasing and also their were Virginia
families who were indeed in Georgia at that time. I think,as I believe
Dorman did ,that the VA Gazette ad, reflects that Leonard Claiborne(of Prince
George/Brunswick Va etc) had gone to Ga with a Poythress wife who was related to
Francis Poythress dec'd (of Prince George/Dinwiddie/Brunswick)and obtained the
slaves via the Chancery suit against the estate that was settled in 1764.
Leonard, I believe, had given the slaves to his daughter Betsy/Elizabeth via her
husband John Walton, and now they were being sold because of either debt by
Walton or money need by Walton.
The other point was that a William Glascock of Dinwiddie Co Va bought land
from Ornsby of Amelia co on Butterwood Creek in 1760 and the witnesses to that
deed included Francis Poythress, John Poythress and Edmund Poythress. This may
be the same William Glascock who placed the ad in the Virginia Gazette.
Leonard Claiborne received grants for land in Ga. as any earlier Poythress
family members prior to 1803 via a headright system, which entitled each head of
a family to 200 acres and 50 acres for each additional member of his family
up to 1000 acres. This was an Open invitation to "Come one an all to
Georgia". The land had to be surveyed, certified, a grant had to be issued and
registered by a certain time frame.
Records show he was there in March of 1769 and was granted land in St. Paul's
Parish in Sept of 1769 for 850 acres (meaning 200 for him and he had 13
family members). Thus by 1769 he had completed the grant procedure. For several
reasons, too lengthy to go into here, obtaining land in Ga. was changed to a
lottery system after 1803. Georgia had operated a bit differently from Virginia's
early land acquisitions. Those 13 family members could include relatives
living with Leonard that could have been Poythress family. Besides his wife, and
perhaps a child or two there seems no evidence that he had enough children to
account for that number.
Regarding Georgia County locations--Georgia began in Savannah area much like
Virginia began in Jamestown. We gradually conquered and obtained lands and
moved west & north etc. Eight parishes were formed in 1735 that included St.
Paul's' between what is now Savannah and now Augusta. By 1765 four more parishes
were formed and eventually counties so called such as Greene in 1786 from
Washington County which was formed in 1784 from ceded land from the Creek
Indians. Believe me these "counties" were all close enough for these people to
travel and settle and still be related. You probably already know all this but you
might enjoy looking at this early map of the area circa 1763 :
http://www.libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/1763w7.jpg
So I present this theory regarding some Poythress families arriving in
Georgia. They could have come from Virginia with Leonard and his Poythress wife,
who appears to have been the daughter of Francis (dec 1738) and Hannah, named
Elizabeth b. 1729 in Bristol Parish records. Unless of course someone can
suggest another Francis Poythress who might fit the scenario.
The Francis Poythress in your timeline doesn't begin until 1785 some 16 years
after Leonard Claiborne and his Poythress wife arrived there based on the
records and tho he was at least 21 to own land his birth would have been abt 1764
or perhaps earlier since there are no records earlier to view. Regarding
Thomas Poythress I totally agree and think they all came from VA.
Sorry for such a lengthy note. Thank you again for all you have offered and
done.
Mary Jean
1775 - Virginia Gazette:
"To be sold on Monday 6 November, if fair, otherwise next fair day at the
plantation of MR. JOHN WALTON, near Augusta town, in Georgia, Several Slaves
being residue of all those formerly in possession of MR. LEONARD CLAIBORNE
which were of the estate of FRANCIS POYTHRESS, dec'd. and condemned to the
plaintiffs in a suit in chancery 15 October 1764. Six months credit will be allowed
the purchasers giving bond with approved security. WILLIAM GLASCOCK"
06/13/2004 10:23:38
Re: Flowerdew Hundred
Debbie Miller
Hello Everyone! Just a few clarifications on the Third Annual Descendant's
Gathering at Flowerdew Hundred. We will be accepting admission at the
entrance and we would be grateful if everyone in attendance would pay in
this manner, rather than sending checks. It is possible that we will be very
busy in the morning (the first year we had a line out the door) so we do ask
that you remain patient with us while we are registering everyone.
The day will consist of information sharing, tours or the museum, and
driving tours of the property. We are also attempting to arrange two
speakers for the afternoon, but arrangements are still incomplete. A
catered lunch will also be available for purchase.
If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact us at
flowerdew@firstsaga.com or at 804-541-8897. And a great thanks to Maynard
for providing free press!
Sincerely,
Deborah Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: Flowerdew Hundred
> Gee, Mike, I don't know, I've never been. The paperwork had no comment
> one way or the other. My guess would be that they aren't exactly mobbed
> and if they took pay at the gate last year they'll likely do so again.
> You can always call that Dennis Pickeral guy at FdH and ask
> (804-541-8897).
>
> You can drive up "on spec"; I'm not sure I'd try it from Louisville.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:31 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Flowerdew Hundred
>
> Maynard,
>
> I take it that we can't pay at the gate this year?.........Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:10 PM
> Subject: Flowerdew Hundred
>
>
> > I have the paperwork for Flowerdew Hundred's "Decendants' Gathering"
> > scheduled for August 21st.
> >
> > I'm not sure what they can do to fill up the time from the scheduled
> 9AM
> > to 4PM but I am told by previous attendants that the
> > affair is well worth taking in. Cost is $3 for members and $6 for
> > non-members; sounds reasonable to me.
> >
> > Flowerdew says they will have genealogical information available for
> all
> > the families of Flowerdew, of which Poythress is one.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in going...or even in looking over the
> > paperwork, send me your snailmail address (if I don't already have it)
> > and I'll be happy to forward the literature to you.
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
> >
> >
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06/14/2004 3:40:47
Pocahontas & her Descendent Bollings, et al
Hi Pocas & Bollings, et al,
Here are a few contemporaneous emails w/some potential crossover value for
all the Lines: Rolfe, Bollings, Poythress, Poca & The Lost Colony, and others.
It is becoming more & more difficult to isolate some of those messages to a
single List, especially for those which identify early ancestors.
Please keep these few facts in mind: There are just 20 yrs and 100 miles of
interior water travel miles separating The Lost Colony (~1587) & Jamestown
(1607), and there are some decent clues that there were Lost Colony survivors.
While Genealogy is helpful, it is more & more appearing that dna will be the
dispositive tool for resolving this puzzlement.
What think you? - all of you?
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: BOLLING-D Digest V04 #8
Hi, The list seems dead, and I feel that way at times. I do have more to
put on the list and will soon.
Thanks to those of you who did answer me earlier. I did lose some of the
names (email addresses) of those who answered me when my harddisk went under.
I'm the guy who said I will document where I get something, and I will. The
biggest mess may be the Pocahontas and her Descendents' Bollings. Be sure they
existed, as did the Blue Bollings. I have worked hard to prove or disprove
statements made by Judge Price and Wyndham Robertson.
Regarding James Murray : Is it proven that the James Murray you mention has
children of the names listed in PD?
Regarding the Pittsylvania Tax list in 1767. Yes there were several different
people who were assigned an area to collect taxs, and there was another John
Bolling, in one area, and a John and a William in another, and an Arch.
Bollings in another. And of course the area of Leatherwood which contained
Christopher Bolling and his sons. Anyone interested in this? I'll post it if
wanted.
Regarding the Col. John Bolling of Albemarle in 1763 or 64, yes to your
question. He is an older John Bolling. The creeks stood still and the counties
changed names several times. You have to look in 3 counties, and the court
records, see the road records.
Regarding the John Bolling of Chesterfield County who died in 1757, no, I
don't think his family were the Blue Bollings. His family is the one on the
will.
Nor do I think his father is another John Bolling. Nor was his will recorded,
it is a transcript which was recorded.
Sorry to answer all of you this way. Lost my harddrive.
______________________________
Hi all, As I said earlier, my (new) harddrive bit the dust. Some of you had
sent me email which was lost. Sorry.
I do have some information to post in the next few days as I can split the
time. My efforts have been to search the counties and records for existing
records. As you all know, the records disagree with much of the information in
modern genealogies. For example I have been unable to show that Bolling ever had
a thing to do with Pocahontas. The 1698 deed to Wm Browne was proven false.
My question is this. Do any of you have any proof either waywhich you would
care to share regarding the families who stem from Pocahontas?
Who are the other families who are saying they stem from Pocahontas? I would
like to connect with them.
The research bug that,
Iam
=====================
3d msg:
In a message dated 5/29/2004 1:01:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
cbarrfly@comcast.net writes:
HI, ['not one Bolling ever appeared in connection with Rolfe records']
I tryed to get onto the Poca-L list and it must be Pocahontas-L list. I would
like to work with all working this lineage. I have Bolling also, but not one
Bolling ever appeared in connection with Rolfe records, and some evidence of
fraud related to the Bolling research.
I suspect Thomas Rolfe has many descendents, and "many" years ago I was given a
list of his "many" children which noone agreed with. I think the truth is out
there, but will have to be rounded up one deed or court record at a time. Which
is becoming a more difficult thing to do.
Iam
===============
Hi all,
I have been into Rofle research for several years, and am looking forward to
working with all those who are interested in John Rolfe, of Jamestown, and his
son and daughter, Thomas Rolfe and Elizabeth Rolfe.
I also have Bollings, but I am convinced that the Bollings of Pocahonas and
her Descendants left us with more questions than answers regarding the Rolfe
family.
Iam
==============================
Hi Iam,
If by 'early,' you would include those Rolfes connected with Pocahontas
(early 1600s), the Poca-L List would be very interested, and/or the Poca-L
Archives would also be a very good place to search:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
For example, among others, see the msgs of Cordella Faye, Mary Tim Baggott &
Nicole below.
Barry
PS: Also, in Ref to NC, see further discussion below:
" . . .an article in the `Magazine of Virginia Genealogy'
August 1985 v23 #4 p3-16
"Descendants of Pocahontas: an Unclosed Case"
by Elizabeth Vann MOORE & Richard SLATTEN.
This article is supposed to build a case that Thomas ROLFE did not die in
Virginia
but moved to North Carolina, remarried & had more children"
(see below)
Hi, I have done considerable research into Rolfes (all spellings) of early VA
and NC. Would like to connect with other researchers of all Rolfe spellings.
Iam
Barry Wetherington
I may be wrong but my understanding was that the Uncle Henry in England who
raised Thomas, son of John Rolfe and Pocahontas, was Thomas' uncle, i.e. John's
brother. I am quite certain this uncle never came to America. I don't remember
any other brothers, altho there may have been. Possibly this Henry had children
who came to Virginia.
-Mary Tim Baggott
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/POCAHONTAS/2004-05/1084257105
&
From: "NICOLE"
Subject: Re: wife desc fm John Rolfe's bro VA md 1600
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:51:42 -0400
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/POCAHONTAS/2004-05/1084258302
[wife is descended from one of the Rolfes of Va.
(brother of John Rolfe?)
who was married in the year 1600]
With the info provided, I don't think it works out.
If he was married in 1600 then he would be born before
1584. John ROLFEs parents were married in 24 Sep 1582
& they had 5 known children of which John is the oldest.
Here is the info I have.
The baptisms come from the parish registers.
The ROLFE line chronilogically as I know it goes:
1. Edmond ROLPH
2. Robert ROLFE b=abt.1500
3. Eustace=Eustacius ROLFE, I b=1536
d=02 Jun 1585 England,Norfolk,Heacham
m=27 May 1560 Heacham to Joanna JENNER
b=1539 Heacham d=Jun 1593 Heacham
4a. Eustace ROLFE, II
4b. Johannes "John" ROLFE b=24 Sep 1562 Heacham
baptised=17 Oct 1562 Heacham d=29 Nov 1594 Heacham
buried=01 Dec 1594 Heacham m=24 Sep 1582 Heacham
to Dorothea=Dorothy MASON b=1559-1562
d=26 Oct 1645 Heacham (she m2=09 Mar 1594/95 Heacham
to Dr. Robert REDMAYNE=REDMAINE=REDMAN, Ll.D)
5a. (Thomas) John ROLFE bapt=06 May 1585 Heacham
m=Pocahontas *** see below
5b. Eustace ROLFE bapt=06 May 1585 Heacham
d=Jun 1593 Heacham
5c. Henry ROLFE b=abt.1587 Heacham
occ=merchant in England,London (this is
the one who raised the son of Pocahontas)
5d. Edward ROLFE bapt=22 Feb 1591 in
England,Norfolk,Yarmouth (near Horsea)
5e. Dorothy ROLFE b=abt.1593
----------
*** 5a. (Thomas) John ROLFE bapt=06 May 1585
(married 3 times)
m1=1608 Sarah HACKER d=1612 VA,James-City-Co,Jamestown
child: Bermuda ROLFE bapt=21 Feb 1609/10 on
Bermuda-Island d=1610 Bermuda-Island
m2=05 Apr 1614 VA,James-City-Co,Jamestown
in Anglican-Church to Pocahontas
child: Thomas Smith ROLFE, I b=30 Jan 1614/15 in
VA,Indian-Territory,Richmond,Smith's-Fort-Plantation
m3=abt.1619 Jane=Joane PIERCE=PEIRCE=PYERS
child: Elizabeth ROLFE b=1620 Virginia
(there is controversery about this child's existence)
Info on ROLFE's emigration to America:
1609/06/02 A fleet of ships sailed from England for
the Virginia colony in America via the Canaries route.
Among the passengers was English navigator,
Sir George SOMERS who was leading an expedition of
500 persons including John ROLFE & his wife Sarah.
When they entered the tropics, a number of
those aboard succumbed to yellow fever.
1609/07/25 Near West-Indies,Bahamas the fleet
was struck by a terrific 44 hour storm -
a storm that is believed to have been the
basis for SHAKESPEARE's "The Tempest".
1609/07/28 One of the ships, the "Sea Venture"
was driven aground in WI,Bermuda.
1609/08/07 The "Sea Venture" was wrecked.
Survivors included John ROLFE.
The shipwrecked party made use of local timber
& materials salvaged from the ship's wreckage
to construct 2 small ships, the "Patience"
& the "Deliverance", which they hoped
would carry them on to VA,Jamestown.
1610/05/23 They reached the Virginia colony.
----------
I have heard of some other ROLFEs in the
Colonies early on ... but in Massachusetts.
I don't know whether or not they are related
to the above ROLFE family (probably cousins to
some degree). I have not looked into this branch
very thoroughly, so some tentative data is:
John ROLFE bapt=24 Apr 1589 in
England,Wiltshire,White-Parish
m=02 Nov 1612 White-Parish to JoAnn COLES
& his brother ...
Henry ROLFE=ROLPHE b=05 Sep 1583
bapt=05 Sep 1585 White-Parish
d=01 Mar 1642/43 MA,Essex,Newbury
m=28 May 1621 Whiteparish to Honour ???
Their sons included:
- John ROLFE b=10 May 1634
residence=MA,Suffolk-Co,Cambridge
- Benjamin ROLFE b=1638 MA,Essex-Co,Newbury
m=1659 MA,Essex-Co,Newbury to Apphia HALE
----------
NICOLE
&
My wife is descended from one of the Rolfes
of Va. who was married in the year 1600.
We think he could be a brother of John
Rolfe. Do you know if he had brothers?
| Ken Lonewolf / Shawnee
Could you give us some of the oldest
couples in this line ? Someone might be
able to figure out something from that end.
The other thing I thought about was the
unsubstantiated RUMOUR floating around
that Pocahontas son Thomas ROLFE was also
married to an Indian named Oconoco DiPoi.
Perhaps Ken would be interested in
pursuing this line of inquiry to see
if there is any validity there ?
I do not know whether it has previously
been discussed on this forum
but there was an article in the
`Magazine of Virginia Genealogy'
August 1985 v23 #4 p3-16
"Descendants of Pocahontas: an Unclosed Case"
by Elizabeth Vann MOORE & Richard SLATTEN.
This article is supposed to build a case
that Thomas ROLFE did not die in Virginia
but moved to North Carolina, remarried &
had more children.
I have not been able to find a copy of
this article yet and if anyone knows if
there has been a transcription made,
I would love to read it.
From: Fayeangel2B1@wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Poca] wife desc fm John Rolfe's bro VA md 1600
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:33:47 EDT
Hi Ken and everyone. This is the information I have on John Rolfe. The Rolfe
family has been in Norfolk, England since Saxon days. Rolfe, in Doomsday Book
is listed as owning 28 carucates of land, at Harsea, near Yorkmount. He was
one of the small owners of Danish or Norwegian extraction left undisturbed by
William the Conqueror.
Heacon Hall in Norfolk, England is the seat of the Rolfe family.
John Rolfe was the head of Heacon Hall and father of the John Rolfe of
Virginia. He died on Nov. 29, 1594, at the age of thirty-two.
Little is recorded regarding John Rolfe's parents. Their names were Eustace
Rolfe, 1516-1593, and Dorothy Mason. His Grandfather, Robert Rolfe, was
mentioned in the Harold Visitations, in the year 1534.
The John Rolfe that came to Virginia was married three times. Name of first
wife, unknown. She and baby, christened Benevda, were among the lost when the
Sea Venture wrecked off the coast of Bermuda. John Rolfe, graduate of an
English University, came alone to Virginia, to face the trials of the future
unknown
John Rolfe then married Pocahontas in 1614 with the blessings of both the
governor and her father, Chief Powhatan. After the death of Pocahontas who was
stricken and died on the eve she was to return to Virginia was buried in the
chapel of the parish church in Gravesend, England, March 21, 1617. (This is
questionable by many as to where her remains truly are?) John Rolfe
then returned to Virginia with Thomas, their young son remaining in England with
an uncle by
the name of Henry Rolfe; who was a member of the Virginia Company. Thomas grew
up and was educated in England later returning to Virginia, probably
Jamestown.
From what information I have I am sorry to say I know nothing on the siblings
of John Rolfe or his third wife. This would be some fantastic information if
any one on the list happens to have this information to share with all of us.
Thank you
God Bless
Cordella Faye
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/POCAHONTAS/2004-05/1084242827
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06/14/2004 9:53:50
Re: Pocahontas, the unclosed case
Barry Wetherington
Following up. Francis, you should have just recd a longer msg of interest.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francis Smith"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Poca] Pocahontas, the unclosed case.
> I'm not actually related to Pocahontas, but I am related to her
> granddaughter's (Jane Rolfe) husband Robert Bolling, Sr. He was my 7th
> ggrandfather.
>
> Genealogies of Virginia Families (William & Mary Quarterly) Vol. I, A-CL,
> page 392.
> This source states that Robert's place of birth was of all Halloway's
> Barking Parish, Tower street, London, and was born "the 26th day of
> December, 1646, and came to Virginia October ye 2nd , 1660: and in the
yeare
> 75 married Jane, the daughter of Thomas Rolfe, gent............etc.
>
> Francis Smith of Mobile, AL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Poca] Pocahontas, the unclosed case.
>
>
> > Hi all, As I said earlier, my (new) harddrive bit the dust. Some of you
> had
> > sent me email which was lost. Sorry.
> >
> > I do have some information to post in the next few days as I can split
the
> > time. My efforts have been to search the counties and records for
existing
> > records. As you all know, the records disagree with much of the
> information in
> > modern genealogies. For example I have been unable to show that Bolling
> ever had
> > a thing to do with Pocahontas. The 1698 deed to Wm Browne was proven
> false.
> >
> > My question is this. Do any of you have any proof either waywhich you
> would
> > care to share regarding the families who stem from Pocahontas?
> >
> > Who are the other families who are saying they stem from Pocahontas? I
> would
> > like to connect with them.
> >
> > The research bug that,
> > Iam
> >
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06/14/2004 10:13:17
RE: Interesting Connection re:Wall
JLP
Might as well put my 2 cents in on the subject. Insofar as I know,
Steve, his father Walter, and I are the only (in theory)
Wall-Poythress descendants on the list. But should anyone else out
there have a Wall connection, the following is a very brief sketch of
what I know (for posterity).
Yes, there was another John Wall in Brunswick County. For quite a
long time I was confusing the records of the two (actually three) John
Walls. It turns out that the other John Wall was the son of Henry and
Elizabeth Wall. This family is found in early Bristol Parish records,
and lived in the north part of Brunswick County on Waqua Creek. After
the death of the John of this family, his descendants and kin, seemed
to mostly migrate over to Halifax County (where one will find many
Wall records), and then many of this branch moved south into the
northern counties of NC.
As Steve stated there is some reason to suspect that the two Wall
families were related, but only distantly.
As this list knows, family research is severely hampered by the loss
of so many records around the Richmond area. If Prince George and
Dinwiddie records had survived we might know considerably more about
the possible relationship of the two Wall families.
But neither of these families is to be confused with a Wall family of
Augusta County.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Tims [mailto:atims@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:31 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: Interesting Connection re:Wall
Message
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray and Mary Ellen Walls
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:10 AM
Subject: Interesting Connection re:Wall
Dear ?;
There may be a connection between your Wall and my Wall? Your
comments are:
[Comment: There is another Brunswick will for a John Wall dated 22 Feb
1758, and probated 23 May 1758. This will names no wife, but does name
children Burgess, Martha Moore, David, Mary, Robert, George, John,
Ann, and Charles. "Land is given to sons as follows: Robert, 11 & 40
acres; John, land in Halifax Co." Just who this John Wall was is a
complete mystery! He was obviously not as wealthy as his supposed kin
of our line. Other Wall wills or administrations supposedly in the
Brunswick County records are those for Daniel Wall (intestate, 1736)
and William Wall (will, 1751). These are available to me in our local
library.]
Perhaps you've solved several mysteries! There is a will of an Adam
Wall, Augusta, VA, dated 1761, which states "to my brother's son,
John, ...". Apparently, this Adam Wall did not marry. As he also
names his sister, Apel (Apple?), and his brother, Joseph. Mary Kegley
and her father, noted historians and genealogist of Blacksburg, Va,
have document the Wall's of Montgomery Co. very thoroughly. The
origin of Adam Wall is that he immigrated to the US in 1738; his
brother, Conrad, arrived in 1737. The arrival of John Wall has never
been determined.
It has always been thought that Adam and Conrad Wall immigrated from
the Palatinate are of Germany as they settled in New River Settlement
- primarily German and Irish. Kegley documents three generations of
"John Wall". The second John (referred to as SR), had a son, Daniel
Wall, who married Sarah Harless (documented German origin). In
addition, this John had a son named William along with several other
children.
So, you see, you probably have solve my mystery!
I'd like to hear your comments!
Ray Walls (VN vet), m. Mary E Potts
J.W.Walls (WWII vet), m. Mary P. Merket
Jesse W. Walls (WWI vet), m. Bertha Peach
William T. Walls, m. Martha Carlisle
William W. Walls (wounded at Shiloh), m. Mary E Cooper
Henry Walls, m. Dicey Carpenter
Daniel Wall (KIA, War of 1812), m. Sarah Harless
John Wall, Sr (Patriot), m. Sarah ?
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06/14/2004 10:58:56
Rolfes Bollings Poca connections? 1677
Barry Wetherington
Hi Poca-L, & Lists copied,
Regardless whether it was his initial purpose, Iam is doing some very original thinking to connect various families involved in early US history as they impact on Poca and other early historical consequences (including founding of Jamestown 1607 & Lost Colony 1587). If you see some potential relevant connections, don't be bashful. The value of insights are not always easy to comprehend beforehand, and everyone claims to have seen them after, but the first one to articulate takes a chance that someone will assign them to kooksville. For this reason, we appreciate people who take the risk to point out concepts for evaluation.
Thanks Iam - maybe losing your emails/hard drive has freed you to focused your efforts. And I suggest that many of your important emails have been captured & archived in the Archives of these Lists:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/r/rolfe.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/b/bolling.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/poythress.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NC/misc.html (On the bottom)
(& http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NC-LOSTCOLONY/)
But Iam, if you can, I'm not quite sure I have fully understood the ramifications of your conclusion in your msg (pasted below):
"Do we have a mix up of great proportions? The records do suggest just that"
- ie what of relevance is mixed up?
Best & Good hunting,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:11 AM
Subject: ROLFE-D Digest V04 #25
Hi all, I'm the guy who lost his hard drive and email addresses. Please
recontact me if we were exchanging mail.
At any rate, I have been running down Rolfes in Virginia Counties, and in the
Cavaliers and Pioneers (Land Grant Books). Other sources also.
I have found some odd connections. Some families connected to original John
Rolfe, or Thomas in some manner, large or small, not in any order:
Milner, Price, Pew and/or Pugh, Sheppard, Corker, Robert Poole owned land
adjacent to Rolfe in modern area of Hampton, a mention of Rolfe orphans same
area; Webb, Diggs, Barrett, Warren, Tyree and Tyrus (same name I think),
Spencer, Jennings, Wm Browne, Cockerham and Hunnicutt. Others also, these off top of
my head. Never have I found any kind of an "official" record with the name
Bolling connected to Rolfe.
I have Bolling who stated they were descended from Pocahontas. Can't prove
it. I also have Cockerham, and Hunnicutt, and Warren. Who seem to have believed
they were in some manner connected to John Rolfe of Jamestown.
Why didn't Robert Bolling get engaged with the 1677 law suit regarding Thomas
Rolfes estate in Surry County, VA? He was said to have been married by then
to Thomas Rolfe's daughter.
Who was Jane Rolfe if she left no records? Could she have been a
granddaughter? Or could she have been the very young wife of a Wm Bowling of Gloucester
County, Virginia as one genealogist I know has proposed? Did Wm Bowling marry
twice as has been said? One of his wives was a Rachel Lewis.
Wm Bowling of Gloucester County had several known sons, one of whom was said
to be a Robert by some researchers. Also a James who removed to Goochland died
in 1729 and his wife was Mary (perhaps Michaux).
Wm Bowling of Gloucester lived adjacent to a Whiting family, and Augustine
Warner. The Augustine Warner plantation in time fell to John Lewis, and John
Lewis' daughter Elizabeth bc 1705 married to a John Bolling.
A John Bolling who died in 1757 in Chesterfield County, VA, had a (g..)
granddaughter named Michaux Archer. And a (g..) grandson named James Lewis Bolling
of Chesterfield County, VA. John Bolling d 1757 also owned property adjacent
to James Bolling of Goochland.
Do we have a mix up of great proportions? The records do suggest just that.
Iam
06/17/2004 5:11:08
Library of VA accession
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean:
Perhaps you have mentioned this somewhere but I am trying to organize
some files and ran across this in a list of LVA accessions. Just wanted
to make sure you knew about it.
Maynard
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MULTIMEDIA Image or other media information available
ginia\LVA%20Bible%20Records.doc>
Accession No 24288
harg=24288>
Title Claiborne family Bible record, 1621-1954.
Claiborne+family+Bible+record%2c+1621-1954>
Record Ser. Bible records collection; 24288.
Bible+records+collection%3b+24288.>
Size 32 leaves.
Summary Area covered is Dinwiddie County, Virginia. Bible
printed in 1859. Other surnames mentioned: Baskerville, Blunt, Butler,
Clayton, Coleman, Dillon, Doyle, Duke, Early, Edmunds, Epps, Ferguson,
Fern, Fox, Fraser, Hardaway, Harper, Hicks, Hinton, Jones, King, Lewis,
Lipscomb, Lloyd, Powell, Poythress, Ravenscroft, Rives, Robertson,
Robinson, Russell, Simms, Spain, Taylor, Thweatt, Topp, Tucker, Walker,
and Zehmer.
06/24/2004 10:24:29
Re: Library of VA accession/Claiborne
Maynard:
Thanks for thinking of me and yes I am familiar with those LVA Bible records.
This particular set states that Burnell Claiborne married Mrs. Georgianna
Poythress (nee Ravenscroft). I have found nothing that supports that statement
other than those Bible records. Bible is dated 1859 but the records
supposedly cover 1621 - 1954. I find it always difficult to beleive that a Bible
record from 1859 could accurately have data back to 1621 and found nothing in those
32 pages that referred to 1621. But, all those names are indeed my family
and I have fairly extensively researched Duke, Baskerville, Powell, Coleman,
Epps etc. When you actually view those 32 pages, it mostly covers the line of
Powells.
Thank goodness for the Library of Virginia, tho there are errors in some of
their transcripts they are still the best free knowledge around.
Regards,
Mary Jean
Title Claiborne family Bible record, 1621-1954.
Claiborne+family+Bible+record%2c+1621-1954>
Record Ser. Bible records collection; 24288.
Bible+records+collection%3b+24288.>
Size 32 leaves.
Summary Area covered is Dinwiddie County, Virginia. Bible
printed in 1859. Other surnames mentioned: Baskerville, Blunt, Butler,
Clayton, Coleman, Dillon, Doyle, Duke, Early, Edmunds, Epps, Ferguson,
Fern, Fox, Fraser, Hardaway, Harper, Hicks, Hinton, Jones, King, Lewis,
Lipscomb, Lloyd, Powell, Poythress, Ravenscroft, Rives, Robertson,
Robinson, Russell, Simms, Spain, Taylor, Thweatt, Topp, Tucker, Walker,
and Zehmer.
06/25/2004 2:20:23
Re: 6/25/04
Notice in this message that John Wall is listed as a "gentleman judge", date 1740.
Hope you're recovering OK from the catheterization. I tried to call the other night but you and Mom were out doing the town....
Steve
06/25/2004 6:44:20
6/25/04
Michael Tutor
Possibly some new entries:
Deeds, June 28, 1707, 150 acres, Surry County. This Indenture made the twenty eighth day of June in the sixth year of the reign of our Sovereign Lady Anne by the grace of God of England Scotland France and Ireland Queen Defender of the faith &c and in the year of our Lord God one thousand seven hundred and seven between Joshua Wynn of the County of Prince George Gent, and Mary his wife of the one parte and Benjamin Harrison of the County of Charles City Esq. of the other parte witnesseth that the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife for and in consideration of the quantity of seven thousand pounds weight of tobacco to them in hand paid at and before the ensealing and delivery of these presents by the said Benjamin Harrison the receipt whereof and themselves to be therewith fully satisfied and paid they do hereby acknowledge and the said Benjamin Harrison his heires executors and administrators and every of them from the same and every parte and parcell thereof they do fully fr!
eely and absolutely acquit and discharge forever by these presents and for diverse other good and valuable causes and considerations them thereunto moving have given granted bargained sold remised released set over and confirmed and by these presents for themselves and every of them their and every of their heires and assignes they do give grant bargain sell remise release set over and confirm unto the said Benjamin Harrison his heires and assignes in his peaceable and actual possession already being by virtue of one Indenture of lease bearing date the day before the sale of these presents made or mentioned to be made between the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife of the one parte and the said Benjamin Harrison of the other parte one certain plantation tract or parcell of land containing one hundred and fifty acres being the same more or less lying and being on the north side of Nottaway River in the County of Surry and bounded as followeth to wit, beginning at a hiccory mar!
ked four ways at Nottaway River bank and runneth thence north and by east to the outside line thence west sixteen degrees north to a marked pine thence west five degrees south one hundred thirty eight and a half chains to a corner parsimon tree thence south twenty three degrees three quarters east sixteen chains to a corner thence south fifteen degrees east eighteen chains to a corner hicory thence east six chains to the river then down the meanders of the river to the beginning with all houses edifices buildings yards gardens orchards fences lands pastures meadows feedings woods underwoods ways waters watercourses and all other profiles commodities rents issues and advantages thereof or arising out of the same or any parte thereof together with the royalties of hunting hawking fishing and fowling. To have and to hold the said plantation or tract of land and all the other before granted premises and every parte and parcell thereof with their and every of their appurtenances !
unto the said Benjamin Harrison and to his heires and assignes forever to his and their own proper use and behoof to be held of our Sovereign Lady the Queen her heires and successors forever in free and common useage and not in capita by Knights Service yielding and paying the quitrents due and accustomed to be paid for the same being one shilling for every fifty acres yearly and the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife for themselves & every of them their and every of their heires and executors and administrators do by these presents covenant and promise and agree to and with the said Benjamin Harrison his heires and assignes that they the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife their heires executors and administrators the said plantation or tract of land with all the before granted premises and their appurtenances will from time to time and at all times hereafter forever warrant and defend unto the said Benjamin Harrison and assignes as aforesaid against all persons whatsoever I!
n witness whereof the said Joshua and Mary have hereto set their hands & seales the day and year first above written. Joshua Wynne (seal)
Signed Sealed and Delivered Mary Wynne (seal)
In presence of us: Fran Mallory, Francis Poythres, Thomas Wynne
June 28, 1707. Then recd. of Benjamin Harrison within named the sum of seven thousand pounds of tobacco it being the consideration of the within mentioned purchase. I say received by me. Test. Joshua Wynne
The before recited deed acknowledged by Joshua Wynne with Mary his wifes relinquishment of her right of dower thereto were admitted to be recorded and art recorded. Test. Fra. Clements, Cl. Cur.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 6/5/1740, p. 315. Order'd that the petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced against Seth Petty Poole be continued 'til the next court. Gentleman judges: John Wall, Richard Burch, Nicholas Lanier, William Hagood. Sheriff: William Martingood?
Brunswick County Court Orders, 6/6/1740, p. 317. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 7/3/1740, p. 327. An Indenture of bargain and sale between John Moor of the one part and William Johnson of the other part with a memorandum of livery and seisin endorsed thereon were acknowledged by the said John and order'd to be recorded.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 7/3/1740, p. 327. An Indenture of bargain and sale between John Moor of the one part and William House of the other part with a memorandum of livery and seisin endorsed thereon were acknowledged by the said John to be his acts and deeds and by the court ordered to be recorded.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 346-347. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, deft. Upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the ----- day of ----- in the year MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verefie wherefore he prays the judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the petitioners time is given them til the next court to consider the said plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 347. Upon the petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, deced., against Samuel S? for fo- pounds six shillings and four pence ----------- be due by bill: discontinued; being agreed by the parties.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 348. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 363. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Phillip Gorgette, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 363. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 372. Upon the petition of Clement Read setting forth that William Acock stands justly indebted to him the sum of one pound ten shillings current money by the ballance of an account and refuseth paiment thereof altho' often demanded and that John Bradford deced in his lifetime stood also indebted to the said Read in the sum of one pound five shillings and six pence current money which altho often demanded of the said John Bradford in his lifetime yet the same to the said Read to pay he did refuse and altho' often demanded of the said William Acock since his espousal with Rebecca Bradford executrix of the said Bradford deced yet the same sums of money to pay he hath refused and detained and therefore the petitioners prayed judgement &c discontinued; being agreed by the parties.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 375. Order'd that the petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, deft., upon a petition for debt. On the motion of the petitioners by their attorney further time is given them 'til the next court to consider the said deft.'s plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 376. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 378. George Gordon, plt., against Lawrence House, deft. In case. This day came the parties by their attorneys and the said deft. saith nothing in Barr or preclusion of the plt.'s action whereby the plt. remains thereof against him undefended. Therefore it is consider'd by the Court that the plt. recover against the deft. what of the damages in the declaration mentioned it shall appear he hath sustained by occasion of the premises upon an enquiry thereof by a Jury.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/3/1740, p. 386. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 11/6/1740, p. 399. Order'd that the petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, deft., upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties by their attornies and the petitioners demurr generally to the deft.'s plea in abatement and on the motion of the deft. time is given him 'til the next Court to consider the said demurrer.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 11/6/1740, p. 400. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 4/2/1741, p. 415. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, plaintiffs, against Philip Gorgette, deft. In debt. This day came the parties by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the ----- day of ----- in the year 1739 died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verefie wherefore he prays the judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the plaintiffs by their attorney time is given them 'til the next court to reply to the said plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 4/2/1741, p. 415. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft. In debt. The same plea and order verbatim as next before.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 431. Rebecca Bradford having been summoned to render an account of her administration of the estate of John Bradford deced appeared and the Court being satisfied with her administration order'd that she be discharged from rendering an account thereof at present.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 437. Upon the petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced against Seth Petty Poole for debt continued 'til the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 452. William and Francis Poythress executors of &c John Fitzgerald, plts., against Phillip Gorgette, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 453. William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 459. Upon the petition of Hannah Poythress and John Ravenscroft, executors &c of Francis Poythress deced against John Smith for 13.9.11 the summon not being returned on the motion of the petitioners by Clement Read their attorney a new summon is awarded them against the said deft. returnable the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 8/6/1741, p. 24. Discontinued: being agreed by the parties upon the petition of Hannah Poythress and John Ravenscroft executors &c of Francis Poythress deced against John Smith for 13.9.11 said to be due upon an account: Dismissed for want of prosecution.
06/25/2004 11:49:00
Re: 6/25/04
Barbara P. Neal
Thank you so much, Michael for sharing with our List your
transcriptions/abstracts of these great Surry & Brunswick County,
Virginia entries.
BPN
06/26/2004 3:00:15
RE: 6/25/04
JLP
Interesting documents, Mike. According to my theoretical
Wall-Poythress connection, I don't think I have a Wynn connection.
But as Steve pointed out, it's interesting that John Wall was involved
in this at one point. And another of my ancestors -- Seth Pettypool
-- was mentioned a number of times in this litany of records. I had
not found these records of Seth before, so I have to ask where you
found these.
I can't figure out exactly what was going on with Seth's debt, but
Seth's father was William Pettypool. As I pointed out about a year
ago (or more), William Pettypool was a resident of Prince George
County, Bristol Parish, and he has been proven to have been an Indian
trader (licensed in SC in 1711). I'd not be surprised at all if this
debt, and all or most of the parties named in the various suits, were
not somehow business associates and involved in the Indian trade.
Lou Poole
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Deeds, June 28, 1707, 150 acres, Surry County. This Indenture made the
twenty eighth day of June in the sixth year of the reign of our
Sovereign Lady Anne by the grace of God of England Scotland France and
Ireland Queen Defender of the faith &c and in the year of our Lord God
one thousand seven hundred and seven between Joshua Wynn of the County
of Prince George Gent, and Mary his wife of the one parte and Benjamin
Harrison of the County of Charles City Esq. of the other parte
witnesseth that the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife for and in
consideration of the quantity of seven thousand pounds weight of
tobacco to them in hand paid at and before the ensealing and delivery
of these presents by the said Benjamin Harrison the receipt whereof
and themselves to be therewith fully satisfied and paid they do hereby
acknowledge and the said Benjamin Harrison his heires executors and
administrators and every of them from the same and every parte and
parcell thereof they do fully fr! eely and absolutely acquit and
discharge forever by these presents and for diverse other good and
valuable causes and considerations them thereunto moving have given
granted bargained sold remised released set over and confirmed and by
these presents for themselves and every of them their and every of
their heires and assignes they do give grant bargain sell remise
release set over and confirm unto the said Benjamin Harrison his
heires and assignes in his peaceable and actual possession already
being by virtue of one Indenture of lease bearing date the day before
the sale of these presents made or mentioned to be made between the
said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife of the one parte and the said
Benjamin Harrison of the other parte one certain plantation tract or
parcell of land containing one hundred and fifty acres being the same
more or less lying and being on the north side of Nottaway River in
the County of Surry and bounded as followeth to wit, beginning at a
hiccory mar! ked four ways at Nottaway River bank and runneth thence
north and by east to the outside line thence west sixteen degrees
north to a marked pine thence west five degrees south one hundred
thirty eight and a half chains to a corner parsimon tree thence south
twenty three degrees three quarters east sixteen chains to a corner
thence south fifteen degrees east eighteen chains to a corner hicory
thence east six chains to the river then down the meanders of the
river to the beginning with all houses edifices buildings yards
gardens orchards fences lands pastures meadows feedings woods
underwoods ways waters watercourses and all other profiles commodities
rents issues and advantages thereof or arising out of the same or any
parte thereof together with the royalties of hunting hawking fishing
and fowling. To have and to hold the said plantation or tract of land
and all the other before granted premises and every parte and parcell
thereof with their and every of their appurtenances ! unto the said
Benjamin Harrison and to his heires and assignes forever to his and
their own proper use and behoof to be held of our Sovereign Lady the
Queen her heires and successors forever in free and common useage and
not in capita by Knights Service yielding and paying the quitrents due
and accustomed to be paid for the same being one shilling for every
fifty acres yearly and the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife for
themselves & every of them their and every of their heires and
executors and administrators do by these presents covenant and promise
and agree to and with the said Benjamin Harrison his heires and
assignes that they the said Joshua Wynn and Mary his wife their heires
executors and administrators the said plantation or tract of land with
all the before granted premises and their appurtenances will from time
to time and at all times hereafter forever warrant and defend unto the
said Benjamin Harrison and assignes as aforesaid against all persons
whatsoever I!
n witness whereof the said Joshua and Mary have hereto set their hands
& seales the day and year first above written.
Joshua Wynne (seal)
Signed Sealed and Delivered
Mary Wynne (seal)
In presence of us: Fran Mallory, Francis Poythres, Thomas Wynne June
28, 1707. Then recd. of Benjamin Harrison within named the sum of
seven thousand pounds of tobacco it being the consideration of the
within mentioned purchase. I say received by me. Test. Joshua Wynne
The before recited deed acknowledged by Joshua Wynne with Mary his
wifes relinquishment of her right of dower thereto were admitted to be
recorded and art recorded. Test. Fra. Clements, Cl. Cur. Brunswick
County Court Orders, 6/5/1740, p. 315. Order'd that the petition of
William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced
against Seth Petty Poole be continued 'til the next court. Gentleman
judges: John Wall, Richard Burch, Nicholas Lanier, William Hagood.
Sheriff: William Martingood?
Brunswick County Court Orders, 6/6/1740, p. 317. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William
Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 7/3/1740, p. 327. An Indenture of
bargain and sale between John Moor of the one part and William Johnson
of the other part with a memorandum of livery and seisin endorsed
thereon were acknowledged by the said John and order'd to be recorded.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 7/3/1740, p. 327. An Indenture of
bargain and sale between John Moor of the one part and William House
of the other part with a memorandum of livery and seisin endorsed
thereon were acknowledged by the said John to be his acts and deeds
and by the court ordered to be recorded.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 346-347. William and
Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners,
against Seth Petty Poole, deft. Upon a petition for debt. This day
came the parties by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the
force and injury and prays judgement of the petitioners wait because
he saith that the aforesaid Francis Poythress one of the petitioners
in the said writ named after the original writ aforesaid was sued out
and before this day to wit on the ----- day of ----- in the year
MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of
Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verefie wherefore he prays
the judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the
said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the
petitioners time is given them til the next court to consider the said
plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 347. Upon the petition of
William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, deced.,
against Samuel S? for fo- pounds six shillings and four pence
----------- be due by bill: discontinued; being agreed by the parties.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 348. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William
Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 363. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Phillip
Gorgette, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 363. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses
Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/5/1740, p. 372. Upon the petition of
Clement Read setting forth that William Acock stands justly indebted
to him the sum of one pound ten shillings current money by the
ballance of an account and refuseth paiment thereof altho' often
demanded and that John Bradford deced in his lifetime stood also
indebted to the said Read in the sum of one pound five shillings and
six pence current money which altho often demanded of the said John
Bradford in his lifetime yet the same to the said Read to pay he did
refuse and altho' often demanded of the said William Acock since his
espousal with Rebecca Bradford executrix of the said Bradford deced
yet the same sums of money to pay he hath refused and detained and
therefore the petitioners prayed judgement &c discontinued; being
agreed by the parties.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 375. Order'd that the
petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John
Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, deft., upon a
petition for debt. On the motion of the petitioners by their attorney
further time is given them 'til the next court to consider the said
deft.'s plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 376. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William
Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/2/1740, p. 378. George Gordon, plt.,
against Lawrence House, deft. In case. This day came the parties by
their attorneys and the said deft. saith nothing in Barr or preclusion
of the plt.'s action whereby the plt. remains thereof against him
undefended. Therefore it is consider'd by the Court that the plt.
recover against the deft. what of the damages in the declaration
mentioned it shall appear he hath sustained by occasion of the
premises upon an enquiry thereof by a Jury.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 10/3/1740, p. 386. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses
Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 11/6/1740, p. 399. Order'd that the
petition of William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John
Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, deft., upon a
petition for debt. This day came the parties by their attornies and
the petitioners demurr generally to the deft.'s plea in abatement and
on the motion of the deft. time is given him 'til the next Court to
consider the said demurrer.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 11/6/1740, p. 400. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against William
Gent, deft., continued 'til the next court. In case.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 4/2/1741, p. 415. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, plaintiffs, against
Philip Gorgette, deft. In debt. This day came the parties by their
attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and
prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the
aforesaid Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ
named after the original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this
day to wit on the ----- day of ----- in the year 1739 died at the
parish of Saint Andrew in the county of Brunswick aforesaid and this
he is ready to verefie wherefore he prays the judgement of this
worshipful court of the said writ and that the said writ may be
quashed and so forth and on the motion of the plaintiffs by their
attorney time is given them 'til the next court to reply to the said
plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 4/2/1741, p. 415. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses
Dunkley, deft. In debt. The same plea and order verbatim as next
before.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 431. Rebecca Bradford
having been summoned to render an account of her administration of the
estate of John Bradford deced appeared and the Court being satisfied
with her administration order'd that she be discharged from rendering
an account thereof at present.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 437. Upon the petition of
William and Francis Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced
against Seth Petty Poole for debt continued 'til the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 452. William and Francis
Poythress executors of &c John Fitzgerald, plts., against Phillip
Gorgette, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 453. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plts., against Moses
Dunkley, deft., continued 'til the next court. In debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/7/1741, p. 459. Upon the petition of
Hannah Poythress and John Ravenscroft, executors &c of Francis
Poythress deced against John Smith for 13.9.11 the summon not being
returned on the motion of the petitioners by Clement Read their
attorney a new summon is awarded them against the said deft.
returnable the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 8/6/1741, p. 24. Discontinued: being
agreed by the parties upon the petition of Hannah Poythress and John
Ravenscroft executors &c of Francis Poythress deced against John Smith
for 13.9.11 said to be due upon an account: Dismissed for want of
prosecution.
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06/26/2004 8:48:21
Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
Hi Mike and as always you do great work and provide us with much information.
After reading it all several times, I need some clarification. Please let me
know if I am wrong on this but it appears in the readings that:
1. Francis Poythress and William were suing as exs of Fitgerald beginning
6/6/1740
2. 9/4/1740 a suit in court against Pettipool states that Francis Poythress
was "sued out" (Could anyone explain was that means?) AND F.P. also DIED in
1739.
3. The various suits continue through May of 1741 when Hannah Poythress and
John Ravenscroft are awarded a continuance as executors of Francis Poythress
and in August Ct of 1741 the suit is dismissed. No further suits from Francis P
& William in the August Ct.
.Can we assume or do we know that the Francis Poythress w/William P. in the
earlier suits is the same Francis Poythress that died and has executors Hannah
Poythress and John Ravenscroft? Hannah would have been the daughter of Thomas
Ravenscroft and John Ravenscroft would be her brother. In Brunswick records of
1738 Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress sues Hannah as ex of Francis
dec'd.
.Are Francis Poythress and William Poythress the sons of John Poythress who
died in 1712 with will and wife Christian? Or are this Francis and William
Poythress sons of John Poythress with wife Mary and will of 1724? Are the
Francis and William siblings at all?
Thanks for any help as you can see I am certainly confused.
Mary Jean
06/26/2004 10:47:43
Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
Michael Tutor
Mary Jean,
It does look like William and Francis Poythress, as executors of their
brother-in-law, were the plaintiffs in these cases. I'm not sure what "sued
out" actually means either. I've accepted that William and Francis are the
sons of John Poythress(2) and that Francis was the husband of Hannah
Ravenscroft Poythress and that Francis died in 1739. I was disappointed that
in both court records citing his death that it didn't narrow the event down
any closer than just the year. 1739 and 1740 seemed to be a bad period for
the sons of John Poythress(2).
From the records, it really does seem that this Hannah Poythress never
married again. It would seem that maybe she had a daughter, Hannah, that
married a Claiborne. Do we have any idea as to whether Hannah was born
before 1700? I'm beginning to believe that this Francis was born by1685 and
died in 1739.
I thought it was interesting that William was listed first in all of the
suits considering that he was the youngest son.
The deed at the beginning of these records must be Francis Poythress, of
Surry County, as Batte called him. This Francis, son of Francis
Poythress(2), would have been the nephew of Joshua and Thomas
Wynne............Mike
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Subject: Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
> Hi Mike and as always you do great work and provide us with much
information.
> After reading it all several times, I need some clarification. Please let
me
> know if I am wrong on this but it appears in the readings that:
> 1. Francis Poythress and William were suing as exs of Fitgerald beginning
> 6/6/1740
> 2. 9/4/1740 a suit in court against Pettipool states that Francis
Poythress
> was "sued out" (Could anyone explain was that means?) AND F.P. also DIED
in
> 1739.
> 3. The various suits continue through May of 1741 when Hannah Poythress
and
> John Ravenscroft are awarded a continuance as executors of Francis
Poythress
> and in August Ct of 1741 the suit is dismissed. No further suits from
Francis P
> & William in the August Ct.
> .Can we assume or do we know that the Francis Poythress w/William P. in
the
> earlier suits is the same Francis Poythress that died and has executors
Hannah
> Poythress and John Ravenscroft? Hannah would have been the daughter of
Thomas
> Ravenscroft and John Ravenscroft would be her brother. In Brunswick
records of
> 1738 Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress sues Hannah as ex of Francis
> dec'd.
> .Are Francis Poythress and William Poythress the sons of John Poythress
who
> died in 1712 with will and wife Christian? Or are this Francis and
William
> Poythress sons of John Poythress with wife Mary and will of 1724? Are the
> Francis and William siblings at all?
> Thanks for any help as you can see I am certainly confused.
> Mary Jean
>
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06/26/2004 11:33:34
Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
Mike:
Am I wrong as I see two Francis Poythress deaths one before April 1738 and
one in 1739?
Francis of 1738:
Apr 1738
p. 94
The petition of Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress against Hannah
Poythress, executrix of Francis Poythress dced is continued to the next court.
May 1738
p. 109
The petition of Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress against Hannah
Poythress, executrix Est. of Francis Poythress, the petitioners failing to prosecute,
is dismist.
Francis of 1739:
Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 346-347. William and Francis
Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth Petty
Poole, deft. Upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties by ...Francis
Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the original
writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the ----- day of -----
in the year MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of
Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verefie wherefore
So it would appear then that the Francis who died in 1738 was the son of
Francis (1)?
The Francis who died in 1739 was the son of John (2)? And William perhaps was
the older of the sons and therefore mentioned first? In Prince George Co
circa 1739 there are ct records on the Poythress site (thanks JMP) that reference
John Ravenscroft, Francis Poythress and Elizabeth Ravenscroft Ex of Thomas
Ravenscroft, dec. Am I wrong on these Francises...ie 1738 s/o Francis 1?
"Sued out" I looked it up in my Law dictionary and would guess it would apply:
"Sue out" "to petition for and take out or to apply for and obtain" a writ or
court order as to "sue out" a writ in chancery. 21 S.W. 811, 812.
Mary Jean
06/27/2004 1:40:26
Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
Michael Tutor
Mary Jean,
In the records that I submitted that contain the approximate date of death
of this particular Francis, it may well have been that the date of death was
not readily recalled by the attorney. He didin't give a date of death but
evidently gave the approximate year of death. That's my take on the
contradiction. For now, I still believe that this Francis was the son of
John Poythress(2). The main reason that I say this is that John Poythress(2)
not only mentions his son, Francis, but also his grandson, Francis, in his
will of 1712. Then, in the 1765 abstract that you mentioned, it states that
the grandson, Francis, was conveying his interest in certain slaves to
Thomas Walke.....There might be a much simpler answer to the 1738-1739
business in that Janaury through March used to be the last three months of
the year, instead of December. If Francis died in these three months at the
end of 1738, it would also be correct to say that he died in the first three
months of 1739, according to our new calendar......How do you like that one?
William Poythress, the brother of the above Francis Poythress that died in
1738, wasn't born until 1694. He was the youngest son of John Poythress(2).
If we keep kicking these things around, we're bound to come to some
conclusions, don't you think?................Mike
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Subject: Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
> Mike:
> Am I wrong as I see two Francis Poythress deaths one before April 1738 and
> one in 1739?
> Francis of 1738:
> Apr 1738
> p. 94
> The petition of Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress against Hannah
> Poythress, executrix of Francis Poythress dced is continued to the next
court.
> May 1738
> p. 109
> The petition of Joshua Poythress and Francis Poythress against Hannah
> Poythress, executrix Est. of Francis Poythress, the petitioners failing to
prosecute,
> is dismist.
>
> Francis of 1739:
> Brunswick County Court Orders, 9/4/1740, p. 346-347. William and Francis
> Poythress executors &c of John Fitzgerald deced, petitioners, against Seth
Petty
> Poole, deft. Upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties by
...Francis
> Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the original
> writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the ----- day
of -----
> in the year MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of
> Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verefie wherefore
>
> So it would appear then that the Francis who died in 1738 was the son of
> Francis (1)?
> The Francis who died in 1739 was the son of John (2)? And William perhaps
was
> the older of the sons and therefore mentioned first? In Prince George Co
> circa 1739 there are ct records on the Poythress site (thanks JMP) that
reference
> John Ravenscroft, Francis Poythress and Elizabeth Ravenscroft Ex of Thomas
> Ravenscroft, dec. Am I wrong on these Francises...ie 1738 s/o Francis 1?
>
> "Sued out" I looked it up in my Law dictionary and would guess it would
apply:
> "Sue out" "to petition for and take out or to apply for and obtain" a writ
or
> court order as to "sue out" a writ in chancery. 21 S.W. 811, 812.
>
> Mary Jean
>
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06/27/2004 8:11:17
6/27/04
Michael Tutor
I have tried to transcribe these deeds without errors but I'm sure that some errors remain. The names of those that were transported to this country were extremely hard to read in some instances. If someone has a correct name to replace one of the names that I have transcribed below, please let me know......Mike
(ffrancis Poythers, Charles City county, 400 acres, July 13, 1637). To all to whom these presents shall come I Sr John Harvey Kt Governor &c sends &c whereas &c Now Know you that I the said Sr John Harvey Kt do with the consent of the Council of State accordingly give and grant unto ffrancis Poythers fower hundred acres of land situate lying and being in the County of Charles Citty lying north upon the heads of the land now in the possession of the said ffrancis Poythers south into the maine woods east upon the lands of Capt. Woodliffe and west of Baylyes Creeke the said fower hundred acres of land being due unto him the said ffrancis Poythers (vizt) fiftie acres for his owne personal adventure into this Colony and three hundred & fiftie acres by and for the transportation at his owne personal costs and charges of seven persons into this Colony whose names are in the records mentioned under this pattent To have and to hold &c dated this 13th of July Anno Domini 1637 --------!
. Francis Poythers, Richard Wells, Jane Lucas, Thos. Thompson, Richard Farmer, Bryan Raycock, Francis Howes, and Richard Whiting. (Patent Book 1, 1623-43, vol. 1, p. 439).
(ffrancis Poythres, Charles City county, 400 acres, May 8, 1648). To all &c Whereas &c Now Know you that I the said Sr. Wm. Berkeley Knt do with the advice and consent of the Council of State accordingly give and grant unto Capt. ffrancis Poythres seven hundred and fifty acres of land within the County of Charles City being at or neare unto the mouth of the Creeke called Baylyes Creeke and abutting easterly upon fifty acres of land belonging unto ye orphants of Jenkins Osborne and thence extending westerly onto the land of Thomas Bayly now in the tenure of John Butler northerly upon the mouth of the said Baylyes Creeke and southerly into the woods three hundred and fifty acres of the said land formerly granted and being part of ye Patent of Jenkins Osborne dated July ye 9th 1635 and purchased by the said ffrancis Poythres from the said Jenkins Osborne Mary Osborne and Capt. Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas confirmed by order of court dated ye 27th day of Februa!
ry 1636 and purchased by the said Capt. ffrancis Poythres and the other four hundred acres being also granted formerly to the said Capt. ffrancis Poythres by patent bearing date ye 13th of July 1637 To have and to hold &c to be held &c yielding &c which payment is to begin seven years after the said 27th of Feby. 1636 and ye said 13th of July 1637dated the 8th of May 1648. (Patent Book 2, 1643-51, p. 139).
(Wm. Edmonds & John Williams, Charles City county, 888 acres, April 20, 1680, mentions Francis Poythress). To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said Sr. Henry Chisholm Knt his Majesties Deputy Governor &c give and grant unto Wm. Edmonds and John Williams eight hundred eighty eight acres two rods and sixteen poles of land on the south side of James River and in the County of Charles Citty and in the Parish of Jordans, beginning at a corner gumm of Major Poytries standing upon the reedy branch and running thence north 94 poles to a corner black oake thence along Poytries his line west southwest sixty five poles, crossing a great branch to a corner pine, thence north twenty fower poles to the great branch, thence up the branch northwest by west forty poles north northwest ninety six poles, northwest sixty poles north by west eighty six poles crossing into Blands neck, thence still up the branch north by west forty eight poles, north northwest twenty poles, north by west !
forty poles, north northeast thirty poles to a corner gum thence crossing the branch east by north twenty five poles to a corner black oake, thence north one hundred twenty six poles to a corner pine thence northwest by west eighty seven poles to a corner hickory, thence north forty eight poles to a corner white oake thence east northeast one hundred and ten poles to a corner black oake thence southeast by south two hundred seventy six poles to a corner black oake thence east by south one hundred forty fower poles to a corner pine thence south southeast eighty two poles to a corner pine thence east northeast fifty poles to a corner black oake thence south southeast sixty eight poles thence south ninety eight poles to a corner black oake standing upon the delightful meadow including the aforesaid eight hundred eighty eight acres two rods and sixteen poles which said land is due unto them the said Wm. Edmonds and John Williams by and for the transportation f eighteen persons &!
c To have and to hold &c To be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c dated the 20th day of April 1680. Fra: Linsley, Gilbert Hay, Geo. Burge, Wm. Turpin, Wm. Brown, Thomas Manning, Nicho: Whitmore, Priscilla Chenye, Susanna Bridge, James Blamore, Christopher Eiddison, John Aylett, Jean Booth, Sander Hempseed, Rice Pritchett, Elliner Wadard, Mary Horton, Mary Phillips. (Patent Book 7, p. 124).
[September 28, 1681, Charles City county, 609 acres Major Francis Poytres (Poytheres)]. To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said Sr. Henry Chisholm Kt. his Majesties Deputy Governor &c give and grant unto Major ffrancis Poytress an irregular tract of land on the blackwater lying on the south side of James River and in the County of Charles Citty beginning at the south side of the Blackwater at a pine and runneth thence south southwest thirty chaines to a corner thence southeast by east forty chaines to a corner to a black oake thence east thirty one chaines thence southeast forty one chaines to the Nottaway path continued eighteen chaines to the first branch continue one hundred and two chaines to the second branch continued thirty three chaines to the black water spring continued 31 chaines to a corner hickory thence southeast by east twelve chaines thence east by north twelve chaines to the third branch continued eighty eight chaines to the blackwater maine swampe !
to a beach marked fower wayes thence bounding north along the swamp nigh the line of Capt. Robert Lewcy thirteene chaines and northeast 13 chaines and northeast by north eleven chaines &c northeast by east thirty fower chaines and northeast 22 chaines and east five chaines and northeast by east 20 chaines and north north east sixteene chaines as the said swamp windeth and turneth to reedy branch to a white oake marked fower wayes thence north 46 chaines to a corner black oake thence west southwest 16 chaines to a great swamp continued over great swamp 16 chaines to a pine marked fower wayes thence southwest by west 20 chaines thence west sixty two chaines to the branch of corner by Townes quarter continued forty chaines to a to a white oake marked fower wayes thence west northwest thirty nine chaines to the line of Hercules Flood thence for fifty acres had bought of the said Flood southwest forty chaines to a meadow taking in a point of land contayning fifty acres thence by !
the Maine Swamp west and west by south & west southwest two hundred chaines to the place was begun including six hundred & nine acres two rods 9 poles of land due by transportation of 12 persons &c To have and to hold &c To be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c dated the 28th day of September Anno Domini 1681. (Patent Book 7, p. 99).
[November 20, 1683, Charles City county, 1,250 acres, Major Francis Poytheres (Poythries)]. To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said Nicholas Spencer Esq. President &c do with the advice and consent of the Council of State accordingly give and grant unto Maj. Francis Poytheres twelve hundred and fifty acres two rods and thirty poles lying & being in the County of Charles Citty, and in the parish of Jordans, &c and on ye south side of James River, vizt. beginning att a corner hickory belonging to the land of Sampson Ellis, and running thence southwest nigh ye said Ellis line two hundred and sixty poles, crossing ye great swamp and Horse branch to a corner poplar standing on ye middle southern branch, thence west crossing a branch of Ham branch one hundred sixty eight poles to a corner black oake, thence west northwest one hundred poles to the line of Mr. Henry Batt, thence along the said Batt his line north and by west fifty four poles to Mr. Batts his corner, thence !
east and by north eight degrees northerly one hundred and fifty poles Mr. Batts his corner being a black oake, thence north and by west eight degrees westerly four hundred and fifty six poles to Mr. Batts his corner, thence on the heads of the said Poytheres, Mr. John Woodley and James Mumfords land east five hundred twenty eight poles to a corner beck standing on a run known by the name of the dry bottom run thence up the run south halfe west eighteene poles, and southwest and by south fifty eight poles, and west twenty poles, as ye run windeth and turneth to a corner white oake, thence south three hundred twenty four poles to ye place we began. Including ye aforesaid twelve hundred and fifty acres two rods and thirty poles of land. That said land being due by and unto the said Maj. Francis Poythres by and for the transportation of five and twenty persons into this Colony whose names are in the records mentioned under this pattent. To have and to hold &c To be held &c yield!
ing and paying &c provided &c dated this twentieth day of November one thousand six hundred eighty and three. Sarah Henley, Eliz. Hayes, Wm. Sage, Symon Rouse, Jon. Flud, Jon. Conway, Morgan Welch, Roger Horner, Richard Thornbury, Thos. Wood, Jone Graneley, Wm. Wood, John Lawrence, Jon. Cole, Jon. Rubye, Jon. Aucrine, Jon. Cooper, Jos. Marsh, Geo. Bell, Geo. Crosland, Wm. Arnold, Wm. Sarson, David Haynes, Richard Hind, Eli Brown. (Patent Book 7, 1679-89, p. 335).
(April 21, 1690, Charles City county, 1,078 acres, mentions Major Francis Poythres). To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said Nath. Bacon Esq. President &c give or grant unto Adam Taply and William Harryson one thousand seventy eight acres of land lying and being in Jordans Parrish in Charles Citty County on ye south side of James river bounded (viz.) beginning att a hickory in one of ye said lines of Maj. Poythres land, thence west twenty five degrees: north thirty three two = pole = chain to a hickory then along other lines of ye said Poythres north twenty five degrees: west twenty seven chain to a west and west nineteen degrees: north to a pyne near a myry branch, then south thirty degrees west thirty five chain to a black oke near Areccock path, then south seventy three chain to a red oke, south thirty degrees: west forty four chain to a white oke near ye second swamp, then south twenty five degrees: east eighty eight chain to a red oke in a bottom, east thirty d!
egrees: south one hundred & seventy chain to a white oke. North thirty degrees: east one hundred twenty seven chain to a red oke near Nich. Whitmore line, north thirty five chain to a white oke. North thirty six degrees: west eighteen chain. West sixteen degrees: north fifteen chain to a red oke, northwest forty chain to a pyne and north ten degrees: west thirty three chain to ye hickory where it begun the said land being due to ye said Adam Taply and William Harryson by and for ye transportation of twenty two persons &c to have & to hold &c to be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c dated April 21, 1690. Elfrid Snow, Tho. Oxly, Jas. Allin, Geo. Rudder, Antho. Scarlett, Jas. Lewis, Robert White, Edw. Hutchison, Jno. Whiting, Wm. Rosse, Sarah Moore, Tho. Osborne, Tho. Randall, Richd. Everett, Rich. Isham, Geo. Nelson, Robert Wells, Andrew Isham, Jno. Willoughby, Robert Norton, Joshua Royston, Richard Mallard. (Patent Book 8, p. 78).
(April 29, 1692, Charles City county, 1,000 acres, Mrs. Rebecca Poythress). To all &c Whereas &c Now know ye that I ye said Fra. Nicholson Esq. &c Their Majesties Lt. Governor &c give and grant unto Mrs. Rebecca Poythres, one thousand acres of land situate lying & being in ye County of Charles Citty according long most ancient and rightful bounds thereof be ye quantity either more or less than is herein expressed she to land being late in the tenure of Edw. Ardington deceased by virtue of his own right & fee therein, & was lately found to escheat to their most sacred Majesty from ye said Edw. Ardington of ye said County of Charles Citty as by an Inquisition recorded in the secretarys office under ye hands and seales of Peter Perry Deputy of ye honorable Christopher Wormeley Esq. Escheator of ye said County & a jury sworn before him for this purpose dated the 19th day of November Anno 1690 may appear, & is since granted unto ye Mrs. Rebeccah Poythres who hath made her composi!
tion according to law. To have & to hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c dated ye 29th day of April Anno 1692. (Patent Book 8, 1689-95, p. 241).
(October 24, 1701, 350 acres, Charles City county, John Poythris). To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said ffrancis Nicholson Esq. Governor &c do with the advise and consent of the Council of State accordingly give and grant unto John Poythris of deep bottom Senr. a tract of land containing three hundred & fifty acres lying on the north side of Nottaway River on the uppward end of Umatora old fields beginning at an old dead oake by a birch on the riverside and running thence along the head line of a tract of nine hundred and fifty acres of land taken up and patented by Hugh Lee junr. (and by him sold to William Jones Senr. Robert Hix Tho. Taylor Senr. and John Roberts) north one degree west ninety six poles to a white oake in a fork of the Myory branch that parts Umatora old fields and a small ash in the said branch thence northwest an hundred and twenty poles to an heape of marked trees on the top of an hill thence south forty four degrees west three hundred & fift!
y poles to an heape of marked trees on the Indian Swamp thence down along the Indian Swamp and Nottaway River according to the meanders of the same to the first beginning the said land being due unto the said John Poythris by and for the transportation of seven persons into this Colony whose names are to be in the records mentioned under this patent To have and to hold &c To be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c Given under my hand and the sealeof the Colony this 24th day of October Anno Domini 1701. ffr. Nicholson
John Poythris his patent for 350 acres of land in Charles Citty County. Jenings
John Gee, Humphry Hix, N. Standback, Robert Boreman, Hen. Snelgrove, Wm. Lambud, Mary Drin. (Patent Book 9, 1695-1706, p. 396).
(October 23, 1703, 609 acres, Charles City county, John Poythress). To all &c Whereas &c Now Know ye that I the said ffrancis Nicholson Esq. Governor &c do with the advise & consent of this Council of State accordingly give & grant unto John Poythress an irregular tract of land on the Blackwater lying on the south side of James River in the County of Charles Citty beginning on the south side of the Blackwater at a pine & running thence south southwest thirty chaines to a corner thence southeast by south forty chaines to a corner black oake thence east thirty one chaines thence southeast sixty one chaines to ye Nottaway path continued eighteen chaines to the first branch continued one hundred & two chaines to the second branch continued thirty three chaines to the Blackwater spring continued thirty one chaines to a corner hickory thence southeast by east twelve chaines thence east by north twelve chaines to the third branch continued eighty eight chaines to the Blackwater Mai!
ne Swamp to a beach marked four wayes thence bounding north along the swamp near the line of Capt. Robert Lewcyes thirteen chaines & northeast thirteen chaines & northeast by north eleven chaines & northeast by east thirty four chaines & northeast twenty two chaines & east five chaines & northeast by east twenty chaines & north northeast sixteen chaines as the swamp windeth & turneth to reedy branch to a white oake marked four wayes thence north forty six chaines to a corner black oake thence west southwest sixteen chaines to a great swamp continued over great swamp sixteen chaines to pine marked four wayes thence southwest by west twenty chaines thence west sixty two chaines to the branch it comes by Townes his quarter continued forty chaines to a white oake marked four wayes thence west northwest thirty nine chaines to ye line of Hercules Flood thence for fifty acres he bought of the said Flood southwest forty chaines to a meadow taking in a point of land containing fifty !
acres thence up the Main Swamp west & west & by south & west southwest two hundred chaines to the place we began including six hundred & nine acres two rods & nine poles of land ye said land was formerly granted unto ffrancis Poythress by patent dated ye 28th of September 1681 & by him deserted & is since granted unto the said John Poythress by order of the General Court bearing date ye 21st day of April 1703 & is further due unto the said John Poythress by & for the transportation of thirteen persons into this said Colony whose names are to be in the records mentioned under this patent To have & to hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c given under my hand & the seale of the Colony this 23rd day of October Anno Domini 1703. ffr. Nicholson
John Poythress his patent for 609 acres of land in Charles City County. C C Thacker, Dep. Sec. Paid Mr. Auditor Bird six rights. Robt. Lloyd, Richd. Wilkinson, Joyce Bibrek, Eliz. Smith, Eliz. Brumfield, Charles Bartholomew, Patrick Connoley. (Patent Book 9, 1695-1706, p. 571).
(March 23, 1715, Isle of Wight, 100 acres, John Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye that for divers good causes and considerations but more especially for and consideration of the importation of two persons to dwell within this our Colony & Dominion of Virginia whose names are Richard Inglesby and John Phillips. We have given granted and confirmed & by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto John Poythres of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing one hundred acres and lying and being on the north side of Maherin river in the County of Isle of Wight and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a red oak on the east side of the long meadow branch thence south seventy six degrees east one hundred twenty two poles to a live oak in a swamp then south fourteen degrees west one hundred & thirty six poles to a hickory saplin, then north seventy six degrees west one hundred twenty two poles to a lightwood post n!
ear the long meadow branch side and north fourteen degrees east one hundred thirty six poles to the beginning. With all &c To have & hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c Witness our trusty and well beloved Alexander Spotswood our Lt. Governor &c at Williamsburg under ye seal of our said Colony the twenty third day of March one thousand seven hundred & fifteen in the second year of our reign. (Patent Book 10, p. 280). A. Spotswood
(March 23, 1715, Surry County, 180 acres, New Land, Thomas Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for & in consideration of the sum of twenty shillings of good & lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Resources in this our Colony & Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted & confirmed & by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Thomas Poythres of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing one hundred & eighty acres, lying & being on the north side of Nottaway River in the County of Surry and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a pine on the north side of the Woodyard Swamp a little above the fork thence north eighteen degrees east one hundred & thirty poles to a hickory, then north seventy five degrees east eighty provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty & well beloved Alexander Spotswood our Lt. Governor &c a!
t Williamsburg under the seal of our said Colony the twenty third day of March one thousand seven hundred & fifteen in ye second year of our reign. (Patent Book 10, 1710-1719, p. 265-266). A. Spotswood
(July 15, 1717, Surry County, 267 acres, New Land, John Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye that I for divers causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration the importation of six persons to dwell within this our Colony & Dominion of Virginia whose names are Alexander Sutton, John Peir, Daniel Medhurst, Amos Atlock, Thomas Barden & John Hardiman. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto John Poythres of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred & sixty seven acres lying and being on the south side of the main Blackwater in the County of Surry bounded as followeth to wit beginning at a live oak on the southwest side of the Indian Swamp thence west southwest twenty four poles to two pines then south four degrees west one hundred seventy eight poles to a pine then south thirty degrees west one hundred & four poles to three maples by t!
he side of Beaver Pond Swamp then down the various courses of ye run of ye said swamp south forty degrees east seventy poles and south eighty seven degrees east seventy one poles to two oak saplins by the side of the Beaver Pond Swamp aforesaid thence north sixty degrees east seventy seven poles to a hickory then east four poles to a gum by the Beaver Pond Swamp the aforesaid then down the various courses of the run of ye said swamp north forty six degrees east thirty six poles and north eighty five degrees east thirty poles to a pine thence north by east sixty poles to a maple by the side of ye Indian Swamp aforesaid and as the various courses of ye run of ye said swamp to the beginning with all &c To have & hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c Witness our trusty & well beloved Alexander Spotswood our Lt. Governor Commander in Chief of our said Colony & Dominion of Virginia under ye seal of our said Colony ye fifteenth day of July one thousan!
d seven hundred & seventeen in the third year of our reign. (Patent Book 10, p. 327). A. Spotswood
(June 22, 1722, Prince George County, 333 acres, New Land, Joshua Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye that for diverse causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the importation of seven persons to dwell within this our Colony & Dominion of Virginia whose names are Edward Prince, Tho. Farmer, Wm. Loganes, Christopher Ingolles, Hugh Clarke, John Gourdon & James Robbinson. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Joshua Poythres one certain tract or parcel of land containing three hundred & thirty three acres lying and being in Prince George County and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a live oak on the north side Moccosoneck Creeke thence north forty two degrees east thirty eight poles to a pine thence north thirteen degrees east fifty one poles to a red oak thence north thirty degrees west sixty six poles to a hickory thence north three & a halfe degree!
s east fifty eight poles to a hickory thence east twenty two degrees north eighty eight and a halfe poles to a red oak thence east thirty six degrees south fifty four & a halfe poles to a pine thence south thirty five degrees west eighty six poles to a red oak thence south thirty three degrees east fifty one poles to a red oak thence east ten degrees north fifty one poles to a red oake thence north twenty six & a halfe east forty two poles to a white oake thence north forty one degrees east thirty three poles to a read oake thence south twenty & a halfe east fifty four poles to a red oake thence south thirty six degrees west forty three poles to a red oake thence west twenty five & a halfe south thirty two poles to a hickory thence west four degrees south twenty nine poles to a red oak thence south thirty nine degrees west forty seven poles to hickory thence east forty one degrees south fifty four poles to a red oak thence east eight & a halfe degrees south forty two poles t!
hence east seven degrees north forty six poles to a black oak thence east ten degrees south one hundred and thirty four poles to a red oak thence east twenty degrees south seventy four poles to a red oak thence east sixteen degrees north sixty poles to a pine in the line of Williams Jones Junr. thence along his line south ten degrees east eighty three poles to a red oak thence west eighteen degrees north ninety eight poles to a red oak thence north forty three & a halfe west fifty eight & a halfe poles to a white oak thence west eighteen degrees south sixty eight poles to a gum on Moccosoneck Creeke thence up the same as it meanders to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty & well beloved Alexander Spotswood our Lt. Governor &c at Williamsburgh under the seal of the said Colony the twenty second day of June one thousand seven hundred and twenty two in the eighth year of our reign. (Patent Book!
11, p. 131). A. Spotswood
(John Poythress, September 5, 1723, 200 acres, New Land, Isle of Wight County. Patent Book 11, pages 258-259). George &c To all &c Know Ye that for divers good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of twenty shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto John Poythres of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred acres lying and being on the south side of Maherin River in the County of Isle of Wight and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a gum on the east side of the Cane Branch thence east by south forty four poles to a black oak thence north seventy five degrees east twenty eight poles to a white oak then north eighty five degrees east fifty four poles to a red oak thence north !
seventy five degrees east fifty seven poles to a red oak then north by west eighty nine poles to a white oak then north west by west one hundred and seventy seven poles to a black oak then south west by west eighty six poles to a maple by the side of the Cane Branch aforesaid and down the various courses of the run of the said branch to the beginning with all &c To have hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved Hugh Drysdale Esqr. our Lieutenant Governor &c at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the fifth day of September one thousand seven hundred and twenty three in the tenth year of our reign. Hugh Drysdale
(September 5, 1723, Prince George County, 250 acres, New Land, David Poythress). George &c Know ye that for divers good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of twenty five shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto David Poythres of Surry County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and fifty acres lying and being on the north side of Nottaway River in the County aforesaid and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a red oak on the east side of the Indian Swamp a corner tree of the said Poythres old land thence by his own old line north forty four degrees east three hundred and ninety six poles to a red oak then north seventy five degrees west one hundred and seventy three poles to a pine then south!
west by south two hundred and eighty four poles to a gum by the side of the Indian Swamp aforesaid and down the various courses of the run of the said swamp to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved Hugh Drysdale Esq. our Lieutenant Governor at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the fifth day of September one thousand seven hundred and twenty three in the tenth year of our reign. (Patent Book 11, p. 284). Hugh Drysdale
(February 22, 1724, Prince George County, 248 acres, New Land, Thomas Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye that for divers & good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of twenty five shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Resources in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted & confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Thomas Poythris of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and forty eight acres lying and being on both sides of the upper Rockey Run of Stoney Creek in the county aforesaid and bounded as followeth to wit beginning at a red oak on the upper side of the said Run thence crossing the said Run at one hundred and fifty poles south thirty seven degrees east two hundred and forty eight poles to a corner in a knott of pines in a meadow thence west thirty seven deg!
rees south one hundred and sixty poles to a corner white oak thence north thirty seven degrees west two hundred and forty eight poles crossing the said Run at one hundred and forty eight poles to a corner between several trees chopped inwards near a white oak marked four ways thence east thirty seven degrees north one hundred and sixty poles to the beginning with all &c To have & hold &c To be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c Witness our trusty and well beloved Hugh Drysdale Esq. our Lieutenant Governor at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the twenty second day of February one thousand seven hundred and twenty four in the eleventh year of our reign. (Patent Book 12, 1724-1726, p. 228). Hugh Drysdale
(July 9, 1724, Prince George County, 206 acres, New Land, William Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of twenty five shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto William Poythris of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and six acres lying and being on both sides of the Ready Branch of Butterwood Swamp in the County aforesaid and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at a corner between several trees chopped inward & near Major Epes's corner thence south one hundred and fifty poles crossing the Ready branch to a corner white oak thence west two hundred and twenty poles to a corner between several trees chopped inw!
ard thence north one hundred and fifty poles crossing the Ready Branch to a corner between several trees chopped inwards thence east two hundred and twenty poles to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved Hugh Drysdale Esq. our Lieutenant Governor at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the ninth day of July one thousand seven hundred and twenty four in the tenth year of our reign. (Patent Book 12, 1724-1726, p. 68). Hugh Drysdale
(July 9, 1724, Prince George County, 387 acres, New Land, Francis Poythress). George &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of forty shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Capt. Francis Poythris of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing three hundred and eighty seven acres lying and being on the upper or west side of Butterwood Swamp in the county aforesaid and bounded as followeth, to wit, beginning at the run upon the rock at the Beaver dam thence north five degrees west one hundred and sixty poles to a corner between several trees chopped inwards thence east five degrees north two hundred and sixty three poles to a corner upon Woodleif's bra!
nch thence down Woodleif's branch as it meanders to Butterwood Swamp thence up Butterwood Swamp as it meanders to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding & paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved Hugh Drysdale Esq. our Lieutenant Governor at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the ninth day of July one thousand seven hundred and twenty four in the tenth year of our reign. (Patent Book 12, 1724-1726, p. 68). Hugh Drysdale
(October 13, 1727, Brunswick County, 275 acres, New Land, John Poythress). George the Second &c To all &c We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Capt. John Poythres of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and seventy five acres lying and being on the south side of Maherin River in the County of Brunswick and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning at a gum on the south side of the Reedy Branch thence south thirty two degrees east seventy poles to a red oak thence south fifty seven degrees east sixty eight poles to a white oak thence north eighty degrees east two hundred and seventy eight poles to a red oak thence north thirty six poles to a white oak on the Beaver Pond Creek thence up the Beaver Pond Creek to the mouth of the aforesaid Reedy Creek or Branch and up the said Branch to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and p!
aying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the thirteenth day of October one thousand seven hundred twenty seven in the first year of our reign. (Patent Book 13, p. 205). William Gooch
(October 13, 1727, Prince George County, 343 acres, New Land, William Poythress). George the Second &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of thirty five shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto William Poythriss of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing three hundred and forty three acres lying and being in the forks of the Reedy Branch of Butterwood Swamp adjoining his own and Epes's lines in the County of Prince George aforesaid and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning in Epes's line thence along the same east twenty four degrees south two hundred and fourteen poles to a corner shrub white oak thence west fifteen degrees south one hundred a!
nd sixty seven poles to a corner red oak thence north six degrees west one hundred and eighty six poles to a corner in his old line thence east fifty eight poles along his old line to his old corner shrub white oak thence north seventy four poles to a corner dogwood in his old line thence east thirty two degrees north seventy two poles to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the thirteenth day of October one thousand seven hundred twenty seven in the first year of our reign. (Patent Book 13, p. 273-274). William Gooch
(September 28, 1728, Prince George County, 200 acres , New Land, Francis Poythress, Jr.). George the Second &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of twenty shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto ffrancis Poythris Junr. of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred acres lying and being on the upper side of Butterwood Swamp in the County aforesaid and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning at a white oak at the edge of the Beaver Pond below the mouth of the Governors Quarter Branch thence north seven degrees west two hundred and six poles to a corner thence east seven degrees north one hundred and sixty six poles to a corner thence sou!
th seven degrees east one hundred and sixty four poles joining his father's upper line to his corner upon the swamp thence up the swamp as it meanders to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the twenty eighth day of September one thousand seven hundred twenty eight in the second year of our reign. (Patent Book 13, p. 439-440). William Gooch
September 28, 1728, Prince George County, 291 acres, New Land, Robert Poythress. George the Second &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of thirty shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Robert Poythris of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and ninety one acres lying and being on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp in the County of Prince George aforesaid and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning at a persimmon and dogwood on the side of the said swamp or Beaver Pond thence south one hundred poles to a red oak by a branch thence east four degrees south two hundred and sixty six poles to Peter Wynn's upper line thence north alon!
g the said Wynn's line one hundred and eighty poles to a corner shrub white oak thence still north thirty eight poles to the said swamp thence up the same as it meanders to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the twenty eighth day of September one thousand seven hundred twenty eight in the second year of our reign. Patent Book 13, 1725-1730, p. 377. William Gooch
September 28, 1728, 297 acres, Prince George County, New Land, mentions Robert Poythress. George the Second &c To all &c Know ye &c that for diverse good causes and considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum of thirty shillings of good and lawful money for our use paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and Dominion of Virginia. We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Robert Glover of Prince George County one certain tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and ninety seven acres lying and being on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp in the County aforesaid and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning upon the brook at the upper end of the old beaver ponds above Robert Poythriss upper line south thirteen degrees west two hundred and eight and an half poles to a corner red oak thence west five degrees north two hundred and twenty two and a h!
alf poles to a corner hiccory thence north six degrees west one hundred and ninety poles to three Butterwoods upon the said swamp thence down the same as it meanders to the beginning with all &c to have hold &c to be held &c yielding and paying &c provided &c In witness &c witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the twenty eighth day of September one thousand seven hundred twenty eight in the second year of our reign. Patent Book 14, 1725-1730, p. 15. William Gooch
06/27/2004 9:55:01
Re: 6/25/04 Brunswick Ct Ord. from Mike
Thanks Mike and I think you are correct regarding the dates...it certainly
seems logical and as far as I know we have accounted for all the Francises.
Will muse over William, youngest son and being listed first in the suits...but at
the moment have no great thoughts.
Thanks for being there...
Regards,
Mary Jean
In a message dated 06/27/2004 2:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
badbichon@earthlink.net writes:
Mary Jean,
In the records that I submitted that contain the approximate date of death
of this particular Francis, it may well have been that the date of death was
not readily recalled by the attorney. He didin't give a date of death but
evidently gave the approximate year of death. That's my take on the
contradiction. For now, I still believe that this Francis was the son of
John Poythress(2). The main reason that I say this is that John Poythress(2)
not only mentions his son, Francis, but also his grandson, Francis, in his
will of 1712. Then, in the 1765 abstract that you mentioned, it states that
the grandson, Francis, was conveying his interest in certain slaves to
Thomas Walke.....There might be a much simpler answer to the 1738-1739
business in that Janaury through March used to be the last three months of
the year, instead of December. If Francis died in these three months at the
end of 1738, it would also be correct to say that he died in the first three
months of 1739, according to our new calendar......How do you like that one?
William Poythress, the brother of the above Francis Poythress that died in
1738, wasn't born until 1694. He was the youngest son of John Poythress(2).
If we keep kicking these things around, we're bound to come to some
conclusions, don't you think?................Mike
06/28/2004 1:53:23
Re: 6/25/04-Records
Just a note on LVA. I had been having trouble download from the digital site
so sent a message asking why. They just responded and are "having trouble
with a router but will be out of service for a while" . They said to keep
checking back. So don't worry if you are unable to download at least for the next
week.
All great work Mike...I have done that and well know both how time consuming
and almost impossible to read some of those words and letters. You did simply
terrific.
Mary Jean
06/28/2004 2:10:26
Re: 6/25/04-Records
Michael Tutor
Thank you. If you can't click on the link and get the document on LVA,
scroll down and click on the other link. Sometimes the site won't work on
one link and you have to use the other link to get the document......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: 6/25/04-Records
> Just a note on LVA. I had been having trouble download from the digital
site
> so sent a message asking why. They just responded and are "having trouble
> with a router but will be out of service for a while" . They said to keep
> checking back. So don't worry if you are unable to download at least for
the next
> week.
>
> All great work Mike...I have done that and well know both how time
consuming
> and almost impossible to read some of those words and letters. You did
simply
> terrific.
> Mary Jean
>
>
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06/28/2004 2:18:44
Re: 6/25/04
Yes, I want to add my thanks too, Michael. Remind me of where you are getting these?
Steve Wall
06/28/2004 3:11:05
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06/28/2004 3:32:28
Re: 6/25/04
Barbara P. Neal
Thank you so much, Mike, for all your work transcribing so much of the
info & tracking down the microfilms. Great work.
BPN
06/28/2004 10:21:34
Re: 6/25/04
Michael Tutor
Thank you. The on-line LVA site has quite a few of the original deeds. The
other records came from microfilm that the LDS made............Mike
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Subject: Re: 6/25/04
> Yes, I want to add my thanks too, Michael. Remind me of where you are
getting these?
>
>
> Steve Wall
>
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06/28/2004 11:28:05
6/30/04
Michael Tutor
06/30/2004 2:02:46
Re Francis Poythress by Dr. Hall
Barbara P. Neal
Mary Jean, you wrote "Mr. Hall seems to have tackled some of
my frustrating queries on Francis and it appears gave some avenues for
further research. I would quite like to know his address as perhaps he
just might have been able to find some specific record that actually
indicates a Poythress married a Claiborne."
Unfortunately Mr. Hall is not reachable until such time as we get to the
great reunion in heaven. You may find the below copy of BPW's & my
exchange on this List in March of interest, re William B. Hall & his
several articles. I've copied below the exchange from our Poythress List
Archives, easily reachable thru one of the items across the top of our
website: http://www.poythress.net/
I'm copying the List on this, as this makes a good example to all us
Listers how extremely helpful it can be to me, and could be to many of
us, to go back to the List Archives when my brain can't quite come up
with something later that I want to find again. The more of our
cumulative research helps we put on the List, the more we all will benefit.
Keep up the good work, Mary Jean. You're asking great questions & in
pursuit of good points that will help all Poythress folks.
BPN
= = =
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:29:37 -0800
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: UNC Library at Chapel Hill
Great find, BPW, that these items are at Chapel Hill. Hope someone can
check them out soon.
Re one of the manuscript holdings you listed:
The "William Bonnell Hall" is better known to us as "William B. Hall"
who wrote those articles in the 1930s, which I believe were titled
- "Study of Francis Poythress 1, Francis Poythress 2, Francis
Poythress3, and Francis Poythress 4"
- "A Study of the John Poythresses"
- "A Study of Thomas Poythress"
Some years ago, we on this List had tried to find out where Hall's
papers ended up, figuring he might have had further Poythress info that
he had not published. Glad to know that UNC Chapel Hill is the place.
Cheers,
BPN
= = = =
3/5/2004 Beetle72@aol.com wrote:
Does anyone have access to research at the library of the University
of NC at Chapel Hill?
In the Manuscripts Dept. at the library there is an index in the
Southern History Collection to the papers of Edmonia Cabell Wilkins
#2364, folder #61, with a reference to the families of Wilkins, Douglas,
Jone, Flood, Wyche and POYTHRESS.
And also a reference to Poythress in the papers of William Bonnell Hall.
This index can be found at http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/index.html
Thank you,
Barbara (BPW)
07/05/2004 12:46:26
NC research Poythress
Barry Wetherington
Ref the discussion re NC research,
There is a great but quirky NC research site at the NC Sate Archives,
named MARS. I searched and after a couple hiccups, had an index of abt 500
hits show up, many unique, & including new & early stuff, but you get just
names & named folders. If it looks interesting, go to the next step. I'm
short time but someone ought to run Poythress & associated surnames (Lost
Colony surnames for which you seek?) through it:
http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/
Work with it and just keep plugging. Click to look in ALL folders.
Thanks for: http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/index.html
Barry
PS: More input at the bottom. bw
Mary Jean, you wrote "Mr. Hall seems to have tackled some of my
frustrating queries on Francis and it appears gave some avenues for further
research. I would quite like to know his address as perhaps he just might
have been able to find some specific record that actually indicates a
Poythress married a Claiborne."
Unfortunately Mr. Hall is not reachable until such time as we get to the
great reunion in heaven. You may find the below copy of BPW's & my exchange
on this List in March of interest, re William B. Hall & his several
articles. I've copied below the exchange from our Poythress List Archives,
easily reachable thru one of the items across the top of our website:
http://www.poythress.net/
I'm copying the List on this, as this makes a good example to all us Listers
how extremely helpful it can be to me, and could be to many of us, to go
back to the List Archives when my brain can't quite come up with something
later that I want to find again. The more of our cumulative research helps
we put on the List, the more we all will benefit.
Keep up the good work, Mary Jean. You're asking great questions & in pursuit
of good points that will help all Poythress folks.
BPN
= = =
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:29:37 -0800
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: UNC Library at Chapel Hill
Great find, BPW, that these items are at Chapel Hill. Hope someone can
check them out soon.
Re one of the manuscript holdings you listed:
The "William Bonnell Hall" is better known to us as "William B. Hall"
who wrote those articles in the 1930s, which I believe were titled
- "Study of Francis Poythress 1, Francis Poythress 2, Francis
Poythress3, and Francis Poythress 4"
- "A Study of the John Poythresses"
- "A Study of Thomas Poythress"
Some years ago, we on this List had tried to find out where Hall's
papers ended up, figuring he might have had further Poythress info that
he had not published. Glad to know that UNC Chapel Hill is the place.
Cheers,
BPN
= = = =
3/5/2004 Beetle72@aol.com wrote:
Does anyone have access to research at the library of the University
of NC at Chapel Hill?
In the Manuscripts Dept. at the library there is an index in the
Southern History Collection to the papers of Edmonia Cabell Wilkins
#2364, folder #61, with a reference to the families of Wilkins, Douglas,
Jone, Flood, Wyche and POYTHRESS.
And also a reference to Poythress in the papers of William Bonnell Hall.
This index can be found at http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/index.html
Thank you,
Barbara (BPW)
=========================
Hi ALL who have any potential Gen connection to NC. The MARS collection
of the NC State Archives:
http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/
will locate many potentially excellent files for each Surname in which you
might have a NC interest.
Having said that, there are 2 major drawbacks:
1) MARS is quirky - working well some of the time, not so well other times,
and;
2) The results are only partial, requiring someone to eventually visit the
site directly (this is still murky to me) to recover the data you determined
were in the files. You can get a significant amount of info online, but
apparently not all of it.
I recommend clicking the ALL selection for which databases you wish to
search. I must admit, every time connecting is an adventure. If the
potential payoff weren't so large, I might give up.
Because I understand this msg is puzzling, I will post just a small
portion of what I located for my Witherington search results:
==========================
- "The Elizabeth Moore Collection" - ref:
Benjamin Simms Family Bible Records 1739-1941- WITHERINGTON Family
- Craven County, WITHERINGTON, James Lewis, House (& 4 other W'ton Houses)
- Rev. Army Accounts for: Witherington, C; WITHERINGTON, Cleverly;
Witherington, Daniel; Witherington, J; Witherington, Jacob; Witherington,
Jesse; Witherington, Joseph; Witherington, Nathan; Witherington, R.; &
Witherington, Solomon.
- Witherington, Donald, Witherington, Ben; Whitford-Witherington Co.;
Witherington, J. E.
(bw comment - see the J E W'ton letter in my files. 1/Jul/2004 22:56);
- Benjamin R. WITHERINGTON (Pitt County); I. K. Witherington; James W.
Witherington (Forsyth County).
- correspondence, David Darnell and A. B. Witherington to Joseph Biggs,
1843
- Soldiers' Home; Witherington, James W. (1 record of 76 (similar?) records
bw)
=============================
As you can see, for example, I DID learn that there were references and
files for these specific W'tons;
=============================
Benjamin Simms Family Bible Records 1739-1941- Witherington Family
- Craven County, Witherington, James Lewis, House (& 4 other W'ton Houses)
- Rev. Army Accounts for: Witherington, C; Witherington, Cleverly;
Witherington, Daniel; Witherington, J; Witherington, Jacob; Witherington,
Jesse; Witherington, Joseph; Witherington, Nathan; Witherington, R.; &
Witherington, Solomon,
===============================
but I did NOT learn what those exact references & documents were, other than
the Simms Bible and the Rev. Army Accounts .
It may be possible for you to 'Join' MARS to proceed further, perhaps
online, a step I will consider this fall.
Please, if you use this resource, give us some tips abt what worked for
you.
[Sure enough, I went back to search on the Link, and got this error msg.:
"***Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.***
Maybe MARS doesn't work holidays/weekends. Maybe these are all men
researchers and they really are from MARS. Keep trying! bw 7/6/04
Barry
PS: Below, as an example, is a specific Link (remember, you must load the
entire URL address of the link into the Browser Link window) that seemed to
work. However, I recommend starting at the shorter link above, at the top.
bw
C h o o s e c o l l e c t i o n (s) b e l o w t o s e a r c h:
[I RECOMMEND SEARCHING ALL DATABASES!!! bw]
Please Note: Land Grants are not yet loaded into this search facility. To
search for Land Grants, please use the old version of MARS.
Archival / Digital Collections Include library catalog in search?
ExpandSelectDescription
Account Books
Audio Visual and Iconographic Materials
Bible Records
Black Mountain College Records
British Records
Civil War Collection
Colonial Governors' Papers Record Group
Colonial Records Group: Estates Papers, Estates Records, Unnamed Decedents,
and Guardian Records
Colonial Records Group: Land Papers - Wills
County Records
Federal Records
Foreign Archives
North Carolina Maps
Organization Records
Postal History Collection
Poster Collection
Private Collections
Records of Probate: Wills
Research Libraries Group: "Women, Marriage, and the Law, 1815 - 1914"
Project
Revolutionary War Account Books
State Records
07/06/2004 6:53:10
Re: Re Francis Poythress by Dr. Hall
Barbara P. Neal
My deep apology if my attempt at humor re Mr. Hall, and/or my other
verbage made it sound in the least like I was frustrated with you, Mary
Jean.
On the contrary, I very much welcome your great recent input to our
List! I especially appreciate your tenacity in examining all the angles
regarding the Poythress & Claiborne connection, and regarding the early
Francis men.
I should also have identified myself again by my full name, Barbara
Poythress Neal, and I'm sorry I didn't do so in my last posting. Please
forgive me, Mary Jean.
I, too, appreciate the many who have contributed to our List, and am
grateful to those who have recently taken up postings, and had hoped
that reminding many to make use of our many years of archived posts
would just be a good reminder. Sorry.
I especially appreciate you & other recent contributors to the List
since I am currently unable to do any active research myself due to some
extremely time-consuming eldercare family commitments -- both
long-distance from where we live 3,000 miles away, & in person for 1-2
wks per month, when I fly there to help out in her own home where she is
still presently living alone. I hope by later this year we will have
gotten our elder into a safe Assisted Living situation, and have at
least some time for further research.
Keep up the good work, Mary Jean, et al -
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN for short)
07/06/2004 7:34:27
Re: Re Francis Poythress by Dr. Hall
In a message dated 07/05/2004 9:46:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bp_neal@earthlink.net writes:
Unfortunately Mr. Hall is not reachable until such time as we get to the
great reunion in heaven. You may find the below copy of BPW's & my
exchange on this List in March of interest, re William B. Hall & his
several articles. I've copied below the exchange from our Poythress List
Archives, easily reachable thru one of the items across the top of our
website: http://www.poythress.net/
Dear BPN:
First apology is for using your initials but frankly I do not know your given
name. I quite certainly put my foot in my mouth on Hill and frankly I have
read the Poythress archives as time allows. Unfortunately, I never searched on
Mr. Hill. Being both new to this list and new to working on a Poythress
connection I guess I shall have to be more careful with my posts.
I can well understand your frustations with a newbie to this surname
research. I have worked on many of my other families and know it takes patience to
work with those new and not yet fully "read" on our families. Sometimes tho
that newbie has a new pair of eyes and is quite helpful stimulating old mind
sets.
You have all done a wonderful job researching this family and I commend each
and every one of you. Thanks again for your note and good luck to all of you.
Mary Jean Medlock Zimmerman
07/06/2004 10:11:05
Re: NC research Poythress - MARS at NC State Archives
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Barry, of alerting us to this resource, MARS at the NC State
Archives, & the potential for great payoff. Appreciate the time you took
to give us a good example at the bottom of your message. Hopefully one
or more of us will have time to pursue this.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
07/07/2004 2:57:46
Re: NC research Poythress
In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:55:33 PM Hawaiian Standard Time,
cbarrfly@comcast.net writes:
http://www.ncarchives.dcr.state.nc.us/
Wow! This is ssooooo grrrrreat! I am also using the site, with great
success, to research other branches of my famililies. Thank you for thinking of us!
Andie Harris (Pooolside@aol.com)
07/07/2004 8:17:52
7/8/04
Michael Tutor
The following are a few more entries for Brunswick County. Hopefully, there will be no mistakes or typos. There is one entry that is very hard to read. There are several entries for Seth Petty Poole and Francis and William Poythress. There is an entry for Hannah Poythress and one for Thomas Poythress. I hope that these are new to the list......Mike
Brunswick County Court Orders, 12/3/1741, p. 58. William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, plts., against Seth Petty Poole, deft., upon petition in debt. This day came the parties by their attornies and thereupon the petitioners demurrer to the defts. plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the Court here that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient in lan to quash the writ of the petitioner therefore it is considered that the deft. to the said writ do further answer whereupon the said deft. by his attorney for plea saith that he doth not owe to the petitioners as Executors of the said John the money in the petition mentioned or any penny thereof and this he prays may be enquired of by the Court and on the motion of the petitioners by their attorney time is given them til the next Court to consider the said plea.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 12/3/1741, p. 58. William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft., in debt. This day came the parties by their attornies and the petitioners demurrer to the defts. plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the Court here that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient in lan to quash the petitioner's writ therefore it is considered that the deft. to the same writ as further answer and thereupon the said deft. prays and has leave to imparte here til the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 12/3/1741, p. 58. William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, plts., against Philip Gorgette, deft., in debt. This day came the parties by their attornies and the petitioners demurrer to the defts. plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the Court here that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient in lan to quash the petitioner's writ therefore it is considered that the deft. to the same writ do further answer and thereupon the said deft. prays and has leave to imparte here til the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 12/3/1741, p. 64. John Allen gent. assignee of John Ravenscroft & Hannah Poythress, Executors, &c, of Francis Poythress deced., plt., against William Battersby, deft., in debt. Discontinued for want of prosecution.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 2/4/1741, p. 78. The petition of William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, John Fitzgerald deced. against Seth Petty Poole is continued 'til the next Court at the plaintiff's costs.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 2/4/1741, p. 78. William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald deced., plts., against Moses Dunkley, deft., in debt. Continued 'til the next Court.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 2/4/1741, p. 78. William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald deced., plts., against Phillip Gorgette, deft., in debt.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 3/5/1741, p. 104. Upon the petition of Richard Bland against John Duke gent. this day came as well the plaintiffs by Clement Read his attorney as the deft. in his proper person and were heard and it being the opinion of the Court that the deft. doth owe to the plaintiff the money in the petition mentioned therefore it is considered that the plaintiff recover against the said deft. four pounds twelve shillings and three pence current money and his costs by him in this behalf expended including seven shillings and six pence for an attorney's fee. p. 104. Ordered that Richard Bland pay Richard Bland gent two hundred and five pounds of tobacco for one day's attendance at this Court and for coming and returning sixty miles as a witness for the said Richard Bland against John Duke gent. p. 104-105. Ordered that Richard Bland pay Thomas Poythress two hundred and five pounds of tobacco for one days attendance at this Court and for coming and returning !
sixty miles as a witness for the said Richard against John Duke gent.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 6/4/1742, p. 128. Upon the petition of William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald, deced. against Seth Petty Poole for two pounds thirteen shillings and seven pence current money said to be due by Bill this day came the parties by their attornies and it appearing from the testimony of divers witnesses that the defendant doth not owe the plaintiffs the money in the petition mentioned & in pleading he hath alledged therefore it is ------ by the Court that the petitioners take nothing by their petition -------- false -------- be in -------- and that the defendant go hence without day and recover against the plaintiffs his costs by him about his defence in his hehalf expended. p. 129. On the motion of Francis Bresin witness for of Seth Petty Poole at the suit of William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald deced. ordered that the said Seth pay him two hundred and eighty pounds of tobacco for four days atten!
dance for coming and returning thirty miles according to law. p. 129. On the motion of Thomas Mayo witness for Seth Petty Poole at the suit of William and Francis Poythress, Executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald deced. ordered that the said Seth pay him one hundred pounds of tobacco for four days attendance according to law.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 5/6/1747, p. 183. William Pace, plt., against William Acock and Rebecca his wife, Executor, &c, of John Bradford deced. and Adam Tapley and William Poole, defts., in Chancery. The deft. Poole put in a demurrer plea and answer to the plaintiff's Bill which is set for hearing at the next Court and on the motion of the plaintiff an attachment is awarded him against the other defendants for want of appearance.
Brunswick County Court Orders, 7/2/1747, p. 235. William Pace, plt., against William Acock and Rebecca his wife, Executor, &c, of John Bradford deced. and Adam Tapley and William Poole, defts., in Chancery. Continued 'til the next Court.
07/08/2004 2:07:43
VA Land Patents
John M. Poythress
I (we) probably have more and varied paperwork and disk information
scattered in more places and in more formats on this subject than any
other.
I would like to accumulate all these patent snippets common to Poythress
and related families in one place, submit the finished product to the
list for additions, corrections, deletions, comments,
what-have-you...and we then have ourselves a (hopefully) complete list
in some logical order for us to use as a reference among ourselves...and
in the process we can each likely off-load a ton of paper.
It wouldn't seem to be a particularly tough project..just time consuming
and laborious.requiring minimum brains and little technology..right up
my alley.
Preliminary to this could I ask one or more of you for guidance on how
to do the arranging?? Specific questions:
1) just how did the colony, state, whatever..arrange these things? Was
there a series of books common to the entire state/colony numbered
sequentially? Or did each county have a book? If one patented land in
PG and that ground was later folded into Brunswick, where does it end up
in the patent book(s)? I am confused as the multitude of entries I
have don't seem to follow any consistent pattern. Would somebody give
me a tutorial on this?
2) assuming there is an "evolution" of county patents above so that
consecutive numbering is not logical, would pure chronological be
better? Or any other method of organizing?
3) just how "brief" should an abstract be? I would like to assume one
should retaining adjoining property owners specifically named and one
should also retain any "permanent" topographical features named
(example Bayly's Creek) but can all that stuff about so many rods North
from the slashed Oak tree be omitted without any significant loss? If
a patent is "for transportation of" such and such individuals (listed by
name) can the specific names be omitted unless they are relevant to
family history?
4) In reading Brunswick patents (for example), one might say "John
Poythress of Prince George County patents 200 acres in Brunswick County,
etc. etc. ..however all of the patents don't cite the "home" county of
the patentor and occasionally one won't cite a county AT ALL. How is
that best dealt with?
5) are there "time markers" along the way; i. e. did grants stop and
patents begin at a certain time or did they overlap? And for the
purpose of this list should one omit the confusion of "grants" and
"deeds" and "RW bounty grants" and stick only to patents? (It seems to
me that patents are fairly well established as "stand-alones" but is
that right?).
6) what other questions have I not even asked that are relevant to the
undertaking? Comments? Guidance in general or in particular?
Many thanks,
Maynard
07/08/2004 7:03:20
Re:
Michael Tutor
Yes, he sent me an e-mail wanting to know where I had found these
items....Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:13 PM
> Mike...you probably don't need me to tell you this but if and as you get
> into Pettipool, Petty Poole and even P'Pool...that bunch is Lou Poole's
> folks [sample1048@leapmail.net] and he has a serious database on a lot
> of those guys.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
07/09/2004 2:41:40
John M. Poythress
Mike...you probably don't need me to tell you this but if and as you get
into Pettipool, Petty Poole and even P'Pool...that bunch is Lou Poole's
folks [sample1048@leapmail.net] and he has a serious database on a lot
of those guys.
Maynard
07/09/2004 11:13:44
Facts & Genes newsletter re DNA available
Barbara P. Neal
For those of you who are interested in reading (but are not subscribers
to) the newsletter re DNA, "Facts & Genes" (It is published not quite
monthly by FamilyTreeDNA.com), the latest issue (6/30/04) is available at:
www.familytreeDNA.com
Just click on the top item in the left column, "Monthly Newsletter"
This 6/30 issue contains an article clarifying that the type of DNA
tested for Surname studies (such as our Poythress one) is different from
the type of DNA tested by law enforcement agencies to determine if a
suspect's DNA matches the DNA left at a crime scene.
Great find - many mid1600s Rolfes! Can anyone tell us if there are
interesting Rolfes or other personalities here? If anyone can search the
other refs, pls advise if there are other clues here.
Barry
Abigail m. 2 Mar. 1676, Ezra Rolfe
Hannah m. Daniel Rolfe, and next, 12 June 1658
Elizabeth d/o Rev Benjamin Rolfe of Haverhill, dDec 1769
Daniel Rolfe in 1672
Rebecca Rolfe, Elizabeth b. 5 Mar. 1681
3 May 1647, Hannah, d. prob. of Henry Rolfe
m. 12 June 1658, Hannah, wid of Daniel Rolfe
1 Oct. 1651 divorc her h Thomas Relph, Rolfe, or Relfe
4 Dec. 1666, John Rolfe
ROLFE, Benj 1637
Esther d/o John Rolfe & by her had Esther, b 1639
1638 call. serv John Rolfe & by Henry br/o John R
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Savage's Genealogical Dictionary of the First Planters
Barry, list members and cuzn's:
There has been discussion on the list as to if/or was there other ROLFE
surnames in the colonies at the time or before the time of John ROLFE
husband of Pocahontas.
I found the following Savage Genealogical Dictionary researching for my
ancestors. In the reading I noticed the Rolfe surname. So thought I would
see just if there were any or several of that surname listed in the 4 vols.
that I was going to look thru.
Well following is the names, as I send this they are in bold type and
underlined. I hope they get to the list in this fashion. If not use the
find mode in your browser and it will find them all. I am not researching
the Rolfe surname, only interested in the fact that BURTON shows up in the
down line and I wish to find out how? who? where? when? I have found one
BURTON but not the second one reported to be in the BOLLING downline.
I copy/pasted only the portions designating the ROLFE surname. The URL's
are here for any further invistigating for each Vol and for the Main Page
plus the Abbreviation Symbols.
Good Reading ............
Beej--Fireflower
Savage's Genealogical Dictionary of the First Planters
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A GENEALOGICAL DICTIONARY of THE FIRST SETTLERS OF NEW ENGLAND, SHOWING
THREE GENERATIONS OF THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE MAY, 1692, ON THE BASIS OF
FARMER'S REGISTER.
BY JAMES SAVAGE, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE MASSACHUSETTS HISTORICAL SOCIETY
AND EDITOR OF WINTHROP'S HISTORY OF NEW ENGLAND.
WITH TWO SUPPLEMENTS IN FOUR VOLUMES.
http://puritanism.online.fr/puritanism/Savage/SavageVol1.txt
BOND, GRIMSTONE, Boston, by w. Elizabeth had Elizabeth b. 22 Aug. 1683;
Joseph, 27 Apr. 1685; and Mary, 13 Aug. 1688; freem. 1690. I find it spell.
sometimes Bonrde. JOHN, Newbury, 1642, m. 5 Aug. 1649, Esther Blakely, had
John, b. 10 June 1650; Thomas, 29 Mar. 1652, d. at 8 wks.; Joseph, 14 Apr.
1653; Esther, 3 Sept. 1655; Mary, 16 Dec. 1657; and Abigail, 6 Nov. 1660,
rem. to Rowley, thence to Haverhill, d. 1675. His wid. m. 5 May 1675, the
sec. John Williams of H. Esther m. Aquila Chase; and Abigail m. 2 Mar. 1676,
Ezra Rolfe.
HUMPREY, Ipswich, came in the Elizabeth from Ipswich, Eng. 1634, aged 40,
with w. Bridget, 30; and ch. Hannah, 9; John, 3; Martha, 2; and Mary, 1; had
b. here, Moses; Sarah, 1638; and Rebecca; freem. 6 May 1635, rep. 1635, d.
1655. His will, made 21 July, was pro. 20 Sept. foll. Hannah m. Daniel
Rolfe, and next, 12 June 1658, Nicholas Holt, and d. 20 June 1665; Martha m.
William Beale; and all the other ds. were m. one to Nicholas Wallis.
SAMUEL, Boston, s. of the first Samuel, was ord. the first min. of the New
South ch. 15 Apr. 1719, m. 5 Jan. 1721, Elizabeth d. of Rev. Benjamin Rolfe
of Haverhill, and d. 1 Dec. 1769. He had sev. ch. of wh. one was Samuel, b.
27 Dec. 1723, H. C. 1743, the min. of Old North, successor to three Rev.
Doctors nam. Mather.
PETER, Pemaquid, in 1674 sw. fidel. to Mass. ROBERT, came in the Arabella,
from London, 1671, but I kn. no more of him, unless he were f.-in-law of
that Daniel Rolfe in 1672, wh. was k. in Philip's war.
WILLIAM, Cambridge, s. of Richard, had, by w. Rebecca Rolfe, Elizabeth b. 5
Mar. 1681; Richard, 13 Nov. 1682; Mary, wh. d. 6 Apr. 1685, 2 mos. old;
Hannah, 20 May 1688; John, 15 Oct. 1690; Rebecca, 18 Jan. 1693; William, a.
1697; Samuel 14 June 1700; Sarah, bapt. 18 Oct. 1702; and Ammi Ruhamah, 6
May 1705, H. C. 1725, min. of North Yarmouth; and d. 1 Apr 1723. Four of
this name had been gr. at Harv. in 1834, and six at other N. E. coll.
(see copyright info at end of this file.) [[vol. 2, page 1]]
http://puritanism.online.fr/puritanism/Savage/SavageVol2.txt
RICHARD, Newbury 1639, s. of William, a tanner in Thornbury, Co. Gloucester,
wh. bound him apprent. for 7 yrs. to John Lowell and Mary his w.; came with
Lowell, a youth, b. at Bristol 1624, a merch. m. 3 May 1647, Hannah, d.
prob. of Henry Rolfe, mo. of all his ch. (wh. d. 16 Nov. 1678), had John, b.
10 Aug. 1648; Richard, 6 Sept. 1650; Ann, 26 Mar. 1653; Benjamin, 14 June
1654; Joseph, 6 Aug. 1657; William, 10 Apr. 1660; Henry, 9 Mar. 1663;
Hannah, 23 Oct. 1665;
NICHOLAS, Newbury, a tanner from Romsey in Hants, came in the James 1635,
from Southampton, perhaps with w. arr. at Boston, 3 June, freem. 17 May
1637, had Elizabeth b. 30 Mar. 1636; Mary, 6 Oct. 1638; and Samuel, 6 Oct.
1641; rem. to Andover, where he was one of the found. of the ch. 1645; there
had Henry; Nicholas; James; and John, wh. m. 3 July 1685, Sarah Geary, and
d. 10 Mar. 1687; beside Priscilla wh. d. young, 16 Oct. 1653; he d. 30 Jan.
1685, aged 104 yrs. says the rec. but Coffin, with more prob. says 83. His
first w. d. a. 1654, and he m. 12 June 1658, Hannah, wid of Daniel Rolfe, d.
of Humphrey Bradstreet, wh. d. 20 June 1665; JOHN, Boston, s. of the preced.
by w. Ruth, d. of Richard Gardner of Woburn, had John, b. 24 Aug. 1687,
[[547]] d. young; Ruth, 7 June 1689, d. soon; Ruth, again, 28 June 1690;
John, again, 15 Aug. 1692; and Ann, 9 Apr. 1694. His w. d. 27 Oct. 1695; and
he m. 1 Apr. 1696, Apphia, d. of Benjamin Rolfe of Newbury.
The Guilford John m. Elizabeth Disbrow, 1 Oct. 1651, wh. had been divorc.
that yr. for offence of her h. Thomas Relph, Rolfe, or Relfe, wh. ran off to
R. I. He had four ch. by her, John; Ruth, b. 8 Nov. 1654; Isaac, 8 Mar.
1656; and Abigail, 5 Dec. 1659. His w. d. 23 Dec. 1669; and he d. 1681, in
his will of 22 Nov. that yr. calls hims. 63 yrs. old, nam. these four ch.
JOHN, Rowley 1650, m. 1 Dec. 1655, Hannah, d. of Anthony Crosby, had John,
b. 1668, and Samuel, 1671; beside two ds. He prob. had serv. in Philip's war
for in 1677 he was made capt. of the [[555]] town by the Gen. Ct. JOHN,
Lancaster 1654, may be he of Sudbury, wh. m. 19 Nov. 1657, Deborah, d. of
William Ward, wh. d. 9 Aug.
[[material moved from here to vol. 1 preface, on abbreviations]] [[vol. 3,
page 1]]
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RICHARD, Ipswich 1634, came that yr. with ano. of the same chr. and surname,
perhaps a cous. in the Mary and John, freem. 4 Mar. 1635, rem. with first
sett. to Newbury 1635, left in Eng. Sarah, and other ds. of wh. one,
Rebecca, had m. in Eng. Samuel Scallard, and aft. his d. she came, and,
perhaps, brot. d. Mary, wh. m. 4 Dec. 1666, John Rolfe; and the mo. m. Oct.
1647, John Bishop; but here, says Coffin, he had John, b. 20 July 1645; and
he d. 11 June 1654.
ROLFE, BENJAMIN, Newbury, weaver, gr.s. of Henry, says Coffin, whose only s.
John must then be infer. to be f. but reason is found for call. him br. of
John, and s. of Henry, was b. betw. 1637 and 1640, freem. 1659, or more
prob. 1670, by w. Apphia, wh. he m. 3 Nov. 1659, had John, b. 12 Oct. 1660;
Benjamin, 13 Sept. 1662, H. C. 1684, chaplain to our forces at Falmouth
1689, the sec. min. of Haverhill, ord. Jan. 1694, k. by the Ind. 29 Aug.
1708; Apphia, 8 Mar. 1667; Mary, 16 Sept. 1669, d. young; Samuel, 14 Jan.
1672; Mary, again, 11 Nov. 1674, d. young; Henry, 12 Oct. 1677; Elizabeth 15
Dec. 1679; Nathaniel, 12 Nov. 1681; and Abigail, 5 May 1684. His w. d. 24
Dec. 1708, and he d. 10 Aug. 1710.
(see copyright info at end of file.) [[vol. 4, page 1]]
http://puritanism.online.fr/puritanism/Savage/SavageVol4.txt
JOHN, Weymouth 1622, sent by Weston as gov. or overseer of his planta. gave
up next yr. the undertak. and prob, went home. JOHN, prob. at Ipswich 1635,
freem. 25 May 1636, was permit. with Samuel Dudley and others, to found
Colchester, soon call. Salisbury, perhaps was f. of that Sarah, wh. m. 3
Apr. 1641, Robert Pike of S. Yet possib. JOHN of Newbury sev. yrs. later,
might be thot. her f. and even it might seem that these two were only one
man. But he of S. had w. Esther, d. of John Rolfe, and by her had Esther, b.
5 Sept. 1639; John, 1 July 1641, wh. d. in [[21]] few wks.; Ruth, 16 Dec.
1642; and John, again, 10 Dec. 1644; and he went home, own. an est. in
Wiltsh. leav. his br.-in-law Richard Dole of Newbury, his atty. To prevent
confus. of the two Johns, we may further note, that one of the name came in
the Confidence of London, aged 25, husbandman of Longford, also in Co.
Wilts, with w. Sarah, emb. at Southampton 24 Apr. 1638; and if we accept him
as the John to wh. (with w. Sarah) Coffin gives ch. Sarah, b. 20 Aug. 1647;
Mary, 12 June 1649; Abigail, 12 Apr. 1651, Joseph, 1653, d. soon; and
Elizabeth 26 Jan. 1655; we may feel sure that Pike's w. was not his d. It
may indeed seem that she might have been sis. of either of the two.
THOMAS, Newbury, is, in my opin. that passeng. in the Confidence from
Southampton, 1638, call. serv. of John Rolfe, and by Henry, br. of John R.
in his will nam. as "kinsman." tho. in Geneal. Reg. V. 440, and XIV. 335,
his name is giv. Whittle, was some time at Salisbury, there by w. Ruth had
Mary, b. 9 Oct. 1647; John, 23 Dec. 1649; soon after rem. to Haverhill, had
Ruth, 6 Nov. 1651; Thomas, 12 Jan. 1654; Richard, 27 June 1663; and Joseph,
8 May 1669; was freem. 1666, and d. 28 Nov. 1696. Thomas, Coffin says, d. at
sea, 20 Feb. 1679. Mary m. 21 Sept. 1666,
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07/10/2004 5:17:07
John M. Poythress
July 11, 2004
Pending Crisis in Virginia
The following is a disturbing e-mail that I received from Michael E.
Pollock :
I am writing to you so that you can make the greater genealogical
community aware the Virginia state legislature in its session earlier
this year passed a bill that if not repealed or modified is likely to
have disastrous consequences. Lest your subscribers in either Virginia
or adjoining states think I am referring to the "Sunday off" law for the
repeal of which the Governor has already called an emergency session of
the legislature, I am NOT. I am referring to House Bill 509, which gives
a county clerk sole discretion to destroy public records which are
deemed by the clerk to be inconsequential. While there are provisions
which call for microfilming of most of these records, the law does not
provide ANY sanction against a clerk who, on the grounds of a lack of
money or other reasons, destroys records which have not been
microfilmed, a microfilm copy is not always as "usable" as the actual
record, and the wording of the law allows the public to be denied access
to the microfilm these records by a variety of means for those so
inclined to use them, and some are so inclined.
Some years ago, Mrs. Roy Jordan, a friend of mine, learned of the
existence of birth and death records for the city of Richmond for the
period 1896-1911 which are NOT in the collections of the state Bureau of
Vital Statistics, and arranged with the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City to have the records microfilmed not only so they could be
preserved, but also made available to the public. After the records were
microfilmed, the Commonwealth of Virginia informed the Family History
Library that the birth records less than 100 years old could NOT be made
available to the public because of a state law imposing a restriction of
100 years on birth records. WRONG!!! Said law was not passed until 1910
and applied only to births registered with the Bureau of Vital
Statistics which do not begin until 1911. Not only is there no legal
authority to apply the law retroactively, but these specific births are
city, not state, records, and were recorded without state authorization
to do so, thus are not subject to any state restrictions regarding
public access.
While there are some notable exceptions, most notably Gary Williams (the
clerk in Sussex County), too many clerks consider most of the records of
value to genealogists, often stashed away (rather than filed) in an
out-of-the-way location in a totally random manner and also often
dirty/brittle, to be little more than nuisances, because it is too
time-consuming for the staff to pull these records when the are
requested, and there is no staff to supervise anyone else who might have
been granted access to search the records prior to 9/11. It is not
unusual for a clerk to be unaware of a particular group of records, or
the types of information that might be contained in them, making it very
easy to declare such records "inconsequential" so that they can be
destroyed. Even worse, too few in the genealogical community are aware
of what some of the records can contain, yet there has been no outcry
from the genealogical community.
Without such an outcry, and given the numbers of people from outside
Virginia who come here to do research on their families, it is not just
residents of Virginia who have a stake in this matter, the
unconscionable destruction of valuable records could soon become a fait
accompli. It took several years, and fortunately did not require taking
the matter to court, to get the Commonwealth to acknowledge it had no
authority to restrict access to the aforementioned Richmond birth
records. Court action is not an option here, and the majority of clerks
are likely to resist changing the law to guarantee preservation of the
records because it quite honestly adds to their responsibilities. The
law will be changed only by making it clear to clerks and legislatures
alike that there could be serious financial repercussions in when people
stop traveling to and across Virginia to do research.
Michael E. Pollock
Thank you, Michael. Here is the full text of the bill, as found at:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?041+ful+HB509ER
VIRGINIA ACTS OF ASSEMBLY -- CHAPTER
An Act to amend and reenact § 17.1-213 of the Code of Virginia, relating
to the circuit court clerk's disposition of papers in ended cases.
[H 509]
Approved
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 17.1-213 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as
follows:
§ 17.1-213. Disposition of papers in ended cases.
A. All case files for cases ended prior to January 1, 1913, shall be
permanently maintained in hardcopy form, either in the locality served
by the circuit court where such files originated or in The Library of
Virginia in accordance with the provisions of §§ 42.1-83 and 42.1-86.
B. The following records for cases ending on or after January 1, 1913,
may be destroyed in their entirety at the discretion of the clerk of
each circuit court after having been retained for ten 10 years after
conclusion:
1. Conditional sales contracts;
2. Concealed weapons permit applications;
3. Minister appointments;
4. Petitions for appointment of trustee;
5. Name changes;
6. Nolle prosequi cases;
7. Law and chancery matters that are voluntarily dismissed, including
nonsuits, cases that are dismissed as settled and agreed, cases that are
dismissed with or without prejudice, cases that are discontinued or
dismissed under § 8.01-335 and district court appeals dismissed under §
16.1-113 prior to 1988;
8. Misdemeanor and traffic cases, including those which were commenced
on a felony charge but concluded as a misdemeanor;
9. Suits to enforce a lien;
10. Garnishments;
11. Executions except for those covered in § 8.01-484;
12. Miscellaneous oaths and qualifications, but only if the order or
oath or qualification is spread in the appropriate order book; and
13. Civil cases pertaining to declarations of habitual offender status
and full restoration of driving privileges.
C. All other records or cases ending on or after January 1, 1913, may be
destroyed in their entirety at the discretion of the clerk of each
circuit court subject to the following guidelines:
1. All civil and chancery case files to which subsection D does not
pertain may be destroyed after twenty 20 years from the court order
date.
2. All criminal cases dismissed, including those not a true bill,
acquittals and not guilty verdicts, may be destroyed after ten 10 years
from the court order date.
3. All criminal case files involving a felony conviction may be
destroyed (i) after twenty 20 years from the sentencing date or (ii)
when the sentence term ends, whichever comes later.
D. Under the provisions of subsections B and C, the entire file of any
case deemed by the local clerk of court to have historical value, as
defined in § 42.1-77, or genealogical or sensational significance shall
be retained permanently as shall all cases in which the title to real
estate is established, conveyed or condemned by an order or decree of
the court. The final order for all cases in which the title to real
estate is so affected shall include an appropriate notification thereof
to the clerk.
E. Except as provided in subsection A, the clerk of a circuit court may
cause (i) any or all ended records, papers, or documents pertaining to
law, chancery, and criminal cases which have been ended for a period of
three years or longer, (ii) any unexecuted search warrants and
affidavits for unexecuted search warrants, provided at least three years
have passed since issued, (iii) any abstracts of judgments, and (iv)
original wills, to be destroyed if such records, papers, documents, or
wills no longer have administrative, fiscal, historical, or legal value
to warrant continued retention, provided such records, papers, or
documents have been microfilmed or converted to an electronic format.
Such microfilm and microphotographic process processes and equipment
shall meet state archival microfilm standards pursuant to § 42.1-82, or
such electronic format shall follow state electronic records guidelines,
and such microfilm records, papers, or documents so converted shall be
placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for
examining and using same. The clerk shall further provide security
negative copies of any such microfilmed materials for storage in The
Library of Virginia.
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07/11/2004 3:43:48
Re: Papers, scripts etc
ted d jones
Col Theodorick Bland, Patrick Henry, Peter Poythress , Col Richard Bland
b1710, John Randolph, Richard Henry Lee, Francis Lee, Benjamin Harrison,
Robert Bolling, Lightfoot Harry Lee and son Gen Robert E Lee, plus scores of
others would roll over in their graves over this problem. It makes one
wonder just who did this legislative act or if it was a local who does not
like history of the early day's in Virginia. I did read the material, one I
could not open. If these listed men were living they would not let this act
pass. There's something about all of this that smell's. Where are you
SCHOLAR'S? Overworked, under paid is experienced by all of us. What's the
excuse there in Virginia, I'm guessing but no, that couldn't be? Will any
one come out and match the boldness of any one of the ABOVE and put up a
fight over this situation. Should we all send e-mails requesting a fix on
what(may) happen? in the Historical HUB.
A Mississippian who has an interest in the above names.
But I lack in political means as we have very little of this here. The one's
have written have not replied!!! on other matter's like disabled veterans
tj3227@cablelynx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:43 PM
July 11, 2004
Pending Crisis in Virginia
The following is a disturbing e-mail that I received from Michael E.
Pollock :
I am writing to you so that you can make the greater genealogical
community aware the Virginia state legislature in its session earlier
this year passed a bill that if not repealed or modified is likely to
have disastrous consequences. Lest your subscribers in either Virginia
or adjoining states think I am referring to the "Sunday off" law for the
repeal of which the Governor has already called an emergency session of
the legislature, I am NOT. I am referring to House Bill 509, which gives
a county clerk sole discretion to destroy public records which are
deemed by the clerk to be inconsequential. While there are provisions
which call for microfilming of most of these records, the law does not
provide ANY sanction against a clerk who, on the grounds of a lack of
money or other reasons, destroys records which have not been
microfilmed, a microfilm copy is not always as "usable" as the actual
record, and the wording of the law allows the public to be denied access
to the microfilm these records by a variety of means for those so
inclined to use them, and some are so inclined.
Some years ago, Mrs. Roy Jordan, a friend of mine, learned of the
existence of birth and death records for the city of Richmond for the
period 1896-1911 which are NOT in the collections of the state Bureau of
Vital Statistics, and arranged with the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City to have the records microfilmed not only so they could be
preserved, but also made available to the public. After the records were
microfilmed, the Commonwealth of Virginia informed the Family History
Library that the birth records less than 100 years old could NOT be made
available to the public because of a state law imposing a restriction of
100 years on birth records. WRONG!!! Said law was not passed until 1910
and applied only to births registered with the Bureau of Vital
Statistics which do not begin until 1911. Not only is there no legal
authority to apply the law retroactively, but these specific births are
city, not state, records, and were recorded without state authorization
to do so, thus are not subject to any state restrictions regarding
public access.
While there are some notable exceptions, most notably Gary Williams (the
clerk in Sussex County), too many clerks consider most of the records of
value to genealogists, often stashed away (rather than filed) in an
out-of-the-way location in a totally random manner and also often
dirty/brittle, to be little more than nuisances, because it is too
time-consuming for the staff to pull these records when the are
requested, and there is no staff to supervise anyone else who might have
been granted access to search the records prior to 9/11. It is not
unusual for a clerk to be unaware of a particular group of records, or
the types of information that might be contained in them, making it very
easy to declare such records "inconsequential" so that they can be
destroyed. Even worse, too few in the genealogical community are aware
of what some of the records can contain, yet there has been no outcry
from the genealogical community.
Without such an outcry, and given the numbers of people from outside
Virginia who come here to do research on their families, it is not just
residents of Virginia who have a stake in this matter, the
unconscionable destruction of valuable records could soon become a fait
accompli. It took several years, and fortunately did not require taking
the matter to court, to get the Commonwealth to acknowledge it had no
authority to restrict access to the aforementioned Richmond birth
records. Court action is not an option here, and the majority of clerks
are likely to resist changing the law to guarantee preservation of the
records because it quite honestly adds to their responsibilities. The
law will be changed only by making it clear to clerks and legislatures
alike that there could be serious financial repercussions in when people
stop traveling to and across Virginia to do research.
Michael E. Pollock
Thank you, Michael. Here is the full text of the bill, as found at:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?041+ful+HB509ER
VIRGINIA ACTS OF ASSEMBLY -- CHAPTER
An Act to amend and reenact § 17.1-213 of the Code of Virginia, relating
to the circuit court clerk's disposition of papers in ended cases.
[H 509]
Approved
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That § 17.1-213 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as
follows:
§ 17.1-213. Disposition of papers in ended cases.
A. All case files for cases ended prior to January 1, 1913, shall be
permanently maintained in hardcopy form, either in the locality served
by the circuit court where such files originated or in The Library of
Virginia in accordance with the provisions of §§ 42.1-83 and 42.1-86.
B. The following records for cases ending on or after January 1, 1913,
may be destroyed in their entirety at the discretion of the clerk of
each circuit court after having been retained for ten 10 years after
conclusion:
1. Conditional sales contracts;
2. Concealed weapons permit applications;
3. Minister appointments;
4. Petitions for appointment of trustee;
5. Name changes;
6. Nolle prosequi cases;
7. Law and chancery matters that are voluntarily dismissed, including
nonsuits, cases that are dismissed as settled and agreed, cases that are
dismissed with or without prejudice, cases that are discontinued or
dismissed under § 8.01-335 and district court appeals dismissed under §
16.1-113 prior to 1988;
8. Misdemeanor and traffic cases, including those which were commenced
on a felony charge but concluded as a misdemeanor;
9. Suits to enforce a lien;
10. Garnishments;
11. Executions except for those covered in § 8.01-484;
12. Miscellaneous oaths and qualifications, but only if the order or
oath or qualification is spread in the appropriate order book; and
13. Civil cases pertaining to declarations of habitual offender status
and full restoration of driving privileges.
C. All other records or cases ending on or after January 1, 1913, may be
destroyed in their entirety at the discretion of the clerk of each
circuit court subject to the following guidelines:
1. All civil and chancery case files to which subsection D does not
pertain may be destroyed after twenty 20 years from the court order
date.
2. All criminal cases dismissed, including those not a true bill,
acquittals and not guilty verdicts, may be destroyed after ten 10 years
from the court order date.
3. All criminal case files involving a felony conviction may be
destroyed (i) after twenty 20 years from the sentencing date or (ii)
when the sentence term ends, whichever comes later.
D. Under the provisions of subsections B and C, the entire file of any
case deemed by the local clerk of court to have historical value, as
defined in § 42.1-77, or genealogical or sensational significance shall
be retained permanently as shall all cases in which the title to real
estate is established, conveyed or condemned by an order or decree of
the court. The final order for all cases in which the title to real
estate is so affected shall include an appropriate notification thereof
to the clerk.
E. Except as provided in subsection A, the clerk of a circuit court may
cause (i) any or all ended records, papers, or documents pertaining to
law, chancery, and criminal cases which have been ended for a period of
three years or longer, (ii) any unexecuted search warrants and
affidavits for unexecuted search warrants, provided at least three years
have passed since issued, (iii) any abstracts of judgments, and (iv)
original wills, to be destroyed if such records, papers, documents, or
wills no longer have administrative, fiscal, historical, or legal value
to warrant continued retention, provided such records, papers, or
documents have been microfilmed or converted to an electronic format.
Such microfilm and microphotographic process processes and equipment
shall meet state archival microfilm standards pursuant to § 42.1-82, or
such electronic format shall follow state electronic records guidelines,
and such microfilm records, papers, or documents so converted shall be
placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for
examining and using same. The clerk shall further provide security
negative copies of any such microfilmed materials for storage in The
Library of Virginia.
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07/12/2004 5:46:36
Re: NC research Poythress - MARS at NC State Archives
BPN:
I missed the message to which this message responds. My dad lives in Raleigh and might have time to look at MARS for us. Would you send me and him the message from Barry?
STeve
In a message dated 7/7/2004 11:57:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Barbara P. Neal" writes:
>Thanks, Barry, of alerting us to this resource, MARS at the NC State
>Archives, & the potential for great payoff. Appreciate the time you took
>to give us a good example at the bottom of your message. Hopefully one
>or more of us will have time to pursue this.
>Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
>
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07/12/2004 6:22:33
RE: my Poythress lineage
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Poythress [mailto:bryanpoyth@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:17 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: my Poythress lineage
Hi,
My name is Bryan Poythress. I live in the Fort Myers
FL area currently, but my family is from North
Carolina. I'm just getting back into this research
again, and I'm not really that deep.
If I remember correctly, you are the preeminent
authority on all that is Mecklenberg County
Poythress'. I have recently found out, through census
records, that my family traces back to Mecklenberg
County.. My lineage is as follows (ending with me):
John Lewis Poythress (b approx 1831)
Joshua E. Poythress (b approx 1854)
John William Poythress (b approx 1877)
Claude Raymond Poythress, Sr. (b 1918)
Claude Raymond Poythress, Jr. (b 1942)
Bryan Poythress (b 1971)
The trail goes cold there for me. I found my 3 greats
grandfather in the Mecklenberg County census records
back in 1860, as a 29 year old farm laborer. This is
where I get the approximate birth year in 1831. His
wife, shown in the census record and verified by my
Grandfather, was Tabitha. Also shown in the census
record are the names and ages of the children, one of
which is my 2 greats grandfather, Joshua E. so I have
confidence that this record is indeed my family. I
also believe that the Jno L that shows up in the 1880
census in Franklin County is the same John Lewis from
Mecklenberg in the 1860 census. I have not found
census records from 1900, 1890, 1870, or any before
the 1860 records, but I'm not done looking. Of course,
as I'm sure you know, the records become less helpful
prior to 1830) They may just not exist. I have
"traced" my family back this far, and feel somewhat
confidant as verified by census records (mostly
Franklin County NC) up through my grandfather at
around 12 in the 1930 census.
I apologize for the length of this email, but I'm
hoping that you may have some information about my
family. If you can, I'd appreciate any help you can
give.
Thanks,
Bryan Poythress
>>>>>>>
Hi Bryan, always nice to hear from long lost cuzzens out there. Thanks
for the compliment but I am by no means the Mecklenburg expert; however,
there is access to several who are prowling about on the very line you
cite.
I'm copying the Poythress list (Poythress-l@rootsweb.com) and I'm
confident one or more of them will share their information. I'll also
suggest that when you strike up a "conversation" with one or more you
both use the "bulletin board" address above. I have found that sending
a question to over a hundred folks has a lot better chance of getting
answered than sending a question to just one.
My guy (Meredith Poythress) seems to have hit Mecklenburg only long
enough to get married and head for Georgia so my Mecklenburg data base
is largely that material I have saved from others and I don't have it
well organized. Not a very good excuse but it's the only one I have.
Your question hits at a pretty good time. We are just beginning to
realize how many of those folks from Mecklenburg/Prince George, etc.
slipped across the border looking for new land or whatever. The
participation of North Carolinians has picked up substantially in the
last few months.
You may also wish to visit the Poythress webpage
www.poythress.net and I think you will find a ton of information there.
Good luck, I'll be watching the board hoping we have another active
player in our group.
Best,
Maynard Poythress
07/17/2004 5:59:21
Mecklenburg/Lunenburg
John M. Poythress
Below as information. Their first obligation is obviously to their own
taxpayers but it's a shame we can't have a little piece of the action. Maynard
The Southside Regional Library system which serves residents of
Mecklenburg and Lunenburg Counties has recently subscribed to the
Heritage Quest database that includes access to all the US census
images. The database also includes text to thousands of local and
family history books and the PERSI index. High-speed internet access to
the database is available from within any of the Southside Regional
Library branches. Branches are located in Boydton, Chase City,
Clarksville, South Hill, Kenbridge, and Victoria.
Home access to the database is also available with a Southside Regional
Library card. For home access, go to www.srlib.org and click "Online
Databases." Then click on the words "Heritage Quest Online" and enter
your library card number in the pop-up box. The Heritage Quest icon
provides access only from within the library.
To obtain a Southside Regional Library card, proof of name and address
must be provided in person at any branch. See the policy at:
http://www.youseemore.com/southside/about.asp?p=3.
The on-line catalog of the Southside Regional Library at www.srlib.org can also be searched for genealogy related
books for Mecklenburg and Lunenburg Counties.
Happy ancestor hunting!
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
316 Washington St.
P. O. Box 10
Boydton, VA 23917
Phone: 434-738-6580
FAX: 434-738-6070
www.srlib.org
07/17/2004 10:56:26
Martha Poythress m.1739 d.1751
Would appreciate help regarding this Martha Poythress, whom I found in the
Bible
Records on Ancestry.com Historical Records. The title is Bible Records of
Robertson & Legrand from Virginia State Library & Archives. These records were on
the inside front cover of a Bible owned by Robert L. Gilliam from South
Boston, VA. No area of Virginia was mentioned.
Could anyone tell me who Martha's father and mother were?
John Robertson & Martha Poythress were mar by Rev Ale. Finnie 9 Dec. 1739
Their son John b. 4 Aprl 1742
Their dau Mary b. 16 Sept 1744
Their son Francis b. 10 Feb 1747/6
Their dau. Martha b. 22 Jan 1749/50
Their dau. Elizabeth b. 11 May 1751 dyed 16 Feb next
Mrs. Martha Robertson departed this life 24th May 1751
In looking at the Batte Chart, I noted he had Robert (1690-1745)s/o John &
Christian who had a daughter named Elizabeth who married a John Gilliam. The
only other Martha Poythress I have seen was in the CT Records of Prince George
of 1738 - summoned as evidence of Peter Wynne. This may or may not be a clue as
I am ever puzzled with these Poythress records and timelines.
Thank you very much for any help you can offer.
Mary Jean Z
07/17/2004 12:32:24
Descendant Story of Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN
Barry Wetherington
Hi All Poca-L & Thanks Beej--Fireflower,
This quite interesting Poca TREE appears familiar from before, but it may
also have new information, so I would prefer to have it avail for your
research in our RootsWeb Pocahontas Research Archives (where the Poca-L
Rootsweb List can be subscribed for free):
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
for research potential.
Also NOTE from below: 4a John ROLFE-000005
John was born 06 May 1585 at Heacham, Norfolk.
John ROLFE died March 1622 at James City, possibly murdered by Powhatan's
successor, Opechancanough, the uncle of Pocahontas, in the massacre of
1622.", see below.
. . . . .
4 Matoaka POCAHONTAS POWHATAN-000007
POCAHONTAS was born 17 Sep 1595 at Gloucester side of the York River, VA.
The younger daughter of Powhatan, chief of a federation of Algonquian Indian
tribes who lived in the tidewater region of Virginia..
POCAHONTAS was christened 1614 at Henrico, VA.
POCAHONTAS died Mar 1617 at Gravesend, Kent of Small pox, just after
sailing from London with her husband and son, return to Virginia..
POCAHONTAS was buried 21 Mar 1617 at Gravesend, Kent, St George's Church
POCAHONTAS and John ROLFE-000005 {FRN-000004} (the son of John
ROLFE-000001 and Dorothea MASON-000002) were married 05 Apr1614 at the
Anglican Church, Jamestown, VA. Married by puritan Rev. Richard Bucke., See
below.. . . . . . .
For attribution,
Alan Cheshire is identified as having produced at least a portion of
this, (see Alan Rickards Ringmaster), but also see the other attributions,
the avail email addresses of which I have copied:
"SOURCES
"Pocahontas The Life & The Legend" by Frances Mossiker
Bruce Howard - 102720.2721@Compuserve.COM
Roy Johnson - PaceNetwrk@aol.com
"Pocahontas Powhatan Peacemaker" by Anne Holler and
"Pocahontas The Life & The Legend" by Frances Mossiker
Tom Nunamaker"http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=vagenring;action=home
http://alancheshire.tripod.com/vagenring.html
& see further join info below.
Barry
The Descendant Story of Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN
http://members.tripod.com/~AlanCheshire/index-28.html
GENERATION 1
1 "Dashing Stream"-000099
"Dashing Stream" and (spouse unknown)-0000000 {FRN-000039} were married.
They had the following children:
2+ i "Scent Flower"-000095
GENERATION 2
2 "Scent Flower"-000095
"Scent Flower" and (spouse unknown)-000000 {FRN-000038} were married.
They had the following children:
3 + i Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 was born C 1540 at Algonquian village of
Powhatan, James River
(Alternative Date & Place of Birth: 1545, New River, VA)
died Apr 1618 at VA.
GENERATION 3
3 Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
Wahunsonacock was born C 1540 at Algonkian village of Powhatan, James River
(Alternative Date & Place of Birth: 1545, New River, VA.)
Wahunsonacock died Apr 1618 at VA.
Wahunsonacock and NONOMA-000036 {FRN-000017} were married.
They had the following children:
4 + i Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN-000007 was born 17 Sep 1595 at Gloucester
side of the York River, VA The younger daughter of Wahunsonacock Powhatan,
chief of a federation of Algonquian Indian tribes who lived in the tidewater
region of Virginia;
died Mar 1617 at Gravesend, Kent, England of Smallpox, just after sailing
from London with her husband and son, return to Virginia.
5 ii Cleopatra POWHATAN-000096.
6 iii Matachannu POWHATAN-000097.
7 iv Namontack POWHATAN-000098.
Wahunsonacock and WINGANUSKE-000037 {FRN-000020} were married.k
Wahunsonacock and ASHETOISKE-000038 {FRN-000021} were married.
Wahunsonacock and AMOPOTOISKE-000039 {FRN-000022} were married.
Wahunsonacock and OTTOPOMTACKE-000040 {FRN-000023} were married.
Wahunsonacock and ATTOSSOCOMISKE-000041 {FRN-000024} were married.
Wahunsonacock and PONNOISKE-000042 {FRN-000025} were married.
Wahunsonacock and APPOMOSISCUT-000043 {FRN-000026} were married.
Wahunsonacock and APPIMMONOISKE-000044 {FRN-000027} were married.
Wahunsonacock and ORTOUGHNOISKE-000045 {FRN-000028} were married.
Wahunsonacock and OWEROUGHWOUGH-000046 {FRN-000029} were married.
Wahunsonacock and OTTERMISKE-000047 {FRN-000030} were married.
3a NONOMA-000036
Nonoma and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-000017}
(the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
They had the children previously listed.
3b WINGANUSKE-000037
WINGANUSKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000020} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.k
:
3c ASHETOISKE-000038
ASHETOISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000021} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3d AMOPOTOISKE-000039
AMOPOTOISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000022} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3e OTTOPOMTACKE-000040
OTTOPOMTACKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
{FRN-000023} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3f ATTOSSOCOMISKE-000041
ATTOSSOCOMISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
{FRN-000024} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
3g PONNOISKE-000042
PONNOISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000025}(the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
3h APPOMOSISCUT-000043
APPOMOSISCUT and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000026} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3i APPIMMONOISKE-000044
APPIMMONOISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
{FRN-000027} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
3j ORTOUGHNOISKE-000045
ORTOUGHNOISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
{FRN-000028} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3k OWEROUGHWOUGH-000046
OWEROUGHWOUGH and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031
{FRN-000029} (the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
3l OTTERMISKE-000047
OTTERMISKE and Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 {FRN-
000030}(the son of "Scent Flower"-000095) were married.
:
GENERATION 4
4 Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN-000007
Pocahontas was born 17 Sep 1595 at Gloucester side of the York River, VA.
The younger daughter of Powhatan, chief of a federation of Algonquian Indian
tribes who lived in the tidewater region of Virginia..
Pocahontas was christened 1614 at Henrico, VA.
Pocahontas died Mar 1617 at Gravesend, Kent of Small pox, just after sailing
from London with her husband and son, return to Virginia..
Pocahontas was buried 21 Mar 1617 at Gravesend, Kent, St George's Church
Pocahontas and John ROLFE-000005 {FRN-000004} (the son of John ROLFE-000001
and Dorothea MASON-000002) were married 05 Apr1614 at the Anglican Church,
Jamestown, VA. Married by puritan Rev. Richard Bucke.
They had the following children:
8 + i Thomas ROLFE-000015 was born 30 Jan 1614 at Smith's Plantation, VA;
died C 1675 at VA.
Pocahontas has an alternate name of Rebecca.
Pocahontas and KOCOUM-000032 {FRN-000018} were married 1610
:
4a John ROLFE-000005
John was born 06 May 1585 at Heacham, Norfolk.
John died March 1622 at James City, possibly murdered by Powhatan's
successor, Opechancanough, the uncle of Pocahontas, in the massacre of 1622.
.
John and Sarah-000006 {FRN-000003} were married.
They had the following children:
9 i Bermuda ROLFE-000008 was born 1610 at Bermuda; was christened 21 Feb
1610; died 1610 at Bermuda.
John and Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN-000007 {FRN-000004}
(the daughter of Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 and
NONOMA-000036) were married 05 Apr 1614 at the Anglican Church, Jamestown,
VA. Married by puritan Rev. Richard Bucke.
:
They had the children previously listed.
John and Jane PIERCE-000009 {FRN-000005} were married 1619.
:
They had the following children:
10 i Elizabeth ROLFE-000010 was born 1620.
4c Sarah-000006
(Maiden name not known) died 1610 at Bermuda.
Sarah and John ROLFE-000005 {FRN-000003} (the son of John
ROLFE-000001 and Dorothea MASON-000002) were married.
:
They had the children previously listed.
4d Jane PIERCE-000009
Jane and John ROLFE-000005 {FRN-000005} (the son of John
ROLFE-000001 and Dorothea MASON-000002) were married 1619.
:
They had the children previously listed.
Jane and Roger SMITH-000011 {FRN-000006} were married 1622.
4e Roger SMITH-000011
Roger and Jane PIERCE-000009 {FRN-000006} were married 1622.
:
4b KOCOUM-000032
Kocoum and Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN-000007 {FRN-
000018} (the daughter of Wahunsonacock POWHATAN-000031 and
NONOMA-000036) were married 1610.
Kocoum was a Patawomeke warrior..
GENERATION 5
8 Thomas ROLFE-000015
Thomas was born 30 Jan 1614 at Smith's Plantation, VA.
Thomas died C 1675 at VA.
Thomas and Jane POYTHRESS-000016 {FRN-000008} (the daughter
of Francis POYTHRESS (Captain)-000021 and Alice PAYTON-
000022) were married C1640 at VA.
:
They had the following children:
11 + i Jane ROLFE-000017 was born 10 Oct 1650 at Henrico Co. died 1676 at
Kippax, Charles City, VA.
"In 1616, John Rolfe and his wife, Pocahontas, in company with Sir Thomas
Dale, also of the company, ventured to England to show off the Princess to
the King and Queen. While in London she gave birth to their only child, a
son, Thomas Rolfe. Not long after this Pocahontas died at Gravesend.
John returned to his beloved Virginia with his young son and when Thomas was
old enough to attend school John sent him to England for that purpose and he
took lodgings, and was under the care and tutorship of his uncle, Henry
Rolfe. Thomas thereafter returned to his home in Virginia and settled on a
large estate in old Henrico County (now Chesterfield) above where Petersburg
now is. He married Miss Jane Poythress and by her had one daughter, Jane
Rolfe, before his untimely death.
The American Colonies of the seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries all
had stringent laws prohibiting interracial marriages. Because Pocahontas and
John Rolfe were married very early in the seventeenth century with the
approval of the then Governor of the colony, and because Pocahontas was of
royal (albeit aborigine) blood, the statutes in Virginia made an exception
in their case.
The laws of the other colonies, however, were very strict, and the
punishment was severe. Thus, Thomas Rolfe was "safe" but only in Virginia or
back in England. He chose to return to Virginia to claim the vast amount of
land Powhatan had given the couple when John and Pocahontas married. When
Jane Poythress died, after bearing an only daughter, Thomas Rolfe is reputed
to have left Virginia and moved to North Carolina, where he is also reputed
to have married again. With the laws of North Carolina so strict, both then
and during the next century or so, it is understandable that Thomas would
never have mentioned the fact that he was half Indian, nor would that
information have likely been passed down in the family tales.
If, in fact, Thomas did remarry after he left Virginia and sired a number of
male children, it would be reasonable to assume that one or more of them
returned to the motherland, particularly if they knew of their ancestor's
ethnic background and were therefore nervous about remaining in the
colonies."
8a Jane POYTHRESS-000016
Jane was born C 1630 at Jamestown, VA.
Jane died 1680 January at Charles City, VA.
Jane and Thomas ROLFE-000015 {FRN-000008} (the son of John
ROLFE-000005 and Matoaka Pocahontas POWHATAN-000007) were
married C1640 at VA.
:
They had the children previously listed.
Jane and Robert WYNNE-000023 {FRN-000010} (the son of Peter WYNNE-000024 and
Martha COPPIN-000025) were married.
:
8b Robert WYNNE-000023
Robert was born 1622 at Canterbury, Kent.
Robert died 1678 at Charles City Co., VA.
Robert and Jane POYTHRESS-000016 {FRN-000010} (the daughter of
Francis POYTHRESS (Captain)-000021 and Alice PAYTON-000022)
were married.
:
GENERATION 6
11 Jane ROLFE-000017
Jane was born 10 Oct 1650 at Henrico Co. VA.
Jane died 1676 at Kippax, Charles City, VA.
Jane and Robert BOLLING-000018 {FRN-000011} (the son of John
BOLLING-000054 and Mary CAREY-000055) were married 1675.
:
They had the following children:
12 + i John BOLLING (Colonel)-000019 was born 26 Jan
1675 at Kippax, Charles City, VA; died 20 Apr 1729 at Cobbs, Henrico Co. VA
"Jane Poythress had one daughter, Jane Rolfe, from her marriage to Thomas
Rolfe before his untimely death. This daughter later married Mr Robert
Bolling, an English man who came to live in Virginia, and they had one son,
John
Bolling before her untimely death."
11a Robert BOLLING-000018
Robert was born 26 Dec 1646 at All Hallows, Barking, Essex, England.
Robert died 07 Jul 1709 at Kippax, Charles City, VA.
(Alternative date of death 17 June 1709)
.
Robert and Jane ROLFE-000017 {FRN-000011} (the daughter of
Thomas ROLFE-000015 and Jane POYTHRESS-000016) were
married 1675.
:
They had the children previously listed.
Robert was baptised at All Hallows, Barking, Essex, emigrated to America,
arrived 2 Oct 1660 at age 13, married 1675 to Jane (daughter of Thomas Rolfe
and great-grand-daughter to Pocahontas).
His wife died the next year, 1676, leaving one child, John Bolling, b.26/27
Jan 1676. Robert then married in 1681 Jane Anne Stith: Seven children -
Robert, Stith, Edward, Anne, Drury, Thomas and Agnes.
Descendants of Jane Anne Stith-Bolling are referred to as the "White
Bollings" and descendants of Jane Rolfe-Bolling are referred to as the "Red
Bollings".
Robert Bolling died at Kippax, Virginia 17 June 1709.
Robert and Jane Anne STITH-000020 {FRN-000032} were married 1681.
:
They had the following children:
13 i Robert BOLLING II-000033.
14 ii Stith BOLLING-000034.
15 iii Edward BOLLING-000048.
16 iv Anne BOLLING-000049.
17 v Drury BOLLING-000050.
18 vi Thomas BOLLING-000051.
19 vii Agnes BOLLING-000052 was born 1700; died 1762.
20 viii Mollie BOLLING-000053 was born 1702 at VA (In question).
11b Jane Anne STITH-000020
Jane and Robert BOLLING-000018 {FRN-000032} (the son of John
BOLLING-000054 and Mary CAREY-000055) were married 1681.
:
They had the children previously listed.
GENERATION 7
12 John BOLLING (Colonel)-000019
John was born 26 Jan 1675 at Kippax, Charles City, VA.
John died 20 Apr 1729 at Cobbs, Henrico Co., VA.
John and Mary KENYON-000058 {FRN-000035} were married.
They had the following children:
21 i John BOLLING (Major)-000059 was born 20 Jan 1700 at Henrico Co., VA;
died 06 Sep 1757 at Flat Gap, Wise Co., VA.
22 ii Jane BOLLING-000060 was born 1703; died 1766.
23 iii Mary BOLLING-000061 was born 1711.
24 iv Elizabeth BOLLING-000062 was born 1709.
25 v Martha BOLLING-000063 was born 1713; died 23 Oct 1749.
26 vi Anne BOLLING-000064.
27 vii Evelina BOLLING-000065.
28 viii Susan BOLLING-000066.
12a Mary KENYON-000058
Mary was born C 1678 at Conjurer's Kneck, Henrico Co., VA.
Mary died 29 Jun 1727 at Cobbs, Henrico Co., VA.
Mary and John BOLLING (Colonel)-000019 {FRN-000035} (the son of Robert
BOLLING-000018 and Jane ROLFE-000017) were married.
:
They had the children previously listed.
GENERATION 8
21 John BOLLING (Major)-000059
John was born 20 Jan 1700 at Henrico Co., VA.
John died 06 Sep 1757 at Flat Gap, Wise Co., VA.
John and Mary Elizabeth BLAIR-000067 {FRN-000036} were married 01 Aug 1728
at Chesterfield Co., VA.
They had the following children:
29 i Metotaka BOLLING-000068 was born 03 Jul 1729.
30 ii Archibald (First) BOLLING-000069 was born 01 Jun 1730; died 1737.
31 iii Elizabeth BOLLING-000070 was born 05 Apr 1731.
32 iv William BOLLING-000071 was born 05 Apr 1731; died 1776 at the American
Revolution.
33 v Gerrard Jarrett BOLLING/-000072 was born 03 Jun 1732; died 1780 at NC.
34 vi Martha BOLLING-000073 was born 15 Jul 1733.
35 + vii Benjamin BOLLING-000074 was born 30 Jun 1734 at Cobbs, Henrico Co.,
VA; died 20 Jan 1832 at Flat Gap, Russell or Wise Co., VA.
36 viii Dorthea BOLLING-000075 was born 30 Jun 1734 at Cobbs, Henrico Co.,
VA.
37 ix Thomas BOLLING-000076 was born 07 Jul 1735; died 07 Aug 1804.
38 x John William BOLLING-000077 was born 24 Jun 1737; died 1800.
39 xi Robert BOLLING (Colonel)-000078 was born 17 Aug 738; died 1775.
40 xii Jane BOLLING-000079 was born 13 Jul 1740 of Roanoak.; died 1776.
41 xiii Rodney BOLLING-000080 was born 18 Sep 1742; died 1778.
42 xiv Mary BOLLING-000081 was born 16 Jul 1744; died 1812.
43 xv Rolfe BOLLING-000082 was born 16 Jul 1744.
44 xvi Edward BOLLING-000083 was born 09 Sep 1746; died 10 Aug 1770.
45 xvii Sarah BOLLING-000084 was born 16 Jun 1748.
46 xviii Archibald BOLLING-000085 was born 21 Mar 1750; died 1827.
47 xix Anne BOLLING-000086 was born 07 Feb 1752.
48 xx Powhatan BOLLING-000087 was born 16 Apr 1754.
49 xxi James BOLLING ???-000088 was born 1756.
21a Mary Elizabeth BLAIR-000067
Mary was born 20 Jan 1709.
Mary died 22 Apr 1775.
Mary and John BOLLING (Major)-000059 {FRN-000036} (the son of John BOLLING
(Colonel)-000019 and Mary KENYON-000058) were married 01 Aug 1728 at
Chesterfield Co., VA.
They had the children previously listed.
GENERATION 9
35 Benjamin BOLLING-000074
Benjamin was born 30 Jun 1734 at Cobbs, Henrico Co., VA.
Benjamin died 20 Jan 1832 at Flat Gap, Russell or Wise Co., VA.
Benjamin and Patsy FELTS-000089 {FRN-000037} were married.
They had the following children:
50 i Justice BOLLING-000090.
51 ii Benjamin BOLLING II-000091.
52 iii John BOLLING-000092 was born 1755.
53 iv William BOLLING-000093 was born 1757.
54 v Elizabeth BOLLING-000094 was born 1767.
35a Patsy FELTS-000089
Patsy was born C 1734.
Patsy died 1767.
Patsy and Benjamin BOLLING-000074 {FRN-000037} (the son of John
BOLLING (Major)-000059 and Mary Elizabeth BLAIR-000067) were married.
They had the children previously listed.
SOURCES
"Pocahontas The Life & The Legend" by Frances Mossiker
Bruce Howard - 102720.2721@Compuserve.COM
Roy Johnson - PaceNetwrk@aol.com
"Pocahontas Powhatan Peacemaker" by Anne Holler and
"Pocahontas The Life & The Legend" by Frances Mossiker
Tom Nunamaker
HomePage!"Virginia Genealogy Webring, by Alan Rickards
Virginia Genealogy Webring
If you maintain a website which is wholly or partly devoted to Virginia
Genealogy, you are invited to join the Virginia Genealogy Webring linking
together VA genealogists throughout the internet world.
Since the Webring organisation was taken over by Yahoo, I have experienced a
number of problems with the original webring system. With regret, I have
decided to move the webring to RingSurf, which operates more like the
original Webring Organisation.
The joining instruction are very simple and can be found by going to the
Virginia Genealogy Webring - Ring Information page :
After completing a short form you will receive a smal fragment of html
coding which should be placed on either the registered page or the
alternative page, if you have specified one.
PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU WILL NEED TO UPLOAD THE LOGO BELOW (/vagenring.gif) TO
YOUR SERVER AND AMEND ACCORDINGLY THE REFERENCE IN THE CODING TO "##YOUR
SERVER##".
Please e-mail me by clicking below if you have any further queries.
07/27/2004 12:28:05
new website for Bollings, Poca
Barry Wetherington
Hi Pocas,
Here is a new website for the Bollings - note the page for Poca, listed
as:
POWHATAN, Pocahontas Rebecca:
Many of you already know about this free site but others may not:
http://users.rcn.com/deeds/ is a gold mine.
Maynard
08/02/2004 3:03:41
Perhaps a source of info
koswcartist
This was from the rootsweb site . Since it is signed by a person from Fredricksburg, it might be of some use to us Poythress researchers.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:32:33 -0500
From: "James Spady"
Subject: "Genealogy Detective"
I believe the book you may be looking for is:
"We their descendants: an unqualified exercise in detective genealogy with not unexpected but exciting results reaching back nearly 450 years into the past." By Guy Morton 1998. It appears to have been self published. And its very short, only 6 pages.
Good luck!
THE sunkEN ROAD
>Fredericksburg, Virginia
>research consulting, evaluations, and assistance
>email queries to: sunkenroad@lycos.com
08/03/2004 4:57:45
John M. Poythress
ATLAS OF HISTORICAL COUNTY BOUNDARIES PROJECT
The Atlas of Historical County Boundaries Project proudly announces
the online publication of our first three interactive state maps:
California Historical Counties (IMS), Virginia Historical Counties
(IMS), and West Virginia Historical Counties (IMS).
Now researchers can view and print information from the interactive
maps at no charge through the project's website. Go to
http://www.newberry.org/ahcbp and click on "View Historical State and
County Maps" and select one of the three states.
Users can customize the maps by choosing a date of interest and
adding or deleting various layers, such as modern county seats,
county names, and boundaries. An array of powerful tools enables the
user to zoom in and out and pan, and to query and manipulate the map
in several different ways. Additional information can be viewed by
clicking on the Chronologies or Supplemental Texts buttons.
At present, you should use Internet Explorer, as the interactive maps
do not work well with some other browsers. Contact Project Editor,
John Long, mailto:longj@newberry.org , for information on purchasing
files that can be used with GIS. The County Boundaries staff also
invites your comments and suggestions.
John H. Long, Editor
Peggy Tuck Sinko, Associate Editor
Emily Kelley, Research Associate
Laura Rico, GIS/Graphics Specialist
Peter Siczewicz, GIS Consultant
08/08/2004 4:12:22
Founding family offers funding for new library
This story was sent to you by: Maynard
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Founding family offers funding for new library
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The facility would serve, in part, as a genealogical research center and gathering place for family members.
BY SABINE C. HIRSCHAUER
247-4536
August 6 2004
ISLE OF WIGHT -- Descendants of one of Isle of Wight's oldest families will donate $500,000 for a genealogical research library in the county - if they can find a place for it.
The Fulgham family, whose local roots date to the mid-17th century, is looking to team up with a partner in Isle of Wight to invest the money in a new building or an addition to an existing one.
The county, its historical society, St. Luke's Church and Paul D. Camp Community College have courted the family's money but don't want to maintain and staff a future library.
"It's a great thing to receive a donation," said Don Robertson, assistant county manager. "But you have to be careful what kind of strings are attached to it. You have to look if the project is in the best interest of the citizens of Isle of Wight."
While part of the future library would be designated to the family's research, the remainder could be used for other functions, family members say.
The Fulgham family's time in America dates to 1641, when Capt. Anthony Fulgham first set foot on land off the Pagan River. The Fulghams owned a tobacco warehouse near where the Smithfield Station restaurant is today, and the family operated a ferry in Smithfield.
"Since our family's history began in Isle of Wight, the county was a logical choice," said James Fulghum, a retired North Carolina business owner and eighth-generation family descendant who is spearheading the library fund-raising. (Family members spell their name Fulgham or Fulghum.) The family envisions a building of at least 5,000 square feet - about the size of the Carrollton library, Fulghum said.
If a new building is unrealistic, then the family would support creating the research center on the second floor of the Smithfield Library or sharing a new, satellite library in Isle of Wight with Paul D. Camp Community College.
"We are anxious to accommodate the Fulgham family," said William Laine, of St. Luke's Church. Church officials have said they wouldn't mind adding a structure.
The Fulgham family maintains close ties to the nation's oldest standing brick gothic church. The family sold land to build St. Luke's back in the 17th century. The Isle of Wight Historical Society has lobbied for turning one of the county's numerous historic houses into the research center.
In the 1980s, the Fulgham family, which keeps track of its roots nationwide through a mailing list of 1,500 active members and an ancestry database of more than 16,000 names, founded the Fulgham-Fulghum Family National Association.
Two years ago, family members started talking about finding a home for the association.
"We wanted a national gathering place so that our members can meet and research their roots," Fulghum said.
This year the association formed Fulgham-Fulghum Family National Association Foundation, a nonprofit organization. The foundation has raised about $100,000 toward the $500,000 target.
James Fulghum said he plans to visit the county at the end of the month. He said he hopes to have the location and a partnering organization chosen by then.
"It's important for every family," Fulghum said. "to find its roots."
Copyright (c) 2004, Daily Press
08/09/2004 2:37:40
Info
John M. Poythress
Off today's VA Southside list:
You may want to explore this website, which was given recently on one of
There are county formation maps of Virginia, West Virginia, and
California.
Unfortunately for me, however, it seems that the maps for Virginia begin
in
late 1776--kinda late for some of us who read colonial
abstracts/records!!
Nonetheless, it is handy to know that this is online, and I don't have
to
run downstairs to find my BIG atlas by Michael L. Doran or the more
recent one
by DeLorme.
There is a chart on another screen which gives the history of the
formation
of the counties. I was interested in Richmond Co., which was formed
from Old
Rappahannock. I learned I need to look at records of the progeny
counties
also!!! Always something new to learn!
E.W.Wallace
08/17/2004 3:25:22
Cool Site
John M. Poythress
The Virginia Transportation Research Council is publishing compendiums
of road orders (in some cases by county) issued in colonial Virginia.
A lot of the stuff is on-line. The URL is:
http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/historic_roads.htm
That's the good news. The bad news is they aren't very far along,
covering only brief periods of time (that may be all of the records that
survive). They have completed transcribing what little exists for two
counties of interest to almost all of us (Amelia & Brunswick) and
another of interest to many of us (Albermarle).
Not many of these records survive. However, such as the are they may
prove even more valuable than eventually plotting land patents with
software such as DeedMapper. After all, a patentee may not ever live on
land he or she patents..or even go near it in some cases.
Alternatively, individuals ordered to maintain roads were almost always
people who lived on that particular road. Virginia early on (1632)
opted for the English system of road maintenance; i. e. assigning
responsibility to the smallest "political unit", parishes and neighbors.
The Virginia Road Orders actually name these neighbors and that's great
information. Also, the route of these roads is roughly tracable TODAY,
there being various maps and detailed descriptions in these texts.
(I'm sure Capt. Peter Poythress likely never picked up a pick axe in his
life but for our purposes that's irrelevant, now we know where he lived .)
While these various texts are "searchable", remember that one cannot
search with a conventional search engine as these documents are
formatted in Adobe Acrobat. You can instead use the search function
that comes with Acrobat. Click on the icon: a little pair of binoculars
in the toolbar at the top of the Acrobat screen.
I found:
a) Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress on page 43 of the Amelia County volume,
and
b) Cappt Poytris on page 8 of the Brunswick County volume. (a
conventional "search" would have missed this man. I picked him up
scanning the indexes at the end of each volume to hedge against just
such a "miss.")
If someone finds others that I missed I'd sure appreciate an email..or
send it to the board if you prefer.
Thanks,
Maynard
08/19/2004 6:08:46
David Poythress and Sally Dortch info and a picture
Julie Cabitto
I'll try this message again. I tried to send the message a minute ago with the picture attached (abt 35 KB) but I didn't realize the List couldn't take attachments. So if you are interested, even though it's not the best picture, email me personally and I'll send it. It is a scanned copy of a Xeroxed page but it's all I've got. It's a picture of Charles David Poythess son of David Poythress and Sally Dortch. I do list the book and pg. number if you'd like to try and get a better copy for yourself and have access to the book.
Love,
Julie
juliemarie@worldnet.att.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: David Poythress and Sally Dortch info and a picture
I've posted before that Charles Poythress was living with Oliver Jasper Dortch on the 1870 Census. I still haven't figured out who Sally Dortch's parents are or where my Sally Poythress fits in for sure, the one that married Alvin Newton Dortch. I can tell you from the Dortch family Bible it said she was born 6 Jan 1816 and died 12 Dec 1854. Interestingly it says William Archers Dortch's second marriage to Elizabeth Mise was about 1855 after Sally died. but we've seen the marriage bond and it says William Archer Dortch married Elizabeth Mise 9 May 1854 in Warren County VA. We haven't seen any chancery or court cases with William and Elizabeth for a divorce in VA (I've searched indexes in Library of VA) , but we haven't checked Warren County yet.
I hope this may be of interest to someone. I also hope someone may recognize who my Sarah Poythress or who this Sally Dortch's parents may be. Don't know if this info has been posted on this sight before, but it was so interesting I had to make sure everyone had a chance to see it.
Love,
Julie Cabitto
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: Poythress-Dortch article
The picture attached is a scanned copy of the photo copy of the book. (So not the greatest resolution, but still wanted to share it.) My friend Annie copied this article out of the book for me.
The following appeared in Warren County Heritage book vol 1, pg. 249 continued on pg. 250.
Charles David Poythress was born July 15, 1849, son of David Poythress and Sally Dortch Poythress, who were married March 15, 1848 in Warren County, where David was an overseer.
Charles married Indiana Peru Twisdale on Dec 8, 1870 at the home of her father. Indiana was born April 3, 1852 in Warren County, daughter of James H. Twisdale and Tabitha Basket Twisdale. Charles David was a photographer in Manson and a merchant and salesman. He died July 29, 1892 of pneumonia.
Charles David and Indiana's 5 children were: sons, James Sneed, a Major in the North Carolina National Guard; John Alexander who was a showman and entrepreneur; Charles Vance a business man; Benjamin Edison a salesman and book keeper; and daughter Effie who married Robert L. Mustain of Henderson. Charles David's two sisters married Indiana Twisdale Poythress' two brothers. Lucy Poythress married James Twisdale on December 28, 1870 at Ridgeway and Alice M. Poythress married John R. Twisdale on Dec 18 1876 at the home of her mother in Smith Creek.
submitted by Barbara P. Wolfe 1800 Dover Drive, Newport Beach, CA 92660. Great grand daughter of Charles David Poythress.
Sources: Warren County marriage bonds 1860 and 1870
Federal Census Warren County, Letters of Administration.
Note when I read this I realized she's saying three children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch married 3 children of James H. Twisdale and Tabitha Basket.
08/30/2004 5:01:19
RE: Family Tree Maker 2005
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Maynard,
Thanks for the info on FTM 2005. I have been wondering if I would update to
that version.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
I bought my upgrade copy (20 bucks) "on spec" from Genealogy.com.
Having expected my version 11 to be called version 12,
I speculate that perhaps FTM will now become available "in model years"
like autos. While ordinarily I'd say that sets up a ripoff,
I reflect that annually is not particularly any more or less than FTM
was already being revised.
I was pleased to see the below favorable review in Eastman's freebie
genealogy newsletter this morning..
August 29, 2004
Family Tree Maker 2005
Family Tree Maker reportedly is the best-selling genealogy program in
the world and for very good reasons: it is easy to use and is well
marketed. Even though it has been higher-priced than most of its
competitors, millions of people use Family Tree Maker to record the
results of their genealogy searches. A new update to the program has
just been released, and I had a chance to use it for a bit. I would have
expected this to be called "Version 12," but the new owners apparently
wish to start a new naming convention. This one is referred to by date.
Like the automobile manufacturers, new versions are introduced in late
summer before the actual model year.
Family Tree Maker has a long and convoluted "ancestry." This program has
been owned by more companies than I can remember. In the early summer of
2004, it was acquired by MyFamily.com, the owners of Ancestry.com. A new
version of the program was released a few months later, but I know that
version was already in the works before the acquisition. It was created
by the same programming group that had created earlier versions. This
year's release of Family Tree Maker 2005 is the first to be completely
designed by the new owners and with many new programmers on the project.
Ancestry.com has long had a reputation for being more serious about
genealogy research methodologies than the previous owners. I was
interested to see what the new features would be, especially if they are
features demanded by serious genealogists.
Installation was simple: insert the Family Tree Maker CD-ROM into the
computer, and then answer a number of questions that appear on the
screen. About two minutes later, the installation is complete.
During installation, the user is asked whether or not to copy the
"ClickArt," maps, and user manuals to the hard drive. A minimal
installation without those three items will require more than 27
megabytes of disk space for the program. Including ClickArt, maps, and
user manuals will increase the disk space requirement to about 54
megabytes. This is a big program! Those numbers are for the program
alone and do not include the space required for your database, stored
reports, or generated Web pages.
The first time the program is launched, the user is asked to choose from
three different options: create a new database, open an existing
database, or take an online tour. I elected to take the tour.
After completing the tour, I created a new database. The next screen
that appeared is called the Family View. Data always revolves around a
couple; one man and one woman, labeled as Husband and Wife. Apparently,
the developers assume that all couples who have biological children are
married. However, the program also allows additional parental
relationships: adopted, foster, step, family member, private, or
unknown.
In Family View, you can see three generations within the same page - a
primary couple, the couple's parents, and the couple's children - and
edit two of those generations from the same page (the primary couple and
the children). Integrated navigation controls also let you quickly move
up or down the family tree by clicking on one of the navigation arrows
or using your keyboard arrow keys.
I was immediately struck by the fact that the main Family View screen is
all new; it does not even resemble the earlier versions of Family Tree
Maker with their "tabbed interface." This is a good thing, in my mind. I
never liked the "dummied down" user interface of earlier versions of
this program. The earlier screens seemed to waste a lot of space, a
major factor when using 800-by-600 pixel screen displays. The new look
packs a lot more information into one screen and yet does not look
crowded. However, I also must concede that the earlier interface was
very easy to use, and this probably contributed to the program's
popularity among newcomers. It should be interesting to see if the new
interface still attracts newcomers. I suspect that experienced
genealogists will prefer the Family Tree Maker 2005 interface, but I am
not so sure about the newbies.
The original announcement of Family Tree Maker 2005 stated, "Add your
immediate family members and up to eight children." This would insinuate
that only eight children could be shown in one family. Luckily, this is
not the case. Family Tree Maker has always allowed for much larger
families, but past versions would only display the first four children
in the Family View screen. With the new and improved interface, the 2005
edition will show a maximum of eight children in the same space. Still,
it would be nice to be able to show all of my grandparents' sixteen
children at once.
I entered data about a few individuals into the database and found that
data entry was simple. Best of all, beside every entry field for name,
birth place, and death place, there is an icon for a source citation.
Click on that icon, and a pop-up window appears for entering the title
of the source, the citation page, and text, author, publication facts,
call number, source quality, researcher's comments about this source,
and even a capability for inserting an image of the source citation. Do
you have a scanned image of a marriage record or a census entry? If so,
you can enter that image as part of the source citation. That is an
excellent method of citing one's sources!
Family Tree Maker 2005 also seems to have a true sources database. That
is, if you use the same source citation in the records of 75 people, you
do not need to enter the source citations 75 times. Even better, if you
ever want to change or add more information about a particular source,
you do not need to do that 75 times. Instead, you find the single source
citation and edit that one item. All 75 entries that point to that
single citation will then reflect the updated information.
I have complained many times over the years about Family Tree Maker's
weak source citation capabilities. The program was one of the last in
the marketplace to even add the capability of recording source
citations. Even then, it had a very anemic method of recording citations
that was little more than free-form notes attached to each record.
Successive releases occasionally added improvements to source citations,
but the program has never equaled the source citation capabilities of
its lower-priced competitors. I am pleased to see the 2005 version has a
very good source citation capability.
One of the first tests of any genealogy program is its ease of recording
conflicting data. For instance, I have found three different dates and
four different locations for the birth of one of my
great-great-grandfathers. He even gave conflicting information to the
census takers in different years. I have multiple source citations from
various census records, town records, and other documents; I do not know
which "fact" is correct. Conflicting data is very common in genealogy.
Anyone who has been researching the family tree for a while will find
similar conflicts.
Family Tree Maker 2005 allows for "alternate facts" or "alternate
events," as well as "preferred facts" that should take care of this
problem. This capability allows for recording of all the data for my
great-great-grandfather. To add an alternate fact or event, you do the
following:
1. Open the Edit Individual dialog box for the individual.
2. Just as you would add a new fact, choose the Add Fact button and
enter the alternate fact. Family Tree Maker will allow you to add
conflicting facts.
3. If the Make Preferred button is grayed out (so that you cannot click
on it) this means that the displayed fact is the current preferred fact
for the individual. If you would like another fact to be the preferred
fact, click on that fact and click the Make Preferred button. The
previous Make Preferred fact will be grayed out.
I was disappointed that the program requires one of the facts to be the
"preferred fact." It defaults to the first fact that is entered although
that can later be changed. In the case of my great-great-grandfather, I
have no clue as to which fact is more likely to be correct. Which one do
I select as "preferred?"
The preferred fact is also the only one that shows up on the screens and
reports. Most other modern genealogy programs allow the user to enter
multiple dates and locations and do not require any guess as to which is
the more likely correct fact.
Family Tree Maker 2005 offers the capability to include extensive notes
about each individual, as well as height, weight, cause of death, and
medical information.
Family Tree Maker 2005 also requires the person's entire name to be
entered into one field. Other genealogy programs typically have a single
data entry field for first and middle names and a second field for the
surname. That usually allows for easier editing, sorting, and searching
of surnames.
Family Tree Maker 2005 assumes that the last single word entered into
its single name field is the surname. This is often not true, such Peter
Van Der Voort or Pierre Bourbeau dit Lacourse or John Smith Jr. In such
instances, it is necessary to identify the surname for Family Tree
Maker. This is done by surrounding the surname with backward slashes
(\), such as:
Peter \Van Der Voort\
Pierre \Bourbeau dit Lacourse\
John \Smith\ Jr.
Another instance in which you might need to use backward slashes is when
entering someone who does not have a last name, such as a person of
Native American descent. For instance, your ancestor might have been
known as Running Bear. This name would be entered in Family Tree Maker
as Running Bear\\. The same would be true when the surname of an
ancestor is not known, a common occurrence when trying to identify
female ancestors. You will need to enter Mary's name as Mary \\.
In addition to the Family View, a Pedigree View is available that shows
from three to seven generations at a time. The Pedigree View is fully
interactive; you can click on a field and edit it directly. Navigating
around the Pedigree View seemed easier than with most other genealogy
programs of today.
Of course, there are capabilities to search for individuals within the
database. All searches seemed to be simple and intuitive.
One of Family Tree Maker's strongest capabilities over the years has
been its multimedia scrapbook. The 2005 edition is no exception; it
continues the tradition and even improves on it. Each individual and
each marriage in your Family File has a Scrapbook where you can store
virtually any type of information about your family, including Kodak
Photo CD Pictures, sound files, video files, text files, picture files,
and more. You can then use these images to enhance reports and family
books, play slide shows, and more.
Family Tree Maker 2005 offers a new Web Search tool to help you find
information about your ancestors. Web Search is always running in the
background while you are using Family Tree Maker (unless you have turned
this option off or unless you are not connected to the Internet). It
will search Ancestry.com for more information about the people in your
tree. When it finds a match that meets your designated criteria (i.e. 4
stars and higher, 3 stars and higher, etc.), the Web Search button
changes to a new button that shows you have possible additional
information available. To view the Web Search results on any individual,
click on the Web Search button next to his/her information. You will be
brought to the first page of results.
The Web Search report is divided into three sections:
1. The top half of the report lists the Web search results found for the
person in your tree. The Source column tells you the name of the
Ancestry.com collection in which Family Tree Maker found the
information.
2. When you select a result, the bottom left box displays the
information found in that Ancestry.com record. Of course, if you do not
have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you will see only header
information for any information within their subscription databases.
3. The bottom right box shows you the information you already have in
your file about this person. This makes it easier for you to compare
your information with the information found online.
Keep in mind that many of the records on Ancestry.com require a paid
subscription before you can view them.
Family Tree Maker 2005 has an excellent system of merging individuals.
This is useful when you obtain a database from a distant cousin and want
to add it to yours. You and your cousin may have the same individuals
listed in each database; so, you need to merge them together to avoid
duplicates. The program also has a Web Merge feature that can merge
records found online on Ancestry.com into your existing database. With
both the database merge and the Web merge, you can merge either one
person at a time or as a one-time effort to allow the program to
automatically merge all the duplicates.
WARNING: Never, ever merge anyone's database into your own until you are
completely sure that you want to. The other database may contain data
errors or other problems. Also, make sure you make a complete backup of
all your data before merging new information into your database so that
you can backtrack if you later discover a problem. I frequently receive
sad e-mails from people who did not do that!
Family Tree Maker 2005 includes a wide variety of printed reports, such
as:
Family Group Sheet: A detailed report about a single nuclear family
(parents and their children).
Outline Descendant: List shows where everyone fits in the family,
starting with a distant relative and moving to the present.
Genealogy Report: Detailed listing of family information, presented in a
narrative, book-like format.
Kinship Report: Lists the relationship of every individual to a selected
primary individual.
Alternate Facts: Lists all alternate facts you have entered for each
individual, such as two potential birth dates for the same individual.
Address: Lists all the addresses you have entered into your Family File
for each individual.
Medical Information: Lists a family's health history.
Birthdays of Living Individuals: Lists all birthdays of living
individuals.
Marriage: Lists all marriages with marriage dates and the status of the
relationship.
Parentage: Lists the parents of each individual and their relationship
to the child (natural, adopted, etc.)
Bibliography: Creates a bibliography based on source information you
have entered.
Data Errors: Lists all potential errors, for example, all fields that
have been left blanked and discrepancies with ages.
Documented Events: Lists all events in your file for which you have
source information.
Maps - Family maps can help you trace your family's journey across the
country or across the seas.
Labels/Cards - You can create address labels or name tags for the next
family reunion.
Timeline - View your family's important events against the backdrop of
history.
Calendar - Create a calendar with birthdays, anniversaries, and other
important events.
You can also create a Family History book that includes trees, reports,
pictures, and more. With Family Tree Maker, you can create your own
personal family home page, even if you have no previous experience
creating a Web page.
You can share trees, books, and reports with friends and relatives who
don't have Family Tree Maker by either publishing your information to
your homepage or by using the Export feature. Depending on what you are
exporting, you will have the option to save your document as a PDF file,
plain text file (TXT), rich text file (RTF), or as a spreadsheet (CSV).
It is worth noting that CSV files can easily be imported into Excel or
other spreadsheets or database programs for further data manipulation
and analysis.
Once you have exported the tree, book, or report, you can then save it
to a CD-ROM, or you can e-mail it if the file is not too large. A PDF
file can be viewed or printed by anyone with the Adobe Acrobat Reader
program (available free at http://www.adobe.com).
Family Tree Maker will allow the user to automatically create a
genealogy Web site containing data about individuals within the
database. However, it is limited to a maximum of 2,000 individuals. The
Web pages may even include pictures from the multimedia scrapbook. As
you might expect, you can delete dates and locations of birth and other
facts for living individuals. However, I did not see any option to
delete the individuals' names.
I should note that this capability to create Web pages only works for
pages stored on one of Ancestry.com's services. If you have your
genealogy pages hosted elsewhere, there is no method of directly
creating Web pages from Family Tree Maker 2005. This seems to be a
serious omission, as almost all of the competitive programs do allow for
the creation of "generic" Web pages that can be uploaded to almost any
Web hosting service, including the free services. If you want to export
data from Family Tree Maker 2005's database to Web pages of your own
choosing, you will need to export your data as a GEDCOM file and then
use a competitive program or one of the third-party GEDCOM-to-HTML
utilities to convert the data to HTML format.
Earlier versions of Family Tree Maker had problems with certain tags
when exporting data in GEDCOM format. Specifically, it would swap the
occupation and place tags in the GEDCOM file. The 2005 edition seems to
have corrected this problem. Here is an excerpt from a GEDCOM file that
I created:
1 OCCU
2 DATE ABT 1960
2 PLAC Electrician, Dexter, Penobscot, Maine, USA
2 SOUR @S02853@
1 OCCU
2 DATE 1934
2 PLAC Milkman, Sanford, York, Maine
2 SOUR @S02853@
In the above case, two different occupations are correctly listed for
one individual.
Previous releases of Family Tree Maker usually were bundled with
collections of data CD-ROM disks. Prices have varied from about $30.00
without any bundled disks up to as much as $100 when 20 or more disks
were in the box. Admittedly, the cheaper $30 version without disks often
was difficult to find; all I ever saw on the shelf at the local software
stores were those versions with multiple disks. Those "in the know"
figured out how to purchase the program alone at the lower price
directly from the Family Tree Maker Web site or from select mail order
dealers. In looking at the promotional literature for Family Tree Maker
2005, both printed and online at the program's Web site, I see no
mention of bundled deals. Everything I have seen so far only mentions
the basic program being sold for $29.95 (U.S. funds).
Family Tree Maker 2005 should operate well on any Windows PC purchased
within the past two or three years. System requirements include:
. Windows 98, ME, or XP (while not mentioned, I suspect it will also
operate well on Windows 2000.)
o For Windows 98/ME; a 300 MHz Pentium, or compatible, processor and 32
MB of memory (RAM)
o For Windows XP; a 333 MHz Pentium, or compatible processor, and 128 MB
of memory (RAM)
. Super VGA (800 x 600) video adapter (1024x768 recommended) with 16-bit
or better color quality
. A CD-ROM drive (for installation only; to use the CD back up features,
a CDR/CDRW is required.)
. 150 MB disk space
. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later. (A full install package for
IE 6 is provided if your system does not already have it.)
. To take advantage of the online features, a 56 Kbps modem and an
Internet connection.
. Printer Support: Works with most popular printers (monochrome and
color) supported by windows
Keep in mind that the above are minimums; the program may operate slowly
on a 300-MHz processor and 32 megabytes of memory. As with all Windows
programs, higher processor speeds and especially more memory will
greatly increase system performance.
This article should give you an overview of Family Tree Maker 2005.
However, I have not described all the features and capabilities of this
program. Such an article would fill several newsletters! For further
information, look at the program's Web site at
http://www.familytreemaker.com. I would especially encourage you to take
the Product Tour at http://www.familytreemaker.com/help/tutorials/tour/
(a broadband connection is encouraged) as well as the online tutorial
(which works well on dial-up access) at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/help/tutorials/gettingstarted/getting_sta
rted_tutorial.htm.
If you have any comments or questions about Family Tree Maker 2005, or
any corrections to the information listed here, please enter them at the
end of this article. That way, everyone else can benefit from your
words. Present users of Family Tree Maker 2005 are especially encouraged
to post comments about your experiences with the program.
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Family Tree Maker 2005
John M. Poythress
I bought my upgrade copy (20 bucks) "on spec" from Genealogy.com.
Having expected my version 11 to be called version 12,
I speculate that perhaps FTM will now become available "in model years"
like autos. While ordinarily I'd say that sets up a ripoff,
I reflect that annually is not particularly any more or less than FTM
was already being revised.
I was pleased to see the below favorable review in Eastman's freebie
genealogy newsletter this morning..
August 29, 2004
Family Tree Maker 2005
Family Tree Maker reportedly is the best-selling genealogy program in
the world and for very good reasons: it is easy to use and is well
marketed. Even though it has been higher-priced than most of its
competitors, millions of people use Family Tree Maker to record the
results of their genealogy searches. A new update to the program has
just been released, and I had a chance to use it for a bit. I would have
expected this to be called "Version 12," but the new owners apparently
wish to start a new naming convention. This one is referred to by date.
Like the automobile manufacturers, new versions are introduced in late
summer before the actual model year.
Family Tree Maker has a long and convoluted "ancestry." This program has
been owned by more companies than I can remember. In the early summer of
2004, it was acquired by MyFamily.com, the owners of Ancestry.com. A new
version of the program was released a few months later, but I know that
version was already in the works before the acquisition. It was created
by the same programming group that had created earlier versions. This
year's release of Family Tree Maker 2005 is the first to be completely
designed by the new owners and with many new programmers on the project.
Ancestry.com has long had a reputation for being more serious about
genealogy research methodologies than the previous owners. I was
interested to see what the new features would be, especially if they are
features demanded by serious genealogists.
Installation was simple: insert the Family Tree Maker CD-ROM into the
computer, and then answer a number of questions that appear on the
screen. About two minutes later, the installation is complete.
During installation, the user is asked whether or not to copy the
"ClickArt," maps, and user manuals to the hard drive. A minimal
installation without those three items will require more than 27
megabytes of disk space for the program. Including ClickArt, maps, and
user manuals will increase the disk space requirement to about 54
megabytes. This is a big program! Those numbers are for the program
alone and do not include the space required for your database, stored
reports, or generated Web pages.
The first time the program is launched, the user is asked to choose from
three different options: create a new database, open an existing
database, or take an online tour. I elected to take the tour.
After completing the tour, I created a new database. The next screen
that appeared is called the Family View. Data always revolves around a
couple; one man and one woman, labeled as Husband and Wife. Apparently,
the developers assume that all couples who have biological children are
married. However, the program also allows additional parental
relationships: adopted, foster, step, family member, private, or
unknown.
In Family View, you can see three generations within the same page - a
primary couple, the couple's parents, and the couple's children - and
edit two of those generations from the same page (the primary couple and
the children). Integrated navigation controls also let you quickly move
up or down the family tree by clicking on one of the navigation arrows
or using your keyboard arrow keys.
I was immediately struck by the fact that the main Family View screen is
all new; it does not even resemble the earlier versions of Family Tree
Maker with their "tabbed interface." This is a good thing, in my mind. I
never liked the "dummied down" user interface of earlier versions of
this program. The earlier screens seemed to waste a lot of space, a
major factor when using 800-by-600 pixel screen displays. The new look
packs a lot more information into one screen and yet does not look
crowded. However, I also must concede that the earlier interface was
very easy to use, and this probably contributed to the program's
popularity among newcomers. It should be interesting to see if the new
interface still attracts newcomers. I suspect that experienced
genealogists will prefer the Family Tree Maker 2005 interface, but I am
not so sure about the newbies.
The original announcement of Family Tree Maker 2005 stated, "Add your
immediate family members and up to eight children." This would insinuate
that only eight children could be shown in one family. Luckily, this is
not the case. Family Tree Maker has always allowed for much larger
families, but past versions would only display the first four children
in the Family View screen. With the new and improved interface, the 2005
edition will show a maximum of eight children in the same space. Still,
it would be nice to be able to show all of my grandparents' sixteen
children at once.
I entered data about a few individuals into the database and found that
data entry was simple. Best of all, beside every entry field for name,
birth place, and death place, there is an icon for a source citation.
Click on that icon, and a pop-up window appears for entering the title
of the source, the citation page, and text, author, publication facts,
call number, source quality, researcher's comments about this source,
and even a capability for inserting an image of the source citation. Do
you have a scanned image of a marriage record or a census entry? If so,
you can enter that image as part of the source citation. That is an
excellent method of citing one's sources!
Family Tree Maker 2005 also seems to have a true sources database. That
is, if you use the same source citation in the records of 75 people, you
do not need to enter the source citations 75 times. Even better, if you
ever want to change or add more information about a particular source,
you do not need to do that 75 times. Instead, you find the single source
citation and edit that one item. All 75 entries that point to that
single citation will then reflect the updated information.
I have complained many times over the years about Family Tree Maker's
weak source citation capabilities. The program was one of the last in
the marketplace to even add the capability of recording source
citations. Even then, it had a very anemic method of recording citations
that was little more than free-form notes attached to each record.
Successive releases occasionally added improvements to source citations,
but the program has never equaled the source citation capabilities of
its lower-priced competitors. I am pleased to see the 2005 version has a
very good source citation capability.
One of the first tests of any genealogy program is its ease of recording
conflicting data. For instance, I have found three different dates and
four different locations for the birth of one of my
great-great-grandfathers. He even gave conflicting information to the
census takers in different years. I have multiple source citations from
various census records, town records, and other documents; I do not know
which "fact" is correct. Conflicting data is very common in genealogy.
Anyone who has been researching the family tree for a while will find
similar conflicts.
Family Tree Maker 2005 allows for "alternate facts" or "alternate
events," as well as "preferred facts" that should take care of this
problem. This capability allows for recording of all the data for my
great-great-grandfather. To add an alternate fact or event, you do the
following:
1. Open the Edit Individual dialog box for the individual.
2. Just as you would add a new fact, choose the Add Fact button and
enter the alternate fact. Family Tree Maker will allow you to add
conflicting facts.
3. If the Make Preferred button is grayed out (so that you cannot click
on it) this means that the displayed fact is the current preferred fact
for the individual. If you would like another fact to be the preferred
fact, click on that fact and click the Make Preferred button. The
previous Make Preferred fact will be grayed out.
I was disappointed that the program requires one of the facts to be the
"preferred fact." It defaults to the first fact that is entered although
that can later be changed. In the case of my great-great-grandfather, I
have no clue as to which fact is more likely to be correct. Which one do
I select as "preferred?"
The preferred fact is also the only one that shows up on the screens and
reports. Most other modern genealogy programs allow the user to enter
multiple dates and locations and do not require any guess as to which is
the more likely correct fact.
Family Tree Maker 2005 offers the capability to include extensive notes
about each individual, as well as height, weight, cause of death, and
medical information.
Family Tree Maker 2005 also requires the person's entire name to be
entered into one field. Other genealogy programs typically have a single
data entry field for first and middle names and a second field for the
surname. That usually allows for easier editing, sorting, and searching
of surnames.
Family Tree Maker 2005 assumes that the last single word entered into
its single name field is the surname. This is often not true, such Peter
Van Der Voort or Pierre Bourbeau dit Lacourse or John Smith Jr. In such
instances, it is necessary to identify the surname for Family Tree
Maker. This is done by surrounding the surname with backward slashes
(\), such as:
Peter \Van Der Voort\
Pierre \Bourbeau dit Lacourse\
John \Smith\ Jr.
Another instance in which you might need to use backward slashes is when
entering someone who does not have a last name, such as a person of
Native American descent. For instance, your ancestor might have been
known as Running Bear. This name would be entered in Family Tree Maker
as Running Bear\\. The same would be true when the surname of an
ancestor is not known, a common occurrence when trying to identify
female ancestors. You will need to enter Mary's name as Mary \\.
In addition to the Family View, a Pedigree View is available that shows
from three to seven generations at a time. The Pedigree View is fully
interactive; you can click on a field and edit it directly. Navigating
around the Pedigree View seemed easier than with most other genealogy
programs of today.
Of course, there are capabilities to search for individuals within the
database. All searches seemed to be simple and intuitive.
One of Family Tree Maker's strongest capabilities over the years has
been its multimedia scrapbook. The 2005 edition is no exception; it
continues the tradition and even improves on it. Each individual and
each marriage in your Family File has a Scrapbook where you can store
virtually any type of information about your family, including Kodak
Photo CD Pictures, sound files, video files, text files, picture files,
and more. You can then use these images to enhance reports and family
books, play slide shows, and more.
Family Tree Maker 2005 offers a new Web Search tool to help you find
information about your ancestors. Web Search is always running in the
background while you are using Family Tree Maker (unless you have turned
this option off or unless you are not connected to the Internet). It
will search Ancestry.com for more information about the people in your
tree. When it finds a match that meets your designated criteria (i.e. 4
stars and higher, 3 stars and higher, etc.), the Web Search button
changes to a new button that shows you have possible additional
information available. To view the Web Search results on any individual,
click on the Web Search button next to his/her information. You will be
brought to the first page of results.
The Web Search report is divided into three sections:
1. The top half of the report lists the Web search results found for the
person in your tree. The Source column tells you the name of the
Ancestry.com collection in which Family Tree Maker found the
information.
2. When you select a result, the bottom left box displays the
information found in that Ancestry.com record. Of course, if you do not
have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you will see only header
information for any information within their subscription databases.
3. The bottom right box shows you the information you already have in
your file about this person. This makes it easier for you to compare
your information with the information found online.
Keep in mind that many of the records on Ancestry.com require a paid
subscription before you can view them.
Family Tree Maker 2005 has an excellent system of merging individuals.
This is useful when you obtain a database from a distant cousin and want
to add it to yours. You and your cousin may have the same individuals
listed in each database; so, you need to merge them together to avoid
duplicates. The program also has a Web Merge feature that can merge
records found online on Ancestry.com into your existing database. With
both the database merge and the Web merge, you can merge either one
person at a time or as a one-time effort to allow the program to
automatically merge all the duplicates.
WARNING: Never, ever merge anyone's database into your own until you are
completely sure that you want to. The other database may contain data
errors or other problems. Also, make sure you make a complete backup of
all your data before merging new information into your database so that
you can backtrack if you later discover a problem. I frequently receive
sad e-mails from people who did not do that!
Family Tree Maker 2005 includes a wide variety of printed reports, such
as:
Family Group Sheet: A detailed report about a single nuclear family
(parents and their children).
Outline Descendant: List shows where everyone fits in the family,
starting with a distant relative and moving to the present.
Genealogy Report: Detailed listing of family information, presented in a
narrative, book-like format.
Kinship Report: Lists the relationship of every individual to a selected
primary individual.
Alternate Facts: Lists all alternate facts you have entered for each
individual, such as two potential birth dates for the same individual.
Address: Lists all the addresses you have entered into your Family File
for each individual.
Medical Information: Lists a family's health history.
Birthdays of Living Individuals: Lists all birthdays of living
individuals.
Marriage: Lists all marriages with marriage dates and the status of the
relationship.
Parentage: Lists the parents of each individual and their relationship
to the child (natural, adopted, etc.)
Bibliography: Creates a bibliography based on source information you
have entered.
Data Errors: Lists all potential errors, for example, all fields that
have been left blanked and discrepancies with ages.
Documented Events: Lists all events in your file for which you have
source information.
Maps - Family maps can help you trace your family's journey across the
country or across the seas.
Labels/Cards - You can create address labels or name tags for the next
family reunion.
Timeline - View your family's important events against the backdrop of
history.
Calendar - Create a calendar with birthdays, anniversaries, and other
important events.
You can also create a Family History book that includes trees, reports,
pictures, and more. With Family Tree Maker, you can create your own
personal family home page, even if you have no previous experience
creating a Web page.
You can share trees, books, and reports with friends and relatives who
don't have Family Tree Maker by either publishing your information to
your homepage or by using the Export feature. Depending on what you are
exporting, you will have the option to save your document as a PDF file,
plain text file (TXT), rich text file (RTF), or as a spreadsheet (CSV).
It is worth noting that CSV files can easily be imported into Excel or
other spreadsheets or database programs for further data manipulation
and analysis.
Once you have exported the tree, book, or report, you can then save it
to a CD-ROM, or you can e-mail it if the file is not too large. A PDF
file can be viewed or printed by anyone with the Adobe Acrobat Reader
program (available free at http://www.adobe.com).
Family Tree Maker will allow the user to automatically create a
genealogy Web site containing data about individuals within the
database. However, it is limited to a maximum of 2,000 individuals. The
Web pages may even include pictures from the multimedia scrapbook. As
you might expect, you can delete dates and locations of birth and other
facts for living individuals. However, I did not see any option to
delete the individuals' names.
I should note that this capability to create Web pages only works for
pages stored on one of Ancestry.com's services. If you have your
genealogy pages hosted elsewhere, there is no method of directly
creating Web pages from Family Tree Maker 2005. This seems to be a
serious omission, as almost all of the competitive programs do allow for
the creation of "generic" Web pages that can be uploaded to almost any
Web hosting service, including the free services. If you want to export
data from Family Tree Maker 2005's database to Web pages of your own
choosing, you will need to export your data as a GEDCOM file and then
use a competitive program or one of the third-party GEDCOM-to-HTML
utilities to convert the data to HTML format.
Earlier versions of Family Tree Maker had problems with certain tags
when exporting data in GEDCOM format. Specifically, it would swap the
occupation and place tags in the GEDCOM file. The 2005 edition seems to
have corrected this problem. Here is an excerpt from a GEDCOM file that
I created:
1 OCCU
2 DATE ABT 1960
2 PLAC Electrician, Dexter, Penobscot, Maine, USA
2 SOUR @S02853@
1 OCCU
2 DATE 1934
2 PLAC Milkman, Sanford, York, Maine
2 SOUR @S02853@
In the above case, two different occupations are correctly listed for
one individual.
Previous releases of Family Tree Maker usually were bundled with
collections of data CD-ROM disks. Prices have varied from about $30.00
without any bundled disks up to as much as $100 when 20 or more disks
were in the box. Admittedly, the cheaper $30 version without disks often
was difficult to find; all I ever saw on the shelf at the local software
stores were those versions with multiple disks. Those "in the know"
figured out how to purchase the program alone at the lower price
directly from the Family Tree Maker Web site or from select mail order
dealers. In looking at the promotional literature for Family Tree Maker
2005, both printed and online at the program's Web site, I see no
mention of bundled deals. Everything I have seen so far only mentions
the basic program being sold for $29.95 (U.S. funds).
Family Tree Maker 2005 should operate well on any Windows PC purchased
within the past two or three years. System requirements include:
. Windows 98, ME, or XP (while not mentioned, I suspect it will also
operate well on Windows 2000.)
o For Windows 98/ME; a 300 MHz Pentium, or compatible, processor and 32
MB of memory (RAM)
o For Windows XP; a 333 MHz Pentium, or compatible processor, and 128 MB
of memory (RAM)
. Super VGA (800 x 600) video adapter (1024x768 recommended) with 16-bit
or better color quality
. A CD-ROM drive (for installation only; to use the CD back up features,
a CDR/CDRW is required.)
. 150 MB disk space
. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later. (A full install package for
IE 6 is provided if your system does not already have it.)
. To take advantage of the online features, a 56 Kbps modem and an
Internet connection.
. Printer Support: Works with most popular printers (monochrome and
color) supported by windows
Keep in mind that the above are minimums; the program may operate slowly
on a 300-MHz processor and 32 megabytes of memory. As with all Windows
programs, higher processor speeds and especially more memory will
greatly increase system performance.
This article should give you an overview of Family Tree Maker 2005.
However, I have not described all the features and capabilities of this
program. Such an article would fill several newsletters! For further
information, look at the program's Web site at
http://www.familytreemaker.com. I would especially encourage you to take
the Product Tour at http://www.familytreemaker.com/help/tutorials/tour/
(a broadband connection is encouraged) as well as the online tutorial
(which works well on dial-up access) at
http://www.familytreemaker.com/help/tutorials/gettingstarted/getting_sta
rted_tutorial.htm.
If you have any comments or questions about Family Tree Maker 2005, or
any corrections to the information listed here, please enter them at the
end of this article. That way, everyone else can benefit from your
words. Present users of Family Tree Maker 2005 are especially encouraged
to post comments about your experiences with the program.
Posted by Dick Eastman on August 29, 2004 at 09:02 PM | Permalink
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08/30/2004 5:31:22
FTM 2005 Review
John M. Poythress
I forgot that Rootsweb would convert that article to straight text with
no paragraphs and make an exceedingly long article into a visual
nightmare. If you want to see the article in a "normal" format with
paragraphs, etc. it can be found on Eastman's site:
http://blog.eogn.com
Maynard
08/30/2004 6:18:30
Re: David Poythress
Julie,
Hello again! Thank you so much for citing the Warren County Heritage Book Volume 1, pages 249 and 250. I submitted that some time ago along with the picture of Charles David Poythress. And yes, he and two of his sisters married into the Twisdale family.
I think Sarah G. Poythress who married William A. Dortch is a candidate to be a daughter of Lewis Poythress. But have not discovered documentation to prove this.
Best, Barbara (BPW)
08/31/2004 8:44:23
Re: David Poythress
Julie Cabitto
Dear Barbara,
Thanks, I did write in my notes you suspect Sarah's father was Lewis
Poythress and I too haven't found any proof. Marriage records didn't list
parents of the bride and groom then, and I looked through the whole death
registry for Mecklenburg up to 1890 something and didn't see her. Of course
many pages were ripped, had ink spills, etc. or just plain missing. I can't
think of any other way except maybe a will for having the parents listed for
Sarah Poythress, and even at that, she might not be listed if she preceded
her father in death right? Do you have any idea for a way to find out who
Sarah's parents are? If you think of an idea, I'll go look it up next time I
go to Richmond.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: David Poythress
> Julie,
>
> Hello again! Thank you so much for citing the Warren County Heritage Book
Volume 1, pages 249 and 250. I submitted that some time ago along with the
picture of Charles David Poythress. And yes, he and two of his sisters
married into the Twisdale family.
>
> I think Sarah G. Poythress who married William A. Dortch is a candidate to
be a daughter of Lewis Poythress. But have not discovered documentation to
prove this.
>
> Best, Barbara (BPW)
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
08/31/2004 12:11:39
Information
John M. Poythress
The Southside Regional Library which serves Mecklenburg and Lunenburg
Counties is hosting a joint Open House with the Southside Virginia
Genealogical Society at the R. T. Arnold Library in South Hill on
September 25, 2004 from 10:00 to 4:00. This Open House is being held in
conjunction with the South Hill Farmer's Day Activities.
The Genealogical Society will have displays of their individual research
and will offer help to anyone who is interested in researching their own
family. There will be help available on how to get started in your
research.
Library personnel will be on hand to demonstrate how to use the
library's on-line catalog to find genealogical materials available in
the collection and to demonstrate how to use the Heritage Quest on-line
database which is available to Southside Regional Library patrons.
There will also be members from the LDS Family History Center to
demonstrate the use of the Family Search on-line database.
If you have roots in Mecklenburg and Lunenburg counties or any of the
Counties served by the Southside Virginia Genealogical Society or have
an interest in genealogy or the library in general, you are invited to
attend this Open House to learn what resources are available and how to
use those resources. Visit the Southside Regional Library at
www.srlib.org and the Southside Virginia Genealogical Society at
www.rootsweb.com/~vassvgs
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
09/02/2004 5:21:37
Re: FW: Always Wash It First
In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:49:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmjmmuniz
writes:
Smooth seas and gentle winds.....Love, Jim & Joanna....
From: INEUBERT
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:18:36 -0400
Subject: Fwd: FW: Always Wash It First
From: tbarnickeljr@webtv.net (Thomas Barnickel Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:14:50 -0400
Subject: Fwd: FW: Always Wash It First
------ Forwarded Message
From: "Betty Steinbacher"
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:59:13 -0400
Subject: Always Wash It First
Subject: Re: Fw: Fwd: Always Wash It First
Received this from my good friend Art Nash who I used to shoot trap with in
NJ. He has since moved to Arizona but we are regular e-mail corresponders.
Yes, I know ya'll have probably read it before, but it is still useful and
strikes home a little more when a good friend tells you.... Rich
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Received this from one of the Guys I was stationed with years ago.
His home is in Hawaii. My friend IS the store manager in the story.........
Art
ESPECIALLY REMEMBER THIS IF DRINKING A SODA PURCHASED FROM A MACHINE. IF
YOU ARE UNABLE TO WASH THE TOP OF THE CAN, USE A STRAW!
ALWAYS WASH IT FIRST!
A stock clerk was sent to clean up a storeroom in Maui, Hawaii.
When he got back, he was complaining that the storeroom was really filthy
and that he had noticed dried mouse or
rat droppings in some areas.
A couple of days later, he started to feel like he was coming down with a
stomach flu, complained of sore joints and headaches, and began to vomit. He
went to bed and never really got up again.
Within two days he was severely ill and weak. His blood sugar count was
down to 66, and his face and eyeballs were yellow. He was rushed to the e
mergency at Palimomi, where he was diagnosed to be suffering from massive organ
failure. He died shortly before midnight.
No one would have made the connection between his job and his death, had it
not been for a doctor who specifically asked if he had been in a warehouse or
exposed to dried rat or mouse droppings at any time. They said there is a
virus (much like the Hanta virus) that lives in dried rat and
mouse droppings. Once dried, these droppings are like dust and can easily
be breathed in or ingested if a person does not wear protective gear or fails
to wash face and hands thoroughly.
An autopsy was performed on the clerk to verify the
doctor's suspicions....
This is why it is extremely important to ALWAYS carefully rinse off the tops
of canned sodas or foods, and to wipe off pasta packaging, cereal boxes, and
so on.
Almost everything you buy in a supermarket was stored in a warehouse at one
time or another, and stores themselves often have rodents. Most of us
remember to wash vegetables and fruits but never think of boxes and cans.
The ugly truth is, even the most modern, upper class, super store have rats
and mice. And their warehouse most assuredly does!
Whenever you buy any canned soft drink, please make sure that you wash the
top with running water and soap or, if that is not available, drink with a
straw.
The investigation of soda cans by the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta
discovered that the tops of soda cans can be encrusted with dried rat's
urine, which is so toxic it can be lethal. Canned drinks and other foodstuffs are
stored in warehouses and containers that are usually
infested with Rodents, and then they get transported to retail outlets
without being properly cleaned.
Please forward this message to the people you care about....
I think I have a scent. Francis had two sisters, Elizabeth Peniston and
Susanna Pryor, both married (presumably) in PG county and both moved to
Jessamine County, KY. Elizabeth was said to have died relatively young
and Francis died a bachelor in the home of Susanna Pryor about 1818.
NOW...comes from the Peniston family:
Elizabeth Peniston m. 1758 to William Poythress of PG County, William b.
1741 d. 1783, served as a lieutenant in 1st Continental artillery,
Virginia Line. National Soc. of the DAR..volume 69, p. 181. That
would sort of say William m. at age 17, fought in Rev. War, married,
moved to KY with Elizabeth and died...all in a rather short period.
Which would explain no pension application for William himself.
Confirming...I checked the freebie look-up we got from the DAR a while
back, to wit:
POYTHRESS, William
Birth: VA 1737
Service: VA
Rank: 1Lt, Continental Line
Death: VA 1783
Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No
Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No
Spouse: (1) Elizabeth X
.....looking pretty good to me. Now which of the 3 Williams in the
Bounty Grants was he?....and more importantly, from that information who
was his father?
I'll keep digging. First I went to Bristol Parish Records where I knew
there was a father-son
Pair of Williams. Elder was married to a Sarah (he was too old to be
this guy anyway) and the younger was m. 1 Eppes and 2. blank. RBB has
other Williams but none that I see marrying an Elizabeth.
For 10 bucks the DAR says they will send you limited information that
YOU specify on a patriot. However, we'll need all we can get. Somebody
on here was saying a while back that she could get complete copies of
the papers submitted by ladies to the DAR leading to a particular
patriot. Is this still a possibility?
(I wish our drawing of Lt. William Poythress was in color instead of b &
w. I'd love to see those epaulets be artillery "red." )
As we have said all along, Francis and his sisters will be,
genealogically speaking, a surname dead end...but the question of
Francis' parentage will do a lot for us.
Maynard
09/03/2004 2:55:48
Re: Stalking Francis the Preacher
Michael Tutor
Maynard,
Great sleuthing! How about William Poythress being the younger brother of
Col. Peter Poythress and Capt. Robert Poythress? Their sister Mary Ann
Poythress Minge was born about 1735 and Col. Peter's granddaughter married
Theodorick Bland Pryor. This family was in the limelight with Col. Peter
Poythress being a member of the Constitutional Convention. It makes sense
that his brother, William Poythress, would be the one to have a portrait
made of himself. What do you think about this?...............Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: Stalking Francis the Preacher
> I think I have a scent. Francis had two sisters, Elizabeth Peniston and
> Susanna Pryor, both married (presumably) in PG county and both moved to
> Jessamine County, KY. Elizabeth was said to have died relatively young
> and Francis died a bachelor in the home of Susanna Pryor about 1818.
>
> NOW...comes from the Peniston family:
>
> Elizabeth Peniston m. 1758 to William Poythress of PG County, William b.
> 1741 d. 1783, served as a lieutenant in 1st Continental artillery,
> Virginia Line. National Soc. of the DAR..volume 69, p. 181. That
> would sort of say William m. at age 17, fought in Rev. War, married,
> moved to KY with Elizabeth and died...all in a rather short period.
> Which would explain no pension application for William himself.
>
> Confirming...I checked the freebie look-up we got from the DAR a while
> back, to wit:
>
> POYTHRESS, William
> Birth: VA 1737
> Service: VA
> Rank: 1Lt, Continental Line
> Death: VA 1783
> Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No
> Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No
> Spouse: (1) Elizabeth X
>
> .....looking pretty good to me. Now which of the 3 Williams in the
> Bounty Grants was he?....and more importantly, from that information who
> was his father?
>
> I'll keep digging. First I went to Bristol Parish Records where I knew
> there was a father-son
> Pair of Williams. Elder was married to a Sarah (he was too old to be
> this guy anyway) and the younger was m. 1 Eppes and 2. blank. RBB has
> other Williams but none that I see marrying an Elizabeth.
>
> For 10 bucks the DAR says they will send you limited information that
> YOU specify on a patriot. However, we'll need all we can get. Somebody
> on here was saying a while back that she could get complete copies of
> the papers submitted by ladies to the DAR leading to a particular
> patriot. Is this still a possibility?
>
> (I wish our drawing of Lt. William Poythress was in color instead of b &
> w. I'd love to see those epaulets be artillery "red." )
>
> As we have said all along, Francis and his sisters will be,
> genealogically speaking, a surname dead end...but the question of
> Francis' parentage will do a lot for us.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
09/03/2004 5:27:08
My Database of the Francis Poythress Family
Diana Diamond
I wanted to let you all know that recently I have done more work on my database at rootsweb (by extension, ancestry.com). If you haven't visited it in a while, perhaps you might want to. As many of your know, this began as an exploration of the R. Bolling Batte collection at the Library of Virginia, and particularly Mr. Batte's exploration into the Poythress family.
I still consider the database to be in draft form, but I have cleaned up the format, and recently added a page called RBB Source Notes., in which I explain some of Mr. Batte's personal code for source notations and his family identification scheme, to the extent I have learned it.
I have added more Poythess descendents recently. We don't have any connections to living people with the surname, but here's hoping that will change.
Now that I have spent time with the ghost of Mr. Batte, I can say that he isn't infallible but he is good; very, very thorough. He kept good track of his sources. I, however, only try to keep track of which cards he used to document the information and sources, and that in the format used by the Library of Virginia.
I am even less perfect in my attempts to translate Mr. Batte's work into the digital age, and I always welcome comments and corrections, and even additions (if they are sourced in some way).
My intention to is allow the download of the complete gedcom when I consider this effort complete. I have continued to support a database called poythressp1, where you can download 6 generations of Poythress descendants, but this database doesn't contain all the other family connections. My more complete database is called va_families where you can download 3 generations of ancestors or descendants..
If you haven't looked at the Rootsweb's World Connect (or Ancestry's companion World Tree) in some time, you might find it worth your while to explore the many ways it can show you the material in a database. To make it easier, I have created some links to demonstrate the kind of information you might use.Some Early Virginia Families The title page at Rootsweb.com, with gedcom and Source Notes. Link. I also provide links to the Poythress web site.
Enter any name of interest, such as "poythress, francis" and hit, list. Poythress, Francis will come up at the top of the list. Advanced search will also query the database with more specific requirements.Francis Poythress's Descendants (register about 90 pages) Mary _____ Poythress Wynne's Descendants (register about 99 pages)Jane Poythress's Descendants (register about 35 pages)Francis Poythress's Descendants (outline about 130 pages) This from the poythressp1 site but this information can also be accessed from va_families.
For demonstrations purposes, try
Text Format Pedigree of Susanna Peachy Poythress's daughter Mary
Table format pedigree of Susan Peachy Poythress
Good hunting..
Diana
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09/07/2004 4:30:25
RE: My Database of the Francis Poythress Family
Diana Diamond
Well, <G> that didn't work out so well. Where did my links go? Does anyone know? I'll try something better later. Diana
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09/07/2004 4:38:16
Re; My database of the Poythress Family
Diana Diamond
Yikes!
How quickly I forgot that rootsweb lists are plain vanilla text.
For the rest, take my word for it, and forgive me for earlier lapses.
I'll happily send the HTML email with the links to anyone who asks.
Sheepishly,
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09/07/2004 6:13:44
Re: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
Maynard: The early DAR records weren't falsified. It was more a case of
them making mistakes in connecting families and the support for those
connections weren't verified. In today's DAR, they are very careful about being sure
the records support the claims and therefore you are more likely to get
correct information from more recent members papers. There were a few more for Wm
so I will check further. The papers themselves will give lineage from
ususally one to nine generations or so, depending on the age of the applicant.
Then references are given for each generation..such as birth certificates and
marriage certificates then as the generations unfold it can be a census or a
will or such which gives where they can be found, such as WB #, page, county
and state. The problem has arisen about incorrect information in that
sometimes a reference is a previously admitted member used as a reference and
sometimes that reference was incorrect. Still at least you might find some
information. The best way to do it would be to have someone look it up at the DAR
National Library so at least you wouldn't have spent $10 without being sure
the papers gave you the information you were looking for.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 09/08/2004 6:06:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Thanks a ton, Mary Jean. I'll get right on this one. I share your
concern about many of those "records" of yesteryear; however, I'm a tad
optimistic given that if they have the information we want AT ALL
(parents of Wm.), that's not stuff someone is likely to falsify. That's
what I'll hope anyway.
Maynard
09/08/2004 6:30:45
Re: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
In a message dated 09/03/2004 8:57:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
For 10 bucks the DAR says they will send you limited information that
YOU specify on a patriot. However, we'll need all we can get. Somebody
on here was saying a while back that she could get complete copies of
the papers submitted by ladies to the DAR leading to a particular
patriot. Is this still a possibility?
Maynard:
Yes, it is still possible. Go to this site and you can send for the
information you want, which should be the complete papers of the individual who
registered under William Poythress as a patriot. First I would get the number of
the individual and this DAR site does do a free look up for you as you know,
and should have given you a number. I have gotten them for several of my
family and they do have support for some statements.
However, I must caution that some of the sources given many moons ago do not
hold up in today's light of genealogical research.
Below is the site to order and below that some lineages I picked up from
Ancestry.com. There are quite a few from Anne Poythress and Bland but these
represent William.
From the lineage DAR books:
[p.181] Mrs. Nellie Hazen Gough.
DAR ID Number: 68491
Born in Newburgh, Ind.
Wife of Eugene H. Gough.
Descendant of Solomon Hazen and Lieut. William Poythress.
Daughter of Gaines H. Hazen (b. 1847) and Emma J. Beatley (b. 1857), his
wife.
Granddaughter of Albert Hazen and Eliza Roberts, his wife; James Madison
Beatley (1815-65) and Ann Peniston (1823-1900), his wife, m. 1837.
Gr-granddaughter of Zavan Hazen and Abigail Patterson, his wife; Francis P.
Peniston (1794-1824) and Hannah S. Moore (1796-1823), his wife, m. 1815.
Gr-gr-granddaughter of Solomon Hazen and Theodora Pease, his wife; Anthony
Peniston (1764-97) and Elizabeth Poythress (b. 1765), his wife, m. 1783.
Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth — (1741-83), his
wife, m. 1758.
Solomon Hazen (1759-1849) enlisted, 1777, in Capt. Joshua Hazen's company,
Col. Peter Olcott's regiment from Vermont. He was born in Woodbury, Conn.;
died in Hartford, Vt.
William Poythress (1741-83) served as lieutenant in 1st Continental
artillery, Virginia Line. He was born in Virginia.
The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume
148
page 93
Mrs. Marguerite Aley Stouse.147297
Born in Denver, Colo.
Wife of Henry Stouse.
Descendant of Lieut. William Poythress, as follows:
1. Theodore Benedict Aley (1859-95) m. 1866 Minnie Wathen (b. 1867).
2. Calvin R. Aley (1833-94) m. 1858 Susan Louise Beatley (b. 1838).
3. James Madison Beatley (1813-65) m. 1837 Ann Peniston (1823-1900).
4. Francis Poythress Peniston (1794-1824) m. 1815 Hannah Satterwhite Moore
(1796-1823).
5. Anthony Peniston (1764-97) m. 1783 Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818).
6. William Poythress m. 1758 Elizabeth — (1741-83).
William Poythress (1737-83) was 1st lieutenant of artillery in the Virginia
Continental Line. He was born and died in Virginia.
Sorry I am late getting in on this but I am one of those Florida people who
had to leave.
Regards, Mary Jean
09/08/2004 11:38:43
RE: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
John M. Poythress
Thanks a ton, Mary Jean. I'll get right on this one. I share your
concern about many of those "records" of yesteryear; however, I'm a tad
optimistic given that if they have the information we want AT ALL
(parents of Wm.), that's not stuff someone is likely to falsify. That's
what I'll hope anyway.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:39 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
In a message dated 09/03/2004 8:57:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
For 10 bucks the DAR says they will send you limited information that
YOU specify on a patriot. However, we'll need all we can get.
Somebody
on here was saying a while back that she could get complete copies of
the papers submitted by ladies to the DAR leading to a particular
patriot. Is this still a possibility?
Maynard:
Yes, it is still possible. Go to this site and you can send for the
information you want, which should be the complete papers of the
individual who
registered under William Poythress as a patriot. First I would get the
number of
the individual and this DAR site does do a free look up for you as you
know,
and should have given you a number. I have gotten them for several of
my
family and they do have support for some statements.
However, I must caution that some of the sources given many moons ago do
not
hold up in today's light of genealogical research.
Below is the site to order and below that some lineages I picked up
from
Ancestry.com. There are quite a few from Anne Poythress and Bland but
these
represent William.
From the lineage DAR books:
[p.181] Mrs. Nellie Hazen Gough.
DAR ID Number: 68491
Born in Newburgh, Ind.
Wife of Eugene H. Gough.
Descendant of Solomon Hazen and Lieut. William Poythress.
Daughter of Gaines H. Hazen (b. 1847) and Emma J. Beatley (b. 1857),
his
wife.
Granddaughter of Albert Hazen and Eliza Roberts, his wife; James
Madison
Beatley (1815-65) and Ann Peniston (1823-1900), his wife, m. 1837.
Gr-granddaughter of Zavan Hazen and Abigail Patterson, his wife;
Francis P.
Peniston (1794-1824) and Hannah S. Moore (1796-1823), his wife, m.
1815.
Gr-gr-granddaughter of Solomon Hazen and Theodora Pease, his wife;
Anthony
Peniston (1764-97) and Elizabeth Poythress (b. 1765), his wife, m.
1783.
Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth - (1741-83),
his
wife, m. 1758.
Solomon Hazen (1759-1849) enlisted, 1777, in Capt. Joshua Hazen's
company,
Col. Peter Olcott's regiment from Vermont. He was born in Woodbury,
Conn.;
died in Hartford, Vt.
William Poythress (1741-83) served as lieutenant in 1st Continental
artillery, Virginia Line. He was born in Virginia.
The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution
Volume
148
page 93
Mrs. Marguerite Aley Stouse.147297
Born in Denver, Colo.
Wife of Henry Stouse.
Descendant of Lieut. William Poythress, as follows:
1. Theodore Benedict Aley (1859-95) m. 1866 Minnie Wathen (b. 1867).
2. Calvin R. Aley (1833-94) m. 1858 Susan Louise Beatley (b. 1838).
3. James Madison Beatley (1813-65) m. 1837 Ann Peniston (1823-1900).
4. Francis Poythress Peniston (1794-1824) m. 1815 Hannah Satterwhite
Moore
(1796-1823).
5. Anthony Peniston (1764-97) m. 1783 Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818).
6. William Poythress m. 1758 Elizabeth - (1741-83).
William Poythress (1737-83) was 1st lieutenant of artillery in the
Virginia
Continental Line. He was born and died in Virginia.
Sorry I am late getting in on this but I am one of those Florida people
who
had to leave.
Regards, Mary Jean
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09/08/2004 12:04:51
RE: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean: when you gave me those two ladies descended from Lt. William
you omitted the "volume #" for the first one, Mrs. Nellie Hazen Gough.
Would that # be easy for you to find.
Since we now have little interest in these two ladies beyond learning
the parentage of Lt. William and wife Elizabeth, would you suggest I
just write the DAR with a specific query to that effect and offer to pay
copying and postage costs rather than get into the deal of submitting a
form and getting the entire record for each of the two ladies?
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:31 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Stalking Francis the Preacher & DAR
Maynard: The early DAR records weren't falsified. It was more a case
of
them making mistakes in connecting families and the support for those
connections weren't verified. In today's DAR, they are very careful
about being sure
the records support the claims and therefore you are more likely to get
correct information from more recent members papers. There were a few
more for Wm
so I will check further. The papers themselves will give lineage from
ususally one to nine generations or so, depending on the age of the
applicant.
Then references are given for each generation..such as birth
certificates and
marriage certificates then as the generations unfold it can be a census
or a
will or such which gives where they can be found, such as WB #, page,
county
and state. The problem has arisen about incorrect information in that
sometimes a reference is a previously admitted member used as a
reference and
sometimes that reference was incorrect. Still at least you might find
some
information. The best way to do it would be to have someone look it up
at the DAR
National Library so at least you wouldn't have spent $10 without being
sure
the papers gave you the information you were looking for.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 09/08/2004 6:06:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Thanks a ton, Mary Jean. I'll get right on this one. I share your
concern about many of those "records" of yesteryear; however, I'm a tad
optimistic given that if they have the information we want AT ALL
(parents of Wm.), that's not stuff someone is likely to falsify.
That's
what I'll hope anyway.
Maynard
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09/09/2004 9:06:09
Free Online Encyclopedia
John M. Poythress
Last week on Richard Eastman's genealogy newsletter he touted an online
encyclopedia which he termed the "best" encyclopedia online, free or
otherwise. He took some flack from his readers by touting the thing on
his regular letter and then saying you could find out the name if you
subscribed to his premium cost newsletter.
In the week following, however, he allowed the name to be posted:
www.wikipedia.org ...it is an open ended proposition to which
volunteers presumably submit articles. I have checked it out and it is
indeed an excellent encyclopedia..whether or not it's the best online I
can't say.
Thought some of you might like to try it.
Maynard
09/09/2004 10:04:43
RE: Stalking Francis the Preacher
John M. Poythress
RE:
How about William Poythress being the younger brother of
Col. Peter Poythress and Capt. Robert Poythress? Their sister Mary Ann
Poythress Minge was born about 1735 and Col. Peter's granddaughter
married
Theodorick Bland Pryor. This family was in the limelight with Col. Peter
Poythress being a member of the Constitutional Convention. It makes
sense
that his brother, William Poythress, would be the one to have a portrait
made of himself. What do you think about this?...............Mike
Mike....the time frame would be on the money, the "connections" would be
logical....and every other William's wife seems to be accounted for with
no Elizabeths on deck.
As shaky as RBB is on this fellow, he says:
"283 William Poythress
His existence would not have been known except for a statement made in a
1793 Chesterfield deed given by Tabitha (Poythress 285) Randolph to the
effect that her father Robert Poythress 28 had by his will left property
to his sons Robert, Peter, and William Poythress."
Now.....Robert's will was 1743 and William is in there....and I suppose
there is no contradiction that his sister Tabitha Randolph would mention
the behest in a deed 50 years later.
I don't put too much stock in the dates assigned to him by the two
ladies who used him as a "qualifier" as the birth and death dates of the
qualifier wouldn't be a particularly big deal, all they were after was
proving descent. Anyway,
one lady makes him 1741-1783 and the other makes him 1737-1783. Both
are "eligible" dates for Wm to be in a 1743 will but is the guy (father
Robert) dying in 1743 and THEN siring Wm's YOUNGER sisters Tabitha, Jane
& Elizabeth? (And we know Robert didn't make the will years
earlier...his wife and a son had it in court as executors in same year,
1743.
And when it comes to Elizabeth one DAR lady makes her b. 1765 and m.
1783. The other lady makes her 1765-1818. The Peniston wire says 1818
and this old query that I saved from somewhere suggests not only that
1818 is probably right but:
"PENNISTON/PENISTON, EPPS, GILHAM - Searching for information on the
Peniston family of Prince George,Va. In 1802 Elizabeth Peniston,widow of
Thomas Peniston,dec'd, of Jessamine,Ky appointed her son Samuel
Penniston of same to go to Prince George,Va and act as her attorney to
recover her rights of dower in certain tracts of land sold by the Tho
Penniston in his life to Peter Epps and Robert Gilliam both of Prince
George,Va. Any information will be appreciated.Will share my Ky inf on
the Peniston family. idell@nemr.net
I'm just talking to myself on this one but it would suggest that Thomas
Penniston m. her in Virginia if she had dower rights in VA property,
wouldn't it?
I think I could talk myself out of this being the right William, could
you?
MP
PS...still cuttin' and pastin'.....I'll wind up transposing the text in
pencil onto poster board. At that point I guess we start looking for
cracks and massage the thing as we go.
09/09/2004 11:53:59
RE: Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
John M. Poythress
Folks, that Poythress Cleaton continues to have me shaking my head. I'd
make book it was Meredith's son Cleaton/Cleaton showing up as Poythress,
(comma)Cleaton...who is named for his grandfather (note the "convention
connection"; i. e., second son named for the mother's
father)....superficially, it looks like a slam dunk.
What snookers me is that he turns up as a tithable and therefore I
suppose 21 but even if it's 18 he's still too old in 1872 to be born of
the marriage in 1871 of Meredith to Edith Cleaton.
So the Meck. "recorder" has to be making TWO errors: leaving out a comma
when "last name first" was not even a "convention" then.....plus he's
got to call a son little more than an infant a tithable. Highly
unlikely I'd say.
But I also note that we have never gotten any confirmation of this one
and only recorded instance of this guy that I have ever seen. And the
guy leaves no downstream "trail"....never shows up again in any form
that I know of.
And we do indeed have a REAL Cleton (sic) Poythress showing up in his
own 1828 will citing his family.
If he was in someone's direct line and that important to us I'd be
losing sleep....otherwise I suppose I'll just keep shaking my head with
some degree of disbelief until we find him "showing" somewhere else in
confirmation.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS [mailto:morrisae@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
Hello Barbara I am back on the family of Poythress and wondered if you
have info on Ruth Irvin Poythress daughter of Leon Poythress and Mary
Lambert. Thanks Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
Thanks, Maynard, for the info you cited in your message re the family
of
Meredith, including his marriage to Edith Cleaton & the 1809 Screven
County deed. Looks like you & I were simultaneously addressing that
will
of Cleton Poythress
Since the 1782 Mecklenburg Personal Property Tax List (that I
mentioned
yesterday), listed "Clayton Poythress" -- that shows us that (whoever
he
was!) he was old enough to (1) be a tithable, and (2) not be listed in
the household of another tithable, such as his father's household.
Thus,
he (Cleton/Clayton/Cleaton Poythress or Poythress Clayton/Cleaton) was
probably born by about 1760 to 1766-ish.
That COULD mean that the fellow in the 1782 List was a sibling of
Meredith Poythress, who subsequently named one of his sons for him, or
it COULD mean that in Edith Cleaton's family (or extended family)
there
was a Poythress Cleaton...
A few years ago I examined many years of microfilmed Mecklenburg Co,
VA
Personal Property Tax Lists, and Land Tax Lists. In the Personal
Property Tax Lists, "Poythress Clayton" in ONLY the year 1782, was the
only mention of the Poythress name that I saw during the years of 1782
through 1785. It was only in 1786 that Meredith began to be listed. He
was the only Poythress listed in Mecklenburg until 1795 when a second
Poythress-surnamed tithable was listed: Lewis Poythress. Then in 1800,
Meredith's listing included the notation that his son "Peter" was then
also a tithable, having reached the necessary age, which I think was
"Over 16."
Interestingly, in the Mecklenburg Land Tax Records, the lists for the
Lower District of the county (the one corresponding with the above
records) were not on the film for the years of 1783 thru 1786; no
Poythress was found in the other district. Earlier, in 1782, there was
no Poythress in either district, and then again from 1787 thru 1792
there was no Poythress in either district.
Even when a Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records for the
Lower District, in 1793, it was not Meredith: Peter Poythress showed
up
in 1793, though NOT in 1794, and then Peter was there again in the
years
that I read between 1795 to 1819, with the caveats that (1) the Lower
District was missing from the film for 1800; (2) the 1807 list was too
faded to read; and (3) for some reason I missed reading the list for
1808 -- don't know if it was missing from the film, or if it too was
too
faded to read & I just neglected to note that, or if I just missed
reading it.
Lewis Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records (same Lower
District) in 1797. The next Poythress to join him in the records was
Littleberry Poythress in 1829-1831, whose land was in the other
District
of the county. David Poythress began showing up in 1828, on the same
Lower District with Lewis Poythress. In 1846, we still have "Lewis
Poythress Senr" (now designated that way to distinguish him from Lewis
Y
Poythress), and now "Lewis Y and Thomas M Poythress" (who apparently
jointly owned their land) had also joined the Lower District list.
Someday I want to comb back thru those lists to also search for all
the
Cleatons in all the years. I had taken time to note some of them &
other
names of interest when I went thru the first time, but I was not
consistent in remembering to look for them along with always looking
for
Poythress. And hopefully another filming has been done that may make
some of the previously missing/faded lists available.
All for now.
BPN
1/14/2004 John M. Poythress wrote: Subject: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
>
> 1. Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton 14 Jul 1781 (daughter of
William
> Cleaton II). A Cleaton Poythress showing on 1782 VA proxy census
would
> be
> entirely logical if he shows as Meredith's child. And 1782 would be
a
> a "right" birth date.
>
> 2. Cleaton/Cleton would have a younger brother Peter who shows in
> Screven
> County in an 1809 deed linking himself (Peter) with his father
Meredith
> and his uncle Thomas Cleaton:
>
> SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.
> 7th day of ____, 1809
> Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to
Thomas
> Cleaton, second part, of Macklenburg (sic) County , Va., for 43£
current
> money of Virginia, paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said
> Cleaton, and for one cent in United States coin, paid to Peter
Poythress
> by Thomas Cleaton, a certain tract of land in Macklenburg (sic)
County,
> Virginia containing 50 acres by estimation.
> Usual Warranty
> In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
> Hardy Parker, James Ponder
> Recorded 30th day of October 1809
> Roger McKinney, Clerk
>
> Meredith and Peter are clearly linked in the above. The Thomas I
would
> say is almost certainly the ninth and last child of William Cleaton
II
> m. Jane Poole. Thomas Cleaton b. 1750-60, d. 1818 Mecklenburg
County m.
> 1 Elizabeth
> Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788 in Brunswick County and m. 2. Lucy Malone 3
Mar
> 1808 in Mecklenburg County.
>
> 3. This same Cleaton ("Cleton" in his will) dies in Screven County
and
> leaves a will which bundles Meredith's family together nicely
although
> not
> naming his mother Edith Cleaton (if indeed she is still alive in
1828,
> she would have been about 63). Likewise, brother Peter is not
mentioned
> and may be presumed dead or left as he never shows on a later
census.
> The will:
>
> Will of Cleton Poythress, Screven County, Georgia, 18 May 1828
>
> In the name of God, Amen. I, Cleton Poythress of the County of
Scriven
> & State of Georgia (Planter) being weak in body & health but of
perfect
> mind & memory thanks be given to God, and calling to mind the
morality
> (sic)
> of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die,
do
> make and ordain this, my last will & Testament that is to say
> principally & first of all I give and recommend my soul into the
hand of
> Almighty God that gave it and my body I recommend to the earth to be
> buried in decent Christian burial, at the discretion of my
Executor,
> nothing doubting but at the General Resurrection I shall receive the
> same again by the mighty power of God. And as touching such worldly
> Estate wherewith it has pleased God to bless me in this life, I give
> devise and dispose of the same in the following manner & form, viz.
> First I give and bequeath to my father Meredith Poythress one Cow
and
> calf. Also I will & bequeath to my sister Elizabeth Brannen my two
> negroes viz. Hilly and her child Lucy on her paying to my brother
> Meredith Poythress and my Niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress one
hundred
> dollars each. Also, I will and bequeath that my Executor will have
so
> much of my cattle & hogs & horses sold as will pay all my just and
> lawful debts & the balance of all my stock to equally divided
between my
> sister Elizabeth Brannen & my brother Meredith Poythress & my Niece
> Sarah Elizabeth Poythress. And I the aforesaid Cleton Poythress do
> constitue(sic), make & ordain Hope Brannen of the County & State
> aforesaid my sole Executor of this my last & only Will & Testament &
I
> do hereby utterly disannul, revoke & disavow any other former
legacies,
> bequest, will, or Testament confirming and ratifying this & no other
to
> be my last will & Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set
my
> hand & affixed my seal this the eighteenth day of May one thousand
eight
> hundred & twenty eight. Signed, Sealed,published; pronounced by the
man
> Cleton Poythress as his last testament in the presence of us, who in
his
> presence & in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed
our
> names.
> } Cleton Poythress {LS}
> Cullen Williamson }
> William Brannen, Jane Brannen }
>
> Georgia } Personally appeared in open court Cullen
Williamson
> Screvin County } who being duly sworn deposeth & saith that he
saw
> the
> within named Cleton Poythress sign, seal, publish & pronounce the
> foregoing instrument of writing as his last will and testament, and
> deponent further saith that he saw William Brannen & Jane Brannen
> together with himself subscribe their names as witnesses to the
same.
>
> Sworn to & subscribed in open Cullen Williamson
> Court this 7th day of July 1828 }
> Jell. Wade I. I. C. } Recorded this 9th day of
July
> 1828.
> Jacob Bryan I. I. C. } Seaborn Goodall
> C.C.O.I.C.
> Alexander Kemp I. I. C. }
>
> 4. Under supposedly other circumstances there is a Poythress Cleaton
> reported in VA. If the last Poythress marrying a Cleaton goes to GA
by
> at least 1803 there is at least the chance the order of the names
might
> have been reversed, thereby creating "another" person. An
alternative
> is that either Thomas or the one other Cleaton brother (John Cleaton
m.
> Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in Brunswick County) could have had a son
and
> named him Poythress Cleaton.
>
> Perhaps whomever has that "Poythress Cleaton" as an individual can
share
> that with us.
>
>
>
> Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
> Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual
for an
> infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
> don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did
they
> give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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09/10/2004 2:08:21
RE: Poythress, Cleaton
Hi to you all. I put Poythress, Cleaton into Ancestry's data base to see if
anything new came up. There were 3 hits.
AGBI
1. Cleaton, Poythress, date of birth (sic)175?, volume 30, page 230,
reference: Heads of Fams. at the first U.S. census.Va. By U.S. Bureau of the Census.
Washington, 1908. (189p.):33
Virginia Census 1800-90
2. Poythress, Cleaton, state VA, Township 07 01, 1782, Continental Census,
page 33,
Family Trees
3. Cleaton, John Poythress, birth 1824, father Thomas Cleaton, mother Mary
Mitchell Thacker, spouse Martha A.Davis, lists 3 children.
One variant in the Family Tree Data base lists Cleaton, John Poythress as
being born in Greensville Co., VA and his spouse as Martha A.R. Chambers, list 2
different children.
I am sure most of this is old news but thought I would throw it out there,
just in case.
Take care,
Elaine
Folks, that Poythress Cleaton continues to have me shaking my head. I'd
make book it was Meredith's son Cleaton/Cleaton showing up as Poythress,
(comma)Cleaton...who is named for his grandfather (note the "convention
connection"; i. e., second son named for the mother's
father)....superficially, it looks like a slam dunk.
What snookers me is that he turns up as a tithable and therefore I
suppose 21 but even if it's 18 he's still too old in 1872 to be born of
the marriage in 1871 of Meredith to Edith Cleaton.
So the Meck. "recorder" has to be making TWO errors: leaving out a comma
when "last name first" was not even a "convention" then.....plus he's
got to call a son little more than an infant a tithable. Highly
unlikely I'd say.
But I also note that we have never gotten any confirmation of this one
and only recorded instance of this guy that I have ever seen. And the
guy leaves no downstream "trail"....never shows up again in any form
that I know of.
And we do indeed have a REAL Cleton (sic) Poythress showing up in his
own 1828 will citing his family.
If he was in someone's direct line and that important to us I'd be
losing sleep....otherwise I suppose I'll just keep shaking my head with
some degree of disbelief until we find him "showing" somewhere else in
confirmation.
Maynard
09/10/2004 3:11:43
Re: Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Hello Barbara I am back on the family of Poythress and wondered if you have info on Ruth Irvin Poythress daughter of Leon Poythress and Mary Lambert. Thanks Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Cleaton & Meredith Poythress & others in tax list
Thanks, Maynard, for the info you cited in your message re the family of
Meredith, including his marriage to Edith Cleaton & the 1809 Screven
County deed. Looks like you & I were simultaneously addressing that will
of Cleton Poythress
Since the 1782 Mecklenburg Personal Property Tax List (that I mentioned
yesterday), listed "Clayton Poythress" -- that shows us that (whoever he
was!) he was old enough to (1) be a tithable, and (2) not be listed in
the household of another tithable, such as his father's household. Thus,
he (Cleton/Clayton/Cleaton Poythress or Poythress Clayton/Cleaton) was
probably born by about 1760 to 1766-ish.
That COULD mean that the fellow in the 1782 List was a sibling of
Meredith Poythress, who subsequently named one of his sons for him, or
it COULD mean that in Edith Cleaton's family (or extended family) there
was a Poythress Cleaton...
A few years ago I examined many years of microfilmed Mecklenburg Co, VA
Personal Property Tax Lists, and Land Tax Lists. In the Personal
Property Tax Lists, "Poythress Clayton" in ONLY the year 1782, was the
only mention of the Poythress name that I saw during the years of 1782
through 1785. It was only in 1786 that Meredith began to be listed. He
was the only Poythress listed in Mecklenburg until 1795 when a second
Poythress-surnamed tithable was listed: Lewis Poythress. Then in 1800,
Meredith's listing included the notation that his son "Peter" was then
also a tithable, having reached the necessary age, which I think was
"Over 16."
Interestingly, in the Mecklenburg Land Tax Records, the lists for the
Lower District of the county (the one corresponding with the above
records) were not on the film for the years of 1783 thru 1786; no
Poythress was found in the other district. Earlier, in 1782, there was
no Poythress in either district, and then again from 1787 thru 1792
there was no Poythress in either district.
Even when a Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records for the
Lower District, in 1793, it was not Meredith: Peter Poythress showed up
in 1793, though NOT in 1794, and then Peter was there again in the years
that I read between 1795 to 1819, with the caveats that (1) the Lower
District was missing from the film for 1800; (2) the 1807 list was too
faded to read; and (3) for some reason I missed reading the list for
1808 -- don't know if it was missing from the film, or if it too was too
faded to read & I just neglected to note that, or if I just missed
reading it.
Lewis Poythress began showing up in the Land Tax records (same Lower
District) in 1797. The next Poythress to join him in the records was
Littleberry Poythress in 1829-1831, whose land was in the other District
of the county. David Poythress began showing up in 1828, on the same
Lower District with Lewis Poythress. In 1846, we still have "Lewis
Poythress Senr" (now designated that way to distinguish him from Lewis Y
Poythress), and now "Lewis Y and Thomas M Poythress" (who apparently
jointly owned their land) had also joined the Lower District list.
Someday I want to comb back thru those lists to also search for all the
Cleatons in all the years. I had taken time to note some of them & other
names of interest when I went thru the first time, but I was not
consistent in remembering to look for them along with always looking for
Poythress. And hopefully another filming has been done that may make
some of the previously missing/faded lists available.
All for now.
BPN
1/14/2004 John M. Poythress wrote: Subject: Cleaton Poythress/Continental Census
>
> 1. Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton 14 Jul 1781 (daughter of William
> Cleaton II). A Cleaton Poythress showing on 1782 VA proxy census would
> be
> entirely logical if he shows as Meredith's child. And 1782 would be a
> a "right" birth date.
>
> 2. Cleaton/Cleton would have a younger brother Peter who shows in
> Screven
> County in an 1809 deed linking himself (Peter) with his father Meredith
> and his uncle Thomas Cleaton:
>
> SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.
> 7th day of ____, 1809
> Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to Thomas
> Cleaton, second part, of Macklenburg (sic) County , Va., for 43£ current
> money of Virginia, paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said
> Cleaton, and for one cent in United States coin, paid to Peter Poythress
> by Thomas Cleaton, a certain tract of land in Macklenburg (sic) County,
> Virginia containing 50 acres by estimation.
> Usual Warranty
> In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
> Hardy Parker, James Ponder
> Recorded 30th day of October 1809
> Roger McKinney, Clerk
>
> Meredith and Peter are clearly linked in the above. The Thomas I would
> say is almost certainly the ninth and last child of William Cleaton II
> m. Jane Poole. Thomas Cleaton b. 1750-60, d. 1818 Mecklenburg County m.
> 1 Elizabeth
> Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788 in Brunswick County and m. 2. Lucy Malone 3 Mar
> 1808 in Mecklenburg County.
>
> 3. This same Cleaton ("Cleton" in his will) dies in Screven County and
> leaves a will which bundles Meredith's family together nicely although
> not
> naming his mother Edith Cleaton (if indeed she is still alive in 1828,
> she would have been about 63). Likewise, brother Peter is not mentioned
> and may be presumed dead or left as he never shows on a later census.
> The will:
>
> Will of Cleton Poythress, Screven County, Georgia, 18 May 1828
>
> In the name of God, Amen. I, Cleton Poythress of the County of Scriven
> & State of Georgia (Planter) being weak in body & health but of perfect
> mind & memory thanks be given to God, and calling to mind the morality
> (sic)
> of my body & knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do
> make and ordain this, my last will & Testament that is to say
> principally & first of all I give and recommend my soul into the hand of
> Almighty God that gave it and my body I recommend to the earth to be
> buried in decent Christian burial, at the discretion of my Executor,
> nothing doubting but at the General Resurrection I shall receive the
> same again by the mighty power of God. And as touching such worldly
> Estate wherewith it has pleased God to bless me in this life, I give
> devise and dispose of the same in the following manner & form, viz.
> First I give and bequeath to my father Meredith Poythress one Cow and
> calf. Also I will & bequeath to my sister Elizabeth Brannen my two
> negroes viz. Hilly and her child Lucy on her paying to my brother
> Meredith Poythress and my Niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress one hundred
> dollars each. Also, I will and bequeath that my Executor will have so
> much of my cattle & hogs & horses sold as will pay all my just and
> lawful debts & the balance of all my stock to equally divided between my
> sister Elizabeth Brannen & my brother Meredith Poythress & my Niece
> Sarah Elizabeth Poythress. And I the aforesaid Cleton Poythress do
> constitue(sic), make & ordain Hope Brannen of the County & State
> aforesaid my sole Executor of this my last & only Will & Testament & I
> do hereby utterly disannul, revoke & disavow any other former legacies,
> bequest, will, or Testament confirming and ratifying this & no other to
> be my last will & Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
> hand & affixed my seal this the eighteenth day of May one thousand eight
> hundred & twenty eight. Signed, Sealed,published; pronounced by the man
> Cleton Poythress as his last testament in the presence of us, who in his
> presence & in the presence of each other have hereunto subscribed our
> names.
> } Cleton Poythress {LS}
> Cullen Williamson }
> William Brannen, Jane Brannen }
>
> Georgia } Personally appeared in open court Cullen Williamson
> Screvin County } who being duly sworn deposeth & saith that he saw
> the
> within named Cleton Poythress sign, seal, publish & pronounce the
> foregoing instrument of writing as his last will and testament, and
> deponent further saith that he saw William Brannen & Jane Brannen
> together with himself subscribe their names as witnesses to the same.
>
> Sworn to & subscribed in open Cullen Williamson
> Court this 7th day of July 1828 }
> Jell. Wade I. I. C. } Recorded this 9th day of July
> 1828.
> Jacob Bryan I. I. C. } Seaborn Goodall
> C.C.O.I.C.
> Alexander Kemp I. I. C. }
>
> 4. Under supposedly other circumstances there is a Poythress Cleaton
> reported in VA. If the last Poythress marrying a Cleaton goes to GA by
> at least 1803 there is at least the chance the order of the names might
> have been reversed, thereby creating "another" person. An alternative
> is that either Thomas or the one other Cleaton brother (John Cleaton m.
> Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in Brunswick County) could have had a son and
> named him Poythress Cleaton.
>
> Perhaps whomever has that "Poythress Cleaton" as an individual can share
> that with us.
>
>
>
> Elaine, does your record give an age or a father or is this Cleaton
> Poythress just stuck on some record by himself (seemingly unusual for an
> infant). In either case what you cite is a nice record to have. I
> don't recall ever having run across a "Continental Census." Did they
> give us a clue as to where that "Database" came from?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
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09/10/2004 10:38:11
Leon Poythress & wife Mary Lambert - Brunswick Co, VA
Barbara P. Neal
I checked my database, Libbee, and found that I had no children
whatsoever listed for this couple. Do you know whether Ruth Irvin
Poythress was their only child?
I knew from a Family Group Sheet handwritten by Gladys Williams
(prepared sometime prior to me being given a copy in Oct 1990) that Leon
Poythress & Mary Lambert married 8 Jan 1899 at Bethlehem Methodist
Church, Rt. 611, "near Rich Baird's" in Brunswick Co, VA.
If you have any dates of birth or death for Leon Poythress and/or for
Mary Lambert, I sure would appreciate learning of those.
Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
9/10/2004 ELIZABETH MORRIS wrote:
Hello Barbara I am back on the family of Poythress and wondered if
you have info on Ruth Irvin Poythress daughter of Leon Poythress and
Mary Lambert. Thanks Libbee Morris
09/11/2004 10:57:14
Re: Diana's database of the Poythress Family
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Diana, for your great work on your database of the
Poythress Family. Really appreciate your messages last week about some
of the additions & the expanded aspects of using it. I've been
completely immersed for the last few months in dealing with eldercare
issues, which necessitated being away from genealogy, so am really
looking forward to having a chance to check this out as I get dug out
from the more pressing immediate needs & concerns.
Thanks again for your great work.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
09/12/2004 8:04:50
PG DB 1787-92
John M. Poythress
Mike, I mentioned to you that I had a sinking spell when I saw an
abstract by Ben Weisiger of a p. 12 document, Accounts of the Estate
of Alexander Robertson which had both a Joseph Poythress and a Joshua
Poythress in the same document. Weisiger says:
p. 12
Accounts of Estate of Alexander Robertson in account with Charles
Duncan, Administrator, 1781 through 1786. Mentions:
Joseph Poythress .[21 others] ..Joshua Poythress, etc. Accounts
executed by William Robertson & John Green.
Recorded Feb. 13, 1787.
Weisiger is no slouch, hes regarded as having been one of the best in
the business as far as I can tell. One has to accept his abstract at
face value.
Well, the reason I skipped right past catching his version of this
document in Ben Weisigers book is because I thought it was the same
one I had transcribed off the microfilm about 2001 in the Clayton
Library in Houston. And golly, look at the differences now that I have
laid the two side by side (both being abstracts) . now my version:
30 Feb 1787
Estate of Alexander Robertson [note: this is a very complex document
with numerous columns, headings and subheadings]
Sums due to various persons (among others):
Cash to John Poythress
Cash to Joshua Poythress
To Ann Poythress Morison: £545
12 slaves
several houses, plantation items
June, 1783 (date written?)
Wit: Joshua Poythress
Richard Bland
Elizabeth Blair Bland
(PG Deeds & Wills 1787-1792, pp. 13-14 abstracted)
I have no explanation as to why the two of us are so at odds: I have
John, he has Joseph. I have Ann Morison, he doesnt,
I have witnesses, he doesnt (and he almost always shows witnesses when
he has them). I show the legacy for Ann M. was sizable enough to
itemize, he didnt. I make the thing p. 13-14, Weisiger makes it p. 12.
I make it 30 Feb., he makes it 13 Feb. I know for a fact that I took
mine off the microfilm and one has to assume that Weisiger did the
same .or even if he used an original there shouldnt be this much
difference.
And rule out that it might be two different documents and he had the one
on p. 12 (13 Feb) and I have the one on p. 13-14 (30 Feb) .neither one
of us would have missed anything that obvious.
Typically, we wouldnt make a big deal out of this but we have
maintained all along that there was no Joseph and it was only used a
time or two in error when the court clerk (or somebody) really meant
Joshua. The issue of transcribing accuracy has no ego investment
for us but whether or not there really was a Joseph Poythress of PG
county is a sizable deal for us as a lot of stuff hinges off of it.
Now the same thing happened between my transcriptions off microfilm in
the Clayton library vs. Ben Weisigers transcriptions off of microfilm
which I assume would be in the Library of Virginia .unless of course he
was reading from the original document ..it happened with a very long
run of the PG Court Orders and there were quite a few glaring
differences. Plus, I had a couple of entries he didnt have and he had
several that I didnt have. I just worked around and sort of merged
the two and ignored what was otherwise a mystery to me as to how we got
to the differences. In this instance, none of the differences had any
significance so it wasnt worth much more than raising an eyebrow.
I think there is just no way I could make the number of errors it
would take to reconcile my document above with the presumably identical
document abstracted by Mr. Weisiger. Microfilm is a photograph of the
original and there is no way under the sun that there were two different
copies of handwritten court documents ever made to begin with.
Go figure. My microfilm is sitting 1000 miles away in Houston and I
dont plan to go back probably ever. Anyway, we can still cling to a
slender thread with the shaky claim that there never was a Joseph if you
want to buy my abstract ahead of Ben Weisigers (which is a matter Id
ordinarily make book against)
Anybody else got any ideas?
Maynard
10/04/2004 8:03:20
Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua - 1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12, 1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index, pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360
Deed Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737- 1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger, Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
10/05/2004 3:56:25
Re: PG DB 1787-92
Please ignore my email sent in error...I was in process of trying to figure
this out and had to run and hit the send now by mistake. Sorry.
Mary Jean
10/05/2004 3:58:23
RE: PG DB 1787-92
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean.....Duh....why didn't I think to look in the index of 1733-92
Records. I think this matter got started a few years back when there
was an obvious error (maybe not so obvious now) in the deed wherein
Elizabeth Duke sold her part of Flowerdew Hundred to Joshua and it got
recorded as Joseph.
That one seemed to throw suspicion on a Joseph that (if he did exist),
he certainly didn't deserve.
My thinking has been all along that just because to "not have" a Joseph
would be a matter of convenience we shouldn't jump on it as fact; and
I've labeled it a shaky proposition all along.
It strikes me that whether Weisiger transcribed off the original page or
microfilm is irrelevant because the second is only a photograph of the
first...and as long as the page numbers are in order with none missing
the two should be identical. HOWEVER, as we saw in the "Orders" example
it was just not so.
IN this instance, despite Weisiger's seemingly "positive" transcription,
I transcribed the same set of documents (handwritten) off of microfilm
and came up with the following:
Taking that index (Weisiger's "PG Records 1733-92" but in this instance
all we are talking about is the DB 1787-92)here is the comparison:
1. p. 82....I have it a John and a Joshua, Weisiger calls it a Joshua
and Joseph.
2. p. 95...(Elizabeth's will) I have "Jos." and my habit is to never
abbreviate (on my own) when making a transcription of a name; I'd say
the original abbreviated either Joseph or Joshua. Weisiger calls it
Joseph; but I'd have to say it's unlikely Weisiger would just
"extrapolate" a full name out of an abbreviation. Weisiger does a
little too much abstracting for my taste but he is NOT a sloppy
transcriber.
3) p. 115 (estate of Sturdivant)....I don't have this one AT ALL in my
transcription. Given that there are a million names on that document
it's possible I just overlooked that document entirely as I scanned the
microfilm. What is all the more possible(actually positive) is that
Weisiger wouldn't have just made the thing up out of the whole cloth...
And BTW, I have all of the other runs of PG documents that you list. As
far as my search goes, there is no Joseph on any of them albeit the
stuff we do have is only a fraction of the orginal PG records.
So, I guess I'm gonna say it's likely there was a Joseph and he was
likely obscure (or at least he didn't show up at the courthouse very
much ). But I'm not going to be surprised however it works out.
Thanks for your comments; it sharpened the focus for us.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger
covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua -
1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the
witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12,
1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the
Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his
records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was
mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and
from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had
been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for
that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the
availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index,
pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360
Deed Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737-
1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince
George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous
wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger,
Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
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10/05/2004 11:33:50
RE: PG DB 1787-92
Deloris Riley
John, I have been looking at your messages re Joshua Poythress because
of the relationship to my Wynne family. This is just my opinion, after
viewing numerous original documents,printed transcriptions, etc. In my
Wynne family, there are one or two who try to translate the abbreviation
Jos. Into "Joseph" when in reality, Jos. Was an abbreviation for
"Joshua". I don't believe "Joseph" was truly a name used by the early
English immigrants, but, of course, I could be wrong. I have
corresponded with one or two "researchers" who try to believe that
Joshua Wynne had a son named Joshua and one named Joseph. Not so.
Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Mary Jean.....Duh....why didn't I think to look in the index of 1733-92
Records. I think this matter got started a few years back when there
was an obvious error (maybe not so obvious now) in the deed wherein
Elizabeth Duke sold her part of Flowerdew Hundred to Joshua and it got
recorded as Joseph.
That one seemed to throw suspicion on a Joseph that (if he did exist),
he certainly didn't deserve.
My thinking has been all along that just because to "not have" a Joseph
would be a matter of convenience we shouldn't jump on it as fact; and
I've labeled it a shaky proposition all along.
It strikes me that whether Weisiger transcribed off the original page or
microfilm is irrelevant because the second is only a photograph of the
first...and as long as the page numbers are in order with none missing
the two should be identical. HOWEVER, as we saw in the "Orders" example
it was just not so.
IN this instance, despite Weisiger's seemingly "positive" transcription,
I transcribed the same set of documents (handwritten) off of microfilm
and came up with the following:
Taking that index (Weisiger's "PG Records 1733-92" but in this instance
all we are talking about is the DB 1787-92)here is the comparison:
1. p. 82....I have it a John and a Joshua, Weisiger calls it a Joshua
and Joseph.
2. p. 95...(Elizabeth's will) I have "Jos." and my habit is to never
abbreviate (on my own) when making a transcription of a name; I'd say
the original abbreviated either Joseph or Joshua. Weisiger calls it
Joseph; but I'd have to say it's unlikely Weisiger would just
"extrapolate" a full name out of an abbreviation. Weisiger does a
little too much abstracting for my taste but he is NOT a sloppy
transcriber.
3) p. 115 (estate of Sturdivant)....I don't have this one AT ALL in my
transcription. Given that there are a million names on that document
it's possible I just overlooked that document entirely as I scanned the
microfilm. What is all the more possible(actually positive) is that
Weisiger wouldn't have just made the thing up out of the whole cloth...
And BTW, I have all of the other runs of PG documents that you list. As
far as my search goes, there is no Joseph on any of them albeit the
stuff we do have is only a fraction of the orginal PG records.
So, I guess I'm gonna say it's likely there was a Joseph and he was
likely obscure (or at least he didn't show up at the courthouse very
much ). But I'm not going to be surprised however it works out.
Thanks for your comments; it sharpened the focus for us.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger
covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua -
1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the
witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12,
1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the
Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his
records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was
mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and
from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had
been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for
that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the
availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index,
pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360 Deed
Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737-
1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince
George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous
wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger,
Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
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10/06/2004 3:35:53
RE: PG DB 1787-92
John M. Poythress
Deloris....What an incisive point!
I had at one time or other mused casually at how infrequently the name
Joseph appeared. Until this instance I don't know that I had cause to
pursue the point. This would likely not pass muster in a real statistics
class but I used the Weisiger 1733-1792 PG Records book and counted the
number of Josephs in the index.
A total of 27 individuals had the given name and that's across 60 years
of records for hundreds of families and thousands of individuals. I'd be
inclined to call that an astonishing "infrequency" given the prevalence
of the name in later years.
To be sure, thousands of people were NOT in the "sample" counted but
there is no reason I can think of to say the proportion of Josephs in
the general population was any more or less than the population showing
in legal records used.
I too have encountered the "Jos." Abbreviation and found, at least in
the case of pre-1800 Poythresses, that it invariably stood for Joshua.
My call would be that we treat "Joseph" Poythress as something of a
Poythress doppelganger until he "proves" his identity. Having said that
I fully expect a dozen of them to come out of the woodwork in the next
week.
Many, many thanks for your comments.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
John, I have been looking at your messages re Joshua Poythress because
of the relationship to my Wynne family. This is just my opinion, after
viewing numerous original documents,printed transcriptions, etc. In my
Wynne family, there are one or two who try to translate the abbreviation
Jos. Into "Joseph" when in reality, Jos. Was an abbreviation for
"Joshua". I don't believe "Joseph" was truly a name used by the early
English immigrants, but, of course, I could be wrong. I have
corresponded with one or two "researchers" who try to believe that
Joshua Wynne had a son named Joshua and one named Joseph. Not so.
Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Mary Jean.....Duh....why didn't I think to look in the index of 1733-92
Records. I think this matter got started a few years back when there
was an obvious error (maybe not so obvious now) in the deed wherein
Elizabeth Duke sold her part of Flowerdew Hundred to Joshua and it got
recorded as Joseph.
That one seemed to throw suspicion on a Joseph that (if he did exist),
he certainly didn't deserve.
My thinking has been all along that just because to "not have" a Joseph
would be a matter of convenience we shouldn't jump on it as fact; and
I've labeled it a shaky proposition all along.
It strikes me that whether Weisiger transcribed off the original page or
microfilm is irrelevant because the second is only a photograph of the
first...and as long as the page numbers are in order with none missing
the two should be identical. HOWEVER, as we saw in the "Orders" example
it was just not so.
IN this instance, despite Weisiger's seemingly "positive" transcription,
I transcribed the same set of documents (handwritten) off of microfilm
and came up with the following:
Taking that index (Weisiger's "PG Records 1733-92" but in this instance
all we are talking about is the DB 1787-92)here is the comparison:
1. p. 82....I have it a John and a Joshua, Weisiger calls it a Joshua
and Joseph.
2. p. 95...(Elizabeth's will) I have "Jos." and my habit is to never
abbreviate (on my own) when making a transcription of a name; I'd say
the original abbreviated either Joseph or Joshua. Weisiger calls it
Joseph; but I'd have to say it's unlikely Weisiger would just
"extrapolate" a full name out of an abbreviation. Weisiger does a
little too much abstracting for my taste but he is NOT a sloppy
transcriber.
3) p. 115 (estate of Sturdivant)....I don't have this one AT ALL in my
transcription. Given that there are a million names on that document
it's possible I just overlooked that document entirely as I scanned the
microfilm. What is all the more possible(actually positive) is that
Weisiger wouldn't have just made the thing up out of the whole cloth...
And BTW, I have all of the other runs of PG documents that you list. As
far as my search goes, there is no Joseph on any of them albeit the
stuff we do have is only a fraction of the orginal PG records.
So, I guess I'm gonna say it's likely there was a Joseph and he was
likely obscure (or at least he didn't show up at the courthouse very
much ). But I'm not going to be surprised however it works out.
Thanks for your comments; it sharpened the focus for us.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger
covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua -
1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the
witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12,
1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the
Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his
records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was
mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and
from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had
been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for
that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the
availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index,
pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360 Deed
Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737-
1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince
George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous
wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger,
Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
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10/07/2004 11:39:49
RE: PG DB 1787-92
Deloris Riley
John, do you think it at all possible that even one individual whose
name was "Joshua" would choose to call himself "Joseph"? Or is that too
far fetched?
Since you are an experienced Poythress researcher, what do you think
about the information compiled by me, listed below and is it entirely
accurate as far as you know?
POYTHRESS/WYNNE
1658 Aug. 3. Several dif. Between JOHN SLOWMAN, gent., plt and
Capt. JOHN EPES, Mr. FRANCIS EPES and Mr. THOS. EPES Defts. To next
court.
10 br:3: 1658. Capt. JO. WOODLEIFE and Mr. GEO. POTTER
app. To examine dif. Between Capt. ROBT. WYNNE for the estate of Mr.
JOHN SLOWMAN decide and Mr. FRANCIS EPES and Mr. THO. EPES and report to
next court.
Now, obviously, Capt. Robert Wynne had a definite
interest in John Slowman's estate-was it because of his wife? Could we
speculate that in 1658 Capt. Robert Wynne was married to Mary "Slowman".
If so, Mary would be mother of Thomas and Joshua. Thomas Wynne and
Agnes Stith named their first born "Sloman"
It is claimed that Robert Wynne married Mary, widow of Francis
Poythress. I believe this to be true; however, I disagree as to the
date. I do not believe that Robert, Thomas & Joshua were sons of Robert
and Mary.
I found the following in Family Tree Maker submitted by Sandra J.
MacDonald. Please note that I do not always put my entire trust in all
data submitted but do take it seriously until proven differently.
"Francis Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress* and Peachy) was born Abt.
1614 in London Middlesex England, and died 1661 in Charles City, VA. He
married Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown Va. Francis
Poythress: Burial, 1661. Francis Poythress and Mary Frances Solomon:
Marriage about 1629, Jamestown, VA. Children of Francis Poythress and
Mary Frances Solomon are: 1.Jane Poythress b. bet.1630-34, Jamestown,
VA.
I think it is universally agreed that it was not "Solomon" but "Sloman",
if that indeed was her maiden name.
* Could this be the origin of the name "Joshua" in both the Wynne
family and the Poythress family?
1675 This is the year that Captain Robert Wynne of VA died. He only
reached the age of 53 years.
We know he left a wife named "Mary". Mary was mentioned as Colonel
Robert Wynne's executrix, 8 October 1675. (Min. of Council, p. 424).
Some have speculated that she was a "Sloman" (Mary Frances Sloman,
daughter of Robert Bolling and Anne Stith - only speculation.)
Evidence strongly suggests that Mary Wynne was the widow of Francis
Poythress and that Francis Poythress was the mother of (1) Francis
Poythress who married Christian Peebles and her granddaughter married
John Woodlief IV. (2) (Jane Poythress married Thomas Rolfe ca 1644, son
of Pochahontas (3) Thomas Poythress and (4) John Poythress.
Based on some Poythress records that I have seen , I am not sure the
above is accurate. According to Poythress doumention, Frances Poythress
m. Alice Poyton and their daughter, Jane Poythress married Thomas Rolfe,
the only son of Pocohantos and Thomas Wrofe/Rolfe.
We do wonder WHY the name "Sloman" is carried on down through Colonel
Robert Wynne's, son, Thomas' line. In the Thomas Wynne line it is quite
popular on down through the generations . Colonel Robert Wynne's son,
Joshua's son, Joshua II, also named one of his son's "Sloman".
Two men named John Sloman are among the 12 listed for Robert Wynne's
headrights. Was this father and son? I think this is of great importance
since, perhaps, Robert Wynne possibly married one of their daughters.
I believe it is generally accepted that Robert Wynne married Mary
Poythress after the death of her husband, Francis. It has never, to my
knowledge, been factually determined when Francis Poythress I died. The
only thing I have found relative to the question is when Edward Hill
deeded 50 acres in 1661, adjacent to the land whereon Robert Wynne now
resides, to John Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, deceased. Francis
could have died any number of years prior to this.
When Robert Wynne made his will in 1675, he had already been the father
of four children: Robert, deceased, Mary who already was a mother, thus
making Robert a grandfather (he mentioned his grandson in his will).
Thomas was born in 1657 and Joshua born in 1660 (dates based on their
own personal affidavits). He also mentioned his son-in-law, Francis
Poythress. "Everyone says" that son-in-law meant step-son. We know
Robert's daughter, Mary, was married to a Woodlief.
1712 11 Dec. 1712. The will of John Poythress, Sr. proven in Prince
George Co. mentions wife Christian and children: Francis, David, Joshua,
Robert, William, John, Peter & Mary AND BROTHERS THOMAS AND JOSHUA
WYNNE. to me, this proves Robert's marriage to Mary. Now, I must
determine exactly when Francis Poythress died to ascertain as to whether
Thomas and Joshua Wynne could have been children of Robert and Mary
Wynne. "Everyone says "Francis died before 1657 but I think this has
been a speculation based on Thomas Wynne's, son of Col. Robert Wynne,
birth date.
Please give me your thoughts. Deloris Wynne-Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Deloris....What an incisive point!
I had at one time or other mused casually at how infrequently the name
Joseph appeared. Until this instance I don't know that I had cause to
pursue the point. This would likely not pass muster in a real statistics
class but I used the Weisiger 1733-1792 PG Records book and counted the
number of Josephs in the index.
A total of 27 individuals had the given name and that's across 60 years
of records for hundreds of families and thousands of individuals. I'd be
inclined to call that an astonishing "infrequency" given the prevalence
of the name in later years.
To be sure, thousands of people were NOT in the "sample" counted but
there is no reason I can think of to say the proportion of Josephs in
the general population was any more or less than the population showing
in legal records used.
I too have encountered the "Jos." Abbreviation and found, at least in
the case of pre-1800 Poythresses, that it invariably stood for Joshua.
My call would be that we treat "Joseph" Poythress as something of a
Poythress doppelganger until he "proves" his identity. Having said that
I fully expect a dozen of them to come out of the woodwork in the next
week.
Many, many thanks for your comments.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
John, I have been looking at your messages re Joshua Poythress because
of the relationship to my Wynne family. This is just my opinion, after
viewing numerous original documents,printed transcriptions, etc. In my
Wynne family, there are one or two who try to translate the abbreviation
Jos. Into "Joseph" when in reality, Jos. Was an abbreviation for
"Joshua". I don't believe "Joseph" was truly a name used by the early
English immigrants, but, of course, I could be wrong. I have
corresponded with one or two "researchers" who try to believe that
Joshua Wynne had a son named Joshua and one named Joseph. Not so.
Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Mary Jean.....Duh....why didn't I think to look in the index of 1733-92
Records. I think this matter got started a few years back when there
was an obvious error (maybe not so obvious now) in the deed wherein
Elizabeth Duke sold her part of Flowerdew Hundred to Joshua and it got
recorded as Joseph.
That one seemed to throw suspicion on a Joseph that (if he did exist),
he certainly didn't deserve.
My thinking has been all along that just because to "not have" a Joseph
would be a matter of convenience we shouldn't jump on it as fact; and
I've labeled it a shaky proposition all along.
It strikes me that whether Weisiger transcribed off the original page or
microfilm is irrelevant because the second is only a photograph of the
first...and as long as the page numbers are in order with none missing
the two should be identical. HOWEVER, as we saw in the "Orders" example
it was just not so.
IN this instance, despite Weisiger's seemingly "positive" transcription,
I transcribed the same set of documents (handwritten) off of microfilm
and came up with the following:
Taking that index (Weisiger's "PG Records 1733-92" but in this instance
all we are talking about is the DB 1787-92)here is the comparison:
1. p. 82....I have it a John and a Joshua, Weisiger calls it a Joshua
and Joseph.
2. p. 95...(Elizabeth's will) I have "Jos." and my habit is to never
abbreviate (on my own) when making a transcription of a name; I'd say
the original abbreviated either Joseph or Joshua. Weisiger calls it
Joseph; but I'd have to say it's unlikely Weisiger would just
"extrapolate" a full name out of an abbreviation. Weisiger does a
little too much abstracting for my taste but he is NOT a sloppy
transcriber.
3) p. 115 (estate of Sturdivant)....I don't have this one AT ALL in my
transcription. Given that there are a million names on that document
it's possible I just overlooked that document entirely as I scanned the
microfilm. What is all the more possible(actually positive) is that
Weisiger wouldn't have just made the thing up out of the whole cloth...
And BTW, I have all of the other runs of PG documents that you list. As
far as my search goes, there is no Joseph on any of them albeit the
stuff we do have is only a fraction of the orginal PG records.
So, I guess I'm gonna say it's likely there was a Joseph and he was
likely obscure (or at least he didn't show up at the courthouse very
much ). But I'm not going to be surprised however it works out.
Thanks for your comments; it sharpened the focus for us.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger
covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua -
1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the
witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12,
1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the
Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his
records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was
mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and
from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had
been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for
that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the
availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index,
pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360 Deed
Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737-
1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince
George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous
wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger,
Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
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10/08/2004 1:26:30
Re: PG DB 1787-92
In a message dated 10/07/2004 5:40:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Poythress doppelganger
Now Maynard that is a new one and this in indeed a very special
family.
Agree with your comments as I too checked the Joseph's but in this case in
the Bristol Parish Register and there were quite a few but clearly in the lower
percentages of names. Earliest I found was a Joseph b. 1726 with a father
also named Joseph so the name was definitely around. But, the Jos. abbrev.
is indeed a "dobbelganger"...
Mary Jean
10/08/2004 2:06:09
Here he is folks
John M. Poythress
13 Nov 1778 (Virginia Gazette)
"To be LET to the highest bidder, for one year, on Saturday the 28th
instant
(November)...the much frequented FERRY and ORDINARY on James
river known by the name of WILKINS with 138 acres of good land belonging
thereto. Bond, with approved Security, will be expected of the bidder
who rents it.
GEORGE NOBLE
JOSEPH POYTHRESS
(Virginia Gazette, 13 Nov 1778)
...and it's spelled out. This is not the particular Joseph at
issue..but it is A Joseph.
Maynard
10/08/2004 12:37:52
RE: PG DB 1787-92
John M. Poythress
Deloris....I'm headed to NC mountains until end of next week. Great
questions. I'll get back to you. Best,
JMP
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:27 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
John, do you think it at all possible that even one individual whose
name was "Joshua" would choose to call himself "Joseph"? Or is that too
far fetched?
Since you are an experienced Poythress researcher, what do you think
about the information compiled by me, listed below and is it entirely
accurate as far as you know?
POYTHRESS/WYNNE
1658 Aug. 3. Several dif. Between JOHN SLOWMAN, gent., plt and
Capt. JOHN EPES, Mr. FRANCIS EPES and Mr. THOS. EPES Defts. To next
court.
10 br:3: 1658. Capt. JO. WOODLEIFE and Mr. GEO. POTTER
app. To examine dif. Between Capt. ROBT. WYNNE for the estate of Mr.
JOHN SLOWMAN decide and Mr. FRANCIS EPES and Mr. THO. EPES and report to
next court.
Now, obviously, Capt. Robert Wynne had a definite
interest in John Slowman's estate-was it because of his wife? Could we
speculate that in 1658 Capt. Robert Wynne was married to Mary "Slowman".
If so, Mary would be mother of Thomas and Joshua. Thomas Wynne and
Agnes Stith named their first born "Sloman"
It is claimed that Robert Wynne married Mary, widow of Francis
Poythress. I believe this to be true; however, I disagree as to the
date. I do not believe that Robert, Thomas & Joshua were sons of Robert
and Mary.
I found the following in Family Tree Maker submitted by Sandra J.
MacDonald. Please note that I do not always put my entire trust in all
data submitted but do take it seriously until proven differently.
"Francis Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress* and Peachy) was born Abt.
1614 in London Middlesex England, and died 1661 in Charles City, VA. He
married Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown Va. Francis
Poythress: Burial, 1661. Francis Poythress and Mary Frances Solomon:
Marriage about 1629, Jamestown, VA. Children of Francis Poythress and
Mary Frances Solomon are: 1.Jane Poythress b. bet.1630-34, Jamestown,
VA.
I think it is universally agreed that it was not "Solomon" but "Sloman",
if that indeed was her maiden name.
* Could this be the origin of the name "Joshua" in both the Wynne
family and the Poythress family?
1675 This is the year that Captain Robert Wynne of VA died. He only
reached the age of 53 years.
We know he left a wife named "Mary". Mary was mentioned as Colonel
Robert Wynne's executrix, 8 October 1675. (Min. of Council, p. 424).
Some have speculated that she was a "Sloman" (Mary Frances Sloman,
daughter of Robert Bolling and Anne Stith - only speculation.)
Evidence strongly suggests that Mary Wynne was the widow of Francis
Poythress and that Francis Poythress was the mother of (1) Francis
Poythress who married Christian Peebles and her granddaughter married
John Woodlief IV. (2) (Jane Poythress married Thomas Rolfe ca 1644, son
of Pochahontas (3) Thomas Poythress and (4) John Poythress.
Based on some Poythress records that I have seen , I am not sure the
above is accurate. According to Poythress doumention, Frances Poythress
m. Alice Poyton and their daughter, Jane Poythress married Thomas Rolfe,
the only son of Pocohantos and Thomas Wrofe/Rolfe.
We do wonder WHY the name "Sloman" is carried on down through Colonel
Robert Wynne's, son, Thomas' line. In the Thomas Wynne line it is quite
popular on down through the generations . Colonel Robert Wynne's son,
Joshua's son, Joshua II, also named one of his son's "Sloman".
Two men named John Sloman are among the 12 listed for Robert Wynne's
headrights. Was this father and son? I think this is of great importance
since, perhaps, Robert Wynne possibly married one of their daughters.
I believe it is generally accepted that Robert Wynne married Mary
Poythress after the death of her husband, Francis. It has never, to my
knowledge, been factually determined when Francis Poythress I died. The
only thing I have found relative to the question is when Edward Hill
deeded 50 acres in 1661, adjacent to the land whereon Robert Wynne now
resides, to John Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, deceased. Francis
could have died any number of years prior to this.
When Robert Wynne made his will in 1675, he had already been the father
of four children: Robert, deceased, Mary who already was a mother, thus
making Robert a grandfather (he mentioned his grandson in his will).
Thomas was born in 1657 and Joshua born in 1660 (dates based on their
own personal affidavits). He also mentioned his son-in-law, Francis
Poythress. "Everyone says" that son-in-law meant step-son. We know
Robert's daughter, Mary, was married to a Woodlief.
1712 11 Dec. 1712. The will of John Poythress, Sr. proven in Prince
George Co. mentions wife Christian and children: Francis, David, Joshua,
Robert, William, John, Peter & Mary AND BROTHERS THOMAS AND JOSHUA
WYNNE. to me, this proves Robert's marriage to Mary. Now, I must
determine exactly when Francis Poythress died to ascertain as to whether
Thomas and Joshua Wynne could have been children of Robert and Mary
Wynne. "Everyone says "Francis died before 1657 but I think this has
been a speculation based on Thomas Wynne's, son of Col. Robert Wynne,
birth date.
Please give me your thoughts. Deloris Wynne-Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Deloris....What an incisive point!
I had at one time or other mused casually at how infrequently the name
Joseph appeared. Until this instance I don't know that I had cause to
pursue the point. This would likely not pass muster in a real statistics
class but I used the Weisiger 1733-1792 PG Records book and counted the
number of Josephs in the index.
A total of 27 individuals had the given name and that's across 60 years
of records for hundreds of families and thousands of individuals. I'd be
inclined to call that an astonishing "infrequency" given the prevalence
of the name in later years.
To be sure, thousands of people were NOT in the "sample" counted but
there is no reason I can think of to say the proportion of Josephs in
the general population was any more or less than the population showing
in legal records used.
I too have encountered the "Jos." Abbreviation and found, at least in
the case of pre-1800 Poythresses, that it invariably stood for Joshua.
My call would be that we treat "Joseph" Poythress as something of a
Poythress doppelganger until he "proves" his identity. Having said that
I fully expect a dozen of them to come out of the woodwork in the next
week.
Many, many thanks for your comments.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
John, I have been looking at your messages re Joshua Poythress because
of the relationship to my Wynne family. This is just my opinion, after
viewing numerous original documents,printed transcriptions, etc. In my
Wynne family, there are one or two who try to translate the abbreviation
Jos. Into "Joseph" when in reality, Jos. Was an abbreviation for
"Joshua". I don't believe "Joseph" was truly a name used by the early
English immigrants, but, of course, I could be wrong. I have
corresponded with one or two "researchers" who try to believe that
Joshua Wynne had a son named Joshua and one named Joseph. Not so.
Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PG DB 1787-92
Mary Jean.....Duh....why didn't I think to look in the index of 1733-92
Records. I think this matter got started a few years back when there
was an obvious error (maybe not so obvious now) in the deed wherein
Elizabeth Duke sold her part of Flowerdew Hundred to Joshua and it got
recorded as Joseph.
That one seemed to throw suspicion on a Joseph that (if he did exist),
he certainly didn't deserve.
My thinking has been all along that just because to "not have" a Joseph
would be a matter of convenience we shouldn't jump on it as fact; and
I've labeled it a shaky proposition all along.
It strikes me that whether Weisiger transcribed off the original page or
microfilm is irrelevant because the second is only a photograph of the
first...and as long as the page numbers are in order with none missing
the two should be identical. HOWEVER, as we saw in the "Orders" example
it was just not so.
IN this instance, despite Weisiger's seemingly "positive" transcription,
I transcribed the same set of documents (handwritten) off of microfilm
and came up with the following:
Taking that index (Weisiger's "PG Records 1733-92" but in this instance
all we are talking about is the DB 1787-92)here is the comparison:
1. p. 82....I have it a John and a Joshua, Weisiger calls it a Joshua
and Joseph.
2. p. 95...(Elizabeth's will) I have "Jos." and my habit is to never
abbreviate (on my own) when making a transcription of a name; I'd say
the original abbreviated either Joseph or Joshua. Weisiger calls it
Joseph; but I'd have to say it's unlikely Weisiger would just
"extrapolate" a full name out of an abbreviation. Weisiger does a
little too much abstracting for my taste but he is NOT a sloppy
transcriber.
3) p. 115 (estate of Sturdivant)....I don't have this one AT ALL in my
transcription. Given that there are a million names on that document
it's possible I just overlooked that document entirely as I scanned the
microfilm. What is all the more possible(actually positive) is that
Weisiger wouldn't have just made the thing up out of the whole cloth...
And BTW, I have all of the other runs of PG documents that you list. As
far as my search goes, there is no Joseph on any of them albeit the
stuff we do have is only a fraction of the orginal PG records.
So, I guess I'm gonna say it's likely there was a Joseph and he was
likely obscure (or at least he didn't show up at the courthouse very
much ). But I'm not going to be surprised however it works out.
Thanks for your comments; it sharpened the focus for us.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: PG DB 1787-92
Maynard: Another preplexing question as we search through all these
abstracts and records. I have the Prince George book by Weisiger
covering 1733-1792
. If I look under Joseph indexing, (p. 82 (1787), 95 (1782 Joshua -
1788
wit is Joseph) and 115 (accts of Sturdivant it's Joseph).
P. 95 in his book: Will of Mary Poythress - lists executors Nicholas
Faulcon, Peter Poythress, Joshua Poythresss..will dated 1782 and the
witnessess
...Read, ...Cocke...Norton, JOSEPH POYTHRESS...Cocke. Recorded Feb. 12,
1788. Do
you believe that the Joshua Poythress listed as executor is also the
Joseph
Poythress who is witness(meaning error by transcriber clerk)?
I noted that his book did not identify where he obtained his
records...ie
microfilm or actual records from the court. Since no microfilm was
mentioned
one must assume he must have used the actual original court records. I
checked out the records available on microfilm from both the LVA and
from FHL and
was surprised to see that the records covering 1787-92 Deed books had
been
filmed at the LVA and were not at the FHL(only Weisger's book was for
that
period). He then could have used the microfilm and based on the
availability, you
both must have used the same film.
From the Library of Virginia - Microfilm records of Prince George Co:
Minute Book, 1737-1740 c (also includes Return of Executions), index,
pp.
87-400.
Orders [& Return of Executions], 1714 - 1720 c, p. 3-12, 15-360 Deed
Book, 1787 - 1792 c (Contains Wills) [xxxvii] index, 694 p.
From the Family History Center Library:
County Court order book 1714-1720, and County Court minute book 1737-
1740 /
Virginia. County Court (Prince George County)
County Court order book, 1811-1814 / Virginia. County Court (Prince
George
County)
Prince George County, Virginia records, 1733-1792 : abstracts of the
remaining county record books for the above period plus miscellaneous
wills /
Weisiger, Benjamin B. (Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
Prince George County, Virginia, miscellany 1711-1814 / Weisiger,
Benjamin B.
(Benjamin Boisseau) , 1924-
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10/09/2004 4:52:33
Peter Poythress
Teresa Willis
> Maynard or anyone that may know, what ever became of the Peter Poythress
that was a trader in 1720's? Do we know where he settled and any of his
descendants?
I was doing some native american research for my Lynch line and the
poythress name came up. Need a little info that I know I already have but
can't find right now. Since we moved I can't find anything.
Thank,
Teresa Willis
>
10/10/2004 5:52:00
Re: PG DB 1787-92
Diana Diamond
For what it is worth, I have found a fair number of men named Joseph in early Virginia, but the earliest are the Royalls, a family that married into the Epes family, the Banks-Isham family, the Worsham family, and the Kennon family, to mention a few.
Royall, Joseph I b: 1600 d: 1658 in ~Virginia
Royall, Joseph II b: 1646 in ~Virginia d: 1732
Royall, Joseph III b: 1682 in of Bermuda Hundred, Virginia d: MAR 1747/48 in Henrico County.
But honestly, when the subject first came up, I too thought there probably weren't many.
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Re: Peter Poythress
Crystal
Not to mention the connection of Anne Poythress who witnessed for Robert Hicks, the Capt of the Garrison of Fort Christanna and a possible wife of John Wall who received land in Brunswick for the "movement of the Saponi Nation to Fort Christanna.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor
Sent: Oct 15, 2004 5:45 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Peter Poythress
Maynard,
I think you have hit it on the head. Francis and Peter Poythress must be
John Poythress'(2) sons...and both were involved in trading with the
Indians..............Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Peter Poythress
> As always, Teresa, a lot of opinion and not many facts:
>
> I have always figured that Peter Poythress (Batte: "of Flowerdew H")in
> the third generation (Batte # 27)had to be the one who was the Indian
> trader. The only other possible candidate would be Peter's nephew Peter
> Poythress, son of Robert (said Robert being a brother of Peter)but he's
> born too late (1715) to be a candidate for all of the below:
>
> Wm Byrd (Secret Diaries of William Byrd of Westover) says
>
> 4 Mch 1712 (p. 495)
> "..I rose about 7 o'clock and read some Hebrew but no Greek because I
> prepared to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne B-k-r..we set out in the
> coach and got to Colonel Hill's before 12 o'clock. We did not find much
> company there but only the relations and some neighbors. About 12
> o'clock Mr. Poythress and Mrs. Anne B-k-r were married and about 2 we
> went to dinner and I ate some boiled tongue for dinner."
>
> Footnote (by editors) : "Probably Peter Poythress. In Wm. Q., XV,
> 45-71, there is a detailed study of the Poythress family. The name of
> Peter's wife is unknown. But he had an only daughter and heir named
> Anne born December 13, 1712."
>
> Since Wm Byrd (in other diary entries) refers to Peter Poythress in
> several instances with reference to Indian affairs, I make Mr. Byrd's
> Peter to be the one who was the Indian trader/negotiator/etc. If it is
> as I think and this is the same Peter Poythress, then he would have
> married Anne "B-k-r" (probably Baker..just a guess).
>
> And again if it's the same man, his only daughter Anne would m. Richard
> Bland. I suppose one has to be inclined to accept young Anne's birth
> date of 13 Dec 1712 (Wm&M Qtrly) as being more slightly more likely (if
> Peter m. on Byrd's date of 4 Mar 1712) than the dates Batte gives to
> her, "1721-1758."
>
> The speculations above relate to his likely descendants; I have seen no
> record of his birth.
>
> I also make it probable that this Peter is the same man in:
>
> 12 Jul 1715
> On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond for the
> care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton
> dced be delivered to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to
> the said orphans. (PG Orders 1714-20, p. 25 and/or 26)
>
> If this is the case, the Francis involved is likely a brother to Peter
> and Francis is the unnamed oldest brother of Peter who doesn't get named
> by Batte (who didn't have the will) as the first son of John Poythres m.
> Christian Peebles.
>
> Sorry for delay in answering. I just returned to town from since
> Monday. Hope this helps.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Peter Poythress
>
>
> > Maynard or anyone that may know, what ever became of the Peter
> Poythress
> that was a trader in 1720's? Do we know where he settled and any of his
> descendants?
> I was doing some native american research for my Lynch line and the
> poythress name came up. Need a little info that I know I already have
> but
> can't find right now. Since we moved I can't find anything.
> Thank,
> Teresa Willis
> >
>
>
>
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RE: Peter Poythress
John M. Poythress
As always, Teresa, a lot of opinion and not many facts:
I have always figured that Peter Poythress (Batte: "of Flowerdew H")in
the third generation (Batte # 27)had to be the one who was the Indian
trader. The only other possible candidate would be Peter's nephew Peter
Poythress, son of Robert (said Robert being a brother of Peter)but he's
born too late (1715) to be a candidate for all of the below:
Wm Byrd (Secret Diaries of William Byrd of Westover) says
4 Mch 1712 (p. 495)
"..I rose about 7 o'clock and read some Hebrew but no Greek because I
prepared to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne B-k-r..we set out in the
coach and got to Colonel Hill's before 12 o'clock. We did not find much
company there but only the relations and some neighbors. About 12
o'clock Mr. Poythress and Mrs. Anne B-k-r were married and about 2 we
went to dinner and I ate some boiled tongue for dinner."
Footnote (by editors) : "Probably Peter Poythress. In Wm. Q., XV,
45-71, there is a detailed study of the Poythress family. The name of
Peter's wife is unknown. But he had an only daughter and heir named
Anne born December 13, 1712."
Since Wm Byrd (in other diary entries) refers to Peter Poythress in
several instances with reference to Indian affairs, I make Mr. Byrd's
Peter to be the one who was the Indian trader/negotiator/etc. If it is
as I think and this is the same Peter Poythress, then he would have
married Anne "B-k-r" (probably Baker..just a guess).
And again if it's the same man, his only daughter Anne would m. Richard
Bland. I suppose one has to be inclined to accept young Anne's birth
date of 13 Dec 1712 (Wm&M Qtrly) as being more slightly more likely (if
Peter m. on Byrd's date of 4 Mar 1712) than the dates Batte gives to
her, "1721-1758."
The speculations above relate to his likely descendants; I have seen no
record of his birth.
I also make it probable that this Peter is the same man in:
12 Jul 1715
On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond for the
care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton
dced be delivered to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to
the said orphans. (PG Orders 1714-20, p. 25 and/or 26)
If this is the case, the Francis involved is likely a brother to Peter
and Francis is the unnamed oldest brother of Peter who doesn't get named
by Batte (who didn't have the will) as the first son of John Poythres m.
Christian Peebles.
Sorry for delay in answering. I just returned to town from since
Monday. Hope this helps.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:52 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Peter Poythress
> Maynard or anyone that may know, what ever became of the Peter
Poythress
that was a trader in 1720's? Do we know where he settled and any of his
descendants?
I was doing some native american research for my Lynch line and the
poythress name came up. Need a little info that I know I already have
but
can't find right now. Since we moved I can't find anything.
Thank,
Teresa Willis
>
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Re: Peter Poythress
Michael Tutor
Maynard,
I think you have hit it on the head. Francis and Peter Poythress must be
John Poythress'(2) sons...and both were involved in trading with the
Indians..............Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Peter Poythress
> As always, Teresa, a lot of opinion and not many facts:
>
> I have always figured that Peter Poythress (Batte: "of Flowerdew H")in
> the third generation (Batte # 27)had to be the one who was the Indian
> trader. The only other possible candidate would be Peter's nephew Peter
> Poythress, son of Robert (said Robert being a brother of Peter)but he's
> born too late (1715) to be a candidate for all of the below:
>
> Wm Byrd (Secret Diaries of William Byrd of Westover) says
>
> 4 Mch 1712 (p. 495)
> "..I rose about 7 o'clock and read some Hebrew but no Greek because I
> prepared to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne B-k-r..we set out in the
> coach and got to Colonel Hill's before 12 o'clock. We did not find much
> company there but only the relations and some neighbors. About 12
> o'clock Mr. Poythress and Mrs. Anne B-k-r were married and about 2 we
> went to dinner and I ate some boiled tongue for dinner."
>
> Footnote (by editors) : "Probably Peter Poythress. In Wm. Q., XV,
> 45-71, there is a detailed study of the Poythress family. The name of
> Peter's wife is unknown. But he had an only daughter and heir named
> Anne born December 13, 1712."
>
> Since Wm Byrd (in other diary entries) refers to Peter Poythress in
> several instances with reference to Indian affairs, I make Mr. Byrd's
> Peter to be the one who was the Indian trader/negotiator/etc. If it is
> as I think and this is the same Peter Poythress, then he would have
> married Anne "B-k-r" (probably Baker..just a guess).
>
> And again if it's the same man, his only daughter Anne would m. Richard
> Bland. I suppose one has to be inclined to accept young Anne's birth
> date of 13 Dec 1712 (Wm&M Qtrly) as being more slightly more likely (if
> Peter m. on Byrd's date of 4 Mar 1712) than the dates Batte gives to
> her, "1721-1758."
>
> The speculations above relate to his likely descendants; I have seen no
> record of his birth.
>
> I also make it probable that this Peter is the same man in:
>
> 12 Jul 1715
> On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond for the
> care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton
> dced be delivered to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to
> the said orphans. (PG Orders 1714-20, p. 25 and/or 26)
>
> If this is the case, the Francis involved is likely a brother to Peter
> and Francis is the unnamed oldest brother of Peter who doesn't get named
> by Batte (who didn't have the will) as the first son of John Poythres m.
> Christian Peebles.
>
> Sorry for delay in answering. I just returned to town from since
> Monday. Hope this helps.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Peter Poythress
>
>
> > Maynard or anyone that may know, what ever became of the Peter
> Poythress
> that was a trader in 1720's? Do we know where he settled and any of his
> descendants?
> I was doing some native american research for my Lynch line and the
> poythress name came up. Need a little info that I know I already have
> but
> can't find right now. Since we moved I can't find anything.
> Thank,
> Teresa Willis
> >
>
>
>
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10/15/2004 11:45:31
Re: Peter Poythress
Teresa Willis
Thanks a lot guys, I'll probably be back with other questions, once I mull
this over.
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: Peter Poythress
> As always, Teresa, a lot of opinion and not many facts:
>
> I have always figured that Peter Poythress (Batte: "of Flowerdew H")in
> the third generation (Batte # 27)had to be the one who was the Indian
> trader. The only other possible candidate would be Peter's nephew Peter
> Poythress, son of Robert (said Robert being a brother of Peter)but he's
> born too late (1715) to be a candidate for all of the below:
>
> Wm Byrd (Secret Diaries of William Byrd of Westover) says
>
> 4 Mch 1712 (p. 495)
> "..I rose about 7 o'clock and read some Hebrew but no Greek because I
> prepared to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne B-k-r..we set out in the
> coach and got to Colonel Hill's before 12 o'clock. We did not find much
> company there but only the relations and some neighbors. About 12
> o'clock Mr. Poythress and Mrs. Anne B-k-r were married and about 2 we
> went to dinner and I ate some boiled tongue for dinner."
>
> Footnote (by editors) : "Probably Peter Poythress. In Wm. Q., XV,
> 45-71, there is a detailed study of the Poythress family. The name of
> Peter's wife is unknown. But he had an only daughter and heir named
> Anne born December 13, 1712."
>
> Since Wm Byrd (in other diary entries) refers to Peter Poythress in
> several instances with reference to Indian affairs, I make Mr. Byrd's
> Peter to be the one who was the Indian trader/negotiator/etc. If it is
> as I think and this is the same Peter Poythress, then he would have
> married Anne "B-k-r" (probably Baker..just a guess).
>
> And again if it's the same man, his only daughter Anne would m. Richard
> Bland. I suppose one has to be inclined to accept young Anne's birth
> date of 13 Dec 1712 (Wm&M Qtrly) as being more slightly more likely (if
> Peter m. on Byrd's date of 4 Mar 1712) than the dates Batte gives to
> her, "1721-1758."
>
> The speculations above relate to his likely descendants; I have seen no
> record of his birth.
>
> I also make it probable that this Peter is the same man in:
>
> 12 Jul 1715
> On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond for the
> care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton
> dced be delivered to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to
> the said orphans. (PG Orders 1714-20, p. 25 and/or 26)
>
> If this is the case, the Francis involved is likely a brother to Peter
> and Francis is the unnamed oldest brother of Peter who doesn't get named
> by Batte (who didn't have the will) as the first son of John Poythres m.
> Christian Peebles.
>
> Sorry for delay in answering. I just returned to town from since
> Monday. Hope this helps.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:52 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Peter Poythress
>
>
> > Maynard or anyone that may know, what ever became of the Peter
> Poythress
> that was a trader in 1720's? Do we know where he settled and any of his
> descendants?
> I was doing some native american research for my Lynch line and the
> poythress name came up. Need a little info that I know I already have
> but
> can't find right now. Since we moved I can't find anything.
> Thank,
> Teresa Willis
> >
>
>
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10/16/2004 1:39:17
Rev War Pension Applications
John M. Poythress
Great for us:
HeritageQuest Online Adds Revolutionary War Pensions
The Library of Virginia already has some selected ones on line but not
all
of them.
Most of us can access HeritageQuest through our local public library.
The article above is in this week's edition of Eastman's free genealogy
newsletter at : http://eogn.typepad.com/ (it's the last article so
scroll a
while).
Maynard
11/29/2004 1:45:39
Ahhhh....yesss
John M. Poythress
As our beloved W. C. Fields was wont to say: Ahhh, yess, there's an
Ethopian in the fuel supply:
Ancestry Research Exposes Hanky-Panky
An article in the Johannesburg Sunday Times illustrates just how
accurate DNA research can be when applied to genealogy. The island of
Tristan da Cunha lies some 2800 km off the African coast. The
inhabitants of the island share only seven surnames, and each of these
can be traced to the original male founders. The island, which boasts
rich and detailed historical and genealogical records, has a population
of just 300, believed to have descended from 15 ancestors - seven men
and eight women who arrived on the island between 1816 and 1908.
The island's founders all originated from Scotland, England, Holland,
the US, and Italy. At least, that is what the genealogy records claim.
However, DNA analysis of many of the island's records indicates that one
more, previously undocumented male ancestor came from Eastern Europe.
Researchers behind the study stumbled upon the existence of a "traveling
stranger's" DNA while tracing the island's DNA and genealogy records.
The undocumented appearance of an unknown DNA is euphemistically
referred to as a "non paternity event" by DNA researchers.
The genetic study conducted by Professor Himla Soodyall and colleagues
at the National Health Laboratory Service, in conjunction with the
University of the Witwatersrand and the South African Medical Research
Council, was conducted to test the accuracy of the island's ancestry.
Professor Soodyall stated, "Our genetic material is inherited from our
parents, and their parents before, and so on. By examining transmission
of genes in living people, we can study the genetic trails of our
ancestors back to about 100,000 to 150,000 years ago."
You can read more about this story at
http://allafrica.com/stories/200412060710.html
12/13/2004 1:04:25
Re: Ahhhh....yesss
Michael Tutor
I've read several books on DNA studies as it relates to different areas of
the world. Fascinating stuff!...Can't wait for further research........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Ahhhh....yesss
> As our beloved W. C. Fields was wont to say: Ahhh, yess, there's an
> Ethopian in the fuel supply:
> Ancestry Research Exposes Hanky-Panky
> An article in the Johannesburg Sunday Times illustrates just how
> accurate DNA research can be when applied to genealogy. The island of
> Tristan da Cunha lies some 2800 km off the African coast. The
> inhabitants of the island share only seven surnames, and each of these
> can be traced to the original male founders. The island, which boasts
> rich and detailed historical and genealogical records, has a population
> of just 300, believed to have descended from 15 ancestors - seven men
> and eight women who arrived on the island between 1816 and 1908.
> The island's founders all originated from Scotland, England, Holland,
> the US, and Italy. At least, that is what the genealogy records claim.
> However, DNA analysis of many of the island's records indicates that one
> more, previously undocumented male ancestor came from Eastern Europe.
> Researchers behind the study stumbled upon the existence of a "traveling
> stranger's" DNA while tracing the island's DNA and genealogy records.
> The undocumented appearance of an unknown DNA is euphemistically
> referred to as a "non paternity event" by DNA researchers.
> The genetic study conducted by Professor Himla Soodyall and colleagues
> at the National Health Laboratory Service, in conjunction with the
> University of the Witwatersrand and the South African Medical Research
> Council, was conducted to test the accuracy of the island's ancestry.
> Professor Soodyall stated, "Our genetic material is inherited from our
> parents, and their parents before, and so on. By examining transmission
> of genes in living people, we can study the genetic trails of our
> ancestors back to about 100,000 to 150,000 years ago."
> You can read more about this story at
> http://allafrica.com/stories/200412060710.html
>
>
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12/13/2004 2:52:31
Plats for Henrico County
John M. Poythress
Wow! I had no idea anyone was close to doing an entire county. Would
sure be gangbusters if some angel would
do Prince George!
Well, the propaganda says "first of a series" so I'm hoping they'll get
around to PG while I'm still alive. I guess the good news is that most
of the grants were in those original counties so it's not like somebody
has to do 100+ volumes.
And besides, I'm getting smarter (I hope)about grabbing every genealogy
publication that comes down the road. I became active in my local
library and talk them into buying the stuff. And actually, KY is a
fairly good spot for that
and since just about all the original Kentuckians came from VA there's a
reasonable demand for VA stuff.
I think I will write them and ask if PG is in the works.
Mary Jean, I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a happy 2005.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle DuLac [mailto:sdulac@uneedspeed.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 2:32 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: Henrico Platt Book
Yes - but the 2nd will be Henrico Vol II, the 3rd will be Northumberland
- Could do the Prince George 4th - but that will be a while - Takes
about 1 1/2 years per book. Thanks for your interest. Selena
At 10:45 AM 12/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Selena&..you say first in a series. Is Prince George County a prospect
for you?
Thanks,
John M. Poythress
12/23/2004 8:35:54
Re: FW: Henrico Platt Book
Thanks for contacting her and getting us the real scoop on her future plans
PLUS putting in the plug for Prince George.
Surely you must be snowed in....my Kentucky children got 14 inches....
Mary Jean
12/23/2004 9:30:09
Re: Plats for Henrico County
Wow is right Maynard. Are you going to order it? Would be nice if they
published on line the index.
Merry Christmas to you and all.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 12/22/2004 9:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
Wow! I had no idea anyone was close to doing an entire county. Would
sure be gangbusters if some angel would
do Prince George!
And would someone remind me again why we accepted Portis as a variant?
It's driving me nuts trying to make the link.
Maynard
12/24/2004 5:31:10
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V04 #134
This is the first Poythress digest I've rec'vd in many, many weeks. Have I
been missing them, or have there been none sent? Mysteries....
thanks
12/26/2004 11:50:11
Clifford-Poyntz DNA Study & Poythress surname
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Bill (with a copy to the Poythress-List),
Thanks for your clarification (copied below) of your having the
Poythress surname listed for your Clifford DNA Study at the FTDNA
website, which is trying to establish the Clifford link to the Poyntz
family.
Best of luck in your research,
Barbara Poythress Neal
1/8/2005 WMarq69070@aol.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I was thinking at the time I said that maybe they might be related to
the Poyntz family of which the Clifford & Poyntz family come from the
same tree. But after testing some of the Cliffords there was no hits to
your family so they must not be related at all.
Cheers Bill Marquis Plattsburgh,NY
>
>
1/7/2005 bp_neal@earthlink.net wrote:
Hi -
I am Barbara Poythress Neal, the Group Administrator of the Poythress
Surname Y-DNA Study. I just noticed that you included the Poythress
surname in your Clifford DNA Study, and figured perhaps we should touch
base with each other.
I'm also curious whether you've actually had any Poythress-surnamed
people participate in your study?
Happy New Year & best wishes in your research -
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net
01/08/2005 9:07:46
Re: Clifford-Poyntz DNA Study & Poythress surname
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Bill. Neat story about the Pons name & about the castle in
Wales. Yes, I, too assume there is no connection to Poythress. Our
Poythress ancestors were in the Gloucestershire, England area at least
in the late 1500s & in the 1600s; I'd have to dig a bit to find how much
earlier we know of them being there. My main focus is on trying to tie
together the various lines here in the states, and how they all relate
back to Francis Poythress, who came from England to Virginia in the
early 1630s.
Cheers, Barbara Neal
>
1/8/2005 WMarq69070@aol.com wrote:
The Clifford name before Clifford was Pons and the Poyntz name before
Poyntz was Pons so they are the exact same family.
Walter FitsPons FitsPons married Margaret DeToney and her dowry was a
Welsh castle on a Cliff overlooking a Ford and Walter became Walter
deClifford and
down thru the years it is now just Clifford.
But since there is no matches to your family I'm assuming there is no
connection
Cheers Bill Marquis
01/08/2005 9:43:30
More Wall info
If anyone on this list is interested in more information on the Wall family, my dad and I have made some more progress. You may remember the alleged connection between Wall and Poythress through Ann Poythress' marriage to a John Wall, who we think was connected to the Wall family in Walltown NC, a non-town town near Rockingham NC.
It seems Stephen Wall (b. 1791)took a real interest in his slaves. We have traced the illegitimate offspring to Illinois, where Orindatus S. B. Wall was involved in the Oberlin racial unrest just prior to the Civil War, which leads to John Mercer Langston, a minor historical character who returned to the South to be president of Virginia Normal and Collegiate Institute in 1885.
I have more detail, but (as it always seems) no really hard proof yet. if you're interested let me know at SteveW602@aol.com
Steve Wall
01/08/2005 12:31:04
RE: Clifford-Poyntz DNA Study & Poythress surname
John M. Poythress
Although the DNA connection "didn't work out" for Mr. Marquis and his
Clifford Welsh connection of Poyntz-Pons-FitsPons, the connection via
etymology, albiet not exactly a dead ringer, still remains.
The Poythress surname via "Poy" and "thr" has fairly obvious Cambrian
"syllable" roots. The "ap" surname prefix ("son of" same as "Mc" for the
Irish and "Mac" for the Scots) was customarily "modernized" by dropping
the "a" and making the "P" (and its sound)the first letter of the
modernized surname. The place name of Powys and the fairly common
Celtic "porth" are suggestive.
Also, the Newent-Dymock-Fownhope part of Gloucester is smack on the busy
Welsh sheep-drover route from Wales to London. Records of the time say
that five times as much stock was butchered in Newent ("Noent" in the
Domesday Book of 1086) as in Gloucester which was five times the size of
Newent. Suggested I suppose is the case for "how did they get there?"
On the other hand, Poitiers has a claim via the notion that a 12th
century Norman brought over his stonemasons and builders from Poitiers
to build the cathedral at Hereford and the origin place name became
personalized for the craftsmen in the Hereford area.
It's been a while since we flogged this one. Anyone have any new ideas?
I'm a tad inclined to option "A" although I'm not sure I'd make book on
it.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Clifford-Poyntz DNA Study & Poythress surname
Thanks, Bill. Neat story about the Pons name & about the castle in
Wales. Yes, I, too assume there is no connection to Poythress. Our
Poythress ancestors were in the Gloucestershire, England area at least
in the late 1500s & in the 1600s; I'd have to dig a bit to find how much
earlier we know of them being there. My main focus is on trying to tie
together the various lines here in the states, and how they all relate
back to Francis Poythress, who came from England to Virginia in the
early 1630s.
Cheers, Barbara Neal
>
1/8/2005 WMarq69070@aol.com wrote:
The Clifford name before Clifford was Pons and the Poyntz name before
Poyntz was Pons so they are the exact same family.
Walter FitsPons FitsPons married Margaret DeToney and her dowry was a
Welsh castle on a Cliff overlooking a Ford and Walter became Walter
deClifford and
down thru the years it is now just Clifford.
But since there is no matches to your family I'm assuming there is no
connection
Cheers Bill Marquis
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
01/09/2005 10:46:15
Lou?
Lou Poole, are you lurking out there? I tried your email address and got bounced......
Steve
01/10/2005 3:02:11
Mary Leigh Boisseau
John M. Poythress
Some of you may remember this kind lady who is/was a Poythress
descendent in Danville and communicated with
a number of us. I see in this month's issue of the Virginia
Genealogical Society newsletter that a Mary Jane Davis
made a contribution to the Virginia Records Fund in honor of Mary Leigh.
Maynard
01/20/2005 8:54:02
Re: Baptisms, etc.
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard. Bristol Parish, as I recall, covered Henrico, Prince
George, & Dinwiddie Counties in the 1700s era that Churchill Gibson
Chamberlayne covered. So perhaps in Weisiger's book(s) on the deeds or
other records of of Henrico &/or PG Co, he was also covering, in part,
items from the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish?
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
John M. Poythress wrote:
>>From the VA Southside board:
>
> "In England most C. of E. Christenings in England were held about a
> month after with child's birth, or within that month.
> For people with ancestors in Virginia in the 1700s, there is a clue
> in Benjamin Weisiger's invaluable "Vestry Book" of Bristol Parish in
> Prince George County, Virginia. That "Vestry Book" has many birthdates
> listed along with the date of christening. Among those is my ancestor,
> John Phillips, born in 1726 in Bristol Parish.
> In my view, that Bristol Parish "Vestry Book" may help with
> birthdates and also with identifying people who lived close to the
> parish church, or to a chapel, or after Bristol Parish started building
> chapels out in the county. Originally that parish was, I think, about 25
> miles wide and about 40 miles long.
> Most of the information in Weisiger's book concerns the 1700s."
>
> If this lady is correct, and from previous posts I judge her a solid
> citizen, there are a couple of interesting items we can pluck from this:
>
> First, the implication is that if Francis 1's baptism record was in
> July, 1609 it would now seem all the more probable that 1609 is indeed
> very likely his birth year. Henry VIII had only created the C of E in
> the preceding century but it's not likely this custom would have changed
> in the transition as it was never a point of controversy to begin with.
> The infant mortality rate was high and there was impetus to get a child
> baptized quickly.
>
> Second, with respect to Bristol Parish, we already have Chamberlayne's
> transcription of the vestry book and Rev. Slaughter's 1879 History of
> Bristol Parish so I was just a little surprised to learn that Mr.
> Weisiger wrote a book on the subject. Ben Weisiger was a serious player
> and not likely to write about something "already covered" so I'll get on
> HeritageQuest and try to track this one down. There may a nougat in
> there for us.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
01/30/2005 1:49:07
Baptisms, etc.
John M. Poythress
From the VA Southside board:
"In England most C. of E. Christenings in England were held about a
month after with child's birth, or within that month.
For people with ancestors in Virginia in the 1700s, there is a clue
in Benjamin Weisiger's invaluable "Vestry Book" of Bristol Parish in
Prince George County, Virginia. That "Vestry Book" has many birthdates
listed along with the date of christening. Among those is my ancestor,
John Phillips, born in 1726 in Bristol Parish.
In my view, that Bristol Parish "Vestry Book" may help with
birthdates and also with identifying people who lived close to the
parish church, or to a chapel, or after Bristol Parish started building
chapels out in the county. Originally that parish was, I think, about 25
miles wide and about 40 miles long.
Most of the information in Weisiger's book concerns the 1700s."
If this lady is correct, and from previous posts I judge her a solid
citizen, there are a couple of interesting items we can pluck from this:
First, the implication is that if Francis 1's baptism record was in
July, 1609 it would now seem all the more probable that 1609 is indeed
very likely his birth year. Henry VIII had only created the C of E in
the preceding century but it's not likely this custom would have changed
in the transition as it was never a point of controversy to begin with.
The infant mortality rate was high and there was impetus to get a child
baptized quickly.
Second, with respect to Bristol Parish, we already have Chamberlayne's
transcription of the vestry book and Rev. Slaughter's 1879 History of
Bristol Parish so I was just a little surprised to learn that Mr.
Weisiger wrote a book on the subject. Ben Weisiger was a serious player
and not likely to write about something "already covered" so I'll get on
HeritageQuest and try to track this one down. There may a nougat in
there for us.
Maynard
01/30/2005 2:52:01
RE: Baptisms, etc.
JLP
Agree with Barbara. For whatever it's worth, following is a listing
of the Weisiger books held by the genealogy section of the Dallas
Public Library (and I think we should have all of his output. Some of
these listings are multi-volumned. I would think from this listing
that Records #15 & 16 are most likely to be what Maynard is referring
to.
DPL Record 1: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Albemarle County, Virginia, court
papers, 1744-1783 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger
III. Richmond, Va. : B.B. Weisiger, c1987.
DPL Record 2: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Burned county data 1809-1848 : as
found in the Virginia contested election files / compiled by Benjamin
B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 3: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
court orders, 1687-1695 : with a fragment of a court order book for
the year 1680 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : Weisiger, c1980.
DPL Record 4: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia
records, 1737-1774 : with several 17th century fragments / abstracted
& compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B.
Weisiger, c1986.
DPL Record 5: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
wills & deeds, 1725-1731 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1984.
DPL Record 6: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
deeds / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, VA] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986-
DPL Record 7: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III.
[Richmond] : Weisiger, c1979-
DPL Record 8: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills, 1774-1802 / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 9: Weisiger, Benjamin B. City of Richmond, Virginia wills,
1782-1810 / abstracted by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. [Richmond, Va.] :
B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 10: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Colonial wills of Henrico
County, Virginia / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond] : Weisiger, c1976-
DPL Record 11: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Goochland County, Virginia,
wills and deeds, 1728-1736 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 12: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia deeds /
compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. Richmond, Va : B.B. Weisiger,
1985-
DPL Record 13: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia wills
addenda / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III.
[Richmond] : Weisiger, c1979.
DPL Record 14: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Marriage bonds and ministers'
returns of Chesterfield County, Virginia, 1816-1853 / compiled and
published by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B.
Weisiger, c1981.
DPL Record 15: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia :
miscellany 1711-1814 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger, III. [Richmond, Va.?] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986.
DPL Record 16: Weisiger, Benjamin B. PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY VIRGINIA
RECORDS 1733 1792 A BSTRACTS OF THE REMAINING COUNT RECORD BOOKS FOR
THE ABOVE PERIOD PLUS MISCELLANEOUS WILLS WEISIGER 1975C
DPL Record 17: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia
wills & deeds, 1710-1713 / compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, VA] : B.B. Weisiger, 1992.
DPL Record 18: Weisiger, Benjamin B.. Prince George County, Virginia,
wills and deeds, 1713-1728. Abstracted and indexed by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond?] 1973.
DPL Record 19: Weisiger, Benjamin B. York County, Virginia records /
abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, VA] :
B.B. Weisiger, 1987-
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:49 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Baptisms, etc.
Thanks, Maynard. Bristol Parish, as I recall, covered Henrico, Prince
George, & Dinwiddie Counties in the 1700s era that Churchill Gibson
Chamberlayne covered. So perhaps in Weisiger's book(s) on the deeds or
other records of of Henrico &/or PG Co, he was also covering, in part,
items from the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish?
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
John M. Poythress wrote:
>>From the VA Southside board:
>
> "In England most C. of E. Christenings in England were held about a
> month after with child's birth, or within that month.
> For people with ancestors in Virginia in the 1700s, there is a
> clue in Benjamin Weisiger's invaluable "Vestry Book" of Bristol
Parish
> in Prince George County, Virginia. That "Vestry Book" has many
> birthdates listed along with the date of christening. Among those is
> my ancestor, John Phillips, born in 1726 in Bristol Parish.
> In my view, that Bristol Parish "Vestry Book" may help with
> birthdates and also with identifying people who lived close to the
> parish church, or to a chapel, or after Bristol Parish started
> building chapels out in the county. Originally that parish was, I
> think, about 25 miles wide and about 40 miles long.
> Most of the information in Weisiger's book concerns the 1700s."
>
> If this lady is correct, and from previous posts I judge her a solid
> citizen, there are a couple of interesting items we can pluck from
> this:
>
> First, the implication is that if Francis 1's baptism record was in
> July, 1609 it would now seem all the more probable that 1609 is
indeed
> very likely his birth year. Henry VIII had only created the C of E
in
> the preceding century but it's not likely this custom would have
> changed in the transition as it was never a point of controversy to
> begin with. The infant mortality rate was high and there was impetus
> to get a child baptized quickly.
>
> Second, with respect to Bristol Parish, we already have
Chamberlayne's
> transcription of the vestry book and Rev. Slaughter's 1879 History
of
> Bristol Parish so I was just a little surprised to learn that Mr.
> Weisiger wrote a book on the subject. Ben Weisiger was a serious
> player and not likely to write about something "already covered" so
> I'll get on HeritageQuest and try to track this one down. There may
a
> nougat in there for us.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
01/30/2005 4:06:11
RE: Baptisms, etc.
Deloris Riley
As a serious Col. Robert Wynne and his two sons, Joshua and Thomas,
researcher, I follow with intense interest anything that might shed more
light on my Wynne family history, especially the Poythress family.
Question: "John M. Poythress wrote. . . "First, the implication is that
if Francis 1's baptism record was in July 1609 it would now seem all the
more probable that 1609 is indeed very likely his birth year. . ."
I am looking for any clue that would assist me in verifying that Robert
Wynne did, indeed, marry Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress I.
I have never been able to find any evidence of Francis'death date. I do
know that Robert Wynne was born in 1622 and if Francis Poythress I was
born in 1609, Francis would have been 13 years older than Robert and it
would not seem likely that, assuming Mary was approximately the same age
as Francis, she would be having children with Robert Wynne after
Francis' death. Please give me your thoughts. Deloris Wynne Riley.
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Baptisms, etc.
Agree with Barbara. For whatever it's worth, following is a listing of
the Weisiger books held by the genealogy section of the Dallas Public
Library (and I think we should have all of his output. Some of these
listings are multi-volumned. I would think from this listing that
Records #15 & 16 are most likely to be what Maynard is referring to.
DPL Record 1: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Albemarle County, Virginia, court
papers, 1744-1783 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
Richmond, Va. : B.B. Weisiger, c1987.
DPL Record 2: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Burned county data 1809-1848 : as
found in the Virginia contested election files / compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 3: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
court orders, 1687-1695 : with a fragment of a court order book for the
year 1680 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : Weisiger, c1980.
DPL Record 4: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia
records, 1737-1774 : with several 17th century fragments / abstracted &
compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger,
c1986.
DPL Record 5: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
wills & deeds, 1725-1731 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1984.
DPL Record 6: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
deeds / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond,
VA] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986-
DPL Record 7: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. [Richmond]
: Weisiger, c1979-
DPL Record 8: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills, 1774-1802 / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 9: Weisiger, Benjamin B. City of Richmond, Virginia wills,
1782-1810 / abstracted by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. [Richmond, Va.] :
B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 10: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Colonial wills of Henrico County,
Virginia / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond]
: Weisiger, c1976-
DPL Record 11: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Goochland County, Virginia, wills
and deeds, 1728-1736 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger
III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 12: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia deeds /
compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. Richmond, Va : B.B. Weisiger,
1985-
DPL Record 13: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia wills
addenda / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III.
[Richmond] : Weisiger, c1979.
DPL Record 14: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Marriage bonds and ministers'
returns of Chesterfield County, Virginia, 1816-1853 / compiled and
published by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger,
c1981.
DPL Record 15: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia :
miscellany 1711-1814 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger,
III. [Richmond, Va.?] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986.
DPL Record 16: Weisiger, Benjamin B. PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY VIRGINIA
RECORDS 1733 1792 A BSTRACTS OF THE REMAINING COUNT RECORD BOOKS FOR THE
ABOVE PERIOD PLUS MISCELLANEOUS WILLS WEISIGER 1975C
DPL Record 17: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia
wills & deeds, 1710-1713 / compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, VA] : B.B. Weisiger, 1992.
DPL Record 18: Weisiger, Benjamin B.. Prince George County, Virginia,
wills and deeds, 1713-1728. Abstracted and indexed by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond?] 1973.
DPL Record 19: Weisiger, Benjamin B. York County, Virginia records /
abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, VA] : B.B.
Weisiger, 1987-
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:49 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Baptisms, etc.
Thanks, Maynard. Bristol Parish, as I recall, covered Henrico, Prince
George, & Dinwiddie Counties in the 1700s era that Churchill Gibson
Chamberlayne covered. So perhaps in Weisiger's book(s) on the deeds or
other records of of Henrico &/or PG Co, he was also covering, in part,
items from the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish?
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
John M. Poythress wrote:
>>From the VA Southside board:
>
> "In England most C. of E. Christenings in England were held about a
> month after with child's birth, or within that month.
> For people with ancestors in Virginia in the 1700s, there is a
> clue in Benjamin Weisiger's invaluable "Vestry Book" of Bristol
Parish
> in Prince George County, Virginia. That "Vestry Book" has many
> birthdates listed along with the date of christening. Among those is
> my ancestor, John Phillips, born in 1726 in Bristol Parish.
> In my view, that Bristol Parish "Vestry Book" may help with
> birthdates and also with identifying people who lived close to the
> parish church, or to a chapel, or after Bristol Parish started
> building chapels out in the county. Originally that parish was, I
> think, about 25 miles wide and about 40 miles long.
> Most of the information in Weisiger's book concerns the 1700s."
>
> If this lady is correct, and from previous posts I judge her a solid
> citizen, there are a couple of interesting items we can pluck from
> this:
>
> First, the implication is that if Francis 1's baptism record was in
> July, 1609 it would now seem all the more probable that 1609 is
indeed
> very likely his birth year. Henry VIII had only created the C of E
in
> the preceding century but it's not likely this custom would have
> changed in the transition as it was never a point of controversy to
> begin with. The infant mortality rate was high and there was impetus
> to get a child baptized quickly.
>
> Second, with respect to Bristol Parish, we already have
Chamberlayne's
> transcription of the vestry book and Rev. Slaughter's 1879 History
of
> Bristol Parish so I was just a little surprised to learn that Mr.
> Weisiger wrote a book on the subject. Ben Weisiger was a serious
> player and not likely to write about something "already covered" so
> I'll get on HeritageQuest and try to track this one down. There may
a
> nougat in there for us.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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www.poythress.net
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01/30/2005 9:10:35
Re: Mary __________
Randy Jones
The other piece of "evidence" not mentioned here was presented by Billy Jean Gilmore to this forum in 2002: that there was a lawsuit (it would be great to get a copy of this) between Francis Poythress and William Epes, involving the inheritance of William's sister Katherine. The only explanation of a relationship between the Poythresses and the Epeses involves the Sloman famly. See the communication below.
-- Randy Jones
John Epes b. 1550 in Kent Co., England and his wife Thomasina Fisher had a daughter, Katherine bc 1579 that d. 1582. There was a second daughter named Katherine bc 1588. She md. 1st a cousin Peter Maplesden 18 Nov. 1606. He died bef. 1615 as at that time there was a lic. to marry dated 24 May 1615 in Ashford, Kent Co., Eng. for her and John Sloman. After Peter's death she md. a John Sloman of Kent Co., England. Katherine was a sister of the Francis Epes, the immigrant,who md. Marie Pawlett and thus the aunt of the Francis Epes who md. Elizabeth Littlebury. After the death of Francis Poythress his wife Mary ?Sloman md. Col. Robert Wynne. There followed a lawsuit in the rights of his wife Mary over her inheritance. The lawsuit was with Francis and William Epes. So it seems she was connected to the Epes family and probably the d/o John Sloman and Katherine Epes. John Sloman appears as a headright on a couple of trips to VA but all this needs more research. -- Billy Jean Gilmore,
POYTHRESS-L, 17 May 2002
"John M. Poythress" wrote:
Delores, I have also struggled with those dates for the widow Poythress
m. Col. Wynne and finally just gave up and accepted it as apparently
most have. Lou makes the points that I think one needs to somehow
rationalize this. First,
that men of the era tended to marry younger brides and second, that they
didn't seem to let widows of almost any age get away from a new husband
(as contradictory as these two points may appear).
As for Mary's maiden name, I must have asked that question about a
million times. It's all over gedcoms on the net as
Slowman or Sloman. A number of "votes" are for Peyton. A few say
Frances but I think that's a corruption of Francis in some way. I think
the hundreds of (undocumented) mentions of Sloman come about because all
those people trying to link to Pocahontas get that far, look at the
Poythress name in the gedcom and the first guy that said "Sloman" just
got copied a few dozen times and it snowballed.
The one person that seemed to make sense to me suggested that Sloman
showed up as a given name two times (I've only found one) in Col.
Wynne's descendents and the name had never appeared in either the
Poythress or the Wynne families previously.
The suggestor continued in the vein that certainly that the notion was a
very thin reed to lean upon and he or she wouldn't make book on
it....which I thought was a fair way to just leave it until someone
comes out of the woodwork with a citation.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE:
Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
have searched and searched for something that would give us an
approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
died in 1712.
Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
"educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
now occupied by Capt. Robt.
Wynne...................................................................
.Mike Tutor
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RE: Baptisms, etc.
JLP
Deloris, I refuse to wade into the Poythress-Wynne debate, but I will
attempt to refute ("ain't necessarily so") your assumptions.
First, you are assuming that Francis' widow was approximately the same
age as Francis. That, to me, would be a very big, and potentially
fatal, assumption. Among the higher classes, it was very common for
an older man to marry a young woman. (We don't like to think of such
things about our ancestors, but in those days, and particularly among
the upper classes, marriages were less of a "love match" and more of a
"business arrangement" among families.) Mary, accordingly, MIGHT have
been considerably younger than Francis.
Second, unmarried women (including widows) in the early colonies were
very much a "premium commodity," and a wealthy widow was a premium
prize, indeed. It is not inconceivable at all, and in fact I can
point you to several documented cases, where a younger man married an
older widow - again, this was principally a phenomenon among the upper
classes (or those striving to be of that class).
So, bottom line, I don't think there's enough data - and the social
customs don't support your case either - to reach the tentative
conclusions you've offered. The debate will continue as long as there
is this much ambiguity in the records...
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:11 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Baptisms, etc.
As a serious Col. Robert Wynne and his two sons, Joshua and Thomas,
researcher, I follow with intense interest anything that might shed
more light on my Wynne family history, especially the Poythress
family.
Question: "John M. Poythress wrote. . . "First, the implication is
that if Francis 1's baptism record was in July 1609 it would now seem
all the more probable that 1609 is indeed very likely his birth year.
. ." I am looking for any clue that would assist me in verifying that
Robert Wynne did, indeed, marry Mary Poythress, widow of Francis
Poythress I. I have never been able to find any evidence of
Francis'death date. I do know that Robert Wynne was born in 1622 and
if Francis Poythress I was born in 1609, Francis would have been 13
years older than Robert and it would not seem likely that, assuming
Mary was approximately the same age as Francis, she would be having
children with Robert Wynne after Francis' death. Please give me your
thoughts. Deloris Wynne Riley.
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Baptisms, etc.
Agree with Barbara. For whatever it's worth, following is a listing
of the Weisiger books held by the genealogy section of the Dallas
Public Library (and I think we should have all of his output. Some of
these listings are multi-volumned. I would think from this listing
that Records #15 & 16 are most likely to be what Maynard is referring
to.
DPL Record 1: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Albemarle County, Virginia, court
papers, 1744-1783 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger
III. Richmond, Va. : B.B. Weisiger, c1987.
DPL Record 2: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Burned county data 1809-1848 : as
found in the Virginia contested election files / compiled by Benjamin
B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 3: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
court orders, 1687-1695 : with a fragment of a court order book for
the year 1680 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : Weisiger, c1980.
DPL Record 4: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia
records, 1737-1774 : with several 17th century fragments / abstracted
& compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B.
Weisiger, c1986.
DPL Record 5: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Charles City County, Virginia,
wills & deeds, 1725-1731 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1984.
DPL Record 6: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
deeds / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, VA] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986-
DPL Record 7: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III.
[Richmond]
: Weisiger, c1979-
DPL Record 8: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Chesterfield County, Virginia,
wills, 1774-1802 / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, 1986.
DPL Record 9: Weisiger, Benjamin B. City of Richmond, Virginia wills,
1782-1810 / abstracted by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. [Richmond, Va.] :
B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 10: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Colonial wills of Henrico
County, Virginia / abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond]
: Weisiger, c1976-
DPL Record 11: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Goochland County, Virginia,
wills and deeds, 1728-1736 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B. Weisiger, c1983.
DPL Record 12: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia deeds /
compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III. Richmond, Va : B.B. Weisiger,
1985-
DPL Record 13: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Henrico County, Virginia wills
addenda / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III.
[Richmond] : Weisiger, c1979.
DPL Record 14: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Marriage bonds and ministers'
returns of Chesterfield County, Virginia, 1816-1853 / compiled and
published by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, Va.] : B.B.
Weisiger, c1981.
DPL Record 15: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia :
miscellany 1711-1814 / abstracted and compiled by Benjamin B.
Weisiger, III. [Richmond, Va.?] : B.B. Weisiger, c1986.
DPL Record 16: Weisiger, Benjamin B. PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY VIRGINIA
RECORDS 1733 1792 A BSTRACTS OF THE REMAINING COUNT RECORD BOOKS FOR
THE ABOVE PERIOD PLUS MISCELLANEOUS WILLS WEISIGER 1975C
DPL Record 17: Weisiger, Benjamin B. Prince George County, Virginia
wills & deeds, 1710-1713 / compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III.
[Richmond, VA] : B.B. Weisiger, 1992.
DPL Record 18: Weisiger, Benjamin B.. Prince George County, Virginia,
wills and deeds, 1713-1728. Abstracted and indexed by Benjamin B.
Weisiger III. [Richmond?] 1973.
DPL Record 19: Weisiger, Benjamin B. York County, Virginia records /
abstracted & compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger III. [Richmond, VA] :
B.B. Weisiger, 1987-
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:49 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Baptisms, etc.
Thanks, Maynard. Bristol Parish, as I recall, covered Henrico, Prince
George, & Dinwiddie Counties in the 1700s era that Churchill Gibson
Chamberlayne covered. So perhaps in Weisiger's book(s) on the deeds or
other records of of Henrico &/or PG Co, he was also covering, in part,
items from the Vestry Book of Bristol Parish?
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
John M. Poythress wrote:
>>From the VA Southside board:
>
> "In England most C. of E. Christenings in England were held about a
> month after with child's birth, or within that month.
> For people with ancestors in Virginia in the 1700s, there is a
> clue in Benjamin Weisiger's invaluable "Vestry Book" of Bristol
Parish
> in Prince George County, Virginia. That "Vestry Book" has many
> birthdates listed along with the date of christening. Among those is
> my ancestor, John Phillips, born in 1726 in Bristol Parish.
> In my view, that Bristol Parish "Vestry Book" may help with
> birthdates and also with identifying people who lived close to the
> parish church, or to a chapel, or after Bristol Parish started
> building chapels out in the county. Originally that parish was, I
> think, about 25 miles wide and about 40 miles long.
> Most of the information in Weisiger's book concerns the 1700s."
>
> If this lady is correct, and from previous posts I judge her a solid
> citizen, there are a couple of interesting items we can pluck from
> this:
>
> First, the implication is that if Francis 1's baptism record was in
> July, 1609 it would now seem all the more probable that 1609 is
indeed
> very likely his birth year. Henry VIII had only created the C of E
in
> the preceding century but it's not likely this custom would have
> changed in the transition as it was never a point of controversy to
> begin with. The infant mortality rate was high and there was impetus
> to get a child baptized quickly.
>
> Second, with respect to Bristol Parish, we already have
Chamberlayne's
> transcription of the vestry book and Rev. Slaughter's 1879 History
of
> Bristol Parish so I was just a little surprised to learn that Mr.
> Weisiger wrote a book on the subject. Ben Weisiger was a serious
> player and not likely to write about something "already covered" so
> I'll get on HeritageQuest and try to track this one down. There may
a
> nougat in there for us.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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01/31/2005 2:25:42
Mary __________
John M. Poythress
Delores, I have also struggled with those dates for the widow Poythress
m. Col. Wynne and finally just gave up and accepted it as apparently
most have. Lou makes the points that I think one needs to somehow
rationalize this. First,
that men of the era tended to marry younger brides and second, that they
didn't seem to let widows of almost any age get away from a new husband
(as contradictory as these two points may appear).
As for Mary's maiden name, I must have asked that question about a
million times. It's all over gedcoms on the net as
Slowman or Sloman. A number of "votes" are for Peyton. A few say
Frances but I think that's a corruption of Francis in some way. I think
the hundreds of (undocumented) mentions of Sloman come about because all
those people trying to link to Pocahontas get that far, look at the
Poythress name in the gedcom and the first guy that said "Sloman" just
got copied a few dozen times and it snowballed.
The one person that seemed to make sense to me suggested that Sloman
showed up as a given name two times (I've only found one) in Col.
Wynne's descendents and the name had never appeared in either the
Poythress or the Wynne families previously.
The suggestor continued in the vein that certainly that the notion was a
very thin reed to lean upon and he or she wouldn't make book on
it....which I thought was a fair way to just leave it until someone
comes out of the woodwork with a citation.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE:
Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
have searched and searched for something that would give us an
approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
died in 1712.
Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
"educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
now occupied by Capt. Robt.
Wynne...................................................................
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01/31/2005 2:47:09
Re:
Michael Tutor
Deloris,
Joshua did not die until about 1740. His Will follows:
Prince George County, Order Book, 1737-1740, p. 400, Virginia State Archives
Acc. 23849, 1739. Will of Joshua Poythress, of Martins Brandon Parish,
Prince George County. Land I live on, bought from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke and
Capt. John Hardyman to my sons Joshua and William, to be equally divided.
All land on the Nottaway in Surry County likewise to be equally divided. To
grandaughter Harwood, £50. To son Littlebury 20 shillings, and other sons
are to keep him during his lifetime. All the rest of estate to be equally
divided between wife and five children: Joshua, William, Ann Poythress,
Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress. Brothers William and Robert
Poythress, and friends and relations Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress, and
John Woodlief to divide the estate. Executors: brother Robert and cozen
Thomas Poythress. Wit: Ann Bland, Christian Poythress, and Richard Bland.
Dated 17 January 1739/40, probated 8 April 1741.
I agree that Mary Wynne Woodlief was probably the oldest child and that she
was born about 1655. If you agree with this, then the marriage between
Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress would have been about 1654. This would
narrow Captain Francis Poythress' death down to about a two year period.
Robert Wynne would have been 31 which would not be an unusual age for a
first marriage. As you stated, a grandson of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
was named Sloman Wynne. In the following abstract, the names Wynne,
Woodlief and Sloman all appear at one time.
Att a Co'rt holden att mercht hope 10br: 3rd: 1658. p. 162. Capt. Jo:
Woodleife and Mr. Geo. Potter app. to examine dif betw. Capt. Robt. Wynne
for the est. of Mr. John Sloeman dec'd and Mr. ffrancis Epes and Mr. Tho:
Epes and report to next court.
Most likely, Captain Francis Poythress was married twice. He and his first
wife would have been the parents of Jane Poythress who supposedly married
Thomas Rolfe. I have seen at least one person suggest Alice Peyton as
Francis' first wife. In any event, Mary (Sloman) Poythress seems to have
been at least ten years younger than her husband.
As for the son-in-law and step-son business, you will also find cousin used
in place of nephew. Due to age differentials in multiple marriages and
subsequent children, the cousin/nephew business makes sense in that it
sounds ridiculous to call a younger person "uncle." As for
son-in-law/step-son, I have seen its usage in the early days immediately
following the settling of Jamestowne.......................Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: RE:
> Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
> query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
> item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
> that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
> Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
> have searched and searched for something that would give us an
> approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
> born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
> Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
> Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
> father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
> child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
> in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
> Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
> evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
> meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
> support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
> substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
> that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
> Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
> will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
> died in 1712.
> Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
> must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
> was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
> Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
> Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
> kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
> Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
> does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
> "educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
> Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:
>
>
> Deloris,
>
> In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
> states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
> at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
> John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
> Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
> abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
> Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
> his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
> the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
> Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
> assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
> which he died to four to five years.
>
> In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
> City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
> perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
> make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
>
> Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
> Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
> name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
> and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
> him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
> pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
> twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
> of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
> if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
> age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
> on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
> comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
> Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
> heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
> administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
> house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
> thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
> and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
> to descend as that doth.
>
> Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
> oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
> without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
> Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
> houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
> and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
> parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
> give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
> begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
> or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
> and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
> administratrix as aforesaid.....
>
> Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
> enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
> cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
> mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
> with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
> to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
> my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
> with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
> body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
> And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
> known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
> bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
>
> Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
> ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
> Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
> to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
> wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
> last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
> friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
> Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
> whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
> me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
> Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
> 1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
> Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
> third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
> Court.
>
> This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
> Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
> administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
> said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
> John Rudde, John Sherman.
>
>
>
> In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
> Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
> uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
> Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
> Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
> manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
> made.....
>
> Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
> Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
>
> Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
> Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
>
> Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
> next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
> Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
> William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
> Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
> Their motion The same is admitted to record.
>
>
>
> Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
> that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
> son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
> now occupied by Capt. Robt.
> Wynne...................................................................
> .Mike Tutor
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01/31/2005 3:10:27
Re: Mary __________
Michael Tutor
Maynard,
I have a little rule that helps me with the following spelling:
Francis with the "i" for hIm;
Frances with the "e" for hEr.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:47 PM
Subject: Mary __________
> Delores, I have also struggled with those dates for the widow Poythress
> m. Col. Wynne and finally just gave up and accepted it as apparently
> most have. Lou makes the points that I think one needs to somehow
> rationalize this. First,
> that men of the era tended to marry younger brides and second, that they
> didn't seem to let widows of almost any age get away from a new husband
> (as contradictory as these two points may appear).
>
> As for Mary's maiden name, I must have asked that question about a
> million times. It's all over gedcoms on the net as
> Slowman or Sloman. A number of "votes" are for Peyton. A few say
> Frances but I think that's a corruption of Francis in some way. I think
> the hundreds of (undocumented) mentions of Sloman come about because all
> those people trying to link to Pocahontas get that far, look at the
> Poythress name in the gedcom and the first guy that said "Sloman" just
> got copied a few dozen times and it snowballed.
>
> The one person that seemed to make sense to me suggested that Sloman
> showed up as a given name two times (I've only found one) in Col.
> Wynne's descendents and the name had never appeared in either the
> Poythress or the Wynne families previously.
>
> The suggestor continued in the vein that certainly that the notion was a
> very thin reed to lean upon and he or she wouldn't make book on
> it....which I thought was a fair way to just leave it until someone
> comes out of the woodwork with a citation.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:20 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE:
>
> Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
> query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
> item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
> that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
> Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
> have searched and searched for something that would give us an
> approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
> born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
> Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
> Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
> father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
> child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
> in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
> Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
> evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
> meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
> support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
> substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
> that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
> Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
> will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
> died in 1712.
> Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
> must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
> was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
> Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
> Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
> kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
> Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
> does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
> "educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
> Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:
>
>
> Deloris,
>
> In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
> states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
> at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
> John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
> Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
> abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
> Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
> his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
> the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
> Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
> assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
> which he died to four to five years.
>
> In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
> City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
> perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
> make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
>
> Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
> Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
> name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
> and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
> him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
> pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
> twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
> of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
> if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
> age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
> on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
> comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
> Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
> heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
> administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
> house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
> thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
> and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
> to descend as that doth.
>
> Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
> oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
> without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
> Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
> houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
> and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
> parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
> give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
> begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
> or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
> and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
> administratrix as aforesaid.....
>
> Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
> enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
> cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
> mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
> with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
> to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
> my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
> with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
> body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
> And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
> known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
> bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
>
> Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
> ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
> Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
> to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
> wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
> last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
> friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
> Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
> whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
> me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
> Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
> 1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
> Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
> third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
> Court.
>
> This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
> Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
> administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
> said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
> John Rudde, John Sherman.
>
>
>
> In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
> Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
> uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
> Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
> Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
> manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
> made.....
>
> Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
> Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
>
> Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
> Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
>
> Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
> next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
> Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
> William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
> Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
> Their motion The same is admitted to record.
>
>
>
> Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
> that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
> son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
> now occupied by Capt. Robt.
> Wynne...................................................................
> .Mike Tutor
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01/31/2005 3:14:39
Michael Tutor
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661 abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress, the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow, Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by !
my administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July 1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge, John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+) Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth & William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo: that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land now occupied by Capt. Robt. Wynne....................................................................Mike Tutor
01/31/2005 10:15:43
RE:
Deloris Riley
Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
have searched and searched for something that would give us an
approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
died in 1712.
Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
"educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
now occupied by Capt. Robt.
Wynne...................................................................
.Mike Tutor
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01/31/2005 11:19:33
FW: January 2005 Issue - Treasure Maps Genealogy Newsletter
John M. Poythress
Now that he's hawking his own stuff I have grown just a tad leary of Mr.
Regan. Even so, every now and then he still hits a home run. If you
don't already know about it, the LDS site below is a dandy.
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02/01/2005 4:40:05
RE: Mary __________
Deloris Riley
John, I do wholeheartedly agree that men tended to marry younger women
but I, personally, have not found any instances in my line where they
married a woman much older than themselves. Could be. At this point, I
will have to "assume" that Francis Poythress, if actually born in 1609
as has been stated, married a much younger woman-- then it would be
possible for her to be of child bearing age when she married Robert
Wynne. I do not believe I have any information as to when Francis
Poythress I's children were born--would have to search.
I don't believe there is any evidence to substantiate any blood
connection between the Robert Wynne line and that of Pocohontas. The
only thing I have come across is: Robert's son, Thomas (my line)
married Agnes Stith, sister of Ann Stith. Ann Stith married Col. Robert
Bolling after his first wife's death. Bolling's first wife was Jane
Rolfe, granddaughter of Pocohontas. No blood kin here.
Regarding the name "Sloman": Robert Wynne's son, Thomas (my line) named
one of his son's "Sloman" and in turn, this son named one of his son's
"Sloman". Joshua Wynne III, grandson of Joshua Wynne I, son of Colonel
Robert Wynne, named one of his sons "Sloman S."
I would only "assume" (once again) that the name "Sloman" would be a
family name. If I remember correctly, and I am not looking up the
actual info, Colonel Robert Wynne brought over a "John Sloman" at one
time. I do have the record. So, since I have never found "Sloman" in
the Colonel Robert Wynne personal ancestral line, it would seem very
plausible that Mary Poythress' maiden name was "Sloman". I do know that
there were Slomans in the Canterbury area as I found record of them
while doing research in the Canterbury Cathedral Archives.
The only other explanation for Colonel Robert Wynne's wife being a
Sloman would be if he had had a previous marriage before marrying Mary
Poythress and there is absolutely, to date, no record of that
ANYWHERE--not even in the Cathedral Archives!
So, as of now I am going to accept the idea that Mary Sloman married #1
Francis Poythress (where is the record for that marriage?) and #2
Colonel Robert Wynne, Speaker of the House of Burgesses, in Virginia.
The only thorn in my side is: why did not any of the Poythress
descendants use the name "Sloman"?
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:47 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Mary __________
Delores, I have also struggled with those dates for the widow Poythress
m. Col. Wynne and finally just gave up and accepted it as apparently
most have. Lou makes the points that I think one needs to somehow
rationalize this. First, that men of the era tended to marry younger
brides and second, that they didn't seem to let widows of almost any age
get away from a new husband (as contradictory as these two points may
appear).
As for Mary's maiden name, I must have asked that question about a
million times. It's all over gedcoms on the net as
Slowman or Sloman. A number of "votes" are for Peyton. A few say
Frances but I think that's a corruption of Francis in some way. I think
the hundreds of (undocumented) mentions of Sloman come about because all
those people trying to link to Pocahontas get that far, look at the
Poythress name in the gedcom and the first guy that said "Sloman" just
got copied a few dozen times and it snowballed.
The one person that seemed to make sense to me suggested that Sloman
showed up as a given name two times (I've only found one) in Col.
Wynne's descendents and the name had never appeared in either the
Poythress or the Wynne families previously.
The suggestor continued in the vein that certainly that the notion was a
very thin reed to lean upon and he or she wouldn't make book on
it....which I thought was a fair way to just leave it until someone
comes out of the woodwork with a citation.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE:
Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
have searched and searched for something that would give us an
approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and
Robert had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
died in 1712.
Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an
"educated" guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of
Robert Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
now occupied by Capt. Robt.
Wynne...................................................................
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02/01/2005 4:51:42
RE: Mary __________
Deloris Riley
Randy, I have always thought there was a Wynne, Eppes connection
"somewhere".
I am looking at a 2002 e-mail from Billy Gilmore to me which reads in
part: ". Most people list the date of death for Francis Poythress as
1661. I think this must have been when his estate was finally settled.
He died in 1648. This is from "The First Families of America" website.
Also, in 1656 and 1658 it was his sons involved in the lawsuit with John
Sloman and not Francis. I think Francis and Mary may have been in
England when he died because supposedly Robert and Mary md. At St.
Dunstan's in London."
Question: how do they know
francis died in 1648? I find it almost impossible to believe that
Robert Wynne married Mary in St. Dunstan's. There are very meticulous
records on the marriages, christenings, etc. in St. Dunstan's in the
Canterbury Cathedral Archives and I found nothing regarding such a
marriage on the numerous trips I have made to Canterbury.
I did find the christening date for Robert in St. Dunstan's in their
records. Sometimes I get so frustrated with all of the erroneous info
out there on the web, don't you? But then I remind myself that there
are a "jillion" serious family researchers out there sharing information
that is actually based on the record. I began my research many years
before the day of the computer and had to depend on finding the record
for myself! I suppose that is why I had such a hard time coming to
terms with accepting Mary Poythress as Robert Wynne's wife. Based on
all of the circumstantial evidence, I have no other choice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:59 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mary __________
The other piece of "evidence" not mentioned here was presented by Billy
Jean Gilmore to this forum in 2002: that there was a lawsuit (it would
be great to get a copy of this) between Francis Poythress and William
Epes, involving the inheritance of William's sister Katherine. The only
explanation of a relationship between the Poythresses and the Epeses
involves the Sloman famly. See the communication below.
-- Randy Jones
John Epes b. 1550 in Kent Co., England and his wife Thomasina Fisher had
a daughter, Katherine bc 1579 that d. 1582. There was a second daughter
named Katherine bc 1588. She md. 1st a cousin Peter Maplesden 18 Nov.
1606. He died bef. 1615 as at that time there was a lic. to marry dated
24 May 1615 in Ashford, Kent Co., Eng. for her and John Sloman. After
Peter's death she md. a John Sloman of Kent Co., England. Katherine was
a sister of the Francis Epes, the immigrant,who md. Marie Pawlett and
thus the aunt of the Francis Epes who md. Elizabeth Littlebury. After
the death of Francis Poythress his wife Mary ?Sloman md. Col. Robert
Wynne. There followed a lawsuit in the rights of his wife Mary over her
inheritance. The lawsuit was with Francis and William Epes. So it seems
she was connected to the Epes family and probably the d/o John Sloman
and Katherine Epes. John Sloman appears as a headright on a couple of
trips to VA but all this needs more research. -- Billy Jean Gilmore,
POYTHRESS-L, 17 May 2002
"John M. Poythress" wrote:
Delores, I have also struggled with those dates for the widow Poythress
m. Col. Wynne and finally just gave up and accepted it as apparently
most have. Lou makes the points that I think one needs to somehow
rationalize this. First, that men of the era tended to marry younger
brides and second, that they didn't seem to let widows of almost any age
get away from a new husband (as contradictory as these two points may
appear).
As for Mary's maiden name, I must have asked that question about a
million times. It's all over gedcoms on the net as
Slowman or Sloman. A number of "votes" are for Peyton. A few say Frances
but I think that's a corruption of Francis in some way. I think the
hundreds of (undocumented) mentions of Sloman come about because all
those people trying to link to Pocahontas get that far, look at the
Poythress name in the gedcom and the first guy that said "Sloman" just
got copied a few dozen times and it snowballed.
The one person that seemed to make sense to me suggested that Sloman
showed up as a given name two times (I've only found one) in Col.
Wynne's descendents and the name had never appeared in either the
Poythress or the Wynne families previously.
The suggestor continued in the vein that certainly that the notion was a
very thin reed to lean upon and he or she wouldn't make book on
it....which I thought was a fair way to just leave it until someone
comes out of the woodwork with a citation.
Maynard
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From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE:
Thank you ever so much, Michael, for taking the time to respond to my
query re Francis Poythress. It was prompted by the Poythress webb site
item that stated Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 so I would assume
that, perhaps, his wife, Mary, was born around the same time. Robert
Wynne was born in 1622 so Francis would be 13 years older than Robert. I
have searched and searched for something that would give us an
approximate date of Francis' death but so far, no luck. Yes, Thomas was
born in 1657. His father, Robert would have been 35 years old and Robert
had two other children, Robert and Mary (besides Thomas and
Joshua) who he referred to in his will. Thomas was only 19 when his
father, Robert, died and his sister Mary was already married with a
child so she must have been older than Thomas. I don't feel comfortable
in assuming Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress about 1656 just because
Thomas was born in 1657 but I must admit that is the only circumstantial
evidence we have. Everyone is of the opinion that "son-in-law" actually
meant "step-son" but I, personally have never seen any evidence to
support this although I don't completely reject the idea that the
substantiation is "out there"--I would love to see something elsewhere
that would show the use of son-in-law to indicate step-son. John
Poythress' reference to Thomas and Joshua Wynne as his brothers in his
will dated 1712 must mean that he died shortly before Joshua who also
died in 1712.
Based on the circumstantial evidence (sometimes that's all we have), I
must admit it appears that Robert Wynne did marry Mary Poythress and she
was the mother of Thomas and Joshua. I wonder who the first wife of
Robert Wynne was--I don't think we will ever know. I searched the
Canterbury records where all of the records for all of the counties were
kept but no luck. I looked in London--no luck. Accepting the fact that
Thomas Wynne's mother was Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress,
does anyone know what Mary's maiden name was? I would make an "educated"
guess that it could have been Sloman. I am a descendant of Robert
Wynne/Thomas Wynne and Sloman Wynne. Again, thanx!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Deloris,
In the following abstracts, is the Will of Robert Wynne, wherein he
states that Francis Poythress was his son-in-law. According to the usage
at that time, Francis was the step-son of Robert Wynne. In the Will of
John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, he names his brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, as dividers of his estate. In the 1661
abstract, John Poythress is named as son of the deceased Captain Francis
Poythress. The second Francis Poythress, the Major, seated the lands of
his father....As for the date of death for Captain Francis Poythress,
the last mention of him in the records is September, 1651. His widow,
Mary Poythress, had Thomas Wynne, by Robert Wynne, about 1657. If we
assume the marriage was about 1656, we have narrowed the time frame in
which he died to four to five years.
In the name of god Amen, I Robert Wynne of Jordans Parish of Charles
City County in Virginia Gent. being very sick and weak of body but of
perfect mind and memory. Praised be Almighty God for that great mercy
make this my last Will and Testament in manner and form as followeth....
Item I give and bequeath unto my eldest son Thomas Wynne one farme in
Whitestaple Parish in Kent nigh Canterbury and normally called by the
name Linebett Banckes with all barns stables outhouses lands orchards
and all things old and they were left me or have been improved since to
him and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten forever But my will and
pleasure is that he enjoy no part or parcell of this till he be one and
twenty years old. In the interim what profitts shall amount annually out
of this to be disposed of by my administrator hereinafter nomonated. And
if it shall please God my said son Thomas dye either before he come to
age or have lawfull issue my will and pleasure is my son Joshua enjoy it
on the said terms above expressed. And if it please God he dye before he
comes to age or have lawful issue that then it shall come to my daughter
Woodlief and her heirs. But if it shall please God that all dye without
heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fitt by ! my
administratrix. Item I further give and bequeath unto my son Thomas one
house being in Canterbury in St. Mildred's Parish with all them
thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age of one and twenty
and in the said forme as my ffarme at Whitestaple and in defalt of heirs
to descend as that doth.
Item I give and bequeath unto my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatmeale mill with orchards backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane
without St. Georges in Canterbury and commonly called by the name of the
Lilly Pott and further I will and bequeath to my said son Joshua two
houses in the same lane over against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins hath been formerly tenants to enjoy every part and
parcell of these at the age of one and twenty years and not before. I
give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten forver. But if it please God he shall dye before he come to age
or without lawful issue that then they shall come to his brother Thomas
and his failing then to his sister Woodlief and if she failed then to my
administratrix as aforesaid.....
Item I give and bequeath and my will and pleasure is that my son Thomas
enjoy all the cattle of his own mark being formerly given him except one
cowe called Moll which is to be killed for provision and likewise one
mare and ffilly foal he is already possessed of and one good featherbedd
with bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and likewise two gunns he is
to take his choice of all mine for them.Item I give unto my son Joshua
my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco house and other houses
with all the whole grant of that divident to him and the heirs of his
body lawfully begotten And in defalt of such heirs to his brother Thomas
And in defalt of Thomas to my daughter Woodlief and also the cattell
known to be his and a ffilly now in his possesion with a feather bed
bolster pillow rugg and two blanketts and two well fixt gunns.
Item I give my grandchild and godson young George Woodlief one ffilly
ffoal of about a year old And for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia as what shall be sent of England now and till my children comed
to age I give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved
wife Mary Wynne whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my
last Will and Testament and my desire and request is that my loving
friends Thomas Grendon, merchant and my son in law Captaine Ffrancis
Poythress be overseers to this my Last Will and Testament to either of
whome I give twenty shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of
me. In witness to every part and parcel of this my Last Will and
Testament I have left my hand and annexed my seal this first of July
1675. Robert Wynne, seale. Signed sealed in the presence of Thomas
Brome, John () Burge - endorsed this at a court holden at Westover the
third day of August 1675, by the right hon the Justices of the said
Court.
This will was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John
Burge the witnesses therein named and a probate granted the
administratrix therein also named and entered amongst the records of the
said court. James Minge Cl. Crt. Examined May Court 1677. & J. Minge,
John Rudde, John Sherman.
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of
Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The
uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The
Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And
Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in
manner & form following Revokeing all other wills by me heretofore
made.....
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signum of John x Poythress. Signed & Sealed in Present of: Jno (+)
Wininham, Petr (P) Leeth, Tho (T) Leeth, William Stainback.
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712. The
next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was
Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth &
William Standback Wittnesses thereto & a probt. thereof granted Johne
Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named therein & Att
Their motion The same is admitted to record.
Charles City County, 1655-1665, p. 272, April, 1661. Abstract. Memo:
that Col. Edward Hill Esq., at this Court did give to John Poyt'res the
son of Capt. ffran. Poythres dec'd. 50 acres at Jordans, adj. the land
now occupied by Capt. Robt.
Wynne...................................................................
.Mike Tutor
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02/01/2005 5:31:24
Re: Mary __________
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, folks, for the posts. Lot of good info there, and I appreciate
all your work in presenting it.
Barbara (BPN)
02/01/2005 12:15:18
Photo James Speed Poythress/Attn: Judy Scruggs
Hi Judy. Are you still out there. I am trying to get in touch with you
regarding a photo discovered recently. The email I have for you is not current. Get
in touch with me please.
Take care,
Elaine
02/07/2005 4:05:34
U of VA Confederate Cemetery
John M. Poythress
Barbara...check out:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+201609656
+F and search for Poythress.
Could this "N. F." be your guy?
Maynard
02/16/2005 11:03:31
Re: U of VA Confederate Cemetery
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard,
And actually I don't even need to check out the site you found. Yep, the
N.F. Poythress is indeed one of the brothers of my great-grandfather,
Algernon Edward Poythress; one of the sons of my g-g-grandfather, James
Edward Poythress.
Nathan Francis Poythress was born 18 Oct 1830 & he was a Private, in Co.
C, Jeff Davis Legion, Cavalry, having enrolled in Scooba, Mississippi
(just across the stateline from where the family lived in Sumter Co,
Alabama. He died, unmarried, of pneumonia in March 1862 in the CSA
Hospital in Charlottesville, VA.
In that Confederate Cemetery on the UVA campus, 1,097 soldiers,
including 11 Union are buried. Only 13 graves are marked with tombstones
(as of Sep 1994). In the center of the Confederate section is a
Confederate soldier monument with plaques (by state and units) listing
the names of the soldiers buried here. That is where his name appears.
Barbara (BPN)
02/16/2005 12:11:27
Re: U of VA Confederate Cemetery and veteran info
Barbara P. Neal
Thank you, Julie, for the additional info.
02/17/2005 8:12:43
Re: U of VA Confederate Cemetery and veteran info
Julie Cabitto
Just wanted to tell you about the tombstone situation in the cemeteries
around Fredericksburg and Richmond VA. (Charlottesville's about 1 & 1/2
hours) If the person is unknown, as was often the case because no one lived
in the unit to ID the body, or it was blown up beyond recognition... But if
the person is unknown, usually a tombstone is put up that says unknown. No
stone doesn't necessarily mean unknown. Spotsylvania Confederate cemetery
had a group of women raise lots of money to make sure every soldier buried
had a stone. The same is true of The Fredericksburg City Cemetery. The
majority of the stones do sadly say "unknown."
In Richmond, in Hollywood Cemetery there are over 5,000 confederates. My
relative (not on the side of the family as Poythress) is buried there and he
had no stone. But he was not unknown. Soldiers made burial records and
numbered the plots, knowing it could be a long while before stones could go
up. As you know tombstones cost a lot of money and the veterans
administration paid for only 2 stones a year for that cemetery. But if you
are a relative you can file the paperwork, and under the veterans benefits,
they will receive a stone for free. But they will only work directly with
the cemetery and deliver it to them. Holleywood cemetery had a fee of 100$
to set the stone, which is not covered by the benefits. So we paid 100$ to
the cemetery, filed paperwork to the vetereans administration with proof he
was a veterean. (Muster rolls are necessary). And 6 months later my relative
had a beautiful white marble stone. It was actually a lot easier than I
expected. This is the state of many Confederate cemeteries. If descendants
to the paperwork, their relative can have a stone. And that is how about 90%
of the stones were put up at Hollywood Cemetery. There are still several
thousand stones with just numbers. Just thought I'd tell those of you, in
case you had cofederate or union relatives without a stone.
Love,
Julie Cabitto
PS, I have a spotsylvania confederate cemetery and live near it if anyone
ever needs a look up. There are no Poythress of any spelling variations
buried there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: U of VA Confederate Cemetery
> Thanks, Maynard,
> And actually I don't even need to check out the site you found. Yep, the
> N.F. Poythress is indeed one of the brothers of my great-grandfather,
> Algernon Edward Poythress; one of the sons of my g-g-grandfather, James
> Edward Poythress.
>
> Nathan Francis Poythress was born 18 Oct 1830 & he was a Private, in Co.
> C, Jeff Davis Legion, Cavalry, having enrolled in Scooba, Mississippi
> (just across the stateline from where the family lived in Sumter Co,
> Alabama. He died, unmarried, of pneumonia in March 1862 in the CSA
> Hospital in Charlottesville, VA.
>
> In that Confederate Cemetery on the UVA campus, 1,097 soldiers, including
> 11 Union are buried. Only 13 graves are marked with tombstones (as of Sep
> 1994). In the center of the Confederate section is a Confederate soldier
> monument with plaques (by state and units) listing the names of the
> soldiers buried here. That is where his name appears.
>
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
>
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02/17/2005 8:31:23
Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress
Julie Cabitto
Hey everyone! You probably remember me as the one asking about William Archer Dortch married to Sarah Poythress. BW Dortch, a long time Dortch researcher (I've seen him post on the Poythress list too) and I were comparing notes on Newman Dortch married to Sarah (Sally) Speed, which are the parents of William Archer Dortch.
I have a marriage record for David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch for 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and Mary's mother was Ann.
BW told me his tree for Newman Dortch went like this:
He has Newman Dortch married to Sally Ann Speed.
children:
1) James David Dortch married to Nancy Ann Dortch daughter of David Samuel Dortch and Elizabeth.
2) Lucy Russell Dortch
3) Mary Speed Dortch married to David Poythress
4) Sarah Dortch
Lucy and Sarah have no spouse listed.
I never knew Sarah Speed's middle name was Ann, which matches with the marriage record of Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress (son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor.)
I have to work on who this Nancy is that married James David Dortch. Originally I had that James David Dortch was married to Nancy Ann Dortch the Daughter of David Dortch but after I read the chancery case of David Dortch married to Betsey Taylor I know that Nancy Dortch was married to Willis R.V. Crute. So I disconnected that marriage. On BW's tree he had James David Dortch (son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Ann Speed) married Nancy Ann Dortch who was the daughter of David Samuel Dortch and Elizabeth. So I may have had the wrong Nancy. It gets confusing because there is a David married to an Elizabeth, and a David Samuel Dortch who only goes by Samuel, married to an Elizabeth. And David is the father of David Samuel Dortch. I have 13 children for David Samuel Dortch and do not have a Nancy though. I have David Samuel's will. I will have to look that up but I know there wasn't a Nancy. I know a Nancy Dortch did marry James David Dortch son of Newman because I did find a marri!
age record for 9 Dec 1824. But is Nancy really a cousin as the Dortch book says? Because I just probably ruled out two cousins, or is she a Dortch by marriage, and James is her second marriage? Still don't know who Sally Ann Speed's parents are.
Does any one know anything at all about Mary Speed Dortch married to David Poythress? (son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor) Has anyone heard that David Poythress was son-in-law of Newman Dortch married to Sarah Ann Speed?
I'm feeling pretty happy to have another Poythress connection now, and some new things to look for my next visit to Richmond.
Love,
Julie Cabitto
02/18/2005 10:38:58
Re: Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress
Julie, good to hear from you and thanks for your posting.
John Pyle, a Dortch researcher, submitted this information on Newman Dortch
and his family:
Newman Dortch born about 1775 in Mecklenburg Co. VA died about 1835 in
Mecklenburg Co. VA
Married: Sarah Speed born about 1779 in Mecklenburg Co. VA. They were
married 29 March 1800
Children: 1. James David Dortch married Nancy Ann Dortch December 9, 1824
2. Lucy Russell Dortch married James M. Tucker October 20, 1824
3. Mary Speed Dortch married David Poythress December 17, 1827
4. Dortch (born 1810-1820
5. Dortch (born 1810-1820)
6. William Archer Dortch married Sarah G. Poythress about 1845
7. Sarah/Sally Dortch married David Poythress March 15, 1838
I have not found any documentation linking David Poythress to Newman Dortch.
Since Ann Dortch signed as consent for the marriage it would seem Newman
Dortch had died prior to that date.
Best regards,
Barbara (BPW)
02/19/2005 6:07:51
RE: changing email address
John M. Poythress
It sounds sort of dumb but the way you do it is to "unsubscribe" your
present address and "subscribe" your new address.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:57 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: changing email address
Does anyone know how I change my email address on the Poythress list?
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02/20/2005 2:35:40
changing email address
Does anyone know how I change my email address on the Poythress list?
Steve
02/20/2005 12:57:10
Virginia Parishes Check List
John M. Poythress
There is an extremely knowledgeable guy over on the Surry County
Rootsweb Board named Paul Drake. He spends a lot of time giving some
pretty intelligent answers to a wide variety of questions about Virginia
genealogy. Also, every now and then he drops an absolute gem and below
is one of them. I'm sure it's likely this information exists elsewhere
but I had never seen it all corralled into one place. Thought some of
you might want to keep is as a check list as I plan to do.
Maynard
Here are the extant VA parish registers and vestry books. All would
benefit by keeping this list. No family research can be complete
without a study of such records for the counties in which your
ancestors lived - their "wheres". Paul
*******************
Albemarle Parish Register of Surry and Sussex counties, Virginia,
1700-1800, Daughters of the American Revolution, Craighead-Dunlap
Chapter (Wadesboro, North Carolina)
Bath Parish register (births, deaths & marriages) 1827-1897 of Dinwiddie
County, Virginia and St. Andrews Parish vestry book 1732-1797 of
Brunswick County, Virginia, Hopkins, William Lindsay
Bath Parish register, Dinwiddie County, Virginia, 1827-1897, Bath Parish
(Dinwiddie County, Virginia: Episcopal)
Births from the Bristol parish register of Henrico, Prince George and
Dinwiddie Counties, Virginia, 1720-1798, Chamberlayne, C. G. (Churchill
Gibson), 1876-1939
Births, deaths and sponsors, 1717-1778, from the Albemarle Parish
register of Surry and Sussex counties, Virginia, Boddie, John Bennett,
1880-
Bruton and Middleton parishes, James City County, Virginia, parish
register, 1662-1797, Chappelear, Nancy, 1918-
Charles Parish, York County, Virginia history and registers : births
1648-1789, deaths 1665-1787 Bell, Landon C. (Landon Covington) ,
1880-1960
Charles Parish, York County, Virginia, history and registers: births,
1648-1789, deaths, 1665-1787, Bell, Landon C. (Landon Covington) ,
1880-1960 Christ Church Parish register, Middlesex County, Virginia,
1553 [sic]-1812, Yurechko, John Otto
A copy of the Hungars Parish register (1660-1661), Northampton County,
Virginia, Hart, Matilda Spicer
Elizabeth City Parish, Hampton, Virginia, 19th century parish registers,
Hayes, Francis W Hight-Hite families of Sussex and Surry Counties,
Virginia, from c1634 ...with chronology, abstracts from the register of
Albemarle Parish, and records of New Kent, Surry, Sussex, Lunenburg and
Prince George Counties, Wallace, Robert E.
(Index of the register of St. James Parish, Southam, Powhatan County,
Virginia, Owens, Barbara P
Lynnhaven Parish register 1838-1913 : Princess Anne County, Virginia,
Walter, Alice Granbery
New Jerusalem Evangelical Lutheran Church, Lovettsville, Loudoun County,
Virginia, parish registers, 1784-1836, Weiser, Frederick S.
Parish register of the Bethany Lutheran Church, Waynesboro, Virginia,
ca. 1771-1845, Bethany Lutheran Church (Waynesboro, Virginia)
The parish register, Probst's Church, Pendleton County, Virginia (W.
Va.), volume 1, 1813 - 1851 Smith, George M. Parish registers for
Virginia-Water, 1838-1946, Church of England, Chapelry of Virginia-Water
Parish registers, Nederduitsch Hervormde Kerk, Virginia (Orange Free
State), 1955-1988, Nederduitsch Hervormde Kerk. Gemeente Virginia
(Orange Free State)
The register of Overwharton Parish, Stafford County, Virginia 1723-1758
and sundry historical and genealogical notes, King, George Harrison
Sanford
The register of Saint Paul's Parish 1715-1798 : Stafford, County,
Virginia 1715-1776, King George County, Virginia 1777-1798, arranged by
surnames in chronological order, King, George Harrison Sanford
The registers of North Farnham parish, 1663-1814 and Lunenburg parish,
1783-1800, Richmond County, Virginia, King, George Harrison Sanford
Rev. John Cameron's marriage register of Bristol, Cumberland and
Nottoway parishes, Virginia, 1784-1815 and other more recent records,
mainly of Nottoway Parish, Nottoway Parish (Nottoway Co., VA)
The vestry book and register of Bristol Parish, Virginia, 1720-1789,
Chamberlayne, C. G.
The vestry book and register of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent and James
City counties, Virginia, 1684-1786, Chamberlayne, C. G
Virginia marriages in Rev. John Cameron's register and Bath Parish
register, Cameron, John, d. 1815
Virginia, Overwharton Parish register, 1720 to 1760, old Stafford
County, Boogher, William F.
______________________________
02/24/2005 6:28:43
new email address
Judy Scruggs
Hi, Just wanted everyone to get my new email address.
Al Jr. if you see this. Please send me your moms. My computer crashed and I lost all of my addresses.
Judy
03/02/2005 5:57:15
photo
Judy Scruggs
Concerning the photo you have listed with James Speed Poythress family.
The one on the right would have to be Carl Hutton as there was not a son named Carl Lee, but Robert Lee. If this is Carl Hutton I understand the picture was for the wedding of the guy with the flower. If that is Carl Hutton, he married Aug. 8,1917, so that would be the date the photo was taken.. If it was Robert Lee, he married in 1900 in St. Louis, so I doubt it was his wedding.
Thanks,
Judy
03/02/2005 6:05:53
Re: photo James Speed Poythress family
Barbara P. Neal
Judy, great that you've supplied the date of the photo of James Speed
Poythress & his family, from the groom's boutonniere. And I'm glad you
noticed the mislabeling of JSP's son Carl's middle name on it.
For those who want to see the photo in question, go to the photo section
of the Poythress website, at
http://www.poythress.net/photolist.html
Hopefully Al Tims Jr will pick up on either this or your other message
today & correct Carl's middle name.
Good to see you back on the P-List.
Barbara Neal
3/2/2005 Judy Scruggs wrote:
> Concerning the photo you have listed with James Speed Poythress
> family. The one on the right would have to be Carl Hutton as there
> was not a son named Carl Lee, but Robert Lee. If this is Carl Hutton
> I understand the picture was for the wedding of the guy with the
> flower. If that is Carl Hutton, he married Aug. 8,1917, so that would
> be the date the photo was taken.. If it was Robert Lee, he married in
> 1900 in St. Louis, so I doubt it was his wedding. Thanks, Judy
03/02/2005 6:07:15
Re: FW: Maitland/Poythress Families
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, thanks for the info. Can you please refresh our memories on
when David Maitland & his wife Susanna Poythress lived?
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
03/04/2005 2:51:54
Re: Maitland/Poythress Families
Teresa Willis
Hello All,
I'm back online, after a 2 month computer crash, so just doing some catch
up. I was glad to see the following, as a couple of my Poythress cousins and
I are planning a trip to Flowerdew soon. When is the Descendant's day this
year?
And Karen Shriver writes:
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
To whom do I request this? Her at the email given?
Thanks to anyone that knows!
Anyone planning a trip to Flowerdew for the descendants day? Hope I haven't
missed it.
Teresa Willis
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Poythress,
>
>
>
> For the past several years the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation has held an
> annual Descendant's Day gathering honoring the families that have lived
> at Flowerdew Hundred, a plantation on the south shore of the James
> River. I found your article regarding the Mailand/Poythress families of
> great interest and I have information regarding David Maitland and his
> wife Susanna Poythress.
>
>
>
> In the winter of 2000, a Ms. Margaret Torrence of Scotland and her
> American friends visited Flowerdew Hundred. She mentioned that she was
> working on an article on Fludha, David Maitland's house in Kirkcudbright
> and upon completion, she kindly sent a copyof her work.
>
>
>
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
> the article and is found in the Stewartry Museum, Kirkcudbright,
> Scotland. The name Fludha is presumably a corruption of Flowerdew.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> Karen K. Shriver
>
> Curator of Collections
>
> karenshriver@flowerdew.org or
>
> kshriver@firstsaga.com
>
> Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
>
> 1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
>
> Hopewell, VA 23860
>
> (804) 541-8897
>
> Fax (804) 458-7738
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/04/2005 4:11:17
FW: Maitland/Poythress Families
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Shriver [mailto:kshriver@firstsaga.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:37 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Maitland/Poythress Families
Dear Mr. Poythress,
For the past several years the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation has held an
annual Descendant's Day gathering honoring the families that have lived
at Flowerdew Hundred, a plantation on the south shore of the James
River. I found your article regarding the Mailand/Poythress families of
great interest and I have information regarding David Maitland and his
wife Susanna Poythress.
In the winter of 2000, a Ms. Margaret Torrence of Scotland and her
American friends visited Flowerdew Hundred. She mentioned that she was
working on an article on Fludha, David Maitland's house in Kirkcudbright
and upon completion, she kindly sent a copyof her work.
Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and Kirkcudbright
is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
the article and is found in the Stewartry Museum, Kirkcudbright,
Scotland. The name Fludha is presumably a corruption of Flowerdew.
Sincerely,
Karen
Karen K. Shriver
Curator of Collections
karenshriver@flowerdew.org or
kshriver@firstsaga.com
Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
Hopewell, VA 23860
(804) 541-8897
Fax (804) 458-7738
03/04/2005 5:30:40
RE: FW: Maitland/Poythress Families
John M. Poythress
Barbara:
Memento Mori
In remembrance of
SUSANNA MAITLAND
the affectionate wife of David Maitland
merchant in Blandford,
who departed this life the 9th
of February 1799, aged 33 years.
She was the daughter of Joshua &
Mary Poythress, of Flower de Hundred
The above is the Blandford Cemetery tombstone. Evidence suggests that
David returned to Scotland with the two surviving daughters (the third
is buried in Blandford).
There seems to be no record of David's death but the death of the two
daughters is documented.
MP
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:52 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: FW: Maitland/Poythress Families
Maynard, thanks for the info. Can you please refresh our memories on
when David Maitland & his wife Susanna Poythress lived?
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
03/04/2005 6:21:52
Re: photo
koswcartist
Judy, I am sure it is Carl's wedding. That is the house on Braxton Avenue
Meridian where the photo was taken. I remember my granddad showing me the
picture as Carl's wedding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Scruggs"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: photo
> Concerning the photo you have listed with James Speed Poythress family.
> The one on the right would have to be Carl Hutton as there was not a son
named Carl Lee, but Robert Lee. If this is Carl Hutton I understand the
picture was for the wedding of the guy with the flower. If that is Carl
Hutton, he married Aug. 8,1917, so that would be the date the photo was
taken.. If it was Robert Lee, he married in 1900 in St. Louis, so I doubt it
was his wedding.
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
03/05/2005 3:24:04
RE: Maitland/Poythress Families
John M. Poythress
Teresa, I'm sure Karen Shriver can tell you. I'm embarrassed to not
know but since I'm not going I haven't been paying attention.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:11 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Maitland/Poythress Families
Hello All,
I'm back online, after a 2 month computer crash, so just doing some
catch
up. I was glad to see the following, as a couple of my Poythress cousins
and
I are planning a trip to Flowerdew soon. When is the Descendant's day
this
year?
And Karen Shriver writes:
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and
Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
To whom do I request this? Her at the email given?
Thanks to anyone that knows!
Anyone planning a trip to Flowerdew for the descendants day? Hope I
haven't
missed it.
Teresa Willis
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Poythress,
>
>
>
> For the past several years the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation has held
an
> annual Descendant's Day gathering honoring the families that have
lived
> at Flowerdew Hundred, a plantation on the south shore of the James
> River. I found your article regarding the Mailand/Poythress families
of
> great interest and I have information regarding David Maitland and his
> wife Susanna Poythress.
>
>
>
> In the winter of 2000, a Ms. Margaret Torrence of Scotland and her
> American friends visited Flowerdew Hundred. She mentioned that she was
> working on an article on Fludha, David Maitland's house in
Kirkcudbright
> and upon completion, she kindly sent a copyof her work.
>
>
>
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and
Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
> the article and is found in the Stewartry Museum, Kirkcudbright,
> Scotland. The name Fludha is presumably a corruption of Flowerdew.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> Karen K. Shriver
>
> Curator of Collections
>
> karenshriver@flowerdew.org or
>
> kshriver@firstsaga.com
>
> Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
>
> 1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
>
> Hopewell, VA 23860
>
> (804) 541-8897
>
> Fax (804) 458-7738
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
03/05/2005 6:54:09
RE: Maitland/Poythress Families
John M. Poythress
Teresa, BTW, you have a digital camera?.....some shots of the windmill
and/or other points of interest would be great. The new, great big grey
main house with the gold turrets on the top didn't strike me as a
terrific choice but that's just a matter of opinion.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:11 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Maitland/Poythress Families
Hello All,
I'm back online, after a 2 month computer crash, so just doing some
catch
up. I was glad to see the following, as a couple of my Poythress cousins
and
I are planning a trip to Flowerdew soon. When is the Descendant's day
this
year?
And Karen Shriver writes:
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and
Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
To whom do I request this? Her at the email given?
Thanks to anyone that knows!
Anyone planning a trip to Flowerdew for the descendants day? Hope I
haven't
missed it.
Teresa Willis
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Poythress,
>
>
>
> For the past several years the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation has held
an
> annual Descendant's Day gathering honoring the families that have
lived
> at Flowerdew Hundred, a plantation on the south shore of the James
> River. I found your article regarding the Mailand/Poythress families
of
> great interest and I have information regarding David Maitland and his
> wife Susanna Poythress.
>
>
>
> In the winter of 2000, a Ms. Margaret Torrence of Scotland and her
> American friends visited Flowerdew Hundred. She mentioned that she was
> working on an article on Fludha, David Maitland's house in
Kirkcudbright
> and upon completion, she kindly sent a copyof her work.
>
>
>
> Ms. Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and
Kirkcudbright
> is available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included in
> the article and is found in the Stewartry Museum, Kirkcudbright,
> Scotland. The name Fludha is presumably a corruption of Flowerdew.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> Karen K. Shriver
>
> Curator of Collections
>
> karenshriver@flowerdew.org or
>
> kshriver@firstsaga.com
>
> Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
>
> 1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
>
> Hopewell, VA 23860
>
> (804) 541-8897
>
> Fax (804) 458-7738
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
03/05/2005 6:56:28
Flowerdew Hundred descendants day
Barbara P. Neal
Welcome back Teresa. Descendants day has traditionally been in August. I
just checked their website (www.flowerdew.org) but couldn't find any
mention of it there yet. There is a Special Events section "coming soon."
Barbara (BPN)
03/05/2005 12:12:04
Re: Flowerdew Hundred descendants day
Teresa Willis
Thanks Barbara and Maynard, I had looked on the website also, just thought
maybe one of you knew. I was thinking the descendants day was in the
spring but Aug is probably correct. I have emailed Karen Shriver, I'm sure
she can help.
Glad to be back once more!
Teresa
Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: Flowerdew Hundred descendants day
> Welcome back Teresa. Descendants day has traditionally been in August. I
> just checked their website (www.flowerdew.org) but couldn't find any
> mention of it there yet. There is a Special Events section "coming soon."
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/06/2005 6:41:09
RE: James Speed Poythress Website Photo
Hello to all. At the bottom of this post is an old post made in 2003 which
says the photo was taken in 1904 at the wedding rehearsal of Sallie Poythress
to Charles M. Card. We have a copy of this photo that was in my grandfather
Carl Hutton Poythresses belongings and I will get my cousin to check and see if
anything is written on the back. I don't even know if my grandparents Carl
and Pearl were married in a church or at the courthouse. I will ask my father
if he knows. I will let you know if I find out anything.
Take care,
Elaine
Judy, I am sure it is Carl's wedding. That is the house on Braxton Avenue
Meridian where the photo was taken. I remember my granddad showing me the
picture as Carl's wedding.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Scruggs"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: photo
> Concerning the photo you have listed with James Speed Poythress family.
> The one on the right would have to be Carl Hutton as there was not a son
named Carl Lee, but Robert Lee. If this is Carl Hutton I understand the
picture was for the wedding of the guy with the flower. If that is Carl
Hutton, he married Aug. 8,1917, so that would be the date the photo was
taken.. If it was Robert Lee, he married in 1900 in St. Louis, so I doubt it
was his wedding.
> Thanks,
> Judy
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:18:24 -0700
From: "Barbara P. Neal" __
(mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <3F727AA0.3030001@earthlink.net>
Subject: Info re James Speed Poythress family photo on website
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The following info came to me tonight regarding the photo of the James
Speed Poythress family which is posted on our Poythress research
website, from Patti (PPK) who is one of his descendants. (She thinks she
has now successfully re-subscribed to this Poythress-List after an
earlier computer failure and other troubles. Welcome back Patti):
On the Poythress web page is the picture of James Speed Poythress & his
wife Mattie and children. That was taken at the occasion of the wedding
rehearsal for marriage of Sallie Poythress to Charles M. Card, who is
the informant on Mattie's death certificate, which is another image on
that same web page.
______________________________
03/06/2005 12:50:30
Re: James Speed Poythress Website Photo
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Elaine,
Thanks for checking with your cousin to see what may be written on the
back of the photo of James Speed Poythress & wife Mattie & all the
assembled kids. I've checked back re what was said years ago about the
photo from the first Poythress who alerted me to that photo, Joe
Poythress in Mississippi. Joe had labeled the people's names (with Carl
Hutton Poythress being on the far right, with the boutonniere), but Joe
did not put any date or statement about the occasion for the photo.
I feel sure Judy was correct about the occasion for the photo having
been the 8 Aug 1917 marriage of Carl Hutton Poythress. That makes a lot
more sense to me that the occasion would've been an actual wedding --
especially since one man, logically the groom, was wearing a boutonniere.
Further, it is logical that many branches of JSP's descendant families
would've saved the photo, not only because it is a great photo of all
the members of the family, but also because Mattie died just 11 days
later! She died on 19 Aug 1917.
I suspect the earlier message of mine that you had copied (from Sep 2003
in which I relayed Patti's statement about it being from the rehearsal
for the 1904 wedding of Sallie Poythress to Charles M. Card) was in error.
If your cousin who has an original of the photo is able to confirm its
occasion from something on the back of it, that would be great. Thanks -
Barbara (BPN)
03/07/2005 8:17:47
Flowerdew Hundred Descendants Day planning
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Patti. Interesting that they aren't planning to have one until then.
Barbara
koswcartist wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: karenshriver@flowerdew.org
> To: koswcartist
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Descnedents days
>
> Dear Ms. Koscheski,
>
> The next Descendant's Day Gathering is scheduled for 2006/2007. We are
> still in the developmental stages and will post the event on our website
> as soon as an actual time has been decided. For more information please
> contact our Events and Programs Coordinator Jason Poe at
> jason.e.poe@verizon.net
>
> Sincerely,
> Karen
>
> Karen K. Shriver
> Curator of Collections
> Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
> 1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
> Hopewell, VA 23860
> (804) 541-8897
> Fax (804) 458-7738
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: koswcartist [mailto:koswcartist@socal.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2005 01:00 AM
> To: karenshriver@flowerdew.org
> Subject: Descnedents days
>
> When is flowerdewhundred descendents days?
> Patti Poythress Koscheski
>
03/07/2005 12:19:24
Re: Flowerdew Hundred Descendants Day planning
Crystal
Probably due to the Jamestown Celebration in '07. Most of the James River Plantations are gearing up for the event.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
Sent: Mar 7, 2005 10:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Flowerdew Hundred Descendants Day planning
Thanks, Patti. Interesting that they aren't planning to have one until then.
Barbara
koswcartist wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: karenshriver@flowerdew.org
> To: koswcartist
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Descnedents days
>
> Dear Ms. Koscheski,
>
> The next Descendant's Day Gathering is scheduled for 2006/2007. We are
> still in the developmental stages and will post the event on our website
> as soon as an actual time has been decided. For more information please
> contact our Events and Programs Coordinator Jason Poe at
> jason.e.poe@verizon.net
>
> Sincerely,
> Karen
>
> Karen K. Shriver
> Curator of Collections
> Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
> 1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
> Hopewell, VA 23860
> (804) 541-8897
> Fax (804) 458-7738
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: koswcartist [mailto:koswcartist@socal.rr.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2005 01:00 AM
> To: karenshriver@flowerdew.org
> Subject: Descnedents days
>
> When is flowerdewhundred descendents days?
> Patti Poythress Koscheski
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
03/08/2005 2:53:16
Re: Re: photo
> Thanks Patti,
I thought it was.
Glad you emailed. I lost all my addresses when the computer crashed. Hope all is well with you. I guess you heard Wayne passed away in June.
Judy
> From: "koswcartist"
> Date: 2005/03/06 Sun AM 01:24:04 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: photo
>
> Judy, I am sure it is Carl's wedding. That is the house on Braxton Avenue
> Meridian where the photo was taken. I remember my granddad showing me the
> picture as Carl's wedding.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judy Scruggs"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: photo
>
>
> > Concerning the photo you have listed with James Speed Poythress family.
> > The one on the right would have to be Carl Hutton as there was not a son
> named Carl Lee, but Robert Lee. If this is Carl Hutton I understand the
> picture was for the wedding of the guy with the flower. If that is Carl
> Hutton, he married Aug. 8,1917, so that would be the date the photo was
> taken.. If it was Robert Lee, he married in 1900 in St. Louis, so I doubt it
> was his wedding.
> > Thanks,
> > Judy
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/09/2005 2:13:01
Francis1 in Westmoreland County
John M. Poythress
At one time we had a lovely lady on the wire named Helene Pockrus...she
was exploring the possibility that Pockrus might be a variant of
Poythress and eventually concluded with considerable certainty that it's
not.
She and her husband are Mormons and both are volunteer workers at the
Salt Lake City headquarters "Family History Center." From time to time
we hear from her whenever she happens across a Poythress reference.
The link below is the latest. There is only one reference and it's to
Francis1 so just search for it and keep what (if anything) you want. We
really didn't need it to nail Francis down in Westmoreland County at
that time but it's an interesting confirmation as well as interesting
comments surrounding it.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Helene [mailto:hlvmp@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 6:14 PM
To: Barbara P. Neal; John M. Poythress
Subject: Poythress here
Hey, Lyn, you still alive. Email me would you? Thanks, Maynard
03/15/2005 11:04:57
Porteus in Southampton Co, VA
Crystal
Southampton County
12 October 1752, John Artis, a "negro," petitioned the court to add his wife Sarah to the list of tithables. And on 11 April and 13 June 1754 William Bynum (informer), in order to secure half the fine awarded to informers, brought suit against Francis Locust, John Roberts, John Byrd, Sr., James Brooks, James Brooks, Jr., John Byrd, Jr., Abraham Artis, Lewis Artis, William Brooks, John Demory, Ann Brooks, William Tabor, William Porteus, Thomas Wilkins, and Isaac Young. The presentment against Thomas Wilkins was dismissed. All others at first pleaded innocent, but later changed their plea to guilty and were fined either 500 or 1000 pounds of tobacco [Orders 1749-54, 283, 473, 495, 496, 500, 501, 510-12].
03/15/2005 12:00:40
[Fwd: Florrie Dell Poythress]
Albert Tims
My mother was a Poythress, Florrie Dell Poythress, and her mother was
Lessie Poythress. They lived in Swainsboro, Georgia. Florrie was born
in 1902 and died of TB in 1950. I was raised at Bethesda Home for Boys
in Savannah. I have no other info on her family or geneology but am
very interested in finding out more. I love in Ellijay, Ga now and am
69 years old. Please tell me if you have anything that will help me.
Thanks.
wstokes@ellijay.com
P.O. Box 984
Ellijay, Ga. 30504
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03/19/2005 4:52:03
Florrie Dell Poythress
Albert Tims
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:34:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Bill Stokes
To:
My sister, Mary Smith, died on Dec. 30 and was buried on Jan 4, 2005.
My brother and her had given their word to my Mother that they would
never tell me anything about the past, in fear that I would find out
that I was born out of wedlock and to a different father. My brother is
now sharing the story with me. He is 75 years old and I've convinced
him that this is only history and I will not hold it against my mother.
He told me yesterday about the Poythress family.
Actually, I was wrong yesterday. It was my Grandmother that was a
Poythress. Her name was Lessie. My brother remembers visiting Bud and
Sally on their farm in Swainsboro. He remembers the Hawhammond Church
and that Bud owned a country store. I believe Bud was Lessie's
brother. He thinks that Rachael Flake was the grandmother of Lessie
Poythress. Lessie married David Dickey. I don't know whether Lessie
died or they divorced. I remember David Dickey. He was always the best
Grandfather anyone could have. He taught me how to shoot a gun, build a
rabbit trap and pick cotton, among many other things. He lived in
Millen Ga and owned a 48 acre farm which he worked with an old white
mule. I remember plowing that mule and riding him to the farm down the
road where I played with the children there.
I did find out about 8 years ago that we didn't have the same father,
however Mary nor Louis would not give me any details nor discuss it at
all. My father was Addison Dwelley, the chief of Police in Millen for
30 years. I don't even have a picture of him. When I found out about
him I researched his background and found that he was not married when I
was born, but married in 1944 and had two children. I have since
contacted them and they have accepted me as their step brother. They
each have wonderful families.
When my mother was taken to Battey State Hospital in Rome, Ga. I was
placed at Bethesda. My youngest sister was placed in Savannah Home for
Girls. After graduating from High School, I borrowed the money to go to
the University of Georgia from which I graduated in 1958. I married Sue
Stafford 6 days later and we have been married for 47 years. After
repaying my loan to Bethesda I borrowed money to acquire my Master's
degree from Springfield College in Springfield Mass. I retired for the
first time in 1983. Went back to work in 1992 for about 5 years and
retired for the last time in 1997. We travel a lot and are enjoying our
life here in Ellijay Ga. We have 3 children and 4 Grandchildren.
If you have any information that would help fill the void in my life I
would appreciate it.
My mother was a Poythress, Florrie Dell Poythress, and her mother was
Lessie Poythress. They lived in Swainsboro, Georgia. Florrie was born
in 1902 and died of TB in 1950. I was raised at Bethesda Home for Boys
in Savannah. I have no other info on her family or geneology but am
very interested in finding out more. I love in Ellijay, Ga now and am
69 years old. Please tell me if you have anything that will help me.
Thanks.
P.O. Box 984
Ellijay, Ga. 30504
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03/20/2005 3:56:40
Mary Poythress
Deloris Riley
The only Poythress on the 1787 Sussex County Tax list was:
Mary Poythress (self) - This meant she was the taxpayer. She was the
ONLY Poythress listed among the Wynnes, Parhams, Sturdivants, Sledges,
Powells, etc. (all names involved at one point or another with my Wynne
history)
Who was she? Sussex Co. was the home of my William Wynne
(Thomas/Sloman/William).
Deloris Wynne-Riley delorisriley@satx.rr.com
03/21/2005 4:34:20
Re: [Fwd: Florrie Dell Poythress]
Bill:
For Census Records you can get them either at your local library or at your
county library. Call either and ask. Georgia has some indexed by surname
printed in books. The Librarian will help you.
Go to this site and get some information on how to:
_http://www.cyndislist.com/beginner.htm_
(http://www.cyndislist.com/beginner.htm)
You need to get some forms and a notebook so you can make notes.
Perhaps some others can offer you some help and information.
Briefly I have found the following using my Ancestry subscription but only
you will know if these are your people. I never found a Florrie or Floorie,
sorry.
That is about all I am able to do for you but wish you the very best in your
pursuit.
Sincerely,
MJZ
1900 Census Screven Co. Ga; Military Dist. 34
Han Poythress white male head age 37 born June 1862 Share
cropper
Rachel Poythress white female wife age 40 b. Nov 1859 keeping house
Lessie Poythress white female age 19 born May 1881 daughter Farm labor
William Poythress white male age 17 son born June 1883 farm labor
Effie Poythress white female age 13 daughter b. March 1887 farm labor
James Poythress white male age 11 son farm labor son age 10 farm labor
Ester Poythress white female age 7 daughter ----
1910 Census - Jenkins Co - big Horse Creek - Millen
Dickey, David head age 36 - single
Dickey, head age 31 married 9 years
Dickey, Marcy? A - wife age 22 married 9 years
Dickey, Rona ?sp - dau. age 7
Dickey, John E - son age 6
1920 Census Jenkins County - Millen Ga - District 119- Horse Creek
Dickey, David age 45 born in Ga as were parents - General Farming - Renting
Dickey, Mae age 30 wife...born in Ga...house keeping
Dickey, Ira W. age 6 son
1930 Census Jenkins County Ga - Dist 6 - Big Horse Creek
Dickey, David age 57 head married at 21 Farmer
Dickey, Mae age 37 wife married at 18
Dickey, I.W. age 16 son
Family living next door is James G. Royals 58 and wife Annie age 54
with them is there daughter Beula Dickey age 20 divorced.
1930 Census Emanuel Co. Swainsboro
New Franklin Sanitarium
Poythress, Wm. D. male patient age 50 b.in GA Occupation Farmer - Gen
Farming
1930 Census for Poythress in Georgia
Warren L Poythress w/Odessa J Poythress Savannah, Chatham, GA abt 1894
Georgia Head
John W Poythress w/ Louise H Poythress Savannah, Chatham, GA abt 1866
Georgia Head
Wm D Poythress Swainsboro, Emanuel, GA abt 1880 Georgia Patient
Charlie M Poythress w/Mallie Poythress Millen, Jenkins, GA abt 1855
Georgia Head
Lee A Poythress w/ Lucy Poythress Millen, Jenkins, GA abt 1861 Georgia
Head
Kate L Poythress Militia District 1676, Screven, GA abt 1879 Georgia Head
You wrote:
Thank you for the information. Where can find the Census. Will it be in
the courthouse in Screven Co.
03/21/2005 6:08:58
RE: Mary Poythress
Sheryl
Deloris,
I hope that I can be of some help here. I descend from this Mary Poythress
also.
To the best of my knowledge and what I have pieced together there are two
Mary Poythress'
One Mary Poythress is the daughter of Christian Peebles and John Poythress;
she married John Woodliff.
The second Mary Poythress is the one that married Capt. Robert Wynne. She
was married first to Frances Poythress (is this correct Maynard?).
I need some help here, so if anyone can fill in some on Mary Poythress I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks,
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
The only Poythress on the 1787 Sussex County Tax list was:
Mary Poythress (self) - This meant she was the taxpayer. She was the
ONLY Poythress listed among the Wynnes, Parhams, Sturdivants, Sledges,
Powells, etc. (all names involved at one point or another with my Wynne
history)
Who was she? Sussex Co. was the home of my William Wynne
(Thomas/Sloman/William).
Deloris Wynne-Riley delorisriley@satx.rr.com
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Visit www.poythress.net
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03/21/2005 6:37:59
Re: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Elaine, for checking with the cousin who now has the
copy of the photo that came via your aunt from your grandfather, Carl.
Nice to know that some people indeed put dates on photos
Barbara
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello to all. I received and email from a cousin who also has a copy of the
> James Speed Poythress Photo that is on this website. The date she has for that
> photo is: Thanksgiving Day, November 29th 1906. My Aunt Nedra had the date
> on the copy she had of that photo, which I am sure came from my grandfather
> Carl, since everything was handed down to her when he passed away. I thought
> my grandfather looked younger than he would have, if the photo was taken at
> his wedding in 1917. He was 33 when he married my grandmother. If this photo
> was taken in 1906 he would have been 22.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/21/2005 6:39:40
James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
Hello to all. I received and email from a cousin who also has a copy of the
James Speed Poythress Photo that is on this website. The date she has for that
photo is: Thanksgiving Day, November 29th 1906. My Aunt Nedra had the date
on the copy she had of that photo, which I am sure came from my grandfather
Carl, since everything was handed down to her when he passed away. I thought
my grandfather looked younger than he would have, if the photo was taken at
his wedding in 1917. He was 33 when he married my grandmother. If this photo
was taken in 1906 he would have been 22.
Take care,
Elaine
03/21/2005 8:46:03
Re: Mary Poythress
Michael Tutor
This may be Mary Short Poythress (-1788), widow of Joshua Poythress
(1720-1782). Mary paid taxes on 493 acres in Prince George County for
1787...........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheryl"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: Mary Poythress
> Deloris,
> I hope that I can be of some help here. I descend from this Mary
> Poythress
> also.
> To the best of my knowledge and what I have pieced together there are two
> Mary Poythress'
> One Mary Poythress is the daughter of Christian Peebles and John
> Poythress;
> she married John Woodliff.
> The second Mary Poythress is the one that married Capt. Robert Wynne. She
> was married first to Frances Poythress (is this correct Maynard?).
>
> I need some help here, so if anyone can fill in some on Mary Poythress I'd
> appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> sheryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> The only Poythress on the 1787 Sussex County Tax list was:
> Mary Poythress (self) - This meant she was the taxpayer. She was the
> ONLY Poythress listed among the Wynnes, Parhams, Sturdivants, Sledges,
> Powells, etc. (all names involved at one point or another with my Wynne
> history)
> Who was she? Sussex Co. was the home of my William Wynne
> (Thomas/Sloman/William).
> Deloris Wynne-Riley delorisriley@satx.rr.com
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/21/2005 9:25:53
Re: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
>
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 03:46:03 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
>
> Hello to all. I received and email from a cousin who also has a copy of the
> James Speed Poythress Photo that is on this website. The date she has for that
> photo is: Thanksgiving Day, November 29th 1906. My Aunt Nedra had the date
> on the copy she had of that photo, which I am sure came from my grandfather
> Carl, since everything was handed down to her when he passed away. I thought
> my grandfather looked younger than he would have, if the photo was taken at
> his wedding in 1917. He was 33 when he married my grandmother. If this photo
> was taken in 1906 he would have been 22.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
He looks more like 22. I wonder why he is the only one with a flower on ?
Judy
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
>
>
03/21/2005 10:20:15
Re: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
Barbara P. Neal
How neat to know that your grandfather liked to wear a flower on his
label often. Thanks, Elaine, for sharing the results of your search on
this photo.
Barbara
03/22/2005 9:11:57
Re: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
>
> Hello to all. I received and email from a cousin who also has a copy of
the
> James Speed Poythress Photo that is on this website. The date she has for
that
> photo is: Thanksgiving Day, November 29th 1906. My Aunt Nedra had the
date
> on the copy she had of that photo, which I am sure came from my
grandfather
> Carl, since everything was handed down to her when he passed away. I
thought
> my grandfather looked younger than he would have, if the photo was taken
at
> his wedding in 1917. He was 33 when he married my grandmother. If this
photo
> was taken in 1906 he would have been 22.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
He looks more like 22. I wonder why he is the only one with a flower on ?
Judy
I remember my granddaddy wearing a flower every Sunday to church. I emailed
my dad and he said his father Carl liked to wear a flower in his lapel often,
so I guess that is why he is the only one wearing one at the Thanksgiving
Celebration Photo on the website.
Take care,
Elaine
03/22/2005 10:29:59
H. Anne Poythress 1922-2005
This is the newspaper obituary for Hannah Anne Poythress who died March 14,
2005. Her great-great grandfather was David Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA.
Barbara (BPW)
H. Anne Poythress
H. Anne Poythress, 82, South Seagrave St., Daytona Beach, Florida died Monday
at Halifax Hospital, Daytona Beach.
Born in Henderson, N.C., she graduated from Henderson High School in 1939 and
went on to receive her bachelors degree from East Carolina University in
1943, and her masters in 1945 from Teachers College, Columbia University. She
worked continually throughout the years in many diverse situations of
pre-school education to get the most complete background possible. Anne worked in
private schools, day care centers, settlement houses, college labs and hospitals,
fulfilling all rolls one would be given. She continued her education with
Special Education Certification in 1955 from the University of Indiana, Student
Teacher Supervision in 1961 at the University of Florida and eventually
Supervision and Administration at Rollins College in 1965.
She moved to Orlando in the 1950's from New York, and continued her work with
physically impaired children. Anne held posts in Florida that include
teacher of 3- and 4-year-old handicapped in Orlando; consultant to the Florida
State Department of Education, President, Florida Chapter 155, Council; Vice
President and later President of the Florida Federation, all of the Council for
Exceptional Children.
Although constantly honing her talents and education in this difficult field,
and holding many more offices, developing new projects and supervising, she
loved children so much that she continued to substitute at Lake Silver
Elementary in the Orlando Area until she was 82. She enjoyed working with children
and trained therapy dogs which she took to hospitals caring for exceptional
children.
In 2004, as her health began to fail, she moved to Daytona, became a member
of Edgewater Methodist Church, Edgewater, of which her niece is pastor, and
continued her passion for children and education until her death.
Survivors include: her niece and caregiver, Anne Godbold, Edgewater;
grandson, John David Godbold, Edgewater; friend Lynda Davis; Richard (Donna)
Stoneburner of Wellington; Jane (Mike) Morris of Seabrook Island, S.C.; Harriet
(Frazier) Bell of Charlottesville, Va.; Betsy (Rick) Weatherly of Burlington,
N.C.; Elizabeth (Joe) Wilburn of Graham, N.C.; 13 grandnieces and nephews and
five great-grandnieces and nephews.
Memorial service will be 2 p.m. Saturday at Edgewater Methodist Church with
the Rev. Pamela Stewart and the Rev. Anne Godbold officiating
In lieu of flowers donations may be made in Anne's memory to Edgewater United
Methodist Church, 204 Hubbell St., Edgewater, Fla., 32132 or to Orlando
Union Rescue Mission, P.O. Box 2791, Orlando, Fla. 32802.
03/23/2005 10:43:28
Re: The Brock Collection
ted d jones
Now that's what I like Maynard, you tell it like it is but in eloquent
wording. Seems like the almighty dollar it taking over Genealogy and there
are those who are quite rude when asked just for a little assistance. Just
an observance, I have not asked for anything but JONES.
I do not have that problem as I already know who mine were and names ,
dates and places. But others do have this problem. Ann Poythress married
Richard Bland. This Richard Bland is in my line of kin.
Many of us appreciate an authority to look up to, you qualify for that
distinction.
Ted Jones, Vicksburg, Ms
Not a genealogist but I do have all of my people.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: The Brock Collection
> It appears there is a chance that a gold mine of early Virginia records
> is headed our way and will be digitalized on line at the LVA site.
>
> See: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/VALib/v49_n3/weisiger.html
>
> Minor Weisiger, son of Ben Weisiger and archivist at the LVA writes the
> informative article above. Minor is gentlemanly and treats the
> Huntington Library with more grace than they likely deserve. My
> contacts have told me that over many decades the Huntington Library has
> been a bunch of first class obstructionists over this material, denying
> access to all but researchers they deemed "qualified" and refusing to
> let the Library of Virginia even copy the material this side of an
> extortive charge well into 7 figures. No doubt, the LVA paid through
> the nose and has finally been able to raise the money demanded by the
> Huntington to merely copy the material.
>
> I may ultimately be persuaded otherwise, but my hearsay evidence says
> the Huntington Library of San Marino, CA deserves no particular
> gratitude or respect from Virginia researchers or historians in general.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
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03/25/2005 3:51:49
The Brock Collection
John M. Poythress
It appears there is a chance that a gold mine of early Virginia records
is headed our way and will be digitalized on line at the LVA site.
Minor Weisiger, son of Ben Weisiger and archivist at the LVA writes the
informative article above. Minor is gentlemanly and treats the
Huntington Library with more grace than they likely deserve. My
contacts have told me that over many decades the Huntington Library has
been a bunch of first class obstructionists over this material, denying
access to all but researchers they deemed "qualified" and refusing to
let the Library of Virginia even copy the material this side of an
extortive charge well into 7 figures. No doubt, the LVA paid through
the nose and has finally been able to raise the money demanded by the
Huntington to merely copy the material.
I may ultimately be persuaded otherwise, but my hearsay evidence says
the Huntington Library of San Marino, CA deserves no particular
gratitude or respect from Virginia researchers or historians in general.
Maynard
03/25/2005 4:09:32
Re: The Brock Collection
Dear Maynard:
As always you provide such interesting and informative information, and I
think of you as a guru. Thank you so much for sharing this tid bit of hope and
for being our scout.
First, may I have permission to forward this to some other
mail-list...varoots, for one?
Second, a few questions that perhaps you can answer regarding Minor
Weisiger's article:
+"Earl Gregg Swem (1870-1965), librarian at the College of William & Mary,
inventoried the collection for the Brocks. "
? Do you know if any of the collection WAS INCLUDED in Swem's Historical
Inventory. This is probably a stupid question, as I have seen the published Swem
Inventory and it doesn't mention anything about Brock's collection, however
just in case I missed something..just had to ask.
+ "For those wishing to read about the Brock Collection, Beverly Fleet's
Huntington Library Data, 1607-1850, more recently published as part of Virginia
Colonial Abstracts, Volume 3 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1988),
contains an interesting history of the collection, and a lengthy list of
items contained in it."
? Have you seen or read the resource listed above?
Thanks again Maynard.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 03/25/2005 11:10:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
It appears there is a chance that a gold mine of early Virginia records
is headed our way and will be digitalized on line at the LVA site.
Minor Weisiger, son of Ben Weisiger and archivist at the LVA writes the
informative article above. Minor is gentlemanly and treats the
Huntington Library with more grace than they likely deserve. My
contacts have told me that over many decades the Huntington Library has
been a bunch of first class obstructionists over this material, denying
access to all but researchers they deemed "qualified" and refusing to
let the Library of Virginia even copy the material this side of an
extortive charge well into 7 figures. No doubt, the LVA paid through
the nose and has finally been able to raise the money demanded by the
Huntington to merely copy the material.
I may ultimately be persuaded otherwise, but my hearsay evidence says
the Huntington Library of San Marino, CA deserves no particular
gratitude or respect from Virginia researchers or historians in general.
Maynard
03/25/2005 5:04:26
RE: The Brock Collection
John M. Poythress
Mary Jean.....
Thanks for the kind words from you and others.
I'd make book that neither Swem nor Fleet had/have the actual texts,
only a list of the holdings. And, as Minor indicates, much of it is
"loose papers." That would be tough to catalog. However, if anybody
could do it those two probably could. With the job that Swem did on the
"Swem Index" I just about put him in the walking on water category.
My reason for thinking the text is largely unavailable is
a conversation I had at a seminar last year with Barbara Vines Little
who was the lecturer and is now (or was) the president of the Virginia
Genealogical Society and one of the movers and shakers in that
environment. I raised the question of the Brock status with my teeth
gnashing. She probably knew more about the negotiations at the time
than would have been wise for her to say. I'm guessing Barbara was
likely "raised right" by a mother with the dictum "if you can't say
something nice, etc. etc."....since she said nothing.
Re-post away. Frankly, I hope someone will correct my impression.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:04 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Brock Collection
Dear Maynard:
As always you provide such interesting and informative information, and
I
think of you as a guru. Thank you so much for sharing this tid bit of
hope and
for being our scout.
First, may I have permission to forward this to some other
mail-list...varoots, for one?
Second, a few questions that perhaps you can answer regarding Minor
Weisiger's article:
+"Earl Gregg Swem (1870-1965), librarian at the College of William &
Mary,
inventoried the collection for the Brocks. "
? Do you know if any of the collection WAS INCLUDED in Swem's
Historical
Inventory. This is probably a stupid question, as I have seen the
published Swem
Inventory and it doesn't mention anything about Brock's collection,
however
just in case I missed something..just had to ask.
+ "For those wishing to read about the Brock Collection, Beverly
Fleet's
Huntington Library Data, 1607-1850, more recently published as part of
Virginia
Colonial Abstracts, Volume 3 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.,
1988),
contains an interesting history of the collection, and a lengthy list
of
items contained in it."
? Have you seen or read the resource listed above?
Thanks again Maynard.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 03/25/2005 11:10:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
It appears there is a chance that a gold mine of early Virginia records
is headed our way and will be digitalized on line at the LVA site.
Minor Weisiger, son of Ben Weisiger and archivist at the LVA writes
the
informative article above. Minor is gentlemanly and treats the
Huntington Library with more grace than they likely deserve. My
contacts have told me that over many decades the Huntington Library has
been a bunch of first class obstructionists over this material, denying
access to all but researchers they deemed "qualified" and refusing to
let the Library of Virginia even copy the material this side of an
extortive charge well into 7 figures. No doubt, the LVA paid through
the nose and has finally been able to raise the money demanded by the
Huntington to merely copy the material.
I may ultimately be persuaded otherwise, but my hearsay evidence says
the Huntington Library of San Marino, CA deserves no particular
gratitude or respect from Virginia researchers or historians in
general.
Maynard
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03/25/2005 10:09:43
Re: The Brock Collection
Teresa Willis
Thanks for the wonderful information, Maynard. As all ways you are on top
of things. This is very exciting, and I for one can not believe someone
would sit on a gold mine like this. I guess it just goes to show "money
talks bull walks"
Teresa Willis
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: The Brock Collection
> It appears there is a chance that a gold mine of early Virginia records
> is headed our way and will be digitalized on line at the LVA site.
>
> See: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/VALib/v49_n3/weisiger.html
>
> Minor Weisiger, son of Ben Weisiger and archivist at the LVA writes the
> informative article above. Minor is gentlemanly and treats the
> Huntington Library with more grace than they likely deserve. My
> contacts have told me that over many decades the Huntington Library has
> been a bunch of first class obstructionists over this material, denying
> access to all but researchers they deemed "qualified" and refusing to
> let the Library of Virginia even copy the material this side of an
> extortive charge well into 7 figures. No doubt, the LVA paid through
> the nose and has finally been able to raise the money demanded by the
> Huntington to merely copy the material.
>
> I may ultimately be persuaded otherwise, but my hearsay evidence says
> the Huntington Library of San Marino, CA deserves no particular
> gratitude or respect from Virginia researchers or historians in general.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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03/26/2005 3:41:26
VA Gene Soc 31 July-4 August
John M. Poythress
In this month's Virginia Genealogical Society newsletter a complete
description and registration forms are provided in PDF format
for their summer Virginia genealogy seminar. Go to upcoming events and
it's the second one listed...and beside the dates
31 July to 4 August...>http://www.vgs.org/VIGR8brochure.pdf<.
Two concurrent seminars will run at the same locale..some classes will
be "common" but the overall seminar is divided into two "tracks."
Quote: "Track 1 is designed for the novice Virginia researcher. Track 2
is for the more experienced Virginia researcher.
Neither track is recommended for the beginning genealogists."
The complete detail is given for each lecture along with the name and
credentials of the lecturer. It's an impressive line up.
They feed you and put you up for 4 days and nights for about $750...not
a bad deal depending on one's budget.
Maynard
03/27/2005 11:04:43
DNA Project
John M. Poythress
Barbara, I continue to get newsletters from Family Tree about DNA
studies. While I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand everything
they say, I do get the drift that they are mostly repeating
themselves...no doubt in part trying to sell more tests.
Is my understanding correct that until more male Poythresses come out of
the woodwork willing to submit samples that we just aren't going to make
any more substantative progress?
Would I be correct in saying that what we did learn was that just about
all of us who participated in the tests to one degree or another (for
almost certain) share a common male ancestor and that in all probability
he is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and possibly other
brothers who are not males from whom any of us have descended? If
that's true, it's my feeling that that alone was worth the price of
admission.
If there's no more juice in the DNA project, would you think it's time
for a non-technical explanation of what we did get so that each of us
will understand the status quo and the possible outcomes/potential of
future testing of others? And would you be so kind as to knock out such
a summary?
And if you feel otherwise, say that too.
Thanks,
Maynard
03/28/2005 12:21:22
Re: DNA Project
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard's questions yesterday were amazingly-timed. Early today, our
Poythress-surnamed Y-DNA Project has just gotten the test results of the
12-marker test on one additional Poythress-surnamed male.
Frankly, I'm very surprised that this most-recently tested Poythress
man's test results differ slightly (by one digit, on one marker) from
the test results on the same 12 markers for all 7 men who were tested
earlier. The earlier 7 men were all identical on those 12 markers.
The experts at FamilyTreeDNA calculate that all 8 Poythress-surnamed men
who have participated so far in our Study likely share a common ancestor
at some point.
However, my understanding is that I am not sure we *can* say as you
hypothesize "that in all probability that he [the common male ancestor
of the 7 so far] is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
possibly other brothers..."
Yes, we need more Poythress-surnamed males to be tested. It would
especially help if a man would be tested, who we *know* is descended
from Lewis Poythress, versus others who have been tested who we *think*
is descended from him.
I hope to offer more analysis later, but will today be sending a
separate message to the List asking for help with a related matter first.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
Group Administrator of the Poythress-Surnamed Y-DNA Study
3/28/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barbara, I continue to get newsletters from Family Tree about DNA
studies. While I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand everything
they say, I do get the drift that they are mostly repeating
themselves...no doubt in part trying to sell more tests.
>
> Is my understanding correct that until more male Poythresses come out
of the woodwork willing to submit samples that we just aren't going to
make any more substantative progress?
>
> Would I be correct in saying that what we did learn was that just
about all of us who participated in the tests to one degree or another
(for almost certain) share a common male ancestor and that in all
probability he is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
possibly other brothers who are not males from whom any of us have
descended? If that's true, it's my feeling that that alone was worth
the price of admission.
>
> If there's no more juice in the DNA project, would you think it's time
for a non-technical explanation of what we did get so that each of us
will understand the status quo and the possible outcomes/potential of
future testing of others? And would you be so kind as to knock out such
a summary?
>
> And if you feel otherwise, say that too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
03/29/2005 1:16:57
Meredith Poythress & Lewis & George
Barbara P. Neal
Yesterday, Maynard mentioned Thomas Poythress as being "the father of
Meredith, George, Lewis, and possibly other brothers..."
I need help, please, in refreshing of knowledge here: Do we have any
document that helps us *know* that Meredith was brother to George &/or
to Lewis? If so, what & where is that document? Thanks so much if you
can help with this.
Recapping here, we *know* Thomas Poythress was the father of Meredith
Poythress from:
Catherine Lindsay Knorr's 1953 volume "Marriage Bonds and Ministers'
Returns of Brunswick County, Virginia, 1750-1810" On p.66 an entry
indicates that on 22 Aug 1782, Meredith Poythress appeared, serving as
surety for John Morris who obtained a bond to marry Elizabeth Edwards,
daughter of Thomas Edwards, deceased. "Sur. [Surety] Meredith Poythress
who makes affidavit that Elizabeth Edwards lives at the home of his
father Thomas Poythress and is 23 years of age."
We also know that both father Thomas & son Meredith appeared in the
Brunswick Co, VA Personal Property Tax records of 1782-1787 that Teresa
Willis recapped for us on 16 Feb 1999 in a message that Teresa captioned
"1640 Thomas Poythress." (While Teresa's message didn't specify exact
years, she told us that Meredith was listed with just his own name,
while Thomas was listed with 2 polls -- i.e. 2 men of tithable age --
and with 6 slaves. There was no listing of either Lewis or George by
name in her listing of Poythress men in the counties of Brunswick,
Dinwiddie, Prince George, and Southhampton.)
Further recapping here, we *know* that George Poythress and Lewis
Poythress were brothers from:
the Jackson Co, FL Will that was written by George Poythress on 6
April 1829, which was recorded 19 July 1832 in Jackson Co, FL, and
labelled in the county's Loose Papers as being recorded in Book E, pp.
286-287. George refers to his brother Lewis, living in VA.
We know that Lewis Poythress lived in the Lower District of Mecklenburg
Co, VA where he was first listed in the VA Personal Property Tax records
in 1795 and where he usually appeared through 1845. (Mecklenburg County
and Brunswick County are adjacent counties along the southern edge of VA.)
Thanks so much for any help.
Barbara (BPN)
03/29/2005 1:48:41
RE: Meredith Poythress & Lewis & George
John M. Poythress
Barbara, I'll take first crack at it because I suppose I'm perceived as
the "sponsor."
What we know for absolute sure:
-"a" Thomas was father of Meredith, Sr. (various documents)
-George was brother of Lewis (George's will)
-Meredith m. Edith Cleaton, dau. of Thomas Cleaton (marr. Certificate).
-all of 'em, except for father Thomas who may have come from an
adjoining county and Lewis who didn't come at all, migrated from
Mecklenburg County...and the records do not show other Poythresses
there. (various multiple legal documents).
What we think we know 99.9% for sure:
-George was son of Thomas (executor of Thomas' will with his (maybe)
mother Martha, known to be Thomas' wife, with a multitude of other
connections, just too many for it to be any other way). Therefore, with
a common father, George was brother to Meredith...and if George was
brother to Meredith then Meredith was also brother to Lewis.....also
into the mix is William, Thomas, Jr. and probably one and maybe one more
comes to mind. There's an Edward in there.
William is shown (photocopy of muster)as a corporal in the GA Militia
1793-1796. Thomas, Jr. signs a petition to the governor with his
father. Edward I'll have to dig out but he's unimportant for the
moment.
What we think we know a little less surely:
-the proposition that Meredith was Lewis' brother simply because he went
bond on Lewis' marriage. But I think this
more likely is just confirmation for the above.
What I think we know but I'm not sure what someone else has:
-Lewis was son of Thomas Poythress?
-Lewis has a Cleaton connection?
Given that 7 of 7 of us have a common ancestor (DNA), what I think the
thesis above has going for it is: "it wouldn't make sense for it to be
any other way." Where else is this path going to wind up? The "common"
ancestor may indeed turn out to be Francis the immigrant but for the
here and now we are looking for a MRCA (most recent common ancestor).
It strikes me that the question boils down to: if not Thomas, whom else
could it be? No one in my line of sight. It's just the way the puzzle
seems to me to fit. I'm certainly open to alternatives.
I'm a lot more troubled by our conventional acceptance of this Thomas b.
1729.....a)moving most of his family to GA in his mid-60's b)being
elected sheriff having been declared "a gambler and a nuisance to this
county" only 8 or 9 years prior and with no legal background, c)being
elected sheriff AT ALL at age 70 or so and d)having a daughter
(presumably MEAPDO)young enough to qualify as an orphan in the 1803
lottery registration.
Mike Tutor and I are looking at a second heretical proposition that
there's another Thomas in here (b. likely abt. 1756) who is referred to
as "esq." implying legal training, elected sheriff at age late 40's who
may indeed be the son of "our" Thomas and died an early death in
1800....and that this previously missing Thomas was the father of
Thomas, Jr. who signed the petition with him. A lot of this is shaky
but so is the first story.
We haven't dodged "the board" intentionally....there are just many
attachments and the board without a monitor is awfully difficult to work
on.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:49 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Meredith Poythress & Lewis & George
Yesterday, Maynard mentioned Thomas Poythress as being "the father of
Meredith, George, Lewis, and possibly other brothers..."
I need help, please, in refreshing of knowledge here: Do we have any
document that helps us *know* that Meredith was brother to George &/or
to Lewis? If so, what & where is that document? Thanks so much if you
can help with this.
Recapping here, we *know* Thomas Poythress was the father of Meredith
Poythress from:
Catherine Lindsay Knorr's 1953 volume "Marriage Bonds and Ministers'
Returns of Brunswick County, Virginia, 1750-1810" On p.66 an entry
indicates that on 22 Aug 1782, Meredith Poythress appeared, serving as
surety for John Morris who obtained a bond to marry Elizabeth Edwards,
daughter of Thomas Edwards, deceased. "Sur. [Surety] Meredith Poythress
who makes affidavit that Elizabeth Edwards lives at the home of his
father Thomas Poythress and is 23 years of age."
We also know that both father Thomas & son Meredith appeared in the
Brunswick Co, VA Personal Property Tax records of 1782-1787 that Teresa
Willis recapped for us on 16 Feb 1999 in a message that Teresa captioned
"1640 Thomas Poythress." (While Teresa's message didn't specify exact
years, she told us that Meredith was listed with just his own name,
while Thomas was listed with 2 polls -- i.e. 2 men of tithable age --
and with 6 slaves. There was no listing of either Lewis or George by
name in her listing of Poythress men in the counties of Brunswick,
Dinwiddie, Prince George, and Southhampton.)
Further recapping here, we *know* that George Poythress and Lewis
Poythress were brothers from:
the Jackson Co, FL Will that was written by George Poythress on 6
April 1829, which was recorded 19 July 1832 in Jackson Co, FL, and
labelled in the county's Loose Papers as being recorded in Book E, pp.
286-287. George refers to his brother Lewis, living in VA.
We know that Lewis Poythress lived in the Lower District of Mecklenburg
Co, VA where he was first listed in the VA Personal Property Tax records
in 1795 and where he usually appeared through 1845. (Mecklenburg County
and Brunswick County are adjacent counties along the southern edge of
VA.)
Thanks so much for any help.
Barbara (BPN)
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03/29/2005 11:17:20
George executor/administrator for Thomas Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, at taking the first crack at refreshing me. (My brain
has been far too tied up recently with non-Poythress stuff; sorry.)
It sounds from your message, like the critical document here, to aid my
understanding is the estate record that you mention of Thomas Poythress:
"George was son of Thomas (executor of Thomas' will with his (maybe)
mother Martha, known to be Thomas' wife, with a multitude of other
connections, just too many for it to be any other way)."
It must be I've just missed seeing anything that identified George as
being the *son* of Thomas in any mention of Thomas Poythress' estate
(and granted I've missed fully digesting lots of info in the last couple
of years, due to some family elder-care matters).
Please see my request at the bottom of this message.
I *have* found tonight (in Michael Tutor's great Feb 5, 2004 Poythress
Chronicles Word Perfect document -- Thank you, again, Michael!) several
mentions of George Poythress (copied below chronologically), but I see
nothing among these mentions to indicate George was the *son* (versus
the brother, or the cousin, etc) of Thomas Poythress.
The first two below-copied documents (in Prince George Co, VA) might
pertain to a different George Poythress from the other citations in GA
(or they might not be a different man -- just a long-lived one). The GA
mentions below of Geo. Poythress would be the same Geo. Poythress as the
George Poythress whose Will is recorded in FL, because the FL Will
refers to his "son John C. Poythress of Burke Co, GA" (i.e. John Carter
Poythress).
- Prince George County, Virginia, Minute Book 1737-1740. Feb 1739, p.
384. The Last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Poythress dced was
exhibited into court by her son George Poythress her executor who made
oath thereto and its being proved by the oath of Richard Bland gentl one
of the witnesses thereto is ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of
the said George Poythress certificate is granted him for obtaining
Probate of the said will in due form.
- Prince George County, Virginia, Minute Book 1737-1740. Jul 1739, p.
305. In suit by Thomas Eldridge attorney for our Sovereign Lord the King
against John Jones BB on 4 October 1738 BB on his plantation in Martins
Brandon Parish Afailing to hire an overseer as required by Act of the
Assembly and understating tithables,@ a Jury Empanelled includes (among
others) John Gilliam, Jr., George Poythress......defendant found guilty,
fined 1,000 lbs. of tobacco.
- 6 May 1800 Thomas Poythress, Sheriff of Burke County, Georgia, to
Barbara Vince, widow, (highest bidder $300) by suite of James Henderson
vs. estate of Jacob Griner. Witnesses: George Poythress, Jno. Mobley.
(Screven County, Deeds & Meetings, Vol. A, 1794-1810, pg.260.
- Thomas Poythress (1740-1800)
10 Nov 1800 Poythress, Thomas....administrators: Geo. Poythress, Patsy
Poythress, Columbia Museum & Augusta (Georgia) Chronicle, Notices of
Administrations.
- Thomas Poythress (1740-1800)
7 Mch 1801 Augusta (Georgia) Chronicle, issue of this date, pg. 2, col.
3: "Will be sold at public auction 15 April next, Waynesborough, 2
horses belonging to the estate of Thomas Poythress, deceased, etc. By
Geo. Poythress, Adm'r.
So my request is, can someone please share with all of us on the
Poythress-List an email that quotes & cites an estate matter involving
Thomas Poythress (who lived from about 1740-1800) which identifies
George Poythress as the son of Thomas? My apologies if this has been
done before & it sounds like I'm trying to re-invent the wheel. Any help
with this will be greatly appreciated.
Barbara (BPN)
03/29/2005 11:46:22
RE: George executor/administrator for Thomas Poythress
John M. Poythress
Barb, you and others I hope have the Thomas timeline I did quite some
time ago. I trust it is sufficient for the claimed 99.9% inference of
the connection between George and "a" Thomas. I'll send you a copy
since I can't put an attachment on a Rootsweb wire and will send a copy
to any who need it if they'll shoot me an email. It is not complete in
terms of every single factoid but I have found nothing more to either
contradict it or support it.
As far as the requirement to nail down matters even past some magical
point of ontological certainty, I'm with Dr. Hall in his statement made
back in the 1940's:
"To clearly differentiate the early John Poythresses is a difficult
problem, but we will endeavor to show from the foregoing records certain
facts relative to the John Poythresses who lived preceding and following
1700, and for better study we group the records under three headings.
After giving the studied results of the groupings, we will give certain
speculation thereon. Scientific speculations are permissible, and any
hypothesis is allowable for it is simply an attempt to explain the known
facts which exist. When it becomes acceptable to the scientific world
it becomes a theory of the day, and holds until a fact is discovered
which runs contrawise. The theory passes, another hypothesis arises,
becomes accepted and a new theory reigns. This is science and knowledge
expands and continues to grow. This is our problem with the Poythresses
and if you so wish to term it the Poythress Puzzle. We do not expect to
solve it but in the repercussion following new facts will doubtless
arise from the interested descendents of the Poythress and allied
families. The result will be increased and more accurate family
knowledge and that is our desire in these studies."
Golly, how true. We see errors today in Dr. Hall's admirable work just
because he did not have such and such a will that we now have. And I
truly hope that 50 or 60 years hence some researcher will improve on our
stuff and say what a pity those folks didn't have such and such a will
or deed or whatever it is that he or she uses to transcend our stuff.
In any event the direct answer to your question is that I don't have
absolute certainty in the matter of George's relationship to Thomas. As
a working hypothesis, we have previously assumed father/son. However a
case could be made for brother depending on "which" Thomas. The
circumstances just seem to cry out for another Thomas to be in that
line, the first Thomas being the father of George, Meredith, Lewis,
William, etc. We KNOW there WAS a Thomas, Jr....it's just that he
himself is a bit slippery as to who his father was....assuming there
were "two" Thomases.
Why? Assume the "one" Thomas we have looked at is the "only" Thomas and
he was born ca 1730:
1. given the concurrent court records in GA and VA the guy needs a
airline shuttle.
2. does a guy with no legal background deemed by a jury to be "a gambler
and a nuisance to this county" get elected sheriff 8 or 9 years later?
3. does a 60 year old guy pick up almost his whole family and move 500
miles via oxcart or whatever?
4. what are the probabilities of a guy born in 1730 leaving
an "orphan" to draw in a land lottery at age 70?
5. the Thomas in Brunswick 1780's looks to be a double...he's buying and
selling huge chunks of property for real money and at the same time he's
giving shaky paper for 50 acres and nobody can find him because he has
"absconded to the Tombigbee (or however they spelled it) territory."
Just off the wall, how about a Thomas "in the middle" b. about 1756 who
has some legal training (called "esq.") being the one who moves to
Georgia with brothers George, Meredith, etc. ....and wife Martha..gets
elected sheriff because he has some amount of legal training..and dies
early enough to leave an orphan (MEAPDO)...and has a son named Thomas,
Jr.
Does anyone have any thoughts along those lines?
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:46 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: George executor/administrator for Thomas Poythress
Thanks, Maynard, at taking the first crack at refreshing me. (My brain
has been far too tied up recently with non-Poythress stuff; sorry.)
It sounds from your message, like the critical document here, to aid my
understanding is the estate record that you mention of Thomas Poythress:
"George was son of Thomas (executor of Thomas' will with his (maybe)
mother Martha, known to be Thomas' wife, with a multitude of other
connections, just too many for it to be any other way)."
It must be I've just missed seeing anything that identified George as
being the *son* of Thomas in any mention of Thomas Poythress' estate
(and granted I've missed fully digesting lots of info in the last couple
of years, due to some family elder-care matters).
Please see my request at the bottom of this message.
I *have* found tonight (in Michael Tutor's great Feb 5, 2004 Poythress
Chronicles Word Perfect document -- Thank you, again, Michael!) several
mentions of George Poythress (copied below chronologically), but I see
nothing among these mentions to indicate George was the *son* (versus
the brother, or the cousin, etc) of Thomas Poythress.
The first two below-copied documents (in Prince George Co, VA) might
pertain to a different George Poythress from the other citations in GA
(or they might not be a different man -- just a long-lived one). The GA
mentions below of Geo. Poythress would be the same Geo. Poythress as the
George Poythress whose Will is recorded in FL, because the FL Will
refers to his "son John C. Poythress of Burke Co, GA" (i.e. John Carter
Poythress).
- Prince George County, Virginia, Minute Book 1737-1740. Feb 1739, p.
384. The Last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Poythress dced was
exhibited into court by her son George Poythress her executor who made
oath thereto and its being proved by the oath of Richard Bland gentl one
of the witnesses thereto is ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of
the said George Poythress certificate is granted him for obtaining
Probate of the said will in due form.
- Prince George County, Virginia, Minute Book 1737-1740. Jul 1739, p.
305. In suit by Thomas Eldridge attorney for our Sovereign Lord the King
against John Jones BB on 4 October 1738 BB on his plantation in Martins
Brandon Parish Afailing to hire an overseer as required by Act of the
Assembly and understating tithables,@ a Jury Empanelled includes (among
others) John Gilliam, Jr., George Poythress......defendant found guilty,
fined 1,000 lbs. of tobacco.
- 6 May 1800 Thomas Poythress, Sheriff of Burke County, Georgia, to
Barbara Vince, widow, (highest bidder $300) by suite of James Henderson
vs. estate of Jacob Griner. Witnesses: George Poythress, Jno. Mobley.
(Screven County, Deeds & Meetings, Vol. A, 1794-1810, pg.260.
- Thomas Poythress (1740-1800)
10 Nov 1800 Poythress, Thomas....administrators: Geo. Poythress, Patsy
Poythress, Columbia Museum & Augusta (Georgia) Chronicle, Notices of
Administrations.
- Thomas Poythress (1740-1800)
7 Mch 1801 Augusta (Georgia) Chronicle, issue of this date, pg. 2, col.
3: "Will be sold at public auction 15 April next, Waynesborough, 2
horses belonging to the estate of Thomas Poythress, deceased, etc. By
Geo. Poythress, Adm'r.
So my request is, can someone please share with all of us on the
Poythress-List an email that quotes & cites an estate matter involving
Thomas Poythress (who lived from about 1740-1800) which identifies
George Poythress as the son of Thomas? My apologies if this has been
done before & it sounds like I'm trying to re-invent the wheel. Any help
with this will be greatly appreciated.
Barbara (BPN)
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03/30/2005 2:44:08
George
John M. Poythress
I forgot to answer this part. I'm confident George the son and executor
of Elizabeth Poythress' will of 1740 is a different George.
If he's 21 in 1740, he's not likely to live until 1832...making him 113
at death.
MP
03/30/2005 2:52:21
Re: DNA Project
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Teresa!
Barbara (BPN)
Teresa Willis wrote:
> Barbara,
> This reminded me, that I should try to talk to my uncles again to see if
> one of them would possible have the DNA test. One of them was talking
> about it, but I haven't spoken to him lately. As soon as tax season is
> over I will try to get back to that. Maybe if neither of my uncles are
> willing to follow through, one of my Poythress cousins would be. I'll
> try to get in touch with them soon.
> Sorry not to have done this sooner,
> Teresa
03/30/2005 10:54:11
Re: George
HScherer
Hi, Maynard and All--In the Grave Markers of Burke County book, p 242: pub
1974
Poythress, John Carter Sep 14, 1796 Sep 12 1862
s/o Hetty Carter (the d/o Alexander Carter, Esq.) & Major George Poythress
of Virginia. Major Poythress md a second time, so that John C. had a
half-sister, Mary Elizabeth Poythress. She married Addison Mandell. Their
son was George A Mandell, h/o Mrs Mary E Mandell. John C md a Miss Morris,
a sis/o Wm S C Morris. In his will, Will Bk A, 207-09, John C excluded his
nephew, George A., and left his property to his wife's niece, Maria B M
McIntosh (the d/o WM S C Morris), and to his nephew's wife, Mrs Mary E
Mandell and her daughter, Annie R Mandell (Munnerlyn). In the settlement of
John C's large estate, the historic Carter-Poythress House, with all its
fine silver and furniture, passed into the hands of Mrs Mandell and
intimately to Mrs Munnerlyn. Thus the house for decades became known as the
Munnerlyn House (ed.)" Can you place Major George Poythress in this? I am
interested in finding the father of MEAPDO, too. She's my ancestor.
Harriet
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Subject: George
>I forgot to answer this part. I'm confident George the son and executor
> of Elizabeth Poythress' will of 1740 is a different George.
> If he's 21 in 1740, he's not likely to live until 1832...making him 113
> at death.
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03/30/2005 12:33:01
Re: DNA Project
Teresa Willis
Barbara,
This reminded me, that I should try to talk to my uncles again to see if one
of them would possible have the DNA test. One of them was talking about it,
but I haven't spoken to him lately. As soon as tax season is over I will
try to get back to that. Maybe if neither of my uncles are willing to
follow through, one of my Poythress cousins would be. I'll try to get in
touch with them soon.
Sorry not to have done this sooner,
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: DNA Project
> Maynard's questions yesterday were amazingly-timed. Early today, our
> Poythress-surnamed Y-DNA Project has just gotten the test results of the
> 12-marker test on one additional Poythress-surnamed male.
>
> Frankly, I'm very surprised that this most-recently tested Poythress man's
> test results differ slightly (by one digit, on one marker) from the test
> results on the same 12 markers for all 7 men who were tested earlier. The
> earlier 7 men were all identical on those 12 markers.
>
> The experts at FamilyTreeDNA calculate that all 8 Poythress-surnamed men
> who have participated so far in our Study likely share a common ancestor
> at some point.
>
> However, my understanding is that I am not sure we *can* say as you
> hypothesize "that in all probability that he [the common male ancestor of
> the 7 so far] is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
> possibly other brothers..."
>
> Yes, we need more Poythress-surnamed males to be tested. It would
> especially help if a man would be tested, who we *know* is descended from
> Lewis Poythress, versus others who have been tested who we *think* is
> descended from him.
>
> I hope to offer more analysis later, but will today be sending a separate
> message to the List asking for help with a related matter first.
>
> Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
> Group Administrator of the Poythress-Surnamed Y-DNA Study
>
> 3/28/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> > Barbara, I continue to get newsletters from Family Tree about DNA
> studies. While I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand everything
> they say, I do get the drift that they are mostly repeating
> themselves...no doubt in part trying to sell more tests.
> >
> > Is my understanding correct that until more male Poythresses come out
> of the woodwork willing to submit samples that we just aren't going to
> make any more substantative progress?
> >
> > Would I be correct in saying that what we did learn was that just
> about all of us who participated in the tests to one degree or another
> (for almost certain) share a common male ancestor and that in all
> probability he is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
> possibly other brothers who are not males from whom any of us have
> descended? If that's true, it's my feeling that that alone was worth the
> price of admission.
> >
> > If there's no more juice in the DNA project, would you think it's time
> for a non-technical explanation of what we did get so that each of us
> will understand the status quo and the possible outcomes/potential of
> future testing of others? And would you be so kind as to knock out such
> a summary?
> >
> > And if you feel otherwise, say that too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Maynard
>
>
>
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03/30/2005 12:38:36
William Poythress - son of George & Hetty Carter
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for sharing your message to your brother David ("George
Et Al") and thanks, too, for all the compiling of info in your various
Timelines.
From the George Et Al message, re the statement: "George and Hetty had
gone to Savannah to celebrate the Christmas wedding of their oldest son
William who later dies at about 1828, likely TB"
I sure would appreciate it if you'll please point me to where info was
found about this William Poythress, who died about 1828, and was
apparently identified as a son of George Poythress & Hetty Carter? Maybe
this is delineated in the book of gravemarkers from Burke County? or
where? Is there a birth year for him, or an age at death? I'd like to
know what all is known about him.
Thanks again so much.
Barbara (BPN)
03/31/2005 2:15:21
George ET AL
John M. Poythress
Since the subject has come up, here is possibly some anecdotal material
of interest. Mike Tudor had asked me the first question and the rest is
the supposed story:
Was John Poythress killed in the war?..........Mike
I'm almost certain he was not..there is considerable evidence that he
was asthmatic and made some trips to a sanitarium.does one inherit TB?
I doubt it but if so then the Carters might have given him the gene.
And besides, in the 1850 census he's 49 so he's 52 when the war
starts..not too old if he's a "real" major but too old for a guy with
his money and resources and the suggestion of frail health.
Below are the notes I sent to my brother David who doesn't give a hoot
for genealogy except for the amusing anecdotes from time to time:
David: many thanks for the article on the Carter-Munnerlyn house.
There is an interesting history behind all of this.
George Poythress (alledged brother of our Meredith) was about as broke
as any of them when he married Hetty Carter over the opposition of
Hetty's rich father Alexander Carter. Alexander the father dies and
daughter Hetty is the first inheritor, then Hetty dies about 1819 of
typus and is buried in the typhus section of the Savannah City cemetery.
George and Hetty had gone to Savannah to celebrate the Christmas wedding
of their oldest son William who later dies at about 1828, likely TB.
George takes a huge inheritance and makes it even huger..he seems to
have owned a sizable chunk of Burke, Wilkinson and other counties.
George buys some Florida land and for some reason goes to Jackson
County, FL territory (now Tallahassee environs) to die. George was
preceded there by a James S. Poythress from Screven County whom we have
never gotten a handle on.but maybe he was going to take care of George
in his old age. George's will about 1832 cites his brother Lewis
Poythress who has remained in Mecklenburg County, VA.
Circumstantially, Meredith is a brother of Lewis and thereby a brother
of George (with whom Meredith also has a few "family-looking"
transactions) who is also a brother of Lewis, Thomas Poythress being the
father of all 3. That's the theory anyway.
John C. Poythress is son of George and Hetty and he inherits the
enhanced fortune from George. As for being a "Major" that was likely an
honorary title or perhaps one of those militia titles they passed out
pretty freely. He not only "organized" the Poythress volunteers, he
financed the whole deal. At his death in 1862 he was reported to be one
of the largest holders of Confederate bonds in Georgia.
Attached is my transcription of John Carter Poythress' will. This is a
big time rare document since almost nothing remains of the Burke County
records of the time. The courthouse has burned 3 times, ironically none
attributable to Sherman. The story goes that a court clerk had taken
home some loose papers to put in order and that night the courthouse
burned..and John C.'s will was one of the loose papers.
The will itself is sort of humorous. Obviously, John C. was not
enthralled with his son in law.
Mike, in a glaring omission to David since he is a military type, I
should have given him the war story. As those companies reassigned in
the early years of the war the Poythress Volunteers wound up in the 2nd
and 20th Georgia. From those ranks
came the 300 or so guys who got up in the rocks and trees sniping from
the southern side of Burnside's bridge at Sharpsburg. The Yankees
apparently never figured out that Antietam Creek was only about a foot
or so deep so 13 regiments of the Federal IX Corps tried in succession
to crowd across a bridge that looks to be about 15' wide..so the
Confederates just mowed 'em down from behind the rocks for about 5 hours
which was enough time covering Lee's retreat to get the rest of his guys
out of there when he figured out that McClellan already had his (Lee's)
plans and order of battle. My memory bone says Sharpsburg was Sept.,
1862 so John C., dying in July, never got the news. Pretty decent
account of this in Tucker's "Burnside's Bridge, The Climatic Struggle of
the 2nd and 20th Georgia at Antietam Creek."
You now have your official ration of trivia for the day.
MP
The will in question:
Poythress, John Carter, Will of 25 July 1862
Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870, pgs. 207-209
GDAH Drawer 115/Roll 21, Transcription by John M. Poythress
State of Georgia
I, John C. Poythress, of the county of Burke and said State being of
sound and disposing mind and memory do make ordain and establish this to
be my last will and testament hereby revoking all others made by me.
Item 1. I desire my body to be buried in a decent and proper manner
suitable to my administrators, my soul I trust will return to God who
gave it.
Item 2. I desire all my just debts to be paid as early as practicable
after my death.
Item 3. I bequeath to my niece Marian B. McIntosh the daughter of
William S. C. Morris of the county of Burke all my Confederate Bonds
such as I now have and such as I may hereafter acquire.
Item 4. The rest and residue of my estate both real and personal I
devise and bequeath unto my Executors and Trustees hereinafter named in
trust to be kept together to manage for the use and behoof of my niece
Mary E. Mandell and her daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained
separate, and exempt from the control, management, and direction or use
in any way whatever of her husband George A. Mandell. And to be so held
until the marriage either of said Mary E. or said Ann E. R. (should said
Mary E. ever again marry).
Item 5. In the event of the marriage of either then I direct an equal
division to be made between them share and share alike.
Item 6. The share of said Ann E. R. Mandell to be hers forever in fee
simple.
Item 7. The share of said Mary E. to be hers for and during her natural
life only unless she should again marry some other person than said
George A. In the event of her again so marrying then said share to be
hers in fee simple forever. But should she not again marry then at her
death I devise and bequeath her said share to Ann E. R. in fee simple
forever.
Item 8. I devise and direct that such part of my estate be at my death
jointly at work and use upon the plantation remain his on station
Augusta and Savannah Rail Road in said Burke County with property
belonging to William S. C. Morris be continued and in the same way and
under the same management which with between him and myself so long as
he may prefer, it being part of the legacy to my said nieces Mary E. and
Ann E. R.
Item 9. I do hereby constitute and appoint William S. C. Morris, James
H. Regals and Edward A. Carter, Jr. of said county of Burke, Executors
and trustees of my last will and testament.
John C. Poythress /ls/
July 25, 1862
As witnesses signed, published and declared by testator to be his last
will and testament in presence of us who attested and subscribed the
same at his request in his presence and in the presence of each other.
Eliza Carruthers
Victoria Varner
Charlotte Carter
John S. Shoemake
Personally appeared in open court this day James H. Regals, one of the
executors of the last will and testament of John C. Poythress, late of
said county deceased and also John S. Shoemake one of the witnesses of
said will which said (witness being sworn) that he saw said John C.
Poythress sign, seal and publish and declare the said testimonial as his
last will and testament voluntarily and without compulsion, that he was
of sound mind and reasoning and said testator signed thereupon in the
presence of the other witnesses Victoria Varner, Charlotte Carter and
Elizabeth Carruthers..that the witnesses signed the same as such in the
presence of said testator and each other.
John S. Shoemake
Signed to & Subscribed
This 6 October 1862
Jas. A. Shoemake, CBC
This last will and testament of John C. Poythress late of Burke County
having been presented by James H. Regals one of the executors therein
and duely proven in common form by the testimony of John S. Shoemake one
of the subscribing witnesses thereto on motion of said executor James H.
Regals it is ordered that said will be admitted to access and that
letters testamentary do issue to the therein named except Edward A.
Carter & to him upon his arrival at age (21 years) upon his taking the
oath as Executor unencumbered by law. And it is further ordered that
upon such letters testamentary having been issued a warrant of
appraisement be issued to Thomas H. Blount, Edward J. Carter, John I.
Jones, Edward Beque and Elisha Watkins authorizing them or a majority of
them to appraise the estate of said deceased in terms of the law.
Historical notes & comments (to the best of the transcriber's knowledge)
* Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870 survived one of the several fires
at the Burke County Courthouse only because a clerk had taken the book
home to do some work on loose papers.
03/31/2005 4:40:56
Re: George
Barbara P. Neal
The "George Poythress" who Maynard & Harriet & I are referring to this
week, is indeed also known as Major George Poythress. He died after
signing his 1829 Will and prior to it being recorded in 1832 in Jackson
County, Florida. Major George Poythress was the father of John Carter
Poythress and of John C's half-sister Mary Elizabeth (nee Poythress)
Mandell, later Mary Elizabeth (nee Poythress) Cheeseborough. I'll
re-post a transcription I did some years ago of his Will along with some
summarized info from a resulting court case.
Harriet, do you have available the full name of the mother of Mary
Elizabeth (nee Poythress) first Mandell & later Cheeseborough? You
mention that she is your ancestor, so I'm hoping you can cast some
further light here. I have no name whatsoever for Mary Elizabeth's
mother, who was the 2nd wife of Major George Poythress.
Also re Mary Elizabeth herself, have you any birth & death years for
her? I'm also curious to learn more about her children -- apparently
there were at least two children? -- George A. Mandell, and the daughter
you mentioned, Annie R. (nee Mandell) Munnerlyn. If you could share any
dates of their lives, and any names & dates of any other children of
Mary Elizabeth, I sure would appreciate it. It would make her own life
more clear, and she has long been a mystery.
Have you been able to locate a Will or any other Estate proceedings for
her? Presumably Mary Elizabeth died wherever she lived. Perhaps she died
in Florida: in the estate packet of her father's estate, were some of
the receipts she signed for proceeds of the crops of various years. She
signed some of them in Marianna, which is the county seat in Jackson
County, FL, and others just in Jackson Co.
Thanks for any light you can shed on this mystery woman, daughter of
Major George Poythress.
Barbara (BPN)
03/31/2005 12:19:36
Estate matters of George Poythress in FL & GA
Barbara P. Neal
Below the following transcribed will of George Poythress is further
information from George's estate proceedings in Burke Co, GA (see
citation below for that matter).
The Will of George Poythress, Testator, written 6 April 1829, recorded
19 July 1832 in Jackson Co, FL, labelled in the county's Loose Papers as
being recorded in Will Book E, pp.286-287, as transcribed from the
original Will by Barbara Poythress Neal for the Poythress-List
(originally posted 3 Dec 2000, captioned "George P will & comments."
Transcript of the Will (from the original, signed with all the different
signatures), outside of which says that it was "Recorded in Book E, page
286 & 287 this 19th day of July 1832. H.N. Nowland, Clk."Territory of
Florida, County of Jackson"
Will of George Poythress, Jackson County, Florida
In the name of God Amen. I George Poythress of the Territory and County
aforesaid calling to mind that all men must die and wishing to dispose
of my worldly Estate do make and ordain this as my last will and
Testament in Manner and form following to wit Item 1st I give and
bequeath unto my Son John Carter Poythress my tract of Land lying and
being in the County of Burk in the State of Georgia Known as the Rocky
Creek Plantation to him and his heirs and assigns forever Item 2nd I
give and bequeath unto John C. Poythress of Burk County in the state of
Georgia and my friend James W. Exum of Jackson County West Florida whom
I hereby nominate create and appoint Executors of this my last Will and
Testament in trust as such executors all the remaining part of my Estate
real & Personal both in Law and Equity with all monies and evidences of
Debts due me to them & their heirs Executors and Administrators, But
upon this special trust and confidence and for the purposes hereinafter
mentioned, That is to say to suffer and permit my daughter Mary
Elizabeth Mandell receive and use to her sole and separate use free from
the controle or contracts of her husband or husbands the income and
profits of my saidEstate for and during her natural life. And I do
hereby declare that my said daughter's separate receipt notwithstanding
her said coverture shall be a sufficient & legal discharge to the said
Trustees for the Income of said property so paid over to her from time
to time. And it is further my will and desire that should my said
daughter have a child or children living at her death then & in that
case I give and bequeath said Estate Real & Personal herein conveyed to
said Child or children and to them their heirs and assigns forever - But
if my said daughter depart this life without having a child or children
living at her death then and in that case it is my will and desire that
my said Estate real and personal after my daughter's death without
children living go to and I do bequeath the same to such children of my
Brother Lewis of the State of Virginia as may be living at the death of
my Daughter.
I do hereby nominate and appoint my Son John Carter Poythress and my
friend James W. Exum my Executors to carry this my last will into effect
hereby revoking all former wills made by me
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this
Sixth day of April In the year of our Lord 1829 --
Geo Poythress
Signed Sealed and Executed In the presence of us who sign the same in
the presence of the Testator and in the presence of each other
Wm. J. Mauldin
Robert Ross
H. D. Stone
= = = =
BPN Notes:
George Poythress, died in Jackson County, Florida (at that time Jackson
County, Territory of Florida) apparently more than 3 years after making
his will (signed on 6 April 1829): around July 1832. William Mauldin,
Esqr, who had witnessed it, swore on 19 July 1832 in Jackson County
Territory of Florida that George signed it in the presence of him and
the other two witnesses, Robert Ross, and H.D. Stone.
In the Jackson Co, FL estate packet of her father's estate, were some of
the receipts that his daughter, Mary Elizabeth (nee Poythress) Mandell,
signed for proceeds of the crops of various years. She signed some of
them in Marianna, which is the county seat in Jackson County, FL, and
others just in Jackson Co.
In Burke Co, Georgia's record book "Equity Records 1834-1852" pp. 77-87
for 1848 (Family History Library film #222,856), are 11 pages of
material in the matter of "Poythress vs. Cheesborough."
In those 11 pages, George's Will (as already transcribed above) appears
as Exhibit A, and a lengthy inventory of George's property appears as
Exhibit B, all of which is in the Burke Co Clerk's difficult-to-read
handwriting.
It is stated in those court proceedings by John C. Poythress (who was
named in George's will as his son, and as his executor along with
another executor James W. Exum) that Mary Mandell, "now Mary
Cheesborough" (who was named in George's will as his daughter) is his
(John's) half sister.
It is further stated in the Burke Co, GA court proceeding, by the way,
that Mary's "maternal uncle" is Alexander L. Lawson, who they finally
settled on to be Trustee for Mary after John C. was getting too feeble
to want to do it any more, which seems to be the cause for this court
action.
It mentions in the Burke Co, GA inventory and accounting of George's
estate, when listing EXPENSES paid out of the estate, a "Richmond
Factory" not further identified. I note that Richmond County, GA was
formed in 1777 (same year as Burke County was formed), immediately north
of Burke County. Apparently this referred to some factory that was in
Richmond County, GA. Each year for several years a sum around 60
(pounds?) was paid out to the factory according to the accounting.
Though I had initially wondered whether the factory could've been in
Richmond, VA, or elsewhere, I now feel sure that if the factory was in
some state other than Georgia, where the estate proceeding was taking
place, its location would've been made more clear. There does not appear
to be (or have been) a Richmond in Florida.
03/31/2005 12:47:48
Re: DNA Project
stevew602
OK now you folks have got us Walls courious. If I understand this right, and if Lou is right about the Poythress-Wall connection, we should be able to prove his assertion, right? How much does it cost?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
Sent: Mar 29, 2005 8:16 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: DNA Project
Maynard's questions yesterday were amazingly-timed. Early today, our
Poythress-surnamed Y-DNA Project has just gotten the test results of the
12-marker test on one additional Poythress-surnamed male.
Frankly, I'm very surprised that this most-recently tested Poythress
man's test results differ slightly (by one digit, on one marker) from
the test results on the same 12 markers for all 7 men who were tested
earlier. The earlier 7 men were all identical on those 12 markers.
The experts at FamilyTreeDNA calculate that all 8 Poythress-surnamed men
who have participated so far in our Study likely share a common ancestor
at some point.
However, my understanding is that I am not sure we *can* say as you
hypothesize "that in all probability that he [the common male ancestor
of the 7 so far] is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
possibly other brothers..."
Yes, we need more Poythress-surnamed males to be tested. It would
especially help if a man would be tested, who we *know* is descended
from Lewis Poythress, versus others who have been tested who we *think*
is descended from him.
I hope to offer more analysis later, but will today be sending a
separate message to the List asking for help with a related matter first.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
Group Administrator of the Poythress-Surnamed Y-DNA Study
3/28/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barbara, I continue to get newsletters from Family Tree about DNA
studies. While I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand everything
they say, I do get the drift that they are mostly repeating
themselves...no doubt in part trying to sell more tests.
>
> Is my understanding correct that until more male Poythresses come out
of the woodwork willing to submit samples that we just aren't going to
make any more substantative progress?
>
> Would I be correct in saying that what we did learn was that just
about all of us who participated in the tests to one degree or another
(for almost certain) share a common male ancestor and that in all
probability he is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis, and
possibly other brothers who are not males from whom any of us have
descended? If that's true, it's my feeling that that alone was worth
the price of admission.
>
> If there's no more juice in the DNA project, would you think it's time
for a non-technical explanation of what we did get so that each of us
will understand the status quo and the possible outcomes/potential of
future testing of others? And would you be so kind as to knock out such
a summary?
>
> And if you feel otherwise, say that too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
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Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Steve & anyone else curious about the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study -
I am Barbara Poythress Neal, and I serve as the volunteer Group
Administrator of our Study. The nature of any Y-DNA test is that it
checks markers that men got passed on to them from only their father, &
their father's father, etc, on back in time. Y-DNA is *not* passed on
to the next generation from a father to a daughter.
Thus, *if* the Wall men and the Poythress men descend from one common
male ancestor, then we could expect to see some connection thru the
small portion of the Y-DNA for the respective families' men. (If y'all
WALLs think the Wall men and the Poythress men descend from one common
male ancestor, please email me to explain it to me; you don't have to
answer here on the whole Poythress-List of researchers unless you just
want to do so. My email is bp_neal@earthlink.net)
The costs of DNA testing varies by how many markers are checked. Most of
the men in our study have done the 25-marker Y-DNA test, and one has
done the 12-marker Y-DNA test. Nowadays (versus when we began our Study
in the Summer of 2003) it is even possible to check *more* than 25
markers for similarities: now 37 markers can be checked the first time.
Whichever # of markers are tested, it is far less expensive to have it
done as part of a surname study than just as an individual.
And at any time, a man who has had the 12-marker test, or the 25-marker
test, can send an additional payment in to the company to have
additional markers checked from his initial test swab.
The test-kit contains a swab with which the man wipes the inside of his
cheek -- I've seen it described by some as being similar to wiping the
inside of his mouth with a toothbrush. Thus it is not invasive.
The costs of the various tests (both initial tests & the "upgrading"
tests to higher numbers of markers), and a lot more information about
DNA and DNA-testing, is available at the website of the highly respected
& reputable company that has conducted our testing to date, Family Tree
DNA:
http://www.familytreedna.com/
At their website, in the upper right corner of the homepage, type the
surname you are interested in, and it will take you to the page that
tells you more about that surname's study. It's interesting to just
browse thru the alphabet to see the listings of all the hundreds of
surnames currently have Surname Studies going on. For example, if you
type in "Wall" you'll see various surnames that begin with those 4
letters & there you can click on each to read about them.
If you type in "Poythress" you will see our Poythress study, and can
read more about it. And you'll see any other study that has any interest
in accepting Poythress-surnamed men as part of their study.
If anyone has additional questions, please feel free to email me
separately if you like.
Best regards,
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
bp_neal@earthlink.net
4/1/2005 stevew602 wrote:
> OK now you folks have got us Walls courious. If I understand this
> right, and if Lou is right about the Poythress-Wall connection, we
> should be able to prove his assertion, right? How much does it cost?
>
>
>
> Steve -----Original Message----- From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Sent: Mar 29, 2005 8:16 AM To:
> POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: DNA Project
>
> Maynard's questions yesterday were amazingly-timed. Early today, our
> Poythress-surnamed Y-DNA Project has just gotten the test results of
> the 12-marker test on one additional Poythress-surnamed male.
>
> Frankly, I'm very surprised that this most-recently tested Poythress
> man's test results differ slightly (by one digit, on one marker)
> from the test results on the same 12 markers for all 7 men who were
> tested earlier. The earlier 7 men were all identical on those 12
> markers.
>
> The experts at FamilyTreeDNA calculate that all 8 Poythress-surnamed
> men who have participated so far in our Study likely share a common
> ancestor at some point.
>
> However, my understanding is that I am not sure we *can* say as you
> hypothesize "that in all probability that he [the common male
> ancestor of the 7 so far] is Thomas the father of Meredith, George,
> Lewis, and possibly other brothers..."
>
> Yes, we need more Poythress-surnamed males to be tested. It would
> especially help if a man would be tested, who we *know* is descended
> from Lewis Poythress, versus others who have been tested who we
> *think* is descended from him.
>
> I hope to offer more analysis later, but will today be sending a
> separate message to the List asking for help with a related matter
> first.
>
> Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short) Group Administrator of the
> Poythress-Surnamed Y-DNA Study
>
> 3/28/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
>> Barbara, I continue to get newsletters from Family Tree about DNA
> studies. While I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand everything
> they say, I do get the drift that they are mostly repeating
> themselves...no doubt in part trying to sell more tests.
>>
>> Is my understanding correct that until more male Poythresses come
>> out
> of the woodwork willing to submit samples that we just aren't going
> to make any more substantative progress?
>>
>> Would I be correct in saying that what we did learn was that just
> about all of us who participated in the tests to one degree or
> another (for almost certain) share a common male ancestor and that in
> all probability he is Thomas the father of Meredith, George, Lewis,
> and possibly other brothers who are not males from whom any of us
> have descended? If that's true, it's my feeling that that alone was
> worth the price of admission.
>>
>> If there's no more juice in the DNA project, would you think it's
>> time
> for a non-technical explanation of what we did get so that each of us
> will understand the status quo and the possible outcomes/potential
> of future testing of others? And would you be so kind as to knock
> out such a summary?
>>
>> And if you feel otherwise, say that too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Maynard
04/01/2005 8:59:49
VGS Seminar 31 July-4 August
John M. Poythress
Hey guys, I'm think about doing this one. Anybody want to join me as
roommate and save 75 bucks off the single rate.
Details, registration form, etc. are on the website at vgs.org ...
Maynard
04/02/2005 7:56:01
Re: VGS Seminar 31 July-4 August
Barbara P. Neal
Hi All,
I too, am planning to sign up for it (Virginia Institute of Genealogical
Research), but I'll pass up rooming with you, Maynard Maybe we
can have a Poythress reunion of sorts on that Sunday 8/31 at noon-time
in Richmond, since VIGR doesn't begin until 4pm that day.
As Maynard said, details, registration form, etc for VIGR are on the VA
Genealogical Society website:
http://www.vgs.org
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
04/02/2005 8:32:54
Mapping site
John M. Poythress
Below is off the Henrico site today..it's pretty highly specialized but
if you're in the market for one it appears to be a dandy:
The following website came across on Cyndi's list and I wanted to share
it because it's great for tracking years of County boundaries in
Virginia. Tami Ramsey
URL:
http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/virginia/viewer.htm
TITLE: Virginia Historical Counties
DESCRIPTION: Provides on-demand, printable, large-scale maps of
every
boundary change of every county and independent city of Virginia. User
chooses any day and month from 1634 to 2000 and can zoom in or out or
alter the map in other ways. An easy-to-use HELP file and supplementary
texts support the maps. From the Newberry Library.
04/03/2005 5:41:57
Re: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
Teresa Willis
Barbara,
I'm sorry I wasn't clear on Willie T. Poythress being founder. Pleasant
Hill split off from another church in 1915 when
the building(where it is now) was built, that is the church I was refering
to that Willie T. was one of the founders of.
Before this, the church was just in a brush abor on a hillside near Pea Hill
Creek (for baptisms). When the church split
our people went about 2 miles down the road to present site, and built the
structure I referred to earlier.
This puts Willie T at 32 (or there about). The original church was founded
in 1879 ( I looked this up, it was not 1886)
Sorry for the misunderstanding,
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
> Hi Teresa -
> The website for the National Register of Historic Places has lots of
> helpful info for you:
>
> http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/welcome.html
>
> Down at the bottom of their home page, click on Frequently Asked Questions
> & read thru that material first. Then from the home page, click on
> Register Forms (also at the bottom of the home page).
>
> Please let us know what town in Brunswick Co, VA is closest to Pleasant
> Hill Christian Church. Apparently the town has a different name; I checked
> Mapquest for the location of Pleasant Hill, VA and the town by that name
> is far away, in Tazewell Co. Thanks.
>
> Does the church maintain a list of all its founders? If so, *please* let
> us know the names of *all* the Poythresses on the list. (I realize there
> would be other Poythresses listed since Willie T. Poythress was only 4 yrs
> old in 1886.) And if there are any baptismal dates &/or dates of joining
> the church &/or dates of weddings or burials there of Poythress folks,
> we'd love to learn of them.
>
> Thanks & good luck.
> Barbara
>
> Teresa Willis wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I am wondering
> > how old a building has to be before it can be declared a historic
> > site or place. Maybe if I tell the story it would help. The church I
> > was raised in, Pleasant Hill Christian Church, is going to build on
> > to the exsisting church building. The church was established in
> > 1886(?) and the location of the church now is where it has been
> > since 1915. The actual core building was built in 1915 and then it
> > has added to 3 other times. But the first part still stands and is in
> > great shape. New members of the church have proposed to level the old
> > 1915 building to add an addition, and where the old church stood they
> > will have a parking lot. To say the least the old families are all
> > out of sorts about this, and I guess my question is: Is there a way
> > to declare a building a historical marker and save it from ever being
> > detroyed? They are going to build a 3 million dollar church building,
> > but don't want to try to save this beautiful old structure. If it
> > were falling down I could understand, but that is not the case. And
> > by the way Willie T. Poythress (Lewis' line was a
> > founders of this congregation.
> > so myfamily has attended there for over a hundred years. And for
> > those that don't know this is Brunswick County VA.
> >
> > Thanks for any imput you all may have, Teresa
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
04/04/2005 2:45:18
Pleasant Hill Christian Church
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Teresa -
The website for the National Register of Historic Places has lots of
helpful info for you:
Down at the bottom of their home page, click on Frequently Asked
Questions & read thru that material first. Then from the home page,
click on Register Forms (also at the bottom of the home page).
Please let us know what town in Brunswick Co, VA is closest to Pleasant
Hill Christian Church. Apparently the town has a different name; I
checked Mapquest for the location of Pleasant Hill, VA and the town by
that name is far away, in Tazewell Co. Thanks.
Does the church maintain a list of all its founders? If so, *please* let
us know the names of *all* the Poythresses on the list. (I realize there
would be other Poythresses listed since Willie T. Poythress was only 4
yrs old in 1886.) And if there are any baptismal dates &/or dates of
joining the church &/or dates of weddings or burials there of Poythress
folks, we'd love to learn of them.
Thanks & good luck.
Barbara
Teresa Willis wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I am wondering
> how old a building has to be before it can be declared a historic
> site or place. Maybe if I tell the story it would help. The church I
> was raised in, Pleasant Hill Christian Church, is going to build on
> to the exsisting church building. The church was established in
> 1886(?) and the location of the church now is where it has been
> since 1915. The actual core building was built in 1915 and then it
> has added to 3 other times. But the first part still stands and is in
> great shape. New members of the church have proposed to level the old
> 1915 building to add an addition, and where the old church stood they
> will have a parking lot. To say the least the old families are all
> out of sorts about this, and I guess my question is: Is there a way
> to declare a building a historical marker and save it from ever being
> detroyed? They are going to build a 3 million dollar church building,
> but don't want to try to save this beautiful old structure. If it
> were falling down I could understand, but that is not the case. And
> by the way Willie T. Poythress (Lewis' line was a
> founders of this congregation.
> so myfamily has attended there for over a hundred years. And for
> those that don't know this is Brunswick County VA.
>
> Thanks for any imput you all may have, Teresa
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
04/04/2005 6:03:59
question for group
Teresa Willis
I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I am wondering how old a building has to be before it can be declared a historic site or place. Maybe if I tell the story it would help.
The church I was raised in, Pleasant Hill Christian Church, is going to build on to the exsisting church building. The church was established in 1886(?) and the location of the church now is where it has been since 1915. The actual core building was built in 1915 and then it has added to 3 other times. But the first part still stands and is in great shape.
New members of the church have proposed to level the old 1915 building to add an addition, and where the old church stood they will have a parking lot.
To say the least the old families are all out of sorts about this, and I guess my question is: Is there a way to declare a building a historical marker and save it from ever being detroyed?
They are going to build a 3 million dollar church building, but don't want to try to save this beautiful old structure. If it were falling down I could understand, but that is not the case.
And by the way Willie T. Poythress (Lewis' line was a founders of this congregation. so myfamily has attended there for over a hundred years. And for those that don't know this is Brunswick County VA.
Thanks for any imput you all may have,
Teresa
04/04/2005 7:41:28
Re: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Teresa, for the further info on your family's
involvement with the church. Hope the church's history indeed goes back
to the beginning, because all that would be great info to have.
Barbara
04/04/2005 11:38:43
Re: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
Teresa Willis
Barbara,
This is in Gasburg VA. And yes we have church history, I don't have a copy
that I can find right off, but I'll try to get one from the church library.
All the Poythress buried there are my family, Great Grandfather Willie T,
his wife Sarah Ann Elizabeth Lynch Poythress, baby son Benjamin, a few
others in the family, and my grandfather Delzie Poythress. A few others.
Marriages I would have to look up, my mom and dad Caroline Ann Poythress and
Harold Tuckett Clary.
Thanks for info,
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
> Hi Teresa -
> The website for the National Register of Historic Places has lots of
> helpful info for you:
>
> http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/welcome.html
>
> Down at the bottom of their home page, click on Frequently Asked Questions
> & read thru that material first. Then from the home page, click on
> Register Forms (also at the bottom of the home page).
>
> Please let us know what town in Brunswick Co, VA is closest to Pleasant
> Hill Christian Church. Apparently the town has a different name; I checked
> Mapquest for the location of Pleasant Hill, VA and the town by that name
> is far away, in Tazewell Co. Thanks.
>
> Does the church maintain a list of all its founders? If so, *please* let
> us know the names of *all* the Poythresses on the list. (I realize there
> would be other Poythresses listed since Willie T. Poythress was only 4 yrs
> old in 1886.) And if there are any baptismal dates &/or dates of joining
> the church &/or dates of weddings or burials there of Poythress folks,
> we'd love to learn of them.
>
> Thanks & good luck.
> Barbara
>
> Teresa Willis wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I am wondering
> > how old a building has to be before it can be declared a historic
> > site or place. Maybe if I tell the story it would help. The church I
> > was raised in, Pleasant Hill Christian Church, is going to build on
> > to the exsisting church building. The church was established in
> > 1886(?) and the location of the church now is where it has been
> > since 1915. The actual core building was built in 1915 and then it
> > has added to 3 other times. But the first part still stands and is in
> > great shape. New members of the church have proposed to level the old
> > 1915 building to add an addition, and where the old church stood they
> > will have a parking lot. To say the least the old families are all
> > out of sorts about this, and I guess my question is: Is there a way
> > to declare a building a historical marker and save it from ever being
> > detroyed? They are going to build a 3 million dollar church building,
> > but don't want to try to save this beautiful old structure. If it
> > were falling down I could understand, but that is not the case. And
> > by the way Willie T. Poythress (Lewis' line was a
> > founders of this congregation.
> > so myfamily has attended there for over a hundred years. And for
> > those that don't know this is Brunswick County VA.
> >
> > Thanks for any imput you all may have, Teresa
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
04/04/2005 11:40:56
Re: Pleasant Hill Christian Church
Barbara P. Neal
Ah, so. Thanks so much for the further clarification. Hope you'll share
with us all the Poythress mentions in the history - whether that is
little stories, or just from dates listing membership, burials,
marriages, full names of members; or whatever.
Thanks again Teresa.
Barbara
Teresa Willis wrote:
> Barbara,
> I'm sorry I wasn't clear on Willie T. Poythress being founder. Pleasant
> Hill split off from another church in 1915...
04/04/2005 11:52:44
Mecklenburg Co, VA Poythress gravemarkers
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks to Julie Cabitto we have the below information from Poythress
gravemarker photos that she took in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Julie says that
if anyone wants JPG photo(s) of any of these markers, to let her know,
and she'll email it to you. Her email address is
juliemarie@worldnet.att.net
LaCross Cemetery, located in LaCrosse, Mecklenburg County, VA:
*Double stone: Matilda S. Poythress 10 Feb 1917 - 6 Dec 1988; Carthin L.
Poythress 12 Jul 1904 - 31 Mar 1980; (with their marriage date engraved
in the center of the stone, too:) "Married 10 May 1931" See BPN note at
the bottom re him
*Frank G. Poythress 9 May 1884 - 27 Jul 1964 with "Woodmen of the World
Memorial" logo on the stone
*Ethel Lee Poythress 16 Jul 1923 - 14 Nov 1925
*Leonard T. Poythress 28 Nov 1893 - 16 Mar 1926
*Carrie M. Poythress 4 Jan 1898 - 7 May 1968 (Bpn note: her full maiden
name was Carrie Rebecca Morris; she was wife of Leonard T. Poythress;
they married 3 Aug 1919 in Brunswick Co, VA)
*Son of Mr. and Mrs. Leonard T. Poythress 29 May 1922 - 31 May 1922
At Rehoboth Methodist Church Cemetery, located in the Blackridge area of
Mecklenburg Co, VA near the county line with Brunswick Co, VA:
*Everette L. Poythress 4 Feb 1919 - 17 Mar 1986
*Double stone: Annie May Poythress 20 Dec 1890 - 17 Dec 1966; Foxhall A.
Poythress 22 Jan 1887 - 3 Aug 1932; "Thy God has claimed thee as His
own" (note: Annie May's maiden name was Kidd; they married 22 Feb 1908
in Warren Co, NC)
= = =
BPN note: Re the above-listed Carthin L. Poythress born in July 1904, I
checked thru Elaine's compendium collection of census info on
Poythresses, and think I found him as a child in his birth family in
adjacent Brunswick Co, VA in the 1910 & 1920 Censuses. Elaine had
transcribed it, indicating difficulty reading his first name, as follows:
1910 Census - Brunswick Co, Virginia
HH 14 - Meherrin Dist./Rock Store, sheet 9A, Enum Dist 9, enumerated on
2 May:
Portice, L.L. , male, white, age 37, married 12 yrs., VA,VA,VA, farming,
own account, Rents farm
, Mary E. , wife, female, white, age 36, married 12 yrs., 6
children, 6 living, VA,VA,VA
, Annie V. , daughter, female, white, age ?10, VA,VA,VA,
attends school
, Wallace J. , son, male, white, age 9, VA,VA,VA
, Rufus ?. , son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
, ?Cartis L. , son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Shelton L. , son, male, white, age 4, VA,VA,VA
, David , son, male, white, age 2, VA,VA,VA
= = = =
1920 Census Brunswick County, VA
HH 240 - Brodnax, sheet 15B, ED 8, 20 Jan.
Pogtress, Leon , rents, male, white, age 47, married, VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Mary , wife, female, white, age 45, married, VA,VA,VA
, Delma , daughter, female, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA
, Wallace , son, male, white, age 18, attends school,
VA,VA,VA, partner/home farm, own account
, Ruth , daughter, female, age 17, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, ?Caspher , son, male, white, age 15, attends school,
VA,VA,VA, partner/home farm, own account
, Skelton , son, male, white, age 13, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Davy , son, male, white, age 12, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Rivers , son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
Thanks so much, Julie, for this helpful info from the gravemarkers, and
thank you again, Elaine, for your great Poythress census compendiums.
Barbara (BPN)
04/06/2005 3:45:14
PG Map
John M. Poythress
A neat little concise map of PG and surrounding counties if, like I, you
have to constantly check. Hope it gets through Rootsweb's strainer:
Maynard
04/06/2005 8:03:24
PG map
John M. Poythress
Nope, looks like my copy didn't make it through Rootsweb's strainer. If
you want a copy just ask but it's really no big deal.
Maynard
04/06/2005 8:10:53
WSJ.com - This Not-So-Old House
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Ah, would that Flowerdew was still standing.
Maynard
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04/08/2005 3:58:21
Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location Ive never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay.
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek.
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds Jetts Creek. Extend
the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords Chingoteque
Creek (identified in the modern gazetteer as Gingoteaque Creek flows
into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says its 38° 09 46N by 77° 06
05W. Overlooking Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically high ground.
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is whats a Poythress
doing that far north and doing so that early? My speculation: we
know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
reliable gazzateer and he wouldnt have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have discovered
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving friendly civilities from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have named it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
Id be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
04/10/2005 11:58:03
RE: Poythress Creek
JLP
For anyone who has a DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer of Virginia (highly
recommended by me), both those creeks and the bay are clearly shown.
(I lived for a few years in King George County, and owned a lot not
far from the area in question where I thought I'd one day build a
home.)
OK I'll bite and add to speculation. In those days and for many, many
years later, the rivers and creeks were the "highways." I don't
remember the specifics but I do recall generally that there was a
rather large and old Indian central "town" around the area that is now
Port Royal (where Highway 301 crosses the Rappahannock). If Francis
was sent on an envoy to the Indians there's a good chance he went up
the Rappahannock by boat, and if you'll notice, Nanzatico Bay (and
Portabago Bay on the other side of the river), are the nearest wide
spots downriver from Port Royal. (In fact there is a narrows in the
river just upstream from these bays that may have prevented a large
boat from passing). So if he went by boat, chances are that they
chose to anchor in that wide spot in the river where they, if they
anchored in mid stream, would have some protection from attack on the
shore. I certainly cannot explain how a creek might have been named
after him, but Jetts Creek (ex. Poythress Creek, by the article) is
certainly right there.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:58 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location I’ve never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here
is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is “Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.”
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him
on a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was
surprised to learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a
researcher of Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
“On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract
of lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico
Bay.”
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: “Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek.”
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds “Jetts Creek.”
Extend the present county line between Caroline County and Essex
County north across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the
county boundary changes to King George County. About a mile south of
that point Jetts creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into
the Rappahannock moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords
“Chingoteque Creek” (identified in the modern gazetteer as
“Gingoteaque Creek” flows into the Rappahannock moving in the same
direction. Nanzatico Bay, something of a wide spot in the river,
looks on the map to be almost exactly halfway between the two creeks
on the northern bank, precisely as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says it’s 38° 09’ 46”N by 77° 06’
05”W. “Overlooking” Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically “high ground.”
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is “what’s a
Poythress doing ‘that far north’ and doing so ‘that early’?” My
speculation: we know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County
mid-century to settle some type of political difficulties and in time
became a Burgess for that county. Francis is on the records of
Northumberland County in 1648, 1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland
County, on the south bank at the mouth of the Potomac, is not likely
to be reached from Charles City County via a crossing of the
Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north as Nanzatico Bay. However,
Francis was certainly not armed with a reliable gazzateer and he
wouldn’t have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have “discovered”
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving “friendly civilities” from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have “named” it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could
have been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its
direction.
I’d be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
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04/10/2005 12:08:40
Poythress Death
Teresa Willis
Hello to All,
Just a "by the way", Thomas Poythress of Gasburg VA passed away this past weekend, he is a "cousin" to all on list. My mother's first cousin, his father was Fenton Poythress, mother Susie Poythress, Grandfather Willie T, of Lewis line.
(Cancer)
Lyn if you are still on list, you may have know him.
Regards,
Teresa
04/11/2005 3:49:09
RE: Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
Craig, you cleaned up one chore I was dreading: digging back to see what
the creek was called in the original grant.
It's not a matter of any particular importance but I notice the spelling
with double-s which I had not seen until 1720's. However, I tend to
discount that as later "transcribers" seemed to have "updated" the
spelling I suppose out of habit thinking they were making a
"correction."
Thanks a ton for the collaborating stuff on the surrounding area.
Would you agree with a notion for which I seem to see more
re-enforcement; e. g., that those "transport" rights got to be something
like tradable frequent flyer points...and those old boys traded those
"chits" around like pocketknives until one guy got his fill and decided
to cash 'em in and patent something?
Maynard
From: Craig R. Scott [mailto:WillowBend@WillowBendBooks.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:28 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: Poythress Creek
What the entry on page 43 says is Henry Chichley, Knt., 2200 acres on N.
side Rappa. River, opposite Port Tobacco, bounded on E. with Poythress
Cr.
and land of Vincent Stanford, etc. 8 Dec 1656.
What is interesting is that many of th people mentioned as being
transported
are also listed in the entry for Mr. Stephen Hamelin for 1250 acres in
Charles City County on 26 Oct 1650.
There are other entries for the creek in the same patent book.
On page 51 there is a Vincent Stanford, 700 acres at the head of
Poythress
Cr. on N. side of Rappa.River, near Nansatiquon, 6 Oct 1656.
and
On page 241, there is Robert Davis for the same 700 acres, 6 April 1664,
evidently deserted by Stanford and granted to Davis by the court.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To: "AA Poythress List"
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Poythress Creek
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location I've never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is "Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia."
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
"On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay."
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: "Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek."
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds "Jetts Creek." Extend
the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords "Chingoteque
Creek" (identified in the modern gazetteer as "Gingoteaque Creek" flows
into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says it's 38° 09' 46"N by 77° 06'
05"W. "Overlooking" Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically "high ground."
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is "what's a Poythress
doing 'that far north' and doing so 'that early'?" My speculation: we
know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
reliable gazzateer and he wouldn't have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have "discovered"
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving "friendly civilities" from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have "named" it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
I'd be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
04/11/2005 7:11:48
Re: Poythress Death
Barbara P. Neal
Teresa, thanks so much for letting us knowof the death of Thomas
Poythress. What newspaper covers the Gasburg VA area, please?
Sympathy & regards,
Barbara (BPN)
04/11/2005 12:59:13
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
ELIZABETH MORRIS
My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson. Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Mary Jean,
I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and let
you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder of
things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it in
this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my tree
at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think I
saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need to
look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA, pre-civil
war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
families.
In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
families in Mecklenburg VA:
-
Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is another
great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible of
this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so do
any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this is
the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and William
Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: >
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie:
> Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though the
> eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> draught
> was fascinating.
>
> Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
>
> Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial
> Virginia
> and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> according to
> the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly an
> Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned in
> Vol 5
> along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> would be
> great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> they
> were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mary Jean
>
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04/12/2005 1:38:28
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
ELIZABETH MORRIS
So good to hear from you also. I think you had all the info I had on the Morris family. If not just let me know and I will resend. Barbara Moody is my sister-in=Law. I think you know her do you not. Thanks Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Teresa Willis
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Hi Libbee,
I don't know if you remember emailing each other a few times back last
summer or spring. I am also kin of Lyn Baird, on both Poythress and Morris
side. You sent me a large piece of Morris info to me. Nice to see this from
you because like you my computer bit the dust and I lost lots of files and
email address and such, yours being one that I had not been able to find.
So I've added your email back to my list. Hope to hear more from you.
Regards,
Teresa Willis
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS" >
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Thank you so very much for this wonderful information. Once I began
> reading it I could not stop. I am searching the Poythress only thru Lyn
> Baird whose Grandmother married Linwood Poythress and she was my husband's
> father's oldest sister and we all loved her so dearly it has been fun to
> connect her life with ours. I began this endeavor four years ago when I
> retired from my job and had to stay home with an ailing husband. It has
> kept my mind active and associating with other people. My computer died a
> couple of months ago and I lost some info but salvaged most of my family
> history info. Happy hunting and enjoy every day with you little ones.
> They grow up so rapidly. Love Libbee Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto>
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock
> River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around
> this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find
> Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr.
> grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch
> my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I
> don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this
> list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever
> seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
> right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a
> more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding.
> People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled
> everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded,
> and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband
> ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to
> flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish.
> A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I
> kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's
> and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could
> see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed.
> It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians
> over 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying
> to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would
> build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York
> City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day,
> and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things
> mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined
> "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses
> that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during
> the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation
> during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the
> Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 !
> ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
> river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river.
> There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we
> read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a
> million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had.
> And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River
> to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides-
> and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
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04/12/2005 1:48:07
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Barbara P. Neal
Enjoyed reading about it, Julie. And Libbee, I enjoyed learning of your
husband's connection thru Lyn Baird's line, too.
Barbara (BPN)
04/12/2005 2:06:47
Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie Cabitto
Hey everyone,
I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to flooding.
But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic river...
So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
Love
Julie
04/12/2005 2:09:08
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Thank you so very much for this wonderful information. Once I began reading it I could not stop. I am searching the Poythress only thru Lyn Baird whose Grandmother married Linwood Poythress and she was my husband's father's oldest sister and we all loved her so dearly it has been fun to connect her life with ours. I began this endeavor four years ago when I retired from my job and had to stay home with an ailing husband. It has kept my mind active and associating with other people. My computer died a couple of months ago and I lost some info but salvaged most of my family history info. Happy hunting and enjoy every day with you little ones. They grow up so rapidly. Love Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Hey everyone,
I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to flooding.
But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 !
ye!
ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic river...
So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
Love
Julie
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04/12/2005 2:59:13
Re: Poythress Death
>
> From: "Teresa Willis"
> Date: 2005/04/11 Mon PM 09:49:09 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress Death
>
> Hello to All,
> Just a "by the way", Thomas Poythress of Gasburg VA passed away this past weekend, he is a "cousin" to all on list. My mother's first cousin, his father was Fenton Poythress, mother Susie Poythress, Grandfather Willie T, of Lewis line.
> (Cancer)
> Lyn if you are still on list, you may have know him.
> Regards,
THANKS FOR THE INFO TERESA.
JUDY
> Teresa
>
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04/12/2005 4:04:29
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
JULIE,
THIS WAS ALL VERY INTERESTING TO ME.
THANKS,
JUDY
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> Date: 2005/04/12 Tue AM 08:09:08 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River. Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 !
ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
04/12/2005 4:14:51
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Teresa Willis
Libbee,
You just named almost every original family name in Gasburg except the
Wrights. Of course you hit on my maiden name, Clary, so if you have anything
interesting on that line let me know please.
Thanks,
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
connections
> My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird
> and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson.
> Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of
> the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the
> families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info
> you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research
> on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course
> the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee
> Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
> connections
>
>
> Mary Jean,
> I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and
> let
> you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder
> of
> things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it
> in
> this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
> Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my
> tree
> at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think
> I
> saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need
> to
> look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil
> war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
> Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
> families.
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is
> another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible
> of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so
> do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this
> is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
> William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >
> To: >
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie:
> > Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> > eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> > draught
> > was fascinating.
> >
> > Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> > Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
> >
> > Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> > Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial
> > Virginia
> > and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> > according to
> > the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
> > Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in
> > Vol 5
> > along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> > would be
> > great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> > they
> > were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Jean
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
04/12/2005 5:20:39
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie Cabitto
Theresa,
I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to Marlene
in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's grand daughter
of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's sister's family
Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You can still see the stars
here 🙂
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teresa Willis"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie,
> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a
> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can
> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children on
> a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course Fredericksburg
> was one of the stops.
> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & Caroline
> County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my daughters is
> considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
>> Hey everyone,
>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock
>> River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around
>> this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find
>> Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr.
>> grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>>
>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
>> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since
>> I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this
>> list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever
>> seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
>> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
>> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
>> right and I'm in King George County.
>>
>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a
>> more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
>> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding.
>> People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled
>> everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded,
>> and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband
>> ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to
>> flooding.
>>
>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish.
>> A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I
>> kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's
>> and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could
>> see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss
>> crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan
>> Indians over 300 years ago.
>>
>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
>> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
>> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept
>> trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt
>> would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New
>> York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons
>> a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of
>> things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also
>> mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the
>> houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting
>> during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the
>> foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane
>> travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
>> river...
>>
>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river.
>> There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we
>> read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a
>> million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had.
>> And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River
>> to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides-
>> and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>>
>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
>> Love
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 5:59:14
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Julie Cabitto
You family connects to mine then over in that 98th regt, where our family
tree branches criss cross a lot. I have a friend I need to hook you up with
if you haven't emailed him. His name is Hobson Wright. He is Gray/Jones kin
and also a Thomas and currently looking for Thomas kin in Mecklenburg.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
connections
> My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird
> and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson.
> Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of
> the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the
> families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info
> you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research
> on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course
> the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee
> Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
> connections
>
>
> Mary Jean,
> I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and
> let
> you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder
> of
> things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it
> in
> this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
> Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my
> tree
> at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think
> I
> saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need
> to
> look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil
> war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
> Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
> families.
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is
> another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible
> of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so
> do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this
> is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
> William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >
> To: >
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie:
> > Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> > eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> > draught
> > was fascinating.
> >
> > Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> > Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
> >
> > Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> > Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial
> > Virginia
> > and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> > according to
> > the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
> > Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in
> > Vol 5
> > along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> > would be
> > great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> > they
> > were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Jean
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 6:02:27
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie Cabitto
One of my top priorities to find on my next trip to Richmond is a Parish
book for Prince George County. It is this early, so that may be a good place
to look for this Francis Poythress too. I saw the book title when I was
searching through the library of VA web sight. I think it is for Nottaway
Parish which was in King George County. I have actually traced a few family
lines back to this county and possibly in this old parish amazingly, so I
want to see what this book contains. I'll let you know if I see anything
about Poythress people in the book.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>I believe Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 and settled in Charles
> City County/ Prince George Co. His death is uncertain; some say around
> 1651. You would think Robert Wynne would be easy to trace; however, the
> only surviving document we have involving him is his will which, thank
> God, was also recorded in Canterbury. I have never found a land grant
> or deed that actually involved him. Some deeds of others mention land
> adjacent to him and he is mentioned occasionally in the public records.
> I could never find any kind of deed or grant involving his Plantation in
> Prince George County which he left to his youngest son, Joshua Wynne. I
> have been to Richmond and searched the records but of course, I know, I
> didn't even scratch the surface of what is there. There is always that
> chance of finding something new; just a tiny little clue. Thank you for
> your interest. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:00 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
> I keep a folder of things to look up in the archives, so I'll out your
> email
> in this folder to look into it. I would like to hope being in the house
> of
> Burgess he would be a little easier to track. Is this Francis Poythress
> from
> Mecklenburg? and what is his approximate birthdate?
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:03 PM
> Subject: RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
>> Julie, I am specifically interested in the marriage of Colonel Robert
>> Wynne, Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>> Parliament, and Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress. I have
>> never found any information that would substantiate an even
> approximate
>> date of death for Francis. A number of researchers attempt to
> determine
>> his death date based on the birth of Joshua Wynne but that is just
>> speculation, which is certainly something we all have to do at one
> time
>> or the other. However, I would like to know FOR SURE just which of
>> Robert Wynne's children, if any, (he had four: Robert, Mary, Thomas
> and
>> Joshua) could have been children of Robert and Mary.
>> Does anyone know the birth date of the last child of Francis and Mary
>> Poythress?
>> Please keep your eyes open for Francis' death,if you are able to do
> any
>> research in Richmond. Thank you ever so much, and it is refreshing to
>> know that some of the younger generations are keeping the family
>> histories going! Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>>
>> Julie:
>> Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
>> the
>> eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
>> draught
>> was fascinating.
>>
>> Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
>> Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
>>
>> Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
>> Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
>> Colonial Virginia
>> and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
>> according to
>> the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
>>
>> Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly
> mentioned
>> in Vol 5
>> along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
>> would be
>> great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in
> fact
>> they
>> were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Mary Jean
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 6:06:27
Re: Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
Julie Cabitto
Thomas Taylor has 3 children that I know of:
1.) David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778 in Mecklenburg VA
2) Goodwyn Taylor married Amy Malone. I know of two children for them:
1. Elizabeth Betsey Taylor married David Dortch 30 May 1798
2. Sarah Taylor married Abel Dortch
Also Virinda Jones married James H. Taylor. Her first husband was Bartlette
Kidd son of John B. Kidd. Virinda is another Jones on the family Bible I
mentioned. Varinda is sister of my gr....grandma Sarah Elizabeth Jones.
Virinda and Sarah's sister is Anna "Ella" Jones married to William Lewis
Poythress. Also there were some cousin marriages. Foxhall Poythress mother
in law was Nannie Gray (dau. of Sarah Jones and John Gray) and Father Jimmy
Kidd. Jimmy, married to Nannie Gray is Varinda and Bartlette Kidd's son. So
Nannie and Jimmy were first cousin, their mothers were Jones sisters.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
> Julie -
>
> In one of your messages today, you said, "In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries,
> Vaughan, Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton,
> and Mise families."
>
> I'd appreciate knowing more about the Dortch-Taylor marriage(s) you
> mentioned.
>
> (I try to keep my eye out for the Taylor name, since Lewis Poythress
> married Rebecca Taylor. Maybe a sibling of hers married a Dortch.)
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 6:23:59
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Teresa Willis
Julie,
I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's first
cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research or
personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris
Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister.
And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange?
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Theresa,
> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to
> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's
> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's
> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of
> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You
> can still see the stars here 🙂
> Love
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teresa Willis"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
>> Julie,
>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a
>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can
>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children
>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course
>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops.
>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & Caroline
>> County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my daughters is
>> considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>>
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually
>>> lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can
>>> only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress
>>> gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>>>
>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
>>> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since
>>> I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for
>>> this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't
>>> ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
>>> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
>>> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
>>> right and I'm in King George County.
>>>
>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On
>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
>>> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of
>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I
>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding
>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a
>>> thing to flooding.
>>>
>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures
>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so
>>> low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes
>>> that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by
>>> the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
>>>
>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
>>> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
>>> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept
>>> trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt
>>> would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New
>>> York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons
>>> a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots
>>> of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They
>>> also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of
>>> the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I
>>> renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose
>>> the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane
>>> travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
>>> river...
>>>
>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan
>>> who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other
>>> first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and
>>> using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
>>> strong undercurrents and tides.
>>>
>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
>>> Love
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
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>>> www.poythress.net
>>>
>>>
>>
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04/12/2005 6:55:10
RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Deloris Riley
Julie, I am specifically interested in the marriage of Colonel Robert
Wynne, Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
Parliament, and Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress. I have
never found any information that would substantiate an even approximate
date of death for Francis. A number of researchers attempt to determine
his death date based on the birth of Joshua Wynne but that is just
speculation, which is certainly something we all have to do at one time
or the other. However, I would like to know FOR SURE just which of
Robert Wynne's children, if any, (he had four: Robert, Mary, Thomas and
Joshua) could have been children of Robert and Mary.
Does anyone know the birth date of the last child of Francis and Mary
Poythress?
Please keep your eyes open for Francis' death,if you are able to do any
research in Richmond. Thank you ever so much, and it is refreshing to
know that some of the younger generations are keeping the family
histories going! Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie:
Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
the
eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
draught
was fascinating.
Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
Colonial Virginia
and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
according to
the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly an
Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
in Vol 5
along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
would be
great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
they
were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
Thanks again,
Mary Jean
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Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
04/12/2005 7:03:19
Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
Barbara P. Neal
Julie -
In one of your messages today, you said, "In Mecklenburg County VA,
pre-civil war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss,
Jeffries, Vaughan, Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones,
Gayle, Burton, and Mise families."
I'd appreciate knowing more about the Dortch-Taylor marriage(s) you
mentioned.
(I try to keep my eye out for the Taylor name, since Lewis Poythress
married Rebecca Taylor. Maybe a sibling of hers married a Dortch.)
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
04/12/2005 7:03:22
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie:
Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though the
eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that draught
was fascinating.
Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial Virginia
and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and according to
the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly an
Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned in Vol 5
along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure would be
great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact they
were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
Thanks again,
Mary Jean
04/12/2005 7:14:26
RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
John M. Poythress
Hey, Julie, thanks for the great perspective on the environs of this
story.
It never occurred to me that a Poythress might actually have
lived there; there is certainly no record to that effect. But then
there are no records for a lot of the stuff we are
after. I would still be inclined to believe that that early in the game
Francis1 (if he was in fact in present day King George County AT ALL)
was passing through on his way to Northumberland County....maybe he
filled up his gourd or something.....creeks have been named for less.
Re: 300 year old fishtraps still underwater. Gollee...my bet is the
things were made of long-needled pine which was just about bullet-proof.
It had a huge resin concentration that was both a preservative and
highly flammable. In fact, those "kindling" sticks L. L. Bean sells are
the tops of old stumps left by loggers a century or two ago. When we
uncovered the area of John Maner Poythress' 1866 grave in Screven County
it had originally had a long-needle pine fence around it. While the
part of the fence above ground was long gone, the wooden planks
underneath the ground were perfectly preserved. I couldn't make that
kind of case for any other kind of wood except maybe Cyprus I suppose.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Hey everyone,
I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually
lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can
only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress
gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since
I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for
this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't
ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
right and I'm in King George County.
The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On
a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of
flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I
hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding
my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a
thing to flooding.
But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures
of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so
low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes
that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by
the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept
trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt
would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New
York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons
a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots
of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They
also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of
the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I
renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose
the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane
travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
river...
So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan
who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other
first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and
using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
strong undercurrents and tides.
Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
Love
Julie
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04/12/2005 8:28:10
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Julie Cabitto
Mary Jean,
I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and let
you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder of
things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it in
this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my tree
at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think I
saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need to
look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA, pre-civil
war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
families.
In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
families in Mecklenburg VA:
-
Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is another
great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible of
this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so do
any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this is
the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and William
Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie:
> Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though the
> eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> draught
> was fascinating.
>
> Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
>
> Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of Colonial
> Virginia
> and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> according to
> the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly an
> Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned in
> Vol 5
> along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> would be
> great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> they
> were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mary Jean
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 8:56:40
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie Cabitto
I keep a folder of things to look up in the archives, so I'll out your email
in this folder to look into it. I would like to hope being in the house of
Burgess he would be a little easier to track. Is this Francis Poythress from
Mecklenburg? and what is his approximate birthdate?
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie, I am specifically interested in the marriage of Colonel Robert
> Wynne, Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
> Parliament, and Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress. I have
> never found any information that would substantiate an even approximate
> date of death for Francis. A number of researchers attempt to determine
> his death date based on the birth of Joshua Wynne but that is just
> speculation, which is certainly something we all have to do at one time
> or the other. However, I would like to know FOR SURE just which of
> Robert Wynne's children, if any, (he had four: Robert, Mary, Thomas and
> Joshua) could have been children of Robert and Mary.
> Does anyone know the birth date of the last child of Francis and Mary
> Poythress?
> Please keep your eyes open for Francis' death,if you are able to do any
> research in Richmond. Thank you ever so much, and it is refreshing to
> know that some of the younger generations are keeping the family
> histories going! Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
> Julie:
> Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> draught
> was fascinating.
>
> Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
>
> Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial Virginia
> and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> according to
> the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly an
>
> Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in Vol 5
> along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> would be
> great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> they
> were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mary Jean
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
04/12/2005 8:59:47
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Julie Cabitto
Maynard,
Many people just passed through Fredericksburg. It's half way between
Washington DC and Williamsburg. The taverns and inns were always full of
politicians and presidents often visited and had meetings here. Also you
could ship things from Fredericksburg to all around the world in colonial
days. Thomas Jefferson had a meeting about religious freedom here, and they
used the notes of that meeting to write the Bill of Rights. There's a statue
of religious freedom to mark the significance of this important meeting.
Another significant thing about the river was the civil war. The
confederates actually blew up the bridges to keep the union across the
river. It took the union 3 months to get the supplies to build pontoon
bridges, and by then you know the Confederates had a good amount of time to
fortify the city. There were if I remember right about 200 Cannons on one
property (Chatham manor) aimed at the city, from across the river. Lincoln
kept visiting and watching the city from across the river, because he was
really worried about how fortified the city was. Clara Barton and Walt
Whitman stayed at Chatham too. Clara Barton went from Chatham to a church
down town to nurse wounded soldiers and she had bullet holes all through her
skirts and hat. But the people of Fredericksburg adored her and thought she
was a hero (even though she was union) because she would travel with bullets
flying everywhere etc. So if you can imagine this intense of fighting, and
those traps were right there in the middle of where all that happened! I'd
never heard of wood that could sit in water 300 hundred years and not rot!
The Powatan Indians were here and named the river. I heard they were great
fishers and now I know why.
I actually have never seen a Poythress any where in this area. In fact I'd
never even heard of the name until I started looking into our Mecklenburg VA
genealogy. I know there's no Poythress buried in the Spotsylvania
Confederate cemetery. But if any of you know of any Poythress that died in
VA in the civil war, let me know because I know where the big confederate
cemeteries are. As far as I know all the Poythress I know were from the
south, but if there were union Poythress let me know and I'll keep that in
mind too. There's a cemetery in Richmond with 5,000 confederates. There's a
cemetery in Fredericksburg with about 3,000, and I heard there's one in
Culpeper too. Fredericksburg was always fighting, so it switched hands of
ownership 5 times during the war between the north and the south. Many that
died or were wounded in Fredericksburg would've been shipped to hospitals in
Richmond which always stayed Confederate, and the majority of soldiers that
died in VA were buried in Richmond.
Love,
Julie
( I like to read a lot of books and journals in the Fredericksburg
genealogy/history room. I had lots of time being on bedrest for 3
pregnancies 🙂
_______________________________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Hey, Julie, thanks for the great perspective on the environs of this
> story.
>
> It never occurred to me that a Poythress might actually have
> lived there; there is certainly no record to that effect. But then
> there are no records for a lot of the stuff we are
> after. I would still be inclined to believe that that early in the game
> Francis1 (if he was in fact in present day King George County AT ALL)
> was passing through on his way to Northumberland County....maybe he
> filled up his gourd or something.....creeks have been named for less.
>
> Re: 300 year old fishtraps still underwater. Gollee...my bet is the
> things were made of long-needled pine which was just about bullet-proof.
> It had a huge resin concentration that was both a preservative and
> highly flammable. In fact, those "kindling" sticks L. L. Bean sells are
> the tops of old stumps left by loggers a century or two ago. When we
> uncovered the area of John Maner Poythress' 1866 grave in Screven County
> it had originally had a long-needle pine fence around it. While the
> part of the fence above ground was long gone, the wooden planks
> underneath the ground were perfectly preserved. I couldn't make that
> kind of case for any other kind of wood except maybe Cyprus I suppose.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually
> lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can
> only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress
> gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since
> I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for
> this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't
> ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
> right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On
> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of
> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I
> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding
> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a
> thing to flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures
> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so
> low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes
> that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps made by
> the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept
> trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt
> would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New
> York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons
> a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots
> of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They
> also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of
> the houses that are still standing. (Including my own first house I
> renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose
> the foundation during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane
> travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
> river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan
> who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as other
> first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco and
> using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
> strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
>
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04/12/2005 9:25:41
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
In a message dated 04/12/2005 2:57:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
juliemarie@worldnet.att.net writes:
Mary Jean,
I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and let
you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder of
things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it in
this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my tree
at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think I
saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need to
look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA, pre-civil
war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
families.
Julie: I am thrilled that you haven't seen that source and even more so
that you might look it up! I will send and discussion the Baskerville data
separately so as not to bore the Poythress group. It is amazing how we are all
intertwined with all these families.
Love to hear your history and your children certainly have a well read
mother who I am sure will pass this love of land and country along to them.
More later on that Baskerville Dortch connection.
Thanks, Mary Jean
04/12/2005 9:49:12
RE: Poythress Creek and the Rappahannock River and Dortch Connections
Julie. Thanks so much for all of your Virginia area information. It is
really appreciated. I am a descendant of Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress
through their son James Speed Poythress. His youngest son Carl Hutton Poythress
born 1884 was my grandfather. I haven't gotten into the Dortch line very
much yet but do look forward to the day when I can.
Take care,
Elaine Poythress Criddle
In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
families in Mecklenburg VA:
-
Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is another
great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible of
this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so do
any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this is
the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and William
Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
Love
Julie
04/12/2005 10:02:18
Re: RE: Poythress Creek and the Rappahannock River and Dortch Connections
>
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Date: 2005/04/12 Tue PM 04:02:18 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek and the Rappahannock River and Dortch Connections
>
> Julie. Thanks so much for all of your Virginia area information. It is
> really appreciated. I am a descendant of Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress
> through their son James Speed Poythress. His youngest son Carl Hutton Poythress
> born 1884 was my grandfather. I haven't gotten into the Dortch line very
> much yet but do look forward to the day when I can.
>
> Take care,
JULIE, DON'T FORGET I AM FROM THE SAME LINE AS ELAINE EXCEPT IWHEN SHE VEERS OFF TO CARL HUTTON, I COME FROM HIS BROTHER JAMES DAVID. MY MAIDEN NAME IS ALSO SPEED. I HAVE THAT LINE TRACED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 1500'S FROM TODAY.
JUDY SPEED SCRUGGS
> Elaine Poythress Criddle
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
>
>
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04/12/2005 10:55:50
Re: Poythress Death
Teresa Willis
The Brunswick Times
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress Death
> Teresa, thanks so much for letting us knowof the death of Thomas
> Poythress. What newspaper covers the Gasburg VA area, please?
> Sympathy & regards,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
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04/12/2005 12:21:50
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Teresa Willis
Hi Libbee,
I don't know if you remember emailing each other a few times back last
summer or spring. I am also kin of Lyn Baird, on both Poythress and Morris
side. You sent me a large piece of Morris info to me. Nice to see this from
you because like you my computer bit the dust and I lost lots of files and
email address and such, yours being one that I had not been able to find.
So I've added your email back to my list. Hope to hear more from you.
Regards,
Teresa Willis
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Thank you so very much for this wonderful information. Once I began
> reading it I could not stop. I am searching the Poythress only thru Lyn
> Baird whose Grandmother married Linwood Poythress and she was my husband's
> father's oldest sister and we all loved her so dearly it has been fun to
> connect her life with ours. I began this endeavor four years ago when I
> retired from my job and had to stay home with an ailing husband. It has
> kept my mind active and associating with other people. My computer died a
> couple of months ago and I lost some info but salvaged most of my family
> history info. Happy hunting and enjoy every day with you little ones.
> They grow up so rapidly. Love Libbee Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock
> River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around
> this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find
> Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr.
> grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch
> my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I
> don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this
> list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever
> seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
> right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a
> more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding.
> People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled
> everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded,
> and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband
> ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to
> flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish.
> A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I
> kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's
> and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could
> see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed.
> It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians
> over 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying
> to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would
> build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York
> City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day,
> and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things
> mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined
> "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses
> that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during
> the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation
> during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the
> Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 !
> ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
> river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river.
> There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we
> read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a
> million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had.
> And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River
> to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides-
> and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
>
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04/12/2005 12:45:42
RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Deloris Riley
This is a "one in a million" shot, but could you accidentally have any
later generation kin in Arkansas? My Aunt, Flourine Wynne married
Charles Jefferson Davis Morris in 1925. I have some pages from the
Morris family bible and they seem to have been related to
Kinman/Sullivan, Janson and Wilkes. Records mention Miss (sic) Co.,
Ark, Pennscot Mo and Pike Co., Ill and Lulora Ark. I have never
researched this family but would love for someone to have this valuable
information. Just thought I'd give it a try. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis [mailto:DIXYLUVR@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:46 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Hi Libbee,
I don't know if you remember emailing each other a few times back last
summer or spring. I am also kin of Lyn Baird, on both Poythress and
Morris
side. You sent me a large piece of Morris info to me. Nice to see this
from
you because like you my computer bit the dust and I lost lots of files
and
email address and such, yours being one that I had not been able to
find.
So I've added your email back to my list. Hope to hear more from you.
Regards,
Teresa Willis
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Thank you so very much for this wonderful information. Once I began
> reading it I could not stop. I am searching the Poythress only thru
Lyn
> Baird whose Grandmother married Linwood Poythress and she was my
husband's
> father's oldest sister and we all loved her so dearly it has been fun
to
> connect her life with ours. I began this endeavor four years ago when
I
> retired from my job and had to stay home with an ailing husband. It
has
> kept my mind active and associating with other people. My computer
died a
> couple of months ago and I lost some info but salvaged most of my
family
> history info. Happy hunting and enjoy every day with you little ones.
> They grow up so rapidly. Love Libbee Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to
let
> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
Rappahannock
> River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived
around
> this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find
> Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress
gr....gr.
> grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you
get
> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
watch
> my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields.
Since I
> don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for
this
> list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't
ever
> seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here
you
> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to
the
> right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history!
On a
> more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which
empties
> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of
flooding.
> People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled
> everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
flooded,
> and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my
husband
> ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to
> flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
fish.
> A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I
> kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue
Heron's
> and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you
could
> see these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss
crossed.
> It was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians
> over 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on
the
> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the
world
> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept
trying
> to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would
> build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New
York
> City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a
day,
> and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of
things
> mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined
> "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses
> that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting
during
> the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the
foundation
> during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the
> Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 !
> ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
> river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel
the
> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
river.
> There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg
we
> read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually
had a
> million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires
had.
> And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock
River
> to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating
tides-
> and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
>
>
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04/12/2005 12:49:25
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Teresa Willis
Julie,
I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a
year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can not
believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children on a
short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course Fredericksburg was
one of the stops.
I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, & Caroline
County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my daughters is
considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Hey everyone,
> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the Rappahannock
> River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress actually lived around
> this area let me know and I'll see what I can find. I can only find
> Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my direct Poythress gr....gr.
> grandma is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you get
> stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help watch
> my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields. Since I
> don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up for this
> list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I haven't ever
> seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure where
> Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge here you
> can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6 miles to the
> right and I'm in King George County.
>
> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On a
> more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which empties
> into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of flooding.
> People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I hauled
> everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street flooded,
> and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding my husband
> ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a thing to
> flooding.
>
> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30 years
> that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity. They blew
> it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the fish. A few
> years ago, we had the worst drought since the great depression I kept
> hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures of Blue Heron's and
> made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten so low, you could see
> these manmade wooden structures with wooden spikes that criss crossed. It
> was discovered these were fishing traps made by the Powatan Indians over
> 300 years ago.
>
> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on the
> river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the world
> during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington kept trying
> to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the silt would
> build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that was New York
> City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over 100 wagons a day,
> and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times. There was lots of things
> mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious minerals. They also mined
> "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for foundations of the houses
> that are still standing. (Including my own first house I renting during
> the flood) It's very porous, so the buildings don't loose the foundation
> during major flooding that happens whenever a hurricane travels up the
> Appalachian mountains (like Fran) about every 25 ye!
> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic river...
>
> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this river.
> There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in Fredericksburg we
> read that America's first millionaire was Basil Gordan who actually had a
> million cash in his hands, not in assets as other first millionaires had.
> And he made his fortune growing tobacco and using the Rappahannock River
> to transport his goods and sell it. Rappahannock means alternating tides-
> and today it still has really strong undercurrents and tides.
>
> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> Love
> Julie
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
04/12/2005 12:53:37
RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
Deloris Riley
I believe Francis Poythress I was born in 1609 and settled in Charles
City County/ Prince George Co. His death is uncertain; some say around
1651. You would think Robert Wynne would be easy to trace; however, the
only surviving document we have involving him is his will which, thank
God, was also recorded in Canterbury. I have never found a land grant
or deed that actually involved him. Some deeds of others mention land
adjacent to him and he is mentioned occasionally in the public records.
I could never find any kind of deed or grant involving his Plantation in
Prince George County which he left to his youngest son, Joshua Wynne. I
have been to Richmond and searched the records but of course, I know, I
didn't even scratch the surface of what is there. There is always that
chance of finding something new; just a tiny little clue. Thank you for
your interest. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:00 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
I keep a folder of things to look up in the archives, so I'll out your
email
in this folder to look into it. I would like to hope being in the house
of
Burgess he would be a little easier to track. Is this Francis Poythress
from
Mecklenburg? and what is his approximate birthdate?
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie, I am specifically interested in the marriage of Colonel Robert
> Wynne, Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
> Parliament, and Mary Poythress, widow of Francis Poythress. I have
> never found any information that would substantiate an even
approximate
> date of death for Francis. A number of researchers attempt to
determine
> his death date based on the birth of Joshua Wynne but that is just
> speculation, which is certainly something we all have to do at one
time
> or the other. However, I would like to know FOR SURE just which of
> Robert Wynne's children, if any, (he had four: Robert, Mary, Thomas
and
> Joshua) could have been children of Robert and Mary.
> Does anyone know the birth date of the last child of Francis and Mary
> Poythress?
> Please keep your eyes open for Francis' death,if you are able to do
any
> research in Richmond. Thank you ever so much, and it is refreshing to
> know that some of the younger generations are keeping the family
> histories going! Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
> Julie:
> Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> draught
> was fascinating.
>
> Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
>
> Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial Virginia
> and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> according to
> the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
an
>
> Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly
mentioned
> in Vol 5
> along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> would be
> great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in
fact
> they
> were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mary Jean
>
>
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04/12/2005 12:56:18
Re: Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Julie - So I'm unclear from your message -- what was the name of the
3rd child you know of, for Thomas Taylor? Perhaps you meant that the
Rebecca B. Taylor (who I asked about) was daughter of this Thomas Taylor?
Rebecca B. Taylor was the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress. They were married
in Mecklenburg Co, VA in April 1802, with their handwritten Marriage
Bond (9 Apr 1802) bearing the signatures of both Lewis Poythress and
Thomas Watson, signed in the presence of John Dortch.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Thomas Taylor has 3 children that I know of:
> 1.) David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778 in Mecklenburg VA
> 2) Goodwyn Taylor married Amy Malone. I know of two children for them:
> 1. Elizabeth Betsey Taylor married David Dortch 30 May 1798
> 2. Sarah Taylor married Abel Dortch
>
04/13/2005 2:23:27
RE: Poythress Creek
JLP
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/13/2005 2:25:44
Thomas Taylor's children & Rebecca B. Taylor, wife of Lewis Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Julie, for getting back on this, in your response Re: Dortch -
Taylor marriage(s). And thanks, for giving us info on Thomas Taylor's 3
children:
- David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778 in Mecklenburg VA
- Goodwyn Taylor married Amy Malone (Julie knew of two children for
them: Elizabeth Betsey Taylor who married David Dortch 30 May 1798,
and Sarah Taylor who married Abel Dortch)
- Mary Taylor who married John Holmes 20 Dec 1779 in Mecklenburg,
VA. (Julie noted Mary is daughter of Thomas Taylor & Penelope Goodwyn)
Noticing that one of those marriages you listed was for Thomas Taylor's
son David Taylor who married Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778, I guess it's
possible that Rebecca B. Taylor (who was 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress in
Apr 1802) may have been daughter of David Taylor & Rebecca Dortch.
At any rate, we'll look forward to any further info you may find out
about Rebecca B. Taylor's parents & birth. Wouldn't it be great if some
of the Taylor researchers might even have info giving the full names of
all of Rebecca B's Poythress children?
Barbara (BPN)
04/13/2005 3:06:32
Re: Poythress-Dortch relationship questions
Barbara P. Neal
Julie, you mentioned that "The family Bible shows Sarah G. Poythress
died 12 Dec 1854, but the date was hard to read." I would suggest that
perhaps that hard-to-read date *may* have included some year before
1854, such as perhaps "1851" since frequently in the old handwriting, a
"1" has a sort-of-tail up at the top of it, similar to a pointed-top "4."
If the date is earlier than 1854, then there would not have needed to
have been a divorce for the remainder of your info to "fit" together.
Sorry, but I have never seen anything that could clarify the 2 Dortch
women who married David Poythress. However, his 2nd wife Sally is
*probably* not your Sarah G. Poythress who married William Archer Dortch
in Jan 1837. You mentioned Sarah G. was born 16 Jan 1816. Sally Dortch
(David's 2nd wife) was more likely born in 1818-1820 (the 1850 Census
shows her as age 32 in David's household.) And David's wife Sally is
logically the 40-yr old "S.R." female in the 1860 Census record for
David Poythress, since we have no indication of David having married a
3rd time. That 1860 Census record, as Elaine transcribed it for us, from
Warren Co, NC, shows:
HH 425 – Warrenton , page 510, (enumerated) 27 June
Poythress, D., age 53, male, overseer, value real est. 3000, born
Mecklenburg, VA, cannot read and write
, S.R., age 40, female, born Mecklenburg, VA
, G.W., age 19, male, born Mecklenburg, VA
, C.D., age 11, male, born Mecklenburg, VA
, L.M., age 7, female, born Mecklenburg, VA
, A.M., age 4, female, born Mecklenburg, VA
So I'd suggest looking again at that hard-to-read year in the family
Bible death date for your Sarah G. Poythress.
Good luck -
Barbara (BPN)
04/13/2005 3:33:36
RE: Poythress Creek
Deloris Riley
Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
Poythress Creek? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/13/2005 3:33:52
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Hobson Wright has been most helpfully with sharing his info. He is in my family with the Thomas/Clary family and Wright family. I have a lot of that info but it is too large to transfer. I will share any you do not have. Just contact me and I will put on a disc and send you. Libbee
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
You family connects to mine then over in that 98th regt, where our family
tree branches criss cross a lot. I have a friend I need to hook you up with
if you haven't emailed him. His name is Hobson Wright. He is Gray/Jones kin
and also a Thomas and currently looking for Thomas kin in Mecklenburg.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS" >
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
connections
> My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird
> and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson.
> Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of
> the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the
> families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info
> you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research
> on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course
> the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee
> Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto>
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
> connections
>
>
> Mary Jean,
> I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and
> let
> you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder
> of
> things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it
> in
> this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
> Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my
> tree
> at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think
> I
> saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need
> to
> look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil
> war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
> Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
> families.
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is
> another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible
> of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so
> do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this
> is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
> William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >>
> To: >>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie:
> > Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> > eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> > draught
> > was fascinating.
> >
> > Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> > Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
> >
> > Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> > Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial
> > Virginia
> > and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> > according to
> > the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
> > Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in
> > Vol 5
> > along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> > would be
> > great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> > they
> > were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Jean
> >
> >
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> > www.poythress.net>
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04/13/2005 4:31:51
RE: Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
Deloris......yes'm, he was in VA as early as 1633....by the time of this
activity he was being referred to as Leuitenant, had accumulated some
land and obviously some respect. Here is the original post re Poythress
Creek:
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location Ive never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay.
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek.
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds Jetts Creek. Extend
the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords Chingoteque
Creek (identified in the modern gazetteer as Gingoteaque Creek flows
into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says its 38° 09 46N by 77° 06
05W. Overlooking Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically high ground.
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is whats a Poythress
doing that far north and doing so that early? My speculation: we
know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
reliable gazzateer and he wouldnt have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have discovered
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving friendly civilities from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have named it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
Id be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
Poythress Creek? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/13/2005 4:32:59
RE: Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
Mike.....somebody's ringing your doorbell Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/13/2005 4:33:37
Pleasant Hill
Julie Cabitto
I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for James
Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church. I
wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw the
church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance Betty
was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member of
the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info. Last
July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take
pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the
Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara
I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this list.
Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I asked,
and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll
have to go back and reread her letters.
One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they
were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth
pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little Indian
pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :).
I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long black
Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only Glover
generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover branches
and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors.
Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so you
didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in
another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we have
no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity, I'm
glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the
government chose for her.
Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is
another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to Charles
Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County. Richard
and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd
(John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of you
not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And this
is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even still
today.
So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how
definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this
area so late as 1860's?
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teresa Willis"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> Julie,
> I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's
> first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research
> or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys Morris
> Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister.
> And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange?
> Teresa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
>> Theresa,
>> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to
>> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's
>> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's
>> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of
>> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness. You
>> can still see the stars here 🙂
>> Love
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teresa Willis"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>>
>>
>>> Julie,
>>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times a
>>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I can
>>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
>>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest children
>>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course
>>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops.
>>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, &
>>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my
>>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
>>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to let
>>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
>>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress
>>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can
>>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my
>>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to
>>>> William Archer Dortch.
>>>>
>>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
>>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you
>>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in the
>>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
>>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
>>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields.
>>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed up
>>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I
>>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure
>>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge
>>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6
>>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
>>>>
>>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history! On
>>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
>>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which
>>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned of
>>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but I
>>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
>>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the flooding
>>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose a
>>>> thing to flooding.
>>>>
>>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
>>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting electricity.
>>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
>>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
>>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking pictures
>>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten
>>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden
>>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps
>>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
>>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on
>>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the
>>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington
>>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of the
>>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that
>>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over
>>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times.
>>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious
>>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used for
>>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own
>>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the
>>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that happens
>>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran)
>>>> about every 25 ye!
>>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
>>>> river...
>>>>
>>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel the
>>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
>>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
>>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil
>>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as
>>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco
>>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
>>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
>>>> strong undercurrents and tides.
>>>>
>>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
>>>> Love
>>>> Julie
>>>>
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04/13/2005 5:27:00
Re: Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
Julie Cabitto
I'm sorry I guess I got distracted and forgot to write the 3rd child. Mary
Taylor married John Holmes 20 Dec 1779 in Mecklenburg, VA. Mary is daughter
of Thomas Taylor and Penelope Goodwyn. I have not found who Rebecca
Taylor's parents are yet, but I am curious myself. I have a few different
Taylor connections and I'll start working on seeing what I can find.
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Dortch - Taylor marriage(s)
> Hi Julie - So I'm unclear from your message -- what was the name of the
> 3rd child you know of, for Thomas Taylor? Perhaps you meant that the
> Rebecca B. Taylor (who I asked about) was daughter of this Thomas Taylor?
>
> Rebecca B. Taylor was the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress. They were married
> in Mecklenburg Co, VA in April 1802, with their handwritten Marriage Bond
> (9 Apr 1802) bearing the signatures of both Lewis Poythress and Thomas
> Watson, signed in the presence of John Dortch.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
> Julie Cabitto wrote:
>> Thomas Taylor has 3 children that I know of:
>> 1.) David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778 in Mecklenburg VA
>> 2) Goodwyn Taylor married Amy Malone. I know of two children for them:
>> 1. Elizabeth Betsey Taylor married David Dortch 30 May 1798
>> 2. Sarah Taylor married Abel Dortch
>>
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04/13/2005 5:31:16
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Julie Cabitto
Libbee and Elizabeth,
So I don't bore the Poythress list, can you email me personally about these
people. I am currently working on this part of my tree. Do you have the will
of Nelly Jones? The Thomas children are included in it. I also have some
info I can send you in attachments. I have an intense interest in Jones and
Gray's in this 98th regt. (1850) Nelly Jones Rd. area. And have quite a lot
of connections here. This is where the deepest roots of my family stayed in
Mecklenburg from early colonial days.
Thanks,
Julie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
connections
> My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird
> and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson.
> Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of
> the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the
> families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info
> you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research
> on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course
> the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee
> Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
> connections
>
>
> Mary Jean,
> I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and
> let
> you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder
> of
> things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it
> in
> this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
> Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my
> tree
> at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think
> I
> saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need
> to
> look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil
> war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
> Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
> families.
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is
> another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible
> of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so
> do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this
> is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
> William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >
> To: >
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie:
> > Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> > eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> > draught
> > was fascinating.
> >
> > Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> > Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
> >
> > Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> > Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial
> > Virginia
> > and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> > according to
> > the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
> > Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in
> > Vol 5
> > along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> > would be
> > great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> > they
> > were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Jean
> >
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04/13/2005 5:37:50
Poythress-Dortch relationship questions
Julie Cabitto
I can't find which email it was but some one said they were a descendant of Sally Dortch and David Poythress. I saw some really big similarities in two Sarah's and was wondering if the list could help me sort it out by telling me what you about the Sarah Dortch married to David Poythress. Here's my thought, then I need to hear what you know to help me know if it was possible or not.
Even in my Dortch book, no one knows the parents of Sally Dortch that married David Poythress or the parents of Sally/Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch. My eyebrows raised in wonder a bit when I realized there's a very good possibility William Archer Dortch and Sally Poythress divorced. The family Bible shows Sarah G. Poythress died 12 Dec 1854, but the date was hard to read. And it said William married Elizabeth Mise in 1855. But I know that's not true because I've seen the marriage record. I think someone may have doctored the date to cover a divorce. William and Elizabeth Mise married 9 May 1854. Which means whichever the date was, William married Elizabeth Mise ast least 7 months before Sarah died.
So Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch was born 16 Jan 1816, and died about 1854. The Sally Dortch married to David Poythress was born abt 1818. Sally and David Poythress married 15 Mar 1848.
So could Sarah G. Poythress married William Archer Dortch in Jan 1837 then have Martha in 1838, Henrietta in 1839, Oliver Jasper Dortch in 1843, Alvin Dortch in 1844, Thomas Newman Dortch in 1847, then divorced William. Then married David Poythress in 1848, and had Charles David in 1849, Lucy in 1853, and Alice about 1856 and then died soon after?
One thing interesting to note is that Oliver Jasper and Charles David were on the Census together in warren county in 1870. Could they be brothers? We still don't know for sure who Sarah Poythress's parents are. Those of you on this list more familiar with Poythress would guess she is the daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. Which if she is indeed, then these two Sarah's could not be the same. Sarah Poythress and Sarah Dortch would be sister-in-laws. The problem I have is that I don't know anyone who for sure knows our Sarah Poythress parents or the parents of this Sally Dortch married to David Poythress. So if you are from this family do you know how long the Sally married to David Poythress lived?
Also, I have not yet been able to locate a divorce record for Sarah and William Archer Dortch or a chancery case.
Any help understanding these ancestors of mine would be greatly appreciated.
Love,
Julie
04/13/2005 6:03:52
RE: Poythress Dortch Relationship Questions
Hi Julie. Below is a post that was put on the Poythress Site some years ago
by Lyn Baird. It list a documented death year for Sarah G. Dortch as 1853 and
not the year 1854. Her husband Wm. A. Dortch was the source of information so
a divorce does not seem likely.
Take care,
Elaine
Subject: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg Deaths
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:56:57 -0600
The following were transcribed from microfilm at Library of Virginia on
3/23 by my mother, Beatrice Poythress Baird, and me:
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Deaths
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1861 P60,L96 Rebecca L. Stanley; W; F; 19 June 1861; of measles; age 52;
b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents L. and R. Portus [sic]; spouse of
Benj. Stanley; no source stated
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1861 P60,L97 Benjamin L. Stanley; W; M; 20 June 1861; of measles; age
23; b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents Benj. and R. L. Stanley;
unmarried; source Benj. Stanley father
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1867 P88,L53 James W. Stanley; W; M; 6 August 1867; typhoid fever; age
20; b. not stated; d. Brunswick; parents B. and R. Stanley; did not get
marital status; source B. Stanley father
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1868 P90,L15 Gertrude Stanley; W; F; 11 June 1868; of s_____; age 8
months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Brunswick; parents John and Lucy Stanley;
source Benj. Stanley grandfather
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1853; unnumbered 7th page; L10 Sarah G. Dortch; W; F; 1853; of
pneumonia; age 38; b. no given; d. Mecklenburg; no parents given; spouse
Wm. A. Dortch; source husband
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1853; unnumbered 7th page; L14 Benj. J. Poythress; W; M; 1853; of
diarrhea; age 10 months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
and L. J. Poythress; source father
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1855; P5 (1st page of 1855), L20 (112th line on page) D. Poythress
"hirer" reports death of slave owned by "B. Russell's estate"
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1874 South Hill Township L15 Bennett Poythress; W; M; no date given; of
consumption; age 8 months; b. Mecklenburg; D. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
and Lucy Poythress; source Thos. M. Poythress father
Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1874 South Hill Township L19 Isaac Taylor; W; M; 12 October 1874; of
heart disease; age 81 years 6 months; b. Mecklenburg, d. Mecklenburg;
widower; source D. T. Rideout son-in-law
Among the new information this provides are the following:
-confirmation of Rebecca Poythress Stanley as daughter of Lewis and
Rebecca Poythress;
-first record of presence of Sarah Poythress Dortch in Mecklenburg
County, Va., home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress;
-detection of two more children of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress;
-activity of David Poythress in Mecklenburg County in 1855.
Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
_llbaird@juno.com_ (mailto:llbaird@juno.com)
I can't find which email it was but some one said they were a descendant of
Sally Dortch and David Poythress. I saw some really big similarities in two
Sarah's and was wondering if the list could help me sort it out by telling me
what you about the Sarah Dortch married to David Poythress. Here's my thought,
then I need to hear what you know to help me know if it was possible or not.
Even in my Dortch book, no one knows the parents of Sally Dortch that
married David Poythress or the parents of Sally/Sarah Poythress that married
William Archer Dortch. My eyebrows raised in wonder a bit when I realized there's a
very good possibility William Archer Dortch and Sally Poythress divorced.
The family Bible shows Sarah G. Poythress died 12 Dec 1854, but the date was
hard to read. And it said William married Elizabeth Mise in 1855. But I know
that's not true because I've seen the marriage record. I think someone may have
doctored the date to cover a divorce. William and Elizabeth Mise married 9
May 1854. Which means whichever the date was, William married Elizabeth Mise
ast least 7 months before Sarah died.
So Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch was born 16 Jan 1816,
and died about 1854. The Sally Dortch married to David Poythress was born abt
1818. Sally and David Poythress married 15 Mar 1848.
So could Sarah G. Poythress married William Archer Dortch in Jan 1837 then
have Martha in 1838, Henrietta in 1839, Oliver Jasper Dortch in 1843, Alvin
Dortch in 1844, Thomas Newman Dortch in 1847, then divorced William. Then
married David Poythress in 1848, and had Charles David in 1849, Lucy in 1853, and
Alice about 1856 and then died soon after?
One thing interesting to note is that Oliver Jasper and Charles David were
on the Census together in warren county in 1870. Could they be brothers? We
still don't know for sure who Sarah Poythress's parents are. Those of you on
this list more familiar with Poythress would guess she is the daughter of Lewis
Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. Which if she is indeed, then these two Sarah's
could not be the same. Sarah Poythress and Sarah Dortch would be
sister-in-laws. The problem I have is that I don't know anyone who for sure knows our
Sarah Poythress parents or the parents of this Sally Dortch married to David
Poythress. So if you are from this family do you know how long the Sally
married to David Poythress lived?
Also, I have not yet been able to locate a divorce record for Sarah and
William Archer Dortch or a chancery case.
Any help understanding these ancestors of mine would be greatly appreciated.
Love,
Julie
04/13/2005 6:53:54
Re: Poythress Dortch Relationship Questions- and Lewis Poythress
Julie Cabitto
I am so happy I asked!!! We had been told the Dortch's in our line didn't
leave Mecklenburg until 1900, but they "disappeared" on records for about 20
years even though I could find marriages for children in Mecklenburg. I
checked the Mecklenburg Death records and could not find William, Sarah or
any of the children. Our family all lived in very southern Mecklenburg
County, very close to the Brunswick county line.
When I could not find any chancery or divorce cases, I too wondered if maybe
the year was off and Sarah died in 1853. I only have a transcribed copy of
the Bible, and unable to locate the original source. How great to know she
died in Brunswick, and that William was the informant. That is info our
family has looked for a long time.
So then it is very likely that Sarah Poythress and Sally Dortch were
sister-in-laws, which would make Oliver Jasper and Charles David Poythress
together in 1870 were first cousins.
So I have that Lewis Poythress married to Rebecca Taylor died July
1846/1848. Has anyone tried to look for a will or chancery case for him? If
not I will look in Richmond. I still want to see if it's possible find some
paper that shows Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch was
daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor.
I email Lyn from time to time about Cannon's and Kidds, so I'll have to
thank him for posting this info.
Thanks so much for helping me sort it out and figure out everyone!
Thanks,
Love
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress Dortch Relationship Questions
>
> Hi Julie. Below is a post that was put on the Poythress Site some years
> ago
> by Lyn Baird. It list a documented death year for Sarah G. Dortch as 1853
> and
> not the year 1854. Her husband Wm. A. Dortch was the source of information
> so
> a divorce does not seem likely.
> Take care,
> Elaine
> Subject: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg Deaths
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:56:57 -0600
> The following were transcribed from microfilm at Library of Virginia on
> 3/23 by my mother, Beatrice Poythress Baird, and me:
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Deaths
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1861 P60,L96 Rebecca L. Stanley; W; F; 19 June 1861; of measles; age 52;
> b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents L. and R. Portus [sic]; spouse of
> Benj. Stanley; no source stated
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1861 P60,L97 Benjamin L. Stanley; W; M; 20 June 1861; of measles; age
> 23; b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents Benj. and R. L. Stanley;
> unmarried; source Benj. Stanley father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1867 P88,L53 James W. Stanley; W; M; 6 August 1867; typhoid fever; age
> 20; b. not stated; d. Brunswick; parents B. and R. Stanley; did not get
> marital status; source B. Stanley father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1868 P90,L15 Gertrude Stanley; W; F; 11 June 1868; of s_____; age 8
> months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Brunswick; parents John and Lucy Stanley;
> source Benj. Stanley grandfather
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1853; unnumbered 7th page; L10 Sarah G. Dortch; W; F; 1853; of
> pneumonia; age 38; b. no given; d. Mecklenburg; no parents given; spouse
> Wm. A. Dortch; source husband
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1853; unnumbered 7th page; L14 Benj. J. Poythress; W; M; 1853; of
> diarrhea; age 10 months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
> and L. J. Poythress; source father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1855; P5 (1st page of 1855), L20 (112th line on page) D. Poythress
> "hirer" reports death of slave owned by "B. Russell's estate"
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1874 South Hill Township L15 Bennett Poythress; W; M; no date given; of
> consumption; age 8 months; b. Mecklenburg; D. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
> and Lucy Poythress; source Thos. M. Poythress father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1874 South Hill Township L19 Isaac Taylor; W; M; 12 October 1874; of
> heart disease; age 81 years 6 months; b. Mecklenburg, d. Mecklenburg;
> widower; source D. T. Rideout son-in-law
>
> Among the new information this provides are the following:
> -confirmation of Rebecca Poythress Stanley as daughter of Lewis and
> Rebecca Poythress;
> -first record of presence of Sarah Poythress Dortch in Mecklenburg
> County, Va., home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress;
> -detection of two more children of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress;
> -activity of David Poythress in Mecklenburg County in 1855.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn Poythress Baird
> _llbaird@juno.com_ (mailto:llbaird@juno.com)
>
>
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>
> I can't find which email it was but some one said they were a descendant
> of
> Sally Dortch and David Poythress. I saw some really big similarities in
> two
> Sarah's and was wondering if the list could help me sort it out by telling
> me
> what you about the Sarah Dortch married to David Poythress. Here's my
> thought,
> then I need to hear what you know to help me know if it was possible or
> not.
>
> Even in my Dortch book, no one knows the parents of Sally Dortch that
> married David Poythress or the parents of Sally/Sarah Poythress that
> married
> William Archer Dortch. My eyebrows raised in wonder a bit when I realized
> there's a
> very good possibility William Archer Dortch and Sally Poythress divorced.
> The family Bible shows Sarah G. Poythress died 12 Dec 1854, but the date
> was
> hard to read. And it said William married Elizabeth Mise in 1855. But I
> know
> that's not true because I've seen the marriage record. I think someone
> may have
> doctored the date to cover a divorce. William and Elizabeth Mise married
> 9
> May 1854. Which means whichever the date was, William married Elizabeth
> Mise
> ast least 7 months before Sarah died.
>
> So Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch was born 16 Jan
> 1816,
> and died about 1854. The Sally Dortch married to David Poythress was born
> abt
> 1818. Sally and David Poythress married 15 Mar 1848.
>
> So could Sarah G. Poythress married William Archer Dortch in Jan 1837
> then
> have Martha in 1838, Henrietta in 1839, Oliver Jasper Dortch in 1843,
> Alvin
> Dortch in 1844, Thomas Newman Dortch in 1847, then divorced William. Then
> married David Poythress in 1848, and had Charles David in 1849, Lucy in
> 1853, and
> Alice about 1856 and then died soon after?
>
> One thing interesting to note is that Oliver Jasper and Charles David
> were
> on the Census together in warren county in 1870. Could they be brothers?
> We
> still don't know for sure who Sarah Poythress's parents are. Those of you
> on
> this list more familiar with Poythress would guess she is the daughter of
> Lewis
> Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. Which if she is indeed, then these two
> Sarah's
> could not be the same. Sarah Poythress and Sarah Dortch would be
> sister-in-laws. The problem I have is that I don't know anyone who for
> sure knows our
> Sarah Poythress parents or the parents of this Sally Dortch married to
> David
> Poythress. So if you are from this family do you know how long the Sally
> married to David Poythress lived?
>
> Also, I have not yet been able to locate a divorce record for Sarah and
> William Archer Dortch or a chancery case.
> Any help understanding these ancestors of mine would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Love,
> Julie
>
>
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04/13/2005 10:03:51
Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the head.
They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second of
March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of Congress
and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act XVIII -
Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present Grand
Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast expence
of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common enemies the
Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge upon them,
they being dispersed and driven from their townes and habitations,
lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a peace (if
honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and comoditie of
the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by the authority
aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on the north side of
James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot baggs and swords, That
is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie county 4, James Citty
countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county eight, Eliz. Citty county 8,
and Northampton county 9 --- All which said men shall march under and be
obedient to the command of Leift. Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any
occasionall warr, And that upon all emergent occasions in the treaty for
the accomodation of a peace, the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall
follow the advice of Capt. Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry
Fleet shall according to his undertakeing and propositions made to the
Grand Assembly provide and make readie his barque, boat and shallop,
victualls and men for the manageing of the said vessells for the space
of sixe weeks, ...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe
happen that a peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the
said Fleet and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient
place in Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And
follow such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with possibly
a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most logical..as
would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first place.
Maynard
04/13/2005 11:18:42
Fort Wood
Barbara P. Neal
Crystal, good to see you're still on board & still working on the Native
side of the story. Sorry I don't know the answer to your question. Where
is/was Fort Wood?
Barbara (BPN)
04/14/2005 1:08:41
Re: Poythress Creek
Barbara P. Neal
Thank you again so much, Mike Tutor, for your wonderful pulling-up and
making available to our List recorded information that is so pertinent
from the originals available.
Barbara (BPN)
04/14/2005 1:38:16
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Julie Cabitto
If you click on the link it gives the year and county and the microfilm #.
Now that I know you have all but these two, I'll look for this in Richmond.
I have a scanner and can scan copies, for those interested. I'll let you all
know when I get these.
William in 1771 says it is a division of estate. And "Torrence" is in
parenthesis. Don't have a clue what that means. I've heard of Torrence CA 🙂
For John it says: Part of index to Brunswick County Wills and
Administrations (1732 - 1800) p. 341. Inv. & Appr. rec. June 1760.
Will Book 3, 1751-1761; 1765-1769 (Reel 20)
This looks like it is a will to me, but I'll pull it. Does this look like
what Lyn and his mother sent in?
I would be interested in your will list!
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: early Poythress will lin VA
> Julie...I have all of those wills except
>
> 1= Poythress, William 1771
>
> and
>
> 2= Potess (Poythress), John 1760 (actually what we have on this one is
> an estate inventory transcribed by Lyn Baird's mother but we don't have
> a will itself...that assumes it's the same guy).
>
> Did the index suggest where one would go to get these copies or do you
> perhaps know?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S. Ta Da! A deal: I have in my single archive 51 Poythress and
> Poythress related wills, most all of them Virginia. They are all in a
> single directory and I can paste the entire directory to an email where
> the receiver can simply look down the list and download only those that
> he or she is missing. (remember, I can't send it to "the board" because
> Rootsweb won't process an "attachment" and I can't "paste" the list to
> an email because my PC insists on making "an attachment" out of it) In
> return,you send me the transcription for any wills that YOU have that I
> am missing. Now that's a deal . Those interested just let me know.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
>
> This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
> things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the
> email,
> but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
> mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
> Love,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
> Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
>>
>>
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 3
>> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
>>
>> 4
>> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
>>
>> 5
>> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
>>
>> 6
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 7
>> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 8
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 9
>> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>> 1
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>
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04/14/2005 1:51:54
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Barbara P. Neal
Many of the Poythress wills (which Julie listed from Estate Index
entries) appear in full on our Poythress Research website -
http://www.poythress.net/
For those of you not familiar with how our website works, you can put
your cursor over the things shown along the top: in this case, put your
cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row of topics show up.
Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and click there. Then
you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and you can click on
each of them to see the record.
Barbara (BPN)
04/14/2005 2:09:14
Re: Sarah G. Poythress info and question to an earlier posting
Barbara P. Neal
Glad to know you, too, Julie had found the other deaths in the Library
of VA records; the more eyes seeing the same things in those old
records, the better -- as you noted such old records are very difficult
to work with.
Re your question "At the bottom of the email Lyn posted this paragraph.
I'm curious if you all knew how she was "in the home of her supposed
father, Lewis Poythress" because that is the very I have been seeking.
Or is this just a statement "supposed" because it is still just theory."
I understood Lyn's statement at the end of his transcribed death
records, to just be calling our attention to the fact that Sarah's death
record was the first actual record that showed Sarah G. Dortch (who we
know to have the maiden name of Poythress) being in Mecklenburg County
(which county was the home-county of her father, Lewis Poythress).
I do not think he was meaning to imply that she was in the household of
her father Lewis when she died, especially since it was Sarah's husband,
Wm A Dortch, who gave the death info.
Good luck in searching for more info on Lewis & Rebecca Poythress at the
LVA. I have not found in previous searches any estate record or any
chancery court record for him/them.
Barbara (BPN)
04/14/2005 2:12:41
RE: Poythress Creek
Deloris Riley
Thank you for the response. Now, my question is: Was the Francis,
supposedly Francis I, that was in Charles City County, Va (land deeds on
record there) the son of the one in King George County? I believe I
have been told the Francis Poythress that was in Charles City/Prince
George Co.,VA, was born in 1609; does that sound familiar? I know the
Poythress researchers have all of the correct info on him; I have seen
it but I can't quote it without looking at my records. Francis
Poythress I married Mary (perhaps a "Sloman") and when he died, she
married Colonel Robert Wynne. To my knowledge, and again, I could be
wrong, Mary's husband was never in King George County. Are we talking
about two separate Francis Poythress'? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Deloris......yes'm, he was in VA as early as 1633....by the time of this
activity he was being referred to as Leuitenant, had accumulated some
land and obviously some respect. Here is the original post re Poythress
Creek:
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location Ive never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay.
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek.
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds Jetts Creek. Extend
the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords Chingoteque
Creek (identified in the modern gazetteer as Gingoteaque Creek flows
into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says its 38° 09 46N by 77° 06
05W. Overlooking Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically high ground.
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is whats a Poythress
doing that far north and doing so that early? My speculation: we
know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
reliable gazzateer and he wouldnt have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have discovered
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving friendly civilities from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have named it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
Id be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
Poythress Creek? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/14/2005 2:52:15
Sarah G. Poythress info and question to an earlier posting
Julie Cabitto
I goofed and said Brunswick but I read wrong. Sarah G. Poythress Dortch did
die in Mecklenburg. I went to the Library of VA in 2003 and looked at this
same microfilm Lyn did (maybe not exact same roll but same information, a
copy), and it was the worst microfilm roll I have ever seen!!! Burned holes
in the pages, half sheets of paper torn off, the records that were
microfilmed were in terrible shape! Also there were a few places the
microfilm said "page missing". I had all these Poythress people that Lyn
wrote about below except Sarah, and she's the whole reason I looked through
that microfilm! I spent hours trying to read it carefully, to make sure I
didn't miss her. So glad Lyn and his mother saw her.
I posted before, but since we're on the subject, the family Bible said Sarah
G. Poythress was born 6 Jan 1816, and died 12 Dec 1854. Due to not seeing a
chancery or divorce record, and the date of William Archer Dortch's second
marriage to Elizabeth Mise in 1854, I assumed The death date should have
said 12 Dec 1853 instead of 1854. But posted a possible theory just in case
just to know more confidently whether there was a divorce or incorrect
transcription if the Bible. Now that there's this records, we do know it was
1853.
At the bottom of the email Lyn posted this paragraph. I'm curious if you all
knew how she was "in the home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress"
because that is the very I have been seeking. Or is this just a statement
"supposed" because it is still just theory. I think I saw in another email
that there is no known will for Lewis Poythress married to Rebecca Taylor. I
do hope to go to Richmond in May, and I would like to look for some
Poythress things there, especially on this family of Lewis and Rebecca. I
will also look for the other things you recently asked about.
Thanks,
Love
Julie
******
Among the new information this provides are the following:
-confirmation of Rebecca Poythress Stanley as daughter of Lewis and Rebecca
Poythress;
-first record of presence of Sarah Poythress Dortch in Mecklenburg County,
Va., home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress;
detection of two more children of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress;
-activity of David Poythress in Mecklenburg County in 1855.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn Poythress Baird
__________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress Dortch Relationship Questions
>
> Hi Julie. Below is a post that was put on the Poythress Site some years
> ago
> by Lyn Baird. It list a documented death year for Sarah G. Dortch as 1853
> and
> not the year 1854. Her husband Wm. A. Dortch was the source of information
> so
> a divorce does not seem likely.
> Take care,
> Elaine
> Subject: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg Deaths
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:56:57 -0600
> The following were transcribed from microfilm at Library of Virginia on
> 3/23 by my mother, Beatrice Poythress Baird, and me:
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Deaths
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1861 P60,L96 Rebecca L. Stanley; W; F; 19 June 1861; of measles; age 52;
> b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents L. and R. Portus [sic]; spouse of
> Benj. Stanley; no source stated
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1861 P60,L97 Benjamin L. Stanley; W; M; 20 June 1861; of measles; age
> 23; b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents Benj. and R. L. Stanley;
> unmarried; source Benj. Stanley father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1867 P88,L53 James W. Stanley; W; M; 6 August 1867; typhoid fever; age
> 20; b. not stated; d. Brunswick; parents B. and R. Stanley; did not get
> marital status; source B. Stanley father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
> 1868 P90,L15 Gertrude Stanley; W; F; 11 June 1868; of s_____; age 8
> months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Brunswick; parents John and Lucy Stanley;
> source Benj. Stanley grandfather
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1853; unnumbered 7th page; L10 Sarah G. Dortch; W; F; 1853; of
> pneumonia; age 38; b. no given; d. Mecklenburg; no parents given; spouse
> Wm. A. Dortch; source husband
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1853; unnumbered 7th page; L14 Benj. J. Poythress; W; M; 1853; of
> diarrhea; age 10 months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
> and L. J. Poythress; source father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1855; P5 (1st page of 1855), L20 (112th line on page) D. Poythress
> "hirer" reports death of slave owned by "B. Russell's estate"
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1874 South Hill Township L15 Bennett Poythress; W; M; no date given; of
> consumption; age 8 months; b. Mecklenburg; D. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
> and Lucy Poythress; source Thos. M. Poythress father
>
> Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
> 1853-1896
> 1874 South Hill Township L19 Isaac Taylor; W; M; 12 October 1874; of
> heart disease; age 81 years 6 months; b. Mecklenburg, d. Mecklenburg;
> widower; source D. T. Rideout son-in-law
>
> Among the new information this provides are the following:
> -confirmation of Rebecca Poythress Stanley as daughter of Lewis and
> Rebecca Poythress;
> -first record of presence of Sarah Poythress Dortch in Mecklenburg
> County, Va., home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress;
> -detection of two more children of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress;
> -activity of David Poythress in Mecklenburg County in 1855.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn Poythress Baird
> _llbaird@juno.com_ (mailto:llbaird@juno.com)
>
>
04/14/2005 3:15:40
early Poythress will lin VA
Julie Cabitto
Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
2
Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
3
Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
4
Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
5
Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
6
Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
7
Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
8
Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
9
Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
_______________________________________________________
1
Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
2
Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
04/14/2005 4:04:44
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Julie Cabitto
This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the email,
but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>
> 2
> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>
> 3
> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
>
> 4
> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
>
> 5
> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
>
> 6
> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>
> 7
> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>
> 8
> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>
> 9
> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>
> _______________________________________________________
> 1
> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>
> 2
> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
>
04/14/2005 4:21:15
RE: Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
Deloris....as far as I as have seen (and remember, most of these records
are long gone) there is no evidence that Francis Poythress (1) ever had
residence in King George County. And in fact the documentation exists
that "our" Francis 1 was SENT north on two occasions: first, to settle
some political problems among the colonists in Northumberland county
where there is evidence that he was a Burgess and remained for a
considerable period of time. Second, he was sent north with an
expedition to either entreat some Indians to peaceful purposes or to
build a fort. That would strongly suggest (if not prove) that a single
Francis was involved; and, that early in the game it could only be
Francis of Charles City County, b. ca 1609 Newent, Glos.
As best we can tell he arrived Virginia 1632-3 so by 1640's it's not
likely he would have a son leading an expedition north as an officer.
And he had a prior reputation as associating with Indians in one
endeavor or the other.
There seems little doubt that Col. Robert Wynne m. Francis' widow, Mary.
As for Mary's maiden name, we have not been successful in finding it.
There are several candidates, the most likely seeming to be Sloman, for
a couple of relatively obscure reasons, one of which being that Sloman
began to appear as a given name in the Wynne family following this
union.
As for the Poythress researchers "having all the information on him", I
wouldn't be inclined to make that claim and doubt that any on the wire
would either ....but thanks for the compliment.
If you would like to follow the thread of the messages re Poythress
Creek (which started only a couple of weeks ago) you can go to the
Rootsweb "archiver": http://archiver.rootsweb.com/, find the Poythress
site (alphabetical), go to 2005, find the first entry "Poythress Creek"
and they should all flow sequentially from that point.
Hope this helps.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:52 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Thank you for the response. Now, my question is: Was the Francis,
supposedly Francis I, that was in Charles City County, Va (land deeds on
record there) the son of the one in King George County? I believe I
have been told the Francis Poythress that was in Charles City/Prince
George Co.,VA, was born in 1609; does that sound familiar? I know the
Poythress researchers have all of the correct info on him; I have seen
it but I can't quote it without looking at my records. Francis
Poythress I married Mary (perhaps a "Sloman") and when he died, she
married Colonel Robert Wynne. To my knowledge, and again, I could be
wrong, Mary's husband was never in King George County. Are we talking
about two separate Francis Poythress'? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Deloris......yes'm, he was in VA as early as 1633....by the time of this
activity he was being referred to as Leuitenant, had accumulated some
land and obviously some respect. Here is the original post re Poythress
Creek:
We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
location Ive never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
The title of the article is Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.
The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
Virginia colonial real estate and families.
Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
beginning sentence of the article:
On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay.
There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: Virginia Land Office
Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
Creek.
A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds Jetts Creek. Extend
the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords Chingoteque
Creek (identified in the modern gazetteer as Gingoteaque Creek flows
into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
as described.
For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says its 38° 09 46N by 77° 06
05W. Overlooking Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically high ground.
I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is whats a Poythress
doing that far north and doing so that early? My speculation: we
know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
reliable gazzateer and he wouldnt have had to stray too far off line
for that journey. Francis would not likely have discovered
Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
and receiving friendly civilities from the Nanzatico Indians.
However, one supposes Francis could easily have named it.
Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
Id be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
two.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
Poythress Creek? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/14/2005 6:12:33
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Julie Cabitto
Thanks Barbara. I will check out this site, before I go pull any further
wills in Richmond.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
> Many of the Poythress wills (which Julie listed from Estate Index entries)
> appear in full on our Poythress Research website -
>
> http://www.poythress.net/
>
> For those of you not familiar with how our website works, you can put your
> cursor over the things shown along the top: in this case, put your cursor
> on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row of topics show up. Slide
> your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and click there. Then you'll
> have a list of many wills & estate records, and you can click on each of
> them to see the record.
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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04/14/2005 6:46:53
RE: early Poythress will lin VA
John M. Poythress
Julie...I have all of those wills except
1= Poythress, William 1771
and
2= Potess (Poythress), John 1760 (actually what we have on this one is
an estate inventory transcribed by Lyn Baird's mother but we don't have
a will itself...that assumes it's the same guy).
Did the index suggest where one would go to get these copies or do you
perhaps know?
Thanks,
Maynard
P. S. Ta Da! A deal: I have in my single archive 51 Poythress and
Poythress related wills, most all of them Virginia. They are all in a
single directory and I can paste the entire directory to an email where
the receiver can simply look down the list and download only those that
he or she is missing. (remember, I can't send it to "the board" because
Rootsweb won't process an "attachment" and I can't "paste" the list to
an email because my PC insists on making "an attachment" out of it) In
return,you send me the transcription for any wills that YOU have that I
am missing. Now that's a deal . Those interested just let me know.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the
email,
but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>
> 2
> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>
> 3
> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
>
> 4
> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
>
> 5
> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
>
> 6
> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>
> 7
> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>
> 8
> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>
> 9
> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>
> _______________________________________________________
> 1
> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>
> 2
> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
>
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04/14/2005 7:10:23
Re: RE: Poythress Creek
I have not seen this many messages on the Poythress Site in a long time.
I love all the renewed interest. It reminds me of when the site was first started.
I will dig through my Dortch notes again ,now that he seems we have more info & dates.
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2005/04/14 Thu PM 12:12:33 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Deloris....as far as I as have seen (and remember, most of these records
> are long gone) there is no evidence that Francis Poythress (1) ever had
> residence in King George County. And in fact the documentation exists
> that "our" Francis 1 was SENT north on two occasions: first, to settle
> some political problems among the colonists in Northumberland county
> where there is evidence that he was a Burgess and remained for a
> considerable period of time. Second, he was sent north with an
> expedition to either entreat some Indians to peaceful purposes or to
> build a fort. That would strongly suggest (if not prove) that a single
> Francis was involved; and, that early in the game it could only be
> Francis of Charles City County, b. ca 1609 Newent, Glos.
>
> As best we can tell he arrived Virginia 1632-3 so by 1640's it's not
> likely he would have a son leading an expedition north as an officer.
> And he had a prior reputation as associating with Indians in one
> endeavor or the other.
>
> There seems little doubt that Col. Robert Wynne m. Francis' widow, Mary.
> As for Mary's maiden name, we have not been successful in finding it.
> There are several candidates, the most likely seeming to be Sloman, for
> a couple of relatively obscure reasons, one of which being that Sloman
> began to appear as a given name in the Wynne family following this
> union.
>
> As for the Poythress researchers "having all the information on him", I
> wouldn't be inclined to make that claim and doubt that any on the wire
> would either ....but thanks for the compliment.
>
> If you would like to follow the thread of the messages re Poythress
> Creek (which started only a couple of weeks ago) you can go to the
> Rootsweb "archiver": http://archiver.rootsweb.com/, find the Poythress
> site (alphabetical), go to 2005, find the first entry "Poythress Creek"
> and they should all flow sequentially from that point.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Maynard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:52 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Thank you for the response. Now, my question is: Was the Francis,
> supposedly Francis I, that was in Charles City County, Va (land deeds on
> record there) the son of the one in King George County? I believe I
> have been told the Francis Poythress that was in Charles City/Prince
> George Co.,VA, was born in 1609; does that sound familiar? I know the
> Poythress researchers have all of the correct info on him; I have seen
> it but I can't quote it without looking at my records. Francis
> Poythress I married Mary (perhaps a "Sloman") and when he died, she
> married Colonel Robert Wynne. To my knowledge, and again, I could be
> wrong, Mary's husband was never in King George County. Are we talking
> about two separate Francis Poythress'? Deloris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Deloris......yes'm, he was in VA as early as 1633....by the time of this
> activity he was being referred to as Leuitenant, had accumulated some
> land and obviously some respect. Here is the original post re Poythress
> Creek:
>
> We have seen this reference multiple times; while some may know its
> location Ive never had a clue. For those in the boat with me, here is
> interesting information from an article in The Virginia Magazine of
> History & Biography, Vol. 73, # 4, October 1965:
>
> The title of the article is Nanzatico, King George County, Virginia.
> The author is George Green Shackelford, who is or was professor of
> history at VPI. Shackelford is a highly regarded Virginia and
> Confederate historian. I had some previous personal contact with him on
> a history matter unrelated to the Poythress family and was surprised to
> learn this week (years later) of his reputation as a researcher of
> Virginia colonial real estate and families.
>
> Shackelford is recounting the history of a early 2200 acre grant known
> as Nanzatico. I suspect the only part we are interested in is the very
> beginning sentence of the article:
>
> On December 8, 1656, Sir Henry Chicheley patented a 2,200 acre tract of
> lying on the north side of the Rappahannock River between Jett and
> Chingoteque Creeks and overlooking the broad expanse of Nanzatico Bay.
>
> There is a footnote for Jett Creek which cites: Virginia Land Office
> Records, old vol. V, p. 43. Jett Creek originally was named Poythress
> Creek and at various times was called Peetris, Pestris and Murdock
> Creek.
>
> A little work with the 1: 150,000 Gazetteer finds Jetts Creek. Extend
> the present county line between Caroline County and Essex County north
> across to the north bank of the Rappahannock where the county boundary
> changes to King George County. About a mile south of that point Jetts
> creek, looking to be about 3 miles long, flows into the Rappahannock
> moving SSW. About 3 miles further north Shackelfords Chingoteque
> Creek (identified in the modern gazetteer as Gingoteaque Creek flows
> into the Rappahannock moving in the same direction. Nanzatico Bay,
> something of a wide spot in the river, looks on the map to be almost
> exactly halfway between the two creeks on the northern bank, precisely
> as described.
>
> For those with a nautical bent, GNIS says its 38° 09 46N by 77° 06
> 05W. Overlooking Nanzatico Bay would have been an apt description;
> the north bank of the Rappahannock is topographically high ground.
>
> I suppose the first question that pops to my mind is whats a Poythress
> doing that far north and doing so that early? My speculation: we
> know Francis1 was sent Northumberland County mid-century to settle some
> type of political difficulties and in time became a Burgess for that
> county. Francis is on the records of Northumberland County in 1648,
> 1651 and 1657. However, Northumberland County, on the south bank at the
> mouth of the Potomac, is not likely to be reached from Charles City
> County via a crossing of the Rappahannock anywhere nearly as far north
> as Nanzatico Bay. However, Francis was certainly not armed with a
> reliable gazzateer and he wouldnt have had to stray too far off line
> for that journey. Francis would not likely have discovered
> Poythress Creek as John Smith is on record exploring the area in 1608
> and receiving friendly civilities from the Nanzatico Indians.
> However, one supposes Francis could easily have named it.
>
> Alternatively, we know that Francis was sent by the governor in charge
> of a group of militiamen to pacify some Indians and that trip could have
> been to almost anywhere given that we have no records of its direction.
>
> Id be happy to hear some alternative opinions if someone has one or
> two.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:34 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
> Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
> written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
> Poythress Creek? Deloris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
> this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
> the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
> was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
> might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
> name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
> Journal.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress Creek
>
>
> HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
> head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
> "barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
>
> Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
>
> March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
> of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
> Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
> XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
> Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
> expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
> enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
> upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
> habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
> peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
> comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
> the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
> the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
> baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
> county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
> eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
> said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
> Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
> all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
> the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
> Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
> his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
> and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
> the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
> ...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
> peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
> and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
> Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
> such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
> Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
> members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
> possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
>
> And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
> shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
> logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
> place.
>
> Maynard
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04/14/2005 9:51:50
Re: Poythress Creek
Michael Tutor
This from W. G. Stanard; found on the internet:
Henry Fleete (Sr.) was one of the early explorers. The ships Warwick and
Tiger sailed for Thames in 1621 with supplies, young women and wives for
planters in Virginia. They fell among Turk ships, the Tiger, was rescued and
landed in Jamestown, James County, Virginia. The ship was sent to upper
Potomac River to trade for corn. On another voyage the Tiger with Henry
Fleete (Sr.) and 21 men was attacked and Henry Fleete (Sr.) was taken
captured by the Yawaccomoo-o Indians on the Potomac River in 1623; remained
a captive until 1627, during which time he acquired a familiar knowledge of
their language; was ransomed, and in 1627 went to England. Becoming a
partner and agent for several London merchants, he was engaged for years in
the Indian trade. He was an interpreter, trader and legislator in Maryland,
and finally settled at Fleet's Bay, Lancaster County, Virginia. As early as
1629 he owned land in Virginia as recorded in the land office records. In
1631 the ship Warwick with Henry Fleete (Sr.) and John Dunton sailed
forAmerica and visited New England, James River and Chesapeake Bay. In 1632
he traded in NH and the Isles of Shoals. While there he was arrested by John
Utey because his papers were not in order. Governor Harvey and John Utey
become interested in Indians with furs to sell. Henry Fleete (Sr.) knew
them, so in order to get help from him they let him go free. He helped
establish Colvert Colony in Maryland and acted as interpreter and guide. He
settled in Maryland and was a prominent associate of Colvert. He was a
Maryland Legislature Member in 1638. In 1642 the Virginia assembly gave him
the right to explore for fourteen years. In 1644 Lord Baltimore gave him the
power to Captain General to visit the Susquehanna Indians and make a peace
treaty with them. In 1646 he was appointed to organize an expedition against
the Indians and build a fort in the valley of Rappahannock River. In
1652-1653 the Virginia assembly renewed the "Privilege of Discovery" by
authorizing Henry Fleete (Sr.) and William Claybourne to discover and trade
where no other Englishman had ever been before. In 1656 he served as Lt.
Colonel of the Militia and one of the Majesty Justices. He was Burgess for
Lancaster in 1652, and engaged in an expedition against the Indians in 1660.
His opinions in regard to Indian affairs seem to have had much weight in the
colony. He wrote "A Brief Journal of a Voyage made in the Bark Virginia, to
Virginia and the other parts of the Continent of American," the MS of which
is in the Lambeth Palace Library, London, and which Neill published in his
"Founders of Maryland." Streeter, in his "Papers Relating to the Early
History of Maryland," says of him: "He was an active man, a useful citizen,
a shrewd leader, an excellent interpreter, and contributed his full share
towards laying the foundations of the Colony of Maryland, and building up
the Colony of Virginia." He was the first to fix the name "Fleet" in the
records of the two states. Fleet's Bay, Virginia was given this name because
of Henry Fleete (Sr.)
Captain Henry Fleete (Sr.) was a justice of Lancaster County 1653, and on
the division of the county (when Rappanhannock County, Virginia was formed)
he was appointed by the Assembly, December 13, 1656, a Justice of Lancaster
(of the quorum, and 2nd in the commission), and lieutenant- colonel of
militia. (Lancaster Records). There is recorded in Northumberland County,
Virginia (the date is gone, but is about 1659), a deed from
Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Fleete (Sr.), conveying 300 acres of land to
Christopher Garlington. Sarah, wife of Col. Henry Fleete (Sr.), joins in the
deed. In 1650 he had a grant of 1,750 acres at Fleet's Bay, and received, in
all, grants for 13,197 acres. From a record in Lancaster, May 8, 1661, it
appears that Sarah Fleete was widow of Lt. Colonel Henry Fleete (Sr.). She
married subsequently Col. John Walker, of Rappahannock County (and formerly
of Gloucester County), member of the Council, and had by this marriage (as
appears from her will, recorded at Essex C. H.), several daughters, one of
whom was named Sarah. (It appears that Mr. Hayden was mistaken in his
statement in "Virginia Genealogies" that Edwin Conway married Sarah Fleete.
Her name was Sarah Walker, and hence the name of Walker Conway). There is
recorded in Lancaster, in 1715, and then acknowledged by Henry Fleete (Sr.),
a deed from the said Henry Fleete (Sr.), who, at the time of making it,
resided in Fairfield parish, Northumberland, conveying in consideration of
£1,000, all his title to 2,000 acres of land in Cittenburne parish, which
was granted to Col. Henry Fleete (Sr.) in 1657; afterwards, in 1661, granted
to Walter Granger, who assigned it to Col. John Walker, and by Walker's will
it was left to his (Walker's) daughter, Sarah, and had since been surveyed
and divided by said Conway in right of his wife, Sarah. There are also
several deeds at Essex C. H., which speak of Sarah, wife of Edwin Conway, as
one of the daughters and co-heiresses of Col. John Walker.
See "Henry Fleete and Fleet's Island" historic sign by Virginia Department
of Historic Resources, 1995.
Lieutenant Poythress and Captain Henry Fleet went up the Rappahannock
together to make a treaty with the Indians and to build a fort. Fleet may
have left a record and there may be records in Maryland also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
> Mike.....somebody's ringing your doorbell Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:26 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
>
> Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
> this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
> the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
> was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
> might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
> name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
> Journal.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress Creek
>
>
> HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
> head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
> "barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
>
> Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
>
> March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
> of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
> Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
> XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
> Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
> expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
> enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
> upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
> habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
> peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
> comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
> the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
> the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
> baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
> county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
> eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
> said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
> Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
> all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
> the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
> Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
> his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
> and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
> the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
> ...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
> peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
> and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
> Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
> such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
> Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
> members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
> possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
>
> And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
> shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
> logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
> place.
>
> Maynard
>
>
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04/14/2005 11:08:48
Re: Poythress Creek
Michael Tutor
Anytime.....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress Creek
> Thank you again so much, Mike Tutor, for your wonderful pulling-up and
> making available to our List recorded information that is so pertinent
> from the originals available.
> Barbara (BPN)
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04/14/2005 11:18:58
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Pat
I'd appreciate the list ogf Poythress wills.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: early Poythress will lin VA
> Julie...I have all of those wills except
>
> 1= Poythress, William 1771
>
> and
>
> 2= Potess (Poythress), John 1760 (actually what we have on this one is
> an estate inventory transcribed by Lyn Baird's mother but we don't have
> a will itself...that assumes it's the same guy).
>
> Did the index suggest where one would go to get these copies or do you
> perhaps know?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S. Ta Da! A deal: I have in my single archive 51 Poythress and
> Poythress related wills, most all of them Virginia. They are all in a
> single directory and I can paste the entire directory to an email where
> the receiver can simply look down the list and download only those that
> he or she is missing. (remember, I can't send it to "the board" because
> Rootsweb won't process an "attachment" and I can't "paste" the list to
> an email because my PC insists on making "an attachment" out of it) In
> return,you send me the transcription for any wills that YOU have that I
> am missing. Now that's a deal . Those interested just let me know.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
>
> This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
> things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the
> email,
> but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
> mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
> Love,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
> Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
>>
>>
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 3
>> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
>>
>> 4
>> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
>>
>> 5
>> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
>>
>> 6
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 7
>> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 8
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 9
>> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>> 1
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
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04/14/2005 11:38:49
RE: Poythress Creek
Crystal
Was this Fort Wood? By chance? It is certainly the correct time frame for this.
Just when you guys think that I'm no longer around...UP I pop. LOL
Still meddling along with the Native side of the story.
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley
Sent: Apr 13, 2005 10:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Your research is fascinating! Does the foregoing mean that Francis
Poythress I was in Virginia as early as 1645/46? Is this the first
written record of him? I hate to sound so ignorant but WHERE is/was
Poythress Creek? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Just put that down as a lucky guess . But there has to be more to
this story. What was the outcome of the expedition? Did they build
the fort? Did they meet with the Indians? Etc., etc. Surely there
was a follow-up report on the expedition (and with a little luck we
might gain some better insight into why that creek got its original
name). That report would be - I'd guess - in the Governor's Council's
Journal.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Creek
HO! Lou...you're a pretty fair speculator and hit it right on the
head. They went by boat..Capt. Phillips being ordered to get ready his
"barque, boat and shallop" for the trip.
Mike Tutor dug out the citation for us:
March 2nd, 1645/6, Grand Assembly. Holden at James Cittie The Second
of March 1645/6, 21st Charles 1st. Manuscript in the Library of
Congress and compiled in Hening's Statutes Vol. 1, pp. 317-318. Act
XVIII - Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present
Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and considered the great and vast
expence of the collony, in prosecuting the warr against our common
enemies the Indians, and the almost impossibility of a further revenge
upon them, they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up & downe the woods in small numbers, And that a
peace (if honourably obtained) would conduce to the better being and
comoditie of the country, have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by
the authority aforesaid, That three-score men be forthwith raised on
the north side of James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
baggs and swords, That is'to say, from Henrico 2 men, Charles Cittie
county 4, James Citty countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county
eight, Eliz. Citty county 8, and Northampton county 9 --- All which
said men shall march under and be obedient to the command of Leift.
Fra: Poythers in the manageing of any occasionall warr, And that upon
all emergent occasions in the treaty for the accomodation of a peace,
the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers shall follow the advice of Capt.
Henry Fleet, And that the said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to
his undertakeing and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide
and make readie his barque, boat and shallop, victualls and men for
the manageing of the said vessells for the space of sixe weeks,
...[description of provisions]...and if it shall soe happen that a
peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they the said Fleet
and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in any convenient place in
Rappahannock River, or before if they shall soe think fitt, And follow
such further instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand
Assembly or the Governour and council. (Though there is not a list of
members for this assembly, the membership must have been, with
possibly a few exceptions, the same as in the previous session).
And given the inclination of hostiles to shoot arrows from the
shore..anchoring in the middle of Zantico Bay would be most
logical..as would getting there via the Rappahannock in the first
place.
Maynard
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04/14/2005 11:41:28
Torrence - re wills in VA
Barbara P. Neal
Clayton Torrence did a book, back in 1972 (or earlier, if that date was
from a reprint), "Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800: An Index
of Wills Recorded in Local Courts of Virginia 1632-1800 and of
Administrations on Estates Shown by Inventories of Estates of Intestates
Recorded in Will (and Other) Books of Local Courts 1632-1800"
So the reference you saw meant that it had been listed by him in that book.
As you can see from the title of Torrence's book, he didn't even attempt
to list wills (or estates of people without wills - administrations of
an intestate person) that were recorded after 1800.
Plus, other folks found later that there were indeed some wills &
administrations that Torrence didn't find. Thus, for example, William
Lindsay Hopkins did a book in 1987, "Some Wills From the Burned Counties
of Virginia Not Listed in Torrence's ..."
Barbara
Julie Cabitto wrote:
> If you click on the link it gives the year and county and the microfilm
> #. Now that I know you have all but these two, I'll look for this in
> Richmond. I have a scanner and can scan copies, for those interested.
> I'll let you all know when I get these.
>
> William in 1771 says it is a division of estate. And "Torrence" is in
> parenthesis. Don't have a clue what that means. I've heard of Torrence
> CA 🙂
>
> For John it says: Part of index to Brunswick County Wills and
> Administrations (1732 - 1800) p. 341. Inv. & Appr. rec. June 1760.
> Will Book 3, 1751-1761; 1765-1769 (Reel 20)
> This looks like it is a will to me, but I'll pull it. Does this look
> like what Lyn and his mother sent in?
>
> I would be interested in your will list!
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Poythress"
>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:10 PM
> Subject: RE: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
>> Julie...I have all of those wills except
>>
>> 1= Poythress, William 1771
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2= Potess (Poythress), John 1760 (actually what we have on this one is
>> an estate inventory transcribed by Lyn Baird's mother but we don't have
>> a will itself...that assumes it's the same guy).
>>
>> Did the index suggest where one would go to get these copies or do you
>> perhaps know?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>> P. S. Ta Da! A deal: I have in my single archive 51 Poythress and
>> Poythress related wills, most all of them Virginia. They are all in a
>> single directory and I can paste the entire directory to an email where
>> the receiver can simply look down the list and download only those that
>> he or she is missing. (remember, I can't send it to "the board" because
>> Rootsweb won't process an "attachment" and I can't "paste" the list to
>> an email because my PC insists on making "an attachment" out of it) In
>> return,you send me the transcription for any wills that YOU have that I
>> am missing. Now that's a deal . Those interested just let me know.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
>>
>> This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
>> things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the
>> email,
>> but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
>> mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
>> Love,
>> Julie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Cabitto"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
>> Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
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>>> 2
>>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
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>>> 3
>>> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
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>>> 4
>>> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
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>>> 5
>>> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
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>>> 6
>>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>>
>>> 7
>>> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>>>
>>> 8
>>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>>
>>> 9
>>> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>>>
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>>> 1
>>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>>
>>> 2
>>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
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04/14/2005 12:24:13
Torrence - re wills in VA
Barbara P. Neal
Clayton Torrence did a book, back in 1972 (or earlier, if that date was
from a reprint), "Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800: An Index
of Wills Recorded in Local Courts of Virginia 1632-1800 and of
Administrations on Estates Shown by Inventories of Estates of Intestates
Recorded in Will (and Other) Books of Local Courts 1632-1800"
So the reference you saw meant that it had been listed by him in that book.
As you can see from the title of Torrence's book, he didn't even attempt
to list wills (or estates of people without wills - administrations of
an intestate person) that were recorded after 1800.
Plus, other folks found later that there were indeed some wills &
administrations that Torrence didn't find. Thus, for example, William
Lindsay Hopkins did a book in 1987, "Some Wills From the Burned Counties
of Virginia Not Listed in Torrence's ..."
Barbara
04/14/2005 12:24:39
Maynard's list of 51 wills
Barbara P. Neal
For those who don't have a fast enough internet connection to want 51
attached document & image files, here is the list of the names of the
files, as Maynard had named them.
I have not had time to look at any of the 51 attachments, but I can tell
you that the beginning of each file name is the year. I recognize the
first few as being from England; I recognize a few as ones that I
transcribed & a number as ones that Maynard transcribed.
From comparing these file names Maynard gave to the estate items, to
the names of the ones available on our Poythress Research website, I
have put an "X" beside all the ones that are available on the website.
Our Poythress Research website, as I mentioned earlier today, is at
http://www.poythress.net/
(& as I said earlier, for anyone not familiar with how our website
works, you can put your cursor over the things shown along the top: in
this case, put your cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row
of topics show up. Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and
click there. Then you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and
you can click on each of them to see the record.)
Barbara (BPN)
X 1582 Pewtresse, Johnne
X 1592 Pewtresse, Thomas
1639 Poythras, Edmond
1675 Wynne, Robert
1692 Poythress, Rebecca
X 1712 Poythres, John
X 1712Poythres,JohnImage.zm8
1719 Bland, Richard
X 1724 Poythress, John
1727 Batte, Henry
1729 Worsham, John
1739 Hicks, Robert
X 1739 Poythress, Joshua
1740 Poythress, Edmund
1740 Poythress, Elizabeth
X 1743 Poythress, Robert
1751 Cocke, Elizabeth Pleasant
1756 Short, William IV
1759 Anderson, Elizabeth
1760 John Poythress, Jr.
X 1760 Poythress, Mary
X 1769 Randolph, Henry
1772 Poythress, Mary
1775 Poythress, William
1779 Eppes, Thomas
X 1779 Poythress, John
X 1781 Poythress, Edward
1785 Morison, John
1786 Poythress, Peter
1787 Poythress, Elizabeth
1787 Robertson, Alexander
1788 Poythress, Mary
1790 Buchanan, William
1790 Gilliam, John (younger)
1790 Gordon, Ann Isham
1791 Cleaton, William
1791 Gilliam, John (elder)
1794 Poythress, William
X 1796 Poythress, Francis
1798 Collier, Frederick
1813 Poythress, John
X 1818 Giles, Edward
X 1818 Poythress, Jack
1818 Poythress, Patrick Henry
1828 Poythress, Cleton
X 1828 Poythress, William
X 1832 Poythress, George
1835 Preston, Joshua
X 1853 Poythress, Joseph
X 1854 Poythress, Mary
1862 Poythress, John C.
04/14/2005 12:56:42
FW: Maynard's list of 51 wills
JLP
Crystal wrote:
To all of list:
I would like to draw attention back to Robert Hicks, John Wall and
Anne Poythress. Has there been any progress made on documentation that
Anne married John? My interest is for the trade that these gents were
conducting....
Steve Wall (and his father) and I have the most interest in your
question, and I've not been able to make any more progress on the
question mainly because I seem to have exhausted the known, extant
records. For what it's worth, though, I'm even more convinced that
Ann Poythress did indeed marry John Wall, Jr., than I was a few years
ago (mainly from not finding anything to contradict that theory).
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
04/15/2005 2:16:34
RE: Poythress Creek
John M. Poythress
Crystal.....you chicken thief, you do have a way of popping out of the
woodwork. Now that we know you are articulate as all get out and also
able to sit up and take nourishment, where is that long article on "the
Saponi Connection" that you promised?
I would like to have it to include in a CD-ROM capturing all the factual
Poythress stuff we know (or think we know)....which I plan to burn
before the end of the year and make available to all who want a copy
then.
Bless you.
Maynard
04/15/2005 4:37:41
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Does anyone have an info on the children of Ruth Irvin Poythress. Thanks Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Thanks Barbara. I will check out this site, before I go pull any further
wills in Richmond.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal" >
To: >
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
> Many of the Poythress wills (which Julie listed from Estate Index entries)
> appear in full on our Poythress Research website -
>
> http://www.poythress.net/
>
> For those of you not familiar with how our website works, you can put your
> cursor over the things shown along the top: in this case, put your cursor
> on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row of topics show up. Slide
> your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and click there. Then you'll
> have a list of many wills & estate records, and you can click on each of
> them to see the record.
> Barbara (BPN)
>
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04/15/2005 6:38:02
Obituary/Etc. of James Speed Poythress and Martha Grice Raiford Poythress
Hello all. I am really enjoying all of the information being posted on the
Poythress List this week. You guy WOW me with the extent of research you have
done.
I have never seen the obituaries of James Speed Poythress and his wife
Martha Grice Raiford Poythress posted on the P-List. I got my hands on copies of
the newspaper pages and will post them so they are on here.
These are all from the Meridian Star Newspaper. Meridian is in Lauderdale
County, Mississippi.
Take care,
Elaine
Monday August 20, 1917
Old Meridian Resident Died Sunday Afternoon
Mrs. J.S. Poythress aged 78 years, one of Meridian's oldest and best know
residents, passed away at her home Sunday afternoon at 4 o'clock , 903 Braxton
Avenue. Mrs. Poythress has lived in Meridian for the past 27 years, coming
here from Sumter County.
She is survived by her husband, J.Poythress, two daughters, Mrs. C.M. Card
and Miss Mary Poythress, both of Meridian and seven sons, C.W., R.H., C.H.,
J.D., (sic) J.F. of Meridian; (sic) R.R. of Reform, AL and R.L. of St. Louis.
No funeral arrangements have yet been made, arrival of relatives being
awaited. C.H. Poythress, son of the deceased was located in Washington, D.C. and
is now en route to Meridian. Arrangements will be made later.
Tuesday August 21, 1917
Necrological
Mrs. J.S. Poythress
The funeral of Mrs. J.S. Poythress who died at her home on South Side Sunday
afternoon, will be held Wednesday morning at 9:30 o'clock from the Hawkins
Memorial Church. Servides will be held at the church, followed by Interment in
Rose Hill cemetery. Pall bearers:
Honorary - E.H. Dial, Tom Lyle, Dr. M.J. Lowry, D.E. Williams, C.M. Dunn,
Cliff Williams, Cliff Russell and B.T. Chapman.
Active - W.D. Hawkins, Ed Hayes, C.H. White, E.B. McLean, A.L. Culpepper,
W.H. Owen, H.E. Simmons and H.E. Montgomery
March 17, 1923
Necrological
James S. Poythress
James S. Poythress 94 years of age, one of the oldest residents of this
section of the state and a pioneer settler of Meridian died this morning at 2:15
o'clock at his home 903 Braxton Avenue.
He is survived by one daughter, Mrs. C.(sic) N. Card., and seven sons, (sic)
J.B., R.L., C.W., R.H., J.T., B.R., and C. H. Poythress.
Funeral arrangements will be announced in Sunday's star.
March 18, 1923
Necrological
James S. Poythress
The funeral of James S. Poythress age 94, will be held at the Hawkins
memorial church Sunday afternoon at 3:30 o'clock. Dr. Little officiating, assisted
by Rev. Blanding Vaughn, and Rev. J.M. Lewis. Interment will take place in
Rose Hill cemetery.
Pall bearers: Acitve - C.H. Anderson, Mose Crawford, W. Zackary, J.F.
Atwood, M.F. Simmons and W.D. Chatham.
Honary - Hon. C.C. Dunn, Dr. James Bennett, B.T. Chatman, M.J. Lowry, Rev.
Frank
(sic) DeLaaBr, and Tom Lyle.
04/15/2005 9:01:24
RE: Poythress Creek
Crystal
Deloris is correct with the info on Fort Wood. This was a pre-requisite to Fort Christanna. There is a dig going on now in the vicinity of Fort Wood on the old Bland land. I'm waiting to hear from the lead archeaologist on comparing notes.
Maynard, oh Maynard, how I love thee and the words of wisdom you offer. Chicken Thief? lol. I am still currently working on pooling some info regarding that. Chugging right along I must say. Still on the hunt for Hardyman Poythress and still have the same thought process as before, grandson or great grandson of Joshua of Flowerdew Hundred. I am also working on the NDN trade prior and during Fort Christanna and their affiliated families. I have managed to accumulate some wonderful pictures of the "Portuguese Settlement" and they are beginning to trust us more. We have arranged a meeting for the 13th of May for all the "Portuguese" researchers in Roanoke Rapids. Should be very interesting.
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent: Apr 15, 2005 10:37 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress Creek
Crystal.....you chicken thief, you do have a way of popping out of the
woodwork. Now that we know you are articulate as all get out and also
able to sit up and take nourishment, where is that long article on "the
Saponi Connection" that you promised?
I would like to have it to include in a CD-ROM capturing all the factual
Poythress stuff we know (or think we know)....which I plan to burn
before the end of the year and make available to all who want a copy
then.
Bless you.
Maynard
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04/15/2005 11:45:25
Re: Maynard's list of 51 wills
Crystal
To all of list:
I would like to draw attention back to Robert Hicks, John Wall and Anne Poythress. Has there been any progress made on documentation that Anne married John? My interest is for the trade that these gents were conducting. And, has anyone found anything on Edmund Poythress that had a warrant out for his arrest for stealing horses? I liked the description of him and makes me wonder if he was a mixed blood. He was described as about 26 years old, middle stature, red skin, red/brown hair with red eyelashes and red eyebrows. (sounds like me and Barbara ).
One last question, William Porteus, Southampton Co VA, fined for not paying taxes on his wife.
Southampton County
12 October 1752, John Artis, a "negro," petitioned the court to add his wife Sarah to the list of tithables. And on 11 April and 13 June 1754 William Bynum (informer), in order to secure half the fine awarded to informers, brought suit against Francis Locust, John Roberts, John Byrd, Sr., James Brooks, James Brooks, Jr., John Byrd, Jr., Abraham Artis, Lewis Artis, William Brooks, John Demory, Ann Brooks, William Tabor, William Porteus, Thomas Wilkins, and Isaac Young. The presentment against Thomas Wilkins was dismissed. All others at first pleaded innocent, but later changed their plea to guilty and were fined either 500 or 1000 pounds of tobacco [Orders 1749-54, 283, 473, 495, 496, 500, 501, 510-12].
Anyone claiming this gent yet? Is this the same William that's in Bertie with wife Anne who sells land to Mathew Turner in 1757?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
Sent: Apr 14, 2005 9:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Maynard's list of 51 wills
For those who don't have a fast enough internet connection to want 51
attached document & image files, here is the list of the names of the
files, as Maynard had named them.
I have not had time to look at any of the 51 attachments, but I can tell
you that the beginning of each file name is the year. I recognize the
first few as being from England; I recognize a few as ones that I
transcribed & a number as ones that Maynard transcribed.
From comparing these file names Maynard gave to the estate items, to
the names of the ones available on our Poythress Research website, I
have put an "X" beside all the ones that are available on the website.
Our Poythress Research website, as I mentioned earlier today, is at
http://www.poythress.net/
(& as I said earlier, for anyone not familiar with how our website
works, you can put your cursor over the things shown along the top: in
this case, put your cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row
of topics show up. Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and
click there. Then you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and
you can click on each of them to see the record.)
Barbara (BPN)
X 1582 Pewtresse, Johnne
X 1592 Pewtresse, Thomas
1639 Poythras, Edmond
1675 Wynne, Robert
1692 Poythress, Rebecca
X 1712 Poythres, John
X 1712Poythres,JohnImage.zm8
1719 Bland, Richard
X 1724 Poythress, John
1727 Batte, Henry
1729 Worsham, John
1739 Hicks, Robert
X 1739 Poythress, Joshua
1740 Poythress, Edmund
1740 Poythress, Elizabeth
X 1743 Poythress, Robert
1751 Cocke, Elizabeth Pleasant
1756 Short, William IV
1759 Anderson, Elizabeth
1760 John Poythress, Jr.
X 1760 Poythress, Mary
X 1769 Randolph, Henry
1772 Poythress, Mary
1775 Poythress, William
1779 Eppes, Thomas
X 1779 Poythress, John
X 1781 Poythress, Edward
1785 Morison, John
1786 Poythress, Peter
1787 Poythress, Elizabeth
1787 Robertson, Alexander
1788 Poythress, Mary
1790 Buchanan, William
1790 Gilliam, John (younger)
1790 Gordon, Ann Isham
1791 Cleaton, William
1791 Gilliam, John (elder)
1794 Poythress, William
X 1796 Poythress, Francis
1798 Collier, Frederick
1813 Poythress, John
X 1818 Giles, Edward
X 1818 Poythress, Jack
1818 Poythress, Patrick Henry
1828 Poythress, Cleton
X 1828 Poythress, William
X 1832 Poythress, George
1835 Preston, Joshua
X 1853 Poythress, Joseph
X 1854 Poythress, Mary
1862 Poythress, John C.
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04/15/2005 11:53:45
Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Randy Jones
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the worlds highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 2:27:08
RE: The Indian Company
JLP
Shouldn't Robert Hicks be on that list. I think I saw somewhere that
he was one of the officers in the militia that "oversaw" the move, and
I know that he later became the militia captain at Fort Christiana.
BTW, I've been lately searching Chowan and very early Bertie, NC,
records, and have been noticing many familiar names in those records,
including Robert Hicks. I'd not be surprised that a good number of
the these men were doing business down in NC along the Morattock River
(original NC name for the Roanoke River).
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal [mailto:rosebudsaponi@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
from a previous post located on Poythress archives...I believe that
this was from our wonderful Al but I'm not 100% on that one.
"According to Leonidas Dodson's "Alexander Spotswood: Governor of
Colonial Virginia 1719-1722" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania
Press,
1933, p. 86)
Those know to have been members of the Virginia Indian Company are:
John Baylor, Peter Beverley, Arthur Bickerdale, Richard Bland,
Charles Chiswell, William Cocke, William Cole, William Dandridge, Cole
Digges, Nathaniel Harrison, John Holloway, Robert Innes, Henry Irwin,
Thomas Jones,Edmund Kearney, Thomas Nelson, Mann Page, William
Robertson, Alexander Spotswood, and E. Walker.
Also, according to Dodson, subscriptions (stock) in the Virginia
Indian Company could be purchased for L50 to L100. A 1981 unpublished
version of a manuscript by Mary Beaudry of Boston University
(Submitted for publication in The Comparative Archaeology of European
Colonialism, Stephen Dyson [ed]] titled Colonizing the Virginia
frontier: Fort Christanna and Governor Spottswood's Indian Policy
states:
"Most of the powerful independent traders already engaged in the
Indian trade declined to subscribe and used their influence to prevent
others from doing so. At the close of the prescribed period of
subscription, no one had purchased stock."....
Here is a list of gents that received land for movement of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia.
John Wall
Thomas Smith
Edward Brantley (sold his to Owen Myrick)
Richard Smith
Woen Myrick
Francis West
John Baptis Curtis
John Pe(a)rson
Martin Middleton
John Guilliam
John E. Myrick
Benjamin Howard
John Peterson
John Thweat
Anyone that we're leaving out?
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 3:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
Dear Lou:
Forgive me for using your first name but I quite want to thank you as
well
as Crystal and many others for the wonderful research you have all
done. Even
more to thank you all for the history this list imparts and you all
contribute. It is much fun!
Regarding the Indian company, I did some quick searches and found new
information for me, but perhaps not to you or several others.
However, in the
event others might wish to find out about the "Indian Company," I
offer these
sites I am listing. If you can enlighten us more on "the company,"
please do so.
Thanks again, Mary Jean
Use the edit - find function on your browser: Indian Company
the record of the survey of 1063 acres for
the Indian Company on Nov. 21, 1716, is in the Prince George County
deed
book, Deeds, Etc., 1713-1726, Archives Division, Virginia State
Library.
In a message dated 04/15/2005 9:17:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
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04/16/2005 3:40:44
RE: The Indian Company
JLP
Crystal, I think you're right-on with some of your theories. It's a
little known fact that a whole lot of the "money men" in the early
colonies were involved in the Indian Trade. Furs were, effectively,
the only money-making cash "crop" with which to barter for goods from
England. (I know, I know, everyone thinks tobacco was the big money
maker, but it required land, huge expenditures of labor, was subject
to the whims of nature, etc., etc.; my opinion is that tobacco wasn't
that big a source of income for many years, if it ever was [read how
all the big plantation owners were losing their shirts to the English
merchants on sales of tobacco for evidence of this last assertion].)
It's also a little known fact that many of those who actively went out
into the field and traded with the Indians "married" Indian wives.
That was the "ticket" to the reservation, so to speak. Since my own
William Pettipool is known to have been down in SC as early as 1711
with a license for trading with the Indians (along with a number of
other men in the Monk's Neck neighborhood), I have no doubt that I've
some distant Indian cousins out there somewhere .
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal [mailto:rosebudsaponi@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Indian Company
Lou,
My take on the whole James River thing is that all the "James River
Plantations" were involved in some way, shape form and fashion. One
has to remember, too, that not only were they trading skins and furs
with commodities but they were trading indians themselves as well as
keeping noses to the ground searching for the "lost" copper mines that
were prevalant among the natives but a mystery to the English. This
is...my opinion...the underlying reason for Nathaniel Bacon's attack
on the Occaneechi. They controlled the trade and were a fierce tribe
to contend with. Beyond the Island where they sat was the trade path
and that would have taken them straight to the copper mines of Western
VA and Western NC, on down to SC and GA. I have a ton of theories
going through my head about what these gents were thinking and motives
for their actions. It was in their best interest to "marry" into these
tribes for peace, the tribes would sell out their women for
"contracts", their men for sla! very, it was a brutal economy that
dates back to the times of the Powhatan Confederation in 1612.
For those that are interested in this subject, I highly recommend
"Roanoke" by Lee Miller. This will give you an idea of what tribes
these men were dealing with and where they were at as well as the
politics of the various tribes, the warring tribes, etc. Excellent
book. She's actually disecting the "Roanoke" theory of the Lost Colony
but her references are exceptional. Wonderful lady.
Once you get an understanding of what was going on in the indigenous
world, it's alot easier to understand what was going on in the
colonies.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 10:15 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Indian Company
Thanks Lou and I find this so interesting. I found another site
discussing
the same subject or at least the early native history and of all
things it
includes:
1715-- Virginia
THOMAS POYTHRES, of Pr. Geo. Co.; 180 acs. (N.L.), Surry Co.; N. side
of
Nottoway River on N. side of the Woodyard Sw a little above the fork;
23 March
1715, p. 265. 20 Shill.
Hope this comes through w/o doubling..at any rate, I am sure you will
know
how to find it. I would be interested to hear your opinion of whether
the
listed men/deeds were involved as members of the Indian Company.
Unfortunately
there are no footnotes, but the authors and their book are
recognized.
I have Harrisons in one of my lines and a possible Bryd (if the Duke
family
ever agrees on who is whom) so this is of special interest to me as
well.
......................................................................
........
...................
Mary Jane, thanks for those URLs. The first one, in particular, has
a rather good general history, but the others reinforce that history.
Though the "Virginia Indian Company" or "The Indian Company" was
formally disbanded only a couple of years after it was formed, there
is no doubt in my mind that many of the original participants
continued their activities, but now without an "official" sponsor. I
just wish we had more names of the people involved, though this set
of articles definitely name Governor Spotswood and the Byrd family.
I'm sure the Harrisons, and a number of other wealthy
movers-and-shakers along the James River were also involved. And the
merchant families - probably including our Poythress clan were tied up
in the business. Lower down in the pecking order were the actual
traders, etc., which includes my Pettipool ancestors, and quite a few
of the families who were in the early Bristol Parish records.
Lou
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04/16/2005 3:50:06
Re: The Indian Company
Thanks Lou and I find this so interesting. I found another site discussing
the same subject or at least the early native history and of all things it
includes:
1715-- Virginia
THOMAS POYTHRES, of Pr. Geo. Co.; 180 acs. (N.L.), Surry Co.; N. side of
Nottoway River on N. side of the Woodyard Sw a little above the fork; 23 March
1715, p. 265. 20 Shill.
Hope this comes through w/o doubling..at any rate, I am sure you will know
how to find it. I would be interested to hear your opinion of whether the
listed men/deeds were involved as members of the Indian Company. Unfortunately
there are no footnotes, but the authors and their book are recognized.
I have Harrisons in one of my lines and a possible Bryd (if the Duke family
ever agrees on who is whom) so this is of special interest to me as well.
..............................................................................
...................
Mary Jane, thanks for those URLs. The first one, in particular, has a
rather good general history, but the others reinforce that history.
Though the "Virginia Indian Company" or "The Indian Company" was
formally disbanded only a couple of years after it was formed, there
is no doubt in my mind that many of the original participants
continued their activities, but now without an "official" sponsor. I
just wish we had more names of the people involved, though this set of
articles definitely name Governor Spotswood and the Byrd family. I'm
sure the Harrisons, and a number of other wealthy movers-and-shakers
along the James River were also involved. And the merchant families -
probably including our Poythress clan were tied up in the business.
Lower down in the pecking order were the actual traders, etc., which
includes my Pettipool ancestors, and quite a few of the families who
were in the early Bristol Parish records.
Lou
04/16/2005 4:15:51
Re:The Indian Company
Crystal
from a previous post located on Poythress archives...I believe that this was from our wonderful Al but I'm not 100% on that one.
"According to Leonidas Dodson's "Alexander Spotswood: Governor of
Colonial Virginia 1719-1722" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania
Press,
1933, p. 86)
Those know to have been members of the Virginia Indian Company are:
John Baylor, Peter Beverley, Arthur Bickerdale, Richard Bland,
Charles Chiswell, William Cocke, William Cole, William Dandridge, Cole
Digges, Nathaniel Harrison, John Holloway, Robert Innes, Henry Irwin,
Thomas Jones,Edmund Kearney, Thomas Nelson, Mann Page,
William Robertson, Alexander Spotswood, and E. Walker.
Also, according to Dodson, subscriptions (stock) in the Virginia Indian
Company could be purchased for L50 to L100. A 1981 unpublished version of
a manuscript by Mary Beaudry of Boston University (Submitted for
publication in The Comparative Archaeology of European Colonialism, Stephen
Dyson [ed]] titled Colonizing the Virginia frontier: Fort Christanna and
Governor Spottswood's Indian Policy states:
"Most of the powerful independent traders already engaged in the Indian
trade declined to subscribe and used their influence to prevent others from
doing so. At the close of the prescribed period of subscription, no one
had purchased stock."....
Here is a list of gents that received land for movement of the Saponi to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia.
John Wall
Thomas Smith
Edward Brantley (sold his to Owen Myrick)
Richard Smith
Woen Myrick
Francis West
John Baptis Curtis
John Pe(a)rson
Martin Middleton
John Guilliam
John E. Myrick
Benjamin Howard
John Peterson
John Thweat
Anyone that we're leaving out?
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 3:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
Dear Lou:
Forgive me for using your first name but I quite want to thank you as well
as Crystal and many others for the wonderful research you have all done. Even
more to thank you all for the history this list imparts and you all
contribute. It is much fun!
Regarding the Indian company, I did some quick searches and found new
information for me, but perhaps not to you or several others. However, in the
event others might wish to find out about the "Indian Company," I offer these
sites I am listing. If you can enlighten us more on "the company," please do so.
Thanks again, Mary Jean
Use the edit - find function on your browser: Indian Company
the record of the survey of 1063 acres for
the Indian Company on Nov. 21, 1716, is in the Prince George County deed
book, Deeds, Etc., 1713-1726, Archives Division, Virginia State Library.
In a message dated 04/15/2005 9:17:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
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04/16/2005 4:19:11
Re: The Indian Company
Crystal
Lou,
My take on the whole James River thing is that all the "James River Plantations" were involved in some way, shape form and fashion. One has to remember, too, that not only were they trading skins and furs with commodities but they were trading indians themselves as well as keeping noses to the ground searching for the "lost" copper mines that were prevalant among the natives but a mystery to the English. This is...my opinion...the underlying reason for Nathaniel Bacon's attack on the Occaneechi. They controlled the trade and were a fierce tribe to contend with. Beyond the Island where they sat was the trade path and that would have taken them straight to the copper mines of Western VA and Western NC, on down to SC and GA. I have a ton of theories going through my head about what these gents were thinking and motives for their actions. It was in their best interest to "marry" into these tribes for peace, the tribes would sell out their women for "contracts", their men for sla!
very, it was a brutal economy that dates back to the times of the Powhatan Confederation in 1612.
For those that are interested in this subject, I highly recommend "Roanoke" by Lee Miller. This will give you an idea of what tribes these men were dealing with and where they were at as well as the politics of the various tribes, the warring tribes, etc. Excellent book. She's actually disecting the "Roanoke" theory of the Lost Colony but her references are exceptional. Wonderful lady.
Once you get an understanding of what was going on in the indigenous world, it's alot easier to understand what was going on in the colonies.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 10:15 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Indian Company
Thanks Lou and I find this so interesting. I found another site discussing
the same subject or at least the early native history and of all things it
includes:
1715-- Virginia
THOMAS POYTHRES, of Pr. Geo. Co.; 180 acs. (N.L.), Surry Co.; N. side of
Nottoway River on N. side of the Woodyard Sw a little above the fork; 23 March
1715, p. 265. 20 Shill.
Hope this comes through w/o doubling..at any rate, I am sure you will know
how to find it. I would be interested to hear your opinion of whether the
listed men/deeds were involved as members of the Indian Company. Unfortunately
there are no footnotes, but the authors and their book are recognized.
I have Harrisons in one of my lines and a possible Bryd (if the Duke family
ever agrees on who is whom) so this is of special interest to me as well.
..............................................................................
...................
Mary Jane, thanks for those URLs. The first one, in particular, has a
rather good general history, but the others reinforce that history.
Though the "Virginia Indian Company" or "The Indian Company" was
formally disbanded only a couple of years after it was formed, there
is no doubt in my mind that many of the original participants
continued their activities, but now without an "official" sponsor. I
just wish we had more names of the people involved, though this set of
articles definitely name Governor Spotswood and the Byrd family. I'm
sure the Harrisons, and a number of other wealthy movers-and-shakers
along the James River were also involved. And the merchant families -
probably including our Poythress clan were tied up in the business.
Lower down in the pecking order were the actual traders, etc., which
includes my Pettipool ancestors, and quite a few of the families who
were in the early Bristol Parish records.
Lou
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04/16/2005 4:30:23
RE: The Indian Company
Crystal
I thought I put Robert on that list....maybe not but he is definitely at the top of the list. Along the "Morratuck" River, you have the Colsons, the Turbevilles, the Calverts, the Chavous, the Goins, Peter Jones (who accompanied Byrd, Colson, Mumford and Hicks on the "Eden" trip), the Mitchells (in particular Peter Mitchell), etc. Most of these men lived along the river around Occaneechi Neck and Plum Tree Island. My great grandfather's land wasn't far from Occaneechi Neck. Just downriver a stone's throw.
The Turbevilles, Colsons and Calverts are intersting because they worked for Robert Mumford in Brunswick Co, he being descendant of the original Mumfords we find in early records with Poythress, Hicks and Abraham Wood.
Shoot, just looking at the 1740 Rent Rolls for Prince Geo County, we find the majority of the traders. Some for the local tribes, others venturing as far south as the Catawba and the Chickasaw.
I think that the reason we are seeing so many of these same names in Bertie/Chowan is because the Meherrin were another tribe that had been mislabled. The word Meherrin is the only word left of their language and looking at the logistics of their location, if they were indeed Iriqois, they would be surrounded by their natural enemies all the way around with the exception of the Nottoway. When they started doing the "count" of what tribes were left, there had been such an influx of Northern tribes southward that they could have easily been misunderstood. Considering that the majority of the trade was being done with the Eastern Souian groups, I can't for the life of me imagine that they would jeopardize their relationships with these groups to trade or interpret for the "enemies".
If you take a look at my family in Northampton for example, we have names that show up in the Meherrin group, the Nottoway group as well as the Occaneechi group. Why would warring tribes merge to this point...1 of two things..either for necessity due to decrease in numbers and for safety...or they were all of the same stock.
Wm Poythress....1757...Bertie County for example...and that's late.
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 10:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: The Indian Company
Shouldn't Robert Hicks be on that list. I think I saw somewhere that
he was one of the officers in the militia that "oversaw" the move, and
I know that he later became the militia captain at Fort Christiana.
BTW, I've been lately searching Chowan and very early Bertie, NC,
records, and have been noticing many familiar names in those records,
including Robert Hicks. I'd not be surprised that a good number of
the these men were doing business down in NC along the Morattock River
(original NC name for the Roanoke River).
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal [mailto:rosebudsaponi@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
from a previous post located on Poythress archives...I believe that
this was from our wonderful Al but I'm not 100% on that one.
"According to Leonidas Dodson's "Alexander Spotswood: Governor of
Colonial Virginia 1719-1722" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania
Press,
1933, p. 86)
Those know to have been members of the Virginia Indian Company are:
John Baylor, Peter Beverley, Arthur Bickerdale, Richard Bland,
Charles Chiswell, William Cocke, William Cole, William Dandridge, Cole
Digges, Nathaniel Harrison, John Holloway, Robert Innes, Henry Irwin,
Thomas Jones,Edmund Kearney, Thomas Nelson, Mann Page, William
Robertson, Alexander Spotswood, and E. Walker.
Also, according to Dodson, subscriptions (stock) in the Virginia
Indian Company could be purchased for L50 to L100. A 1981 unpublished
version of a manuscript by Mary Beaudry of Boston University
(Submitted for publication in The Comparative Archaeology of European
Colonialism, Stephen Dyson [ed]] titled Colonizing the Virginia
frontier: Fort Christanna and Governor Spottswood's Indian Policy
states:
"Most of the powerful independent traders already engaged in the
Indian trade declined to subscribe and used their influence to prevent
others from doing so. At the close of the prescribed period of
subscription, no one had purchased stock."....
Here is a list of gents that received land for movement of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia.
John Wall
Thomas Smith
Edward Brantley (sold his to Owen Myrick)
Richard Smith
Woen Myrick
Francis West
John Baptis Curtis
John Pe(a)rson
Martin Middleton
John Guilliam
John E. Myrick
Benjamin Howard
John Peterson
John Thweat
Anyone that we're leaving out?
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 3:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
Dear Lou:
Forgive me for using your first name but I quite want to thank you as
well
as Crystal and many others for the wonderful research you have all
done. Even
more to thank you all for the history this list imparts and you all
contribute. It is much fun!
Regarding the Indian company, I did some quick searches and found new
information for me, but perhaps not to you or several others.
However, in the
event others might wish to find out about the "Indian Company," I
offer these
sites I am listing. If you can enlighten us more on "the company,"
please do so.
Thanks again, Mary Jean
Use the edit - find function on your browser: Indian Company
the record of the survey of 1063 acres for
the Indian Company on Nov. 21, 1716, is in the Prince George County
deed
book, Deeds, Etc., 1713-1726, Archives Division, Virginia State
Library.
In a message dated 04/15/2005 9:17:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
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04/16/2005 5:05:36
Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Crystal
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the worldâÂÂs highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
The most recent site that I sent on the Native American Timeline had the
deeds listed of all those names below "of gents that received land for movement
of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia. " It was an interesting
prospective from the Native American point of view...but it wasn't clear to me at
least that that was the reason they were receiving land.
And somewhere in a previous site I saw that there were 20 initial members
which appears to be the number of men listed as known members.
Thanks Crystal for looking up in the archives...I'm still new enough to this
list that I forget to do that.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 04/16/2005 10:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
Shouldn't Robert Hicks be on that list. I think I saw somewhere that
he was one of the officers in the militia that "oversaw" the move, and
I know that he later became the militia captain at Fort Christiana.
BTW, I've been lately searching Chowan and very early Bertie, NC,
records, and have been noticing many familiar names in those records,
including Robert Hicks. I'd not be surprised that a good number of
the these men were doing business down in NC along the Morattock River
(original NC name for the Roanoke River).
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal [mailto:rosebudsaponi@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
from a previous post located on Poythress archives...I believe that
this was from our wonderful Al but I'm not 100% on that one.
"According to Leonidas Dodson's "Alexander Spotswood: Governor of
Colonial Virginia 1719-1722" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania
Press,
1933, p. 86)
Those know to have been members of the Virginia Indian Company are:
John Baylor, Peter Beverley, Arthur Bickerdale, Richard Bland,
Charles Chiswell, William Cocke, William Cole, William Dandridge, Cole
Digges, Nathaniel Harrison, John Holloway, Robert Innes, Henry Irwin,
Thomas Jones,Edmund Kearney, Thomas Nelson, Mann Page, William
Robertson, Alexander Spotswood, and E. Walker.
Also, according to Dodson, subscriptions (stock) in the Virginia
Indian Company could be purchased for L50 to L100. A 1981 unpublished
version of a manuscript by Mary Beaudry of Boston University
(Submitted for publication in The Comparative Archaeology of European
Colonialism, Stephen Dyson [ed]] titled Colonizing the Virginia
frontier: Fort Christanna and Governor Spottswood's Indian Policy
states:
"Most of the powerful independent traders already engaged in the
Indian trade declined to subscribe and used their influence to prevent
others from doing so. At the close of the prescribed period of
subscription, no one had purchased stock."....
Here is a list of gents that received land for movement of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia.
John Wall
Thomas Smith
Edward Brantley (sold his to Owen Myrick)
Richard Smith
Woen Myrick
Francis West
John Baptis Curtis
John Pe(a)rson
Martin Middleton
John Guilliam
John E. Myrick
Benjamin Howard
John Peterson
John Thweat
Anyone that we're leaving out?
04/16/2005 5:05:59
Re: The Indian Company
Crystal
OWEN MIRACK, 180 acs. (N.L.), Is. of Wight Co.; on N. side of Meherin River; (being part
of that tract of land whereon the Saponi Indians lately dwelt and which they have surrendered in
exchange for a like quantity assigned them at Christanna); beg. by the Goose Pond Sw., cor. of
Thomas Simmons, Junr; 17 Dec. 1717, p. 342. For diverse good causes and considerations, but
more especially for and in consideration of divers services performed towards making the new
settlement for the Saponie Indians at Christanna, pursuant to a treaty with that Nation.
FRANCIS WEST, 132 acs. (N.L.) Is. of Wight Co.; on N. side of Maherin River; 17 Dec.
1717, p. 342. Consideration: For services performed towards making the new settlement for the
Saponie Indians at Christanna.
JOHN BAPTIST CURTIS, 100 acs. (N.L.), Is. of Wight Co.; S. side of Maherin River; on N.
side of the Goose Pond Sw.; 17 Dec. 1717, p. 343. For services performed towards making the
new settlement of the Saponie Indians at Christanna.
JOHN PERSONS of Surry Co., 76 acs., (N.L.), Is. of Wight Co.; on N. side of Maherin
River; 17 December 1717, p. 343. For services performed towards making the new settlement
for the Saponie Indians at Christanna.
JOHN WALL, of Pr. Geo. Co.; 100 acs. (N.L.), Is. of Wight Co.; on S. side of Maherin
River; near lower end of the Dutchman's Meadow; 17 December 1717, p. 344. For services
performed towards making the new settlement for the Saponie Indians at Christanna.
FRANCIS MIRACH, 250 acs. (N.L.), Isle of Wright Co.; on S. side of Maherin River; near Joseph Turner; 18 February 1722, p. 176. Granted in consideration of diverse services performed towards making the new settlement for the Sapone Indians at Christianna, pursuant to a treaty with that Nation; being part of the land whereon sd. Indians lately dwelt and which they have surrendered for a like amount at Christianna.
These are only a few of the land deeds...but...not all the men involved received land...most purchased land surrounding these tribes for location. Easy access.
PETER WYNNE, GENT., 355 acs. (N.L.), pr. Geo. Co.; on S. side of the Tatum, Junr., on S.
side of Butterwood Sw; below the Occonunche Path; 31 October 1716, p. 309. 35 Shill.
THOMPSON STAPLEY, 200 acs. (N.L.), Pr. Geo. Co.; on N. side of Bear Sw.; beg. on up.
side of the upper great branch above the Occonunche Path; 15 July 1717, p. 337. 20 Shill.
WILLIAM PETTYPOOLE, JUNR., 50 acs. (N.L.), Pr. Geo. Co.; on both sides of Sappone Cr.; adj. Joseph Stroud; 22 June 1722, p. 122. 5 Shill.
NATHANIEL HARRISON, ESQR., 4145 acs. (N.L.), Surry Co.; on N. side of Maherin River; beg. on sd. river where the lower line of the Sappony Indians' land crosses it; crossing Rockey Creek; 23 October 1724, p. 111. 21 lbs., 5 Shill.
The Fort went by a few variant names...Fort Christanna, Junktapurse (means horsehead in Tutelo), Totero Fort, Old Fort, etc.
These dealings were going on well before Spotswood moved them to Christanna. And, Brunswick Co didn't open for settlement until 1730 I believe. I can't remember the date right off the top of my head. It was definitely after the original land patents were established. It was considered frontier and too dangerous for colonists to settle.
FYI: a bit of trivia...does anyone know about the American Colonization Society and it's founders and who was repatriated to Lyberia?
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 11:05 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: The Indian Company
The most recent site that I sent on the Native American Timeline had the
deeds listed of all those names below "of gents that received land for movement
of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia. " It was an interesting
prospective from the Native American point of view...but it wasn't clear to me at
least that that was the reason they were receiving land.
And somewhere in a previous site I saw that there were 20 initial members
which appears to be the number of men listed as known members.
Thanks Crystal for looking up in the archives...I'm still new enough to this
list that I forget to do that.
Mary Jean
In a message dated 04/16/2005 10:40:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
Shouldn't Robert Hicks be on that list. I think I saw somewhere that
he was one of the officers in the militia that "oversaw" the move, and
I know that he later became the militia captain at Fort Christiana.
BTW, I've been lately searching Chowan and very early Bertie, NC,
records, and have been noticing many familiar names in those records,
including Robert Hicks. I'd not be surprised that a good number of
the these men were doing business down in NC along the Morattock River
(original NC name for the Roanoke River).
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Crystal [mailto:rosebudsaponi@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
from a previous post located on Poythress archives...I believe that
this was from our wonderful Al but I'm not 100% on that one.
"According to Leonidas Dodson's "Alexander Spotswood: Governor of
Colonial Virginia 1719-1722" (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania
Press,
1933, p. 86)
Those know to have been members of the Virginia Indian Company are:
John Baylor, Peter Beverley, Arthur Bickerdale, Richard Bland,
Charles Chiswell, William Cocke, William Cole, William Dandridge, Cole
Digges, Nathaniel Harrison, John Holloway, Robert Innes, Henry Irwin,
Thomas Jones,Edmund Kearney, Thomas Nelson, Mann Page, William
Robertson, Alexander Spotswood, and E. Walker.
Also, according to Dodson, subscriptions (stock) in the Virginia
Indian Company could be purchased for L50 to L100. A 1981 unpublished
version of a manuscript by Mary Beaudry of Boston University
(Submitted for publication in The Comparative Archaeology of European
Colonialism, Stephen Dyson [ed]] titled Colonizing the Virginia
frontier: Fort Christanna and Governor Spottswood's Indian Policy
states:
"Most of the powerful independent traders already engaged in the
Indian trade declined to subscribe and used their influence to prevent
others from doing so. At the close of the prescribed period of
subscription, no one had purchased stock."....
Here is a list of gents that received land for movement of the Saponi
to Fort Christanna from their lands in what I believe is modern day
Purdy VA located just outside of Emporia.
John Wall
Thomas Smith
Edward Brantley (sold his to Owen Myrick)
Richard Smith
Woen Myrick
Francis West
John Baptis Curtis
John Pe(a)rson
Martin Middleton
John Guilliam
John E. Myrick
Benjamin Howard
John Peterson
John Thweat
Anyone that we're leaving out?
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04/16/2005 5:26:11
RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Deloris Riley
Thank you for your detailed information; I am an early Virginia History buff and I am continually learning new facts. I have been doing Canterbury/Virginia/North Carolina research for 30 - 40 years and I love it! I see you are referring to "Fort Wood" and I still would like to know if Abraham Wood's fort was ever truly called that; if so, I have never ran across it. Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on.
I'm sorry but I am still not totally convinced that Abraham's fort was ever called "Fort Wood" although whoever wrote the article you are referring to called it that---perhaps so. I note that you write that ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress.. ." Again, the name "Sloman" is only assumed by some; there is nothing to document it and although we know that Mary Poythress married Col. Robert Wynne, we have no idea when because no one seems to know when Francis Poythress died and WHEN she married Robert Wynne; therefore, are we sure that Mary was the mother of Joshua - remember, his brother Thomas was born in 1657 so the big question is: when did Francis Poythress die? I don't mean to sound "too picky" but I have reached the point in my research that I am looking for as much actual "proof" as I can find. As you well know, there is so much "assuming" going on out there. Again, thank you for the info on Fort Chris!
tianna. Currently, I am trying to "wind up" although I know I will never make it; my goal is to put together separate stories/booklets on each branch of my Wynne family. Although I have a great deal of the information needed to do so, the only two I have completed is on ROBERT WYNNE OF SHREWSBURY and ROBERT WYNNE OF CANTERBURY which includes all of the info I could find in Shrewsbury and Canterbury (I made a number of trips to both places). Right now I am trying to put together Robert Wynne of Virginia, etc., etc. I have all of the info I need (there is really never, ever ALL) on Wynne info down through Thomas Wynne's line to mine. Who knows, I may also have a Poythress line but I will leave it up to the Poythress family to pursue this avenue and, hopefully, share it with me.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the world’s highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 5:29:40
RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
John M. Poythress
Deloris....I got a bit lost in this one:
"Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on".
Do you mean any of the Joshua Poythresses because if you do I'd be very interested in seeing that line. I don't have a
brother for Joshua named Thomas but would certainly love to find one as it would answer a WHOLE LOT of questions.
Many thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Thank you for your detailed information; I am an early Virginia History buff and I am continually learning new facts. I have been doing Canterbury/Virginia/North Carolina research for 30 - 40 years and I love it! I see you are referring to "Fort Wood" and I still would like to know if Abraham Wood's fort was ever truly called that; if so, I have never ran across it. Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on.
I'm sorry but I am still not totally convinced that Abraham's fort was ever called "Fort Wood" although whoever wrote the article you are referring to called it that---perhaps so. I note that you write that ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress.. ." Again, the name "Sloman" is only assumed by some; there is nothing to document it and although we know that Mary Poythress married Col. Robert Wynne, we have no idea when because no one seems to know when Francis Poythress died and WHEN she married Robert Wynne; therefore, are we sure that Mary was the mother of Joshua - remember, his brother Thomas was born in 1657 so the big question is: when did Francis Poythress die? I don't mean to sound "too picky" but I have reached the point in my research that I am looking for as much actual "proof" as I can find. As you well know, there is so much "assuming" going on out there. Again, thank you for the info on Fort Chris!
tianna. Currently, I am trying to "wind up" although I know I will never make it; my goal is to put together separate stories/booklets on each branch of my Wynne family. Although I have a great deal of the information needed to do so, the only two I have completed is on ROBERT WYNNE OF SHREWSBURY and ROBERT WYNNE OF CANTERBURY which includes all of the info I could find in Shrewsbury and Canterbury (I made a number of trips to both places). Right now I am trying to put together Robert Wynne of Virginia, etc., etc. I have all of the info I need (there is really never, ever ALL) on Wynne info down through Thomas Wynne's line to mine. Who knows, I may also have a Poythress line but I will leave it up to the Poythress family to pursue this avenue and, hopefully, share it with me.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the world’s highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 6:35:21
RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Crystal
I believe Deloris is referring to Thomas Wynne.
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 12:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Deloris....I got a bit lost in this one:
"Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on".
Do you mean any of the Joshua Poythresses because if you do I'd be very interested in seeing that line. I don't have a
brother for Joshua named Thomas but would certainly love to find one as it would answer a WHOLE LOT of questions.
Many thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Thank you for your detailed information; I am an early Virginia History buff and I am continually learning new facts. I have been doing Canterbury/Virginia/North Carolina research for 30 - 40 years and I love it! I see you are referring to "Fort Wood" and I still would like to know if Abraham Wood's fort was ever truly called that; if so, I have never ran across it. Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on.
I'm sorry but I am still not totally convinced that Abraham's fort was ever called "Fort Wood" although whoever wrote the article you are referring to called it that---perhaps so. I note that you write that ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress.. ." Again, the name "Sloman" is only assumed by some; there is nothing to document it and although we know that Mary Poythress married Col. Robert Wynne, we have no idea when because no one seems to know when Francis Poythress died and WHEN she married Robert Wynne; therefore, are we sure that Mary was the mother of Joshua - remember, his brother Thomas was born in 1657 so the big question is: when did Francis Poythress die? I don't mean to sound "too picky" but I have reached the point in my research that I am looking for as much actual "proof" as I can find. As you well know, there is so much "assuming" going on out there. Again, thank you for the info on Fort Chris!
tianna. Currently, I am trying to "wind up" although I know I will never make it; my goal is to put together separate stories/booklets on each branch of my Wynne family. Although I have a great deal of the information needed to do so, the only two I have completed is on ROBERT WYNNE OF SHREWSBURY and ROBERT WYNNE OF CANTERBURY which includes all of the info I could find in Shrewsbury and Canterbury (I made a number of trips to both places). Right now I am trying to put together Robert Wynne of Virginia, etc., etc. I have all of the info I need (there is really never, ever ALL) on Wynne info down through Thomas Wynne's line to mine. Who knows, I may also have a Poythress line but I will leave it up to the Poythress family to pursue this avenue and, hopefully, share it with me.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the world�s highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 6:47:44
Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Crystal
Exactly Randy. It has been referred to as both.
Deloris, I will dig around and find the documentation for the reference of Fort Wood specifically. Another interesting thought process is that of all the expeditions that Abraham Wood did, all but one failed due to the fear factor of the "ndn" guides they were using. None would go anywhere near the Occaneechi for fear of manslaughter. All but one...he was an Appomattox NDN. Makes you question whether or not the "official" classification of the Appomattox being Algonquin is correct and could they be, in fact, Souian. If so, this would open up a whole other world for researchers and the connections between the trade families and tribes. There are 2 other tribes that the classification could be questionable, both are dealing with the Wynn, Poythress, Wall, Hicks families.
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones
Sent: Apr 16, 2005 11:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the worldâÂÂs highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 6:55:26
Re: Obituary/Etc. of James Speed Poythress and Martha Grice Raiford Poythress
THANK YOU ELAINE,
I DON'T THINK IHAVE EVER SEEN THAT.
I DO HAVE THE RECORDS OF THEIR FUNERALS WHICH I THINK I SENT TO YOU. I DON'T THINK THAT IS ON THE POYTHRESS SITE EITHER.
JUDY
>
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Date: 2005/04/16 Sat AM 03:01:24 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Obituary/Etc. of James Speed Poythress and Martha Grice Raiford Poythress
>
> Hello all. I am really enjoying all of the information being posted on the
> Poythress List this week. You guy WOW me with the extent of research you have
> done.
>
> I have never seen the obituaries of James Speed Poythress and his wife
> Martha Grice Raiford Poythress posted on the P-List. I got my hands on copies of
> the newspaper pages and will post them so they are on here.
>
> These are all from the Meridian Star Newspaper. Meridian is in Lauderdale
> County, Mississippi.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
> Monday August 20, 1917
>
> Old Meridian Resident Died Sunday Afternoon
>
> Mrs. J.S. Poythress aged 78 years, one of Meridian's oldest and best know
> residents, passed away at her home Sunday afternoon at 4 o'clock , 903 Braxton
> Avenue. Mrs. Poythress has lived in Meridian for the past 27 years, coming
> here from Sumter County.
>
> She is survived by her husband, J.Poythress, two daughters, Mrs. C.M. Card
> and Miss Mary Poythress, both of Meridian and seven sons, C.W., R.H., C.H.,
> J.D., (sic) J.F. of Meridian; (sic) R.R. of Reform, AL and R.L. of St. Louis.
>
> No funeral arrangements have yet been made, arrival of relatives being
> awaited. C.H. Poythress, son of the deceased was located in Washington, D.C. and
> is now en route to Meridian. Arrangements will be made later.
>
> Tuesday August 21, 1917
>
> Necrological
>
> Mrs. J.S. Poythress
>
> The funeral of Mrs. J.S. Poythress who died at her home on South Side Sunday
> afternoon, will be held Wednesday morning at 9:30 o'clock from the Hawkins
> Memorial Church. Servides will be held at the church, followed by Interment in
> Rose Hill cemetery. Pall bearers:
>
> Honorary - E.H. Dial, Tom Lyle, Dr. M.J. Lowry, D.E. Williams, C.M. Dunn,
> Cliff Williams, Cliff Russell and B.T. Chapman.
>
> Active - W.D. Hawkins, Ed Hayes, C.H. White, E.B. McLean, A.L. Culpepper,
> W.H. Owen, H.E. Simmons and H.E. Montgomery
>
>
>
> March 17, 1923
>
> Necrological
>
> James S. Poythress
>
> James S. Poythress 94 years of age, one of the oldest residents of this
> section of the state and a pioneer settler of Meridian died this morning at 2:15
> o'clock at his home 903 Braxton Avenue.
>
> He is survived by one daughter, Mrs. C.(sic) N. Card., and seven sons, (sic)
> J.B., R.L., C.W., R.H., J.T., B.R., and C. H. Poythress.
>
> Funeral arrangements will be announced in Sunday's star.
>
>
>
> March 18, 1923
>
> Necrological
>
> James S. Poythress
>
> The funeral of James S. Poythress age 94, will be held at the Hawkins
> memorial church Sunday afternoon at 3:30 o'clock. Dr. Little officiating, assisted
> by Rev. Blanding Vaughn, and Rev. J.M. Lewis. Interment will take place in
> Rose Hill cemetery.
>
> Pall bearers: Acitve - C.H. Anderson, Mose Crawford, W. Zackary, J.F.
> Atwood, M.F. Simmons and W.D. Chatham.
>
> Honary - Hon. C.C. Dunn, Dr. James Bennett, B.T. Chatman, M.J. Lowry, Rev.
> Frank
> (sic) DeLaaBr, and Tom Lyle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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04/16/2005 6:58:09
RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Deloris Riley
I apologize if I confused you. I was referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother,Thomas Wynne, sons of Colonel Robert Wynne. I wonder if there is a possibility of Joshua Poythress being named after Joshua Wynne? When was the first Joshua Poythress born and how was he related to Mary Poythress Wynne?
The 40 pages of chronological information that I have compiled is on Joshua Wynne. I am descended from Thomas Wynne, son of Colonel Robert Wynne. I also have a lot of info on my Thomas/Sloman/Matthew Wynne, etc. Can you tell lme when the last recorded record for Francis Poythress is dated? Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 11:35 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Deloris....I got a bit lost in this one:
"Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on".
Do you mean any of the Joshua Poythresses because if you do I'd be very interested in seeing that line. I don't have a
brother for Joshua named Thomas but would certainly love to find one as it would answer a WHOLE LOT of questions.
Many thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Thank you for your detailed information; I am an early Virginia History buff and I am continually learning new facts. I have been doing Canterbury/Virginia/North Carolina research for 30 - 40 years and I love it! I see you are referring to "Fort Wood" and I still would like to know if Abraham Wood's fort was ever truly called that; if so, I have never ran across it. Although it is not my direct line (I am descended from Joshua's brother, Thomas) I have also gathered all of the info I could find on Joshua and now have over 40 pages, single spaced, chronological data on his family, including as many of his descendants that I have had the opportunity to receive/find info on.
I'm sorry but I am still not totally convinced that Abraham's fort was ever called "Fort Wood" although whoever wrote the article you are referring to called it that---perhaps so. I note that you write that ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress.. ." Again, the name "Sloman" is only assumed by some; there is nothing to document it and although we know that Mary Poythress married Col. Robert Wynne, we have no idea when because no one seems to know when Francis Poythress died and WHEN she married Robert Wynne; therefore, are we sure that Mary was the mother of Joshua - remember, his brother Thomas was born in 1657 so the big question is: when did Francis Poythress die? I don't mean to sound "too picky" but I have reached the point in my research that I am looking for as much actual "proof" as I can find. As you well know, there is so much "assuming" going on out there. Again, thank you for the info on Fort Chris!
tianna. Currently, I am trying to "wind up" although I know I will never make it; my goal is to put together separate stories/booklets on each branch of my Wynne family. Although I have a great deal of the information needed to do so, the only two I have completed is on ROBERT WYNNE OF SHREWSBURY and ROBERT WYNNE OF CANTERBURY which includes all of the info I could find in Shrewsbury and Canterbury (I made a number of trips to both places). Right now I am trying to put together Robert Wynne of Virginia, etc., etc. I have all of the info I need (there is really never, ever ALL) on Wynne info down through Thomas Wynne's line to mine. Who knows, I may also have a Poythress line but I will leave it up to the Poythress family to pursue this avenue and, hopefully, share it with me.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:27 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fort Wood/Fort Christanna and NDN connections
Wasn't Abraham Wood's fort called Ft. Henry?
-- Randy Jones
Crystal wrote:
My apologies Deloris, I thought it was you that submitted the info on Fort Wood.
I tried to dig up the previous e-mail that gave the information and right now, I
can't even find it. Maybe in my "redhead moment" I thought I saw it. 🙂
What is interesting with Fort Wood is that Abraham Wood, capt of the garrison and
also explorer, has a daughter Margaret, who marries Capt Peter Jones. Their daughter,
Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman
Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora,
the Nansemond and the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas
be interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians
(the group that these traders seem to be most involved with) in Mar 1715.
Abraham Wood was also the official negotiator between the Cherokee and the British
Fur Trade. He also testified against Nathaniel Bacon after the rebellion. All of
the ones involved with Fort Wood would later have descendants involved with Fort
Christanna. Here is a reference from the Early history of Brunswick Co, VA which
is where Fort Christanna is located.
"Early History
The area that is now Brunswick County began early to figure in Virginia history.
Before a single English generation had lived and died in Virginia, white men began
to find their way across what is now Brunswick County. In 1650 Abraham Wood and
Edward Bland traveled through the district on their journey of exploration to Occanooci
Island, which is the middle one of the tree islands in the Roanoke River just west
of where Clarksville now stands. Within the next 10 years the route came to be traveled
regularly. In 1673 James Noodham and Gabriel Arthur went this way on their journey
to explore the route leading farther south and up into the southern mountains. As
the fur trade prospered between Fort Wood, near what is now Petersburg in Dinwiddie
County, and the Indians of the southern mountains, this path, usually called the
Occaneechi Path or the Trading Path, became one of the world’s highways of commerce.
During the last quarter of the seventeenth century and the early years of the eighteenth,
loads of fur were brought years after year over the Trading Path for sale in the
great world markets of Leipsic, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, and London.
This path led in a fairly direct line from the falls of the Appomattox River to
Occaneechi Island and then southward through North Carolina. Like many other paths
used by white men, this one seems to have been well traveled by the Indians in their
many comings and goings before the white men arrived on the continent. Apparently,
too, like other such paths, the original track through the wilderness was marked
out by the feet of the herds of buffalo that had made their way into this region
long before the landing of the early settlers."
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04/16/2005 7:14:35
RE: The Indian Company
JLP
Mary Jane, thanks for those URLs. The first one, in particular, has a
rather good general history, but the others reinforce that history.
Though the "Virginia Indian Company" or "The Indian Company" was
formally disbanded only a couple of years after it was formed, there
is no doubt in my mind that many of the original participants
continued their activities, but now without an "official" sponsor. I
just wish we had more names of the people involved, though this set of
articles definitely name Governor Spotswood and the Byrd family. I'm
sure the Harrisons, and a number of other wealthy movers-and-shakers
along the James River were also involved. And the merchant families -
probably including our Poythress clan were tied up in the business.
Lower down in the pecking order were the actual traders, etc., which
includes my Pettipool ancestors, and quite a few of the families who
were in the early Bristol Parish records.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com [mailto:EDZIMM@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:The Indian Company
Dear Lou:
Forgive me for using your first name but I quite want to thank you as
well
as Crystal and many others for the wonderful research you have all
done. Even
more to thank you all for the history this list imparts and you all
contribute. It is much fun!
Regarding the Indian company, I did some quick searches and found new
information for me, but perhaps not to you or several others.
However, in the
event others might wish to find out about the "Indian Company," I
offer these
sites I am listing. If you can enlighten us more on "the company,"
please do so.
Thanks again, Mary Jean
Use the edit - find function on your browser: Indian Company
the record of the survey of 1063 acres for
the Indian Company on Nov. 21, 1716, is in the Prince George County
deed
book, Deeds, Etc., 1713-1726, Archives Division, Virginia State
Library.
In a message dated 04/15/2005 9:17:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
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04/16/2005 9:00:49
Re:The Indian Company
Dear Lou:
Forgive me for using your first name but I quite want to thank you as well
as Crystal and many others for the wonderful research you have all done. Even
more to thank you all for the history this list imparts and you all
contribute. It is much fun!
Regarding the Indian company, I did some quick searches and found new
information for me, but perhaps not to you or several others. However, in the
event others might wish to find out about the "Indian Company," I offer these
sites I am listing. If you can enlighten us more on "the company," please do so.
Thanks again, Mary Jean
Use the edit - find function on your browser: Indian Company
the record of the survey of 1063 acres for
the Indian Company on Nov. 21, 1716, is in the Prince George County deed
book, Deeds, Etc., 1713-1726, Archives Division, Virginia State Library.
In a message dated 04/15/2005 9:17:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sample1048@leapmail.net writes:
If you make any progress in learning anything about "the trade that
these gents were conducting," I sure hope you'll ring my bell at the
very least. About all I've been able to find out is that the players
in that neighborhood were apparently all associated with a mysterious
organization called "The Indian Company" (headed by none other than
the Governor, I believe). I've searched and searched for any record
that might reveal the members ("stockholders," "employees," etc.)
without success. But once in a great while I'll find some reference
to it, but without any details.
Lou Poole
04/16/2005 9:26:06
Ruth Irvin Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
Libbee, re your question "Does anyone have an info on the children of
Ruth Irvin Poythress?"
Who was her Poythress-husband (if Irvin was her maiden name)? (Or who
were her parents if Poythress was her maiden name?) And during what
time-span was she alive? And where?
Hopefully with additional info, we can help answer you -
Barbara (BPN)
04/17/2005 4:09:19
Re: Obituary/Etc. of James Speed Poythress and Martha Grice Raiford Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Elaine for posting these obits; I had never seen them
either.
FYI, among the honorary pallbearers for James Speed Poythress, the
physician listed -- "Dr. James Bennett"
was the son of David Lavender Bennett & Penelope Frances Poythress. And
Dr. Bennett's grandparents (his mother's parents) were James Edward
Poythress & Catherine Speed Preston.
Dr. Bennett's mother Penelope Frances would've been 1st cousin of James
Speed Poythress *IF* indeed James Edward Poythress & David Poythress
were both sons of Lewis Poythress. (Still searching for more indications
of that.)
Barbara (BPN)
04/17/2005 4:20:22
RE: The Indian Company
JLP
Just as a reminder that this thread really is about the Poythress
family and its connections, recall:
1) Ann Poythress, who I'm pretty sure was the daughter of Joshua
Poythress (w. dated 1739) of Martins Brandon Parish, was a witness to
Robert Hicks' 1739 will, which strongly implies that she was living in
the vicinity of Robert Hicks (who lived in Brunswick County, near Fort
Christiana). This Ann Poythress is the one who I believe married John
Wall, Jr., of Brunswick County soon after.
2) It is a fact that many of the "traders" we've been discussing lived
early on near what is often called Monk's Neck (Moccosoneck Creek). I
find the following patent to Joshua Poythress interesting given the
discussion:
"Joshua Poythres, 333 acs. (N.L.), Pr. Geo. Co.; on N. side of
Moccosoneck Cr; along line of William Jones, Junr.; 22 June 1722.
Imp. Of 7 pers: Edward Prince, Thos. Farmer, Wm. Loynes, Christopher
Ingolbe, Hugh Clark, John Geurden, James Robinson." [Patent Book 11,
p. 131]
And if you compare the list of names in the following SC record with
those living in the Moccosoneck Creek area, and with Crystal's list of
people who were involved in the moving of the Saponi Indians, I think
the coincidences are striking (there are even some Surry and IOW
people in this list that I recognize, e.g., John Moore of IOW):
"Rec'd from John Wirght Esqr, Agent, Twenty One Bonds for Sundry
Indian Traders to take out Licences-----Wm. Dettypoole [Pettypool?? -
almost certainly!], Thomas Edwards & Henry Tally of Virginia yr.
Bond---cwh, listed as partners in bond
Mr. Goer & Britts Bond
Wm. Canteyes Do.
Nath. Caines Do.
John Pights Do.
Cards, Sheels, & Wiggins Do.
John Moores Do.
Ricd. Prices Do.
Trumbals & Richardsons Do.
Holford, Peiree, & Giffen Do.
Weaver & Chester Do.
Graves & Cundy Do.
Card & Weavers Bond for Three Indians yt. trade for them
Long thurston & Warrin Bond
Cornelius LeMotts Bond
Benj. Clees Bond
Wm. Bannisters Bond
Dicksons Bond for ye time he Traded wth.out a License
Nathaniel Evans of Virginia his Bond
Ricd. Smith & George Smith of Virginia their Bond
David Crawly John Evans & Ricd Jones of Virginia their bond"
["Journal of the Commissioners of the Indian Trade of South Carolina
September 20,, 1710 - April 12, 1715", Edited by A.S. Salley, Jr.,
Secretary of the Historical Commission of South Carolina. March 22d.
1710-11]
3) If I recall correctly, Peter Poythress's services as an interpreter
with the Indians were hired about this time for some event that is
part of the current thread and discussion.
And I'm sure there are other and additional Poythress connections that
might be found if we only looked hard enough...
Lou
04/17/2005 4:30:29
Ruth Irvin Poythress & Aaron Morris
Barbara P. Neal
If I've found the correct Leon Poythress who is Ruth Irvin Poythress'
father, this Leon is a son of William Lewis Poythress & Ella Anna Jane
Jones. I show that Leon Poythress & Mary Lambert married on 8 Jan 1899
in Brunswick Co, VA.
In Elaine's Census compilation (available on our Poythress Research
website) for VA, I found the following entries for 1900, 1910, & 1920
which give the names of a number of children for Leon Poythress & wife
Mary (nee Lambert), including Ruth. (The question marks indicate that
Elaine found the names difficult to read.) I don't find Leon in the 1930
VA Census -- Do you know whether he had moved or perhaps passed away?
Judging from this wealth of info on Ruth's birth family, if you know
that Ruth married Aaron Morris sometime before 1930, & in what county
they lived, we should be able to find the names of at least some of
their children in the 1930 Census.
1900 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 67 – Meherrin Dist./Tillman’s, sheet 4A, ED 7, 5 June
Poythress, L.L., white, male, born Jan. 1872, age 27, married 1 yr.,
VA,VA,VA, Farmer, rents farm
, Mary E., wife, white, female, born Jan. 1872, age 28, married 1
yr., 1 child, 1 living, VA,VA,VA
, Annie, daughter, white, female, born Nov. 1899, age 6/12, VA,VA,VA
1910 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 14 – Meherrin Dist./Rock Store, sheet 9A, ED 9, 2 May
Portice, L.L., male, white, age 37, married 12 yrs., VA,VA,VA, farming,
own account, Rents farm
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 36, married 12 yrs., 6
children, 6 living VA,VA,VA
, Annie V., daughter, female, white, age ?10, VA,VA,VA, attends school
, Wallace J., son, male, white, age 9, VA,VA,VA
, Rufus ?., son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
, ?Cartis L., son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Shelton L., son, male, white, age 4, VA,VA,VA
, David, son, male, white, age 2, VA,VA,VA
1920 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 240 – Brodnax, sheet 15B, ED 8, 20 Jan.
Pogtress, Leon, rents, male, white, age 47, married, VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Mary, wife, female, white, age 45, married, VA,VA,VA
, Delma, daughter, female, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA
, Wallace, son, male, white, age 18, attends school, VA,VA,VA,
partner/home farm, own account
, Ruth, daughter, female, age 17, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, ?Caspher, son, male, white, age 15, attends school, VA,VA,VA
partner/home farm, own account
, Skelton, son, male, white, age 13, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Davy, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Rivers, son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
Hope this helps.
Barbara (BPN)
ELIZABETH MORRIS wrote:
> Ruth Irvin Poythress married Aaron Morris and her parents were Leon
> Poythress and Mary Lambert. I have a lot of info but was trying to
> find the names of her children and their spouse. I know Myrtle
> Married John Watson. Thanks for any info. Libbee Morris
04/17/2005 4:45:00
William Poythress or Porteus 1752 Southampton Co, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Crystal, I'm confused & not sure I "get the whole drift" of the
quotation(s) from the Southampton Co, VA record(s) that you quoted
(copied below).
It seems to me from the dates in your paragraph, that the 12 Oct 1752
item about John Artis, was a much earlier & separate entry from the
one(s) you mention for 11 Apr & 13 Jun 1754 involving William Bynum &
Lewis Artis & William Porteus (& others) - right? Can you help me
understand why the 1752 John Artis entry is mentioned? Am I just missing
some connection here?
Thanks for any clarification you can give.
Barbara (BPN)
Crystal wrote:
> One last question, William Porteus, Southampton Co VA, fined for not
> paying taxes on his wife. Southampton County
>
> 12 October 1752, John Artis, a "negro," petitioned the court to add
> his wife Sarah to the list of tithables. And on 11 April and 13 June
> 1754 William Bynum (informer), in order to secure half the fine
> awarded to informers, brought suit against Francis Locust, John
> Roberts, John Byrd, Sr., James Brooks, James Brooks, Jr., John Byrd,
> Jr., Abraham Artis, Lewis Artis, William Brooks, John Demory, Ann
> Brooks, William Tabor, William Porteus, Thomas Wilkins, and Isaac
> Young. The presentment against Thomas Wilkins was dismissed. All
> others at first pleaded innocent, but later changed their plea to
> guilty and were fined either 500 or 1000 pounds of tobacco [Orders
> 1749-54, 283, 473, 495, 496, 500, 501, 510-12].
>
> Anyone claiming this gent yet? Is this the same William that's in
> Bertie with wife Anne who sells land to Mathew Turner in 1757?
04/17/2005 6:26:56
RE: The Indian Company
Crystal
Lou,
As always, you are correct. You have to include Robert Poythress as well during this time frame, actually just shortly afterward, for providing ammo to the indians.
I love sharing this information with everyone but Lou is correct, even though this (the trade) includes the Poythress and they were one of the major players in this, it shouldn't bog down the Poythress site. I would be more than happy to exchange dialogue and information with anyone that is interested. Please, feel free to e-mail me.
What I would like to compile would be the Poythress and allied families with the trade, the influences on the various tribes and what the tribes had to offer to them, and what was left in the wake of all the insanity of the day.
Is the general concensus that Hardyman Poythress is indeed the grandson of Joshua Poythress? If so, who is the thoughts of the father? Looking at Hardyman himself, he is the brother of John, Anritta, Winney, Nancy and Temperance Poythress. Both Hardyman and Odam are listed in the 1790 census. This we have already covered in previous posts. BUT...what are their connections to the "Odam and Cely Poythress" documented in 1779 in Northampton and William Poythress of Bertie, 1757. Hardyman is very intersting to me simply because in NC, he's listed as FPC but he makes several trips to Prince George Co. If he is not of this group, I can't understand what his business would be in Prince George from Northampton. He marries in Prince Geo and passes away in PG, in 1812, the court requests for his estate to be brought to court in PG. 8 years later, Betsy Poythress is back in NC. What am I missing here? Maybe if I throw this out your way...someone can make some sense of this. Are the 4 c!
hildren listed for Joshua and Mary Short Poythress the only children and all accounted for or could there be a couple missing?
UGH
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP
Sent: Apr 17, 2005 11:30 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: The Indian Company
Just as a reminder that this thread really is about the Poythress
family and its connections, recall:
1) Ann Poythress, who I'm pretty sure was the daughter of Joshua
Poythress (w. dated 1739) of Martins Brandon Parish, was a witness to
Robert Hicks' 1739 will, which strongly implies that she was living in
the vicinity of Robert Hicks (who lived in Brunswick County, near Fort
Christiana). This Ann Poythress is the one who I believe married John
Wall, Jr., of Brunswick County soon after.
2) It is a fact that many of the "traders" we've been discussing lived
early on near what is often called Monk's Neck (Moccosoneck Creek). I
find the following patent to Joshua Poythress interesting given the
discussion:
"Joshua Poythres, 333 acs. (N.L.), Pr. Geo. Co.; on N. side of
Moccosoneck Cr; along line of William Jones, Junr.; 22 June 1722.
Imp. Of 7 pers: Edward Prince, Thos. Farmer, Wm. Loynes, Christopher
Ingolbe, Hugh Clark, John Geurden, James Robinson." [Patent Book 11,
p. 131]
And if you compare the list of names in the following SC record with
those living in the Moccosoneck Creek area, and with Crystal's list of
people who were involved in the moving of the Saponi Indians, I think
the coincidences are striking (there are even some Surry and IOW
people in this list that I recognize, e.g., John Moore of IOW):
"Rec'd from John Wirght Esqr, Agent, Twenty One Bonds for Sundry
Indian Traders to take out Licences-----Wm. Dettypoole [Pettypool?? -
almost certainly!], Thomas Edwards & Henry Tally of Virginia yr.
Bond---cwh, listed as partners in bond
Mr. Goer & Britts Bond
Wm. Canteyes Do.
Nath. Caines Do.
John Pights Do.
Cards, Sheels, & Wiggins Do.
John Moores Do.
Ricd. Prices Do.
Trumbals & Richardsons Do.
Holford, Peiree, & Giffen Do.
Weaver & Chester Do.
Graves & Cundy Do.
Card & Weavers Bond for Three Indians yt. trade for them
Long thurston & Warrin Bond
Cornelius LeMotts Bond
Benj. Clees Bond
Wm. Bannisters Bond
Dicksons Bond for ye time he Traded wth.out a License
Nathaniel Evans of Virginia his Bond
Ricd. Smith & George Smith of Virginia their Bond
David Crawly John Evans & Ricd Jones of Virginia their bond"
["Journal of the Commissioners of the Indian Trade of South Carolina
September 20,, 1710 - April 12, 1715", Edited by A.S. Salley, Jr.,
Secretary of the Historical Commission of South Carolina. March 22d.
1710-11]
3) If I recall correctly, Peter Poythress's services as an interpreter
with the Indians were hired about this time for some event that is
part of the current thread and discussion.
And I'm sure there are other and additional Poythress connections that
might be found if we only looked hard enough...
Lou
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04/17/2005 6:46:33
Re: William Poythress or Porteus 1752 Southampton Co, VA
Crystal
Sorry about the confusin on that one Barbara....I copied and pasted that and it picked up the Artis info as well.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
Sent: Apr 17, 2005 3:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: William Poythress or Porteus 1752 Southampton Co, VA
Crystal, I'm confused & not sure I "get the whole drift" of the
quotation(s) from the Southampton Co, VA record(s) that you quoted
(copied below).
It seems to me from the dates in your paragraph, that the 12 Oct 1752
item about John Artis, was a much earlier & separate entry from the
one(s) you mention for 11 Apr & 13 Jun 1754 involving William Bynum &
Lewis Artis & William Porteus (& others) - right? Can you help me
understand why the 1752 John Artis entry is mentioned? Am I just missing
some connection here?
Thanks for any clarification you can give.
Barbara (BPN)
Crystal wrote:
> One last question, William Porteus, Southampton Co VA, fined for not
> paying taxes on his wife. Southampton County
>
> 12 October 1752, John Artis, a "negro," petitioned the court to add
> his wife Sarah to the list of tithables. And on 11 April and 13 June
> 1754 William Bynum (informer), in order to secure half the fine
> awarded to informers, brought suit against Francis Locust, John
> Roberts, John Byrd, Sr., James Brooks, James Brooks, Jr., John Byrd,
> Jr., Abraham Artis, Lewis Artis, William Brooks, John Demory, Ann
> Brooks, William Tabor, William Porteus, Thomas Wilkins, and Isaac
> Young. The presentment against Thomas Wilkins was dismissed. All
> others at first pleaded innocent, but later changed their plea to
> guilty and were fined either 500 or 1000 pounds of tobacco [Orders
> 1749-54, 283, 473, 495, 496, 500, 501, 510-12].
>
> Anyone claiming this gent yet? Is this the same William that's in
> Bertie with wife Anne who sells land to Mathew Turner in 1757?
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04/17/2005 6:48:40
Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Ruth Irvin Poythress married Aaron Morris and her parents were Leon Poythress and Mary Lambert. I have a lot of info but was trying to find the names of her children and their spouse. I know Myrtle Married John Watson. Thanks for any info. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: Ruth Irvin Poythress
Libbee, re your question "Does anyone have an info on the children of
Ruth Irvin Poythress?"
Who was her Poythress-husband (if Irvin was her maiden name)? (Or who
were her parents if Poythress was her maiden name?) And during what
time-span was she alive? And where?
Hopefully with additional info, we can help answer you -
Barbara (BPN)
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04/17/2005 12:18:55
Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress
DIXYLUVR
Libbee,
Maybe Lyn could help with this question. And the Aaron you are referring to I believe is my great uncle, you are talking about Aaron that lived in Brodnax VA? If so he was my Grandmothers half brother. But I do not know anything about his children.
Teresa
-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS
Sent: Apr 17, 2005 6:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress
Ruth Irvin Poythress married Aaron Morris and her parents were Leon Poythress and Mary Lambert. I have a lot of info but was trying to find the names of her children and their spouse. I know Myrtle Married John Watson. Thanks for any info. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: Ruth Irvin Poythress
Libbee, re your question "Does anyone have an info on the children of
Ruth Irvin Poythress?"
Who was her Poythress-husband (if Irvin was her maiden name)? (Or who
were her parents if Poythress was her maiden name?) And during what
time-span was she alive? And where?
Hopefully with additional info, we can help answer you -
Barbara (BPN)
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04/17/2005 12:34:41
RE: Spelling Variants Poythress
John M. Poythress
----Original Message-----
From: Rich racup991 [mailto:racup991@netzero.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:59 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Spelling Variants Poythress
I don't know if this helps but the name PORTIS is from Spain. A
Portis moved from Spain to France in the 1300 hundreds. He later moved
to France where it was recorded POYTRAS, POIDRAS. His descendant then
moved to Canada in 1635 where it became Poitras. Hope this helps. I
got this from the Poitras genealogy Association in Quebec.
Rich Poitras
Rich..thanks a ton for this constructive comment. The Poythresses
themselves are tough enough to find without throwing in variants that
likely "aren't" variants, Portis and Porteus being the two most notable.
I've had a couple of contradicting examples given to me when I bring
this up so I have reverted to the purely pragmatic approach: until the
alleged variants show up in "numbers" or have some practical impact on a
"line" it probably makes more sense to just
put 'em on a shelf somewhere and not interrupt a narrative that's next
to impossible to put together in the first place.
Thanks again. Good luck chasing your Poitrases..it can't be
any tougher than ours.
John
04/18/2005 4:40:56
Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress & Aaron Morris
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Elaine. Your Census work is such a great help!
Barbara (BPN)
04/18/2005 5:24:39
RE: Ruth Irvin Poythress & Aaron Morris
I did a search using one of Leon and Mary Poythresses children in the 1930
census. I used Shelton and found him indexed under the spelling of Pogthern but
it looks like Poythress to me because I know how it is suppose to be
spelled. Thus I did not find this one while doing the Census Project. Apparently
Leon is deceased because Mary is widowed and living in the home of her son
Shelton.
1930- Household 37, Mecklenburg, VA-Lacross Dist. Sheet 2B, ED 19
Poythress, Shelton, age 24
, Alma, wife,age 18
, Maraim, daughter,age 6/12
, Mary, mother, age 56, widowed
, Rivers, brother, age 17
Also found Aaron and Ruth Poythress Morris
1930 - Household 48, Brunswick, Meherrin Dist, Brodnax Village, Sheet 3A, ED
12
Morris, Aaron, age 29
, Ruth, wife, age 27
, Margaret, daughter, age 6
, Myrtle, daughter, age 5
, Della, daughter, age 2
Hope this helps.
Take care,
Elaine
If I've found the correct Leon Poythress who is Ruth Irvin Poythress'
father, this Leon is a son of William Lewis Poythress & Ella Anna Jane
Jones. I show that Leon Poythress & Mary Lambert married on 8 Jan 1899
in Brunswick Co, VA.
In Elaine's Census compilation (available on our Poythress Research
website) for VA, I found the following entries for 1900, 1910, & 1920
which give the names of a number of children for Leon Poythress & wife
Mary (nee Lambert), including Ruth. (The question marks indicate that
Elaine found the names difficult to read.) I don't find Leon in the 1930
VA Census -- Do you know whether he had moved or perhaps passed away?
Judging from this wealth of info on Ruth's birth family, if you know
that Ruth married Aaron Morris sometime before 1930, & in what county
they lived, we should be able to find the names of at least some of
their children in the 1930 Census.
1900 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 67 – Meherrin Dist./Tillman’s, sheet 4A, ED 7, 5 June
Poythress, L.L., white, male, born Jan. 1872, age 27, married 1 yr.,
VA,VA,VA, Farmer, rents farm
, Mary E., wife, white, female, born Jan. 1872, age 28, married 1
yr., 1 child, 1 living, VA,VA,VA
, Annie, daughter, white, female, born Nov. 1899, age 6/12, VA,VA,VA
1910 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 14 – Meherrin Dist./Rock Store, sheet 9A, ED 9, 2 May
Portice, L.L., male, white, age 37, married 12 yrs., VA,VA,VA, farming,
own account, Rents farm
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 36, married 12 yrs., 6
children, 6 living VA,VA,VA
, Annie V., daughter, female, white, age ?10, VA,VA,VA, attends school
, Wallace J., son, male, white, age 9, VA,VA,VA
, Rufus ?., son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
, ?Cartis L., son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Shelton L., son, male, white, age 4, VA,VA,VA
, David, son, male, white, age 2, VA,VA,VA
1920 Brunswick Co, VA
HH 240 – Brodnax, sheet 15B, ED 8, 20 Jan.
Pogtress, Leon, rents, male, white, age 47, married, VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Mary, wife, female, white, age 45, married, VA,VA,VA
, Delma, daughter, female, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA
, Wallace, son, male, white, age 18, attends school, VA,VA,VA,
partner/home farm, own account
, Ruth, daughter, female, age 17, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, ?Caspher, son, male, white, age 15, attends school, VA,VA,VA
partner/home farm, own account
, Skelton, son, male, white, age 13, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Davy, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Rivers, son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
Hope this helps.
Barbara (BPN)
ELIZABETH MORRIS wrote:
> Ruth Irvin Poythress married Aaron Morris and her parents were Leon
> Poythress and Mary Lambert. I have a lot of info but was trying to
> find the names of her children and their spouse. I know Myrtle
> Married John Watson. Thanks for any info. Libbee Morris
04/18/2005 5:59:56
Re: William Poythress or Porteus 1752 Southampton Co, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Crystal, for the clarification.
Barbara (BPN)
04/18/2005 7:53:46
Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress
DIXYLUVR
You are correct Libbee we have exchanged info before. As for what you said about neighbors marrying, not only that but cousins also. All the family names mentioned here, still live here. Jones, Hicks, Walls, Morris....
-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS
Sent: Apr 17, 2005 6:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Ruth Irvin Poythress
Ruth Irvin Poythress married Aaron Morris and her parents were Leon Poythress and Mary Lambert. I have a lot of info but was trying to find the names of her children and their spouse. I know Myrtle Married John Watson. Thanks for any info. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: Ruth Irvin Poythress
Libbee, re your question "Does anyone have an info on the children of
Ruth Irvin Poythress?"
Who was her Poythress-husband (if Irvin was her maiden name)? (Or who
were her parents if Poythress was her maiden name?) And during what
time-span was she alive? And where?
Hopefully with additional info, we can help answer you -
Barbara (BPN)
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04/18/2005 12:57:48
RE: early Poythress will lin VA
John M. Poythress
Too late, Gladys, she's done been mooned.
Sorry, I sent 'em all before I saw BPN's message....maybe you can just
pick out the ones you want, Teresa.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Teresa, unless you have a DSL connection, or a cable modem, I would
suggest you look thru the below list of the wills, and then just ask for
the ones you are sure you want. Trying to download a message with 51
attachments can bog down your computer forever if you use a regular
modem.
Below is the list of them in a message I sent a few days ago to the
List, which you may have missed if your computer was down for a bit.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
For those who don't have a fast enough internet connection to want 51
attached document & image files, here is the list of the names of the
files, as Maynard had named them.
I have not had time to look at any of the 51 attachments, but I can tell
you that the beginning of each file name is the year. I recognize the
first few as being from England; I recognize a few as ones that I
transcribed & a number as ones that Maynard transcribed.
From comparing these file names Maynard gave to the estate items, to
the names of the ones available on our Poythress Research website, I
have put an "X" beside all the ones that are available on the website.
Our Poythress Research website, as I mentioned earlier today, is at
http://www.poythress.net/
(& as I said earlier, for anyone not familiar with how our website
works, you can put your cursor over the things shown along the top: in
this case, put your cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row
of topics show up. Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and
click there. Then you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and
you can click on each of them to see the record.)
Barbara (BPN)
X 1582 Pewtresse, Johnne
X 1592 Pewtresse, Thomas
1639 Poythras, Edmond
1675 Wynne, Robert
1692 Poythress, Rebecca
X 1712 Poythres, John
X 1712Poythres,JohnImage.zm8
1719 Bland, Richard
X 1724 Poythress, John
1727 Batte, Henry
1729 Worsham, John
1739 Hicks, Robert
X 1739 Poythress, Joshua
1740 Poythress, Edmund
1740 Poythress, Elizabeth
X 1743 Poythress, Robert
1751 Cocke, Elizabeth Pleasant
1756 Short, William IV
1759 Anderson, Elizabeth
1760 John Poythress, Jr.
X 1760 Poythress, Mary
X 1769 Randolph, Henry
1772 Poythress, Mary
1775 Poythress, William
1779 Eppes, Thomas
X 1779 Poythress, John
X 1781 Poythress, Edward
1785 Morison, John
1786 Poythress, Peter
1787 Poythress, Elizabeth
1787 Robertson, Alexander
1788 Poythress, Mary
1790 Buchanan, William
1790 Gilliam, John (younger)
1790 Gordon, Ann Isham
1791 Cleaton, William
1791 Gilliam, John (elder)
1794 Poythress, William
X 1796 Poythress, Francis
1798 Collier, Frederick
1813 Poythress, John
X 1818 Giles, Edward
X 1818 Poythress, Jack
1818 Poythress, Patrick Henry
1828 Poythress, Cleton
X 1828 Poythress, William
X 1832 Poythress, George
1835 Preston, Joshua
X 1853 Poythress, Joseph
X 1854 Poythress, Mary
1862 Poythress, John C.
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04/19/2005 3:49:14
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Barbara P. Neal
Teresa, unless you have a DSL connection, or a cable modem, I would
suggest you look thru the below list of the wills, and then just ask for
the ones you are sure you want. Trying to download a message with 51
attachments can bog down your computer forever if you use a regular
modem.
Below is the list of them in a message I sent a few days ago to the
List, which you may have missed if your computer was down for a bit.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
For those who don't have a fast enough internet connection to want 51
attached document & image files, here is the list of the names of the
files, as Maynard had named them.
I have not had time to look at any of the 51 attachments, but I can tell
you that the beginning of each file name is the year. I recognize the
first few as being from England; I recognize a few as ones that I
transcribed & a number as ones that Maynard transcribed.
From comparing these file names Maynard gave to the estate items, to
the names of the ones available on our Poythress Research website, I
have put an "X" beside all the ones that are available on the website.
Our Poythress Research website, as I mentioned earlier today, is at
http://www.poythress.net/
(& as I said earlier, for anyone not familiar with how our website
works, you can put your cursor over the things shown along the top: in
this case, put your cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row
of topics show up. Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and
click there. Then you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and
you can click on each of them to see the record.)
Barbara (BPN)
X 1582 Pewtresse, Johnne
X 1592 Pewtresse, Thomas
1639 Poythras, Edmond
1675 Wynne, Robert
1692 Poythress, Rebecca
X 1712 Poythres, John
X 1712Poythres,JohnImage.zm8
1719 Bland, Richard
X 1724 Poythress, John
1727 Batte, Henry
1729 Worsham, John
1739 Hicks, Robert
X 1739 Poythress, Joshua
1740 Poythress, Edmund
1740 Poythress, Elizabeth
X 1743 Poythress, Robert
1751 Cocke, Elizabeth Pleasant
1756 Short, William IV
1759 Anderson, Elizabeth
1760 John Poythress, Jr.
X 1760 Poythress, Mary
X 1769 Randolph, Henry
1772 Poythress, Mary
1775 Poythress, William
1779 Eppes, Thomas
X 1779 Poythress, John
X 1781 Poythress, Edward
1785 Morison, John
1786 Poythress, Peter
1787 Poythress, Elizabeth
1787 Robertson, Alexander
1788 Poythress, Mary
1790 Buchanan, William
1790 Gilliam, John (younger)
1790 Gordon, Ann Isham
1791 Cleaton, William
1791 Gilliam, John (elder)
1794 Poythress, William
X 1796 Poythress, Francis
1798 Collier, Frederick
1813 Poythress, John
X 1818 Giles, Edward
X 1818 Poythress, Jack
1818 Poythress, Patrick Henry
1828 Poythress, Cleton
X 1828 Poythress, William
X 1832 Poythress, George
1835 Preston, Joshua
X 1853 Poythress, Joseph
X 1854 Poythress, Mary
1862 Poythress, John C.
04/19/2005 12:43:58
Re: early Poythress will lin VA
DIXYLUVR
Can I get the list of wills also
Thanks,
Teresa
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat
Sent: Apr 14, 2005 5:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
I'd appreciate the list ogf Poythress wills.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: early Poythress will lin VA
> Julie...I have all of those wills except
>
> 1= Poythress, William 1771
>
> and
>
> 2= Potess (Poythress), John 1760 (actually what we have on this one is
> an estate inventory transcribed by Lyn Baird's mother but we don't have
> a will itself...that assumes it's the same guy).
>
> Did the index suggest where one would go to get these copies or do you
> perhaps know?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S. Ta Da! A deal: I have in my single archive 51 Poythress and
> Poythress related wills, most all of them Virginia. They are all in a
> single directory and I can paste the entire directory to an email where
> the receiver can simply look down the list and download only those that
> he or she is missing. (remember, I can't send it to "the board" because
> Rootsweb won't process an "attachment" and I can't "paste" the list to
> an email because my PC insists on making "an attachment" out of it) In
> return,you send me the transcription for any wills that YOU have that I
> am missing. Now that's a deal . Those interested just let me know.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
>
> This one turned out a little more legible. I forgot about graphic type
> things in messages. I copied the charts with page numbers into the
> email,
> but it got a little harder to read in MIMe, so I'll try to keep that in
> mind. If you want me to email it in easier to read format let me know.
> Love,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:04 AM
> Subject: early Poythress will lin VA
>
>
>>
>>
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythress, Mary. 1788 Index entry
>>
>> 3
>> Poythress, Edward. 1781 Index entry
>>
>> 4
>> Poythress, William. 1776 Index entry
>>
>> 5
>> Poythress, William. 1771 Index entry
>>
>> 6
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 7
>> Potess [Poythress?], John. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 8
>> Poythress, Mary. 1760 Index entry
>>
>> 9
>> Poythress, Joshua. 1739 Index entry
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>> 1
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>
>> 2
>> Poythres, John. 1724 Index entry
>>
>>
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04/19/2005 12:49:35
Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
John M. Poythress
From article on Merchant's Hope Church in Wm&Mary Quarterly, vol. 23, p.
256-7, 1943:
"In the Indian massacre of 1622, the settlement on the Appomattox was
almost completely wiped out, about two thirds of the settlers in the
valley being slain. The town of Charles City was largely deserted and
the survivors from Bermuda Hundred and the Appomattox valley were moved
for safety to Shirley and Jordan's Journey, on the James. Although some
of the survivors and a few new settlers re-occupied much of the cleared
land on the lower six miles of the river, shortly after the massacre,
permission for the general settlement of the Appomattox Valley was not
granted until 1634, when a temporary defense against Indians was set up
by Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis Poythress at Fleet's Hill
in the present town of Ettricks. Following the colonist's establishment
of Appomattox Town, at the head of navigation for sea-going vessels,
about this time, the Appomattox valley from the river mouth to the falls
and seated by 1638.36
36- Virginia Historical Magazine L, 141."
I don't know that this adds anything to the thread except the hint of a
suggestion that Francis might have been in Virginia
before 1633.
Maynard
04/20/2005 5:42:26
RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
JLP
"...until 1634, when a temporary defense against Indians was set up by
Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis Poythress..." Are the key
words. The statement, by itself, doesn't put Francis Poythress on the
scene until 1634. But one must wonder: if he was a newcomer in 1633,
then how did he get entrusted to be a "Lieutenant"? Does that mean 1)
that he had been here previous to 1633 (to establish a reputation), or
does that mean 2) that he had previous military experience which was
seen as advantageous to the situation, or does it just mean 3) that he
had "pull" in the powers-that-be circle? This association with Henry
Fleet makes one begin to wonder, too; had they been previously
acquainted?
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
From article on Merchant's Hope Church in Wm&Mary Quarterly, vol. 23,
p. 256-7, 1943:
"In the Indian massacre of 1622, the settlement on the Appomattox was
almost completely wiped out, about two thirds of the settlers in the
valley being slain. The town of Charles City was largely deserted and
the survivors from Bermuda Hundred and the Appomattox valley were
moved for safety to Shirley and Jordan's Journey, on the James.
Although some of the survivors and a few new settlers re-occupied much
of the cleared land on the lower six miles of the river, shortly after
the massacre, permission for the general settlement of the Appomattox
Valley was not granted until 1634, when a temporary defense against
Indians was set up by Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis
Poythress at Fleet's Hill in the present town of Ettricks. Following
the colonist's establishment of Appomattox Town, at the head of
navigation for sea-going vessels, about this time, the Appomattox
valley from the river mouth to the falls and seated by 1638.36
36- Virginia Historical Magazine L, 141."
I don't know that this adds anything to the thread except the hint of
a suggestion that Francis might have been in Virginia
before 1633.
Maynard
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RE: early Poythress will lin VA
DIXYLUVR
Thanks Maynard, they came through with no problem.
Teresa
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent: Apr 19, 2005 9:49 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: early Poythress will lin VA
Too late, Gladys, she's done been mooned.
Sorry, I sent 'em all before I saw BPN's message....maybe you can just
pick out the ones you want, Teresa.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: early Poythress will lin VA
Teresa, unless you have a DSL connection, or a cable modem, I would
suggest you look thru the below list of the wills, and then just ask for
the ones you are sure you want. Trying to download a message with 51
attachments can bog down your computer forever if you use a regular
modem.
Below is the list of them in a message I sent a few days ago to the
List, which you may have missed if your computer was down for a bit.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
For those who don't have a fast enough internet connection to want 51
attached document & image files, here is the list of the names of the
files, as Maynard had named them.
I have not had time to look at any of the 51 attachments, but I can tell
you that the beginning of each file name is the year. I recognize the
first few as being from England; I recognize a few as ones that I
transcribed & a number as ones that Maynard transcribed.
From comparing these file names Maynard gave to the estate items, to
the names of the ones available on our Poythress Research website, I
have put an "X" beside all the ones that are available on the website.
Our Poythress Research website, as I mentioned earlier today, is at
http://www.poythress.net/
(& as I said earlier, for anyone not familiar with how our website
works, you can put your cursor over the things shown along the top: in
this case, put your cursor on "Primary Records" & you'll see another row
of topics show up. Slide your cursur down & over to "Wills & Estate" and
click there. Then you'll have a list of many wills & estate records, and
you can click on each of them to see the record.)
Barbara (BPN)
X 1582 Pewtresse, Johnne
X 1592 Pewtresse, Thomas
1639 Poythras, Edmond
1675 Wynne, Robert
1692 Poythress, Rebecca
X 1712 Poythres, John
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1719 Bland, Richard
X 1724 Poythress, John
1727 Batte, Henry
1729 Worsham, John
1739 Hicks, Robert
X 1739 Poythress, Joshua
1740 Poythress, Edmund
1740 Poythress, Elizabeth
X 1743 Poythress, Robert
1751 Cocke, Elizabeth Pleasant
1756 Short, William IV
1759 Anderson, Elizabeth
1760 John Poythress, Jr.
X 1760 Poythress, Mary
X 1769 Randolph, Henry
1772 Poythress, Mary
1775 Poythress, William
1779 Eppes, Thomas
X 1779 Poythress, John
X 1781 Poythress, Edward
1785 Morison, John
1786 Poythress, Peter
1787 Poythress, Elizabeth
1787 Robertson, Alexander
1788 Poythress, Mary
1790 Buchanan, William
1790 Gilliam, John (younger)
1790 Gordon, Ann Isham
1791 Cleaton, William
1791 Gilliam, John (elder)
1794 Poythress, William
X 1796 Poythress, Francis
1798 Collier, Frederick
1813 Poythress, John
X 1818 Giles, Edward
X 1818 Poythress, Jack
1818 Poythress, Patrick Henry
1828 Poythress, Cleton
X 1828 Poythress, William
X 1832 Poythress, George
1835 Preston, Joshua
X 1853 Poythress, Joseph
X 1854 Poythress, Mary
1862 Poythress, John C.
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04/20/2005 11:34:24
Morris information for Libbee
DIXYLUVR
Libbee,
I have some of the information you wanted on Aaron's children. I hope this helps you some.
1) Margaret Morris married Monroe Porch
1 adopted daughter (could get her name)
They live in Lawrenceville VA both are deseased
2) Myrtal Morris married John Watson
3 children: Johnny, Jackie, & Brenda
They live in Chester VA
3)Della (no info on husband)
She lives in Alabama and had 6 children (?)
Marlene hasn't kept in touch with her
4) Lena Rivers Morris married Vernon Parham
2 children: Steve & Carol
They live in Chester VA
5)Jerry Morris married Janet ?
1 son
Then live in Lawrenceville VA
I probably could get in touch with Jerry sometime to get more details and maybe Della's info.
I hope this helps you some.
Do you have info or contact with Dawsey Morris?
Regards,
Teresa
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04/21/2005 4:03:08
Marlene Clary Serbousek
DIXYLUVR
Julie,
The email I sent with information for Libbee earlier was all from Marlene. I spoke to her earlier tonight and I told her that you had emailed me about your visit with her.
She remembered you fondly and was curious to know if you received the letter and pictures she sent you about the church that burned in Ebony.
She told me about the CD that you sent her at Christmas with all the info on her family.
Just last weekend they had a fund raiser for that church, I believe for a rebuild. One of my friends went to it and said they had a big turnout.
Anyway Marlene said to tell you hello and to keep up the good work on the family tree, she doesn't know how you do it. 🙂
Regards,
Teresa
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04/21/2005 4:13:57
RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
Deloris Riley
I'm still not ruling out that I may be a "Poythress" so all of your
dialogue is of extreme interest to me! I have this in my notes on
Robert Wynne of Virginia:
1637 In Virginia, Francis Poythress was granted 400 acres in Charles
Citty County on July 15. This land lay north upon his own land, south
into the main woods, east upon land of Capt. Woodliffe and west of
Bayles Creek. 50 ACRES FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL ADVENTURE and 350 acres for
transportation of seven persons: Richard Wells, John Lucas, Tho.
Thompson, Rich. Fermer, Bryan Reycock, Francis Newes, Richard Whiting.
(Note that I have never ran across any of these names again, with the
exception, of course, Francis Poythress.)
A person was granted 50 acres of land per immigrant after said immigrant
had remained in the colony for three years. Based on this, I am
assuming Francis had come to Virginia as early as 1634, or before. The
above 1637 deed sounds as if he already owned land when he was granted
this 50 acres for his own personal adventure. Did he go back to England
and bring these people over? Thus, he would be somewhat older than
Colonel Robert Wynne who was born in 1622. What do you think? I would
think Lt Francis Poythress would have been, probably, at least 21 when
he was appointed a Lieutenant and we know he was one in 1634. I do not
know when Robert Wynne came to Virginia from Canterbury but I do believe
the English Civil War, along with Cromwell's antics in Kent County drove
Robert and many other gentlemen to the Colonies. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
"...until 1634, when a temporary defense against Indians was set up by
Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis Poythress..." Are the key
words. The statement, by itself, doesn't put Francis Poythress on the
scene until 1634. But one must wonder: if he was a newcomer in 1633,
then how did he get entrusted to be a "Lieutenant"? Does that mean 1)
that he had been here previous to 1633 (to establish a reputation), or
does that mean 2) that he had previous military experience which was
seen as advantageous to the situation, or does it just mean 3) that he
had "pull" in the powers-that-be circle? This association with Henry
Fleet makes one begin to wonder, too; had they been previously
acquainted?
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
From article on Merchant's Hope Church in Wm&Mary Quarterly, vol. 23,
p. 256-7, 1943:
"In the Indian massacre of 1622, the settlement on the Appomattox was
almost completely wiped out, about two thirds of the settlers in the
valley being slain. The town of Charles City was largely deserted and
the survivors from Bermuda Hundred and the Appomattox valley were
moved for safety to Shirley and Jordan's Journey, on the James.
Although some of the survivors and a few new settlers re-occupied much
of the cleared land on the lower six miles of the river, shortly after
the massacre, permission for the general settlement of the Appomattox
Valley was not granted until 1634, when a temporary defense against
Indians was set up by Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis
Poythress at Fleet's Hill in the present town of Ettricks. Following
the colonist's establishment of Appomattox Town, at the head of
navigation for sea-going vessels, about this time, the Appomattox
valley from the river mouth to the falls and seated by 1638.36
36- Virginia Historical Magazine L, 141."
I don't know that this adds anything to the thread except the hint of
a suggestion that Francis might have been in Virginia
before 1633.
Maynard
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04/21/2005 5:08:24
RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
John M. Poythress
Deloris....maybe I can help:
1) I have the Poythress patents laid out chronologically and the patent
of 16 Jul 1737 was indeed the first patent to Francis Poythress (or any
Poythress); that is, the 400 acres south of the mouth of Bayly's Creek
on the James. Incidentally, Bayly's Creek is still there and can be
easily found on a large scale map.
2) the following suggests that Francis was in VA 1632 (or likely
before):
9 Feb 1632
An early record of Lieut. Francis Poythress: In the Virginia
Magazine, Vol. 31, p. 295:
"Minutes of the Colonial Council 9 February 1632." Upon
Frauncis Poythress his peti'con there is graunted unto him a l're
of administra'con upon the estates of Thomas Hall and Roger Kidd,
deceased." (Dr. W. B. Hall, W&M Quarterly, Vol. 15, p 247,1935).
3) names of "transportees." It is unlikely you'll ever make a
connection between the man patenting the land and the "transportees."
The "receipts" were traded around like chits....bought, sold, gambled
for, etc. When a guy found the land he wanted and had enough chits he
went and "cashed them in." (got his patent). Most transportee "names"
were irrelevant even if the clerks did dutifully record them.
4) the illusion that there were 7+ Francises or that Francis made 7+
trips back to England is created by PILI, a big set of books that
purports to list all the "immigrants" to the colonies. The problem is
that PILI gets "paid by the name" and it seems as if every time they
find a new list of almost any description they grind out another
supplemental book of "immigrants" for every genealogical library in the
country to buy....and they're still at it. I have a big long analysis
of this if you're interested but "pay no attention to the man behind the
curtain" is the deal in a nutshell.
Maynard
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From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:08 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
I'm still not ruling out that I may be a "Poythress" so all of your
dialogue is of extreme interest to me! I have this in my notes on
Robert Wynne of Virginia:
1637 In Virginia, Francis Poythress was granted 400 acres in Charles
Citty County on July 15. This land lay north upon his own land, south
into the main woods, east upon land of Capt. Woodliffe and west of
Bayles Creek. 50 ACRES FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL ADVENTURE and 350 acres for
transportation of seven persons: Richard Wells, John Lucas, Tho.
Thompson, Rich. Fermer, Bryan Reycock, Francis Newes, Richard Whiting.
(Note that I have never ran across any of these names again, with the
exception, of course, Francis Poythress.)
A person was granted 50 acres of land per immigrant after said immigrant
had remained in the colony for three years. Based on this, I am
assuming Francis had come to Virginia as early as 1634, or before. The
above 1637 deed sounds as if he already owned land when he was granted
this 50 acres for his own personal adventure. Did he go back to England
and bring these people over? Thus, he would be somewhat older than
Colonel Robert Wynne who was born in 1622. What do you think? I would
think Lt Francis Poythress would have been, probably, at least 21 when
he was appointed a Lieutenant and we know he was one in 1634. I do not
know when Robert Wynne came to Virginia from Canterbury but I do believe
the English Civil War, along with Cromwell's antics in Kent County drove
Robert and many other gentlemen to the Colonies. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:08 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
"...until 1634, when a temporary defense against Indians was set up by
Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis Poythress..." Are the key
words. The statement, by itself, doesn't put Francis Poythress on the
scene until 1634. But one must wonder: if he was a newcomer in 1633,
then how did he get entrusted to be a "Lieutenant"? Does that mean 1)
that he had been here previous to 1633 (to establish a reputation), or
does that mean 2) that he had previous military experience which was
seen as advantageous to the situation, or does it just mean 3) that he
had "pull" in the powers-that-be circle? This association with Henry
Fleet makes one begin to wonder, too; had they been previously
acquainted?
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress, Fleet, ET AL
From article on Merchant's Hope Church in Wm&Mary Quarterly, vol. 23,
p. 256-7, 1943:
"In the Indian massacre of 1622, the settlement on the Appomattox was
almost completely wiped out, about two thirds of the settlers in the
valley being slain. The town of Charles City was largely deserted and
the survivors from Bermuda Hundred and the Appomattox valley were
moved for safety to Shirley and Jordan's Journey, on the James.
Although some of the survivors and a few new settlers re-occupied much
of the cleared land on the lower six miles of the river, shortly after
the massacre, permission for the general settlement of the Appomattox
Valley was not granted until 1634, when a temporary defense against
Indians was set up by Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant Francis
Poythress at Fleet's Hill in the present town of Ettricks. Following
the colonist's establishment of Appomattox Town, at the head of
navigation for sea-going vessels, about this time, the Appomattox
valley from the river mouth to the falls and seated by 1638.36
36- Virginia Historical Magazine L, 141."
I don't know that this adds anything to the thread except the hint of
a suggestion that Francis might have been in Virginia
before 1633.
Maynard
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04/21/2005 8:31:19
Prince George updates
John M. Poythress
Sorry for previous email folks...the urls didn't print..here they are:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapgeorg/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/index1pg.html
Maynard
04/23/2005 5:06:30
Danville Poythress question- John Poythress
Julie Cabitto
A friend of mine (and a cousin) wrote me asking about a possible Poythress and wondering if any of you would know. Martha Gray married William Henry Moseley. They grew up in Mecklenburg/Brunswick County. In the 1890's soon after William Moseley died, Martha moved to Danville VA. Within a few years 4 of her siblings and their families moved there. They were all "old timers" of Mecklenburg off Nelly Jones Rd. in the 98th regt. I tell you this because they grew up in the neighborhood of Foxhall Poythress and he married Annie May Kidd, daughter of Nannie Gray who's Martha Gray Mosely's sister.
In the 1900 Danville census there's a "Potrise family" (it could even be a "c" it's hard to read) living with Martha Gray Moseley, and my friend Hobson thinks there's a good chance it's really Poythress and the census clerk didn't know how to spell it right. They are listed in the middle of all of Martha's children and grandchildren, not at the end as a boarder usually would be. There were also some King relatives that went with these Gray families to Danville at the same time. These possible Poythress kin were listed as Ada and John B. Potrice. Here's my notes on that household in case seeing other names may help you identify this family:
1900 Danville, Pittsylvania County, VA Census, Roll 1734 Book 1, Page 131 Bellview St.
Listed as "Martha Mosley", born Mar 1848, age 52, widowed, mother of 7 children, 6 living, she and her mother born in VA, father born England (really born Ireland), renting a house. She is listed as head of household, also in house: children Mary and John W.Moseley, boarders: Wiley Lynch (a nephew) and Ada and husband John B. Potrise/Potrice (?), and another Moseley family. Other family: James H. and Nannie E. Moseley. Their children: Willie, Rufus M., Flosie M., and Rosy. Parents James and Nannie are listed as boarders, but all their children are listed as grandchildren of Martha's. So assuming James is one of Martha Moseley's sons.
Ada was born April 1873, age 27, married 5 years, mother of zero children.
John B. was born March 1873 (? hard to read) and age 30, married for 5 years.
They and both parents born VA, and John was a weaver in the cotton mill.
Any info you may know would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Julie
It occurs to me (after reading the Newsweek article at the link in the
Eastman's column) to add to my request for info, that it is helpful to
know the age of the person when the death-causing ailment began.
I forgot to mention earlier that my father (gr-grandson of James Edward
Poythress) died at age 69 of lung cancer diagnosed (only a few months
prior to death) at age 68 following 50 yrs of smoking.
No Alzheimer's in our branch of the family so far.
Thanks, Crystal, for the info for your family line.
Barbara
04/26/2005 2:46:34
RE: Sarah G. Poythress
Lyn Baird
Julie, I must concur with Barbara's reading. Sarah's death record places
her death in the same county as Lewis and Rebecca Poythress. When I wrote
"home of...", likely I meant "county of residence of..."
(With respect to your question - "Any suggestions or Poythress things you'd
like me to check out on my next trip to Richmond?" - if I had time to spend
researching Poythress in 19th century southside Virginia, I would focus on
the chancery court records of Library of Virginia, concentrating on allied
family names such as Nance, Taylor and Dortch. Thanks for asking. 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:13 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Sarah G. Poythress info and question to an earlier posting
Glad to know you, too, Julie had found the other deaths in the Library of VA
records; the more eyes seeing the same things in those old records, the
better -- as you noted such old records are very difficult to work with.
Re your question "At the bottom of the email Lyn posted this paragraph.
I'm curious if you all knew how she was "in the home of her supposed father,
Lewis Poythress" because that is the very I have been seeking.
Or is this just a statement "supposed" because it is still just theory."
I understood Lyn's statement at the end of his transcribed death records, to
just be calling our attention to the fact that Sarah's death record was the
first actual record that showed Sarah G. Dortch (who we know to have the
maiden name of Poythress) being in Mecklenburg County (which county was the
home-county of her father, Lewis Poythress).
I do not think he was meaning to imply that she was in the household of her
father Lewis when she died, especially since it was Sarah's husband, Wm A
Dortch, who gave the death info.
Good luck in searching for more info on Lewis & Rebecca Poythress at the
LVA. I have not found in previous searches any estate record or any chancery
court record for him/them.
Barbara (BPN)
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Re: Sarah G. Poythress
Julie Cabitto
Thanks! I think you and Barbara are both right, and maybe one day I'll find
a paper that tells us for sure. I will look and see if I can find any
Poythress chancery cases. I have a bunch of very large Dortch chancery cases
already that I still haven't transcribed. I'll keep an eye out for any
Poythress names.
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: Sarah G. Poythress
> Julie, I must concur with Barbara's reading. Sarah's death record places
> her death in the same county as Lewis and Rebecca Poythress. When I wrote
> "home of...", likely I meant "county of residence of..."
>
> (With respect to your question - "Any suggestions or Poythress things
> you'd
> like me to check out on my next trip to Richmond?" - if I had time to
> spend
> researching Poythress in 19th century southside Virginia, I would focus on
> the chancery court records of Library of Virginia, concentrating on allied
> family names such as Nance, Taylor and Dortch. Thanks for asking. 🙂
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Sarah G. Poythress info and question to an earlier posting
>
> Glad to know you, too, Julie had found the other deaths in the Library of
> VA
> records; the more eyes seeing the same things in those old records, the
> better -- as you noted such old records are very difficult to work with.
>
> Re your question "At the bottom of the email Lyn posted this paragraph.
> I'm curious if you all knew how she was "in the home of her supposed
> father,
> Lewis Poythress" because that is the very I have been seeking.
> Or is this just a statement "supposed" because it is still just theory."
>
> I understood Lyn's statement at the end of his transcribed death records,
> to
> just be calling our attention to the fact that Sarah's death record was
> the
> first actual record that showed Sarah G. Dortch (who we know to have the
> maiden name of Poythress) being in Mecklenburg County (which county was
> the
> home-county of her father, Lewis Poythress).
>
> I do not think he was meaning to imply that she was in the household of
> her
> father Lewis when she died, especially since it was Sarah's husband, Wm A
> Dortch, who gave the death info.
>
> Good luck in searching for more info on Lewis & Rebecca Poythress at the
> LVA. I have not found in previous searches any estate record or any
> chancery
> court record for him/them.
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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04/26/2005 3:54:00
Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Crystal
Our Poythress group has a tendency towards heart failure/attacks, strokes and anemias (pernicious anemia to be specific). I, myself, fought cervical cancer 10 years ago. 2 children of Mamie Poythress suffered strokes and both had severe heart disease. 2 other of her children suffered from Alzheimer's and the last has been fighting breast cancer for a number of years.
Crystal 🙂
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
Sent: Apr 26, 2005 7:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Off-list, I have had an inquiry from one of our subscribers, asking
whether anyone else of the Poythress family name has had testicular
cancer or breast cancer or early heart attacks or stroke. The writer
mentioned, in a line descending from Lewis Poythress, two deaths from
testicular cancer:
- one gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man was son of a Poythress
father who was born in 1887 (since my correspondent did not say which of
his sons died of testicular cancer, and since the deceased sons that I
have listed for this man died at ages from 67-77, I don't know which son
it was, except that it was apparently not the father of the
next-mentioned man)
- one gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man is grandson of the
above-mentioned Poythress man born in 1887. The man who died of the
cancer had a Poythress father who was born in 1916; man who died of the
cancer is likely the one I find in my database who was born in 1951 &
died at age 25.
My correspondent did not cite the particular instances of breast cancer
or of early heart attacks or stroke that may have prompted mentioning
those ailments. (I know, by the way, a male friend -- NOT a Poythress --
who died of male breast cancer, and that cancer is particularly vicious.)
Such info is vital for all of us to know, and I think we would all be
wise to share such info, but I recommend against listing names out of
respect for the families, unless the instance was long, long ago.
The only cancer deaths I know of, in my own Poythress line, are the
following 2 from 1913 and 1934. Since neither of these Poythress women
had descendants, I have no hesitation in sharing their names:
One of the daughters of Algernon Poythress, Annie Priscilla (sister of
my grandfather) died of breast cancer in 1913 at age 39, ten years after
marrying; the couple had no children.
A sister of hers, Adelaide Ellen/Elenor, died of cancer of the pelvic
bone in 1934 at age 52, about 2 yrs after onset of the disease according
to her death certificate. (Being of the pelvic bone, I can't help but
wonder whether she earlier had cancer in her reproductive area.) She had
married 30 years earlier (ironically she married the brother of Annie's
husband); this couple also had no children.
Re heart attack or stroke:
The only stroke I see recorded in my own Poythress line, is the
following one:
A sister of Algernon Edward Poythress (i.e. daughter of James Edward
Poythress), who was born in the 1840s died of stroke in 1920 in her 70s.
Her death certificate cited that her cause of death was apoplexy (which
is stroke) two weeks before death, and contributory cause was arterior
sclerosis. She had 6 children, whose descendants I don't know anything
about.
It seems to me that one of my Poythress uncles, who died in the early
1970s in his 60s, died of either a heart attack or stroke, but I'll have
to get in touch with a cousin of mine to confirm whether my recollection
is correct.
Any additional info on Poythress cancer & heart attacks or stroke would
be appreciated. Please give an indication of who was the ancestor of the
person, as far back as you know it.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
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04/26/2005 4:31:59
Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Barbara P. Neal
Off-list, I have had an inquiry from one of our subscribers, asking
whether anyone else of the Poythress family name has had testicular
cancer or breast cancer or early heart attacks or stroke. The writer
mentioned, in a line descending from Lewis Poythress, two deaths from
testicular cancer:
- one gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man was son of a Poythress
father who was born in 1887 (since my correspondent did not say which of
his sons died of testicular cancer, and since the deceased sons that I
have listed for this man died at ages from 67-77, I don't know which son
it was, except that it was apparently not the father of the
next-mentioned man)
- one gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man is grandson of the
above-mentioned Poythress man born in 1887. The man who died of the
cancer had a Poythress father who was born in 1916; man who died of the
cancer is likely the one I find in my database who was born in 1951 &
died at age 25.
My correspondent did not cite the particular instances of breast cancer
or of early heart attacks or stroke that may have prompted mentioning
those ailments. (I know, by the way, a male friend -- NOT a Poythress --
who died of male breast cancer, and that cancer is particularly vicious.)
Such info is vital for all of us to know, and I think we would all be
wise to share such info, but I recommend against listing names out of
respect for the families, unless the instance was long, long ago.
The only cancer deaths I know of, in my own Poythress line, are the
following 2 from 1913 and 1934. Since neither of these Poythress women
had descendants, I have no hesitation in sharing their names:
One of the daughters of Algernon Poythress, Annie Priscilla (sister of
my grandfather) died of breast cancer in 1913 at age 39, ten years after
marrying; the couple had no children.
A sister of hers, Adelaide Ellen/Elenor, died of cancer of the pelvic
bone in 1934 at age 52, about 2 yrs after onset of the disease according
to her death certificate. (Being of the pelvic bone, I can't help but
wonder whether she earlier had cancer in her reproductive area.) She had
married 30 years earlier (ironically she married the brother of Annie's
husband); this couple also had no children.
Re heart attack or stroke:
The only stroke I see recorded in my own Poythress line, is the
following one:
A sister of Algernon Edward Poythress (i.e. daughter of James Edward
Poythress), who was born in the 1840s died of stroke in 1920 in her 70s.
Her death certificate cited that her cause of death was apoplexy (which
is stroke) two weeks before death, and contributory cause was arterior
sclerosis. She had 6 children, whose descendants I don't know anything
about.
It seems to me that one of my Poythress uncles, who died in the early
1970s in his 60s, died of either a heart attack or stroke, but I'll have
to get in touch with a cousin of mine to confirm whether my recollection
is correct.
Any additional info on Poythress cancer & heart attacks or stroke would
be appreciated. Please give an indication of who was the ancestor of the
person, as far back as you know it.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
04/26/2005 10:30:25
Inherited health risk article from Dick Eastman's free newsletter
Barbara P. Neal
From Dick Eastman's copyrighted column, Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter, Free Edition, dated April 17, 2005 is the following article
that links to a Newsweek Magazine article on the subject of inherited
health risks:
April 17, 2005
Heredity and Health: Tracking Family History
Newsweek Magazine has an article that should be required reading by all
genealogists. After all, we are the ones who keep the family records.
Not all of us realize the power that we have. It is not too dramatic to
state that genealogists have the power to save or prolong our own lives
and possibly the lives of our loved ones, all by simple record keeping
and analysis.
In the Newsweek article, Dr. Howard Lewine, chief editor for Internet
publishing at Harvard Health Publications at Harvard Medical School, writes:
Each of us inherits a unique set of health risks from our ancestors. For
some diseases, family history is defined by a single scrap of DNA.
Anyone cursed with the gene for Huntington's disease will eventually
suffer the symptoms, but hereditary risks are rarely so straightforward.
Most medical conditions involve multiple genes, which get passed along
in different combinations. As a general rule, having a first-degree
relative with heart disease, asthma, osteoporosis or type 2 diabetes
doubles your own risk. When two or more cases occur in the same
immediate family, the odds increase by fourfold or more. The same
pattern holds for cancers of the breast, colon and prostate. Yet none of
these conditions is inevitable, even in people at high risk. With a
detailed knowledge of your family medical history, you can often take
the steps needed to protect yourself.
If you discover that a serious health problem runs in your family, don't
despair. By eating well, exercising and monitoring your intake of
essential nutrients and vitamins, you can offset and sometimes even
neutralize your genetic susceptibilities.
This is a "must read" article at
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7529182/site/newsweek.
Posted by Dick Eastman on April 17, 2005
The link to Dick Eastman's column is:
http://eogn.typepad.com/
04/26/2005 10:30:44
Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Barbara,
Most all of the Poythress women & 1 man in my Poythress family died from stroke.
My mother had a stroke before she died. She was the youngest and last to die. It was from heart failure though. She was 82. Most all of them were in their late seventies or eighties. One uncle was 90. None had cancer.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 07:30:25 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
>
> Off-list, I have had an inquiry from one of our subscribers, asking
> whether anyone else of the Poythress family name has had testicular
> cancer or breast cancer or early heart attacks or stroke. The writer
> mentioned, in a line descending from Lewis Poythress, two deaths from
> testicular cancer:
> - one gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man was son of a Poythress
> father who was born in 1887 (since my correspondent did not say which of
> his sons died of testicular cancer, and since the deceased sons that I
> have listed for this man died at ages from 67-77, I don't know which son
> it was, except that it was apparently not the father of the
> next-mentioned man)
> - one gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man is grandson of the
> above-mentioned Poythress man born in 1887. The man who died of the
> cancer had a Poythress father who was born in 1916; man who died of the
> cancer is likely the one I find in my database who was born in 1951 &
> died at age 25.
>
> My correspondent did not cite the particular instances of breast cancer
> or of early heart attacks or stroke that may have prompted mentioning
> those ailments. (I know, by the way, a male friend -- NOT a Poythress --
> who died of male breast cancer, and that cancer is particularly vicious.)
>
> Such info is vital for all of us to know, and I think we would all be
> wise to share such info, but I recommend against listing names out of
> respect for the families, unless the instance was long, long ago.
>
> The only cancer deaths I know of, in my own Poythress line, are the
> following 2 from 1913 and 1934. Since neither of these Poythress women
> had descendants, I have no hesitation in sharing their names:
>
> One of the daughters of Algernon Poythress, Annie Priscilla (sister of
> my grandfather) died of breast cancer in 1913 at age 39, ten years after
> marrying; the couple had no children.
>
> A sister of hers, Adelaide Ellen/Elenor, died of cancer of the pelvic
> bone in 1934 at age 52, about 2 yrs after onset of the disease according
> to her death certificate. (Being of the pelvic bone, I can't help but
> wonder whether she earlier had cancer in her reproductive area.) She had
> married 30 years earlier (ironically she married the brother of Annie's
> husband); this couple also had no children.
>
> Re heart attack or stroke:
> The only stroke I see recorded in my own Poythress line, is the
> following one:
> A sister of Algernon Edward Poythress (i.e. daughter of James Edward
> Poythress), who was born in the 1840s died of stroke in 1920 in her 70s.
> Her death certificate cited that her cause of death was apoplexy (which
> is stroke) two weeks before death, and contributory cause was arterior
> sclerosis. She had 6 children, whose descendants I don't know anything
> about.
>
> It seems to me that one of my Poythress uncles, who died in the early
> 1970s in his 60s, died of either a heart attack or stroke, but I'll have
> to get in touch with a cousin of mine to confirm whether my recollection
> is correct.
>
> Any additional info on Poythress cancer & heart attacks or stroke would
> be appreciated. Please give an indication of who was the ancestor of the
> person, as far back as you know it.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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04/27/2005 3:46:56
Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Judy.
Barbara
04/27/2005 5:38:19
Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
HScherer
Hello, List---I was researching the William Gary family in Prince George Co,
VA ., in 1713. He lived in a small town of Garysville, "located a short
distance from Hopewell, some eleven miles east of Petersburg, on the old
stage road between Richmond and Norfolk, VA It has a large grist mill, so
essential to the early settlers. The old mill was called 'Poythess Mill',
'Bland Mill' and finally 'Cocke Mill', probably named for subsequent
owners." I don't remember reading about a Poythress owning a grist mill in
Garysville. Thought you'd like this tidbit. Harriet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
> Thanks, Judy.
> Barbara
>
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04/27/2005 6:38:21
Mill at Garysville, VA near Hopewell
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Harriet.
Barbara (BPN)
HScherer wrote:
> Hello, List---I was researching the William Gary family in Prince George
> Co, VA ., in 1713. He lived in a small town of Garysville, "located a
> short distance from Hopewell, some eleven miles east of Petersburg, on
> the old stage road between Richmond and Norfolk, VA It has a large
> grist mill, so essential to the early settlers. The old mill was called
> 'Poythess Mill', 'Bland Mill' and finally 'Cocke Mill', probably named
> for subsequent owners." I don't remember reading about a Poythress
> owning a grist mill in Garysville. Thought you'd like this tidbit.
> Harriet
04/27/2005 7:21:24
Re: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Lyn. Yeah, your particular line doesn't offer us big numbers for
statistics I'm glad your Mom had you!
Barbara (BPN)
04/29/2005 3:01:39
RE: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Lyn Baird
Barbara, thanks for this query.
As a known descendant of Lewis Poythress, I am not aware of strong
susceptibilities to these early conditions in my line. Then again, my line
is pretty much a statistical zero on these questions - only child (male) of
only child that did not suffer infant mortality (female) of youngest son
(died prematurely, age 33, pneumonia) of James David Poythress, who died at
age 73, which was pretty good back then.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress cancer & heart risk inquiry
Off-list, I have had an inquiry from one of our subscribers, asking whether
anyone else of the Poythress family name has had testicular cancer or breast
cancer or early heart attacks or stroke. The writer mentioned, in a line
descending from Lewis Poythress, two deaths from testicular cancer:
- one gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man was son of a Poythress
father who was born in 1887 (since my correspondent did not say which of his
sons died of testicular cancer, and since the deceased sons that I have
listed for this man died at ages from 67-77, I don't know which son it was,
except that it was apparently not the father of the next-mentioned man)
- one gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress: this man is grandson of the
above-mentioned Poythress man born in 1887. The man who died of the cancer
had a Poythress father who was born in 1916; man who died of the cancer is
likely the one I find in my database who was born in 1951 & died at age 25.
My correspondent did not cite the particular instances of breast cancer or
of early heart attacks or stroke that may have prompted mentioning those
ailments. (I know, by the way, a male friend -- NOT a Poythress -- who died
of male breast cancer, and that cancer is particularly vicious.)
Such info is vital for all of us to know, and I think we would all be wise
to share such info, but I recommend against listing names out of respect for
the families, unless the instance was long, long ago.
The only cancer deaths I know of, in my own Poythress line, are the
following 2 from 1913 and 1934. Since neither of these Poythress women had
descendants, I have no hesitation in sharing their names:
One of the daughters of Algernon Poythress, Annie Priscilla (sister of my
grandfather) died of breast cancer in 1913 at age 39, ten years after
marrying; the couple had no children.
A sister of hers, Adelaide Ellen/Elenor, died of cancer of the pelvic bone
in 1934 at age 52, about 2 yrs after onset of the disease according to her
death certificate. (Being of the pelvic bone, I can't help but wonder
whether she earlier had cancer in her reproductive area.) She had married 30
years earlier (ironically she married the brother of Annie's husband); this
couple also had no children.
Re heart attack or stroke:
The only stroke I see recorded in my own Poythress line, is the following
one:
A sister of Algernon Edward Poythress (i.e. daughter of James Edward
Poythress), who was born in the 1840s died of stroke in 1920 in her 70s.
Her death certificate cited that her cause of death was apoplexy (which is
stroke) two weeks before death, and contributory cause was arterior
sclerosis. She had 6 children, whose descendants I don't know anything
about.
It seems to me that one of my Poythress uncles, who died in the early 1970s
in his 60s, died of either a heart attack or stroke, but I'll have to get in
touch with a cousin of mine to confirm whether my recollection is correct.
Any additional info on Poythress cancer & heart attacks or stroke would be
appreciated. Please give an indication of who was the ancestor of the
person, as far back as you know it.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
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04/29/2005 4:21:31
Poythress Run....
John M. Poythress
By George, I think he's got it ..great job, Lou. Now we have two
"significant" bodies of water named for us!!! Anyone care to be the
first to "take the waters" and give us a report?
Maynard
05/01/2005 4:09:04
Poythress Run
John M. Poythress
Below is a contemporary document of no importance itself but it cites
"Poythress Run." Apparently we have another creek to run down
Maynard
The boundary segment between the Sixty-second and Seventy-fourth House
of Delegates Districts within the City of Hopewell beginning at the
point where Poythress Run intersects the corporate limits of the City of
Hopewell, then west on Poythress Run to Station Street, northeast on
Station Street to Ramsey Street, northeast on Ramsey Street to East
Broadway, west on East Broadway to Marks Street, north on Marks Street
to Cawson
05/01/2005 10:36:39
Re: Poythress Run
Michael Tutor
What year was this referenced?....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: Poythress Run
> Below is a contemporary document of no importance itself but it cites
> "Poythress Run." Apparently we have another creek to run down
> Maynard
>
>
> The boundary segment between the Sixty-second and Seventy-fourth House
> of Delegates Districts within the City of Hopewell beginning at the
> point where Poythress Run intersects the corporate limits of the City of
> Hopewell, then west on Poythress Run to Station Street, northeast on
> Station Street to Ramsey Street, northeast on Ramsey Street to East
> Broadway, west on East Broadway to Marks Street, north on Marks Street
> to Cawson
>
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05/01/2005 10:54:34
RE: Poythress Run
JLP
Found it!!! But I can't send a picture to the list, so I'll try to
describe the location.
In the southeastern part of Hopewell, if you can find a street map
(MapQuest is a good option), find Station Street. Poythress Street is
parallel to Station Street, and just north of it.
Poythress Run is a little-bitty stream that empties into the James.
It crosses Station Street twice between Station Street's intersection
with E Broadway Ave and with Station Street's intersection with
Hopewell Street. To the east of the E. Broadway Ave intersection with
Station Street, Poythress Run is south of Station Street and generally
parallels Station Street until it empties into the James River.
Best I can do.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:37 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Run
Below is a contemporary document of no importance itself but it cites
"Poythress Run." Apparently we have another creek to run down
Maynard
The boundary segment between the Sixty-second and Seventy-fourth House
of Delegates Districts within the City of Hopewell beginning at the
point where Poythress Run intersects the corporate limits of the City
of Hopewell, then west on Poythress Run to Station Street, northeast
on Station Street to Ramsey Street, northeast on Ramsey Street to East
Broadway, west on East Broadway to Marks Street, north on Marks Street
to Cawson
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05/01/2005 11:24:00
RE: Poythress Run
John M. Poythress
It was current....sometime this year. So GNIS probably would have
it....now I just need to find GNIS .
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:55 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress Run
What year was this referenced?....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: Poythress Run
> Below is a contemporary document of no importance itself but it cites
> "Poythress Run." Apparently we have another creek to run down
> Maynard
>
>
> The boundary segment between the Sixty-second and Seventy-fourth House
> of Delegates Districts within the City of Hopewell beginning at the
> point where Poythress Run intersects the corporate limits of the City
of
> Hopewell, then west on Poythress Run to Station Street, northeast on
> Station Street to Ramsey Street, northeast on Ramsey Street to East
> Broadway, west on East Broadway to Marks Street, north on Marks Street
> to Cawson
>
>
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05/01/2005 11:44:07
Neat!
John M. Poythress
Everton Publishing has new owners
The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The November/December
2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very important
step for the new management and ownership of a company that has long
been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It will give
us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to provide
genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible educational
information, materials and programs, the most comprehensive and
technologically advanced research methods, databases and resources, and
a wide range of options to memorialize or publish research results.
We are a team of experienced genealogists and
publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and earning
a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide invaluable,
decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In order to earn
this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the revitalized
Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new Everton will
offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on everything and
more, that we promise.
For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish each
and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
The Genealogical Helper will provide all the educational
content, features and sources of the magazine when it was the most
popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly Hansen will
return as Editor. There will be regular features on the latest in
research technology and resources, the content and public access to the
60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and in-depth articles from
our readers, as well as professional genealogists. We will expand the
book review section and continuing education will once again be
emphasized. And please - we welcome the suggestions of our readers
regarding the content and format of the Genealogical Helper.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System. The
Library will be open and available to the public within a year, and
through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library will be
available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place, there will
be options for remote access to this invaluable collection. We will also
hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve around the
Library.
As for other products and services, The Handybook for
Genealogists, 11th Edition will be published within the next 12 months
and will be the most extensively revised edition in years. Stay tuned
for more information on updates and new features. We will also offer a
wide range of publishing options to both genealogical associations and
individuals interested in acquiring reprints of prized publications, or
publishing original editions or revisions of family or area genealogical
histories.
We encourage the genealogical community and all those
with an interest in researching and preserving family history to send
Everton Publishing Company their comments, via phone or letter. Call and
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Library. We want your thoughts and suggestions. We want to hear from as
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Sincerely,
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President & Publisher
05/03/2005 4:55:11
Ah, the Welsh....
John M. Poythress
Likely the progenitors of Francis..but be forewarned. These are the
same great guys who invented "the Piltdown Man" scam. This one may
even top the phony "genealogies" we see on the web every day.
Maynard
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ found at National Library
It sounds like it could be a chapter straight from the pages of the
international best-seller The Da Vinci Code. Just like Dan Brown's book,
the dusty document contains long forgotten insights into the history and
relationships of Jesus Christ.
Now scholars at a Welsh college believe they have unearthed their own
version of the Da Vinci code with the discovery of a 400-year-old book.
Entitled The Genealogy of Jesus Christ, it has spent the past 70 years
locked in the dusty depths of the National Library of Wales in
Aberystwyth. Peter Hogan, the warden at Llandovery College, happened on
the school's lost document while trawling through archives.
He said, "I was absolutely flabbergasted. There isn't anybody I know who
hasn't read The Da Vinci Code, and we've found the sort of thing that
would have been a major part of the plot."
A spokesman for Catholic newspaper The Tablet believed the find could be
extremely significant.
05/03/2005 5:02:33
Date of Death Francis1
John M. Poythress
In looking over some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is
writing a Mr. Cocke to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he
and his wife Agnes deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their
daughter Mary Malone and also of the same county some property to their
son Robert.
Hall suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests
Robert's son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have m.
Col. Robert Wynne 1657 or before.
Since we have no document of Francis' later than the 20 Sep 1651
participation in the Northumberland estate of a Mr. Sedgraves, I lean to
the notion that knowing this doesn't help us all that much..if Hall's
assumption is true I guess we can say Francis1
d. after 1651 before 1657. That's not narrowing the gap all that much
for us.
Anybody have any thoughts...or better yet, access to Deeds & Wills of
Surry in 1708???
Maynard
05/03/2005 5:13:09
RE: Neat!
Deloris Riley
Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date.
Here is my take on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view:
Apparently, Francis was older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622)
since Francis was supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's;
is that correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as
Francis?
The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651.
I have known for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that
he was age 30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would
have been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a
daughter named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married
and had a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert
had a former wife, but I have no proof.
HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it
might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?
I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
when they would let you browse through all of their records at your own
discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now. Maybe
so. I copied all
Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made a
couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so I
feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still believe
the Court House is the best place to go.
I am not ruling out that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's
first wife, but ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't
know when Francis Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we
still need more documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts?
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Neat!
Everton Publishing has new owners
The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The November/December
2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very important
step for the new management and ownership of a company that has long
been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It will give
us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to provide
genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible educational
information, materials and programs, the most comprehensive and
technologically advanced research methods, databases and resources, and
a wide range of options to memorialize or publish research results.
We are a team of experienced genealogists and
publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and earning
a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide invaluable,
decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In order to earn
this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the revitalized
Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new Everton will
offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on everything and
more, that we promise.
For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish each
and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
The Genealogical Helper will provide all the educational
content, features and sources of the magazine when it was the most
popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly Hansen will
return as Editor. There will be regular features on the latest in
research technology and resources, the content and public access to the
60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and in-depth articles from
our readers, as well as professional genealogists. We will expand the
book review section and continuing education will once again be
emphasized. And please - we welcome the suggestions of our readers
regarding the content and format of the Genealogical Helper.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System. The
Library will be open and available to the public within a year, and
through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library will be
available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place, there will
be options for remote access to this invaluable collection. We will also
hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve around the
Library.
As for other products and services, The Handybook for
Genealogists, 11th Edition will be published within the next 12 months
and will be the most extensively revised edition in years. Stay tuned
for more information on updates and new features. We will also offer a
wide range of publishing options to both genealogical associations and
individuals interested in acquiring reprints of prized publications, or
publishing original editions or revisions of family or area genealogical
histories.
We encourage the genealogical community and all those
with an interest in researching and preserving family history to send
Everton Publishing Company their comments, via phone or letter. Call and
ask about any of our publications, products and services, or the
Library. We want your thoughts and suggestions. We want to hear from as
many of you as possible. Again, we are dedicated to providing every
family history researcher and the genealogical industry with exactly
what they need.
Sincerely,
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President & Publisher
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05/04/2005 6:55:51
RE: Neat!
JLP
Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the only
one, I'll address this to the list.
You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he was
30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work for
me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should be
"50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you referring
to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not heard
of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
until the conception of Thomas was possible.
I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the women
were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests it
might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost at
this point...
Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
obvious, but I truly do not understand.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis was
older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as Francis?
The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have known
for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a daughter
named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and had
a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had a
former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my
mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where
is the connection?
I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
when they would let you browse through all of their records at your
own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now.
Maybe so. I copied all
Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made
a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so
I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when Francis
Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Neat!
Everton Publishing has new owners
The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The
November/December
2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very
important step for the new management and ownership of a company that
has long been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It
will give us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to
provide genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible
educational information, materials and programs, the most
comprehensive and technologically advanced research methods, databases
and resources, and a wide range of options to memorialize or publish
research results.
We are a team of experienced genealogists and
publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and
earning a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide
invaluable, decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In
order to earn this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the
revitalized Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new
Everton will offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on
everything and more, that we promise.
For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish
each and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
The Genealogical Helper will provide all the
educational content, features and sources of the magazine when it was
the most popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly
Hansen will return as Editor. There will be regular features on the
latest in research technology and resources, the content and public
access to the 60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and
in-depth articles from our readers, as well as professional
genealogists. We will expand the book review section and continuing
education will once again be emphasized. And please - we welcome the
suggestions of our readers regarding the content and format of the
Genealogical Helper.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System.
The Library will be open and available to the public within a year,
and through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library
will be available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place,
there will be options for remote access to this invaluable collection.
We will also hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve
around the Library.
As for other products and services, The Handybook for
Genealogists, 11th Edition will be published within the next 12 months
and will be the most extensively revised edition in years. Stay tuned
for more information on updates and new features. We will also offer a
wide range of publishing options to both genealogical associations and
individuals interested in acquiring reprints of prized publications,
or publishing original editions or revisions of family or area
genealogical histories.
We encourage the genealogical community and all those
with an interest in researching and preserving family history to send
Everton Publishing Company their comments, via phone or letter. Call
and ask about any of our publications, products and services, or the
Library. We want your thoughts and suggestions. We want to hear from
as many of you as possible. Again, we are dedicated to providing every
family history researcher and the genealogical industry with exactly
what they need.
Sincerely,
Walter Fuller
President & Publisher
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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www.poythress.net
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05/04/2005 8:32:12
RE: Neat!
Deloris Riley
Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I will
attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
(1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not referring
to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas Poythress
was born?
HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary Poythress youngest
son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any sense, if indeed Mary
was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would name two of her sons
"Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
(2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I have
not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document who
married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your early
Poythress line?
(3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously, I
was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne standpoint and,
right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly document
any children that could have resulted from such a marriage. I fully
accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of Francis
Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I have seen,
that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF she was the
same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas Wynne. I need
more evidence.
As far as I can determine, all we know now about the year that Francis
Poythress I could have died is that it was after 1651.
I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis I) sons referred to
Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers" but this could have
easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert Wynne's will he
referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law" which some claim
also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly convinced about this
either).
(4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking over
some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr. Cocke
to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his wife Agnes
deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary Malone
and also of the same county some property to their son Robert. Hall
suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests Robert's
son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have m. Col. Robert
Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this reasoning, can you?
(5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this is
the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived (Albemarle
Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were originally
in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co. This happened in
a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince George Co.,
Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I hope I have
answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the only
one, I'll address this to the list.
You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he was
30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work for
me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should be
"50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you referring
to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not heard
of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
until the conception of Thomas was possible.
I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the women
were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests it
might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost at
this point...
Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
obvious, but I truly do not understand.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis was
older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as Francis?
The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have known
for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a daughter
named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and had
a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had a
former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my
mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where
is the connection?
I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
when they would let you browse through all of their records at your
own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now.
Maybe so. I copied all
Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made
a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so
I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when Francis
Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Neat!
Everton Publishing has new owners
The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The
November/December
2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very
important step for the new management and ownership of a company that
has long been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It
will give us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to
provide genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible
educational information, materials and programs, the most
comprehensive and technologically advanced research methods, databases
and resources, and a wide range of options to memorialize or publish
research results.
We are a team of experienced genealogists and
publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and
earning a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide
invaluable, decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In
order to earn this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the
revitalized Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new
Everton will offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on
everything and more, that we promise.
For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish
each and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
The Genealogical Helper will provide all the
educational content, features and sources of the magazine when it was
the most popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly
Hansen will return as Editor. There will be regular features on the
latest in research technology and resources, the content and public
access to the 60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and
in-depth articles from our readers, as well as professional
genealogists. We will expand the book review section and continuing
education will once again be emphasized. And please - we welcome the
suggestions of our readers regarding the content and format of the
Genealogical Helper.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System.
The Library will be open and available to the public within a year,
and through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library
will be available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place,
there will be options for remote access to this invaluable collection.
We will also hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve
around the Library.
As for other products and services, The Handybook for
Genealogists, 11th Edition will be published within the next 12 months
and will be the most extensively revised edition in years. Stay tuned
for more information on updates and new features. We will also offer a
wide range of publishing options to both genealogical associations and
individuals interested in acquiring reprints of prized publications,
or publishing original editions or revisions of family or area
genealogical histories.
We encourage the genealogical community and all those
with an interest in researching and preserving family history to send
Everton Publishing Company their comments, via phone or letter. Call
and ask about any of our publications, products and services, or the
Library. We want your thoughts and suggestions. We want to hear from
as many of you as possible. Again, we are dedicated to providing every
family history researcher and the genealogical industry with exactly
what they need.
Sincerely,
Walter Fuller
President & Publisher
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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05/04/2005 11:34:43
RE: Neat!
JLP
Ahso! Now at least I understand the question, even if I don't have
many (or any) answers...
I have seen various authors state that Francis Poythress died "ca.
1650" and "BEFORE 1661." So it appears that unless some new document
miraculously comes to light the date of his death is going to remain
fuzzy as between circa 1650 and 1660.
No, I have no information on Thomas Poythress's birth date. I was
getting real excited when I was reading into your earlier message that
you might be talking about him, and might have a date of birth date
for him.
On the issue of the older man - younger woman - older man, consider
this... I would guess that Mary, widow of Francis, was considerably
younger than Francis. We at least know that she was still of
child-bearing age when Francis died, and that - I would guess - might
make her 20 years or more younger than Francis. Thus, she might have
been nearly the same age as Robert Wynne.
No, I know of no other instance of a much older woman marrying a
younger man in the Poythress family, but in my study of over 200
families, I have definitely come across instances of such liaisons
among other families (unfortunately I cannot cite one right now, but
for some reason the cases I do remember came from Virginia among the
"upper set.") It did happen, but it was not a common occurrence.
Would Mary name a Wynne son Thomas when she had a Poythress son of
that name? It is possible. First of all, we don't know when Thomas
Poythress died, or what became of him. He might have died very young
then. There are plenty of instances in genealogy of families
"recycling" names, particularly important ones. And in this case, if
it did happen, the new Thomas was a Thomas WYNNE, which would
distinguish him from a Thomas POYTHRESS. So this appears to be
another of those fuzzys - not highly likely, but not impossible or
unheard of either.
I still may be missing something but it seems to me that if you,
yourself, have seen the deposition that a Thomas Wynne made in 1707
stating his age as 50 years old, then he must have been born ca.
1656-1658 (allowing a little room for sloppiness). So then the real
issue has to be: was Thomas Wynne the son of Mary? If Thomas was the
son of Mary, then it would of course mean that Robert Wynne and Mary,
widow of Francis, were married about a year before Thomas' birth,
meaning, in turn, that Francis Poythress died before this date. BUT
if Robert Wynne had a first wife who died in the childbirth of Thomas,
then it could very well mean that Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress were
married somewhat later. Isn't that really the crux of the issue,
i.e., who was the mother of Thomas Wynne? I sure don't have an answer
to that one! And yes, I think I understand what Dr. Hall's reasoning
might be, but only if one assumes that, indeed, Thomas was the son of
Mary - which may not be a valid assumption.
Best I can do for now...
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I
will attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
(1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not referring
to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas Poythress
was born?
HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary Poythress youngest
son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any sense, if indeed
Mary was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would name two of her
sons "Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
(2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I have
not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document
who married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your
early Poythress line?
(3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously,
I was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne standpoint
and, right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly
document any children that could have resulted from such a marriage.
I fully accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of
Francis Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I have
seen, that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF she
was the same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas
Wynne. I need more evidence. As far as I can determine, all we know
now about the year that Francis Poythress I could have died is that it
was after 1651. I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis
I) sons referred to Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers" but
this could have easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert
Wynne's will he referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law"
which some claim also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly convinced
about this either).
(4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking over
some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr.
Cocke to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his wife
Agnes deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary
Malone and also of the same county some property to their son Robert.
Hall suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests
Robert's son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have m.
Col. Robert Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this
reasoning, can you?
(5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this
is the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived (Albemarle
Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were
originally in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co. This
happened in a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince
George Co., Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I hope
I have answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the only
one, I'll address this to the list.
You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he was
30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work for
me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should be
"50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you referring
to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not heard
of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
until the conception of Thomas was possible.
I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the women
were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests it
might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost at
this point...
Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
obvious, but I truly do not understand.
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Neat!
Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis was
older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as Francis?
The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have known
for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a daughter
named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and had
a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had a
former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my
mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where
is the connection?
I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
when they would let you browse through all of their records at your
own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now.
Maybe so. I copied all
Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made
a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so
I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when Francis
Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Neat!
Everton Publishing has new owners
The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The
November/December
2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very
important step for the new management and ownership of a company that
has long been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It
will give us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to
provide genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible
educational information, materials and programs, the most
comprehensive and technologically advanced research methods, databases
and resources, and a wide range of options to memorialize or publish
research results.
We are a team of experienced genealogists and
publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and
earning a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide
invaluable, decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In
order to earn this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the
revitalized Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new
Everton will offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on
everything and more, that we promise.
For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish
each and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
The Genealogical Helper will provide all the
educational content, features and sources of the magazine when it was
the most popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly
Hansen will return as Editor. There will be regular features on the
latest in research technology and resources, the content and public
access to the 60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and
in-depth articles from our readers, as well as professional
genealogists. We will expand the book review section and continuing
education will once again be emphasized. And please - we welcome the
suggestions of our readers regarding the content and format of the
Genealogical Helper.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
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The Library will be open and available to the public within a year,
and through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library
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there will be options for remote access to this invaluable collection.
We will also hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve
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As for other products and services, The Handybook for
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05/04/2005 12:05:15
A HA!
John M. Poythress
The probable source of Dr. William B. Hall's abiding interest in
Poythress history...about which he wrote in such quantity in the
mid-30's:
"The sketch of James Alfred Jones published in "Eminent Representatives
of Virginia and the District of Columbia" (1893) states that Dr. Robert
Hall's grandfather was one of the first colonists of Flowerdeiu (sic)
Hundred, a settlement on the James River.
He married a Quakeress, Martha Pleasants. His son William Hall, father
of Dr. Robert Hall, married Susanna Poythress, and a daughter Patsy (or
Martha) married Benjamin Waller of Williamsburg. Robert Tignall Jones,
brother of James Alfred Jones, was Colonel of an Alabama regiment and
was killed in the War for Southern Independence." (See also William &
Mary Quarterly, XIII, p. 143) Source: Tyler's Quarterly Magazine, Vol.
6, p. 46.
Also suggests a couple of other items of peripheral and sometime
interest:
. How Dr. Hall came to be living in Selma, AL in his retirement and
active writing years.
. once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
"Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common today
and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
Interesting I thought.
Maynard
05/05/2005 4:14:10
Re: A HA!
In a message dated 5/5/2005 10:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
. once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
"Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common today
and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
I have just recently begun receiving these Poythress e-mails, and was
especially interested in the reference to Thomas Poythress and wife Martha/Patsy in
Burke County, GA. Their daughter, Elizabeth, married (2nd) Laban Odom, and
these latter two were my gr-gr-grandparents. I grew up in Burke County and
have much information on the Odom family, but little on the Poythress line
there. I would be most grateful for any help with this line - parents of
Thomas, etc., and any suggested sources for documentation.
With much appreciation to all the Poythress researchers who generously
share their findings,
Ruth Odom Reddick - Georgia
05/05/2005 4:25:47
RE: Neat!
JLP
Mike, it is very tempting to jump on something like that and shout
"Aha! Eureka! This proves that Thomas and Joshua are [full]
brothers!" And it very well may turn out that is the case. But they
frequently used those words of relationship very loosely in those
days, so I'd advise caution in making the obvious interpretation.
I've DEFINITELY seen a brother-in-law referred to as simply "brother"
in some records. And I've seen examples of half-brothers being
referred to as simply "brother" in some others. What we can be sure
of is that they were related somehow.
As they say on the cable news - fair and balanced: in the "for what
it's worth department."
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:00 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Neat!
From the "for what it's worth department:"
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback
to be ye Deviders of my Estate......(John Poythress' 1712
Will).......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: Neat!
> Ahso! Now at least I understand the question, even if I don't have
> many (or any) answers...
>
> I have seen various authors state that Francis Poythress died "ca.
> 1650" and "BEFORE 1661." So it appears that unless some new
document
> miraculously comes to light the date of his death is going to remain
> fuzzy as between circa 1650 and 1660.
>
> No, I have no information on Thomas Poythress's birth date. I was
> getting real excited when I was reading into your earlier message
that
> you might be talking about him, and might have a date of birth date
> for him.
>
> On the issue of the older man - younger woman - older man, consider
> this... I would guess that Mary, widow of Francis, was considerably
> younger than Francis. We at least know that she was still of
> child-bearing age when Francis died, and that - I would guess -
might
> make her 20 years or more younger than Francis. Thus, she might
have
> been nearly the same age as Robert Wynne.
>
> No, I know of no other instance of a much older woman marrying a
> younger man in the Poythress family, but in my study of over 200
> families, I have definitely come across instances of such liaisons
> among other families (unfortunately I cannot cite one right now, but
> for some reason the cases I do remember came from Virginia among the
> "upper set.") It did happen, but it was not a common occurrence.
>
> Would Mary name a Wynne son Thomas when she had a Poythress son of
> that name? It is possible. First of all, we don't know when Thomas
> Poythress died, or what became of him. He might have died very
young
> then. There are plenty of instances in genealogy of families
> "recycling" names, particularly important ones. And in this case,
if
> it did happen, the new Thomas was a Thomas WYNNE, which would
> distinguish him from a Thomas POYTHRESS. So this appears to be
> another of those fuzzys - not highly likely, but not impossible or
> unheard of either.
>
> I still may be missing something but it seems to me that if you,
> yourself, have seen the deposition that a Thomas Wynne made in 1707
> stating his age as 50 years old, then he must have been born ca.
> 1656-1658 (allowing a little room for sloppiness). So then the real
> issue has to be: was Thomas Wynne the son of Mary? If Thomas was
the
> son of Mary, then it would of course mean that Robert Wynne and
Mary,
> widow of Francis, were married about a year before Thomas' birth,
> meaning, in turn, that Francis Poythress died before this date. BUT
> if Robert Wynne had a first wife who died in the childbirth of
Thomas,
> then it could very well mean that Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
were
> married somewhat later. Isn't that really the crux of the issue,
> i.e., who was the mother of Thomas Wynne? I sure don't have an
answer
> to that one! And yes, I think I understand what Dr. Hall's
reasoning
> might be, but only if one assumes that, indeed, Thomas was the son
of
> Mary - which may not be a valid assumption.
>
> Best I can do for now...
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
> Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I
> will attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
> (1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
> 1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not
referring
> to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas
Poythress
> was born? HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary
> Poythress youngest son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any
> sense, if indeed Mary was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would
> name two of her sons "Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
> (2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
> based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
> more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I
have
> not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document
> who married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your
> early Poythress line?
> (3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously,
> I was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne
standpoint
> and, right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly
> document any children that could have resulted from such a marriage.
> I fully accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of
> Francis Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I
have
> seen, that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF
she
> was the same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas
> Wynne. I need more evidence. As far as I can determine, all we know
> now about the year that Francis Poythress I could have died is that
it
> was after 1651. I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis
> I) sons referred to Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers"
but
> this could have easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert
> Wynne's will he referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law"
> which some claim also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly
convinced
> about this either).
> (4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
> Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking
over
> some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr.
> Cocke to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his
wife
> Agnes deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary
> Malone and also of the same county some property to their son
Robert.
> Hall suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests
> Robert's son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have
m.
> Col. Robert Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this
> reasoning, can you?
>
> (5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this
> is the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived
(Albemarle
> Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
> County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were
> originally in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co.
This
> happened in a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince
> George Co., Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I
hope
> I have answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
> Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the
only
> one, I'll address this to the list.
>
> You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he
was
> 30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work
for
> me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should
be
> "50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you
referring
> to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
> you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not
heard
> of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
> the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
> until the conception of Thomas was possible.
>
> I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
> close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
> PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
> early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
> marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
> younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
> that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the
women
> were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
>
> And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
> article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
> that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
> children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
> suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
>
> But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests
it
> might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes
deeding
> property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
> this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost
at
> this point...
>
> Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
> issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
>
> Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
> obvious, but I truly do not understand.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
> Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
> Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
> on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis
was
> older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
> supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
> correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as
Francis?
> The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have
known
> for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
> 30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
> been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a
daughter
> named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and
had
> a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had
a
> former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in
my
> mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
> based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co.
Where
> is the connection? I have been to the court houses in Sussex and
Surry
> about 25 years ago when they would let you browse through all of
their
> records at your own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they
would
> do that now. Maybe so. I copied all
> Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that
time.
> The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a
several
> page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne
deeds
> and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have
made
> a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but
will
> admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time,
so
> I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
> believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
> that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
> ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when
Francis
> Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
> documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris
Wynne-Riley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Neat!
>
> Everton Publishing has new owners
> The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
> Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and management, a
> major reorganization, and public access to the vast, previously
> unavailable Everton Genealogical Library. Logan, Utah, September 25,
> 2004 - The November/December
> 2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very
> important step for the new management and ownership of a company
that
> has long been an icon and leader within the genealogical community.
It
> will give us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to
> provide genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible
> educational information, materials and programs, the most
> comprehensive and technologically advanced research methods,
databases
> and resources, and a wide range of options to memorialize or publish
> research results.
> We are a team of experienced genealogists and
> publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and
> earning a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide
> invaluable, decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts.
In
> order to earn this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the
> revitalized Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new
> Everton will offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on
> everything and more, that we promise.
> For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
> honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for
and
> not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish
> each and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
> The Genealogical Helper will provide all the
> educational content, features and sources of the magazine when it
was
> the most popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly
> Hansen will return as Editor. There will be regular features on the
> latest in research technology and resources, the content and public
> access to the 60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and
> in-depth articles from our readers, as well as professional
> genealogists. We will expand the book review section and continuing
> education will once again be emphasized. And please - we welcome the
> suggestions of our readers regarding the content and format of the
> Genealogical Helper.
> Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
> that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts,
manuscripts,
> periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library,
will
> for the first time be available as part of a public library
resource.
> The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
> donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System.
> The Library will be open and available to the public within a year,
> and through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library
> will be available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place,
> there will be options for remote access to this invaluable
collection.
> We will also hold regular conferences and workshops that will
revolve
> around the Library.
> As for other products and services, The Handybook for
> Genealogists, 11th Edition will be published within the next 12
months
> and will be the most extensively revised edition in years. Stay
tuned
> for more information on updates and new features. We will also offer
a
> wide range of publishing options to both genealogical associations
and
> individuals interested in acquiring reprints of prized publications,
> or publishing original editions or revisions of family or area
> genealogical histories.
> We encourage the genealogical community and all those
> with an interest in researching and preserving family history to
send
> Everton Publishing Company their comments, via phone or letter. Call
> and ask about any of our publications, products and services, or the
> Library. We want your thoughts and suggestions. We want to hear from
> as many of you as possible. Again, we are dedicated to providing
every
> family history researcher and the genealogical industry with exactly
> what they need.
> Sincerely,
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> President & Publisher
>
>
>
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05/05/2005 8:17:30
RE: Neat!
JLP
I fully agree with Mike's interpretation on this one. In those days
"in-law" meant literally that - a relationship defined by marriage,
i.e., IN LAW. Or said another way it referred to a male relationship
who was not directly related by blood in the younger generation. Step
son was the most common usage of "son-in-law" in my experience, but
I've also seen it used (infrequently, and maybe even improperly) for a
nephew. But I don't think there were any hard rules here. As often
as not (and I can't explain the logic in light of my preceding
25-cents-worth definition) a true "son-in-law" (as we now define it)
was often referred to as "son" until somewhat later in time.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:09 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Neat!
As to whether son-in-law meant "step-son," the following is another
example.
George Pace, son of Richard and Isabel Pace, became William Perry's
step-son
after Perry married Isabel Pace...........Mike
05/05/2005 8:35:24
Re: Neat!
Michael Tutor
From the "for what it's worth department:"
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William Stainback
to be ye Deviders of my Estate......(John Poythress' 1712 Will).......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: Neat!
> Ahso! Now at least I understand the question, even if I don't have
> many (or any) answers...
>
> I have seen various authors state that Francis Poythress died "ca.
> 1650" and "BEFORE 1661." So it appears that unless some new document
> miraculously comes to light the date of his death is going to remain
> fuzzy as between circa 1650 and 1660.
>
> No, I have no information on Thomas Poythress's birth date. I was
> getting real excited when I was reading into your earlier message that
> you might be talking about him, and might have a date of birth date
> for him.
>
> On the issue of the older man - younger woman - older man, consider
> this... I would guess that Mary, widow of Francis, was considerably
> younger than Francis. We at least know that she was still of
> child-bearing age when Francis died, and that - I would guess - might
> make her 20 years or more younger than Francis. Thus, she might have
> been nearly the same age as Robert Wynne.
>
> No, I know of no other instance of a much older woman marrying a
> younger man in the Poythress family, but in my study of over 200
> families, I have definitely come across instances of such liaisons
> among other families (unfortunately I cannot cite one right now, but
> for some reason the cases I do remember came from Virginia among the
> "upper set.") It did happen, but it was not a common occurrence.
>
> Would Mary name a Wynne son Thomas when she had a Poythress son of
> that name? It is possible. First of all, we don't know when Thomas
> Poythress died, or what became of him. He might have died very young
> then. There are plenty of instances in genealogy of families
> "recycling" names, particularly important ones. And in this case, if
> it did happen, the new Thomas was a Thomas WYNNE, which would
> distinguish him from a Thomas POYTHRESS. So this appears to be
> another of those fuzzys - not highly likely, but not impossible or
> unheard of either.
>
> I still may be missing something but it seems to me that if you,
> yourself, have seen the deposition that a Thomas Wynne made in 1707
> stating his age as 50 years old, then he must have been born ca.
> 1656-1658 (allowing a little room for sloppiness). So then the real
> issue has to be: was Thomas Wynne the son of Mary? If Thomas was the
> son of Mary, then it would of course mean that Robert Wynne and Mary,
> widow of Francis, were married about a year before Thomas' birth,
> meaning, in turn, that Francis Poythress died before this date. BUT
> if Robert Wynne had a first wife who died in the childbirth of Thomas,
> then it could very well mean that Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress were
> married somewhat later. Isn't that really the crux of the issue,
> i.e., who was the mother of Thomas Wynne? I sure don't have an answer
> to that one! And yes, I think I understand what Dr. Hall's reasoning
> might be, but only if one assumes that, indeed, Thomas was the son of
> Mary - which may not be a valid assumption.
>
> Best I can do for now...
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
> Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I
> will attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
> (1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
> 1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not referring
> to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas Poythress
> was born?
> HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary Poythress youngest
> son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any sense, if indeed
> Mary was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would name two of her
> sons "Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
> (2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
> based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
> more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I have
> not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document
> who married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your
> early Poythress line?
> (3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously,
> I was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne standpoint
> and, right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly
> document any children that could have resulted from such a marriage.
> I fully accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of
> Francis Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I have
> seen, that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF she
> was the same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas
> Wynne. I need more evidence. As far as I can determine, all we know
> now about the year that Francis Poythress I could have died is that it
> was after 1651. I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis
> I) sons referred to Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers" but
> this could have easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert
> Wynne's will he referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law"
> which some claim also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly convinced
> about this either).
> (4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
> Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking over
> some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr.
> Cocke to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his wife
> Agnes deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary
> Malone and also of the same county some property to their son Robert.
> Hall suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests
> Robert's son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have m.
> Col. Robert Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this
> reasoning, can you?
>
> (5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this
> is the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived (Albemarle
> Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
> County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were
> originally in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co. This
> happened in a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince
> George Co., Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I hope
> I have answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
> Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the only
> one, I'll address this to the list.
>
> You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he was
> 30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work for
> me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should be
> "50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you referring
> to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
> you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not heard
> of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
> the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
> until the conception of Thomas was possible.
>
> I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
> close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
> PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
> early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
> marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
> younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
> that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the women
> were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
>
> And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
> article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
> that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
> children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
> suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
>
> But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests it
> might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
> property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
> this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost at
> this point...
>
> Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
> issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
>
> Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
> obvious, but I truly do not understand.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
> Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
> Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
> on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis was
> older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
> supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
> correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as Francis?
> The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have known
> for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
> 30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
> been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a daughter
> named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and had
> a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had a
> former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my
> mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
> based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where
> is the connection?
> I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
> when they would let you browse through all of their records at your
> own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now.
> Maybe so. I copied all
> Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
> The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
> page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
> and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made
> a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
> admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so
> I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
> believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
> that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
> ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when Francis
> Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
> documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Neat!
>
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05/05/2005 8:59:47
Re: Neat!
Michael Tutor
As to whether son-in-law meant "step-son," the following is another example.
George Pace, son of Richard and Isabel Pace, became William Perry's step-son
after Perry married Isabel Pace...........Mike
I the said ffrancis West doe with the consent of the Councell of State give
and grant unto Georg Pace Sonn and heire apparent to Richard Pace deceased
and to his heires and assignes for ever as his first devident and upon a
second devision to bee augmented & doubled to him his said heires and
assignes when he or they shall sufficiently have peopled and planted the
same fower hundred acres of land scituate and being within the Corporation
of James Citty on the southerne side of the river at the plantation called
Paces paines and formerly granted unto Richard Pace his ffather deceased by
Pattent from Sr. Georg Yeardley Kt. then Governor and Capt. General of
Virginia bearing date the fifth day of December Anno Domini 1620. The said
fower hundred acres abutting westerly on the land of his Mother Isabella
Perry and easterly on the land of ffrancis Chapman now in the tenure and
occupacon of William Perry gent, his ffather in law, northerly on the maine
river and southerly striking up into the maine woods.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Neat!
> Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I will
> attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
> (1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
> 1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not referring
> to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas Poythress
> was born?
> HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary Poythress youngest
> son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any sense, if indeed Mary
> was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would name two of her sons
> "Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
> (2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
> based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
> more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I have
> not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document who
> married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your early
> Poythress line?
> (3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously, I
> was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne standpoint and,
> right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly document
> any children that could have resulted from such a marriage. I fully
> accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of Francis
> Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I have seen,
> that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF she was the
> same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas Wynne. I need
> more evidence.
> As far as I can determine, all we know now about the year that Francis
> Poythress I could have died is that it was after 1651.
> I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis I) sons referred to
> Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers" but this could have
> easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert Wynne's will he
> referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law" which some claim
> also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly convinced about this
> either).
> (4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
> Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking over
> some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr. Cocke
> to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his wife Agnes
> deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary Malone
> and also of the same county some property to their son Robert. Hall
> suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests Robert's
> son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have m. Col. Robert
> Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this reasoning, can you?
>
> (5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this is
> the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived (Albemarle
> Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
> County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were originally
> in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co. This happened in
> a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince George Co.,
> Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I hope I have
> answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
> Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the only
> one, I'll address this to the list.
>
> You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he was
> 30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work for
> me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should be
> "50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you referring
> to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
> you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not heard
> of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
> the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
> until the conception of Thomas was possible.
>
> I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
> close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
> PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
> early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
> marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
> younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
> that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the women
> were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
>
> And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
> article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
> that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
> children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
> suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
>
> But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests it
> might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes deeding
> property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
> this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost at
> this point...
>
> Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
> issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
>
> Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
> obvious, but I truly do not understand.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
> Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
> Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
> on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis was
> older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
> supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
> correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as Francis?
> The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have known
> for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
> 30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
> been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a daughter
> named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and had
> a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had a
> former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in my
> mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
> based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where
> is the connection?
> I have been to the court houses in Sussex and Surry about 25 years ago
> when they would let you browse through all of their records at your
> own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they would do that now.
> Maybe so. I copied all
> Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that time.
> The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a several
> page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne deeds
> and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have made
> a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but will
> admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time, so
> I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
> believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
> that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
> ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when Francis
> Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
> documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Neat!
>
> Everton Publishing has new owners
> The following is an announcement from Everton Publishing Company:
> Everton Publishing Company announces new ownership and
> management, a major reorganization, and public access to the vast,
> previously unavailable Everton Genealogical Library.
> Logan, Utah, September 25, 2004 - The
> November/December
> 2004 issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper represents a very
> important step for the new management and ownership of a company that
> has long been an icon and leader within the genealogical community. It
> will give us a chance to demonstrate our resolute commitment to
> provide genealogists with the absolute finest in quality, accessible
> educational information, materials and programs, the most
> comprehensive and technologically advanced research methods, databases
> and resources, and a wide range of options to memorialize or publish
> research results.
> We are a team of experienced genealogists and
> publishers, dedicated to revitalizing the Everton tradition and
> earning a reputation as a company that can be trusted to provide
> invaluable, decisive assistance with genealogical research efforts. In
> order to earn this trust and confidence, the inaugural issue of the
> revitalized Genealogical Helper will offer a preview of what the new
> Everton will offer - and then we will prove that we will deliver on
> everything and more, that we promise.
> For our valued subscribers, be assured that we will
> honor each and every issue of the magazine that has been paid for and
> not received. For our valued advertisers, we will honor and publish
> each and every ad that has been paid for but has yet to appear.
> The Genealogical Helper will provide all the
> educational content, features and sources of the magazine when it was
> the most popular, widely read publication in the industry. Holly
> Hansen will return as Editor. There will be regular features on the
> latest in research technology and resources, the content and public
> access to the 60,000+ volume Everton Genealogical Library, and
> in-depth articles from our readers, as well as professional
> genealogists. We will expand the book review section and continuing
> education will once again be emphasized. And please - we welcome the
> suggestions of our readers regarding the content and format of the
> Genealogical Helper.
> Perhaps the most exciting announcement we can make is
> that the content of the 60,000+ volumes, pedigree charts, manuscripts,
> periodicals, etc., contained in the Everton Genealogical Library, will
> for the first time be available as part of a public library resource.
> The new owners of Everton are primarily responsible for securing the
> donation of the Everton Library to the City of Logan Library System.
> The Library will be open and available to the public within a year,
> and through Everton Publishing Company the contents of the Library
> will be available online. Until the necessary scanning takes place,
> there will be options for remote access to this invaluable collection.
> We will also hold regular conferences and workshops that will revolve
> around the Library.
> As for other products and services, The Handybook for
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05/05/2005 9:08:45
Re: Neat!
Michael Tutor
Cousin was also used in lieu of nephew/uncle. Evidently this stemmed from
the fact that with many men having two different wives (due to child bearing
deaths, etc.), one wife much older than the other, many children were, in
fact, older than their "uncles," and thus became referred to as
"cousins."...........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: Neat!
>I fully agree with Mike's interpretation on this one. In those days
> "in-law" meant literally that - a relationship defined by marriage,
> i.e., IN LAW. Or said another way it referred to a male relationship
> who was not directly related by blood in the younger generation. Step
> son was the most common usage of "son-in-law" in my experience, but
> I've also seen it used (infrequently, and maybe even improperly) for a
> nephew. But I don't think there were any hard rules here. As often
> as not (and I can't explain the logic in light of my preceding
> 25-cents-worth definition) a true "son-in-law" (as we now define it)
> was often referred to as "son" until somewhat later in time.
>
> Lou
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: Neat!
>
>
> As to whether son-in-law meant "step-son," the following is another
> example.
> George Pace, son of Richard and Isabel Pace, became William Perry's
> step-son
> after Perry married Isabel Pace...........Mike
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05/05/2005 10:34:48
Re: Neat!
Michael Tutor
Att a Co'rt holden att mercht hope 10br: 3rd: 1658. p. 162. Capt. Jo:
Woodleife and Mr. Geo. Potter app. to examine dif betw. Capt. Robt. Wynne
for the est. of Mr. John Sloeman dec'd and Mr. ffrancis Epes and Mr. Tho:
Epes and report to next court.
Do you know whether or not Thomas Wynne (c. 1657-1717) named one of his sons
Sloman Wynne?............Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Neat!
> Mike, it is very tempting to jump on something like that and shout
> "Aha! Eureka! This proves that Thomas and Joshua are [full]
> brothers!" And it very well may turn out that is the case. But they
> frequently used those words of relationship very loosely in those
> days, so I'd advise caution in making the obvious interpretation.
> I've DEFINITELY seen a brother-in-law referred to as simply "brother"
> in some records. And I've seen examples of half-brothers being
> referred to as simply "brother" in some others. What we can be sure
> of is that they were related somehow.
>
> As they say on the cable news - fair and balanced: in the "for what
> it's worth department."
>
> Lou
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:00 PM
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>
>
> From the "for what it's worth department:"
>
> Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
> Stainback
> to be ye Deviders of my Estate......(John Poythress' 1712
> Will).......Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JLP"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Neat!
>
>
>> Ahso! Now at least I understand the question, even if I don't have
>> many (or any) answers...
>>
>> I have seen various authors state that Francis Poythress died "ca.
>> 1650" and "BEFORE 1661." So it appears that unless some new
> document
>> miraculously comes to light the date of his death is going to remain
>
>> fuzzy as between circa 1650 and 1660.
>>
>> No, I have no information on Thomas Poythress's birth date. I was
>> getting real excited when I was reading into your earlier message
> that
>> you might be talking about him, and might have a date of birth date
>> for him.
>>
>> On the issue of the older man - younger woman - older man, consider
>> this... I would guess that Mary, widow of Francis, was considerably
>
>> younger than Francis. We at least know that she was still of
>> child-bearing age when Francis died, and that - I would guess -
> might
>> make her 20 years or more younger than Francis. Thus, she might
> have
>> been nearly the same age as Robert Wynne.
>>
>> No, I know of no other instance of a much older woman marrying a
>> younger man in the Poythress family, but in my study of over 200
>> families, I have definitely come across instances of such liaisons
>> among other families (unfortunately I cannot cite one right now, but
>
>> for some reason the cases I do remember came from Virginia among the
>
>> "upper set.") It did happen, but it was not a common occurrence.
>>
>> Would Mary name a Wynne son Thomas when she had a Poythress son of
>> that name? It is possible. First of all, we don't know when Thomas
>
>> Poythress died, or what became of him. He might have died very
> young
>> then. There are plenty of instances in genealogy of families
>> "recycling" names, particularly important ones. And in this case,
> if
>> it did happen, the new Thomas was a Thomas WYNNE, which would
>> distinguish him from a Thomas POYTHRESS. So this appears to be
>> another of those fuzzys - not highly likely, but not impossible or
>> unheard of either.
>>
>> I still may be missing something but it seems to me that if you,
>> yourself, have seen the deposition that a Thomas Wynne made in 1707
>> stating his age as 50 years old, then he must have been born ca.
>> 1656-1658 (allowing a little room for sloppiness). So then the real
>
>> issue has to be: was Thomas Wynne the son of Mary? If Thomas was
> the
>> son of Mary, then it would of course mean that Robert Wynne and
> Mary,
>> widow of Francis, were married about a year before Thomas' birth,
>> meaning, in turn, that Francis Poythress died before this date. BUT
>
>> if Robert Wynne had a first wife who died in the childbirth of
> Thomas,
>> then it could very well mean that Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
> were
>> married somewhat later. Isn't that really the crux of the issue,
>> i.e., who was the mother of Thomas Wynne? I sure don't have an
> answer
>> to that one! And yes, I think I understand what Dr. Hall's
> reasoning
>> might be, but only if one assumes that, indeed, Thomas was the son
> of
>> Mary - which may not be a valid assumption.
>>
>> Best I can do for now...
>>
>> Lou
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:35 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: Neat!
>>
>>
>> Lou, a thousand apologies for any confusion I might have caused! I
>> will attempt to clarify what I said as addressed in your response.
>> (1) I made a typo error in referring to Thomas Wynne's deposition in
>
>> 1707. He gave his age as 50 years - NOT 30 years. I was not
> referring
>> to Thomas Poythress. Incidentally, do you know when Thomas
> Poythress
>> was born? HERE IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: If Francis and Mary
>> Poythress youngest son was named Thomas Poythress, would it make any
>
>> sense, if indeed Mary was the mother of Thomas Wynne, that she would
>
>> name two of her sons "Thomas"--it doesn't sound very likely--
>> (2) I did not mean to infer that I was making any firm conclusions
>> based on Robert Wynne marrying an older woman - it would just be one
>> more bit of undocumented evidence to take into consideration. I
> have
>> not found anyone in my early Virginia Wynne line that I can document
>> who married an older woman. Have you found this anywhere in your
>> early Poythress line?
>> (3) You ask "where this would lead us"? As I mentioned previously,
>> I was addressing the Wynne-Poythress marriage from a Wynne
> standpoint
>> and, right now, I am looking for just anything that would properly
>> document any children that could have resulted from such a marriage.
>> I fully accept that Robert Wynne married Mary Poythress, widow of
>> Francis Poythress but I DO NOT accept, based on the information I
> have
>> seen, that Mary Poythress, who appears to be an "older woman",(IF
> she
>> was the same age as Francis Poythress), was the mother of Thomas
>> Wynne. I need more evidence. As far as I can determine, all we know
>> now about the year that Francis Poythress I could have died is that
> it
>> was after 1651. I know that one of Mary Poythress' (widow of Francis
>> I) sons referred to Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne as "my brothers"
> but
>> this could have easily meant "step-brother", just as in Col. Robert
>> Wynne's will he referred to Francis Poythress II as his "son-in-law"
>> which some claim also meant "step-son" (I'm still not firmly
> convinced
>> about this either).
>> (4) I am assuming you did not see the original message from John
>> Poythress re Dr. Hall so I am quoting it verbatim : "In looking
> over
>> some of Dr. Hall's voluminous correspondence, he is writing a Mr.
>> Cocke to the effect that Thomas Wynne was age 50 when he and his
> wife
>> Agnes deeded property in 1708 in Surry County to their daughter Mary
>> Malone and also of the same county some property to their son
> Robert.
>> Hall suggests it might fix the date of Francis' death...it suggests
>> Robert's son Thomas Wynne was b. 1658 so Francis' widow would have
> m.
>> Col. Robert Wynne 1657 or before." I could not understand this
>> reasoning, can you?
>>
>> (5) Lastly, the importance of the Sussex County records is that this
>
>> is the area in which Thomas Wynne and his descendants lived
> (Albemarle
>> Parish). This part of Sussex County was originally a part of Surry
>> County so actually, Thomas Wynne owned properties which were
>> originally in Surry but later the same property was in Sussex Co.
> This
>> happened in a number of counties, i.e., Charles City Co., Prince
>> George Co., Dinwiddie Co., etc. Thank you for your questions; I
> hope
>> I have answered them. If not, please let me know. Deloris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:32 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: Neat!
>>
>> Deloris, I'm more than a little lost... And in case I'm not the
> only
>> one, I'll address this to the list.
>>
>> You state that "Thomas" gave a deposition in 1707, stating that he
> was
>> 30, making his date of birth (circa) 1657. That math doesn't work
> for
>> me. I'm presuming that the error is in the age and that it should
> be
>> "50" vs. "30." Is that correct? And what "Thomas" are you
> referring
>> to? I'm guessing that you mean Thomas, youngest son of Francis. Do
>
>> you have this deposition, or know where I can find it? I've not
> heard
>> of this before, so it would certainly force us to either reconsider
>> the parentage of Thomas, or else to "bump up" Francis' death date
>> until the conception of Thomas was possible.
>>
>> I agree with you that the most likely age of Mary would be something
>
>> close to the age of Francis, but this is not a strong enough
>> PROBABILITY to draw firm conclusions. Given the situation in the
>> early colonies there are any number of examples of much older men
>> marrying much younger wives (the most likely scenario), but also of
>> younger men marrying older wives (less likely, but it did happen in
>> that age when women were at a "premium" - and especially if the
> women
>> were wealthy). But where is this leading us?
>>
>> And then I really get lost... Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., in his
>> article published in "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, states
>
>> that Mary, widow of Francis, married Capt. Robert Wynne, and had
>> children by him. Can you explain to me better what you are
>> suggesting, or what is bothering you re this relationship?
>>
>> But where I really lose the fox is when you said "Dr. Hall suggests
> it
>> might fix the date of Francis death, based on Thomas and Agnes
> deeding
>> property in 1708 in Surry Co. Where is the connection?" Where is
>> this stated, who is Dr. Hall, etc., etc.? I admit I'm totally lost
> at
>> this point...
>>
>> Last, I don't understand the significance of Sussex records to this
>> issue (Surry, yes, and Prince George, and Charles City).
>>
>> Please forgive me if I'm just being dense here, or missing the
>> obvious, but I truly do not understand.
>>
>> Lou Poole
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:56 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: Neat!
>>
>>
>> Glad to know there are other people out there researching Francis
>> Poythress I's death date, or approximate death date. Here is my take
>
>> on it, based on a Wynne Family point of view: Apparently, Francis
> was
>> older than Robert Wynne (christened in 1622) since Francis was
>> supposed to have been in Virginia in the early 1630's; is that
>> correct? Would you not think Mary was about the same age as
> Francis?
>> The latest documented info on Francis I is 30 Sept. 1651. I have
> known
>> for many years that Thomas gave a deposition in 1707 that he was age
>
>> 30, so he was born in 1657. In 1657, Col. Robert Wynne would have
>> been 35 years old and he had an older son, named Robert and a
> daughter
>> named Mary, who was probably also older since she was married and
> had
>> a child when Robert died. This would suggest to me that Robert had
> a
>> former wife, but I have no proof. HOWEVER, I can not associate, in
> my
>> mind, how Dr. Hall "suggests it might fix the date of Francis death,
>
>> based on Thomas and Agnes deeding property in 1708 in Surry Co.
> Where
>> is the connection? I have been to the court houses in Sussex and
> Surry
>> about 25 years ago when they would let you browse through all of
> their
>> records at your own discretion. I doubt very seriously if they
> would
>> do that now. Maybe so. I copied all
>> Wynne records but did not research the Poythress family at that
> time.
>> The county clerk in Sussex Co., Marion Ridley, even sent me a
> several
>> page, handwritten document, legal size, which included all Wynne
> deeds
>> and marriages for Sussex Co. I treasure this immensely. I have
> made
>> a couple of trips to Richmond and searched the records there, but
> will
>> admit, it was much more difficult and took a great deal more time,
> so
>> I feel sure I did not find everything that was available. I still
>> believe the Court House is the best place to go. I am not ruling out
>> that Mary Poythress could have been Robert Wynne's first wife, but
>> ages do not fit the usual pattern and we still don't know when
> Francis
>> Poythress died and, at this point in time, I feel we still need more
>> documentation. How do you feel about my thoughts? Deloris
> Wynne-Riley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:55 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Neat!
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05/05/2005 10:44:23
RE: A HA!
John M. Poythress
Ruth....Hi....great to hear from you. I've got a bunch of Reddick
kinfolks down in Screven.
I'll also give you all I have on the lady we refer to as
MEAPDO.....Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odum. And for my
money, she is indeed a mysterious lady....or at least her origins are.
Unfortunately, this is the first weekend in May, I live in Louisville,
KY and we have a little hoss race up here that attracts a blue million
people and it seems like half of them are staying with me.
I'll be happy to get back to you first of week. Looking forward to it.
Best,
John
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: RuthRGA@aol.com [mailto:RuthRGA@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: A HA!
In a message dated 5/5/2005 10:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
. once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
"Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common
today
and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
I have just recently begun receiving these Poythress e-mails, and was
especially interested in the reference to Thomas Poythress and wife
Martha/Patsy in
Burke County, GA. Their daughter, Elizabeth, married (2nd) Laban Odom,
and
these latter two were my gr-gr-grandparents. I grew up in Burke County
and
have much information on the Odom family, but little on the Poythress
line
there. I would be most grateful for any help with this line - parents
of
Thomas, etc., and any suggested sources for documentation.
With much appreciation to all the Poythress researchers who
generously
share their findings,
Ruth Odom Reddick - Georgia
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RE: A HA!
JLP
Here's a couple of sites that give common (and uncommon) nicknames:
"Molly" and "Polly" are indeed nicknames for "Mary." "Patsy" for
"Martha." "Sally" for "Sarah", etc. But notice that it's not always
a one-for-one correlation. And sometimes the seeming nickname is the
actual name.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:37 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: A HA!
Mary and Molly seem to have been interchangeable as well as Martha
and
Patsy......My g-g-g grandmother was called by both names.
Is there any relationship between the Odium/Odom name?......Mike
Abraham Odium and his wife petitioned the Court of Charles City -
"that John
Peterson, lately dec'd., sometime before his death, declared it to be
his
desire that the said Odium should have the management and tuition of
his
children and their estate; therefore, he, the said Odium, prays
commission
of administration may be granted unto him -- he giving security that
the
mill and plantation be kept in good repair and order, the mill to be
kept at
work for the benefit of the orphans, and that the said Odium bring in
a true
and perfect inventory of the said estate at the next court..." "The
relationship of Odium to John Peterson is not known. An Abraham Odium
is
listed in the rent rolls of Nansemond Co. in 1704.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: A HA!
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2005 10:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> . once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection
with
> "Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common
> today and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress'
> wife Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the
> connection.
>
>
>
> I have just recently begun receiving these Poythress e-mails, and
was
> especially interested in the reference to Thomas Poythress and wife
> Martha/Patsy in Burke County, GA. Their daughter, Elizabeth,
married
> (2nd) Laban Odom, and
> these latter two were my gr-gr-grandparents. I grew up in Burke
County
> and
> have much information on the Odom family, but little on the
Poythress
> line
> there. I would be most grateful for any help with this line -
parents of
> Thomas, etc., and any suggested sources for documentation.
> With much appreciation to all the Poythress researchers who
> generously
> share their findings,
> Ruth Odom Reddick - Georgia
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05/06/2005 9:15:59
Re: A HA!
Michael Tutor
Mary and Molly seem to have been interchangeable as well as Martha and
Patsy......My g-g-g grandmother was called by both names.
Is there any relationship between the Odium/Odom name?......Mike
Abraham Odium and his wife petitioned the Court of Charles City - "that John
Peterson, lately dec'd., sometime before his death, declared it to be his
desire that the said Odium should have the management and tuition of his
children and their estate; therefore, he, the said Odium, prays commission
of administration may be granted unto him -- he giving security that the
mill and plantation be kept in good repair and order, the mill to be kept at
work for the benefit of the orphans, and that the said Odium bring in a true
and perfect inventory of the said estate at the next court..." "The
relationship of Odium to John Peterson is not known. An Abraham Odium is
listed in the rent rolls of Nansemond Co. in 1704.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: A HA!
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2005 10:14:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> brerfox@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> . once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
> "Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common today
> and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
> Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
>
>
>
> I have just recently begun receiving these Poythress e-mails, and was
> especially interested in the reference to Thomas Poythress and wife
> Martha/Patsy in
> Burke County, GA. Their daughter, Elizabeth, married (2nd) Laban Odom,
> and
> these latter two were my gr-gr-grandparents. I grew up in Burke County
> and
> have much information on the Odom family, but little on the Poythress
> line
> there. I would be most grateful for any help with this line - parents of
> Thomas, etc., and any suggested sources for documentation.
> With much appreciation to all the Poythress researchers who
> generously
> share their findings,
> Ruth Odom Reddick - Georgia
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
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>
05/06/2005 9:36:54
Re: A HA!
Michael Tutor
And Susannah Poythress was the daughter of Robert and Elizabeth
Poythress?.........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: A HA!
> The probable source of Dr. William B. Hall's abiding interest in
> Poythress history...about which he wrote in such quantity in the
> mid-30's:
>
> "The sketch of James Alfred Jones published in "Eminent Representatives
> of Virginia and the District of Columbia" (1893) states that Dr. Robert
> Hall's grandfather was one of the first colonists of Flowerdeiu (sic)
> Hundred, a settlement on the James River.
> He married a Quakeress, Martha Pleasants. His son William Hall, father
> of Dr. Robert Hall, married Susanna Poythress, and a daughter Patsy (or
> Martha) married Benjamin Waller of Williamsburg. Robert Tignall Jones,
> brother of James Alfred Jones, was Colonel of an Alabama regiment and
> was killed in the War for Southern Independence." (See also William &
> Mary Quarterly, XIII, p. 143) Source: Tyler's Quarterly Magazine, Vol.
> 6, p. 46.
>
> Also suggests a couple of other items of peripheral and sometime
> interest:
>
> . How Dr. Hall came to be living in Selma, AL in his retirement and
> active writing years.
>
> . once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
> "Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common today
> and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
> Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
>
> Interesting I thought.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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>
>
05/06/2005 9:43:15
Re: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
koswcartist
Hooray. Glad to get it dated correctly. When my grandpa who is one of those
in the pic showed it to me he was in his mid 70s and I am sure some dates
eluded his mind at that time. Patti
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On Poythress Website
> Hello to all. I received and email from a cousin who also has a copy of
the
> James Speed Poythress Photo that is on this website. The date she has for
that
> photo is: Thanksgiving Day, November 29th 1906. My Aunt Nedra had the
date
> on the copy she had of that photo, which I am sure came from my
grandfather
> Carl, since everything was handed down to her when he passed away. I
thought
> my grandfather looked younger than he would have, if the photo was taken
at
> his wedding in 1917. He was 33 when he married my grandmother. If this
photo
> was taken in 1906 he would have been 22.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
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05/07/2005 1:00:24
Francis
John M. Poythress
I went fishing on the Northumberland board with the below. Have not hit
paydirt yet and that's no particular surprise; I get the impression
(wrongly I hope) that that board is not very active. Did get one email
with interesting comments from a Sandy Rowe which follows my post:
Francis Poythress or Poythres or Poythers:
was Burgess for Charles City County 3 Nov 1647 and it appears that
likely on the following March Lt. Fra: Poythres was ordered by the
governor to take 60 men under his command and "his" superior was Capt.
Henry Fleet. They were to either make a peace with the Indians between
the Rappahannock and the Potomack or build a fort there. Likely they
debarked (or maybe crossed) the Rappahannock at Nanzatico Bay..since a
"that era" Poythress Creek (now Jett Creek as I recall) emptied into the
river from the east about a half mile or so downstream (there is no
record of any Poythresses being that far north except this instance so
I'm speculating that this is how the creek was named).
I believe that this activity somewhat coincides with the "naming" or
Northumberland County even if not the founding.
Francis apparently decides to stay (or has it decided for him but there
is no record of that).
On 31 July 1648 he binds himself to a Tho: Boys to find Boys a 4 or 5
year indentured man servant by February in exchange for 40 lbs. Beaver
(pelts). Wit: John Hiller, Tho Baker. (Northumberland records
1653-1657[?]).
On 10 October 1649: Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th Day
of October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening's Statues,
Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was beheaded 30th of January,
1649. From that point, the Commonwealth in England commenced and
continued with modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in 1660.
Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly: Northumberland : Capt.
Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward Hill,
Charles Sparrow. Roughly simultaneously, the Grand Assembly "granted
amnesty" authorizing Capt. Francis Poythers to collect taxes in
Northumberland. (Hening's I, p. 352)
Francis Poythers-Poythres-Poythress makes his last appearance of record
to my knowledge participating in a payment from the Northumberland
estate of one Mr. Snedgraves 20 Sep 1651 (N. Co. Records, Book 14, p. 9)
In April 1661, a Charles City County court awards one of Francis' grants
to his son John using the term "Capt. ffrancis Poythers, d'ced." It's
ONLY a faint inference that he never returned to Charles City County.
Questions:
1) even if he was appointed as a Northumberland Burgess
instead of elected (and that's not clear), wouldn't he have been
required to be a property holder to become a Burgess? And are there any
extant N. Co. deed books where that might be found?
2) anyone happen to have this man in a N. county record
later than 20 Sep 1651? Or any record of his death?
Many thanks. And I have most of the "Grand Assemblie" language ordering
this Northumberland expedition if anyone would like me to share all the
quotations.
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: WLSRowe@aol.com [mailto:WLSRowe@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Francis Poythress...
AS for Poythress, I have always thought that a southside
name. Interesting. A few thoughts, only one of which might possibly
help you.
1. I think most of the Northern Neck, if not all, prior
to 1650/51 or so was Northumberland County. You will be pleasantly
surprised to find open to public use with easy access record books from,
I believe, day one. They are in the clerk's office of Northumberland
Circuit Court in Heathsville.
2. As a person focused on the southside for many years
previously, I had originally thought that the Northern Neck must have
been settled from Jamestown and Charles Cittie County. Not so. My own
research has confirmed what the history books tried to tell me: it was
very easy for the Marylanders to cross the Potomac River, and they did
so often. Many of my collateral family roots appear to be in Charles
County --Md. St. Mary's Md. too.
3. One example is Hugh Lee. We had placed our Lee
roots in Southside, Va., tracing them from Charles City to Prince
George. Then someone found Hugh, Sr. lurking in Northumberland County
where he was a justice in 1650. He married a woman from Maryland,
returned to Northumberland, and then appears to show up in Surry County
-- either him or his son by the same name. Beyond his marriage, I have
not yet tried to trace his various Md. connections.
I give you all of this just in case you might find Adam,
the first immigrant, Poythress in the Northern Neck before he, like Hugh
Lee, went south of the James. No proof. Just a possibility.
Sandy Rowe
05/07/2005 8:52:51
RE: Francis
JLP
Maynard (and all): You know, I think I'd like to take on the project
of collecting all the abstracted and published Northumberland Co.
records that might name Francis Poythress. I think our Dallas library
has all of the published books so it shouldn't be too bad. I can't
get started on this until next week, and it's likely to take a couple
of weeks to finish it. From the abstracts we can be more selective
about original records that might be more interesting...
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:53 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis
I went fishing on the Northumberland board with the below. Have not
hit paydirt yet and that's no particular surprise; I get the
impression (wrongly I hope) that that board is not very active. Did
get one email with interesting comments from a Sandy Rowe which
follows my post:
Francis Poythress or Poythres or Poythers:
was Burgess for Charles City County 3 Nov 1647 and it appears that
likely on the following March Lt. Fra: Poythres was ordered by the
governor to take 60 men under his command and "his" superior was Capt.
Henry Fleet. They were to either make a peace with the Indians
between the Rappahannock and the Potomack or build a fort there.
Likely they debarked (or maybe crossed) the Rappahannock at Nanzatico
Bay..since a "that era" Poythress Creek (now Jett Creek as I recall)
emptied into the river from the east about a half mile or so
downstream (there is no record of any Poythresses being that far north
except this instance so I'm speculating that this is how the creek was
named).
I believe that this activity somewhat coincides with the "naming" or
Northumberland County even if not the founding.
Francis apparently decides to stay (or has it decided for him but
there is no record of that).
On 31 July 1648 he binds himself to a Tho: Boys to find Boys a 4 or 5
year indentured man servant by February in exchange for 40 lbs. Beaver
(pelts). Wit: John Hiller, Tho Baker. (Northumberland records
1653-1657[?]).
On 10 October 1649: Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th
Day of October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening's
Statues, Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was beheaded 30th of
January, 1649. From that point, the Commonwealth in England commenced
and continued with modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in
1660. Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly: Northumberland
: Capt. Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward
Hill, Charles Sparrow. Roughly simultaneously, the Grand Assembly
"granted amnesty" authorizing Capt. Francis Poythers to collect taxes
in Northumberland. (Hening's I, p. 352)
Francis Poythers-Poythres-Poythress makes his last appearance of
record to my knowledge participating in a payment from the
Northumberland estate of one Mr. Snedgraves 20 Sep 1651 (N. Co.
Records, Book 14, p. 9)
In April 1661, a Charles City County court awards one of Francis'
grants
to his son John using the term "Capt. ffrancis Poythers, d'ced."
It's
ONLY a faint inference that he never returned to Charles City County.
Questions:
1) even if he was appointed as a Northumberland Burgess
instead of elected (and that's not clear), wouldn't he have been
required to be a property holder to become a Burgess? And are there
any extant N. Co. deed books where that might be found?
2) anyone happen to have this man in a N. county record
later than 20 Sep 1651? Or any record of his death?
Many thanks. And I have most of the "Grand Assemblie" language
ordering this Northumberland expedition if anyone would like me to
share all the quotations.
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: WLSRowe@aol.com [mailto:WLSRowe@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Francis Poythress...
AS for Poythress, I have always thought that a
southside name. Interesting. A few thoughts, only one of which might
possibly help you.
1. I think most of the Northern Neck, if not all,
prior
to 1650/51 or so was Northumberland County. You will be pleasantly
surprised to find open to public use with easy access record books
from, I believe, day one. They are in the clerk's office of
Northumberland Circuit Court in Heathsville.
2. As a person focused on the southside for many
years previously, I had originally thought that the Northern Neck must
have been settled from Jamestown and Charles Cittie County. Not so.
My own research has confirmed what the history books tried to tell me:
it was very easy for the Marylanders to cross the Potomac River, and
they did so often. Many of my collateral family roots appear to be in
Charles County --Md. St. Mary's Md. too.
3. One example is Hugh Lee. We had placed our Lee
roots in Southside, Va., tracing them from Charles City to Prince
George. Then someone found Hugh, Sr. lurking in Northumberland County
where he was a justice in 1650. He married a woman from Maryland,
returned to Northumberland, and then appears to show up in Surry
County
-- either him or his son by the same name. Beyond his marriage, I
have not yet tried to trace his various Md. connections.
I give you all of this just in case you might find
Adam,
the first immigrant, Poythress in the Northern Neck before he, like
Hugh Lee, went south of the James. No proof. Just a possibility.
Sandy Rowe
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Visit www.poythress.net
o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
05/07/2005 10:50:31
RE: Francis
JLP
Maynard, maybe we can do a 1-2 on this one. If I can get a list
compiled quickly, it will tell you where to look and what to look for,
and perhaps give you a better idea of which records are really
important.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Lou....have at it with I'm sure the blessings of all .
However, if you get into the microfilm biz, you might want to know
that I already have on order from Salt Lake City:
I should have these scanned in a couple of weeks if the microfilm
comes in on schedule. However, if you find some guy or gal has
already transcribed them, looking in the index sure beats scanning
microfilm till you go blind so let me know.
Thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Maynard (and all): You know, I think I'd like to take on the project
of collecting all the abstracted and published Northumberland Co.
records that might name Francis Poythress. I think our Dallas library
has all of the published books so it shouldn't be too bad. I can't
get started on this until next week, and it's likely to take a couple
of weeks to finish it. From the abstracts we can be more selective
about original records that might be more interesting...
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:53 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis
I went fishing on the Northumberland board with the below. Have not
hit paydirt yet and that's no particular surprise; I get the
impression (wrongly I hope) that that board is not very active. Did
get one email with interesting comments from a Sandy Rowe which
follows my post:
Francis Poythress or Poythres or Poythers:
was Burgess for Charles City County 3 Nov 1647 and it appears that
likely on the following March Lt. Fra: Poythres was ordered by the
governor to take 60 men under his command and "his" superior was Capt.
Henry Fleet. They were to either make a peace with the Indians
between the Rappahannock and the Potomack or build a fort there.
Likely they debarked (or maybe crossed) the Rappahannock at Nanzatico
Bay..since a "that era" Poythress Creek (now Jett Creek as I recall)
emptied into the river from the east about a half mile or so
downstream (there is no record of any Poythresses being that far north
except this instance so I'm speculating that this is how the creek was
named).
I believe that this activity somewhat coincides with the "naming" or
Northumberland County even if not the founding.
Francis apparently decides to stay (or has it decided for him but
there is no record of that).
On 31 July 1648 he binds himself to a Tho: Boys to find Boys a 4 or 5
year indentured man servant by February in exchange for 40 lbs. Beaver
(pelts). Wit: John Hiller, Tho Baker. (Northumberland records
1653-1657[?]).
On 10 October 1649: Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th
Day of October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening's
Statues, Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was beheaded 30th of
January, 1649. From that point, the Commonwealth in England commenced
and continued with modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in
1660. Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly: Northumberland
: Capt. Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward
Hill, Charles Sparrow. Roughly simultaneously, the Grand Assembly
"granted amnesty" authorizing Capt. Francis Poythers to collect taxes
in Northumberland. (Hening's I, p. 352)
Francis Poythers-Poythres-Poythress makes his last appearance of
record to my knowledge participating in a payment from the
Northumberland estate of one Mr. Snedgraves 20 Sep 1651 (N. Co.
Records, Book 14, p. 9)
In April 1661, a Charles City County court awards one of Francis'
grants to his son John using the term "Capt. ffrancis Poythers,
d'ced." It's ONLY a faint inference that he never returned to Charles
City County.
Questions:
1) even if he was appointed as a Northumberland Burgess
instead of elected (and that's not clear), wouldn't he have been
required to be a property holder to become a Burgess? And are there
any extant N. Co. deed books where that might be found?
2) anyone happen to have this man in a N. county record
later than 20 Sep 1651? Or any record of his death?
Many thanks. And I have most of the "Grand Assemblie" language
ordering this Northumberland expedition if anyone would like me to
share all the quotations.
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: WLSRowe@aol.com [mailto:WLSRowe@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Francis Poythress...
AS for Poythress, I have always thought that a
southside name. Interesting. A few thoughts, only one of which might
possibly help you.
1. I think most of the Northern Neck, if not all,
prior
to 1650/51 or so was Northumberland County. You will be pleasantly
surprised to find open to public use with easy access record books
from, I believe, day one. They are in the clerk's office of
Northumberland Circuit Court in Heathsville.
2. As a person focused on the southside for many
years previously, I had originally thought that the Northern Neck must
have been settled from Jamestown and Charles Cittie County. Not so.
My own research has confirmed what the history books tried to tell me:
it was very easy for the Marylanders to cross the Potomac River, and
they did so often. Many of my collateral family roots appear to be in
Charles County --Md. St. Mary's Md. too.
3. One example is Hugh Lee. We had placed our Lee
roots in Southside, Va., tracing them from Charles City to Prince
George. Then someone found Hugh, Sr. lurking in Northumberland County
where he was a justice in 1650. He married a woman from Maryland,
returned to Northumberland, and then appears to show up in Surry
County
-- either him or his son by the same name. Beyond his marriage, I
have not yet tried to trace his various Md. connections.
I give you all of this just in case you might find
Adam,
the first immigrant, Poythress in the Northern Neck before he, like
Hugh Lee, went south of the James. No proof. Just a possibility.
Sandy Rowe
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Visit www.poythress.net
o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/08/2005 10:33:14
RE: Francis
John M. Poythress
Lou....have at it with I'm sure the blessings of all .
However, if you get into the microfilm biz, you might want to know that
I already have on order from Salt Lake City:
I should have these scanned in a couple of weeks if the microfilm comes
in on schedule. However, if you find some guy or gal has already
transcribed them, looking in the index sure beats scanning microfilm
till you go blind so let me know.
Thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Maynard (and all): You know, I think I'd like to take on the project
of collecting all the abstracted and published Northumberland Co.
records that might name Francis Poythress. I think our Dallas library
has all of the published books so it shouldn't be too bad. I can't
get started on this until next week, and it's likely to take a couple
of weeks to finish it. From the abstracts we can be more selective
about original records that might be more interesting...
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:53 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis
I went fishing on the Northumberland board with the below. Have not
hit paydirt yet and that's no particular surprise; I get the
impression (wrongly I hope) that that board is not very active. Did
get one email with interesting comments from a Sandy Rowe which
follows my post:
Francis Poythress or Poythres or Poythers:
was Burgess for Charles City County 3 Nov 1647 and it appears that
likely on the following March Lt. Fra: Poythres was ordered by the
governor to take 60 men under his command and "his" superior was Capt.
Henry Fleet. They were to either make a peace with the Indians
between the Rappahannock and the Potomack or build a fort there.
Likely they debarked (or maybe crossed) the Rappahannock at Nanzatico
Bay..since a "that era" Poythress Creek (now Jett Creek as I recall)
emptied into the river from the east about a half mile or so
downstream (there is no record of any Poythresses being that far north
except this instance so I'm speculating that this is how the creek was
named).
I believe that this activity somewhat coincides with the "naming" or
Northumberland County even if not the founding.
Francis apparently decides to stay (or has it decided for him but
there is no record of that).
On 31 July 1648 he binds himself to a Tho: Boys to find Boys a 4 or 5
year indentured man servant by February in exchange for 40 lbs. Beaver
(pelts). Wit: John Hiller, Tho Baker. (Northumberland records
1653-1657[?]).
On 10 October 1649: Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th
Day of October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening's
Statues, Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was beheaded 30th of
January, 1649. From that point, the Commonwealth in England commenced
and continued with modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in
1660. Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly: Northumberland
: Capt. Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward
Hill, Charles Sparrow. Roughly simultaneously, the Grand Assembly
"granted amnesty" authorizing Capt. Francis Poythers to collect taxes
in Northumberland. (Hening's I, p. 352)
Francis Poythers-Poythres-Poythress makes his last appearance of
record to my knowledge participating in a payment from the
Northumberland estate of one Mr. Snedgraves 20 Sep 1651 (N. Co.
Records, Book 14, p. 9)
In April 1661, a Charles City County court awards one of Francis'
grants
to his son John using the term "Capt. ffrancis Poythers, d'ced."
It's
ONLY a faint inference that he never returned to Charles City County.
Questions:
1) even if he was appointed as a Northumberland Burgess
instead of elected (and that's not clear), wouldn't he have been
required to be a property holder to become a Burgess? And are there
any extant N. Co. deed books where that might be found?
2) anyone happen to have this man in a N. county record
later than 20 Sep 1651? Or any record of his death?
Many thanks. And I have most of the "Grand Assemblie" language
ordering this Northumberland expedition if anyone would like me to
share all the quotations.
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: WLSRowe@aol.com [mailto:WLSRowe@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Francis Poythress...
AS for Poythress, I have always thought that a
southside name. Interesting. A few thoughts, only one of which might
possibly help you.
1. I think most of the Northern Neck, if not all,
prior
to 1650/51 or so was Northumberland County. You will be pleasantly
surprised to find open to public use with easy access record books
from, I believe, day one. They are in the clerk's office of
Northumberland Circuit Court in Heathsville.
2. As a person focused on the southside for many
years previously, I had originally thought that the Northern Neck must
have been settled from Jamestown and Charles Cittie County. Not so.
My own research has confirmed what the history books tried to tell me:
it was very easy for the Marylanders to cross the Potomac River, and
they did so often. Many of my collateral family roots appear to be in
Charles County --Md. St. Mary's Md. too.
3. One example is Hugh Lee. We had placed our Lee
roots in Southside, Va., tracing them from Charles City to Prince
George. Then someone found Hugh, Sr. lurking in Northumberland County
where he was a justice in 1650. He married a woman from Maryland,
returned to Northumberland, and then appears to show up in Surry
County
-- either him or his son by the same name. Beyond his marriage, I
have not yet tried to trace his various Md. connections.
I give you all of this just in case you might find
Adam,
the first immigrant, Poythress in the Northern Neck before he, like
Hugh Lee, went south of the James. No proof. Just a possibility.
Sandy Rowe
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05/08/2005 11:06:59
"Branchester" of Peter Poythress
Ted Kingsbury
Since many of you are descendants of one of Peter's eight daughters, or his
son; I thought you might me interested in seeing exactly where "Branchester"
was located.
Here is a link to one of the maps in the collection at the Library of
Congress.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?gmd:279:./temp/~ammem_XTnO::
If you look through the other Civil war maps, you will find others of
interest, too.
For the above map, to find Branchester, go to the center of the map, then up
to the right at about a 30 degree angle and right (east) about 1/3 of the
way towards the right hand edge of the map.
The spot you want is slightly below "Bailie's (or Bailey's) Creek", along a
tributary named "Manchester Run". I wonder if this "Manchester Run" might
not be a mistake for "Branchester Run"?
Bailey's Creek empties into the James halfway between City Point (in current
day Hopewell) and Jordan's Point - Remember Richard Bland of "Jordan's"?
among others.
Happy hunting.
Ted Kingsbury
05/08/2005 12:11:49
RE: Francis
John M. Poythress
Lou....that's great. Just let me know what I can do after you have
scoped out the "macro." My guess is going to be what I think your guess
was: that Francis likely never left Northumberland County and died
there, the tax-collector's job being to lucrative to give up. A little
strange that he would just leave Mary high and dry but by then she had
almost grown children...and I just don't know the sociology of the
times. I'd be happy to find a deed or a court order later in the 50's;
at least we'd likely have him pinned down.
I'm going to be out of pocket all of next week. I'm the first week
designated driver for a retired super-eccentric friend of mine who is
walking from Louisville to Portland, OR on behalf of a little charity he
founded when he retired early. (see: www.spava.us ) It's sheer
insanity; I tried to pretend I didn't remember volunteering but it was
no use.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Maynard, maybe we can do a 1-2 on this one. If I can get a list
compiled quickly, it will tell you where to look and what to look for,
and perhaps give you a better idea of which records are really
important.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Lou....have at it with I'm sure the blessings of all .
However, if you get into the microfilm biz, you might want to know
that I already have on order from Salt Lake City:
I should have these scanned in a couple of weeks if the microfilm
comes in on schedule. However, if you find some guy or gal has
already transcribed them, looking in the index sure beats scanning
microfilm till you go blind so let me know.
Thanks,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis
Maynard (and all): You know, I think I'd like to take on the project
of collecting all the abstracted and published Northumberland Co.
records that might name Francis Poythress. I think our Dallas library
has all of the published books so it shouldn't be too bad. I can't
get started on this until next week, and it's likely to take a couple
of weeks to finish it. From the abstracts we can be more selective
about original records that might be more interesting...
Lou Poole
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:53 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis
I went fishing on the Northumberland board with the below. Have not
hit paydirt yet and that's no particular surprise; I get the
impression (wrongly I hope) that that board is not very active. Did
get one email with interesting comments from a Sandy Rowe which
follows my post:
Francis Poythress or Poythres or Poythers:
was Burgess for Charles City County 3 Nov 1647 and it appears that
likely on the following March Lt. Fra: Poythres was ordered by the
governor to take 60 men under his command and "his" superior was Capt.
Henry Fleet. They were to either make a peace with the Indians
between the Rappahannock and the Potomack or build a fort there.
Likely they debarked (or maybe crossed) the Rappahannock at Nanzatico
Bay..since a "that era" Poythress Creek (now Jett Creek as I recall)
emptied into the river from the east about a half mile or so
downstream (there is no record of any Poythresses being that far north
except this instance so I'm speculating that this is how the creek was
named).
I believe that this activity somewhat coincides with the "naming" or
Northumberland County even if not the founding.
Francis apparently decides to stay (or has it decided for him but
there is no record of that).
On 31 July 1648 he binds himself to a Tho: Boys to find Boys a 4 or 5
year indentured man servant by February in exchange for 40 lbs. Beaver
(pelts). Wit: John Hiller, Tho Baker. (Northumberland records
1653-1657[?]).
On 10 October 1649: Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th
Day of October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening's
Statues, Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was beheaded 30th of
January, 1649. From that point, the Commonwealth in England commenced
and continued with modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in
1660. Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly: Northumberland
: Capt. Francis Poythers, Mr. Jo. Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward
Hill, Charles Sparrow. Roughly simultaneously, the Grand Assembly
"granted amnesty" authorizing Capt. Francis Poythers to collect taxes
in Northumberland. (Hening's I, p. 352)
Francis Poythers-Poythres-Poythress makes his last appearance of
record to my knowledge participating in a payment from the
Northumberland estate of one Mr. Snedgraves 20 Sep 1651 (N. Co.
Records, Book 14, p. 9)
In April 1661, a Charles City County court awards one of Francis'
grants to his son John using the term "Capt. ffrancis Poythers,
d'ced." It's ONLY a faint inference that he never returned to Charles
City County.
Questions:
1) even if he was appointed as a Northumberland Burgess
instead of elected (and that's not clear), wouldn't he have been
required to be a property holder to become a Burgess? And are there
any extant N. Co. deed books where that might be found?
2) anyone happen to have this man in a N. county record
later than 20 Sep 1651? Or any record of his death?
Many thanks. And I have most of the "Grand Assemblie" language
ordering this Northumberland expedition if anyone would like me to
share all the quotations.
John M. Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: WLSRowe@aol.com [mailto:WLSRowe@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:22 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Francis Poythress...
AS for Poythress, I have always thought that a
southside name. Interesting. A few thoughts, only one of which might
possibly help you.
1. I think most of the Northern Neck, if not all,
prior
to 1650/51 or so was Northumberland County. You will be pleasantly
surprised to find open to public use with easy access record books
from, I believe, day one. They are in the clerk's office of
Northumberland Circuit Court in Heathsville.
2. As a person focused on the southside for many
years previously, I had originally thought that the Northern Neck must
have been settled from Jamestown and Charles Cittie County. Not so.
My own research has confirmed what the history books tried to tell me:
it was very easy for the Marylanders to cross the Potomac River, and
they did so often. Many of my collateral family roots appear to be in
Charles County --Md. St. Mary's Md. too.
3. One example is Hugh Lee. We had placed our Lee
roots in Southside, Va., tracing them from Charles City to Prince
George. Then someone found Hugh, Sr. lurking in Northumberland County
where he was a justice in 1650. He married a woman from Maryland,
returned to Northumberland, and then appears to show up in Surry
County
-- either him or his son by the same name. Beyond his marriage, I
have not yet tried to trace his various Md. connections.
I give you all of this just in case you might find
Adam,
the first immigrant, Poythress in the Northern Neck before he, like
Hugh Lee, went south of the James. No proof. Just a possibility.
Sandy Rowe
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05/08/2005 12:19:07
Map of Branchester
Ted Kingsbury
Sorry for the bad link: This should work:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/
Now click on "Maps", then "Civil War Maps". Now type "prince george" into
the search field.
You should get a list of 12 maps, with number 3 being, United
States--Virginia--Prince George County. [1864]
Click on this and you should get the correct map. Click on the map once,
then follow the directions in the previous post.
Ted Kingsbury
05/08/2005 12:23:15
Re: Map of Branchester
Randy Jones
If you download it in the original SID format, you can get a free SID viewer from Lizardtech.com
-- Randy Jones
Michael Tutor wrote:
Ted,
Is it possible that you could send the map that you mention in another
format? I have not had any success with it. I am interested in the location
of Manchester creek.......Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: Map of Branchester
> Sorry for the bad link: This should work:
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/
>
> Now click on "Maps", then "Civil War Maps". Now type "prince george" into
> the search field.
> You should get a list of 12 maps, with number 3 being,
> United
> States--Virginia--Prince George County. [1864]
> Click on this and you should get the correct map. Click on the map once,
> then follow the directions in the previous post.
>
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05/09/2005 3:20:39
Re: Map of Branchester
Michael Tutor
Ted,
Is it possible that you could send the map that you mention in another
format? I have not had any success with it. I am interested in the location
of Manchester creek.......Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Kingsbury"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: Map of Branchester
> Sorry for the bad link: This should work:
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/
>
> Now click on "Maps", then "Civil War Maps". Now type "prince george" into
> the search field.
> You should get a list of 12 maps, with number 3 being,
> United
> States--Virginia--Prince George County. [1864]
> Click on this and you should get the correct map. Click on the map once,
> then follow the directions in the previous post.
>
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05/09/2005 3:54:44
RE: Map of Branchester
Ted Kingsbury
Mike, I don't have the actual map. It's on the Library of Congress server.
Just try starting at the LOC home page, www.loc.gov then click "American
Memories" at top center, then "Maps", then "Civil War Maps", then search for
"prince george" (don't type the quotes"). The map I was describing is the
third one in the list: "United States--Virginia--Prince George County.[1864]
. Click on that title and the you should get a page with a thumbnail of the
map (just below the words "Rights and Reproductions". Now, finally, click on
the map thumbnail and you should get to the actual map which you can then
pan and zoom. You can also download a jpeg2000 file to your computer so you
can work with it. Be sure to look through the other Civil war maps. There
are others of this area which might be of interest. I'm continuing to
research the idea that "Manchester Run" is a corruption/misspelling of
"Branchester Run". Good luck.
Ted Kingsbury
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:55 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
Ted,
Is it possible that you could send the map that you mention in another
format? I have not had any success with it. I am interested in the location
of Manchester creek.......Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: Map of Branchester
05/09/2005 5:23:54
Re: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
Michael Tutor
Great job Lou!..........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
> Well, I certainly hope that Maynard is luckier than I was in finding
> records in Northumberland County that relate to Francis Poythress. As
> you might expect, the oldest records appear to be in a sad state, and
> partially missing. The only records I could find in published
> abstracts are the following four records. What might be most relevant
> of all, though, is what is not found. I found NO record naming
> Francis Poythress dated later than ca. 1650-1651, and no indication
> that the died in that area. I have these in a "prettier" format (MS
> WORD, XP version), if anyone wants me to send them as an attachment.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> "Northumberland County, Virginia, Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652: This
> book was restored through N.S.U.S., Daughters of 1812.. Almost half
> of the pages of this Book are missing. However, an Index was restored
> with the Book which seems to belong to this Book. A Notation at the
> end of the Index states 'that the book to which this Index belongs is
> not to be found, supposed to be for Book of Orders by Jan. 20 Anno
> Dom: 1648.' By using the Index supported by the pages which are
> 'extant', we have tried to recon-struct the Book as it was originally.
> Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has bled
> from one side to the other..
> Pages from the Index.
> .
> 16. Cooke, Jno: Dep.
> Gerratt, Tho: Dep.
> Lee; Hann: rights
> Manners, Geo. agt. Prestley
> Poythres, Fran: rights
> Powell, Jno. sale to Joane Philpott
> Trussell, Jno. Dep.
> Waddy, Jno. rights."
> [Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
> Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 1,3.]
>
> "[no date] These are to certifie that according to sufficient proofe
> made before us there is due to Francis Gray three hundred acres of
> land by Assignment from Capt. Francis Poythers for the transportacon
> of these severall persons into this Colony, Vizt. John Tomlinson,
> Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell Moore, John Symson, Mary King.
> "These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe
> made before us that there is due unto John Hillier by Assignment from
> Capt. Francis Poythers two hundred acres of land for the transportacon
> of these severall person into this Colony, Vizt, Edward Coward (?);
> Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager (?) as also for his owne
> adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes."
> ["Northumberland County Deeds & Orders 1650-1652, p. 42" - Sparacio,
> Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
> Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 11-12. Similar
> abstracts are provided in Haynie, W. Preston, Records of Indentured
> Servants and of Certificates for Land, Northumberland County,
> Virginia, p. 23.]
>
> "The Accompt of Mr. John Hollowes Administration of all & singular the
> goods & chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgrave late whilest he lived of the
> County of Northumberland in the Colony of Virginia deceased, taken the
> 20th of Septem. 1651. Imprimis. This Accomptant & Administrator doth
> charge himselfe withall the Estate of the said deceased contained in
> an Inventory & recorded in this Court amounting onto to sum of 17 ( )
> lbs. Paid & laid out of the deceased Estate. Imprs. paid & laid out
> to Jo: Biscoe a debt of the ( ); paid Mr. Chaddocke for him; paid
> Capt. Hull for him, paid Capt. Poythers for him, paid Mr. Speke for
> him; a pare of shooes, a knife, paid to Mr. Pope, paid to Capt.
> Baldridge, paid to Mr. Hiller, paid to Wm. Hardick, paid to Mr. Speke,
> paid to Capt. Baldridge, paid for the charges of proveing the deceds.
> Admr. with Bond orders of Court, quietus est & getting the
> Administracon from James Towne recording the Inventory & Ac-compt in
> all the sum of ( ) Total of the payments 3844; so it appeareth by
> this Accompt that the Accom-pant & Administrator hath paid & laid out
> in Tobco: more then the deceased Estate did amount unto by the sum of
> 2087."
> ["Northumberland County Record Book 1652-1658, p. 9" - Sparacio, Ruth
> and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
> Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, p. 62. A similar abstract
> is also contained in Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts,
> Volume I,.p. 372 which identifies the orginal source as
> "Northumberland County Record Book 14, p. 9" See also, Fleet,
> Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, Northumberland
> County Records, 1652-1655, p. 83, for yet another abstract of the same
> record.]
>
> "'this last day of July 1648.' Francis Poythres binds himself to Tho
> Boys 'to buy and precure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30
> yeares to serve by Indenture fower or five yeares' to be delivered by
> 1st Feb next for 40 lb Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres. Wit: John
> Hiller, Tho Baker. Rec. 9 Nov 1657"
> ["Westmoreland County Deeds, Wills, Patents, etc., 1653-1659, p. 87" -
> Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 687.]
>
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05/10/2005 1:13:52
RE: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
JLP
I found the answer to my own "question" and it appears that would have
been another dead-end path to try to pursue. Apparently William
Berkeley simply "retired" to his estate at Green Springs (just west of
Jamestown) while the Puritans were in control. That doesn't say that
Francis Poythress didn't leave the country, but the fact that Berkeley
stayed makes that possibility less likely, in my view.
Good site if you're ever interested in William Berkeley:
http://www.uno.edu/~history/berkeley.htm
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
Mike, I was pretty disappointed with it all, but I guess in this
"business" I have to console myself with the fact that the lack of
information is often information, itself.
What has me wondering is the coincidence of Francis Poythress'
"disappearance" (or death) with almost the exact schedule of the
Puritans taking over Virginia, with the "election" of General Richard
Bennett as Governor in April 1652. Richard Bennett, though later a
Quaker, was specifically sent by Oliver Cromwell to "subdue" Virginia.
I frankly don't know where William Berkeley and his band of cronies
went during this time, but there is a slight chance that Francis
Poythress might have been among them. (Berkeley was Governor from
1645 until Bennett took over, and Berkeley returned to the role of
Governor in 1660.)
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:14 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
Great job Lou!..........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
> Well, I certainly hope that Maynard is luckier than I was in finding
> records in Northumberland County that relate to Francis Poythress.
As
> you might expect, the oldest records appear to be in a sad state,
and
> partially missing. The only records I could find in published
> abstracts are the following four records. What might be most
relevant
> of all, though, is what is not found. I found NO record naming
> Francis Poythress dated later than ca. 1650-1651, and no indication
> that the died in that area. I have these in a "prettier" format (MS
> WORD, XP version), if anyone wants me to send them as an attachment.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> "Northumberland County, Virginia, Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652: This
> book was restored through N.S.U.S., Daughters of 1812.. Almost half
> of the pages of this Book are missing. However, an Index was
restored
> with the Book which seems to belong to this Book. A Notation at the
> end of the Index states 'that the book to which this Index belongs
is
> not to be found, supposed to be for Book of Orders by Jan. 20 Anno
> Dom: 1648.' By using the Index supported by the pages which are
> 'extant', we have tried to recon-struct the Book as it was
originally.
> Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has bled
> from one side to the other.. Pages from the Index.
> .
> 16. Cooke, Jno: Dep.
> Gerratt, Tho: Dep.
> Lee; Hann: rights
> Manners, Geo. agt. Prestley
> Poythres, Fran: rights
> Powell, Jno. sale to Joane Philpott
> Trussell, Jno. Dep.
> Waddy, Jno. rights."
> [Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
> Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 1,3.]
>
> "[no date] These are to certifie that according to sufficient
proofe
> made before us there is due to Francis Gray three hundred acres of
> land by Assignment from Capt. Francis Poythers for the transportacon
> of these severall persons into this Colony, Vizt. John Tomlinson,
> Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell Moore, John Symson, Mary King.
> "These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe made
> before us that there is due unto John Hillier by Assignment from
Capt.
> Francis Poythers two hundred acres of land for the transportacon of
> these severall person into this Colony, Vizt, Edward Coward (?);
> Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager (?) as also for his owne
> adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes."
["Northumberland
> County Deeds & Orders 1650-1652, p. 42" - Sparacio, Ruth and Sam,
> Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland
> County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 11-12. Similar abstracts are
> provided in Haynie, W. Preston, Records of Indentured Servants and
of
> Certificates for Land, Northumberland County, Virginia, p. 23.]
>
> "The Accompt of Mr. John Hollowes Administration of all & singular
the
> goods & chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgrave late whilest he lived of the
> County of Northumberland in the Colony of Virginia deceased, taken
the
> 20th of Septem. 1651. Imprimis. This Accomptant & Administrator
doth
> charge himselfe withall the Estate of the said deceased contained in
> an Inventory & recorded in this Court amounting onto to sum of 17 (
)
> lbs. Paid & laid out of the deceased Estate. Imprs. paid & laid
out
> to Jo: Biscoe a debt of the ( ); paid Mr. Chaddocke for him; paid
> Capt. Hull for him, paid Capt. Poythers for him, paid Mr. Speke for
> him; a pare of shooes, a knife, paid to Mr. Pope, paid to Capt.
> Baldridge, paid to Mr. Hiller, paid to Wm. Hardick, paid to Mr.
Speke,
> paid to Capt. Baldridge, paid for the charges of proveing the
deceds.
> Admr. with Bond orders of Court, quietus est & getting the
> Administracon from James Towne recording the Inventory & Ac-compt in
> all the sum of ( ) Total of the payments 3844; so it appeareth by
> this Accompt that the Accom-pant & Administrator hath paid & laid
out
> in Tobco: more then the deceased Estate did amount unto by the sum
of
> 2087." ["Northumberland County Record Book 1652-1658, p. 9" -
> Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
> Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, p. 62. A
> similar abstract is also contained in Fleet, Beverley, Virginia
> Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 372 which identifies the orginal
> source as "Northumberland County Record Book 14, p. 9" See also,
> Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II,
> Northumberland County Records, 1652-1655, p. 83, for yet another
> abstract of the same record.]
>
> "'this last day of July 1648.' Francis Poythres binds himself to
Tho
> Boys 'to buy and precure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30
> yeares to serve by Indenture fower or five yeares' to be delivered
by
> 1st Feb next for 40 lb Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres. Wit: John
> Hiller, Tho Baker. Rec. 9 Nov 1657" ["Westmoreland County Deeds,
> Wills, Patents, etc., 1653-1659, p. 87" - Fleet, Beverley, Virginia
> Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 687.]
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05/10/2005 2:29:47
Re: Map of Branchester
Michael Tutor
I got it to work this time. I did not see where it said "Manchester Creek"
but I assumed from your directions that it ran north to south beside
Branchester. My interest results from the following:
Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 70. We, Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne
Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200 acres on both sides of Easterly
Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1,000 acres granted to said Rebecca in
her widowhood, by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof is at
present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is given by
us to Rebecca Poythress, by deed of gift to her this date. The 200 acres is
bounded by said Rebecca's 300 acres...10 Sept 1711. Witn: Jno. Woodlief,
Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (x) Denton. Signed: Charles Bartholomew, Rebecca (x)
Bartholomew.
Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 76. I, Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George County, for love and affection to our
daughter Rebecca Poythress of same, deed 300 acres of land on a branch of
Easterly Run in said county and Parish of Westopher; being part of 1,000
acres granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood, and a moiety thereof
presently belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, bounded by innermost sides of
said patent, path from Jordans to Blackwater, with all houses, etc. Quit
rents to be paid by said Charles and Rebecca for two years. 10 Sept 1711.
Witn: John Woodlief, Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (I) Denton. Signed: Charles
Bartholomew, Rebecca (x) Bartholomew. Recorded 13 Sept 1711.
Lewis Green (c. 1650-c. 1730) and his son-in-law, Ephriam Parham (husband of
Frances), owned a mill on a tributary of Bailey's Creek called Easterly Run.
Easterly Run was later known as Manchester Creek (Prince George Co.,
Virginia).
Mike
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From: "Ted Kingsbury"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Map of Branchester
> Mike, I don't have the actual map. It's on the Library of Congress server.
> Just try starting at the LOC home page, www.loc.gov then click "American
> Memories" at top center, then "Maps", then "Civil War Maps", then search
> for
> "prince george" (don't type the quotes"). The map I was describing is the
> third one in the list: "United States--Virginia--Prince George
> County.[1864]
> . Click on that title and the you should get a page with a thumbnail of
> the
> map (just below the words "Rights and Reproductions". Now, finally, click
> on
> the map thumbnail and you should get to the actual map which you can then
> pan and zoom. You can also download a jpeg2000 file to your computer so
> you
> can work with it. Be sure to look through the other Civil war maps. There
> are others of this area which might be of interest. I'm continuing to
> research the idea that "Manchester Run" is a corruption/misspelling of
> "Branchester Run". Good luck.
>
> Ted Kingsbury
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> Ted,
>
> Is it possible that you could send the map that you mention in another
> format? I have not had any success with it. I am interested in the
> location
> of Manchester creek.......Thanks, Mike
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05/10/2005 2:43:13
Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
JLP
Well, I certainly hope that Maynard is luckier than I was in finding
records in Northumberland County that relate to Francis Poythress. As
you might expect, the oldest records appear to be in a sad state, and
partially missing. The only records I could find in published
abstracts are the following four records. What might be most relevant
of all, though, is what is not found. I found NO record naming
Francis Poythress dated later than ca. 1650-1651, and no indication
that the died in that area. I have these in a "prettier" format (MS
WORD, XP version), if anyone wants me to send them as an attachment.
Lou Poole
"Northumberland County, Virginia, Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652: This
book was restored through N.S.U.S., Daughters of 1812.. Almost half
of the pages of this Book are missing. However, an Index was restored
with the Book which seems to belong to this Book. A Notation at the
end of the Index states 'that the book to which this Index belongs is
not to be found, supposed to be for Book of Orders by Jan. 20 Anno
Dom: 1648.' By using the Index supported by the pages which are
'extant', we have tried to recon-struct the Book as it was originally.
Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has bled
from one side to the other..
Pages from the Index.
.
16. Cooke, Jno: Dep.
Gerratt, Tho: Dep.
Lee; Hann: rights
Manners, Geo. agt. Prestley
Poythres, Fran: rights
Powell, Jno. sale to Joane Philpott
Trussell, Jno. Dep.
Waddy, Jno. rights."
[Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 1,3.]
"[no date] These are to certifie that according to sufficient proofe
made before us there is due to Francis Gray three hundred acres of
land by Assignment from Capt. Francis Poythers for the transportacon
of these severall persons into this Colony, Vizt. John Tomlinson,
Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell Moore, John Symson, Mary King.
"These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe
made before us that there is due unto John Hillier by Assignment from
Capt. Francis Poythers two hundred acres of land for the transportacon
of these severall person into this Colony, Vizt, Edward Coward (?);
Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager (?) as also for his owne
adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes."
["Northumberland County Deeds & Orders 1650-1652, p. 42" - Sparacio,
Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 11-12. Similar
abstracts are provided in Haynie, W. Preston, Records of Indentured
Servants and of Certificates for Land, Northumberland County,
Virginia, p. 23.]
"The Accompt of Mr. John Hollowes Administration of all & singular the
goods & chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgrave late whilest he lived of the
County of Northumberland in the Colony of Virginia deceased, taken the
20th of Septem. 1651. Imprimis. This Accomptant & Administrator doth
charge himselfe withall the Estate of the said deceased contained in
an Inventory & recorded in this Court amounting onto to sum of 17 ( )
lbs. Paid & laid out of the deceased Estate. Imprs. paid & laid out
to Jo: Biscoe a debt of the ( ); paid Mr. Chaddocke for him; paid
Capt. Hull for him, paid Capt. Poythers for him, paid Mr. Speke for
him; a pare of shooes, a knife, paid to Mr. Pope, paid to Capt.
Baldridge, paid to Mr. Hiller, paid to Wm. Hardick, paid to Mr. Speke,
paid to Capt. Baldridge, paid for the charges of proveing the deceds.
Admr. with Bond orders of Court, quietus est & getting the
Administracon from James Towne recording the Inventory & Ac-compt in
all the sum of ( ) Total of the payments 3844; so it appeareth by
this Accompt that the Accom-pant & Administrator hath paid & laid out
in Tobco: more then the deceased Estate did amount unto by the sum of
2087."
["Northumberland County Record Book 1652-1658, p. 9" - Sparacio, Ruth
and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, p. 62. A similar abstract
is also contained in Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts,
Volume I,.p. 372 which identifies the orginal source as
"Northumberland County Record Book 14, p. 9" See also, Fleet,
Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, Northumberland
County Records, 1652-1655, p. 83, for yet another abstract of the same
record.]
"'this last day of July 1648.' Francis Poythres binds himself to Tho
Boys 'to buy and precure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30
yeares to serve by Indenture fower or five yeares' to be delivered by
1st Feb next for 40 lb Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres. Wit: John
Hiller, Tho Baker. Rec. 9 Nov 1657"
["Westmoreland County Deeds, Wills, Patents, etc., 1653-1659, p. 87" -
Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 687.]
05/10/2005 7:26:43
RE: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
John M. Poythress
Lou, the Saints catalog calls this one (if it's the same and I suspect
it it) Deeds & Wills 1650-52. Well, if and when it comes in I'll go
over to the FHL and scan the thing. Maybe there will be something the
ladies missed but I doubt it.
I'll also hit the other one: 1652-1665 Court Orders....and given its
later date I'm even less optimistic about it.
The consolation in this is that the information doesn't appear to offer
anything but perhaps his death date and/or place....and while that would
be great to have, it's not
absolutely necessary that we have it.
Thanks. Maynard
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Subject: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
Well, I certainly hope that Maynard is luckier than I was in finding
records in Northumberland County that relate to Francis Poythress. As
you might expect, the oldest records appear to be in a sad state, and
partially missing. The only records I could find in published
abstracts are the following four records. What might be most relevant
of all, though, is what is not found. I found NO record naming
Francis Poythress dated later than ca. 1650-1651, and no indication
that the died in that area. I have these in a "prettier" format (MS
WORD, XP version), if anyone wants me to send them as an attachment.
Lou Poole
"Northumberland County, Virginia, Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652: This
book was restored through N.S.U.S., Daughters of 1812.. Almost half
of the pages of this Book are missing. However, an Index was restored
with the Book which seems to belong to this Book. A Notation at the
end of the Index states 'that the book to which this Index belongs is
not to be found, supposed to be for Book of Orders by Jan. 20 Anno
Dom: 1648.' By using the Index supported by the pages which are
'extant', we have tried to recon-struct the Book as it was originally.
Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has bled
from one side to the other..
Pages from the Index.
.
16. Cooke, Jno: Dep.
Gerratt, Tho: Dep.
Lee; Hann: rights
Manners, Geo. agt. Prestley
Poythres, Fran: rights
Powell, Jno. sale to Joane Philpott
Trussell, Jno. Dep.
Waddy, Jno. rights."
[Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 1,3.]
"[no date] These are to certifie that according to sufficient proofe
made before us there is due to Francis Gray three hundred acres of
land by Assignment from Capt. Francis Poythers for the transportacon
of these severall persons into this Colony, Vizt. John Tomlinson,
Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell Moore, John Symson, Mary King.
"These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe
made before us that there is due unto John Hillier by Assignment from
Capt. Francis Poythers two hundred acres of land for the transportacon
of these severall person into this Colony, Vizt, Edward Coward (?);
Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager (?) as also for his owne
adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes."
["Northumberland County Deeds & Orders 1650-1652, p. 42" - Sparacio,
Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 11-12. Similar
abstracts are provided in Haynie, W. Preston, Records of Indentured
Servants and of Certificates for Land, Northumberland County,
Virginia, p. 23.]
"The Accompt of Mr. John Hollowes Administration of all & singular the
goods & chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgrave late whilest he lived of the
County of Northumberland in the Colony of Virginia deceased, taken the
20th of Septem. 1651. Imprimis. This Accomptant & Administrator doth
charge himselfe withall the Estate of the said deceased contained in
an Inventory & recorded in this Court amounting onto to sum of 17 ( )
lbs. Paid & laid out of the deceased Estate. Imprs. paid & laid out
to Jo: Biscoe a debt of the ( ); paid Mr. Chaddocke for him; paid
Capt. Hull for him, paid Capt. Poythers for him, paid Mr. Speke for
him; a pare of shooes, a knife, paid to Mr. Pope, paid to Capt.
Baldridge, paid to Mr. Hiller, paid to Wm. Hardick, paid to Mr. Speke,
paid to Capt. Baldridge, paid for the charges of proveing the deceds.
Admr. with Bond orders of Court, quietus est & getting the
Administracon from James Towne recording the Inventory & Ac-compt in
all the sum of ( ) Total of the payments 3844; so it appeareth by
this Accompt that the Accom-pant & Administrator hath paid & laid out
in Tobco: more then the deceased Estate did amount unto by the sum of
2087."
["Northumberland County Record Book 1652-1658, p. 9" - Sparacio, Ruth
and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, p. 62. A similar abstract
is also contained in Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts,
Volume I,.p. 372 which identifies the orginal source as
"Northumberland County Record Book 14, p. 9" See also, Fleet,
Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II, Northumberland
County Records, 1652-1655, p. 83, for yet another abstract of the same
record.]
"'this last day of July 1648.' Francis Poythres binds himself to Tho
Boys 'to buy and precure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30
yeares to serve by Indenture fower or five yeares' to be delivered by
1st Feb next for 40 lb Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres. Wit: John
Hiller, Tho Baker. Rec. 9 Nov 1657"
["Westmoreland County Deeds, Wills, Patents, etc., 1653-1659, p. 87" -
Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 687.]
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05/10/2005 12:12:38
RE: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
JLP
Mike, I was pretty disappointed with it all, but I guess in this
"business" I have to console myself with the fact that the lack of
information is often information, itself.
What has me wondering is the coincidence of Francis Poythress'
"disappearance" (or death) with almost the exact schedule of the
Puritans taking over Virginia, with the "election" of General Richard
Bennett as Governor in April 1652. Richard Bennett, though later a
Quaker, was specifically sent by Oliver Cromwell to "subdue" Virginia.
I frankly don't know where William Berkeley and his band of cronies
went during this time, but there is a slight chance that Francis
Poythress might have been among them. (Berkeley was Governor from
1645 until Bennett took over, and Berkeley returned to the role of
Governor in 1660.)
Lou
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Subject: Re: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
Great job Lou!..........Mike
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From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress in Northumberland Co
> Well, I certainly hope that Maynard is luckier than I was in finding
> records in Northumberland County that relate to Francis Poythress.
As
> you might expect, the oldest records appear to be in a sad state,
and
> partially missing. The only records I could find in published
> abstracts are the following four records. What might be most
relevant
> of all, though, is what is not found. I found NO record naming
> Francis Poythress dated later than ca. 1650-1651, and no indication
> that the died in that area. I have these in a "prettier" format (MS
> WORD, XP version), if anyone wants me to send them as an attachment.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> "Northumberland County, Virginia, Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652: This
> book was restored through N.S.U.S., Daughters of 1812.. Almost half
> of the pages of this Book are missing. However, an Index was
restored
> with the Book which seems to belong to this Book. A Notation at the
> end of the Index states 'that the book to which this Index belongs
is
> not to be found, supposed to be for Book of Orders by Jan. 20 Anno
> Dom: 1648.' By using the Index supported by the pages which are
> 'extant', we have tried to recon-struct the Book as it was
originally.
> Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has bled
> from one side to the other.. Pages from the Index.
> .
> 16. Cooke, Jno: Dep.
> Gerratt, Tho: Dep.
> Lee; Hann: rights
> Manners, Geo. agt. Prestley
> Poythres, Fran: rights
> Powell, Jno. sale to Joane Philpott
> Trussell, Jno. Dep.
> Waddy, Jno. rights."
> [Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
> Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 1,3.]
>
> "[no date] These are to certifie that according to sufficient
proofe
> made before us there is due to Francis Gray three hundred acres of
> land by Assignment from Capt. Francis Poythers for the transportacon
> of these severall persons into this Colony, Vizt. John Tomlinson,
> Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell Moore, John Symson, Mary King.
> "These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe made
> before us that there is due unto John Hillier by Assignment from
Capt.
> Francis Poythers two hundred acres of land for the transportacon of
> these severall person into this Colony, Vizt, Edward Coward (?);
> Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager (?) as also for his owne
> adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes."
["Northumberland
> County Deeds & Orders 1650-1652, p. 42" - Sparacio, Ruth and Sam,
> Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will Abstracts of
Northumberland
> County, Virginia, 1650-1655, pp. 11-12. Similar abstracts are
> provided in Haynie, W. Preston, Records of Indentured Servants and
of
> Certificates for Land, Northumberland County, Virginia, p. 23.]
>
> "The Accompt of Mr. John Hollowes Administration of all & singular
the
> goods & chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgrave late whilest he lived of the
> County of Northumberland in the Colony of Virginia deceased, taken
the
> 20th of Septem. 1651. Imprimis. This Accomptant & Administrator
doth
> charge himselfe withall the Estate of the said deceased contained in
> an Inventory & recorded in this Court amounting onto to sum of 17 (
)
> lbs. Paid & laid out of the deceased Estate. Imprs. paid & laid
out
> to Jo: Biscoe a debt of the ( ); paid Mr. Chaddocke for him; paid
> Capt. Hull for him, paid Capt. Poythers for him, paid Mr. Speke for
> him; a pare of shooes, a knife, paid to Mr. Pope, paid to Capt.
> Baldridge, paid to Mr. Hiller, paid to Wm. Hardick, paid to Mr.
Speke,
> paid to Capt. Baldridge, paid for the charges of proveing the
deceds.
> Admr. with Bond orders of Court, quietus est & getting the
> Administracon from James Towne recording the Inventory & Ac-compt in
> all the sum of ( ) Total of the payments 3844; so it appeareth by
> this Accompt that the Accom-pant & Administrator hath paid & laid
out
> in Tobco: more then the deceased Estate did amount unto by the sum
of
> 2087." ["Northumberland County Record Book 1652-1658, p. 9" -
> Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Virginia County Court Records, Deed & Will
> Abstracts of Northumberland County, Virginia, 1650-1655, p. 62. A
> similar abstract is also contained in Fleet, Beverley, Virginia
> Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 372 which identifies the orginal
> source as "Northumberland County Record Book 14, p. 9" See also,
> Fleet, Beverley, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Volume II,
> Northumberland County Records, 1652-1655, p. 83, for yet another
> abstract of the same record.]
>
> "'this last day of July 1648.' Francis Poythres binds himself to
Tho
> Boys 'to buy and precure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30
> yeares to serve by Indenture fower or five yeares' to be delivered
by
> 1st Feb next for 40 lb Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres. Wit: John
> Hiller, Tho Baker. Rec. 9 Nov 1657" ["Westmoreland County Deeds,
> Wills, Patents, etc., 1653-1659, p. 87" - Fleet, Beverley, Virginia
> Colonial Abstracts, Volume I,.p. 687.]
>
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05/10/2005 12:37:45
RE: Map of Branchester
Ted Kingsbury
Mike, Glad you got it to work. I'm not sure which of the maps said
"Manchester" ("Run", not "Creek", by the way). One of the maps DID say
"Easterly Run". The current USGS topo map says "Manchester Run". You can
look at it at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.27167&lon=-77.29444
Unfortunately, you can't download a copy without paying.
Ted
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To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
I got it to work this time. I did not see where it said "Manchester Creek"
but I assumed from your directions that it ran north to south beside
Branchester. My interest results from the following:
Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 70. We, Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne
Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200 acres on both sides of Easterly
Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1,000 acres granted to said Rebecca in
her widowhood, by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof is at
present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is given by
us to Rebecca Poythress, by deed of gift to her this date. The 200 acres is
bounded by said Rebecca's 300 acres...10 Sept 1711. Witn: Jno. Woodlief,
Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (x) Denton. Signed: Charles Bartholomew, Rebecca (x)
Bartholomew.
Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 76. I, Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George County, for love and affection to our
daughter Rebecca Poythress of same, deed 300 acres of land on a branch of
Easterly Run in said county and Parish of Westopher; being part of 1,000
acres granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood, and a moiety thereof
presently belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, bounded by innermost sides of
said patent, path from Jordans to Blackwater, with all houses, etc. Quit
rents to be paid by said Charles and Rebecca for two years. 10 Sept 1711.
Witn: John Woodlief, Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (I) Denton. Signed: Charles
Bartholomew, Rebecca (x) Bartholomew. Recorded 13 Sept 1711.
Lewis Green (c. 1650-c. 1730) and his son-in-law, Ephriam Parham (husband of
Frances), owned a mill on a tributary of Bailey's Creek called Easterly Run.
Easterly Run was later known as Manchester Creek (Prince George Co.,
Virginia).
Mike
05/11/2005 6:53:58
RE: John P husband of Mary Batte
JLP
Ted, perhaps someone else on this list can give you a better answer,
but don't feel you are alone in being confused on this question...
I notice that two of the early published experts disagree on the
question:
1) Judith McGhan in "Genealogies of Virginia Families (William and
Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine), Vol. IV, p. 175, says
that John, son of Francis and Rebecca Wynne, was the one who married
Mary Batte, while
2) John Bennett Boddie in his Historical Southern Families, Vol. IV,
pp. 33-34, 35 says that the John who married Mary Batte was the son of
John and Christian (Peebles) Poythress.
So you're in good company, and not the only one confused.
For what it's worth, I like Boddie's reasoning and data better on this
one... But you really need to hear from someone else who might have a
more vested interest in the question.
Lou Poole
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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: John P husband of Mary Batte
John M. or Maynard or anyone: Could someone please explain the current
thinking as to whether John P. (husband of Mary Batte) was the son of
John and Christian (Peebles) Poythress, OR the son of Maj. Francis and
Rebecca
(Coggin) Poythress? I'm getting a headache trying to untangle all the
Johns, Joshuas, Francises, etc.
The RBB cards don't seem to give a definitive answer, unless I'm just
not reading them correctly. Thanks for any help and clarification.
Ted Kingsbury
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05/12/2005 2:36:23
RE: Map of Branchester
JLP
Mike, my apologies, I hadn't really been paying any attention to this
thread. I have a copy of the Virginia Atlas & Gazetteer put out by
DeLorme Mapping Company (in my opinion, this, or something like it, is
a must for any serious genealogist). I think I've found what you are
looking for. In Prince George County there is a Manchester Run that
runs generally southeast to northwest to empty into Bailey Creek on
the southern outskirts of Hopewell. Bailey Creek, Manchester Run and
Blackwater would form three sides of an area that seems to be what is
being described in that deed. And BTW, this is not very far from the
headwaters of Poythress Run.
If this is what you are looking for, I can make you a digital image of
the area, and send it to you separately.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:45 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
I guess I will have to get a good topographical map. Thanks for the
site....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Kingsbury"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Map of Branchester
> Mike, Glad you got it to work. I'm not sure which of the maps said
> "Manchester" ("Run", not "Creek", by the way). One of the maps DID
say
> "Easterly Run". The current USGS topo map says "Manchester Run". You
> can look at it at
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.27167&lon=-77.29444
> Unfortunately, you can't download a copy without paying.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:43 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
>
>
> I got it to work this time. I did not see where it said "Manchester
> Creek" but I assumed from your directions that it ran north to south
> beside Branchester. My interest results from the following:
>
> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 70. We, Charles
> Bartholomew
> and
> Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne
> Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200 acres on both sides of
> Easterly
> Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1,000 acres granted to said
Rebecca
> in
> her widowhood, by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof
is at
> present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is
given
> by
> us to Rebecca Poythress, by deed of gift to her this date. The 200
acres
> is
> bounded by said Rebecca's 300 acres...10 Sept 1711. Witn: Jno.
Woodlief,
> Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (x) Denton. Signed: Charles Bartholomew,
Rebecca (x)
> Bartholomew.
> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 76. I, Charles
Bartholomew and
> Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George County, for love and affection
to our
> daughter Rebecca Poythress of same, deed 300 acres of land on a
branch of
> Easterly Run in said county and Parish of Westopher; being part of
1,000
> acres granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood, and a moiety thereof
> presently belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, bounded by innermost
sides of
> said patent, path from Jordans to Blackwater, with all houses, etc.
Quit
> rents to be paid by said Charles and Rebecca for two years. 10 Sept
1711.
> Witn: John Woodlief, Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (I) Denton. Signed:
Charles
> Bartholomew, Rebecca (x) Bartholomew. Recorded 13 Sept 1711.
>
> Lewis Green (c. 1650-c. 1730) and his son-in-law, Ephriam Parham
> (husband
> of
> Frances), owned a mill on a tributary of Bailey's Creek called
Easterly
> Run.
>
> Easterly Run was later known as Manchester Creek (Prince George Co.,
> Virginia).
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/12/2005 8:20:34
Re: Map of Branchester
Michael Tutor
I guess I will have to get a good topographical map. Thanks for the
site....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Kingsbury"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: Map of Branchester
> Mike, Glad you got it to work. I'm not sure which of the maps said
> "Manchester" ("Run", not "Creek", by the way). One of the maps DID say
> "Easterly Run". The current USGS topo map says "Manchester Run". You can
> look at it at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.27167&lon=-77.29444
> Unfortunately, you can't download a copy without paying.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:43 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
>
>
> I got it to work this time. I did not see where it said "Manchester Creek"
> but I assumed from your directions that it ran north to south beside
> Branchester. My interest results from the following:
>
> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 70. We, Charles Bartholomew
> and
> Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne
> Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200 acres on both sides of
> Easterly
> Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1,000 acres granted to said Rebecca
> in
> her widowhood, by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof is at
> present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is given
> by
> us to Rebecca Poythress, by deed of gift to her this date. The 200 acres
> is
> bounded by said Rebecca's 300 acres...10 Sept 1711. Witn: Jno. Woodlief,
> Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (x) Denton. Signed: Charles Bartholomew, Rebecca (x)
> Bartholomew.
> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 76. I, Charles Bartholomew and
> Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George County, for love and affection to our
> daughter Rebecca Poythress of same, deed 300 acres of land on a branch of
> Easterly Run in said county and Parish of Westopher; being part of 1,000
> acres granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood, and a moiety thereof
> presently belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, bounded by innermost sides of
> said patent, path from Jordans to Blackwater, with all houses, etc. Quit
> rents to be paid by said Charles and Rebecca for two years. 10 Sept 1711.
> Witn: John Woodlief, Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (I) Denton. Signed: Charles
> Bartholomew, Rebecca (x) Bartholomew. Recorded 13 Sept 1711.
>
> Lewis Green (c. 1650-c. 1730) and his son-in-law, Ephriam Parham (husband
> of
> Frances), owned a mill on a tributary of Bailey's Creek called Easterly
> Run.
>
> Easterly Run was later known as Manchester Creek (Prince George Co.,
> Virginia).
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
05/12/2005 8:44:41
FW: New email address beginning end of May MJMChatham@juno.com
John M. Poythress
As information. Maynard
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:15 PM
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Subject: New email address beginning end of May MJMChatham@juno.com
New email address beginning end of May MJMChatham@juno.com
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check both accounts untill the end of May.
Thank you,
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05/12/2005 9:48:03
John P husband of Mary Batte
Ted Kingsbury
John M. or Maynard or anyone: Could someone please explain the current
thinking as to whether John P. (husband of Mary Batte) was the son of John
and Christian (Peebles) Poythress, OR the son of Maj. Francis and Rebecca
(Coggin) Poythress? I'm getting a headache trying to untangle all the Johns,
Joshuas, Francises, etc.
The RBB cards don't seem to give a definitive answer, unless I'm just not
reading them correctly.
Thanks for any help and clarification.
Ted Kingsbury
05/12/2005 12:37:34
Re: Map of Branchester
Michael Tutor
Lou,
If you have an opportunity to scan the map, I would enjoy seeing it. If I
can identify its location, maybe I can determine from the existing records
when and how it left Rebecca Poythress' possession.......Thanks, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Map of Branchester
> Mike, my apologies, I hadn't really been paying any attention to this
> thread. I have a copy of the Virginia Atlas & Gazetteer put out by
> DeLorme Mapping Company (in my opinion, this, or something like it, is
> a must for any serious genealogist). I think I've found what you are
> looking for. In Prince George County there is a Manchester Run that
> runs generally southeast to northwest to empty into Bailey Creek on
> the southern outskirts of Hopewell. Bailey Creek, Manchester Run and
> Blackwater would form three sides of an area that seems to be what is
> being described in that deed. And BTW, this is not very far from the
> headwaters of Poythress Run.
>
> If this is what you are looking for, I can make you a digital image of
> the area, and send it to you separately.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:45 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
>
>
> I guess I will have to get a good topographical map. Thanks for the
> site....Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Kingsbury"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:53 PM
> Subject: RE: Map of Branchester
>
>
>> Mike, Glad you got it to work. I'm not sure which of the maps said
>> "Manchester" ("Run", not "Creek", by the way). One of the maps DID
> say
>> "Easterly Run". The current USGS topo map says "Manchester Run". You
>
>> can look at it at
>> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.27167&lon=-77.29444
>> Unfortunately, you can't download a copy without paying.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:43 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Map of Branchester
>>
>>
>> I got it to work this time. I did not see where it said "Manchester
>> Creek" but I assumed from your directions that it ran north to south
>
>> beside Branchester. My interest results from the following:
>>
>> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 70. We, Charles
>> Bartholomew
>> and
>> Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to our daughter Anne
>> Bartholomew, after our decease, give her 200 acres on both sides of
>> Easterly
>> Run in Westover Parish; being rest of 1,000 acres granted to said
> Rebecca
>> in
>> her widowhood, by escheat patent 29 April 1692; the moiety whereof
> is at
>> present belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, and 300 more whereof is
> given
>> by
>> us to Rebecca Poythress, by deed of gift to her this date. The 200
> acres
>> is
>> bounded by said Rebecca's 300 acres...10 Sept 1711. Witn: Jno.
> Woodlief,
>> Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (x) Denton. Signed: Charles Bartholomew,
> Rebecca (x)
>> Bartholomew.
>> Prince George County, Wills and Deeds, page 76. I, Charles
> Bartholomew and
>> Rebecca Bartholomew of Prince George County, for love and affection
> to our
>> daughter Rebecca Poythress of same, deed 300 acres of land on a
> branch of
>> Easterly Run in said county and Parish of Westopher; being part of
> 1,000
>> acres granted to said Rebecca in her widowhood, and a moiety thereof
>> presently belonging to Col. Littlebury Epes, bounded by innermost
> sides of
>> said patent, path from Jordans to Blackwater, with all houses, etc.
> Quit
>> rents to be paid by said Charles and Rebecca for two years. 10 Sept
> 1711.
>> Witn: John Woodlief, Rich'd Wallpole, Jno. (I) Denton. Signed:
> Charles
>> Bartholomew, Rebecca (x) Bartholomew. Recorded 13 Sept 1711.
>>
>> Lewis Green (c. 1650-c. 1730) and his son-in-law, Ephriam Parham
>> (husband
>> of
>> Frances), owned a mill on a tributary of Bailey's Creek called
> Easterly
>> Run.
>>
>> Easterly Run was later known as Manchester Creek (Prince George Co.,
>
>> Virginia).
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
05/13/2005 9:11:26
John M. Poythress
From the Southside Virginia wire:
The president's proposed budget for 2006 eliminates the National
Historical Publications and Records Commission, the only grant-making
body in the
federal
government with a focus on archives.
This should be of interest to all of us, as an invaluable national
resource for our research. Please visit this website and sign the
petition:
http://www.savearchives.org/
05/16/2005 3:07:27
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V05 #93
s b
Thanks for the information.
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:
>
> From the Southside Virginia wire:
>
>
> The president's proposed budget for 2006 eliminates
> the National
> Historical Publications and Records Commission, the
> only grant-making
> body in the
> federal
> government with a focus on archives.
>
> This should be of interest to all of us, as an
> invaluable national
> resource for our research. Please visit this
> website and sign the
> petition:
>
> http://www.savearchives.org/
>
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05/17/2005 2:38:19
RE: Northumberland Records
JLP
I've run into the same problem with reading microfilms from Isle of
Wight County. Yet, a couple of people have made abstracts of pages
that I couldn't read at all. Which tells me they were either working
from original records, or else there really are better film copies out
there, if we only knew how and where to obtain them. Did LVA, by any
chance, do their own filming when records were archived for them?
Just curious...
How comfortable does everyone feel about that birth date of 1709? I'm
no longer very comfortable about it, and can't help but feel that he
might have been born maybe about 10 years sooner.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Northumberland Records
Yesterday and today I scanned two LDS microfilm reels with little or
no success.
LDS #32638, 1652-1658 Deeds and Wills:
I found no Poythress entries although the possibility exists that I
missed something. The quality of this roll is extremely poor.readable
with high degree of difficulty except for missing sections of many
pages. It was apparent that the photographer worked hard; he did as
good a job as could be expected. Book was not indexed so it was a
long, long day.
LDS #32648, 1652-1655 Orders:
Restoration by N.S.U.S. Daughters of 1812. Explanatory comments at
front of reel that condition made it extremely difficult to microfilm
(although again, the photographer did a fine job). This volume is
indexed. Pages 1 through 39 are missing. Single index entry:
"Poythres, fran:" listed for page 15 would lead one to conclude
Francis Poythress had lived as late as 1652 although there is some
confusion as the inclusive dates on these reels and the resulting
transcribed record books have some disparities in their cover dates.
In any case, it doesn't appear hugely material to know that Francis
lived into 1652 inasmuch as we have him in the estate settlement of
one Robert Sedgrave 20 Sep 1651. The real question was did Francis
live even longer than that.
Also pertinent to this reel, the index and the text was checked for
surnames that we already have referencing Northumberland transactions
including Francis Poythress. There were in all cases multiple legal
transactions of various types made by John Hillier, Francis Gray,
Robert Sedgrave, John Holloway and Thomas Boys..at least establishing
the identity of these individuals and the probability that they were
leaders in the community.
It seems to me reasonable to conclude that Francis Poythress1 lived
into the early 1650's in Northumberland County and perhaps never even
returned to Charles City County, VA. Accepting birth in 1609 gives
Francis a life span of only about 42 years but they were eventful.
Lou, I will revise the Northumberland database to include the several
references you have to abstracts of various books. The
Northumberland
abstracts accumulated by the Sparacios were no doubt extracted from
better copies of the documents than are represented by the LDS
microfilm.
Maynard
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/18/2005 9:43:43
Northumberland Records
John M. Poythress
Yesterday and today I scanned two LDS microfilm reels with little or no
success.
LDS #32638, 1652-1658 Deeds and Wills:
I found no Poythress entries although the possibility exists that I
missed something. The quality of this roll is extremely poor.readable
with high degree of difficulty except for missing sections of many
pages. It was apparent that the photographer worked hard; he did as
good a job as could be expected. Book was not indexed so it was a long,
long day.
LDS #32648, 1652-1655 Orders:
Restoration by N.S.U.S. Daughters of 1812. Explanatory comments at
front of reel that condition made it extremely difficult to
microfilm (although again, the photographer did a fine job). This
volume is indexed. Pages 1 through 39 are missing. Single index entry:
"Poythres, fran:" listed for page 15 would lead one to conclude Francis
Poythress had lived as late as 1652 although there is some confusion as
the inclusive dates on these reels and the resulting transcribed record
books have some disparities in their cover dates.
In any case, it doesn't appear hugely material to know that Francis
lived into 1652 inasmuch as we have him in the estate settlement of one
Robert Sedgrave 20 Sep 1651. The real question was did Francis live
even longer than that.
Also pertinent to this reel, the index and the text was checked for
surnames that we already have referencing Northumberland transactions
including Francis Poythress. There were in all cases multiple legal
transactions of various types made by John Hillier, Francis Gray, Robert
Sedgrave, John Holloway and Thomas Boys..at least establishing the
identity of these individuals and the probability that they were leaders
in the community.
It seems to me reasonable to conclude that Francis Poythress1 lived into
the early 1650's in Northumberland County and perhaps never even
returned to Charles City County, VA. Accepting birth in 1609 gives
Francis a life span of only about 42 years but they were eventful.
Lou, I will revise the Northumberland database to include the several
references you have to abstracts of various books. The Northumberland
abstracts accumulated by the Sparacios were no doubt extracted from
better copies of the documents than are represented by the LDS
microfilm.
Maynard
05/18/2005 10:24:27
Re: A HA!
koswcartist
Patsy vs Martha. I know that in Greek or Latin the name Patricia means
straight or upright. If you remember in the bible, Martha was the straight
upright one doing all the work vs Mary who did other tasks... Maybe that is
where the nickname came from in the 1800s. Patti aka another Patrician!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: A HA!
> The probable source of Dr. William B. Hall's abiding interest in
> Poythress history...about which he wrote in such quantity in the
> mid-30's:
>
> "The sketch of James Alfred Jones published in "Eminent Representatives
> of Virginia and the District of Columbia" (1893) states that Dr. Robert
> Hall's grandfather was one of the first colonists of Flowerdeiu (sic)
> Hundred, a settlement on the James River.
> He married a Quakeress, Martha Pleasants. His son William Hall, father
> of Dr. Robert Hall, married Susanna Poythress, and a daughter Patsy (or
> Martha) married Benjamin Waller of Williamsburg. Robert Tignall Jones,
> brother of James Alfred Jones, was Colonel of an Alabama regiment and
> was killed in the War for Southern Independence." (See also William &
> Mary Quarterly, XIII, p. 143) Source: Tyler's Quarterly Magazine, Vol.
> 6, p. 46.
>
> Also suggests a couple of other items of peripheral and sometime
> interest:
>
> . How Dr. Hall came to be living in Selma, AL in his retirement and
> active writing years.
>
> . once again we see in the 18th & 19th centuries a connection with
> "Patsy" as an alternate (nickname?) for Martha, a usage not common today
> and it gave us some initial confusion with Thomas Poythress' wife
> Patsy/Martha in Burke Co., GA until we figured out the connection.
>
> Interesting I thought.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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>
05/19/2005 3:14:02
Re: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
Julie Cabitto
You are in luck Maynard, because I am indeed going to Richmond this
Saturday. I've been wanting to go since December, and I go to Richmond all
the time, but usually with my children. And I haven't had a free Saturday
for awhile. So I reserved this Saturday on my calendar a few weeks ago and
told everyone I am not available because I am going to the archives!! 🙂
I printed off the pages I posted earlier about Poythress to see how much I
could find. I do plan to get a few Jones things, like Zachariah Jones will,
and other stuff like that if you saw it on the Mecklenburg web site, for
that 98th Regt. area where I'm convinced everyone was related by blood or
marriage 🙂 . I also have a stack of Poythress stuff to look up, of stuff
earlier I posted. There were a few newspaper pages I wanted to try and find
too about Poythress in VA. In early 1800's.
I don't have the list in front of me, but I'll print this email and put it
at the top of the stack of "to find" stuff. To help me though, does anyone
have in their notes which specific county this division of estate below is
for William Poythress?
And what I don't get on this trip, I hope it won't be too long before the
next trip. I only live 50 minutes away, so it shouldn't be as hard as it's
been to get there. In my opinion, it's really a heaven if you love books,
history and a good library. It's a great haven from DC metropolitan traffic
🙂
I saw that you all have many of the wills, so let me know which ones you
don't have, like this one below, and which county, and I'll go get it as
soon as possible.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:07 PM
Subject: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
> Julie, I think I've found the one you referred to.
>
> It's on the LVA "Index to Wills and Administrations: Catalog file."
> It's: Archives Division Accession No. 22483. My guess would be it's
> not the actual will as the onsite index page refers to it as "Division
> of Estate - 1771." These typically aren't as good as the will itself
> but they are a whole lot better than nothing and are often darn good
> themselves.
>
> The listing goes on to say: "Part of index to wills not listed in
> Virginia Wills and Administrations, 1632-1800 (Torrance).
>
> I'm posting this detail in the hope that it may put someone on the trail
> who can get us a copy - hint, hint.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
05/19/2005 5:02:44
Wm Poythress 1771 Will
John M. Poythress
Julie, I think I've found the one you referred to.
It's on the LVA "Index to Wills and Administrations: Catalog file."
It's: Archives Division Accession No. 22483. My guess would be it's
not the actual will as the onsite index page refers to it as "Division
of Estate - 1771." These typically aren't as good as the will itself
but they are a whole lot better than nothing and are often darn good
themselves.
The listing goes on to say: "Part of index to wills not listed in
Virginia Wills and Administrations, 1632-1800 (Torrance).
I'm posting this detail in the hope that it may put someone on the trail
who can get us a copy - hint, hint.
Maynard
05/19/2005 6:07:10
RE: R. Bolling Batte Papers
John M. Poythress
Yes, if you mean have I ONLY gotten the index....it's on the page that
itemizes the R. Bolling Batte Papers (as opposed to the 8 x 5 index
cards on individuals). The LVA page says the entire collection of
papers takes up 29.5 cubic feet...although that seems an odd way to
measure "papers."
Anyway, the one box # 18 that has all the Poythress papers is likely
2500 or 3000 pages so unless one has something very specific in mind
that looks like a job for one who has
a month or so to kill.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:25 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: R. Bolling Batte Papers
Does this mean you have gotten these off indexes but do not have a copy?
I'm
printing this email to bring with me.
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: R. Bolling Batte Papers
> Julie, I have pasted below the P. material from the R. Bolling Batte
> "papers" (not to be confused with RBB Cards, RBB Chart, etc.
> The LVA website indicates that there are no restrictions on accessing
> this material.
>
> Maynard
> o Poythress Box: 18 Folder: 1
> o Poythress - Binders (Flowerdew Hundred) Box: 18 Folder: 2
> o Poythress Chart Box: 18 Folder: 3
> o Poythress (P-1) Chart Box: 18 Folder: 4
> o Poythress - County Record Extracts (Amelia, Surry, Petersburg,
> Sussex) Box: 18 Folder: 5
> o Poythress of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Box: 18 Folder: 6
> o Poythress - Extracts from Charles City Records Box: 18 Folder: 7
>
> o Poythress - Extracts from Prince George Records Box: 18 Folder:
> 8
> o Poythress - Extracts from Printed Material Box: 18 Folder: 9
> o Poythress Material from Miss Peebles Box: 18 Folder: 10
> o Poythress Notes - 2nd Set Box: 18 Folder: 11
> o Poythress - Old "142" Charts Box: 18 Folder: 12
> o Poythress - Peebles Notes (Not Checked) Box: 18 Folder: 13
> o Poythress - Photo Records Box: 18 Folder: 14
> o Poythress - Sources and Index Box: 18 Folder: 15
> o Poythress - Surveys Box: 18 Folder: 16
> o Poythress Will, 1724 Box: 18 Folder: 17
> o Poythress - Write Up Drafts Box: 18 Folder: 18
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/20/2005 2:10:54
RE: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
John M. Poythress
Ah, what a sweetheart you are Julie.
Re old newspapers....although you said early 1800's it still jogged me
to ask if you know that all the old issues of The Virginia Gazette are
digitally reproduced at W&M's "Past Portals" site....
http://www.pastportal.com/browse/vg/ . I know most of these will be
prior to your 1800's time frame but one or two of them might save you
some trouble. In addition, the page has a great search engine.
Just as a matter of interest, I am told (I hope correctly) that there
were "several" consecutive Virginia Gazettes, the reason being that VA
law for a while specified that such and such legal action must be
"advertised in the Virginia Gazette." Therefore, every time a VA
Gazette went broke or out of business, somebody would open a new one by
the same name.
Re Wills.....gee, I don't know any way to make this one easy but the
only one I think we are specifically looking for is this 1771 estate
division of Wm Poythress....and I'm thinking that the accession # might
be an easy handle by which to find it (# 22483). The LVA index page on
this document doesn't list a county but the usual suspects are
Prince George, Dinwiddie and Amelia in 1771. The Poythress crowd seemed
to always be south of the river which got created into Prince George in
1702 so if you're having to go by county, I would think Chas. City would
be far down the list looking for 1771 material.
The tough part about your question "any others" is that I don't know
that we even know what we are missing in most instances. Since no one
sent me any "adders" to that database that I maintain, I suppose you
could assume that list is "all we have" and the stuff that would be of
interest is "anything else" with the surname on it. If you don't still
have that list I can send you a copy.
Also, others on the wire might have some specifics and I hope they won't
be shy.
Happy hunting tomorrow. And many, many thanks.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:03 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
You are in luck Maynard, because I am indeed going to Richmond this
Saturday. I've been wanting to go since December, and I go to Richmond
all
the time, but usually with my children. And I haven't had a free
Saturday
for awhile. So I reserved this Saturday on my calendar a few weeks ago
and
told everyone I am not available because I am going to the archives!! 🙂
I printed off the pages I posted earlier about Poythress to see how much
I
could find. I do plan to get a few Jones things, like Zachariah Jones
will,
and other stuff like that if you saw it on the Mecklenburg web site, for
that 98th Regt. area where I'm convinced everyone was related by blood
or
marriage 🙂 . I also have a stack of Poythress stuff to look up, of
stuff
earlier I posted. There were a few newspaper pages I wanted to try and
find
too about Poythress in VA. In early 1800's.
I don't have the list in front of me, but I'll print this email and put
it
at the top of the stack of "to find" stuff. To help me though, does
anyone
have in their notes which specific county this division of estate below
is
for William Poythress?
And what I don't get on this trip, I hope it won't be too long before
the
next trip. I only live 50 minutes away, so it shouldn't be as hard as
it's
been to get there. In my opinion, it's really a heaven if you love
books,
history and a good library. It's a great haven from DC metropolitan
traffic
🙂
I saw that you all have many of the wills, so let me know which ones you
don't have, like this one below, and which county, and I'll go get it as
soon as possible.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:07 PM
Subject: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
> Julie, I think I've found the one you referred to.
>
> It's on the LVA "Index to Wills and Administrations: Catalog file."
> It's: Archives Division Accession No. 22483. My guess would be it's
> not the actual will as the onsite index page refers to it as "Division
> of Estate - 1771." These typically aren't as good as the will itself
> but they are a whole lot better than nothing and are often darn good
> themselves.
>
> The listing goes on to say: "Part of index to wills not listed in
> Virginia Wills and Administrations, 1632-1800 (Torrance).
>
> I'm posting this detail in the hope that it may put someone on the
trail
> who can get us a copy - hint, hint.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/20/2005 4:27:43
newspaper articles and library of VA
Julie Cabitto
Maynard
I like your suggestion. I will bring the list with me of wills that you do
have, and then if I see something else not on the list I can go get it. I
know by 1840's you have to look by county, but some really early stuff is
just filed by the state of VA. Personally I just like to walk up to a worker
and say "where's this will, I have no clue where to look?" and they usually
hand me a microfilm within a minute. There are huge file cabinet drawers by
county, but I think I remember seeing a Charles City drawer. I will probably
start with things like this William Poythress listing, and then all the
pages I printed from the website that give the microfilm roll and page
numbers, because then I get a lot of records in one trip. Then there's the
whole room that isn't on microfilm indexed yet, with county info. That's
where I got all my Jones and Dortch chancery cases. I didn't think records
existed for them, because I didn't see them on microfilms titled "index to
chancery cases", but they just weren't on microfilm indexes yet. In fact
they aren't microfilmed yet. You hold the real documents. Holding David
Dortch's record from 1780 made my heart race a little faster than it
should've because I was afraid I would break the red wax seal on it or
something!! I think if all of us went there and spent a week there, we
probably still wouldn't have found all the VA Poythress records! And maybe
that's why I like it. So every trip I'll look for Poythress stuff and post
it. And I have a scanner and can send JPEGS of images. Oh, the way I found
these things in the "old room", was they are posting the info on the
website. Most things on the website are not listed on indexes on microfilms
(like the chancery cases). The web site is like a second index. At least
that's what the workers told me.
The newspapers I refer to are not actually these court records. I think this
may be a huge resource for this list. It is called the Henley indexes, and
he started an index of marriage announcements, and obits etc. I actually
can't find the two I was going to look up for sure. I put them in the "to be
filed stack" and it got a little too big. But today I will be sorting
through lots of stuff (and filing in the process) to make sure I have
everything I need. And then I need to check the computer files 🙂 I'm a
computer girl when it comes to genealogy, but have to have paper for those
that aren't doing computers (grandparents) and for trips to visit places. So
anyhow,....I do know I plan to look up two marriages announcement articles
for Poythress girls, in Virginia. I bring a big stack of stuff to look up,
because sometimes I get there and find out there aren't records available
that I had planned on getting. Like one trip I wanted to get some records
for 1900 and very few records existed that year...(didn't keep death/birth
records for budget reasons)
Another big source I plan to get is a book of Nottoway Parish records and it
also has Bristol Parish. I can't remember if Poythress were there or not,
but I keep seeing these Parishes listed on a few branches of my trees. I
will definitely let you know if there are, or aren't Poythress of any type
spelling in there.
So if you can't tell, I'm looking forward to my trip, and I'll post stuff
on Monday.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
> Ah, what a sweetheart you are Julie.
>
> Re old newspapers....although you said early 1800's it still jogged me
> to ask if you know that all the old issues of The Virginia Gazette are
> digitally reproduced at W&M's "Past Portals" site....
> http://www.pastportal.com/browse/vg/ . I know most of these will be
> prior to your 1800's time frame but one or two of them might save you
> some trouble. In addition, the page has a great search engine.
>
> Just as a matter of interest, I am told (I hope correctly) that there
> were "several" consecutive Virginia Gazettes, the reason being that VA
> law for a while specified that such and such legal action must be
> "advertised in the Virginia Gazette." Therefore, every time a VA
> Gazette went broke or out of business, somebody would open a new one by
> the same name.
>
> Re Wills.....gee, I don't know any way to make this one easy but the
> only one I think we are specifically looking for is this 1771 estate
> division of Wm Poythress....and I'm thinking that the accession # might
> be an easy handle by which to find it (# 22483). The LVA index page on
> this document doesn't list a county but the usual suspects are
> Prince George, Dinwiddie and Amelia in 1771. The Poythress crowd seemed
> to always be south of the river which got created into Prince George in
> 1702 so if you're having to go by county, I would think Chas. City would
> be far down the list looking for 1771 material.
>
> The tough part about your question "any others" is that I don't know
> that we even know what we are missing in most instances. Since no one
> sent me any "adders" to that database that I maintain, I suppose you
> could assume that list is "all we have" and the stuff that would be of
> interest is "anything else" with the surname on it. If you don't still
> have that list I can send you a copy.
>
> Also, others on the wire might have some specifics and I hope they won't
> be shy.
>
> Happy hunting tomorrow. And many, many thanks.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:03 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
>
> You are in luck Maynard, because I am indeed going to Richmond this
> Saturday. I've been wanting to go since December, and I go to Richmond
> all
> the time, but usually with my children. And I haven't had a free
> Saturday
> for awhile. So I reserved this Saturday on my calendar a few weeks ago
> and
> told everyone I am not available because I am going to the archives!! 🙂
>
> I printed off the pages I posted earlier about Poythress to see how much
> I
> could find. I do plan to get a few Jones things, like Zachariah Jones
> will,
> and other stuff like that if you saw it on the Mecklenburg web site, for
>
> that 98th Regt. area where I'm convinced everyone was related by blood
> or
> marriage 🙂 . I also have a stack of Poythress stuff to look up, of
> stuff
> earlier I posted. There were a few newspaper pages I wanted to try and
> find
> too about Poythress in VA. In early 1800's.
>
> I don't have the list in front of me, but I'll print this email and put
> it
> at the top of the stack of "to find" stuff. To help me though, does
> anyone
> have in their notes which specific county this division of estate below
> is
> for William Poythress?
>
> And what I don't get on this trip, I hope it won't be too long before
> the
> next trip. I only live 50 minutes away, so it shouldn't be as hard as
> it's
> been to get there. In my opinion, it's really a heaven if you love
> books,
> history and a good library. It's a great haven from DC metropolitan
> traffic
> 🙂
>
> I saw that you all have many of the wills, so let me know which ones you
>
> don't have, like this one below, and which county, and I'll go get it as
>
> soon as possible.
> Love,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:07 PM
> Subject: Wm Poythress 1771 Will
>
>
>> Julie, I think I've found the one you referred to.
>>
>> It's on the LVA "Index to Wills and Administrations: Catalog file."
>> It's: Archives Division Accession No. 22483. My guess would be it's
>> not the actual will as the onsite index page refers to it as "Division
>> of Estate - 1771." These typically aren't as good as the will itself
>> but they are a whole lot better than nothing and are often darn good
>> themselves.
>>
>> The listing goes on to say: "Part of index to wills not listed in
>> Virginia Wills and Administrations, 1632-1800 (Torrance).
>>
>> I'm posting this detail in the hope that it may put someone on the
> trail
>> who can get us a copy - hint, hint.
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
05/20/2005 6:32:02
R. Bolling Batte Papers
John M. Poythress
Julie, I have pasted below the P. material from the R. Bolling Batte
"papers" (not to be confused with RBB Cards, RBB Chart, etc.
The LVA website indicates that there are no restrictions on accessing
this material.
Maynard
o Poythress Box: 18 Folder: 1
o Poythress - Binders (Flowerdew Hundred) Box: 18 Folder: 2
o Poythress Chart Box: 18 Folder: 3
o Poythress (P-1) Chart Box: 18 Folder: 4
o Poythress - County Record Extracts (Amelia, Surry, Petersburg,
Sussex) Box: 18 Folder: 5
o Poythress of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Box: 18 Folder: 6
o Poythress - Extracts from Charles City Records Box: 18 Folder: 7
o Poythress - Extracts from Prince George Records Box: 18 Folder:
8
o Poythress - Extracts from Printed Material Box: 18 Folder: 9
o Poythress Material from Miss Peebles Box: 18 Folder: 10
o Poythress Notes - 2nd Set Box: 18 Folder: 11
o Poythress - Old "142" Charts Box: 18 Folder: 12
o Poythress - Peebles Notes (Not Checked) Box: 18 Folder: 13
o Poythress - Photo Records Box: 18 Folder: 14
o Poythress - Sources and Index Box: 18 Folder: 15
o Poythress - Surveys Box: 18 Folder: 16
o Poythress Will, 1724 Box: 18 Folder: 17
o Poythress - Write Up Drafts Box: 18 Folder: 18
05/20/2005 10:31:38
Lewis Poythress chancery case in 1820
Julie Cabitto
I saw this listing and was wondering if you all had it. This was something I planned to at least order tomorrow. There is a maximum pages you can copy of these chancery records in the same day. Last time I ordered several cases and just picked them up in about two weeks.
Anyhow, there is a Mecklenburg VA chancery case for Lewis Poythress, Edward Giles Admr. etc. 1820-012, so that means it was in the year 1820. Lewis didn't die until abt 1846, so wonder if this is regarding his father-in-laws estate? One way or the other, he is in this chancery to be pulled up on the index.
It takes time to order these things. So I can order this while I go print the newspaper pages I was looking for., And the William Poythress record 🙂
Thanks,
Julie
05/20/2005 12:01:21
Re: R. Bolling Batte Papers
Julie Cabitto
Does this mean you have gotten these off indexes but do not have a copy? I'm
printing this email to bring with me.
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: R. Bolling Batte Papers
> Julie, I have pasted below the P. material from the R. Bolling Batte
> "papers" (not to be confused with RBB Cards, RBB Chart, etc.
> The LVA website indicates that there are no restrictions on accessing
> this material.
>
> Maynard
> o Poythress Box: 18 Folder: 1
> o Poythress - Binders (Flowerdew Hundred) Box: 18 Folder: 2
> o Poythress Chart Box: 18 Folder: 3
> o Poythress (P-1) Chart Box: 18 Folder: 4
> o Poythress - County Record Extracts (Amelia, Surry, Petersburg,
> Sussex) Box: 18 Folder: 5
> o Poythress of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Box: 18 Folder: 6
> o Poythress - Extracts from Charles City Records Box: 18 Folder: 7
>
> o Poythress - Extracts from Prince George Records Box: 18 Folder:
> 8
> o Poythress - Extracts from Printed Material Box: 18 Folder: 9
> o Poythress Material from Miss Peebles Box: 18 Folder: 10
> o Poythress Notes - 2nd Set Box: 18 Folder: 11
> o Poythress - Old "142" Charts Box: 18 Folder: 12
> o Poythress - Peebles Notes (Not Checked) Box: 18 Folder: 13
> o Poythress - Photo Records Box: 18 Folder: 14
> o Poythress - Sources and Index Box: 18 Folder: 15
> o Poythress - Surveys Box: 18 Folder: 16
> o Poythress Will, 1724 Box: 18 Folder: 17
> o Poythress - Write Up Drafts Box: 18 Folder: 18
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
05/20/2005 12:25:02
VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Julie Cabitto
Poythress friends,
I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives. -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may be awhile before I can get this.
There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up later. (About a month)
__________________________________________________
I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. It has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
___________________________________________________
One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
Elizabeth Speed
Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
_____________________________________________________
Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family.
___________________________________________________
So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also interested in these, email me off the list.
I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
Poythress:
-Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
-Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
-Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Ann Poythress obit
-Caroline Poythress obit
Jones from 98th Regt.
-Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
-Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
-Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
-James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
-H. Anna Jones will and estate
-J. C. Jones will
-Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
-Letter written by Zachariah Jones
-Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
05/21/2005 2:06:36
VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Julie Cabitto
My computer said this didn't send, so I'm trying one more time.
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Poythress friends,
I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives. -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may be awhile before I can get this.
There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up later. (About a month)
__________________________________________________
I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. It has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
___________________________________________________
One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
Elizabeth Speed
Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
_____________________________________________________
Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family.
___________________________________________________
So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also interested in these, email me off the list.
I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
Poythress:
-Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
-Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
-Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Ann Poythress obit
-Caroline Poythress obit
Jones from 98th Regt.
-Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
-Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
-Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
-James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
-H. Anna Jones will and estate
-J. C. Jones will
-Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
-Letter written by Zachariah Jones
-Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
05/21/2005 2:10:19
RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
John M. Poythress
Well, with the single exception of the Wm P. stuff, looks like you did
some first class digging. Can't wait to see it all. Great job.
Thanks. Maynard
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From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Poythress friends,
I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of
William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the
State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took
some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of
VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't
currently in the archives. -And what's worse is, this building is only
open on Thursdays. So it may be awhile before I can get this.
There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only
copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to
pick up later. (About a month)
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I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's
dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that
everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts
were missing. It has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818),
Edward Giles will, and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing
that, and I can make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if
interested.
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One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are
in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on
paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married
William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other
children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
Elizabeth Speed
Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I
think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it
correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I
did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the
appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre
plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I
know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed.
I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I can't find
tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this
James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a family
cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress inherited
it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was. Only other
clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg County,
Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
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Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of
Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if
any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they
could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I
find for my family.
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So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also
interested in these, email me off the list.
I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
Poythress:
-Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
-Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
-Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Ann Poythress obit
-Caroline Poythress obit
Jones from 98th Regt.
-Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
-Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
-Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
-James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
-H. Anna Jones will and estate
-J. C. Jones will
-Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
-Letter written by Zachariah Jones
-Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding
the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
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05/22/2005 4:08:39
Richmond Poythress newspaper articles
Julie Cabitto
Here's the articles I told you about. I did actually print copies, if anyone wants a scanned copy, I do have a scanner. Not sure how great a scanning of a copy will turn out though...Here are the articles in their entirety. Pg= page and col= column #
Hope you enjoy. There are about 7 more articles I wrote down to get, so I'll get them next trip. Virginia Gazette is a different newspaper than Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle.
Love,
Julie
Petersburg Index & Appeal (film # 106), Sept 19, 1876 pg. 2, col 2: (Julie's Note: on index shows up as Alexander but there are about 3 spaces between first name George and Middle name Alexander.)
Married:
Poythress-Davis-At the Virginia House, Christiansburg, VA Sept 16th, 1876, by the Reverend Daniel Blair, pastor Presbyterian Church, Prof. George Alexander Poythress of Petersburg, VA to Ella Mau Davis, of Galveston, TX. No cards.
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Richmond Enquirer, Oct 8, 1824 pg. 3, col#5
Departed this life on Friday the first of October in the eighth year of her age, Caroline Poythress, eldest daughter of Capt. Thomas E. Poythress of Charles City County.
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Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle, Sept 24, 1788 pg., 3, col 4, film #44
On Saturday last, Roger Atkinson jun., Esq. to Miss Agnes Poythress, of Prince George, 6th daughter of the late Peter Poythress.
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Virginia Gazette, June 28, 1780, film #44, reel#2
Marriages:
Mr. John Batte of Prince George to Miss Polly Poythress, daughter of Colonel Peter Poythress, of the same county.
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Richmond Enquirer, July 13, 1832, pg 3, col 6
Died:
On the 7th instant, at Kittiewan, in Charles City County, Anne Maria, the only child of Thomas E. and B. Poythress, in the 11th year of her age, with scarlet fever, after an illness of 36 hours.
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Petersburg Intelligencer Tues. Jan 28, 1806 pg. 3, col 1 (film #51) (Julie's note: Eppes was only spelled with one "P") :
On Thursday the 23rd inst. Mr. John Epes, to Lucy Poythress, both of Prince George County.
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05/22/2005 8:10:10
will of WL Poythress
Julie Cabitto
Don't know if you have this, but just in case, here it is. Not the best handwriting, so here's my best guess. Note: initials change for the witness. Note: James John Kidd (Jimmy) became Foxhall Poythress father-in-law after this will. I'm guessing he is the witness, just wrong middle initial listed?
Julie
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Will book 28, pg 347, year 1915
Will: WL Poythress Feby 2nd 1915
In the name of God amen (?). I W.L. Poythress being of a sound mind and knowing the uncertainty of life desining to make this my last will and testament. I give in fee simple to my son F. A. Poythress my entire worldly possessions.
W. L. Poythress
witnessed
W. E. Tanner (?)
J. G. Kidd
In the clerk's office of Mecklenburg Circuit court April 6th, 1915 the last will and testament of W. L. Poythress died, late of this county, was this day produced before the clerk of said court in his office by F A Poythress and was fully proved by WC Tanner, one of the subscribing witnesses thereto, and thereupon the said will was admitted to record, as the last will and testament of the said W. L. Poythress, died. (or deed?)
Teste H. F. Hutcheson, clerk
05/22/2005 8:19:25
The "Eight Misses Poythress"
Ted Kingsbury
I noticed an seeming contradiction on reading Julie's posting of the
marriage notices.
Virginia Gazette and Independent Chronicle, Sept 24, 1788 pg., 3, col 4,
film #44 On Saturday last, Roger Atkinson jun., Esq. to Miss Agnes
Poythress, of Prince George, 6th daughter of the late Peter Poythress.
This Agnes is my 4th great grandmother, so I was particularly interested in
her. The entry says "6th daughter...". According to RBB's dates, she is the
7th daughter:
Anne-1757, Elizabeth-1759, Mary "Polly"-1762, Lucy-1764, Sarah "Sally"-1768,
Susanna-1769, Agnes-1771, and Jane-1773.
I could just be a miscount on the part of the paper. Does anyone have any
info that might shed any light on this?
Thanks,
Ted Kingsbury
05/22/2005 12:22:16
chancery case with Lewis Poythress
Julie Cabitto
I know the list can't take attachments, but this was typed in Microsoft Word and pasted in here. If you get lots of the greater than and less than signs, let me know if you'd like me to resend it to you off list as an attachment.
Again, I'm not a handwriting expert, but I have been reading through a large number of cases, so I'm getting a little more familiar with the language. I will type and spell as the case shows. Unless I see an abbreviated name, word like "s" with the high "d" I would write as "said", and W with a high "M" I would write as William. Words I really wasn't sure about, I italicized, underlined and followed with a question mark. I've proofread this several times so I think it's ready to send now. Might want to view on full page for easier reading.
Julie
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Lewis Poythress vs Edward Giles Adm. etc 1820-012
page one
Lewis Poythress adm. of John Poythress Exr. apt. Edward Giles administrator of Edward Giles deed. Examine will of Edward Giles Sr. and of John Poythress and bring a will in chancery for a decree left by Edward Giles Sr. to John Poythress and which was willed by J. P. to Lewis Poythress.
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The commonwealth of Virginia to the Sheriff of Mecklenburg County, Greetings. You are hereby commanded to summon Edward Giles, administrator of Edward Giles deceased & Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles, Jane B. Bassey, John Giles, William Giles legator of deed, Edward Giles, said. to appear before the justices of our county court of Mecklenburg at the courthouse of the said county on the first day of August __________(written as a blank to fill in) Court next to answer a bill in chancery against them by Lewis Poythress, adm. pf John Poythress deceased, and then they in no wise shall miss under the penalty of 100$.
And then have there this writ witness Edward S. Tabb, clerk of our said court the 27th day of June 1820 in the ____(written blank to be filled in) year of the commonwealth.
Edward S. Tabb
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page 2:
28 of July 1820 Executed on Martha Giles. And on the 31st of July 1820 Executed on Edward Giles and Milly Nance, Edward Poythress and Jane B. Basey and William Giles and John Giles.
No inhabitants of this county
Jones Daly
Deputy of Lewis Parham Sheriff
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Docket/back part of page 3:
Poythress Vs. Giles
1820 August Bill filed, no further step take notice
Sept court at ruler
October rules. (some fees calculated)
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page 3:
To the worshipful court of Mecklenburg County in chancery setting humbly complaining sheweth to your worship, your orator Lewis Poythress, that some time past a certain Edward Giles departed this life having first published his will which is of record in the county court office of Mecklenburg, and is here referred to, wherein he bequeathed to John Poythress a legacy of one hundred dollars. That some time after the death of Edward Giles, the said John Poythress died having first published his will wherein he bequeathed the said legacy to your orator, -which is also of record and is here referred to as a part of this bill.-
That a certain Edward Giles Jr. qualified as Exr. on the estate of Edward Giles the testator. That frequent applications have been made to the said (?) aforesaid both by the said John Poythress during his lifetime and by your orator since his death for a payment of the legacy aforesaid which he has always refused. That the other herein entitled as legators of the said Edward Giles deed are Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles an infant, Jean B. Basey wife of Jesse Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles and William Giles.Your orator who has also qualified as administrator on the Estate of John Poythress pray that the said Edward Giles Exr. as aforesaid and the said Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles, by a guardian to be appointed her, Jesse Bassey and Jean B. Basey his wife, John Giles, the said Edward Giles in his own right and William Giles may be made defendants hereto. That the said Edward Giles Exr is aforesaid may be compelled to render an account paid, _?__ a!
nd dealings as Executor and trust for the what estate there is in his hands, belonging to the testator first mentioned. And finally that your worship will decree that he should pay your orator the said legacy of one hundred dollars with its interest to which end may it please your worship to award a writ of subpena.
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Docket, back part of page 4:
Copy of Jack Poythress will (the number 70 is circled and written underneath these words)
Poythress vs. Giles and Co.: Papers for suit in chancery.
subp to August Court.
Inquire of Lewis Poythress which of Edward Giles, Giles legators are married, and who are their husbands. Also as to the infant and is subpena in chancery.
Milly Nance of Virginia and single.
Edward Poythress of Virginia
Martha Giles infant, by John Nance guardian
Jean B. Bassey wife of Jesse Bassey
John Giles North Carolina
Edward Giles
William Giles Tennessee
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Pg. 4, will of Jack Poythress:
In the name of God Amen. I Jack Poythress of Mecklenburg County being in sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my last will and testament hearby. I desire what my grandfather Giles left to me. I wish it to be paid to my further his heir Lewis Poythress
Jack (his mark) Poythress L. S.
Edward Giles
James L. Nance
Milly Nance
The court held for Mecklenburg County the 17th day of Aug 1818
This will was hereby the oath of James L. Nance one of the witness is thereto & was ordered to be recorded at another court held for said County, the 18th day of Jan 1819. The same was further proved by the oath of Edward Giles another Witness thereto and in mention of Lewis Poythress who made oath recorded gave bill and a security according to law. Certificate was granted him for obtaining letters for administration of the estate of the said Jack Poythress with the will aforesaid __?___ in deed form. (?)
Teste Edmund L. Tabbs (?)
Meckl. teste (?) BB Easley D.O.
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page 5:
In a court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818, The within written last will and Testament of Edward Giles deceased was exhibited in court and proved by the oath of three witnesses thereto subscribed and ordered to be recorded. And in mention of Edward Giles Jr., one of the Exrs therein named who made oath and gave bond and security according to law- certificate is granted him for obtaining probate of the said will in due form-Reserving (?) liberty to the other Exr. to be in the probate where he shall think fit.
Teste Edward L Tabb
Clerk Teste Wm. R. Easleys
Copy Edward Giles will 79 (or 70) circles
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page 6: Will of Edward Giles (Note: some parts very faded and ink ran. Hard to read)
In the name of Almighty God, Amen. I Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County said state of Virginia doth make this my last will and testament . It is my will and desire that all my just debts and funeral expenses be first paid from the sale of my estates crop of tobacco B____ (beans?) & corn remaining in h___d and after these debts are paid It is my will and desire that all my remaining property both real and personal be sold on twelve month circuit and from the moneys earning from such sale or sales to be distributed as follows.
Item first I give and bequeath unto my grand daughter Milly Nance two hundred dollars to her and her heirs
Item second. I give and bequeath to my grandson Edward Poythress twenty five dollars to him and to his heirs.
Item 3rd. I give & bequeath to my grandson John Poythress one hundred dollars to him and to his heirs.
Item 4th. I give & bequeath to my grand daughter Martha Giles, daughter of my daughter Betsey P. Giles two hundred dollars to her and to her heirs.
Item 5th and last. After all my just debts and funeral expenses and the above sequences are first paid it is my will and desire that the remainder of my estate be equally divided amongst my four living children Jean P. Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles, and William Giles to each of them and their heirs. Given under my hand this 10th day of March 1818. I appoint Edward Giles Jr and John Bassey Exrs. to this my last will and testament.
Signed and Sealed in presence of
Edward (his mark) Giles L. S.
Bushrod Webb
John Cook Sr.
Henry (his mark) Wartman
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This is all left of the chancery case. No reply by Edward to the charges, no hearings, no proof of payment on either side. But this is what is in the chancery case. It is great that it has two will though.
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
05/22/2005 12:35:56
questions about Lewis Poythress chancery
Julie Cabitto
I'm still learning Poythress connections, so I wanted to ask about the people in the chancery case. So is this Lewis Poythress in the chancery case the Lewis that married Elizabeth Patsey Giles and Rebecca Taylor?
So if this is the same Lewis.... Is Lewis first wife Elizabeth Giles a cousin or something since his grandfather was Edward Giles Sr.?
How is Edward Poythress related? Since he's in the same generation as Lewis, is he a brother? Also if Martha Giles is daughter of Betsey Giles, does that mean Betsey didn't marry? Or does that mean she married someone with the same name? I also thought it odd that Edward Poythress got 25$ when other men were getting 100$. I understand why the girls got a little more, like for dowry. I wonder if that means Edward was already doing well financially so he didn't need as much??
Also, the chancery case says John Poythress is Lewis father. Who is Lewis mother? Is she the Giles?
Any relationship help with this Giles/Poythress family will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Julie
05/23/2005 4:21:37
RE: questions about Lewis Poythress chancery
Lyn Baird
Julie, it can get confusing, can't it. Let me offer some guidance from
memory, and the rest of you chime in and correct with the facts. 🙂
1) Lewis Poythress marries Elizabeth Giles, daughter of Edward Giles; to
them are born sons Edward and John.
2) Elizabeth dies; Lewis Poythress marries Rebecca Taylor.
3) Edward Giles expires, leaving grandson, John, $100.
4) John dies in youth, before his grandfather's estate is settled, and
leaves his Giles inheritance to his father, Lewis.
5) Lewis goes to court to get posession of the $100.
Regarding "daughter of my daughter Betsey P. Giles", I don't know. Perhaps
we have a Giles-Giles union here, or Martha is born out of wedlock.
Regarding Edward's smaller bequest, I have not seen an explanation offered
as to why he got 1/4 of what his brother received.
Congratulations lining all these records out together; the first time I
recall seeing them all on one page; and very nice transcribing, too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:22 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: questions about Lewis Poythress chancery
I'm still learning Poythress connections, so I wanted to ask about the
people in the chancery case. So is this Lewis Poythress in the chancery case
the Lewis that married Elizabeth Patsey Giles and Rebecca Taylor?
So if this is the same Lewis.... Is Lewis first wife Elizabeth Giles a
cousin or something since his grandfather was Edward Giles Sr.?
How is Edward Poythress related? Since he's in the same generation as Lewis,
is he a brother? Also if Martha Giles is daughter of Betsey Giles, does that
mean Betsey didn't marry? Or does that mean she married someone with the
same name? I also thought it odd that Edward Poythress got 25$ when other
men were getting 100$. I understand why the girls got a little more, like
for dowry. I wonder if that means Edward was already doing well financially
so he didn't need as much??
Also, the chancery case says John Poythress is Lewis father. Who is Lewis
mother? Is she the Giles?
Any relationship help with this Giles/Poythress family will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Julie
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05/26/2005 6:02:26
RE: will of WL Poythress
Lyn Baird
Julie, I don't recall seeing this one before, or a death date for him.
Thanks so much for sharing.
For others on this list, this is William Lewis Poythress, son of Thomas M.
Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg.
I wonder if the other witness might have been William Tanner, husband of
Sallie Poythress and thus brother-in-law of William Lewis Poythress? I have
him down as William H. Tanner, but that middle initial is always tricky. By
then William and Sallie would be occupying the Poythress "home place" at
Blackridge.
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Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:19 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: will of WL Poythress
Don't know if you have this, but just in case, here it is. Not the best
handwriting, so here's my best guess. Note: initials change for the witness.
Note: James John Kidd (Jimmy) became Foxhall Poythress father-in-law after
this will. I'm guessing he is the witness, just wrong middle initial listed?
Julie
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Will book 28, pg 347, year 1915
Will: WL Poythress Feby 2nd 1915
In the name of God amen (?). I W.L. Poythress being of a sound mind and
knowing the uncertainty of life desining to make this my last will and
testament. I give in fee simple to my son F. A. Poythress my entire worldly
possessions.
W. L. Poythress
witnessed
W. E. Tanner (?)
J. G. Kidd
In the clerk's office of Mecklenburg Circuit court April 6th, 1915 the last
will and testament of W. L. Poythress died, late of this county, was this
day produced before the clerk of said court in his office by F A Poythress
and was fully proved by WC Tanner, one of the subscribing witnesses thereto,
and thereupon the said will was admitted to record, as the last will and
testament of the said W. L. Poythress, died. (or deed?) Teste H. F.
Hutcheson, clerk
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05/26/2005 6:11:07
RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Lyn Baird
Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and Rebecca
Poythress are buried.
We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that one of
them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the location of his
homestead and his grave.
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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Poythress friends,
I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of William
Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records
center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile
to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been
entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives.
-And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may be
awhile before I can get this.
There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy so
many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up
later. (About a month) __________________________________________________
I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's dated
1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything
regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing. It
has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and
one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy
to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
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One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in
it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on
paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married
William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other
children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
Elizabeth Speed
Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I think
the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly)
This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today
though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal fee,
surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse
road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams
started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my
relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my
family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I
was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and
Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the
family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of
Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
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Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah
Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of them
could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried
with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family.
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So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also
interested in these, email me off the list.
I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
Poythress:
-Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
-Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
-Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
-Ann Poythress obit
-Caroline Poythress obit
Jones from 98th Regt.
-Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
-Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
-Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
-James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
-H. Anna Jones will and estate
-J. C. Jones will
-Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
-Letter written by Zachariah Jones
-Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the
homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
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05/26/2005 6:17:10
RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Lyn Baird
Julie, some of those family cemeteries just get lost. For example, you and
I share kinship with Rebecca Kidd Cannon, as we have discussed. I know
where she and her husband are buried because as a boy I was shown their
marked graves. Today it's a plowed field, the markers are gone. I don't
know how it happened, and yet I do. Today, with +70% of that area in
timber, and highly mechanized harvesting methods, cemeteries that have
"grown over" and are poorly marked are especially vulnerable. Having made
those gloomy statements, I will add that old family cemeteries do turn up.
I myself have been fortunate enough to bring one to light. So let's keep
researching.
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Subject: Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a
scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better?
Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah
Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure
Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their son-in-law.
It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried
there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves.
I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried
either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single
headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones
families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great
Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers
Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I
ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially of
Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll
have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's son
William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be
daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only
one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a family
cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some forests
now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now...
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
> Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and
> Rebecca Poythress are buried.
>
> We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that
> one of them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the
> location of his homestead and his grave.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
>
> Poythress friends,
>
> I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of
> William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the
> State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took
> some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library
> of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't
> currently in the archives.
> -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it
> may be awhile before I can get this.
>
> There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only
> copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied
> to pick up later. (About a month)
> __________________________________________________
> I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's
> dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that
> everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts
> were missing.
> It
> has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will,
> and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can
> make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
> ___________________________________________________
> One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress
> are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found
> Newman on paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress
> who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
> Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other
> children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
> Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
> Elizabeth Speed
> Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
>
> It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I
> think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it
> correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me.
> I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid
> the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126
> acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that
> is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was
> never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I
> can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can
> follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a
> family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress
> inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was.
> Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg
> County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
> _____________________________________________________
> Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of
> Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if
> any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they
> could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I
> find for my family.
> ___________________________________________________
> So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also
> interested in these, email me off the list.
>
> I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
>
> Poythress:
> -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
>
> -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
>
> -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Ann Poythress obit
>
> -Caroline Poythress obit
>
> Jones from 98th Regt.
> -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
>
> -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
>
> -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
>
> -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
>
> -H. Anna Jones will and estate
>
> -J. C. Jones will
>
> -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
>
> -Letter written by Zachariah Jones
>
> -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding
> the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more
> about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Visit www.poythress.net
o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
05/27/2005 3:21:34
Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Julie Cabitto
Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a
scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better?
Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah
Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure
Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their son-in-law.
It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried
there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves.
I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried
either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single
headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones
families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great
Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers
Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I
ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially of
Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll
have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's son
William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be
daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only
one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a family
cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some forests
now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now...
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
> Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and Rebecca
> Poythress are buried.
>
> We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that one
> of
> them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the location of his
> homestead and his grave.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
>
> Poythress friends,
>
> I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of
> William
> Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the State records
> center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took some people awhile
> to find out where it was. Fortunately the library of VA web site has been
> entering records for VA even ones that aren't currently in the archives.
> -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it may
> be
> awhile before I can get this.
>
> There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only copy
> so
> many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied to pick up
> later. (About a month) __________________________________________________
> I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's
> dated
> 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that everything
> regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts were missing.
> It
> has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will, and
> one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can make a copy
> to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
> ___________________________________________________
> One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress are in
> it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found Newman on
> paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress who married
> William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
> Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other
> children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
> Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
> Elizabeth Speed
> Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
>
> It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I
> think
> the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it correctly)
> This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me. I did today
> though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid the appraisal
> fee,
> surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126 acre plots. Courthouse
> road runs through it. (Any one know where that is??) I know Munsey Adams
> started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was never printed. I hope some of my
> relatives are in there, because I can't find tombstones for most of my
> family in Mecklenburg. If I can follow this James Speed land enough, ...if
> I
> was really lucky, maybe a family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer
> and
> Sarah Poythress inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the
> family was. Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of
> Mecklenburg County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
> _____________________________________________________
> Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of Sarah
> Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if any of
> them
> could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they could be buried
> with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I find for my family.
> ___________________________________________________
> So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also
> interested in these, email me off the list.
>
> I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
>
> Poythress:
> -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
>
> -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
>
> -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
>
> -Ann Poythress obit
>
> -Caroline Poythress obit
>
> Jones from 98th Regt.
> -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
>
> -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
>
> -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
>
> -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
>
> -H. Anna Jones will and estate
>
> -J. C. Jones will
>
> -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
>
> -Letter written by Zachariah Jones
>
> -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding the
> homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
05/27/2005 8:43:07
SAR Library
John M. Poythress
Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned
that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at
www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the
search engine. Up popped this one:
The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and
Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents."
Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian
which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the
SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence."
This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the
SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of
members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't
had much luck with them in the past.
Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3
blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple
of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend
so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so??
And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a
particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just
look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell
me what you want and I'll run it down for you.
Maynard
05/27/2005 11:55:32
Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
Julie Cabitto
I will definitely keep looking!
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
> Julie, some of those family cemeteries just get lost. For example, you
> and
> I share kinship with Rebecca Kidd Cannon, as we have discussed. I know
> where she and her husband are buried because as a boy I was shown their
> marked graves. Today it's a plowed field, the markers are gone. I don't
> know how it happened, and yet I do. Today, with +70% of that area in
> timber, and highly mechanized harvesting methods, cemeteries that have
> "grown over" and are poorly marked are especially vulnerable. Having made
> those gloomy statements, I will add that old family cemeteries do turn up.
> I myself have been fortunate enough to bring one to light. So let's keep
> researching.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:43 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
>
> Thank you Lyn for all your great answers to my questions. Would you like a
> scanned copy of the will to see the witness name better?
>
> Also, would you be interested in the deed where all of John Gray and Sarah
> Elizabeth Jones children signed it over to Nannie and Jimmy Kidd. I'm sure
> Foxhall Poythress spent a bit of time at this house, being their
> son-in-law.
>
> It is on Nelly Jones Rd. Nelly Brooks Jones and Frederick Jones are buried
> there, on the edge of the forest as well as 6 unmarked graves.
>
> I'm bummed that you, a local, doesn't know where the family is buried
> either. I realize they were all farmers, but I cannot find a single
> headstone for over at least 80 % of my family. My Dortch and Gray/Jones
> families that intermarried with Poythress were all living between Great
> Creek and Miles Creek, in pre revolution days (according to Early Settlers
> Mecklenburg Co. VA books) where our families still were in the 1900's. I
> ordered some deed microfilms to see if I can follow some land, especially
> of
> Newman Dortch inheriting John Speed's property (his father-in-law). I'll
> have to see the chancery to see if he really did get the land. Newman's
> son
> William Archer Dortch married Sally Poythress who we all think may be
> daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. William would be the only
> one who I think could have inherited the land. It would be my hope a
> family
> cemetery would be there on the old plantation, maybe hidden in some
> forests
> now? Ok, you guys can all think I'm crazy now...
> Love,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyn Baird"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: RE: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
>
>
>> Julie, in answer to your question, we don't know where Lewis and
>> Rebecca Poythress are buried.
>>
>> We do know he left his Mecklenburg land to two sons. It appears that
>> one of them, Thomas M., stayed on the land, and we do know the
>> location of his homestead and his grave.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:07 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: VA archives trip today-Poythress and other Mecklenburg
>>
>> Poythress friends,
>>
>> I'll start with the bad news. Maynard, the record for the estate of
>> William Poythress is not in the archives building, but rather in the
>> State records center on Charles City Rd. abt 10 minutes away. It took
>> some people awhile to find out where it was. Fortunately the library
>> of VA web site has been entering records for VA even ones that aren't
>> currently in the archives.
>> -And what's worse is, this building is only open on Thursdays. So it
>> may be awhile before I can get this.
>>
>> There were a couple microfilms out on inter-library loan. I can only
>> copy so many chancery cases per day, so I ordered a few to be copied
>> to pick up later. (About a month)
>> __________________________________________________
>> I did copy the chancery case of Lewis Poythress vs. Edward Giles. It's
>> dated 1820-012. It isn't complete though. The library said that
>> everything regarding the case is in the folder, and they agreed parts
>> were missing.
>> It
>> has a complaint, the will of Jack Poythress (1818), Edward Giles will,
>> and one other court paper. I'll start transcribing that, and I can
>> make a copy to go to the Poythress web site if interested.
>> ___________________________________________________
>> One other chancery case may be of interest even though no Poythress
>> are in it. It is Martha Moss vs. Newman Dortch. (I finally found
>> Newman on paper!!!!! 🙂 Newman was father-in-law to Sarah Poythress
>> who married William Archer Dortch. Here's a quick summary:
>> Martha Moss says her father James Speed has died. She says his other
>> children are entitled equally to his estate. She lists siblings as:
>> Sally Dortch, wife of Newman Dortch
>> Elizabeth Speed
>> Mary Dortch, wife of Lewis Dortch.
>>
>> It appears Newman was given the homestead of his father-in-law? And I
>> think the court says he can move into the house. (If I understood it
>> correctly) This is a case I ordered for the photo lab to copy for me.
>> I did today though get a copy of the plat of James Speed. Newman paid
>> the appraisal fee, surveyed 25 Sep 1821. There are two adjoining 126
>> acre plots. Courthouse road runs through it. (Any one know where that
>> is??) I know Munsey Adams started a 3rd cemetery book, but it was
>> never printed. I hope some of my relatives are in there, because I
>> can't find tombstones for most of my family in Mecklenburg. If I can
>> follow this James Speed land enough, ...if I was really lucky, maybe a
>> family cemetery there? Or maybe William Archer and Sarah Poythress
>> inherited it??? It's the best clue I've got to where the family was.
>> Only other clue I have is in the book: Early settlers of Mecklenburg
>> County, Dortch's owned land on Miles Creek.
>> _____________________________________________________
>> Does anyone know where Lewis Poythress is buried (possible father of
>> Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch?) Cause I wonder if
>> any of them could be buried together. And I wonder even more if they
>> could be buried with a tombstone instead of the normal field stones I
>> find for my family.
>> ___________________________________________________
>> So here's what I did find. I'll list non-Poythress too, and if also
>> interested in these, email me off the list.
>>
>> I'll type up and post the Poythress newspaper articles soon.
>>
>> Poythress:
>> -Alexander Poythress marriage -newspaper
>>
>> -Lucy Poythress marriage-newspaper
>>
>> -Will of W L Poythress -2 Feb 1915
>>
>> -Agnes Poythress marriage-newspaper
>>
>> -Polly Poythress marriage-newspaper
>>
>> -Ann Poythress obit
>>
>> -Caroline Poythress obit
>>
>> Jones from 98th Regt.
>> -Will and estate of Zack H. Jones July 17, 1882 (2 pgs)
>>
>> -Will of Isaac H. Jones Sep 1875 (2 pgs)
>>
>> -Nelly Brooks Jones chancery case, including plat
>>
>> -James B. Jones will/estate abt. 4 pgs
>>
>> -H. Anna Jones will and estate
>>
>> -J. C. Jones will
>>
>> -Pamelia Rottenberry Jones will (wife of Zachariah Jones)
>>
>> -Letter written by Zachariah Jones
>>
>> -Land record for John Gray and Sarah Elizabeth Jones children deeding
>> the homestead to Nannie Gray and Jimmy Kidd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more
>> about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
05/28/2005 2:25:49
Re: SAR Library & Betty Lawrence's books
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Maynard, for the info about SAR's online access.
Betty Lawrence's husband is/was very active in SAR; Betty was President
of her chapter of United Daughters of the Confederacy; she died in Aug
1993.
Her "Unrevised History of the War for Southern Independence" is a
457-page (including a 13-page index) hard-bound book that her husband
published in 1995. It was printed for him by "Larksdale" (no location
given). It has ISBN 0-89896-431-8 and its copyright shows: Thomas U.
Lawrence, 1995. The book is dedicated to their son.
Her earlier books, including the Poythress one, were published by her
husband, Dr. Tom Lawrence, from home (as Mt. Barton Publishers). A copy
of her book on the Poythress family is already owned by me & I think by
numerous other List subscribers. Unless SAR has actually bound their own
copy, it is printed on copier-paper & is in a notebook-type of binder.
BPN
05/28/2005 8:29:02
Re: Pleasant Hill
koswcartist
Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: Pleasant Hill
> I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for
James
> Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church.
I
> wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw
the
> church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance
Betty
> was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member
of
> the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info.
Last
> July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take
> pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the
> Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara
> I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this list.
>
> Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I
asked,
> and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll
> have to go back and reread her letters.
>
> One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they
> were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth
> pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little Indian
> pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :).
> I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long black
> Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only
Glover
> generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover branches
> and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors.
> Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so
you
> didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in
> another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we
have
> no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity,
I'm
> glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the
> government chose for her.
>
> Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is
> another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to
Charles
> Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County.
Richard
> and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd
> (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of
you
> not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And
this
> is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even still
> today.
>
> So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how
> definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this
> area so late as 1860's?
> Love,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teresa Willis"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie,
> > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's
> > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family research
> > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys
Morris
> > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister.
> > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange?
> > Teresa
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Cabitto"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> >
> >
> >> Theresa,
> >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to
> >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's
> >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's
> >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son of
> >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness.
You
> >> can still see the stars here 🙂
> >> Love
> >> Julie
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Teresa Willis"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> >>
> >>
> >>> Julie,
> >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few times
a
> >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I
can
> >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
> >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest
children
> >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course
> >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops.
> >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, &
> >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my
> >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
> >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hey everyone,
> >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to
let
> >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
> >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress
> >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can
> >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my
> >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to
> >>>> William Archer Dortch.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
> >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you
> >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in
the
> >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
> >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
> >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields.
> >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed
up
> >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I
> >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure
> >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge
> >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6
> >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history!
On
> >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days after
> >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which
> >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned
of
> >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but
I
> >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole street
> >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the
flooding
> >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't loose
a
> >>>> thing to flooding.
> >>>>
> >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
> >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting
electricity.
> >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
> >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
> >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking
pictures
> >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had gotten
> >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden
> >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing traps
> >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
> >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on
> >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in the
> >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington
> >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of
the
> >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and that
> >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA, over
> >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times.
> >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other precious
> >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used
for
> >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own
> >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the
> >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that
happens
> >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like Fran)
> >>>> about every 25 ye!
> >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
> >>>> river...
> >>>>
> >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel
the
> >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
> >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
> >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil
> >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets as
> >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing tobacco
> >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
> >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
> >>>> strong undercurrents and tides.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
> >>>> Love
> >>>> Julie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> >>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> >>>> www.poythress.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> >>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> >>> www.poythress.net
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> >> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> >> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
05/30/2005 1:50:02
Re: SAR Library
koswcartist
one of my meridian relatives got me a copy of Betty Lawrence's book. She was
a very dedicated researcher on the family in the 60s and 70s and later in
our line. She interviewed all the living Poythress at the time. she did use
documented references, but a few errors creeped in. I believe her husband
and/or son were named Tom so i dont know who carried on after her death.
PK
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: SAR Library
> Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned
> that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at
> www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the
> search engine. Up popped this one:
>
> http://sar.library.net/TLCScripts/interpac.dll?LabelDisplay&RecordNumber
> =4293610&DB=1&FormId=581-1440&ItemField=1&Config=7099&Branch=0
>
> The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and
> Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents."
> Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian
> which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the
> SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence."
>
> This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the
> SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of
> members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't
> had much luck with them in the past.
>
> Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3
> blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple
> of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend
> so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so??
>
> And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a
> particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just
> look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell
> me what you want and I'll run it down for you.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
05/30/2005 1:55:09
Re: R. Bolling Batte Papers
koswcartist
When I was back in school to be a librarian in the last century... they told
us that the amount of space you would need to store books, other documents
were listed as so many linear feet..since at that time shelves were
standardized 12 inches deep.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: R. Bolling Batte Papers
> Yes, if you mean have I ONLY gotten the index....it's on the page that
> itemizes the R. Bolling Batte Papers (as opposed to the 8 x 5 index
> cards on individuals). The LVA page says the entire collection of
> papers takes up 29.5 cubic feet...although that seems an odd way to
> measure "papers."
>
> Anyway, the one box # 18 that has all the Poythress papers is likely
> 2500 or 3000 pages so unless one has something very specific in mind
> that looks like a job for one who has
> a month or so to kill.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto [mailto:juliemarie@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: R. Bolling Batte Papers
>
> Does this mean you have gotten these off indexes but do not have a copy?
> I'm
> printing this email to bring with me.
> Thanks,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:31 PM
> Subject: R. Bolling Batte Papers
>
>
> > Julie, I have pasted below the P. material from the R. Bolling Batte
> > "papers" (not to be confused with RBB Cards, RBB Chart, etc.
> > The LVA website indicates that there are no restrictions on accessing
> > this material.
> >
> > Maynard
> > o Poythress Box: 18 Folder: 1
> > o Poythress - Binders (Flowerdew Hundred) Box: 18 Folder: 2
> > o Poythress Chart Box: 18 Folder: 3
> > o Poythress (P-1) Chart Box: 18 Folder: 4
> > o Poythress - County Record Extracts (Amelia, Surry, Petersburg,
> > Sussex) Box: 18 Folder: 5
> > o Poythress of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Box: 18 Folder: 6
> > o Poythress - Extracts from Charles City Records Box: 18 Folder: 7
> >
> > o Poythress - Extracts from Prince George Records Box: 18 Folder:
> > 8
> > o Poythress - Extracts from Printed Material Box: 18 Folder: 9
> > o Poythress Material from Miss Peebles Box: 18 Folder: 10
> > o Poythress Notes - 2nd Set Box: 18 Folder: 11
> > o Poythress - Old "142" Charts Box: 18 Folder: 12
> > o Poythress - Peebles Notes (Not Checked) Box: 18 Folder: 13
> > o Poythress - Photo Records Box: 18 Folder: 14
> > o Poythress - Sources and Index Box: 18 Folder: 15
> > o Poythress - Surveys Box: 18 Folder: 16
> > o Poythress Will, 1724 Box: 18 Folder: 17
> > o Poythress - Write Up Drafts Box: 18 Folder: 18
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
05/30/2005 1:58:28
A trivia question answered
JLP
A few weeks ago, the question was raised if Francis Poythress could be
a Burgess representing Northumberland if he didn't live there.
Apparently residency was not a requirement for Burgesses in the early
years. I've been working my way through some Burwell history, and
discovered that Nathaniel Burwell of Gloucester County was a Justice
of the Peace in Gloucester in 1709, and a Burgess representing
Jamestown in the General Assembly of 1710-1712. He was a Burgess
representing Gloucester in the Assembly of 1720-1722.
I remembered the question, and think the above answers the question in
the "negative."
This may mean that Francis Poythress NEVER lived in Northumberland.
Lou
05/30/2005 2:30:35
RE: A trivia question answered
John M. Poythress
Lou....unless somebody else asked the question you cite then it was me
and the question I asked was "could someone be a Burgess without being a
property owner in the county represented"?....which in a sense is indeed
very much like "living there."
And, like you, I concluded yes...to both questions.....only because
Francis was indeed a Burgess for Northumberland and (albeit the records
for Northumberland are scant) there is no record of him obtaining
property. And even if he obtained property by grant the odds are he
probably didn't live long enough to "seat" it; i. e. cultivate it within
three years. Plus, if he obtained land by grant, odds are it would be
recorded in one of the grant books, this particular point being only a
guess.
To be sure, he is recorded on two occasions as "assigning" property to
others but it appears that it was not his own property but he assigned
(grantable?) property in his capacity to "do" grants as part of the job
ordered by the General Assembly.
I concluded that the percentages are with saying that he had the
plenipotentiary powers granted by the General Assembly to do pretty much
anything that goes with being a Burgess (and perhaps a lot
more)....without meeting the routine requirements of residency and/or
land ownership.
This would not be inconsistent with the history of the time which
reflects that when a leader, usually military, took his men to "deal
with" the "salvages" and did so successfully (by means fair or foul), he
wound up with pretty much a blank check.
Note that I'm not saying this is "fact"; just that it is a likelihood.
I'm standing in quicksand on this one so if someone has an informed
opinion I would welcome it.
Thanks.
Maynard
A few weeks ago, the question was raised if Francis Poythress could be
a Burgess representing Northumberland if he didn't live there.
Apparently residency was not a requirement for Burgesses in the early
years. I've been working my way through some Burwell history, and
discovered that Nathaniel Burwell of Gloucester County was a Justice
of the Peace in Gloucester in 1709, and a Burgess representing
Jamestown in the General Assembly of 1710-1712. He was a Burgess
representing Gloucester in the Assembly of 1720-1722.
I remembered the question, and think the above answers the question in
the "negative."
This may mean that Francis Poythress NEVER lived in Northumberland.
Lou
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
05/30/2005 3:59:41
Re: Re: SAR Library
I was also able to obtain a copy from her husband. I doubt he is still living. I could be wrong.
She interviewed my mother also.
Judy
>
> From: "koswcartist"
> Date: 2005/05/30 Mon PM 10:55:09 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: SAR Library
>
> one of my meridian relatives got me a copy of Betty Lawrence's book. She was
> a very dedicated researcher on the family in the 60s and 70s and later in
> our line. She interviewed all the living Poythress at the time. she did use
> documented references, but a few errors creeped in. I believe her husband
> and/or son were named Tom so i dont know who carried on after her death.
> PK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:55 PM
> Subject: SAR Library
>
>
> > Barbara & all..in our Lou. Gene. Soc. meeting last week they mentioned
> > that the Sons of American Revolution library catalog is now on-line at
> > www.SAR.org. So I went to the library site and poked Poythress into the
> > search engine. Up popped this one:
> >
> > http://sar.library.net/TLCScripts/interpac.dll?LabelDisplay&RecordNumber
> > =4293610&DB=1&FormId=581-1440&ItemField=1&Config=7099&Branch=0
> >
> > The title is: "Giles & Joan (Pearce) Gilbert and James Edward and
> > Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress and descendents."
> > Author is Betty Lawrence. Printed by Mt. Barton Publishers in Meridian
> > which makes me want to guess it was published privately. The copy the
> > SAR library has was a gift of "Tom Lawrence."
> >
> > This one looks like a legit "book" (188 pages) although typically the
> > SAR library stock in trade is copies of all the qualifying papers of
> > members since forever. They are awash with those papers and I haven't
> > had much luck with them in the past.
> >
> > Their library (it's inside their national headquarters) is about 3
> > blocks from the Louisville Downtown library to which I go every couple
> > of weeks anyway. Parking is free and I have freebie access via a friend
> > so checking it out is no big deal..or...have you already done so??
> >
> > And while I'm at it, I guess I'll mention to the list if you have a
> > particular "patriot" (I think they call them) that you want info on just
> > look him up on the libraries search engine to be sure he's there, tell
> > me what you want and I'll run it down for you.
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Visit www.poythress.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
05/31/2005 3:14:28
Re: Pleasant Hill
Julie Cabitto
I had never heard of it, until Marlene told me, but I asked my mother and
two dentists and they said it is very true. Indians teeth are often
different that "white people". Their canine's may be one group of teeth
further back, and often they have one or two less teeth than white's. I've
heard there's several different patterns. My great grandpa one 1/8th Indian
and I think his teeth are different.
Dentists can look and see teeth and like Marlene said, some of her family
were asked by dentist if they were Indian because their teeth were in a
different pattern. Before blood tests I hear it was a way of Identifying
whether a person really was really Indian. That's all I know on this
subject! I find it interesting though.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "koswcartist"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pleasant Hill
> Curiousity...what do you mean by an indian tooth pattern.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:27 AM
> Subject: Pleasant Hill
>
>
>> I found Marlene in a round about way. I got the death certificate for
> James
>> Lundy Clary. It told he was buried in Old Pleasant Hill Christian church.
> I
>> wondered hopefully if his wife Betty Glover was buried beside him. I saw
> the
>> church had a web site, and I emailed the pastor and asked if by chance
> Betty
>> was buried beside him. He said she indeed was, and that Marlene a member
> of
>> the congregation would be kin to me then, and gave me her contact info.
> Last
>> July I went to visit her and she took me to the church so I could take
>> pictures of the Clary/Glover stones to share with my family. I saw the
>> Poythress stones there, but I had just run out of film. So I told Barbara
>> I'd go back this summer and take pictures to make available for this
>> list.
>>
>> Marlene said she had a relative who knew more about Clary questions I
> asked,
>> and I wonder if it was you that sent Clary answers to her for me. So I'll
>> have to go back and reread her letters.
>>
>> One amazing thing to me is that Marlene said she grew up being told they
>> were Indian from the Glover family and that they have a different teeth
>> pattern like the Indians. I was curious, and already have a little
>> Indian
>> pride in, even though I am extremely pale and sunburn easy :).
>> I saw her picture and was so surprised! She had thick beautiful long
>> black
>> Indian hair and there was no doubt she looked Indian. She is the only
> Glover
>> generation we have a picture of. I asked people from other Glover
>> branches
>> and they had heard rumors of being Indian too. And they had heard rumors.
>> Sadly back then though, you had to hide being Indian and "live white" so
> you
>> didn't get put on a reservation. I do have a Cherokee gr.... grandma in
>> another part of my family not connected to Mecklenburg. Even though we
> have
>> no other records for this grandma, because she had to hide her identity,
> I'm
>> glad she was able to live the life she chose rather than one that the
>> government chose for her.
>>
>> Betty Glover married to James Lundy Clary has 4 other siblings. One is
>> another Rehoboth church family, Christine "Minnie" Glover married to
> Charles
>> Tudor. Also two brother that moved to and lived in Lunenburg County.
> Richard
>> and Oliver. These are all children of Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd
>> (John B. Kidd's daughter and sister in law to Virinda Jones) For some of
> you
>> not so familiar with this area, the families all criss cross a lot. And
> this
>> is Foxhall Poythress, Kidd, Cannon, Jones and Gray neighborhood even
>> still
>> today.
>>
>> So I was really quite shocked to see Betty Glover's picture and how
>> definitely Indian she looked. Have any of you heard about Indians in this
>> area so late as 1860's?
>> Love,
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teresa Willis"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>>
>>
>> > Julie,
>> > I'll say I know Marlene, my first cousin once remove,she was my mom's
>> > first cousin. How is it you know her? Just through doing family
>> > research
>> > or personally? Her father was Richard Clary and mother was Gladys
> Morris
>> > Clary. Gladys was my Grandmother, Virginia Morris's sister.
>> > And are you closer to Fredericksburg or going west toward Orange?
>> > Teresa
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:59 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>> >
>> >
>> >> Theresa,
>> >> I've been following your emails and I'm wondering if you are kin to
>> >> Marlene in Gasburg, and she goes to the church you write about. She's
>> >> grand daughter of James Lundy Clary and Betty Glover. I'm from Betty's
>> >> sister's family Tennessee Jordan Glover who married Alvy Dortch (son
>> >> of
>> >> Sarah Poythress and Alvy Dortch). I'm about 4 miles from Wilderness.
> You
>> >> can still see the stars here 🙂
>> >> Love
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Teresa Willis"
>> >> To:
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Julie,
>> >>> I did not realize you lived in Virginia. I get up that way a few
>> >>> times
> a
>> >>> year. We lived in the Wilderness for a few months back in 1990 and I
> can
>> >>> not believe how much the Fredericksburg area has grown since then.
>> >>> Fredericksburg is so rich in history, I took my three youngest
> children
>> >>> on a short history tour of Virginia 2 years ago and of course
>> >>> Fredericksburg was one of the stops.
>> >>> I have family & friends that live in Fredericksburg, Stafford, &
>> >>> Caroline County. I probably will be up that way soon, one of my
>> >>> daughters is considering applying to Mary Washington, this fall.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> >>> To:
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:09 AM
>> >>> Subject: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hey everyone,
>> >>>> I've been reading about Poythress Creek on the list. Just wanted to
> let
>> >>>> you know I do live near Fredericksburg VA and cross over the
>> >>>> Rappahannock River nearly every day. If you do find a Poythress
>> >>>> actually lived around this area let me know and I'll see what I can
>> >>>> find. I can only find Mecklenburg VA Poythress connections, and my
>> >>>> direct Poythress gr....gr. grandma is Sarah Poythress married to
>> >>>> William Archer Dortch.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I do still have small children at home, but I do look forward to
>> >>>> occasional trips to the Richmond archives. So keep me in mind if you
>> >>>> get stuck on some VA Poythress and it may be possible to get it in
> the
>> >>>> Richmond archives. Also with my parents near by I can have them help
>> >>>> watch my children a bit, as I do love very close to Spotsylvania and
>> >>>> Fredericksburg VA courthouses and a lot of civil war battlefields.
>> >>>> Since I don't know my own Poythress connections yet, and I I signed
> up
>> >>>> for this list, I'm always on the look out for the "Poythess" name. I
>> >>>> haven't ever seen it around my neighborhoods. If you aren't too sure
>> >>>> where Fredericksburg is in relation to King George, there's a bridge
>> >>>> here you can cross over from Spotsylvania to Stafford, and another 6
>> >>>> miles to the right and I'm in King George County.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Rappahannock River is still a big River and has lots of history!
> On
>> >>>> a more recent note I used to live by the river and about 4 days
>> >>>> after
>> >>>> hurricane Fran (1996), the Rapidan River started flooding, which
>> >>>> empties into the Rappahannock from the mountains, and we were warned
> of
>> >>>> flooding. People thought I was crazy, esp. since I was pregnant, but
> I
>> >>>> hauled everything upstairs in my house just in case. Our whole
>> >>>> street
>> >>>> flooded, and the river ran through our house. The night of the
> flooding
>> >>>> my husband ended up helping the rest of the street but I didn't
>> >>>> loose
> a
>> >>>> thing to flooding.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But probably more interesting to you,... There was a dam for over 30
>> >>>> years that was put in when Fredericksburg started getting
> electricity.
>> >>>> They blew it up this year, to try to improve the river and help the
>> >>>> fish. A few years ago, we had the worst drought since the great
>> >>>> depression I kept hearing. One day, a photographer was taking
> pictures
>> >>>> of Blue Heron's and made a cool discovery. The River level had
>> >>>> gotten
>> >>>> so low, you could see these manmade wooden structures with wooden
>> >>>> spikes that criss crossed. It was discovered these were fishing
>> >>>> traps
>> >>>> made by the Powatan Indians over 300 years ago.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also the Washington's moved to Fredericksburg because of the River.
>> >>>> Augustine mined pig iron steel (? spelling), and put it on barges on
>> >>>> the river for sale. Fredericksburg was one of the top 10 ports in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> world during colonial days. There are books saying George Washington
>> >>>> kept trying to convince everyone they needed to dredge the river of
> the
>> >>>> silt would build up so bad another sea port would take over, and
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> was New York City. At one time this was the busiest place in VA,
>> >>>> over
>> >>>> 100 wagons a day, and over 35 steam boats a day in colonial times.
>> >>>> There was lots of things mined here: Lots of gold, and other
>> >>>> precious
>> >>>> minerals. They also mined "Rappahannock sandstone" which they used
> for
>> >>>> foundations of the houses that are still standing. (Including my own
>> >>>> first house I renting during the flood) It's very porous, so the
>> >>>> buildings don't loose the foundation during major flooding that
> happens
>> >>>> whenever a hurricane travels up the Appalachian mountains (like
>> >>>> Fran)
>> >>>> about every 25 ye!
>> >>>> ars.You wouldn't know it today though. It's still a pretty scenic
>> >>>> river...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Poythress ancestors did travel
> the
>> >>>> Rappahannock river, because if you wanted big money, you used this
>> >>>> river. There are disputes over the first Millionaire, but in
>> >>>> Fredericksburg we read that America's first millionaire was Basil
>> >>>> Gordan who actually had a million cash in his hands, not in assets
>> >>>> as
>> >>>> other first millionaires had. And he made his fortune growing
>> >>>> tobacco
>> >>>> and using the Rappahannock River to transport his goods and sell it.
>> >>>> Rappahannock means alternating tides- and today it still has really
>> >>>> strong undercurrents and tides.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hope something of history in this email may be of interest to you.
>> >>>> Love
>> >>>> Julie
>> >>>>
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05/31/2005 3:31:24
A new DNA customer....
John M. Poythress
I got an email saying we had a new testee on the DNA log so I
went to check it out.
I'm not sure I recognize who the "new guy" even is because I
never saw the full list before..or maybe just wasn't smart
enough to go get it. (I didn't need a password or anything
this time..just clicked on the link).
I'm guessing the new guy might be Vern Poythress who is a
name I have not seen there before..the fellow who has written
a shelf-full of theology books (of which I have only picked up
enough on the net to know I'm 100% in agreement with the
guy, my shortage of credentials on matters metaphysical
notwithstanding).
Did you get the same message? Since you haven't said anything
I was sort of suspecting that since you yourself were naturally not
a "participant" you might not have been on the mailing list to get
what for them is likely a routine notice.
If you don't have it I'll forward it to you. Since all of the
participants have said with vigor that they had absolutely no
"privacy" concerns in the matter of these tests would you like to
send it to the board with summary observations that you're
qualified to make and probably nobody else is?
Maynard
05/31/2005 4:37:05
Re: will of WL Poythress - Sallie Poythress & Wm Tanner; Poy homeplace
Barbara P. Neal
Lyn, can you please fill me in on the dates you may have for the lives &
marriage of Sallie Poythress & William Tanner? I don't seem to have
those. And is the Poythress "home place" at Blackridge that you
mentioned the place we think that Lewis Poythress formerly lived, &/or
that Lewis' son Thomas M Poythress lived?.
Thanks,
BPN
06/02/2005 3:11:51
DNA
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, we are still awaiting more than just the initial "12" marker
results, so I'll pass on discussing it further for now, especially since
I'm swapped on family elder-care stuff anyway at the moment
Yes, as Group Administrator of the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Project, I do
get the messages, so I don't need you to forward me a copy.
Back to work now; hope to get caught up with all the P-List stuff
eventually. It has been great to see the stuff Julie posted, though I
still haven't had time to digest it all.
BPN
06/02/2005 12:56:09
just a note
DIXYLUVR
Just wanted to announce two arrivals to the Poythress line
Neil and Mae Poythress of Aylette VA had a baby boy Dustin Bryce Poythress on May 5th and my sister, Erica of Gasburg VA, had a baby girl Mayzie Conner Wrenn on May 12. The name Mayzie was derived from our two grandfather's names, Maynie Clary (May) and Delzie Poythress (zie), I thought that was pretty original.
Have a great weekend all!
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06/03/2005 2:01:40
New DNA results & request
Barbara P. Neal
Dear Poythress-List & participants,
This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara
Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. The Study
now has 11 participants. Most participants signed up in 2003 and ordered
the 25-marker test. For the 2 most recent participants, we're getting
results from the newer, more detailed, 37-marker test.
The first one of those 37-marker tests' results became available today
for Vern, who knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who
lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher.
Vern's first 25 markers are exactly the same as those for John B.
Poythress, who also knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress
(who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher.
Further: Vern's first 25 markers are also exactly the same as those for
Gene Poythress, Sr, of Florida, who knows that he is a grandson of John
P.(probably Price) Poythress (who lived in Florida from 1833-1905) &
Mary Ann Dolan.
Several other participants' markers differ by one marker, and by only
one "repeat" from Vern's:
- Bud's marker #458 has 17 "repeats" where Vern & Gene & John B have 16
- Maynard's marker #458 has only 15 "repeats" where Vern & Gene & John
B. have 16
- Karl, David, Kevin, & Dale's marker #464-c have only 16 "repeats"
where Vern, Gene, John B., Bud & Maynard all have 17
I find it odd that Bud's and Maynard's markers #458 vary in opposite
directions (+1 repeat, and -1 repeat) from those of known descendants of
Georgian Wm E Poythress & a contemporary of Wm's, Floridian John P.
Poythress.
I'm hoping for some enlightening help from the below upcoming results
and requests.
RESULTS to come soon:
1. We are currently awaiting test clarification on one participant who
only had the 12-marker test run. He had one of his 12 markers (#393)
initially show up as being one "repeat" less than that of every other
Poythress man's first 12 markers, so we have asked that his test be
re-done to be sure that marker is different.
2. In several weeks, we should have 37-marker test results for Neil Sr.,
who knows he is a ggg-grandson of Lewis Poythress who lived from
approximately the middle of the 1700s to about the middle of the 1800s
in Virginia
3. Also in several weeks, we'll have results on two tests that will
further refine Gene & Karl's results from the 25-markers to the
37-markers, so they can be more fully compared to the results from Vern
and Neil.
REQUESTS:
1. Refine: I would greatly appreciate it, if any of the others of you,
who have had the 25-marker tests, would be willing to order the "Refine
to 37 markers" test from Family Tree DNA. (The group-rate cost of the
Refine 25-to-37 test is $59.) When a Refine test is run, no new swabs
are needed; they just further test your original swab results. To order
the Refine test, you must log in at www.familytreedna.com using your
original kit number and your password/code number. An easy way to do
that is to click on the link in one of their emails to you, since your
kit number and code number are imbedded in that link.
2. More participants: If you are a man (or if you have a brother or male
cousin of yours) who is of the Poythress surname, known to be born of a
Poythress-surnamed man who was also the son of another
Poythress-surnamed man, we would all greatly appreciate you joining our
Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. Much information about the easy test
process (swabbing the inside of one's mouth) is available at
www.familytreedna.com -- photos of the test kit and much other info. If
I can answer any questions to help in the decision to participate, I'll
be glad to do so -- just email me at bp_neal@earthlink.net
06/05/2005 9:05:19
RE: New DNA results
John M. Poythress
To all but especially Linda & Debbie:
Without addressing the technicalities of the DNA questions, I think Vern
Poythress' known information (confirmed by DNA) gives us some
interesting threads to pull on....while the documentation is limited the
rest of all looks to me like it wants to fall into some kind of pattern.
Start with three pieces of baseline information. FIRST,
Barbara's conclusions from the DNA tests:
"The first one of those 37-marker tests' results became available today
for Vern, who knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress (who
lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher."
"Vern's first 25 markers are exactly the same as those for John B.
Poythress, who also knows he is a gg-grandson of William E. Poythress
(who lived in Georgia from 1833-1907) & Martha J. Usher."
"Further: Vern's first 25 markers are also exactly the same as those for
Gene Poythress, Sr, of Florida, who knows that he is a grandson of John
P.(probably Price) Poythress (who lived in Florida from 1833-1905) &
Mary Ann Dolan."
SECOND, plug in the dates of the 3 Seminole wars: 1817-18,
1835-42, and 1855-58. This may be significant later when looking at the
pension data.
My theory (and it's ALL theory unless I cite a fact) here is that we
have enough links to suggest kinship between the elusive Messrs. James
P. Poythress and William E. Poythress....or, and here's the big hooker,
the matching DNA results might only be suggesting a common ancestor
further back. (as in Virginia probably).
THIRD, FL service rolls show the following service:
The above service records are badly flawed information because we don't
have any dates of service. A list member retrieved the above for us
some years ago. The dates of service were either not listed or she
didn't record them.
This could be rechecked if we have a Florida volunteer.
Here is my chronology and I'll leave it to Linda and Debbie to chase
this one to ground because they have forgotten more about this branch
than I'll ever know.
1790 (about)
Presumed birth of James P. Poythress subtracting 21 years from the date
of his first legal document.
MCH 1811
James P. Poythress buys a lot in Jacksonborough (once a "planned" town
to be the county seat of Screven County but the plan never
materialized). The sellers are John & Mary Smith which I deem
unremarkable.
OCT 1814
James P. Poythress sells lot # 20 in Jacksonborough to Benjamin Freeman.
The document shows James P. Poythress to be married to Mary Poythress
who co-signed the deed. The deed is witnessed by "John
Price"....perhaps the father of
Mary and a darn good reason to name a son John Price Poythress.
Mar 1816
James P. Poythress sells another lot to Benjamin Freeman.
Same details.
Oct 1821
James P. Poythress buys land on courthouse steps sold by the sheriff
(suggesting to me that James P. Poythress is well off enough to
participate in one of these transactions).
Dec 1826
James P. Poythress sells 200 acres to Nicholas Barry. Deed signed James
P. Poythress with no wife Mary as a signatory. Since James P. closes on
his Gadsden County, FL grant in June 1827 we might assume he is
lightening up to move to FL.
Document is otherwise unremarkable.
June 1827
James P. Poythress signs IN FL for his FL land in Gadsden County. Linda
Clark Smith reports that the land currently known as "Poythress
homeplace" is NOW in WESTERN Gadsden County and is property originally
belonging to the family
of Mary Ann Dolan, who married John P(rice?)Poythress in 1866.
July 1827
George Poythress of Burke County procures land in adjoining
Jackson Co., FL and will later die there, leaving a will referring to
brother "Lewis Poythress" in Mecklenburg County, VA.
24 JAN 1828
Masonic Lodge formed in Gadsden County, first meeting on date above.
Present (among others): James P. Poythress
Aug 1828
James P. Poythress sells 200 acres to William Poythress for a nominal $5
suggesting a "family" price. The deed cites the two individuals as "of
the same place"...Screven Co, GA or Gadsden Co, FL? This is, of course,
NOT William E. Poythress who wasn't born until 1833.
1830 Census Gadsden County, FL.
Males in HH
James P. Poythress,
1 M under 5, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 40-49 (the last likely James
himself).
1830 Census Jackson County, FL
HH= Addison Mandell, almost a cinch to be husband of Mary Elizabeth
Poythess Mandell, George Poythress' daughter. In the HH is 1 M under 5.
This family is no longer in Jackson County in 1840.
1845
James Poythress votes in Chattahoochee, FL in the first statewide
election.
9 Jan 1846
James P. Poythress gets additional land in Gadsden County per FL land
records.
Dec 1846
A William T. Poythress (of Screven County) sells the above same 200
acres to Charles Stewart, 18 years after William Poythress bought it.
Question: Is William T. Poythress selling the land to retire from
farming or is William T. selling land he inherited from the William
Poythress of the deed above?
Mar 1847
William T. Poythress sells another 250 acres to Matthew Parker and
Charles C. Stewart, attorney, handles the transction for William T. The
same question remains: is this William E. or William T.? This would
seem to correlate with William OR William T.'s appearance on the service
rolls
serving in a Seminole Indian war.
Mar 1862
John P(rice?) Poythress enlists Confederate States Army in Caddo
Parrish, LA. Wounded and captured at Battle of Stones River
(Murphreesboro) Jan 1863 and exchanged at City Pt., VA
May 1863 and discharged Aug 1863.
PURE GUESSWORK:
I'd make William E. Poythress the son of James P. Poythress and if we
make John P. Poythress also the son of James P. Poythress then the two
are likely brothers. And I'd be inclined to make Vern and John B.
cousins coming down William E's line and I'd make Gene a cousin coming
down the
John P(rice?) Poythress line?
And, while another "common ancestor" may indeed exist back many
generations, the most immediate common ancestor would be James P.
Poythress of Screven Co, GA and Gadsden Co, FL.
Just a stab in the dark.
Maynard
06/06/2005 7:54:06
FL Militia Muster Rolls 1838-1841 & using our List message archives
Barbara P. Neal
Pertinent to Maynard's message discussing Wm & James Poythress (in
strings to pull on, in his message re the DNA context), I found in our
Poythress-List message archives the message I posted on 24 Feb 1999 in
which I transcribed the pages found by Jane, one of our lurkers who was
able to get the needed pages copied at a good library in south FL.
I transcribed the limited information about the Poythress men (various
spellings) listed on the rolls. It was my strong opinion after studying
the dates and the Rolls, that there were only a total of 2 Poythress men
in these Rolls: William, who was promoted as high as 1st Lt eventually,
and James, who always appeared as a Private. The information came from
two publications from the same series of Muster Rolls.
There were indeed dates in the material, and the dates ranged from 1838
to 1841, with one date that listed 1843.
To see the entire transcription message (or to find LOTS of other
helpful information posted in these past 8 years on various subjects),
go to our message archives. The easiest way is from our Poythress
research website, www.poythress.net
At our website, if you use Microsoft's Internet Explorer for your access
to the internet, put your cursor on the grey-colored band near the top
(just under the name of the website), and slide your mouse around until
you see the choices below that for "Keyword Search Poythress Message
Archives" and "Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year."
You can then use the month & date search to go to 1999, February, and on
the 24th you'll see the whole message captioned "FL Muster Rolls
Seminole Wars"
Alternatively, you can use the keyword search function in the year 1999
to search on Seminole or on Muster Rolls.
If you use Netscape for your access to the internet, at our Poythress
website along the top border you'll actually see "Message Archives" and
my placing your cursor on that, the two choices of how to search the
archives will show up just below that. Slide your mouse down & over to
whichever way you want to search.
Happy hunting thru the archives for whatever you want to find.
06/07/2005 5:08:06
Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
Barbara P. Neal
"s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from
Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my
ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress
Drug Company" in Richmond, VA.
I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what
I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out
this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would
appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of
List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you
recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his
family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found
so far.
Thanks,
BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal)
Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including
my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the
pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained
years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no
children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children?
Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations
of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a
druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a
boarder lady & her grandson. I found:
The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the
druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were:
- his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re
his mother
- his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of
the 1850 Census
- an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was
born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find
him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after 1860.
- William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about
1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know
that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the
doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused
Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The
history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his
share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the
store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little
later died."
- a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She
apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info.
- a brother Walter E., born in about 1862
We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was
born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census).
Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress
(William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837)
than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa
(born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little
Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford
Cemetery in Petersburg.
I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress,
the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info:
1910 Henrico County
HH 101 – of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet
7B, ED 139, 21 Apr.
Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp.,
, Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA
HH 94 – Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr.
Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5
lodgers living in her home
[Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in
the compilation.]
Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90
- Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist,
per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890
Widow of William P.
- 1890
Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist,
business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug
company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message
archives for more details]
2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890
1880 Henrico County
HH 98 – Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June
Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA
, W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA
, S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA
[BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if
his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she
is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old
handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an
initial of "L" and one of "S"]
, Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA
Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA
Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA
In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he
was not in his mother's household:
1870 Henrico County
HH 716 – Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July
Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA
, Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA
, Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA
1860 Henrico County
HH 563 – Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July
Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA
, Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school
, William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school
, Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school
1850 VA, Henrico County
HH 240 – of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug.
Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA
, Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA
, William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the
mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really
William P. Poythress]
06/07/2005 6:40:38
Re: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
Randy Jones
William Powhatan Poythress (c.1847-1920) by Louisa Campbell Mayo (1849-1927) had two daughters, both named Charlotte Reed Poythress. The fist was born 9 Feb 1880 and died 29 May 1880. The second was born in 1881 and died 1906. This information comes from the Robert Bolling Batte card files online in the Library of Virginia.
-- Randy Jones
"Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
"s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from
Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my
ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress
Drug Company" in Richmond, VA.
I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what
I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out
this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would
appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of
List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you
recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his
family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found
so far.
Thanks,
BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal)
Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including
my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the
pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained
years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no
children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children?
Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations
of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a
druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a
boarder lady & her grandson. I found:
The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the
druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were:
- his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re
his mother
- his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of
the 1850 Census
- an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was
born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find
him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after 1860.
- William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about
1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know
that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the
doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused
Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The
history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his
share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the
store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little
later died."
- a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She
apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info.
- a brother Walter E., born in about 1862
We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was
born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census).
Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress
(William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837)
than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa
(born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little
Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford
Cemetery in Petersburg.
I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress,
the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info:
1910 Henrico County
HH 101 of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet
7B, ED 139, 21 Apr.
Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp.,
, Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs., VA,VA,VA
HH 94 Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr.
Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5
lodgers living in her home
[Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in
the compilation.]
Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90
- Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist,
per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890
Widow of William P.
- 1890
Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist,
business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug
company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message
archives for more details]
2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890
1880 Henrico County
HH 98 Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June
Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA
, W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA
, S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA
[BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if
his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she
is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old
handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an
initial of "L" and one of "S"]
, Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA
Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA
Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA
In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he
was not in his mother's household:
1870 Henrico County
HH 716 Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July
Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA
, Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA
, Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA
1860 Henrico County
HH 563 Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July
Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA
, Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school
, William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school
, Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school
1850 VA, Henrico County
HH 240 of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug.
Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA
, Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA
, William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the
mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really
William P. Poythress]
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06/07/2005 8:55:15
Re: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Randy!
Randy Jones wrote:
> William Powhatan Poythress (c.1847-1920) by Louisa Campbell Mayo
> (1849-1927) had two daughters, both named Charlotte Reed Poythress.
> The fist was born 9 Feb 1880 and died 29 May 1880. The second was
> born in 1881 and died 1906. This information comes from the Robert
> Bolling Batte card files online in the Library of Virginia.
>
> -- Randy Jones
06/07/2005 9:07:19
Batte card files
Barbara P. Neal
Randy, can you please refresh my memory about how to get to the Batte
card files at the Library of VA website? I thought I had it bookmarked,
but I can't find it. And it's probably User Error, but unfortunately I'm
not finding their website very user friendly for locating the card files
either.
Thanks,
Barbara
06/07/2005 9:56:37
Re: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Maynard for his father's name.
Yeah, we used to have a photo of the bottle on the website, but I can't
find it right now either. And actually BPW's brother Victor found the
bottle in "1984 at Bear Island, Florida (Oklawaha & St. John's River)"
per her notes with my copy of the photo of it that she sent me many
years ago. She also noted that the bottle (which has a screw-on metal
cap) was manufactured in the early 1940s.
The date on the bottle's front indeed says 1856, which is when the firm
began.
If you really want one of the Poythress bottles, you ought to check
periodically on EBay. I found one there a couple of yrs ago.
Cheers, Barbara
06/07/2005 10:06:08
Re: Batte card files
Randy Jones
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html
"Barbara P. Neal" wrote:Randy, can you please refresh my memory about how to get to the Batte
card files at the Library of VA website? I thought I had it bookmarked,
but I can't find it. And it's probably User Error, but unfortunately I'm
not finding their website very user friendly for locating the card files
either.
Thanks,
Barbara
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06/07/2005 12:01:25
Re: Batte card files
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks for the location, Randy.
BPN
Randy Jones wrote:
> http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html
06/07/2005 12:08:42
RE: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
John M. Poythress
Barbara....the entire crowd is precisely as you spell out.
The whole 2 generations of WPP's family are easy to visualize on the
Batte chart where the 2 William P's (William Peterson Poythress &
William Powhatan Poythress)are RBB 211 241 and RBB 211 241 3.
William Peterson Poythress captained a blockade runner and either died
(or was killed) in Bermuda in 1862.
I thought there was a pic of that 4 oz. "Poythress Drug Company" bottle
on the website but it's not there. You remember that spooky story about
its origin: BPW's brother Victor Poythress who runs (or ran) a charter
fishing boat in Alaska fished it out of a net he was bringing in on some
offshore Alaska site. As I recall the date on the bottle was 1850. I
have a couple of flea market prowlers in VA with whom I have posted an
APB to snag me one of those bottles if they ever see one....but I'm not
holding my breath.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:41 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Wm P Poythress Druggist - in the Foxhall Poythress line?
"s b" (one of our quiet List members who is in the line descended from
Foxhall Poythress), recently mentioned to me that "One of our/my
ancestors" William P Poythress, was a druggist who had the "Poythress
Drug Company" in Richmond, VA.
I have gathered what info I can readily find about this druggist in what
I have here on my computer. If anyone else can please help me round out
this William P. Poythress, druggist, for my records, I sure would
appreciate it. I readily admit that I've missed fully digesting a LOT of
List messages due to family elder-care problems, so if any of you
recognize that there was something identifiable with this man or his
family in them, please let me know that, too. Below is what I've found
so far.
Thanks,
BPN (Barbara Poythress Neal)
Back in March 2001 we had some list messages about this man, including
my (BPN) transcription on 29 March 2001 of a brief history of the
pharmaceutical company that BPW (Barbara Poythress Wolfe) had obtained
years earlier. It doesn't clarify when he was born, and it mentions no
children for him; perhaps he didn't have any children?
Today I looked thru Elaine Poythress Criddle's great census compilations
of Poythress info, backtracking from the 1880 one when he is listed as a
druggist in his mother's household, with his wife & 2 siblings & a
boarder lady & her grandson. I found:
The identifiable family members for William P. Poythress, who became the
druggist owning Poythress Drug Company in Richmond, were:
- his father was William, per 1889-90 Richmond City Directory entry re
his mother
- his mother was Charlotte -- she was already widowed by the time of
the 1850 Census
- an older brother, Patrick Henry (later just Henry) Poythress who was
born in about 1846. He may have died young, since I don't readily find
him as either Henry or Patrick Henry in the census compilation after
1860.
- William P. Poythress (later the druggist) who was born in about
1847-48. From the brief history of the Poythress Drug Company, we know
that he was still alive after World War I began and drew most of the
doctors from the building where the drugstore was located, which caused
Poythress Drug Company to cease to be THE drugstore of Richmond. The
history continues, "Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his
share of the business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the
store he once owned 'to give the boys a start' retired and a little
later died."
- a sister, Sarah/Sally/Sallie R. who was born in about 1852. She
apparently never married, per the below 1910 census info.
- a brother Walter E., born in about 1862
We also know that William P. Poythress had a wife, Louisa C., who was
born about 1853, whom he married in about 1880 (See 1910 census).
Interestingly, there was in Petersburg, VA a different William Poythress
(William D. Poythress) who was about 10 years older (born in about 1837)
than William P. Poythress, and who was also married to an older Louisa
(born in about 1835). This Petersburg couple were the parents of little
Mollie Poythress. These 3 Petersburg Poythresses are buried at Blandford
Cemetery in Petersburg.
I've compiled my above list of family members for William P. Poythress,
the druggist, from Elaine's census compilation of VA Poythress info:
1910 Henrico County
HH 101 - of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet
7B, ED 139, 21 Apr.
Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp.,
, Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA
HH 94 - Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23
Apr.
Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5
lodgers living in her home
[Note: 1900 I didn't see Henrico County or City of Richmond listed in
the compilation.]
Supplement/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90
- Poythress, Charlotte, [BPN NOTE: This is the mother of the druggist,
per census records below] 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890
Widow of William P.
- 1890
Poythress, William P., occupation-druggist,
business name-T Roberts Baker [BPN NOTE: this was then the drug
company's name; see my 29 Mar 2001 message in our Poythress-List message
archives for more details]
2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890
1880 Henrico County
HH 98 - Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June
Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA
, W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist, VA,VA,VA
, S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married, VA,VA,VA
[BPN NOTE: We should re-check the census-taker's handwriting to see if
his wife's initials might be "L.C." since in the above 1910 Census, she
is "Louisa C." and they had been married 30 yrs by 1910. Many of the old
handwriting samples make it difficult to see the difference in an
initial of "L" and one of "S"]
, Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA
Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA
Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA
In 1870, Wm was apparently elsewhere - in school perhaps? -- because he
was not in his mother's household:
1870 Henrico County
HH 716 - Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July
Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA
, Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA
, Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA
1860 Henrico County
HH 563 - Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July
Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA
, Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school
, William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school
, Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school
1850 VA, Henrico County
HH 240 - of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug.
Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA
, Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA
, William D., age 2, male, born VA [BPN NOTE: I feel sure from the
mother & brother, & from it being in Henrico County, that this is really
William P. Poythress]
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06/07/2005 12:45:27
Re: Wm Poythress KY Land Grant
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for the update on these long-inaccessible KY records.
BPN
06/08/2005 11:33:19
Wm Poythress KY Land Grant
John M. Poythress
FRANKFORT - Tucked in the state Capitol's cavernous basement is an
office cubbyhole containing volumes upon volumes of large books tracing
the history of land in Kentucky. Those books, many of which have been
hidden from the public eye for years, are now available worldwide on the
Internet.
They're part of the collection in the Secretary of State's Land Office.
Now, historians, genealogists and those who are just plain curious can
go online, at www.sos.ky.gov, and access a plethora of scanned images of
historical land documents.
And there are more available every day. The agency launched its
redesigned Web site late last month, giving people fingertip access to
thousands of handwritten historical documents.
"Our new Kentucky Land Office Web site represents a researcher's dream,"
Secretary of State Trey Grayson said.
Original land warrants, complete with red wax seals, dating back to
before Kentucky was a state are there.
"It's almost three-dimensional, isn't it? You want to touch this,"
Kandie Adkinson, an administrator in the office, says as she points at
her computer screen. "This is available around the world."
The secretary of state's office has been responsible for housing and
maintaining Kentucky's land records since the 1930s, Adkinson said.
Years ago, they were kept folded up in brown envelopes and bound with
twine. Some were kept in boxes. Many were available on microfilm. But
people had to know exactly what they were looking for if they were to be
much help.
Today, they're a virtual electronic gold mine for historians, attorneys,
surveyors and others in search of historical land documents. Technology
has allowed the agency to create a system that allows users to sort
through them electronically.
Veterans of the French and Indian War and the American Revolution were
issued land warrants as payment for their military service. A soldier's
rank dictated the number of acres to which he was entitled.
Those warrants could then be used to obtain land patents -- also
available online. Original patent documents and land surveys are there,
along with the Virginia and Kentucky general assemblies' acts that
created the state's 120 counties.
The bound collection housed in the Capitol contains more than 1,000
volumes. Adkinson and her small team are working to get the rest of the
collection up.
"People will not only be able to know they exist, they'll be able to
research them, and ideally they'll be able to see them," Adkinson said
"Then what they do to preserve their family history will benefit all of
us, because that's the history of Kentucky."
To all:
Above as information. Immediately on a Poythress search will pop up
William Poythress (Lt./Capt.) who received a 4000 acre grant in Kentucky
for Rev. War service. We are fortunate to have the 1794 will of William
Poythress (RBB 211 2, m. Mary Gilliam) because a copy was brought to KY,
likely as a part of trying to claim William's 4000 acres by his sons.
On a separate track in VA, sons Joshua, Thomas & William were
petitioning the government to pay them the "balance oweing" to their
father for Rev. War service on the last 5 of his 8 years service. This
petition does not appear to have been successful.
A Joshua Poythress (presumably the same as above) was tussling his way
through the KY court system with 5 various lawsuits against defendants
Porter (3), J. S. Wilson (1) and Y. Carson (1) as late as 1827....all
of those documents (I'm guessing) don't seem to be on the KY website
advertised so they are probably still in the "bundles" I was told about
in 1999. In any case, I don't know that we have any direct descendants
of that particular line so I'll try to get over to Frankfort in the
future to see if they will let me "unbundled" the documents. This will
make an interesting piece of family history.
At the time we were looking at this back around 2000, Craig Scott (I'm
going on memory here) made a pretty good case that this Joshua Poythress
was the fellow who wound up in New Jersey and lived to a ripe old age.
I may need to be set straight on some of my "facts" in this case but we
don't have nearly all the evidence yet. Any helpful comments will be
appreciated and added to the file if they ever let me into the "bundles"
in Frankfort.
Maynard
06/08/2005 12:50:22
Henings Statutes
John M. Poythress
A sainted soul named Fred Spradlin is transcribing the entire 13 volumes
of Henings' Statues at Large which is a compendium of laws passed in
Virginia from 1619 to 1792. He has completed 4 volumes. There is an
every name index.
It is free and the site is http://vagenweb.org/hening/
Francis Poythers appears 6 times in volume 1 and these listings are
identical to the ones Swem indexed.
Maynard
06/10/2005 7:26:45
RE: Henings Statutes
JLP
I've only recently discovered how much genealogical data is in these -
if you're dealing with one of the high-profile families. The key to
their use for genealogy is to use the "supplemental index." In the
early volumes you will find Francis Poythress listed as "Poythers."
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:27 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Henings Statutes
A sainted soul named Fred Spradlin is transcribing the entire 13
volumes
of Henings' Statues at Large which is a compendium of laws passed in
Virginia from 1619 to 1792. He has completed 4 volumes. There is an
every name index.
It is free and the site is http://vagenweb.org/hening/
Francis Poythers appears 6 times in volume 1 and these listings are
identical to the ones Swem indexed.
Maynard
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Initial DNA results from descendant of Lewis
Barbara P. Neal
Dear All,
The full results are NOT yet available on our known descendant of Lewis
Poythress (who lived from mid-1700s to mid-1800s). He had the 37-marker
test. Only his first 12 markers' results are available so far.
On his initial 12 markers, his reading is different on one marker (#439)
by having one fewer "repeat" than ANY of the other Poythress men tested
to date. His other 11 markers are identical to the others (except for
the one man whose test we asked to be re-examined).
I'm away in Texas at a family reunion for my mother's line this weekend,
and I doubt if we'll have his further results for several days, but I
wanted to keep you posted.
Your volunteer Group Administrator for the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study,
Barbara Poythress Neal
06/11/2005 2:16:23
Re: Initial DNA results from descendant of Lewis
Barbara, is there any way you can "get your hands" on my WINN DNA project
results? I haven't received the results yet myself but it shouldn't be long
now. I took the mtDNA test due to my interest in establishing the fact that
some of the WINN women on my line were Cherokee and Chocktaw Indian. I am a
POYTHRESS descendant. Would it be of any interest to the POYTHRESS data to know
what my results are? If so, perhaps you could obtain them for inclusion in
the POYTHRESS data if I give you my password and kit number. Shall I do that?
I asked the lab to make th data available to the MATLOCK family and to the
POYTHRESS family but I don't believe they will do that. Therefore, we need to
do it ourselves if we want to blend the info. Are you interested?
Marian Aiice Andrea Harris
"Andie"
06/11/2005 5:58:00
Andie's mtDNA test results
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Andie,
(1) In answer to your question, as the Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study
Group Administrator I cannot "get my hands on" your results.
(2) The markers from the mtDNA test and from the Y-DNA test aren't in
the least directly comparable to each other. The mtDNA markers come from
the maternal line and the Y-DNA markers come from the paternal line.
(3) Even so, your mtDNA (maternal DNA) results might well be of interest
to others who might have ordered their own mtDNA tests. No one has
mentioned to me having chosen to order a mt-DNA test, but there is no
reason they would have mentioned it to me. Thus if you wish to make your
test results available to anyone on our Poythress-List you could
certainly just send a message to the list & either
(a) just invite anyone with mtDNA results who wishes to compare
theirs with yours, to write to you directly (off-List); or
(b) include your mtDNA results in a message to the List if you wish.
Happy hunting for your maternal ancestors-
Barbara Poythress Neal
06/12/2005 12:59:06
WSJ.com -
*Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified.
Interesting article. Maybe Francis and friends weren't all BAD guys after all.
Ironic that the museum should be in Bristol, the likely port of departure for a trip from Glos to America.
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06/14/2005 1:57:15
RE: Argall
John M. Poythress
Ab....so....lutely!! MP
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:03 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Argall
And, alas, it probably has a generous sprinkling of the author's
imagination stirred into the whole. When someone goes that far to be
creative, it ain't likely to be factual history.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:47 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Argall
Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early
Virginia
built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and
later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in
what
is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest
in
the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are
confined to
quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder
shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a
testimony as to how well it sold I imagine.
However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that
resonated slightly with me for future reference and will share them:
John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty
of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that
here in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless
landmarks,
but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for
wooddes and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not
to be marked, because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so
youre marke is
lost:
Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and
Churches, are the beste and most surest markes, that may or can be
taken, and are better than hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why
those guys writing the land patents didn't realize this? ]
"But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate
malignant Ratcliffe to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2.
pawns by name Captaine Waldo & Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?].
"That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John
place himself in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he
could never accompt himself safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at
James Towne were any less treacherous, but their plottings he could
more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)."
"...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the
child in her arms. Venus was already out, and the other night stars
were gaining power. Down Thomas's
(Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale
(governor), after whom he'd
been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening."
"Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these
Salvages are his
relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle
(Opechancanough),
who continues to watch him most smilingly.
He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on
whom he begat a
daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho'
I've heard he did make
a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that
Powahatan bequeathed him many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe
anything like akin to duty to such an ignorant old Salvage. This Jane
of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we ken anything about his
daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to be of
such repute (at least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer
took her to wife. Of this I'm sure: Ready money cannot have been
lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But concerning her father, what
were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death turn'd out,
are matters engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all
these got burn'd in 1865, at the
end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he
remained alive after 1658, by which time it had coincidentally become
illegal for Englishmen in Virginia to
marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother."
"Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these
tribes severally, wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of
Virginia. To him, as to John Rolfe and John Smith, their vanquishment
was as natural as the rule of husband over wife...Thus, the
Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall,
comely, strong and
active, now sink beneath the mold."
"Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661,
to Mattapony
river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They
retained however their separate name as late as 1705, and were at
length blended with the Pamunkies and Mattaponies, and exist at
present only under their names."
"For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still
reigns today, is depicted on the title page of his (John Smith's)
Generall Historie."
I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does
not paint a
favorable picture of the English adventurers.
If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book
again..but I wouldn't be
caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure
terminology, strange syntax, switching timeframes of references...just
plain hard work to keep up with the author who seems in a world of his
own.
Maynard
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06/17/2005 1:53:06
RE: Argall
JLP
And, alas, it probably has a generous sprinkling of the author's
imagination stirred into the whole. When someone goes that far to be
creative, it ain't likely to be factual history.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:47 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Argall
Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early
Virginia
built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and
later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in
what
is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest
in
the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are
confined to
quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder
shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a
testimony as to how well it sold I imagine.
However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that
resonated slightly with me for future reference and will share them:
John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty
of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that
here in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless
landmarks,
but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for
wooddes and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not
to be marked, because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so
youre marke is
lost:
Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and
Churches, are the beste and most surest markes, that may or can be
taken, and are better than hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why
those guys writing the land patents didn't realize this? ]
"But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate
malignant Ratcliffe to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2.
pawns by name Captaine Waldo & Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?].
"That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John
place himself in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he
could never accompt himself safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at
James Towne were any less treacherous, but their plottings he could
more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)."
"...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the
child in her arms. Venus was already out, and the other night stars
were gaining power. Down Thomas's
(Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale
(governor), after whom he'd
been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening."
"Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these
Salvages are his
relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle
(Opechancanough),
who continues to watch him most smilingly.
He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on
whom he begat a
daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho'
I've heard he did make
a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that
Powahatan bequeathed him many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe
anything like akin to duty to such an ignorant old Salvage. This Jane
of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we ken anything about his
daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to be of
such repute (at least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer
took her to wife. Of this I'm sure: Ready money cannot have been
lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But concerning her father, what
were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death turn'd out,
are matters engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all
these got burn'd in 1865, at the
end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he
remained alive after 1658, by which time it had coincidentally become
illegal for Englishmen in Virginia to
marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother."
"Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these
tribes severally, wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of
Virginia. To him, as to John Rolfe and John Smith, their vanquishment
was as natural as the rule of husband over wife...Thus, the
Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall,
comely, strong and
active, now sink beneath the mold."
"Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661,
to Mattapony
river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They
retained however their separate name as late as 1705, and were at
length blended with the Pamunkies and Mattaponies, and exist at
present only under their names."
"For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still
reigns today, is depicted on the title page of his (John Smith's)
Generall Historie."
I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does
not paint a
favorable picture of the English adventurers.
If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book
again..but I wouldn't be
caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure
terminology, strange syntax, switching timeframes of references...just
plain hard work to keep up with the author who seems in a world of his
own.
Maynard
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06/17/2005 11:02:50
Argall
John M. Poythress
Argall..is a novel by William T. Vollman about the history of early
Virginia
built around the relationship between Pocahontas and John Smith...and
later John Rolfe. It is a 746 page hardbound brainbuster written in
what
is presumably period English. Unless you have an obsessive interest in
the subjects, I don't particularly recommend it unless you are confined
to
quarters for the next two weeks or so. It can be found in remainder
shelves and on the 'net for usually less than 5 bucks..something of a
testimony as to how well it sold I imagine.
However, as I was slogging though it I marked a few quotes that
resonated
slightly with me for future reference and will share them:
John Smith: "I once read in an old Almanacke, that the principal duty
of a Navigator is to know where he is. Welladay, and how to do that
here
in Virginia? Rivers and streams, to be sure, make faultless landmarks,
but what of this darkness to starboard and larboard? And as for wooddes
and hedges with such like, the Almanacke sayeth, these are not to be
marked,
because suche things may be cut or felled downe, and so youre marke is
lost:
Wherfore hylles, vales, cliftes, and Castels, with stepels and Churches,
are the
beste and most surest markes, that may or can be taken, and are better
than
hedgrowes, wooddes or trees." [wonder why those guys writing the land
patents
didn't realize this? ]
"But now upon Newporte's (governor) council they do reinstate malignant
Ratcliffe
to the Counsell! Additionally, they install .2. pawns by name Captaine
Waldo &
Captaine Wynne." [Robert Wynne?].
"That subtle old Powhatan was the veriest Tymor, who, did Sweet John
place himself
in his power, would traduce or e'en murther him; so he could never
accompt himself
safe! (Not that his own Countreymen at James Towne were any less
treacherous, but
their plottings he could more easily comprehend in the o'erhearing)."
"...Rebecca (Pocahontas) was standing without their croft with the child
in her arms.
Venus was already out, and the other night stars were gaining power.
Down Thomas's
(Rolfe) shirt filed an army of little buttons. Sir Thomas Dale
(governor), after whom he'd
been named, had granted him that gift upon his christening."
"Thomas Rolfe knows not whether to sit or to stand, for all that these
Salvages are his
relations. Is this dance meant to be for him? He gazes at his uncle
(Opechancanough),
who continues to watch him most smilingly.
He married with a well-to-do Englishwoman named Jane Poythress, on whom
he begat a
daughter. What lands he got into his tenure, 'tis not written (altho'
I've heard he did make
a pretty little garden in the English manner). Some say that Powahatan
bequeathed him
many acres, but 'tis surely folly to ascribe anything like akin to duty
to such an ignorant
old Salvage. This Jane of his, the World remembers her not. Nor do we
ken anything
about his daughter's moral color. I hope that her family continued to
be of such repute (at
least on her father's side) that some gold-Adventurer took her to wife.
Of this I'm sure:
Ready money cannot have been lacking to pay her marriage-portion. But
concerning her
father, what were his doings in that parish, & how his life and death
turn'd out, are matters
engross'd in many documents (I misdoubt me not) but all these got burn'd
in 1865, at the
end of the American Civil War. Hence no one even knows whether he
remained alive after
1658, by which time it had coincidentally become illegal for Englishmen
in Virginia to
marry with Negroes, mulattoes, or Indians such as his late mother."
"Very little can now be discovered of the subsequent history of these
tribes severally,
wrote Jefferson in his Notes on the State of Virginia. To him, as to
John Rolfe and John
Smith, their vanquishment was as natural as the rule of husband over
wife...Thus, the
Virginian Salvages, whom old chroniclers once described as tall, comely,
strong and
active, now sink beneath the mold."
"Jefferson continues: The Chicahominies removed, about the year 1661, to
Mattapony
river.This seems to have been the last chapter in their history. They
retained however
their separate name as late as 1705, and were at length blended with the
Pamunkies and
Mattaponies, and exist at present only under their names."
"For this Never-Never Viginia, the only one in which Powhatan still
reigns today, is depicted
on the title page of his (John Smith's) Generall Historie."
I found it interesting...and as one can quickly gather Vollman does not
paint a
favorable picture of the English adventurers.
If I didn't have anything better to do, I'd likely read the book
again..but I wouldn't be
caught actually recommending it. It's just too quirky.. obscure
terminology, strange
syntax, switching timeframes of references...just plain hard work to
keep up with the
author who seems in a world of his own.
Maynard
06/17/2005 11:46:40
Itnerary
John M. Poythress
Off to the wilds of NC at dawn:30...back next Monday. If you try to
email me you'll likely find
mail box full as BellSouth has this habit of tossing my DSL connection
couple of times a day so
email will not be transferred to my harddrive and the BellSouth mailbox
will fill up quickly and start
rejecting.
Maynard
06/19/2005 7:09:58
Dr. Tom Lawrence, Meridian obit, widower of Betty Lawrence
Barbara P. Neal
With thanks to Judy Scruggs, I read today the Meridian, Mississippi obit
for Dr. Tom Lawrence, who we had lately mentioned on the List re whether
he still had for sale books by his late wife, Betty Lawrence, including
her book on the Poythress family.
His & Betty's kin are spread across the U.S. according to the obit, but
only one child was mentioned: their son who is a judge: "Judge Tom
Lawrence and his wife, Mickey, of Houston, Texas." So if one is
interested in obtaining a copy of Betty's books that Dr. Tom Lawrence
published as Mount Barton Publishers in Meridian, the son would be the
logical person to try first.
His obit appeared in The Meridian Star (www.meridianstar.com) where one
can register free to read obits online. He died 16 June 2005 at age 87;
he was to be buried yesterday at Magnolic Cemetery in Meridian after his
funeral at Stephens Funeral Home Chapel.
His obit clarified info I had tried to mention on the List recently.
Facts I learned in the obit include that he was "a member of the W.D.
Cameron Chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, where he served in
many offices including Camp Commander. His most important project was
the preservation of the Lauderdale Springs Cemetery which contained the
graves of soldiers killed during the War Between the States. His chapter
along with his wife's Winnie Davis Chapter of the Daughters of the
Confederacy has worked to identify the names of the soldiers buried
there and to purchase headstones to commemorate their service. He
spearheaded the creation of a perpetual fund to insure the maintenance
of the cemetery forever."
I had thought he was an M.D., but I learned he was a Chiropractor & had
entered practice with his father; he retired in 1985. For yrs he was
"recognized as a national leader" with the American Chiropractic Assoc.
He was a WWII vet (U.S. Army). He was also a member of the Sons of the
American Revolution, thru which he received various medals.
He created a critically acclaimed lecture series called "American
History and Our Heritage" at the Meridian Community College. Further he
set up lecture teams to visit schools to talk about American history. He
was quite a writer & speaker himself.
He was a founder of the Meridian Symphony Orchestra & the Meridian Jr
Chamber of Commerce. He was an Optimist; he served on the city Planning
Commission for 38 yrs; he was quite active working on various community
projects including Little League & Boy Scouts.
His many accomplishments led to him being named an "Unsung Hero" by The
Meridian Star newspaper in Feb of this yr.
06/21/2005 3:26:54
Joshua and Thomas Wynne
Deloris Riley
In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on
April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ".
. . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary
Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN
area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request
that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the
tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . "
My questions are:
Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his
marriage to Mary Poythress?
Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"?
Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas,
or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't
believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another
Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley
06/24/2005 7:20:18
RE: Joshua and Thomas Wynne
JLP
Deloris, I'll say up front that I'm not going to be able to answer
your primary question - Mary Francis' name was "Sloman", etc.? -
because I can't. I don't remember seeing the posting you refer to,
but it looks to me, at first glance, that some of that information is
garbled. It was Peter Poythress, son of John and Christian (Peebles)
Poythress, who was the well-known Indian interpreter. And he was,
indeed, sent to negotiate (which includes the job of interpreting)
with the Tuscorora Indians in 1711 [Ex. Council Col. Va. 3-284].
Peter did have a brother named Joshua, but insofar as I know, did not
have a brother named Thomas. Peter is the only one of the Poythresses
of which I'm aware who was an Indian interpreter. So it doesn't seem
to fit any data as I know it.
On the other hand, if there's real evidence of other Poythress
involvement in other Indian negotiations "out there," I'd sure like to
know more about this, so I can follow up on it.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Joshua and Thomas Wynne
In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one
on April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he
states, ". . . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert
Wynne and Mary Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the
expedition to KY/TN area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and
the Meherrin request that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be
interpreters for the tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi
Indians. . . " My questions are: Has it ever been proven that Joshua
Wynne was son of Col Robert by his marriage to Mary Poythress? Has it
ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"? Is Mr.
Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas, or to
Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't believe
Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another Joshua
Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley
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Re: Joshua and Thomas Wynne
Randy Jones
I apologize for garbling my post. I obviously meant Joshua Wynne (c.1663-1715), the Indian trader/interpreter , and his Thomas (1657-c.1718), sons of Robert Wynne.
Randy Jones
Deloris Riley wrote:
In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on
April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ".
. . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary
Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN
area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request
that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the
tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . "
My questions are:
Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his
marriage to Mary Poythress?
Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"?
Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas,
or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't
believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another
Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley
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06/24/2005 9:31:35
RE: Joshua and Thomas Wynne
Deloris Riley
Thank you Randy for your prompt reply. We can all get things a bit
garbled at times. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:32 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Joshua and Thomas Wynne
I apologize for garbling my post. I obviously meant Joshua Wynne
(c.1663-1715), the Indian trader/interpreter , and his Thomas
(1657-c.1718), sons of Robert Wynne.
Randy Jones
Deloris Riley wrote:
In reviewing some of my past e-mails, I see that Randy Jones sent one on
April 16, 2005, in which he is discussing Abraham Wood and he states, ".
. . Mary Jones married Joshua Wynne, son of Col. Robert Wynne and Mary
Francis Sloman Poythress. Joshua is a part of the expedition to KY/TN
area. In 1703, the Tuscarora, the Nansemond and the Meherrin request
that Joshua Poythress and his brother Thomas be interpreters for the
tribes and he (Joshua) was killed by the Saponi Indians. . . "
My questions are:
Has it ever been proven that Joshua Wynne was son of Col Robert by his
marriage to Mary Poythress?
Has it ever been proven that Mary Francis' maiden name was "Sloman"?
Is Mr. Jones actually referring to Joshua Wynne and his brother Thomas,
or to Joshua and Thomas Poythress? I am a bit confused. I don't
believe Joshua Wynne ever went by "Joshua Poythress" (there was another
Joshua Poythress, however). Deloris Wynne-Riley
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06/24/2005 11:43:37
DNA info preservation
John M. Poythress
Below is interesting new use for our DNA information. Obviously, we
wouldn't want to pay another crowd to provide the same information we
already have. The question for those of us who would want to "create
this record" though, is what do we save and how do we express it (in
writing)? Barbara, any guidance? Thanks, Maynard
06/27/2005 2:40:22
VA-Southside
John M. Poythress
Interesting post off today's VA-Southside board. It's nicely
paragraphed but the Rootsweb system will probably truncate it;
sorry about that. Maynard
Why and when many of the settlers migrated?
During the 1740s, travel in the Colonies was very restricted. It is said
that many settlers of that time period rarely traveled more than 20
miles during their lifetime. However, this was not necessarily true for
the Scottish immigrants, who moved often to keep away from the
encroaching settlements in search of new land. So, they moved to the
back country where the hills and mountains reminded them of home.
Restricted migration was especially true in the area which became NC. In
NC there was almost no travel except through the coastal towns. And,
settlers in NC west of those coastal towns were nearly non existent.
Generally, settlement did not start until the 1750s.
Inland travel by settlers in VA began during the 1740s and was only by
the "Great Pennsylvania (GP) Wagon Road" and migration overland of hardy
souls from the shores and river basins of the Chesapeake Bay by the
"Upper Road" or the "Fall Line Road". The "Upper Road" branched in
Spotsylvania County and went through Orange County, NC.
During the 1740s, the proprietary governor of the Granville District
began to issue grants to Quakers and others from the tidewater counties
of VA, attracting them into the northern half of NC. By 1750, the "Upper
Road" became an important wagon route for southbound migrations into
that portion of NC.
Many of the families in viz of Culpepper/Spotsylvania/Orange Cos, VA
went with the migration to Orange Co., NC which started at the Bermuda
Hundred on the James River in Virginia. via the old Occaneechee Indian
Path which went through Orange County, NC. And, later went through NC to
SC in the area that became Pendleton District, SC, where my gggg
grandfather Andrew Caddel later settled after 1800. Many of Andrew
CADDEL's neighbors in Orange County, NC - the Leas, Greens, Hendersons,
McNeills, Andersons and other allied families, came from the counties of
Spotsylvania, Hanover, New Kent, Prince George, Charles City, James
City, and Surry of VA .
Travel along these roads was extremely slow because of the many rivers,
mountainous areas, and dense forests across VA and NC. During the 1740s,
only the "G P Wagon Road" could handle any volume of travelers. A treaty
with the Indians in 1744 gave the white men control of the "Roads" for
the first time. At the time they were only foot paths a few feet wide
where settlers walked and lead pack animals. They were previously Indian
trails used to trade or make war along the frontier, and generally
followed the Appalachian Mountains. Travel by wagon was almost
impossible. During 1765 - 1775, more and more settlers came, clearing
the paths wide enough to accommodate wagons. However, by that time,
Andrew Caddel (my ancestor) had already been in NC for over 10 years.
Even the best of wagons could travel no more than five miles a day.
Later the "GP Wagon Road" traversed the Colonies from Pennsylvania (PA)
to Georgia, a distance of 800 miles.
The French and Indian War (1753 - 1763) severely restricted travel. The
British and French finally reached an agreement on 10 Feb 1763, the
Treaty of Paris, which gave the British all the land east of the
Mississippi River. Prior to that there was no westward migration And,
the peace treaty signed in 1763 provided that no British settlements
were allowed west of the Appalachian Mountains. This land to the west
was set aside as Indian hunting grounds. This increased the migration
south along the GP Wagon Road to escape the war.
After peace was declared, settler migration expanded. In the fall and
winter of 1765 more than a thousand wagons passes through western NC.
The proclamation of 1763, which prohibited westward settlement, angered
the colonists and established a beginning point which culminated in the
Revolutionary War with England.
Bill Caddell
06/27/2005 2:46:09
Eastman "Plus" Edition
John M. Poythress
Anybody subscribe to the "plus" addition of this thing? I could use a
copy of today's article on "Renaming lots of Image Files Quickly."
Thanks,
Maynard
06/27/2005 2:47:32
Re: DNA info preservation
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, whatever was supposed to be "below" didn't make it when your
message went thru RootsWeb. Can you clarify for me what you tried to
attach, please?
Thanks, Barbara
6/27/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Below is interesting new use for our DNA information. Obviously, we
> wouldn't want to pay another crowd to provide the same information we
> already have. The question for those of us who would want to "create
> this record" though, is what do we save and how do we express it (in
> writing)? Barbara, any guidance? Thanks, Maynard
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
07/01/2005 9:46:10
Wm P Poythress Druggist - NOT in the Foxhall Poythress line
Barbara P. Neal
For clarification on future hunts thru our List-Archives (thanks, Lyn,
for reminding me about that):
The info from R. Bolling Batte's cards shows us that the William P.
Poythress (middle name Powhatan) who owned Poythress Drug Company in
Richmond, VA, was born about 1847, son of William Peterson Poythress &
Charlotte Reed; William Peterson Poythress was son of Patrick Henry
Poythress (b.about 1780; died 1822) & Mary Elizabeth Eppes; Patrick
Henry Poythress was son of William Poythress & Mary Gilliam.
Thus the druggist was NOT directly in the same line with Foxhall
Alexander Poythress (b.Jan 1887; d.Aug 1932), who was the son of William
Lewis Poythress (b.about 1843-44; d.about Jan 1915) & Ella Anna Jane
Jones; William Lewis Poythress was the son of Thomas M. Poythress
(b.about 1820-23; d.Jul 1891) & Lucy I. Thomas; Thomas M. Poythress was
son of Lewis Poythress.
So, the Richmond druggist could well be related to Foxhall & to all the
rest of us Poythress folks, but at this point we don't know the connection.
The Batte cards are accessible at the Library of Virginia website, at:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html
and Diana Diamond's wonderful work organizing info from many of Mr.
Batte's cards can be found at:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=va_families
07/01/2005 10:51:12
Re: will of WL Poythress - Sallie Poythress & Wm Tanner; Poy homeplace
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Lyn, for the clarification.
07/01/2005 11:00:31
RE: will of WL Poythress - Sallie Poythress & Wm Tanner; Poy homeplace
Lyn Baird
Yes, Barbara, briefly I'll share what pops up in my records and leave off
the citations for now.
Sallie POYTHRESS, born April 1860, Blackridge, VA, died 11 Dec 1932,
Blackridge, VA; daughter of Thomas M. POYTHRESS and Lucy THOMAS
William H. TANNER, born March 1859, Virginia, died ca 1910-12; son of
William Henry TANNER and Eliza ???
I do not have a marriage record for Sallie and William, but estimate they
were married around 1884-85.
By "home place at Blackridge" I am referring to the residence of Thomas M.
Poythress. However, land transactions would lead us to expect that the
"home place" is on land once owned by Lewis Poythress. Whether Lewis
resided at or near the site of the Thomas M. Poythress house, or is buried
in the cemetery there, we cannot tell.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: will of WL Poythress - Sallie Poythress & Wm Tanner; Poy
homeplace
Lyn, can you please fill me in on the dates you may have for the lives &
marriage of Sallie Poythress & William Tanner? I don't seem to have those.
And is the Poythress "home place" at Blackridge that you mentioned the place
we think that Lewis Poythress formerly lived, &/or that Lewis' son Thomas M
Poythress lived?.
Thanks,
BPN
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Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
07/01/2005 12:46:06
VA Vital Records
John M. Poythress
Below is off the Brunswick wire for those of us looking for Virginians
who might have a vital records listing:
Message Board Post:
Hi, I have recently started a website where people can donated the vital
records they have so others can view, download and print them for FREE.
There are records avalible for this surname/location if anyone would
like to view them or if anyone has any documents to submits for others.
The more people who donate what they have, the better the odds are of
finding a record you need for FREE.
Thank you - Krystal Wilson - Vital Tree http://clik.to/vitaltree
07/02/2005 9:10:00
Re: Wm P Poythress Druggist - NOT in the Foxhall Poythress line
Pat
RE mentioned below: Patrick Henry Poythress was son of William Poythress &
Mary Gilliam.
Does anyone have information on Mary Gilliam's parents or male siblings? Is
there any information to indicate a female Gilliam married a male Wilson
between ~1730-~1800.
Reason, in another line I have there is a William Gilliam Wilson who I
cannot find the parents for. William was born 2-4-1790 Warren Co, NC Died
Nov 1857 (Sale Warren Co WB 45-150).
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: Wm P Poythress Druggist - NOT in the Foxhall Poythress line
> For clarification on future hunts thru our List-Archives (thanks, Lyn, for
> reminding me about that):
>
> The info from R. Bolling Batte's cards shows us that the William P.
> Poythress (middle name Powhatan) who owned Poythress Drug Company in
> Richmond, VA, was born about 1847, son of William Peterson Poythress &
> Charlotte Reed; William Peterson Poythress was son of Patrick Henry
> Poythress (b.about 1780; died 1822) & Mary Elizabeth Eppes; Patrick Henry
> Poythress was son of William Poythress & Mary Gilliam.
>
> Thus the druggist was NOT directly in the same line with Foxhall Alexander
> Poythress (b.Jan 1887; d.Aug 1932), who was the son of William Lewis
> Poythress (b.about 1843-44; d.about Jan 1915) & Ella Anna Jane Jones;
> William Lewis Poythress was the son of Thomas M. Poythress (b.about
> 1820-23; d.Jul 1891) & Lucy I. Thomas; Thomas M. Poythress was son of
> Lewis Poythress.
>
> So, the Richmond druggist could well be related to Foxhall & to all the
> rest of us Poythress folks, but at this point we don't know the
> connection.
>
> The Batte cards are accessible at the Library of Virginia website, at:
> http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html
>
> and Diana Diamond's wonderful work organizing info from many of Mr.
> Batte's cards can be found at:
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=va_families
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
07/02/2005 10:36:40
Francis' Arrival in America
John M. Poythress
I am scouring the archives for documents to continue to build on a
"complete" (or as complete as I can make it) database for Virginia.
Anyone have an opinion on whether or not one should draw an inference
from the below that Francis Poythres arrived
VA 1617? Remember that at least "a" Francis Poythres was baptised 1609
so if "Francis" did arrive 1617 then he was only
8 years of age, hardly qualifying as a factor. And if the 3 ships came
as a "fleet" then Francis was accompanied by his future
son-in-law. I'm understandably leary of this one.
Maynard
From: "Albert R. Tims" < atims@minn.net>
Subject: By GEORGE, I think we've got something here
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:13:52 -0500
Poythress List,
You "ancient" listers will recall that I've speculated from time to time
about a possible connection between Francis Poythress and the London
Company. You'll also recall that I've been interested in the ships named
in the following account: ...Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia
in
the previous year goods for a value of =A32,000 in three ships, the
Rebecca,
master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the
Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey,
his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only =A3150.
C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the
history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor
London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge
(Washington,
D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220
I don't know why it has taken me so long to make this connection, but it
turns out that the ship the London Company had arranged for John Rolfe,
Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas Rolfe to use for their return
to Virginia in March of 1617 was the above named George.
This is as close as I believe we've come to developing a basis for
establishing a link between the London Company and Francis Poythress.
Best,
Al Tims
07/04/2005 9:14:14
Re: Francis' Arrival in America
DIXYLUVR
Maynard,
Who are you referring to as "future son-in-law" below, that accompanied Francis?
"And if the 3 ships came
as a "fleet" then Francis was accompanied by his future
son-in-law."
Teresa
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A better way to Internet
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07/04/2005 11:15:58
Database CD
John M. Poythress
For some time now I have felt a need to capture in one place the
Poythress
and related family information we have accumulated over the past years.
For one
thing, nothing new has been posted to the website for several years..and
during
that interim many of you have made great contributions of citations of
legal
records, copies of histories, etc. I have accumulated quite a pile
myself.
Over the past few months I have been trying to capture all of this
information on
a single CD-ROM to share with those of you that I think would be
interested in
the information. I make no claim to having it "all." However, I likely
have a ton of it and it's also likely that I have some material
unavailable (or at least "unpublished" on the listserver) before.
There are no adverse copyright implications on any of this material. It
is either public domain or constitutes fair use, largely based on the
two principles that it is legitimate academic research and second, that
no one is either selling the stuff or "chilling" anybody else's market.
While we are all hugely grateful to fellow-contributors, I have made no
attempt to claim or assign "credit" for any of this work and likewise I
don't want to create any unrealistic expectation that it is a
well-organized "study." It is simply a record of what has been
accumulated that I have in my "storage." My purposes in wanting to
share this information with you are several: 1) perhaps I can add to
your own information, 2) I hope that each of you will be so kind as to
forward me corrections and or missing pieces (or whole chunks) that I
may have missed and that YOU have..and 3) of course, as these CDs get
distributed among you a database will exist which I hope might fall into
the hands of some future family historian and save him or her many, many
hours of work.
While some of the information is inclusive of other states the
concentration on purpose is directed to Virginia, a topic on which we
all share a common interest.
Below is a brief description of some of the "headings":
^ Batte...complete, the text, Diana's "lines", and scans of every one of
Batte's 205 index cards on Poythress courtesy of Ted Kingsbury.
^ Boddie.complete..all "scanned"..I will add at this point that when I
refer to scans you may expect to have to view these through a "viewer"
such as MS Photoeditor and magnify them either once or twice for
reading. And some of the scans get a bit ragged. Documents and pages
this old don't scan perfectly..or even well..and, as you all know, I'm
not especially technically hip.
^ Census (all states).essentially I used Elaine's work.
^ CSA service lists
^ Dr. W. B. Hall on Poythress..scanned in total.
^ Illustrations, various..thanks to all contributors.
^ Individual wills and estate administrations (69 of
them)..chronologically.
^ Poythress land patents..both direct grants/patents and the Poythress
references in other patents..arranged chronologically.
^ the Swem Index...essentially this amounts to scans of all the
Poythress
references from the various publications covered by the Swem indexes.
This is a huge number of scans, several hundred pages as a guess.
^ VA databases BY COUNTY. What I did here was to take all of the "runs"
of various specific documents, facts, etc., re-cut the pie "by counties"
and restacked them chronologically.
^ VA files & folders..this is quite lengthy but is an assortment of
documents not especially large enough for "headings" of their
own..Bristol Parish Records, the Maitland Bible, William Byrd Diary
entries, Rev. War Bounty Grants, etc.
All I need to mail you a CD (no charge) is a snail mail address..the
"expense" related to this project is minimal at the most and I am
delighted if it will bring any information here-to-now unknown to any of
you. Just send me your snail mail (if you wish privately to me at
brerfox@bellsouth.net ) and a CD will go out to you within only a day or
so.
On a final note, I'll comment again to the effect that some of this
material is far from "complete" (although I tried to mention it when
ends were left dangling) and
what I would really love to have from you is information supplementing
what you will see (I hope) right off is that is missing and that YOU may
have.
A good example of this is the patents. They are in several "forms":
full text, abstracts, surveyor talk, etc. I would like to get them all
into "full text" form and if you have such on any one or more just email
the information to me and I will bring the "master CD" up to date.
When all of you have gone through this process it will be a simple
matter to burn another set of CD's and mail out the revisions. CDs cost
about a nickel so this is not a federal case.
And..also, don't forget that many of you will have full and complete
records of a number of documents that well may not even be included
here. Obviously, those are very important to the group..sent to me they
will be included on the master
CD.
Be waiting to hear from you.
Best,
Maynard
07/06/2005 1:44:34
RE: Francis' Arrival in America
Deloris Riley
John, I am watching your Poythress searches with great interest because
of Robert Wynne's marriage to Mary Poythress. Does anyone have the
actual record of Mary Sloman marrying Francis Poythress in St. Dunstan's
Cathedral? I have seen this theory posted on the Web Site. I did find
record of Robert Wynne's christening in 1622 in St. Dunstan's in the
Canterbury Cathedral Archives while visiting Canterbury. I did search
there and in the Canterbury Public Library for all Wynne and Sloman
records in the area but must admit I did not search under "Poythress".
I will be happy to help in any way I can in assisting you in building
your database for Virginia as I am interested in all of the very early
Virginia settlers. As I have said many times before, I have three
shelves about 12 feet long filled with four inch notebooks containing a
vast amount of Wynne info. I used to have visions of publishing it but
to be realistic, I am getting to the age where I will probably never
reach that goal. Somewhere I have record of Robert Wynne having two
people by the name of "Sloman" connected to his head right. I,
personally, do not know exactly when Robert Wynne came to Virginia but
have estimated it to be around 1647 when the Royalist Rebellion broke
out in full force in Kent County. Keep up your good work! Deloris
Wynne-Riley. P.S. Remember, it is said Abraham Wood came to America as
a very young boy (was it around eight years old ?) so could Francis
Poythress have also been a young boy when he came? A Thomas Wynne and a
Peter Wynne were also members of the Virginia Company. I believe they
both came to America--Thomas Wynne died at sea at some point in time and
Peter Wynne died during the starving time in Virginia--I believe it was
1609 (?)--will need to verify by my records. I believe this Capt. Peter
Wynne to be the brother of Mayor of Canterbury Robert Wynne. (Mayor)
Robert Wynne also sent a load of oatmeale over under the auspices of the
Virginia Company.
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:14 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis' Arrival in America
I am scouring the archives for documents to continue to build on a
"complete" (or as complete as I can make it) database for Virginia.
Anyone have an opinion on whether or not one should draw an inference
from the below that Francis Poythres arrived
VA 1617? Remember that at least "a" Francis Poythres was baptised 1609
so if "Francis" did arrive 1617 then he was only
8 years of age, hardly qualifying as a factor. And if the 3 ships came
as a "fleet" then Francis was accompanied by his future
son-in-law. I'm understandably leary of this one.
Maynard
From: "Albert R. Tims" < atims@minn.net>
Subject: By GEORGE, I think we've got something here
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:13:52 -0500
Poythress List,
You "ancient" listers will recall that I've speculated from time to time
about a possible connection between Francis Poythress and the London
Company. You'll also recall that I've been interested in the ships named
in the following account: ...Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia
in
the previous year goods for a value of =A32,000 in three ships, the
Rebecca,
master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the
Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey,
his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only =A3150.
C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the
history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor
London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge
(Washington,
D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220
I don't know why it has taken me so long to make this connection, but it
turns out that the ship the London Company had arranged for John Rolfe,
Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas Rolfe to use for their return
to Virginia in March of 1617 was the above named George.
This is as close as I believe we've come to developing a basis for
establishing a link between the London Company and Francis Poythress.
Best,
Al Tims
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Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
07/06/2005 4:23:20
Re: Francis' Arrival in America
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, I went back to the List Archives to look at the original
message to see if Al Tims actually cited the *date* of the account he
quoted in that 14 Jul 1997 message. In that message, Al did not put a
date for the account at all. He only noted that the *ship* ("the
George") was the same ship:
For clarity, (after finding the actual quotation from the document he
referenced, below copied), one could re-state Al's point, saying that
"the ship used by John Rolfe, Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas
Rolfe for their return to Virginia in March of 1617 was the same ship
used 20 years later by Lawrence Evans, merchant, one of whose factors
was Francis Poetres.
Where I found the date was on our Poythress website (www.poythress.net -
under the section "Virginia Origins: The 17th Century Record." There Al
included the *date* of the citation -- 19 Sep 1637 -- along with the
full quote:
From:
C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the
history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor
London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge
(Washington, D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220
Quote:
A letter to the Governor and Council of Virginia, 19 September 1637.
Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia in the previous year goods
for a value of £2,000 in three ships, the Rebecca, master - Richard
Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the Hopewell, master --
William Smith. One factor died during the journey, his other factor
Francis Poetres returned a bill of only £150. The rest of the goods were
carried away by the three masters and their crew. Order to try and trace
the goods belonging to Evans.
07/06/2005 5:56:57
RE: Francis' Arrival in America
John M. Poythress
Deloris, I probably should have qualified that bit of whimsy as just
that: a bit of whimsy.
I think the chances are almost zero of Francis Poythress having come to
America in a "convoy" in 1617 accompanied in one of the other ships by
Thomas Rolfe. But that was the implication of the ancient email to
which I was responding.
I also think the chances of your finding anything on Francis in the
Canterbury region would have been pretty close to zero. Everything we
know about this man and the multiple
spelling variants of those left behind in England just screams "west
country".......Glos, Herefordshire, and just as a guess a little piece
of east Wales.
I am also very skeptical of all the websites that place Francis in or
from London...the very "internal" evidence of these sites says they
stand a good chance of being "universal" copies since they all seem to
read the same, something to the effect of: Francis was born in London in
1688, son of Joshua and Peachy_______"....and not a whit of additional
information is added.
I would speculate that the scenario here is that the millions of
Pocahontas chasers simply see those two or three "facts" and simply list
them as a matter of filling in the blanks. When I first saw these I
began to cordially query the posters if they would be so kind as to
share "sources." Most stated they had simply copied a line they "found
on the internet"....others went so far as to claim such and such gedcom
from somebody unknown as a "validation." After a dozen or so instances
and I gave up that folly...but would still welcome for their claim a
validation of almost any kind
I will post a msg to the group today about a database CD.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:23 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Francis' Arrival in America
John, I am watching your Poythress searches with great interest because
of Robert Wynne's marriage to Mary Poythress. Does anyone have the
actual record of Mary Sloman marrying Francis Poythress in St. Dunstan's
Cathedral? I have seen this theory posted on the Web Site. I did find
record of Robert Wynne's christening in 1622 in St. Dunstan's in the
Canterbury Cathedral Archives while visiting Canterbury. I did search
there and in the Canterbury Public Library for all Wynne and Sloman
records in the area but must admit I did not search under "Poythress".
I will be happy to help in any way I can in assisting you in building
your database for Virginia as I am interested in all of the very early
Virginia settlers. As I have said many times before, I have three
shelves about 12 feet long filled with four inch notebooks containing a
vast amount of Wynne info. I used to have visions of publishing it but
to be realistic, I am getting to the age where I will probably never
reach that goal. Somewhere I have record of Robert Wynne having two
people by the name of "Sloman" connected to his head right. I,
personally, do not know exactly when Robert Wynne came to Virginia but
have estimated it to be around 1647 when the Royalist Rebellion broke
out in full force in Kent County. Keep up your good work! Deloris
Wynne-Riley. P.S. Remember, it is said Abraham Wood came to America as
a very young boy (was it around eight years old ?) so could Francis
Poythress have also been a young boy when he came? A Thomas Wynne and a
Peter Wynne were also members of the Virginia Company. I believe they
both came to America--Thomas Wynne died at sea at some point in time and
Peter Wynne died during the starving time in Virginia--I believe it was
1609 (?)--will need to verify by my records. I believe this Capt. Peter
Wynne to be the brother of Mayor of Canterbury Robert Wynne. (Mayor)
Robert Wynne also sent a load of oatmeale over under the auspices of the
Virginia Company.
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:14 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis' Arrival in America
I am scouring the archives for documents to continue to build on a
"complete" (or as complete as I can make it) database for Virginia.
Anyone have an opinion on whether or not one should draw an inference
from the below that Francis Poythres arrived
VA 1617? Remember that at least "a" Francis Poythres was baptised 1609
so if "Francis" did arrive 1617 then he was only
8 years of age, hardly qualifying as a factor. And if the 3 ships came
as a "fleet" then Francis was accompanied by his future
son-in-law. I'm understandably leary of this one.
Maynard
From: "Albert R. Tims" < atims@minn.net>
Subject: By GEORGE, I think we've got something here
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:13:52 -0500
Poythress List,
You "ancient" listers will recall that I've speculated from time to time
about a possible connection between Francis Poythress and the London
Company. You'll also recall that I've been interested in the ships named
in the following account: ...Lawrence Evans, merchant, sent to Virginia
in
the previous year goods for a value of =A32,000 in three ships, the
Rebecca,
master - Richard Buckham, the George, master -- Robert Page, and the
Hopewell, master -- William Smith. One factor died during the journey,
his other factor Francis Poetres returned a bill of only =A3150.
C. M. Andres, F. G. Davenport, Guide to the Manuscript Materials for the
history of the United States to 1783, in the British Museum, in Minor
London Archives and in the libraries of Oxford and Cambridge
(Washington,
D.C., 1908) pp. 170-177. p. 220
I don't know why it has taken me so long to make this connection, but it
turns out that the ship the London Company had arranged for John Rolfe,
Lady Rebecca (Pocahontas) and young Thomas Rolfe to use for their return
to Virginia in March of 1617 was the above named George.
This is as close as I believe we've come to developing a basis for
establishing a link between the London Company and Francis Poythress.
Best,
Al Tims
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07/06/2005 6:21:58
Re: Database CD
Michael Tutor
The Poythress CD had to be a herculean effort encompassing hours of work.
This was a great idea Maynard. It seems that you possess the greatest
comprehensive compilation of material extant on the family. I really
appreciate the copy of the CD and your efforts in making this CD available
for future study.......Thank you, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Database CD
> For some time now I have felt a need to capture in one place the
> Poythress
> and related family information we have accumulated over the past years.
> For one
> thing, nothing new has been posted to the website for several years..and
> during
> that interim many of you have made great contributions of citations of
> legal
> records, copies of histories, etc. I have accumulated quite a pile
> myself.
>
> Over the past few months I have been trying to capture all of this
> information on
> a single CD-ROM to share with those of you that I think would be
> interested in
> the information. I make no claim to having it "all." However, I likely
> have a ton of it and it's also likely that I have some material
> unavailable (or at least "unpublished" on the listserver) before.
>
> There are no adverse copyright implications on any of this material. It
> is either public domain or constitutes fair use, largely based on the
> two principles that it is legitimate academic research and second, that
> no one is either selling the stuff or "chilling" anybody else's market.
>
> While we are all hugely grateful to fellow-contributors, I have made no
> attempt to claim or assign "credit" for any of this work and likewise I
> don't want to create any unrealistic expectation that it is a
> well-organized "study." It is simply a record of what has been
> accumulated that I have in my "storage." My purposes in wanting to
> share this information with you are several: 1) perhaps I can add to
> your own information, 2) I hope that each of you will be so kind as to
> forward me corrections and or missing pieces (or whole chunks) that I
> may have missed and that YOU have..and 3) of course, as these CDs get
> distributed among you a database will exist which I hope might fall into
> the hands of some future family historian and save him or her many, many
> hours of work.
>
> While some of the information is inclusive of other states the
> concentration on purpose is directed to Virginia, a topic on which we
> all share a common interest.
>
> Below is a brief description of some of the "headings":
>
> ^ Batte...complete, the text, Diana's "lines", and scans of every one of
> Batte's 205 index cards on Poythress courtesy of Ted Kingsbury.
>
> ^ Boddie.complete..all "scanned"..I will add at this point that when I
> refer to scans you may expect to have to view these through a "viewer"
> such as MS Photoeditor and magnify them either once or twice for
> reading. And some of the scans get a bit ragged. Documents and pages
> this old don't scan perfectly..or even well..and, as you all know, I'm
> not especially technically hip.
>
> ^ Census (all states).essentially I used Elaine's work.
>
> ^ CSA service lists
>
> ^ Dr. W. B. Hall on Poythress..scanned in total.
>
> ^ Illustrations, various..thanks to all contributors.
>
> ^ Individual wills and estate administrations (69 of
> them)..chronologically.
>
> ^ Poythress land patents..both direct grants/patents and the Poythress
> references in other patents..arranged chronologically.
>
> ^ the Swem Index...essentially this amounts to scans of all the
> Poythress
> references from the various publications covered by the Swem indexes.
> This is a huge number of scans, several hundred pages as a guess.
>
> ^ VA databases BY COUNTY. What I did here was to take all of the "runs"
> of various specific documents, facts, etc., re-cut the pie "by counties"
> and restacked them chronologically.
>
> ^ VA files & folders..this is quite lengthy but is an assortment of
> documents not especially large enough for "headings" of their
> own..Bristol Parish Records, the Maitland Bible, William Byrd Diary
> entries, Rev. War Bounty Grants, etc.
>
>
> All I need to mail you a CD (no charge) is a snail mail address..the
> "expense" related to this project is minimal at the most and I am
> delighted if it will bring any information here-to-now unknown to any of
> you. Just send me your snail mail (if you wish privately to me at
> brerfox@bellsouth.net ) and a CD will go out to you within only a day or
> so.
>
> On a final note, I'll comment again to the effect that some of this
> material is far from "complete" (although I tried to mention it when
> ends were left dangling) and
> what I would really love to have from you is information supplementing
> what you will see (I hope) right off is that is missing and that YOU may
> have.
>
> A good example of this is the patents. They are in several "forms":
> full text, abstracts, surveyor talk, etc. I would like to get them all
> into "full text" form and if you have such on any one or more just email
> the information to me and I will bring the "master CD" up to date.
> When all of you have gone through this process it will be a simple
> matter to burn another set of CD's and mail out the revisions. CDs cost
> about a nickel so this is not a federal case.
>
> And..also, don't forget that many of you will have full and complete
> records of a number of documents that well may not even be included
> here. Obviously, those are very important to the group..sent to me they
> will be included on the master
> CD.
>
> Be waiting to hear from you.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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07/07/2005 8:35:52
Whitney F. Poythress, Jr. Co-pilot World War II
Barbara P. Neal
Dear List-subscribers,
We are fortunate to learn much more this week about Whitney Fulton
Poythress, Jr., who died in combat in World War II. Some of you may
recall that on 14 Jan 2004 Elaine ran across the first info about him on
Ancestry.com as follows, and she asked if any of us knew who he was:
"World War II and Korean Conflict Veterans Interred Overseas
Name: Whitney F. Poythress Jr.
Inducted From: North Carolina
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Combat Organization: 568th Bomber Squadron 390th Bomber
Death Date: Dec.11, 1943
Monument: The Netherlands
Last Known Status: Missing
U.S. Awards: Purple Heart Medal, Air Medal, Additional Army Awards"
This weekend, Elaine and I heard from Terry Row, whose father (Perry V.
Row) was the B-17 Pilot with whom Whitney F. Poythress, Jr. trained and
served as Co-pilot. They and their B-17 Flying Fortress bomber, named
the “Phyllis Marie,” after Perry's wife, were stationed for a tour of
duty (then 25 missions) at Framlingham Army Air Field, near Ipswich,
England, from Sept. 1943, through Feb. 1944. They were with the 8th Air
Force, 390th Bombardment Group (H), 568th Squadron.
Terry is researching in order to write a book, entitled “Phyllis Marie,”
for Clifton Edwin Publishing, and ran across Elaine's above posting.
Terry gave us a lot of info for our Poythress Research website,
including a fuzzy photo of the crew in front the "Phyllis Marie" and an
official military portrait of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr., who was known
as Billy. I'll be sending the info and the photos to our webmaster, Al
TIms, requesting he post it. In the meantime, if any of you want the
photos, please email me and I'll be glad to email them to you.
Below I have combined Terry's info with more that Elaine and I have
found. Much of his included information from his parents, Phyllis Row,
living, and Perry V. Row, who died in 1997. (Unless I note that Elaine
or I found the info, it came from Terry.)
WHITNEY FULTON POYTHRESS, JR. was born June 11, 1922, in Chapel Hill,
North Carolina. He graduated from Chapel Hill High School and attended
the University of North Carolina in the ROTC program. His address before
the war was 113 Kenan Drive; Chapel Hill, NC.
His father, Whitney Fulton Poythress, went by the nickname “Bill,” for
reason unknown to Terry, and Whitney Jr. was known as “Billy,” as early
as grammar school. Terry did not know Billy's mother's name.
Elaine found Billy's mother listed as "Lillie" with W.F. Poythress, Sr.,
in the 1930 Census in Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC. See Elaine's
Poythress Census info at our Poythress Research website
www.poythress.net). In 1930, W.F. Jr. was the only child in the W.F.
Poythress household.
I found in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) at RootsWeb that
Lillie M. Poythress (born 13 Sep 1902) died 4 March 1991; her Social
Security number was issued in NC. Her husband, Whitney Poythress, Sr.,
is listed in the SSDI as Whitney Poythress; born 12 Dec 1900; died May
1982; last residence in zip 27514, which is Chapel Hill, Orange Co, NC;
his Social Security number was also issued in NC. The SSDI is found at
http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi
Further, thru the earlier Censuses, Elaine found more of Billy's family
line: Whitney Poythress, Sr. was found in the 1910 Census (age 9) and
the 1920 Census (age 19) in the same area (Chapel Hill, Orange Co, NC),
in home of his parents, Simeon E. and Ola Poythress (So these would be
the paternal grandparents of Billy aka Whitney Poythress, Jr). In the
1900 Census, those grandparents Simeon & Ola Poythress were in the same
county, with no children yet.
In the 1880 Census, Elaine found Simeon Poythress (age 12, born in NC)
in Chatham County, NC (Baldwin Twp), in the home of his parents George
W. and Permelia Poythress (So these would be the paternal
great-grandparents of Billy aka Whitney Poythress, Jr). George W.
Poythress was listed as age 43 and born in VA.
In the 1870 Census, Elaine also found Simeon in Person County, NC (Flat
River Twp); Simeon was listed as age 2 and born in NC, in the home of
his parents, George W. & Permelia Poythress. George W. Poythress was
listed as age 31, born in VA.
Most likely this George W. Poythress (great-grandfather of "Billy"
Whitney Fulton Poythress, Jr.) was a son of David Poythress of
Mecklenburg Co, VA (who was born in January of 1800). In the 1850
Mecklenburg Co, VA Census, David's son George W. was shown as age 9.
This "George W." child is the only George Poythress having a middle
initial of "W" who we find in the Virginia Censuses. (There was one
other Poythress child in Virginia named George, who was son of the
huckster Benjamin Poythress, but we know from descendents in that line
that his name was George Alexander Poythress, not George W.)
Terry knew that "Billy" Whitney Fulton Poythress, Jr. had no brothers,
but had two younger sisters, who were perhaps 10 or 11 years younger.
One sister's name was Patsy; the other sister's name was unknown.
Billy married Francis (Fran) Montjoy, the daughter of the Manager of the
local A & P grocery store in Chapel Hill. Billy worked for Mr. Montjoy.
He and Fran knew each other all through grammar school and high school
before marrying, sometime around 1942, certainly before May of 1943,
which is when Terry's parents met them both in Walla Walla, Washington.
Billy and Fran Poythress had no children.
Billy enlisted in the Army Air Corps and was trained at Maxwell and
Gunter Fields in Alabama; Blytheville Field, Arkansas; Ephrata Army Air
Field at Walla Walla, Washington; and Redmond Army Air Field at Redmond,
Oregon before going overseas for combat duty.
Terry's father, then 2nd Lt. Perry V. Row, was assigned to Ephrata Army
Air Field near Walla Walla, Washington on April 22, 1943 for B-17 Pilot
Training School. On May 11, he selected the first 5 members of his
10-man crew, and on May 16, 1943, he was assigned a Co-Pilot: 2nd Lt.
Whitney F. Poythress, Jr. -- "Billy."
They became good friends. Billy & Fran, and Perry & Phyllis, along with
4 other officers & their wives, lived together in Oregon in a condemned
hospital building with 6 rooms, one kitchen, and one bathroom. That crew
flew together on all training missions at Ephrata and Redmond, Oregon,
and on all combat missions out of Framlingham Air Field, near Ipswich,
England, except for Billy's final mission. They were a tight bunch, a
family. Perry Row referred to Billy as being like a brother to him.
Phyllis Row remembers Billy and Fran often buying little gifts for
Billy's little sisters.
After the crew’s first combat mission, Perry was promoted to 1st. Lt.
Whenever crew 7 flew in “Phyllis Marie,” they seemed to be charmed. The
only injury among the ten men through sixteen missions came when they
were flying a different aircraft, when one man was wounded in the arm.
The only serious damage to aircraft they flew came when they flew in
substitute aircraft, while “Phyllis Marie” was in the Maintenance Yard.
On several occasions, they received heavy flak.
On Dec. 11, 1943, for that crew's 17th mission (a mission to the port
area of Emden, Germany), the “Phyllis Marie” was chosen as the Deputy
Lead airplane, second in command for the entire squadron. As a result,
the Co-Pilot, Billy Poythress, was not assigned to the flight, because
his seat was given to the Deputy Command Pilot, one of the 390th
Bombardment Group's senior officers, Major Good.
Not wanting to be left back from the mission, Billy wrangled his way on
board the Lead airplane, named “Six Nights in Telergma,” piloted by
veteran Pilot Hiram Skogmo. For that mission, Billy was assigned as the
Tail Gunner and Observer. It was his duty as Observer to watch the
formation of the entire squadron (18 planes) and direct traffic,
instructing pilots to move their airplanes in closer or out further, as
necessary. When Billy, facing backwards, looked to his immediate left,
he could see his regular plane, the “Phyllis Marie.” When Perry looked
to his immediate left, he could see the Lead plane with Billy in the
tail gunner position.
After the squadron crossed the English Channel, at landfall over the
Netherlands, six German fighter planes appeared directly in front of the
squadron, coming in fast, firing rockets. They concentrated their fire
on the lead ship, knocking it out of the air. The crew of the “Phyllis
Marie” watched helplessly, as the plane went down in flames. They
counted three parachutes leave the airplane, but not from Billy’s Tail
Gunner position. Another 30 enemy aircraft joined the battle, and an
additional 4 B-17s were knocked down in the battle.
Lt. Row, as Deputy Lead, moved up into the Lead position, and led the
squadron on the bombing raid. When his bombardier called “Bombs Away,”
all the bombardiers in the squadron let loose their bombs. The 390th
were later credited with destroying 11 fighters, probably destroying 3
others, and damaging 8. Because of poor weather, the bombing could not
be assessed that day. The “Phyllis Marie” returned to base with no
injury and no damage, as usual.
Billy, then age 21, was listed as Missing In Action (MIA). One of the
three parachutes that fell on Dec 11, 1943 from “Six Nights in
Telergma,” carried a man who became a Prisoner Of War (POW), and after
the war, he confirmed that the other 7 crew members that day went down
with the ship. Thus sometime after 1947, Billy’s listing was officially
changed to Killed In Action (KIA). As noted in Elaine's original
posting, copied above, his name is inscribed on a tablet in one of our
American Cemeteries in the Netherlands. Those cemeteries are
administered by the American Battle Monuments Commission.
Perry V. Row and the rest of the original crew completed their 25
missions with several different Co-Pilots filling in. The only
additional injuries to members of crew 7 came at a ground school lecture
on armaments, when an incendiary bomb exploded and 4 crewmembers
received minor injuries. Row, by then a Captain, was sitting in the
front row, right in front of the bomb, but he escaped injury. After the
9 survivors of the original crew rotated home in February of 1944,
another crew took over the “Phyllis Marie.” On their first mission in
the airplane, March 8, 1944, the plane was badly damaged. Most of that
new crew parachuted to safety, but because one crewmember was wounded
and couldn’t get out, the Pilot landed safely behind enemy lines in
Germany. Those crewmembers finished the war as POWs. The “Phyllis Marie”
was captured intact and added to the German KG-200 Air Force (captured
foreign aircraft) and used by the Germans as a decoy, attacking American
formations and causing confusion until the end of the war.
Billy's mother did not shared Phyllis Row's letters with her daughters,
but when she died, Patsy and her sister found the letters, tied up with
ribbon. In the early 1990s, shortly after their mother died, Billy's
sister Patsy and her husband located and visited Perry and Phyllis Row
in California.
Regarding the photos Terry Row sent:
One is the official portrait of Lt. Whitney Fulton (Billy) Poythress,
Jr. (Bpn note: I note from the original info that Elaine found that he
may still have been a 2nd Lt. when he died, though Terry's info with his
portrait said 1st Lt. I have no info re if/when Billy was promoted from
2nd Lt. to 1st Lt.)
For the other photo, Terry noted the names of the crewmembers as
follows, and he added "If this crew ever posed for a formal photograph
(officers, standing behind the enlisted men, kneeling), I have never
seen it. I think this photograph, with officers and enlisted men
scattered randomly, is a reflection of what a tight family this crew was."
Front row (L-R, kneeling): 1st Lt. James Fitzsimmons - Bombardier,
T/Sgt. Erice Bennett - Engineer/Top Turret.
Back row: (L-R): S/Sgt. Louis Kiss - Tail Gunner, 1st Lt. Lester
Boettcher - Navigator, S/Sgt. Robert McCormick - Waist Gunner, S/Sgt.
Arthur Dix - Ball Turret, T/Sgt. Mathias Biehl - Radio Operator, 1st Lt.
Whitney Poythress - Co-Pilot, S/Sgt. Walter Byrne - Waist Gunner, 1st
Lt. Perry Row - Pilot.
Behind the crew is a good shot of the "Phyllis Marie" - a B-17F. It was
accepted by USAAF 14 Jul 43. Denver Mod Center 17 Jul 43. Scott Field
10 Aug 43. 8th AF 24 Aug 43. Assigned to Lt. Row and crew 12 Sep 43.
Assigned to Lt. Quackenbush 4 Mar 44. MIA Berlin 8 Mar 44. Landed intact
at Werben, Germany. Assigned by Luftwaffe to KG200. All crew POW.
07/10/2005 1:19:04
Poythress Mill
John M. Poythress
Well, we have (or had) ourselves a street in Hopewell and a creek in
King
George County. Anybody care to try for a grist mill in Garyville?
We have any live members who poke about in the Petersburg
library?
Maynard
HScherer wrote:
Hello, List---I was researching the William Gary
family in Prince George Co, VA ., in 1713. He lived
in a small town of Garysville, "located a short
distance from Hopewell, some eleven miles east of
Petersburg, on the old stage road between Richmond
and Norfolk, VA It has a large grist mill, so
essential to the early settlers. The old mill was
called 'Poythess Mill', 'Bland Mill' and finally
'Cocke Mill', probably named for subsequent owners."
I don't remember reading about a Poythress owning a
grist mill in Garysville. Thought you'd like this
tidbit.
Harriet
07/10/2005 12:07:37
Re: Poythress Mill
Barbara P. Neal
I don't know whether it would be the same mill or not, but the location
sounds like it could be. First I looked on MapQuest to see where
Garysville is located. It is at the intersection of the Old Stage Road
and James River Drive (aka state/county? Route 10 -- the road from
Hopewell toward Surry). MapQuest doesn't show Powell's Creek, so if one
of you has some source that shows Powell's Creek, perhaps we can tell if
this is the same mill.
I found the following in our Poythress-List Message Archives, one of
Michael Tutor's wonderful "Poythress Chronicles" messages, from 17 Jan 2004:
In Michael's section regarding "Peter Poythress (c. 1684-), son of John
Poythress (c. 1639-1712)" with the info coming from "A Virginia
Heritage" by Eleanor Brown Merrill. Michael noted that this book was
privately printed in 1968 and is in The National Genealogical Society
Library. CS71.B88 1968 C.1 6417. Michael abstracted info from pages 51
and 52, ending with the following paragraph:
"From the above we gather that Peter Poythress married Mrs. Ann Baker;
they owned a water mill on Powell's Creek sold to them by John Hardyman,
and had one daughter, Anne, who married Richard Bland of "Jordans;" the
grandson of John Bland who in 1657 had acquired this tract of land from
the first Benjamin Harrison's widow. A daughter, Christian Poythress,
married John Fitzgerald and their daughter, Elizabeth, married Archibald
Robertson; whence came the dual relationship of Susannah Peachy
Poythress, whose aunt, Mrs. Richard Eppes of Appomattox Manor, is
referred to later..."
7/10/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Well, we have (or had) ourselves a street in Hopewell and a creek in
> King
> George County. Anybody care to try for a grist mill in Garyville?
> We have any live members who poke about in the Petersburg
> library?
>
> Maynard
>
> HScherer wrote:
> Hello, List---I was researching the William Gary
> family in Prince George Co, VA ., in 1713. He lived
> in a small town of Garysville, "located a short
> distance from Hopewell, some eleven miles east of
> Petersburg, on the old stage road between Richmond
> and Norfolk, VA It has a large grist mill, so
> essential to the early settlers. The old mill was
> called 'Poythess Mill', 'Bland Mill' and finally
> 'Cocke Mill', probably named for subsequent owners."
> I don't remember reading about a Poythress owning a
> grist mill in Garysville. Thought you'd like this
> tidbit.
> Harriet
07/11/2005 2:29:39
Re: Poythress Mill
Barbara P. Neal
Aha, right after sending off my below message just now, I coaxed
MapQuest into showing the creeks of the area of Garysville. Indeed
Powell's Creek runs right there (about 0.1 to 0.2 mile from the
intersection mentioned below).
Barbara
Barbara P. Neal wrote:
> I don't know whether it would be the same mill or not, but the
location sounds like it could be. First I looked on MapQuest to see
where Garysville is located. It is at the intersection of the Old Stage
Road and James River Drive (aka state/county? Route 10 -- the road from
Hopewell toward Surry). MapQuest doesn't show Powell's Creek, so if one
of you has some source that shows Powell's Creek, perhaps we can tell if
this is the same mill.
>
> I found the following in our Poythress-List Message Archives, one of
Michael Tutor's wonderful "Poythress Chronicles" messages, from 17 Jan
2004:
>
> In Michael's section regarding "Peter Poythress (c. 1684-), son of
John Poythress (c. 1639-1712)" with the info coming from "A Virginia
Heritage" by Eleanor Brown Merrill. Michael noted that this book was
privately printed in 1968 and is in The National Genealogical Society
Library. CS71.B88 1968 C.1 6417. Michael abstracted info from pages 51
and 52, ending with the following paragraph:
>
> "From the above we gather that Peter Poythress married Mrs. Ann Baker;
they owned a water mill on Powell's Creek sold to them by John Hardyman,
and had one daughter, Anne, who married Richard Bland of "Jordans;" the
grandson of John Bland who in 1657 had acquired this tract of land from
the first Benjamin Harrison's widow. A daughter, Christian Poythress,
married John Fitzgerald and their daughter, Elizabeth, married Archibald
Robertson; whence came the dual relationship of Susannah Peachy
Poythress, whose aunt, Mrs. Richard Eppes of Appomattox Manor, is
referred to later..."
07/11/2005 2:37:00
RE: Poythress Mill
Ted Kingsbury
That's about six miles from the home of the "other" Peter Poythress of
Branchester, where there was apparently another mill. Just to avoid
confusion, the daughter, Christian, mentioned in the quote below, was the
sister of Peter of Flowerdew Hundred, and daughter of John P. The daughter,
Ann who married Richard Bland, was the sole heir. Perhaps that's how the
mill's name changed from Poythress' Mill to Bland's Mill. There were
certainly plenty of Cocke's in the area who could have obtained the mill
through marriage or purchase.
Ted Kingsbury
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:30 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress Mill
I don't know whether it would be the same mill or not, but the location
sounds like it could be. First I looked on MapQuest to see where Garysville
is located. It is at the intersection of the Old Stage Road and James River
Drive (aka state/county? Route 10 -- the road from Hopewell toward Surry).
MapQuest doesn't show Powell's Creek, so if one of you has some source that
shows Powell's Creek, perhaps we can tell if this is the same mill.
I found the following in our Poythress-List Message Archives, one of Michael
Tutor's wonderful "Poythress Chronicles" messages, from 17 Jan 2004:
In Michael's section regarding "Peter Poythress (c. 1684-), son of John
Poythress (c. 1639-1712)" with the info coming from "A Virginia Heritage" by
Eleanor Brown Merrill. Michael noted that this book was privately printed in
1968 and is in The National Genealogical Society Library. CS71.B88 1968 C.1
6417. Michael abstracted info from pages 51 and 52, ending with the
following paragraph:
"From the above we gather that Peter Poythress married Mrs. Ann Baker; they
owned a water mill on Powell's Creek sold to them by John Hardyman, and had
one daughter, Anne, who married Richard Bland of "Jordans;" the grandson of
John Bland who in 1657 had acquired this tract of land from the first
Benjamin Harrison's widow. A daughter, Christian Poythress, married John
Fitzgerald and their daughter, Elizabeth, married Archibald Robertson;
whence came the dual relationship of Susannah Peachy Poythress, whose aunt,
Mrs. Richard Eppes of Appomattox Manor, is referred to later..."
7/10/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Well, we have (or had) ourselves a street in Hopewell and a creek in
> King George County. Anybody care to try for a grist mill in Garyville?
> We have any live members who poke about in the Petersburg library?
>
> Maynard
>
> HScherer wrote:
> Hello, List---I was researching the William Gary family in Prince
> George Co, VA ., in 1713. He lived in a small town of Garysville,
> "located a short distance from Hopewell, some eleven miles east of
> Petersburg, on the old stage road between Richmond and Norfolk, VA It
> has a large grist mill, so essential to the early settlers. The old
> mill was called 'Poythess Mill', 'Bland Mill' and finally 'Cocke
> Mill', probably named for subsequent owners."
> I don't remember reading about a Poythress owning a grist mill in
> Garysville. Thought you'd like this tidbit.
> Harriet
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Rev War info websites
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard.
7/19/2005 John M. Poythress wrote:
> A post from Amelia board this morning. I sent it as a "link" when it
> first appeared on the Dinwiddie board but Outlook told me it didn't go
> through. Some of it's helpful but you sure have to get surprised by a
> bunch of Ancestry.Com links with their usual line "pay me."
> Maynard
>
>
> I've been working on a Revolutionary War project and I've gathered links
> to some helpful genealogy sites. The first section is a general one and
> the second is devoted to Virginia. Nancy
>
> GENERAL:
>
> The American Revolutionary War: American Units, British Units, Loyalits,
> Battles, Campaigns http://www.myrevolutionarywar.com/
>
> Military Links Collection Revolutionary War
> http://www.usigs.org/library/military/links/revwar.html
>
> Revolutionary War Records
> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/military/revolutionary/
>
> Revolutionary War Military Records Research
> http://www.geneoalgy.com/24_myra_print.html
>
> The Revolutionary War
> http://aklein.webhostme.com/war/revolutionary_war.htm
>
> American Revolution Links
> http://ushistory.org/march/links.htm
>
> Loyalist Resources http://olivetreegenealogy.com/loy/loyres.shtml
>
> Hessian Soldiers of the Revolution
> http://member.tripod.com/~Silvie/Hessian.html
>
> US Army Center of Military; Bibliographies of the War of American
> Independence http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/revwar.htm
>
> U.S. Military Records Research Outline
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/images/34118_Military.pdf
>
> American Revolutionary War Soldiers & Their Descendants
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ars/
>
> Revolutionary War Information http://www.revolutionary-war.info/
>
> VIRGINIA:
>
> Using Virginia Revolutionary War Records
> http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/mil/rn8_varev.htm
>
> The Revolution in Virginia http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/varevtoc.htm
>
> Military Records and Resources http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/mil/
>
> Sources for Virginia Genealogy Research
> http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/uclittle1f.htm
>
> Revolutionary War Records http://www.mindspring.com/~kellcin/revwar.htm
>
>
> Nancy, visit the family:
> My G-Grandfather's Attic
> www.geocities.com/twincousin2334
07/19/2005 4:08:04
John M. Poythress
A post from Amelia board this morning. I sent it as a "link" when it
first appeared on the Dinwiddie board but Outlook told me it didn't go
through. Some of it's helpful but you sure have to get surprised by a
bunch of Ancestry.Com links with their usual line "pay me."
Maynard
I've been working on a Revolutionary War project and I've gathered links
to some helpful genealogy sites. The first section is a general one and
the second is devoted to Virginia. Nancy
GENERAL:
The American Revolutionary War: American Units, British Units, Loyalits,
Battles, Campaigns http://www.myrevolutionarywar.com/
Military Links Collection Revolutionary War
http://www.usigs.org/library/military/links/revwar.html
Revolutionary War Records
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/military/revolutionary/
Revolutionary War Military Records Research
http://www.geneoalgy.com/24_myra_print.html
The Revolutionary War
http://aklein.webhostme.com/war/revolutionary_war.htm
American Revolution Links
http://ushistory.org/march/links.htm
Hessian Soldiers of the Revolution
http://member.tripod.com/~Silvie/Hessian.html
US Army Center of Military; Bibliographies of the War of American
Independence http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/revwar.htm
U.S. Military Records Research Outline
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/images/34118_Military.pdf
American Revolutionary War Soldiers & Their Descendants
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ars/
Revolutionary War Information http://www.revolutionary-war.info/
VIRGINIA:
Using Virginia Revolutionary War Records
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/mil/rn8_varev.htm
The Revolution in Virginia http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/varevtoc.htm
Military Records and Resources http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/mil/
Sources for Virginia Genealogy Research
http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/uclittle1f.htm
Revolutionary War Records http://www.mindspring.com/~kellcin/revwar.htm
Nancy, visit the family:
My G-Grandfather's Attic
www.geocities.com/twincousin2334
07/19/2005 10:14:07
Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Julie Cabitto
I got the Chancery case today, finally! Newman Dortch is supposed to be father-in-law of Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
I was bummed that there was no mention of any children or grand children for Newman. Here's info that may interest some of you. According to this chancery case, filed Feb 1826: James Speed had four children:
1-Martha Speed married to Nathaniel Moss
2- Mary Speed married to Lewis Dortch
3- Sally Speed married to Newman Dortch
4- Elizabeth Speed.
Note: Lewis Dortch and Newman Dortch were brothers. Lewis and Mary Speed were not in VA in April 1826 when they were summoned to court. Sarah Ann Speed was referred to as Sally. Newman Dortch and Sally Speed moved into James Speed's house while he was still living in Sept 1821. "Courthouse Rd" ran through part of the property was. Not sure where that was. So unfortunately was not able to find out any Poythress info from this case. If you are interested in a transcribed copy when I finish it, let me know. I can also scan a copy of the plat. I do not see at first read through, a resolution to the case. I ordered some deed indexes. I plan to follow the paper trail of this land to see if any Dortch or Poythress inherited this house in case there may be a family cemetery on the old homestead. There is no mention of James Speed's wife, so I am guessing she may have died long before he did. It's pretty cool to see signatures of a gr....grandpa Newman Dortch in the 1820's 🙂
Love,
Julie
07/20/2005 2:28:45
Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Julie Cabitto
Sorry, it is Mecklenburg County VA. I'll send you a copy 🙂
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
> Thanks Julie for letting us know you got it. Can you please refresh our
> memory re the citation, & in which county, for this case?
>
> And yes, I would very much appreciate reading the transcription after
> you finish it.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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07/20/2005 4:43:06
BellSouth DSL Prices
John M. Poythress
This for the couple of us and their friends who still are on BellSouth
DSL:
I had gotten fed up paying 42.95/mo when cable was offering $30. Talked
to BLS couple of times and got a Lillie Tomlin clone with a line of B.
S. each time: "sorry, but you're not qualified for any discounts and
Bell South IS competitive anyway." I was about 24 hrs. from phoning the
cable company.
Article in WSJ this AM "BellSouth Shaves DSL Prices" says anybody with
both DSL and "basic" phone service was "eligible."
Bell spokesman Jeff Batcher says "This is straightforward...No more of
the gimmicks." Price is cut $10/mo to 32.95. Of course this still
compares to cable at about $30 and Comcast at 19.95 and SBC at 14.95 but
the last two don't serve my area and I just as soon not change for $3 a
month. Besides, in another couple of years they'll be giving DSL away
when you buy a pizza anyway.
I email chatted with BLS to inquire about my status and be sure that I
qualify as having "basic" service; that is, without call forwarding or
any of those other bells and whistles they always want to pile on you.
Lady says, yes sir, all you have to do is phone the billing office to
change your billing and you'll be billed $32.95 (plus all the customary
mickey mouse add-ons I'm sure) effective 7/24.
What happens if one didn't read the article in the WSJ and/or didn't
know to phone 'em..gee, I guess they would have just kept billing at the
turkey price forever..it ain't your father's phone company any more.
I'll withhold judgment on whether or not there are "gimmicks" in here
when I see my first bill; the ISP market has gotten about as sleezy as
used cars..blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be
disappointed..Alexander Pope I'm seeming to remember .
Maynard
07/20/2005 10:15:43
Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Julie for letting us know you got it. Can you please refresh our
memory re the citation, & in which county, for this case?
And yes, I would very much appreciate reading the transcription after
you finish it.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
07/20/2005 11:47:42
Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Julie.
Cheers,
Barbara
07/21/2005 2:28:31
Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Julie, I would like a copy also. Let me know the cost & I will be glad to pay you.
Judy Speed Scruggs
>
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> Date: 2005/07/20 Wed PM 08:28:45 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>
> I got the Chancery case today, finally! Newman Dortch is supposed to be father-in-law of Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>
> I was bummed that there was no mention of any children or grand children for Newman. Here's info that may interest some of you. According to this chancery case, filed Feb 1826: James Speed had four children:
> 1-Martha Speed married to Nathaniel Moss
> 2- Mary Speed married to Lewis Dortch
> 3- Sally Speed married to Newman Dortch
> 4- Elizabeth Speed.
>
> Note: Lewis Dortch and Newman Dortch were brothers. Lewis and Mary Speed were not in VA in April 1826 when they were summoned to court. Sarah Ann Speed was referred to as Sally. Newman Dortch and Sally Speed moved into James Speed's house while he was still living in Sept 1821. "Courthouse Rd" ran through part of the property was. Not sure where that was. So unfortunately was not able to find out any Poythress info from this case. If you are interested in a transcribed copy when I finish it, let me know. I can also scan a copy of the plat. I do not see at first read through, a resolution to the case. I ordered some deed indexes. I plan to follow the paper trail of this land to see if any Dortch or Poythress inherited this house in case there may be a family cemetery on the old homestead. There is no mention of James Speed's wife, so I am guessing she may have died long before he did. It's pretty cool to see signatures of a gr....grandpa Newman Dortch in the 1820's 🙂
> Love,
> Julie
>
>
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>
07/21/2005 7:58:09
RE: 24 July 2005 Obit - Linday J. Poythress, Meridian, MS
Thanks BPN for the heads up on the Meridian Star Obit. Since so many of us
of the James Speed Poythress line are scattered across the country these
updates are appreciated.
Take care,
Elaine
Thanks to a good friend, I have learned Sunday night that an obituary
appeared on Sunday 24 July 2005 in the Meridian Star newspaper, Meridian,
Mississippi, for Linda J. Poythress.
She's survived by husband Ronnie Poythress (Ronald Wayne Poythress, who
is son of Robert Lee Poythress, by his wife Drew Black, I understand --
in the James Speed Poythress line). Linda & Ronnie have a son & a
daughter, both of whom survive her.
I'm told that Linda Poythress was 50; was a clerical employee with
Peavey Electronics (a large employer in Meridian); and a member of
Poplar Springs Drive Baptist Church. She died Saturday, 23 July at Rush
Foundation Hospital.
Stephens Funeral Home is handling the arrangements. Visitation will be
Monday 5-8pm at the funeral home. The funeral will be on Tuesday at 10am
at the funeral home chapel; burial will be in Magnolia Cemetery.
07/25/2005 3:38:13
RE: Database CD
Deloris Riley
I would love to have a copy of your CD and will be happy to pay any
costs involved. (I will take it to the San Antonio Genealogical
Library--we have a wonderful stand-alone building-- for others to
puruse.) However, I do have a couple of questions/suggestions. If you
quote Boddie, keep in mind that there are many
errors/corrections/omissions in his works. They should really not be
construed as "errors" since he did the very best he could with the
information that he had, and did provide us with a basic work to "follow
up on", but there are several incorrect listings regarding the Wynnes,
Bells and other families. Also, could you, please, note that we do not
know when/where Francis Poythress, husband of Mary, died and THEREFORE
can not verify if Mary was the mother of all of Robert Wynne's children?
I really do look forward to your postings. Thank you for sharing.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:45 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Database CD
For some time now I have felt a need to capture in one place the
Poythress
and related family information we have accumulated over the past years.
For one
thing, nothing new has been posted to the website for several years..and
during
that interim many of you have made great contributions of citations of
legal
records, copies of histories, etc. I have accumulated quite a pile
myself.
Over the past few months I have been trying to capture all of this
information on
a single CD-ROM to share with those of you that I think would be
interested in
the information. I make no claim to having it "all." However, I likely
have a ton of it and it's also likely that I have some material
unavailable (or at least "unpublished" on the listserver) before.
There are no adverse copyright implications on any of this material. It
is either public domain or constitutes fair use, largely based on the
two principles that it is legitimate academic research and second, that
no one is either selling the stuff or "chilling" anybody else's market.
While we are all hugely grateful to fellow-contributors, I have made no
attempt to claim or assign "credit" for any of this work and likewise I
don't want to create any unrealistic expectation that it is a
well-organized "study." It is simply a record of what has been
accumulated that I have in my "storage." My purposes in wanting to
share this information with you are several: 1) perhaps I can add to
your own information, 2) I hope that each of you will be so kind as to
forward me corrections and or missing pieces (or whole chunks) that I
may have missed and that YOU have..and 3) of course, as these CDs get
distributed among you a database will exist which I hope might fall into
the hands of some future family historian and save him or her many, many
hours of work.
While some of the information is inclusive of other states the
concentration on purpose is directed to Virginia, a topic on which we
all share a common interest.
Below is a brief description of some of the "headings":
^ Batte...complete, the text, Diana's "lines", and scans of every one of
Batte's 205 index cards on Poythress courtesy of Ted Kingsbury.
^ Boddie.complete..all "scanned"..I will add at this point that when I
refer to scans you may expect to have to view these through a "viewer"
such as MS Photoeditor and magnify them either once or twice for
reading. And some of the scans get a bit ragged. Documents and pages
this old don't scan perfectly..or even well..and, as you all know, I'm
not especially technically hip.
^ Census (all states).essentially I used Elaine's work.
^ CSA service lists
^ Dr. W. B. Hall on Poythress..scanned in total.
^ Illustrations, various..thanks to all contributors.
^ Individual wills and estate administrations (69 of
them)..chronologically.
^ Poythress land patents..both direct grants/patents and the Poythress
references in other patents..arranged chronologically.
^ the Swem Index...essentially this amounts to scans of all the
Poythress
references from the various publications covered by the Swem indexes.
This is a huge number of scans, several hundred pages as a guess.
^ VA databases BY COUNTY. What I did here was to take all of the "runs"
of various specific documents, facts, etc., re-cut the pie "by counties"
and restacked them chronologically.
^ VA files & folders..this is quite lengthy but is an assortment of
documents not especially large enough for "headings" of their
own..Bristol Parish Records, the Maitland Bible, William Byrd Diary
entries, Rev. War Bounty Grants, etc.
All I need to mail you a CD (no charge) is a snail mail address..the
"expense" related to this project is minimal at the most and I am
delighted if it will bring any information here-to-now unknown to any of
you. Just send me your snail mail (if you wish privately to me at
brerfox@bellsouth.net ) and a CD will go out to you within only a day or
so.
On a final note, I'll comment again to the effect that some of this
material is far from "complete" (although I tried to mention it when
ends were left dangling) and
what I would really love to have from you is information supplementing
what you will see (I hope) right off is that is missing and that YOU may
have.
A good example of this is the patents. They are in several "forms":
full text, abstracts, surveyor talk, etc. I would like to get them all
into "full text" form and if you have such on any one or more just email
the information to me and I will bring the "master CD" up to date.
When all of you have gone through this process it will be a simple
matter to burn another set of CD's and mail out the revisions. CDs cost
about a nickel so this is not a federal case.
And..also, don't forget that many of you will have full and complete
records of a number of documents that well may not even be included
here. Obviously, those are very important to the group..sent to me they
will be included on the master
CD.
Be waiting to hear from you.
Best,
Maynard
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07/25/2005 4:36:18
24 July 2005 obit - Linda J Poythress, Meridian, MS
Thanks to a good friend, I have learned Sunday night that an obituary appeared on Sunday 24 July 2005 in the Meridian Star newspaper, Meridian, Mississippi, for Linda J. Poythress.
She's survived by husband Ronnie Poythress (Ronald Wayne Poythress, who
is son of Robert Lee Poythress, by his wife Drew Black, I understand --
in the James Speed Poythress line). Linda & Ronnie have a son & a
daughter, both of whom survive her.
I'm told that Linda Poythress was 50; was a clerical employee with
Peavey Electronics (a large employer in Meridian); and a member of
Poplar Springs Drive Baptist Church. She died Saturday, 23 July at Rush
Foundation Hospital.
Stephens Funeral Home is handling the arrangements. Visitation will be
Monday 5-8pm at the funeral home. The funeral will be on Tuesday at 10am
at the funeral home chapel; burial will be in Magnolia Cemetery.
07/25/2005 10:44:43
RE: www.FunStuffForGenealogists.com
Sheryl
Thanks Maynard,
My grandson loves to play with a magnifing glass. Resting it right on the
paper is good to. It is sometimes hard to get it at the correct angle when
holding it.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
These people had a booth at a genealogy lecture I attended yesterday.
The web site advertises over 500 fun and
useful items for genealogists. To be sure, a ton of it is pure kitch
but there were several useful items.
The one that I think is great is the Carson Lumidome 3X acrylic
magnifier at $ 8.95. For those of us with fading
eyesight and/or difficult documents to read, this one is a jewel...a
"half globe" that rests directly on the paper and
the light admitting sides illuminate the object to be viewed/read.
They're advertised for viewing coins, stamps, etc.
but they work just as well on print and difficult text from genealogical
documents.
I only bought one for myself and on the way home thought of what a great
Christmas stocking stuffer they would make for
kids too..so I went on line and bought a couple more. (I didn't look
forever but I did check a few sites and I think the
8.95 is about as good as one will do).
Maynard
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08/07/2005 5:06:25
www.FunStuffForGenealogists.com
John M. Poythress
These people had a booth at a genealogy lecture I attended yesterday.
The web site advertises over 500 fun and
useful items for genealogists. To be sure, a ton of it is pure kitch
but there were several useful items.
The one that I think is great is the Carson Lumidome 3X acrylic
magnifier at $ 8.95. For those of us with fading
eyesight and/or difficult documents to read, this one is a jewel...a
"half globe" that rests directly on the paper and
the light admitting sides illuminate the object to be viewed/read.
They're advertised for viewing coins, stamps, etc.
but they work just as well on print and difficult text from genealogical
documents.
I only bought one for myself and on the way home thought of what a great
Christmas stocking stuffer they would make for
kids too..so I went on line and bought a couple more. (I didn't look
forever but I did check a few sites and I think the
8.95 is about as good as one will do).
Maynard
08/07/2005 5:53:05
Virginia Records Available
John M. Poythress
At the bottom of this page are a number clickable items, articles by
Barbara Vines Litte on VA sources available:
Thanks to BPW for bringing to my attention this household of the
Poytress family in Fresno County, CA, in the 1900 Census. The husband &
wife both came here to the US from England, where their parents were
also born. You will note that the surname is spelled without the "h" as
is consistent with the English spelling we learned of years ago from our
then-List members in England.
In response to BPW's question of me (copied below), no, these names do
not appear in the present day Poythress family in the Fresno County &
adjacent Madera County area of California. That Poythress family
descends from William E. Poythress (born 1833 in Georgia) & his wife
Martha J. Usher (born 1841 in Georgia), who married in 1857 in Georgia.
The family also knew that William E. Poythress' forebears came to
Georgia from Virginia -- hence their statement that BPW recalled, that
their line was from Virginia.
I found it quite interesting on the below-mentioned Census page and
adjacent pages, that many many families who came from various European
locations to grow fruit in that area of California.
1900 Census, 4th Judicial Township of Fresno County, CA; Supervisor's
District 5, Enumeration District 11, Sheet 7-B, enumerated 13 June 1900
by A.E.Balch, Dwelling 151, Family 152 (only the following 3 people in
the household/family):
- Poytress, John A., head, white, male, born Mar 1871, age 29, married
6 yrs, born England, father born England, mother born England,
immigrated to US in 1891, 9 yrs in US, Naturalized citizen, occupation
fruit grower, 0 months unemployed, can read, can write, can speak
English, owns farm, mortgaged, Farm, 132 is the number of his farm on
the Census Farm Schedule
- ---, Mary, wife, white, female, born Sept 1867, age 32, married 6
yrs, mother of 1 child, 1 child living, born England, father born
England, mother born England, immigrated to US in 1893, 7 yrs in US,
(naturalization status is a squiggle that probably means Not Applicable
since she gets her status from her husband), can read, can write, can
speak English
- ---, Eleanor M., daughter, white, female, born July 1894, age 5,
single, born California, father born England, mother born England,
attended school 4 months
Suggestion to BPW for finding your own John A. Poythress (son of Charles
David Poythress & Indiana Peru Twisdale): I don't now recall whether you
indicated to me in years gone by that he married Effie Eason in 1901, or
whether I just guesstimated that marriage year from the kids' births? If
indeed they weren't yet married as of June 1, 1900 (Census day) it would
be worthwhile to look for him in the vicinity of her. I know Effie was
daughter of Willis & Lucy. I looked briefly for their family in the 1900
Census, figuring JAP (who turned 26 in Jun 1900) *may* have been living
near that family. I suspect Willis Eason was dead by then. I saw a Lucy
Eason living as a boarder in another household in the town of Burgaw,
Pender Co, NC (just north of Wilmington), with a younger Julia Eason and
various other people there, too. Since I don't know Effie's siblings'
names, I'm not sure that's the right Lucy, but if it is, you might want
to browse thru that area's census pages, looking for a
no-doubt-misspelled John Poythress. One other thing I found interesting,
in case Effie had a brother also named Willis, is that there was a
younger Willis Eason in Sumter Co, AL, in the town of Payneville, so
that may be another good place to look for Effie (I didn't search on her
name; I think that Willis was shown as age 32; I don't have birthdates
for Effie's parents to be sure it's possible for this to be a son of
theirs.) Good luck, and please keep me posted if you find him/them.
8/7/2005 Barbara Poythress Wolfe wrote:
> Hi Barb,
> I have been searching for all the census records on my grandfather John
> Alexander Poythress. The one that I would like to find is 1900.
>
> And I ran across a John A. Poythress, about the same age as my JAP and
> he and his wife are in Fresno, CA. They are both from England. He is a
> fruit farmer. Just 'musing' if this might be any connection to the
> Poythress family that farms in this area. Know they responded at one
> time that they were from VA. Interesting.
08/08/2005 4:54:20
Re: www.FunStuffForGenealogists.com
In a message dated 8/7/2005 6:12:56 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
c.s.townsend@sbcglobal.net writes:
The one that I think is great is the Carson Lumidome 3X acrylic
magnifier at $ 8.95. For those of us with fading
eyesight and/or difficult documents to read, this one is a jewel...a
"half globe" that rests directly on the paper and
the light admitting sides illuminate the object to be viewed/read.
They're advertised for viewing coins, stamps, etc.
but they work just as well on print and difficult text from genealogical
documents.
How'd you know? You are just a wealth of information and I thank you for
sharing it. May your tribe increase!
Cuzzin Andie
Kailua HI 96734
08/08/2005 5:11:41
Re: John A. Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
Elaine, how great -- Yes, it looks to me like you found them. Guess the
Census-taker wrote down "brother" due to mis-info given or received
Seems like "boyfriend" or "fiance" of daughter may have been more
appropriate
Thanks so much for your quick help on this.
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello BPW & BPN. I found the following. Is this who you were looking for?
>
> ? means image is very faded and smudged on actual census page, so I am
> guessing.
> 1900 Federal Census
> Florence County, South Carolina, Florenct Twp. Sheet 4B, ED 37, June 9
> Household (?) #274 Lines 92-94
> Eason, Lucy- Head, age 42, Widow, born Oct 1857, NC, NC,NC
> Eason, Effied, daughter, born (?)April 1883, age 17, single, NC,NC,NC
> Poythress, John A., brother, (?) March 1875, age 25, machinist R.R.,
> NC,NC,NC
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
08/08/2005 5:59:43
RE: www.FunStuffForGenealogists.com
John M. Poythress
Aw Shucks, twarn't nothin', mam....but I always love hearing from you.
Cuddin Maynard
How'd you know? You are just a wealth of information and I thank you
for
sharing it. May your tribe increase!
Cuzzin Andie
Kailua HI 96734
08/08/2005 6:15:37
Re: John A. Poythress
Barbara P. Neal
I noted a few additions/clarifications when looking at the Census page
online, at the Heritage Quest pages. The page is very dark, but things
are more clear when the image is enlarged to 400%:
The Supervisor's District is 6. The household was on Cheves Street, in
Ward 2 of Florence city. The actual house number *may* be 272. The
Census-taker marked through the dwelling number and family number,
changing them to dwelling 350, family/household 376 (while these numbers
aren't extremely clear on Lucy's line, they become clearer when looking
at the few households above her on the page). Lucy Eason is listed as
having had only 1 child, with 1 child living; and it is listed that she
is renting. John A. Poythress is shown as single; his birth month may
actually be shown as May with a short tail on the "y", though it could
also be "Mar." I think Lucy is shown with a middle initial "B" (for her
maiden name of Bryan), but since the Census-taker wrote over it when he
was toting up his numbers it isn't terribly clear. Effie is not shown
with any middle initial, though the tail of the Census-taker's toting-up
notations at first made it look possible that one was there. At first I
thought perhaps John A. Poythress was listed as "Boarder" but upon
further magnification, I agree with Elaine's reading of it as "Brother" Maybe "Boarder" is what the Census-taker intended to write down.
I am inserting those additions/clarifications below.
1900 Federal Census
Florence County, South Carolina, Florence Twp. Ward 2 of Florence city,
Sheet 4B, ED 37, Supervisor's District 6, June 9
Dwelling 350, Family/Household 376
Lines 92-94
Cheves Street, house number may be 272:
Eason, Lucy B., Head, age 42, Widow, born Oct 1857, had 1 child, 1 child
living, NC, NC, NC, renting
--- , Effie, Daughter, born Apr 1883, age 17, single, NC, NC, NC
Poythress, John A., Brother, Mar (or possibly May) 1875, age 25, single,
machinist R.R.,
NC, NC, NC (Note: I know from BPW that he family records show he was
actually born 19 Jun 1874, so his age is correctly shown as 25, but
whoever gave the Census-taker his birth month & year was off a bit)
08/08/2005 7:40:32
RE; John A. Poythress
Hello BPW & BPN. I found the following. Is this who you were looking for?
? means image is very faded and smudged on actual census page, so I am
guessing.
1900 Federal Census
Florence County, South Carolina, Florenct Twp. Sheet 4B, ED 37, June 9
Household (?) #274 Lines 92-94
Eason, Lucy- Head, age 42, Widow, born Oct 1857, NC, NC,NC
Eason, Effied, daughter, born (?)April 1883, age 17, single, NC,NC,NC
Poythress, John A., brother, (?) March 1875, age 25, machinist R.R.,
NC,NC,NC
Take care,
Elaine
Thanks to BPW for bringing to my attention this household of the
Poytress family in Fresno County, CA, in the 1900 Census. The husband &
wife both came here to the US from England, where their parents were
also born. You will note that the surname is spelled without the "h" as
is consistent with the English spelling we learned of years ago from our
then-List members in England.
In response to BPW's question of me (copied below), no, these names do
not appear in the present day Poythress family in the Fresno County &
adjacent Madera County area of California. That Poythress family
descends from William E. Poythress (born 1833 in Georgia) & his wife
Martha J. Usher (born 1841 in Georgia), who married in 1857 in Georgia.
The family also knew that William E. Poythress' forebears came to
Georgia from Virginia -- hence their statement that BPW recalled, that
their line was from Virginia.
I found it quite interesting on the below-mentioned Census page and
adjacent pages, that many many families who came from various European
locations to grow fruit in that area of California.
1900 Census, 4th Judicial Township of Fresno County, CA; Supervisor's
District 5, Enumeration District 11, Sheet 7-B, enumerated 13 June 1900
by A.E.Balch, Dwelling 151, Family 152 (only the following 3 people in
the household/family):
- Poytress, John A., head, white, male, born Mar 1871, age 29, married
6 yrs, born England, father born England, mother born England,
immigrated to US in 1891, 9 yrs in US, Naturalized citizen, occupation
fruit grower, 0 months unemployed, can read, can write, can speak
English, owns farm, mortgaged, Farm, 132 is the number of his farm on
the Census Farm Schedule
- ---, Mary, wife, white, female, born Sept 1867, age 32, married 6
yrs, mother of 1 child, 1 child living, born England, father born
England, mother born England, immigrated to US in 1893, 7 yrs in US,
(naturalization status is a squiggle that probably means Not Applicable
since she gets her status from her husband), can read, can write, can
speak English
- ---, Eleanor M., daughter, white, female, born July 1894, age 5,
single, born California, father born England, mother born England,
attended school 4 months
Suggestion to BPW for finding your own John A. Poythress (son of Charles
David Poythress & Indiana Peru Twisdale): I don't now recall whether you
indicated to me in years gone by that he married Effie Eason in 1901, or
whether I just guesstimated that marriage year from the kids' births? If
indeed they weren't yet married as of June 1, 1900 (Census day) it would
be worthwhile to look for him in the vicinity of her. I know Effie was
daughter of Willis & Lucy. I looked briefly for their family in the 1900
Census, figuring JAP (who turned 26 in Jun 1900) *may* have been living
near that family. I suspect Willis Eason was dead by then. I saw a Lucy
Eason living as a boarder in another household in the town of Burgaw,
Pender Co, NC (just north of Wilmington), with a younger Julia Eason and
various other people there, too. Since I don't know Effie's siblings'
names, I'm not sure that's the right Lucy, but if it is, you might want
to browse thru that area's census pages, looking for a
no-doubt-misspelled John Poythress. One other thing I found interesting,
in case Effie had a brother also named Willis, is that there was a
younger Willis Eason in Sumter Co, AL, in the town of Payneville, so
that may be another good place to look for Effie (I didn't search on her
name; I think that Willis was shown as age 32; I don't have birthdates
for Effie's parents to be sure it's possible for this to be a son of
theirs.) Good luck, and please keep me posted if you find him/them.
8/7/2005 Barbara Poythress Wolfe wrote:
> Hi Barb,
> I have been searching for all the census records on my grandfather John
> Alexander Poythress. The one that I would like to find is 1900.
>
> And I ran across a John A. Poythress, about the same age as my JAP and
> he and his wife are in Fresno, CA. They are both from England. He is a
> fruit farmer. Just 'musing' if this might be any connection to the
> Poythress family that farms in this area. Know they responded at one
> time that they were from VA. Interesting.
08/08/2005 8:53:14
DNA maternal - fyi re mtDNA
Barbara P. Neal
Andie Harris has written to me that she has recently participated in the
"My Family DNA WINN Project" by having her *maternal* DNA tested (mtDNA).
In addition to the Winn line, she also descends from various other lines
(Gaither, Matlock, Poythress, Weddle, Melton) so she wants to make her
her participation known in case others are also having their *maternal*
DNA tested. She is willing to compare results, however she did not
specify which of these lines are the surnames of her mother; her
mother's mother; etc on back thru her *maternal* line, so I personally
do not know how valid a comparison it would be on any of the above surnames.
The mtDNA *maternal* test checks a completely different part of one's
DNA than the *paternal* Y-DNA. The results are *not* comparable.
In our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study, we are testing only a tiny portion
of mens' DNA that *only* men inherit from their fathers; their father's
father; etc back thru the male line.
If anyone reading this is separately doing a *maternal* mtDNA test, you
are welcome to get in touch with Andie & find out whether you & she
share any of the same maternal lines, and compare test results.
Andie's full name is Marian Alice Andrea Harris. You can reach her at
PooolSide@aol.com
08/10/2005 6:53:49
Poythress photographer in new book & Friends of the Archives tout
Barbara P. Neal
I know some of y'all are probably already members of the Friends of the
Archives in Virginia & other states, as I am; the annual membership
contribution is a tax-deductible donation & helps these organizations
purchase books & materials at their respective state archives, and
sometimes to also fund (or to assist in funding) an intern position to
do some special project that wouldn't otherwise get done. In these days
of states cutting the budgets of their archives, such funding is a great
benefit to all us researchers.
For example, the Friends of the Virginia State Archives has donated to
the Library of VA money to purchase all 192 rolls of microfilm of
Revolutionary War Service records, plus 61 additional reels covering
other Continental Army units, Continental Navy, Quartermaster &
Commissary General, artillery, cavalry, etc, plus 4 additional rolls of
soldiers who served in volunteer VA units 1784-1811. Members of
"Friends" get a discount (10%, I believe) on purchases of items sold
thru the Library Shop, including the Library's published books.
Membership in the Friends of the VA State Archives has catagories of
$15/yr for Individual; $25/yr for Family; $50/yr for Patron, and $600
for a Life membership; checks payable to "FVSA: The Community
Foundation" mailed to FVSA, P.O.Box 4804; Richmond, VA 23220. (Again
these contributions are tax deductible.)
The North Carolina state library -- properly named the North Carolina
Dept of Archives & History (NCDAH) -- has recently published a book,
"Photographers in North Carolina: The First Century 1842-1941" that was
compiled by Stephen E. Massengill. The photographers include at least
one of our ancestors & his family members in a photo that BPW sent to
them a couple of years ago. When I called there a few minutes ago to
order the book if it included "Charles Poythress" the lady read out
numerous Poythress names from the index, including not only Charles
himself (who lived 1849-1924), but also the names of his wife & kids who
I know were in that family photo.
The review in the NC Friends' newsletter read, in part, "The 264-page
biographical directory identifies more than 2,500 photographers. In the
early days, a good number of those photographers were itinerants from
other states. By the twentieth century, resident image-makers had become
commonplace, particularly in North Carolina's largest cities." The book
includes one essay tracing the evolution of photography from the early
19th to mid-20th century, and another essay that "places a selected
number of early photographers in their geographic settings." For the
general public, the book sells for $28 (plus shipping); Friends of the
NC Archives get a 10% discount. (See bottom paragraph of this message re
how to join NC's Friends) For more info on this book or their many other
publications, call NCDAH's Historical Publications Section at
919-733-7442, or visit their on-line store at:
Friends of the (NC) Archives is a great organization that has done great
work to support important preservation projects & fund internships for
the state archives; in the face of the 22 employees lost since the early
1990s from Archives & Records such support via the Friends has been
vital. Their membership catagories are $30/yr for Individual; $100/yr
for Sustaining; $500 for Life Patron, and there is also listed $1,000/yr
for Corporate; checks payable to Friends of the Archives, Inc; mailed to
4614 Mail Service Center; Raleigh, NC 27699-4614. (Again these
contributions are tax deductible.)
08/12/2005 8:10:15
Re: Poythress photographer in new book & Friends of the Archives tout
Barbara P. Neal
I forgot to include the webpage for the Friends of the NC Archives:
This came through on the Warren County, NC website:
For those looking for early ancestors, I came across this database for
searching for people who came from England as indentured servants during the
period 1654- 1686. It's a searchable database which also accepts wildcard
searches.
Re: Poythress photographer in new book & Friends of the Archives tout
Barbara P. Neal
Sorry that I gave the wrong dates in my first message of the above
caption. BPW as alerted me that the dates I gave for the lifespan of
Charles David Poythress were erroneous. To clarify now: those dates were
*not* mentioned in my discussion with the NC Archives when I called to
order the book. Instead they were just the results of me looking with
less-than-care at a listing of the various men of that name in my
database, when drafting my message to this List. (I got the birth year
of the photographer and the death year of his grandson, who happens to
be the man on the next line of the database index, & who had the same name.)
BPW also alerted me that "The CDP family picture on the Poythress
website should be dated about 1889 instead of 1891" (She & I had given
that 1891 date to Al Tims earlier, in her email of 2 Oct 2003 in which
she wrote me "Left to right is Charles David Poythress, Charles Vance,
James Sneed, John Alexander, Indiana Peru nee Twisdale, Benjamin Edison,
and in front seated is Effie, circa 1891.")
Would appreciate it if we can please learn what has clarified the date
to be 1889 now?
Thanks.
BPN
08/15/2005 8:09:18
Poythress Mill
John M. Poythress
Barbara .surely this one stands a good chance of being the
aforementioned grist mill that came up
a week or so ago?
4 Oct 1721
Sale of Corn Mill John Hardyman and his wife Henrietta Maria of Prince
George County
to
Peter Poythres of the same county
Sum: £200 Sterling
Transaction: all that Water Grist or Corn Mill now called by the name
of
Hardymans Flower Mill being on Powell Creek in Parish
of
Martins Brandon and 100 acres of land to the said mill
belonging and on part of which the said mill was
purchased by
John Hardyman late of said County father to the
aforesaid John
Hardyman by deed dated 3 Mch 1690.
Signed: John Hardeman, H. Maria Hardyman (sealed with a waxer)
Wit: Fran. Eppes, Jr., Elizabeth Duke, Margaret Goodrich.
(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate
book, p. 495-7)
Maynard
08/17/2005 9:17:21
Re: Poythress Mill
Barbara P. Neal
Well, Maynard, from the mention of "Powell's Creek" it certainly sounds
likely that it's the same mill mentioned in July, but I know that there
are lots of duplicate creek names in VA. And from the portion of the
quote that Michael Tutor found earlier in the Brown book (included in my
July 11th message, copied below), referring to Peter Poythress having
bought it from Hardyman, it also sounds likely. I just wish the Brown
book's quotation had actually included the year Peter got it from
Hardyman. Without further resources at my disposal, it looks to me like
you've found the right record to go with that quote from the Brown book.
It would cinch it, if you have any resource at hand that would show
whether or not that intersection I described July 11th (copied below)
at/near Garysville, VA was *in* PG Co, and *in* Martin's Brandon Parish
at the time of the 4 Oct 1721 sale record you found. Right now I'm in a
hotel room, far from my info about various county boundaries at various
times, and about various parishes & their locations.
Cheers,
BPN
> 7/11/2005 BPN wrote:
Aha, right after sending off my below message just now, I coaxed
MapQuest into showing the creeks of the area of Garysville. Indeed
Powell's Creek runs right there (about 0.1 to 0.2 mile from the
intersection mentioned below).
>
> I don't know whether it would be the same mill or not, but the
location sounds like it could be. First I looked on MapQuest to see
where Garysville is located. It is at the intersection of the Old Stage
Road and James River Drive (aka state/county? Route 10 -- the road from
Hopewell toward Surry). MapQuest doesn't show Powell's Creek, so if one
of you has some source that shows Powell's Creek, perhaps we can tell if
this is the same mill.
>
> I found the following in our Poythress-List Message Archives, one of
Michael Tutor's wonderful "Poythress Chronicles" messages, from 17 Jan
2004:
>
> In Michael's section regarding "Peter Poythress (c. 1684-), son of
John Poythress (c. 1639-1712)" with the info coming from "A Virginia
Heritage" by Eleanor Brown Merrill. Michael noted that this book was
privately printed in 1968 and is in The National Genealogical Society
Library. CS71.B88 1968 C.1 6417. Michael abstracted info from pages 51
and 52, ending with the following paragraph:
>
> "From the above we gather that Peter Poythress married Mrs. Ann Baker;
they owned a water mill on Powell's Creek sold to them by John Hardyman,
and had one daughter, Anne, who married Richard Bland of "Jordans;" the
grandson of John Bland who in 1657 had acquired this tract of land from
the first Benjamin Harrison's widow. A daughter, Christian Poythress,
married John Fitzgerald and their daughter, Elizabeth, married Archibald
Robertson; whence came the dual relationship of Susannah Peachy
Poythress, whose aunt, Mrs. Richard Eppes of Appomattox Manor, is
referred to later..."
08/17/2005 9:25:43
Kenneth Milton Poythress
Kenneth is a great-great grandson of David Poythress (1800-1876) who was
born in Mecklenburg, Virginia.
This following is his obituary from the Mobile Register newspaper in Mobile,
Alabama.
Barbara (BPW)
Kenneth Milton Poythress
(http://www.legacy.com/Script/CounterRedirect.asp?Name=GBLink_Top&Jump=/mobile/LegacySubPage2.asp&Page=GuestBook&PersonID=149237
67) Kenneth Milton Poythress -- a native of Jacksonville, FL and long
time resident of Saraland died Friday, August 19, 2005. Mr. Poythress retired
from Scott Paper Company. He was preceded in death by his parents, J. A.
Poythress and Blanche Poythress Harrison and his sister, Shirley Gabriel.
Survivors include his wife, Phyllis Poythress, Saraland, AL; three children, Kenny
Poythress, Fort Walton Beach, FL, David (Catherine) Poythress, Saraland, AL
and Tanya (Jonathan) Ellisor, New Springs, TX; three step-children, Dwayne
(Christine) Kelly, California, Tammy (Larry) Smith, Saraland, AL and Kim (Tim)
Haney, Saraland, AL; one brother, Charles Poythress, Pensacola, FL; seven
grandchildren, nieces, nephews and other relatives and friends. Funeral services
will be held from the chapel of Radney Funeral Home on Monday, August 22,
2005 at 10:00 AM. Visitation will be Sunday, August 21, 2005 from 5:00 PM until
8:00 Pm at the funeral home. Interment will be in Forest Lawn Memorial
Gardens. Arrangements are by RADNEY FUNERAL HOME, 1200 Industrial Pkwy, Saraland,
AL 36571.
Published in the Mobile Register on 8/21/2005.
08/21/2005 8:51:02
Re: Kenneth Milton Poythress
Thanks Barbara, for that info.
Judy
>
> From: Beetle72@aol.com
> Date: 2005/08/21 Sun PM 02:51:02 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Kenneth Milton Poythress
>
>
>
>
> Kenneth is a great-great grandson of David Poythress (1800-1876) who was
> born in Mecklenburg, Virginia.
>
> This following is his obituary from the Mobile Register newspaper in Mobile,
> Alabama.
>
>
>
>
>
> Barbara (BPW)
>
>
> Kenneth Milton Poythress
> (http://www.legacy.com/Script/CounterRedirect.asp?Name=GBLink_Top&Jump=/mobile/LegacySubPage2.asp&Page=GuestBook&PersonID=149237
> 67) Kenneth Milton Poythress -- a native of Jacksonville, FL and long
> time resident of Saraland died Friday, August 19, 2005. Mr. Poythress retired
> from Scott Paper Company. He was preceded in death by his parents, J. A.
> Poythress and Blanche Poythress Harrison and his sister, Shirley Gabriel.
> Survivors include his wife, Phyllis Poythress, Saraland, AL; three children, Kenny
> Poythress, Fort Walton Beach, FL, David (Catherine) Poythress, Saraland, AL
> and Tanya (Jonathan) Ellisor, New Springs, TX; three step-children, Dwayne
> (Christine) Kelly, California, Tammy (Larry) Smith, Saraland, AL and Kim (Tim)
> Haney, Saraland, AL; one brother, Charles Poythress, Pensacola, FL; seven
> grandchildren, nieces, nephews and other relatives and friends. Funeral services
> will be held from the chapel of Radney Funeral Home on Monday, August 22,
> 2005 at 10:00 AM. Visitation will be Sunday, August 21, 2005 from 5:00 PM until
> 8:00 Pm at the funeral home. Interment will be in Forest Lawn Memorial
> Gardens. Arrangements are by RADNEY FUNERAL HOME, 1200 Industrial Pkwy, Saraland,
> AL 36571.
> Published in the Mobile Register on 8/21/2005.
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
08/21/2005 10:18:52
Henings Statues
John M. Poythress
Or, more fully: "Hening's Statues at Large, Being a Collection of all
the Laws of Virginia from the first session of the Legislature, in the
year 1619" by William Waller Hening.
This is one of the premier source documents for Virginia genealogy.
A Mr. or Ms. Spradlin at Earthlink, no doubt a sainted soul, is
transcribing all 9 volumes (with an all names index) at
http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/ ...if you wish to search for names
other than Poythress this is a good one. Unfortunately, Mr. or Ms.
Spradlin has only gotten through volume 4 but the claim is made that the
work will progress.
If you are specifically looking for Poythresses a better source is
likely the CD database as I have captured only the Poythress items for
ALL nine Hening volumes. They are listed under the section for the Swem
Index.
Maynard
08/23/2005 10:29:19
Henings Statutes
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Maynard for reminding folks about the info available from
Hening's Statutes, and of your CD of Poythress info.
Barbara
John M. Poythress wrote:
> Or, more fully: "Hening's Statues at Large, Being a Collection of all
> the Laws of Virginia from the first session of the Legislature, in the
> year 1619" by William Waller Hening.
> This is one of the premier source documents for Virginia genealogy.
> A Mr. or Ms. Spradlin at Earthlink, no doubt a sainted soul, is
> transcribing all 9 volumes (with an all names index) at
> http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/ ...if you wish to search for names
> other than Poythress this is a good one. Unfortunately, Mr. or Ms.
> Spradlin has only gotten through volume 4 but the claim is made that the
> work will progress.
> If you are specifically looking for Poythresses a better source is
> likely the CD database as I have captured only the Poythress items for
> ALL nine Hening volumes. They are listed under the section for the Swem
> Index.
> Maynard
08/24/2005 10:02:07
FW: Notice for John W. Poythress
John M. Poythress
From Cuzzin Margie, looks like we lost one. If anybody has ever run a
Google search on just "Poythress", this guy's knife
website turns up in top 4 or 5. I'm not into knives but have a friend
who dabbles in 'em. He says John W. enjoyed a
terrific reputation in the "hobby" (if that's what you call it). And
yep, if he's from Swainsboro he likely is a 17th cousin or something.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: margietanner@aol.com [mailto:margietanner@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:40 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Notice for John W. Poythress
Message: He's got to be kin to us isn't he?
Please visit the Notice for John W. Poythress.
http://legacy.com/Link.asp?Id=LS14674772X
Click on the above link or cut and paste the url into your browser's
address bar.
08/25/2005 5:40:00
Resources
John M. Poythress
Below is off today's VA-Southside wire. While all too many simply punt
you to fee-based Ancestry.com
and/or standard sources such as LVA sites, there are ALSO some good
ones.
Maynard
Over the years I've compiled these Va genealogy sites and put them in my
"favorites." Maybe something will help someone else. I checked them this
morning to be sure that they're current. If you cannot get there on your
server, there is a problem from your end. 🙂
http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/miscella.htm
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/ChanceryWebQ/ChanceryBasicQuery.asp#basicdatast
art
It is with sadness that I pass along this content from the Sunday, 7 August
2005, edition of the South Hill (Virginia) Enterprise -
"Local farmer killed in tractor accident
"BLACKRIDGE - A Blackridge man was fatally injured at 10:15 a.m. Thursday
while pulling a bush hog behind a tractor in the field behind 3615
Blackridge Road.
"James S. Sadler, 65, was speculated to have encountered a hornet or yellow
jacket nest while tending the field, Chief Deputy George Newcomb of the
Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office said.
"Sadler then dismounted the tractor and suffered fatal injuries to the lower
part of his body from the bush hog, Newcomb said.
"The Southside Rescue Squad, LaCrosse Volunteer Fire Department and
Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office all responded to the emergency call."
[James is the thrice-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co.,
Va. He resided on land once owned by his twice-great-grandfather, Thomas M.
Poythress, and believed to have been owned by Lewis Poythress also. James
cared for the Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, which is a short walk from his
home. This cemetery has been reported and discussed from time to time on
our distribution list, and is the resting place of Thomas M. Poythress and a
number of his relations.]
Best regards,
Lyn
08/26/2005 4:50:20
Re: Poythress descendant suffers accidental death
Julie Cabitto
Thanks for posting this Lyn. It is a sad story. We'll pray this family will
be comforted. Hope no one's offended if I didn't say this for previous
listings for obituaries, because I know all family could use some prayers
during sad times. Thanks for explaining the family Poythress relationships.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Poythress descendant suffers accidental death
> It is with sadness that I pass along this content from the Sunday, 7
> August
> 2005, edition of the South Hill (Virginia) Enterprise -
>
> "Local farmer killed in tractor accident
>
> "BLACKRIDGE - A Blackridge man was fatally injured at 10:15 a.m. Thursday
> while pulling a bush hog behind a tractor in the field behind 3615
> Blackridge Road.
> "James S. Sadler, 65, was speculated to have encountered a hornet or
> yellow
> jacket nest while tending the field, Chief Deputy George Newcomb of the
> Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office said.
> "Sadler then dismounted the tractor and suffered fatal injuries to the
> lower
> part of his body from the bush hog, Newcomb said.
> "The Southside Rescue Squad, LaCrosse Volunteer Fire Department and
> Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office all responded to the emergency call."
>
> [James is the thrice-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co.,
> Va. He resided on land once owned by his twice-great-grandfather, Thomas
> M.
> Poythress, and believed to have been owned by Lewis Poythress also. James
> cared for the Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, which is a short walk from his
> home. This cemetery has been reported and discussed from time to time on
> our distribution list, and is the resting place of Thomas M. Poythress and
> a
> number of his relations.]
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
08/26/2005 5:28:02
Re: Poythress descendant suffers accidental death
Thanks Lyn for that information. So sorry for the Sadler Family.
Judy
>
> From: "Lyn Baird"
> Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 10:50:20 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress descendant suffers accidental death
>
> It is with sadness that I pass along this content from the Sunday, 7 August
> 2005, edition of the South Hill (Virginia) Enterprise -
>
> "Local farmer killed in tractor accident
>
> "BLACKRIDGE - A Blackridge man was fatally injured at 10:15 a.m. Thursday
> while pulling a bush hog behind a tractor in the field behind 3615
> Blackridge Road.
> "James S. Sadler, 65, was speculated to have encountered a hornet or yellow
> jacket nest while tending the field, Chief Deputy George Newcomb of the
> Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office said.
> "Sadler then dismounted the tractor and suffered fatal injuries to the lower
> part of his body from the bush hog, Newcomb said.
> "The Southside Rescue Squad, LaCrosse Volunteer Fire Department and
> Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office all responded to the emergency call."
>
> [James is the thrice-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co.,
> Va. He resided on land once owned by his twice-great-grandfather, Thomas M.
> Poythress, and believed to have been owned by Lewis Poythress also. James
> cared for the Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, which is a short walk from his
> home. This cemetery has been reported and discussed from time to time on
> our distribution list, and is the resting place of Thomas M. Poythress and a
> number of his relations.]
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
08/27/2005 2:05:50
Re: Poythress descendant suffers accidental death
Barbara P. Neal
Lyn, thank you for letting us know about his unfortunate death as well
as his connection to the family. So sorry to hear.
Barbara (BPN)
08/27/2005 10:40:54
Unidentified subject!
DIXYLUVR
Let's see if you send it back. We all know or knew someone like
this!!
One day, when I was a freshman in high school,
I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school.
His name was Kyle.
It looked like he was carrying all of his
books.
I thought to myself, "Why would anyone bring home all his books on a
Friday?
He must really be a nerd."
I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my
friends tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.
As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him.
They ran at him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping
him so he landed in the dirt.
His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass about ten
feet from him.
He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in his eyes
My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him and as he crawled
around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye.
As I handed him his glasses, I said, "Those guys are jerks. "
They really should get lives.
" He looked at me and said, "Hey thanks!"
There was a big smile on his face.
It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude.
I helped him pick up his books, and asked him where he lived.
As it turned out, he lived near me, so I asked him why I had never seen
him before.
He said he had gone to private school before now.
I would have never hung out with a private school kid before.
We talked all the way home, and I carried some of his books.
He turned out to be a pretty cool kid.
I asked him if he wanted to play a little football with my friends
He said yes.
We hung out all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I
liked him, and my friends thought the same of him.
Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of books
again.
I stopped him and said, "Boy, you are gonna really build some serious
muscles with this pile of books everyday!
" He just laughed and handed me half the books.
Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends.
When we were seniors, we began to think
about college.
Kyle decided on Georgetown, and I
was going to Duke.
I knew that we would always be friends, that the miles would never be a
problem.
He was going to be a doctor, and I was going for business on a football
scholarship.
Kyle was valedictorian of our class.
I teased him all the time about being a nerd.
He had to prepare a speech for graduation.
I was so glad it wasn't me having to get up there and speak
Graduation day, I saw Kyle.
He looked great.
He was one of those guys that really found himself during high school.
He filled out and actually looked good in glasses.
He had more dates than I had and all the girls loved him.
Boy, sometimes I was jealous.
!
Today was one of those days
I could see that he was nervous about his speech.
So, I smacked him on the back and said, "Hey, big guy, you'll be
great!"
He looked at me with one of those looks (the really grateful one) and
smiled.
" Thanks," he said.
As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began
"Graduation is a time to thank those who helped you make it through
those tough years.
Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach...but mostly
your friends...
I am here to tell all of you that being a
friend to someone is the best gift you can give them.
I am going to tell you a story."
I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the story of the
first day we met.
He had planned to kill himself over the weekend.
He talked of how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have
to do it later and was carrying his stuff home.
He looked hard at me and gave me a little smile.
"Thankfully, I was saved.
My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable."
I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy
told us all about his weakest moment.
I saw his Mom and dad looking at me and smiling that same grateful
smile
Not until that moment did I realize it's depth.
Never underestimate the power of your actions.
With one small gesture you can change a person's life.
For better or for worse.
God puts us all in each other's lives to impact one another in some
way.
Look for God in others.
You now have two choices, you can:
1) Pass this on to your friends or
2) Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart
As you can see, I took choice number 1.
"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble
remembering how to fly."
There is no beginning or end.. Yesterday is history.
Tomorrow is mystery.
Today is a gift.
It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care.
Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND.
If it comes back to you, then you'll know you have a circle of friends.
WHEN YOU RECEIVE THIS LETTER, YOU'RE REQUESTED TO SEND IT TO AT LEAST
10 PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE PERSON WHO SENT IT TO YOU.
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08/31/2005 1:37:38
gas prices
DIXYLUVR
I know some of you have already have gotten this email, and I don't do a lot of forwards, but something has to be done about these gas prices, so maybe we should take these seriously. What did we do in the '80's'?
Anybody with any other ideas I would love to hear from you.
Teresa
Rumor has it we're going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the end of the year and it might go higher!!
Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!
The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By
now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too!
It is currently $2.43 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control
the market place....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see
the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
HOW?
Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one),
EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to
follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers.
It's really simple to do!!
Now, don't whimp out on me at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending! this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300
send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached
over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it.....
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
That's all.
How long would all that take?
If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
I'll bet you didn't think you and! I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS CAN REALLY WOrk. this is a repeater, but maybe we need a reminder now and then.
WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS,
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
READ ON...
Why didn't George W. think of this?
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it.It might even be good for us!
The Saudis are boycotting American goods.We should return the favor.
An interesting thought it to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia.Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am
sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family and my friends.
I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy
gas from and which major companie! s import Middle Eastern oil:
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each
is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.
It's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain
how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I'm sending this note to about thirty people.
If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300).. and those 300 send it to
at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message
reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people
will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it ...
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you ! have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all that take?
If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day,all
300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next eight days.
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08/31/2005 1:49:49
[Fwd: Poythress in Virginia]
Albert Tims
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Poythress in Virginia
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:48 -0600
From: BARRY EWELL
To:
Poythress in Virginia
My name is Barry Ewell. I have been doing quite a bit of research on the
poythress family during the last year and have tracked my family into
Prince George county, Virginia.
I am trying to connect a confirm the marriage of a Abigal Pyothress
Thren b. 1712 (parents Peter Poythress b 1686and Miss Jones) and Richard
Bland b. 1712 (parents Richard Bland b 1665. Abigal and Richard had a
son name John Bland b. 1739.and Elizabeth Randolph) to a Anne/Barbara
Ann Rennick who was the daughter of Thomas Rennick. I am also looking
for a more complete history and family tree of the Poythress. I have
spent time in the Salt Lake City Family History Library and for the
Poythress family in Prince George family.
The following are some of the Poythress names I found in Prince George
but not sure how they all fit together. Any thoughts? Or do you have
recommendations of who might be able to help.
Thanks for your help in advance:
Here are the names by County:
*Prince George County**, **VA** Early 1700’s*
*Edmund Poythress*
*Capt Fancis Poythriss*
*John Poythress and Family*
*Joshua & Jane Poythress*
* *
Poythress Gedcom
I am looking for a Gedcom of the research that has been done for
Poythress. I want to make sure I am not crossing research that has
already been done. Where would you suggest I go for such a file?
Thank you for your help.
Barry Ewell
09/05/2005 5:33:35
RE: [Fwd: Poythress in Virginia]
John M. Poythress
Well, Barry, I'll take a whack at it since no one else has stepped up.
With the explicit caveat that I'm certainly not the last word, I will
say that I have seen that Abigail Thren name numerous times and have
never been able to make it fit....or at least not fit into the line of
Peter Poythress (m. Anne Baker) whose own daughter Anne (1721-1758) m.
Richard Bland.
Complicating this string more is that daughter Anne had a cousin Peter
Poythress (son of Robert Poythress, brother of the first Peter)who
married her (Anne's) daughter Elizabeth Bland; Peter and Elizabeth Bland
Poythress then becoming the parents of "the nine Misses Poythress" of
some Prince George fame (notoriety?).
As for a gedcom of the Poythress family I have seen the family included
in other strings but have not seen a Poythress gedcom per se.....maybe
others on the board have and will share it. That is not to say there are
not a considerable number of trial charts, etc. - they just never got to
gedcom format that I have seen. (more below)
Various members of our listserver have done considerable work on the
several lines over the past decade when we started with 4 members
working via snailmail mailing around reams of photocopies. Our webpage
(poythress.net) itself is now "static" with no postings
occurring....however there is lively activity offline plus among the
members of the listserver (poythress-l@rootsweb.com) and you will be
most welcomed to post here or elsewhere. (The downside of the Rootsweb
listserver system being that it will not accept attachments).
A month or so ago I tried to compile all of the information off of our
webpage along with considerable offline research done over the years by
various members of the group into one single CD-ROM. It has 699 files
and is 219MB and I am happy to make it available at no charge to anyone
simply furnishing me with a snail mail address to send it to. With a
total lack of modesty, I'll suggest that it is a tad overwhelming albeit
reasonably well organized.
Other than scholarship done by various researchers over many, many
decades (Batte, Boddie, Hall) this material is largely factual
transcripts of legal and other actual records in the half dozen or so
Southside counties in which the family lived.
So, if reviewing the CD seems to you to be the next appropriate tack,
just send me your snailmail and it will be off to you same day. I hope
you will become an active participant in our work.
Warmest regards,
Maynard
(John M. Poythress)
(brerfox@bellsouth.net)
-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Tims [mailto:atims@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:34 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [Fwd: Poythress in Virginia]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Poythress in Virginia
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:48 -0600
From: BARRY EWELL
To:
Poythress in Virginia
My name is Barry Ewell. I have been doing quite a bit of research on the
poythress family during the last year and have tracked my family into
Prince George county, Virginia.
I am trying to connect a confirm the marriage of a Abigal Pyothress
Thren b. 1712 (parents Peter Poythress b 1686and Miss Jones) and Richard
Bland b. 1712 (parents Richard Bland b 1665. Abigal and Richard had a
son name John Bland b. 1739.and Elizabeth Randolph) to a Anne/Barbara
Ann Rennick who was the daughter of Thomas Rennick. I am also looking
for a more complete history and family tree of the Poythress. I have
spent time in the Salt Lake City Family History Library and for the
Poythress family in Prince George family.
The following are some of the Poythress names I found in Prince George
but not sure how they all fit together. Any thoughts? Or do you have
recommendations of who might be able to help.
Thanks for your help in advance:
Here are the names by County:
*Prince George County**, **VA** Early 1700's*
*Edmund Poythress*
*Capt Fancis Poythriss*
*John Poythress and Family*
*Joshua & Jane Poythress*
* *
Poythress Gedcom
I am looking for a Gedcom of the research that has been done for
Poythress. I want to make sure I am not crossing research that has
already been done. Where would you suggest I go for such a file?
Thank you for your help.
Barry Ewell
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09/06/2005 7:02:10
RE: LDS to put microfilm in vaults on Internet....
John M. Poythress
Helene..absolutely wonderful news!!!! Please keep us posted on this one.
Many thanks and above all many, many thanks to those great LDS
volunteers who "give" so much to all of us!
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Helene [mailto:hlvmp@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:32 PM
To: Helene Pockrus
Subject: LDS to put microfilm in vaults on Internet....
Deseret Morning News, Friday, September 09, 2005
LDS to put microfilm in vaults on Internet
Huge effort planned to index family history data
By Carrie A. Moore
Deseret Morning News
Ever wonder what's inside those secured vaults, owned by the LDS Church,
positioned high inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood Canyon?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is working toward
allowing anyone with Internet access to learn more than they've ever
known before about the information contained on 2 million-plus rolls of
microfilm housed there. Currently, the church is compiling searchable
indexes to that information and will eventually make it available for
free through an automated database on the Internet.
The church excavated the vaults containing those records on property it
purchased in the 1960s, providing a safe repository during the height of
the Cold War for birth, marriage, death and census information it
considers essential for the salvation of mankind after death. Now church
leaders seek to make the information more readily available to the
world.
"The goal is to create (Internet-accessible) indexes to all the films we
have in the vault. That's a long-term process and that's a lot of
films," according to Paul Nauta, manager of public affairs for church's
FamilySearch.org Web site. "We've not
announced when people will begin to s tartseeingtheindexes.BR>
Those attending the annual Federation of Genealogical Societies'
conference this week at the Salt Palace will get a "sneak preview" of
the church's plans. As the project progresses over time, indexes to
records from 110 nations previously stored on microfilm will become
accessible to virtually anyone,
anywhere, through the Internet via the touch of a few keystrokes.
"We're showing people how we'll be creating indexes from those films.
Sometime in the future we'll ask people to help us create the indexes
and make them publicly available, and little by little we'll start to
index the films from the vault like we did with the 1880 (U.S.) Census.
"The challenge now is it takes a lot of people and a lot of time" to
create such an index. "Currently, you have to look at images on paper or
burn them on a CD and distribute those to index the data. We're moving
the whole process to the Internet and this is a prototype of what that
might look like. . . . That's what the biggest buzz is at the
conference."
Conference attendees are using a lab at the Salt Palace equipped with a
number of computers to demonstrate the new automated database. The
microfilm information includes birth, marriage, death and census
records.
New advances in indexing software utilities and applications mean the
LDS Church "now has the ability to produce lots of indexes faster," than
it did with previous databases it has digitized, including the 1880 U.S.
Census. Making that database available online was a 12-year project,
using tens of thousands of volunteers.
In the future, the new technology "will provide automated indexing" for
an ever-increasing number of microfilms "so people can readily search it
from their homes."
As the number of family history researchers continues to grow - one
study showed 40 percent of Americans have done research on their family
history and another said 90 percent have expressed interest - demand for
online indexes that simplify searching for ancestors has soared, he
said.
How much time will it take to digitize all the films in the vault?
"Let's put it this way, it will depend on how much volunteer help we
get," Nauta said. "I think we can digitize the films to be indexed to
stay up with demand, but much will depend on how many volunteers we can
generate worldwide to index their records of interest. If, in a couple
of years, we could get a million indexers worldwide, we could put a big
dent" in the massive undertaking.
The indexing demonstration and other planned improvements to the popular
FamilySearch.org Web site are drawing
standing-room-only crowds at the convention. The changes "will make
great strides to simplify and increase the success of the family history
experience," he said.
Just when the first indexed information from the microfilms will become
available online has not yet been announced. "We don't want to be
swamped with people before we're ready to handle it," Nauta said.
The new developments won't make more than 5,000 small family history
centers housed in LDS chapels worldwide obsolete. Previously, those
looking for information contained on the microfilms stored in the
church's Granite Mountain Records Vault had to request that copies of
information on the films be sent to their local center. At some point in
the future, that likely won't be necessary any longer, he said, but
"that will continue to be a role for a long time.
"Family history centers will continue to be a mainstay" for accessing
information on the microfilms for some time to come.
As more of those records become digitized and indexes become available,
the role of the local centers, he said, "will probably change. Some
people have no Internet access, and they'll use them for that. The role
of the family history centers will evolve over time to help people get
started" with their research because "many people don't know how to do
that. They will become more fundamental to help people get and stay
organized, and to answer questions they have doing their research."
Many of those in town to attend the conference are also making use of
the church's renowned Family History Library, less than a block from the
Salt Palace. Hours have been extended to accommodate guests, with the
library open from 8 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. through Saturday.
"It's an exciting time for family history," Nauta said. "Those just
developing this kind of research as a hobby will never have any
appreciation for how far this industry has evolved, even in the past 10
years."
_____
E-mail: carrie@desnews.com
09/10/2005 10:45:16
John M. Poythress
September 08, 2005
Ancestry.com to be Redesigned
The following is an announcement from Ancestry.com:
Dynamic Redesign Invigorates Ancestry.com
Leading Family History Web Site Enhances Organization and Community
Connections
PROVO, Utah, Sept. 7, 2005 - Family history enthusiasts will soon
experience the many enhancements MyFamily.com, Inc. has made to its
leading family history web site, Ancestry.com. Ancestry members who
subscribe to the world's largest collection of historical records --
more than three billion names and thousands of searchable databases -
can anticipate that they will find it easier to keep track of recent
research activities, get helpful tips and instruction, organize
discoveries in OneWorldTree(sm), and connect to an expanded worldwide
community of people researching their family history.
"Ancestry's product development and marketing teams spent more than 18
months personally visiting with and surveying Ancestry members to
identify their family history research priorities," said David Moon,
chairman and CEO of MyFamily.com, Inc. "Following on those visits, we
created innovative new and enhanced web site features to address
members' priorities and make their research more effective and
efficient."
Some of the enhancements and new features will include:
* A Recent Activity section on the Ancestry home page will allow
members to easily pick up where they last left off their research.
* Enhanced integration between searching records and saving
results will allow faster documentation and organization of discoveries.
* Improved contextual search tips will make it easier to track
down hard-to-find ancestors.
* New tutorials will help guide members and help them make the
most of Ancestry.
* Connecting with other people researching their family stories in
Ancestry's new Community section will be more straightforward. Members
will be able to share information and ask questions by using a variety
of community tools, message boards and a member directory.
* A new worldwide Ancestry connection service, together with
member profiles, means it will be easier and faster to connect with
people who have similar research interests.
"The site definitely has a new look and feel, but the ability to connect
more easily with those wanting to research the same family lines offers
a tremendous benefit to users," said Suzanne Russo Adams, manager of
MyFamily.com, Inc.'s Professional Services Desk. "Another notable new
feature is the 'shoebox', which allows you to save images and records
and come back to them later for review."
Look for Ancestry's new features, which are expected to be launched fall
of 2005, at www.ancestry.com.
About MyFamily.com, Inc.
MyFamily.com, Inc. is the leading online network connecting families,
present and past. MyFamily's tools, content and community empower
individuals to find the people most important to them - and discover and
share their unique family stories. The MyFamily network includes
MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, Genealogy.com and RootsWeb.com. MyFamily
also publishes Family Tree MakerR, the #1 selling family tree software,
Ancestry Magazine, Genealogical Computing Magazine, over 50 book titles
and numerous databases on CD-ROM. For more information on MyFamily.com,
Inc., visit www.myfamilyinc.com.
Posted by Dick Eastman on September 08, 2005 |
09/13/2005 2:05:00
Info from Eastman's On-line
John M. Poythress
I don't know that any of us ever walked in on Craig in the first
place..and it's sure nice to know he'll still be around. Thanks,
Craig!
Maynard
September 15, 2005
Heritage Books/Willow Bend Books to Close Store (Only)
Another genealogy book store is about to close. In fact, there aren't
many walk-in book stores left. However, in this case there is some good
news: the store will remain in business as an Internet and mail order
operation. In fact, the owner expects to expand.
A few years ago Willow Bend Books acquired the assets of Heritage Books,
Inc. Since then, the new company has continued to operate under both
business names. The company operates a large and apparently growing mail
order, telephone order and Internet business. It also has maintained a
walk-in book store in Westminster, Maryland.
I recently talked with CEO Craig R. Scott. He confirmed that he is
closing the walk-in "brick and mortar bookstore" to the public effective
October 1. However, he emphasized that the closure will allow him and
the employees to focus on the growing mail order and Internet business.
He said that two different management studies recommended the change
last year and it just took him a while for him to stop fighting the
recommendations.
Heritage Books, Inc. (also known as Willow Bend Books) will remain as
one of the largest sellers of genealogy books and related materials at
http://www.HeritageBooks.com and at http://www.WillowBendBooks.com. The
company also plans to sell through catalogs; by mail, by phone (800
876-6103) and at seminars.
09/19/2005 11:14:06
change of address
DIXYLUVR
Hello All,
I'm changing my email...got a year of free internet service with new computer so I'm taking advantage of it.
So here is the new one:
vadixyluvr@aol.com
Teresa Willis
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09/28/2005 10:50:11
picture identification?
Julie Cabitto
I need some help identifying some pictures. I'm looking for kin to Foxhall Poythress, and the Poythress/Lynch family at Pleasant Hill Christian church in Brunswick Co., VA.
These are believed to be pictures of John Gray, Sarah Elizabeth Jones family. One of their children was Louisa Gray that married Robert Lynch. I'm curious if this Robert Lynch is the same Lynch family at Pleasant Hill, because we know Robert was from Brunswick.
Another child was Nannie Gray who married James John Kidd father-in-law of Foxhill Poythress. There is a picture that may (not sure though) be John Gray and Sarah Jones, and one that may be their children. So I need people with connections to the Blackridge area to please email me so I can have you look at the pictures needing identified. No one knows for sure yet, so I'm looking for people who may know.
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
10/03/2005 9:02:46
Poythress chancery at LVA
Julie Cabitto
I'm making another visit to Library of VA on Sat. I have written down a few Mecklenburg Co. Taylor cases to look up to see if I can find a Rebecca Taylor listed that could've married Lewis Poythress.
Also, I found a few chanceries that listed Poythress in Mecklenburg VA. I probably won't copy the cases because there's about 20 of them and their 75 cents a page. But I will scan through them all to see the genealogical info and any relationship info given.
I'm wondering, has anyone on the list (Esp. Maynard or Lyn) looked at the chancery case:
William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas?
I'm thinking this should be the William L. Poythress father of Foxhall Poythress. William's parents were Thomas M. Poythress and Lucy J. Thomas. Lucy's parents I have as William Bennett Thomas and Nancy House. If you all haven't seen this one then I'll copy it. The rest of the other 4 cases have a Poythress mentioned in them, but they are not the one being sued or the one doing the suing.
Another Case I plan to check out is Rebecca Taylor vs. Adms David Dortch. There's some Dortch, Taylor Poythress connections, so I'll see if there's any mention in here.
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
10/06/2005 9:39:01
Re: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Julie Cabitto
It's on my to-do list now. Sorry, I meant to email you not over the list
since it really isn't relevant to most.
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
> No Julie, you did not. I will still pay the postage & cost of copy.
> Thanks,
> Judy Scruggs
> 1003 Emily Way
> Loganville, Ga. 30052
>>
>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> Date: 2005/10/07 Fri PM 01:36:13 EDT
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>>
>> Judy,
>> Did I send you a copy? I have misplaced some notes and can't remember
>> what I
>> sent to who.
>> Love,
>> Julie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>>
>>
>> > Julie, I would like a copy also. Let me know the cost & I will be glad
>> > to
>> > pay you.
>> > Judy Speed Scruggs
>> >>
>> >> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> >> Date: 2005/07/20 Wed PM 08:28:45 EDT
>> >> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> >> Subject: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>> >>
>> >> I got the Chancery case today, finally! Newman Dortch is supposed to
>> >> be
>> >> father-in-law of Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>> >>
>> >> I was bummed that there was no mention of any children or grand
>> >> children
>> >> for Newman. Here's info that may interest some of you. According to
>> >> this
>> >> chancery case, filed Feb 1826: James Speed had four children:
>> >> 1-Martha Speed married to Nathaniel Moss
>> >> 2- Mary Speed married to Lewis Dortch
>> >> 3- Sally Speed married to Newman Dortch
>> >> 4- Elizabeth Speed.
>> >>
>> >> Note: Lewis Dortch and Newman Dortch were brothers. Lewis and Mary
>> >> Speed
>> >> were not in VA in April 1826 when they were summoned to court. Sarah
>> >> Ann
>> >> Speed was referred to as Sally. Newman Dortch and Sally Speed moved
>> >> into
>> >> James Speed's house while he was still living in Sept 1821.
>> >> "Courthouse
>> >> Rd" ran through part of the property was. Not sure where that was. So
>> >> unfortunately was not able to find out any Poythress info from this
>> >> case.
>> >> If you are interested in a transcribed copy when I finish it, let me
>> >> know. I can also scan a copy of the plat. I do not see at first read
>> >> through, a resolution to the case. I ordered some deed indexes. I plan
>> >> to
>> >> follow the paper trail of this land to see if any Dortch or Poythress
>> >> inherited this house in case there may be a family cemetery on the old
>> >> homestead. There is no mention of James Speed's wife, so I am guessing
>> >> she may have died long before he did. It's pretty cool to see
>> >> signatures
>> >> of a gr....grandpa Newman Dortch in the 1820's 🙂
>> >> Love,
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> www.poythress.net
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>> >>
>> >
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10/07/2005 1:40:01
Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch connections
Julie Cabitto
Libbee,
I was looking through old emails and saw you referenced a book about Ebony.
Do you know how to get a copy? Do you have a copy yourself?
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
connections
> My husband's grandmother was Elnora Baird and her father was Robert Baird
> and Mary Wray and Robert's father was Thomas Baird who married Wesson.
> Elnora married Robin Thomas and his family goes back and covers a lot of
> the Thomas, Jones, Clary, Pearson families. I love researching the
> families and seeing how they all come together. Thanks for all the info
> you supply. Richard Baird was my husbands uncle and did a lot of research
> on these families and gave me in handwritting which I treasure. Of course
> the book on Ebony, Virginia is filled with great info also. Thanks Libbee
> Morris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and Dortch
> connections
>
>
> Mary Jean,
> I have not heard of this source or these books, so I will look into and
> let
> you know when I'm able to take a trip or find something. I keep a folder
> of
> things I want to look up in Richmond, so I'll print this email and put it
> in
> this folder. I only live about 50 minutes from the Richmond archives. Yes
> Baskerville's married into the Dortch family. I'm not seeing one in my
> tree
> at the moment though, so I don't have a direct line to them, but I think
> I
> saw one of William Archer Dortch's uncles married a Baskerville. I need
> to
> look in my older Dortch family folder. In Mecklenburg County VA,
> pre-civil
> war days Dortch family married: Holmes, Taylor, Moss, Jeffries, Vaughan,
> Walker, Thatcher, Speed, Saunders, Ryland, Jones, Gayle, Burton, and Mise
> families.
>
> In my tree I know about and have connections to the following Poythress
> families in Mecklenburg VA:
> -
> Mary Speed Dortch (sister of William Archer and son of Newman Dortch and
> Sarah Speed) married David Poythress.
>
> Sally Dortch married David Poythress. (Lewis and Rebecca Taylor)
>
> William Lewis Poythress (son of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas) married
> Anna B. Jones "Ella." I am related to Anna's siblings (her sister is
> another
> great grandma of mine Sarah Elizabeth Jones) and have a transcribed Bible
> of
> this Jones family if interested. I just found out about this marriage, so
> do
> any of you know about these two, or are related to them? I am told this
> is
> the parents of Foxhall Poythress who married one of Nannie Gray Kidd's
> children Annie May Kidd. Nannie is a child of Sarah E. Jones.
>
> In Warren county, Oliver Jasper Dortch (son of Sarah Poythress and
> William
> Archer Dortch) settled in Warren Co. NC. They married Vanlandingham,
> Fleming, and Joyner, and descendants are still there.
>
> Love
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: >
> To: >
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river
>
>
> > Julie:
> > Thank you so very much for that wonderful insight to the area, though
> the
> > eyes of a native. Finding the traps from the Indians after all that
> > draught
> > was fascinating.
> >
> > Was William Arthur Dortch or his family connected in anyway to the
> > Baskerville family from Mecklenburg Co?
> >
> > Also if looking for Poythress material and you are near the Richmond
> > Library, please look in the Executive Journals of the Council of
> Colonial
> > Virginia
> > and let us know what you find. I know there are six volumes and
> > according to
> > the Lib. of Congress there is an index. I also know that supposedly
> an
> > Edmund Poythress as well as Francis Poythress was supposedly mentioned
> in
> > Vol 5
> > along with Burnell Claiborne. I have never seen that source so sure
> > would be
> > great to know what other tid bits it has on this family and if in fact
> > they
> > were indeed covered. The period was 1752.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mary Jean
> >
> >
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10/07/2005 5:08:19
Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
Julie Cabitto
Judy,
Did I send you a copy? I have misplaced some notes and can't remember what I
sent to who.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
> Julie, I would like a copy also. Let me know the cost & I will be glad to
> pay you.
> Judy Speed Scruggs
>>
>> From: "Julie Cabitto"
>> Date: 2005/07/20 Wed PM 08:28:45 EDT
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>>
>> I got the Chancery case today, finally! Newman Dortch is supposed to be
>> father-in-law of Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
>>
>> I was bummed that there was no mention of any children or grand children
>> for Newman. Here's info that may interest some of you. According to this
>> chancery case, filed Feb 1826: James Speed had four children:
>> 1-Martha Speed married to Nathaniel Moss
>> 2- Mary Speed married to Lewis Dortch
>> 3- Sally Speed married to Newman Dortch
>> 4- Elizabeth Speed.
>>
>> Note: Lewis Dortch and Newman Dortch were brothers. Lewis and Mary Speed
>> were not in VA in April 1826 when they were summoned to court. Sarah Ann
>> Speed was referred to as Sally. Newman Dortch and Sally Speed moved into
>> James Speed's house while he was still living in Sept 1821. "Courthouse
>> Rd" ran through part of the property was. Not sure where that was. So
>> unfortunately was not able to find out any Poythress info from this case.
>> If you are interested in a transcribed copy when I finish it, let me
>> know. I can also scan a copy of the plat. I do not see at first read
>> through, a resolution to the case. I ordered some deed indexes. I plan to
>> follow the paper trail of this land to see if any Dortch or Poythress
>> inherited this house in case there may be a family cemetery on the old
>> homestead. There is no mention of James Speed's wife, so I am guessing
>> she may have died long before he did. It's pretty cool to see signatures
>> of a gr....grandpa Newman Dortch in the 1820's 🙂
>> Love,
>> Julie
>>
>>
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>> www.poythress.net
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10/07/2005 7:36:13
Re: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
No Julie, you did not. I will still pay the postage & cost of copy.
Thanks,
Judy Scruggs
1003 Emily Way
Loganville, Ga. 30052
>
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> Date: 2005/10/07 Fri PM 01:36:13 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>
> Judy,
> Did I send you a copy? I have misplaced some notes and can't remember what I
> sent to who.
> Love,
> Julie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
>
>
> > Julie, I would like a copy also. Let me know the cost & I will be glad to
> > pay you.
> > Judy Speed Scruggs
> >>
> >> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> >> Date: 2005/07/20 Wed PM 08:28:45 EDT
> >> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Newman Dortch -James Speed chancery case
> >>
> >> I got the Chancery case today, finally! Newman Dortch is supposed to be
> >> father-in-law of Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch.
> >>
> >> I was bummed that there was no mention of any children or grand children
> >> for Newman. Here's info that may interest some of you. According to this
> >> chancery case, filed Feb 1826: James Speed had four children:
> >> 1-Martha Speed married to Nathaniel Moss
> >> 2- Mary Speed married to Lewis Dortch
> >> 3- Sally Speed married to Newman Dortch
> >> 4- Elizabeth Speed.
> >>
> >> Note: Lewis Dortch and Newman Dortch were brothers. Lewis and Mary Speed
> >> were not in VA in April 1826 when they were summoned to court. Sarah Ann
> >> Speed was referred to as Sally. Newman Dortch and Sally Speed moved into
> >> James Speed's house while he was still living in Sept 1821. "Courthouse
> >> Rd" ran through part of the property was. Not sure where that was. So
> >> unfortunately was not able to find out any Poythress info from this case.
> >> If you are interested in a transcribed copy when I finish it, let me
> >> know. I can also scan a copy of the plat. I do not see at first read
> >> through, a resolution to the case. I ordered some deed indexes. I plan to
> >> follow the paper trail of this land to see if any Dortch or Poythress
> >> inherited this house in case there may be a family cemetery on the old
> >> homestead. There is no mention of James Speed's wife, so I am guessing
> >> she may have died long before he did. It's pretty cool to see signatures
> >> of a gr....grandpa Newman Dortch in the 1820's 🙂
> >> Love,
> >> Julie
> >>
> >>
> >> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> >> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> >> www.poythress.net
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> > www.poythress.net
> >
>
>
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>
10/07/2005 7:59:17
Re: Mecklenburg County, VA Heritage Book
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Thanks Barbara this sounds great. Thanks for sharing. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:20 PM
Subject: Mecklenburg County, VA Heritage Book
Thanks, Sarah P, for your efforts to get this info posted to our
Poythress-List. Hopefully it will get thru from me, though since I'm in
a hotel right now, it may not -- sometimes hotels' internet settings
"bounce" any message it interprets as possible spam going to many
recipients;(
So if this doesn't work, I'll ask Elaine to post it for us. I appreciate
learning about it.
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
> From: "Sarah Poythress" >
Barbara,
I sent this to the list. For some reason it did not go through. Naybe
you can send it. Sarah
= = = =
The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating a
project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or former
residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in Mecklenburg are
invited to submit a 500-word family article and one photo, which will be
published free of charge. Those with ancestors in residence in
Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a "pioneer" story
of 500 words and one photo.
Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are
invited to submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of
the book. Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
contact:
Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net
or
Patti Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net
or
Laverne Toone at 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com
Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
of the members above.
Thanks,
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
316 Washington St.
P. O. Box 10
Boydton, VA 23917
Phone: 434-738-6580
FAX: 434-738-6070
wbrooks@srlib.org
www.srlib.org
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www.poythress.net
10/09/2005 3:32:09
Mecklenburg County, VA Heritage Book
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Sarah P, for your efforts to get this info posted to our
Poythress-List. Hopefully it will get thru from me, though since I'm in
a hotel right now, it may not -- sometimes hotels' internet settings
"bounce" any message it interprets as possible spam going to many
recipients;(
So if this doesn't work, I'll ask Elaine to post it for us. I appreciate
learning about it.
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
> From: "Sarah Poythress"
Barbara,
I sent this to the list. For some reason it did not go through. Naybe
you can send it. Sarah
= = = =
The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating a
project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or former
residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in Mecklenburg are
invited to submit a 500-word family article and one photo, which will be
published free of charge. Those with ancestors in residence in
Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a "pioneer" story
of 500 words and one photo.
Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are
invited to submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of
the book. Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
contact:
Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net
or
Patti Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net
or
Laverne Toone at 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com
Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
of the members above.
Thanks,
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
316 Washington St.
P. O. Box 10
Boydton, VA 23917
Phone: 434-738-6580
FAX: 434-738-6070
wbrooks@srlib.org
www.srlib.org
10/09/2005 12:20:28
Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
Barbara P. Neal
Julie, great that you were going to LVA again on Saturday & planned to
look at more chancery records. Sorry I didn't see your message until
catching up this morning.
Regarding the case you mentioned planning to check out "Rebecca Taylor
vs. Adms David Dortch" I would be glad to reimburse you for the copying
costs you incurred at LVA if you indeed copied this one. I'd love to see
the copies & I'm quite interested in learning everything about this case.
Re the other one you asked about: I'm not sure whether or not I've
already looked at "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas"
Without knowing the county and the case number assigned at LVA, it is
harder for me to know if I've seen a "Poythress" case. So if you'll
please share the citation, I'll be glad to check my laptop for the ones
I've already worked on -- I've saved my transcriptions of chancery court
cases using part of the county name & the year/case number, such as:
CCtMeck 1808-008
Thanks so much for your work on these matters at LVA!
Barbara (BPN)
10/10/2005 2:52:00
Ebony, VA book
Barbara P. Neal
Libbee, thanks for your response re the Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage
Book. Glad to know the message got thru on the P-List.
I would be interested in knowing the title & author of the book about
Ebony that Julie referred to the other day in her List message on
10/7/05, captioned "Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and
Dortch connections" in which Julie asked you if you knew how to get a
copy of a book you had mentioned on 4/12/05 "...the book on Ebony,
Virginia is filled with great info also."
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
10/10/2005 3:18:42
Re: Mecklenburg County, VA Heritage Book
Barbara P. Neal
Sorry, cost was not mentioned in the info provided by Wanda Brooks to
Sarah, so I have no idea.
PooolSide@aol.com wrote:
>
> Cost for the book?
10/10/2005 4:03:07
Re: Mecklenburg County, VA Heritage Book
Cost for the book?
The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating a
project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or former
residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in Mecklenburg are
invited to submit a 500-word family article and one photo, which will be
published free of charge. Those with ancestors in residence in
Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a "pioneer" story
of 500 words and one photo.
Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are
invited to submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of
the book. Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
contact:
Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net
or
Patti Roberts at 434-372-4434 or
proberts@meckcom.net
or
Laverne Toone at 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com
Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
of the members above.
Thanks,
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
316 Washington St.
P. O. Box 10
Boydton, VA 23917
Phone: 434-738-6580
FAX: 434-738-6070
wbrooks@srlib.org
www.srlib.org
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10/10/2005 6:14:31
Re: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
Julie Cabitto
Sadly I must tell the group that I went to the library only to find a group
of people waiting outside the library trying to figure out if it would open
or not. I and several others checked the site and saw it was closed on
Columbus day, but apparently they decided to close Sat and Monday for
Columbus day. No sign on the door either. Later I re-checked the site and
did find a place that said it was closed both days. The majority of my
Saturdays are spoken for the until the holidays are over, so it may be
awhile before I can get back there. I was a little bit bummed to travel
through some pretty torrential downpours only to find it closed.
At least next week, I'm going visit Mecklenburg County to go to a Kidd
reunion and try to meet with a few people. My husband's coming this time,
and I can hardly wait to show him some fun and unique places I discovered
there. Also, Fredericksburg and DC traffic is such a bear these days, that
I'm looking forward to spending some time in a quiet, non-city place!
Barbara, when I go, I will make sure I get the chancery copied that you
requested. Since I have a library card I may be able to request a copy and
just go pick it up. And I can do that with my little ones. We go to Richmond
about once a month together.
The official listing for "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas", is
1880-030CC, meaning the suit began in 1880.
Thanks,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
> Julie, great that you were going to LVA again on Saturday & planned to
> look at more chancery records. Sorry I didn't see your message until
> catching up this morning.
>
> Regarding the case you mentioned planning to check out "Rebecca Taylor vs.
> Adms David Dortch" I would be glad to reimburse you for the copying costs
> you incurred at LVA if you indeed copied this one. I'd love to see the
> copies & I'm quite interested in learning everything about this case.
>
> Re the other one you asked about: I'm not sure whether or not I've already
> looked at "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas"
>
> Without knowing the county and the case number assigned at LVA, it is
> harder for me to know if I've seen a "Poythress" case. So if you'll please
> share the citation, I'll be glad to check my laptop for the ones I've
> already worked on -- I've saved my transcriptions of chancery court cases
> using part of the county name & the year/case number, such as:
>
> CCtMeck 1808-008
>
> Thanks so much for your work on these matters at LVA!
>
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
10/10/2005 8:48:38
Re: Ebony, VA book
So would I.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2005/10/10 Mon PM 12:18:42 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Ebony, VA book
>
> Libbee, thanks for your response re the Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage
> Book. Glad to know the message got thru on the P-List.
>
> I would be interested in knowing the title & author of the book about
> Ebony that Julie referred to the other day in her List message on
> 10/7/05, captioned "Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and
> Dortch connections" in which Julie asked you if you knew how to get a
> copy of a book you had mentioned on 4/12/05 "...the book on Ebony,
> Virginia is filled with great info also."
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
10/10/2005 9:16:56
William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas, 1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks for the citation, Julie. Indeed I did transcribe parts of 2
documents from that suit (the 2 pages of it that Craig Scott had time to
copy; unfortunately he did not have time to copy all the pages).
Perhaps these 2 partial pages will give you a more clear idea of whether
you want to see the whole record. (I personally would certainly like to
see the whole record.)
It also sounds to me like it could be worthwhile for us to see any
available record for "Poythress vs Riggan, Exor &c" mentioned below, if
indeed that is not already incorporated in the record of William L.
Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas, 1880-030CC
Below you'll find copied the partial transcription that I posted to our
Poythress-List on Tuesday, 7 Aug 2001, when I had a different email
address. Anyone interested in Circuit Court Chancery records should look
through the early August 2001 Poythress-List message archives, as I
posted various others around that time, too.
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = = = = = = =
Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court 1880-030 partial Chancery record
[The below was transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal, in August 2001,
from two photocopies provided by Craig R. Scott of one of the records
found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court Records at the
Library of Virginia, where this record has Index Number 1880-030. On his
trip to Library of VA this Spring, Craig (who graciously copied some of
the records for us, for transcribing here to the List) did not have time
to copy all the Mecklenburg County Circuit records that refer to
POYTHRESS; he was not able to copy all of this particular record, but
did copy parts of two of the documents, transcribed below. Square
brackets enclose punctuation and comments that were added by this
transcriber. The first block of info below is the index info about this
record found online at the chancery court index on the Library of
Virginia website.]
Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1880-030 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: WILLIAM L PORTRESS (WILLIAM L POYTHRESS)
Defendants D1: EXR OF NANCY THOMAS
Surnames:
ATKINS
BOYD
BURTON
GREGG
LEE
LOVE
PORTRESS
POYTHRESS
RIGGAN
THOMAS
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE
[SHEET 1 is only the first side of a document, and it breaks off in
mid-sentence:]
To the Hon. A.D. Dickinson[,] Judge of the Circuit Court of the County
of Mecklenburg.
Humbly complaining sheweth unto your Honor, your Complainant William
L. Portress, who is sometimes called William L. Poythress, that Nancy M.
Thomas, the grandmother of your Complainant departed this life in this
County in the month of December of the year 1864, having first made and
published her last Will and Testament in writing, which was duly proved
and admitted to Record by the County Court of Mecklenburg, by an order
of said Court at the December term thereof which came on the 19th day of
December of the year 1864, by which she the said Testatrix, bequeathed
by her said will to your Complainant by his name of William L.
Poythress, the entire residue of her personal property, after having
previously provided by her said Will for the delivery and payment
thereout of certain small portions of personal property to and among
certain named legatees,
[end of the photocopy of this side of this document]
[SHEET 2 is only the first side of a different document, and it also
breaks off in mid-sentence:]
The Deposition of William L. Poythress taken before me this November 3rd
1879 to be read as evidence in behalf of himself, Plff, in a certain
matter of account referred to me for settlement by a decree of the
Circuit Court of Mecklenburg at its June Term 1879 in the chancery cause
of Poythress vs Riggan, Exor &c
Present A.S. Lee atty for Plff
" [ditto indicating that also present was:] R.T. Thorp atty for Deft -
W.L. Poythress, being duly sworn, testifies & says --
1st Question by Plff's atty
What was the relationship of the testatrix, Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, you
you, who it appears died in this county in December 1864?
Ans [underlined]
She was my Grandmother.
2nd Question by same
Where were you at the time of her death and in what kind of service
were you at that time engaged?
Ans [underlined]
I was in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in Company "D" 44th Va
Battalion -
3rd Question by same
State any conversation you may...
[end of the photocopy of this side of this document]
10/10/2005 10:03:18
Re: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
Barbara P. Neal
Yeah, LVA's (& other great places) holiday hour adjustments get tricky &
remembering to check ahead of time is trickier still. Your experience is
a good reminder to all of us, Julie.
I appreciate the possibility that you may be able to request a copy of
the chancery court record for the "Rebecca Taylor vs. Adms David
Dortch" on a trip to Richmond with your little ones before the next full
research day you'll have available after the holidays. I'm especially
pleased to learn about that one since a Rebecca B. Taylor was the wife
of Lewis Poythress -- Hadn't learned of it before, since I had not
checked for Taylor & Dortch listings yet, not having exhausted Poythress
listings' possibilities I'll be glad to reimburse you & to do the
transcribing, too, if you wish.
Great that you'll be visiting Mecklenburg Co for a reunion next week;
have a great time there with hubby.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)
Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Sadly I must tell the group that I went to the library only to find a
> group of people waiting outside the library trying to figure out if it
> would open or not. I and several others checked the site and saw it was
> closed on Columbus day, but apparently they decided to close Sat and
> Monday for Columbus day. No sign on the door either. Later I re-checked
> the site and did find a place that said it was closed both days. The
> majority of my Saturdays are spoken for the until the holidays are over,
> so it may be awhile before I can get back there. I was a little bit
> bummed to travel through some pretty torrential downpours only to find
> it closed.
>
> At least next week, I'm going visit Mecklenburg County to go to a Kidd
> reunion and try to meet with a few people. My husband's coming this
> time, and I can hardly wait to show him some fun and unique places I
> discovered there. Also, Fredericksburg and DC traffic is such a bear
> these days, that I'm looking forward to spending some time in a quiet,
> non-city place!
>
> Barbara, when I go, I will make sure I get the chancery copied that you
> requested. Since I have a library card I may be able to request a copy
> and just go pick it up. And I can do that with my little ones. We go to
> Richmond about once a month together.
>
> The official listing for "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas",
> is 1880-030CC, meaning the suit began in 1880.
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:52 AM
> Subject: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
>
>
>> Julie, great that you were going to LVA again on Saturday & planned to
>> look at more chancery records. Sorry I didn't see your message until
>> catching up this morning.
>>
>> Regarding the case you mentioned planning to check out "Rebecca Taylor
>> vs. Adms David Dortch" I would be glad to reimburse you for the
>> copying costs you incurred at LVA if you indeed copied this one. I'd
>> love to see the copies & I'm quite interested in learning everything
>> about this case.
>>
>> Re the other one you asked about: I'm not sure whether or not I've
>> already looked at "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas"
>>
>> Without knowing the county and the case number assigned at LVA, it is
>> harder for me to know if I've seen a "Poythress" case. So if you'll
>> please share the citation, I'll be glad to check my laptop for the
>> ones I've already worked on -- I've saved my transcriptions of
>> chancery court cases using part of the county name & the year/case
>> number, such as:
>>
>> CCtMeck 1808-008
>>
>> Thanks so much for your work on these matters at LVA!
>>
>> Barbara (BPN)
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Visit www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
10/10/2005 12:10:02
Mecklenburg Heritage Bk & Ebony, VA book
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Libbee for the title & publication year of the Ebony, VA book you
mentioned earlier. Do you have any address for Richard Baird so that
those interested can write to him to see about its cost & availability?
(A History of the Ebony, Virginia Area written in 1993 by The Richard
Baird Family)
Re the Mecklenburg Heritage Book, the info provided by Wanda Brooks of
the Southside Regional Library included not only her library's website,
but also email addresses for her & 3 other people, as well as the phone
numbers to call for all of them, in the Mecklenburg area -- All 3 of the
other people are points of contact to enable getting a copy of the
brochure which will contain all the details. I'm copying them below,
here, again. If the first contact point you tried did not work, just
keep going thru the list.
Glad to learn you have one of the Warren Co, NC Heritage Books & are
pleased with it. Does it have info on Poythress families? If so, it
would be nice to get the Heritage Book website, so more on our P-List
who may be interested in ordering a copy could do so.
Barbara (BPN)
> Mecklenburg County Heritage Book:
For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details, contact:
Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net
or
Patti Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net
or
Laverne Toone at 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com
Thanks,
Wanda Brooks
Business Manager
Southside Regional Library
316 Washington St.
P. O. Box 10
Boydton, VA 23917
Phone: 434-738-6580
FAX: 434-738-6070
wbrooks@srlib.org
www.srlib.org
10/11/2005 3:57:09
Re: Ebony, VA book
ELIZABETH MORRIS
The book is called A. History of the Ebony, Virginia Area written in 1993 by The Richard Baird Family. It is a wonderful book filled with great information. I think this is the book you are referring to. I have one extra if there are no more available from Richard Baird. Thanks for all your info. I am excited about the Heritage book on Mecklenburg. I have one recently written on Warren County in North Carolina that is wonderfully done. I plan to send in some items. I tried to e-mail the address you supplied but it did not go thru to get the info on rules and cost. This would be a wonderful avenue to post the unsolved murders of the Cannon brothers and cousins back in the twenties I believe it was. May Lyn will pursue this endeavor. Thanks for all the info. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara P. Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: Ebony, VA book
Libbee, thanks for your response re the Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage
Book. Glad to know the message got thru on the P-List.
I would be interested in knowing the title & author of the book about
Ebony that Julie referred to the other day in her List message on
10/7/05, captioned "Poythress creek and the Rappahannock river-and
Dortch connections" in which Julie asked you if you knew how to get a
copy of a book you had mentioned on 4/12/05 "...the book on Ebony,
Virginia is filled with great info also."
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
10/11/2005 5:17:31
Re: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
Julie Cabitto
Barbara,
I found the Rebecca case by doing something new on the LVA search page. You
can type in the "Poythress" surname of the plaintiff and then do another
"Poythress" search again for the defendant. That's how I've found all the
other chancery cases I've done. But there's also a place below these two
searches where you can search just by surname. Example, if someone was just
a witness. And I think that's how Rebecca's name showed up. If it wasn't
her, I definitely still found some new cases this way. Just thought I'd
share in case it helps any one else out.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
> Yeah, LVA's (& other great places) holiday hour adjustments get tricky &
> remembering to check ahead of time is trickier still. Your experience is a
> good reminder to all of us, Julie.
>
> I appreciate the possibility that you may be able to request a copy of the
> chancery court record for the "Rebecca Taylor vs. Adms David Dortch" on a
> trip to Richmond with your little ones before the next full research day
> you'll have available after the holidays. I'm especially pleased to learn
> about that one since a Rebecca B. Taylor was the wife of Lewis
> Poythress -- Hadn't learned of it before, since I had not checked for
> Taylor & Dortch listings yet, not having exhausted Poythress listings'
> possibilities I'll be glad to reimburse you & to do the transcribing,
> too, if you wish.
>
> Great that you'll be visiting Mecklenburg Co for a reunion next week; have
> a great time there with hubby.
> Cheers, Barbara (BPN)
>
> Julie Cabitto wrote:
>> Sadly I must tell the group that I went to the library only to find a
>> group of people waiting outside the library trying to figure out if it
>> would open or not. I and several others checked the site and saw it was
>> closed on Columbus day, but apparently they decided to close Sat and
>> Monday for Columbus day. No sign on the door either. Later I re-checked
>> the site and did find a place that said it was closed both days. The
>> majority of my Saturdays are spoken for the until the holidays are over,
>> so it may be awhile before I can get back there. I was a little bit
>> bummed to travel through some pretty torrential downpours only to find it
>> closed.
>>
>> At least next week, I'm going visit Mecklenburg County to go to a Kidd
>> reunion and try to meet with a few people. My husband's coming this time,
>> and I can hardly wait to show him some fun and unique places I discovered
>> there. Also, Fredericksburg and DC traffic is such a bear these days,
>> that I'm looking forward to spending some time in a quiet, non-city
>> place!
>>
>> Barbara, when I go, I will make sure I get the chancery copied that you
>> requested. Since I have a library card I may be able to request a copy
>> and just go pick it up. And I can do that with my little ones. We go to
>> Richmond about once a month together.
>>
>> The official listing for "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas",
>> is 1880-030CC, meaning the suit began in 1880.
>> Thanks,
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
>>
>>
>>> Julie, great that you were going to LVA again on Saturday & planned to
>>> look at more chancery records. Sorry I didn't see your message until
>>> catching up this morning.
>>>
>>> Regarding the case you mentioned planning to check out "Rebecca Taylor
>>> vs. Adms David Dortch" I would be glad to reimburse you for the copying
>>> costs you incurred at LVA if you indeed copied this one. I'd love to see
>>> the copies & I'm quite interested in learning everything about this
>>> case.
>>>
>>> Re the other one you asked about: I'm not sure whether or not I've
>>> already looked at "William L. Portress vs. Exr. of Nancy Thomas"
>>>
>>> Without knowing the county and the case number assigned at LVA, it is
>>> harder for me to know if I've seen a "Poythress" case. So if you'll
>>> please share the citation, I'll be glad to check my laptop for the ones
>>> I've already worked on -- I've saved my transcriptions of chancery court
>>> cases using part of the county name & the year/case number, such as:
>>>
>>> CCtMeck 1808-008
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for your work on these matters at LVA!
>>>
>>> Barbara (BPN)
>>>
>>>
>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>>> Visit www.poythress.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
10/11/2005 7:20:39
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
ELIZABETH MORRIS
I will tell you I have one of the ones done for Warren County and it is the same man coordinating it and it is so informative but it did sell for $75.00. I has some wonderful pictures as well as just well written articles about individual families. I have not had a chance to check it for Poythress yet. There are many articles about my families in it as I was born and raised in North Carolina. My one regret is so many families did not take advantage of it and wish they had submitted articles. I wish I had entered more on my fathers line but we always have a tendency to procrastinate and wait too late. I have not as of yet determined what the time frame is for entering info. I hope to get some more different pictures to submit from some of the older Morris and Thomas and Baird families. I love the research but am not nearly as adapt at it as you people are. Happy hunting. Libbee Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Mecklenburg County Book
I'd be willing to help. Mecklenburg,VA is where I've focused most of my
efforts the last few years.
I'm hoping with writing for the intention of this book, I can actually get a
copy of the original Bible record that says Sarah Poythress married William
Archer Dortch. I have many court records, land records, census and
birth/death/marriage records on my Mecklenburg families, and haven't seen
any books to see how detailed they are wanting. I was at least thinking of
writing and sending some articles to the Southside Historical Society I
recently joined which includes Mecklenburg, Brunswick, Danville City,
Pittsylvania County and I think Warren Co., NC.
I can write very well about these families below and have many sources for
them. I have given serious thought to writing about these families for
either the historical society or the book. One challenge for me is that I am
a very visual thinker. When I write about a marriage, I like to see a
picture of the couple next to the marriage or a picture of their first house
etc. So when I submit writings I feel constrained having picture limits. I'm
currently writing a story for a different historical society about a soldier
whose muster roll got stuck between another record so it got lost. So I put
in some scanned images of the lost record so others could have a copy.
John Gray & Sarah Elizabeth Jones family
Alvin Dortch (mother was Sarah Poythress) and Tennessee Jordan Glover family
Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd family
I've spent the last two years trying to learn more about the families at
Rehoboth Church cemetery, where Foxhall Poythress is buried. At the moment,
I know more about the families the Poythress married into, rather than the
actual Poythress family. You all have been helping me finally learn and find
more about the Poythress family.
If you'd like me to help, let me know who you want to be the subject, and
what records I still need to go get. Even if I can't put it in books, let me
know if you know of Poythress houses still standing in Brunswick or
Mecklenburg VA and I'd be happy to take pictures and email JPEG's to those
interested, and even if you want them on the website. I love history,
genealogy and photography and am a bit obsessive at these things, and think
they all go pretty well together. (-and I can finally admit the obsessive
part, after my neurologist told me it was OK to be obsessive, since I've
channeled my efforts into something good 🙂 )
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress" >
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: Mecklenburg County Book
> By now we have all seen the announcement but I'm posting it again at the
> bottom of this email.
>
> The Southside Virginia Gene. Soc. "coordinating" a Mecklenburg heritage
> book sounds to me exactly like the deal that was done in Screven County,
> GA 30 or so years ago and if it's the same type deal..it's pretty darn
> good despite the fact that on its face it may look a tad
> "profit-oriented." Here's how Curtis Publishing of Dallas, TX (the
> guys who did the Screven book) worked it: they found a REPUTABLE local
> "coordinator", got him or her to write a legit history of the county to
> make up about the first third of a several hundred page coffee table
> sized book.
>
> The back two thirds of the book were articles contributed by all the
> various families. Some families even had two articles..Curtis accepting
> two articles about the same family. Although the intentions of
> individual authors were all good the quality of the individual family
> articles (as you might well imagine) was simply all over the place..from
> obvious fantasies to some pretty credible, scholarly genealogy.
>
> Then Curtis Publishing (or whomever the new guy is) recoups their
> investment by selling the books (of course everybody who can afford it
> wants a copy of "their family history"...using the term loosely). The
> Screven deal was back in the early seventies and the price for the book
> was 20 bucks..I have my mother's cancelled check that I use for a
> bookmark in my copy. My guess is that nowadays the book will likely
> go for 75 to 100$......but will probably be worth it because it will
> have some stuff on collateral families that you would almost never find
> elsewhere.
>
> On the whole, I think we can likely project some degree of success for
> this project....with or without the underwriting publisher as described
> above.
>
> The remaining question would seem to be who is going to write the
> Poythress article. I'd like to propose either Julie or Barbara as both
> have great advantages: Julie is "on the ground" and probably has a good
> grip on the collateral families and Barbara has done a ton of first rate
> research...or maybe the two working together. Or for that matter anyone
> else who feels qualified. I don't have any axe to grind other than
> thinking that it's practically a "requirement" to have us represented
> inasmuch is fully two thirds of us have
> Mecklenburg roots to one degree or another.
>
> This email is to simply put the question on the table. Thoughts from
> others?
>
> Maynard
>
>
> The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating
> a project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or
> former residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in
> Mecklenburg are invited to submit a 500-word family article and one
> photo, which will be published free of charge. Those with ancestors in
> residence in Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a
> "pioneer" story of 500 words and one photo.
>
> Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are invited to
> submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of the book.
> Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
>
> The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
>
> For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
> contact: Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net; Patti
> Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net; or Laverne Toone at
> 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com.
>
> Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
> of the members above.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net
10/12/2005 1:08:11
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
Julie Cabitto
Barbara, I think you're right and hope several people submit info, since it
is quite limited space.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Mecklenburg County Book
> Hi Maynard. My two cents worth:
>
> I've participated in a couple of other Heritage Books in the past 5-6
> years on other family lines in Alabama, and have been pleased with the
> quality of the resulting books I've seen.
>
> In each of the ones I've seen, any individual can submit *one* free
> article -- a 500-word articles with one photo (or two free articles of
> that limitation per household, from each adult there). And sometimes if
> one had an ancestor there prior to 1800, one can submit an additional free
> article of say-250 words or so.
>
> If one wants to submit a longer article than the normal limit, there has
> generally been an extra cost *per word*
>
> Likewise one can pay more to submit extra photos.
>
> Sometimes if one has a photo of a uniformed ancestor, one can also submit
> that photo free along with a separate 100-word article on him/her.
>
> Because of that limitation on number of words & one article from each
> person, I would *strongly* recommend that *every* Poythress-descended
> family having roots in Mecklenburg Co should submit an article on their
> own branch of the Poythress family. (You, for example, and/or Bud should
> be sure to submit one on your ancestor who moved to Georgia.)
>
> As one may realize, 500 words is barely enough for putting verbage to the
> info in an extensive Family Group Sheet on the Poythress who was in that
> county 1800 or earlier, and for mentioning what one's sources for the info
> about the family include -- Much too small a limitation to include all we
> know about *all* the Poythress folk there.
>
> Oh, and the pre-publication price on the Heritage Books that I've seen in
> these past 5-6 years is more in the range of $55 (plus $7 postage) than
> the higher price you had guesstimated. If one waits to order copies after
> the initial run of the book, the county coordinators are then having to
> order an additional printing of the book which generally runs 10% higher
> or more than the initial pre-publication price.
>
> Frequently after one county in an area does a Heritage Book, nearby
> counties will also do one. Hopefully we'll see one done for Brunswick Co,
> Lunenburg Co, etc.
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
10/12/2005 5:13:34
Re: Poythress, Taylor & Dortch chancery records
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Julie for info that we all can use.
Cheers, Barbara
10/12/2005 5:46:35
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
Barbara P. Neal
Hi Maynard. My two cents worth:
I've participated in a couple of other Heritage Books in the past 5-6
years on other family lines in Alabama, and have been pleased with the
quality of the resulting books I've seen.
In each of the ones I've seen, any individual can submit *one* free
article -- a 500-word articles with one photo (or two free articles of
that limitation per household, from each adult there). And sometimes if
one had an ancestor there prior to 1800, one can submit an additional
free article of say-250 words or so.
If one wants to submit a longer article than the normal limit, there has
generally been an extra cost *per word*
Likewise one can pay more to submit extra photos.
Sometimes if one has a photo of a uniformed ancestor, one can also
submit that photo free along with a separate 100-word article on him/her.
Because of that limitation on number of words & one article from each
person, I would *strongly* recommend that *every* Poythress-descended
family having roots in Mecklenburg Co should submit an article on their
own branch of the Poythress family. (You, for example, and/or Bud should
be sure to submit one on your ancestor who moved to Georgia.)
As one may realize, 500 words is barely enough for putting verbage to
the info in an extensive Family Group Sheet on the Poythress who was in
that county 1800 or earlier, and for mentioning what one's sources for
the info about the family include -- Much too small a limitation to
include all we know about *all* the Poythress folk there.
Oh, and the pre-publication price on the Heritage Books that I've seen
in these past 5-6 years is more in the range of $55 (plus $7 postage)
than the higher price you had guesstimated. If one waits to order copies
after the initial run of the book, the county coordinators are then
having to order an additional printing of the book which generally runs
10% higher or more than the initial pre-publication price.
Frequently after one county in an area does a Heritage Book, nearby
counties will also do one. Hopefully we'll see one done for Brunswick
Co, Lunenburg Co, etc.
10/12/2005 7:28:34
Mecklenburg County Book
John M. Poythress
By now we have all seen the announcement but I'm posting it again at the
bottom of this email.
The Southside Virginia Gene. Soc. "coordinating" a Mecklenburg heritage
book sounds to me exactly like the deal that was done in Screven County,
GA 30 or so years ago and if it's the same type deal..it's pretty darn
good despite the fact that on its face it may look a tad
"profit-oriented." Here's how Curtis Publishing of Dallas, TX (the
guys who did the Screven book) worked it: they found a REPUTABLE local
"coordinator", got him or her to write a legit history of the county to
make up about the first third of a several hundred page coffee table
sized book.
The back two thirds of the book were articles contributed by all the
various families. Some families even had two articles..Curtis accepting
two articles about the same family. Although the intentions of
individual authors were all good the quality of the individual family
articles (as you might well imagine) was simply all over the place..from
obvious fantasies to some pretty credible, scholarly genealogy.
Then Curtis Publishing (or whomever the new guy is) recoups their
investment by selling the books (of course everybody who can afford it
wants a copy of "their family history"...using the term loosely). The
Screven deal was back in the early seventies and the price for the book
was 20 bucks..I have my mother's cancelled check that I use for a
bookmark in my copy. My guess is that nowadays the book will likely
go for 75 to 100$......but will probably be worth it because it will
have some stuff on collateral families that you would almost never find
elsewhere.
On the whole, I think we can likely project some degree of success for
this project....with or without the underwriting publisher as described
above.
The remaining question would seem to be who is going to write the
Poythress article. I'd like to propose either Julie or Barbara as both
have great advantages: Julie is "on the ground" and probably has a good
grip on the collateral families and Barbara has done a ton of first rate
research...or maybe the two working together. Or for that matter anyone
else who feels qualified. I don't have any axe to grind other than
thinking that it's practically a "requirement" to have us represented
inasmuch is fully two thirds of us have
Mecklenburg roots to one degree or another.
This email is to simply put the question on the table. Thoughts from
others?
Maynard
The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating
a project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or
former residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in
Mecklenburg are invited to submit a 500-word family article and one
photo, which will be published free of charge. Those with ancestors in
residence in Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a
"pioneer" story of 500 words and one photo.
Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are invited to
submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of the book.
Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
contact: Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net; Patti
Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net; or Laverne Toone at
434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com.
Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
of the members above.
10/12/2005 9:16:49
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
Sounds good to me if the two of them agree. Let me know if you need any info I may have. I most always give Barbara what info I find . I'm related to the Dortch on both sides.
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2005/10/12 Wed PM 03:16:49 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Mecklenburg County Book
>
> By now we have all seen the announcement but I'm posting it again at the
> bottom of this email.
>
> The Southside Virginia Gene. Soc. "coordinating" a Mecklenburg heritage
> book sounds to me exactly like the deal that was done in Screven County,
> GA 30 or so years ago and if it's the same type deal..it's pretty darn
> good despite the fact that on its face it may look a tad
> "profit-oriented." Here's how Curtis Publishing of Dallas, TX (the
> guys who did the Screven book) worked it: they found a REPUTABLE local
> "coordinator", got him or her to write a legit history of the county to
> make up about the first third of a several hundred page coffee table
> sized book.
>
> The back two thirds of the book were articles contributed by all the
> various families. Some families even had two articles..Curtis accepting
> two articles about the same family. Although the intentions of
> individual authors were all good the quality of the individual family
> articles (as you might well imagine) was simply all over the place..from
> obvious fantasies to some pretty credible, scholarly genealogy.
>
> Then Curtis Publishing (or whomever the new guy is) recoups their
> investment by selling the books (of course everybody who can afford it
> wants a copy of "their family history"...using the term loosely). The
> Screven deal was back in the early seventies and the price for the book
> was 20 bucks..I have my mother's cancelled check that I use for a
> bookmark in my copy. My guess is that nowadays the book will likely
> go for 75 to 100$......but will probably be worth it because it will
> have some stuff on collateral families that you would almost never find
> elsewhere.
>
> On the whole, I think we can likely project some degree of success for
> this project....with or without the underwriting publisher as described
> above.
>
> The remaining question would seem to be who is going to write the
> Poythress article. I'd like to propose either Julie or Barbara as both
> have great advantages: Julie is "on the ground" and probably has a good
> grip on the collateral families and Barbara has done a ton of first rate
> research...or maybe the two working together. Or for that matter anyone
> else who feels qualified. I don't have any axe to grind other than
> thinking that it's practically a "requirement" to have us represented
> inasmuch is fully two thirds of us have
> Mecklenburg roots to one degree or another.
>
> This email is to simply put the question on the table. Thoughts from
> others?
>
> Maynard
>
>
> The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating
> a project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or
> former residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in
> Mecklenburg are invited to submit a 500-word family article and one
> photo, which will be published free of charge. Those with ancestors in
> residence in Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a
> "pioneer" story of 500 words and one photo.
>
> Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are invited to
> submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of the book.
> Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
>
> The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
>
> For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
> contact: Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net; Patti
> Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net; or Laverne Toone at
> 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com.
>
> Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
> of the members above.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
10/12/2005 9:59:10
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
Julie Cabitto
I'd be willing to help. Mecklenburg,VA is where I've focused most of my
efforts the last few years.
I'm hoping with writing for the intention of this book, I can actually get a
copy of the original Bible record that says Sarah Poythress married William
Archer Dortch. I have many court records, land records, census and
birth/death/marriage records on my Mecklenburg families, and haven't seen
any books to see how detailed they are wanting. I was at least thinking of
writing and sending some articles to the Southside Historical Society I
recently joined which includes Mecklenburg, Brunswick, Danville City,
Pittsylvania County and I think Warren Co., NC.
I can write very well about these families below and have many sources for
them. I have given serious thought to writing about these families for
either the historical society or the book. One challenge for me is that I am
a very visual thinker. When I write about a marriage, I like to see a
picture of the couple next to the marriage or a picture of their first house
etc. So when I submit writings I feel constrained having picture limits. I'm
currently writing a story for a different historical society about a soldier
whose muster roll got stuck between another record so it got lost. So I put
in some scanned images of the lost record so others could have a copy.
John Gray & Sarah Elizabeth Jones family
Alvin Dortch (mother was Sarah Poythress) and Tennessee Jordan Glover family
Granderson Glover and Arimenta Kidd family
I've spent the last two years trying to learn more about the families at
Rehoboth Church cemetery, where Foxhall Poythress is buried. At the moment,
I know more about the families the Poythress married into, rather than the
actual Poythress family. You all have been helping me finally learn and find
more about the Poythress family.
If you'd like me to help, let me know who you want to be the subject, and
what records I still need to go get. Even if I can't put it in books, let me
know if you know of Poythress houses still standing in Brunswick or
Mecklenburg VA and I'd be happy to take pictures and email JPEG's to those
interested, and even if you want them on the website. I love history,
genealogy and photography and am a bit obsessive at these things, and think
they all go pretty well together. (-and I can finally admit the obsessive
part, after my neurologist told me it was OK to be obsessive, since I've
channeled my efforts into something good 🙂 )
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: Mecklenburg County Book
> By now we have all seen the announcement but I'm posting it again at the
> bottom of this email.
>
> The Southside Virginia Gene. Soc. "coordinating" a Mecklenburg heritage
> book sounds to me exactly like the deal that was done in Screven County,
> GA 30 or so years ago and if it's the same type deal..it's pretty darn
> good despite the fact that on its face it may look a tad
> "profit-oriented." Here's how Curtis Publishing of Dallas, TX (the
> guys who did the Screven book) worked it: they found a REPUTABLE local
> "coordinator", got him or her to write a legit history of the county to
> make up about the first third of a several hundred page coffee table
> sized book.
>
> The back two thirds of the book were articles contributed by all the
> various families. Some families even had two articles..Curtis accepting
> two articles about the same family. Although the intentions of
> individual authors were all good the quality of the individual family
> articles (as you might well imagine) was simply all over the place..from
> obvious fantasies to some pretty credible, scholarly genealogy.
>
> Then Curtis Publishing (or whomever the new guy is) recoups their
> investment by selling the books (of course everybody who can afford it
> wants a copy of "their family history"...using the term loosely). The
> Screven deal was back in the early seventies and the price for the book
> was 20 bucks..I have my mother's cancelled check that I use for a
> bookmark in my copy. My guess is that nowadays the book will likely
> go for 75 to 100$......but will probably be worth it because it will
> have some stuff on collateral families that you would almost never find
> elsewhere.
>
> On the whole, I think we can likely project some degree of success for
> this project....with or without the underwriting publisher as described
> above.
>
> The remaining question would seem to be who is going to write the
> Poythress article. I'd like to propose either Julie or Barbara as both
> have great advantages: Julie is "on the ground" and probably has a good
> grip on the collateral families and Barbara has done a ton of first rate
> research...or maybe the two working together. Or for that matter anyone
> else who feels qualified. I don't have any axe to grind other than
> thinking that it's practically a "requirement" to have us represented
> inasmuch is fully two thirds of us have
> Mecklenburg roots to one degree or another.
>
> This email is to simply put the question on the table. Thoughts from
> others?
>
> Maynard
>
>
> The Southside Virginia Genealogical Society is coordinating
> a project to publish a Mecklenburg County Heritage Book. Current or
> former residents of Mecklenburg, as well as those with roots in
> Mecklenburg are invited to submit a 500-word family article and one
> photo, which will be published free of charge. Those with ancestors in
> residence in Mecklenburg County by or before 1800 may also submit a
> "pioneer" story of 500 words and one photo.
>
> Churches, clubs, and organizations in Mecklenburg County are invited to
> submit articles and photos for use in the topical section of the book.
> Each will receive free publication of 250 words and one photo.
>
> The deadline for submitting articles is Feb. 1, 2006.
>
> For more information or to obtain a brochure with complete details,
> contact: Frances Clark at 434-447-7308 or fnclark@buggs.net; Patti
> Roberts at 434-372-4434 or proberts@meckcom.net; or Laverne Toone at
> 434-636-3277 or Irdtoon@aol.com.
>
> Mecklenburg County Heritage Books can be pre-purchased by contacting one
> of the members above.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
10/12/2005 9:59:57
Re: Mecklenburg County Book
Barbara P. Neal
As the original posting said, deadline for submissions is:
1 Feb 2006
*Please* each of you: do an article on your ancestors for the book,
whether or not you wish to purchase a copy of it.
Details are available by calling Frances Clark at phone 434-447-7308;
she'll send you a *brochure* with details of how to set up your 500-word
article submission (margins; font; etc). Pre-publication price is $55 +
$7 postage. The Southside VA Genealogical Society does indeed intend to
later do a Heritage Book for Brunswick Co & one for Lunenburg Co, since
they cover all those counties.
I'll post more details after I get the brochure.
10/12/2005 11:54:54
Robert Porteus and Fort Christanna
Crystal
_______________________________
Document 37
ERECTION OF FORT CHRISTANNA
[Executive Journals, III, 375, 376]
_______________________________
At a Council held at the Capitol the 15th day of October 1714
Present
The Honorable Alexander Spotswood her Majesties Lieutenant Governor etc.
James Blair
Philip Ludwell
John Smith
John Lewis
William Cocke and
Robert Porteus Esquires
* * * * * * *
The Governor acquainted the Council that pursuant to the Trust reposed in him by the General Asembly he had for the better securing the Frontiers erected a Fort at Christanna on the South side of Maherine River, and laid out a Tract of land on that side for the habitation of the Saponie, Occoneechee, Stukanox and Tottero Indians, and on the opposite Side of the River another Tract for the Nottoways and Maherines who had represented to him the impossibility of their being able to Subsist on the Land intended for them in the fork of James River, by reason of its barrenness, of which he himself had been an eye witness during his late Progress: That for the Security of the Fort of Christanna (40) he had appointed a Captain and twelve men to reside there, who with a proportionable number of the Indians are to performe the Ranging Service between Roanoak River and Appomattox and that part of the Countrey which has been hitherto most exposed to the incursions of the Tuscaruro India!
ns intirely Secured. And that for the ease of the Country, he had disbanded the Rangers of Prince George's County and reduced the number of those other Rangers who are continued in pay in other parts of the Frontiers to the number of Six in each Troop.
10/29/2005 6:05:25
Flowerdew Hundred Papers
John M. Poythress
Here is the catalog summary for the FH "papers" as shown by the U. of
VA. Now I suppose we can say that someone
"scholarly" agrees with us that Joseph and Joshua were often miss-cited,
likely because the abbreviation for both was "Jos."
Maynard
* Deed of lease, 9 July 1725, for 300 acres in Prince George
County from John and Henrietta Maria Hardyman to Joseph [Joshua]
Poythress. Deed recorded in Prince George County Court 13 July 1725.
Folder: d
2 leaves, negative photostats.
* Deed of release, 10 July 1725, from John and Henrietta Maria
Hardyman to Joseph [Joshua] Poythress. Recorded in Prince George County
Court 13 July 1725. Folder: e
10/31/2005 7:45:09
Old/New Dates
John M. Poythress
There is a very learned and qualified genealogist (Paul Drake) who holds
forth from time to time on the VA Southside wire.
He submits the following as an example of how the dates were actually
written on documents:
Sorry, copy was best I could do. Maybe you can put it in MS photo
editor and enlarge it.
Maynard
11/07/2005 4:48:03
Re: Flowerdew Hundred Papers
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks, Maynard, for the Flowerdew citations.
Bpn
11/07/2005 12:37:57
Re: Robert Porteus and Fort Christanna
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks so much, Crystal for this citation from the Executive Journals.
Bpn
11/07/2005 12:50:18
Kathy Best
John M. Poythress
Bud, in the Screven County 1850 census (HH of Meredith Poythress, Jr. &
Susan R. Maner) there is a 10 year old
daughter named Ruthy.
In that same 1850 census, a Ruthy Poythress is listed at age 10 in the
HH of Elizabeth Best.
Left with no other explanation, I'd be inclined to suspect that Ruthy
may have been visiting at the Best home
at a different date than when the enumerator came by the household of
Meredith, Jr. If one was a cynic, the
observation might be that enumerators were paid "by the name" and this
one was a freebie.
However, is it more than coincidence that the research lady who did all
that work for you at the GA Archives was
Kathy Best? Did Kathy ever speculate on the subject?
Maynard
11/11/2005 7:00:57
Michael Tutor
Descendants of Lewis Poythress
Generation No. 1
1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25 Dec
1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles. She
died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in
Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.
Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:
2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.
ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia.
Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:
3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.
4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22
Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.
5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20 Jul
1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.
6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.
Generation No. 2
2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born
Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was born
Abt. 1803 in Virginia.
Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:
i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.
ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.
3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863
in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston
06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She
was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884 in
Sumter County, Alabama.
Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:
i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852, Warren
County, North Carolina.
ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.
iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.
iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.
v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m. Ellen
Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born
Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed Dortch
17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman Dortch and
Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef. 15 Mar 1838.
He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County, North Carolina,
daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:
i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.
Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:
8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.
vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg
County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec
1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.
Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:
i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.
6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas,
daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in
Virginia.
Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:
9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr 1915.
ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.
iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1853,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m. Lucy
Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.
v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
11/12/2005 5:49:28
RE:
John M. Poythress
Mike, I don't have the records to say yea or nay on this one
but Barbara Neal has this stuff memorized to the last whit
and dab 'cause it's her crowd. I'm sure she will give you a first rate
answer on it.
And frankly I'd like to see Lewis' crowd all in the "same
wrapper" to plug it all onto my FTM. How about it, Barb?
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:49 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Descendants of Lewis Poythress
Generation No. 1
1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25
Dec
1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles.
She
died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in
Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.
Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:
2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.
ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg
County,
Virginia.
Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:
3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.
4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley,
22
Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.
5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20
Jul
1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.
6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.
Generation No. 2
2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born
Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was
born
Abt. 1803 in Virginia.
Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:
i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.
ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.
3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
Francis1)
was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan
1863
in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed
Preston
06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston.
She
was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884
in
Sumter County, Alabama.
Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:
i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d.
12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852,
Warren
County, North Carolina.
ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia;
d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.
iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia;
d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.
iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia;
d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.
v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m.
Ellen
Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County,
Mississippi.
viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born
Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed
Dortch
17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman Dortch
and
Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef. 15 Mar
1838.
He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County, North
Carolina,
daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:
i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.
Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:
8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
m.
India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.
vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was
born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg
County,
Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg
County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28
Dec
1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.
Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:
i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.
6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was
born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J.
Thomas,
daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in
Virginia.
Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:
9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr
1915.
ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.
iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
1853,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
Lucy
Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.
v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
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11/12/2005 7:20:53
Re: addition to Mike-William Archer Dortch and Sarah Poythress
Julie Cabitto
I have more on Sarah Poythress and William Archer Dortch, which is my
family.
children of Sarah Poythress and William Archer Dortch
1. Martha William Dortch born 15 Jan 1838. She died before 1894. She married
John S. Vaughan 8 Dec 1863. John S. Vaughan was born 29 Feb 1843 and died 30
Apr 1916 and he is buried at St. Andrew Episcopal church in Mecklenburg, VA.
They had two children:
a. Mathew C. Vaughan born 31 May 1866
b. Fannie F. Vaughan 5 Oct 1869
2. Henrietta Spaud Dortch born 30 Oct 1839 and died 9 Jan 1843
3. Oliver Jasper Dortch, also known as "OJ". He was born 3 Feb 1843 and died
23 May 1829 Nutbush, Warren Co., NC. He and quite a bit of his family are
buried in the New Hope church Cem, in Drewery NC.
OJ married Jennie Vanlandingham 20 Dec 1871. She died before 1916. They had
8 children that I know of.
4. Alvin Newton Dortch married Tennessee Jordan Glover (my
gr...grandparents) and had 11 children. Alvin was born 6 Dec 1844 and died
24 Aug 1915 in Kankakee IL. (near Chicago) After Alvy's death, Tennessee
went back home to Mecklenburg with daughter and died there in 25 Oct 1919.
She is buried in Mays Chapel cemetery, without a stone. Tennessee was born
26 Jul 1847 in TN. Alvy and Tennessee married 5 Apr 1866 in Mecklenburg VA.
5. Thomas Newman Dortch 7 Jul 1847 and died 8 Oct 1857.
Dates come from transcribed family Bible. ( I do not have a copy of it and
have not seen it.) Other records also include: Census, birth, death,
marriage. If interested in someone, happy to send a copy.
Love,
Julie Cabitto
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:49 PM
> Descendants of Lewis Poythress
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
> 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25
> Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles.
> She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in
> Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.
>
>
> Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:
>
> 2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.
>
> ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia.
>
>
> Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:
>
> 3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.
>
> 4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22
> Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.
>
> 5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20
> Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.
>
> 6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
>
> 2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was
> born Abt. 1803 in Virginia.
>
>
> Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:
>
> i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.
>
> ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.
>
> 3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
> was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863
> in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston
> 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She
> was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884
> in Sumter County, Alabama.
>
>
> Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:
>
> i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
> d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852,
> Warren County, North Carolina.
>
> ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.
>
> iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
> d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.
>
> iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.
>
> v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
>
> vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
>
> vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m.
> Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County,
> Mississippi.
>
> viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
>
> 4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed
> Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman
> Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef.
> 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County,
> North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born
> Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
>
> Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:
>
> i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> 7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
> Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
>
> iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.
>
>
> Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:
>
> 8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
> India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.
>
> vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> 5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg
> County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec
> 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.
>
>
> Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:
>
> i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.
>
> 6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas,
> daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in
> Virginia.
>
>
> Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:
>
> 9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr
> 1915.
>
> ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.
>
> iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
> 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
> Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.
>
> v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
>
>
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11/13/2005 2:58:05
Re: Lewis Poythress descendants
Barbara P. Neal
Great job Michael on compiling so many descendants for Lewis for us, all
in one message. In response to Maynard's comments, I can readily confirm
the dates & places you included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress
(JEP), and all the info you included for JEP's descendants. (Maynard,
since I'm in the middle of one of our 5-cities-in-6-days trips right
now, I hesitate to even try to confirm the others' descendants.)
Michael, I sure would appreciate it if you'd please talk me/us thru the
specific sources that led you to list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress
(Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)." I greatly appreciate that
you've no doubt concluded this from studying lots of info, and I know
from your previous work that your conclusions would be solid for you to
list this, so I'm just seeking clarification re which info led you to
the listing
Thanks so much for all your good work.
Barbara (BPN)
11/12/2005 Michael Tutor wrote:
> Descendants of Lewis Poythress
> Generation No. 1
> 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
> 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847...
11/14/2005 2:11:26
RE: Kathy Best
Hello to all. Maynard see the Screven County 1850 Census Intro on the Census
Project. The pages were out of order on the microfilm thus it made it look
like Ruthy was in the household of Elizabeth Best when in fact she was not.
The page she is on lines up with the page that her father was on.
Take care,
Elaine
Bud, in the Screven County 1850 census (HH of Meredith Poythress, Jr. &
Susan R. Maner) there is a 10 year old
daughter named Ruthy.
In that same 1850 census, a Ruthy Poythress is listed at age 10 in the
HH of Elizabeth Best.
Left with no other explanation, I'd be inclined to suspect that Ruthy
may have been visiting at the Best home
at a different date than when the enumerator came by the household of
Meredith, Jr. If one was a cynic, the
observation might be that enumerators were paid "by the name" and this
one was a freebie.
However, is it more than coincidence that the research lady who did all
that work for you at the GA Archives was
Kathy Best? Did Kathy ever speculate on the subject?
Maynard
11/14/2005 12:44:32
Fam. Hist. Library
John M. Poythress
Some has been digitized and posted.
Go to: http://www.lib.byu.edu/
Choose:
Find Other Materials
Electronic
Choose the tab "Text Collections"
Choose: Family History Archives
Following is the only Poythress entry of interest to me and I included
the entire jury list as all the usual suspects are there:
11 Jan 1720
Prince George County Records, 1733-1790, p. 208
Grand Jury empanelled consisting of William Batte, William Gibbs, Thomas
Leath, Nicholas Hatch, Thomas Poythress,
John Brockwell, John Chamless, Edward Woodleif, John Cureton, William
Parsons, William Crawley, Daniel Sturdivant,
Lewis Epes, John Epes, William Mattox, Benjamin Simmons, Samuel Lee,
John Burge, Tillman Patteson, Reuben Baird,
John Hardaway, Roger Taylor and James Pittillo.
Jury made the following presentments:
Elizabeth Jones in Parish of Brandon for having a bastard child.
William Floyd, a common swearer.
William Bleighton, for not going to church.
William Irby, for same.
etc. etc.
Signed: William Batte, Foreman
All of above summoned to next court.
Maynard
11/16/2005 11:04:26
Lyn Baird...your phone's ringing
John M. Poythress
Lyn, I recall your recounting the piece of history about the Union army
coming to the Brunswick County Court House where the
evacuating Sheriff (or whatever) had put a Masonic flag over the records
and they were left untouched, presumably because the Union officer was
also a Mason. And I seem to remember that the Brunswick County native
was one of your ancestors.
If so, you may be interested in the article in this month's Virginia
Genealogical Society newsletter with about 3+ pages
of an article by a Kathryn Parker on tracing Virginia masons via Masonic
Libraries in VA who have made their records accessible
through the VGS and the LVA.
If you (or anyone else) is interested just let me know....and give me
your email. I'll scan these pages and send them to you as an
attachment.
Maynard
11/17/2005 4:06:06
Re: Lyn Baird...your phone's ringing
Maynard,
I would be interested since Wayne was a Mason, as was his father & Grandfather. My father was also a Mason & I know we had a Poythress or two who were Masons.
Thanks,
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2005/11/17 Thu AM 11:06:06 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Lyn Baird...your phone's ringing
>
> Lyn, I recall your recounting the piece of history about the Union army
> coming to the Brunswick County Court House where the
> evacuating Sheriff (or whatever) had put a Masonic flag over the records
> and they were left untouched, presumably because the Union officer was
> also a Mason. And I seem to remember that the Brunswick County native
> was one of your ancestors.
>
> If so, you may be interested in the article in this month's Virginia
> Genealogical Society newsletter with about 3+ pages
> of an article by a Kathryn Parker on tracing Virginia masons via Masonic
> Libraries in VA who have made their records accessible
> through the VGS and the LVA.
>
> If you (or anyone else) is interested just let me know....and give me
> your email. I'll scan these pages and send them to you as an
> attachment.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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11/17/2005 5:07:40
Re: Fam. Hist. Library - Thomas Poythress on PG Co Grand Jury
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard, thanks so much for making us aware of the digitizing of the
Family History Archives going on. Right now, I'm not where I can check
out the BYU website you mentioned, to double-check that neat Grand Jury
list you sent to the List the other day, but I'm just wondering:
Does that group of "Prince George County Records, 1733-1790" really
contain over 200 pages of entries that occurred before January of 1720?
If so, wow, browsing thru that group could yield some really early info.
(Or maybe there's a typo in either the Grand Jury date, or in the dates
of the record group?) I'd welcome any further enlightenment or
clarification, since I'm trying to figure out the best Thomas Poythress
for this to have been.
Thanks,
Barbara (Bpn)
11/16/2005 John M. Poythress wrote: ...
> Following is the only Poythress entry of interest to me and I included
> the entire jury list as all the usual suspects are there:
> 11 Jan 1720
> Prince George County Records, 1733-1790, p. 208
> ...
11/19/2005 1:30:14
RE: Fam. Hist. Library - Thomas Poythress on PG Co Grand Jury
John M. Poythress
Barbara, I just did a search for Poythress and was disappointed to find
only 3 specifics and two them were the index page and the item in one
entry. Only one which was remarkable to me was that Thomas entry as a
juryman in 1720 and the closest I can come to pin-pointing him is Thomas
Poythres who patented 180 acres in Surry County 23 Mar 1715
(PB 10, p. 265 on database disk). For this I used Mike's
trial "Proxy Census using Land Records." Otherwise, I don't have any
more of a clue to him than I had before.
The Thomases in this crowd are every bit as pesky as the Williams and
Francises.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:30 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Fam. Hist. Library - Thomas Poythress on PG Co Grand Jury
Maynard, thanks so much for making us aware of the digitizing of the
Family History Archives going on. Right now, I'm not where I can check
out the BYU website you mentioned, to double-check that neat Grand Jury
list you sent to the List the other day, but I'm just wondering:
Does that group of "Prince George County Records, 1733-1790" really
contain over 200 pages of entries that occurred before January of 1720?
If so, wow, browsing thru that group could yield some really early info.
(Or maybe there's a typo in either the Grand Jury date, or in the dates
of the record group?) I'd welcome any further enlightenment or
clarification, since I'm trying to figure out the best Thomas Poythress
for this to have been.
Thanks,
Barbara (Bpn)
11/16/2005 John M. Poythress wrote: ...
> Following is the only Poythress entry of interest to me and I
included
> the entire jury list as all the usual suspects are there:
> 11 Jan 1720
> Prince George County Records, 1733-1790, p. 208
> ...
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11/20/2005 4:46:32
Re: Fam. Hist. Library - BYU's Family History Archive
Barbara P. Neal
Maynard,
I've now gotten to an internet connection, but I cannot locate the
record you found, so still cannot confirm whether the Grand Jury date
was truly 1720, in a batch of records from 1733-1790.
I'm not even confident I've gotten to the right place, since by
searching for Poythress in the full text, my search results listed 37
items (several are different pages from the same sources), and since I
couldn't get to it the same way you outlined below. All the search
results are various books compiled by individuals, and perhaps it was in
one of those that you found the Grand Jury list you quoted -- so perhaps
there was a typo in the year as that individual entered it in his/her
book? (I had earlier mistakenly thought you were looking at some
transcribed index for the actual Prince George County, Virginia County
Records of 1733-1790.)
Perhaps BYU is rearranging the website's way of reaching different
things. I'll list below the way that, today, gets to their "Family
History Archive" section. That section is *not* described as being the
Family History Library, as I had mistakenly concluded earlier. BYU's
Family History Archive is described as: Access to a repository of
histories created by families to record and celebrate the lives of their
ancestors.
Today at least:
- Go to: http://www.lib.byu.edu/
- Choose: "Find Other Materials"
- Then on right side of screen, choose "Online Collections at BYU"
(When I chose "Electronic" as Maynard had said the other day, there was
no "Text Collections" to get to after that)
- Then across top of "Online Collections" page, pick the "Text
Collections" tab.
- From there choose "Family History Archive" That takes one to the
Search page. To find any Poythress entries, I put Poythress in the
bottom search box, and put a checkmark in the "full text search" box.
Cheers, Barbara
John M. Poythress wrote:
> Some has been digitized and posted.
>
> Go to: http://www.lib.byu.edu/
> Choose:
> Find Other Materials
> Electronic
> Choose the tab "Text Collections"
> Choose: Family History Archives
>
> Following is the only Poythress entry of interest to me and I included
> the entire jury list as all the usual suspects are there:
>
> 11 Jan 1720
> Prince George County Records, 1733-1790, p. 208
>
> Grand Jury empanelled consisting of William Batte, William Gibbs, Thomas
> Leath, Nicholas Hatch, Thomas Poythress,
> John Brockwell, John Chamless, Edward Woodleif, John Cureton, William
> Parsons, William Crawley, Daniel Sturdivant,
> Lewis Epes, John Epes, William Mattox, Benjamin Simmons, Samuel Lee,
> John Burge, Tillman Patteson, Reuben Baird,
> John Hardaway, Roger Taylor and James Pittillo.
> Jury made the following presentments:
> Elizabeth Jones in Parish of Brandon for having a bastard child.
> William Floyd, a common swearer.
> William Bleighton, for not going to church.
> William Irby, for same.
> etc. etc.
> Signed: William Batte, Foreman
> All of above summoned to next court.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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>
11/21/2005 6:04:03
Cool!!!
John M. Poythress
November 22, 2005
Google Donates $3 Million to Scan Old Documents
Google is giving $3 million to the U.S. Library of Congress to help set
up a system for creating digital copies of rare documents from around
the world. This is not directly related to genealogy but one has to
believe that the effort will greatly aid genealogists.
With the donation announced Tuesday, Google becomes the first business
to back the "World Digital Library," a concept that began to take shape
about five months ago. The worldwide program is loosely modeled after
the Library of Congress' American Memory project launched 11 years ago.
Backed with $48 million in private donations and a $15 million infusion
from the federal government, the American Memory site at now has more
than 10 million items, including early maps of the United States as well
as photos and letters from the Civil War at http://loc.gov/memory
Librarian of Congress James Billington now wants to create similar sites
devoted to other cultures outside the United States and Europe. Although
nothing has been finalized, Billington initially envisions devoting
large sections of the World Digital Library to material from China,
India and Islam.
"Much of this will be one-of-a-kind material that you won't be able to
find anywhere else," according to Billington. "Getting the material out
there (online) is really important. We have already preserved a lot of
material that might have perished in other hands."
Google co-founder Sergey Brin characterized the donation as no-brainer
for his Mountain View, Calif.-based company as it pursues its avowed
mission "to organize the world's information and make it universally
accessible and useful."
"This is a philanthropic initiative for us," Brin said during a Monday
interview. "It's all about making more information available to more
people."
Google's motives aren't entirely altruistic. Because Google makes most
of money from the ads that appear when Web surfers are searching for
something, the company stands to profit whenever more material comes
online.
The World Digital Library plans to focus on material no longer protected
by copyright.
You can learn more at:
Google: http://www.google.com
National Digital Library Program: http://www.loc.gov
American Memory Web site: http://www.loc.gov/memory
Library of Congress' Global Gateway site:
http://international.loc.gov/intldl/intldlhome.html
My thanks to Maureen Mann for telling me about this project.
11/28/2005 12:55:13
Brunswick, VA, court records / Koutz's raid / Masonic connection
Lyn Baird
Mostly correct, Maynard, except not my ancestry so far as I know.
For those interested, one may find an account of this in Gay Neale's
"Brunswick County, Virginia, 1720-1975", p. 175. The evacuee was the clerk
of the court, E. R. Turnbull. Years later his son recounts the tale:
"MY FATHER, Edward Randolph Turnbull, was county clerk at the time Koutz's
(1864) raid came through this section. I was a small boy at the time, about
12 or 13 years old, and was in the office of my father when he left it just
before the raiders came into our town, and he took a Masonic* flag that was
in the office and spread it out on the office table before he left. I
helped do this. About twenty minutes after the raiders came into town a
guard was sent to my father's house, who gave him the flag. After the
raiders left we went back to the office and it looked as if all the records
were destroyed, or a great part of them, as the floor of the office was
about a foot deep in papers, but upon careful examination we found nothing
was injured that was of any value. We had a case in the office that was
filled with old blanks and they threw these all over the floor. They tore
the leaves out of a lot of blank books, and scatttered these over the floor
and then put ink over the top of this stuff they had thrown on the floor;
otherwise nothing was injured, and the records are still intact beginning
with 1732 and down to the present time."
"*Masons insist that this was actually Turnbull's Masonic apron, as there is
no Masonic flag."
This list owes much of our shared knowledge about progenitors Lewis,
Meredith and Thomas Poythress to the actions of Turnbull and the unnamed
Union officer. Thank God for the cleverness of the one and the compassion
of the other. For me - who was born in Brunswick, and who started my
research in the Clerk's Office, handling what were in many cases these
original records - the story is quite dear. As an aside, when I started my
research in the 1970's, a Turnbull decendant of E.R.T. was clerk of the
Brunswick court.
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Lyn Baird...your phone's ringing
Lyn, I recall your recounting the piece of history about the Union army
coming to the Brunswick County Court House where the evacuating Sheriff (or
whatever) had put a Masonic flag over the records and they were left
untouched, presumably because the Union officer was also a Mason. And I
seem to remember that the Brunswick County native was one of your ancestors.
If so, you may be interested in the article in this month's Virginia
Genealogical Society newsletter with about 3+ pages of an article by a
Kathryn Parker on tracing Virginia masons via Masonic Libraries in VA who
have made their records accessible through the VGS and the LVA.
If you (or anyone else) is interested just let me know....and give me your
email. I'll scan these pages and send them to you as an attachment.
Maynard
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11/29/2005 2:51:19
Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
katherine russell
A few days ago I decided to look into a Susannah Poythress Pryor who I found in the 1799 Jessamine co tax list a few years ago, as the possible mother for my John Pryor b. abt 1770-80. Her brother was Francis Poythress who was a Methodist circuit rider preacher sent out from Baltimore in 1776 to KY. I don't know Susannah's husband first name, but it may be Joseph. A Joseph Pryor lived by John Pryor's wife family (Aquilla Sherrill) in the 1780's Greene co Tn (NC side), on the Nolichucky river.
As I look into this Poythress family, I find a connection to my Wall family (Henry Wall/Overby family). I also have Hardiman as a first name. Hardiman Johnson m. Minerva Everman. The Everman's were from Pendleton co VA. I can't remember off hand about the Johnson's. Minerva and "Hardy" were married in IL. Minerva Everman's mother was Elizabeth Wall, granddaughter of Henry Wall.
I don't think Rev. Francis Poythress ever married, because it was unusual at the time for circuit riders to be married. He also moved in with Susannah Poythress Pryor who was a widow in 1799,. He died 1818 "insane". Susannah can be found in the 1810 and 20 Jessamine co census. Both she is over the age of 45. I would guess their births between 1730-50. In 1776 Francis is described as educated and a gentleman of means, as well as powerfully built and short.
The 1799 Jessamine tax records has others in it that I speculate are related to my family and the Pryor family at a later date.
Does anyone know anything about Susannah and Francis Poythress?
Thank you,
Katherine Russell
11/29/2005 8:34:30
Fodder to chew on
Michael Tutor
The 1810 census shows the following:
Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
Who is this Betty and who are all of the children?
Playing fill in the blank, we get:
Elizabeth Bland Poythress (b. 1766-1784) b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress (b. 1785-1794) b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress (b. 1785-1794) b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress (b. 1795-1800) b. August 3, 1793 (possibly dau. of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress (b. 1795-1800) b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
When I filled these names in, I realized that the children were probably the
children of the deceased parents, William & Mary Gilliam Poythress. Betty's
husband, William, had died within the year. In addition to this census, I
noticed this:
Prince George Records, Surveyor's record, p. 189, 15 May 1810. Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed estate of William Poythress, dec'd, old courthouse
road. William Poythress's land called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. Plat
shows: 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50
acres to Joshua Poythress, 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull,
County Surveyor.
Significance: When William & Mary Gilliam Poythress died and left their
children orphaned, their cousin, William, son of Peter, took them in to
live with him and his wife, Elizabeth. When William died, "Betty" still had
the care of the children. They evidently took good care of the children.
Mystery solved?
As for the youngest three boys, I have not figured out who they were...yet.
I believe we now know who Betey was in the 1810 census.
In the War of 1812 are the following two entries:
Patrick H. Poythress, 83 Reg't (Scott's) Virginia Militia. (c. 1780-1824),
s. of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress
Peter Poythress, 83 Reg't (Scott's) Virginia Militia. (1782-1815), s. of
Meredith & Edith Poythress
It seems that Patrick Henry Poythress and his cousin, Peter Poythress, must
have been close enough in age and idealism to engage in the same adventure.
I have not checked to see if this adventure took them to Louisiana or not.
Tales of Louisiana could have provided "fodder" for those Poythresses that
eventually ventured into Louisiana.
As to the following entry:
Willie Portress, 62 Reg't (Selden's) Virginia Militia; Wiley Poythress, 4
Reg't Virginia Militia; Wilie Poythress, 62 Reg't (Selden's) Virginia
Militia; Willie Poythress, 1 Reg't (Allen's) Virginia Militia.
This individual could be Patrick's younger brother or another son of Thomas
Poythress. More particulars are needed to ascertain which William Poythress
this is.
There is more "circumstantial" information in the records, but I will leave
that for those that are interested in this exercise. We have to use our
imagination and ALL of the available information to fill in the gaps in this
family. While we may never have the tangibles required by the different
societies in order to join their organizations, we can fill most of the gaps
with "circumstantial" evidence, existent records and common sense, and that
will prove the case for those that have studied the records in detail.
Maynard and I have been able to build quite a few lists and he has
generously provided a CD of hundreds of records to interested parties.
Presently, a "virtual census" is being built to identify all of the adults
and many children for the years from 1632 well into the 18th century. With
all of the "lists," records, maps, Batte/Diamond family chart and the
"virtual census," we should be able to identify most of the players within
the different decades. With good insight, we should be able to fill in a lot
of the gaps..........Mike
11/29/2005 10:30:31
Wall family
katherine russell
Henry Wall b. abt a1740 m. Hannah Overby
sons William and Peter.
Peter Wall b. abt 1770 m. Mary Mize Brunswick co VA
1. Elizabeth Wall b. 1810 NC m. Andrew Everman, 2nd Randall Devenport
2. Drury
3 Scroggin ( married Williamson co Tn)
4. William
5.Henry
6. Nancy
7. Thomas
Elizabeth Wall and Andrew Everman
1. Minerva Everman m. Hardiman Barnett Johnson no issue,
2nd John Ingles, had children with Ingles and Thomas Liles.
Elizabeth and/or Henry may be the children of William not Peter.
I just moved and my up to date information is still packed. Brother William and Peter died in IL.
Susannah Poythress Pryor and ? (very specultive)
John Pryor born md? or VA d. 1832 Sangamon co IL m. Ruth Sherrill abt 1800.
William Pryor b. abt 1803 m. Rachel Barns
Sherril Pryor m. Rebecca Hickerouth
Margaret m. James Massie
Rachel m. William Duff
Elander m. Wilson (her cousin)
Elizabeth m. Mr. Smith (prob. Bird Smith)
Mary m. Mr. Saylors
Jonathan m. Susan Ann Clara/Clary
I have found my John Pryor at the estate sale of his father in law Aquilla Sherrill in Greene co Tn around 1805, then he and family are in the falling water area of White co tn. Move to Sangamon co IL 1828.
11/29/2005 11:30:04
Rebecca Poythress and Wade Pryor (Susannah Poythress)
katherine russell
I found this message posted a couple of years ago. It's believed by other researching my Pryors that they moved to Georgia or awhile...plus I have an unknown connection to the Wade family. My mothers land was "given" to the Wade family in IL. She was told they were a "shirttale relation"
Plus I had already speculated that my Pryors were related to the Phillip Pryor family, as they have relations I think in Overton co Tn, close to my Pryors.
Looks like Susannah Poythress may be the mother of my John Pryor.
Katherine Russell
am digging out information about the Prior/Pryor family in hopes that it will lead to locations or associations with persons who might be connected with the Poythress family in hopes of finding out more about Rebecca Poythress and her sisters, Nancy Ann and Eliza.
Wade Haden Prior/Pryor was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. Georgia, and died 25 Aug. 1863 in Tennille, Pike County, Alabama. He was the son of HADEN PRIOR and ELIZABETH WADE.
He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 March 1829 in Columbia County Georgia.
NOTE: Columbia County, GA. borders the Savannah River and is near Burke County. Columbia Co. was formed in 1790 from Richmond Co. which borders Burke County.
Rebecca was born about 1805 (1850 Census, Pike Co. Miss) in Georgia, and died 26 Dec 1871 in Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.
The children of Wade Haden Prior and Rebecca Poythress are:
1. Edward Haden Prior.......born 26 Dec. 1829, and died Unknown
2. Elizabeth Ann Prior........born 12 Nov 1831 and died Unknown
3. Wade Haden Prior, Jr. .. born 8 Nov. 1833 in Harris Co. Georgia, and died 18 Feb 1893 in
Carthage, Panola Co., Texas. He married Elvira Ophelia Williams 26 Sep.1860 in Macon,
Alabama. She was born 17 April 1831 in Edgefield, S.C. and died 9 Nov. 1911 in Carthage,
Panola Co. Texas.
4. Thomas Jefferson Prior...born 8 Jan 1836, and died Unknown
5. Sarah Jane Prior ..... born 28 Dec. 1837, and died Unknown
6. John Thomas Prior ....born 8 Mar 1840, and died Unknown
7. James Garrett Prior....born 21 Feb 1843 and died Unknown
8. Robert B. Prior....born 29 Dec. 1845, and died Unknown
9. William Wakefield Prior....born 9 Sep. 1849 and died Unknown.
10. Prior child died Unknown.
NOTE: The Wade Prior family is found in the 1830 Census in Harris County, Georgia. (from the Index for the 1830 Census for Harris Co. Ga.......listed as WAID PRIOR)
Wade Haden Pryor was the son of Haden Pryor and Elizabeth Wade.
HADEN PRYOR was born between 1745 - 1750 in Granville, NC., and died before Jul 1805 in Columbia County, Georgia. He was the son of PHILLIP PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
ELIZABETH WADE was born in Granville. NC, and died after 1820 in Columbia County Georgia. She was the daughter of JOHN WADE.
Children of Elizabeth Wade and Haden Pryor are: (Not in order)
1. Archibald Prior.....died unknown
2. Elizabeth Pror.....died unknown She married Joseph Harley 20 Dec. 1808. He died unknown.
3. Felix G. Prior was born between 1788 - 1789, and died about 1852 in Morgan Co. Georgia. He
married Sarah Baldwin. She died unknown. He married Martha A. Reese. She died unknown.
4. Haden G. Prior was born abt. 1804 and died 1823.
5. Mary Prior died unknown. She married Jonathan Pearrer. He died unknown.
6. John Prior was born 28 Feb 1778, and died 16 Jun 1821 in Morgan Co. Ga. He married Elizabeth
Allen 14 Dec. 1800 in Morgan Co. Ga., daughter of Robert Allen and Elizabeth Napier. She was
born abt. 1784 in Fluvanna, VA. and died 7 Jun. 1852 in Madison, Morgan Co. Georgia.
7. Asa T. Prior was born 28 Oct. 1783 in Caswell, N.C. and died 2 Jul 1854 in Sabine, Texas. He
married Sarah Witcher 1805 thought to be in Mt. Airy, Surry Co. N.C. She was born 1 Oct. 1785
and died 2 Han. 1838 in Cedartown, Polk Co. GA.
8. WADE HADEN PRIOR was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. GA and died 25 Aug. 1863 in
Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama. He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 Mar 1829 in Columbia Co.
Georgia. She was born abt. 1805 in GA, and died 26 Dec. 1871 in Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.
9. Nancy Prior died unknown. She married PATRICK DOUGHERTY 27 Dec. 1796 iin Columbia
Co. GA. He died unknown.
10. Jane Prior died unknown. She married MICHAEL DOUGHERTY 18 Apr 1807. He died unk.
11. Philip Prior died unknown. He married JANE LANDERS. She died unknown.
12 Sarah Ann Prior was born19 Sept. 1781 and died unknown. She married JOHN MAGRUDER
20 Oct. 1800 in Columbia Co. Ga. He died unknown.
Haden Prior was the son of PHILIP PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
Philip Prior was born abt. 1720 in Gloucester, VA. and died 1769 in Granville, NC. He was the son of ROBERT PRYOR and BETTY VIRGINIA GREEN.
Philip married Ann Haden who was born 1723 in Amelia Co. Virginia, and died after Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
Children of Ann Haden and Phillip Prior are:
1. Haden Pryor born bet. 1745-1750 in Granville NC. and died bef. Jul 1805 in Columbia Co. GA. He married Elizabeth Wade 9 Sep 1769 in Granville, NC. She was the daughter of John Wade. She was born in Granville N.C. and died aft. 1820 in Columbia Co. GA.
2. Samuel Pryor died unknown.
3. William Pryor died unknown
4. Frances Pryor died unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK aft 19 Jun 1769 in Granville, NC. He died unknown.
5. John Pryor died unknown.....NOTE: STRICTLY SPECULATION.....There is a John Pryor who was a Rev. Soldier...in the Virginia Continental Line...His rank is listed as Captain Lieutenant and the branch was Artillery. Years: 3, 4,000 acres. This land is recorded in Kentucky. Warrant ID 0126.0
Could this be the Prior/Pryor who married Susanna Poythress, sister of Francis Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress Peniston? In the 1810 census for Jessamine Ky, the widow Susanna Prior had 25 slaves listed on the census. I know this line seems to go nowhere, but it would be nice to know as much as possible about them.
6. Susanna Pryor died Unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK. (So did her sister, Frances.)
Philip Pryor was the son of Robert Pryor and Betty Virginia Green
Their children are:
1. Samuel Pryor was born 1699 in Gloucester, VA and died in 1790. He married PRUDENCE THORNTON. She died unknown.
2. PHILIP PRYOR was born about 1720 in Gloucester, VA and died 1769 in Granville Co. NC. He married Ann Haden abt. 1740 in Amelia Co. VA. She ws born 1723 in Amelia, VA. and died aft. Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
3. John Pryor was born in Gloucester, VA, and died 1771 in Orange Co. NC. He married Margaret Gaines, daughter of George Gaines and Elinor. She was born abt 1709 in Gloucester VA and died abt 1780 in Orange Co. or Caswell Co. NC.
Maynard or anyone......I have a question about a name from the information on the Poythress site in regards to the Poythress Index to the Augusta, Ga. Chronicle 1788 - 1827. The entry is for
04/05/1819....REBECCA POYTHRESS on list for letters remaining at post office in Waynesborough, Georgia on April 1, 1819 (04/05/1819, 3, 2).
Do you know who she belongs to or is this possibly the Rebecca Poythress who married Wade Pryor? You may have already discussed so many of the questions I have, so please forgive me if I repeat things already presented.
Re: Brunswick, VA, court records / Koutz's raid / Masonic connection
Crystal
Does anyone want Gay Neale's e-mail address? I see her once a month. We're working together on writing the history of Fort Christanna signage at the Fort.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: Lyn Baird
Sent: Nov 29, 2005 9:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Brunswick, VA, court records / Koutz's raid / Masonic connection
Mostly correct, Maynard, except not my ancestry so far as I know.
For those interested, one may find an account of this in Gay Neale's
"Brunswick County, Virginia, 1720-1975", p. 175. The evacuee was the clerk
of the court, E. R. Turnbull. Years later his son recounts the tale:
"MY FATHER, Edward Randolph Turnbull, was county clerk at the time Koutz's
(1864) raid came through this section. I was a small boy at the time, about
12 or 13 years old, and was in the office of my father when he left it just
before the raiders came into our town, and he took a Masonic* flag that was
in the office and spread it out on the office table before he left. I
helped do this. About twenty minutes after the raiders came into town a
guard was sent to my father's house, who gave him the flag. After the
raiders left we went back to the office and it looked as if all the records
were destroyed, or a great part of them, as the floor of the office was
about a foot deep in papers, but upon careful examination we found nothing
was injured that was of any value. We had a case in the office that was
filled with old blanks and they threw these all over the floor. They tore
the leaves out of a lot of blank books, and scatttered these over the floor
and then put ink over the top of this stuff they had thrown on the floor;
otherwise nothing was injured, and the records are still intact beginning
with 1732 and down to the present time."
"*Masons insist that this was actually Turnbull's Masonic apron, as there is
no Masonic flag."
This list owes much of our shared knowledge about progenitors Lewis,
Meredith and Thomas Poythress to the actions of Turnbull and the unnamed
Union officer. Thank God for the cleverness of the one and the compassion
of the other. For me - who was born in Brunswick, and who started my
research in the Clerk's Office, handling what were in many cases these
original records - the story is quite dear. As an aside, when I started my
research in the 1970's, a Turnbull decendant of E.R.T. was clerk of the
Brunswick court.
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Lyn Baird...your phone's ringing
Lyn, I recall your recounting the piece of history about the Union army
coming to the Brunswick County Court House where the evacuating Sheriff (or
whatever) had put a Masonic flag over the records and they were left
untouched, presumably because the Union officer was also a Mason. And I
seem to remember that the Brunswick County native was one of your ancestors.
If so, you may be interested in the article in this month's Virginia
Genealogical Society newsletter with about 3+ pages of an article by a
Kathryn Parker on tracing Virginia masons via Masonic Libraries in VA who
have made their records accessible through the VGS and the LVA.
If you (or anyone else) is interested just let me know....and give me your
email. I'll scan these pages and send them to you as an attachment.
Maynard
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11/30/2005 1:35:52
Re: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
katherine russell
Thanks. They were in IL in the 1830's. I need to look at my information on
the Johnson's. I can't remember what I did with it, since my grandmother b.
1837 didn't have any children with Hardiman Barnet Johnson, they were
married in the 1850's. I don't know what happened to him, but in 1860 she's
not with him any longer and married John Ingles abt 1863.
I do think Susannah Poythress Pryor is the mother of my John Pryor, not
wife. He was born abt 1775-80, (I know I put 1760 earlier, opps). I don't
know who is father is. John Pryor's son, William named kids, Francis and
Susannah. Unfortunatley my Pryors have been mistaken as part of another
White co tn Pryor group in books and genealogy's for years. There is a lot
of misinformation about them. The other John and William Pryor, who's
father was Joseph in a different area of White co tn, and Overton tn, are
related to the Phillip Pryor bunch that someone had posted about on the
website. We are probably related but haven't figured it out yet.
Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. There also was another Pryor
family with similar names, over the boarder in KY, the same time mine were
in White co Tn.
Katherine Russell
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
> Oops, Katherine, I should have said NOT knowledgeable.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:38 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
>
> Katherine, when I answered your original email I didn't have this one
> before me.
>
> Your information tallies exactly with our group's knowledge of Francis
> Poythress the circuit rider, educator, etc.
>
> The Tennessee and Illinois connections are not ones about which I'm
> knowledgeable. Ordinarily, I take the presence of a Hardyman or Hardiman
> as a dead ringer that the Poythress family is involved. However, I have
> a hard time seeing any of this family in Illinois early on....although
> I'll quickly say I haven't done any checking.
>
> I hope someone else on the wire can give us some hints on this one.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:35 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
>
> A few days ago I decided to look into a Susannah Poythress Pryor who I
> found in the 1799 Jessamine co tax list a few years ago, as the possible
> mother for my John Pryor b. abt 1770-80. Her brother was Francis
> Poythress who was a Methodist circuit rider preacher sent out from
> Baltimore in 1776 to KY. I don't know Susannah's husband first name,
> but it may be Joseph. A Joseph Pryor lived by John Pryor's wife family
> (Aquilla Sherrill) in the 1780's Greene co Tn (NC side), on the
> Nolichucky river.
> As I look into this Poythress family, I find a connection to my Wall
> family (Henry Wall/Overby family). I also have Hardiman as a first
> name. Hardiman Johnson m. Minerva Everman. The Everman's were from
> Pendleton co VA. I can't remember off hand about the Johnson's.
> Minerva and "Hardy" were married in IL. Minerva Everman's mother was
> Elizabeth Wall, granddaughter of Henry Wall.
> I don't think Rev. Francis Poythress ever married, because it was
> unusual at the time for circuit riders to be married. He also moved in
> with Susannah Poythress Pryor who was a widow in 1799,. He died 1818
> "insane". Susannah can be found in the 1810 and 20 Jessamine co census.
> Both she is over the age of 45. I would guess their births between
> 1730-50. In 1776 Francis is described as educated and a gentleman of
> means, as well as powerfully built and short.
> The 1799 Jessamine tax records has others in it that I speculate are
> related to my family and the Pryor family at a later date.
> Does anyone know anything about Susannah and Francis Poythress?
> Thank you,
> Katherine Russell
>
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11/30/2005 8:33:36
Hardaman Johnson 1850 census
katherine russell
1850 Bond co IL census
Elizabeth Johnson 48 NC
Israel 24 tn
Emeline 19 tn
Hardaman B 17 tn
Louisa 15
Emely 13
Sanford P 11
George W Hombengle 33 engineer tn
probably another son right above Elizabeth
Alfred B. Johnson 28 physician tn
Rhoda 22 ky
Sanford
Sarah e
Albert C
At one time I had the fathers name, I'll have to do some digging. It may have been Sanford?
11/30/2005 8:52:55
RE: Rebecca Poythress and Wade Pryor (Susannah Poythress)
John M. Poythress
Hi Katherine (or Bruce)....I'm a little confused as to who sent the
message but the answer is the same in any case and I regret that it's
something of a lame answer. I would be hopeful that someone else could
put some red meat on these bones.
First, as a sidebar issue, that's an intriguing proposition you have
with respect to the possibility of John Pryor being the husband of
Susanna Poythress Prior/Pryor of Jessamine County, KY. There is nothing
wrong with the chronology of John and Susanna fitting this scenario.
When you first said "Susanna Poythress may be the mother of my John
Pryor" I assume you meant "wife" in this possibility. John Pryor's
original grant of bounty land can be viewed on the KY Sec of State's
page at:
http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant
=0126.0
Also viewable are the individual surveys by clicking on the four plot
numbers below the introductory text. Unfortunately, these are pretty
close to illegible. Pryor's land became 4 1000 acre plots to comprise
his 4000 acre grant.
I struggled with trying to read the surveys and didn't have much luck.
The few legible references are to names like "Muddy River" and slashed
Oak trees which no longer exist. Also, the land was surveyed (and
presumably claimed) 1786-1789 and Jessamine County was not formed until
1798 so my search to pick "Jessamine" out of any of the text was
unsuccessful. That would at least have given us the proximity angle for
Susanna and John being in the same county.
Mitigating against this Susanna/John scenario, you have Susanna as a
widow in the Jessamine County, KY 1810 census while in that same 1810
census is a John Prior in the adjoining Mercer County. This John Prior
has a household of a male 26-45 (possibly him), a female 20-25 (his
wife?), 1 male each under 10, 10-16, 16-26 and one female under 10.
Copies of these grant and survey documents can be ordered from the Sec
of State and may be more legible. My guess is that a link between John
and Susanna will be difficult to prove but is likely to remain
intriguing in any case.
Back to Wade Prior/Pryor: if he was born in Columbia Co.,
GA 1798 then of course his family was already there.
Pryors living in Richmond (or later Columbia)counties would be quite
probable. At the time, Georgia was only a band of some 6 or 8 parishes
along the southern bank of the Savannah R. The arrivals from VA would
be in one of these parishes and Columbia would be the northernmost and
all the more logical. At the time, the rest of that land between the
basins of the Savannah and the Altamaha Rivers had yet to be "bought"
from the Creek nation.
As for the Augusta Chronicle "mail being held at post office" list,
those things were quite common but this one seems to fit with the time
schedule for the family.
Letters waiting at the Waynesborough post office in 1819 also looks
timely. Rebecca would likely be a child or young adult and likely also
could read at least some (if someone was writing her a letter).
Wade marrying a Rebecca Poythress would also be unremarkable. The woods
were full of them; while I don't have a single "Rebecca" in my records
that's not remarkable either. Other than appearances in the census
under their maiden names as children, many of the women just get
historically lost if they are in a census before 1850.
It's worth remarking that Rebecca's letter was addressed to her in
Waynesborough as that was (and is) the county seat of BURKE CO. which is
SOUTH of Richmond County and even further south than Columbia County
which itself is north of Richmond Co. This would place Rebecca right in
the middle of where most of the Poythresses lived (Burke/Screven),
further tending to confirm her being born in Burke, marrying in
Columbia....and then, APPARENTLY heading west with her family.
I say heading west because Harris County, GA is on the east bank of the
Chattahoochee River, precisely on the opposite side of the state and
that is the family in the Harris County 1830 census, just across the
river from Alabama, where so many of that family begin to show up
shortly thereafter. Unless they had an intention to keep moving west all
along, the most common reason to move to Harris County
in 1830 was to plant cotton. That river bottom was prime cotton land
and the farmers went at it full bore. There is a mid-1800's newspaper
clipping recognizing that "the last" tree in Harris County had been cut
down to make way for cotton. Those people literally planted the stuff
up to the porches and windows of their homes.
And finally at least some of the Prior/Pryor crowd seems to end up in
Texas. Just as further speculation, that's about the time that numerous
Georgians were organizing and moving west to fight in the Texas War for
Independence (1832-36)and be given Texas bounty land as a reward.
(for a piece of trivia, the original Lone Star flag was sewn by one
Joanna Troutman in Roberta, Georgia (about 25 mi. west of Macon). Said
Roberta presented the flag to the Georgia volunteers marching through
mid-GA on their way to the war in Texas. Some critical historians say
there is no proof of this. However, it can be said with certainty that
in the later 1800's a bunch of Texas veterans of that war came to GA,
dug Joanna up and transplanted her in Austin, complete with a 30 ft.
monument citing her flag sewing. Texas soldiers are not known for
frivolous pursuits; I'm inclined to take their word for it. )
What a shame that knowing the names of Rebecca's two sisters
Nancy Ann and Eliza doesn't give us anything to go on. My
look at census records say there are a few "F's" to fit the bill but
unfortunately until 1850 the census only contains the names of the heads
of households. Any try to make 3 sisters fit looks to me like only a
shot in the dark.
Given our lack of information, I'm inclined to the somewhat superficial
thought that Wade Pryor m. Rebecca Poythress (likely of Burke County),
moved the family to Harris County and subsequently later generations
moved further west....and that's about it for the relationship between
the two families.
Am I missing something here?
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:39 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Rebecca Poythress and Wade Pryor (Susannah Poythress)
I found this message posted a couple of years ago. It's believed by
other researching my Pryors that they moved to Georgia or awhile...plus
I have an unknown connection to the Wade family. My mothers land was
"given" to the Wade family in IL. She was told they were a "shirttale
relation"
Plus I had already speculated that my Pryors were related to the Phillip
Pryor family, as they have relations I think in Overton co Tn, close to
my Pryors.
Looks like Susannah Poythress may be the mother of my John Pryor.
Katherine Russell
am digging out information about the Prior/Pryor family in hopes that
it will lead to locations or associations with persons who might be
connected with the Poythress family in hopes of finding out more about
Rebecca Poythress and her sisters, Nancy Ann and Eliza.
Wade Haden Prior/Pryor was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. Georgia, and
died 25 Aug. 1863 in Tennille, Pike County, Alabama. He was the son of
HADEN PRIOR and ELIZABETH WADE.
He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 March 1829 in Columbia County Georgia.
NOTE: Columbia County, GA. borders the Savannah River and is near Burke
County. Columbia Co. was formed in 1790 from Richmond Co. which borders
Burke County.
Rebecca was born about 1805 (1850 Census, Pike Co. Miss) in Georgia, and
died 26 Dec 1871 in Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.
The children of Wade Haden Prior and Rebecca Poythress are:
1. Edward Haden Prior.......born 26 Dec. 1829, and died Unknown
2. Elizabeth Ann Prior........born 12 Nov 1831 and died Unknown
3. Wade Haden Prior, Jr. .. born 8 Nov. 1833 in Harris Co. Georgia, and
died 18 Feb 1893 in
Carthage, Panola Co., Texas. He married Elvira Ophelia Williams 26
Sep.1860 in Macon,
Alabama. She was born 17 April 1831 in Edgefield, S.C. and died 9
Nov. 1911 in Carthage,
Panola Co. Texas.
4. Thomas Jefferson Prior...born 8 Jan 1836, and died Unknown
5. Sarah Jane Prior ..... born 28 Dec. 1837, and died Unknown
6. John Thomas Prior ....born 8 Mar 1840, and died Unknown
7. James Garrett Prior....born 21 Feb 1843 and died Unknown
8. Robert B. Prior....born 29 Dec. 1845, and died Unknown
9. William Wakefield Prior....born 9 Sep. 1849 and died Unknown.
10. Prior child died Unknown.
NOTE: The Wade Prior family is found in the 1830 Census in Harris
County, Georgia. (from the Index for the 1830 Census for Harris Co.
Ga.......listed as WAID PRIOR)
Wade Haden Pryor was the son of Haden Pryor and Elizabeth Wade.
HADEN PRYOR was born between 1745 - 1750 in Granville, NC., and died
before Jul 1805 in Columbia County, Georgia. He was the son of PHILLIP
PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
ELIZABETH WADE was born in Granville. NC, and died after 1820 in
Columbia County Georgia. She was the daughter of JOHN WADE.
Children of Elizabeth Wade and Haden Pryor are: (Not in order)
1. Archibald Prior.....died unknown
2. Elizabeth Pror.....died unknown She married Joseph Harley 20 Dec.
1808. He died unknown.
3. Felix G. Prior was born between 1788 - 1789, and died about 1852 in
Morgan Co. Georgia. He
married Sarah Baldwin. She died unknown. He married Martha A.
Reese. She died unknown.
4. Haden G. Prior was born abt. 1804 and died 1823.
5. Mary Prior died unknown. She married Jonathan Pearrer. He died
unknown.
6. John Prior was born 28 Feb 1778, and died 16 Jun 1821 in Morgan Co.
Ga. He married Elizabeth
Allen 14 Dec. 1800 in Morgan Co. Ga., daughter of Robert Allen and
Elizabeth Napier. She was
born abt. 1784 in Fluvanna, VA. and died 7 Jun. 1852 in Madison,
Morgan Co. Georgia.
7. Asa T. Prior was born 28 Oct. 1783 in Caswell, N.C. and died 2 Jul
1854 in Sabine, Texas. He
married Sarah Witcher 1805 thought to be in Mt. Airy, Surry Co.
N.C. She was born 1 Oct. 1785
and died 2 Han. 1838 in Cedartown, Polk Co. GA.
8. WADE HADEN PRIOR was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. GA and died 25
Aug. 1863 in
Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama. He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 Mar
1829 in Columbia Co.
Georgia. She was born abt. 1805 in GA, and died 26 Dec. 1871 in
Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.
9. Nancy Prior died unknown. She married PATRICK DOUGHERTY 27 Dec.
1796 iin Columbia
Co. GA. He died unknown.
10. Jane Prior died unknown. She married MICHAEL DOUGHERTY 18 Apr 1807.
He died unk.
11. Philip Prior died unknown. He married JANE LANDERS. She died
unknown.
12 Sarah Ann Prior was born19 Sept. 1781 and died unknown. She married
JOHN MAGRUDER
20 Oct. 1800 in Columbia Co. Ga. He died unknown.
Haden Prior was the son of PHILIP PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
Philip Prior was born abt. 1720 in Gloucester, VA. and died 1769 in
Granville, NC. He was the son of ROBERT PRYOR and BETTY VIRGINIA GREEN.
Philip married Ann Haden who was born 1723 in Amelia Co. Virginia, and
died after Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
Children of Ann Haden and Phillip Prior are:
1. Haden Pryor born bet. 1745-1750 in Granville NC. and died bef. Jul
1805 in Columbia Co. GA. He married Elizabeth Wade 9 Sep 1769 in
Granville, NC. She was the daughter of John Wade. She was born in
Granville N.C. and died aft. 1820 in Columbia Co. GA.
2. Samuel Pryor died unknown.
3. William Pryor died unknown
4. Frances Pryor died unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK aft 19 Jun
1769 in Granville, NC. He died unknown.
5. John Pryor died unknown.....NOTE: STRICTLY SPECULATION.....There is
a John Pryor who was a Rev. Soldier...in the Virginia Continental
Line...His rank is listed as Captain Lieutenant and the branch was
Artillery. Years: 3, 4,000 acres. This land is recorded in Kentucky.
Warrant ID 0126.0
Could this be the Prior/Pryor who married Susanna Poythress, sister of
Francis Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress Peniston? In the 1810 census
for Jessamine Ky, the widow Susanna Prior had 25 slaves listed on the
census. I know this line seems to go nowhere, but it would be nice to
know as much as possible about them.
6. Susanna Pryor died Unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK. (So did
her sister, Frances.)
Philip Pryor was the son of Robert Pryor and Betty Virginia Green
Their children are:
1. Samuel Pryor was born 1699 in Gloucester, VA and died in 1790. He
married PRUDENCE THORNTON. She died unknown.
2. PHILIP PRYOR was born about 1720 in Gloucester, VA and died 1769 in
Granville Co. NC. He married Ann Haden abt. 1740 in Amelia Co. VA. She
ws born 1723 in Amelia, VA. and died aft. Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
3. John Pryor was born in Gloucester, VA, and died 1771 in Orange Co.
NC. He married Margaret Gaines, daughter of George Gaines and Elinor.
She was born abt 1709 in Gloucester VA and died abt 1780 in Orange Co.
or Caswell Co. NC.
Maynard or anyone......I have a question about a name from the
information on the Poythress site in regards to the Poythress Index to
the Augusta, Ga. Chronicle 1788 - 1827. The entry is for
04/05/1819....REBECCA POYTHRESS on list for letters remaining at post
office in Waynesborough, Georgia on April 1, 1819 (04/05/1819, 3, 2).
Do you know who she belongs to or is this possibly the Rebecca
Poythress who married Wade Pryor? You may have already discussed so
many of the questions I have, so please forgive me if I repeat things
already presented.
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11/30/2005 10:13:50
RE: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
John M. Poythress
Katherine, when I answered your original email I didn't have this one
before me.
Your information tallies exactly with our group's knowledge of Francis
Poythress the circuit rider, educator, etc.
The Tennessee and Illinois connections are not ones about which I'm
knowledgeable. Ordinarily, I take the presence of a Hardyman or Hardiman
as a dead ringer that the Poythress family is involved. However, I have
a hard time seeing any of this family in Illinois early on....although
I'll quickly say I haven't done any checking.
I hope someone else on the wire can give us some hints on this one.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
A few days ago I decided to look into a Susannah Poythress Pryor who I
found in the 1799 Jessamine co tax list a few years ago, as the possible
mother for my John Pryor b. abt 1770-80. Her brother was Francis
Poythress who was a Methodist circuit rider preacher sent out from
Baltimore in 1776 to KY. I don't know Susannah's husband first name,
but it may be Joseph. A Joseph Pryor lived by John Pryor's wife family
(Aquilla Sherrill) in the 1780's Greene co Tn (NC side), on the
Nolichucky river.
As I look into this Poythress family, I find a connection to my Wall
family (Henry Wall/Overby family). I also have Hardiman as a first
name. Hardiman Johnson m. Minerva Everman. The Everman's were from
Pendleton co VA. I can't remember off hand about the Johnson's.
Minerva and "Hardy" were married in IL. Minerva Everman's mother was
Elizabeth Wall, granddaughter of Henry Wall.
I don't think Rev. Francis Poythress ever married, because it was
unusual at the time for circuit riders to be married. He also moved in
with Susannah Poythress Pryor who was a widow in 1799,. He died 1818
"insane". Susannah can be found in the 1810 and 20 Jessamine co census.
Both she is over the age of 45. I would guess their births between
1730-50. In 1776 Francis is described as educated and a gentleman of
means, as well as powerfully built and short.
The 1799 Jessamine tax records has others in it that I speculate are
related to my family and the Pryor family at a later date.
Does anyone know anything about Susannah and Francis Poythress?
Thank you,
Katherine Russell
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11/30/2005 10:37:43
RE: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
John M. Poythress
Oops, Katherine, I should have said NOT knowledgeable.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
Katherine, when I answered your original email I didn't have this one
before me.
Your information tallies exactly with our group's knowledge of Francis
Poythress the circuit rider, educator, etc.
The Tennessee and Illinois connections are not ones about which I'm
knowledgeable. Ordinarily, I take the presence of a Hardyman or Hardiman
as a dead ringer that the Poythress family is involved. However, I have
a hard time seeing any of this family in Illinois early on....although
I'll quickly say I haven't done any checking.
I hope someone else on the wire can give us some hints on this one.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress, Wall, Hardiman and Pryor family's
A few days ago I decided to look into a Susannah Poythress Pryor who I
found in the 1799 Jessamine co tax list a few years ago, as the possible
mother for my John Pryor b. abt 1770-80. Her brother was Francis
Poythress who was a Methodist circuit rider preacher sent out from
Baltimore in 1776 to KY. I don't know Susannah's husband first name,
but it may be Joseph. A Joseph Pryor lived by John Pryor's wife family
(Aquilla Sherrill) in the 1780's Greene co Tn (NC side), on the
Nolichucky river.
As I look into this Poythress family, I find a connection to my Wall
family (Henry Wall/Overby family). I also have Hardiman as a first
name. Hardiman Johnson m. Minerva Everman. The Everman's were from
Pendleton co VA. I can't remember off hand about the Johnson's.
Minerva and "Hardy" were married in IL. Minerva Everman's mother was
Elizabeth Wall, granddaughter of Henry Wall.
I don't think Rev. Francis Poythress ever married, because it was
unusual at the time for circuit riders to be married. He also moved in
with Susannah Poythress Pryor who was a widow in 1799,. He died 1818
"insane". Susannah can be found in the 1810 and 20 Jessamine co census.
Both she is over the age of 45. I would guess their births between
1730-50. In 1776 Francis is described as educated and a gentleman of
means, as well as powerfully built and short.
The 1799 Jessamine tax records has others in it that I speculate are
related to my family and the Pryor family at a later date.
Does anyone know anything about Susannah and Francis Poythress?
Thank you,
Katherine Russell
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11/30/2005 10:51:35
brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
katherine russell
& june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own assist in clearing the same..
I did a quick search on the list and didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know and I won't continue.
I don't know if I even have a connection to the Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here.
Katherine Russell
12/01/2005 1:28:49
RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
JLP
Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
entries and much more.
While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
(poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
the Swem Index, etc. etc.
I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
Maynard
P. S.
I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
our group, Lou Poole.
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
& june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
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12/01/2005 1:33:10
Re: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
katherine russell
Thanks,
It's been about 10 years since I looked into the Wall family. I'm not sure
what I've done with my information. In fact I think my sister did most of
the Wall research.
We just moved and I think/hope most of my records are still boxed up.
Katherine Russell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JLP"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
> Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
> out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
> My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
> Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
> in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
> is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
> attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
> that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
> they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
>
> The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
> and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
> between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
> this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
>
> Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
> road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
> whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
> entries and much more.
>
> While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
> (poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
> proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
> years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
>
> In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
> website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
> the Swem Index, etc. etc.
>
> I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
> hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
> furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
> if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
> brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
> There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S.
> I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
> site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
> of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
> comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
> our group, Lou Poole.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>
> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>
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12/01/2005 1:34:29
Re: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Barbara P. Neal
Thanks Katherine; we certainly welcome any & all "Poytris" etc-spellings
& are glad to see this addition.
Barbara
12/01/2005 5:24:55
Porteus, etc.
John M. Poythress
Here is my email to the Porteus page on GenForum. It contains the
"order." Barbara, despite the circumstantial evidence on behalf of
Robert Poythress, you can check the Porteus/Porteous page on GenForum
and discover that the colonial VA woods were full of these Porteus guys.
Taking the semi-logical tack that a Congressional reporter might be
expected to render a proper name a little more carefully and/or
correctly than the average courthouse clerk...in addition to the known
existence of Porteuses, I'm inclined to not try to lay claim to this one
without more evidence. I wish one of those Porteus guys would answer
me. BTW, Crystal thinks it's Robert Poythress and she's the resident
expert on Ft. Christianna albeit I think she would also admit the
evidence is both circumstantial and "in the face" of the court document.
Anyway:
This is an interesting document for the Porteus crowd...I'm interested
in knowing if this is a known connection for you or if anyone has any
suspicion that he might be something other than a Porteus; i. e. as in
possibily being a Poythress. Thanks.
Document 37
ERECTION OF FORT CHRISTANNA
[Executive Journals, III, 375, 376] _______________________________
At a Council held at the Capitol the 15th day of October 1714 Present
The Honorable Alexander Spotswood her Majesties Lieutenant Governor etc.
James Blair Philip Ludwell John Smith John Lewis William Cocke and
Robert Porteus Esquires
* * * * * * *
The Governor acquainted the Council that pursuant to the Trust reposed
in him by the General Asembly he had for the better securing the
Frontiers erected a Fort at Christanna on the South side of Maherine
River, and laid out a Tract of land on that side for the habitation of
the Saponie, Occoneechee, Stukanox and Tottero Indians, and on the
opposite Side of the River another Tract for the Nottoways and Maherines
who had represented to him the impossibility of their being able to
Subsist on the Land intended for them in the fork of James River, by
reason of its barrenness, of which he himself had been an eye witness
during his late Progress: That for the Security of the Fort of
Christanna (40) he had appointed a Captain and twelve men to reside
there, who with a proportionable number of the Indians are to performe
the Ranging Service between Roanoak River and Appomattox and that part
of the Countrey which has been hitherto most exposed to the incursions
of the Tuscaruro Indians intirely Secured. And that for the ease of the
Country, he had disbanded the Rangers of Prince George's County and
reduced the number of those other Rangers who are continued in pay in
other parts of the Frontiers to the number of Six in each Troop.
Crystal....
This would fit our Robert Poythress (Batte # 28) as he would be 24 at
the time. At his death he wills (1743 will) considerable property to
half dozen children. The land he wills looks to be in part inherited
from his brother Peter (Batte # 27) so it's likely that by the time of
this Executive Council order he would have been a man of property....and
the "esquire" would imply also a man of education (even if not
technically a lawyer which "esquire" often, but not always, meant).
Both Robert and his brother Peter were constantly traders, translators
and negotiators with most of the tribes that wound up in Ft. Christiana.
Robert Poythress would have been a natural to have been sent by the
council but it strikes me that OUR first preference in the genealogical
matter should be to take the council at their word; i. e. the guy's name
really was Porteus.
Do you have any other "linkage" between this man and the Fort at
Christianna? How would you make the odds on Robert Porteus being Robert
Poythress?
(You might want to slip over to GenForum and give it Porteus and/or
Porteous....there seem to be quite a few of them, a couple from
Gloucester County, VA that might be candidates with better credentials
than ours to be this man..and they're actually named Porteus .
Maynard
12/01/2005 6:10:54
RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
John M. Poythress
Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733 road
order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a whole
CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall entries and
much more.
While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
(poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of years.
This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
website plus digitizing much, much more:
Wm&Mary Quarterly entries, the Swem Index, etc. etc.
I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one if
you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
Maynard
P. S.
I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column of
page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of our
group, Lou Poole.
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
& june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill to
Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
assist in clearing the same..
I did a quick search on the list and didn't see these posted..if they
are and I missed them, let me know and I won't continue.
I don't know if I even have a connection to the Poythress line, only the
Wall's listed here.
Katherine Russell
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12/01/2005 8:22:18
Re: Hardaman Johnson 1850 census
katherine russell
familysearch has Elizabeth Johnson below as Elizabeth Morgan b. 1803 nc and
NB or Jonathan Johnson b. tn.
I can't find a NB Johnson in Bond co IL, but do find a Jonathan Johnson.
Lots of Johnson's there, so I don't know if this means anything. Hardiman
Johnson below married Elizabeth Everman b. 1838 IL, her parents were Andrew
Everman and Elizabeth Wall, Andrews parents were Sarah Johnson b. 1754
Augusta co Va and William Everman. ( Johnson not proven).
I looked at the 1790 NC census with Hardiman and Odom Poythress in it. It
has a few Johnson's and LOTS of Morgans on the same page as them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "katherine russell"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Hardaman Johnson 1850 census
> 1850 Bond co IL census
> Elizabeth Johnson 48 NC
> Israel 24 tn
> Emeline 19 tn
> Hardaman B 17 tn
> Louisa 15
> Emely 13
> Sanford P 11
> George W Hombengle 33 engineer tn
> probably another son right above Elizabeth
> Alfred B. Johnson 28 physician tn
> Rhoda 22 ky
> Sanford
> Sarah e
> Albert C
>
> At one time I had the fathers name, I'll have to do some digging. It may
> have been Sanford?
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12/02/2005 1:26:50
Re: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
katherine russell
Thanks,
I know Bruswick co was large during this time frame. I didn't continue
sending the information to the list. I didn't find another record for a
Poythress. John and Michael Wall are listed together on entry's. Also find
a Wm Wall.
...James Mackdaniel is appt surveyor.....from Maherrin River near Mizes to
the main rd instead of Wm Maclin gent...
....The overseer of the upper part of the rd from James MIZES to the fork of
the Roanoke..
also listed was a Jeremiah Mize in another record.
My Peter Wall m. Mary Mize b. abt 1770-75 va, they married 1787 Brunswick co
va.
I'm pretty sure I already have some of this information, but I haven't put
it in my computer and haven't located my paper files yet. (which wall
family from Brunswick)
Another clue that I might follow to Susannah Poythress Pryer is Peter Massa.
He is mentioned in a record as another circut rider methodist preacher with
Francis Poythress. My Pryor family marry into the Massa line, but I have
not really tried to follow that line. What little I have done has lead to
dead ends. Maybe this Peter may lead somewhere.
Every last name of my Pryor children born before 1810 marry someone on the
1808 White co tax list, white co, falling water. Capt. Bird Smith.
The only one of these kids I can find alive in 1880 is Elizabeth Pryor Smith
(m. Bird Smith) She was born 1802 KY and has her father born MD mother VA.
I can't prove this is my Elizabeth Pryor in 1880 however. She is in the
right state and county in IL for it to be her, married to the right Smith
name, though he is dead in 1880.
Thanks for your help
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
> Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
> Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
> different roads and all the tithables
> (residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
>
> All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
> County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
>
> R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
> "Poythress Family in Virginia":
>
> 214 Ann Poythress
> m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
> Eppes Society.
>
> Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
> wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
> out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
> My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
> Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
> in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
> is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
> attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
> that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
> they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
>
> The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
> and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
> between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
> this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
>
> Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
> road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
> whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
> entries and much more.
>
> While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
> (poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
> proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
> years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
>
> In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
> website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
> the Swem Index, etc. etc.
>
> I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
> hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
> furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
> if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
> brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
> There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S.
> I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
> site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
> of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
> comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
> our group, Lou Poole.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>
> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>
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12/02/2005 2:47:29
Re: Porteus, etc.
Crystal
Another reason I believe that it is Robert Poythress is because of the 1713 court case of Robert furnishing ammo to the NDNs. There is already an established relationship between Robert and the trade. The following year in 1714 is the Porteus with the Fort. When you take into account the relationship between the Poythress and the Wall family and knowing that John Wall received land for movement of the Saponi to the fort. It's by no means definitive but it would make better sense to be a Poythress considering the associations that were with the other families involved with the trade where we've not run into hardly any if at all of the Porteus group. Just my thoughts.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent: Dec 1, 2005 1:10 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Porteus, etc.
Here is my email to the Porteus page on GenForum. It contains the
"order." Barbara, despite the circumstantial evidence on behalf of
Robert Poythress, you can check the Porteus/Porteous page on GenForum
and discover that the colonial VA woods were full of these Porteus guys.
Taking the semi-logical tack that a Congressional reporter might be
expected to render a proper name a little more carefully and/or
correctly than the average courthouse clerk...in addition to the known
existence of Porteuses, I'm inclined to not try to lay claim to this one
without more evidence. I wish one of those Porteus guys would answer
me. BTW, Crystal thinks it's Robert Poythress and she's the resident
expert on Ft. Christianna albeit I think she would also admit the
evidence is both circumstantial and "in the face" of the court document.
Anyway:
This is an interesting document for the Porteus crowd...I'm interested
in knowing if this is a known connection for you or if anyone has any
suspicion that he might be something other than a Porteus; i. e. as in
possibily being a Poythress. Thanks.
Document 37
ERECTION OF FORT CHRISTANNA
[Executive Journals, III, 375, 376] _______________________________
At a Council held at the Capitol the 15th day of October 1714 Present
The Honorable Alexander Spotswood her Majesties Lieutenant Governor etc.
James Blair Philip Ludwell John Smith John Lewis William Cocke and
Robert Porteus Esquires
* * * * * * *
The Governor acquainted the Council that pursuant to the Trust reposed
in him by the General Asembly he had for the better securing the
Frontiers erected a Fort at Christanna on the South side of Maherine
River, and laid out a Tract of land on that side for the habitation of
the Saponie, Occoneechee, Stukanox and Tottero Indians, and on the
opposite Side of the River another Tract for the Nottoways and Maherines
who had represented to him the impossibility of their being able to
Subsist on the Land intended for them in the fork of James River, by
reason of its barrenness, of which he himself had been an eye witness
during his late Progress: That for the Security of the Fort of
Christanna (40) he had appointed a Captain and twelve men to reside
there, who with a proportionable number of the Indians are to performe
the Ranging Service between Roanoak River and Appomattox and that part
of the Countrey which has been hitherto most exposed to the incursions
of the Tuscaruro Indians intirely Secured. And that for the ease of the
Country, he had disbanded the Rangers of Prince George's County and
reduced the number of those other Rangers who are continued in pay in
other parts of the Frontiers to the number of Six in each Troop.
Crystal....
This would fit our Robert Poythress (Batte # 28) as he would be 24 at
the time. At his death he wills (1743 will) considerable property to
half dozen children. The land he wills looks to be in part inherited
from his brother Peter (Batte # 27) so it's likely that by the time of
this Executive Council order he would have been a man of property....and
the "esquire" would imply also a man of education (even if not
technically a lawyer which "esquire" often, but not always, meant).
Both Robert and his brother Peter were constantly traders, translators
and negotiators with most of the tribes that wound up in Ft. Christiana.
Robert Poythress would have been a natural to have been sent by the
council but it strikes me that OUR first preference in the genealogical
matter should be to take the council at their word; i. e. the guy's name
really was Porteus.
Do you have any other "linkage" between this man and the Fort at
Christianna? How would you make the odds on Robert Porteus being Robert
Poythress?
(You might want to slip over to GenForum and give it Porteus and/or
Porteous....there seem to be quite a few of them, a couple from
Gloucester County, VA that might be candidates with better credentials
than ours to be this man..and they're actually named Porteus .
Maynard
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12/02/2005 4:49:35
RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
John M. Poythress
Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
different roads and all the tithables
(residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
"Poythress Family in Virginia":
214 Ann Poythress
m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
Eppes Society.
Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
entries and much more.
While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
(poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
the Swem Index, etc. etc.
I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
Maynard
P. S.
I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
our group, Lou Poole.
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
& june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
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12/02/2005 5:03:10
RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
stevew602
We have tried to find the "trial chart of the Eppes Society" that Batte mentions and have failed. I even wrote Dorman and asked him (got somewhat of a vague response, but I'll gladly share it if you're interested). We NC Walls think we might descend from this Ann/John marriage, and have built a good circumstantial-evidence case, but as Lou will tell you, it's not proof. If you have any luck finding it, please let me know.
Katherine, I took the lineage that you posted a week or so ago and tried to match it against our line, with no luck. I assume you know of the "Walls of Walltown" book? That's my line.....
Steve Wall
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent: Dec 2, 2005 9:03 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
different roads and all the tithables
(residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
"Poythress Family in Virginia":
214 Ann Poythress
m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
Eppes Society.
Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
Lou
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
entries and much more.
While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
(poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
the Swem Index, etc. etc.
I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
Maynard
P. S.
I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
our group, Lou Poole.
-----Original Message-----
From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
& june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
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12/04/2005 4:23:05
Fw: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
katherine russell
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From: "stevew602"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
> We have tried to find the "trial chart of the Eppes Society" that Batte
> mentions and have failed. I even wrote Dorman and asked him (got somewhat
> of a vague response, but I'll gladly share it if you're interested). We
> NC Walls think we might descend from this Ann/John marriage, and have
> built a good circumstantial-evidence case, but as Lou will tell you, it's
> not proof. If you have any luck finding it, please let me know.
>
> Katherine, I took the lineage that you posted a week or so ago and tried
> to match it against our line, with no luck. I assume you know of the
> "Walls of Walltown" book? That's my line.....
>
> Steve Wall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Sent: Dec 2, 2005 9:03 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
> Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
> different roads and all the tithables
> (residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
>
> All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
> County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
>
> R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
> "Poythress Family in Virginia":
>
> 214 Ann Poythress
> m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
> Eppes Society.
>
> Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
> wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
> out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
> My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
> Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
> in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
> is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
> attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
> that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
> they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
>
> The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
> and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
> between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
> this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
>
> Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
> road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
> whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
> entries and much more.
>
> While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
> (poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
> proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
> years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
>
> In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
> website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
> the Swem Index, etc. etc.
>
> I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
> hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
> furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
> if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
> brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
> There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S.
> I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
> site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
> of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
> comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
> our group, Lou Poole.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>
> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>
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12/04/2005 5:44:10
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katherine russell
sorry this is what i ment to forward.
----- Original Message -----
From: "katherine russell"
To: "stevew602"
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>I was able to find some of my written records, but not all. As I mentioned
>we recently moved and I haven't unpacked everthing.
> Peter Wall and Mary Mize marriage record is correct for
> 1797 Brunswick co VA, as well as some of their children. Did I post them
> all? My Elizabeth Wall says in all of her census records she was born in
> NC, the rest of the family tn, probably Williamson co Tn. The link
> between my Elizabeth and Peter Wall's family is that she took care of
> Henry Wall, son of Peter and Mary, lived and grew up in the same town as
> these Walls, and her husbands family, marry into these walls. She may be
> a niece? I do have a very early Wall marriage in my Everman line:
> Catherine Wall m. John Eberman (Everman) 1797 Clark co KY. John was the
> uncle or great uncle of my Andrew Everman who married Elizabeth Wall in
> IL. John Everman died 1857 in Indiana. I can't remember if I ever figured
> out a connection to Catherine Wall and the Walls in Crawford co IL.
> (Cumberland/Jasper). I did find in my records that Henry Wall and Overby
> parents for Peter Wall was speculation, and never proven.
> I'm busy this week, but I'll try to find my Wall records before my kids
> get home from college next week.
> Katherine Russell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stevew602"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:23 AM
> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
>
>> We have tried to find the "trial chart of the Eppes Society" that Batte
>> mentions and have failed. I even wrote Dorman and asked him (got
>> somewhat of a vague response, but I'll gladly share it if you're
>> interested). We NC Walls think we might descend from this Ann/John
>> marriage, and have built a good circumstantial-evidence case, but as Lou
>> will tell you, it's not proof. If you have any luck finding it, please
>> let me know.
>>
>> Katherine, I took the lineage that you posted a week or so ago and tried
>> to match it against our line, with no luck. I assume you know of the
>> "Walls of Walltown" book? That's my line.....
>>
>> Steve Wall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "John M. Poythress"
>> Sent: Dec 2, 2005 9:03 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>
>> Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
>> Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
>> different roads and all the tithables
>> (residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
>>
>> All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
>> County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
>>
>> R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
>> "Poythress Family in Virginia":
>>
>> 214 Ann Poythress
>> m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
>> Eppes Society.
>>
>> Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
>> wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>
>> Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
>> out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
>> My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
>> Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
>> in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
>> is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
>> attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
>> that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
>> they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
>>
>> The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
>> and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
>> between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
>> this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
>>
>> Lou
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>
>>
>> Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
>> road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
>> whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
>> entries and much more.
>>
>> While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
>> (poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
>> proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
>> years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
>>
>> In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
>> website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
>> the Swem Index, etc. etc.
>>
>> I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
>> hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
>> furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
>> if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
>> brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
>> There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>> P. S.
>> I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
>> site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
>> of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
>> comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
>> our group, Lou Poole.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>
>> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
>> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
>> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
>> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
>> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
>> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>>
>> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
>> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
>> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
>> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
>> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
>> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
>> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
>> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>>
>>
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12/04/2005 5:48:32
Re: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
Pat
I know that most appear to be interested in the Wall relationship but what I found interesting of Kathryn's Russell's "brunswick co road reports 1732-1746" was the April 1733 extract mentioning the surname Brewer.
"April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby, John
Chapman, George Brewer,......"
My William & Julia Poythress whose daughter Martha married Edward O'Neal in March 1880 per the Greensville Co, VA marriage records appear to have a Brewer link. In the 1850 Greensville Co, VA Census, a Martha Brewer, age 50, is in the home of Wm (33) & Julia (29)Potis, HH 309, Hicksford Co PO. I have assumed at this point, that this Martha Brewer is likely the mother of Julia.
I would be interested if anyone on this Poythress mailing lists have Poythresses which also have a Brewer line.
Pat Autry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>
> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>
> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>
>
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12/04/2005 8:18:09
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katherine russell
Correction to below. John Eberman/Everman was probably Joseph Eberman, m.
1797 Clark co KY. There are two transcribed records for the same date for
the wall/Eberman marriage. One for John and Catherine Wall, and another for
Joseph and Catherine Wall.
I'm not sure what part of my Eberman family this Joseph came from. The
Eberman family came over abt 1752 from the Rhine River valley in Germany.
My branch settled in Potomac/Hampshire co VA (county changed names but they
stayed put). Later they moved on to KY, and then split and went to Indiana
and IL. There is a Joseph Eberman who got land 1814 in IL. See entry
below..
In 1818 the central portion of the village of Troy was know by the nave of
"Columbia". The village contained a horse grist mill, owned by John Jarvis;
a dry goods store owned by Stephen Dewey; a tavern owned by Joseph Everman;
and very few houses
>> Catherine Wall m. John Eberman (Everman) 1797 Clark co KY. out a
>> connection to Catherine Wall and the Walls in Crawford co IL.
>> (Cumberland/Jasper). I did find in my records that Henry Wall and Overby
>> parents for Peter Wall was speculation, and never proven.
>> I'm busy this week, but I'll try to find my Wall records before my kids
>> get home from college next week.
>> Katherine Russell
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stevew602"
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:23 AM
>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>
>>
>>> We have tried to find the "trial chart of the Eppes Society" that Batte
>>> mentions and have failed. I even wrote Dorman and asked him (got
>>> somewhat of a vague response, but I'll gladly share it if you're
>>> interested). We NC Walls think we might descend from this Ann/John
>>> marriage, and have built a good circumstantial-evidence case, but as Lou
>>> will tell you, it's not proof. If you have any luck finding it, please
>>> let me know.
>>>
>>> Katherine, I took the lineage that you posted a week or so ago and tried
>>> to match it against our line, with no luck. I assume you know of the
>>> "Walls of Walltown" book? That's my line.....
>>>
>>> Steve Wall
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "John M. Poythress"
>>> Sent: Dec 2, 2005 9:03 AM
>>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>>
>>> Also, Katherine, I'm at a lost to make anything out of comparing the two
>>> Brunswick road orders. Cappt Poythris and John Wall live on two
>>> different roads and all the tithables
>>> (residents along the particular road)are entirely different.
>>>
>>> All I can make out of this one is that they both lived in Brunswick
>>> County. I'll have to refer you to Lou on this one.
>>>
>>> R. B. Batte only has the following note which is the text for his chart
>>> "Poythress Family in Virginia":
>>>
>>> 214 Ann Poythress
>>> m. John Wall. Numerous decendants are given in the trial chart of the
>>> Eppes Society.
>>>
>>> Given that the Eppes/Epps people are all over the various genealogy
>>> wires this might prove a worthwhile place to search.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Maynard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: JLP [mailto:sample1048@leapmail.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:33 PM
>>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>>
>>> Maynard and Katherine: might as well jump in at this point and point
>>> out that there were two John Wall families in early Brunswick County.
>>> My line is from "Colonel" John Wall who lived down near Fort
>>> Christiana, and later Lawrenceville. The other John Wall line lived
>>> in the northern part of the county on or near Waqua Creek. This last
>>> is - I think Katherine's line of Walls (see, I've been paying
>>> attention ). So far I have not been able to find any real evidence
>>> that they were related, but "feel" with pretty high confidence that
>>> they were - perhaps the two elder John Walls were as close as cousins.
>>>
>>> The two lines of Walls are very hard to distinguish, but with practice
>>> and correlation in time one can begin to determine the difference
>>> between the two - for most records. Until the researcher has obtained
>>> this familiarity, though, it is very easy to confuse the two families.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:22 PM
>>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: RE: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Katherine.....thanks for thinking about us on the Brunswick 1733
>>> road order. We have that one (and many more); including, in fact a
>>> whole CD-ROM full of VA Poythress data which includes some Wall
>>> entries and much more.
>>>
>>> While our list server is operative (it's on Rootsweb), our webpage
>>> (poythress.net) is unfortunately a "read only"
>>> proposition and nothing new has been posted in the last couple of
>>> years. This comes about because we are list-meisterless.
>>>
>>> In the meanwhile, I have collected (I hope)all the information on the
>>> website plus digitizing much, much more: Wm&Mary Quarterly entries,
>>> the Swem Index, etc. etc.
>>>
>>> I provide a free service in which I simply keep an active file on my
>>> hard drive and burn a copy CD on request and mail one to anyone
>>> furnishing me a snailmail address. I would be happy to mail you one
>>> if you wish and you can send me your snail mail directly >
>>> brerfox@bellsouth.net < without having to post it on the internet.
>>> There is no charge at all and I'm happy to handle this.
>>>
>>> Maynard
>>>
>>> P. S.
>>> I'm assuming you have checked the Wall entry that IS on the webpage
>>> site. Click on Studies, Timelines and Charts in the left hand column
>>> of page 1. When you get to this page the second entry is a fairly
>>> comprehensive study of the Wall-Poythress connections done by one of
>>> our group, Lou Poole.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: katherine russell [mailto:kjrussell@clearwire.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM
>>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: brunswick co road reports 1732-1746
>>>
>>> & june 1733 O.S.,Page 26
>>> Henry Cook is appointed supervisor of a road from Capp Poytris's
>>> plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's ford over Meherrin
>>> and......all the male laboring tyths between the Cane branch and the
>>> G.....swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas
>>> Busby, Thomas Burnett,and Francis Steed assist in clearing the same..
>>>
>>> April 1733 (typed as 1773 but with all the 1733 records)
>>> John Wall gent is appointed surveyor of a briddle road from his Mill
>>> to Chamberlains Ford and that the tyths of Henry Fox, John Irby John
>>> Chapman George Brewer, William Linch, Joseph Heathrock and his own
>>> assist in clearing the same.. I did a quick search on the list and
>>> didn't see these posted..if they are and I missed them, let me know
>>> and I won't continue. I don't know if I even have a connection to the
>>> Poythress line, only the Wall's listed here. Katherine Russell
>>>
>>>
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12/05/2005 4:15:15
Michael Tutor
Fill in the blank(s) censuses: Help or hinderance? If I have missed some
census entries, please forward those. I have noted the census taker's
information and added a possible year of birth or the birth dates that are
known in the entries as well as full names in the post-1840 entries. In the
identification of the many records, it is a great aid to know what families
and individuals were present and where they lived. These "lists" are a tool
and not meant to be factual at this stage. Once everything has been
analyzed, we should be able to draw definitive conclusions.
I keep seeing the letter "p" in some of the Poythress entries. In the German
script, the capital "B" is used instead of the double "s." The "p" may be
another one of those irregularities.
1779
Thomas Poythress, 1779, Dinwiddie Co., Va., Rent Roll, Va. Early Census
Index. (Thomas Poythress 1729-c. 1797)
William Poythress, 1779, Prince George Co., Va., Rent Roll, Va. Early Census
Index. (Wm. Poythress 1753-1794)
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1782
Peter Poythress, 1782, Sussex, Twp., Va. Early Census Index, Continental
Census, p. 44. (Peter Poythress 1730-1787)
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1801
Captain William Poythress, 1801, Army Lands, Twp., Va. Military District,
Va. Early Census Index, Tax List, p. 71. (William Poythress 1765-bef.
5/15/1810)
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1810
William Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 534, 1 m 26-44, 5 ofp, 2
slaves
William Poythress b. 1766-1784 (poss. son of Thomas Poythress 1729-c. 1797
or poss. son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly dau. of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly son of Wm. & Mary
Gilliam Poythress)
3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
Mary Poythress, 1810, Southampton Co., Va., p. 844, 2 m under 10, 2 f 16-25,
1 f 45+.
Mary Poythress b. bef. 1765.
2 F 16-25 b. 1785-1794
2 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
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1820
Patrick H. Poythress, 1820, Dinwiddie Co., Va., p. 17, 2 m under 10, 1 m
26-44, 1 m 45+, 1 f under 10, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 f
slave 26-44.
1 M 45+ b. bef. 1775
Patrick H. Poythress b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1780. (s. of William Poythress &
Mary Gilliam)
Mary Elizabeth Poythress b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1785. (nee Mary Elizabeth
Eppes)
1 F 10-15 b. 1805-1810 (possibly Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
William Peterson Poythress b. 1810-1820. b. abt. 1810.
A. H. Poythress b. 1810-1820.
Mary Poythress b. 1810-1820.
Joshua Poythress, 1820, Petersburg Twp., Va., p. 111, 1 m 26-44, 1 f 10-15,
2 f 26-44, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 f slave 26-44.
Joshua Poythress b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1784. (s. of William Poythress & Mary
Gilliam)
Jane Mills Poythress b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1788. (nee Jane Mills Angus)
Nancy G. D. Poythress b. 1795-1810. b. abt. 1814.
Thomas E. Poythress, 1820, Charles City Co., Va., p. 9A, 1 m 16-25, 1 m
26-44, 2 f under 10, 1 f 26-44, 24 m slaves under 14, 8 m slaves 14-25, 5 m
slaves 26-44, 2 m slaves 45+, 15 f slaves 14-25, 6 f slaves 26-44, 1 f slave
45+.
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1785 (s. of William Poythress &
Mary Gilliam)
Beersheeba Bryant b. 1776-1794. b. abt. 1789 (nee Beersheeba Bryant)
William Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. abt. 1794 (possibly brother of Thomas E.
Poythress)
Caroline Poythress b. 1810-1820. b. abt. 1817
Anne Maria Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1820
Meredy Poythress, 1820, Screven Co., Ga., p. 250, 3 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1
m 45+, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44, 1 m slave 14-25.
Meredith Poythress b. bef. 1775 b. abt. 1760 born VA (s. of Thomas Poythress
1729-c. 1797)
Hester Wilder Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. February 25, 1793 (nee Hester
Wilder)
Meredith Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. abt. 1790
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1805-1810 b. abt. 1792
George Washington Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. January 13, 1819
John White Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. January 13, 1821
Isaac Edwin Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. May 28, 1828
George Pogtress, 1820, Laurens Co., Ga., p. 15, 1 m 16-25, 1 m 45+, 1 f
under 10, 2 m slaves under 14, 2 m slaves 14-25, 7 m slaves 26-44, 3 f
slaves under 14, 1 f slave 14-25, 3 f slaves 26-44.
George Poythress b. bef. 1775 b. abt. 1765 (s. of Thomas Poythress 1729-c.
1797)
John Carter Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. September 14, 1796
Mary Elizabeth Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1809
Lewis Portress, 1820, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 158A, 1 m under 10, 2 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 m 45+, 1 f under 10, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 45+, 1m slave 26-44.
Lewis Poythress b. bef. 1775 b. abt. 1770 (s. of Thomas Poythress 1729-c.
1797)
Rebecca B. Poythress b. bef. 1775 b. 1780 (nee Rebecca B. Taylor)
Edward Poythress b. 1795-1804 abt. 1798 (1st marriage) (s. of Elizabeth
Patsy Giles)
John Poythress b. 1795-1804 abt. 1800 (1st marriage) (s. of Elizabeth Patsy
Giles)
James Edward Poythress b. 1805-1810 b. August 13, 1803
David Poythress b. 1805-1810 b. abt. 1805
Rebecca L. Poythress b. 1805-1810 b. abt. 1811
Sarah G. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. January 6, 1814
Lewis Y. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1819
John Poythress (Fr.), 1820, Prince George Co., Va., p. 53, 1 m fcp 45+, 1 f
fcp 45+.
John Poythress b. bef. 1775
William Poythress, 1820, Chatham Co., Ga., p. 75, 1 m 16-18, 3 m 16-25, 1 f
26-44, 3 m slaves under 14, 2 f slaves under 14, 1 f slave 26-44, 1 f slave
45+.
1 F 26-44 b. 1776-1794
3 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
1 M 16-18 b. 1802-1804 (Which individual was
considered HOH?)
James ?Poythrer, 1820, Screven Co., Ga., p. 254, 1 m under 10, 1 m 26-44, 3
f under 10, 1 f 26-44, 1 f slave under 14, 1 f slave 14-25.
James P. Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. btwn. 1790-1795 (1st appearance)
1 F b. 1776-1794
1 M b. 1810-1820
3 F b. 1810-1820
William Poythers, 1820, Screven Co., Ga., p. 259, 2 m 16-25, 1 m 45+, 1 f
under 10, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 45+.
William Poythress b. bef. 1775 (possibly s. of Thomas Poythress 1729-c.
1797)
1 F 45+ b. bef. 1775
2 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
1 F 16-25 b. 1795-1804
1 F under 10 b. 1810-1820
Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1
m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1
f slave 14-25.
Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. abt. 1789 (1st appearance)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798
1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818
(Joseph & Mary m. April 24, 1814.)
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1830
John C. Poythress, 1830, Burke Co., Ga., p. 150, 1 m 30-39, 1 f 20-29, 1 f
30-39, 9 m slaves under 10, 4 m slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 24-35, 4 m slaves
36-44, 2 m slaves 55-99, ?me F slaves under 10, 8 f slaves 10-23, 4 f slaves
24-35.
John Carter Poythress, b. 1791-1800 b. September 14, 1796 (s. of George
Poythress & Harriett Carter)
Eloisa Amelia Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. abt. 1800 (nee Eloisa Amelia Morris)
1 F 20-29 b. 1801-1810 (possibly sister, Mary Elizabeth Poythress)
Thomas Poythress, 1830, Charleston Co., S. C., St. Thomas/St. Dennis Parish,
p. 193, 1 m 40-49, 2 f 10-14, 1 f 15-19, 1 f 40-49, 10 m slaves under 10, 15
m slaves 10-23, 10 m slaves 24-35, 10 m slaves 36-54, 8 m slaves 55-99, 10 f
slaves under 10, 10 f slaves 10-23, 12 f slaves 24-35, 9 f slaves 36-54, 11
f slaves 55-99.
Thomas Poythress b. 1781-1790 (s. of Thomas Poythress c. 1756-c. 1800)
1 F 40-49 b. 1781-1790
1 F 15-19 b. 1811-1815
2 F 10-14 b. 1816-1820
Meredith Porthess, 1830, Screven Co., Ga., p. 306, 1 m under 5, 1 m 5-9, 1m
10-14, 1 m 15-19, 1 m 60-69, 1 f 20-29.
Meredith Poythress b. 1761-1770 b. abt. 1760 (s. of Thomas Poythress 1729-c.
1797)
Hester Wilder Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. February 25,1793
George Washington Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. January 13, 1819
John White Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. January 13, 1821
Sarah Elizabeth Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. November 14, 1826
Isaac Edwin Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. May 28, 1828
Lily Poythress, 1830, Dinwiddie Co., Va., p. 411, 1 f 50-59, 1 m slave under
10, 1 m slave 24-35, 1 m slave 36-54, 2 f slaves 10-24, 1 f slave 36-54.
Lily Poythress b. 1771-1780 b. abt. 1780 (widow of Peter, s. of Meredith &
Edith Poythress)
Lewis Potress, 1830, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 15, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
60-69, 2 f 15-19, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave 10-23, 1 f 10-23, 1 f slave 24-35, 1
f slave 36-54.
Lewis Poythress b. 1761-1770 b. abt. 1770 (s. of Thomas Poythress 1729-c.
1797)
Rebecca B. Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1780 (nee Rebecca B. Taylor)
Rebecca L. Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. abt. 1811
Sarah G. Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. January 6, 1814
Lewis Y. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. abt. 1819
Thomas M. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. abt. 1823
James Portress, 1830, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 29, 1 m under 5, 1 m 20-29, 1
f 15-19, 1 f 50-59, 2 m slaves under 5, 1 m slave 24-35.
1 F 50-59 b. 1771-1780
James Edward Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. August 13, 1803 (s. of Lewis &
Rebecca Poythress)
Catherine Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. January 20, 1800 (nee Catherine Speed
Preston)
Joshua Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. November 10, 1828
(James and Catherine Poythress, m. January 29, 1828, Brunswick County,
Virginia)
David Portress, 1830, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 58, 1 m 20-29, 1 f under 5, 1
f 15-19, 1 f slave 10-23.
David Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. abt. 1805 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Mary Speed Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. abt. 1810 (nee Mary Speed Dortch)
Martha Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. abt. 1830
Thomas E. Poythress, 1830, Charles City Co., Va., p. 116, 1 m 20-29, 1 m
40-49, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 16 m slaves under 10, 14 m slaves 10-23, 6 m
slaves 24-35, 3 m slaves 36-54, 1 m slave 55-99, 12 f slaves under 10, 11 f
slaves 10-23, 3 f slaves 24-35, 7 f slaves 36-54, 4 f slaves 55-99.
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1785 (s. of William Poythress &
Mary Gilliam)
Beersheba Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 (nee Beersheba Bryant)
William Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. abt. 1794 (brother of Thomas E. Poythress)
Anne Maria Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. abt. 1820
Joshua Poythrop, 1830, Prince George Co., Va., p. 43, 1 m 40-49, 1 f 15-19,
1 f 20-29, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave under 10, 4 m slaves 24-35, 1 m slave 36-54,
1 f slave 10-23.
Joshua Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1784 (s. of William Poythress & Mary
Gilliam)
Jane Mills Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1788 (nee Jane Mills Angus)
1 F 20-29 b. 1801-1810 (possibly Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
Nancy G. D. Poythress b. 1811-1815 b. abt. 1814
John Poythrop, 1830, Prince George Co., Va., p. 46, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 15-19, 1 f
10-14, 1 f 60-69, 1 m slave under 10, 2 f under 10, 1 f 24-35.
1F 60-69 b. 1761-1770
1 M 15-19 b. 1811-1815
1 F 10-14 b. 1816-1820
1 M 5-9 b. 1821-1825
Tabitha Porthess, 1830, Screven Co., Ga., p. 309, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 2
f 15-19, 1 f 20-29, 1 f 40-49, 1 f 50-59.
Tabitha Poythress b. 1771-1780 (possibly wife of William Poythress, s. of
Thomas Poythress)
Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m
slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f
24-35.
Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 (2nd appearance)
Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798 (nee Mary King)
1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800
William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. abt. 1818
Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. abt. 1822
Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. abt. 1823
John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. abt. 1826
Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. abt. 1828
J. P. Poythress, 1830, Gadsden Co., Fl., p. 141, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
20-29, 1 m 30-39, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 10-14, 1 f 15-19, 2 m slaves
under 10, 1 m slave 36-54, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 36-54.
James P. Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. btwn. 1790-1795 (2nd appearance)1 M 20-29
b. 1801-1810
1 F 15-19 b. 1811-1815
1 F 10-14 b. 1816-1820
1 M 10-14 b. 1816-1820
1 M 5-9 b. 1821-1830 (James A. Poythress?, b. 1822, Ga.)
1 F 5-9 b. 1821-1830
1 F under 5 b. 1825-1830
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1840
Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m
20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave
under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave
24-34.
Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 (3rd appearance)
1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800
Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818
Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823
John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826
Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828
Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836
1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840
(Mary Ann E. Poythress m. Daniel Ware)
James P. Poythress, 1840, Gadsden Co., Fl., p. 101, 1 m under 5, 1 m 10-14,
1 m 15-19, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 10-14, 1 f 15-19, 1 f slave 24-34.
James P. Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. btwn. 1790-1795 (3rd appearance)
1 M 15-19 b. 1821-1825 (James A. Poythress?, b. 1822, Ga.)
1 F 15-19 b. 1821-1825
1 M 10-14 b. 1826-1830
1 F 10-14 b. 1826-1830
1 M under 5 b. 1835-1840 (John P. Poythress?, b. September 19, 1833, Fl.)
1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840
Thomas E. Poythres, 1840, Charles City Co., Va., p. 125, 1 m 50-59, 1 f
50-59, 14 m slaves under 10, 8 m slaves 10-23, 2 m slaves 24-34, 6 m slaves
36-55, 11 f slaves under 10, 3 f slaves 10-23, 8 f slaves 24-34, 2 f slaves
36-54, 1 f slave 56-99.
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1785 (s. of William Poythress &
Mary Gilliam)
Beersheba Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789 (nee Beersheba Bryant)
Joshua Potrey, 1840, Prince George Co., Va., p. 17, 1 m 50-59, 1 f 20-29, 1
f 40-49, 1 m slave under 10, 1 m slave 24-34, 1 m slave 36-55, 1 f slave
under 10, 1 f slave 24-34, 1 f slave 56-99.
Joshua Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1784 (s. of William Poythress & Mary
Gilliam)
Jane Mills Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. abt. 1788 (d. of John Angus and Lucy
Wortham)
Nancy G. D. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1814
Lewis Portress, 1840, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 407, 1 m 15-19, 1 m 20-29, 1
m 70-79, 1 f 60-69, 1 m fcp 10-23, 1 f fcp 10-23.
Lewis Poythress b. 1761-1770 b. abt. 1770 (s. of Thomas Poythress, 1729-c.
1797)
Rebecca B. Poythress b. 1771-1780 b. abt. 1780 (nee Rebecca B. Taylor)
Lewis Y. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1819
Thomas M. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. abt. 1823
James Portress, 1840, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 396, 3 m 5-10, 1 m 30-39, 2 f
under 5, 1 f 30-39, 1 m slave 36-55.
James Edward Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. August 13, 1803 (s. of Lewis &
Rebecca Poythress)
Catherine Speed Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. January 20, 1800
Joshua Lewis Poythress b. 1830-1835 b. November 10, 1828
Nathan Francis Poythress b. 1830-1835 b. October 18, 1830
William Huel Poythress b. 1830-1835 b. December 10, 1832
Catherine Jane Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. August 10, 1838
Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. November 10, 1840
David Portress, 1840, Mecklenburg Co., Va., p. 405, 1 m 5-9, 1 m 30-39, 1 f
under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39.
David Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. abt. 1805 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Mary Speed Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. abt. 1810 (nee Mary Speed Dortch)
James Speed Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. September 24, 1829
Martha Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1830
Mary Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. abt. 1836
John C. Poythress, 1840, Burke Co., Ga., p. 147, 1 m 40-49, 1 f 30-39, 12 m
slaves under 10, 2 m slaves 10-23, 15 m slaves 24-34, 5 m slaves 36-54, 3 m
slaves 56-99, 15 f slaves under 10, 10 f slaves 10-23, 8 f slaves 24-34, 4 f
slaves 36-54, 5 f slaves 56-99.
John Carter Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. September 14, 1796 (s. of George
Poythress & Harriett Carter)
Eloisa Amelia Poythress b. 1801-1810 b. abt. 1800 (nee Eloisa Amelia Morris)
Meridith Poythress, 1840, Screven Co., Ga., p. 91, 1 m under 5, 1 m 5-9, 1 m
40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49.
Meredith Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. abt. 1790 (s. of Meredith Poythress &
Edith Cleaton)
Susan R. Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. abt. 1800 (nee Susan R. Maner)
Mary Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1829
Susan Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. abt. 1831
John Maner Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. July 26, 1832
Daniel Willie Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. February 26, 1838
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1850
John Poythress, 1850, Granville County, N. C., HH 73, of Mortimer and
Elizabeth Tanner, Abrams Plains District, p. 10, December 11.
John Poythress M 21 born Va. b. abt. 1829
John C. Poythress, 1850, Burke Co., Ga., HH 15, Waynesboro Twp., p. 271,
June 21.
John Carter Poythress M 52 planter b. G. b. September 14, 1796 $30,000 r.e.
(s. of Geo. & Harriett)
George A. Mandell M 22 agent with R.R. born FL b. 1828
Mary E. Mandell F 22 born GA b. 1828
John P. Mandell M 4 born GA b. 1846
Ann E. Mandell F 2 born GA b. 1848
Hester Poythress, 1850, Screven Co., Ga., HH 298, District 74, p. 42,
September 10.
Hester Poythress F 55 farmer $800 r.e. b. SC can't read/write b. February
25, 1793 (widow of Meredith Poythress)
William E. Poythress M 18 farmer born SC b. July 11, 1833
Mary A. Poythress F 14 born GA b. abt. 1836
Lucy M. Poythress F 9 born GA b. abt. 1841
Jane Poythress F 5 born GA b. abt. 1845
Merideth Poythress, 1850, Screven Co., Ga., HH 504, District 74, p. 69 & 75,
September 27.
Meredith Poythress M 60 farmer $500 real estate born Ga. b. abt. 1790 (s. of
Meredith & Edith Poythress)
Susan Poythress F 50 born GA b. abt. 1800 (nee Susan R. Maner)
Mary Poythress F 21 born GA b. abt. 1829
Susan Poythress F 18 born GA b. abt. 1831
John Poythress M 15 born GA b. July 26, 1832
Daniel Poythress M 12 born GA b. February 26, 1838
Ruthy Poythress F 10 born GA b. abt. 1840
John Poythress, 1850, Screven Co., Ga., HH 406, District 74, p. 53,
September 20
John White Poythress M 26 farmer $200 real estate b. Ga. b. abt. 1821 (s. of
Meredith & Hester Poythress)
Marian Poythress F 28 born GA b. abt. 1827
Mary Poythress F 6 born GA b. abt. 1844
Sarah Poythress F 4 born GA b. abt. 1846
William Poythress M 2 born GA b. abt. 1848
Isaac Poythress, 1850, Screven Co., Ga., HH 297, District 74, p. 42,
September 10.
Isaac Poythress M 22 farmer $700 r.e. b. SC md. during yr b. abt. 1827 (s.
of Meredith & Hester)
Mary Poythress F 20 born SC cannot read or write b. abt. 1830
Joseph Poythress, 1850, Troup Co., Ga., HH 71, LaGrange Twp., p. 119, August
30.
Joseph Poythress M 62 planter $18,000 r.e. b. Ga. b. abt. 1789 (4th
appearance)
Mary Poythress F 52 born GA b. June 30, 1798
William B. Poythress M 30 born GA b. abt. 1818
Russell K. Poythress M 25 born GA b. abt. 1823
Sarah Jane Poythress F 22 born GA b. abt. 1828
Francis A. Poythress M 18 born GA b. April 4, 1836
John Dewberry M 43 born GA
William Combs M 35 born GA overseer
Alexander Piper M 26 born GA overseer
Ellina Piper F 23 born GA
(Joseph Poythress, d. April 14, 1853. Mary King Poythress, d. September 29,
1854)
Polly Poythress, 1850, Prince George Co., Va., HH 460, of Thomas L. Leonard,
p. 84, September 17.
Polly Poythress F 72 born VA b. abt. 1778 (heiress of Robert Poythress)
William Poythress, 1850, Dinwiddie Co., Va., HH 464, of J. M. H. ?Bonnet.
Petersburg City, p. 417, October 2.
William Poythress M 14 born VA attends school b. abt. 1837 (1st appearance)
Benjamin Potress, 1850, Dinwiddie Co., Va., HH 509, Peterburg City, p. 421,
October 4.
Benjamin Poythress M 42 born VA huxter b. abt. 1808 (1st appearance)
Mary Poythress F 26 born VA b. abt. 1824
George Poythress M 1 born VA b. abt. 1849
Mariah Day F 31 born VA (black) b. abt. 1819
Elizabeth Johnson F 50 born VA b. abt. 1800
Levy Johnson M 35 born VA taylor b. abt. 1815
Edward Poythress, 1850, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 241, Region 98, p. 63,
September 27.
Edward Poythress M 52 born VA laborer b. abt. 1798 (s. of Lewis & Elizabeth
Patsy Poythress)
Mahala Poythress F 47 born VA b. abt. 1803
Sarah A. Poythress F 18 born VA b. abt. 1832
Harriet Poythress F 16 born VA b. abt. 1834
James Poythress, 1850, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 217, Region 98, p. 62,
September 26.
James Edward Poythress M 45 b. Va. carpenter b. August 13, 1803 (s. of Lewis
& Rebecca Poythress)
Catherine Speed Poythress F 45 born VA b. January 20, 1800
Joshua Lewis Poythress M 21 born VA carpenter b. November 10, 1828
Nathan Francis Poythress M 19 born VA laborer b. October 18, 1830
William Huel Poythress M 16 born VA laborer b. December 10, 1832
Catherine Jane Poythress F 13 born VA b. August 10, 1838
Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress F 11 born VA b. November 10, 1840
Penelope Frances Poythress F 9 born VA b. August 4, 1843
Algernon Edward Poythress M 6 born VA b. August 12, 1844
Virenda Priscilla Poythress F 4 born VA b. February 19, 1848
David Poythress, 1850, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 134, Region 98, p. 56-57,
September 17.
David Poythress M 44 b. Va. overseer b. abt. 1806 $429 r.e. (s. of Lewis &
Rebecca Poythress)
Sally Poythress F 32 born VA b. abt. 1818 (nee Sally Dortch)
James Speed Poythress M 17 born VA b. September 24, 1829
Mary Poythress F 14 born VA b. abt. 1836
George W. Poythress M 9 born VA b. abt. 1840
Charles David Poythress M 1 born VA b. July 15, 1849
L. Y. Poythress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 340, 0. 392, September 20.
Lewis Y. Poythress M 37 born VA overseer b. abt. 1819 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca
Poythress)
Mary Poythress F 43 born VA b. abt. 1807 (nee Mary C. Ferguson)
Thomas Poythress, 1850, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 218, Region 98, p. 62,
September 26.
Thomas Poythress M 35 b. Va. laborer b. abt. 1823 $144 r.e. (s. of Lewis &
Rebecca Poythress)
Lucy Poythress F 25 born VA b. abt. 1827 (nee Lucy J. Thomas)
William Poythress M 5 born VA b. abt. 1845
Frances Poythress F 3 born VA b. abt. 1847
William Poythress, 1850, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 174, of Nancy Thomas,
Region 98, p. 59, September 23.
William Poythress M 4 born VA b. abt. 1845 (grandson of Nancy Thomas, s. of
Thomas & Lucy Poythress)
William Portress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 181, p. 383, September 5.
William Poythress M 23 born VA laborer b. abt. 1827 (1st appearance)
Julia Poythress F 18 born VA b. abt. 1832
Joshua Poythress, 1850, Prince George Co., Va., HH 70, p. 61, August 3.
Joshua Poythress M 66 b. VA farmer b. abt. 1784 $1,500 r.e. (s. of Wm.
Poythress & Mary Gilliam)
Jane M. Poythress F 62 b. VA b. abt. 1788 (nee Jane Mills Angus)
Charlotte Poythress, 1850, Henrico Co., Va., HH 240, of Elias Reed, Richmond
Twp., p. 251, August 28.
Charlotte Poythress F 25 b. Va. b. June 6, 1825 (wife of Wm. Peterson
Poythress, s. of Patrick H. & Mary)
Patrick Henry Poythress M 4 born Va. b. abt. 1846
William P. Poythress M 2 born Va. b. November 24, 1847 (William Powhatan
Poythress)
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1860
John C. Poythress, 1860, Burke Co., Ga., HH 299, Waynesboro Twp., p. 908,
June 27.
John Carter Poythress M 62 planter $14,000 r.e. $45,000 p.e. b. Ga. b. 1796
(s. of George & Harriett)
Mary E. Mandell F 48 born GA b. abt. 1812 (half-sister of John Carter
Poythress)
Ann E. Mandell F 11 born GA attending school b. abt. 1849
John Poythress, 1860, Screven Co., Ga., HH 141, District 36, p. 81, June 13.
John White Poythress M 33 farmer $500 r.e. $150 p.e. b. Ga. b. January 13,
1821 (s. of Meredith & Hester)
Mary Poythress F 33 born GA b. abt. 1827 (nee Mary Ann Margaret Wilder)
Mary H. Poythress F 17 born GA b. abt. 1844
Sarah E. Poythress F 12 born GA b. abt. 1846
William H. Poythress M 8 born GA b. abt. 1848
John H. Poythress M 7 born GA b. abt. 1853
Henrietta Poythress F 4 born GA b. abt. 1856
Viola Poythress F 3 born GA b. abt. 1857
Charles M. Poythress M 9/12 born GA b. September 1859
William E. Poythress, 1860, Screven Co., Ga., HH 147, District 36, p. 81,
June 13.
William E. Poythress M 27 farm laborer born Ga. b. abt. 1832 (s. of Meredith
& Hester Poythress)
Martha J. Poythress F 19 born Ga. b. abt. 1841 (nee Martha J. Usher)
Sarah J. Poythress F 1 born Ga. b. abt. 1859
B. H. Brannen, 1860, Screven Co., Ga., HH 531, District 34, p. 140, July 6.
B. H. Brannen M 40 farmer $10,000 r.e. $16,000 p.e. b. Ga. b. abt. 1820
E. D. Brannen F 28 born SC b. abt. 1832
Ralph Brannen M 10 born Ga b. abt. 1850
Pauline E. Brannen F 8 born Ga b. abt. 1852
B. H. Brannen M 6 born Ga b. abt. 1854
Sarah E. Brannen F 2 born Ga b. abt. 1858
M. Poythress M 60 farm laborer born Ga b. abt. 1790 (Meredith Poythress,
Jr.)
J. M. Poythress, 1860, Screven Co., Ga., HH 519, District 34, p. 138, July
6.
John Maner Poythress M 37 farmer $5,000 r.e. $500 p.e. b. Ga. b. July 26,
1832 (s. of Meredith & Susan)
Rhoda Poythress F 30 born Ga. b. May 28, 1828 (nee Rhoda E. Gross)
Alice Poythress F 5 born Ga. b. May 11, 1855
R. Gross F 29 born Ga.
Amy Gross F 30 born Ga.
William Poythress, 1860, Troup Co., Ga., HH 12, District 673, p. 176, June
21.
William B. Poythress M 42 farmer $4,500 r.e. $21,200 p.e. b. Ga. b. abt.
1818 (s. of Joseph & Mary Poythress)
W. S. Booth M 22 overseer born Ga.
R. K. Poythress, 1860, Troup Co., Ga., HH 324, Pool Mills Twp., p. 220, June
11.
Russell King Poythress M 37 $2,000 r.e. $25,000 p.e. b. Ga. b. abt. 1823 (s.
of Joseph & Mary Poythress)
S. A. Poythress F 30 born England b. abt. 1830 (nee L. A. Simpson)
Charles E. Poythress M 8 born Ga. b. September 27, 1852
Henry Poythress M 6 born Ga. b. abt. 1854
Kate Poythress F 4 born Ga. b. abt. 1856
Joseph Poythress M 1 born Ga. b. abt. 1859
S. J. Poythress, 1860, Troup Co., Ga., HH 925, of Dave Ware, LaGrange Twp.,
p. 310, July 10.
Sarah Jane Poythress F 34 b. Ga. idiot (d. of Joseph & Mary Poythress)
C. E. Poythress, 1860, Troup Co., Ga., HH 1044, LaGrange Twp., p. 325, July
14.
Caroline E. Poythress F 24 farmer $17,000 r.e. $60,000 p.e. b. Ga. b. abt.
1836 (nee Caroline Ware)
Mary Lorane Poythress F 5 b. Ga. b. September 3, 1856 (d. of Francis Andrew
Poythress)
A. C. Ware M 30 M.D. $7,000 real est. $8,000 per. est. born Ga.
E. Ware M 26 clerk born Ga.
James Crawford M 27 druggist $4,000 per. est. born NC
Mary Crawford F 22 born Al
(Francis Andrew Poythress, b. April 4, 1836, d. October 2, 1860, m. February
22, 1855, s. of Joseph & Mary Poythress)
James Poythress, 1860, Sumter Co., Al., HH 283, p. 37, September 6.
James Edward Poythress M 56 farmer $1,000 p.e. b. Va. b. August 13, 1803 (s.
of Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Catherine Speed Poythress F 60 b. Va. b. January 20, 1800
Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress F 16 b. Va. b. November 10, 1840
Penelope Frances Poythress F 14 b. Va. b. August 4, 1843
Algernon Edward Poythress M 12 b. Va. b. August 12, 1844
Virenda Priscilla Poythress F 11 b. Va. b. February 19, 1848
D. Poythress, 1860, Warren Co., N. C., HH 425, Warrenton, p. 510, June 27.
David Poythress M 53 overseer $3,000 r.e. b. Va. can't read/write b. abt.
1805 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca)
Sally R. Poythress F 40 born Mecklenburg Co., Va. b. abt. 1818 (nee Sally R.
Dortch)
George W. Poythress M 19 born Mecklenburg Co., Va. b. abt. 1840
Charles David Poythress M 11 born Mecklenburg Co., Va. b. July 15, 1849
Lucy M. Poythress F 7 born Mecklenburg Co., Va. b. abt. 1853
Alice M. Poythress F 4 born Mecklenburg Co., Va. b. abt. 1857
Polly Poythress, 1860, Prince George Co., Va., HH 168, of T. L. Leonard,
Templeton P.O., p. 353, June 29.
Polly Poythress F 70 born Va. (heiress of Robert Poythress)
William D. Poythuss, 1860, Dinwiddie Co., Va., HH 322, Petersburg South
Ward, p. 35, June 15.
William D. Poythress M 23 grocer $500 r.e. $100 p.e. b. Va. b. abt. 1837
(2nd appearance)
Louisa Poythress F 25 born Va. b. abt. 1835
Benjamin Poythinss, 1860, Dinwiddie Co., Va., HH 2755, Petersburg Centre
Ward, p. 129, August 1.
Benjamin Poythress M 50 huckster $100 p.e. born Va. b. abt. 1810
Susan Poythress F 36 born Va. b. abt. 1824
George Poythress M 10 born Va. attended school b. abt. 1850
Virginia Poythress F 6 born Va. attended school b. abt. 1854
Mary E. Poythress F 4 born Va. attended school b. abt. 1856
William Potis, 1860, Greensville Co., Va., HH 309, Hicksford P.O., p. 599,
August 6.
William Poythress M 33 saw milling $75 p.e. b. Va. b. abt. 1827 (2nd
appearance)
Julia Poythress F 29 born NC b. abt. 1831
James Poythress M 8 born Va. b. abt. 1852
Joseph Poythress M 7 born Va. b. abt. 1853
Thomas Poythress M 5 born Va. b. abt. 1855
Jane Poythress F 4 born Va. b. abt. 1856
Benjamin Poythress M 1 born Va. b. abt. 1859
Martha Brewer F 50 born NC
Lewis Y. Poythress, 1860, Greensville Co., Va., HH 312, Hicksford P.O., p.
599, August 6.
Lewis Y. Poythress M 40 overseer $50 p.e. b. Va. b. abt. 1819 (s. of Lewis &
Rebecca Poythress)
Mary C. Poythress F 50 born Va. b. abt. 1810 (nee Mary C. Ferguson)
Nancy A. Chiles F 20 born Va.
Elizabeth Chiles F 15 born Va.
Thomas M. Poythriep, 1860, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 173, Region 98, p. 254,
June 26.
Thomas M. Poythress M 37 carpenter b. abt. 1823 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca
Poythress)
Lucy Poythress F 33 b. abt. 1827
Elizabeth Poythress F 6 b. abt. 1854
James Poythress M 3 b. abt. 1857
Henrietta Poythress F 1 b. abt. 1859
William Poyshriep, 1860, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 192, of Nancy Thomas,
District 98, p. 255, June 26.
William Lewis Poythress M 13 b. Va. b. abt. 1847 (grandson of Nancy Thomas,
s. of Thomas & Lucy Poythress)
Scharlott Portres, 1860, Henrico Co., Va., HH 563, Richmond Ward 1, p. 105,
July 6.
Charlotte Poythress F 38 born Va. b. June 6, 1825 (wife of Wm. Peterson
Poythress, s. of Patrick & Mary)
Henry Poythress M 14 born Va. attended school b. 1846
William Poythress M 13 born Va. attended school b. November 24, 1847
Sally Poythress F 8 born Va. attended school b. February 8, 1852
John L. Poythress, 1860, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 797, Region 98, p. 318,
July 23.
John Lewis Poythress M 29 farm labor $100 p.e. born Va. b. August 29, 1829
Tabitha A. Poythress F 22 born NC b. October, 1834 (nee Tabitha Ann Nunn)
Joshua E. Poythress M 4 born Va. b. February 22, 1856
Susan A. Poythress F 2 born Va. b. abt. 1858
Virginia Louise Poythress F 1/12 born Va. b. June 1860
(John L. Poythress, b. August 29, 1829, in Mecklenburg Co., Va., m. December
12, 1848, d. February 27, 1905, in Vance Co., N.C. Tabitha, b. October,
1834)
James A. Poythress, 1860, Caddo parish, La., HH 408, Shreveport P.O., p.
459, July 27.
James A. Poythress M 38 farmer $1000 r.e. $300 p.e. b. Ga. m. 1851 (possibly
s. of James P. Poythress)
Martha A. Poythress F 30 b. Va.
Emma J. Poythress F 8 b. La.
Mary V. Poythress F 6 b. La.
Wm. H. Poythress M 4 b. La.
John M. Poythress M 26 carpenter b. Fl.
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1870
William Poythress, 1870, Screven Co., Ga., HH 639, Halcyondale P.O., p. 303,
August 22.
William E. Poythress M 39 farm laborer $200 p.e. b. Ga. b. July 11, 1833 (s.
of Meredith & Hester Poythress)
Martha Poythress F 28 born Ga. b. abt. 1842 (nee Martha J. Usher)
Idella Poythress F 12 born Ga. b. abt. 1862
Thomas Boston Poythress M 10 born Ga. b. abt. 1860
William Poythress M 8 born Ga. b. abt. 1862
Warren Poythress M 6 born Ga. b. abt. 1864
Robert Poythress M 4 born Ga. b. abt. 1866
John Poythress, 1870, Screven Co., Ga., HH 705, Halcyondale P.O., p. 307,
August 25.
John White Poythress M 49 farmer $500 r.e. $200 p.e. b. Ga. can't read/write
b. abt. 1821 (s. of Meredith & Hester)
Maryan Poythress F 47 born Ga. can't read/write b. abt. 1823
William Poythress M 19 farm laborer born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1851
Henrietta Poythress F 13 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1857
Viola Poythress F 11 born Ga. b. abt. 1859
Charles Poythress M 8 born Ga. b. abt. 1862
Lee Poythress M 7 born Ga. b. abt. 1863
Susan Poythress, 1870, Screven Co., Ga., HH 879, Halcyondale P.O., p. 318,
August 30.
Susan Poythress F 64 $100 r.e. $200 p.e. b. Ga. b. abt. 1806 (widow of
Meredith, s. of Meredith & Edith)
Mary Poythress F 35 born Ga. b. abt. 1835
Ruthy Poythress F 24 born Ga. b. abt. 1846
Daniel Poythress, 1870, Screven Co., Ga., HH 875, Halcyondale P.O., p. 318,
August 30.
Daniel Poythress M 30 farmer $100 r.e. $200 p.e. born Ga. b. February 26,
1838 (s. of Meredith & Susan)
Laura Poythress F 24 born Ga. b. abt. 1846
Hattie Poythress F 9/12 born Ga. b. January 1870
Allen Lester M 22 farm laborer born Ga.
Rhody Poythress, 1870, Screven Co., Ga., HH 883, Halcyondale P.O., p. 318,
August 30.
Rhody Poythress F 40 born Ga. b. March 28, 1828 (widow of John Maner, s. of
Meredith & Susan)
Allice Poythress F 15 born Ga. attended school b. May 11, 1855
Eda Poythress F 10 born Ga. b. abt. 1860
William Poythress M 7 born Ga. b. March 21, 1865
Cullen Poythress M 4 born Ga. b. January 23, 1867
Ann Gross F 36 born Ga.
W. B. Poythress, 1870, Troup Co., Ga., HH 518, LaGrange P.O., p. 355, June
20.
William B. Poythress M 49 farmer born Ga. b. abt. 1830 (s. of Joseph & Mary
Poythress)
R. K. Poythress, 1870, Troup Co., Ga., HH 105, LaGrange Twp., p. 226, June
2.
Russell King Poythress M 47 farmer born Ga. b. abt. 1823 (s. of Joseph &
Mary Poythress)
S. A. Poythress F 38 music teacher b. England b. abt. 1832
Charles E. Poythress M 17 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1853
Henry E. Poythress M 14 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1856
Kate Poythress F 12 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1858
James Poythress M 11 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1859
M. L. Poythress, 1870, Troup Co., Ga., HH 109, of C. E. Gay, LaGrange Twp.,
p. 227, June 1.
Mary L. Poythress F 13 born Ga. attended school b. abt. 1857 (d. of Frank &
Caroline E. Poythress)
Cathrine Gilbert, 1870, Sumter Co., Al., HH 138, Twp. 22, p. 83, August 11.
Catherine Gilbert F 33 $6,000 r.e. b. Va. b. August 10, 1838 (d. of James &
Catherine Poythress)
Arabella Gilbert F 12 born Al. attended school b. abt. 1858
Lovina Gilbert F 10 born Al. attended school b. abt. 1860
William Gilbert M 8 born Al. b. abt. 1862
John Gilbert M 8 born Al. b. abt. 1862
Edward Gilbert M 3 born Al. b. abt. 1867
Catherine Poythress F 70 born Va. b. January 2, 1800 (widow of James E., s.
of Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Dave McKinly M 27 born Al.
Algiren Poythress, 1870, Sumter Co., Al., HH 147, Twp. 22, August 11.
Algernon Poythress M 26 farmer born Va. b. abt. 1844 (s. of James &
Catherine Poythress)
Ellen Poythress F 18 born Al. b. abt. 1852
James T. Poythress M 1 born Al. b. abt. 1869
Susan Poythress, 1870, Dinwiddie Co., Va., HH 5, Petersburg/6th Ward, p. 34,
August 12.
Susan Poythress F 45 born Va. b. abt. 1825 (widow of Benjamin Poythress)
George Alexander Poythress M 21 musician born Va. b. abt. 1849
Virginia Poythress F 16 dressmaker born Va. b. abt. 1854
Mary E. Poythress F 14 born Va. b. abt. 1856
Susan Poythress F 9 born Va. b. abt. 1861
Laura Poythress F 6 born Va. b. abt. 1864
Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp., p. 356,
June 30.
Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830 (widow of
William Poythress)
Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864
Charlotte Poytress, 1870, Henrico Co., Va., HH 716, Richmond/Marshall Ward,
p. 193, July 6.
Charlotte Poythress F 45 $150 p.e. b. Va. b. June 6, 1825 (widow of Wm.
Peterson Poythress, s. of Patrick H.)
Sarah R. Poythress F 18 born Va. b. February 8, 1852
Walter E. Poythress M 8 born Va. b. August 20, 1861
Lewis Poythress, 1870 Greensville Co., Va., HH 197, Belfield Twp., p. 22,
July 20.
Lewis Y. Poythress M 51 farmer born Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1819 (s. of
Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Mary Poythress F 60 born Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1810 (nee Mary C.
Ferguson)
Ann Childs F 28 born Va. b. abt. 1842
Thomas M. Poythress, 1870, Mecklenburg Co., Va., HH 213, South Hill Twp., p.
453, July 6.
Thos. M. Poythress M 47 farmer $300 r.e. $100 p.e. b. Va. can't read/write
b. abt. 1823 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca)
Lucy J. Poythress F 43 born Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1827
James D. Poythress M 13 born Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1857
Sallie Poythress F 10 born Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1860
Peter V. Poythress M 5 born Va. b. abt. 1865
Anderson J. Poythress M 3 born Va. b. abt. 1867
Luban Poythress M 8/12 born Va. b. 1869
David Poythress, 1870, Warren Co., N. C. HH 26, Smith Creek Twp., p. 640,
July 9.
David Poythress M 63 farmer $300 per. est. b. Va. can't read/write b. abt.
1805 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca Poythress)
Sarah Poythress F 45 born VA b. abt. 1818
Lucie Poythress F 16 born VA b. abt. 1853
Alice Poythress F 12 born VA b. abt. 1857
Geo. W. Poyetress, 1870, Person Co., N. C., HH 162, Flat River Twp., p.
21-22, July 14.
George W. Poythress M 31 farm laborer b. Va. can't read/write b. abt. 1840
(s. of David & Sally Poythress)
Permelia Poythress F 23 born VA can't read/write b. abt. 1847
William J. Poythress M 8 born NC b. abt. 1862
Robert Poythress M 6 born NC b. abt. 1864
Ella Poythress F 4 born NC b. abt. 1866
Simeon Poythress M 2 born NC b. abt. 1868
John B. Poythress M 3/12 born NC b. February 1870
Elizabeth Poythress F 33 born NC b. abt. 1847
Chas. D. Poythress, 1870, Warren Co., N. C., HH 35, Nutbush Twp., p. 520,
June 8.
Charles David Poythress M 20 dry goods retail merchant $1,000 p.e. b. Va. b.
July 15, 1849 (s. of David & Sally)
Oliver Dortch M 26 clerk dry goods store born Va.
(These two are double first cousins)
John P. Poytress, 1870, Gadsden Co., Fl., Census: #1287-1279
John P. Poythress M 34? Farmer $150 $150 Fl. (1833-4/26/1886) (possibly s.
of James P. Poythress)
Mary A. Poythress F 24 Keeping house Fl.
James M. Poythress M 3? (could be 2)
John P. Poythress, Jr. M 1 Fl.
12/05/2005 4:33:22
Michael Tutor
The following list includes every listed deed that I have seen mentioning a
Poythress: Transferring from one format to another always changes the format
in which I originally put the list together. The list is chronological, with
the life span of the individual Poythress, Y/N to indicate whether the full
document is available, the seller of the property, the date of sale, the
number of acres, and if the seller was not a Poythress, the name of the
Poythress that was mentioned. This list adds another dimension to
identifying the existence of different individuals and where they were
involved in transactions.
The identifying life span with the individual in the entry is my
identification of the individual. These will be looked at more closely as
the different lists are completed and compared to the existing records. The
number of Francis, William and John Poythresses make it neccesary to
evaluate the life events of each individual to discover the particular
individual in each record.
(1609-c. 1651) Y Poythers, Francis 7/13/1637 400 Charles City Co
(1609-c. 1651) N Woodliffe, John 7/25/1638 200 Charles City Co Francis
Poythres
(1609-c. 1651) Y Poythres, Francis, Captain 5/8/1648 750 Charles City Co
(c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 4/1661 50 Charles City Co Captain Francis
Poythres
(c. 1639-1688) N Poythres, Francis 6/3/1665 450 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Edmonds/Williams 4/20/1680 888 Charles City Co Major
Poytries
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytres, Francis 9/28/1681 609 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytries, Francis, Major 4/20/1682 750 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Hill, Edward, Colonel 11/20/1683 980½ Charles City Co
Francis Poytheris
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytheres, Francis 11/20/1683 1,250 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Goodrich, Charles 4/20/1687 550 Charles City Co Major
Poytheres
(c. 1639-1688) Y Mumfort, James 4/20/1689 50 Charles City Co Major Francis
Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Tapley, Adam 4/21/1690 1,078 Charles City Co Major Poythres
(c. 1660->1711) Y Poythres, Rebecca 4/29/1692 1,000 Charles City Co
(c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 9/20/1699 350 Surry County
(c. 1640-1712) Y Poythris, John 10/24/1701 350 Charles City Co
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 10/23/1703 609 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Mumford, Robert 4/26/1704 50 Charles City Co Major Francis
Poythress
(c. 1681-1724) N Poythress, John 12/11/1704 200 Prince George Co Francis
Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Hamlin, John 5/2/1705 550 Charles City Co Major Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Bland, Richard 11/2/1705 1,254 Mr. Francis Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 6/22/1708 600 Pr. Geo./Surry Co
(c. 1660->1711) N Bartholomew, Anne 9/10/1711 200 Prince George Co Rebecca
Poythress
(c. 1660->1711) N Poythress, Rebecca 9/10/1711 300 Prince George Co Rebecca
Poythress
N Bland, Richard 3/3/1711 430 Prince George Co Mr. Francis Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) N Poythress, Thomas 12/9/1712 100 Pr. Geo. Co Fr. Poythres of
Westover
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 5/12/1713 100 Prince George Co
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr. 6/8/1714 50 Prince George Co of
Weyanoke
N Grammar, Peter 7/12/1715 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythres
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 3/23/1715 100 Isle of Wight Co of Pr. Geo.
Co.
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythres, Thomas 3/23/1715 180 Surry County
(1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 5/9/1717 500 Surry County
(c. 1672->1726) Y Poythres, John 7/15/1717 267 Surry County of Pr. Geo. Co.
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 2/10/1717 200 Prince George Co
N Pace, Richard 11/11/1717 Prince Geo. Co Fr. Poythress, the Elder
N Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
Y Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 400 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr., et al 9/4/1720 1,200 Prince George Co
(c. 1681-1724) N Poythres, John, Jr. 11/8/1720 150 Prince Geo. Co Fr.
Poythres, the Elder
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythress, Peter 2/14/1720 92 Surry County
(1694-1763) N Poythres, William 4/4/1721 100 Prince George Co Joshua
Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 9/11/1721 40 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 9/12/1721 100/267 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 10/4/1721 100 Prince George Co
N Poythres, Francis 12/11/1721 200 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) Y Poythres, Peter 12/11/1721 200 Prince Geo. Co John, s. of
Fr. Poythres
(c. 1688-1741) Y Poythres, Joshua 6/22/1722 333 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Golitely, John 2/18/1722 100 Isle of Wight Co Peter
Poythres
(c. 1685-1740) Y Poythres, David 9/5/1723 250 Surry County
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythres, John 9/5/1723 200 Isle of Wight Co of Pr. Geo.
Co.
(c. 1685-1740) Y Robbords, John 9/5/1723 235 David Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Ivie, Adam 12/16/1723 130 Pr. Geo. Co Capt. John/Mr. Peter
Poythress
Y Poythris, Francis, Captain 7/9/1724 387 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 7/9/1724 206 Prince George Co
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 2/22/1724 248 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 7/9/1725 300 Prince George Co
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 7/11/1725 2 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) N Poythres, William 7/11/1725 100 Prince George Co Joshua
Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 7/12/1725 Prince George Co
(c. 1674->1726) Y Poythres, John, Capt. 10/13/1727 275 Brunswick County
(1694-1763) Y Poythriss, William 10/13/1727 343 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 3/11/1727 400 Prince George Co
Y Poythris, Francis, Jr. 9/28/1728 200 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Poythris, Robert 9/28/1728 291 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Glover, Robert 9/28/1728 297 Prince George Co Robert Poythris
(1694-1763) N Poythress, William 5/2/1729 2,000 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Parham, Abraham 9/28/1730 150 Surry County Joshua Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) N Eldings/Leath 8/25/1731 248 Prince George Co Thomas
Poythres
Y Clark, Joshua 9/28/1732 50 Isle of Wight Co Captain John Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) Y Green, Peter 9/28/1732 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 10/9/1732 250 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Parrum, Robert 3/22/1732 267 Surry County Robert Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 6/20/1733 400 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 1,024 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 297 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 381 Prince George Co
(c. 1683-1749) N Green, Peter 1/28/1733 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) Y Bland, Richard 2/28/1733 140 Isle of Wight Co Peter
Poythress
(c. 1674-<1763) N Hay, Richard 5/25/1734 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
(c. 1674-<1763) N Bridges, William 8/1/1734 425 Surry County Peter Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythress, Joshua 2/27/1734 382 Prince George Co William
Poythress
(1694-1763) Y Poythress, William, Gent.3/24/1734 400 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Poythres, Robert 6/17/1735 412 Surry County
(c. 1685-1740) Y Poythress, David/Robert 7/12/1735 600 Surry County John
Poythres
(1694-1763) N Moore, Samuel 9/10/1735 100 Prince George Co William Poythress
Y Poythress, Francis 1/10/1735 400 Brunswick County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Mayberry, George 1/10/1735 225 Surry County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1710-1760) Y Poythress, John, Gent. 3/17/1736 325 Brunswick County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Bland, Richard 4/19/1737 225 Surry County Peter Poythress
Y Cryer, William 1/2/1737 700 Prince George Co Joseph Poythress
Y Michell, John 2/9/1737 250 Prince George Co John Poythress
N Poythress, Francis, Gent. 8/1738 Prince George Co
N Poythress, Charles 9/12/1738 Prince George Co
N Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/12/1738 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Leath, Charles 3/26/1739 263 Surry County Joshua Poythress
Y Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/22/1739 3,887 Prince George Co
Y Poythress, Francis 9/22/1739 400 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Brantley, John 9/22/1739 350 Isle of Wight Co Mr. Peter
Poythress
(1690-1743) Y Poythress, Robert 9/22/1739 400 Amelia County
(c. 1685-1740) N Pettway, Edward 9/10/1740 235 Surry County David Poythress
Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 1,572 Prince George Co
Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 200 Prince George Co
Y Jackson, John 10/15/1741 4,440 Prince Geo./Amelia Joseph Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) Y Wainwright, George 10/15/1741 399 Prince George Co Thomas
Poythress
(1690-1743) N Poythress, William 3/15/1741 327 Prince George Co
(c. 1685-1740) N Avent, Thomas 4/21/1742 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
N Claiborne, Burnell 7/10/1745 150 Prince George Co Captain Francis
Poythress
(<1718-<1763) Y Poythress, Charles 8/20/1745 300
(c. 1720-1782) N Leath, John 8/20/1745 400 Surry County Joshua Poythress
N Stone, William 8/20/1745 700 Amelia County Poythress
Y Poythress, John, Jr. 9/20/1745 841 Prince George Co
Y Johnson, Going 7/25/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
Y Sanders, John 7/25/1746 400 Prince George Co William Poythress
Y Thomas, Edward 7/25/1746 168 Prince George Co Poythress
N Grigg, Abner 8/28/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
N Elder, William, Jr. 8/28/1746 280 Prince George Co Robert Poythress
Y Ornsby, John 8/28/1746 1,703 Prince George Co Poythress
Y Wagnon, John 9/25/1746 576 Prince George Co William Poythress
Elder, William 9/25/1746 400 William Poythress
N Ferguson, Robert 8/20/1747 840 Prince George Co Poytheross
N Wyatt, Francis 8/20/1747 200 Amelia County Poythress
Y Williams, Thomas 8/20/1748 1,510 Prince George Co Poythress
N Poythress, William 9/6/1748 447½ Henrico County
N Stone, Katherine 12/2/1748 200 Amelia County Robert Poythriss
N Brewer, Lenire 7/25/1749 150 Brunswick County John Poythress
Y Darvill, Buffington J. 9/5/1749 1,090 Prince George Co John Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Elder, John 9/5/1749 200 Prince George Co Charles Poythress
Y Wainwright, George 9/5/1749 1,000 Prince George Co Poythress
N Poythress, William 9/11/1749 450 Amelia County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Dancy, William 11/11/1749 325 Surry County Peter Poythress
N Boyd, Walter 4/20/1750 450 Amelia County William Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Poythress, Charles 5/29/1751 640 Granville County, NC
(1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 8/5/1751 324 Prince George Co William
Poythress
N Poythress, William 8/3/1752 531 Dinwiddie County
N Williams, John 4/18/1753 38 Dinwiddie County Wm./Edward Poythress
N Pettway, Edward 8/16/1756 143 Peter Poythress
N Draper, James 8/16/1756 149 Amelia County Wm./Joseph Poythress
Y Turner, Matthew 10/21/1756 100 Bertie County, NC William Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Clark, James 7/17/1758 Surry County Charles Poythress, Gent.
N Gordon, Samuel 8/14/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
N Dance, Thomas 11/17/1759 447½ Chesterfield Co William Poythress
N Baird, John 12/11/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
N Brodnax, William 1/13/1760 1 lot Prince George Co William Poythress
N Gordon, Samuel 2/7/1760 105 Prince George Co William Poythress
N West, Robert 9/26/1760 100 Dinwiddie County Poythress
N Cheek, Robert 11/27/1760 212 Granville County, NC Charles Bartholomew
N Hutchings, Robert 3/18/1761 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Hardy, John 3/18/1761 96 3/4 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Morton, Joseph 10/21/1761 160 Lunenburg County William Portress
N Williams, Robert 4/21/1762 200 Amelia County Poythress
N Hutchings, Robert 9/25/1762 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Williams, Robert 5/10/1763 200 Amelia County Poythress
(c. 1720-1782) N Parham, Abraham 5/19/1763 20 Sussex County Joshua Poythress
N Poythress, Peter 7/7/1763 178 Amelia County
N Claiborne, Leonard 7/7/1763 225 Dinwiddie County Poythress
(c. 1720-1782) N Wilkerson, William 11/26/1763 595 Sussex County Joshua
Poythress
N Parham, William 2/16/1764 198 Sussex County Poythress
N Cryer, William, Jr. 4/23/1764 570 Amelia County Joseph Poythress
(c. 1730-1787) N Holt, Dibdale 5/21/1764 200 Amelia County Peter Poythress
N Pettway, John 6/21/1764 200 Sussex County Peter Poythress
Y Thomas/Harper 6/5/1765 400 Dinwiddie County Francis Poythress
N Atkinson, Roger 9/9/1765 100 Lunenburg County Thomas Prosise
N Manire, William 5/18/1767 Amelia County Poythris
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/24/1767 50 Amelia County
N Harper, Joseph, Jr. 3/18/1768 170 Amelia County Poythress
N Wills, Elias 7/20/1768 204 Amelia County assignee of Fr. Poythress
N Walker, John 11/17/1768 200 Sussex County Poythress
N Poythress, John 2/21/1769 248 Lunenburg County
N Jackson, Robert 3/15/1769 730 Sussex County Peter Poythress
N Self, Jobe 4/17/1771 150 Bute County, NC Charles Bartholomew
(c. 1730-1787) N Bland, John 11/12/1771 128 Amelia County Peter Poythress
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 11/23/1771 6 Brunswick County
(c. 1730-1787) N Broadnax, William 1/29/1772 200 Sussex County Maj. Peter
Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Howell, Isaac 4/6/1772 644 Bute County, NC Charles Pouthress
(c. 1730-1787) N Darwell, Buffington 8/15/1772 32 Dinwiddie County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1729-<1801) Y Rives, William 5/13/1773 275 Brunswick County Thomas
Poythress
(c. 1729-<1801) Y Dawson, John 7/6/1773 525 Brunswick County Thomas
Poythress
(c.1726-1805) N Cogbill, Thomas 9/7/1773 161 Chesterfield County Tabitha
Randolph
(<1718-<1763) N Fitz, Henry 10/23/1773 322 Bute County, NC Charles
Poytheress
N Haskins, Christopher 3/24/1774 6 Brunswick County Peter Poythress
N Poythress, Peter 1/7/1775 198 Sussex County
(c. 1726-1805) N Randolph, John 5/31/1775 100 Chesterfield County Tabitha
Randolph
N Poythress, Peter 12/19/1776 133 Sussex County
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 5/29/1780 13 Dinwiddie County
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/20/1780 173 Prince George County
(c. 1729-<1801) N Poythress, Thomas 10/10/1781 584? Brunswick County
(c. 1760-c. 1845)Y Poythress, Meridith 9/22/1783 50 Brunswick County
N Poythress, Mary 10/11/1784 177 Sussex County
N Lewis, James 12/16/1784 100 Sussex County Mary Poythress
N Cureton, William 6/21/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
N Cureton, James 6/25/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
N 8/12/1787 120 Greene County, GA Francis Poythrys
N 8/1787 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
N Call, William, Jr. 9/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
N Sturdivant, Daniel 10/5/1787 100 Prince George Co Mary Poythress
N Mitchell, Reaps 12/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
(1751-1794) N Parham, Abraham, Jr. 1/17/1788 170 Sussex County Joshua
Poythress
N Mitchell, Reaps 8/18/1788 184 Sussex County William Poythress
N 3/10/1789 250 Greene County, GA Francis Poythryss
N Birchett, Robert 1/12/1790 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress, Jr., Gent.
(c. 1765-1810) N McConnice, Chris. 2/25/1790 1 lot Prince George Co Wm., s.
of Peter Poythress
N Peters, William 3/17/1790 296 Sussex County William Poythress
N Poythress, William, Jr. 5/13/1790 Pr. Geo. County executors of William
Green
N Poythress, William, Jr. 6/8/1790 296 Prince George Co
N Marks, Edward 6/8/1790 400 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. P., Jr.(Poythress Qtr.)
N Poythress, William 7/26/1790 Prince George County
N Peachey, William S. 10/2/1790 300 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress (Flowerdew
100)
N Poythress, Thomas 8/12/1791 85 Brunswick County
N Baird, John 8/15/1791 15 Prince George County Wm. Poythress, Jr.
N Mason, Winfield 2/12/1792 96 Sussex County Mary Poyther
N Cureton, James 5/9/1792 102 3/4 Prince George County William Poythress
N Poythress, William 5/9/1792 80½ Prince George County
N Cureton, William 6/7/1792 40 Sussex County William Poythress
N Poythress, William 12/5/1794 518 Prince George Co Chas. Duncan (Charteris)
Y Hicks, George 8/20/1795 85 Brunswick County Thomas Poythress
N Cureton, James 9/21/1798 1,033 Prince George County William Poythress
N Colley, Nathaniel 9/6/1800 212 Prince George County (Branchester)
N 12/4/1800 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Giles, John 1/13/1801 100 Mecklenburg County Lewis
Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/4/1801 104 Mecklenburg County
N 11/30/1801 100 Greene County, GA Poythress
N Poythress, (orphans) 5/8/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Thos. P. of Burke Co.
N Mattox, William 6/15/1809 200 Prince George Co Poythress
(c. 1782-1815) N Cleaton, Thomas 7/7/1809 50 Mecklenburg County Peter
Poythress
N Poythress, Elizabeth 11/10/1809 Wilkinson County, GA of Hancock Co.
N Poythress, (orphans) 11/20/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Fr. P. of Hancock Co.
N Epes, Peter 1/1811 Pr. Geo. Co Joshua, Wm., Thos. P.
(c. 1769->1817) N Dickson, John/Robt. 7/13/1812 Burke County, GA Edward
Poythress
(c. 1780-1824) N Epes, Peter 12/1812 Prince George County Patrick H.
Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/3/1813 33 Mecklenburg County
N Risque, James B. 11/14/1815 100 Chesterfield County Poythress (Bloomsbury)
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 4/20/1816 138 Mecklenburg County
(c. 1780->1830) N Poythress, Lilly 11/27/1820 160 Faulkner Co., Arkansas of
VA
(c. 1765-1832) N Poythress, George 5/8/1821 Georgia of Burke Co., GA
N Poythress, Meredith 12/9/1823 202½ Houston County, GA of Screven Co., GA
(c. 1785-1828) N Poythress, Cleaton 11/27/1824 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
Y Poytress, Littlebury H. 7/23/1825 150 Granville County, NC
N Poythress, James P. 6/21/1827 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
N Poythress, James P. 1/26/1829 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
12/05/2005 4:48:44
Michael Tutor
The tax lists are another tool to discover the individual and his or her
whereabouts. The dates of the individual's life span are my entries.
1782 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 1,250 Prince George
Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 3 lots in town of Blandford Prince George
(1,975+)
Col. Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) adj. Cryer, 324 Tommy
Hilton?, 404 = 1,728 Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
1783 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 1,250 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 400, 200 = 600 Prince George
Mary Poythress (-1788) 200 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 852, 184, 120 = 1,156 Prince George
1784 An account of the alterations of land property from May 1, 1783 to May
1, 1784 with the addition of the tax book of land not before taxed:
Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-c. 1797) 53 Brunswick
Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-c. 1797) 532 altered, the land being conveyed
to Jas. Phips(?) 50a and Wm. Warwick 482a which is charged to them.
Brunswick
Meredith Poythress (1758-1839) 50 from John Morris
1785 An account of the alterations and additions of the book, or list, for
the collection of the land tax:
Meredith Poythress (1758-1839) 50 Brunswick
1785 Alterations made by transfer of land, recorded by Peter Epes:
From To Acres
Edward Bland William Poythress 250
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) Simon Frazer 366
William Poythress (1753-1794) Robert Gilliam 852
1786 Land Taxes Acres - County
1786 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 100, 1,250, 10½, 1,000, 3 lots Blandford, 400,
226, 100 = 3,086½+ P. G.
1787 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 324, 404 = 1,728
Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress (-1788) 200 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 400, 200 = 600 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 184, 120, 800 = 1,104 Prince George
1788 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 324, 404 =
1,728 Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 184, 120, 850 = 1,154 Prince George
1789 Land Taxes Acres - County
Francis Poythress 100, 200 Greene County, Georgia
1789 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 324, 404 =
1,728 Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 184, 120, 850 = 1,154 Prince George
1790 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 100, 1,000, 400, 225, 100, 290 = 2,115
Prince George
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 850 Prince George In 1790, William Poythress
deeded to William S. Peachy the same 300 acres of Flowerdew Hundred,
previously mentioned, that John Hardyman had conveyed by deed of gift to the
first Joshua Poythress and had by the latter been devised to the second
Joshua, who had, in turn, devised the same to his son William, the present
grantor. William also owned a tract of 863 acres on Simmons Branch upon
which he had been living at the time he died. It is probable that the
youngest of the sons had reached legal age by that time.
1791 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 100, 1,000, 400, 225, 100 = 1,825
Prince George
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 324, 404 =
1,728 Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress (L. H.)? 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress 296 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 850 Prince George
1792 Land Taxes
Thomas Poythress 35 Brunswick
1792 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 324, 404 =
1,728 Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 750 Prince George
1793 Land Taxes
Francis Poythress 100 (adjoining L. P. Johnson) Greene County, Georgia,
Captain Whitefield's District
1793 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 404 = 1,404
Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 100 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 750 Prince George
1794 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress [estate] (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 404 = 1,404
Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 200 Prince George
Mary Poythress 293 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (1753-1794) 750 Prince George
1795 Land Taxes Acres - County
Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 110, 905, 400, 225, 100 = 1,740 Prince
George
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood), 404 = 1,404
Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
Francis Poythress 100 (conveyed by William Cross) Dinwiddie
1796 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress [estate] (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1751-1794) 404 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1797 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress (estate) (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1798 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress (estate) (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1799 Land Taxes Acres - County
Mary Poythress (estate) (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1751-1794) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
1800 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Mary Poythress (estate) (-1788) 200 Prince George
Joshua Poythress (estate) (1720-1782) 404, 200 = 604 Prince George
William Poythress (estate) (1753-1794) 750, 99 = 849 Prince George
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1801 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1802 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 999 Chesterfield
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1803 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
Dinwiddie Records, 1804 Dinwiddie Land Taxes. (illegible).
1805 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1806 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
1807 Land Taxes Acres - County
Col. Peter Poythress (estate) (1730-1787) 1,000 (Butterwood) Dinwiddie
Francis Poythress 100 Dinwiddie
Dinwiddie Records, 1808 Dinwiddie Land Taxes. (no report located).
Dinwiddie Records, 1809 Dinwiddie Land Taxes. (no report located).
Dinwiddie Records, 1810 Dinwiddie Land Taxes. (no report located).
1813 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie
1814 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie
1815 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie
1816 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie (taxed on Archer Coleman
live 94¾ acres).
1817 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie (taxed on Archer Coleman
live 94¾ acres).
1818 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 44¾ Dinwiddie (taxed on 44¾, 50 acres to
Charles Clay).
1819 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 44¾ Dinwiddie (taxed on 44¾, 50 acres to
Charles Clay).
1820 Land Taxes Acres - County
Patrick H. Poythress (c. 1780-1824) 94¾ Dinwiddie (improperly charged last
year).
12/05/2005 5:02:00
Re:
Barbara P. Neal
Michael, thank you so much for all your great work on the *very* helpful
listings of census, deeds, and land taxes. Fantastic.
Best regards,
Barbara (BPN)
12/05/2005 10:22:12
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12/08/2005 7:09:30
Re: Part 5
Pat
Thanks, Michael
I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not sent, Parts 2,3, and 4
Also in Part 5, you show
> Mecklenburg County
> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880 at age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found in Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a marriage license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850 Census as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA
" , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
" , James, age 8, male, born VA
" , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
" , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
" , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha Jane Poythress
" , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as "Portrass":
Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp., p. 356, June 30.
Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830 (widow of
William Poythress)
Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be Martha Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Part 5
>
> Virtual Census
>
> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T. 1st
> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
> Virginia
> Mecklenburg County
> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
> Henrico parish
> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
> North Carolina
> Warren County
> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
> Virginia
> Mecklenburg County
> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Virginia
> Henrico parish
> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
> Mecklenburg County
> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
> Georgia
> Troup County
> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
> Virginia
> Mecklenburg County
> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Virginia
> Brunswick County
> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
> Henrico parish
> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
> Georgia
> Burke County
> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1861-1865 Civil War
> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA (1830-1862), s.
> of James & Catherine
> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s. of
> James & Catherine
> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
> Hester
> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
> Meredith & Hester
> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of Meredith
> & Hester?
> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of Meredith
> & Susan
> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
> Meredith & Susan
> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA (1823-), s.
> of Joseph & Mary
> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of David &
> Mary
> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-), James A.
> Poythress, wife Martha A.
> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden Co.,
> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC Cav.(Ferguson's),
> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers SC
> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional Army),
> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Virginia
> Mecklenburg County
> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
> Petersburg
> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
> Brunswick County
> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. & Lucy
> J. Poythress
> Mecklenburg County
> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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12/09/2005 1:04:16
Part 1
Michael Tutor
I have not determined what the final format for the "virtual census will
take but it is taking quite a bit of time to build. In any event, below is
the initial work on the census. Some names are reported several times in the
same year. The reason that I have done this is due to the fact that
different records identify the person differently, i.e., Major Poythress,
Poythress of Martin's Brandon, Mr. Poythress, etc. I will go back when I
complete the initial census and try to determine, in the case of the
multiple Johns, Francises and Williams, which person is named in the
document. Of course, if it appears obvious, let me know what pattern you
see.
In 1718, there was a Francis, the Elder, which indicates that there were at
least three Francises in the area. In 1704, there were already at least two
Francises as indicated by a Francis, Sr.
In the virtual census, the present format gives the year, the location of
the individual's name and record, the individual's life span and the type
record. The records that I have in my database are surely not all of the
records in existence, but it allows an initial study of the family. I have
not completed all of the decades yet so there will be some gaps. As with
these endeavors, typographical errors and mistakes will probably exist.
The goal here is to identify the Poythresses living within the particular
decade and where they were living and working.
Virtual Census
England
1609 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) church record
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Virginia
James City
1632 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) court record
Charles City County
1637 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) deed
James City
1639 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
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Virginia
Lower Norfolk County
1642 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legal record
Charles City County
1644 Thomas Pawlett Will, mentioned Thomas Poythress
James City
1644 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
1646 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
1647 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
Charles City County
1648 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) deed
James City
1649 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
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Virginia
Northumberland County
1651 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legal record
Charles City County
1659 Thomas Poythress (c. 1641-) legal record
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Virginia
Charles City County
1661 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) deed
1665 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1665 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1669 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) legal record
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Virginia
Charles City County
1673 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1675 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) legal record
1675 Mary Poythress Wynne (c. 1618-aft. 1675) legal record
1676 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1675 Robert Wynne will
1677 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1677 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1678 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1679 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
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Virginia
Charles City County
1680 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1681 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1682 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1683 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1685 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
Henrico County
1686 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
Charles City County
1687 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1687 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) deed
1688 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1688 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1689 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1689 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, deceased, court record
1690 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) deed
1690 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, deceased, deed
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Virginia
Charles City County
1691 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711); Francis Poythress will
1691 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1692 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711) deed
1693 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1694 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1694 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
Surry County
1699 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) deed
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Virginia
Charles City County
1701 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), Sr., of Deep Bottom, deed
1702 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), militia officer, legal record
1702 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), militia officer, legal record
1702 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), militia officer, legal record
1702 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), Captain, deed
1702 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) legislative record
1703 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legislative record
1703 Joshua Poythress (1661-1715), Major, legislative record
1703 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed, mentioned Charles Bartholomew
1704 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Prince George County
1704 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed
1704 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) tax record
1704 Francis Poythress, Sr. ( - ) tax record
1704 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1681-1724) tax record
Charles City County
1705 Joshua Poythress (1661-1715) Will of William Byrd
1705 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Surry County
1705 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Gentleman, of Prince George County, deed, and
wife, Mary
1705 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), deed, and daughter, Mary Melone, and son,
Robert Wynne
1705 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Charles City County
1707 John Poythress, Sr., Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726)
1707 Joshua Wynne, (1661-1715) legislative record
Surry County
1708 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Major, deed, and wife, Mary
1708 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legal record
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), tax record
Prince George County
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
Surry County
1709 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) tax record
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Charles City County
1711 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
Prince George County
1711 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1660-aft. 1711) deed
1711 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1679-aft. 1736) deed
1711 Anne Bartholomew (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1712 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
1712 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
1712 Francis Poythress, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1712 Thomas Poythress, of Westover parish (c. 1683-1749) deed
1712 John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County (c. 1639-1712) Will,
mentions wife, Christian, children, John, Peter, Francis, David, Joshua,
Robert, William, Elizabeth, Christian, Mary Woodlief, grandson, Francis,
brothers, Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne.
1713 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) legislative record
1713 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Surry County
1713 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1713 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717 court record
Prince George County
1714 John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1714 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1714 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1715 Francis Poythress ( - ), of Westover parish, deed
1715 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1715 Robert Poythress (1690-1743)
1715 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
Surry County
1715 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749), of Prince George County, deed
Isle of Wight County
1715 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
Prince George County
1716 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1716 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1716 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1716 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) court record
1717 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1763) court record
1717 Robert Poythress (1690-1743), of Westover parish, deed
1717 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
Surry County
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
1717 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740), Dinkins' Will
Prince George County
1718 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), of Prince George County, deed
1718 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1718 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ), deed
1718 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1719 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726), court record
1719 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), court record
1719 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1719 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1719 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), court record
1720 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1720 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1720 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1720 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1720 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), of Prince George County, and
wife, Mary, deed
1720 John Poythress, attorney ( - ) Byrd's diary
1720 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1720 John Poythress, Jr., of Westover parish (c. 1681-1724) deed
1720 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
1720 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1720 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), of Martin's Brandon, deed
1720 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) survey
1720 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) survey
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Virginia
Prince George County
1721 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1721 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
1721 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), and wife, Mary, deed
1721 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1721 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1721 Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
1721 Anne Bartholomew Green (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1721 Francis Poythress, of Surry County ( - ) deed
1721 John Poythress (c. 1681-1725) deed
1721 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1722 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1722 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1722 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) survey
1722 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1726) deed
1723 John Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1681-1724) deed in Isle of
Wight County
1723 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
1723 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1723 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1726) deed
Surry County
1723 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
Virginia
Prince George County
1724 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1681-1724), and wife, Mary,
Will
1724 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) brother's Will
1724 John Poythress (c. 1710-) father's Will
1724 Francis Poythress (c. 1713-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress (c. 1720-) father's Will
1724 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Will
1724 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Will
1724 Anne Poythress (c. 1724-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1724 Francis Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1724 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1724 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749)
1724 H. Poythress ( - ) John Hamlin's Will
1725 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) deed
1725 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1725 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1726 John Poythress, burgess (c. 1672-aft. 1726) civil record
1726 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1726 John Poythress, Captain, of Martin's Brandon, deceased (c. 1681-1724),
and wife, Mary, Inventory
1726 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Inventory
1726 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Inventory
1726 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Inventory
1726 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Bristol parish
1726 Anne Isham Poythress (1726-1790) birth record
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) daughter's birth record
1726 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
Prince George County
1727 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741) deed
1727 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) deed
1727 Mary Poythress (c. 1676-1760), wife of John Poythress, brother's Will
1727 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) Henry Batte's Will
1727 John Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County (c. 1672-aft. 1726)
deed
1727 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1727 Francis Poythress, Jr., ( - ) deed
1727 William Poythress (1727-bef. 1769) birth record
1727 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) son's birth record
Bristol parish
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1728 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1728 Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1728 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Henrico County
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ), grandson, Will of John Worsham
1729 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Surry County
1729 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
Bristol parish
1729 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1729 Elizabeth Poythress (1729-) birth record
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1729 Hannah Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1730 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
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Virginia
Prince George County
1731 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Bristol parish
1731 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1731-) birth record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1732 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1732 Joshua Poythress, merchant, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741) deed
1732 William Poythress (1694-1763) business record
Bristol parish
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Brunswick County
1733 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1733 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749) deed
1733 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
Bristol parish
1733 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1733 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1733 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Surry County
1734 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1734 Robert Wynne, of Southwark, Surry County (c. 1685-1754) deed
1734 Thomas Wynne (c. 1680-)
Bristol parish
1734 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1734 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County, gentleman (c. 1688-1741)
deed
1734 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) deed, near Sapponi Chapel
Bristol parish
1735 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1735 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1735 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1735 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
1735 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1735 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
Brunswick County
1735 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Bristol parish
1736 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Amelia County
1736 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1736 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
Henrico County
1736 Francis Poythress, Major ( - ) tax record
Brunswick County
1736 John Poythress, gentleman (c. 1710-)
Bristol parish
1737 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1737 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) legal record
1737 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
1737 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1737 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1737 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1737 Lewis Green (c. 1680-), husband of Frances Gilliam, deed
1737 Peter Wynne ( - ), son of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson, grandson of
Joshua Wynne
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1737 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1737 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1738 William Poythress (1694-1763), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), justice of the peace, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman, collection of tithables
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1738 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1738 Martha Poythress (1718-1751)? court record
1738 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-), gentleman, court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal record
1738 William Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal record
Bristol parish
1738 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1738 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
1739 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1739 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Chesterfield County
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) marriage record
Prince George County
1739 Francis Poythress, gentleman ( - ) tithables collecting
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) Will of Daniel Eelbank
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710) court record
1739 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1739 George Poythress (c. 1718-) court record
1739 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) court record
1739 William Poythress, gentleman justice (1694-1763) court record
1739 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) Will
Amelia County
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710) deed
1739 Peter Wynne, s. of Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
Isle of Wight
1739 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1763)
Brunswick County
1739 Anne Poythress (c. 1721-) Robert Hicks' Will
Prince George County
1740 David Poythress, deceased, late of Bristol parish (c. 1685-1740) letter
of administration
1740 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) letter of administration
1740 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) letter of administration
1740 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1740) Will
1740 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) cousin's Will
1740 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Will
Bristol parish
1740 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Brunswick County
1740 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1740 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1740 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
Surry County
1740 David Poythress, deceased (c. 1685-1740)
12/09/2005 4:19:38
Part 5
Michael Tutor
Virtual Census
Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T. 1st
Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
Virginia
Mecklenburg County
1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
Henrico parish
1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
North Carolina
Warren County
1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
Virginia
Mecklenburg County
1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
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Virginia
Henrico parish
1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
Mecklenburg County
1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
Georgia
Troup County
1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
Virginia
Mecklenburg County
1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
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Virginia
Brunswick County
1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
Henrico parish
1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
Georgia
Burke County
John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
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1861-1865 Civil War
Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA (1830-1862), s.
of James & Catherine
Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s. of
James & Catherine
John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
Hester
Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
Meredith & Hester
William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of Meredith
& Hester?
John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of Meredith
& Susan
Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
Meredith & Susan
John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA (1823-), s.
of Joseph & Mary
James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of David &
Mary
J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-), James A.
Poythress, wife Martha A.
A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden Co.,
FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC Cav.(Ferguson's),
17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers SC
(Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional Army),
CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
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Virginia
Mecklenburg County
1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
Petersburg
1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
Brunswick County
1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. & Lucy
J. Poythress
Mecklenburg County
1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
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12/09/2005 4:25:24
Re: Part 5
Michael Tutor
Pat,
I sent parts 1, 3, 5.....and I have sent part 3 twice more. I sent five
different e-mails the other day but only three showed up on the board. Not
sure what the problem is......Mike
Martha Jane Poythress, dau. of David & Mary, married John Tucker 10/16/1848.
Hopefully, if we keep digging into the records, we will help tie up loose
ends with William & Julia..........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Part 5
> Thanks, Michael
>
> I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not sent,
> Parts 2,3, and 4
>
>
> Also in Part 5, you show
> > Mecklenburg County
> > 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>
> The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage
> certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880 at
> age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found in
> Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a marriage
> license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as
> William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage
> license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
>
>
> My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850 Census
> as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are
> also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
> Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born
> VA
>
> " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
>
> " , James, age 8, male, born VA
>
> " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
>
> " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
>
> " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha
> Jane Poythress
>
> " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
>
> Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
>
>
>
> In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as
> "Portrass":
>
> Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp., p.
> 356, June 30.
> Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830
> (widow of
> William Poythress)
> Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
> Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be Martha
> Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
>
>
>
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Tutor"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
> Subject: Part 5
>
>
>>
>> Virtual Census
>>
>> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
>> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
>> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
>> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T.
>> 1st
>> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
>> Virginia
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
>> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
>> Henrico parish
>> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
>> North Carolina
>> Warren County
>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
>> Virginia
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Virginia
>> Henrico parish
>> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
>> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
>> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
>> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>> Georgia
>> Troup County
>> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
>> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
>> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
>> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
>> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
>> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
>> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
>> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
>> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
>> Virginia
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
>> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
>> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Virginia
>> Brunswick County
>> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
>> Henrico parish
>> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
>> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
>> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
>> Georgia
>> Burke County
>> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1861-1865 Civil War
>> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA (1830-1862),
>> s.
>> of James & Catherine
>> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s.
>> of
>> James & Catherine
>> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
>> Hester
>> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
>> Meredith & Hester
>> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of
>> Meredith
>> & Hester?
>> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of
>> Meredith
>> & Susan
>> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
>> Meredith & Susan
>> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
>> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA (1823-),
>> s.
>> of Joseph & Mary
>> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of David
>> &
>> Mary
>> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-), James
>> A.
>> Poythress, wife Martha A.
>> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
>> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden Co.,
>> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
>> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC
>> Cav.(Ferguson's),
>> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers SC
>> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
>> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
>> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional
>> Army),
>> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Virginia
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
>> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>> Petersburg
>> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
>> Brunswick County
>> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. &
>> Lucy
>> J. Poythress
>> Mecklenburg County
>> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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12/09/2005 5:03:04
Thomas Portis 1719 North Carolina
Crystal
Colonial Records of North Carolina
Vol II--1713-1728
pg 363
July 31, 1719
Indictments:
"John Wyer for taking away the wife of Thomas Portis and keeping Company with her".
12/10/2005 1:04:32
Sussanah Poythress Pryor, early ky land grants
katherine russell
I''m about 1/3 of the way through "Warrants for land in Kentucky, Earliest Survey of Land in KY
Looking for a possible husband for Susannah Poythress Pryor (1799 Jessamine co KY tax list), sister of Francis.
warrant no. 955 John Pryor Sold, (Capt. Preston's) (I think it means he was one of capt. preston Rangers). 1784
It doesn't have a description of the land.
David Hudson....Sold (2nd va) 1783
Thomas Swearingen....500 acres Mar.24, 1784 by Van Swearingen, Fayette co,on N fork of licking
James Phillipa, ....by Van Swearengenton n fork of licking assd to Thomas Swearingen
Thomas Rowland 500 apr 7 1784 by Nath'l Massie, Fayette, co on main s fork of licking on s.s. John Townsdel line, william Wood line.
Here's the Ingles I think who's wife was captured by Indians etc.
William Inglis, Lieut, 2000, July 18 1774 by Jno Floyd, Fincastle co on waters of elk horn ss thereof about 20 miles from KY, river John Draper's line. Just a guess this in the Ingles of Drapers meadow. My grandfather was an Ingles and may be part of this line from a surviving son. It's been years since I read this story, so I might be remembering it wrong. Plus it took place around Roanoke VA.
12/10/2005 1:24:08
Peachy 1766
katherine russell
I have never heard of the Peachy family befor reading some of the postings on the Poythress-L site, but I did find a land grant from a 1766 will. If anyone is interested I can post it.
Katherine Russell
12/10/2005 1:46:32
wm Peachy 1766
katherine russell
Early KY land survery's
Bundle 103B
Hancock Eustace, (rank) Captain (acers surveyed) 1000, June 1, 1774 By Hancock Taylor, Fincastle co, on the Ohio, abt 3 miles above th Falls: cor. Hugh Mercer, cor William Peachy; Copy of Will dated May 28, 1766; probated Northumberland co Oct 9, 1775, devising to wife Isabella, copy of will of Isabella Eustace, date May 15, 1778; probated Williamsburg, Nov 6, 1779; devising to Nancy Eustace, reputed daughter of my said late husband; abd to my cousin John Blair, certificate July 22, 1785, of Joseph and Samuel Blackwell, that Nancy Eustace marries in 1780 to Wm Jones.
Looks like Isabella Eustace's will.
I've looked into this Samuel Blackwell line a few years ago. Peachy name is in a lot of these land survey's.
Katherine Russell
12/10/2005 1:59:01
Re: Re: Part 5
Michael, I never received part 3.
Thanks,
Judy Speed Scruggs
>
> From: "Michael Tutor"
> Date: 2005/12/10 Sat AM 12:03:04 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Part 5
>
> Pat,
>
> I sent parts 1, 3, 5.....and I have sent part 3 twice more. I sent five
> different e-mails the other day but only three showed up on the board. Not
> sure what the problem is......Mike
>
> Martha Jane Poythress, dau. of David & Mary, married John Tucker 10/16/1848.
>
> Hopefully, if we keep digging into the records, we will help tie up loose
> ends with William & Julia..........Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Part 5
>
>
> > Thanks, Michael
> >
> > I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not sent,
> > Parts 2,3, and 4
> >
> >
> > Also in Part 5, you show
> > > Mecklenburg County
> > > 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
> >
> > The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage
> > certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880 at
> > age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found in
> > Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a marriage
> > license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as
> > William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage
> > license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
> >
> >
> > My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850 Census
> > as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are
> > also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
> > Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born
> > VA
> >
> > " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
> >
> > " , James, age 8, male, born VA
> >
> > " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
> >
> > " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
> >
> > " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha
> > Jane Poythress
> >
> > " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
> >
> > Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
> >
> >
> >
> > In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as
> > "Portrass":
> >
> > Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp., p.
> > 356, June 30.
> > Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830
> > (widow of
> > William Poythress)
> > Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
> > Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be Martha
> > Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Tutor"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
> > Subject: Part 5
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Virtual Census
> >>
> >> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
> >> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
> >> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
> >> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T.
> >> 1st
> >> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
> >> Virginia
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
> >> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> >> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
> >> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> >> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
> >> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
> >> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
> >> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
> >> Henrico parish
> >> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
> >> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
> >> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
> >> North Carolina
> >> Warren County
> >> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
> >> Virginia
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
> >> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Virginia
> >> Henrico parish
> >> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
> >> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
> >> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
> >> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
> >> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
> >> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
> >> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
> >> Georgia
> >> Troup County
> >> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
> >> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
> >> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
> >> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
> >> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
> >> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
> >> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
> >> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
> >> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
> >> Virginia
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
> >> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
> >> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Virginia
> >> Brunswick County
> >> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
> >> Henrico parish
> >> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
> >> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
> >> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
> >> Georgia
> >> Burke County
> >> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> 1861-1865 Civil War
> >> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA (1830-1862),
> >> s.
> >> of James & Catherine
> >> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s.
> >> of
> >> James & Catherine
> >> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
> >> Hester
> >> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
> >> Meredith & Hester
> >> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of
> >> Meredith
> >> & Hester?
> >> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of
> >> Meredith
> >> & Susan
> >> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
> >> Meredith & Susan
> >> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
> >> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA (1823-),
> >> s.
> >> of Joseph & Mary
> >> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of David
> >> &
> >> Mary
> >> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-), James
> >> A.
> >> Poythress, wife Martha A.
> >> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
> >> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden Co.,
> >> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
> >> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC
> >> Cav.(Ferguson's),
> >> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers SC
> >> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
> >> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
> >> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
> >> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional
> >> Army),
> >> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Virginia
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
> >> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
> >> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
> >> Petersburg
> >> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
> >> Brunswick County
> >> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. &
> >> Lucy
> >> J. Poythress
> >> Mecklenburg County
> >> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
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12/10/2005 3:27:07
Re: Question on Part 2,3,4
Michael Tutor
These are the deeds that I posted. I will try to post parts 2 and 4 in the
near future....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Question on Part 2,3,4
> Michael, do you consider this Part 2 or 4? Or do you consider it
> separate from the 5 Parts?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Tutor"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:48 AM
>
>
>> The following list includes every listed deed that I have seen mentioning
>> a Poythress: Transferring from one format to another always changes the
>> format in which I originally put the list together. The list is
>> chronological, with the life span of the individual Poythress, Y/N to
>> indicate whether the full document is available, the seller of the
>> property, the date of sale, the number of acres, and if the seller was
>> not a Poythress, the name of the Poythress that was mentioned. This list
>> adds another dimension to identifying the existence of different
>> individuals and where they were involved in transactions.
>>
>> The identifying life span with the individual in the entry is my
>> identification of the individual. These will be looked at more closely as
>> the different lists are completed and compared to the existing records.
>> The number of Francis, William and John Poythresses make it neccesary to
>> evaluate the life events of each individual to discover the particular
>> individual in each record.
>>
>> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythers, Francis 7/13/1637 400 Charles City Co
>> (1609-c. 1651) N Woodliffe, John 7/25/1638 200 Charles City Co Francis
>> Poythres
>> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythres, Francis, Captain 5/8/1648 750 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 4/1661 50 Charles City Co Captain Francis
>> Poythres
>> (c. 1639-1688) N Poythres, Francis 6/3/1665 450 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Edmonds/Williams 4/20/1680 888 Charles City Co Major
>> Poytries
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytres, Francis 9/28/1681 609 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytries, Francis, Major 4/20/1682 750 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hill, Edward, Colonel 11/20/1683 980½ Charles City Co
>> Francis Poytheris
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytheres, Francis 11/20/1683 1,250 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Goodrich, Charles 4/20/1687 550 Charles City Co Major
>> Poytheres
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumfort, James 4/20/1689 50 Charles City Co Major
>> Francis Poythress
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Tapley, Adam 4/21/1690 1,078 Charles City Co Major
>> Poythres
>> (c. 1660->1711) Y Poythres, Rebecca 4/29/1692 1,000 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 9/20/1699 350 Surry County
>> (c. 1640-1712) Y Poythris, John 10/24/1701 350 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 10/23/1703 609 Charles City Co
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumford, Robert 4/26/1704 50 Charles City Co Major
>> Francis Poythress
>> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythress, John 12/11/1704 200 Prince George Co Francis
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hamlin, John 5/2/1705 550 Charles City Co Major
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1639-1688) Y Bland, Richard 11/2/1705 1,254 Mr. Francis Poythress
>> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 6/22/1708 600 Pr. Geo./Surry Co
>> (c. 1660->1711) N Bartholomew, Anne 9/10/1711 200 Prince George Co
>> Rebecca Poythress
>> (c. 1660->1711) N Poythress, Rebecca 9/10/1711 300 Prince George Co
>> Rebecca Poythress
>> N Bland, Richard 3/3/1711 430 Prince George Co Mr. Francis Poythres
>> (c. 1683-1749) N Poythress, Thomas 12/9/1712 100 Pr. Geo. Co Fr. Poythres
>> of Westover
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 5/12/1713 100 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr. 6/8/1714 50 Prince George Co of
>> Weyanoke
>> N Grammar, Peter 7/12/1715 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythres
>> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 3/23/1715 100 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
>> Geo. Co.
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythres, Thomas 3/23/1715 180 Surry County
>> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 5/9/1717 500 Surry County
>> (c. 1672->1726) Y Poythres, John 7/15/1717 267 Surry County of Pr. Geo.
>> Co.
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 2/10/1717 200 Prince George Co
>> N Pace, Richard 11/11/1717 Prince Geo. Co Fr. Poythress, the Elder
>> N Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
>> Y Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 400 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
>> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr., et al 9/4/1720 1,200 Prince George
>> Co
>> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythres, John, Jr. 11/8/1720 150 Prince Geo. Co Fr.
>> Poythres, the Elder
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythress, Peter 2/14/1720 92 Surry County
>> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 4/4/1721 100 Prince George Co Joshua
>> Poythres
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 9/11/1721 40 Prince George Co
>> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 9/12/1721 100/267 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 10/4/1721 100 Prince George Co
>> N Poythres, Francis 12/11/1721 200 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Poythres, Peter 12/11/1721 200 Prince Geo. Co John, s.
>> of Fr. Poythres
>> (c. 1688-1741) Y Poythres, Joshua 6/22/1722 333 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Golitely, John 2/18/1722 100 Isle of Wight Co Peter
>> Poythres
>> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythres, David 9/5/1723 250 Surry County
>> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythres, John 9/5/1723 200 Isle of Wight Co of Pr. Geo.
>> Co.
>> (c. 1685-1740) Y Robbords, John 9/5/1723 235 David Poythress
>> (c. 1672->1726) N Ivie, Adam 12/16/1723 130 Pr. Geo. Co Capt. John/Mr.
>> Peter Poythress
>> Y Poythris, Francis, Captain 7/9/1724 387 Prince George Co
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 7/9/1724 206 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 2/22/1724 248 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 7/9/1725 300 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 7/11/1725 2 Prince George Co
>> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 7/11/1725 100 Prince George Co Joshua
>> Poythres
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 7/12/1725 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1674->1726) Y Poythres, John, Capt. 10/13/1727 275 Brunswick County
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythriss, William 10/13/1727 343 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 3/11/1727 400 Prince George Co
>> Y Poythris, Francis, Jr. 9/28/1728 200 Prince George Co
>> (1690-1743) Y Poythris, Robert 9/28/1728 291 Prince George Co
>> (1690-1743) Y Glover, Robert 9/28/1728 297 Prince George Co Robert
>> Poythris
>> (1694-1763) N Poythress, William 5/2/1729 2,000 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Parham, Abraham 9/28/1730 150 Surry County Joshua
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1683-1749) N Eldings/Leath 8/25/1731 248 Prince George Co Thomas
>> Poythres
>> Y Clark, Joshua 9/28/1732 50 Isle of Wight Co Captain John Poythres
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Green, Peter 9/28/1732 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 10/9/1732 250 Prince George Co
>> (1690-1743) Y Parrum, Robert 3/22/1732 267 Surry County Robert Poythres
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 6/20/1733 400 Prince George Co
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 1,024 Prince George Co
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 297 Prince George Co
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 381 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1683-1749) N Green, Peter 1/28/1733 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
>> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Bland, Richard 2/28/1733 140 Isle of Wight Co Peter
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Hay, Richard 5/25/1734 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bridges, William 8/1/1734 425 Surry County Peter
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythress, Joshua 2/27/1734 382 Prince George Co William
>> Poythress
>> (1694-1763) Y Poythress, William, Gent.3/24/1734 400 Prince George Co
>> (1690-1743) Y Poythres, Robert 6/17/1735 412 Surry County
>> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythress, David/Robert 7/12/1735 600 Surry County John
>> Poythres
>> (1694-1763) N Moore, Samuel 9/10/1735 100 Prince George Co William
>> Poythress
>> Y Poythress, Francis 1/10/1735 400 Brunswick County
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Mayberry, George 1/10/1735 225 Surry County Peter
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1710-1760) Y Poythress, John, Gent. 3/17/1736 325 Brunswick County
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bland, Richard 4/19/1737 225 Surry County Peter
>> Poythress
>> Y Cryer, William 1/2/1737 700 Prince George Co Joseph Poythress
>> Y Michell, John 2/9/1737 250 Prince George Co John Poythress
>> N Poythress, Francis, Gent. 8/1738 Prince George Co
>> N Poythress, Charles 9/12/1738 Prince George Co
>> N Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/12/1738 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1688-1741) N Leath, Charles 3/26/1739 263 Surry County Joshua
>> Poythress
>> Y Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/22/1739 3,887 Prince George Co
>> Y Poythress, Francis 9/22/1739 400 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Brantley, John 9/22/1739 350 Isle of Wight Co Mr. Peter
>> Poythress
>> (1690-1743) Y Poythress, Robert 9/22/1739 400 Amelia County
>> (c. 1685-1740) N Pettway, Edward 9/10/1740 235 Surry County David
>> Poythress
>> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 1,572 Prince George Co
>> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 200 Prince George Co
>> Y Jackson, John 10/15/1741 4,440 Prince Geo./Amelia Joseph Poythress
>> (c. 1683-1749) Y Wainwright, George 10/15/1741 399 Prince George Co
>> Thomas Poythress
>> (1690-1743) N Poythress, William 3/15/1741 327 Prince George Co
>> (c. 1685-1740) N Avent, Thomas 4/21/1742 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
>> N Claiborne, Burnell 7/10/1745 150 Prince George Co Captain Francis
>> Poythress
>> (<1718-<1763) Y Poythress, Charles 8/20/1745 300
>> (c. 1720-1782) N Leath, John 8/20/1745 400 Surry County Joshua Poythress
>> N Stone, William 8/20/1745 700 Amelia County Poythress
>> Y Poythress, John, Jr. 9/20/1745 841 Prince George Co
>> Y Johnson, Going 7/25/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
>> Y Sanders, John 7/25/1746 400 Prince George Co William Poythress
>> Y Thomas, Edward 7/25/1746 168 Prince George Co Poythress
>> N Grigg, Abner 8/28/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
>> N Elder, William, Jr. 8/28/1746 280 Prince George Co Robert Poythress
>> Y Ornsby, John 8/28/1746 1,703 Prince George Co Poythress
>> Y Wagnon, John 9/25/1746 576 Prince George Co William Poythress
>> Elder, William 9/25/1746 400 William Poythress
>> N Ferguson, Robert 8/20/1747 840 Prince George Co Poytheross
>> N Wyatt, Francis 8/20/1747 200 Amelia County Poythress
>> Y Williams, Thomas 8/20/1748 1,510 Prince George Co Poythress
>> N Poythress, William 9/6/1748 447½ Henrico County
>> N Stone, Katherine 12/2/1748 200 Amelia County Robert Poythriss
>> N Brewer, Lenire 7/25/1749 150 Brunswick County John Poythress
>> Y Darvill, Buffington J. 9/5/1749 1,090 Prince George Co John Poythress
>> (<1718-<1763) N Elder, John 9/5/1749 200 Prince George Co Charles
>> Poythress
>> Y Wainwright, George 9/5/1749 1,000 Prince George Co Poythress
>> N Poythress, William 9/11/1749 450 Amelia County
>> (c. 1674-<1763) N Dancy, William 11/11/1749 325 Surry County Peter
>> Poythress
>> N Boyd, Walter 4/20/1750 450 Amelia County William Poythress
>> (<1718-<1763) N Poythress, Charles 5/29/1751 640 Granville County, NC
>> (1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 8/5/1751 324 Prince George Co William
>> Poythress
>> N Poythress, William 8/3/1752 531 Dinwiddie County
>> N Williams, John 4/18/1753 38 Dinwiddie County Wm./Edward Poythress
>> N Pettway, Edward 8/16/1756 143 Peter Poythress
>> N Draper, James 8/16/1756 149 Amelia County Wm./Joseph Poythress
>> Y Turner, Matthew 10/21/1756 100 Bertie County, NC William Poythress
>> (<1718-<1763) N Clark, James 7/17/1758 Surry County Charles Poythress,
>> Gent.
>> N Gordon, Samuel 8/14/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
>> N Dance, Thomas 11/17/1759 447½ Chesterfield Co William Poythress
>> N Baird, John 12/11/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
>> N Brodnax, William 1/13/1760 1 lot Prince George Co William Poythress
>> N Gordon, Samuel 2/7/1760 105 Prince George Co William Poythress
>> N West, Robert 9/26/1760 100 Dinwiddie County Poythress
>> N Cheek, Robert 11/27/1760 212 Granville County, NC Charles Bartholomew
>> N Hutchings, Robert 3/18/1761 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
>> N Hardy, John 3/18/1761 96 3/4 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
>> N Morton, Joseph 10/21/1761 160 Lunenburg County William Portress
>> N Williams, Robert 4/21/1762 200 Amelia County Poythress
>> N Hutchings, Robert 9/25/1762 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
>> N Williams, Robert 5/10/1763 200 Amelia County Poythress
>> (c. 1720-1782) N Parham, Abraham 5/19/1763 20 Sussex County Joshua
>> Poythress
>> N Poythress, Peter 7/7/1763 178 Amelia County
>> N Claiborne, Leonard 7/7/1763 225 Dinwiddie County Poythress
>> (c. 1720-1782) N Wilkerson, William 11/26/1763 595 Sussex County Joshua
>> Poythress
>> N Parham, William 2/16/1764 198 Sussex County Poythress
>> N Cryer, William, Jr. 4/23/1764 570 Amelia County Joseph Poythress
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Holt, Dibdale 5/21/1764 200 Amelia County Peter
>> Poythress
>> N Pettway, John 6/21/1764 200 Sussex County Peter Poythress
>> Y Thomas/Harper 6/5/1765 400 Dinwiddie County Francis Poythress
>> N Atkinson, Roger 9/9/1765 100 Lunenburg County Thomas Prosise
>> N Manire, William 5/18/1767 Amelia County Poythris
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/24/1767 50 Amelia County
>> N Harper, Joseph, Jr. 3/18/1768 170 Amelia County Poythress
>> N Wills, Elias 7/20/1768 204 Amelia County assignee of Fr. Poythress
>> N Walker, John 11/17/1768 200 Sussex County Poythress
>> N Poythress, John 2/21/1769 248 Lunenburg County
>> N Jackson, Robert 3/15/1769 730 Sussex County Peter Poythress
>> N Self, Jobe 4/17/1771 150 Bute County, NC Charles Bartholomew
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Bland, John 11/12/1771 128 Amelia County Peter Poythress
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 11/23/1771 6 Brunswick County
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Broadnax, William 1/29/1772 200 Sussex County Maj. Peter
>> Poythress
>> (<1718-<1763) N Howell, Isaac 4/6/1772 644 Bute County, NC Charles
>> Pouthress
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Darwell, Buffington 8/15/1772 32 Dinwiddie County Peter
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Rives, William 5/13/1773 275 Brunswick County Thomas
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Dawson, John 7/6/1773 525 Brunswick County Thomas
>> Poythress
>> (c.1726-1805) N Cogbill, Thomas 9/7/1773 161 Chesterfield County Tabitha
>> Randolph
>> (<1718-<1763) N Fitz, Henry 10/23/1773 322 Bute County, NC Charles
>> Poytheress
>> N Haskins, Christopher 3/24/1774 6 Brunswick County Peter Poythress
>> N Poythress, Peter 1/7/1775 198 Sussex County
>> (c. 1726-1805) N Randolph, John 5/31/1775 100 Chesterfield County Tabitha
>> Randolph
>> N Poythress, Peter 12/19/1776 133 Sussex County
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 5/29/1780 13 Dinwiddie County
>> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/20/1780 173 Prince George County
>> (c. 1729-<1801) N Poythress, Thomas 10/10/1781 584? Brunswick County
>> (c. 1760-c. 1845)Y Poythress, Meridith 9/22/1783 50 Brunswick County
>> N Poythress, Mary 10/11/1784 177 Sussex County
>> N Lewis, James 12/16/1784 100 Sussex County Mary Poythress
>> N Cureton, William 6/21/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
>> N Cureton, James 6/25/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
>> N 8/12/1787 120 Greene County, GA Francis Poythrys
>> N 8/1787 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
>> N Call, William, Jr. 9/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
>> N Sturdivant, Daniel 10/5/1787 100 Prince George Co Mary Poythress
>> N Mitchell, Reaps 12/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
>> (1751-1794) N Parham, Abraham, Jr. 1/17/1788 170 Sussex County Joshua
>> Poythress
>> N Mitchell, Reaps 8/18/1788 184 Sussex County William Poythress
>> N 3/10/1789 250 Greene County, GA Francis Poythryss
>> N Birchett, Robert 1/12/1790 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress, Jr., Gent.
>> (c. 1765-1810) N McConnice, Chris. 2/25/1790 1 lot Prince George Co Wm.,
>> s. of Peter Poythress
>> N Peters, William 3/17/1790 296 Sussex County William Poythress
>> N Poythress, William, Jr. 5/13/1790 Pr. Geo. County executors of William
>> Green
>> N Poythress, William, Jr. 6/8/1790 296 Prince George Co
>> N Marks, Edward 6/8/1790 400 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. P., Jr.(Poythress Qtr.)
>> N Poythress, William 7/26/1790 Prince George County
>> N Peachey, William S. 10/2/1790 300 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress (Flowerdew
>> 100)
>> N Poythress, Thomas 8/12/1791 85 Brunswick County
>> N Baird, John 8/15/1791 15 Prince George County Wm. Poythress, Jr.
>> N Mason, Winfield 2/12/1792 96 Sussex County Mary Poyther
>> N Cureton, James 5/9/1792 102 3/4 Prince George County William Poythress
>> N Poythress, William 5/9/1792 80½ Prince George County
>> N Cureton, William 6/7/1792 40 Sussex County William Poythress
>> N Poythress, William 12/5/1794 518 Prince George Co Chas. Duncan
>> (Charteris)
>> Y Hicks, George 8/20/1795 85 Brunswick County Thomas Poythress
>> N Cureton, James 9/21/1798 1,033 Prince George County William Poythress
>> N Colley, Nathaniel 9/6/1800 212 Prince George County (Branchester)
>> N 12/4/1800 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
>> (c. 1770-<1850) N Giles, John 1/13/1801 100 Mecklenburg County Lewis
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/4/1801 104 Mecklenburg County
>> N 11/30/1801 100 Greene County, GA Poythress
>> N Poythress, (orphans) 5/8/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Thos. P. of Burke Co.
>> N Mattox, William 6/15/1809 200 Prince George Co Poythress
>> (c. 1782-1815) N Cleaton, Thomas 7/7/1809 50 Mecklenburg County Peter
>> Poythress
>> N Poythress, Elizabeth 11/10/1809 Wilkinson County, GA of Hancock Co.
>> N Poythress, (orphans) 11/20/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Fr. P. of Hancock Co.
>> N Epes, Peter 1/1811 Pr. Geo. Co Joshua, Wm., Thos. P.
>> (c. 1769->1817) N Dickson, John/Robt. 7/13/1812 Burke County, GA Edward
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1780-1824) N Epes, Peter 12/1812 Prince George County Patrick H.
>> Poythress
>> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/3/1813 33 Mecklenburg County
>> N Risque, James B. 11/14/1815 100 Chesterfield County Poythress
>> (Bloomsbury)
>> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 4/20/1816 138 Mecklenburg County
>> (c. 1780->1830) N Poythress, Lilly 11/27/1820 160 Faulkner Co., Arkansas
>> of VA
>> (c. 1765-1832) N Poythress, George 5/8/1821 Georgia of Burke Co., GA
>> N Poythress, Meredith 12/9/1823 202½ Houston County, GA of Screven Co.,
>> GA
>> (c. 1785-1828) N Poythress, Cleaton 11/27/1824 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
>> Y Poytress, Littlebury H. 7/23/1825 150 Granville County, NC
>> N Poythress, James P. 6/21/1827 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
>> N Poythress, James P. 1/26/1829 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
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12/10/2005 3:58:50
Re: Part 5
Michael Tutor
I am glad to read that the posting adds to what you already knew. I only
hope that each new posting helps us all establish new facts and gives us an
opportunity to answer all of our questions. I plan to post more within the
next couple of months.
I enjoyed reading about Samuel Jordan and Miss Cecily. She seems to have
been quite extraordinary......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Part 5
> Thanks Michael.
>
> I see how detailed you have become and I am very hopeful that your virtual
> census will help me.
>
> I enjoyed what you sent today re Captain Francis Pythress 1st emigrant.
> I recently did a program for my daughter's 5th grade class on "Cecily
> Reynolds Bayley Jordan Farrar Montague Parker" based on an 2004 article in
> the Colonial Courier, the Daughters of American Colonists magazine. When
> you talk about Francis Poythress's land, the references "This land was
> located between Captain John Woodlief's land, on the east, and Bayley's
> Creek, on the west. Captain Woodlief's land was located near a place
> called Jordan's and ran east towards land called Beggars bush". Bayley's
> Creek must have been part of the 200 acres owned by Cecily 1st husband,
> Thomas Bayley and inherited by Thomas & Cecily Bayley's daughter
> Temperance when Temperance married. When Thomas Bayley died in 1622-23,
> Cecily married the older Samuel Jordan who owned 450 acres, the largest
> acreage on the bank of the James River. Within the article, it states
> that Cecily's adjoining neighbors were the Woodliefs !
> and John Rolfe and wife Pocahantas. This would have had to have been the
> land called Bayley's Point since Pochantas left for England in 1616 while
> Cecily was married to 1st husband Thomas Bayley.
>
> You probably know most of the above, but when one realizes who was whose
> adjoining neighbor, it makes more since that Jane Poythress would marry
> Thomas Rolfe.
>
> Pat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Tutor"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Part 5
>
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I sent parts 1, 3, 5.....and I have sent part 3 twice more. I sent five
>> different e-mails the other day but only three showed up on the board.
>> Not
>> sure what the problem is......Mike
>>
>> Martha Jane Poythress, dau. of David & Mary, married John Tucker
>> 10/16/1848.
>>
>> Hopefully, if we keep digging into the records, we will help tie up loose
>> ends with William & Julia..........Mike
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pat"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Part 5
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Michael
>>>
>>> I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not sent,
>>> Parts 2,3, and 4
>>>
>>>
>>> Also in Part 5, you show
>>> > Mecklenburg County
>>> > 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>>>
>>> The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage
>>> certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880
>>> at
>>> age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found
>>> in
>>> Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a marriage
>>> license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as
>>> William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage
>>> license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
>>>
>>>
>>> My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850 Census
>>> as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are
>>> also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
>>> Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est.,
>>> born
>>> VA
>>>
>>> " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
>>>
>>> " , James, age 8, male, born VA
>>>
>>> " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
>>>
>>> " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
>>>
>>> " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha
>>> Jane Poythress
>>>
>>> " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
>>>
>>> Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as
>>> "Portrass":
>>>
>>> Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp.,
>>> p.
>>> 356, June 30.
>>> Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830
>>> (widow of
>>> William Poythress)
>>> Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
>>> Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be
>>> Martha
>>> Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Tutor"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
>>> Subject: Part 5
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virtual Census
>>>>
>>>> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
>>>> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
>>>> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
>>>> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T.
>>>> 1st
>>>> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>>>> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>>> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>>>> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>>> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
>>>> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
>>>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
>>>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
>>>> Henrico parish
>>>> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>>>> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>>>> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
>>>> North Carolina
>>>> Warren County
>>>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>>>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Henrico parish
>>>> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
>>>> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>>>> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>>> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
>>>> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
>>>> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>>>> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>>>> Georgia
>>>> Troup County
>>>> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
>>>> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
>>>> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
>>>> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
>>>> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
>>>> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
>>>> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
>>>> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
>>>> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
>>>> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
>>>> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Brunswick County
>>>> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
>>>> Henrico parish
>>>> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
>>>> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
>>>> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
>>>> Georgia
>>>> Burke County
>>>> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 1861-1865 Civil War
>>>> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA
>>>> (1830-1862),
>>>> s.
>>>> of James & Catherine
>>>> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s.
>>>> of
>>>> James & Catherine
>>>> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
>>>> Hester
>>>> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
>>>> Meredith & Hester
>>>> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of
>>>> Meredith
>>>> & Hester?
>>>> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of
>>>> Meredith
>>>> & Susan
>>>> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
>>>> Meredith & Susan
>>>> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
>>>> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA
>>>> (1823-),
>>>> s.
>>>> of Joseph & Mary
>>>> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of
>>>> David
>>>> &
>>>> Mary
>>>> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-),
>>>> James
>>>> A.
>>>> Poythress, wife Martha A.
>>>> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
>>>> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden
>>>> Co.,
>>>> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
>>>> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC
>>>> Cav.(Ferguson's),
>>>> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers
>>>> SC
>>>> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>>>> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
>>>> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
>>>> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional
>>>> Army),
>>>> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Virginia
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
>>>> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>>>> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>>>> Petersburg
>>>> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
>>>> Brunswick County
>>>> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. &
>>>> Lucy
>>>> J. Poythress
>>>> Mecklenburg County
>>>> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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12/10/2005 4:07:10
Re: Re: Part 5
Michael Tutor
Judy,
I have sent part 3 three times now. For whatever reason, it will not post.
There are a couple other lists that I have sent also that will not
post....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Part 5
> Michael, I never received part 3.
> Thanks,
> Judy Speed Scruggs
>>
>> From: "Michael Tutor"
>> Date: 2005/12/10 Sat AM 12:03:04 EST
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Part 5
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I sent parts 1, 3, 5.....and I have sent part 3 twice more. I sent five
>> different e-mails the other day but only three showed up on the board.
>> Not
>> sure what the problem is......Mike
>>
>> Martha Jane Poythress, dau. of David & Mary, married John Tucker
>> 10/16/1848.
>>
>> Hopefully, if we keep digging into the records, we will help tie up loose
>> ends with William & Julia..........Mike
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pat"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Part 5
>>
>>
>> > Thanks, Michael
>> >
>> > I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not
>> > sent,
>> > Parts 2,3, and 4
>> >
>> >
>> > Also in Part 5, you show
>> > > Mecklenburg County
>> > > 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>> >
>> > The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage
>> > certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880
>> > at
>> > age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found
>> > in
>> > Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a
>> > marriage
>> > license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as
>> > William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage
>> > license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
>> >
>> >
>> > My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850
>> > Census
>> > as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are
>> > also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
>> > Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est.,
>> > born
>> > VA
>> >
>> > " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
>> >
>> > " , James, age 8, male, born VA
>> >
>> > " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
>> >
>> > " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
>> >
>> > " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha
>> > Jane Poythress
>> >
>> > " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
>> >
>> > Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as
>> > "Portrass":
>> >
>> > Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp.,
>> > p.
>> > 356, June 30.
>> > Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830
>> > (widow of
>> > William Poythress)
>> > Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
>> > Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be
>> > Martha
>> > Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pat
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Michael Tutor"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
>> > Subject: Part 5
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Virtual Census
>> >>
>> >> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
>> >> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
>> >> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
>> >> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T.
>> >> 1st
>> >> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>> >> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> >> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>> >> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> >> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
>> >> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
>> >> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
>> >> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
>> >> Henrico parish
>> >> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>> >> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>> >> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
>> >> North Carolina
>> >> Warren County
>> >> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>> >> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Henrico parish
>> >> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
>> >> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>> >> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>> >> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
>> >> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
>> >> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>> >> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>> >> Georgia
>> >> Troup County
>> >> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
>> >> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
>> >> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
>> >> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
>> >> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
>> >> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
>> >> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
>> >> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
>> >> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
>> >> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
>> >> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Brunswick County
>> >> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
>> >> Henrico parish
>> >> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
>> >> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
>> >> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
>> >> Georgia
>> >> Burke County
>> >> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> 1861-1865 Civil War
>> >> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA
>> >> (1830-1862),
>> >> s.
>> >> of James & Catherine
>> >> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918),
>> >> s.
>> >> of
>> >> James & Catherine
>> >> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith
>> >> &
>> >> Hester
>> >> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
>> >> Meredith & Hester
>> >> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of
>> >> Meredith
>> >> & Hester?
>> >> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of
>> >> Meredith
>> >> & Susan
>> >> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
>> >> Meredith & Susan
>> >> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
>> >> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA
>> >> (1823-),
>> >> s.
>> >> of Joseph & Mary
>> >> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of
>> >> David
>> >> &
>> >> Mary
>> >> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-),
>> >> James
>> >> A.
>> >> Poythress, wife Martha A.
>> >> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
>> >> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden
>> >> Co.,
>> >> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
>> >> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC
>> >> Cav.(Ferguson's),
>> >> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers
>> >> SC
>> >> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>> >> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC
>> >> Cav.,
>> >> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
>> >> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional
>> >> Army),
>> >> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Virginia
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
>> >> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>> >> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>> >> Petersburg
>> >> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
>> >> Brunswick County
>> >> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. &
>> >> Lucy
>> >> J. Poythress
>> >> Mecklenburg County
>> >> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
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Captain Francis Poythress, 1st generation in the Virginia Colony
Michael Tutor
I am trying to organize all of the records on the first four generations
into a "life story" format in order to hopefully make it easier to solidify
what we know about the Poythress family. Maybe we will have a more solid
foundation from which to work. With the finite number of records that are
available, it is necessary to focus attention on every word in every record.
Maynard and I have been hammering and chiseling at the existent records for
over two years in order to provide a more definitive and factual
representation of the family. As I told Maynard the other day, this mutual
endeavor has been one entertaining adventure. The lists and chronologies
would never have been completed without the herculean efforts and advice of
Maynard. Thanks again.
From Chaos and Disorder: Poythress Family Unentangled
William B. Hall said, "Scientific speculations are permissible, and any
hypothesis is allowable, for it is simply an attempt to explain known facts
which exist. When it becomes acceptable to the scientific world, it becomes
a theory of the day, and holds until a fact is discovered which runs
contrawise. The theory passes, another hypothesis arises, becomes accepted,
and a new theory reigns. This is science, and knowledge expands and
continues to grow. This is our problem with the Poythresses, and if you so
wish to, term it the Poythress puzzle. We do not expect to solve it, but in
the repercussion following, new facts will doubtless arise from the
interested descendants of the Poythress and allied families. The result will
be increased and more accurate family knowledge, and that is our desire in
these studies.
The First Generation in America: Captain Francis Poythress
R. Bolling Batte on Captain Francis Poythress
[Francis Poythress ( - c. 1650) m. Mary_____; English immigrant to Virginia
c. 1633; patented 400 acres on Bailey's Creek in Charles City County in 1637
(PB 1, 439) and 350 additional acres adjoining (total 750) in 1648 (PB 2,
139). This land fell into Prince George County upon its formation in 1702.
Was lieutenant of the militia in 1644; a captain by 1648. Was burgess for
Charles City County 1644, 1645, 1647, and for Northumberland County in 1648.
His name disappears from the records after that. The family name of the wife
of Captain Francis Poythress has not been discovered.. After his death she
became the wife of Colonel Robert Wynne. Issue of Francis and Mary___
Poythress: 1. Jane 2. John 3. Thomas 4. Francis] [Of Francis Poythress' four
children this traces the line of only one, first son John. Daughter Jane
married out of the surname line. Thomas returned to England and there is no
further record of him. Francis2's line was to have been "Section B." Mrs.
Batte informed me personally that Mr. Batte had never done Section B.]
[1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675 in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died 1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called "Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County, Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.]
[5. Jane Poythress (Mary ______1) was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A],
and died in VA. She married Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe and Pocahontas
Unnamed.
Child of Jane Poythress and Thomas Rolfe is:
+ 23 i. Jane Rolfe was born BEF 1660 in [(P_1) AA= (B_2 (W1)]She had one
child], and died 1676 in VA date assumes Robert remarried after her death.]
Family
Francis Poythress (1609-c. 1651), the emigrant, was probably the son of John
Poythris, and was christened at Newent, in Gloucestershire, on July 12,
1609. John Poythris owned the nearby Ploddy House until 1648. Francis
Poythress was in the Colony of Virginia by February 9, 1633, as he appeared
in the Minutes of the Council of Virginia and at the General Court at James
City where he received a letter of administration on the estates of Thomas
Hall and Robert Kidd, deceased. Francis married Mary (Sloman?) (c. 1617-aft.
5/1677). Their children were (1) Jane (traditional) (c. 1633-1/16/1676), who
married Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe and Pocahontas; (2) Francis (c.
1639-bef. 4/3/1688), who married Rebecca Coggin, daughter of Dr. John Coggin
and Mrs. Joyce ( ) Boyce Tye; (3) John (c. 1640-bef. 12/11/1712), who
married Christian Peebles, daughter of David Peebles and Elizabeth Bishop;
and (4) Thomas (c. 1641-aft. 11/30/1659), who was sent to England after
November 30, 1659. Francis was last mentioned in the Virginia records in
Northumberland County, on September 20, 1651.
The Traditional Daughter: Jane Poythress
Thomas Rolfe was the only son of Pocahontas and John Rolfe. He remained in
London, England, with his uncle, Henry Rolfe, after the death of his mother
in 1617. His father, John Rolfe, returned to the Virginia colony where he
died during the year of the first massacre, 1622. Thomas Rolfe later came to
Virginia as a young man and may have married Jane Poythress, the daughter of
Francis and Mary Poythress. Their daughter and only child, Jane Rolfe,
married Robert Bolling (1646-1709). In 1641, Thomas requested permission
from the Governor of the colony to visit his aunt "Cleopatre and his Kinsman
Opecancanough." In 1646, as Lieutenant Thomas Rolfe, he was granted Fort
Chickahominy and an adjoining 600 acres on the condition that he keep a
guard there. Either Thomas Rolfe or his father, John Rolfe, received land,
as a gift, from Chief Powhatan or Chief Opechancanough, for in a deed dated
June 10, 1654, Thomas conveyed to William Corker "one hundred and fifty
acres of land in Surry County lying between Smith's fort Old Field and the
Devil's Woodyard Swamp...being due unto the said Rolfe by Gift from the
Indian King." At one time, Thomas had owned the 1,200 acre plantation,
called "Smith's Fort," at the mouth of Gray's Creek. He sold this property
to Mr. Thomas Warren. A brick house was built on this property in 1651 or
1652. About a half mile from the house, on a high bluff running along a bend
in Gray's Creek, were the remnants of Smith's Fort which had been built in
1608 or 1609, opposite Jamestown, and had been called the "New Fort" on John
Smith's map of Virginia. In 1698, according to James City records, John
Bolling, Gentleman, and son of Robert Bolling and Jane Rolfe, conveyed to
William Brown, "one thousand acres of land commonly called the Fort on
Chickahominy River," land that had been granted to Thomas Rolfe in 1646.
The Son in England: Thomas Poythress
By 1644, records began to appear indicating that Francis had married and had
children. He was the only Poythress to be found in the Virginia colony. In
the Will of Captain Thomas Pawlett, dated January 12, 1644, Captain Pawlett
mentioned his Godchildren: To my Godchildren, William Harris, John Woodson,
Thomas Aston, Thomas Fludd, Henry Richley, John Bishop, Thomas Woodward,
Thomas Boyse, Thomas Poythers, and William Bayle, one silver spoon and one
sow shote apiece, for want of shotes the value to be paid out of the estate.
To God-children, Francis Epps and William Ferrar, a silver spoon and my
silver bowl and wine cup, to be divided between them; to Lieutenant Bishop,
Sergeant Williams, and Ensign Page, 20 shillings.
To the Church of Westover, 10 acres, to lye forty pole square, now leased to
Richard Hamlet, which ten acres are to be laid out for the best conveniency
of the church.
To my loving friends, Mr. George Menefie and Mr. Walter Aston, 20 shillings
apiece as poor token of my remembrance.
To Mr. George Menefie my sword and to Mr Walter Aston my gun.
To Captain Francis Eppes my drum, and to Mr. Richard Jones, minister, my cow
called Cherry.
To Sir John Pawlett my ever loving brother the residue of my estate after
satisfaction of legacies and debts; sir John, sole executor, Captain Francis
Epps and Mr. Walter Aston overseers of his Will who are to bury him
according to their own discretion; bequeathes to them £5 apiece sterling,
but "withall desiring them that this and all other legacies mentioned in
this Will may not be paid in money, but in some commodity naturally produced
in this country that they may be no greater prejudice to the estate than the
value of each legacy." In case of his brother's death before his enjoyment
of this estate, "then my overseers to surrender it to Sir William Berklay,
my much honored kinsman, who is then to be executor."
To Mrs. Epps 20 shillings for a ring and my Bible.
To Mrs. Menefie and Mrs. Aston, 40 shillings apiece.
To Mrs. Reynolds Evans one cow.
To Sam Salmon, 20 shillings.
"My two servants, John Clapton and John Bennett, if they shall do faithful
service to within one years space of the end of their indentures, to have
them delivered up, otherwise to be disposed of by the overseers of county
court; my executors to pay William Mundy 30 shillings due from my Brother
Chideck Pawlett; gives 40 shillings to John South."
Dated January 12, 1644. The witnesses were John South, John Flud, Reynold
Evans. Proved by the oath of Reynolds Evans before Francis Epps.
Thomas Boyce was the older half-brother of Elizabeth Tye, Frances Tye and
Rebecca Coggin. Rebecca Coggin married Francis' son, Major Francis
Poythress.
Other than the 1644 Will by his Godparent, Captain Thomas Pawlett, and the
following Charles City County record, Thomas Poythress was never mentioned
again in the records of the Virginia colony. "These presents oblige me
Arther Graunt to carry Thomas Poythres in my ship this yeare for England and
at his arrivall there in case Mr. George Laud shall not accomodate him w'th
dyett and lodging, I do hereby oblige my selfe to do it untill the retorne
of the next shipping to this country of Virginia, w'ch I am to do gratis w'thout
expecting any pay, and the next yeare to bring him into this countrey againe
he paying for his passaged inward as otheres doe. To the performance whereof
I bind me my heires ex'rs and adm'rs and in testimony thereof put my hand
this 30th of November 1659. Arthur Graunt. Wit: John Stith, Thomas Malory.
Rec. 10'br 3, 1659."
Professional Life
A letter dated September 19, 1637, to the Governor and Council of Virginia,
from Lawrence Evans, a merchant, stated that Evans had sent goods valued at
£2,000, in three ships, during the previous year, to the Virginia Colony.
His factors for these goods were William Smith and Francis Poythress. Smith
died during the voyage and Francis Poythress had only returned a bill of
£150. The three ships were the Rebecca, with master, Richard Buckham, the
George, with master Robert Page, and the Hopewell, with master William
Smith. In March, 1639, the Virginia Governor and Council directed four of
the "ablest merchants in Virginia," John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage
and George Ludlow to arbitrate the suit. The merchants determined that the
remainder of the goods had been carried away by the three masters and their
crews. An order was given to try and trace the goods belonging to Lawrence
Evans and Evan's latest factor, George Brookes, was to pay Francis Poythress
£10 "in the hundred for goods sold and tobacco received."
In the years from 1626 to 1633, settlers began to repopulate the area near
the Fall Line in Virginia. During this period and prior to 1643,
Appamattucks Towne was built on the south side of the James River, near the
mouth of the Old Towne Creek. About 1635, Captain Henry Fleet and Lieutenant
Francis Poythress built a temporary defense at Fleet's Hill, the site of the
present town of Ettricks, Virginia. Fleet's Hill overlooked Appamattocks
Indian Towne, and was positioned across and up the James River from it.
On May 22, 1642, Robert Eyres, was granted 200 acres in Lower Norfolk
County, about eight miles up a southern branch of the Elizabeth River, for
the transportation of four people, including Francis Poythress. The
headright system used in colonial times was devised to populate the colony.
Every person that paid an emigrant's transportation into the Colony, whether
that emigrant was free or bonded, secured a claim to fifty acres if the
emigrant, or headright, remained in Virginia for three years. Each headright
could expect to be furnished with the necessities of life and a small tract
of land at the end of his contracted indenture. The headright was free to
acquire his own land at the end of the indenture. Many individuals paid
their own ways and secured fifty acres for their own transportation.
Mr. Francis Poythress, of Charles City County, was elected member of the
Burgess during the Grand Assembly at James City, October 1, 1644, and
elected again February 17, 1645, as Lieutenant Francis Poythress. His
colleagues, from Charles City County, were Mr. John Bishop and Captain
Edward Hill, the Speaker of the House of Burgesses. John Bishop was the
grandfather of Christian Peebles who married Francis' son, John Poythress,
about 1674. Captain Edward Hill, husband of Hannah Jordan, while a court
justice for Charles City County, in April, 1661, gave Francis' son, John
Poythress, fifty acres at Jordans adjoining Captain Robert Wynne, John
Poythress' step-father.
The Virginia Governor, his Council and the Burgess, met March 2, 1646, to
consider the expenses necessary in pursuing the war against the Indians. The
Indians had been dispersed from their towns and habitations by the militia
and had since been seen lurking in the woods in small numbers. At this
meeting, Lieutenant Francis Poythress was given command of sixty men from
the north side of the James River, militia from the counties of Henrico,
Charles City, James City, York, Warwick, Elizabeth City and Northampton, for
a period of six weeks. He was to consult with Captain Henry Fleet who was to
provide his barque, boat and shallop, victuals, and men to manage the
vessels, on this mission. If Francis Poythress was unable to conclude a
peace treaty with the Indians, he and Captain Fleet were to build a fort
near the Rappahannock River or any suitable place.
On April 20, 1646, sixteen men were assembled at York County as ordered by
the Burgesses at James City. These men were placed under the command of
Lieutenant Poythress and had been provided by the lieutenants and deputy
lieutenants of York County. Provision was made for the protection of the
individual militia members' crops while they were gone and they were to be
paid £100 of tobacco for every wasted day.
The massacre of colonists, in 1644, by the Indians, was the greatest in
Virginia since the 1622 massacre. In 1644, Lord Baltimore gave Henry Fleet
the authority, as Captain General, to visit the Susquehanna Indians and to
make a peace treaty with them. In 1646, he was appointed to organize and
lead an expedition against the Indians and build a fort in the valley of
Rappahannock River. This joint venture by Maryland and Virginia was
necessary to set the boundaries between the Indians and the settlers in
order to preserve some form of peace. Henry Fleet was a member of the
Maryland legislature in 1638 and had been given permission by the Virginia
assembly, in 1642, to explore Virginia for a period of fourteen years.
In 1644, Chief Opechancanough had been killed while in the custody of the
militia and in 1646 and 1647, treaties were made with Opechancanough's
successor that restricted the Powhatan Indians' territory and confined them
to designated reservations. The Powhatan Indians agreed to give up all of
their claims on the land below the Fall Line. They were forced to settle
beyond the York River in the north and behind a line equally distant from
the James River on the south side. According to the treaty, a tribute was
ordered to be offered by the Indians to the English King requiring "twenty
beaver skins att the going away of geese yearely." The Powhatan Indians were
not only restricted as to what land they could occupy but were also limited
in their actions in and around colonists' lands.
Captain Francis Poythress, of Charles City County, was a member of the
Burgess during the Grand Assembly at James City, November 3, 1647. On
October 12, 1648, the Assembly enacted laws for Northumberland County in
order to elect Burgesses, set procedures for issuing patents, and enact
proportional tax rates with the authority to collect the taxes. Francis was
authorized by the Assembly to collect the taxes and to "distreyn in case of
refusall" the arrears and present taxes. Northumberland County came into
existence after the Act of 1649 which designated "Chicacone and other parts
of the neck of land between Rappahannock and Potomack Rivers" to be within
the new county. After September 1, 1649, the inhabitants of this area, were
allowed to move back to the north side of the Charles (York) and
Rappahannock Rivers. The inhabitants had fled due to the Indian massacre of
1644. Northumberland County patents began in 1648 with Captain Francis
Poythress collecting the taxes. He represented Northumberland County, as a
member of the Burgess, during the Assembly at James City, on October 10,
1649.
It was evidently during 1648 that Frances received land in Northumberland
County for his service, as the senior Virginia militia officer, in the
mission he led to build a fort and to conclude a treaty with the Powhatan
Indians. His presence in this area of Virginia left a remembrance of him in
the name of one of its creeks, Poythress Creek. On December 8, 1656, Sir
Henry Chicheley patented 2,200 acres of land, on the north side of the
Rappahannock River, opposite Port Tobacco, bounded on the east by a small
creek, called Poythress Creek. This property overlooked Nanzatico Bay. In
the undated records for 1650 to 1652, Francis approved assignments of land
to the inhabitants of Northumberland County.
The Northumberland County Deeds and Orders Book for the period 1650 to 1652
has been restored. Almost half of the pages of this book are missing.
However, an Index was restored with the book that seems to belong to this
particular book. A notation at the end of the Index states that the book to
which this Index belongs is not to be found, but is supposed to be for the
"Book of Orders by January 20, 1649." By using the Index, supported by the
pages which are extant, effort was made to reconstruct the book as it was
originally. Many pages have been torn and throughout the book the ink has
bled from one side to the other. Pages from the Index.. "./16. Cooke, Jno:
Dep./Gerratt, Tho: Dep./Lee; Hann: rights/Manners, Geo. agt.
Prestley/Poythres, Fran: rights/Powell, Jno. sale to Joane
Philpott/Trussell, Jno. Dep./Waddy, Jno. rights." Under an entry without
date, in the Northumberland County Deeds and Orders, 1650-1652, Records of
Indentured Servants and of Certificates for land is an entry, "These are to
certify that according to sufficient proof made before us there is due to
Francis Gray 300 acres of land by assignment from Captain Francis Poythress
for the transportation of these several persons into this Colony, Viz. John
Tomlinson, Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniel Moore, John Symson, Mary
King. These are to Certify that according to sufficient proof made before us
that there is due unto John Hillier by assignment from Captain Francis
Poythress 200 acres of land for the transportation of these several persons
into this Colony, Viz, Edward Coward (?); Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes,
Morris Ager (?) as also for his own adventure two persons, Edward Trowell,
Robert Danes.
The Burgesses assembled in March, 1651, for Northumberland County were John
Trussell, Thomas Baldridge, Mr. [William] Presley, "Mr. Lee" [probably
Richard, though there were other Lees living in Northumberland at this
time], Mr. Speke and Thomas Wilford.
On September 20, 1651, in the account and inventory of Mr. Robert Sedgrave's
estate in Northumberland County, Mr. John Hollowes, the administrator,
reported that he had paid debts due from Sedgrave's estate, in tobacco, to
several individuals, including Francis Poythress. By March, 1652, Francis
was not listed as a Burgess from Northumberland County. It does not seem
likely that he would have voluntarily relinquished his lucrative job as a
tax collector and his position as a member of the Burgess or his role as a
militia officer. However, he disappears from the records after this
September 20, 1651, record.
Civic Activities
On July 31, 1648, in Northumberland County, Francis Poythress, bound himself
to Thomas Boyce, for forty pounds of beaver, to buy and precure a servant to
serve by indenture to Thomas Boyce for four or five years and was to be
delivered by February 1, 1649. Thomas Boyce's father, Cheney Boyce, died in
1647, and his mother, Mrs. Joyce Boyce, married Richard Tye in 1649. Thomas
Boyce was about nine years old at the time.
Property: Land
On July 13, 1637, Francis Poythress, was granted 400 acres, in Charles City
County, that was bordered on the north side of this property by 350 acres
that was granted to him on February 27, 1637. Fifty of these 400 acres was
due to him for his own personal adventure into the Virginia colony and the
remaining 350 acres were granted to him for transporting seven other people
into the colony. This land was located between Captain John Woodlief's land,
on the east, and Bayley's Creek, on the west. Captain Woodlief's land was
located near a place called Jordan's and ran east towards land called
Beggars bush.
On May 8, 1648, he was granted 400 acres, adjoining his previous 350 acres.
This 750 acres was the same land granted to him on February 27, 1637, and on
July 13, 1637. The 400 acres was located near the mouth of Bayley's Creek
and was bordered on the east by fifty acres belonging to Jenkins Osborne's
orphans. On the west, his land was bordered by the land of Thomas Bayley,
land that was in the possession of John Butler. On the north, his land was
bordered by the mouth of Bayley's Creek, and on the south, it bordered his
previous 350 acres, land that had been patented by Jenkins Osborne and was
purchased from Jenkins Osborne, Mary Osborne and Captain Edward Hill. Bayley's
Creek is located east of Petersburg and forms the southern border of the
city of Hopewell, Virginia. At Francis' death, he had received grants
totaling 750 acres.
After Francis Poythress' Death
Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow of Francis, married, as her second husband,
Colonel Robert Wynne, who was born about 1622. He and Mary married about
1654. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne, who married John Woodlief, son of
John Woodlief; (2) Thomas Wynne, who married Agnes Stith, daughter of John
Stith and Jane Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne, who died in 1675; and, (4) Joshua
Wynne, who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Major Peter Jones and
Margaret Cruise. Major Jones was the Commander of the fort built at the
falls near the present day Petersburg, Virginia. Margaret Cruse was the
step-daughter of Major General Abraham Wood, the Commander of Ft. Henry.
Mary Poythress Wynne's father may have been John Sloeman who was deceased by
December 3, 1658. Captain John Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed
by the court at Merchants Hope "to examine the difference between Captain
Robert Wynne for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman, deceased, and Mr. Francis
Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes and report to the next court." The Slowman surname
became a given name within the Wynne family.
Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony White also "appraised the perishable estate
of the orphans of Captain David Peebles," the father of John Poythress'
wife, Christian Peebles. John Poythress was one of Francis' sons.
Robert was a Burgess from Charles City County, from March 13, 1658 until
1675, being the Speaker of the House, in the Long Parliament, from 1661 to
1675. By 1661, he was a justice of the Charles City County court with
Colonel Edward Hill. He and Captain John Epes were involved in settling the
boundary between Westover parish and Martin's Brandon parish in March, 1662.
After Robert Wynne's Death
Mary Poythress Wynne was the administratrix of Robert Wynne's Will, dated
July 1, 1675, and proved August 3, 1675. In the Will, Robert appointed his
friend, Thomas Grendon, and his "son-in-law," Francis Poythress, overseers
of his Will. "Son-in-law" was in common usage at the time and was used in
lieu of the modern vernacular, "step-son." John Poythress, in his Will,
proved December 11, 1712, appointed his two brothers, Thomas Wynne and
Joshua Wynne, to divide his estate according to his wishes. The Wills of
Robert Wynne and John Poythress indicated that Robert Wynne married the
widow of Captain Francis Poythress and that she became the mother of Robert
Wynne's children, thereby making her Wynne children and her Poythress
children half-brothers and half-sisters. None of Wynne's children were of
legal age when Robert Wynne's Will was written.
12/10/2005 4:41:36
Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
Poythress
R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
[8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John Woodlief.
He was born 1614.
Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
Family
Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about 1622,
in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow of
Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft.
1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas Wynne
(1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and Jane
Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
(3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter Jones
and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will is in
the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came to
America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County, by
1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to escort
back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in England,
which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
James River, was named "Georges."
Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716), married
Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one
child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief (1643-c.
1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of the
first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son, George
Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's son,
Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in Westover
Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph, James,
Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son of
James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of Merchants
Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
Professional Life
On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City County,
present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr. Charles
Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco per
poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz: (in a
list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half brother or
step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie (-bef.
1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
(1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm Horsmenden
and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William Cawfield.
Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
1642-1687).
In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County, present
were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663) married
Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
(1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft.
1675).
In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel Edward
Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of Captain
Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to John
Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq., (1610-1663)
married Hannah Jordan.
The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert Wynne
and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to settle
the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March 23,
1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years, the
last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
election during this long period, the membership of the House of Burgesses
must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and seats
made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete lists,
1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various persons
who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of December
23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen Hamelyn
and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin, who
married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary Kent.
In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City: Captain
Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, present
were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr. John
Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
(1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes (bef.
1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678) was
the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis Poythress(2)
would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill (1637-1700)
was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present were
Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract. Long
entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to lease
new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from Westover
for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the north
side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November 28,
1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel Clarke,
James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Thomas
Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present were
Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward
Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt, Mr.
Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present were
Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain Southcott,
Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered that
the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in command of
five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began. In
May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain by
Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his men
to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party of
Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon arrested
but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter, the
largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present location
of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be safe
from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire to
the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on the
James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester Point
where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to fight
Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon the
approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly arrived
support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
hanged many of them.
On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory, Captain
Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others, examined
various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to
the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James Bisse,
Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various persons
in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor and
Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition may
have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances was
also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as Allen
had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion. Among
the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard Pace.
The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son of
John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband of
Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward. John
Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress Wynne.
Civic Activities
On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman, deceased,
and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says "The
maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only from
the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir John
Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers of
the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was father of
John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
(1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
As Witness
On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane and
Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's Hope,
in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins' Choice, in
the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September 1,
1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops, etc."
The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married
Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs.
Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Captain
John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said that
going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony Wyatt
and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with one of
the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were to
be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of him
and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the pay
for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the hammocks
aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called very
often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to go
aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr. Wyatt's
directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further saith
not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678)
was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
(-1719).
Family Estates
On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised the
perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David Peebles'
daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain Francis
Poythress.
On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to 450
acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress, Thomas
Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor Towle
and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of Thomas
Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
Robert Wynne's Will
Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
Gentleman.
My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently it
may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
those that God has blessed me withal in England.
I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in Kent,
near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with all
barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they were
left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no part
or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas, die
either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure is my
son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it please
God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it shall
come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit by
my administratrix.
I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St. Mildred's
parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the age
of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of heirs
to descend as that doth.
I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges in
Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and further I
will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane over
against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been formerly
tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years and
not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he come
to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his brother,
Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed then
to my administratrix as aforesaid.
I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the parish
of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it shall
please God to call me to his mercy.
I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for provision
and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one good
featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two guns
he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him and
the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to his
brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed guns.
I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the next
shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and oats to
buy one.
I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal of
about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I give
and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary Wynne,
whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give twenty
shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to every
part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand and
annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas Brome,
John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This Will
was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James Minge,
Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716).
Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of John
Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
(1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones and
Margaret Cruse.
Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert Wynne's
executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
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Re: Part 5
Pat
Thanks Michael.
I see how detailed you have become and I am very hopeful that your virtual census will help me.
I enjoyed what you sent today re Captain Francis Pythress 1st emigrant. I recently did a program for my daughter's 5th grade class on "Cecily Reynolds Bayley Jordan Farrar Montague Parker" based on an 2004 article in the Colonial Courier, the Daughters of American Colonists magazine. When you talk about Francis Poythress's land, the references "This land was located between Captain John Woodlief's land, on the east, and Bayley's Creek, on the west. Captain Woodlief's land was located near a place called Jordan's and ran east towards land called Beggars bush". Bayley's Creek must have been part of the 200 acres owned by Cecily 1st husband, Thomas Bayley and inherited by Thomas & Cecily Bayley's daughter Temperance when Temperance married. When Thomas Bayley died in 1622-23, Cecily married the older Samuel Jordan who owned 450 acres, the largest acreage on the bank of the James River. Within the article, it states that Cecily's adjoining neighbors were the Woodliefs !
and John Rolfe and wife Pocahantas. This would have had to have been the land called Bayley's Point since Pochantas left for England in 1616 while Cecily was married to 1st husband Thomas Bayley.
You probably know most of the above, but when one realizes who was whose adjoining neighbor, it makes more since that Jane Poythress would marry Thomas Rolfe.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Part 5
> Pat,
>
> I sent parts 1, 3, 5.....and I have sent part 3 twice more. I sent five
> different e-mails the other day but only three showed up on the board. Not
> sure what the problem is......Mike
>
> Martha Jane Poythress, dau. of David & Mary, married John Tucker 10/16/1848.
>
> Hopefully, if we keep digging into the records, we will help tie up loose
> ends with William & Julia..........Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Part 5
>
>
>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>> I got Parts 1 and 5. Just checking to make sure that you have not sent,
>> Parts 2,3, and 4
>>
>>
>> Also in Part 5, you show
>> > Mecklenburg County
>> > 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>>
>> The above is not my Martha Jane Poythress for whom I have her marriage
>> certificate from Greensville County VA showing that she married in 1880 at
>> age 22 showing only parent Julia Poythress. Another item which I found in
>> Greensville Co showed that a Joseph H. Poythress, age 22 got a marriage
>> license in Oct 1873 to marry Eliza Spencer. He lists his parents as
>> William and Julia Poythress-there was no "return for this marriage
>> license. Thus I assume that Joseph was the older brother of my Martha.
>>
>>
>> My Martha's parents, Wm & Julia, are the the Greensville co 1850 Census
>> as "William Portress, age 23 farm laborer with Julia, age 18". They are
>> also in the 1860 Census as "Potis":
>> Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born
>> VA
>>
>> " , Julia, age 29, female, born NC
>>
>> " , James, age 8, male, born VA
>>
>> " , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
>>
>> " , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
>>
>> " , Jane, age 4, female, born VA This should be my Martha
>> Jane Poythress
>>
>> " , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
>>
>> Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC
>>
>>
>>
>> In the 1870 Census for Greensville Co VA, we find Julia alone as
>> "Portrass":
>>
>> Julia Portrass, 1870, Greensville Co., Va., HH 126, Hicksford Twp., p.
>> 356, June 30.
>> Julia Poythress F 40 born Va. pauper can't read/write b. abt. 1830
>> (widow of
>> William Poythress)
>> Martha Brewer F 65 born Va. pauper can't read/write
>> Martha A. Poythress F 6 born Va. pauper b. abt. 1864 (should be Martha
>> Jane but looks like "Martha A.")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Tutor"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Part 5
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Virtual Census
>>>
>>> Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, 1838-1841
>>> Poythress, James Pvt.; Porthryss, James Pvt.
>>> Portress, William Pvt.; Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.; Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.;
>>> Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.; Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.; Poythress William T.
>>> 1st
>>> Lt.; Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
>>> Virginia
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1844 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>>> 1844 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>> 1845 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
>>> 1845 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>> 1845 Lewis Y. Poythress (c. 1819-) deed
>>> 1845 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) deed
>>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) marriage
>>> 1846 Lewis Poythress (c. 1819-) marriage
>>> Henrico parish
>>> 1847 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>>> 1847 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>>> 1847 William P. Poythress (1847-1920) birth record
>>> North Carolina
>>> Warren County
>>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) marriage bond
>>> Virginia
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1848 Martha Jane Poythress (c. 1830) marriage bond
>>> 1848 David Poythress (c. 1805-) daughter's marriage bond
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Virginia
>>> Henrico parish
>>> 1852 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852-1927) birth record
>>> 1852 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) child's birth record
>>> 1852 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) child's birth record
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1852 David Poythress (c. 1805-) deed
>>> 1853 Sarah G. Poythress Dortch (1814-1853) death record
>>> 1853 Benjamin J. Poythress (1852-1853) death record
>>> 1853 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>>> 1853 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>>> Georgia
>>> Troup County
>>> 1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
>>> 1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
>>> 1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
>>> 1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
>>> 1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
>>> 1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
>>> 1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
>>> 1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
>>> 1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will
>>> Virginia
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1855 David Poythress (c. 1805-) court record
>>> 1855 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) court record
>>> 1855 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) court record
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Virginia
>>> Brunswick County
>>> 1861 Rebecca L. Poythress Stanley (c. 1811-1861) death record
>>> Henrico parish
>>> 1861 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861-1888) birth record
>>> 1861 William P. Poythress (c. 1810-1862) son's birth record
>>> 1861 Charlotte Poythress (1825-1897) son's birth record
>>> Georgia
>>> Burke County
>>> John C. Poythress (1796-1862) Will
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 1861-1865 Civil War
>>> Nathan Francis Poythress, Jeff Davis Legion, Miss. Cav., CSA (1830-1862),
>>> s.
>>> of James & Catherine
>>> Algernon Edward Poythress, 12th Reg't., Miss. Cav., CSA (1844-1918), s.
>>> of
>>> James & Catherine
>>> John Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1821-1900), s. of Meredith &
>>> Hester
>>> Isaac Edwin Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA., Inf. CSA (1828-1862), s. of
>>> Meredith & Hester
>>> William E. Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA. Inf., CSA (1833-1907), s. of
>>> Meredith
>>> & Hester?
>>> John Maner Poythress, 47th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1832-1866), s. of
>>> Meredith
>>> & Susan
>>> Daniel Willie Poythress, 25th Reg't., GA Inf., CSA (1838-1922), s. of
>>> Meredith & Susan
>>> John Poythress, 5th Reg't., GA Cav., CSA
>>> Russell King Poythress, 2nd Reg't., GA Cav., (State Guards), CSA (1823-),
>>> s.
>>> of Joseph & Mary
>>> James Speed Poythress, 2nd Reg't., AL Cav., CSA (1829-1923), s. of David
>>> &
>>> Mary
>>> J. A. Poythress, Bickham's Co., LA., (Caddo Militia), CSA (1822-), James
>>> A.
>>> Poythress, wife Martha A.
>>> A. J. Poythress, 6th Reg't., LA Cav., CSA
>>> John P. Poythress, 25th Reg't., LA Inf., CSA (1833-1886), b. Gadsden Co.,
>>> FL, wife Mary Ann Dolan
>>> G. W. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 5th Reg't. SC
>>> Cav.(Ferguson's),
>>> 17th Battalion SC Cav. (6th), 19th Battalion SC Cav., Partisan Rangers SC
>>> (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA (1833-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>>> H. C. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Mounted Militia, 19th Battalion SC Cav.,
>>> Partisan Rangers SC (Capt. Kirk's Co.), CSA
>>> John H. Portress, 1st Reg't., SC Inf. (McCreary's) (1st Provisional
>>> Army),
>>> CSA (1842-) s. of Henry C. & Elizabeth
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Virginia
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1874 Bennett Poythress (1874-1874) death record
>>> 1874 Thomas M. Poythress (c. 1823-1891) son's death record
>>> 1874 Lucy J. Poythress (c. 1827-) son's death record
>>> Petersburg
>>> 1876 George Alexander Poythress ( - )
>>> Brunswick County
>>> 1877 James D. Poythress (c. 1857-) marriage record, s. of Thomas M. &
>>> Lucy
>>> J. Poythress
>>> Mecklenburg County
>>> 1880 William L. Poythress (c. 1845-c. 1915) court record
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>>> www.poythress.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
12/10/2005 10:04:57
Question on Part 2,3,4
Pat
Michael, do you consider this Part 2 or 4? Or do you consider it separate
from the 5 Parts?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:48 AM
> The following list includes every listed deed that I have seen mentioning
> a Poythress: Transferring from one format to another always changes the
> format in which I originally put the list together. The list is
> chronological, with the life span of the individual Poythress, Y/N to
> indicate whether the full document is available, the seller of the
> property, the date of sale, the number of acres, and if the seller was not
> a Poythress, the name of the Poythress that was mentioned. This list adds
> another dimension to identifying the existence of different individuals
> and where they were involved in transactions.
>
> The identifying life span with the individual in the entry is my
> identification of the individual. These will be looked at more closely as
> the different lists are completed and compared to the existing records.
> The number of Francis, William and John Poythresses make it neccesary to
> evaluate the life events of each individual to discover the particular
> individual in each record.
>
> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythers, Francis 7/13/1637 400 Charles City Co
> (1609-c. 1651) N Woodliffe, John 7/25/1638 200 Charles City Co Francis
> Poythres
> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythres, Francis, Captain 5/8/1648 750 Charles City Co
> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 4/1661 50 Charles City Co Captain Francis
> Poythres
> (c. 1639-1688) N Poythres, Francis 6/3/1665 450 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Edmonds/Williams 4/20/1680 888 Charles City Co Major
> Poytries
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytres, Francis 9/28/1681 609 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytries, Francis, Major 4/20/1682 750 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hill, Edward, Colonel 11/20/1683 980½ Charles City Co
> Francis Poytheris
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytheres, Francis 11/20/1683 1,250 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Goodrich, Charles 4/20/1687 550 Charles City Co Major
> Poytheres
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumfort, James 4/20/1689 50 Charles City Co Major Francis
> Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Tapley, Adam 4/21/1690 1,078 Charles City Co Major
> Poythres
> (c. 1660->1711) Y Poythres, Rebecca 4/29/1692 1,000 Charles City Co
> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 9/20/1699 350 Surry County
> (c. 1640-1712) Y Poythris, John 10/24/1701 350 Charles City Co
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 10/23/1703 609 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumford, Robert 4/26/1704 50 Charles City Co Major
> Francis Poythress
> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythress, John 12/11/1704 200 Prince George Co Francis
> Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hamlin, John 5/2/1705 550 Charles City Co Major Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Bland, Richard 11/2/1705 1,254 Mr. Francis Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 6/22/1708 600 Pr. Geo./Surry Co
> (c. 1660->1711) N Bartholomew, Anne 9/10/1711 200 Prince George Co Rebecca
> Poythress
> (c. 1660->1711) N Poythress, Rebecca 9/10/1711 300 Prince George Co
> Rebecca Poythress
> N Bland, Richard 3/3/1711 430 Prince George Co Mr. Francis Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) N Poythress, Thomas 12/9/1712 100 Pr. Geo. Co Fr. Poythres
> of Westover
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 5/12/1713 100 Prince George Co
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr. 6/8/1714 50 Prince George Co of
> Weyanoke
> N Grammar, Peter 7/12/1715 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythres
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 3/23/1715 100 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
> Geo. Co.
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythres, Thomas 3/23/1715 180 Surry County
> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 5/9/1717 500 Surry County
> (c. 1672->1726) Y Poythres, John 7/15/1717 267 Surry County of Pr. Geo.
> Co.
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 2/10/1717 200 Prince George Co
> N Pace, Richard 11/11/1717 Prince Geo. Co Fr. Poythress, the Elder
> N Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
> Y Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 400 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr., et al 9/4/1720 1,200 Prince George
> Co
> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythres, John, Jr. 11/8/1720 150 Prince Geo. Co Fr.
> Poythres, the Elder
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythress, Peter 2/14/1720 92 Surry County
> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 4/4/1721 100 Prince George Co Joshua
> Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 9/11/1721 40 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 9/12/1721 100/267 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 10/4/1721 100 Prince George Co
> N Poythres, Francis 12/11/1721 200 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Poythres, Peter 12/11/1721 200 Prince Geo. Co John, s.
> of Fr. Poythres
> (c. 1688-1741) Y Poythres, Joshua 6/22/1722 333 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Golitely, John 2/18/1722 100 Isle of Wight Co Peter
> Poythres
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythres, David 9/5/1723 250 Surry County
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythres, John 9/5/1723 200 Isle of Wight Co of Pr. Geo.
> Co.
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Robbords, John 9/5/1723 235 David Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Ivie, Adam 12/16/1723 130 Pr. Geo. Co Capt. John/Mr.
> Peter Poythress
> Y Poythris, Francis, Captain 7/9/1724 387 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 7/9/1724 206 Prince George Co
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 2/22/1724 248 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 7/9/1725 300 Prince George Co
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 7/11/1725 2 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 7/11/1725 100 Prince George Co Joshua
> Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 7/12/1725 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674->1726) Y Poythres, John, Capt. 10/13/1727 275 Brunswick County
> (1694-1763) Y Poythriss, William 10/13/1727 343 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 3/11/1727 400 Prince George Co
> Y Poythris, Francis, Jr. 9/28/1728 200 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Poythris, Robert 9/28/1728 291 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Glover, Robert 9/28/1728 297 Prince George Co Robert
> Poythris
> (1694-1763) N Poythress, William 5/2/1729 2,000 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Parham, Abraham 9/28/1730 150 Surry County Joshua
> Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) N Eldings/Leath 8/25/1731 248 Prince George Co Thomas
> Poythres
> Y Clark, Joshua 9/28/1732 50 Isle of Wight Co Captain John Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Green, Peter 9/28/1732 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 10/9/1732 250 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Parrum, Robert 3/22/1732 267 Surry County Robert Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 6/20/1733 400 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 1,024 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 297 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 381 Prince George Co
> (c. 1683-1749) N Green, Peter 1/28/1733 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Bland, Richard 2/28/1733 140 Isle of Wight Co Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Hay, Richard 5/25/1734 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bridges, William 8/1/1734 425 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythress, Joshua 2/27/1734 382 Prince George Co William
> Poythress
> (1694-1763) Y Poythress, William, Gent.3/24/1734 400 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Poythres, Robert 6/17/1735 412 Surry County
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythress, David/Robert 7/12/1735 600 Surry County John
> Poythres
> (1694-1763) N Moore, Samuel 9/10/1735 100 Prince George Co William
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, Francis 1/10/1735 400 Brunswick County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Mayberry, George 1/10/1735 225 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1710-1760) Y Poythress, John, Gent. 3/17/1736 325 Brunswick County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bland, Richard 4/19/1737 225 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> Y Cryer, William 1/2/1737 700 Prince George Co Joseph Poythress
> Y Michell, John 2/9/1737 250 Prince George Co John Poythress
> N Poythress, Francis, Gent. 8/1738 Prince George Co
> N Poythress, Charles 9/12/1738 Prince George Co
> N Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/12/1738 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Leath, Charles 3/26/1739 263 Surry County Joshua
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/22/1739 3,887 Prince George Co
> Y Poythress, Francis 9/22/1739 400 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Brantley, John 9/22/1739 350 Isle of Wight Co Mr. Peter
> Poythress
> (1690-1743) Y Poythress, Robert 9/22/1739 400 Amelia County
> (c. 1685-1740) N Pettway, Edward 9/10/1740 235 Surry County David
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 1,572 Prince George Co
> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 200 Prince George Co
> Y Jackson, John 10/15/1741 4,440 Prince Geo./Amelia Joseph Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Wainwright, George 10/15/1741 399 Prince George Co Thomas
> Poythress
> (1690-1743) N Poythress, William 3/15/1741 327 Prince George Co
> (c. 1685-1740) N Avent, Thomas 4/21/1742 200 Surry County Peter Poythress
> N Claiborne, Burnell 7/10/1745 150 Prince George Co Captain Francis
> Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) Y Poythress, Charles 8/20/1745 300
> (c. 1720-1782) N Leath, John 8/20/1745 400 Surry County Joshua Poythress
> N Stone, William 8/20/1745 700 Amelia County Poythress
> Y Poythress, John, Jr. 9/20/1745 841 Prince George Co
> Y Johnson, Going 7/25/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
> Y Sanders, John 7/25/1746 400 Prince George Co William Poythress
> Y Thomas, Edward 7/25/1746 168 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Grigg, Abner 8/28/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Elder, William, Jr. 8/28/1746 280 Prince George Co Robert Poythress
> Y Ornsby, John 8/28/1746 1,703 Prince George Co Poythress
> Y Wagnon, John 9/25/1746 576 Prince George Co William Poythress
> Elder, William 9/25/1746 400 William Poythress
> N Ferguson, Robert 8/20/1747 840 Prince George Co Poytheross
> N Wyatt, Francis 8/20/1747 200 Amelia County Poythress
> Y Williams, Thomas 8/20/1748 1,510 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Poythress, William 9/6/1748 447½ Henrico County
> N Stone, Katherine 12/2/1748 200 Amelia County Robert Poythriss
> N Brewer, Lenire 7/25/1749 150 Brunswick County John Poythress
> Y Darvill, Buffington J. 9/5/1749 1,090 Prince George Co John Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Elder, John 9/5/1749 200 Prince George Co Charles
> Poythress
> Y Wainwright, George 9/5/1749 1,000 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Poythress, William 9/11/1749 450 Amelia County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Dancy, William 11/11/1749 325 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> N Boyd, Walter 4/20/1750 450 Amelia County William Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Poythress, Charles 5/29/1751 640 Granville County, NC
> (1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 8/5/1751 324 Prince George Co William
> Poythress
> N Poythress, William 8/3/1752 531 Dinwiddie County
> N Williams, John 4/18/1753 38 Dinwiddie County Wm./Edward Poythress
> N Pettway, Edward 8/16/1756 143 Peter Poythress
> N Draper, James 8/16/1756 149 Amelia County Wm./Joseph Poythress
> Y Turner, Matthew 10/21/1756 100 Bertie County, NC William Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Clark, James 7/17/1758 Surry County Charles Poythress,
> Gent.
> N Gordon, Samuel 8/14/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Dance, Thomas 11/17/1759 447½ Chesterfield Co William Poythress
> N Baird, John 12/11/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Brodnax, William 1/13/1760 1 lot Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Gordon, Samuel 2/7/1760 105 Prince George Co William Poythress
> N West, Robert 9/26/1760 100 Dinwiddie County Poythress
> N Cheek, Robert 11/27/1760 212 Granville County, NC Charles Bartholomew
> N Hutchings, Robert 3/18/1761 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Hardy, John 3/18/1761 96 3/4 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Morton, Joseph 10/21/1761 160 Lunenburg County William Portress
> N Williams, Robert 4/21/1762 200 Amelia County Poythress
> N Hutchings, Robert 9/25/1762 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Williams, Robert 5/10/1763 200 Amelia County Poythress
> (c. 1720-1782) N Parham, Abraham 5/19/1763 20 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Poythress, Peter 7/7/1763 178 Amelia County
> N Claiborne, Leonard 7/7/1763 225 Dinwiddie County Poythress
> (c. 1720-1782) N Wilkerson, William 11/26/1763 595 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Parham, William 2/16/1764 198 Sussex County Poythress
> N Cryer, William, Jr. 4/23/1764 570 Amelia County Joseph Poythress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Holt, Dibdale 5/21/1764 200 Amelia County Peter Poythress
> N Pettway, John 6/21/1764 200 Sussex County Peter Poythress
> Y Thomas/Harper 6/5/1765 400 Dinwiddie County Francis Poythress
> N Atkinson, Roger 9/9/1765 100 Lunenburg County Thomas Prosise
> N Manire, William 5/18/1767 Amelia County Poythris
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/24/1767 50 Amelia County
> N Harper, Joseph, Jr. 3/18/1768 170 Amelia County Poythress
> N Wills, Elias 7/20/1768 204 Amelia County assignee of Fr. Poythress
> N Walker, John 11/17/1768 200 Sussex County Poythress
> N Poythress, John 2/21/1769 248 Lunenburg County
> N Jackson, Robert 3/15/1769 730 Sussex County Peter Poythress
> N Self, Jobe 4/17/1771 150 Bute County, NC Charles Bartholomew
> (c. 1730-1787) N Bland, John 11/12/1771 128 Amelia County Peter Poythress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 11/23/1771 6 Brunswick County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Broadnax, William 1/29/1772 200 Sussex County Maj. Peter
> Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Howell, Isaac 4/6/1772 644 Bute County, NC Charles
> Pouthress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Darwell, Buffington 8/15/1772 32 Dinwiddie County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Rives, William 5/13/1773 275 Brunswick County Thomas
> Poythress
> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Dawson, John 7/6/1773 525 Brunswick County Thomas
> Poythress
> (c.1726-1805) N Cogbill, Thomas 9/7/1773 161 Chesterfield County Tabitha
> Randolph
> (<1718-<1763) N Fitz, Henry 10/23/1773 322 Bute County, NC Charles
> Poytheress
> N Haskins, Christopher 3/24/1774 6 Brunswick County Peter Poythress
> N Poythress, Peter 1/7/1775 198 Sussex County
> (c. 1726-1805) N Randolph, John 5/31/1775 100 Chesterfield County Tabitha
> Randolph
> N Poythress, Peter 12/19/1776 133 Sussex County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 5/29/1780 13 Dinwiddie County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/20/1780 173 Prince George County
> (c. 1729-<1801) N Poythress, Thomas 10/10/1781 584? Brunswick County
> (c. 1760-c. 1845)Y Poythress, Meridith 9/22/1783 50 Brunswick County
> N Poythress, Mary 10/11/1784 177 Sussex County
> N Lewis, James 12/16/1784 100 Sussex County Mary Poythress
> N Cureton, William 6/21/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
> N Cureton, James 6/25/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
> N 8/12/1787 120 Greene County, GA Francis Poythrys
> N 8/1787 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
> N Call, William, Jr. 9/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Sturdivant, Daniel 10/5/1787 100 Prince George Co Mary Poythress
> N Mitchell, Reaps 12/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
> (1751-1794) N Parham, Abraham, Jr. 1/17/1788 170 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Mitchell, Reaps 8/18/1788 184 Sussex County William Poythress
> N 3/10/1789 250 Greene County, GA Francis Poythryss
> N Birchett, Robert 1/12/1790 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress, Jr., Gent.
> (c. 1765-1810) N McConnice, Chris. 2/25/1790 1 lot Prince George Co Wm.,
> s. of Peter Poythress
> N Peters, William 3/17/1790 296 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William, Jr. 5/13/1790 Pr. Geo. County executors of William
> Green
> N Poythress, William, Jr. 6/8/1790 296 Prince George Co
> N Marks, Edward 6/8/1790 400 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. P., Jr.(Poythress Qtr.)
> N Poythress, William 7/26/1790 Prince George County
> N Peachey, William S. 10/2/1790 300 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress (Flowerdew
> 100)
> N Poythress, Thomas 8/12/1791 85 Brunswick County
> N Baird, John 8/15/1791 15 Prince George County Wm. Poythress, Jr.
> N Mason, Winfield 2/12/1792 96 Sussex County Mary Poyther
> N Cureton, James 5/9/1792 102 3/4 Prince George County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William 5/9/1792 80½ Prince George County
> N Cureton, William 6/7/1792 40 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William 12/5/1794 518 Prince George Co Chas. Duncan
> (Charteris)
> Y Hicks, George 8/20/1795 85 Brunswick County Thomas Poythress
> N Cureton, James 9/21/1798 1,033 Prince George County William Poythress
> N Colley, Nathaniel 9/6/1800 212 Prince George County (Branchester)
> N 12/4/1800 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Giles, John 1/13/1801 100 Mecklenburg County Lewis
> Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/4/1801 104 Mecklenburg County
> N 11/30/1801 100 Greene County, GA Poythress
> N Poythress, (orphans) 5/8/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Thos. P. of Burke Co.
> N Mattox, William 6/15/1809 200 Prince George Co Poythress
> (c. 1782-1815) N Cleaton, Thomas 7/7/1809 50 Mecklenburg County Peter
> Poythress
> N Poythress, Elizabeth 11/10/1809 Wilkinson County, GA of Hancock Co.
> N Poythress, (orphans) 11/20/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Fr. P. of Hancock Co.
> N Epes, Peter 1/1811 Pr. Geo. Co Joshua, Wm., Thos. P.
> (c. 1769->1817) N Dickson, John/Robt. 7/13/1812 Burke County, GA Edward
> Poythress
> (c. 1780-1824) N Epes, Peter 12/1812 Prince George County Patrick H.
> Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/3/1813 33 Mecklenburg County
> N Risque, James B. 11/14/1815 100 Chesterfield County Poythress
> (Bloomsbury)
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 4/20/1816 138 Mecklenburg County
> (c. 1780->1830) N Poythress, Lilly 11/27/1820 160 Faulkner Co., Arkansas
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> (c. 1765-1832) N Poythress, George 5/8/1821 Georgia of Burke Co., GA
> N Poythress, Meredith 12/9/1823 202½ Houston County, GA of Screven Co., GA
> (c. 1785-1828) N Poythress, Cleaton 11/27/1824 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
> Y Poytress, Littlebury H. 7/23/1825 150 Granville County, NC
> N Poythress, James P. 6/21/1827 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
> N Poythress, James P. 1/26/1829 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
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Major Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
From the material organized and presented below, many questions should be
answered. It would seem that we have a decent outline of the "life stories"
of the first two Poythresses in this country, the emigrant, Captain Francis
Poythress, and his first born son, Major Francis Poythress.
The Second Generation: Major Francis Poythress, of Westover parish
R. Bolling Batte on Major Francis Poythress
[Francis Poythress (Mary ______1) was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major", and died ABT 1688 in VA. He married Rebecca Coggin, daughter of
John Coggin and ______ Bland. She was born BET 1630 AND 1660, and died in
VA. Children of Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin are:
18 i. Francis Poythress was born BEF 1688 in [(P_1) DA], and died AFT 1738
in Lived in Surry County, Virginia.
+19 ii. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1682 in VA [(P_1) DB], and died AFT 1733
in Living 1733.
+20 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1683 in VA [(P_1) DD].
21 iv. Thomas Poythress was born ABT 1683 in VA [(P_1) DE], and died ABT
1750.
+22 v. John Poythress was born BEF 1688 in VA [(P_1) DC], and died ABT
1724.]
[19. Anne Poythress (Francis Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born BEF 1682 in
VA [(P_1) DB], and died AFT 1733 in Living 1733. She married Burwell Green,
son of ______ Green. He was born in Surry County VA, and died BEF 1733.
Child of Anne Poythress and Burwell Green is:
+ 60 i. Sarah Green was born AFT 1700 in VA [(P_1) DBA].]
Family
Francis Poythress was born about 1639, in Charles City County, the son of
Captain Francis Poythress and Mary (Sloman?). He married Rebecca Coggin, the
daughter of Dr. John Coggin and Mrs. Joyce Boyce Tye. Their children were
(1) Francis, (2) Rebecca (c. 1679-aft. 3/13/1737), who probably married
Richard Pace; (3) John (c. 1681-bef. 5/12/1724), who married Mary
(Hardyman?); and, (4) Thomas (c. 1683-bef. 5/16/1749). Major Francis
Poythress died before April 3, 1688.
On October 12, 1665, Thomas Boyce and his wife, Emelia Craven, transferred
650 acres, her inheritance in Charles City County, from her grandfather,
Richard Craven, to Dr. John Coggin (c. 1620-c. 1698). Coggin had petitioned
the court on December 3, 1660, asking to be discharged by Thomas Boyce for
having provided Thomas "full satisfaction of all his estate and person from
Captain Richard Tye, deceased." Dr. Coggin had married Thomas Boyce's
mother, Mrs. Joyce Boyce Tye, in 1659. Her second husband, Richard Tye, died
in 1658. Richard and Joyce Boyce Tye had daughters, Elizabeth Tye and
Frances Tye. John and Joyce Coggin had daughter, Rebecca Coggin, about 1660.
Professional Life
On July 15, 1669, Mr. Thomas Newhouse, of Charles City County, was given
land for transporting Francis back into the colony.
On April 3, 1673, Captain Francis Poythress was a court justice at Westover,
in Charles City County, with Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
Edward Hill, Mr. John Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes and Mr. James Bisse. James
Bisse was the third husband of Mrs. Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy (1623-1694).
Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-), the son of Mr. Thomas Epes (1630-1679) and
Elizabeth, married a daughter of Mr. Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1677)
was the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1639-1688). John Drayton
married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill (1637-1700)
was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, the
deposition of William Vaughan, aged 48 years, sayeth that the next day after
the burial of Morgan Jones, his widow came to this deponents house
immediately I sent for Morgan Jones when he came he declared there was a
will of Morgan Jones, deceased at his home that he made when he lived
William Jordan withal told her where she might find it together with the
lease moreover he said he had another will of the said Morgan's, deceased,
at his own house which was made by him when he was last up in Appamatock
which was made since the other he replied that there was but one witness
that was himself which Morgan Jones did intend his country man Thomas Jones
should have been a witness to it and further sayeth not. William Vaughan.
Jurat Coram. Francis Poythress.
On June 4, 1673, the court, at Westover, was composed of Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
Lt. Col. John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Captain Otho
Southcott, Mr. James Bisse, Mr. Dan Clarke and Captain Francis Poythress. It
was decided at this court that only one ordinary would exist north of the
James River and that the court would not be moved from Westover for the next
twenty-one years. Francis was present in court for July, August, and
October, 1673, and in 1676.
On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
Judgement to Anthony Wyatt against Francis Poythress, attorney of James
Halladay for payment of 4 gallons of rum due by testimony of Robert Wynne.
In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered that
the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in command of
five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began. In
May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain by
Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his men
to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party of
Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon arrested
but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter, the
largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present location
of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be safe
from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire to
the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on the
James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester Point
where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to fight
Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon the
approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly arrived
support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
hanged many of them.
On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory, Captain
Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others, examined
various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to
the Governor and Council from Charles City County. This petition may have
pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances was also
nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in Charles
City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a number of men
for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as Allen had been
removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion. Among the
jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard Pace. The
action was withdrawn.
Francis was re-appointed as a court justice on November 19, 1677, and
appeared in court in November and December, 1677; and, April, June, August
and December, 1678. In March, 1679, at Westover court, as Major Francis
Poythress, he declared that he had impressed a cow valued at 450 pounds of
tobacco from John Hughson for the use of the soldiers. The certificate was
granted to the Assembly. On April 4, 1679, at Westover court, he was
involved in a case against William Hoskins that was dismissed. On December
5, 1678, he was ordered to collect taxes in Jordan's parish and appeared in
court as a justice in February, March and April, 1679, and February, 1680.
In February, 1679, the members of the court were Colonel Edward Hill, Lt.
Col. Daniel Clarke, Major John Stith, Lt. Col. Thomas Grendon, Mr. Thomas
Blayton, Mr. Bernard Sikes, Major Francis Poythress and Mr. Henry Batte.
The court was held at Flowerdew Hundred at the house of Captain Robert Lucy
on February 3, 1681, with Lt. Col. Clark, Captain Batt, Major Francis
Poythress, Mr. Drayton, Captain Wyatt and Mr. Netherland. Colonel Hill, Lt.
Colonel Clark, Captain Llewellin, Major Francis Poythress, Captain Batt, Mr.
John Drayton and Mr. Netherland were present as justices in the last entry
of 1681 for Charles City County.
Francis was present in the Charles City County court, as a justice, in
February, 1686. Sometime between the February 3, 1686, court record and the
April, 1688, court record, Francis made a trip to England and returned to
Virginia. He was treated by Dr. James Tubb but subsequently died. His lack
of attendance at court was noted on February 3, 1688, and at the April 3,
1688, court, a request was made to fill two positions, one of these
positions was vacant due to his death. The records for February 3, 1688, at
Westover court, noted that Major Francis Poythress, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
Captain Henry Batte and Mr. Robert Netherland had not been in attendance to
do their duty as justices and therefore had left the court weakened. On
April 3, 1688, it was requested of the Burgesses that Mr. John Taylor and
Mr. Robert Bolling be added as justices due to the lack of attendance of
Poythress, Batte and Netherland.
Civic Activities
In December, 1685, Mr. Peter Read and Francis became joint administrators of
the estate of Ann Young, deceased. In February, 1686, in Charles City
County, Francis and Mr. Robert Bolling gave a joint bond of £60 on the
estate of Ann Young. Peter Read and Mr. John Jane gave a bond in the same
amount. John Jane was Francis' brother-in-law. On December 4, 1694, at
Westover court, Henry Reed exhibited a bill in Chancery against Charles
Bartholomew and Rebecca, his wife, the executrix of Major Francis Poythress.
Francis had inventoried Ann Young's estate and had appraised it at a value
of 5,664 pounds of tobacco. He and Peter Read, Ann Young's father, had been
granted administration on the estate. Francis held 1,882 pounds of tobacco
from the administration of this estate when he had shortly afterwards gone
to England, and subsequently died prior to John Young, Ann Young's son,
coming to legal age. John Young requested the recovery of the 1,882 pounds
of tobacco, his inheritance, and prayed that Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer the suit. It was ordered that the
Bartholomews answer the suit at the next court, and that a dedimus
potestatum be issued to Captain Peter Perry, Mr. Henry Batte, Captain
Charles Goodrich, Mr. Robert Bolling and Mr. Richard Bland, to administer
oaths to the Bartholomews. Neither of them appeared and the case was
dismissed.
Property: Personal Property and Land
On June 3, 1665, in Westover court, in Charles City County, Frances proved
his right, by the testimony of his step-father, Captain Robert Wynne, to 450
acres of land, for transporting nine headrights into the colony, including
himself and Thomas Mallory (c. 1635-1678), son of Thomas Mallory (c.
1605-1671).
The winter of 1672/3 was the hardest season ever experienced by the colony
when 50,000 cattle perished. In 1673, Lord Arlington and Lord Culpepper were
granted all of the territory in Virginia, including settled and improved
plantations, for a term of thirty-one years. They were also granted the
power to assign vacant lands and make appointments to different offices.
King Charles II had turned Virginia into a proprietary government.
On September 21, 1681, Francis Poythress, was granted 609 acres, in Charles
City County, on the south side of the Blackwater River, crossing the
Nottaway path, near the line of Captain Robert Lucy, by Townes' Quarter, and
adjoining Hercules Flood. On April 20, 1682, he was granted 750 acres, in
Charles City County, previously the land of Thomas Morgan, deceased, and
found to be escheated land. On November 20, 1683, Francis Poythress, was
granted 1,250 acres, in Jordan's parish, in Charles City County, on the
south side of the James River adjacent to Sampson Ellis, Mr. Henry Batt, Mr.
John Woodley, James Mumford, and some of his previous land. Some of Francis'
land bordered on Colonel Edward Hill's land, which also bordered on lands
belonging to Roger Tilman, James Binford, Robert Abernathy, and Wallace.
On February 3, 1686, a stray negro, named Tony, was ordered to live with
Francis.
At Francis' death, he had received grants totaling 3,059 acres, at least
1,250 acres were in Jordan's parish and at least 609 acres was south of the
Blackwater River.
On April 29, 1692, 1,000 acres was granted to Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, land
that was in the tenure of Edward Ardington, and found to escheat.
On February 3, 1693, a deed of land was conveyed from Mrs. Rebecca Poythress
to Joshua Wynne with Charles Bartholomew, William Epes and Elizabeth Smith,
witnesses. Rebecca had given Charles Bartholomew power of attorney to convey
this land. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son of Francis Epes and
Elizabeth Littlebury and the older brother of Colonel Littlebury Epes
(1664-1743). Joshua Wynne was Francis' half-brother.
Adjoining Property
On April 20, 1680, William Edmonds and John Williams were granted 888 acres
adjoining Francis Poythress, on the south side of the James River, on the
Reedy branch, of Jordan's Parish, in Charles City County.
On April 20, 1687, Charles Goodrich was granted 550 acres on the south side
of the James River, in Westover parish, adjoining Daniel Higdon, William
Edmunds, John Williams, Mr. Bates and Major Francis Poythress.
On April 20, 1687, Mr. Thomas Wynne was granted 280 acres on the south side
of the James River, in Jordan's parish, adjoining his half-brother, Major
Francis Poythress, his brother, Mr. Joshua Wynne, Mr. Fountain and Mr. Batt.
On April 20, 1689, James Mumford was granted 50 1/4 acres, on the south side
of the James River, in Westover parish, in Charles City County, adjoining
Mr. John Woodlief and Major Francis Poythress.
On April 21, 1690, Hercules Flood was granted 1,254 acres, upon the
Blackwater River, on the east side of the Reedy branch, adjoining William
Harris, Adam Tapley, Captain Henry Batts and Major Francis Poythress, on the
long meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level.
On April 21, 1690, Adam Tapley and William Harrison were granted 1,078
acres, on the south side of the James River, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
City County, adjoining Major Francis Poythress and Nicholas Whitmore.
On April 21, 1690, Thomas Wynne was granted 659 acres, on the Blackwater
River, adjoining to John Wallace, Hercules Flood, Major Francis Poythress
and John Williams, to the mouth of Bland's branch and across Bland's branch.
On May 2, 1705, John Hamlin was granted 550 acres, on the south side of the
James River, in Westover parish, in Charles City County, adjoining Daniel
Higdon, William Edmonds, John Williams, Mr. Bates and Major Francis
Poythress.
On November 2, 1705, Richard Bland was granted 1,254 acres, deserted by
Hercules Flood, upon the Blackwater River, on the east side of the Reedy
branch, on the long meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level, adjoining Major
Francis Poythress, William Harris, Adam Tapley, and Captain Henry Batts.
Seventeen years after Francis' death, his land was still referred to in
adjoining deeds.
Court Cases
On June 19, 1665, Francis Poythress and Thomas Mallory were witnesses in
Westover court regarding Richard Wedgeborrow, and on February 4, 1673, and
April 3, 1673, as a witness to a deposition made by William Vaughn regarding
the Will of Morgan Jones, and in 1687, he was subpoenaed as a witness in the
case of Dr. John Terry against James Roberts. In 1688, a judgement was
granted Jo. Wynne, the attorney for Francis Poythress, in a case against the
estate of John Peters, deceased.
Family Estates
Colonel Robert Wynne made his wife, Mary Poythress Wynne, the administratrix
of his Will dated July 1, 1675, and made his friend, Thomas Grendon, and his
"son-in-law," Francis Poythress, overseers of his Will. Robert's Will was
proved in court, in May, 1677. None of his sons were of age when the Will
was proved, but his daughter, Mary, was married to John Woodlief. Captain
Francis Poythress, his step-son, was one of the overseers of the Will and
his half-brothers, Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his half-sister, Mary
Woodlief, were the beneficiaries of the Will.
After Francis Poythress' Death
In April, 1688, Captain Henry Batte, Mr. Robert Bolling and Mr. John
Hardiman, were assigned to value the goods and chattels of Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, and Captain Perry was to swear them at the next court.
The court was held at the house of Major Francis Poythress on January 8,
1689, wherein "administration with ye Will annexed" was granted to Mrs.
Rebecca Poythress, his widow. On February 4, 1689, Dr. James Tubb was
granted judgement against the estate of Major Francis Poythress, deceased,
for physical means administered in his last sickness. On April 3, 1689,
Batte, Bolling and Hardiman were assigned to value the estate of Francis
Poythress, deceased, and Captain Perry was to swear them.
On June 22, 1691, at Westover court, Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, administratrix
with Will annexed of Francis Poythress, deceased, versus Mr. John Everitt,
the suit was referred to the next court and on August 3, 1691, a non suit
was granted in the case.
On September 15, 1692, at Westover court, Captain Peter Perry and Mr.
Richard Bland administered the oath to Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, the relict
and administratrix with Will annexed of Francis Poythress, deceased, to make
inventory of the estate.
On October 30, 1693, Richard Tibbott, mariner, and acting attorney for
Thomas Crane brought suit to receive from the heirs and executors of Francis
Poythress, deceased, £10 with interest. Tibbott substituted Captain Peter,
Perry of Charles City County, to act as attorney.
On April 3, 1695, at Westover court, Thomas Crane, of London, Gentleman, by
his attorney, Captain Peter Perry, against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca ,
his wife, executrix of Francis Poythress, failing to prosecute, the case was
dismissed.
Rebecca Coggin Poythress' Second Marriage
On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William Randolph,
exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the court to
provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall marry
within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall marry
his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew Frances,
the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the relict
of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca and
that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse fathers.
On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently live
together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he knew
both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters and
daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented John
Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard Mrs.
Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
(1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John Jane
(-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her death. He
subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The witness,
John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis Poythress'
brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
approximately the same age.
Prince George County was formed from the part of Charles City County that
lay on the south side of the James River. The Virginia General Assembly
authorized the formation of the county in 1702, but it was not completely
organized until July, 1703. Queen Anne had ascended to the English throne,
in 1702, and the new county was named to honor her husband, Prince George,
of Denmark. There were three parishes in the new county, Westover, Weyanoke
and Bristol.
In the Quit Rent Rolls for Prince George County, in 1704, Charles
Bartholomew, husband of Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew, paid quit rents on
600 acres.
On September 10, 1711, in Prince George County, Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca Bartholomew, for love and affection to their daughter, Anne
Bartholomew, after their decease, was to receive 200 acres on both sides of
Easterly Run in Westover Parish, being the remainder of 1,000 acres granted
to Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew, in her widowhood, by an escheated patent
dated April 29, 1692, 500 acres of the land belonging to Colonel Littlebury
Epes, and the other 300 acres was to be given by them to Rebecca Poythress
by deed of gift. The 200 acres was bounded by Rebecca Poythress' 300 acres.
The witnesses were John Woodlief, Richard Walpole and John Denton. In the
second entry for this date, Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca Bartholomew of
Prince George County, for love and affection to their daughter, Rebecca
Poythress, of the same county, was deeded 300 acres of land on a branch of
Easterly Run in Prince George County, in Westover parish, which was a part
of the 1,000 acres granted to Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew, in her
widowhood, half of the land belonging to Colonel Littlebury Epes, and was
bounded by the innermost sides of the patent, path from Jordans to
Blackwater, with all houses, etc. The quit rents were to be paid by Charles
and Rebecca Bartholomew for two years. The witnesses were the same as for
the previous entry. Colonel Littlebury Eppes was a son of Francis Epes and
Elizabeth Littlebury. In l698, he acknowledged receipt of his share of his
father's estate and always remained a resident of Charles City County. He
had a half interest in the tract of 1,000 acres of land patented in 1692 by
Rebecca Poythress. He was listed in the Virginia Quit Rents Roll of 1704 as
having 400 acres in Charles City County and 833 acres in Prince George
County. He witnessed the will of William Byrd I of Westover in 1705. He was
active for many years in the public affairs of Charles City County, as a
Sheriff, a Burgess, and as a Colonel of the militia. His will was probated
in Charles City County, in 1743, by his executor, Llewellyn Eppes, and was
proved by John Wayles, Richard Royall, and Littlebury Royall. He was
approximately 79 years old at his death. His wife was said to have been a
daughter of Daniel Llewellyn after whom his oldest son was named.
On December 11, 1721, in Prince George County, Burrell Green and Ann, his
wife, and Francis Poythress, of the County of Surry, sold to Robert
Hunnicut, of the County of Prince George, shoemaker, for the sum of 5
shillings, a deed for lease, "one tract of land of 200 acres, being in the
County of Prince George, on both sides of the Easterly Run, the same being
part of a patent for 1,000 acres of land granted to Rebecca Poythress by an
escheated patent bearing the date of April 29, 1692, half of the land being
in the possession of Littlebury Eppes and 300 acres more of the land was
given to Rebecca Poythress, the daughter of Rebecca Poythress, the patentee,
the residue thereof was given to the aforesaid Ann." The land was bounded by
Rebecca Poythress' 300 acres and the other side by the courses of the patent
and deed of sale from Batts to Ardington. The witnesses were Joseph Simmons,
Abraham Odium and James Jones. On the following day, Burrell Green and his
wife, Ann, and Francis Poythress, of the County of Surry, deeded to Robert
Hunnicutt, of the County of Prince George, for the sum of 21 pounds, 10
shillings; "the tract or parcel of land containing 200 acres in Prince
George County on both sides of the Easterly Run and part of a patent bearing
the date of April 29, 1692, half of the land being in the possession of
Littlebury Eppes and 300 acres more of the land was given to Rebecca
Poythress, the daughter of the aforesaid Rebecca Poythress, the grantee and
the residue thereof hereby granted was given to Ann, after one year
ownership for and in consideration of 21 pounds, 10 shillings." The
witnesses remained the same as the previous day.
12/11/2005 3:09:39
Mr. John Poythress, Sr., of Deep Bottom, in Prince George County
Michael Tutor
John is the second son of Captain Francis Poythress and his descendants seem
to have been the most documented of the two Poythress brothers of the second
generation. He seems to have provided his sons with property both in Prince
George County and in Surry County but his sons, seemed to almost always
address themselves as "of Prince George County."
As to Bon Accord, Lou Poole has addressed this property extensively on the
Poythress website. It is still quite tricky to determine locations and
boundaries on the very old documents.
It is interesting to note in the court record that John "administered
physick to Edward Foster."
As usual, I have tried to eliminate as many typographical mistakes and other
problems in the material as possible but I am sure some still exist.
The Second Generation: Mr. John Poythress, Sr., of Deep Bottom, in Prince
George County
R. Bolling Batte on John Poythress
[2 John Poythress m. Christian Peebles, daughter of David and Elizabeth ( )
Peebles. In 1661, Edward Hill deeded 50 acres in Charles City County, adj.
Capt. Robert Wynne, to John Poythress, "son of Captain Francis Poythress,
dec'd."
22 Elizabeth Poythress m. (1) John Fitzgerald, who died around 1736. Among
her Fitzgerald children were: A- Francis Fitzgerald who married (1) Mary
Epes 122 125, and B-Elizabeth Fitzgerald who m. Archibald Robertson and was
the mother of the wife of Joshua Poythress 211 1. Elizabeth (Poythress)
Fitzgerald m. (2) Thomas Epes 132 3, who died in Pr. Geo. in 1743. There are
many descendants of this second marriage, especially through Mary Epes 132
31, who m. Col. David Mason of Sussex.
23 Christian Poythress. The only knowledge we have of her existence was her
appearance as a witness on the 1740 will of Joshua Poythress 21. Presumably
she was his sister. 1740 seems much too late for the signature to be that of
Christian (Peebles) Poythress, their mother.]
[2. John Poythress (Mary ______1) was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B],
and died AFT 1694 in ~ Virginia. He married Christian Peebles, daughter of
David Peebles and Elizabeth ______. She was born BET 1628 AND 1650, and died
AFT 1694 in Probably Charles City, VA.
Children of John Poythress and Christian Peebles are:
+ 10 i. John Poythress was born ABT 1664 in VA [(P_1) BF], and died AFT
1726.
+ 11 ii. David Poythress was born in VA [(P_1) BD], and died ABT 1739.
12 iii. Christian Poythress was born in VA (P_1) [BC].
+ 13 iv. Joshua Poythress was born BEF 1689 in VA of "Flower de Hundred"
[(P_1) BA] Also of "High Peaks", and died 1739 in Prince George County VA.
+ 14 v. Elizabeth Poythress was born BEF 1690 in ~Virginia.
+ 15 vi. Peter Poythress was born ABT 1690 in VA [(P_1) BG][ also 142
C]"Flowerdew Hundred".
+ 16 vii. Robert Poythress was born 1690 in ~Virginia [(P_1) BH], and died
ABT 1747 in ~ Virginia, will in 1743.
+ 17 viii. William Poythress was born 1694 in Charles City County, VA [(P_1)
BE], and died 18 JAN 1763 in Dinwiddie County, VA.]
[14. Elizabeth Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born BEF 1690
in ~Virginia. She married John Fitzgerald. He was born BEF 1715, and died
AFT 1772 in Prince George County. She married Thomas Epes in This marriage
is in doubt, but on Chart A and FitzgeraldA, Card 64., son of John Epes and
______. He was born in [(E_1) 132 3] See source notes of question about this
marriage., and died 1743 in Prince George Co. VA; Children are given on his
card.. He was buried in Elizabeth Erased from his card..
Children of Elizabeth Poythress and John Fitzgerald are:
+ 44 i. Elizabeth Fitzgerald was born AFT 1715 in Prince George County, VA
[(P_1) BBC].
+ 45 ii. William Fitzgerald was born ABT 1730 in Prince George County, VA,
and died 1771 in "Leinster" Nottoway County (then Amelia), VA.
+ 46 iii. Francis Fitzgerald was born BEF 1770 in of "The Castle" at
Nottoway, VA [(P_1) BBB].
Children of Elizabeth Poythress and Thomas Epes are:
47 i. Thomas Epes was born in [Mother given in doubt].
+ 48 ii. Mary Epes was born BEF 1736 in [(E_1) 132 31] [Mother given in
doubt].]
Family
John Poythress was born about 1640, in Charles City County, the son of
Captain Francis Poythress and Mary (Sloman?). He married Christian Peebles,
the daughter of David Peebles and Elizabeth Bishop. Their children were (1)
John (c. 1672-aft. 5/27/1726), who married Mary Batte, the daughter of Henry
Batte and Mary Lound; (2) Peter (c. 1674-bef. 2/1763), who married Mrs. Anne
Jones Baker, possibly the daughter of Henry and Catherine Jones; (3) Francis
(c. 1675-bef. 3/1738), who married Hannah Poythress, possibly the daughter
of Thomas Ravenscroft and Elizabeth Hamlin; (4) Mary (c. 1678-), who married
John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief and Mary Wynne; (5) Christian (c.
1680-), who may have married John Ivey, the son of Adam and Elizabeth Ivey;
(6) David (c. 1685-bef. 4/8/1740); (7) Joshua (c. 1688-bef. 4/8/1741), who
probably married a daughter of John Hardyman and Mary Epes; (8) Robert
Poythress (1690-bef. 9/13/1743), who married Elizabeth (Cocke?), the
daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth Pleasants; (9) William
(1694-1/18/1763), who married Sarah Epes, the daughter of Francis Epes and
Anne Isham; (10) Elizabeth (c. 1696-), who married (1) John Fitzgerald and
(2) Thomas Epes, the son of John Epes. John Poythress died before December
11, 1712.
Civic Activities
In March, 1662, Captain Robert Wynne and Captain John Epes were involved in
settling the boundary between Westover parish and Martin's Brandon parish.
In May, 1665, in Charles City County, John Poythress was a juryman in the
case of baby, Katherine Lanier, the daughter of John Lanier. The other
jurymen were Thomas Holford, Richard Dodd, Thomas T. Cureton, James Blamore,
Thomas T. Chappell, Thomas T. Douglas, Robert Abernathy, Byron Connell,
Edward Amas, Thomas Parham, Robert R. Godwin and Parcevall Barton.
On September 14, 1677, at Westover court, action was taken against a number
of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as Allen had
been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion. Among the
jury, was Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard Pace. The action was
withdrawn.
On February 4, 1689, at Westover court, administration was granted Sarah
Wallace, the relict of John Wallace, on his estate. Mr. James Munford, John
and ---- Woodlief and John Poythress were to value the estate.
On August 3, 1691, at Westover court, George Woodlief and John Poythress
were assigned to value what goods Mr. John Hardiman had attached belonging
to the estate of George Taylor and return to the next court. John Hardyman
(-1711) was the husband of Mary Epes (1666-aft. 1726), the daughter of
Francis Epes and Elizabeth (Littlebury).
On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, Joseph Perry brought action against
Thomas Harrison for defamatory words, in the amount of £10,000 tobacco
damages. A jury was empaneled that included John Poythress. The jury found
for the defendant.
On August 3, 1694, at Westover court, in the case of William Harrison versus
William Wiggins, a jury was sworn that included John Poythress. The parties
agreed on a settlement in the presence of the jury. John Hardiman was the
foreman of the jury.
On November 9, 1694, at Westover court, John Poythress was impaneled on a
jury in the case of John King versus William Walker.
Prince George County was formed from the part of Charles City County that
lay on the south side of the James River. The Virginia General Assembly
authorized the formation of the county in 1702, but it was not completely
organized until July, 1703. Queen Anne had ascended to the English throne,
in 1702, and the new county was named to honor her husband, Prince George,
of Denmark. There were three parishes in the new county, Westover, Weyanoke
and Bristol.
Court Cases
On April 4, 1689, judgement was granted John Poythress against the estate of
Edward Foster, for 902 pounds of tobacco, for "physick administered said
Foster."
Property: Land
In April, 1661, in Charles City County, Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, a
justice of the Charles City County court, gave John Poythress, the son of
Frances Poythress, deceased, fifty acres at Jordan's adjacent to land
occupied by Captain Robert Wynne.
On September 20, 1699, in Surry County, John Poythress claimed 350 acres of
land by seating it. It was therefore ordered that the Surveyor of the County
survey and lay out the land for him sometime after the sixth day of the next
General Court. John was to produce "such rights as shall bee allowed by the
Honorable General Court and that the Survey thereof be returned on the first
Tuesday in April next." From the same period of Surry County court records,
John Poythress was involved in the following case. William Hunt returned a
survey of 4,342 acres which did not agree with a former survey by which he
obtained an order from the court for surveying 3,200 acres. He affirmed that
he had entered for a greater quantity than the survey now expressed. It was
therefore referred to the fourth day of the next meeting, which was to be
September 4th, at which time "he may be enabled to produce the said entry
which may manifest his right thereto."
On October 24, 1701, in Charles City County, John Poythress, Sr., of Deep
Bottom, was granted 350 acres on the north side of the Nottaway River on the
upward end of Umatora Old Fields running along the head line of a tract of
950 acres of land taken up and patented by Hugh Lee, Jr., and by him sold to
William Jones, Sr., Robert Hix, Thomas Taylor, Sr., and John Roberts, to a
fork of the Myory branch that parts Umatora Old Fields, to the Indian Swamp.
According to Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., this deed referred to John
Poythress, of Deep Bottom, the son of Captain Francis Poythress. This land
was later willed to his son, Robert Poythress, on December 11, 1712.
According to the above grants, John Poythress held 400 acres of land, but we
know that he held more than this by the time of his Will that was proved
December 11, 1712. According to his Will, he possessed 300 acres at
Tunnatorah that he left to his son, David, and 300 acres at Monkasoneck that
he left to his son, Joshua. We know that he left the 350 acres at the Indian
Swamp to his son, Robert. He stated, in his Will, that he was leaving the
land and plantation that he lived on to his son, Francis. If he left an
equivalent amount of land to his son, Francis, it would signify that he
owned at least 1,250 acres of land. He had evidently taken care of his sons,
John and Peter, and may have left instructions with John and Peter to take
care of his youngest son, William. He also named twenty-five slaves and one
servant in his Will.
Adjoining and Pertinent Property
On June 14, 1665, Mr. John Drayton (Jr.) was granted 150 acres, in Charles
City County, lying on Powell's Creek and Reedy Swamp bounded on the south
and the west by Mr. David Peoples, on the east by the woods and on the north
by Reedy Swamp, the land having been formerly granted to James Ward by a
patent dated June 7, 1651, and by James Ward assigned and set over to Mrs.
Elizabeth Peoples January 12, 1658, and now due unto the said Mr. John
Drayton as marrying the said Elizabeth. John Drayton married Mrs. Elizabeth
Bishop Peebles, the widow of David Peebles (c. 1610-1657) about 1657. She
was the mother of Christian Peebles who married John Poythress about 1672.
On February 4, 1678, Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles Drayton was given
administration on John Drayton's estate. On June 3, 1679, she sold to Adam
Tapley land that included at least some of this tract. The land adjoining
the eastern boundary of this property was patented by Simon Simons, whose
granddaughter, Mary, married Thomas Busby.
On April 26, 1688, Thomas Busby was granted 539 acres, in Charles City
County, on the south side of the James River, partly in Weyanoke parish, and
partly in Westover parish, on a branch of Powell's Creek called the Reedy
Bottom branch, that included the 359 acres that had been possessed by Simon
Simons, and the 150 acres, which were the deserted lands of James Ward,
deceased, land that had passed to Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles Drayton.
This property adjoined William Harrison, John Hobbs and John Poythress.
On December 18, 1688, at Westover court, John Poythress "as marrying
Christian, daughter of Elizabeth Peebles," brought a suit against Thomas
Busby for infringement on his land. The case was continued to the next court
date as James Wallace was sick and could not attend. Robert Bolling and John
Taylor were to take Wallace's oath and report to the next court. On February
4, 1689, the suit of John Poythress, as marrying Christian, the daughter of
Elizabeth Peebles, versus Thomas Busby, was continued to the next court date
and on April 4, 1689, the case was continued again to the next court date.
On August 5, 1689, at Westover court, the case of John Poythress, as
marrying the daughter of Elizabeth Peebles, against Thomas Busby, was "let
fall in court" and he "avers that the land claimed by him is in a plat drawn
by Mr. James Minge called Bonnicord Plat." It is believed that Bon Accord
passed to the Poythress family through John Poythress' marriage and his
possible purchase of additional land.
On October 24, 1702, a patent was issued to Thomas Wynne for 200 acres, in
Charles City County, on the south side of Jones Hole Swamp and on the north
side of the Nottoway River adjoining the land of Hugh Lee, Jr., that was in
the possession of William Jones, Robert Hix and John Roberts. This land
would have been close to the land belonging to his half-brother, John
Poythress.
Court Cases
On November 2, 1683, in Henrico County, John Poythress and Henry Printall
witnessed an indenture between Jeremiah Chaplin and Edward Hatcher, John
Milner and Michael Turpin. Hatcher, Milner and Turpin assigned their
interest over to Edmund Belsher. When this agreement was registered on
February 1, 1686, it was witnessed by Stephen Cocke, Gilbert Elam and
Michael Turpin.
In 1694, Indians were still a problem for the colonists. William Hatcher had
related to William Puckett and Thomas Jefferson that Mrs. Bannister, the
wife of Stephen Cocke, and nine other people were hung to tenter hooks by
Indians, and that Jack Come Last, an Indian that belonged to Mr. Peter
Jones, was drawn and quartered and thrown among them and Mr. Stephen Cocke
and Mr. Jones had gone aboard a vessel in the river. This story proved false
and Edward Hatcher was summonsed before the court justices and tried for
spreading false alarms.
John Poythress' Will
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George
County, proved December 11, 1712.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now live
on, to him and his heirs forever.
I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and to
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp, to
him and his heirs forever.
I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of the
Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale of
the said fifty acres of land.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
Frank Cook at nattuah.
I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
increase.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their increase.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse and
Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own disposing.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
Tom.
I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John Cook.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field, during
his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a cow
and calf and a new gun.
I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
account of what they have in hand.
I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the negro
child, Shu, goes with all.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu and
Jude, as her own proper estate to be
at her own disposing.
I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of this
my last will and testament.
I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to
be the dividers of my estate.
Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter Leeth,
Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The written
last Will and testament of Mr. John Poythress, deceased, was proved in open
court by the oaths of John Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback,
the witnesses thereto and the probation thereof granted John Poythress,
executor, and Christian Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein
and at their motion the same is admitted to record.
In June, 1717, in Prince George County, in the suit in Chancery brought by
Charles Anderson against John Poythress and Henry Offley, neither party
appearing, the case was dismissed. However, in another entry, Charles
Anderson, having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythress, executor
of John Poythress, deceased, and Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant, it
was ordered that a summons be issued against the said John Poythress and
Henry Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges. Under
the date of July 9, 1717, in Prince George County, was an identical entry to
the text above, regarding Charles Anderson. (It is speculated that the court
took action in July identical to that taken in June, and the clerk, seeing
no point in re-composing the entries, simply duplicated them). August 13,
1717, in Prince George County, the suit in Chancery brought by Charles
Anderson against Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythress,
surviving executor of the last Will and testament of John Poythress,
deceased. Thomas Simmons, sub-Sheriff, took oath to the service of the Writ
and charged Poythress and he failing to appear, an attachment was granted
the complainant against the body of the said Poythress returnable to the
next court and it was ordered that the said summons was also against the
said Offley returnable to the next court. September 10, 1717, in Prince
George County, in the case of Charles Anderson versus Henry Offley, late of
London, Merchant, and John Poythress, executor of John Poythress, deceased,
John Poythress appeared and said that he had in his hands money enough of
Offley's to pay the plaintiff £19/1/3, and that he would pay. December 11,
1717, in Prince George County, in the chancery suit of Walter Vernon versus
John Poythress, surviving executor of the Will of John Poythress, deceased,
the defendant appeared and was granted time to answer. March 11, 1718, in
Prince George County, in the suit of chancery of Walter Vernon versus John
Poythress, the surviving executor of John Poythress, deceased, the plaintiff
had until the next court to file a reply to the defendant's answer. January
13, 1719, in Prince George County, the entry was identical to the text above
regarding Charles Anderson on July 9, 1717.
12/11/2005 3:44:53
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
Mike, I am overwhelmed by your detailed story based on Major Joshua
Wynne. It gratifies my heart so much good to know there is at least one
person (I know there are more) who has worked as hard as I "think" I
have on the family of Colonel Robert Wynne of Virginia. I hope you are
planning on publishing your work. Before you do, I want to go over my
information and compare it to yours to see if there is anything I can
add. You have done a very comprehensive job! This may sound "corny"
but You have done something that will help genealogists for years to
come. Thank you, thank you. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
cousins.
Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
[7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
Peter
Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
+ 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
+ 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
28 v. Frances Wynne.
29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
+ 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
Family
Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
City
County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
Robert
Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
man
in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
October
8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
his
600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
Jones
about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
and
Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
that
negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
who
led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
(2)
Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
Worsham
and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
Mary;
(5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
William
Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
Indians
because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
men.
Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
aggressors
and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
the
Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
that
the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
Son, Peter Wynne
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
Ann
Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
Anderson.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
acres, on
Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
Wynne,
Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
Hamlin,
deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
to
John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
of
the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
Meredith
one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
his
security.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
the
same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
lived,
being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
Bonner
and Thomas Poythress.
On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
Goodwynn
(not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
lands
lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
back of
the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
named
Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
Thomas
Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
the
day and year within mentioned.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
Poythress,
the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
languishes.
On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
Thomas
Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
witnesses.
Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
John
Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
on
the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
were
Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
witnessed
by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
Eldridge
was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
and
Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
October 1, 1729.
To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
son,
William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
daughter,
my granddaughter.
To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
To son, William, items.
To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
Martha
Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
To grandson, Isham Epes.
To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
and
various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
were
Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
Ann
Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
Anderson.
On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George
County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
the
same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
Pace,
and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
Richard
Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
and
Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
of
John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
daughter
of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
Wynne
(1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
1720.
I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
third
part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
their
increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
featherbed.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
to
him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
High
Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
heirs
forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
Prince
George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
Richard
Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
hereafter
named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
if
any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
each of
them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
making
void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
court
held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
proved
by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
witnesses
thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
the
said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
Certificate
was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
the
estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
return
the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
(1694-1729)
was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
Son, Robert Wynne
In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
probated May 21, 1718.
A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
shilling each.
To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
then
to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
Professional Life
On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
Mrs.
Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
of
Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
Reed
exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
his
wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
one,
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
was
thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
Poythress
and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
of
the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
of
said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
shortly
afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
begs
recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
to
England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
ship
owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
the
Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
Batte,
Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
Rebecca,
the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
and
Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
same.
Peter Perry.
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
and
James Thweatt.
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
1703,
the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
Wynne
and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
the
Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
averting a
tribal war.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
were to
ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
Gentleman,
aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
Frances
Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
1730s). John Poythress(3)
was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
(1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
Nottoway
River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
the
name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
or
has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
the
chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
where
Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
Monksneck
Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
is on
the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
places,
and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
and
then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
the
place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
Unote,
and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
Taurara,
but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
12,
1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
Thweatt
owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
was in
Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
in
Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
he
swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
William
Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
James
Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
James
Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
June
14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
commission
from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
sterling.
Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
the
same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
of
age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
Property: Land
On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
On
February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
from
Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
Bartholomew,
William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
of
Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
side of
the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
Poythress
and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
Elizabeth Burwell.
Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
in
1708.
As Witness
On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
Randolph,
exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
court to
provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
marry
within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
marry
his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
Frances,
the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
relict
of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
and
that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
fathers.
On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
live
together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
knew
both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
and
daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
John
Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
Mrs.
Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
(1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
Jane
(-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
death. He
subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
witness,
John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
Poythress'
brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
approximately the same age.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
and
testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
Henry
Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
Littlebury
Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
the
original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
any
blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
1705, at
Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
the
back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
her
Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
Francis
Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
and
Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
Elizabeth
Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
(1658-1718),
daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
William
Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
at
Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
plantation
and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
endorsement
making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
son,
Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
(1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
married Elizabeth Shands.
Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
George
County, proved December 11, 1712.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
live
on, to him and his heirs forever.
I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
to
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
to
him and his heirs forever.
I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
the
Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
of
the said fifty acres of land.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
Frank Cook at nattuah.
I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
increase.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
increase.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
and
Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
disposing.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
Tom.
I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
Cook.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
during
his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
cow
and calf and a new gun.
I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
account of what they have in hand.
I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
negro
child, Shu, goes with all.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
and
Jude, as her own proper estate to be
at her own disposing.
I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
this
my last will and testament.
I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
Stainback to
be the dividers of my estate.
Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
Leeth,
Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
written
last Will and testament of Mr. John
Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
and
the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
the
same is admitted to record.
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Captain Thomas Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
The Wynne, Woodlief and Poythress families were very closely intertwined for
many years. I hope that we can define all of those relationships. Thomas was
the oldest Wynne son and records indicate the year of his birth. His
half-brother, John Poythress, of Deep Bottom, named him and half-brother,
Joshua Wynne, in his 1712 Will. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew sold
land to her brother-in-law, Joshua Poythress. The Indian trade was a big
business for all of these families and included the influential Byrd family.
The Second Generation: Captain Thomas Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
R. Bolling Batte on Thomas Wynne
[9. Thomas Wynne (Mary ______1) was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA,
and died 1717. He married Agnes Stith, daughter of John Stith and Jane
______. She died AFT 1694 in [will of father]. He married ______ ______.
Children of Thomas Wynne and Agnes Stith are:
+ 32 i. Thomas Wynne.
33 ii. Lucy Wynne.
34 iii. Mary Wynne. She married Nathanial Malone.
+ 35 iv. Robert Wynne died 23 JUL 1754 in Sussex County, Virginia.]
Family
Thomas Wynne was born in 1657, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary
(Sloman?) Poythress. He married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
Jane Mosbey. Their children were (1) Thomas Wynne (c.1680-), who married
Anne Bolling, the daughter of Robert Bolling and Anne Stith; (2) Lucy Wynne
(c. 1681-), who married John Cox; (3) Robert Wynne (c. 1685-7/23/1754), who
married Martha Jefferson, the daughter of Thomas Jefferson and Mary Branch;
(4) Mary Wynne (c. 1689-), who married Nathaniel Malone; and, (5) Sloman
Wynne (-aft.1760), who married Mary. Thomas died in 1717 in Surry County.
Professional Life
On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to Mrs.
Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed of
Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry Reed
exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca, his
wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that one,
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and was
thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said Poythress
and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one of
the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had of
said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress shortly
afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who begs
recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone to
England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the ship
owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of the
Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain Batte,
Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to Rebecca,
the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas and
Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the same.
Peter Perry.
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
In 1703, the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
Wynne and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
the Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily averting a
tribal war.
Thomas Wynne was Justice of the Peace in Surry County in 1708.
In 1713, bounty awards for Surry County, David Poythress received 200 pounds
tobacco for one wolf's head, as did Thomas Cock and Thomas Wynne.
Property: Land
On April 20, 1687, Thomas Wynne, was granted 280 acres, in Jordan's parish,
in Charles City County, on the south side of the James River, adjoining Mr.
Joshua Wynne, Ballis Creek, Mr. Fountain, Major Francis Poythress and Mr.
Batt.
On April 21, 1690, Thomas Wynne, was granted 659 acres, on the Blackwater
River, adjoining John Wallice, deceased, Hercules Flood, Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, the Great Swamp, the mouth of Bland's branch, John
Williams, deceased, for transportation of 14 people, William Luck, Robert
Wood, Sarah Willoughby, Jane Moore, Thomas Rosse, James Isham, Robert Shaw,
Robert Willis, Sarah Shelly, Thomas Winter, Robert Wallis, Robert Hill, John
Moss and Abraham Wood.
On October 24, 1702, patent to Thomas Wynne, for 200 acres, in Charles City
County, on the side of Jones Hole Swamp and on the north side of the
Nottoway River, adjoining the land of Hugh Lee, Jr., now in the possession
of William Jones, Robert Hix and John Roberts.
In November, 1707, Thomas Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, made
deeds, recorded in Surry, to his daughter, Mary Melone, and to his son,
Robert Wynne. Thomas Wynne's daughter, Mary Wynne (c. 1689-?), married
Nathaniel Malone (c. 1680-1732).
As Witness
On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north side of
the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis Poythress
and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
Elizabeth Burwell.
Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George
County, proved December 11, 1712.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now live
on, to him and his heirs forever.
I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and to
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp, to
him and his heirs forever.
I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of the
Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale of
the said fifty acres of land.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
Frank Cook at nattuah.
I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
increase.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their increase.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse and
Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own disposing.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
Tom.
I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John Cook.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field, during
his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a cow
and calf and a new gun.
I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
account of what they have in hand.
I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the negro
child, Shu, goes with all.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu and
Jude, as her own proper estate to be
at her own disposing.
I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of this
my last will and testament.
I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to
be the dividers of my estate.
Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter Leeth,
Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The written
last Will and testament of Mr. John
Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto and
the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion the
same is admitted to record.
12/11/2005 4:14:24
Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress cousins.
Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
[7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of Peter
Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
+ 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
+ 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
28 v. Frances Wynne.
29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
+ 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
Family
Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles City
County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress. Robert
Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any man
in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on October
8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to his
600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary Jones
about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia, and
Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official that
negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion," who
led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson; (2)
Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John Worsham
and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married Mary;
(5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7) William
Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey Indians
because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great' men.
Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the aggressors
and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and the
Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond) that
the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
Son, Peter Wynne
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to Ann
Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c. 1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John Anderson.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will: The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow, dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret, wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs. Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers. I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4, 1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood) Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500 acres, on
Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter Wynne,
Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard Hamlin,
deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration to
John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one of
the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson Meredith
one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne his
security.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of the
same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr., lived,
being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner
and Thomas Poythress.
On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas Goodwynn
(not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the lands
lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the back of
the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein named
Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named Thomas
Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on the
day and year within mentioned.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis Poythress,
the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
languishes.
On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to Thomas
Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
witnesses.
Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to John
Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres, on
the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses were
Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was witnessed
by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas Eldridge
was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming and
Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
October 1, 1729.
To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my son,
William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest daughter,
my granddaughter.
To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
To son, William, items.
To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson, Martha
Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
To grandson, Isham Epes.
To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man and
various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses were
Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will: The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow, dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret, wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs. Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers. I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4, 1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood) Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to Ann
Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c. 1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John Anderson.
On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in the
same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard Pace,
and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of Richard
Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress and
Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son of
John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor, daughter
of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne
(1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7, 1720.
I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one third
part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and their
increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one featherbed.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture to
him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the High
Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his heirs
forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in Prince
George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of Richard
Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix hereafter
named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue if
any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy each of
them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and making
void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a court
held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being proved
by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon witnesses
thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of the
said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law, Certificate
was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the
estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to return
the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich (1694-1729)
was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
Son, Robert Wynne
In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
probated May 21, 1718.
A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
shilling each.
To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and then
to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
Professional Life
On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to Mrs.
Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed of
Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry Reed
exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca, his
wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that one,
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and was
thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said Poythress
and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one of
the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had of
said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress shortly
afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who begs
recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone to
England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the ship
owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of the
Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain Batte,
Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to Rebecca,
the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas and
Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the same.
Peter Perry.
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In 1703,
the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua Wynne
and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas, the
Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily averting a
tribal war.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they were to
ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling, Gentleman,
aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary Frances
Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
1730s). John Poythress(3)
was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
(1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the Nottoway
River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by the
name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows or
has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts, the
chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River where
Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of Monksneck
Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which is on
the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these places,
and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago, and
then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at the
place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at Unote,
and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at Taurara,
but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November 12,
1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704, Thweatt
owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which was in
Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was in
Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when he
swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714, William
Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of James
Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger James
Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on June
14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a commission
from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000 sterling.
Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking the
same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was of
age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
Property: Land
On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land. On
February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed from
Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles Bartholomew,
William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son of
Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north side of
the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis Poythress
and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
Elizabeth Burwell.
Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry in
1708.
As Witness
On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William Randolph,
exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the court to
provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall marry
within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall marry
his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew Frances,
the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the relict
of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca and
that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse fathers.
On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently live
together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he knew
both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters and
daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented John
Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard Mrs.
Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
(1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John Jane
(-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her death. He
subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The witness,
John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis Poythress'
brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
approximately the same age.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will and
testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry
Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury
Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said the
original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without any
blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12, 1705, at
Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on the
back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of her
Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by Francis
Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen; and
Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and Elizabeth
Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones (1658-1718),
daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to William
Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land, at
Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's plantation
and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an endorsement
making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my son,
Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
(1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
married Elizabeth Shands.
Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George
County, proved December 11, 1712.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now live
on, to him and his heirs forever.
I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and to
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp, to
him and his heirs forever.
I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of the
Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale of
the said fifty acres of land.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
Frank Cook at nattuah.
I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
increase.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their increase.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse and
Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own disposing.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
Tom.
I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John Cook.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field, during
his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a cow
and calf and a new gun.
I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
account of what they have in hand.
I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the negro
child, Shu, goes with all.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu and
Jude, as her own proper estate to be
at her own disposing.
I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of this
my last will and testament.
I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to
be the dividers of my estate.
Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter Leeth,
Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The written
last Will and testament of Mr. John
Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto and
the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion the
same is admitted to record.
12/11/2005 4:34:05
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Reginia Winn
I too would like to see this information as I have quite a collection on the
Wynne, Wynn, Winn lines.
Thanks
Reginia White Winn reginia@wt.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> Mike, I am overwhelmed by your detailed story based on Major Joshua
> Wynne. It gratifies my heart so much good to know there is at least one
> person (I know there are more) who has worked as hard as I "think" I
> have on the family of Colonel Robert Wynne of Virginia. I hope you are
> planning on publishing your work. Before you do, I want to go over my
> information and compare it to yours to see if there is anything I can
> add. You have done a very comprehensive job! This may sound "corny"
> but You have done something that will help genealogists for years to
> come. Thank you, thank you. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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Mr. Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Flowerdew Hundred, Prince George County, 3rd Generation
Michael Tutor
Maynard has organized a gold mine of material over the years including his
time line studies. Without these materials, none of these "life stories"
would ever have been attempted. After working with Maynard on this material
for over two years, it seems more likely now that we can piece together more
of the life stories of almost all of the first four generations. Problems
still exist on some of the men with the same given name.
Lou's study of Anne Poythress Wall gives those of us with female Poythress
ancestors inspiration in establishing our ties. The Poythress women that
married into the Claiborne, Hall and Pace lines come to mind as well as
possibly Poythress women that married into the Vaughn and Boisseau families.
The Third Generation: Mr. Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Flowerdew Hundred,
Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress
[21 Joshua Poythress (-1740), m. ______. The name of the wife of this Joshua
has never been proved. The fact that one of his sons was named "Littlebury"
suggests that she may have been an Eppes or a Hardyman. In 1725, John
Hardyman, whose mother had been Mary Eppes 124, and whose grandmother had
been Elizabeth Littlebury, conveyed to "Joseph" Poythress 300 acres, part of
the Flowerdew Hundred Tract in Prince George. The consideration expressed
was 5 shillings, which means that it was a deed of gift. John Hardyman had
actually paid 600 pounds lawful money of England for 150 of the same 300
acres he was now giving away. The "Joseph" named as grantee in the deed was
certainly an error in transliteration. Joshua was intended, not "Joseph."
This will be clear later when Joshua's grandson William (211 2) sells the
same land to Peachy 65 years later. Why should John Hardyman give valuable
land away to Joshua Poythress? A most likely answer would be that a Joshua
Poythress had married a close relative of John Hardyman, a daughter or a
sister. By 1725, John and Henrietta Maria Hardyman would hardly have a
daughter old enough to marry. He had sisters, however. Their names do not
appear in any known record but their existence is established by the 1726
will of Littlebury Hardeman, brother of John, which leaves one shilling "to
each and every one of my brothers and sisters." These circumstances, plus
the existence of a Hardyman Poythress in Prince George, bolster a growing
suspicion that the wife of Joshua Poythress was a daughter of John Hardyman,
Sr. and Mary Eppes, his wife, and thus a granddaughter of Francis and
Elizabeth (Littlebury-Worsham) Epes. Hardyman Poythress, as yet
unidentified, in 1809, may have been a grandson of Joshua Poythress. Joshua
left a will dated January 17, 1739 (o.s.) in which he leaves property to his
wife (but inconsiderately fails to name her), and to three sons, three
daughters, brothers William, Robert, and others. The original will is now in
the archives of the Virginia State Library (Accession 23849).
212 Littlebury Poythress d. w/o issue. Mentioned in his father's 1739/1740
will with an inference that he was incapacitated, either physically or
mentally. No further record of him.
213 William Poythress
214 Ann Poythress m. John Wall. Numerous descendants are given in the trial
chart of the Eppes Society.
215 Elizabeth Poythress (1725 - 1795). She was married three times; (1) to
Walter Boyd, who died in the town of Blandford in 1779; (2) to James Mills
(1718 -1782) of Middlesex County; and (3) to Thomas Griffin Peachy (1734 -
1810) of Williamsburg, but then the Clerk of the Court in Amelia County.
Elizabeth had no children by any of her three husbands. She died in
Petersburg leaving a will on record there. In it she named as beneficiaries
her husband, nephews, nieces, and others. The will has been very helpful in
establishing with certainty a number of relationships within this branch of
the Poythress family. Elizabeth (Poythress-Boyd-Mills) Peachy was buried by
her second husband in the churchyard of Christ Church, Middlesex. Thomas G.
Peachy died 6 March 1810 in Williamsburg and was buried in the garden of his
home where all three of his children by his first marriage, and whom he had
outlived, had been buried. In 1911, expansion of Eastern State Hospital
necessitated the removal of the remains in the former Peachy garden to
nearby Cedar Grove Cemetery. A single large, granite block was then erected
as a monument on the lot. It bears ten names, one below the other, with
associated years. The first three lines read: "Col. Thomas G. Peachy
1734-1810/Elizabeth Gilliam Peachy 1741-1781/Elizabeth Beverley Peachy -
1795." The second line, of course, refers to TGP's first wife. The third
line apparently was intended to refer to his second wife who is not even
buried there. While the year of death shown is correct for Elizabeth
Poythress, the second wife, the name "Beverley" is an error. The
great-grandchildren of TGP who caused the monument to be erected more than
100 years after his death probably had very scant information as to the
second wife. They had her confused with the first wife of James Mills who
was Elizabeth Beverley. After all, TGP's second wife was only a
step-grandmother to these 20th century Peachys. The late John McGill, in his
very excellent "The Beverley Family of Virginia" was also confused as to the
respective marriages of James Mills and Thomas G. Peachy. On page 616, he
has Elizabeth Beverley married in 1743 to James Mills, which is correct.
Then he shows her as marrying (2) in 1783 to Thomas Griffin Peachy. Actually
Elizabeth (Beverley) Mills, who died in 1770, was married but once. It was
her husband who married twice as is clearly shown in The Virginia Gazette
for Sept. 4, 1771. It was this second wife of James Mills; i.e., his widow,
Elizabeth (Poythress) Mills, who married Thomas G. Peachy in 1783, thirteen
years after Elizabeth (Beverley) Mills had been buried.
216 Mary Poythress m. Peter Epes (1730 - 1807), son of Francis and Sarah
(Hamlin) Epes of "Causons," Prince George County. They lived at "High Peak"
in Pr. Geo. and for this reason he was known as "Peter Epes of High Peak."
She died there 25 Jan 1792. Numerous descendants are listed on the Epes
chart.
[13. Joshua Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born BEF 1689 in
VA of "Flower de Hundred" [(P_1) BA] Also of "High Peaks", and died 1739 in
Prince George County VA. He married Mary Hardyman, daughter of John Hardyman
and Mary Epes. She was born ABT 1700 in Mr. Batte is unsure of this lady.
See source note..
Children of Joshua Poythress and Mary Hardyman are:
+ 38 i. Joshua Poythress was born 1720 in VA [(P_1) BAA], and died BEF 1782
in Prince George Co. VA.
39 ii. Littlebury Poythress was born in VA [(P_1) BAB] died without issue.
40 iii. Ann Poythress was born ABT 1718 in VA [(P_1) BAD]. She married John
Wall. He was born ABT 1722.
41 iv. William Poythress was born AFT 1718 in VA [(P_1) BAC] no issue, and
died AFT 1779.
42 v. Elizabeth Poythress was born 1725 in VA [(P_1) BAE] [no issue], and
died 3 OCT 1795 in Petersburg, Virginia. She married Walter Boyd. He was
born in VA, and died 18 NOV 1770 in Blandford, Virginia. She married James
Mills SEP 1771, son of ______ ______. He was born 4 APR 1718 in VA of
Urbanna, Middlesex, earlier of Rappahannock, and died BEF 28 JAN 1782 in
Middlesex County. She married Thomas G. Peachy 22 SEP 1783, son of Samuel
Peachy and Winifred Griffin. He was born 13 DEC 1734, and died in
Williamsburg, VA.
+ 43 vi. Mary Poythress was born in VA [(P_1) BAF], and died 25 JAN 1792 in
"High Peak" Prince George County, VA.]
Family
Joshua Poythress was born about 1688, in Charles City County, the son of
John Poythress and Christian Peebles. He possibly married a Hardyman, and
was married by 1720. Their children were: (1) Joshua (c. 1720-1782), who
married Mary Short, the daughter of William and Mary Short; (2) Littlebury,
who never married and died without heirs; (3) William (aft. 1720-); (4) Anne
(c. 1721-), who probably married John Wall, the son of John Wall and Mary
Urvine Brown; (5) Elizabeth (c. 1725-), who married (1) Walter Boyd, (2)
James Mills and (3) Thomas Griffin Peachy, the son of Samuel Peachy and
Winifred Griffin; and (6) Mary (c. 1730-1/25/1792), who married Peter Epes,
son of Francis Epes and Sarah Hamlin. Joshua died before April 8, 1741.
Anne Poythress, the Daughter, and John Wall
From the Poythress website and JLP: It has been theorized that John Wall
married Ann Poythress about 1740. In Robert Hicks' Brunswick County Will,
dated in early 1739, Ann Poythress was named as a witness. Robert Hicks had
been the commander of Christanna Fort, and was a Brunswick County neighbor
of the Wall family. From Hicks' document and the Will of her presumed
father, Joshua Poythress, we know that Ann was both an adult and single in
1739. No other records have been found that name her, indicating that she
probably married soon afterwards. The land record of John Wall, dated 1747,
definitely proves that John Wall had married an Ann by 1747. Narrowing the
date down further, John Wall bought and sold a tract of land in 1742 and no
wife was named with a right of dower. To have a right of dower, the wife had
to have been married when the land was acquired. John Wall would have been
married to Ann Poythress about 1742 or 1743.
In the correspondence between Walter Ashe Wall, in 1953, and Mr. Richard
Dunn, of Richmond, Virginia, Mr. Dunn wrote that from 1725 to 1949, Joshua
Poythress, and his descendants, owned the Flower de Hundred plantation in
Prince George County, Virginia. On July 18, 1952, Mr. Dunn gave to the
Archives Division, Virginia State Library, a copy of the Will, dated January
17, 1739, of Joshua Poythress, of Flower de Hundred, which he had found
among the papers of his late father, Dr. William Wilcox Dunn (1870-1952),
who was the last descendant of Joshua Poythress to own Flower de Hundred.
The interesting thing about the copy of the Will of Joshua Poythress was
that it was introduced as evidence in the suit of Wall against Poythress as
was clearly shown by the following wording which was inscribed on the back
of the Will, "Will (copy) of Joshua Poythress, Wall vs. Poythress." Also,
the following excerpt from the Will of Joshua Poythress establishes the fact
that as of January 17, 1739, he had an unmarried daughter named Ann
Poythress; "the remainder of my estate I give and devise to my loving wife
and to my sons, Joshua Poythress and William Poythress, and to my daughters,
Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress, to be equally divided
between them when my son, Joshua Poythress, shall come to age." From the
above, it would seem that Ann Poythress, daughter of Joshua Poythress, of
Flower de Hundred, married John Wall after the death of her father and being
dissatisfied with the division of her father's estate brought suit against
his executors."
Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of Joshua's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., had appointed his half-brothers, Thomas
Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his
estate. He appointed Joshua's mother, Christian, and Joshua's oldest
brother, John Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave his son,
Joshua, 300 acres of land at Monkasoneck, two negroes, Peter and Beck, and
an equal share of his moveable estate.
Civic Activities
On November 11, 1719, in Prince George County, to Joshua Poythress, among
others, for killing 1 wolf, he received 100 pounds tobacco.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell, were nominated and appointed
to appraise the estate of Thomas Harwell, deceased, and were to make a
report of their proceedings to the next court when Henry Batte, the
administrator, thereof was ordered to return the inventory.
On January 11, 1721, Joshua received 400 pounds tobacco for killing four
wolves; John Gilliam, Sr., 200 pounds tobacco for killing two wolves; Robert
Poythress, John Poythress, John Gilliam, Jr., and Richard Pace received 100
pounds each for killing one wolf respectively.
On May 9, 1738, in Prince George County, William Poythress, Gentleman, swore
a Grand Jury composed of William Batte, Joshua Poythress, Robert Poythress,
Edward Wyatts, Joseph Thomas, John Holloway, Charles Anderson, William
Cureton, John Jones, William Bonner, William Martin, Drury Oliver, Daniel
Jackson, Peter Leath, Richard Simpson, John Womack, Thomas Farreld, James
Baugh, Bernard Lyke and John Livesay.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass for
assault and battery brought by Robert Hudson against James Moody, Richard
Taylor, Joshua Poythress, Robert Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Charles
Poythress, John Sturdivant, Joseph Simmons, A. Graham Toney, Joshua Wynne,
William Parsons, Timothy Lamar, and William Batte were jurymen.
On April 8, 1739, in Prince George County, the Will of Daniel Eelbank,
deceased, was exhibited in court. Joshua Poythress, among others, was to
appraise the estate.
Court Cases
In May, 1738, in Prince George County, in the petition of Joshua Poythress
and Francis Poythress against Hannah Poythress, executrix of the estate of
Francis Poythress, the petitioners failing to prosecute, was dismissed.
On September 13, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit in Chancery
brought by Francis Haddon against Joshua Poythress the respondent by his
attorney appeared and on his motion time was granted him until the next
court to answer the Complainant's Bills. On October 19, 1738, January 10,
1739, and, March 13, 1739, in the suit in Chancery brought by Francis Haddon
against Joshua Poythress, on the motion of respondent's attorney, the case
was continued until the next court and on the respondent's cost.
Property: Personal Property and Land
October 13, 1719, in Prince George County, Prince, a negro boy, belonging to
Joshua Poythress, was judged to be five years old.
July 12, 1725, in Prince George County, John Hardyman and Henrietta Maria,
his wife, sold to Joseph/Joshua Poythress, 1 negro man slave, Frank Mingo,
and 1 negro girl slave, Tabbe. The witnesses were Thomas Eldridge and
William Poythress. Joshua inherited two slaves from his father in 1712 but
had added at least one by 1719 and two more by 1725.
On May 12, 1713, Thomas Vincent and Sarah, his mother, sold to Joseph/Joshua
Poythress, 100 acres, in Prince George County, on the line of John Ellis and
Queen's land, a deed of lease.
On February 10, 1718, James Parham, of Prince George County, sold to Joshua
Poythress, of Prince George County, 200 acres, in Prince George County, on
Bailey's Creek known as "High Peak." The witness was James Cocke.
On June 22, 1722, Joshua Poythress, was granted 333 acres of new land, in
Prince George County, on the north side of Moccosoneck Creeke, adjoining
Williams Jones, Jr.
On July 10, 1725, a deed of lease for 20 years, between John Hardyman, of
Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, and Henrietta, his wife,
to Joseph/Joshua Poythress, of the same parish and county, 300 acres, in
Prince George County, called Flowerdew Hundred, bounded on the north by the
James River, on the east by the land of Robert Wilkins, and on the south by
the land called Dutchy Hills and on the west by the land of Elizabeth Duke,
it being part of the said Flower de Hundred tract of land which contained
1,000 acres, or thereabouts; 150 of the said 300 acres were devised to the
said Henrietta Maria, wife of the said John Hardyman, by the last Will and
testament of her father John Taylor, late of said county, deceased, dated
April 5, 1700, and the other 150 acres were devised by the said Will unto
Sarah, now wife of Francis Hardeman, and one of the daughters of the said
John Taylor, and his heirs.
On July 12, 1725, a deed of lease, Joshua Poythress, of Prince George
County, to William Poythress, of Prince George County, 100 acres, in Bristol
parish, in Prince George County, bounded as mentioned in a deed of sale. The
witnesses were James Thweat and John Fitzgerald, at a court at Merchant's
Hope.
On March 11, 1728, John Fitzgerald, of Prince George County, sold to Joshua
Poythress, of the same, 200 acres, in Prince George County, on the south
side of White Oak Creek, being the upper half or moiety of 400 acres taken
up and patented by John Fitzgerald. The witnesses were John Lewis, William
Poythress and Francis Epes.
On October 9, 1732, Elizabeth Duke, of the County of Prince George, Widow,
sold to Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Prince George County, the plantation
commonly known by the name of Flower de Hundred, 250 acres, in Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County, beginning on the line of the land
of Joshua Poythress.
On February 27, 1734, Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County, Gentleman,
was granted 382 acres, in Prince George County, on the south side of
Tommahitton Swamp, adjoining his brother, William Poythress, near Batts'
path.
At Joshua Poythress' death, he had bought or was granted 1,470 acres; 200
acres called "High Peak," 200 acres on White Oak Creek, 250 acres called
"Flowerdew Hundred," and 382 acres on Tommaheton Swamp adjoining his
brother, William Poythress. He sold 100 acres to his brother, William
Poythress. His father left him 300 acres on Monkasoneck Creek. This would be
a total of 1,770 acres. Five slaves were mentioned in the possession of
Joshua.
Adjoining Property
On April 11, 1721, Thomas Vinson, of North Carolina, to William Poythress,
of the Colony of Virginia, a three year lease, 100 acres, bounding Joshua
Poythress in Bristol parish, precisely described. The witnesses were John
Banister and Abraham Cocke.
On June 6, 1727, Charles Leath, 400 acres of new land, in Surry County, on
the north side of the Nottoway River, on the north side of the Gum Swamp,
adjoining Joshua Poythress.
On September 28, 1730, Abraham Parham, 150 acres of new land, in Surry
County, on the south side of the Nottoway River, by Mockerson Neck Creek, on
the northeast side of William Parham, by the Cross Branch, adjoining Joshua
Poythress.
On January 2, 1738, William Cryer was granted 700 acres in the counties of
Prince George and Amelia, on both sides of Tommahitton Swamp adjoining
Joseph Poythress, upon the head of a small branch on the south side of the
swamp, adjoining John Yorke, and crossing the Forke of Batts's Branch.
On March 26, 1739, Charles Leath, 263 acres, in Surry County, on the east
side of Mockerson Creek, adjoining Mr. Joshua Poythress, Mr. Poythress'
cornfield, James Parham and Anthony Rackleigh.
On October 15, 1741, John Jackson, 4,440 acres, in Prince George and Amelia
Counties, on both sides of the Burchen Swamp, 1,740 acres were granted John
Jackson by a patent June 5, 1736, and the residue thereof never before
granted; on the north side of the open Beaverpond of Burchen Swamp, on the
upper side of the Rambling branch, up the Rocky branch, adjoining Joseph
Poythress, William Cryer, fork of Batts's Branch of Tommahitton, adjoining
Thomas Snipes, on the Main Burchen Swamp, the mouth of Buckhorn Branch on
the south side of the Swamp, to Jackson's Branch, adjoining Wood Jones, line
of the upper Hurricane Survey, in the fork of the Hurricane Swamp, on the
Main Hurricane Swamp, in the head of a fork of the Rocky branch.
As Witness
On July 12, 1725, John Hardyman to John Poythress, 2 acres of land, with a
mill, in Prince George County, on Ward's Run bounded by Sarah Wall and John
Wilkins. John Hardyman obliged himself to the title on the penalty of £80.
The witnesses, Joshua Poythress and William Poythress at a court at Merchant's
Hope.
Family Estates
Joshua Poythress' sister, Elizabeth Poythress, married Thomas Epes as her
second husband, after the death of her first husband, John Fitzgerald. Their
son, Thomas Epes, named Joshua Poythress II's son, William Poythress, as one
of the executors of his 1779 Will and left him two slaves, his plantation
and all of his land. Joshua Poythress' daughter, Mary Poythress, married
Peter Epes. Peter Epes was named as an executor of Thomas Epes' 1779 Will
also. If William Poythress was to die without an heir, then Peter's son,
Richard Epes, was to inherit Thomas Epes' plantation and all of his land.
Peter Epes, the son of Peter Epes and Mary Poythress, was born in 1767, in
Lunenburg County, and died in August, 1826. Mary (c. 1730-1792) was the
daughter of Joshua Poythress and (Hardyman).
Joshua Poythress' Will
In Prince George County, the Will of Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, Prince George County, dated January 17, 1740, and probated April 8,
1741.
The land I live on, bought from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke and Captain John
Hardyman, to my sons, Joshua and William, to be equally divided. All of the
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, likewise to be equally divided.
To my granddaughter, Harwood, £50.
To my son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and my other sons are to keep him
during his lifetime.
All of the rest of the estate to be equally divided between my wife and my
five children: Joshua, William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary
Poythress.
My brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and my friends and relations
Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to divide the estate. The
executors to be my brother, Robert Poythress, and my cousin, Thomas
Poythress. The witnesses were Ann Bland, Christian Poythress, and Richard
Bland.
On April 8, 1741, in the Prince George County court, the last Will and
testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress and Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it
being proved by the oath of Richard Bland, gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of
the witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with Richard
Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into Bond
in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with condition
for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in court.
It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of the
last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said deed
and its estate to the next court.
Elizabeth Duke, the daughter of John Taylor (1662-1707), was married to
Henry Duke (-1718). John Hardyman (1686-1738) was married to Henrietta Maria
Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. She and Elizabeth were sisters. Joshua
Poythress' grandson, William, named one of his sons Thomas Epes Poythress
(1785-1847). Joshua's brothers, William and Robert Poythress, were the
appraisers of his estate, and Robert Poythress was an executor. Joshua's
nephew, Thomas Poythress, was an executor as was Joshua's brother-in-law,
John Woodlief (1673-aft. 1741). According to Dorman, cousin and nephew were
interchangeable during this period. Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to
Joshua's niece, Anne Poythress (1712-1758), daughter of Peter Poythress and
Anne Jones. Richard Bland was an appraiser and a witness, and his wife, Ann,
was a witness. Christian Poythress was either Joshua's mother or his sister.
In William Byrd's diary, on July 26, 1741, Byrd noted that the weather was
warm and cloudy and that the wind was from the north. Byrd did not go to
church but put his things in order and wrote several letters. After church,
John Stith and his wife came by and dined. After dinner, John Ravenscroft
came by, as did Mr. Miller and his wife and Mrs. Poythress. In Charles City,
July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas
Poythress, executors of Joshua Poythress versus Benjamin Harrison. Joshua
Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators gave bond at £5,000
current money when his Will was presented in court.
12/12/2005 2:33:28
Mr. Robert Poythress, of Prince George County
Michael Tutor
Peter, David, Joshua and Robert were the easiest brothers to document...if
there was ever anything easy about documenting the Poythress family. Peter's
daughter, Anne, provided the family tie to the Bland family through her
marriage to Richard Bland. Richard's and Anne's daughter, Elizabeth Bland,
married Peter Poythress, of Branchester, the son of Robert and Elizabeth
Poythress. Joshua Poythress' line is always associated with the Flowerdew
Plantation.
The Third Generation: Mr. Robert Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on Robert Poythress
[28 Robert Poythress (1690 - c. 1747), m. Elizabeth, last name unknown.
Robert left a will dated 24 May 1743, now lost, but quoted from in a deed
given by his daughter Tabitha in 1793.
284 Jane Poythress. Supposedly married John Baird. He came from Scotland c.
1750 and settled at City Point.
285 Tabitha Poythress (1725 - 1805), m. 1742 Henry Randolph (1721 - 1771) of
Chesterfield County, son of Henry and Elizabeth (Epes 121 5) Randolph. There
were eight children. In 1793, Tabitha made a deed conveying her interest in
some slaves to Henry Archer. The deed recited that her father Robert
Poythress 28 had by his will dated 24 May 1743 left some slaves to his wife
(Tabitha's mother) and after his wife's death the slaves were to go in (sic)
his (Robert's) three sons, Robert, Peter, and William, and to such of his
daughters that were at that time unmarried.
286 Elizabeth Poythress m. John Gilliam.]
[16. Robert Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born 1690 in
~Virginia [(P_1) BH], and died ABT 1747 in ~ Virginia, will in 1743. He
married Elizabeth ______. She was born in [(P_1) BH (W)].
Children of Robert Poythress and Elizabeth ______ are:
+ 50 i. Peter Poythress was born 1715 in VA of "Branchester" [(P_1) BHA]
[142 CAB], and died 1785 in ~Virginia.
51 ii. Robert Poythress was born BET 1715 AND 1747 in [(P_1) BHB], and died
JAN 1782 in Possible Date, no source.
52 iii. William Poythress was born BEF 1745 in [(P_1) BHC].
+ 53 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1715 AND 1747 in VA [(P_1) BHD] [some
doubt about children].
+ 54 v. Tabitha Poythress was born BET 1715 AND 1747 in VA, and died 1805.
55 vi. Elizabeth Poythress was born BET 1715 AND 1747 in ~Virginia. She
married John Gilliam AFT 1748. He was born 1712 in England [came with
brothers], and died 1772 in "Puddledock", Prince George County, Virginia.]
Family
Robert Poythress was born in 1690, in Charles City County, the son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles. He married Elizabeth (Cocke?) prior to
1720, possibly the daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth Pleasants. Their
children were (1) Elizabeth (c. 1720-c. 1788), who married John Gilliam; (2)
Robert (c. 1722-1/1782); (3) Agnes (c. 1723-), who married (1) (Samuel)
Harwood and (2) Benjamin Cocke, the son of Thomas Cocke and Katherine Holt;
(4) Peter (4/2/1724-12/19/1787), who married Elizabeth Bland, the daughter
of Richard Bland and Anne Poythress; (5) Mary Ann (c.1725-), who married
(John) Minge; (6) Tabitha (c. 1726-9/17/1805), who married Henry Randolph,
the son of Henry Randolph and Elizabeth Epes; (7) William (c. 1728-1783),
who married Elizabeth Penniston; (8) Jane (c. 1732-1805), who married John
Baird; and, (9) Susanna (c. 1734-), who married William Hall, the son of
Robert Hall and Martha Pleasants. Robert died before September 13, 1743.
Daughter, Tabitha Poythress
In Chesterfield County, the Will of Henry Randolph, deceased, June 17, 1769.
Give to my son, John Randolph, 1,000 acres called "Plantation" on which
testator lived.
Give to William Randolph, land called Rich Neck.
Give to my sons, Peter Randolph and Thomas Randolph, all of his lands, in
Amelia County, equally.
Give to my son, Robert Randolph, £500.
Give to my son Richard Randolph £500.
Give to all my children my personal property and slaves equally. Direct that
my unmarried children shall be maintained out of the profits of the estate.
Executrix, my wife. Executors, Major Peter Poythress, John Gilliam, Sr.,
John Gilliam, Jr.
The witnesses were Henry Featherstone, William Dyson and John Ratcliffe.
Tabitha Poythress Randolph (1725-1805), the daughter of Robert and Elizabeth
Poythress, married Henry Randolph (1720/1-1771), the son of Henry Randolph
and Elizabeth Epes. Major Peter Poythress (1733-1787), was the son of Robert
Poythress, and brother of Tabitha Poythress Randolph.
On September 7, 1773, in Chesterfield County, John Randolph, Gentleman, and
Mrs. Tabitha Randolph, widow of Henry Randolph, deceased, of Chesterfield
County, deed to Thomas Cogbill, of the same County, 161 acres, adjoining
said Randolph's and said Cogbill.
In 1775, in Chesterfield County, allotment of dower to Tabitha Randolph,
widow and relict of Henry Randolph, deceased, 400 acres of land, 8 negroes,
a horse and mare, 6 head of cattle, 28 hogs, all in Amelia County; 6
negroes, 2 beds with furniture, 10 silver teaspoons, all in Chesterfield
County.
On May 31, 1775, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, of Chesterfield
County, widow and relict of Henry Randolph, late of said County, deceased,
deed to John Randolph, eldest son of the said Henry Randolph, deceased, 100
acres, being her dower.
Daughter, Agnes Poythress
December, 1745, in the Charles City County court, the Will of Samuel
Harwood, Gentleman, deceased, was presented by Agnes Harwood, one of the
executors, and proved by Peter Fontain, Robert Poythress and Mary Ann Minge.
Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of Robert's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., had appointed his half-brothers, Thomas
Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his
estate. He appointed Robert's mother, Christian, and Robert's oldest
brother, John Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave his son,
Robert, 300 acres of land at the Indian Swamp, 50 acres of land on the lower
side of the Indian Swamp, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah, and an equal
share of his moveable estate.
Professional Life
In 1713, Robert Poythress was accused of furnishing ammunition to the
Indians.
Civic Activities
On January 6, 1715, in Prince George County, in the action of trespassing,
Arthur Biggins versus William Short, Robert Poythress and Edward Epes were
jurymen.
June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Robert Poythress and
John Woodlief were sworn vestrymen of Westover parish.
On January 11, 1721, Joshua Poythress, 400 pounds tobacco for killing four
wolves; John Gilliam, Sr., 200 pounds tobacco for killing two wolves; Robert
Poythress, John Poythress, John Gilliam, Jr., and Richard Pace, 100 pounds
each for killing one wolf respectively.
On May 30, 1731, in Bristol parish, returns of the processioning for the
year 1731. John Fitzgerald and Robert Poythress none attending but John
Butler.
On April 8, 1738, and in March, 1739, Robert Poythress was named foreman of
a Grand Jury.
On May 9, 1738, in the Prince George County court, William Poythress,
gentleman, pursuant to the directions of the Act of Assembly concerning
Juries, empaneled and swore a Grand Jury composed of William Batte, Joshua
Poythress, Robert Poythress, Edward Wyatts, Joseph Thomas, John Holloway,
Charles Anderson, William Cureton, John Jones, William Bonner, William
Martin, Drury Oliver, Daniel Jackson, Peter Leath, Richard Simpson, John
Womack, Thomas Farreld, James Baugh, Bernard Lyke and John Livesay who
having received their charge, were sent out, and soon after returned into
court, and made their report as follows, viz: We find Ward's Creek Bridge to
be out of repair. William Batte, foreman.
On August 15, 1739, in the Prince George County court, in the action of
trespass for Assault and Battery brought by Robert Hudson against James
Moody for £10 current money damages by means of the defendant beating,
wounding and evilly treating the plaintiff at the parish of Bristol in this
county on January 9, 1738, and other enormities to the said plaintiff with
force and arms; then and there doing against the peace; as in the
declaration set forth. The defendant by his attorney appeared and by his
attorney pleaded not guilty and for trial put himself upon the county and
the plaintiff in like manner, whereupon a jury was empaneled and labored to
try the matter in issue, by name Richard Taylor, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Charles Poythress, John Sturdivant, Joseph
Simmons, A. Graham Toney, Joshua Wynne, William Parsons, Timothy Lamar, and
William Batte who, having heard the evidence and allegations of the
attorneys, received their charge, were sent out, and soon afterward returned
into court and brought in their verdict "We find for the plaintiff forty
shillings current money" which verdict makes motion of the plaintiff's
attorney recorded and it is considered by the court that the plaintiff
recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum of forty shillings being his
damages by the jurors aforesaid in names aforesaid assessed together with
costs and an attorney's fee Als: Exeo.
On August 15, 1739, in the Prince George County court, in the case of John
Cox versus Henry Fitz for debt, a jury was empaneled as follows: Robert
Poythress, John Poythress, Charles Poythress, among others, who found for
the plaintiff. On November 13, 1739, it was ordered that the following be
summoned to court to answer the presentments of the grand jury: Katherine
Harrison, Robert Poythress, John Avery, John Brown and William Stuard. In
December, 1739, presentments of the grand jury, names jurors, for
miscellaneous offenses, among which was: It was ordered that Robert
Poythress be summoned to appear at the next Court to answer the presentments
of the Grand Jury. On February 12, 1740, in the Prince George County court,
Robert Poythress having been presented by the last grand jury, December,
1739, for not keeping the road in repair of which he was overseer and being
summoned and called, appeared in court and made his excuses and was
acquitted.
Court Cases
On June 11, 1716, in the Prince George County court, in the action pending
between Edward Burball and Robert Poythress, neither party appearing was
dismissed.
In 1716, in the Prince George County court, James Thweatt, assignee of David
Duke, complained that Hubbard Gibson was indebted to him as assignee for 16
well dressed doe skins, by bill dated July 11, 1711, and that he had
unlawfully departed this county. Hubbard's estate was therefore attached for
one iron pot and a pair of andirons. Gibson did not appear and the judgement
was confirmed. The goods were to be appraised by Robert Poythress, William
Batte, George Rives and Edward Mitchell, and they were to report to the next
court. On April 9, 1717, the Sheriff returned the account of Hubbard Gibson,
attached for James Thweatt, 1 iron pott at £1/19/4, that was appraised by
William Batte, Robert Poythress and Edward Mitchell.
On August 13, 1717, in the Prince George court, in the petition for an acre
of land opposite his acre on Baley's Run, to build a mill, on land of the
heirs of Joseph Holycross, deceased, Martha Holycross, mother of the said
heirs, gave permission. It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Edward
Mitchell lay out an acre. John Peterson was to pay for the land.
On April 14, 1719, Henry Batte made oath that Thomas Harwell, deceased, died
intestate, and was granted administration of his estate. John Poythress,
Robert Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell were to take
inventory. On the same date, Joshua Poythress, Robert Poythress, John
Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell were nominated and appointed to appraise the
estate of Thomas Harwell, deceased, and make report of their proceedings
therein to the next court when Henry Batte, the administrator, thereof was
ordered to return the inventory.
On May 12, 1719, Robert Poythress and Edward Mitchell, who were appointed to
lay and value one acre of land lying on the Balys River, and belonging to
the land of Joseph Holycross, deceased, for John Peterson's convenience to
build a water Mill and to make a report of their proceedings which was
ordered to be recorded and was accordingly truly recorded as follows; viz:
[copy blotted] Prince George County.
In March, 1738, in the Prince George County court, in the action of accounts
brought by Robert Poythress against Francis Haddon for £20 damage of the
same because of the defendant denying to account for sundry goods and
merchandise, viz., 398 gallons of rum, 478 pounds of Muscovado(?) sugar and
50 gallons of malt also belonging to the said Robert Poythress and by him
delivered to the said Francis who was his bailiff and receiver from the 15th
day of April, 1734 till February 1736, to merchandise and profit with at the
parish of Bristol in this county for the use benefit and advantage of the
said Robert as in his declaration is not for this the defendant by his
attorney having pleaded that he never was the Bailiff or Receiver of the
plaintiff's and the plaintiff joining in the issue at the last court a jury
was empaneled and sworn to try the same, who having heard the evidence, and
received their charge, were sent out and soon after returned into court, and
brought in their verdict that they found that the defendant was Bailiff and
Receiver which verdict was then recorded and after special Bail given by the
defendant, William Stark, Frances Eppes, and George Gordon or any two of
them were appointed to hear and take the accounts of the said parties and
were ordered to make report of their proceedings therein to this court
pursuant therein to the said William Stark, Francis Eppes and George Gordon
made their report, which on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney was
recorded, as follows pursuant to an Order of the Court: We the Sub-jurors
make in order to state and settle the amounts between Robert Poythress and
Francis Haddon at which time the said Poythress and Haddon appeared before
us, but the said Haddon refused to produce any amount March 6, 1737. William
Stark, Francis Eppes and George Gordon therefore on the motion of the court
that the plaintiff recover against the defendant £20 being the damages in
the Declaration mentioned by means of the defendants refusing to account as
aforesaid together with Costs and Attorney's Fee, Als: Exeo.
In June, 1738, in the Prince George County court, on the Fieri Facias
awarded Robert Poythress on his judgement obtained against William Poythress
and Francis Poythress, executors, of the last Will and Testament of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, Miles Thweatt, one of the under-Sheriffs, of this
court made the above return which was recorded.
In July, 1738, in the Prince George County court, by virtue of this writ to
me directed, I have taken the within named Francis Haddon, whose body before
the Justice within named, and places within contained, I have ready to
satisfy Robert Poythress if the debts and damage within mentioned as writing
to me is commanded of ______. Jos. Simmons, Sub-Sheriff. On the Capias ad
Satisfaciendum awarded Robert Poythress, on his Judgement obtained against
Francis Haddon, Joseph Simmons, one of the under Sheriffs of this County,
made the above returns, which was recorded. On September 13, 1738, in the
suits by petitions brought by Francis Haddon against Robert Poythress for 4
pounds, 14 shillings, 3 pence current money the defendant appeared and
pleaded nils debit and the plaintiff joining in the issue, it was submitted
to the Court for Trial and the Court having heard the arguments and
allegations of the said parties and equated and sorted their accounts gives
judgement for the plaintiff for 22 shillings and 11 pence and on the motion
of the plaintiff's attorney it is considered by the court that the plaintiff
recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum of 22 shillings and 11 pence
and the costs Als: Exeo.
On February 11, 1739, in the Prince George County court, the suits by
petition by William Steward against Robert Poythress, neither party
appearing was dismissed.
Property: Personal Property and Land
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, on the motion of Robert
Poythress, he was exempted from paying levy for his negro woman, Sue.
On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, sold to
Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500 acres, in
Prince George County, on Southwardly Run, formerly belonging to Captain
Henry Batte, deceased. The witnesses were Peter Poythress, Peter Wynne and
Richard Raines.
On September 12, 1721, a land exchange between William Parham, of Surry
County, to Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, 267 acres of land and
£5 paid by Robert Poythress in exchange for 100 acres of land in Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County, bounded by William Bette, Thomas
Bolling, John Young and William Parham. The witnesses were Peter Wynne and
William Jones.
On September 28, 1728, Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, was
granted 291 acres of new land, on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp, in
Prince George County, on the side of Beaver Pond Swamp, adjoining Peter
Wynne. This land was willed to his son, Robert Poythress, in his 1743 will.
On September 28, 1728, Robert Glover, of Prince George County, was granted
297 acres of new land, on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp, in Prince
George County, upon the brook at the upper end of the old beaver ponds above
Robert Poythress. This land was willed to his son, Peter Poythress, in his
1743 will.
On March 22, 1733, a deed of lease on 267 acres, Robert Poythress, of Prince
George County, to John Parrum, of Surry County, land on the south side of
the main Blackwater River, in Surry County, on the southwest side of the
Indian Swamp, by the side of Beaver Pond Swamp. The witnesses were Sloman
Wynne, David Poythress and William Parrum. This land was bought by John
Poythress (1674-aft. 1724), son of John Poythress, on September 15, 1717.
On June 18, 1735, Thomas Bolling, Mariner, sold to Robert Poythress, of
Prince George County, 412 acres, on the north side of the Nottaway River, in
Surry County, upon the Gally Swamp, to Mockerson Neck Creek. The witnesses
were John Mason and Thomas Edmunds. Robert Poythress left this land to his
son, William Poythress, in his 1743 will.
On July 13, 1735, David Poythress, of Surry County, 600 acres, sold to
Robert Poythress, in Surry County, 350 acres having been devised to David
Poythress, December 11, 1712, by his Father, John Poythress, deceased, by
his last Will and testament, the other 250 acres were surveyed and patented
by David Poythress on September 5, 1723. The land was on the north side of
the Nottaway River, in Surry County, adjoining John Roberts, the Pole branch
and the Indian Swamp. The witnesses were Thomas Edmunds and David Wallace.
Robert Poythress left this land to his son, Peter Poythress, in his 1743
will. The 350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress, David's and
Robert's father, on October 24, 1701.
On June 1, 1741, Robert Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 400 acres, in
Amelia County, on the north side of the Nottaway River, adjoining Hezekiah
Powell. Robert Poythress left this property to his son, William Poythress,
in his 1743 will. This land was in Prince George County prior to 1734.
Adjoining Property
On August 20, 1745, William Stone, 700 acres, in Amelia County, on the north
side of the Hurricane Swamp, adjoining Henry Green, Powell, Poythress and
Wyatt.
On August 20, 1747, Mary Hawkins and Francis Wyatt, 200 acres, in Amelia
County, on the north side of Hurricane Swamp, down a fork of the Great
Branch, adjoining Poythress.
As Witness
On July 6, 1715, William Raines, of Prince George County, to his son, Thomas
Rains, of the same County, 76 acres, in Prince George County, on the north
side of Jones Hole swamp. The witnesses were Robert Poythress, William
Stainback and Frank Epes.
On September 12, 1721, Adam Ivy, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Peter Poythress, of the same parish and county, 40
acres along Peter Poythress' property, in Martin's Brandon, in Prince George
County. The witnesses were Peter Wynne and Robert Poythress.
On August 14, 1739, a deed of land from Ann Stratton to William Batte was
proved by the oaths of Robert Poythress, John Peterson and Thomas Batte,
witnesses.
Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724, and recorded August
11, 1724, at Merchant's Hope court, with an account of his personal property
items valued at 209/14/5.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses were Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham.
At a court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on Tuesday, May
12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John Poythress, deceased, was
exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, his executors,
who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the oaths of Francis Epes,
William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the motion of the said Robert
Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, Certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of
the said Will in due form. John Stainback, John Winningham and William
Stainback were the appraisers. On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George
County court, the inventory of the estate of Captain John Poythress,
deceased, was valued at 130/12/8. The executors were Robert Poythress and
John Woodlief. The legatees were John Poythress' wife, Mary, his daughter,
Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, Colonel William Randolph, Captain Richard
Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among others.
October 4, 1727, in the Prince George County court, the Certificate of
probate for the Will of Henry Batte; named his mother, Mary Batte, and his
sister, Mary Poythress. The witness was Robert Poythress.
In Prince George County, the Will of Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
Parish, in Prince George County, dated January 17, 1740, and probated April
8, 1741.
The land I live on, bought from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke and Captain John
Hardyman, to my sons, Joshua and William, to be equally divided. All of my
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, likewise to be equally divided.
To my granddaughter, Harwood, £50.
To my son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and my other sons are to keep him
during his lifetime.
All of the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my wife and my
five children: Joshua, William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary
Poythress.
My brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and my friends and relations,
Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress, and John Woodlief are to divide the estate.
The executors to be my brother, Robert Poythress, and my cousin, Thomas
Poythress. The witnesses were Ann Bland, Christian Poythress, and Richard
Bland.
April 8, 1741, in the Prince George County court, the last Will and
testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress and Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it
being proved by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of
the witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with Richard
Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into Bond
in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with condition
for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in court.
It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of the
last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said deed
and its estate to the next court. Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to
Anne Poythress (1712-1758). Anne Poythress was the first cousin of Thomas
Poythress and the niece of Joshua and Robert Poythress. William Poythress
was the brother of Robert and Joshua Poythress, and the uncle of Thomas
Poythress.
Robert Poythress' Will
The Will of Robert Poythress, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George
County, dated May 24, 1743. The original Will was located in the
Chesterfield County Dead Papers.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, and his heirs, all my lands on which I now
live containing 1,100 acres and also 291 acres adjoining the Butterwood
Swamp.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, and his heirs, my lands containing about 600
acres lying on the Nottoway River and known by the name of Tanotoro and 297
acres lying on Butterwood, which I bought from James Glover.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, all my lands lying between
Monkoes Neck and Nottoway which I bought of Captain Thomas Bolling and all
my lands in Amelia County contiguous to William Stone's land.
I give my wife the use of 12 negroes, Harry, Hunt, Tom, Jamey, George,
Nilsy, Sarah, Lucy, Nick, Hannah, Matt, Nan, Penelope and the use of 1/3 of
my lands during her life or widowhood and 1/4 of my house furniture and
stocks to be divided between my wife and my 3 sons and any of my daughters
that are unmarried at the time of her mother's death and their heirs
respectively.
The division is to be made by my brother, William Poythress, Colonel Richard
Bland, and Mr. John Gilliam or the survivors.
I give my son, Robert, and his heirs, 9 negroes, Tom boy, Mingo, Charles,
Judy, Bett, Jenny, Sarah, George, and Boatswin.
I give my son, Peter, and his heirs, 9 negroes, Prince, Sterling, Cimon,
Jack, Sarah, Bett, Agnes, Aneky, and Harry.
I give my son, William, and his heirs, 9 negroes, Phillis, Seanah, Gambia,
Caesar, Pheby, Kate, Pat, and Pompey.
If either of my sons dies before he comes of age, the whole estate, real and
personal, is to be divided equally between the surviving sons or their
heirs.
I confirm to my daughter, Elizabeth Gilliam all the negroes already given to
her.
I give my grandson, Robert Gilliam, a negro boy, Johnny, and a girl about
the same age.
I give my daughter, Mary Anna Minge, negroes, Abbah, Sawney, Jenny to her
and her heirs and thirty pounds current money to be laid out in negroes.
I give my daughter, Agnes Harwood, 98 pounds, 10 shillings current money
which her husband has already received.
I give my granddaughter, Tabitha Harwood, one negro girl, Amy, now in the
use of her father.
I give my daughter, Tabitha Poythress, 130 pounds current money and negro
girl, Sue.
I give my daughter, Susanna Poythress, and her heirs, 5 negroes, Pheby,
Jack, Hannibal, Nan, and Tom.
I give my daughter, Jane Poythress, and her heirs, 5 negroes, Phillis, Nan,
Titus, Scot, and Phillis.
All the remainder of my estate I give and devise to be equally divided
between my wife and 3 sons.
I appoint my wife and sons, Robert and Peter, to be my executors. Robert
Poythress. The witnesses were Richard Bland, William Batte and William
Poythress. The Will was recorded at a court held at Fitzgerald's for Prince
George County, September 13, 1743. The widow and executrix, Elizabeth
Poythress, exhibited the Will, with Robert Poythress, and qualified as
executors. All witnesses proved the Will.
Robert Poythress received 350 acres at the Indian swamp from his father,
John Poythress, in his December 11, 1712, Will. On May 9, 1717, Robert
Poythress bought 500 acres, in Prince George County, from Stith Bolling. On
September 12, 1721, Robert exchanged 267 acres with William Parham for 100
acres in Martin's Brandon, Prince George County. On March 22, 1732, Robert
leased 267 acres at the Indian swamp to John Parham. On September 28, 1728,
Robert bought 291 acres at the Butterwood swamp, in Prince George County,
which he left to his son, Robert Poythress, in his 1743 Will. On July 12,
1735, Robert bought 600 acres from his brother, David Poythress, part of
which, Tanotoro, was left by John Poythress to his son, David Poythress, in
his 1712 Will. Robert left this land to his son, Peter Poythress, in his
1743 Will. On September 28, 1728, Robert had land adjacent to the 297 acres
bought by Robert Glover, in Prince George County. He left this property to
his son, Peter Poythress, in his 1743 Will. On June 17, 1735, Robert bought
412 acres, in Surry County, from Thomas Bolling, Mariner, which he left to
his son, William Poythress, in his 1743 Will. On June 1, 1741, Robert bought
400 acres, in Amelia county, that he left to his son, William, in his 1743
Will.
In June, 1794, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, of Chesterfield
County, daughter of Robert Poythress, late of Prince George County,
deceased, a deed to Henry Archer [son-in-law], of Chesterfield County, for
£100, 1/5th interest in 8 negroes and their increase devised by her father,
Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, in his Will dated May 24, 1743,
in which Will said Robert Poythress provided that his wife should have a
life interest in the said negroes and their increase should be equally
divided between the three sons of the said Robert Poythress, viz. Robert,
Peter and William Poythress, and such of the testators daughters as were
married at the time of their mother's death. The said Tabitha being married
at the time of her mother's death conveys this interest. In 1794, in
Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, one of the daughters and legatees of
Robert Poythress, deceased, versus William Mayo, acting executor of Peter
Poythress, deceased. The court ordered the commissioners to set aside to
said plaintiff certain negroes out of the estate of Robert Poythress,
deceased, with the increase since his death, and also estimate hire from the
death of said Peter Poythress, and make report to this court. Summary Bill
of Complaint. Elizabeth Poythress possessed herself of 12 slaves according
to the will of Robert Poythress. She died many years after her husband,
surviving her sons, Robert and William. The slaves then devolved to their
brother, Peter. Until her death, Elizabeth Poythress lived with or near said
Peter and he had management of her affairs. He was entitled to 3/5 of the
slaves at her death in behalf of himself and his two deceased brothers,
William and Robert. At that time, only 2 of the testator's daughters were
unmarried, the oratrix, Tabitha Randolph, and her sister, Elizabeth Gilliam.
Peter continued to keep under his care the 8 negroes of which he was 3/5
owner. He died a few years past. William Mayo, Esquire, was the acting
executor of the said Peter Poythress and continued to hold possession of the
said 8 slaves, though often requested to give the oratrix her share. She
desired an accounting of the 8 slaves and their issue and sex be given, then
her 1/5 of said slaves and 1/5 of labor since the death of said Peter
Poythress to be allotted to her.
Activities of the Widow
On October 16, 1747, in the Bristol parish Vestry Book, payment was ordered
to the executors of Robert Poythress. On November 10, 1748, at a Vestry held
at the Brick Church for Bristol parish, present, among others, Colonel
William Poythress. It was ordered, to Colonel William Poythress repairing
the Glebe, £2/10/0; to cash paid to Robert Poythress, executors, £22/14/2;
to Colonel Poythress, £0/12/0.
On August 15, 1748, in the Amelia County court, Road Order. It was ordered
that William Stone be appointed Surveyor of the Road from the County line
into James Jackson's and that Robert Taylor, Lewis Hammond, William Manire,
Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress, George Hill, Henry Clark, Robert Stadley, John
Bentley and all their male laboring tithables assist him in doing so.
On May 16, 1749, in the Surry County court, upon the attachment obtained by
Peter Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress, executors &c. of Robert Poythress,
deceased, and Joshua Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased,
against the estate of Thomas Sessom who has privately removed himself or so
absconded that the ordinary process of law cannot be served on him for a
debt of £62/1/4 Current Money due to the plaintiff from the said defendants.
This day came the plaintiff by their attorney and the Sheriff having made
return that he had executed the said Writ in the hands of Richard Hill and
had summoned him to appear whereupon he the aforesaid Hill being solemnly
called but made default and it appearing to the court that there is due to
the plaintiff £10/11/8½ from the said defendant. Therefore it was that the
plaintiff recover the aforesaid sum of £10/11/8½ against the said Richard
Hill together with interest for the same after the rate of five Centum per
annum to be computed from May 4, 1749, to the time of payment and their
costs by them expended and the said defendant in mercy &c. Joshua Poythress,
son of Joshua Poythress, and first cousin of Thomas Poythress, was the
executor of Thomas Poythress' (1683-1749) Will. Peter Poythress and his
mother, Elizabeth, were the executors of Robert Poythress' Will. Peter
Poythress was a son of Robert Poythress.
On May 15, 1750, in the Surry County court, attachment was obtained by Peter
and Elizabeth Poythress, executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, and Joshua
Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased, against the estate of
Thomas Sisson.
In May, 1751, in the Surry County court, Joshua Poythress, assignee of
Robert and Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge,
Gentleman, plaintiffs against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. The
defendant being arrested and now called and not appearing it was therefore
considered that the plaintiff recover against the said defendant and William
Longbottom his Security for his appearance the debt in the declaration
mentioned amounting to £___ and his costs by him in this behalf expended
unless the defendant shall appear at the next court and plead.
On June 7, 1751, in the Chesterfield County court, Elizabeth Poythress,
plaintiff, against Henry Reveland, defendant, on a petition the defendant
being no inhabitant, suit abates.
In July, 1751, in the Surry County court, Elizabeth and Peter Poythress,
executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, plaintiffs against Judith Eldridge,
executrix of Thomas Eldridge, deceased, defendant on a Scire facias to have
execution of a decree of this court obtained by the plaintiff's testator in
his lifetime against the said defendant the 21st day of July 1742. The
defendant appeared by her counsel and prayed and has leave until the next
court to answer. In the same month, Joshua Poythress, assignee of Robert and
Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge, plaintiff, against
Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. Discontinued and by consent of the
defendant it was ordered that he pay unto the plaintiff his costs. Tobacco
costs 107 pounds.
On August 9, 1751, in the Henrico County records, Will Book 1, the Will of
Elizabeth Cocke, probated on the first Monday in July, 1752, mentioned her
daughter, Elizabeth Portriss, her grandson, William Fleming Cocke,
granddaughters, Rebecca, Ann and Tabitha Cocke, and her son, James Cocke,
who was named executor. Elizabeth Cocke Poythress was wife of Robert
Poythress (1690-1743).
In May , 1755, in the Sussex County court, Elizabeth and Peter Poythress,
executors, &c, of Robert Poythress, deceased, who was assignee of Judith
Eldridge, executrix of Thomas Eldridge, deceased, plaintiffs versus Henry
Meachum, executor, &c, of Edward Mecham, deceased, defendant, presentment
for adultery. The case was continued. In February, 1756, Elizabeth and Peter
Poythress, executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, who was assignee of
Judith Eldridge, executrix of Thomas Eldridge, deceased. plaintiffs against
Henry Meachum, executor of Edward Meacham, deceased, defendant by petition
for 38 shillings said to be due by Note of hand. This day came the parties
by their attorneys who being heard of and upon the premises and mature
deliberation thereupon had and the plaintiff producing the said Note for the
aforesaid sum of thirty eight shillings therefore it was considered that the
plaintiffs recover the same against the said defendant and his costs by him
in this behalf hands of the said Henry if so much thereof he hath in his
hands unadministered, if not, the cost was to be levied of his own proper
goods and chattles. Present was Thomas Vines, Gentleman.
Will of the Widow
April 12, 1787, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Poythress, of
Prince George County, the widow of Peter Poythress (deceased as well). In
consideration of natural affection for daughter, Sally Lee, and "to prevent
any dispute which may happen in the construction of my husband's Will
respecting the devise in the said Will of Kate's daughter, "Fanny," to my
said daughter, Sally Lee" "which was in said Will devised to me," I give my
said daughter, Sally Lee, the said negro, Fanny, and her children, Becky,
Betty and Kate and their increase" "my hand and seal the ___ day of ____,
1787. Signed by Elizabeth Poythress. The witnesses were John Batte, Tabitha
Randolph and William Bingham. On April 14, 1787, at a court held this date,
for Prince George County, this foregoing deed from Elizabeth Poythress to
her daughter, Sally Lee, was proved by the oaths of John Batte and William
Bingham. Sally Bland Poythress Lee (1768-1828) was the daughter of Peter
Poythress and Elizabeth Bland. Sally married Squire Richard Lee (1727-1795).
Tabitha Poythress Randolph (1725-1805), Peter Poythress' sister, was one of
the witnesses. John Batte (1757-1816), a son-in-law of Peter Poythress, was
married to Mary Poythress (1762-1815), and was also a witness.
June, 1793, in Chesterfield County, deed of Tabitha (Poythress) Randolph, of
Chesterfield County, daughter of Robert Poythress, late of Prince George
County, deceased, a deed to Henry Archer of Chesterfield County, L100. 1/5
interest in 8 negroes and their increase devised by her father, Robert
Poythress, of Prince George County, in his Will dated May 24, 1743, in which
the said Robert Poythress provided that his wife should have a life interest
in the said negroes and their increase and that at her death the said
negroes and their increase should be equally divided between the three sons
of the said Robert Poythress, viz. Robert, Peter, and William Poythress, and
such of the testators daughters as were married at the time of their mother's
death. The said Tabitha being married at the time of her mother's death
conveys this interest. In 1794, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph,
one of the daughters and legatees of Robert Poythress, deceased, versus
William Mayo, acting executor of Peter Poythress, deceased. The court
ordered the commissioners to set aside to said plaintiff certain negroes out
of the estate of Robert Poythress, deceased, with the increase since his
death, and also estimate hire from the death of said Peter Poythress, and
make report to this court.
In June, 1794, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, of Chesterfield
County, daughter of Robert Poythress, late of Prince George County,
deceased, a deed to Henry Archer [son-in-law], of Chesterfield County, £100.
1/5 interest in 8 negroes and their increase devised by her father, Robert
Poythress, of Prince George County, in his Will dated May 24, 1743, in which
Will said Robert Poythress provided that his wife should have a life
interest in the said negroes and their increase should be equally divided
between the three sons of the said Robert Poythress, viz. Robert, Peter and
William Poythress, and such of the testators daughters as were married at
the time of their mother's death. The said Tabitha being married at the time
of her mother's death conveys this interest.
Summary Bill of Complaint. Elizabeth Poythress possessed herself of 12
slaves according to the will of Robert Poythress. She died many years after
her husband, surviving her sons, Robert and William. The slaves then
devolved to their brother, Peter. Until her death, Elizabeth Poythress lived
with or near said Peter and he had management of her affairs. He was
entitled to 3/5 of the slaves at her death in behalf of himself and his two
deceased brothers, William and Robert. At that time, only 2 of the testator's
daughters were unmarried, your oratrix, Tabitha Randolph, and her sister,
Elizabeth Gilliam. Peter continued to keep under his care the 8 negroes of
which he was 3/5 owner. He died a few years past. William Mayo, Esquire, is
the acting executor of said Peter Poythress and continues to hold possession
of the said 8 slaves, though often requested to give your oratrix her share.
She desires an accounting of the 8 slaves and their issue and sex be given,
then her 1/5 of said slaves and 1/5 of labor since the death of said Peter
Poythress to be allotted to her.
Have You Already Been DNA-Tested?
A few months ago, I was interviewed as part of an "expert panel" on the
future of genealogy. Not surprisingly, I spouted off about my confidence
in the ever-growing role of genetic genealogy, which I like to condense
to 'genetealogy.'
Eye-Opener
When the article came out, I received a bit of an education. Others had
remarked that genetealogy wouldn't be much of a factor until the
databases of genetic data were as large as those of genealogical data --
until the entries numbered in the millions as they do at Ancestry.com,
FamilySearch.org and so forth.
It was only then that I realized for the first time that many -- and
possibly most -- genealogists are unaware of an important, fundamental
aspect of genetealogy. While it's true that genetic databases are
measured in the thousands rather than millions, each person whose
results are included is representing tens or hundreds of relatives by
proxy. In other words, the DNA databases are far beefier than their
absolute numbers would seem to indicate.
A Little Background
This might be a good time to back up a bit for a quick refresher. For
those who are new to genetealogy, it helps to know that Y-DNA testing is
by far the most popular. Only men have a Y-chromosome and it's passed
intact from father to son down through the generations. It travels
through the centuries and worms its way through our family trees
essentially the same way that surnames do, and that's why surname
projects are such a popular application.
Simply put, Y-DNA and surnames go hand-in-hand. Because of this, when
one man gets tested, he represents a number of others sporting the same
surname. His father, brothers, paternal uncles, and paternal cousins
(both living and back in time through the generations) all share the
same Y-DNA.
For instance, being female, I don't have Y-DNA, so when I wanted to test
the Smolenyak family I was born into, I asked my father. But I could
have also turned to one of my brothers, my father's brother, or a male
Smolenyak cousin. Similarly, when I wanted to get my maternal
grandmother's maiden name (Reynolds) represented in a Reynolds surname
project , I
sought out a male Reynolds cousin -- in this case, a first cousin once
removed -- to take the test.
One Y-DNA Test Goes a Long Way
I was curious about the ripple effect of a single DNA sample, so as an
experiment, I counted how many people in my family tree were represented
by proxy by my father's test. The result? 62. Of these, 32 are alive. Of
course, that figure will grow over time as I continue my research and
identify other Smolenyaks -- and as fresh sprouts are added to the
branches of our family tree!
On the day I wrote this article, the largest testing company's website
indicated that their database contained 47,857 Y-DNA records. If my
father is typical, then 47,857 x 62 people have been tested by proxy --
about 2,967,134 people by just one company.
How typical is my father's 62? I have no idea. His family strikes me as
fairly average size-wise, but even if we were to assume that his family
is three times the average, this one company's database would still hold
genetic clues for about a million people. And if his figure is on the
low side, who knows how many millions have already been tested-by-cousin
and simply don't know it?
Where to Dig?
So how do you find out if you're one of the many whose distant cousin
has already swabbed his cheek for your benefit? That's the tricky part.
Ideally, in the future, genetic and genealogical databases will merge so
that you'll be informed of DNA representation when you search on an
ancestor's name in a conventional genealogy database, such as Ancestry
World Tree.
Current DNA surname project managers might want to consider using the
Post-em feature to
add notes to relevant, existing family trees at Ancestry.com to inform
others that a genetic project is underway and explain where to go for
more information. Doing so could serve as a bit of a bridge for the time
being. It's also possible to add a comment when uploading your own
trees, although the only examples
d=I391> I can find at present are ones dealing with mtDNA, which
focuses primarily on maternal lines.
But for now, if you want to find out if there's already a project on one
or more surnames of interest to you, you'll have to do a little surfing
as I explained in an earlier article .
To be thorough, you'll want to explore several DNA testing company sites
and one or more of the online public access databases. Also, since the
time I wrote this previous article, it's now become possible to search
by surname at the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation site. Results come with pedigrees attached, so
you can browse them for your ancestors -- a powerful option.
And the old standby -- googling a combination of 'DNA' and 'genealogy'
and the surname of interest -- will frequently pop up a website
dedicated to the relevant project. You might also want to try
substituting a location or ethnic group for the surname, as there are
more and more such projects. Louis Loccisano's Calabria DNA Project and Doug Miller's
French-Canadian/Acadian/Metis/Cajun Heritage DNA Project are a couple of
interesting examples (and if you have any roots in Osturna, Slovakia, be
sure to contact me to join my village study!).
Already Tested?
What if your surfing reveals that you're one of the lucky ones who have
already been tested by proxy? Perhaps you've discovered that other
descendants of your direct line great-great-great-grandfather have
already participated in a project centered on your surname. If so,
congratulations! Now what? You'll definitely want to communicate with
the project's manager, and if the contact information is provided, that
cousin of yours who was thoughtful enough to get tested. But if you want
to learn still more, scribble down that pile of numbers that represents
your DNA results and stay tuned for my next article on online resources
for further analysis. That also goes for those of you who have just been
tested yourselves and aren't sure what to do next!
P.S. On Orphan Heirlooms
In addition to the orphan heirloom rescues I write about in this column,
I'll be sharing still more rescues in an Ancestry Magazine column, so
I'm on the lookout for more strays. If you have any you'd like to
submit, please use the form on my website
to do so.
Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, co-author (with Ann Turner) of Trace Your
Roots with DNA: Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree (as well
as In Search of Our Ancestors, Honoring Our Ancestors and They Came to
America), can be contacted through www.genetealogy.com and
www.honoringourancestors.com.
12/12/2005 4:42:34
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
Thanks Deloris. I am glad to see Wynne cousins. Maybe we can get a handle on
things....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> Mike, I am overwhelmed by your detailed story based on Major Joshua
> Wynne. It gratifies my heart so much good to know there is at least one
> person (I know there are more) who has worked as hard as I "think" I
> have on the family of Colonel Robert Wynne of Virginia. I hope you are
> planning on publishing your work. Before you do, I want to go over my
> information and compare it to yours to see if there is anything I can
> add. You have done a very comprehensive job! This may sound "corny"
> but You have done something that will help genealogists for years to
> come. Thank you, thank you. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
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12/12/2005 9:20:23
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
I will have to look and see what other information I have.....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reginia Winn"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
>I too would like to see this information as I have quite a collection on
>the Wynne, Wynn, Winn lines.
> Thanks
> Reginia White Winn reginia@wt.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
>
>> Mike, I am overwhelmed by your detailed story based on Major Joshua
>> Wynne. It gratifies my heart so much good to know there is at least one
>> person (I know there are more) who has worked as hard as I "think" I
>> have on the family of Colonel Robert Wynne of Virginia. I hope you are
>> planning on publishing your work. Before you do, I want to go over my
>> information and compare it to yours to see if there is anything I can
>> add. You have done a very comprehensive job! This may sound "corny"
>> but You have done something that will help genealogists for years to
>> come. Thank you, thank you. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
>> generation
>>
>> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
>> cousins.
>> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>>
>> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
>> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
>> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
>> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
>> Peter
>> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
>> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
>> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
>> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
>> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
>> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
>> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
>> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
>> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>>
>> Family
>> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
>> City
>> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
>> Robert
>> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
>> man
>> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
>> October
>> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
>> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>>
>> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
>> his
>> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
>> Jones
>> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
>> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
>> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
>> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
>> that
>> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
>> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
>> who
>> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
>> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
>> (2)
>> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
>> Worsham
>> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>>
>> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
>> Mary;
>> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
>> William
>> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
>> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
>> Indians
>> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
>> men.
>> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
>> aggressors
>> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
>> the
>> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
>> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
>> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
>> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
>> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
>> that
>> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>>
>> Son, Peter Wynne
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
>> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
>> acres, on
>> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
>> Wynne,
>> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>>
>> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
>> Hamlin,
>> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
>> to
>> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
>> of
>> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>>
>> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
>> Meredith
>> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
>> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
>> his
>> security.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
>> Elder,
>> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
>> the
>> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>>
>> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
>> lived,
>> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>>
>> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
>> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
>> Bonner
>> and Thomas Poythress.
>> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
>> Goodwynn
>> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
>> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
>> lands
>> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
>> back of
>> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>>
>> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
>> named
>> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
>> Thomas
>> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
>> the
>> day and year within mentioned.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
>> Poythress,
>> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>>
>> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
>> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
>> languishes.
>> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
>> Thomas
>> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
>> witnesses.
>>
>> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
>> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
>> John
>> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
>> on
>> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
>> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
>> were
>> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
>> witnessed
>> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>>
>> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
>> Eldridge
>> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>>
>> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
>> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>>
>> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
>> and
>> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>>
>> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>>
>> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
>> October 1, 1729.
>> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
>> son,
>> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
>> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
>> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
>> daughter,
>> my granddaughter.
>> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>>
>> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
>> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
>> To son, William, items.
>> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
>> Martha
>> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
>> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
>> To grandson, Isham Epes.
>> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
>> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
>> and
>> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
>> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
>> were
>> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George
>> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
>> the
>> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
>> Pace,
>> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>>
>> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
>> Richard
>> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
>> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
>> and
>> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
>> of
>> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
>> daughter
>> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
>> Wynne
>> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
>> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>>
>> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
>> 1720.
>> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
>> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
>> third
>> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
>> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
>> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
>> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
>> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
>> their
>> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
>> featherbed.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
>> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
>> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>>
>> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
>> to
>> him and his heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
>> High
>> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
>> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
>> heirs
>> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
>> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
>> Prince
>> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
>> Richard
>> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
>> hereafter
>> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
>> if
>> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
>> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
>> each of
>> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
>> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
>> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
>> making
>> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>>
>> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
>> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
>> court
>> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>>
>> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
>> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
>> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
>> proved
>> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
>> witnesses
>> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
>> the
>> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
>> Certificate
>> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>>
>> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
>> Irby,
>> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
>> the
>> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
>> return
>> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
>> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> (1694-1729)
>> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>>
>> Son, Robert Wynne
>> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
>> probated May 21, 1718.
>> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
>> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
>> shilling each.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
>> then
>> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
>> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
>> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
>> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
>> Mrs.
>> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
>> of
>> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
>> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
>> Reed
>> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
>> his
>> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
>> one,
>> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>>
>> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
>> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
>> was
>> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
>> Poythress
>> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
>> of
>> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
>> of
>> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>>
>> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
>> shortly
>> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
>> begs
>> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>>
>> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
>> to
>> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
>> ship
>> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
>> the
>> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
>> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
>> Batte,
>> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
>> Rebecca,
>> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
>> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
>> and
>> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
>> same.
>> Peter Perry.
>> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
>> of
>> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
>> from
>> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
>> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
>> Randall
>> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
>> Daniell,
>> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
>> Anderson,
>> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
>> Bland,
>> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
>> George
>> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
>> was
>> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
>> Peter
>> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>>
>> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
>> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
>> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
>> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
>> and
>> James Thweatt.
>> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
>> appointed
>> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
>> their
>> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
>> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
>> 1703,
>> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
>> Wynne
>> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
>> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
>> the
>> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
>> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>>
>> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
>> averting a
>> tribal war.
>> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
>> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>>
>> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
>> line on
>> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
>> discover
>> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
>> were to
>> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
>> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
>> Gentleman,
>> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
>> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>>
>> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
>> Frances
>> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>>
>> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
>> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
>> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
>> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
>> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
>> Nottoway
>> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
>> the
>> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
>> or
>> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
>> the
>> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
>> where
>> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
>> Monksneck
>> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
>> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
>> is on
>> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
>> places,
>> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
>> and
>> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
>> the
>> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
>> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
>> Unote,
>> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
>> Taurara,
>> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
>> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
>> 12,
>> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
>> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>>
>> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
>> Thweatt
>> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
>> was in
>> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
>> in
>> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
>> he
>> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>>
>> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
>> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
>> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
>> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
>> William
>> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
>> James
>> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
>> James
>> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
>> June
>> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
>> commission
>> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
>> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
>> sterling.
>> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
>> the
>> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
>> of
>> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>>
>> Property: Land
>> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
>> On
>> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
>> from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
>> Bartholomew,
>> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
>> of
>> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
>> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
>> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
>> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
>> side of
>> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
>> Poythress
>> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
>> Elizabeth Burwell.
>> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
>> in
>> 1708.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
>> Randolph,
>> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>>
>> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
>> court to
>> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
>> marry
>> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
>> marry
>> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
>> Frances,
>> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
>> relict
>> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
>> and
>> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
>> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
>> fathers.
>> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
>> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
>> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
>> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
>> live
>> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
>> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
>> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
>> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>>
>> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>>
>> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
>> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>>
>> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
>> knew
>> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
>> and
>> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
>> John
>> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
>> Mrs.
>> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>>
>> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>>
>> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
>> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>>
>> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>>
>> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
>> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
>> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
>> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
>> Jane
>> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
>> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
>> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
>> death. He
>> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
>> witness,
>> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
>> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
>> Poythress'
>> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>>
>> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
>> approximately the same age.
>> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
>> and
>> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
>> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>>
>> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
>> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
>> Henry
>> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
>> Littlebury
>> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
>> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
>> the
>> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
>> any
>> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
>> 1705, at
>> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
>> the
>> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
>> her
>> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
>> Francis
>> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
>> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>>
>> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
>> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
>> and
>> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
>> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>>
>> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
>> Elizabeth
>> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
>> (1658-1718),
>> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
>> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
>> William
>> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
>> at
>> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
>> plantation
>> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
>> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
>> endorsement
>> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
>> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
>> son,
>> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>>
>> married Elizabeth Shands.
>>
>> Family Estates
>> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
>> George
>> County, proved December 11, 1712.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
>> live
>> on, to him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
>> and
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
>> to
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
>> to
>> him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
>> the
>> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
>> of
>> the said fifty acres of land.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
>> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
>> Frank Cook at nattuah.
>> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
>> increase.
>> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
>> increase.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
>> and
>> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
>> disposing.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>>
>> Tom.
>> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
>> Cook.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
>> during
>> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
>> cow
>> and calf and a new gun.
>> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
>> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
>> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
>> account of what they have in hand.
>> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
>> negro
>> child, Shu, goes with all.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
>> and
>> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
>> at her own disposing.
>> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
>> this
>> my last will and testament.
>> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
>> Stainback to
>> be the dividers of my estate.
>> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
>> Leeth,
>> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
>> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
>> written
>> last Will and testament of Mr. John
>> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
>> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
>> and
>> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
>> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
>> the
>> same is admitted to record.
>>
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Mr. Peter Poythress, of Prince George County, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 3rd Generation
Michael Tutor
The Third Generation: Mr. Peter Poythress, of Prince George County, Indian
Trader and Interpreter
R. Bolling Batte on Peter Poythress
[27 Peter Poythress m. 1711 in Charles City Anne_____, a widow, whose own
maiden name and the name of her first husband are unknown. He was sometimes
referred to as "Peter Poythress of Flowerdew Hundred" to distinguish him
from his nephew (and son-in-law) Peter Poythress "of Branchester."
271 Anne Poythress (1712 - 1758), m. Richard Bland (1710 - 1776) "of
Jordans," son of Richard and Elizabeth (Randolph) Bland. Their daughter
Elizabeth was the wife of Peter Poythress 281 "of Branchester."]
[15. Peter Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born ABT 1690 in VA
[(P_1) BG][ also 142 C]"Flowerdew Hundred." He married Anne ______ 1711 in
Charles City County, Virginia. She was born in [Widow of B.K.R?].
Child of Peter Poythress and Anne ______ is:
+ 49 i. Anne Poythress was born 13 DEC 1712 in VA [(P_1) BGA], and died 9
APR 1758 in VA at Bland's Point.]
Family
Peter Poythress was born about 1676 in Charles City County, Virginia, the
son of John Poythress and Christian Peebles. He married Anne (Jones) Baker,
on March 4, 1712, in Charles City County. Their only child, Anne Poythress
(12/13/1712-4/9/1758), married Richard Bland on March 21, 1729, the son of
Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Peter died before February, 1763.
Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of Peter's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., had appointed his half-brothers, Thomas
Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his
estate. He appointed Peter's mother, Christian, and Peter's older brother,
John Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He named his two brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to divide his estate. He gave
his son, Peter, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, and their increase, and an equal
share of his moveable estate. Peter, and his brother, John, were to give an
account of what they had in hand. The witnesses of the Will were John
Winningham, Peter Leeth, Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
Professional Life
Peter was a militia officer in Prince George County by March, 12, 1702. He
was an Indian trader and interpreter, and worked closely with William Byrd
II, of Westover parish, who mentioned Peter quite often in his personal
diary.
In Byrd's diary for September 8, 1711, Byrd stated that they sat in council
concerning the Indians, and that some tributary Indians came before them and
promised to be very amiable to the white man. It was agreed that they should
send Peter Poythress to the Tuscarora Indians to treat with them and to
demand the release of Baron Graffenriedt who was prisoner among the Indians.
It was also decided that the militia of Prince George, Surry, and Isle of
Wight counties would meet at Nottoway town, in Isle of Wight County, on the
following Wednesday and that Governor Spotswood would be there, with them,
to show the strength of the white man to the Indians. That evening, several
gentlemen joined the council, including Mr. Richard Bland, who brought
letters from the Governor of Carolina that told how backwards the
Carolinians were in their daily lives. About 10 o'clock, they went to bed
and Colonel Ludwell stayed the night. Baron Christopher de Graffenriedt, a
Swiss, had been instrumental in settling the Swiss and Palatine Germans in
North Carolina. He and John Lawson, the surveyor-general of North Carolina,
were responsible for the settlement of New Bern, North Carolina. When the
Tuscarora Indians revolted in 1711, de Graffenriedt and Lawson were
captured. Graffenriedt was later released but John Lawson was burned at the
stake.
In Byrd's diary for October 9, 1711, about 3 o'clock, the Tuscarora Indians
came with their guard and Mr. Peter Poythress. He told the Governor that the
Baron was alive but that Mr. Lawson was killed because he had been so
foolish as to threaten the Indian who had taken him. The Indians were
treated with and dispersed.
In Byrd's diary for January 21, 1712, Mr. Peter Poythress arrived at Byrd's
house and brought him a letter from his brother, Custis, who wrote that the
Governor was angry about what Byrd had said regarding a particular issue.
In Byrd's diary, for the afternoon of February 5, 1712, Byrd ordered his
sloop to go to Colonel Eppes' for some poplar trees for Governor Spotswood
and then he went to visit Mrs. Harrison. He stayed with her until the
evening when he returned home and walked about his plantation. When he
returned to his house, he learned that Peter Poythress had been there.
In Byrd's diary, on March 4, 1712, Byrd arose about 7 o'clock and prepared
to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne Baker and Mr. Peter Poythress. He and his
family set out in his coach and got to Colonel Edward Hill's before 12 o'clock.
They did not find much company there just relations of the bride and groom
and some neighbors. About 12 o'clock, Mr. Poythress and Mrs. Anne Baker were
married and about 2 o'clock they had dinner. That evening they danced and
had a very, merry time.
In Byrd's diary, on March 16, 1712, in the afternoon, Peter Poythress came
over the James River, from Flowerdew Hundred, the home of Governor
Spotswood, and told Byrd that the Governor had received the Tuscaroras very
coldly and had ordered them to go and help the people of Carolina cut off
Hancock town, of which order the Indians said they would comply.
Richard Colbert has the following information and more at www.angelfire.com.
It is an interesting article and contains many of the people from Prince
George County, Virginia.
Chickasaw Indian traders lived along the Roanoke River near Plumtree (Mush)
Island, the Occoneechee Neck, and Quankey Creek. Licensed Indian traders of
Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina, included Robert Lang, Charles
Hicks, John Brown, William Gilchrist, Abraham Colson, James Anderson,
William Kemp, James Moore, Richard Hyde, John Sims, William Williams, and
John Pettygrew.
Gideon Gibson was one of the wealthiest men at Sandy Bluff and a "free man
of color." He lived near the Occoneechee Neck adjacent to land owned by
Arthur Kavanaugh, Ralph Mason, and Richard Turbeville before buying land on
Quankey Creek from Robert Lang, a Chickasaw and Cherokee Indian trader. Lang
also owned land at Elk Marsh and Plumbtree Island. Lang had received his
land patents at Quankey Creek and Plumbtree Island on March 1, 1719/20.
Gideon's brother, Jordan, went west with Daniel Boone. Benjamin Cutbirth
(Calvert/Colbert) was also a member of Daniel Boone's entourage. Robert Lang
and Gideon Gibson were not the only woodsmen who lived at Quankey Creek in
North Carolina. Joseph Sims and James Moore also lived there. These woodsmen
also traded with the Chickasaws. During the off-season, they often rested at
Sandy Bluff before returning to North Carolina.
Peter Jones had accompanied Joseph Colson, Robert Hicks, Major Mumford, and
William Byrd II during the survey of "Eden." On the south side of the James
River below the mountains the frontier at this time was represented by the
Welsh settlement on the Meherrin River; Colonel William Byrd's improvements
on the Roanoke above Sandy Creek, including the three islands, Sapponi,
Occoneechee and Totero; Major Robert Munford's Quarter nearby; Colonel
William Byrd's "Land of Eden" on the Dan and Major Mayo's Survey adjoining;
Richard and William Kennon's grant on Cub Creek which supplied farmsteads
for John Caldwell's Presbyterian Colony. Three years later, on June 24,
1724, Joseph Calvert bought an additional 250 acres from John Gray "on
Morratuck River and Plumbtree Island adjacent to William Green, Near Foltera
Fort. The lands bought by Colson/Calvert, and Turbeville on the north side
of the Morratuck (Roanoke) River were near an Indian path that led to the
courthouse in Brunswick County, Virginia, and to the plantation of Major
Robert Mumford [Munford]. The Turbevilles, Colsons, and Calverts worked for
Major Robert Mumford of Brunswick County, Virginia, and with Thomas
Whitmell. Major Mumford was a large land speculator and the descendant of an
Indian trading family. The Mumfords had traded alongside men like Abraham
Wood, Benjamin Harrison, Robert Bolling, William Byrd I, Peter Poythress,
and Robert Hicks since the late 1600s. The Turbevilles learned of the
Occoneechee Neck on the Roanoke through their association with Arthur
Kavanaugh and Major Robert Mumford. By 1712, both Kavanaugh and Mumford were
large landowners in Virginia and North Carolina. Kavanaugh began selling his
North Carolina patents in 1713 and Mumford acted as his attorney. Thomas
Whitmell, the Indian trader, bought 600 acres from Kavanaugh on the north
side of the Morattuck River in 1715.
Before moving to North Carolina, the Turbevilles sold the land they owned in
Prince George County, Virginia, to Peter Mitchell, an Indian trader and land
speculator. Mitchell lived high on the Roanoke River near the Caldwells and
James Logan. Anderson was also an Indian trader and land speculator who
worked with Mumford. Prior to 1722, Anderson lived with his family on the
Occoneechee Neck of the Roanoke River. Before moving to the Roanoke River
and the Occoneechee, Anderson had lived in Prince George County, Virginia.
Prince George County records reveal that in the 1704 "Rent Roll of all the
lands held in the County," the following names were listed: John Anderson,
Lewis Green, Peter Jones, Peter Mitchell, Hubert Gibson, Colonel Robert
Bolling, Colonel Benjamin Harrison, Arthur Kavanaugh, Francis Poythress,
Sr., Daniel Higdon, Colonel William Byrd, Robert Hix, Robert Munford,
Richard Turberfield, and William Eppes. In 1722, Major Mumford and John
Anderson were the first individuals to apply for a patent in present-day
Mecklenburg County in Virginia. It was for "2,811 acres in the fork of
Cock's (now Poplar) Creek" and the Roanoke River. When Richard Turbeville
and his family moved to North Carolina, they lived on the Occoneechee with
other Chickasaw traders and next to Anderson, Colson, Pace, Mason, Gibson,
Lang, and Thomas Whitmell. On March 1, 1719/20, the Lords Proprietors of
North Carolina issued patents to Plumbtree Island and on the south side of
Plumbtree Swamp abutting the island. These patents went to Thomas Whitmell,
William Green, John Cotton, John Geddes, William Reeves, Barnaby Milton, and
Robert Lang.
Civic Activities
On June 12, 1716, Gilbert Hay, John Wilkins, Peter Poythress and James
Jones, Jr., were ordered to appraise Jack and Diana Day, which was under the
care of William Formlington.
In June, 1716, on the petition of William Tomlinson, it was ordered that
Jack, an Indian boy, be bound by the churchwardens of Westover parish until
he was 21. Gilbert Hay, John Wilkins, Peter Poythress and James Jones, Jr.,
were to appraise him.
On April 19, 1717, on the petition of John Hobbs, a surveyor of the
highways, it was ordered that Captain John Poythress' tithables, James
Bishop, William Hobbes, Peter Poythress and William Poythress were to assist
Hobbs in clearing the highways.
Property: Personal Property and Land
On October 11, 1719, Tom, a negro boy, belonging to Peter Poythress, was
judged to be nine years old and on October 13, 1719, Amy, a negro girl
belonging to Peter Poythress, was judged to be eleven years old.
On February 14, 1721, William Moore, of Southwarke parish, in Surry County,
sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George County, 92 acres, in Lawne's Creek
parish, in Surry County, bounded by the north side of Three Creeks. The
witness was James Chappell.
On September 12, 1721, Adam Ivy, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Peter Poythress, of the same parish, and county, 40
acres, in Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, adjoining Peter
Poythress. The witnesses were Peter Wynne and Robert Poythress.
On October 4, 1721, John Hardyman, and his wife, Henrietta Maria, of Prince
George County, sold to Peter Poythress, of the same county, all that Water
Grist or Corn Mill now called by the name of Hardyman's Flower Mill, located
on Powell's Creek, in Martin's Brandon parish, and 100 acres of land
adjoining the mill purchased by John Hardyman, late of Prince George County,
father to the aforesaid John Hardyman, by a deed dated March 3, 1690. The
witnesses were Francis Eppes, Jr., Elizabeth Duke and Margaret Goodrich.
On December 12, 1721, Hubbard Gibson and Mary, his wife, and Edward Gibson,
their son, of North Carolina, sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George
County, 200 acres, on the north side of the Blackwater Swamp, in Prince
George County, the same being part of a greater tract of land granted to
Francis Poythress, now deceased, and since his death the said land was
granted to John Poythress, son to the aforesaid Francis Poythress, as lapsed
from the said Francis Poythress and by the said John Poythress sold unto the
aforesaid, Hubbard Gibson, his wife, Mary and their son, Edward Gibson, by
deed dated December 11, 1704. The witnesses were Richard Cureton, Richard
Sykes and John Fennel.
On February 15, 1726, Henry Jones and Katherine, his wife, of Surry County,
sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George County, 250 acres on the south
side of the Nottaway River, bounded by Flatt Swamp, in Surry County. The
witnesses were William Poythress, William Freeman and William Dennis.
On July 12, 1726, Littlebury Hardyman, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, a tract or parcel of land lying or being on Harris Run
on the south side of the James River [no acreage specified but complete
description of bounds]. The witnesses were William Poythress and Nick'o.
Hatchs, at a court at Merchant's Hope.
Based upon the purchases above, Peter bought over 682 acres: 92 acres in
Lawne's Creek parish, in Surry County; 140 acres and a Mill in Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County; 200 acres in Prince George County
that previously belonged to Major Francis Poythress; 250 acres in Surry
County; and, some acreage along Harris Run. It is not known how much land
Peter possessed before 1721. Four slaves were mentioned in the possession of
Peter.
Adjoining Properties
On March 3, 1712, Robert Mumford, of Bristol parish, in Prince George
County, leased 430 acres of farm land to Richard Bland, of the City of
Williamsburg. The land was near Jordan's, between Deep Bottom and Cureton's
Bottom, and was in the occupation of Thomas Burge. Robert Mumford had
inherited 130 of the 430 acres from his father, James Munford, and had
bought 100 acres from Mr. Francis Poythress, and got the other 200 acres
from Colonel John Hardyman. The witnesses were Michael Wallace, Jane Wallace
and Dorothy Hillman. Robert Mumford worked closely with William Byrd.
On February 18, 1723, John Golitely, of Prince George County; 100 acres of
new land, in Isle of Wight County, on the north side of the Maherrin River,
adjacent to Hugh Golitely and Peter Poythress.
On December 16, 1723, Adam Ivy, of Isle of Wight County, sold to Edward
Prince, of Prince George County, 130 acres in Martin's Brandon parish,
Prince George County, bounded on the east by Gilbert Hay, on the south by
Robert Hobbs and Captain John Poythress, on the west by land lately sold by
Mr. Peter Poythress, and on the north by Gilbert Hay. The witnesses, Gilbert
Hay, Hugh Ivey, David Dunkesin. (Probably brother, John Poythress, Sr.).
On March 21, 1729, Richard Bland, "of Jordan's," son of Richard Bland and
Elizabeth Randolph, married Peter's daughter, Anne. Richard Bland was the
grandson of John Bland who, in 1657, had acquired "Jordan's" from the first
Benjamin Harrison's widow. On February 28, 1734, Richard Bland, Gentleman,
of Prince George County, was granted 140 acres of new land, in Isle of Wight
County, on the north side of the Maherrin River, adjoining Peter Poythress
and John Landry.
On May 25, 1734, Richard Hay, of Surry County, 200 acres of new land, in
Surry County, on the north side of the Three Creeks and on the west side of
Odium's Br., adjoining Peter Poythress and George Hamilton.
On August 1, 1734, William Bridges, of Surry County, 425 acres of new land,
in Surry County, on the south side of the Nottoway River, crossing the Flatt
Swamp and adjoining Peter Poythress and William Freeman.
On January 10, 1736, George Mayberry, 225 acres, in Surry County, on the
south side of the Nottoway River and up the east side of Flatt Swamp,
adjoining William Bridges and Peter Poythress.
On April 19, 1737, George Mayberry and wife, Martha Maybury, of Surry
County, to Richard Bland, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George
County, 225 acres, being land granted to George Mayberry on January 10,
1736, on the east side of Flatt Swamp and bounded by William Bridges and the
land late in the tenure of Peter Poythress but now belonging to the said
Richard Bland. The witnesses, Thomas Eldridge and Francis Mayberry.
On September 22, 1739, John Brantley, 350 acres, in Isle of Wight County, on
the north side of the Maherrin River; adjoining James Crecian, William Lee,
William Williams, Mr. Peter Poythress and Mr. John Peterson.
1742, John Golightly, of Surry County, sold to Thomas Avent (Avant), of
Surry County, 200 acres, in Surry County, on the north side of the Three
Creeks, bounded by John Morgan, 100 acres of which was located on the upper
part of a patent granted to Hugh Golightly on March 23, 1716, and was
bounded by the low grounds of Three Creeks, John Morgan and the other 100
acres on the upper side of this land, patented to John Golightly on February
18, 1723, bounded by Hugh Golightly's land and Peter Poythress. The
witnesses, Thomas Cocke and James Baker.
On November 11, 1749, in Surry County, William Bridges sold to William
Dancy, 325 acres on the south side of the Nottoway River, in Albemarle
Parish, adjoining Thomas Freeman, the mouth of Frying Pan Branch, crossing
the Flat Swamp, William Stuart, William Freeman and Peter Poythress. The
witnesses, Nicholas Massenburg, Bridges Freeman and Thomas Freeman.
As Witness
On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, sold to
Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500 acres in
Prince George County, on Southwardly Run, formerly belonging to Captain
Henry Batte, deceased. The witnesses were Peter Poythress, Peter Wynne and
Richard Raines.
Court Cases
On September 13, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit of John Noor
Reed, late of London, Merchant, versus Peter Poythress, the case was
dismissed.
In August, 1749, in the Surry County court, it was ordered that William
Donald pay unto John Hamilton, a witness for him, against Peter Poythress,
ninety-two pounds of Nett tobacco for two days attendance at this court and
for coming 14 miles and returning according to law. It was ordered that
William Donald pay unto Francis Wilson, a witness for him, against Peter
Poythress, ninety-two pounds of Nett tobacco for two days attendance at this
court and for coming 14 miles and returning according to law. It was ordered
that Peter Poythress, carpenter, pay unto Daniel Gurr, a witness for him, at
the suit of William Donald two hundred and twenty pounds of Nett tobacco for
four days attendance at this court and for coming twice, 20 miles and
returning according to Law. On September 19, 1749, in the Surry County
court, a suit versus Peter Poythress, carpenter.
Family Estates
On July 12, 1715, it was ordered that Thomas Harrison's Bond for the care
and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert Drayton,
deceased, be delivered to the care of Francis and Peter Poythress, guardians
to the said orphans. Francis and Peter Poythress may have been guardians of
their own young relatives. Their grandmother, Elizabeth Bishop Peebles
married John Drayton after the death of her first husband, David Peebles,
their grandfather.
After Peter Poythress' Death
In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, for: February to June, 1763, Herbert Haynes
versus P. Poythress' executors; March, 1763, Francis Eppes, executor of
William Eppes, deceased, versus P. Poythress' executor; March to June, 1763,
John Edmundson, Ch Henry Parishes last and this year to J E, versus P.
Poythress; June, 1763, John Maidlin versus P. Poythress' executors; June to
October, 1763, Peter Woodlief and John Robertson, Jr., executors of Peter
Poythress, deceased; June, 1763, Messrs Champe and Hunter, assignees, &c.,
of Leroy Hammond versus P. Poythress, executors;
Herbert Haynes versus P. Poythress executors; and, Capias versus P.
Poythress executors.
12/12/2005 9:56:52
David Poythress, of Surry County, 3rd Generation
Michael Tutor
I have not determined yet whether Edmund, son of David Poythress, and the
Edward Poythress, of the Will listed at the bottom of the posting, were the
same individual. If anyone has the definitive answer, it would be nice to
know the answer.
The Third Generation: David Poythress, of Surry County
R. Bolling Batte on David Poythress
[24 David Poythress. In a 1735 deed, David Poythress conveyed 350 acres in
Pr. Geo. to Robert Poythress (his brother), stating that the land had been
devised to him by the will of his father, John Poythress. The name of the
wife of David Poythress is unknown. In 1739, his son Edmund Poythress came
into court and stated that his father had died without a will. William
Poythress, brother of David, was William's surety.
241 Edmund Poythress. His qualification as administrator of his father's
estate (above) is the only record we have of him.]
[11. David Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born in VA [(P_1)
BD], and died ABT 1739. He married ______ ______. Child of David Poythress
and ______ ______ is:
37 i. Edmund Poythress was born BEF 1728 in [(P_1) BDA], and died AFT 1739.]
Family
David Poythress was born about 1685, in Charles City County, the son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles. His son, Edmund Poythress, was born by
1718. David died before April 8, 1740.
Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of David's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., had appointed his half-brothers, Thomas
Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his
estate. He appointed David's mother, Christian, and David's oldest brother,
John Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He named his two brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to divide his estate. He gave
his son, David, 300 acres of land at Tunnatorah, two negroes, Jack and young
Mary, and an equal share of his moveable estate. The witnesses of the Will
were John Winningham, Peter Leeth, Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
Civic Activities
In Prince George County, the Will of John Spell, of Prince George County,
January 13, 1712.
To my grandson, Thomas Spell, a young cow, mare, and iron pestle.
All of the rest of my estate to be divided between my wife, Anne Spell, and
my son, George Spell, equally.
My executor to be my loving friend John Winningham. The witnesses were David
Poythress, Peter Leigh and William Stainback. Administration was granted to
John Woodley, the executor.
In 1713, bounty awards for Surry County, David Poythress received 200 pounds
tobacco for one wolf's head, as did Thomas Cock and Thomas Wynne.
In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
probated May 21, 1718.
A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
shilling each.
To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and then
to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
On March 20, 1729, in Surry County, a writ was issued against Thomas Bolling
who was summoned to answer Robert Bolling and Frances Bolling over the equal
division of 1,800 acres which they held in Southwarke parish. Division of
the land by William Moor, Edward Echols, Charles Leath, Jarvis Wynfield,
George Booth, John Thrower, Daniel Poythress, Thomas Wynne, Stephen Housman,
John Jackson, Sloman Wynne and Thomas Thrower. [Unknown whether Daniel
Poythress is a transcription error].
Property: Personal Property and Land
On August 9, 1720, in the Prince George County court, Cato, a negro boy
belonging to David Poythress, was adjudged twelve years old.
On September 5, 1723, David Poythress, of Surry County, 250 acres of new
land, on the north side of the Nottaway River, in Surry County, on the east
side of the Indian Swamp, a corner of the said Poythress' old land, thence
by his own old line.
On July 16, 1735, David Poythress, of Surry County, 600 acres, sold to
Robert Poythress, in Surry County, 350 acres having been devised to David
Poythress, December 11, 1712, by his father, John Poythress, deceased, by
his last Will and testament, the other 250 acres were surveyed and patented
by David Poythress on September 5, 1723. The land was on the north side of
the Nottaway River, in Surry County, adjoining John Roberts, the Pole branch
and the Indian Swamp. The witnesses, Thomas Edmunds and David Wallace.
Robert Poythress left this land to his son, Peter Poythress, in his 1743
will. The 350 acres were originally granted to John Poythress, David's and
Robert's father, on October 24, 1701.
David inherited 300 acres at Tunnatorah, in Surry County, from his father.
He bought another 250 acres that adjoined this property. He sold all 600
acres to his brother, Robert. Three slaves were mentioned in the possession
of David.
Adjoining Property
On September 5, 1723, John Robbords, the other track contained 235 acres and
was granted John Robbords by patent at Williamsburg, September 5, 1723. This
property on the south side of the Trading branch, in Surry County, adjoining
David Poythress, a corner of Robbards' other land, then by his own old line.
The witnesses were Sloman Wynne, William Pettway and Robert Hicks.
On September 10, 1740, John Robbards, of Albemarle parish, to Edward Pettway
and his wife, Elizabeth, for their lifetimes and then to go to their son
John Pettway, for love and affection, a tract containing 235 acres, in Surry
County, which was granted to John Robbards on September 5, 1723, and was
bounded by the south side of the Trading Branch, adjoining David Poythress
and the said Robbard's old line.
As Witness
On August 19, 1729, Henry Mitchell, of Southwarke parish, sold to John
Coats, 100 acres, on the Trading Branch in Surry County. The witnesses,
Robert Wynne, John Mitchell and David Poythress.
On March 22, 1733, a deed of lease on 267 acres, Robert Poythress, of Prince
George County, to John Parrum, of Surry County, on the south side of the
main Blackwater River, in Surry County, on the southwest side of the Indian
Swamp, by the side of the Beaver Pond Swamp. The witnesses, Sloman Wynne,
David Poythress and William Parrum. This land was bought by John Poythress
(1682-1724), son of Francis Poythress, on September 15, 1717.
After David Poythress' death
On April 8, 1740, in Prince George County, Edmund Poythress, son of David
Poythress, late of Bristol parish, in this county, came into court and made
oath that the said David Poythress departed this life without any Will as
far as he knows or believes and on his motion and giving Bond and Security
according to law, a certificate was granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the said deceased's estate in forms; Edmund Poythress,
administrator of David Poythress, deceased, with William Poythress,
Gentleman, his security entered into Bond in the sum of L800 payable to
Robert Bolling, Gentleman, and was condition for his just and faithful
administration on the said decedents estate (blotted) the same in court.
(likely the blot covered the instructions regarding the estate's inventory).
On October 9, 1753, in Prince George County, the inventory of the estate of
David Poythress, value £25/5/0, appraised by Thomas Twitty and Edward
Mitchell, Jr. Presented by Edmund Poythress, administrator.
Son, Edmund Poythress
The Virginia Gazette, May 16, 1745, By the Hon. William Gooch, Esq., his
Majesty's Lieutenant-Governor, and Commander in Chief, of the Colony and
Dominion of Virginia.
Whereas I have received credible information that one Edmund Poythress, of
the County of Prince George, is notoriously guilty of horse stealing; and
not-withstanding legal process has been issued against him, he so absconds
that he cannot be brought to justice. And whereas the said offense of horse
stealing is of late become very common, and a growing evil, which ought to
be remedied as much as possible:
These are therefore, in his Majesty's name, to require and command all
Sheriffs, Constables, and others his Majesty's liege people within this
colony; (and to desire all those in the neighboring governments) to aid and
assist in apprehending and taking the said Edmund Poythress, so that he be
brought to justice; for which this shall be their warrant. And I do hereby
offer a reward of four pounds, to be paid to any person or persons who shall
apprehend the said Poythress, so as to be brought to justice, and convicted
of said crime.
Given under my hand, at Williamsburg, this 15th day of May, 1745, in the
eighteenth year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King George the Second.
William Gooch.
The said Poythress is of a middle stature about 25 years old, of a red
complexion, his eyebrows and eye lashes red, and the hair of his head mixed
red and brown; and has a large mole near one corner of his mouth. He usually
wears and old light colored cloth coat, and a red waistcoat. He sometimes
calls himself John Mitchel. He was lately seen on the road to Carolina.
On June 13, 1752, Burnell Claiborne entered a caveat against Edmund
Poythress concerning a grant of 400 acres on the Nottoway River, in
Lunenburg County, on which the Virginia Council found that a patent should
be issued to Francis Poythress, son and heir of Francis Poythress.
On June 19, 1760, Matthew Ornsby, of Amelia County, to William Glascock, of
Dinwiddie County, 400 acres, in Amelia County, on both sides of the
Butterwood Creek and bounded by John Lewis, Haynes, North Branch, George
Lewis, Steger and Hood. The witnesses were Francis Poythress, John
Poythress, James Hinton, John Hightower, Jr., and Edmund Poythress.
Edmund Poythress?
On April 18, 1753, in Dinwiddie County, John Williams, 38 acres, on both
sides of the Reedy branch adjoining William Poythress, William Cryer, Samuel
Gordon and Edward Poythress. This certificate was afterwards altered to the
name of Zacharias Penn.
The Will of Edward Poythress, of Isle of Wight County, dated March 13, 1781,
proved May 3, 1781.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, and her heirs forever, one bed and
furniture standing behind the chamber door together with £600 in cash.
I give my daughter, Sarah Poythress, and her heirs forever, one half of my
lands, the bounds whereof are as follows beginning at a run which divides
the lands of Joseph Cornwell from those on which I now live, from thence to
a gum and from thence along a line of marked trees to the head of a slash
which divides the lands of Captain Joseph Hill from my own, and from thence
a straight line bounded by the path to Hill's line, together with one bed
and furniture now standing in the other room, one loom with all the weaving
implements, and a tea kettle.
I give my daughter, Mary Poythress, and her heirs forever, all the other
parts of my lands whereon I now live, with one bed and furniture standing in
the corner of the room opposite to the one which I have given to my
daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, six plates to be chosen by herself and two
dishes.
I give and devise to my daughter, Tabitha Poythress, and her heirs forever,
one horse and saddle, two of my cattle to be made choice of by herself
together with one bed and furniture which she is to choose out of those not
before disposed of, one linen wheel, six plates her second choice and two
dishes, one brass kettle, and her choice of my iron pots.
My will is that my pine chest after my money and such things as are now
therein are taken out, may be given to my daughter, Mary, and her heirs.
My will is that all of the rest of my household furniture and personal
estate not disposed of before, may be equally divided between the whole of
my children and that the whole of my stock of every kind except what is
before devised may be sold and the money arising there from be equally
divided among all of my before mentioned children after raising the sum of
£600 for my daughter, Elizabeth, as above directed. And my further desire is
that my estate may not be appraised.
I appoint my daughters, Mary Poythress and Sarah Poythress, executrixes of
with Richard Hardy and James Davis, executors of this my last Will and
testament revoking and disannulling all others by me heretofore made. In
witness whereof I have set my hand and affixed my seal this March, 13, 1781.
The witnesses were Samuel Hardy, Benjamin Atkins and William Hardy. At a
court held for Isle of Wight County May 3, 1791. This Will was presented in
court by Mary Poythress, Sarah Poythress, Richard Hardy and James Davis, the
executor therein named who made Oath thereto according to law and the same
being proved by the Oaths of Samuel Hardy and Benjamin Atkins, the witnesses
thereto and ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of the said executors
who together with Richard Hardy, James Davis, Joseph Cornwell, James Peden
and James Wills, their securities entered into and acknowledged their bond
in the penalty of £100,000 with condition as the law directs. Certificates
granted them for obtaining a probate thereof in due form.
On March 30, 1781, in Isle of Wight County Records, 30 Mar 1781. Legacy of
the Will of Edward Poythress to daughter, Elizabeth; daughter, Sarah;
daughter, Mary; and, daughter, Tabitha. Richard Hardy, guardian of
daughters, Mary and Sarah. Executors Richard Hardy and James Davis. Recorded
May 3, 1781. Security Joseph Cornwell, James Pedon and James Wills.
12/12/2005 10:18:30
Re: James Porteus, Orange County, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Crystal, I'm curious what date preceded the "August term following" --
What year was this?
And curious about your reference to "translated" -- Any indication of
the language being translated? If it was French, then I'd be inclined to
say he's not ours. If Scot or Irish, then I'd think again.
At any rate, thanks for spotting these references.
Barbara (BPN)
12/16/2005 1:23:20
James Porteus, Orange County, VA
Crystal
I don't know if he is ours or not. I've never done much on the Porteus of "Newbottle" but considering this was pulled from Orange County, VA, I did find it very interesting. James Porteus also owned a tavern for which he was accounted for in the Road Orders and he also translated for the Germanna Settlement established by Spotswood.
"The first jury ever impanelled in the County was at the August term following, to try an action for assault and battery between James Porteus and Jonathan Fennell, alias Fenney, as follows: Benjamin Porter, foreman; Francis Browning, Francis Williams, James Stodgill, Leonard Phillips, William Richeson, George Head, John Conner, John Bomer, William Bohannon, William Crosthwait, Isaac Bletsoe. The verdict was for fifteen shillings damages. The first grand jury appeared in November, Robert Cave, foreman; Abraham Bletsoe, Francis Browning, William Bryant, William Pannill, Edward Franklin, Philip Bush, Anthony Head. William Kelly, Henry Downs, John Bransford, David Phillips, John Howard, George Anderson, Mark Finks, William Carpenter and George Woods."
12/16/2005 1:53:06
James Porteus, Orange County, VA
Crystal
I don't know if he is ours or not. I've never done much on the Porteus of "Newbottle" but considering this was pulled from Orange County, VA, I did find it very interesting. James Porteus also owned a tavern for which he was accounted for in the Road Orders and he also translated for the Germanna Settlement established by Spotswood.
"The first jury ever impanelled in the County was at the August term following, to try an action for assault and battery between James Porteus and Jonathan Fennell, alias Fenney, as follows: Benjamin Porter, foreman; Francis Browning, Francis Williams, James Stodgill, Leonard Phillips, William Richeson, George Head, John Conner, John Bomer, William Bohannon, William Crosthwait, Isaac Bletsoe. The verdict was for fifteen shillings damages. The first grand jury appeared in November, Robert Cave, foreman; Abraham Bletsoe, Francis Browning, William Bryant, William Pannill, Edward Franklin, Philip Bush, Anthony Head. William Kelly, Henry Downs, John Bransford, David Phillips, John Howard, George Anderson, Mark Finks, William Carpenter and George Woods."
Any thoughts?
Crystal
12/16/2005 1:53:17
Francis' Death
John M. Poythress
I've sent this to the Northumberland wire along with the sequence of
what few records we have (on the disk):
Searching for any additional documentation on Capt. Francis Poythress,
an early Burgess of Northumberland, in particular any record related to
his death in about 1655.
Many thanks,
It's a shot in the dark since the Northumberland wire is not active in
the first place and the records prior to 1650 or so don't exist,
primarily because Northumberland County didn't exist. I ordered the
only two 1650's reels in Salt Lake City..they only contained what is on
the CD we use for a data base...and they were barely legible.
I think Mike had a pretty good fix on this when he observed that Francis
was pretty well set in Northumberland County without a lot of incentive
to go "home" (Charles City County at the time). On the other hand, he
had a lot of incentive to stay in Northumberland:
he was a Burgess and a tax collector and land grant official.
Economically he couldn't have done much better.
My guess is by then he was either estranged from wife Mary or it had
never been true love in the first place. I'd make book that he died in
Northumberland County after the last record we have which is the 10 Sep
1651 settlement of the estate of Mr. Sedgraves in which Francis was paid
in tobacco for "an item."
Maynard
12/16/2005 3:54:44
Colonel Wm. Poythress, of Bristol parish, Prince Geo. Co., Gentleman Justice, 3rd generation
Michael Tutor
12/16/2005 4:20:05
Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
Deloris,
I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose daughter,
Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)] and
John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief born
about 1614.
Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due in
right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles City
County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and Mary
Archard.
(Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief (1614-1676)
went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go against
Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took Nathaniel
Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during Bacon's
Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665. Was
in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever determined
who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that held a
highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
(Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record of
malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The lucrative
positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
positions in our government are not given up lightly these days either....I
can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying his
just deserts.....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of Colonel
> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George, named
> in Colonel Wynne's will.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:44 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress
> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
> Woodlief.
> He was born 1614.
> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>
> Family
> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
> 1622,
> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow
> of
> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
> 1655-aft.
> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
> Wynne
> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
> Jane
> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
> Jones
> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
> Wynne
> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
> and
> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
> is in
> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
> to
> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County,
> by
> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
> escort
> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
>
> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
> England,
> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
> James River, was named "Georges."
> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
> married
> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
> (1646-bef.
> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
> one
> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
> (1643-c.
> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
>
> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of
> the
> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
> George
> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
> son,
> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
>
> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
> Westover
> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
> James,
> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son
> of
> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
> Merchants
> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>
> Professional Life
> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
> County,
> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
> Charles
> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco
> per
> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
> (in a
> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
> brother or
> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
> (-bef.
> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
> Horsmenden
> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
> Cawfield.
> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
>
> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
> 1642-1687).
> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married
> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
> 1618-aft.
> 1675).
> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
> Edward
> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
> Captain
> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
>
> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
> John
> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
> (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan.
> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
> Wynne
> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
> settle
> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
> 23,
> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years,
> the
> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
> Burgesses
> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
> seats
> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
> lists,
> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
> persons
> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
> December
> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
> Hamelyn
> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin,
> who
> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
>
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
> Kent.
> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
> Captain
> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
> John
> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
>
> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
> (bef.
> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> was
> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
> Poythress(2)
> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
> (1637-1700)
> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
> Long
> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
> lease
> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
> Westover
> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
> north
> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
> 28,
> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
>
> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
> Clarke,
> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
> Thomas
> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
> Edward
> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
> Mr.
> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
> were
> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
> Southcott,
> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered
> that
> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
> command of
> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began.
> In
> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain
> by
> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
> men
> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
> of
> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
> arrested
> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
> the
> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
> location
> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
> safe
> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
> to
> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
> the
> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
> Point
> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
> fight
> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
> the
> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
>
> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
> arrived
> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
> hanged many of them.
> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
>
> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
> Captain
> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
>
> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
> examined
> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented
> to
> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
> Bisse,
> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
> persons
> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor
> and
> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
> may
> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances
> was
> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
> Allen
> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
> Among
> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
> Pace.
> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
>
> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son
> of
> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband
> of
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
> John
> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
> Wynne.
>
> Civic Activities
> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
> deceased,
> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
> "The
> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
> from
> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
>
> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
> John
> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers
> of
> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
> father of
> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
>
> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
>
> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>
> As Witness
> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane
> and
> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
> Hope,
> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
> Choice, in
> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
> 1,
> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
> etc."
> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
>
> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> married
> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
> Mrs.
> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain
> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
> that
> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
> Wyatt
> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
> one of
> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were
> to
> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of
> him
> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
> pay
> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
> hammocks
> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
> very
> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
> go
> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
> Wyatt's
> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
> saith
> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
> (1635-1678)
> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
> (-1719).
>
> Family Estates
> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
> the
> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
> Peebles'
> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
> Francis
> Poythress.
> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
>
> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
> 450
> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
> Thomas
> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
> Towle
> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
> Thomas
> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>
> Robert Wynne's Will
> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
> Gentleman.
> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently
> it
> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
>
> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
> Kent,
> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with
> all
> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
> were
> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
> part
> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
>
> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas,
> die
> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
> is my
> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
> please
> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
> shall
> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
>
> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit
> by
> my administratrix.
> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
> Mildred's
> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the
> age
> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
> heirs
> to descend as that doth.
> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges
> in
> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
> further I
> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
> over
> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
> formerly
> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
> and
> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
> come
> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
> brother,
> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed
> then
> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
> parish
> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
>
> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
> shall
> please God to call me to his mercy.
> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
> provision
> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one
> good
> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
> guns
> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
>
> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him
> and
> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to
> his
> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
>
> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
>
> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
> guns.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
> next
> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
> oats to
> buy one.
> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
> of
> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
>
> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
> give
> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
> Wynne,
> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
> twenty
> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
> every
> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
> and
> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
> Brome,
> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
> Will
> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
>
> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
> Minge,
> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
> 1716).
> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
> John
> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
>
> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
> and
> Margaret Cruse.
>
> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
> Wynne's
> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>
>
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12/16/2005 4:31:25
RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris Riley
Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of Colonel
Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George, named
in Colonel Wynne's will.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
Poythress
R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
[8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
Woodlief.
He was born 1614.
Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
Family
Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
1622,
in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow
of
Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
1655-aft.
1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
Wynne
(1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
Jane
Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
(3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
Jones
and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
Wynne
comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
and
Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
is in
the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
to
America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County,
by
1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
escort
back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
England,
which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
James River, was named "Georges."
Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
married
Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
(1646-bef.
1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
one
child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
(1643-c.
1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of
the
first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
George
Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
son,
Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
Westover
Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
James,
Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son
of
James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
Merchants
Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
Professional Life
On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
County,
present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
Charles
Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco
per
poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
(in a
list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
brother or
step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
(-bef.
1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
(1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
Horsmenden
and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
Cawfield.
Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
1642-1687).
In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
present
were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
married
Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
(1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
1618-aft.
1675).
In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
Edward
Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
Captain
Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
John
Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
(1610-1663)
married Hannah Jordan.
The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
Wynne
and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
settle
the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
23,
1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years,
the
last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
election during this long period, the membership of the House of
Burgesses
must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
seats
made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
lists,
1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
persons
who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
December
23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
Hamelyn
and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin,
who
married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
Kent.
In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
Captain
Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
present
were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
John
Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
(1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
(bef.
1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
was
the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
Poythress(2)
would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
(1637-1700)
was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
were
Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
Long
entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
lease
new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
Westover
for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
north
side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
28,
1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
Clarke,
James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
Thomas
Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
were
Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
Edward
Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
Mr.
Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
were
Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
Southcott,
Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered
that
the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
command of
five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began.
In
May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain
by
Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
men
to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
of
Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
arrested
but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
the
largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
location
of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
safe
from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
to
the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
the
James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
Point
where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
fight
Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
the
approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
arrived
support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
hanged many of them.
On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
Captain
Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
examined
various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented
to
the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
Bisse,
Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
persons
in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor
and
Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
may
have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances
was
also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
Allen
had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
Among
the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
Pace.
The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son
of
John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband
of
Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
John
Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
Wynne.
Civic Activities
On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
deceased,
and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
"The
maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
from
the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
John
Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers
of
the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
father of
John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
(1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
As Witness
On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane
and
Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
Hope,
in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
Choice, in
the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
1,
1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
etc."
The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
married
Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
Mrs.
Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Captain
John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
that
going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
Wyatt
and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
one of
the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were
to
be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of
him
and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
pay
for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
hammocks
aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
very
often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
go
aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
Wyatt's
directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
saith
not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
(1635-1678)
was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
(-1719).
Family Estates
On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
the
perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
Peebles'
daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
Francis
Poythress.
On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
450
acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
Thomas
Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
Towle
and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
Thomas
Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
Robert Wynne's Will
Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
Gentleman.
My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently
it
may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
those that God has blessed me withal in England.
I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
Kent,
near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with
all
barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
were
left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
part
or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas,
die
either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
is my
son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
please
God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
shall
come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit
by
my administratrix.
I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
Mildred's
parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the
age
of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
heirs
to descend as that doth.
I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges
in
Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
further I
will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
over
against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
formerly
tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
and
not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
come
to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
brother,
Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed
then
to my administratrix as aforesaid.
I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
parish
of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
shall
please God to call me to his mercy.
I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
provision
and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one
good
featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
guns
he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him
and
the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to
his
brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
guns.
I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
next
shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
oats to
buy one.
I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
of
about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
give
and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
Wynne,
whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
twenty
shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
every
part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
and
annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
Brome,
John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
Will
was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
Minge,
Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
1716).
Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
John
Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
(1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
and
Margaret Cruse.
Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
Wynne's
executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
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12/16/2005 11:05:52
RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Deloris & Michael,
I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and their
Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II married to
Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John Woodliffe III,
George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress, George m.
Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
Deloris,
I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose daughter,
Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)] and
John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief born
about 1614.
Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due in
right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles City
County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and Mary
Archard.
(Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief (1614-1676)
went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go against
Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took Nathaniel
Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during Bacon's
Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665. Was
in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever determined
who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that held a
highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
(Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record of
malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The lucrative
positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
positions in our government are not given up lightly these days either....I
can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying his
just deserts.....Mike
----- Original Message -----
> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of Colonel
> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George, named
> in Colonel Wynne's will.
> -----Original Message-----
>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress
> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
> Woodlief.
> He was born 1614.
> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>
> Family
> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
> 1622,
> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow
> of
> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
> 1655-aft.
> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
> Wynne
> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
> Jane
> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
> Jones
> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
> Wynne
> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
> and
> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
> is in
> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
> to
> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County,
> by
> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
> escort
> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
>
> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
> England,
> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
> James River, was named "Georges."
> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
> married
> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
> (1646-bef.
> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
> one
> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
> (1643-c.
> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
>
> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of
> the
> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
> George
> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
> son,
> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
>
> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
> Westover
> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
> James,
> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son
> of
> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
> Merchants
> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>
> Professional Life
> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
> County,
> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
> Charles
> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco
> per
> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
> (in a
> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
> brother or
> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
> (-bef.
> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
> Horsmenden
> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
> Cawfield.
> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
>
> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
> 1642-1687).
> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married
> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
> 1618-aft.
> 1675).
> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
> Edward
> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
> Captain
> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
>
> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
> John
> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
> (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan.
> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
> Wynne
> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
> settle
> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
> 23,
> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years,
> the
> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
> Burgesses
> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
> seats
> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
> lists,
> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
> persons
> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
> December
> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
> Hamelyn
> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin,
> who
> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
>
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
> Kent.
> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
> Captain
> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
> John
> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
>
> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
> (bef.
> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> was
> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
> Poythress(2)
> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
> (1637-1700)
> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
> Long
> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
> lease
> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
> Westover
> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
> north
> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
> 28,
> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
>
> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
> Clarke,
> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
> Thomas
> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
> Edward
> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
> Mr.
> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
> were
> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
> Southcott,
> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered
> that
> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
> command of
> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began.
> In
> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain
> by
> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
> men
> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
> of
> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
> arrested
> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
> the
> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
> location
> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
> safe
> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
> to
> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
> the
> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
> Point
> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
> fight
> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
> the
> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
>
> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
> arrived
> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
> hanged many of them.
> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
>
> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
> Captain
> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
>
> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
> examined
> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented
> to
> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
> Bisse,
> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
> persons
> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor
> and
> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
> may
> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances
> was
> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
> Allen
> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
> Among
> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
> Pace.
> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
>
> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son
> of
> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband
> of
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
> John
> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
> Wynne.
>
> Civic Activities
> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
> deceased,
> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
> "The
> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
> from
> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
>
> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
> John
> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers
> of
> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
> father of
> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
>
> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
>
> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>
> As Witness
> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane
> and
> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
> Hope,
> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
> Choice, in
> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
> 1,
> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
> etc."
> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
>
> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> married
> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
> Mrs.
> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain
> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
> that
> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
> Wyatt
> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
> one of
> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were
> to
> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of
> him
> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
> pay
> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
> hammocks
> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
> very
> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
> go
> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
> Wyatt's
> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
> saith
> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
> (1635-1678)
> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
> (-1719).
>
> Family Estates
> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
> the
> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
> Peebles'
> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
> Francis
> Poythress.
> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
>
> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
> 450
> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
> Thomas
> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
> Towle
> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
> Thomas
> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>
> Robert Wynne's Will
> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
> Gentleman.
> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently
> it
> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
>
> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
> Kent,
> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with
> all
> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
> were
> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
> part
> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
>
> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas,
> die
> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
> is my
> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
> please
> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
> shall
> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
>
> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit
> by
> my administratrix.
> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
> Mildred's
> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the
> age
> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
> heirs
> to descend as that doth.
> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges
> in
> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
> further I
> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
> over
> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
> formerly
> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
> and
> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
> come
> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
> brother,
> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed
> then
> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
> parish
> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
>
> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
> shall
> please God to call me to his mercy.
> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
> provision
> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one
> good
> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
> guns
> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
>
> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him
> and
> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to
> his
> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
>
> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
>
> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
> guns.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
> next
> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
> oats to
> buy one.
> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
> of
> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
>
> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
> give
> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
> Wynne,
> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
> twenty
> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
> every
> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
> and
> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
> Brome,
> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
> Will
> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
>
> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
> Minge,
> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
> 1716).
> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
> John
> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
>
> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
> and
> Margaret Cruse.
>
> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
> Wynne's
> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>
>
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RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
I descend from the Wynne and Woodliff families. My mother was a Woodliff.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I show
John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief seems to
have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675 Will.......Mike
----- Original Message -----
> Deloris & Michael,
> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and
> their
> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II married
> to
> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John Woodliffe
> III,
> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress, George
> m.
> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
> sheryl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Deloris,
> I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
> daughter,
> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)]
> and
> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
> born
> about 1614.
> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due in
> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles
> City
> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
> Mary
> Archard.
>
> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief (1614-1676)
> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
> against
> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
> Nathaniel
> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during Bacon's
> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665.
> Was
> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever determined
> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>
> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that held
> a
> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record of
> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The lucrative
> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
> either....I
> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying
> his
> just deserts.....Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of Colonel
>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George, named
>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress
>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>> Woodlief.
>> He was born 1614.
>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>
>> Family
>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
>> 1622,
>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow
>> of
>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>> 1655-aft.
>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
>> Wynne
>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>> Jane
>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>> Jones
>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
>> and
>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
>> is in
>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
>> to
>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County,
>> by
>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>> escort
>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
>>
>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>> England,
>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
>> James River, was named "Georges."
>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>> married
>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>> (1646-bef.
>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
>> one
>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>> (1643-c.
>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
>>
>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of
>> the
>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
>> George
>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
>> son,
>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
>>
>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>> Westover
>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>> James,
>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son
>> of
>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>> Merchants
>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>> County,
>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>> Charles
>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco
>> per
>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
>> (in a
>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>> brother or
>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
>> (-bef.
>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>> Horsmenden
>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>> Cawfield.
>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
>>
>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
>> 1642-1687).
>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married
>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>> 1618-aft.
>> 1675).
>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>> Edward
>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>> Captain
>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
>>
>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
>> John
>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>> (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan.
>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
>> Wynne
>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>> settle
>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>> 23,
>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years,
>> the
>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>> Burgesses
>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>> seats
>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>> lists,
>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>> persons
>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>> December
>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>> Hamelyn
>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin,
>> who
>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
>>
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>> Kent.
>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>> Captain
>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>> John
>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>
>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>> (bef.
>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> was
>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>> Poythress(2)
>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>> (1637-1700)
>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
>> Long
>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
>> lease
>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>> Westover
>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>> north
>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
>> 28,
>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
>>
>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>> Clarke,
>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
>> Edward
>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
>> Mr.
>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
>> were
>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>> Southcott,
>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered
>> that
>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>> command of
>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began.
>> In
>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain
>> by
>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
>> men
>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
>> of
>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>> arrested
>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
>> the
>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>> location
>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>> safe
>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
>> to
>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
>> the
>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>> Point
>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
>> fight
>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
>> the
>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
>>
>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>> arrived
>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
>> hanged many of them.
>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
>>
>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>> Captain
>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
>>
>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>> examined
>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented
>> to
>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>> Bisse,
>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>> persons
>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor
>> and
>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
>> may
>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances
>> was
>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
>> Allen
>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
>> Among
>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>> Pace.
>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
>>
>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son
>> of
>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband
>> of
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
>> John
>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>> Wynne.
>>
>> Civic Activities
>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>> deceased,
>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
>> "The
>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
>> from
>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
>>
>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>> John
>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers
>> of
>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>> father of
>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
>>
>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
>>
>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane
>> and
>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
>> Hope,
>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>> Choice, in
>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
>> 1,
>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
>> etc."
>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
>>
>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> married
>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>> Mrs.
>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain
>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>> that
>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
>> Wyatt
>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
>> one of
>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were
>> to
>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of
>> him
>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
>> pay
>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>> hammocks
>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>> very
>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
>> go
>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
>> Wyatt's
>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
>> saith
>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>> (1635-1678)
>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
>> (-1719).
>>
>> Family Estates
>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
>> the
>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>> Peebles'
>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>> Francis
>> Poythress.
>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
>>
>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
>> 450
>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
>> Thomas
>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
>> Towle
>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>
>> Robert Wynne's Will
>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
>> Gentleman.
>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently
>> it
>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
>>
>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
>> Kent,
>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with
>> all
>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
>> were
>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
>> part
>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
>>
>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas,
>> die
>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
>> is my
>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>> please
>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>> shall
>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
>>
>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit
>> by
>> my administratrix.
>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>> Mildred's
>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the
>> age
>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
>> heirs
>> to descend as that doth.
>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges
>> in
>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>> further I
>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
>> over
>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>> formerly
>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
>> and
>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
>> come
>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>> brother,
>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed
>> then
>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>> parish
>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
>>
>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
>> shall
>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>> provision
>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one
>> good
>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
>> guns
>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
>>
>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him
>> and
>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to
>> his
>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
>>
>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
>>
>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>> guns.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>> next
>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>> oats to
>> buy one.
>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
>> of
>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
>>
>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
>> give
>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>> Wynne,
>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>> twenty
>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
>> every
>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
>> and
>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
>> Brome,
>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
>> Will
>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
>>
>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>> Minge,
>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>> 1716).
>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
>> John
>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
>>
>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse.
>>
>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>> Wynne's
>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>
>>
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12/17/2005 4:28:36
Michael Tutor
It would seem that Thomas Poythress has a monopoly on the DNA testing on the
website. I would not be surprised if every participant in the DNA study was
descended from Thomas. According to R. Bolling Batte, the surname Poythress
seems to have become extinct in the John Poythress, Sr., of Deep Bottom,
line.
The Third Generation: Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on Thomas Poythress
[21 iv. Thomas Poythress was born ABT 1683 in VA [(P_1) DE], and died ABT
1750.]
Family
Thomas Poythress was born about 1683, in Charles City County, Virginia, the
son of Major Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He died before May 16,
1749, in Prince George County, Virginia.
Civic Activities
On January 12, 1720, in Prince George County, in the case of detinue of
William Cook and Rebecca, his wife, against James Jones, the jury at the
last court failed to return a verdict, and having been called, Thomas
Poythress, one of the jurors, not appearing, the cause was deferred until
the next court, and he was to be summoned to attend. On March 8, 1720, in
the case of detinue of William Cook and Rebecca, his wife, versus James
Jones, the jury appeared and declared they could not agree on a verdict, and
they were discharged, and another jury was to be impaneled to try the issue.
On March 11, 1720, in the action of detinue of William Cook and Rebecca, his
wife, versus James Jones for £40, a jury was impaneled: John Thweatt
(foreman), Henry Thweatt, Thomas Poythress, Richard Cureton, John Lessenby,
Chichester Sturdivant and James Moody and they were to deliver to the
sheriff when they agreed.
In July, 1738, in the Prince George County court, Elizabeth Tidmarsh,
deceased, one of the orphans of Richard Tidmarsh chose Thomas Poythress, as
her guardian, who with Richard Bland his security entered into bond in the
sum of £50 current money payable to Robert Bolling, Gentleman, with his
condition of faithful guardianship of the said orphan and acknowledged the
same in court. Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to Anne Poythress
(1712-1758), daughter of Peter Poythress and Anne Jones. Thomas Poythress
was a first cousin of Anne Poythress Bland.
In 1738, in Prince George County, a Grand Jury was empaneled, consisting of,
among others, Thomas Poythress.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, the Will of William Stainback,
deceased, was exhibited in court. Thomas Poythress, among others, was to
appraise the estate.
On August 15, 1739, in the Prince George County court, in the action of
trespass for assault and battery brought by Robert Hudson against James
Moody for £10 current money damages by means of the defendant's beating,
wounding and evilly treating the plaintiff at the parish of Bristol in this
county on January 9, 1738, and other enormities to the said plaintiff with
force and arms; then and there doing against the peace; as in the
declaration set forth. The defendant by his attorney appeared and by his
attorney pleaded not guilty and for trial put himself upon the county and
the plaintiff in like manner, whereupon a jury was empaneled and labored to
try the matter in issue, by name Richard Taylor, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Charles Poythress, John Sturdivant, Joseph
Simmons, A. Graham Toney, Joshua Wynne, William Parsons, Timothy Lamar, and
William Batte who, having heard the evidence and allegations of the
attorneys, received their charge, were sent out, and soon afterward returned
into court and brought in their verdict "We find for the plaintiff forty
shillings current money" which verdict makes motion of the plaintiff's
attorney recorded and it is considered by the court that the plaintiff
recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum of forty shillings being his
damages by the jurors aforesaid in names aforesaid assessed together with
costs and an attorney's fee Als: Exeo. William Parsons was married to Mary
Batty. William Batte (1701-1762) was married to Agnes Birchett and was a
cousin to Thomas Poythress. Joshua and Robert Poythress were uncles of
Thomas Poythress (1683-1749). Joshua Wynne was a second cousin of Thomas
Poythress (1683-1749).
On March 11, 1741, at a court held at Fitzgerald's, for Prince George
County, on Wednesday, March 11, 1740, William Stark, Sheriff of this County,
returned the above written report of the jury ordered to lay out, and
procession the land of William Batte and Samuel Jordan. A member of the
jury, among others, was Thomas Poythress. William Batte (1701-1762) was the
son of William Batte (1678-1754) and Mary Stratton, and was married to Agnes
Birchett. William Batte (1678-1754) was the brother of Mary Batte Poythress,
wife of Captain John Poythress, Sr., and was first cousin of Thomas
Poythress.
On March 5, 1742, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of Richard Bland
against John Duke, Gentleman, this day came as well the plaintiffs by
Clement Read his attorney as the defendant in his proper person and were
heard and it being the opinion of the court that the defendant doth owe to
the plaintiff the money in the petition mentioned therefore it was
considered that the plaintiff recover against the said defendant four
pounds, twelve shillings and three pence current money and his costs by him
in this behalf expended including seven shillings and six pence for an
attorney's fee. It was ordered that Richard Bland pay Richard Bland,
Gentleman, two hundred and five pounds of tobacco for one day's attendance
at this Court and for coming and returning 60 miles as a witness for the
said Richard Bland against John Duke, Gentleman. It was ordered that Richard
Bland pay Thomas Poythress two hundred and five pounds of tobacco for one
days attendance at this court and for coming and returning 60 miles as a
witness for the said Richard against John Duke, Gentleman.
Property
In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all my tract in the above parish,
known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John Winningham, said Thomas
Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of Francis and John Poythress,
with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and
Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
On March 23, 1716, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 180 acres of
new land, on the north side of the Nottaway River, in Surry County, on the
north side of the Woodyard Swamp, a little above the fork. This land seems
to have been bequeathed by John Poythress' daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
Cocke, to her daughter Elizabeth Cocke, in 1801. In her will, Elizabeth said
that she had received the property from her brother, John Poythress. See
September 28, 1732. John Poythress was Thomas' nephew. Thomas' "aunt" Jane
Poythress Rolfe and her husband, Thomas Rolfe, had owned property near the
Devil's Woodyard Swamp in Surry County.
On December 12, 1722, in Prince George County, Surveyor's Records, 248
acres, to a survey for Thomas Poythress on both sides of the upper Rocky Run
on Stony Creek. Robert Bolling was the surveyor. On February 22, 1725,
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 248 acres of new
land, on both sides of the upper Rocky Run of Stoney Creek, in Prince George
County.
On August 25, 1731, Thomas Eldings and Peter Leath, were granted 248 acres
of lapsed land, in Prince George County, on both sides of the Rocky Run of
Stoney Creek, granted to Thomas Poythress, February 22, 1724, upon condition
of seating. Thomas Poythress seems to have let this 248 acres of land go
after seven years of ownership.
On September 28, 1732, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 180 acres,
on the north side of the Nottaway River, in Surry County, beginning at a
line on the north side of the Woodyard Swamp a little below the fork,
granted on condition of seating and planting as in the said patent expressed
and since Thomas Poythress failed to make such seating and planting and
Peter Green, of Surry County, made humble suit and obtained a grant for the
same, he was granted the 180 acres. Thomas Poythress, of Prince George
County, was granted this property as new land on March 23, 1716. After
seventeen years, he lost this land or let it go and it was taken up by Peter
Green. This land was by the Woodyard Swamp. The land seems to have been
bequeathed by John Poythress' daughter, Elizabeth Poythress Cocke, to her
daughter Elizabeth Cocke, in 1801. In her will, Elizabeth said that she had
received the property from her brother, John Poythress. See March 23, 1716.
In a period of thirteen months, Thomas Poythress seems to have lost or let
go 428 acres of land, 248 acres in Prince George County and 180 acres in
Surry County. He was granted 400 acres the following year in Prince George
County on Tommaheton Swamp. Peter Green (c. 1690-1745) was the son of Lewis
Green (-aft. 1730), and was married to Mary -----. On January 28, 1734,
Peter Green, of Surry County, 180 acres of lapsed land, in Surry County, on
the north side of the Nottoway River and the north side of Woodyard Swamp, a
little below the Fork, first granted by patent dated March 23, 1716, to
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, who failed to make seating and
planting, and Peter Green made humble suit and obtained a grant for the
same.
In 1732, Brunswick County was cut off the southern portion of Prince George
in the area south of Nottaway River. The first pages of a number of the
county's early record books have been damaged by time. By 1732, the
population had so increased that the Council decided to allow Brunswick to
set up its own magisterial system and stand on its own. Pursuant to an Act
of the Assembly, a courthouse was built in Brunswick County and a magistrate
was named. It was also ordered that a Commission of the Peace be prepared
for the County, and that Henry Fox, Henry Embry, John Wall and William
Machlin, Gentlemen, be appointed Justices for the County. The St. Andrew's
parish Vestry book, kept in the County Clerk's Office, began with an entry
in July, 1732. A vestry was the elected administrative body of an Episcopal
church. The first recorded vestry consisted of Henry Embry and John Wall as
Churchwardens. They were all paid 1,000 pounds of tobacco for their
services.
On June 20, 1733, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres of
new land, in Prince George County, on the lower or north side of Tommaheton
Swamp, below the Indian Quarter.
In 1704, Thomas paid taxes on 616 acres. By 1722, he had added 528 acres,
180 acres being in Surry County. By 1732, he had let 428 of the 528 acres go
by not seating them. In 1733, he added another 400 acres. He may have owned
as much as 1,116 acres by 1733, in Prince George County.
Adjoining Property
On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, to John Poythress, Jr., of the
same parish and county, a parcel of land called by the name of Powell's,
containing 150 acres, bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on the south by
lands lately in the occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded easterly on the
Deep Bottom and westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress. The witnesses were
Edward Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich. On December 13, 1720,
Francis Poythress, in open court, acknowledged his deed for land, indented
and sealed, with livery of seizure, endorsed thereon to John Poythress on
whose motion the same was ordered to be recorded.
On July 15, 1741, George Wainwright, was granted 399 acres, in Prince George
County, on the lower side of Tommaheton Swamp adjoining his old land
purchased of John Yorke, and adjoining Thomas Poythress, to the Wolf Pit
Branch, and to Beaverpond Branch.
On September 20, 1745, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Jr., was
granted 844 acres, in Prince George County, on the north side of Tomahitton
Swamp, 250 acres part of the grant to John Mitchell by patent dated February
9, 1738, and 594 acres the residue never before granted, adjoining John
Mitchel, to the Mouth of the Spring Branch, adjoining Thomas Poythress. John
Poythress, Jr., son of John Poythress, and nephew of Thomas Poythress (c.
1683-1749), had property that bounded his uncle Thomas Poythress.
Pertinent property
On September 5, 1723, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted
200 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in Isle of
Wight County, on the east side of the Cane Branch. This was the same
property sold by Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-c. 1790s?) to John Dawson on July
6, 1773. John Dawson (c. 1731-) was the son of William Dawson (1704-1752)
and Mary Randolph Stith (1711-).
On October 13, 1727, Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County, was
granted 275 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in
the County of Brunswick, on the south side of the Reedy Branch on the Beaver
Pond Creek. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress (c.
1729-1800), of Martin's Brandon parish, to William Rives on May 13, 1773.
On September 28, 1732, Joshua Clarke, of Isle of Wight County, was granted
50 acres of new land in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
Maherrin River, on the north side of the Cane Branch, on a corner of John
Poythress' land, to a corner of Samuel Clark's land, to a corner of Joshua
Clark's land by his own old line.
On March 17, 1737, John Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 325 acres, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of the Maherrin River and on the north
side of Fountain's Creek, by the side of the Great Swamp, by the side of the
Cane Branch, adjoining William Duglass, Samuel Clark and John Poythress'
other land. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress (c.
1729-1790s?) to John Dawson on July 6, 1773.
On February 8, 1745, lease and release, Henry Dawson and Lucy, his wife, in
Amelia County, sell William Meredith of Straton Major parish, in King and
Queen County, 1,350 acres in Amelia County, on both sides of Stooks Creek?
adjoining Paulin Anderson, a branch of Sandy Creek, David Crawford, etc. The
witnesses were James Loving and Larance Smith.
On January 10, 1749, to David Dorch, 160 acres, Lunenburg County, on the
north side of Miles Creek, to Collier's corner.
As Witness
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of the
same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr., lived,
being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner
and Thomas Poythress.
On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas Goodwynn
(not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the lands
lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the back of
the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein named
Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named Thomas
Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on the
day and year within mentioned.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis Poythress,
the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
languishes.
On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to Thomas
Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
witnesses. Peter Wynne (-c. 1738) was the husband of Frances Anderson
(-1725) and grandson of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress.
Family Estates
At Merchant's Hope, in Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of
Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I live,
containing 100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called
Colebrooks, taking in the Ivey point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring
Bottom to William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son,
John Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side
of the main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and
William Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also
giving them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land,
if they shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the
world before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about the
place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him out
of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract or
parcel of land containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so
running a south course over the horn branch, and so binding upon John Young's,
Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my
two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, land containing 150 acres,
binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging
to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God to take
him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without
heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my
son, John Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and his heirs
lawfully begotten forever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses were Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope, for
Prince George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament
of John Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress
and John Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved
by the oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on
the motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and
their giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted
them for obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was
recorded, August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George
County, with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.
The land called Powell's, 150 acres, that was left to William Poythress was
bought by his father, John Poythress, on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son, John
Poythress, was possibly bought by John on October 23, 1703, and on September
5, 1723. Excerpts from the above Will: "I give and bequeath unto my son,
Francis Poythress, and his heirs, a tract or parcel of land lying at and
about the place called Brick Chimney's, binding upon my son, John Poythress,
and brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in
the whole tract or dividend of land." "I give and bequeath unto my two sons,
John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract or parcel of land
containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south
course over the Horn branch, and so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's,
and John Winingham's land." "I give and bequeath unto my son, William
Poythress, and his heirs, one tract or parcel of land containing 150 acres,
more or less, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land,
formerly belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's." Thomas Poythress
lived adjacent to the Deep Bottom and adjacent to his nephews, John, Francis
and William, the sons of his brother, John Poythress, Jr.
In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit by Fieri Facias brought
by Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress and Peter Wynne, executors of Peter Wynne,
deceased, against Robert Mumford the defendant by his attorney appeared and
on his motion was granted until the next court to answer. In May, 1738, the
order that Peter Wynne, Thomas Poythress and Lewis Green, executors of the
last Will and Testament of Peter Wynne, deceased, returned an inventory of
the said decedent's estate, was continued until the next court. In July,
1738, the order that Peter Wynne, Thomas Poythress and Lewis Green,
executors of the last Will and Testament of Peter Wynne, deceased, returned
an inventory of the said decedent's estate was continued until the next
court. In August, 1738, in the Prince George County court, in the suit of
Fieri Facias brought by Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress, and Peter Wynne,
executors of the last Will and Testament of Peter Wynne, deceased, against
Robert Mumford, the plaintiffs set forth that at a court held for this
County March 8, 1736, in an action of trespass upon the case by them brought
against John Freeman, the said Robert Mumford personally appeared in court
and because Special Bail for the said Freeman in which action the said
plaintiff afterward, to wit on September 13, 1737, obtained judgement for
£18 current money and costs of suits amounting to 234 pounds of tobacco and
an attorney's fee, as by the record of said court appears in which judgement
executions have since issued against the body of the said John Freeman who
absconded so that the said executions could not be served on him for
recovery of this debt and costs aforesaid therefore the said Robert Mumford
Bails on aforesaid was summoned to appear before this court to show cause if
any he has or knows why execution may not issue against him for the debts
and costs aforesaid according to the force, forms and efforts on the
judgement aforesaid to said Robert Mumford by his attorney appearing and
pleaded payment and the plaintiff by their attorney plead in the issue, a
jury was empaneled and sworn to try the same, by name, Joshua Poythress,
etc., who having heard the accounts of the attorneys and received their
charge, were sent out, and soon after returned and brought in their verdict
"We find for the plaintiffs £18, 15 shillings, current money and 187 pounds
of tobacco. Joshua Poythress, foreman," which verdict on the motion of the
plaintiffs attorney was recorded and it was considered by the court that the
plaintiff recovered against the defendant the aforesaid sum of £18, 15
shillings, and 187 pounds of tobacco, and costs, and an attorney's fee Als:
Exeo. Joshua Poythress was Thomas Poythress' uncle. Lewis Green (c. 1680-)
was the son of Lewis Green (-aft. 1730) and was the brother of Peter Green
(c. 1690-1744/5), and was married to Frances Gilliam. Peter Wynne, one of
the executors, was the son of Peter Wynne (c. 1690-c. 1738), the deceased,
and Frances Anderson (-1727). Peter Wynne's (c. 1690-c. 1738) son, Peter
Wynne, was a third cousin to Thomas Poythress. Peter Wynne (c. 1639-1738),
the deceased, was the son of Joshua Wynne (1661-1715). Robert Munford
(1711-1745) was married to Anne Bland (1710/1-1771), the daughter of Richard
Bland (1665-1720) and Elizabeth Randolph (1680-1719/20).
On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of accounts
rendered brought by Benjamin Goodrich versus Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress
and Peter Wynne, executors of Peter Wynne, deceased, because of the
defendants denying to account for and pay the rents of two plantations of
500 acres of land belonging to the plaintiff, lying in the parish of Martin's
Brandon, in this county, of which the said testator in his lifetime was
receiver from August 10, 1731 to February 21, 1736. The defendants appeared,
and by consent, plaintiff was to recover what appeared to be due. William
Stark and Francis Epes, Gentlemen, were to hear the accounts and report to
the next court. On November 14, 1738, in the Prince George County court,
Thomas Lister was appointed in place of Francis Epes, to examine, with
William Stark, the accounts in the case of Benjamin Goodrich versus Lewis
Green, Thomas Poythress, and Peter Wynne, executors of Peter Wynne,
deceased. On January 10, 1739, in the Prince George County court, in the
actions of accounts brought by Benjamin Goodrich against Lewis Green, Thomas
Poythress, and Peter Wynne executors of the last Will and Testament of Peter
Wynne, deceased, for £20 damage by means of the defendants denying to
accounts for and pay the rents of two plantations and 500 acres of land
belonging to the plaintiff and lying in the parish of Martin's Brandon in
this county, of which the said Testator in his lifetime was receiver from
August 10, 1731 to February 21, 1736, the gentlemen appointed to hear and
take the accounts made their reports, which on the motion of the plaintiffs
was recorded as follows pursuant to an Order of Prince George County court,
date of the 12th of December last we the subjurors have examined the
accounts of Benjamin Goodrich, plaintiff and Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress,
Peter Wynne, executors and defendants find that there was a balance due to
the plaintiff of 24 shillings, 9 pence, halfpenny. Witness our hand this
January 10, 1739, William Stark and Thomas Lister whereupon it was ordered
that the defendants pay to the plaintiff the aforesaid sum of 24 shillings,
9 pence, halfpenny, out of the said decedent's estate, with costs Als: Exco.
Benjamin Goodrich (c. 1715-) was the son of Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) and
Margaret Wynne (1694-1729), and was the grandson of Joshua Wynne and Mary
Jones. William Stark (1691-1755) was married to Mary Bolling (1708-aft.
1760), daughter of Robert Bolling and Anne Cocke. Francis Epes (-1739), son
of William Epes and Sarah Walpole, was married to Susannah Moore. Peter
Wynne, the son of the deceased Peter Wynne (1690-1738), was also a grandson
of Joshua Wynne (1661-1715).
In Prince George County, the Will of Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
Parish, Prince George County dated January 17, 1740, probated April 8, 1741.
The land I live on, bought from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke and Captain John
Hardyman, to my sons, Joshua and William, to be equally divided. All of my
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, likewise to be equally divided.
To granddaughter, Harwood, £50.
To my son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and my other sons are to keep him
during his lifetime.
All of the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my wife and five
children: Joshua, William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary
Poythress.
My brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and friends and relations,
Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress, and John Woodlief are to divide the estate.
My executors to be my brother, Robert, and my cousin, Thomas Poythress. The
witnesses were Ann Bland, Christian Poythress, and Richard Bland.
Elizabeth Duke, daughter of John Taylor (1662-1707), was married to Henry
Duke (-1718). John Hardyman (1686-1738) was married to Henrietta Maria
Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. She and Elizabeth were sisters. Joshua
Poythress' grandson, William, named one of his sons Thomas Epes Poythress
(1785-1847). Joshua's brothers, William and Robert Poythress, were
appraisers of his estate and Robert Poythress was also an executor. Joshua's
cousin, Thomas Poythress, was an executor as was Joshua's brother-in-law,
John Woodlief (1673-aft. 1741). Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to
Joshua's niece, Anne Poythress (1712-1758), daughter of Peter Poythress and
Anne Jones. Richard Bland was an appraiser and a witness and his wife, Ann,
was a witness. Christian Poythress was either Joshua's mother or his sister.
On April 8, 1740, in the Prince George County court, the last Will and
Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress and Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it
being proved by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and Ann Bland, two of
the witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, Certificate was granted them for obtaining a Probate of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors
of the last Will and Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with Richard
Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into Bond
in the sum of 5,000 pounds current money payable to Robert Bolling with
condition for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same
in court. It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
executors of the last Will and Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased,
present the said deed and its estate to the next court. Richard Bland
(1710-1776) was married to Anne Poythress (1712-1758). Anne Poythress was
cousin to Thomas Poythress and niece to Joshua and Robert Poythress. William
Poythress was brother to Robert and Joshua Poythress and cousin to Thomas
Poythress.
In July, 1741, in the Charles City County court, a suit, by Robert
Poythress, and Robert and Thomas Poythress, executors of the last Will and
Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, versus Benjamin Harrison,
Gentleman, was continued, and later dismissed.
In William Byrd's diary, on July 26, 1741, Byrd noted that the weather was
warm and cloudy and that the wind was from the north. Byrd did not go to
church but put his things in order and wrote several letters. After church,
John Stith and his wife came by and dined. After dinner, John Ravenscroft
came by, as did Mr. Miller and his wife and Mrs. Poythress. In Charles City,
July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas
Poythress, executors of Joshua Poythress versus Benjamin Harrison. Joshua
Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators gave bond at £5,000
current money when his Will was presented in court. Benjamin Harrison
(1693-1745) was married to Anne Carter (1700-1745), daughter of Robert
Carter and Judith Armistead. Benjamin Harrison and Anne Carter were parents
of a signer of the Declaration of Independence and were grandparents of the
ninth President of the United States. Benjamin Harrison and two of his young
daughters were killed when they were struck by lightning.
Court Cases
On September 13, 1738, in Prince George County, the action of debts brought
by Thomas Poythress against Robert Acock, the plaintiff failing to
prosecute, is dismissed.
On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, the action on the case brought by
Thomas Poythress against Thomas Gibson, the plaintiff failing to prosecute
is dismissed.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, the action on the case brought
by Thomas Poythress against Thomas Gibson the plaintiff failing to prosecute
is dismissed.
After Thomas Poythress' Death
On May 16, 1749, in Surry County, upon the attachment obtained by Peter
Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress, executors, &c., of Robert Poythress,
deceased, and Joshua Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased,
against the estate of Thomas Sessom who has privately removed himself or so
absconded that the ordinary process of law cannot be served on him for a
debt of £62/1/4 current money due to the plaintiff from the said defendants.
This day came the plaintiff by their attorney and the Sheriff having made
return that he had executed the said Writ in the hands of Richard Hill and
had summoned him to appear whereupon he the aforesaid Hill being solemnly
called but made default and it appearing to the court that there is due to
the plaintiff £10/11/8½ from the said defendant. Therefore it was that the
plaintiff recover the aforesaid sum of £10/11/8½ against the said Richard
Hill together with interest for the same after the rate of five Centum per
annum to be computed from May 4, 1749, to the time of payment and their
costs by them expended and the said defendant in mercy &c. Joshua Poythress,
son of Joshua Poythress, and cousin of Thomas Poythress, was the executor of
Thomas Poythress' (1683-1749) Will. Peter Poythress and his mother,
Elizabeth, were the executors of Robert Poythress' Will. Peter Poythress was
a son of Robert Poythress.
On May 15, 1750, in Surry County, attachment was obtained by Peter and
Elizabeth Poythress, executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, and Joshua
Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased, against the estate of
Thomas Sisson. Thomas Sisson may have been a relative of Elizabeth Sisson
(c. 1700-1773) who married Thomas Raines (1695-bef. 1757).
In May, 1751, in Surry County, Joshua Poythress, assignee of Robert and
Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge, Gentleman,
plaintiffs against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. The defendant being
arrested and now called and not appearing it was therefore considered that
the plaintiff recover against the said defendant and William Longbottom his
Security for his appearance the debt in the declaration mentioned amounting
to £__ and his costs by him in this behalf expended unless the defendant
shall appear at the next court and plead. Thomas Eldridge was married to
Judith Kennon (1692-1759), the daughter of Richard Kennon and Elizabeth
Worsham. In July, 1751, Joshua Poythress, assignee of Robert and Thomas
Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge, plaintiff, against Francis
Hutchings, defendant in debt. The case was discontinued and by consent of
the defendant it was ordered that he pay unto the plaintiff his costs,
issued August 27, 1752, tobacco costs 107 pounds.
12/17/2005 4:43:57
Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 3rd Generation
Michael Tutor
> It would seem that Thomas Poythress has a monopoly on the DNA testing on
> the website. I would not be surprised if every participant in the DNA
> study was descended from Thomas. According to R. Bolling Batte, the
> surname Poythress seems to have become extinct in the John Poythress, Sr.,
> of Deep Bottom, line.
>
> The Third Generation: Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County
> R. Bolling Batte on Thomas Poythress
> [21 iv. Thomas Poythress was born ABT 1683 in VA [(P_1) DE], and died ABT
> 1750.]
>
> Family
> Thomas Poythress was born about 1683, in Charles City County, Virginia,
> the son of Major Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He died before May
> 16, 1749, in Prince George County, Virginia.
>
> Civic Activities
> On January 12, 1720, in Prince George County, in the case of detinue of
> William Cook and Rebecca, his wife, against James Jones, the jury at the
> last court failed to return a verdict, and having been called, Thomas
> Poythress, one of the jurors, not appearing, the cause was deferred until
> the next court, and he was to be summoned to attend. On March 8, 1720, in
> the case of detinue of William Cook and Rebecca, his wife, versus James
> Jones, the jury appeared and declared they could not agree on a verdict,
> and they were discharged, and another jury was to be impaneled to try the
> issue. On March 11, 1720, in the action of detinue of William Cook and
> Rebecca, his wife, versus James Jones for £40, a jury was impaneled: John
> Thweatt (foreman), Henry Thweatt, Thomas Poythress, Richard Cureton, John
> Lessenby, Chichester Sturdivant and James Moody and they were to deliver
> to the sheriff when they agreed.
> In July, 1738, in the Prince George County court, Elizabeth Tidmarsh,
> deceased, one of the orphans of Richard Tidmarsh chose Thomas Poythress,
> as her guardian, who with Richard Bland his security entered into bond in
> the sum of £50 current money payable to Robert Bolling, Gentleman, with
> his condition of faithful guardianship of the said orphan and acknowledged
> the same in court. Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to Anne Poythress
> (1712-1758), daughter of Peter Poythress and Anne Jones. Thomas Poythress
> was a first cousin of Anne Poythress Bland.
> In 1738, in Prince George County, a Grand Jury was empaneled, consisting
> of, among others, Thomas Poythress.
> On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, the Will of William Stainback,
> deceased, was exhibited in court. Thomas Poythress, among others, was to
> appraise the estate.
> On August 15, 1739, in the Prince George County court, in the action of
> trespass for assault and battery brought by Robert Hudson against James
> Moody for £10 current money damages by means of the defendant's beating,
> wounding and evilly treating the plaintiff at the parish of Bristol in
> this county on January 9, 1738, and other enormities to the said plaintiff
> with force and arms; then and there doing against the peace; as in the
> declaration set forth. The defendant by his attorney appeared and by his
> attorney pleaded not guilty and for trial put himself upon the county and
> the plaintiff in like manner, whereupon a jury was empaneled and labored
> to try the matter in issue, by name Richard Taylor, Joshua Poythress,
> Robert Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Charles Poythress, John Sturdivant,
> Joseph Simmons, A. Graham Toney, Joshua Wynne, William Parsons, Timothy
> Lamar, and William Batte who, having heard the evidence and allegations of
> the attorneys, received their charge, were sent out, and soon afterward
> returned into court and brought in their verdict "We find for the
> plaintiff forty shillings current money" which verdict makes motion of the
> plaintiff's attorney recorded and it is considered by the court that the
> plaintiff recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum of forty
> shillings being his damages by the jurors aforesaid in names aforesaid
> assessed together with costs and an attorney's fee Als: Exeo. William
> Parsons was married to Mary Batty. William Batte (1701-1762) was married
> to Agnes Birchett and was a cousin to Thomas Poythress. Joshua and Robert
> Poythress were uncles of Thomas Poythress (1683-1749). Joshua Wynne was a
> second cousin of Thomas Poythress (1683-1749).
> On March 11, 1741, at a court held at Fitzgerald's, for Prince George
> County, on Wednesday, March 11, 1740, William Stark, Sheriff of this
> County, returned the above written report of the jury ordered to lay out,
> and procession the land of William Batte and Samuel Jordan. A member of
> the jury, among others, was Thomas Poythress. William Batte (1701-1762)
> was the son of William Batte (1678-1754) and Mary Stratton, and was
> married to Agnes Birchett. William Batte (1678-1754) was the brother of
> Mary Batte Poythress, wife of Captain John Poythress, Sr., and was first
> cousin of Thomas Poythress.
> On March 5, 1742, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of Richard Bland
> against John Duke, Gentleman, this day came as well the plaintiffs by
> Clement Read his attorney as the defendant in his proper person and were
> heard and it being the opinion of the court that the defendant doth owe to
> the plaintiff the money in the petition mentioned therefore it was
> considered that the plaintiff recover against the said defendant four
> pounds, twelve shillings and three pence current money and his costs by
> him in this behalf expended including seven shillings and six pence for an
> attorney's fee. It was ordered that Richard Bland pay Richard Bland,
> Gentleman, two hundred and five pounds of tobacco for one day's attendance
> at this Court and for coming and returning 60 miles as a witness for the
> said Richard Bland against John Duke, Gentleman. It was ordered that
> Richard Bland pay Thomas Poythress two hundred and five pounds of tobacco
> for one days attendance at this court and for coming and returning 60
> miles as a witness for the said Richard against John Duke, Gentleman.
>
> Property
> In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
> Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
> acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
> On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all my tract in the above
> parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John Winningham, said
> Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of Francis and John
> Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward Goodrich,
> Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> On March 23, 1716, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 180 acres of
> new land, on the north side of the Nottaway River, in Surry County, on the
> north side of the Woodyard Swamp, a little above the fork. This land seems
> to have been bequeathed by John Poythress' daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
> Cocke, to her daughter Elizabeth Cocke, in 1801. In her will, Elizabeth
> said that she had received the property from her brother, John Poythress.
> See September 28, 1732. John Poythress was Thomas' nephew. Thomas' "aunt"
> Jane Poythress Rolfe and her husband, Thomas Rolfe, had owned property
> near the Devil's Woodyard Swamp in Surry County.
> On December 12, 1722, in Prince George County, Surveyor's Records, 248
> acres, to a survey for Thomas Poythress on both sides of the upper Rocky
> Run on Stony Creek. Robert Bolling was the surveyor. On February 22, 1725,
> Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 248 acres of new
> land, on both sides of the upper Rocky Run of Stoney Creek, in Prince
> George County.
> On August 25, 1731, Thomas Eldings and Peter Leath, were granted 248 acres
> of lapsed land, in Prince George County, on both sides of the Rocky Run of
> Stoney Creek, granted to Thomas Poythress, February 22, 1724, upon
> condition of seating. Thomas Poythress seems to have let this 248 acres of
> land go after seven years of ownership.
> On September 28, 1732, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 180
> acres, on the north side of the Nottaway River, in Surry County, beginning
> at a line on the north side of the Woodyard Swamp a little below the fork,
> granted on condition of seating and planting as in the said patent
> expressed and since Thomas Poythress failed to make such seating and
> planting and Peter Green, of Surry County, made humble suit and obtained a
> grant for the same, he was granted the 180 acres. Thomas Poythress, of
> Prince George County, was granted this property as new land on March 23,
> 1716. After seventeen years, he lost this land or let it go and it was
> taken up by Peter Green. This land was by the Woodyard Swamp. The land
> seems to have been bequeathed by John Poythress' daughter, Elizabeth
> Poythress Cocke, to her daughter Elizabeth Cocke, in 1801. In her will,
> Elizabeth said that she had received the property from her brother, John
> Poythress. See March 23, 1716. In a period of thirteen months, Thomas
> Poythress seems to have lost or let go 428 acres of land, 248 acres in
> Prince George County and 180 acres in Surry County. He was granted 400
> acres the following year in Prince George County on Tommaheton Swamp.
> Peter Green (c. 1690-1745) was the son of Lewis Green (-aft. 1730), and
> was married to Mary -----. On January 28, 1734, Peter Green, of Surry
> County, 180 acres of lapsed land, in Surry County, on the north side of
> the Nottoway River and the north side of Woodyard Swamp, a little below
> the Fork, first granted by patent dated March 23, 1716, to Thomas
> Poythress, of Prince George County, who failed to make seating and
> planting, and Peter Green made humble suit and obtained a grant for the
> same.
> In 1732, Brunswick County was cut off the southern portion of Prince
> George in the area south of Nottaway River. The first pages of a number of
> the county's early record books have been damaged by time. By 1732, the
> population had so increased that the Council decided to allow Brunswick to
> set up its own magisterial system and stand on its own. Pursuant to an Act
> of the Assembly, a courthouse was built in Brunswick County and a
> magistrate was named. It was also ordered that a Commission of the Peace
> be prepared for the County, and that Henry Fox, Henry Embry, John Wall and
> William Machlin, Gentlemen, be appointed Justices for the County. The St.
> Andrew's parish Vestry book, kept in the County Clerk's Office, began with
> an entry in July, 1732. A vestry was the elected administrative body of an
> Episcopal church. The first recorded vestry consisted of Henry Embry and
> John Wall as Churchwardens. They were all paid 1,000 pounds of tobacco for
> their services.
> On June 20, 1733, Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres of
> new land, in Prince George County, on the lower or north side of
> Tommaheton Swamp, below the Indian Quarter.
> In 1704, Thomas paid taxes on 616 acres. By 1722, he had added 528 acres,
> 180 acres being in Surry County. By 1732, he had let 428 of the 528 acres
> go by not seating them. In 1733, he added another 400 acres. He may have
> owned as much as 1,116 acres by 1733, in Prince George County.
>
> Adjoining Property
> On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the
> Elder, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, to John Poythress,
> Jr., of the same parish and county, a parcel of land called by the name of
> Powell's, containing 150 acres, bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on
> the south by lands lately in the occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded
> easterly on the Deep Bottom and westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress.
> The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich.
> On December 13, 1720, Francis Poythress, in open court, acknowledged his
> deed for land, indented and sealed, with livery of seizure, endorsed
> thereon to John Poythress on whose motion the same was ordered to be
> recorded.
> On July 15, 1741, George Wainwright, was granted 399 acres, in Prince
> George County, on the lower side of Tommaheton Swamp adjoining his old
> land purchased of John Yorke, and adjoining Thomas Poythress, to the Wolf
> Pit Branch, and to Beaverpond Branch.
> On September 20, 1745, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Jr., was
> granted 844 acres, in Prince George County, on the north side of
> Tomahitton Swamp, 250 acres part of the grant to John Mitchell by patent
> dated February 9, 1738, and 594 acres the residue never before granted,
> adjoining John Mitchel, to the Mouth of the Spring Branch, adjoining
> Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., son of John Poythress, and nephew
> of Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749), had property that bounded his uncle
> Thomas Poythress.
>
> Pertinent property
> On September 5, 1723, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted
> 200 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in Isle of
> Wight County, on the east side of the Cane Branch. This was the same
> property sold by Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-c. 1790s?) to John Dawson on
> July 6, 1773. John Dawson (c. 1731-) was the son of William Dawson
> (1704-1752) and Mary Randolph Stith (1711-).
> On October 13, 1727, Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County, was
> granted 275 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in
> the County of Brunswick, on the south side of the Reedy Branch on the
> Beaver Pond Creek. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress (c.
> 1729-1800), of Martin's Brandon parish, to William Rives on May 13, 1773.
> On September 28, 1732, Joshua Clarke, of Isle of Wight County, was granted
> 50 acres of new land in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
> Maherrin River, on the north side of the Cane Branch, on a corner of John
> Poythress' land, to a corner of Samuel Clark's land, to a corner of Joshua
> Clark's land by his own old line.
> On March 17, 1737, John Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 325 acres, in
> Brunswick County, on the south side of the Maherrin River and on the north
> side of Fountain's Creek, by the side of the Great Swamp, by the side of
> the Cane Branch, adjoining William Duglass, Samuel Clark and John
> Poythress' other land. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress
> (c. 1729-1790s?) to John Dawson on July 6, 1773.
> On February 8, 1745, lease and release, Henry Dawson and Lucy, his wife,
> in Amelia County, sell William Meredith of Straton Major parish, in King
> and Queen County, 1,350 acres in Amelia County, on both sides of Stooks
> Creek? adjoining Paulin Anderson, a branch of Sandy Creek, David Crawford,
> etc. The witnesses were James Loving and Larance Smith.
> On January 10, 1749, to David Dorch, 160 acres, Lunenburg County, on the
> north side of Miles Creek, to Collier's corner.
>
> As Witness
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace,
> of the same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
> Joseph Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived, being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
> Poythress according to several lines of marked trees lately made between
> the said Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne,
> John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the back
> of the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
> and seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein
> named Thomas Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of
> the same on the day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400 acres,
> in Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak
> in the head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
> the run between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
> plantation whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run
> to the path at the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head
> of the said Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree
> and running east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and
> sixty chains to the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to
> Mr. Charles Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one
> hundred and sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis
> Poythress. The witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses. Peter Wynne (-c. 1738) was the husband of Frances Anderson
> (-1725) and grandson of Robert Wynne and Mary Frances Poythress.
>
> Family Estates
> At Merchant's Hope, in Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress,
> of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
> I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I live,
> containing 100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called
> Colebrooks, taking in the Ivey point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring
> Bottom to William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son,
> John Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side
> of the main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and
> William Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also
> giving them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the
> land, if they shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out
> of the world before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
> his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
> Francis Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is
> mentioned, and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about
> the place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
> brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
> whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him
> out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without
> heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my
> son, William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned,
> and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
> I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract
> or parcel of land containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land,
> so running a south course over the horn branch, and so binding upon John
> Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to be equally divided
> betwixt my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to their heirs
> forever.
> I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, land containing 150
> acres, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly
> belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please
> God to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years,
> or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure
> is that my son, John Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land,
> and his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
> I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
> my last Will and testament. The witnesses were Francis Epes, Jr., William
> Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope, for
> Prince George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and
> testament of John Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
> Poythress and John Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it
> was proved by the oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John
> Winningham. And on the motion of the said Robert Poythress and John
> Woodlief, executors, and their giving Bond and Security according to law,
> Certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of the said Will in
> due form. The Will was recorded, August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's
> Hope, for Prince George County, with an account of personal property items
> valued at £209/14/5. John Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback
> were the appraisers.
>
> The land called Powell's, 150 acres, that was left to William Poythress
> was bought by his father, John Poythress, on November 8, 1720, from
> Francis Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son,
> John Poythress, was possibly bought by John on October 23, 1703, and on
> September 5, 1723. Excerpts from the above Will: "I give and bequeath unto
> my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, a tract or parcel of land lying
> at and about the place called Brick Chimney's, binding upon my son, John
> Poythress, and brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom,
> taking in the whole tract or dividend of land." "I give and bequeath unto
> my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract or
> parcel of land containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so
> running a south course over the Horn branch, and so binding upon John
> Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John Winingham's land." "I give and bequeath
> unto my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, one tract or parcel of land
> containing 150 acres, more or less, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and
> Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph Patterson, called
> Powell's." Thomas Poythress lived adjacent to the Deep Bottom and adjacent
> to his nephews, John, Francis and William, the sons of his brother, John
> Poythress, Jr.
>
> In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit by Fieri Facias
> brought by Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress and Peter Wynne, executors of
> Peter Wynne, deceased, against Robert Mumford the defendant by his
> attorney appeared and on his motion was granted until the next court to
> answer. In May, 1738, the order that Peter Wynne, Thomas Poythress and
> Lewis Green, executors of the last Will and Testament of Peter Wynne,
> deceased, returned an inventory of the said decedent's estate, was
> continued until the next court. In July, 1738, the order that Peter Wynne,
> Thomas Poythress and Lewis Green, executors of the last Will and Testament
> of Peter Wynne, deceased, returned an inventory of the said decedent's
> estate was continued until the next court. In August, 1738, in the Prince
> George County court, in the suit of Fieri Facias brought by Lewis Green,
> Thomas Poythress, and Peter Wynne, executors of the last Will and
> Testament of Peter Wynne, deceased, against Robert Mumford, the plaintiffs
> set forth that at a court held for this County March 8, 1736, in an action
> of trespass upon the case by them brought against John Freeman, the said
> Robert Mumford personally appeared in court and because Special Bail for
> the said Freeman in which action the said plaintiff afterward, to wit on
> September 13, 1737, obtained judgement for £18 current money and costs of
> suits amounting to 234 pounds of tobacco and an attorney's fee, as by the
> record of said court appears in which judgement executions have since
> issued against the body of the said John Freeman who absconded so that the
> said executions could not be served on him for recovery of this debt and
> costs aforesaid therefore the said Robert Mumford Bails on aforesaid was
> summoned to appear before this court to show cause if any he has or knows
> why execution may not issue against him for the debts and costs aforesaid
> according to the force, forms and efforts on the judgement aforesaid to
> said Robert Mumford by his attorney appearing and pleaded payment and the
> plaintiff by their attorney plead in the issue, a jury was empaneled and
> sworn to try the same, by name, Joshua Poythress, etc., who having heard
> the accounts of the attorneys and received their charge, were sent out,
> and soon after returned and brought in their verdict "We find for the
> plaintiffs £18, 15 shillings, current money and 187 pounds of tobacco.
> Joshua Poythress, foreman," which verdict on the motion of the plaintiffs
> attorney was recorded and it was considered by the court that the
> plaintiff recovered against the defendant the aforesaid sum of £18, 15
> shillings, and 187 pounds of tobacco, and costs, and an attorney's fee
> Als: Exeo. Joshua Poythress was Thomas Poythress' uncle. Lewis Green (c.
> 1680-) was the son of Lewis Green (-aft. 1730) and was the brother of
> Peter Green (c. 1690-1744/5), and was married to Frances Gilliam. Peter
> Wynne, one of the executors, was the son of Peter Wynne (c. 1690-c. 1738),
> the deceased, and Frances Anderson (-1727). Peter Wynne's (c. 1690-c.
> 1738) son, Peter Wynne, was a third cousin to Thomas Poythress. Peter
> Wynne (c. 1639-1738), the deceased, was the son of Joshua Wynne
> (1661-1715). Robert Munford (1711-1745) was married to Anne Bland
> (1710/1-1771), the daughter of Richard Bland (1665-1720) and Elizabeth
> Randolph (1680-1719/20).
>
> On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of accounts
> rendered brought by Benjamin Goodrich versus Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress
> and Peter Wynne, executors of Peter Wynne, deceased, because of the
> defendants denying to account for and pay the rents of two plantations of
> 500 acres of land belonging to the plaintiff, lying in the parish of
> Martin's Brandon, in this county, of which the said testator in his
> lifetime was receiver from August 10, 1731 to February 21, 1736. The
> defendants appeared, and by consent, plaintiff was to recover what
> appeared to be due. William Stark and Francis Epes, Gentlemen, were to
> hear the accounts and report to the next court. On November 14, 1738, in
> the Prince George County court, Thomas Lister was appointed in place of
> Francis Epes, to examine, with William Stark, the accounts in the case of
> Benjamin Goodrich versus Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress, and Peter Wynne,
> executors of Peter Wynne, deceased. On January 10, 1739, in the Prince
> George County court, in the actions of accounts brought by Benjamin
> Goodrich against Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress, and Peter Wynne executors
> of the last Will and Testament of Peter Wynne, deceased, for £20 damage by
> means of the defendants denying to accounts for and pay the rents of two
> plantations and 500 acres of land belonging to the plaintiff and lying in
> the parish of Martin's Brandon in this county, of which the said Testator
> in his lifetime was receiver from August 10, 1731 to February 21, 1736,
> the gentlemen appointed to hear and take the accounts made their reports,
> which on the motion of the plaintiffs was recorded as follows pursuant to
> an Order of Prince George County court, date of the 12th of December last
> we the subjurors have examined the accounts of Benjamin Goodrich,
> plaintiff and Lewis Green, Thomas Poythress, Peter Wynne, executors and
> defendants find that there was a balance due to the plaintiff of 24
> shillings, 9 pence, halfpenny. Witness our hand this January 10, 1739,
> William Stark and Thomas Lister whereupon it was ordered that the
> defendants pay to the plaintiff the aforesaid sum of 24 shillings, 9
> pence, halfpenny, out of the said decedent's estate, with costs Als: Exco.
> Benjamin Goodrich (c. 1715-) was the son of Edward Goodrich (1693-1720)
> and Margaret Wynne (1694-1729), and was the grandson of Joshua Wynne and
> Mary Jones. William Stark (1691-1755) was married to Mary Bolling
> (1708-aft. 1760), daughter of Robert Bolling and Anne Cocke. Francis Epes
> (-1739), son of William Epes and Sarah Walpole, was married to Susannah
> Moore. Peter Wynne, the son of the deceased Peter Wynne (1690-1738), was
> also a grandson of Joshua Wynne (1661-1715).
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
> Parish, Prince George County dated January 17, 1740, probated April 8,
> 1741.
> The land I live on, bought from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke and Captain John
> Hardyman, to my sons, Joshua and William, to be equally divided. All of my
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, likewise to be equally
> divided.
> To granddaughter, Harwood, £50.
> To my son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and my other sons are to keep him
> during his lifetime.
> All of the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> five children: Joshua, William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and
> Mary Poythress.
> My brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and friends and relations,
> Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress, and John Woodlief are to divide the
> estate. My executors to be my brother, Robert, and my cousin, Thomas
> Poythress. The witnesses were Ann Bland, Christian Poythress, and Richard
> Bland.
> Elizabeth Duke, daughter of John Taylor (1662-1707), was married to Henry
> Duke (-1718). John Hardyman (1686-1738) was married to Henrietta Maria
> Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. She and Elizabeth were sisters. Joshua
> Poythress' grandson, William, named one of his sons Thomas Epes Poythress
> (1785-1847). Joshua's brothers, William and Robert Poythress, were
> appraisers of his estate and Robert Poythress was also an executor.
> Joshua's cousin, Thomas Poythress, was an executor as was Joshua's
> brother-in-law, John Woodlief (1673-aft. 1741). Richard Bland (1710-1776)
> was married to Joshua's niece, Anne Poythress (1712-1758), daughter of
> Peter Poythress and Anne Jones. Richard Bland was an appraiser and a
> witness and his wife, Ann, was a witness. Christian Poythress was either
> Joshua's mother or his sister.
>
> On April 8, 1740, in the Prince George County court, the last Will and
> Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by
> Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath
> thereto and it being proved by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and
> Ann Bland, two of the witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw
> Christian Poythress subscribe the said Will a witness was ordered to be
> recorded and on the motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving
> Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
> obtaining a Probate of the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and
> Thomas Poythress, executors of the last Will and Testament of Joshua
> Poythress, deceased, with Richard Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen,
> their Securities entered into Bond in the sum of 5,000 pounds current
> money payable to Robert Bolling with condition for their faithful
> executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in court. It was ordered
> that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors of the last Will and
> Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said deed and its
> estate to the next court. Richard Bland (1710-1776) was married to Anne
> Poythress (1712-1758). Anne Poythress was cousin to Thomas Poythress and
> niece to Joshua and Robert Poythress. William Poythress was brother to
> Robert and Joshua Poythress and cousin to Thomas Poythress.
>
> In July, 1741, in the Charles City County court, a suit, by Robert
> Poythress, and Robert and Thomas Poythress, executors of the last Will and
> Testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, versus Benjamin Harrison,
> Gentleman, was continued, and later dismissed.
>
> In William Byrd's diary, on July 26, 1741, Byrd noted that the weather was
> warm and cloudy and that the wind was from the north. Byrd did not go to
> church but put his things in order and wrote several letters. After
> church, John Stith and his wife came by and dined. After dinner, John
> Ravenscroft came by, as did Mr. Miller and his wife and Mrs. Poythress. In
> Charles City, July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert
> and Thomas Poythress, executors of Joshua Poythress versus Benjamin
> Harrison. Joshua Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators
> gave bond at £5,000 current money when his Will was presented in court.
> Benjamin Harrison (1693-1745) was married to Anne Carter (1700-1745),
> daughter of Robert Carter and Judith Armistead. Benjamin Harrison and Anne
> Carter were parents of a signer of the Declaration of Independence and
> were grandparents of the ninth President of the United States. Benjamin
> Harrison and two of his young daughters were killed when they were struck
> by lightning.
>
> Court Cases
> On September 13, 1738, in Prince George County, the action of debts
> brought by Thomas Poythress against Robert Acock, the plaintiff failing to
> prosecute, is dismissed.
> On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, the action on the case brought
> by Thomas Poythress against Thomas Gibson, the plaintiff failing to
> prosecute is dismissed.
> On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, the action on the case
> brought by Thomas Poythress against Thomas Gibson the plaintiff failing to
> prosecute is dismissed.
>
> After Thomas Poythress' Death
> On May 16, 1749, in Surry County, upon the attachment obtained by Peter
> Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress, executors, &c., of Robert Poythress,
> deceased, and Joshua Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased,
> against the estate of Thomas Sessom who has privately removed himself or
> so absconded that the ordinary process of law cannot be served on him for
> a debt of £62/1/4 current money due to the plaintiff from the said
> defendants. This day came the plaintiff by their attorney and the Sheriff
> having made return that he had executed the said Writ in the hands of
> Richard Hill and had summoned him to appear whereupon he the aforesaid
> Hill being solemnly called but made default and it appearing to the court
> that there is due to the plaintiff £10/11/8½ from the said defendant.
> Therefore it was that the plaintiff recover the aforesaid sum of £10/11/8½
> against the said Richard Hill together with interest for the same after
> the rate of five Centum per annum to be computed from May 4, 1749, to the
> time of payment and their costs by them expended and the said defendant in
> mercy &c. Joshua Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress, and cousin of Thomas
> Poythress, was the executor of Thomas Poythress' (1683-1749) Will. Peter
> Poythress and his mother, Elizabeth, were the executors of Robert
> Poythress' Will. Peter Poythress was a son of Robert Poythress.
>
> On May 15, 1750, in Surry County, attachment was obtained by Peter and
> Elizabeth Poythress, executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, and Joshua
> Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased, against the estate of
> Thomas Sisson. Thomas Sisson may have been a relative of Elizabeth Sisson
> (c. 1700-1773) who married Thomas Raines (1695-bef. 1757).
>
> In May, 1751, in Surry County, Joshua Poythress, assignee of Robert and
> Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge, Gentleman,
> plaintiffs against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. The defendant
> being arrested and now called and not appearing it was therefore
> considered that the plaintiff recover against the said defendant and
> William Longbottom his Security for his appearance the debt in the
> declaration mentioned amounting to £__ and his costs by him in this behalf
> expended unless the defendant shall appear at the next court and plead.
> Thomas Eldridge was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), the daughter of
> Richard Kennon and Elizabeth Worsham. In July, 1751, Joshua Poythress,
> assignee of Robert and Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas
> Eldridge, plaintiff, against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. The
> case was discontinued and by consent of the defendant it was ordered that
> he pay unto the plaintiff his costs, issued August 27, 1752, tobacco costs
> 107 pounds.
12/17/2005 4:50:52
RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris Riley
Michael, it makes more sense that John Woodlief, born about 1643,
married Mary Wynne and this is probably about the time that Mary Wynne
was born--sometime between 1643-45. Her brother, Thomas was born in
1657 and Joshua in 1662(both dates verified by individual depositions).
Colonel Robert Wynne's son, Robert was the "oldest son" referred to in
Colonel Robert Wynne's will, so he, no doubt, was born before Thomas.
Probably between 1643 and 1657. This is the time frame that I still, in
my heart, believe that Colonel Robert Wynne had a wife prior to Mary
Poythress. The evidence does point to Thomas and Joshua as being the
sons of Mary Poythress Wynne. Colonel Robert Wynne would have been 23
years old in 1645, the approximate time of Mary Wynne's birth. Note the
lapse of time between her birth and that of Thomas, and wouldn't one
surmise that Francis Poythress was still living 1643-45? This all leads
me to believe that Colonel Robert's first wife died after giving birth
to Mary and Robert and after Francis Poythress' death (when?), Colonel
Wynne married his widow, Francis and together they had Thomas and
Joshua. Remember, Mary Wynne Woodlief was never referred to "as my
sister" by the Poythress (whichever one referred to Joshua and Thomas as
"my brothers".) Does all of this add up, in your opinion? It makes it
so much easier to share information and thoughts--thank you, Deloris
Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:31 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris,
I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
daughter,
Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)]
and
John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
born
about 1614.
Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due
in
right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles
City
County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
Mary
Archard.
(Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
(1614-1676)
went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
against
Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
Nathaniel
Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
Bacon's
Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665.
Was
in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
determined
who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
held a
highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
(Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record
of
malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
lucrative
positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
either....I
can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying
his
just deserts.....Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
Colonel
> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
named
> in Colonel Wynne's will.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:44 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress
> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
> Woodlief.
> He was born 1614.
> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>
> Family
> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
> 1622,
> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
widow
> of
> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
> 1655-aft.
> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
> Wynne
> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
> Jane
> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
> Jones
> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
> Wynne
> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
> and
> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
> is in
> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
> to
> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
County,
> by
> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
> escort
> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
the
>
> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
> England,
> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
the
> James River, was named "Georges."
> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
> married
> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
> (1646-bef.
> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
of
> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
> one
> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
> (1643-c.
> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter
of
>
> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
of
> the
> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
> George
> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
> son,
> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
Prince
>
> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
> Westover
> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
> James,
> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
son
> of
> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
> Merchants
> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child,
a
> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>
> Professional Life
> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
> County,
> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
> Charles
> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
tobacco
> per
> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
> (in a
> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
> brother or
> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
> (-bef.
> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
Wynne
> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
> Horsmenden
> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
> Cawfield.
> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
Theodorick
> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
Captain
>
> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
> 1642-1687).
> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
Holmwood,
> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
> married
> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
> 1618-aft.
> 1675).
> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
> Edward
> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
> Captain
> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
now
>
> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
> John
> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
first
> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
> (1610-1663)
> married Hannah Jordan.
> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
> Wynne
> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
> settle
> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
> 23,
> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
years,
> the
> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
> Burgesses
> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
> seats
> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
> lists,
> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
> persons
> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
> December
> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
> Hamelyn
> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
Hamlin,
> who
> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
and
>
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
> Kent.
> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
> Captain
> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> present
> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
> John
> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
Poythress.
>
> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
> (bef.
> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> was
> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
> Poythress(2)
> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
> (1637-1700)
> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
Captain
> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
Abstract.
> Long
> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
> lease
> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
> Westover
> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
> north
> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
> 28,
> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
Sr.,
>
> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
> Clarke,
> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
> Thomas
> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
present
> were
> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
> Edward
> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
Wyatt,
> Mr.
> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
> were
> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
> Southcott,
> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
ordered
> that
> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
> command of
> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
began.
> In
> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
slain
> by
> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
> men
> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
> of
> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
the
> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
> arrested
> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
> the
> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
> location
> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
> safe
> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
> to
> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
> the
> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
> Point
> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
> fight
> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
> the
> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
open
>
> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
> arrived
> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
and
> hanged many of them.
> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
Edward
>
> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
> Captain
> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
and
>
> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
> examined
> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
presented
> to
> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
> Bisse,
> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
> persons
> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
Governor
> and
> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
> may
> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
Frances
> was
> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
> Allen
> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
> Among
> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
> Pace.
> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
Mary
>
> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
son
> of
> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
husband
> of
> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
> John
> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
married
> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
> Wynne.
>
> Civic Activities
> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
difference
> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
> deceased,
> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
court.
> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
> "The
> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
> from
> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
January,
>
> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
> John
> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
overseers
> of
> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
20
> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
> father of
> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
1658)
>
> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
and
>
> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>
> As Witness
> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
thirteen
> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
Crane
> and
> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
> Hope,
> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
> Choice, in
> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
> 1,
> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
> etc."
> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
Wyatt's
>
> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
> married
> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
> Mrs.
> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain
> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
> that
> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
> Wyatt
> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
> one of
> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
were
> to
> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks
of
> him
> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
> pay
> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
> hammocks
> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
> very
> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
> go
> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
> Wyatt's
> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
> saith
> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
> (1635-1678)
> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
Mallory
> (-1719).
>
> Family Estates
> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
> the
> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
> Peebles'
> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
> Francis
> Poythress.
> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Francis
>
> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
> 450
> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
> Thomas
> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
> Towle
> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
> Thomas
> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>
> Robert Wynne's Will
> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
> Gentleman.
> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
conveniently
> it
> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
for
>
> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
> Kent,
> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
with
> all
> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
> were
> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
> part
> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
profits
>
> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
administrator
> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
Thomas,
> die
> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
> is my
> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
> please
> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
> shall
> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
God
>
> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
fit
> by
> my administratrix.
> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
> Mildred's
> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
the
> age
> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
> heirs
> to descend as that doth.
> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
Georges
> in
> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
> further I
> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
> over
> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
> formerly
> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
> and
> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
> come
> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
> brother,
> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
failed
> then
> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
> parish
> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite
it
>
> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
> shall
> please God to call me to his mercy.
> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
formerly
> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
> provision
> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
one
> good
> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
> guns
> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
tobacco
>
> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
him
> and
> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
to
> his
> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
and
>
> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with
a
>
> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
> guns.
> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
> next
> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
> oats to
> buy one.
> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
> of
> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia
as
>
> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
> give
> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
> Wynne,
> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
> twenty
> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
> every
> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
> and
> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
> Brome,
> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
> Will
> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
therein
>
> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
> Minge,
> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
John
> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
> 1716).
> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
> John
> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
Wynne
>
> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
> and
> Margaret Cruse.
>
> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
> Wynne's
> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>
>
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12/17/2005 4:55:02
Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
Deloris, I had assumed from Robert's Will that Thomas was the oldest of all
the boys because Robert addressed Thomas as his eldest son and Joshua as his
youngest son instead of elder son and younger son. My assumption was based
upon the fact that using the -est on the two adjectives indicated three or
more. And, I had assumed that since he addressed all three sons in his Will
that he had taken into consideration their order of birth, Thomas, Robert
and Joshua.
As to John Woodlief, he seems to have been a contemporary of John Poythress
(c. 1639-1712). John Poythress' wife, Christian (c. 1656-), was born between
1654 and 1657, the date of her father's second marriage and her older
sister's birth, and her father's death. I only use them to show that the
ages do not always match up closely between the men of substance who obtain
their education and who make their way in the world before they married. Of
course, John Woodlief may have jumped on marriage immediately upon attaining
age 21. In Robert Wynne's Will, he mentions grandson, George Woodlief. He
does not mention his grandsons, John and Joshua, who were not born yet. If
you agree, that they had these three sons, it may indicate that George was a
baby and Mary Wynne Woodlief would have been quite old according to birthing
norms for the time if she was born much earlier than 1655 or thereabouts. In
1675, at the time of the Will, Mary would have been 30 years old if she was
born in 1645. If she was ten years younger, she would have been 21 and close
to having her other two sons.
As you said in your e-mail, it is sometimes helpful to look at different
vantage points. What do you think?........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Michael, it makes more sense that John Woodlief, born about 1643,
> married Mary Wynne and this is probably about the time that Mary Wynne
> was born--sometime between 1643-45. Her brother, Thomas was born in
> 1657 and Joshua in 1662(both dates verified by individual depositions).
> Colonel Robert Wynne's son, Robert was the "oldest son" referred to in
> Colonel Robert Wynne's will, so he, no doubt, was born before Thomas.
> Probably between 1643 and 1657. This is the time frame that I still, in
> my heart, believe that Colonel Robert Wynne had a wife prior to Mary
> Poythress. The evidence does point to Thomas and Joshua as being the
> sons of Mary Poythress Wynne. Colonel Robert Wynne would have been 23
> years old in 1645, the approximate time of Mary Wynne's birth. Note the
> lapse of time between her birth and that of Thomas, and wouldn't one
> surmise that Francis Poythress was still living 1643-45? This all leads
> me to believe that Colonel Robert's first wife died after giving birth
> to Mary and Robert and after Francis Poythress' death (when?), Colonel
> Wynne married his widow, Francis and together they had Thomas and
> Joshua. Remember, Mary Wynne Woodlief was never referred to "as my
> sister" by the Poythress (whichever one referred to Joshua and Thomas as
> "my brothers".) Does all of this add up, in your opinion? It makes it
> so much easier to share information and thoughts--thank you, Deloris
> Wynne-Riley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:31 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> Deloris,
>
> I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
> daughter,
> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)]
> and
> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
> born
> about 1614.
> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due
> in
> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles
> City
> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
> Mary
> Archard.
>
> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
> (1614-1676)
> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
> against
> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
> Nathaniel
> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
> Bacon's
> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665.
> Was
> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
> determined
> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>
> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
> held a
> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
>
> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record
> of
> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
> lucrative
> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
> either....I
> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying
> his
> just deserts.....Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
>
>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
> Colonel
>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
> named
>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:44 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>>
>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress
>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>> Woodlief.
>> He was born 1614.
>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>
>> Family
>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
>> 1622,
>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
> widow
>> of
>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>> 1655-aft.
>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
>> Wynne
>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>> Jane
>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>> Jones
>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
>> and
>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
>> is in
>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
>> to
>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
> County,
>> by
>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>> escort
>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
> the
>>
>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>> England,
>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
> the
>> James River, was named "Georges."
>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>> married
>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>> (1646-bef.
>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
> of
>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
>> one
>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>> (1643-c.
>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter
> of
>>
>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
> of
>> the
>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
>> George
>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
>> son,
>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
> Prince
>>
>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>> Westover
>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>> James,
>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
> son
>> of
>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>> Merchants
>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child,
> a
>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>> County,
>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>> Charles
>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
> tobacco
>> per
>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
>> (in a
>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>> brother or
>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
>> (-bef.
>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
> Wynne
>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>> Horsmenden
>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>> Cawfield.
>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
> Theodorick
>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
> Captain
>>
>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
>> 1642-1687).
>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
> Holmwood,
>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married
>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>> 1618-aft.
>> 1675).
>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>> Edward
>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>> Captain
>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
> now
>>
>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
>> John
>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
> first
>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>> (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan.
>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
>> Wynne
>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>> settle
>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>> 23,
>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
> years,
>> the
>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>> Burgesses
>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>> seats
>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>> lists,
>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>> persons
>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>> December
>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>> Hamelyn
>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
> Hamlin,
>> who
>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
> and
>>
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>> Kent.
>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>> Captain
>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>> John
>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
> Poythress.
>>
>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>> (bef.
>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> was
>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>> Poythress(2)
>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>> (1637-1700)
>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
> Captain
>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> Abstract.
>> Long
>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
>> lease
>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>> Westover
>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>> north
>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
>> 28,
>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
> Sr.,
>>
>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>> Clarke,
>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
>> Edward
>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
> Wyatt,
>> Mr.
>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
>> were
>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>> Southcott,
>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
> ordered
>> that
>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>> command of
>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
> began.
>> In
>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
> slain
>> by
>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
>> men
>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
>> of
>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
> the
>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>> arrested
>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
>> the
>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>> location
>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>> safe
>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
>> to
>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
>> the
>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>> Point
>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
>> fight
>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
>> the
>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
> open
>>
>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>> arrived
>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
> and
>> hanged many of them.
>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
> Edward
>>
>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>> Captain
>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
> and
>>
>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>> examined
>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
> presented
>> to
>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>> Bisse,
>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>> persons
>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
> Governor
>> and
>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
>> may
>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
> Frances
>> was
>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
>> Allen
>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
>> Among
>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>> Pace.
>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
> Mary
>>
>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
> son
>> of
>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
> husband
>> of
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
>> John
>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
> married
>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>> Wynne.
>>
>> Civic Activities
>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
> difference
>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>> deceased,
>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
> court.
>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
>> "The
>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
>> from
>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
> January,
>>
>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>> John
>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
> overseers
>> of
>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
> 20
>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>> father of
>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
> 1658)
>>
>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
> and
>>
>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
> thirteen
>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
> Crane
>> and
>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
>> Hope,
>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>> Choice, in
>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
>> 1,
>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
>> etc."
>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
> Wyatt's
>>
>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> married
>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>> Mrs.
>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain
>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>> that
>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
>> Wyatt
>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
>> one of
>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
> were
>> to
>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks
> of
>> him
>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
>> pay
>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>> hammocks
>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>> very
>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
>> go
>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
>> Wyatt's
>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
>> saith
>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>> (1635-1678)
>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
> Mallory
>> (-1719).
>>
>> Family Estates
>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
>> the
>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>> Peebles'
>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>> Francis
>> Poythress.
>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Francis
>>
>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
>> 450
>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
>> Thomas
>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
>> Towle
>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>
>> Robert Wynne's Will
>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
>> Gentleman.
>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
> conveniently
>> it
>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
> for
>>
>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
>> Kent,
>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
> with
>> all
>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
>> were
>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
>> part
>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
> profits
>>
>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
> administrator
>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
> Thomas,
>> die
>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
>> is my
>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>> please
>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>> shall
>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
> God
>>
>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
> fit
>> by
>> my administratrix.
>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>> Mildred's
>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
> the
>> age
>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
>> heirs
>> to descend as that doth.
>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
> Georges
>> in
>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>> further I
>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
>> over
>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>> formerly
>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
>> and
>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
>> come
>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>> brother,
>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
> failed
>> then
>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>> parish
>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite
> it
>>
>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
>> shall
>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
> formerly
>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>> provision
>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
> one
>> good
>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
>> guns
>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
> tobacco
>>
>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
> him
>> and
>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
> to
>> his
>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
> and
>>
>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with
> a
>>
>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>> guns.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>> next
>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>> oats to
>> buy one.
>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
>> of
>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia
> as
>>
>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
>> give
>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>> Wynne,
>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>> twenty
>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
>> every
>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
>> and
>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
>> Brome,
>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
>> Will
>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
> therein
>>
>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>> Minge,
>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
> John
>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>> 1716).
>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
>> John
>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
> Wynne
>>
>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse.
>>
>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>> Wynne's
>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>
>>
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12/17/2005 5:12:19
Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I show
John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief seems to
have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675 Will.......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Deloris & Michael,
> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and
> their
> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II married
> to
> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John Woodliffe
> III,
> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress, George
> m.
> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
> sheryl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Deloris,
> I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
> daughter,
> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah (Pollard)]
> and
> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
> born
> about 1614.
> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for 550
> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due in
> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of Charles
> City
> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
> Mary
> Archard.
>
> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief (1614-1676)
> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
> against
> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
> Nathaniel
> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during Bacon's
> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil 1655-1665.
> Was
> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever determined
> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>
> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that held
> a
> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial society
> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record of
> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The lucrative
> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
> either....I
> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from enjoying
> his
> just deserts.....Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655 (and
>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist but
>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would have
>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of Colonel
>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George, named
>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress
>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>> Woodlief.
>> He was born 1614.
>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>
>> Family
>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born about
>> 1622,
>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the widow
>> of
>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>> 1655-aft.
>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2) Thomas
>> Wynne
>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>> Jane
>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>> Jones
>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter Wynne
>> and
>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St. George's
>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The Will
>> is in
>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes came
>> to
>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City County,
>> by
>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>> escort
>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in the
>>
>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>> England,
>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of the
>> James River, was named "Georges."
>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>> married
>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress, his
>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>> (1646-bef.
>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of
>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
>> one
>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>> (1643-c.
>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of
>>
>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of
>> the
>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
>> George
>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt. Woodlief's
>> son,
>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in Prince
>>
>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>> Westover
>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>> James,
>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace, son
>> of
>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701),
>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>> Merchants
>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a
>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>> County,
>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony Wyatt,
>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>> Charles
>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds tobacco
>> per
>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on every
>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
>> (in a
>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>> brother or
>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
>> (-bef.
>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>> Horsmenden
>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John Haney;
>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel Thomas
>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>> Cawfield.
>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City: Theodorick
>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland: Captain
>>
>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
>> 1642-1687).
>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John Holmwood,
>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married
>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker Netherland
>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>> 1618-aft.
>> 1675).
>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>> Edward
>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>> Captain
>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land now
>>
>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
>> John
>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her first
>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>> (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan.
>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
>> Wynne
>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>> settle
>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>> 23,
>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen years,
>> the
>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>> Burgesses
>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>> seats
>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>> lists,
>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>> persons
>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>> December
>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>> Hamelyn
>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John Hamlin,
>> who
>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678) and
>>
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son of
>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>> Kent.
>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>> Captain
>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>> John
>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>
>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>> (bef.
>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> was
>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>> Poythress(2)
>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>> (1637-1700)
>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill, Captain
>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, Abstract.
>> Long
>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
>> lease
>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>> Westover
>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>> north
>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted November
>> 28,
>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton, Sr.,
>>
>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>> Clarke,
>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
>> Edward
>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas Wyatt,
>> Mr.
>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
>> were
>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>> Southcott,
>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was ordered
>> that
>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>> command of
>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley was
>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians began.
>> In
>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were slain
>> by
>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men and
>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of his
>> men
>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a party
>> of
>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to the
>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>> arrested
>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
>> the
>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>> location
>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>> safe
>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set fire
>> to
>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship on
>> the
>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>> Point
>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
>> fight
>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted upon
>> the
>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the open
>>
>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>> arrived
>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion and
>> hanged many of them.
>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel Edward
>>
>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>> Captain
>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th and
>>
>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>> examined
>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been presented
>> to
>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>> Bisse,
>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>> persons
>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the Governor
>> and
>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This petition
>> may
>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion. Frances
>> was
>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against a
>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation, as
>> Allen
>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's rebellion.
>> Among
>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>> Pace.
>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of Mary
>>
>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726), son
>> of
>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third husband
>> of
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances Ward.
>> John
>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who married
>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>> Wynne.
>>
>> Civic Activities
>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the difference
>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>> deceased,
>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next court.
>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
>> "The
>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known only
>> from
>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in January,
>>
>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>> John
>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the overseers
>> of
>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and 20
>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes from
>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>> father of
>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c. 1658)
>>
>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes and
>>
>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for thirteen
>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas Crane
>> and
>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
>> Hope,
>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>> Choice, in
>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated September
>> 1,
>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
>> etc."
>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony Wyatt's
>>
>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> married
>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>> Mrs.
>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain
>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>> that
>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr. Anthony
>> Wyatt
>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
>> one of
>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they were
>> to
>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks of
>> him
>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive the
>> pay
>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>> hammocks
>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>> very
>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory [to
>> go
>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
>> Wyatt's
>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
>> saith
>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>> (1635-1678)
>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory
>> (-1719).
>>
>> Family Estates
>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt appraised
>> the
>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>> Peebles'
>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>> Francis
>> Poythress.
>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County, Francis
>>
>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne to
>> 450
>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
>> Thomas
>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
>> Towle
>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>
>> Robert Wynne's Will
>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in Virginia,
>> Gentleman.
>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as conveniently
>> it
>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of for
>>
>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish, in
>> Kent,
>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes, with
>> all
>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and they
>> were
>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy no
>> part
>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what profits
>>
>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my administrator
>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son, Thomas,
>> die
>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and pleasure
>> is my
>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>> please
>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>> shall
>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please God
>>
>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think fit
>> by
>> my administratrix.
>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>> Mildred's
>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at the
>> age
>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default of
>> heirs
>> to descend as that doth.
>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St. Georges
>> in
>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>> further I
>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
>> over
>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>> formerly
>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21 years
>> and
>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before he
>> come
>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>> brother,
>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she failed
>> then
>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>> parish
>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite it
>>
>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
>> shall
>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being formerly
>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>> provision
>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and one
>> good
>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
>> guns
>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the tobacco
>>
>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to him
>> and
>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs to
>> his
>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief, and
>>
>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession with a
>>
>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>> guns.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>> next
>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>> oats to
>> buy one.
>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly foal
>> of
>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia as
>>
>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
>> give
>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>> Wynne,
>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>> twenty
>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness to
>> every
>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my hand
>> and
>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
>> Brome,
>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675. This
>> Will
>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix therein
>>
>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>> Minge,
>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and John
>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>> 1716).
>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
>> John
>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua Wynne
>>
>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse.
>>
>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>> Wynne's
>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>
>>
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12/17/2005 5:22:40
1866 Fenian invasion Nova Scotia
katherine russell
1866 Fenian invasion
John Porteous
Richard W Porteous
John Thomas "
John William "
Joshua Porteous
Milford "
All Cumberland Nova Scotia.
I don't know if any are your Poythress people. They are on the same regiment list as my Robert Hillgrove, which is no relation to my possible Poythress connection.
Many of the family's in this area are descendents of Loyalist that either when to NB/NS area voluntarily or were banished to Canada.
12/17/2005 9:39:35
George Poythress, son of Elizabeth Poythress, 4th Generation
Michael Tutor
There have been only two entries located for George Poythress. He appeared
as the executor of his mother's Will in 1740. No further record has been
found for him after this 1740 record. The next appearance of a George
Poythress in the Poythress family was George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829),
the son of Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1790s?).
The Fourth Generation: George Poythress, son of Elizabeth Poythress
Family
George Poythress, was born by 1717, the son of Elizabeth Poythress.
Civic Activities
On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in suit by Thomas Eldridge,
attorney for our Sovereign Lord the King, against John Jones, on October 4,
1738, on his plantation in Martin's Brandon parish "failing to hire an
overseer as required by the Act of the Assembly and understating tithables,"
a jury was empaneled that included, among others, John Gilliam, Jr., and
George Poythress. The defendant was found guilty and fined 1,000 pounds of
tobacco.
After Elizabeth Poythress' Death
On February 12, 1740, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
of Elizabeth Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by her son,
George Poythress, her executor who made oath thereto and its being proved by
the oath of Richard Bland, gentleman, one of the witnesses thereto, was
ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of the said George Poythress
certificate was granted him for obtaining Probate of the said Will in due
form.
12/18/2005 2:14:33
Charles Poythress, Gentleman, 4th Generation
Michael Tutor
The next Charles Poythress in the Poythress family after this man was
Charles David Poythress (1849-), son of David, grandson of Lewis and great
grandson of Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1790s?).
The Fourth Generation: Charles Poythress, Gentleman
Family
Charles Poythress was born by 1717. On April 9, 1739, a marriage contract
was entered, in Henrico County, between Charles Poythress and Catherine
Crawford. The contract was recorded in Chesterfield County. Their son, John,
was born after 1739. Charles was dead by February, 1763. His executors were
Peter Woodlief and William Cryer.
Civic Activities
On July 11, 1738, in Prince George County, in the case of Thomas Gibson
versus Drury Oliver for non-payment, etc. Charles Poythress was on the jury.
The suit was dismissed and the plaintiff was to pay the costs.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass for
assault and battery brought by Robert Hudson against James Moody for £10
current money damages by means of the defendants beating, wounding and
evilly treating the plaintiff at the parish of Bristol in this county on
January 9, 1738, and other enormities to the said plaintiff with force and
arms; then and there doing against the peace; as in the declaration set
forth. The defendant, by his attorney, appeared and by his attorney pleaded
not guilty and for trial put himself upon the county and the plaintiff in
like manner, whereupon a jury was empaneled and labored to try the matter in
the issue, by name Richard Taylor, Joshua Poythress, Robert Poythress,
Thomas Poythress, Charles Poythress, John Sturdivant, Joseph Simmons, A.
Graham Toney, Joshua Wynne, William Parsons, Timothy Lamar, and William
Batte who, having heard the evidence and allegations of the attorneys,
received their charge, were sent out, and soon afterward returned into the
court and brought in their verdict, "We find for the plaintiff forty
shillings current money," which verdict makes motion of the plaintiff's
attorney recorded and it is considered by the court that the plaintiff
recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum of forty shillings being his
damages by the jurors aforesaid in names aforesaid assessed together with
costs and an attorney's fee, Als: Exeo.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the case of John Cox versus
Henry Fitz for debt, a jury was empaneled as follows: Robert Poythress, John
Poythress and Charles Poythress, among others, and they found for the
plaintiff.
On January 27, 1756, in Brunswick County, Charles Poythress' name on an
audited list for the estate of Alexander Walker [possibly list of Walker's
accounts, or purchasers of estate items]. Audit was returned to the court on
this date.
Court Cases
On August 17, 1752, in Halifax County, Virginia, Charles Poythress versus
John Hannah on a petition, defendant not found, returnable. On December 19,
1752, on a petition of Charles Poythress versus John Hannah, defendant not
found, returnable to next court. On March 20, 1753, Charles Poythress versus
John Hannah, defendant by his attorney, continued until next court. On May
15, 1753, the petition of Charles Poythress versus John Hanna on motion and
cost of plaintiff continued to next court. On September 19, 1753, the
petition of Charles Poythress versus John Hanna continued. On October 16,
1753, the petition of Charles Poythress against John Hanna continued for
proof of account. On November 22, 1753, Charles Poythress against John Hanna
continued for proof of plaintiff's account. On March 14, 1754, Charles
Poythress against John Hanna continued.
Property: Land
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Poythress acknowledged
his deed for land, sealed to Charles Poythress on whose motion it was
ordered that the said deed be recorded.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Charles
Poythress acknowledged their deed for land, indented and sealed, to Francis
Poythress, Gentleman, on whose motion it was ordered that the said deed be
recorded.
On August 20, 1745, Charles Poythress, was granted 300 acres, on the lower
side of the Oldfield Branch of Butterwood swamp, adjoining Francis Coleman,
on the upper side of the Beach Branch.
On May 29, 1751, John Hawkins, of North Carolina, to Charles Poythress, of
Virginia, for £36 current money of Virginia in hand paid to John Sellers,
Jr., and Robert Gee, sold to Charles Poythress, 640 acres, in the Province
of North Carolina, and in Granville County, on both sides of Hawkins Creek,
beginning at Sellers, in the line of Hawkins. Surry County, release of Dower
of Temperance Clark, wife of James Clark, of Dinwiddie County, for a deed
dated July 17, 1758. Signed by Charles Poythress, Gentleman, of Dinwiddie
County. Lemuel Claiborne, Jr.
Adjoining Property
On September 5, 1749, John Elder, was granted 200 acres, in Prince George
County, on the south side of the Butterwood Swamp, adjoining William
Poythress, Thomas Elder, Whitmore, his own old line, Moore and Charles
Poythress.
Pertinent Property
On February 8, 1745, Henry Dawson and Lucy, his wife, in Amelia County, sold
to William Meredith, of Straton Major parish, in King and Queen County,
1,350 acres, in Amelia County, on both sides of Stooks Creek? Adjoins Paulin
Anderson, a branch of Sandy Creek, David Crawford, etc. The witnesses were
James Loving and Larance Smith.
Family Estates
In Chesterfield County, the Will of Elizabeth Anderson, of Dale Parish,
Chesterfield County, dated October 9, 1759, recorded in 1761.
To my daughter, Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro.
To my grandson, John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
To my grandson, John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
The rest of my estate to my son, Claiborne Anderson.
The witnesses were Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop and Penellope
Parrot.
Elizabeth Claiborne, daughter of William Claiborne III, married Ralph
Crawforth (Crawford), and was the mother of two children by him. Her
daughter, Catherine Crawforth, married Charles Poythress. Her daughter,
Elizabeth Crawforth, married Henry Anderson, Jr., the son of Elizabeth
Claiborne Crawforth Anderson's second husband, Henry Anderson. Henry
Anderson, Sr., died in 1734.
Recorded in September, 1761, in Chesterfield County, received of Mrs.
Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late administratrix of Ralph Crawford,
deceased , four negroes, Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel, to Charles Poythress
on account of his marriage to his daughter, Elizabeth Crawford, on April 10,
1739. Signed by Henry Anderson. The witnesses were George Robertson,
Minister, James Mitcheal and Charles Poythress.
Recorded in January, 1762, in Chesterfield County, a marriage was intended
between Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawford, and this was an agreement
between them. It was agreed that the negroes, Jack, Abram, Tom, Nanny, Lett,
Sarah, Jenny, Bess and Hilly, which belong to Catherine Crawford, was to
remain her own property. Marriage agreement, Henrico County, April 9, 1739.
Signed by Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawforth. The witnesses were
James Mitchael, Henry Anderson and John Old.
After Charles Poythress' Death
In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, the charges were denominated in pounds of
tobacco, for which it was likely warehouse receipts were used to pay the
bill.
Gardiner Mayes, August, 1763, motion for judgement versus C. Poythress'
executor, attorney, judgement. September, executive order.
Captain Leonard Claiborne, February, 1763, Commission to examine witnesses
versus Charles Poythress' executors omitted February court, 1762.
February to October, 1763, Peter Woodlief and William Cryer, executors of
Charles Poythress, deceased.
Benjamin Murphey, Gray Briggs, Secretary for Costs. May, 1763, two subpoenas
for witnesses versus C. Poythress' executors. June, continuance. August,
subpoena.
Robert Poythress, William Glascock, his Guardian, May, 1763, entering for
Order for attendance versus Cryer, trial, judgement. June, 1763, dismissed
versus C. Poythress' executor.
Peter Woodlief, Prince George County, Ser for C. Poythress' Will.
James Stewart, otherwise called James Ellis, October, 1763, subpoena in
Chancery versus C. Poythress' executors, docketing, attorney, continuance.
On April 6, 1772, in Bute County, William Cryor, surviving executor of
Charles Poythress, deceased, of Bath parish, in Dinwiddie County, to Isaac
Howell, of the same parish and county. Having qualified as executors of the
Will of Charles Poythress who died 17?, Certificate recorded in Dinwiddie
County court, William Cryor and Peter Woodle~, of Dinwiddie County, sold 644
acres in Bute County, on Hawtree Creek, adjoining Hawkins, to John Rees,
Jr., for £45 Virginia money. Peter Woodlet died before this transaction was
completed but John Rees had sold 320 acres of this land to Isaac Howell and
the other 324 acres to Travice Rees. Now it was agreed that the whole tract
be conveyed to Isaac Howell, for the £45 Virginia money paid by John Rees,
Jr., and 5 shillings to be paid by Howell. The witnesses were John Coleman,
John Williamson, Drury Ragsdale and Abner Grigg, Jr., and proved by John
Williamson, in Bute County court.
October 23, 1773, Isaac Howell to Henry Fittz, both of Dinwiddie County, 322
acres, in Bute County, on both sides of Hawtree Creek, adjoining Joshua
Ellis, Travice Reese and John Jones (formerly Young), land which was sold to
Charles Poythress, of Dinwiddie County, by John Hawkins. The witnesses were
Henry Sturdivant, Travess Rees, Ephraim Ellis and William Ellis and was
proved by Ephraim Ellis.
12/18/2005 2:28:19
Re: James Porteus, Orange County, VA
Crystal
The year for the court was 1738 and from the way the record looks, it seems to be that translation was from German maybe and it was a numerical account that he was translating. This is coming from the records of Germanna.
Crystal
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>Sent: Dec 16, 2005 11:23 AM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: James Porteus, Orange County, VA
>
>Crystal, I'm curious what date preceded the "August term following" --
>What year was this?
>
>And curious about your reference to "translated" -- Any indication of
>the language being translated? If it was French, then I'd be inclined to
>say he's not ours. If Scot or Irish, then I'd think again.
>
>At any rate, thanks for spotting these references.
>Barbara (BPN)
>
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12/18/2005 3:22:41
more on James Porteus
Crystal
James Porteus--certified that he is a man of probity, honesty, diligence, good demeanor and a fair practitioner in order to be "examined according to law."
JUNE 18, 1746. Augusta Co, VA
This is an excerpt from the Scotch-Irish in VA website.
12/18/2005 3:42:20
RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris Riley
I am confused; please help. Are you saying these were the children of
Mary Wynne Woodlief (from your e-mail:)
"I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
> daughter,
> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah
(Pollard)]
> and
> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
> born
> about 1614."
I am having a hard time with all of the new (to me) information on the
Woodliefs. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:23 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I show
John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief seems
to
have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675
Will.......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Deloris & Michael,
> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and
> their
> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II
married
> to
> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John
Woodliffe
> III,
> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress,
George
> m.
> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
> sheryl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Deloris,
>
> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for
550
> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due
in
> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of
Charles
> City
> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
> Mary
> Archard.
>
> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
(1614-1676)
> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
> against
> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
> Nathaniel
> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
Bacon's
> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil
1655-1665.
> Was
> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
determined
> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>
> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
held
> a
> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial
society
> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record
of
> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
lucrative
> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
> either....I
> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from
enjoying
> his
> just deserts.....Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655
(and
>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist
but
>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would
have
>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
Colonel
>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
named
>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress
>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>> Woodlief.
>> He was born 1614.
>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>
>> Family
>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born
about
>> 1622,
>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
widow
>> of
>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>> 1655-aft.
>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2)
Thomas
>> Wynne
>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>> Jane
>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>> Jones
>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter
Wynne
>> and
>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St.
George's
>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The
Will
>> is in
>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes
came
>> to
>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
County,
>> by
>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>> escort
>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
the
>>
>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>> England,
>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
the
>> James River, was named "Georges."
>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>> married
>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress,
his
>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>> (1646-bef.
>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
of
>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief
had
>> one
>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>> (1643-c.
>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter
of
>>
>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
of
>> the
>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
>> George
>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt.
Woodlief's
>> son,
>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
Prince
>>
>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>> Westover
>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>> James,
>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
son
>> of
>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
1701),
>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>> Merchants
>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child,
a
>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>> County,
>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony
Wyatt,
>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>> Charles
>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
tobacco
>> per
>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on
every
>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
>> (in a
>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill
(1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>> brother or
>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
>> (-bef.
>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
Wynne
>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>> Horsmenden
>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John
Haney;
>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel
Thomas
>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>> Cawfield.
>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
Theodorick
>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
Captain
>>
>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
>> 1642-1687).
>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
Holmwood,
>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married
>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker
Netherland
>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>> 1618-aft.
>> 1675).
>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>> Edward
>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>> Captain
>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
now
>>
>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
>> John
>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
first
>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>> (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan.
>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
>> Wynne
>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>> settle
>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>> 23,
>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
years,
>> the
>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>> Burgesses
>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>> seats
>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>> lists,
>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>> persons
>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>> December
>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>> Hamelyn
>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
Hamlin,
>> who
>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
and
>>
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son
of
>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>> Kent.
>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>> Captain
>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>> John
>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
Poythress.
>>
>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>> (bef.
>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> was
>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>> Poythress(2)
>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>> (1637-1700)
>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
Captain
>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
Abstract.
>> Long
>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
>> lease
>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>> Westover
>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>> north
>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted
November
>> 28,
>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
Sr.,
>>
>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>> Clarke,
>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
>> Edward
>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
Wyatt,
>> Mr.
>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
>> were
>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>> Southcott,
>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
ordered
>> that
>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>> command of
>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley
was
>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
began.
>> In
>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
slain
>> by
>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men
and
>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of
his
>> men
>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a
party
>> of
>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
the
>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>> arrested
>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
>> the
>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>> location
>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>> safe
>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set
fire
>> to
>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship
on
>> the
>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>> Point
>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
>> fight
>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted
upon
>> the
>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
open
>>
>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>> arrived
>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
and
>> hanged many of them.
>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
Edward
>>
>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>> Captain
>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
and
>>
>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>> examined
>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
presented
>> to
>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>> Bisse,
>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>> persons
>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
Governor
>> and
>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This
petition
>> may
>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
Frances
>> was
>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against
a
>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation,
as
>> Allen
>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's
rebellion.
>> Among
>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>> Pace.
>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
Mary
>>
>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
son
>> of
>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
husband
>> of
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances
Ward.
>> John
>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
married
>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>> Wynne.
>>
>> Civic Activities
>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
difference
>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>> deceased,
>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
court.
>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
>> "The
>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known
only
>> from
>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
January,
>>
>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>> John
>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
overseers
>> of
>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
20
>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes
from
>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>> father of
>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
1658)
>>
>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs.
Mary
>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
and
>>
>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
thirteen
>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
Crane
>> and
>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
>> Hope,
>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>> Choice, in
>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated
September
>> 1,
>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
>> etc."
>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
Wyatt's
>>
>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> married
>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>> Mrs.
>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain
>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>> that
>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr.
Anthony
>> Wyatt
>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
>> one of
>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
were
>> to
>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks
of
>> him
>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive
the
>> pay
>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>> hammocks
>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>> very
>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory
[to
>> go
>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
>> Wyatt's
>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
>> saith
>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>> (1635-1678)
>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
Mallory
>> (-1719).
>>
>> Family Estates
>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt
appraised
>> the
>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>> Peebles'
>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>> Francis
>> Poythress.
>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Francis
>>
>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne
to
>> 450
>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
>> Thomas
>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
>> Towle
>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>
>> Robert Wynne's Will
>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in
Virginia,
>> Gentleman.
>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
conveniently
>> it
>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
for
>>
>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish,
in
>> Kent,
>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
with
>> all
>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and
they
>> were
>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy
no
>> part
>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
profits
>>
>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
administrator
>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
Thomas,
>> die
>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and
pleasure
>> is my
>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>> please
>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>> shall
>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
God
>>
>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
fit
>> by
>> my administratrix.
>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>> Mildred's
>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
the
>> age
>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default
of
>> heirs
>> to descend as that doth.
>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
Georges
>> in
>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>> further I
>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
>> over
>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>> formerly
>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21
years
>> and
>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before
he
>> come
>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>> brother,
>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
failed
>> then
>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>> parish
>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite
it
>>
>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
>> shall
>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
formerly
>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>> provision
>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
one
>> good
>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
>> guns
>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
tobacco
>>
>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
him
>> and
>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
to
>> his
>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
and
>>
>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession
with a
>>
>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>> guns.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>> next
>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>> oats to
>> buy one.
>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly
foal
>> of
>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia
as
>>
>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
>> give
>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>> Wynne,
>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>> twenty
>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness
to
>> every
>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my
hand
>> and
>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
>> Brome,
>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675.
This
>> Will
>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
therein
>>
>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>> Minge,
>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
John
>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>> 1716).
>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
>> John
>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
Wynne
>>
>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse.
>>
>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>> Wynne's
>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>
>>
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12/18/2005 5:43:48
RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris Riley
Sorry for the bother but all I really am needing to know, at this point,
is who were the children of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief and do you have
any dates? Thanks (again) Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Deloris, there are too many John Woodliefs.
I show:
(I) John Woodlief (c. 1584-c. 1637) m. Mary Archard
(II) John Woodlief (c. 1614-1676)
(III) John Woodlief (c. 1643-c. 1716) m. Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft. 1707)
brothers: Edward Woodlief m. Sarah Pollard; and, George Woodlief m.
Elizabeth Wallace
(IV) John Woodlief (c. 1673-aft. 1741) m. Mary Poythress (c. 1678-)
brothers: Joshua Woodlief; and, George Woodlief m. Norah Epes
I think what you are referring to is where I said Mary Poythress vice
Mary
Wynne. Is that it?......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>I am confused; please help. Are you saying these were the children of
> Mary Wynne Woodlief (from your e-mail:)
> "I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
>> daughter,
>> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah
> (Pollard)]
>> and
>> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John
Woodlief
>
>> born
>> about 1614."
> I am having a hard time with all of the new (to me) information on the
> Woodliefs. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:23 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I
show
>
> John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief
seems
> to
> have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675
> Will.......Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
>
>> Deloris & Michael,
>> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family
and
>
>> their
>> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II
> married
>> to
>> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John
> Woodliffe
>> III,
>> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress,
> George
>> m.
>> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
>> sheryl
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Deloris,
>>
>> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for
> 550
>> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife,
due
> in
>> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of
> Charles
>> City
>> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
>> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655)
and
>
>> Mary
>> Archard.
>>
>> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
> (1614-1676)
>> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
>> against
>> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
>> Nathaniel
>> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
> Bacon's
>> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil
> 1655-1665.
>> Was
>> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
> determined
>> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>>
>> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
> held
>> a
>> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had
a
>> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial
> society
>> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position,
the
>> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia
officer
>> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no
record
> of
>> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in
his
>> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
> lucrative
>> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and
senior
>> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
>> either....I
>> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from
> enjoying
>> his
>> just deserts.....Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655
> (and
>>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist
> but
>>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave
a
>>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would
> have
>>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only
knew
>>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
> Colonel
>>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
> named
>>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>>> Poythress
>>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>>> Woodlief.
>>> He was born 1614.
>>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>>
>>> Family
>>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born
> about
>>> 1622,
>>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
> widow
>>> of
>>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>>> 1655-aft.
>>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2)
> Thomas
>>> Wynne
>>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>>> Jane
>>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>>> Jones
>>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of
William
>>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>>> Wynne
>>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter
> Wynne
>>> and
>>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St.
> George's
>>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The
> Will
>>> is in
>>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes
> came
>>> to
>>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
> County,
>>> by
>>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's
Long
>>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>>> escort
>>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure
the
>>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
> the
>>>
>>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>>> England,
>>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
> the
>>> James River, was named "Georges."
>>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>>> married
>>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress,
> his
>>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>>> (1646-bef.
>>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
> of
>>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief
> had
>>> one
>>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>>> (1643-c.
>>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress,
daughter
> of
>>>
>>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
> of
>>> the
>>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one
son,
>>> George
>>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt.
> Woodlief's
>>> son,
>>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
> Prince
>>>
>>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>>> Westover
>>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>>> James,
>>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
> son
>>> of
>>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
> 1701),
>>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>>> Merchants
>>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one
child,
> a
>>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>>
>>> Professional Life
>>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>>> County,
>>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony
> Wyatt,
>>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>>> Charles
>>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
> tobacco
>>> per
>>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on
> every
>>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows,
viz:
>>> (in a
>>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill
> (1610-1663)
>>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>>> brother or
>>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth
Menefie
>>> (-bef.
>>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649.
David
>>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John
and
>>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
> Wynne
>>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>>> Horsmenden
>>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John
> Haney;
>>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major
Richard
>>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel
> Thomas
>>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>>> Cawfield.
>>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
> Theodorick
>>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
> Captain
>>>
>>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett
(c.
>>> 1642-1687).
>>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> present
>>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
> Holmwood,
>>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>>> married
>>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker
> Netherland
>>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>>> 1618-aft.
>>> 1675).
>>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>>> Edward
>>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>>> Captain
>>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
> now
>>>
>>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married
to
>>> John
>>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
> first
>>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>>> (1610-1663)
>>> married Hannah Jordan.
>>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain
Robert
>>> Wynne
>>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>>> settle
>>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on
March
>>> 23,
>>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
> years,
>>> the
>>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>>> Burgesses
>>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>>> seats
>>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>>> lists,
>>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>>> persons
>>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>>> December
>>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>>> Hamelyn
>>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
> Hamlin,
>>> who
>>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
> and
>>>
>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son
> of
>>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>>> Kent.
>>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>>> Captain
>>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> present
>>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>>> John
>>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
> Poythress.
>>>
>>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>>> (bef.
>>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne
(1622-1678)
>>> was
>>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>>> Poythress(2)
>>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John
Drayton
>>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>>> (1637-1700)
>>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
present
>>> were
>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
> Captain
>>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> Abstract.
>>> Long
>>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes
to
>>> lease
>>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>>> Westover
>>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on
the
>>> north
>>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted
> November
>>> 28,
>>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
> Sr.,
>>>
>>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>>> Clarke,
>>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary
Kent.
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> present
>>> were
>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne,
Major
>>> Edward
>>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
> Wyatt,
>>> Mr.
>>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol,
present
>>> were
>>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>>> Southcott,
>>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
> ordered
>>> that
>>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>>> command of
>>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley
> was
>>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
> began.
>>> In
>>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
> slain
>>> by
>>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting
a
>>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men
> and
>>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of
> his
>>> men
>>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a
> party
>>> of
>>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
> the
>>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>>> arrested
>>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every
encounter,
>>> the
>>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>>> location
>>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to
be
>>> safe
>>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set
> fire
>>> to
>>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship
> on
>>> the
>>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>>> Point
>>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned
to
>>> fight
>>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted
> upon
>>> the
>>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
> open
>>>
>>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide
the
>>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>>> arrived
>>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
> and
>>> hanged many of them.
>>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
> Edward
>>>
>>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>>> Captain
>>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
> and
>>>
>>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>>> examined
>>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
> presented
>>> to
>>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>>> Bisse,
>>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>>> persons
>>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
> Governor
>>> and
>>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This
> petition
>>> may
>>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
> Frances
>>> was
>>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish,
in
>>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against
> a
>>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation,
> as
>>> Allen
>>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's
> rebellion.
>>> Among
>>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>>> Pace.
>>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
> Mary
>>>
>>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
> son
>>> of
>>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
> husband
>>> of
>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances
> Ward.
>>> John
>>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
> married
>>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>>> Wynne.
>>>
>>> Civic Activities
>>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain
John
>>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
> difference
>>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>>> deceased,
>>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
> court.
>>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman
says
>>> "The
>>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known
> only
>>> from
>>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
> January,
>>>
>>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>>> John
>>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
> overseers
>>> of
>>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
> 20
>>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes
> from
>>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>>> father of
>>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft.
1707),
>>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
> 1658)
>>>
>>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs.
> Mary
>>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
> and
>>>
>>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>>
>>> As Witness
>>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
> thirteen
>>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
> Crane
>>> and
>>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of
Merchant's
>>> Hope,
>>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>>> Choice, in
>>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated
> September
>>> 1,
>>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants,
crops,
>>> etc."
>>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
> Wyatt's
>>>
>>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>>> married
>>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>>> Mrs.
>>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> Captain
>>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn,
said
>>> that
>>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr.
> Anthony
>>> Wyatt
>>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were
with
>>> one of
>>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
> were
>>> to
>>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two
hammocks
> of
>>> him
>>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive
> the
>>> pay
>>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>>> hammocks
>>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>>> very
>>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory
> [to
>>> go
>>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to
Mr.
>>> Wyatt's
>>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and
further
>>> saith
>>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>>> (1635-1678)
>>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
> Mallory
>>> (-1719).
>>>
>>> Family Estates
>>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt
> appraised
>>> the
>>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>>> Peebles'
>>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>>> Francis
>>> Poythress.
>>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Francis
>>>
>>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne
> to
>>> 450
>>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis
Poythress,
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock,
Ellinor
>>> Towle
>>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>>
>>> Robert Wynne's Will
>>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in
> Virginia,
>>> Gentleman.
>>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
> conveniently
>>> it
>>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
> for
>>>
>>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish,
> in
>>> Kent,
>>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
> with
>>> all
>>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and
> they
>>> were
>>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy
> no
>>> part
>>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
> profits
>>>
>>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
> administrator
>>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
> Thomas,
>>> die
>>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and
> pleasure
>>> is my
>>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>>> please
>>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>>> shall
>>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
> God
>>>
>>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
> fit
>>> by
>>> my administratrix.
>>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>>> Mildred's
>>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
> the
>>> age
>>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default
> of
>>> heirs
>>> to descend as that doth.
>>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
> Georges
>>> in
>>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>>> further I
>>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same
lane
>>> over
>>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>>> formerly
>>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21
> years
>>> and
>>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his
body
>>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before
> he
>>> come
>>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>>> brother,
>>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
> failed
>>> then
>>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>>> parish
>>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam
requisite
> it
>>>
>>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as
it
>>> shall
>>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
> formerly
>>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>>> provision
>>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
> one
>>> good
>>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise
two
>>> guns
>>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
> tobacco
>>>
>>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
> him
>>> and
>>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
> to
>>> his
>>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
> and
>>>
>>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession
> with a
>>>
>>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>>> guns.
>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>>> next
>>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>>> oats to
>>> buy one.
>>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly
> foal
>>> of
>>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in
Virginia
> as
>>>
>>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age
I
>>> give
>>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>>> Wynne,
>>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will
and
>>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends,
Thomas
>>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I
give
>>> twenty
>>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness
> to
>>> every
>>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my
> hand
>>> and
>>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were
Thomas
>>> Brome,
>>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675.
> This
>>> Will
>>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
> therein
>>>
>>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>>> Minge,
>>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
> John
>>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>>> 1716).
>>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter
of
>>> John
>>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
> Wynne
>>>
>>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter
Jones
>>> and
>>> Margaret Cruse.
>>>
>>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>>> Wynne's
>>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>>
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Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
Deloris, there are too many John Woodliefs.
I show:
(I) John Woodlief (c. 1584-c. 1637) m. Mary Archard
(II) John Woodlief (c. 1614-1676)
(III) John Woodlief (c. 1643-c. 1716) m. Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft. 1707)
brothers: Edward Woodlief m. Sarah Pollard; and, George Woodlief m.
Elizabeth Wallace
(IV) John Woodlief (c. 1673-aft. 1741) m. Mary Poythress (c. 1678-)
brothers: Joshua Woodlief; and, George Woodlief m. Norah Epes
I think what you are referring to is where I said Mary Poythress vice Mary
Wynne. Is that it?......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>I am confused; please help. Are you saying these were the children of
> Mary Wynne Woodlief (from your e-mail:)
> "I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
>> daughter,
>> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah
> (Pollard)]
>> and
>> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief
>
>> born
>> about 1614."
> I am having a hard time with all of the new (to me) information on the
> Woodliefs. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:23 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I show
>
> John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief seems
> to
> have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675
> Will.......Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
>
>> Deloris & Michael,
>> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and
>
>> their
>> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II
> married
>> to
>> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John
> Woodliffe
>> III,
>> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress,
> George
>> m.
>> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
>> sheryl
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Deloris,
>>
>> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for
> 550
>> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due
> in
>> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of
> Charles
>> City
>> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
>> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and
>
>> Mary
>> Archard.
>>
>> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
> (1614-1676)
>> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
>> against
>> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
>> Nathaniel
>> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
> Bacon's
>> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil
> 1655-1665.
>> Was
>> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
> determined
>> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>>
>> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
> held
>> a
>> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a
>> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial
> society
>> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the
>> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
>> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record
> of
>> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his
>> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
> lucrative
>> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior
>> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
>> either....I
>> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from
> enjoying
>> his
>> just deserts.....Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655
> (and
>>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist
> but
>>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a
>>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would
> have
>>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew
>>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
> Colonel
>>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
> named
>>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>>> Poythress
>>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>>> Woodlief.
>>> He was born 1614.
>>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>>
>>> Family
>>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born
> about
>>> 1622,
>>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
> widow
>>> of
>>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>>> 1655-aft.
>>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2)
> Thomas
>>> Wynne
>>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>>> Jane
>>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>>> Jones
>>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>>> Wynne
>>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter
> Wynne
>>> and
>>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St.
> George's
>>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The
> Will
>>> is in
>>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes
> came
>>> to
>>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
> County,
>>> by
>>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long
>>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>>> escort
>>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure the
>>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
> the
>>>
>>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>>> England,
>>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
> the
>>> James River, was named "Georges."
>>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>>> married
>>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress,
> his
>>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>>> (1646-bef.
>>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
> of
>>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief
> had
>>> one
>>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>>> (1643-c.
>>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter
> of
>>>
>>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
> of
>>> the
>>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,
>>> George
>>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt.
> Woodlief's
>>> son,
>>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
> Prince
>>>
>>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>>> Westover
>>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>>> James,
>>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
> son
>>> of
>>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
> 1701),
>>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>>> Merchants
>>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child,
> a
>>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>>
>>> Professional Life
>>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>>> County,
>>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony
> Wyatt,
>>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>>> Charles
>>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
> tobacco
>>> per
>>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on
> every
>>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:
>>> (in a
>>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill
> (1610-1663)
>>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>>> brother or
>>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth Menefie
>>> (-bef.
>>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
> Wynne
>>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>>> Horsmenden
>>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John
> Haney;
>>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard
>>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel
> Thomas
>>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>>> Cawfield.
>>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
> Theodorick
>>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
> Captain
>>>
>>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.
>>> 1642-1687).
>>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> present
>>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
> Holmwood,
>>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>>> married
>>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker
> Netherland
>>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>>> 1618-aft.
>>> 1675).
>>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>>> Edward
>>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>>> Captain
>>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
> now
>>>
>>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to
>>> John
>>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
> first
>>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>>> (1610-1663)
>>> married Hannah Jordan.
>>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert
>>> Wynne
>>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>>> settle
>>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>>> 23,
>>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
> years,
>>> the
>>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>>> Burgesses
>>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>>> seats
>>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>>> lists,
>>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>>> persons
>>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>>> December
>>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>>> Hamelyn
>>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
> Hamlin,
>>> who
>>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
> and
>>>
>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son
> of
>>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>>> Kent.
>>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>>> Captain
>>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> present
>>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>>> John
>>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
> Poythress.
>>>
>>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>>> (bef.
>>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>>> was
>>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>>> Poythress(2)
>>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>>> (1637-1700)
>>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>>> were
>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
> Captain
>>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> Abstract.
>>> Long
>>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to
>>> lease
>>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>>> Westover
>>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>>> north
>>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted
> November
>>> 28,
>>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
> Sr.,
>>>
>>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>>> Clarke,
>>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent.
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> present
>>> were
>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major
>>> Edward
>>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
> Wyatt,
>>> Mr.
>>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present
>>> were
>>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>>> Southcott,
>>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
> ordered
>>> that
>>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>>> command of
>>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley
> was
>>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
> began.
>>> In
>>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
> slain
>>> by
>>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a
>>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men
> and
>>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of
> his
>>> men
>>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a
> party
>>> of
>>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
> the
>>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>>> arrested
>>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every encounter,
>>> the
>>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>>> location
>>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>>> safe
>>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set
> fire
>>> to
>>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship
> on
>>> the
>>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>>> Point
>>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned to
>>> fight
>>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted
> upon
>>> the
>>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
> open
>>>
>>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the
>>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>>> arrived
>>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
> and
>>> hanged many of them.
>>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
> Edward
>>>
>>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>>> Captain
>>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
> and
>>>
>>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>>> examined
>>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
> presented
>>> to
>>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>>> Bisse,
>>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>>> persons
>>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
> Governor
>>> and
>>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This
> petition
>>> may
>>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
> Frances
>>> was
>>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in
>>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against
> a
>>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation,
> as
>>> Allen
>>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's
> rebellion.
>>> Among
>>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>>> Pace.
>>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
> Mary
>>>
>>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
> son
>>> of
>>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
> husband
>>> of
>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances
> Ward.
>>> John
>>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
> married
>>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>>> Wynne.
>>>
>>> Civic Activities
>>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John
>>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
> difference
>>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>>> deceased,
>>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
> court.
>>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says
>>> "The
>>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known
> only
>>> from
>>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
> January,
>>>
>>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>>> John
>>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
> overseers
>>> of
>>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
> 20
>>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes
> from
>>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>>> father of
>>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707),
>>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
> 1658)
>>>
>>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs.
> Mary
>>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
> and
>>>
>>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>>
>>> As Witness
>>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
> thirteen
>>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
> Crane
>>> and
>>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's
>>> Hope,
>>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>>> Choice, in
>>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated
> September
>>> 1,
>>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,
>>> etc."
>>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
> Wyatt's
>>>
>>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>>> married
>>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>>> Mrs.
>>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>> Captain
>>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>>> that
>>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr.
> Anthony
>>> Wyatt
>>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with
>>> one of
>>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
> were
>>> to
>>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks
> of
>>> him
>>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive
> the
>>> pay
>>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>>> hammocks
>>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>>> very
>>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory
> [to
>>> go
>>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.
>>> Wyatt's
>>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and further
>>> saith
>>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>>> (1635-1678)
>>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
> Mallory
>>> (-1719).
>>>
>>> Family Estates
>>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt
> appraised
>>> the
>>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>>> Peebles'
>>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>>> Francis
>>> Poythress.
>>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Francis
>>>
>>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne
> to
>>> 450
>>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock, Ellinor
>>> Towle
>>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>>> Thomas
>>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>>
>>> Robert Wynne's Will
>>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in
> Virginia,
>>> Gentleman.
>>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
> conveniently
>>> it
>>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
> for
>>>
>>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish,
> in
>>> Kent,
>>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
> with
>>> all
>>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and
> they
>>> were
>>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy
> no
>>> part
>>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
> profits
>>>
>>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
> administrator
>>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
> Thomas,
>>> die
>>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and
> pleasure
>>> is my
>>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>>> please
>>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>>> shall
>>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
> God
>>>
>>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
> fit
>>> by
>>> my administratrix.
>>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>>> Mildred's
>>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
> the
>>> age
>>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default
> of
>>> heirs
>>> to descend as that doth.
>>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
> Georges
>>> in
>>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>>> further I
>>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same lane
>>> over
>>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>>> formerly
>>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21
> years
>>> and
>>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body
>>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before
> he
>>> come
>>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>>> brother,
>>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
> failed
>>> then
>>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>>> parish
>>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam requisite
> it
>>>
>>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it
>>> shall
>>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
> formerly
>>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>>> provision
>>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
> one
>>> good
>>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two
>>> guns
>>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
> tobacco
>>>
>>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
> him
>>> and
>>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
> to
>>> his
>>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
> and
>>>
>>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession
> with a
>>>
>>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>>> guns.
>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>>> next
>>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>>> oats to
>>> buy one.
>>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly
> foal
>>> of
>>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia
> as
>>>
>>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I
>>> give
>>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>>> Wynne,
>>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>>> twenty
>>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness
> to
>>> every
>>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my
> hand
>>> and
>>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas
>>> Brome,
>>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675.
> This
>>> Will
>>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
> therein
>>>
>>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>>> Minge,
>>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
> John
>>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>>> 1716).
>>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter of
>>> John
>>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
> Wynne
>>>
>>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones
>>> and
>>> Margaret Cruse.
>>>
>>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>>> Wynne's
>>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>>
>>>
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12/18/2005 8:26:12
Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
OK. What I have in my FTM is three sons, George (bef. 1675-c. 1743), John
(c. 1675-aft. 1741) and Joshua (c. 1690-1745). Do you have a similar list of
children?.......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
> Sorry for the bother but all I really am needing to know, at this point,
> is who were the children of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief and do you have
> any dates? Thanks (again) Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:26 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
> Deloris, there are too many John Woodliefs.
>
> I show:
> (I) John Woodlief (c. 1584-c. 1637) m. Mary Archard
>
> (II) John Woodlief (c. 1614-1676)
>
> (III) John Woodlief (c. 1643-c. 1716) m. Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft. 1707)
>
> brothers: Edward Woodlief m. Sarah Pollard; and, George Woodlief m.
> Elizabeth Wallace
>
> (IV) John Woodlief (c. 1673-aft. 1741) m. Mary Poythress (c. 1678-)
>
> brothers: Joshua Woodlief; and, George Woodlief m. Norah Epes
>
> I think what you are referring to is where I said Mary Poythress vice
> Mary
> Wynne. Is that it?......Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>
>
>>I am confused; please help. Are you saying these were the children of
>> Mary Wynne Woodlief (from your e-mail:)
>> "I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
>>> daughter,
>>> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah
>> (Pollard)]
>>> and
>>> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John
> Woodlief
>>
>>> born
>>> about 1614."
>> I am having a hard time with all of the new (to me) information on the
>> Woodliefs. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:23 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>>
>> I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I
> show
>>
>> John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief
> seems
>> to
>> have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675
>> Will.......Mike
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
>> Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
>>
>>
>>> Deloris & Michael,
>>> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family
> and
>>
>>> their
>>> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II
>> married
>>> to
>>> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John
>> Woodliffe
>>> III,
>>> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress,
>> George
>>> m.
>>> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
>>> sheryl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Deloris,
>>>
>>> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for
>> 550
>>> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife,
> due
>> in
>>> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of
>> Charles
>>> City
>>> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
>>> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655)
> and
>>
>>> Mary
>>> Archard.
>>>
>>> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
>> (1614-1676)
>>> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
>>> against
>>> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
>>> Nathaniel
>>> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
>> Bacon's
>>> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil
>> 1655-1665.
>>> Was
>>> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
>> determined
>>> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>>>
>>> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
>> held
>>> a
>>> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had
> a
>>> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial
>> society
>>> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position,
> the
>>> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia
> officer
>>> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no
> record
>> of
>>> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in
> his
>>> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
>> lucrative
>>> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and
> senior
>>> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
>>> either....I
>>> can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis from
>> enjoying
>>> his
>>> just deserts.....Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655
>> (and
>>>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>>>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist
>> but
>>>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>>>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave
> a
>>>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would
>> have
>>>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>>>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>>>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only
> knew
>>>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
>> Colonel
>>>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
>> named
>>>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>>>> Poythress
>>>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>>>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>>>> Woodlief.
>>>> He was born 1614.
>>>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>>>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>>>
>>>> Family
>>>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born
>> about
>>>> 1622,
>>>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
>> widow
>>>> of
>>>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>>>> 1655-aft.
>>>> 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief; (2)
>> Thomas
>>>> Wynne
>>>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>>>> Jane
>>>> Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>>>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>>>> Jones
>>>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>>>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of
> William
>>>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>>>> Wynne
>>>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>>>> and
>>>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St.
>> George's
>>>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The
>> Will
>>>> is in
>>>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes
>> came
>>>> to
>>>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
>> County,
>>>> by
>>>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's
> Long
>>>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>>>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>>>> escort
>>>> back the official set of weights and measures which would measure
> the
>>>> business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then colonel, in
>> the
>>>>
>>>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>>>> England,
>>>> which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation, south of
>> the
>>>> James River, was named "Georges."
>>>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>>>> married
>>>> Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?) Poythress,
>> his
>>>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>>>> (1646-bef.
>>>> 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace
>> of
>>>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief
>> had
>>>> one
>>>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>>>> (1643-c.
>>>> 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress,
> daughter
>> of
>>>>
>>>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
>> of
>>>> the
>>>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one
> son,
>>>> George
>>>> Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt.
>> Woodlief's
>>>> son,
>>>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
>> Prince
>>>>
>>>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>>>> Westover
>>>> Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah, Joseph,
>>>> James,
>>>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
>> son
>>>> of
>>>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
>> 1701),
>>>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>>>> Merchants
>>>> Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one
> child,
>> a
>>>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>>>
>>>> Professional Life
>>>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>>>> County,
>>>> present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr. Anthony
>> Wyatt,
>>>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>>>> Charles
>>>> Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26 pounds
>> tobacco
>>>> per
>>>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on
>> every
>>>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows,
> viz:
>>>> (in a
>>>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill
>> (1610-1663)
>>>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>>>> brother or
>>>> step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married Elizabeth
> Menefie
>>>> (-bef.
>>>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649.
> David
>>>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John
> and
>>>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
>> Wynne
>>>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>>>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>>>> Horsmenden
>>>> and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and John
>> Haney;
>>>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major
> Richard
>>>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel
>> Thomas
>>>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>>>> Cawfield.
>>>> Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles City:
>> Theodorick
>>>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
>> Captain
>>>>
>>>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett
> (c.
>>>> 1642-1687).
>>>> In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>>> present
>>>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
>> Holmwood,
>>>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>>>> married
>>>> Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker
>> Netherland
>>>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>>>> 1618-aft.
>>>> 1675).
>>>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>>>> Edward
>>>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>>>> Captain
>>>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
>> now
>>>>
>>>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married
> to
>>>> John
>>>> Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of her
>> first
>>>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>>>> (1610-1663)
>>>> married Hannah Jordan.
>>>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain
> Robert
>>>> Wynne
>>>> and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them to
>>>> settle
>>>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>>>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on
> March
>>>> 23,
>>>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
>> years,
>>>> the
>>>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>>>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>>>> Burgesses
>>>> must have been during this period considerably changed by deaths and
>>>> seats
>>>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>>>> lists,
>>>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>>>> persons
>>>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>>>> December
>>>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>>>> Hamelyn
>>>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
>> Hamlin,
>>>> who
>>>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
>> and
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son
>> of
>>>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>>>> Kent.
>>>> In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles City:
>>>> Captain
>>>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>>>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>>> present
>>>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>>>> John
>>>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
>> Poythress.
>>>>
>>>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>>>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>>>> (bef.
>>>> 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678)
>>>> was
>>>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>>>> Poythress(2)
>>>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John
> Drayton
>>>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>>>> (1637-1700)
>>>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
> present
>>>> were
>>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
>> Captain
>>>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>>>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
>> Abstract.
>>>> Long
>>>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes
> to
>>>> lease
>>>> new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed from
>>>> Westover
>>>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on
> the
>>>> north
>>>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted
>> November
>>>> 28,
>>>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
>> Sr.,
>>>>
>>>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>>>> Clarke,
>>>> James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary
> Kent.
>>>> Thomas
>>>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>>>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
>> present
>>>> were
>>>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne,
> Major
>>>> Edward
>>>> Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain Nicholas
>> Wyatt,
>>>> Mr.
>>>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol,
> present
>>>> were
>>>> Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>>>> Southcott,
>>>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>>>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
>> ordered
>>>> that
>>>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>>>> command of
>>>> five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians. Chicheley
>> was
>>>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
>> began.
>>>> In
>>>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
>> slain
>>>> by
>>>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting
> a
>>>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men
>> and
>>>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of
>> his
>>>> men
>>>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a
>> party
>>>> of
>>>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
>> the
>>>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>>>> arrested
>>>> but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a gentleman.
>>>> However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every
> encounter,
>>>> the
>>>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>>>> location
>>>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to
> be
>>>> safe
>>>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set
>> fire
>>>> to
>>>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship
>> on
>>>> the
>>>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>>>> Point
>>>> where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He planned
> to
>>>> fight
>>>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted
>> upon
>>>> the
>>>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
>> open
>>>>
>>>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide
> the
>>>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>>>> arrived
>>>> support from England, began to capture the leaders of the rebellion
>> and
>>>> hanged many of them.
>>>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
>> Edward
>>>>
>>>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>>>> Captain
>>>> Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the 12th, 13th
>> and
>>>>
>>>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>>>> examined
>>>> various persons in regard to a certain petition that had been
>> presented
>>>> to
>>>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>>>> Bisse,
>>>> Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined various
>>>> persons
>>>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
>> Governor
>>>> and
>>>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>>>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This
>> petition
>>>> may
>>>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
>> Frances
>>>> was
>>>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish,
> in
>>>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against
>> a
>>>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation,
>> as
>>>> Allen
>>>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's
>> rebellion.
>>>> Among
>>>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>>>> Pace.
>>>> The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the father of
>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
>> son
>>>> of
>>>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
>> husband
>>>> of
>>>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances
>> Ward.
>>>> John
>>>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
>> married
>>>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>>>> Wynne.
>>>>
>>>> Civic Activities
>>>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain
> John
>>>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
>> difference
>>>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>>>> deceased,
>>>> and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the next
>> court.
>>>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman
> says
>>>> "The
>>>> maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is known
>> only
>>>> from
>>>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
>> January,
>>>>
>>>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>>>> John
>>>> Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
>> overseers
>>>> of
>>>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
>> 20
>>>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes
>> from
>>>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>>>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>>>> father of
>>>> John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne (1655-aft.
> 1707),
>>>> daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress. John Sloman (-c.
>> 1658)
>>>>
>>>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs.
>> Mary
>>>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>>>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
>> and
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>>>
>>>> As Witness
>>>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>>>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
>> thirteen
>>>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
>> Crane
>>>> and
>>>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>>>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of
> Merchant's
>>>> Hope,
>>>> in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of Chaplins'
>>>> Choice, in
>>>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated
>> September
>>>> 1,
>>>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants,
> crops,
>>>> etc."
>>>> The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of Anthony
>> Wyatt's
>>>>
>>>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>>>> married
>>>> Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658) married
>>>> Mrs.
>>>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>>>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>>>> Captain
>>>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn,
> said
>>>> that
>>>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr.
>> Anthony
>>>> Wyatt
>>>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were
> with
>>>> one of
>>>> the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if they
>> were
>>>> to
>>>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two
> hammocks
>> of
>>>> him
>>>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive
>> the
>>>> pay
>>>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>>>> hammocks
>>>> aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side and called
>>>> very
>>>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory
>> [to
>>>> go
>>>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to
> Mr.
>>>> Wyatt's
>>>> directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and
> further
>>>> saith
>>>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>>>> (1635-1678)
>>>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
>> Mallory
>>>> (-1719).
>>>>
>>>> Family Estates
>>>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt
>> appraised
>>>> the
>>>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>>>> Peebles'
>>>> daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of Captain
>>>> Francis
>>>> Poythress.
>>>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Francis
>>>>
>>>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne
>> to
>>>> 450
>>>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis
> Poythress,
>>>> Thomas
>>>> Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock,
> Ellinor
>>>> Towle
>>>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>>>> Thomas
>>>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>>>
>>>> Robert Wynne's Will
>>>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in
>> Virginia,
>>>> Gentleman.
>>>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
>> conveniently
>>>> it
>>>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
>> for
>>>>
>>>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>>>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish,
>> in
>>>> Kent,
>>>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
>> with
>>>> all
>>>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and
>> they
>>>> were
>>>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>>>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy
>> no
>>>> part
>>>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
>> profits
>>>>
>>>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
>> administrator
>>>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
>> Thomas,
>>>> die
>>>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and
>> pleasure
>>>> is my
>>>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>>>> please
>>>> God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that then it
>>>> shall
>>>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
>> God
>>>>
>>>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
>> fit
>>>> by
>>>> my administratrix.
>>>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>>>> Mildred's
>>>> parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to be held at
>> the
>>>> age
>>>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default
>> of
>>>> heirs
>>>> to descend as that doth.
>>>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>>>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
>> Georges
>>>> in
>>>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>>>> further I
>>>> will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the same
> lane
>>>> over
>>>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>>>> formerly
>>>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21
>> years
>>>> and
>>>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his
> body
>>>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before
>> he
>>>> come
>>>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>>>> brother,
>>>> Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if she
>> failed
>>>> then
>>>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>>>> parish
>>>> of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam
> requisite
>> it
>>>>
>>>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as
> it
>>>> shall
>>>> please God to call me to his mercy.
>>>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
>> formerly
>>>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>>>> provision
>>>> and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already possessed of and
>> one
>>>> good
>>>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise
> two
>>>> guns
>>>> he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>>>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
>> tobacco
>>>>
>>>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
>> him
>>>> and
>>>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
>> to
>>>> his
>>>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
>> and
>>>>
>>>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession
>> with a
>>>>
>>>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>>>> guns.
>>>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to serve the
>>>> next
>>>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>>>> oats to
>>>> buy one.
>>>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly
>> foal
>>>> of
>>>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in
> Virginia
>> as
>>>>
>>>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age
> I
>>>> give
>>>> and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife, Mary
>>>> Wynne,
>>>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will
> and
>>>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends,
> Thomas
>>>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>>>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I
> give
>>>> twenty
>>>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness
>> to
>>>> every
>>>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my
>> hand
>>>> and
>>>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were
> Thomas
>>>> Brome,
>>>> John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3, 1675.
>> This
>>>> Will
>>>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>>>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
>> therein
>>>>
>>>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>>>> Minge,
>>>> Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde and
>> John
>>>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>>>> 1716).
>>>> Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718), daughter
> of
>>>> John
>>>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
>> Wynne
>>>>
>>>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter
> Jones
>>>> and
>>>> Margaret Cruse.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>>>> Wynne's
>>>> executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
>>>>
>>>>
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John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th Generation
Michael Tutor
Although I have not posted the two John Poythresses from the third
generation, I am posting the John Poythress, of the fourth generation, who
was the son of the John Poythress of the 1724 Will. He, Charles and Francis
Poythress were involved in a deed of land amongst themselves in 1738.
John Poythress evidently did not leave any descendants. He left an
inheritance to his sister, Elizabeth Poythress Cocke, and possibly to his
first cousin, Thomas Poythress (1729-1790s?), who lived on adjoining
property. Thomas later sold this land.
The Fourth Generation: John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County
R. Bolling Batte on John Poythress
[74 i. John Poythress was born BEF 1724 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCA].]
Family
John Poythress was born about 1711, the son of John Poythress and Mary
(Hardyman?). He died before June, 1760. Jeremiah White was the administrator
of his Will.
Inheritance
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I now live,
containing 100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called
Colebrooks, taking in the Ivey point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring
Bottom to William Stainbacks corner poplar, and also I give my said son,
John Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side
of the main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and
William Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also
giving them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land,
if they shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the
world before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all of the above said lands as is mentioned, and
to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, a tract or parcel of land
lying at and about the place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son,
John Poythress', and brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep
Bottom, taking in the whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should
please God to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21
years, or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and
pleasure is that my son, William Poythress, should possess all of the above
said land mentioned, and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract or
parcel of land, containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so
running a south course over the horn branch, and so binding upon John Young's,
Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my
two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, one tract or parcel of
land, containing 150 acres, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas
Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and
if it should please God to take him out of the world before he arrives to
the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my
will and pleasure is that my son, John Poythress, should possess the above
mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my, son John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all of my stock
of hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall
give hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about twenty or
thirty of them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed
of as will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in
the woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain until my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors, of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses were Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at 209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.
The land called Powell's, 150 acres, that was left to William Poythress was
bought by his father, John Poythress, on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son, John
Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress on October 23, 1703.
Professional life
On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit brought by William
Laws, Jr., against John Poythress for 39 shillings current money due by
account to which the plaintiff made oaths the defendant being summoned and
called and not appearing by the plaintiff's motion that he recover against
the defendant the aforesaid sum Als: Exco. On November, 1738, in Prince
George County, in the suit brought by William Laws, Jr., against John
Poythress for 39 shillings current money due by account to which the
plaintiff made oaths the defendant being summoned and called and not
appearing by the plaintiff's motion that he recover against the defendant
the aforesaid sum Als: Exco.
On December 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Liddordale, Gentleman,
exhibited into court an account against John Poythress for 46 shillings 6
pence and made Oath, that the said sum is justly due him from the said John
Poythress, without any discounts that he knows of. It was ordered that it be
certified on the said accounts.
On December 12, 1738, in the suit by petition brought by William Stark
against John Poythress for 95 shillings and 6 pence, half penny current
money due by accounts to which the plaintiff makes oaths, the defendant
being summoned and called and not appearing, on the plaintiff's motion it
was considered by the court that he recover against the defendant aforesaid
sums and costs Als: Exeo.
On January 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit brought by
petition by John Liddordale against John Poythress for 46 shillings 5 pence
current money due by accounts to which the plaintiff has made oath the
defendant being summoned and called and not appearing on motion of the
plaintiff's attorney it was considered that the said plaintiff recovers
against the defendant the aforesaid sum of and costs 5 shillings and 6 pence
for attorney's fee Als: Exor.
On January 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition
brought by Richard Taylor against John Poythress on the motions of the
plaintiff's attorney was continued until the next court.
On February 13, 1739, in Prince George County, on the Fieri Facias awarded
Joshua Pritchett, Jr., and John Gilliam, executors of Thomas Nunelly,
deceased, on their judgements obtained against John Poythress, William
Eppes, Sheriff, of this county, made the above return which was correct.
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition brought
by Richard Taylor against John Poythress for 27 shillings 7 pence 3
farthings current money due by accounts to which the plaintiff makes oath
the defendant being summoned and called and not appearing on the plaintiff's
motion it was ordered that the defendant pay him the aforesaid sum and costs
Als: Exeo.
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass upon
the case brought by Thomas Jones against John Poythress the plaintiff
failing to prosecute is dismissed.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition brought by
Miles Thweatt against John Poythress for £3, 9 shillings, 5 pence current
money due by accounts to which the plaintiff made oath the defendants being
summoned and called and not appearing on the plaintiff's motion it was
considered by the court that he recover against the defendant the aforesaid
sum and costs Als: Exeo.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debt brought by
Isham Eppes against John Poythress for £17, 10 shillings current money, due
by Bills the defendant comes into court being ruled to Special Bail and
failing on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney it was ordered that he be
taken into the Custody of the Sheriff, and safely kept until he shall give
such Bail whereupon the said defendant appeared in the Custody of the
Sheriff, and on the motion of his attorney an Imparlance was granted him
until the next court.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debt brought by
George Gordon against John Poythress for £17, 5 shillings, 7 pence farthing
current money, due by Bills the defendant comes into court being ruled to
Special Bail and failing on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney it was
ordered that he be taken into the custody of the Sheriff, and safely kept
until he shall give such Bail whereupon the said defendant appeared in the
custody of the Sheriff, and on the motion of his attorney an Imparlance was
granted him until the next court.
On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debt brought by
Isham Eppes against John Poythress for 17 pounds 10 shillings current money
due by bills and the defendants having had time given him till this court to
plead and being now called and not appearing did not offer anything in Barr
or Preclusion of the plaintiff's attorney it was considered by the court
that the plaintiff recover against the defendant the sum aforesaid or so
much thereof as shall appear to be due unless the defendant shall appear at
the next court and answer the said action.
On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in the case of George Gordon
versus John Poythress for debt, the court found for the plaintiff.
On August 14, 1739, in Prince George County, the suit of George Gordon
versus John Poythress was dismissed.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit brought by John
Poythress against Edward Seaye(?) the plaintiff failing to prosecute, the
case was dismissed.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action in the case
brought by George Gordon against John Poythress, the plaintiff failing to
prosecute, was dismissed.
August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought by
Isham Eppes against John Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, was
dismissed.
On November 13, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition
brought by George Robertson, Clerk, against John Poythress for £1, 14
shillings current money due by Bill dated August 16, 1739, the defendant
being summoned in the manner the law directs, and called and not appearing
on the plaintiff's motion and his making oath to the said Bill it was
considered by the court that he recover against the defendant the aforesaid
sum and costs Als: Exeo. On December, 1739, in Prince George County, in the
suit by petition brought by George Robertson, Clerk, against John Poythress
for one pound 14 shillings current money due by Bill dated August 16, 1739,
the defendant being summoned in the manner the law directs, and called and
not appearing on the plaintiff's motion and his making oath to the said Bill
it was considered by the court that he recover against the defendant the
aforesaid sum and costs Als: Exeo.
Civic Activities
In 1732, Brunswick County was cut off the southern portion of Prince George
in the area south of Nottaway River. The first pages of a number of its
early record books were damaged by time. By 1732, the population had so
increased that the Council decided to allow Brunswick to set up its own
magisterial system and stand on its own. Pursuant to an Act of the Assembly,
a courthouse was built in Brunswick County and a magistrate was named. It
was also ordered that a Commission of the Peace be prepared for the County,
and that Henry Fox, Henry Embry, John Wall and William Machlin, Gentlemen,
be appointed Justices for the County. The St. Andrew's parish Vestry book,
kept in the County Clerk's Office, began with an entry in July, 1732. A
vestry was the elected administrative body of an Episcopal church. The first
recorded vestry consisted of Henry Embry and John Wall as Churchwardens.
They were all paid 1,000 pounds of tobacco for their services.
On June 7, 1733, in Brunswick County, Henry Cook was appointed Surveyor of a
road from Captain Poythress' plantation on Fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's
ford over the Meherrin River and [missing] all the male laboring tithes
between the Cane branch and the Great Swamp and that James Parham, John
Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas Busby, Thomas Burnett and Francis Steed assist
in clearing the same.
On November 14, 1738, in Prince George County, on the motion of Samuel
Jordan, he was permitted to clear the old road from Amelia County line down
by Poythress' plantation to the Butterwood Road. November 14, 1738, William
Harrison and John Poythress, Gentlemen, were appointed to agree with the
workmen to rebuild Powell's Creek Bridge.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the case of John Cox versus
Henry Fitz for debt, a jury was empaneled as follows: Robert Poythress, John
Poythress, Charles Poythress, among others, who found for the plaintiff.
On August 20, 1739, at a Vestry held at the Brick Church on Wells's Hill,
present, among others, was Major William Poythress and Captain Francis
Poythress. It was ordered that Robert Wynne and Joshua Wynne procession from
Monkersneck to Stoney Creek between Monkersneck and the Chapel Road, that
John Poythress and Thomas Twittey procession between Butterwood and Nottoway
River as low as the head of Beaver-pond Creek.
On Monday, August 25, 1760, in the Brunswick County court, it was ordered
that John Peterson, George Wyche, Thomas Morris and John Liefsay, or any
three of them, being first sworn do view the conveniency and inconveniency
that may attempt turning the River Road beginning at Smith's old Fields or
thereabouts and running from thence into Poythress' road near the Great
Swamp bridge and make a report thereof to the court.
Court Cases
On February 12, 1740, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass
upon the case brought by Miles Thweatt against John Poythress the defendant
by his attorney appeared and on his motion an Imparlance was granted him
until the next court.
Property: Land
On March 17, 1737, John Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 325 acres, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of the Maherrin River and on the north
side of Fountain's Creek, by the side of the Great Swamp, by the side of the
Cane Branch, adjoining William Duglass, Samuel Clark and John Poythress'
other land. This is the same property bought by his father, John Poythress
(c. 1681-1724) on September 5, 1723, and sold by Thomas Poythress to John
Dawson on July 6, 1773.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Poythress acknowledged
his deed for land, sealed to Charles Poythress on whose motion it was
ordered that the said deed be recorded.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Charles
Poythress acknowledged their deed for land, indented and sealed, to Francis
Poythress, Gentleman, on whose motion it was ordered that the said deed be
recorded.
On September 20, 1745, John Poythress, Jr., was granted 844 acres, in Prince
George County, on the north side of Tomahitton Swamp, 250 acres part of
grant to John Mitchell by patent dated February 9, 1738, and 594 acres the
residue never before granted, adjoining John Mitchel, to the Mouth of the
Spring Branch, adjoining Thomas Poythress. John Poythress, Jr., son of John
Poythress, and nephew of Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749), had property that
bounded his uncle Thomas Poythress.
Adjoining Property
On September 28, 1732, Joshua Clark, of Isle of Wight County, was granted 50
acres of new land, in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
Maherrin River, on the north side of the Cane Branch, adjoining John
Poythress, Samuel Clark, Joshua Clark, by his own old line.
On February 9, 1738, John Michell, was granted 250 acres, in Prince George
County, on the north side of Tommahitton, adjoining John Poythress, at the
Beaverponds.
In 1741, George Wainwright, of Prince George County, owned property adjacent
to property owned by John Poythress and Cleaton.
On August 28, 1746, Abner Grigg, for £1/10/0, 300 acres, in Prince George
County, on the lower side of the old field Branch of Butterwood Swamp,
adjoining Poythress, Coleman, John Bain and Fitzgerald.
On August 20, 1747, Robert Ferguson, was granted 840 acres, in Prince George
County, on the upper side of the Oldfield Branch of Butterwood Swamp, in a
Valley; adjoining Coleman, Woodlief, Mills, Poythress, Fitzgerald and Anne
Andrews, 400 acres part formerly granted Ferguhard, grant by patent March
15, 1745, and by him sold and conveyed unto Robert Ferguson and 440 acres
the residue never before granted.
On July 25, 1749, Lenire Brewer, 150 acres, in Brunswick County, on the
Beaver Pond Creek, at a Pond, and the County Line [East], adjoining John
Poythress.
On September 5, 1749, to Buffington Joseph Darvill, 1,090 acres, in Prince
George County, between the head branches of Beaverpond Creek and Butterwood
Swamp on both sides of the Road, adjoining Johnson, Glover, John Poythress,
Wainright, Cleaton, Whitmore and Elder.
On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince George
County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part thereof
being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent bearing
date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton and
Penniston.
As Witness
On September 13, 1739, in Amelia County, Joshua Glass, of Prince George
County, to Walter Childs, 200 acres. The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
Poythress and Charles Anderson.
On June 19, 1760, Matthew Ornsby, of Amelia County, sold to William
Glascock, of Dinwiddie County, 400 acres, in Amelia County, on both sides of
the Butterwood Creek and bounded by John Lewis, Haynes, North Branch, George
Lewis, Steger and Hood. The witnesses were Francis Poythress, John
Poythress, James Hinton, John Hightower, Jr., and Edmund Poythress.
After John Poythress' Death
In June, 1760, in Brunswick County, the inventory of John Poythress, Jr., of
Brunswick County, from the original in the office of the clerk in
Lawrenceville. An inventory and appraisement of John Portess, Jr.
To 3 shirts, and 3 caps 1"17"0
To Sunday clothes 0" 0"0
To 1 pair of show buckles and ring 1" 0"0
To Taylor, tools and handkerchiefs 0"10"0
To 1 shoes and hat 0"10"0
To 1 great coat and Jack coat 0"10"0
To 1 saddle and bridle 0"13"0
To 1 horse 3"10"0
To 1 case razors 0" 1"0
To 1 pair gloves and bags 0" 3"9
--------------
11"11"9
Excepted: Thomas Morris, Richard Blanks and Jirgens Blanks. The inventory
was returned to the Brunswick County court, June, 1760, and ordered to be
recorded. In the Brunswick County court, an undated entry, it was ordered
that Ingram Blanks, Thomas Morris and Richard Blank being first sworn before
a Justice of this county do appraise in current money the slaves, if any,
and the personal estate of John Portis, deceased and ____ the appraisement
of the court.
In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, the charges were denominated in pounds of
tobacco, for which it was likely warehouse receipts were used to pay the
bill. Jeremiah White, March, 1763, Ser for John Poythress' Will, copy.
Jeremiah White, administrator, &c., of John Poythress, deceased, April,
1763, attorney ads Isham Eppes' executor, plea. Francis Eppes, executor of
Isham Eppes, deceased, April, 1763, Capias versus J. Poythress'
administrator, docketing, attorney, declaration, plea, report, continuance.
12/18/2005 9:19:05
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12/19/2005 9:53:52
Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Michael Tutor
Thanks. With projects of this size, it is easy to overlook inconsistencies and incur typographical mistakes. If we, as a group, can comb through everything, we will hopefully have a good foundation from which to work.
I show:
(I) John Woodlief (c. 1584-c. 1637) m. Mary Archard
(II) John Woodlief (c. 1614-1676)
(III) John Woodlief (c. 1643-c. 1716) m. Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft. 1707), dau. of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress Wynne
brothers: Edward Woodlief m. Sarah Pollard; and, George Woodlief m.
Elizabeth Wallace
(IV) John Woodlief (c. 1673-aft. 1741) m. Mary Poythress (c. 1678-), dau. of John Poythress and Christian Peebles
brothers: Joshua Woodlief; and, George Woodlief m. Norah Epes
Hopefully, this will correct the inconsistency.
I believe your research will be very helpful when I post the third and fourth generations of the many Francis Poythresses........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: EDZIMM@aol.com
To: badbichon@earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne
Mike: First your present during this season is certainly all the work you have done on this Poythress family...thank you.
Second: Discussion on Wynne-Poythress- Woodlief from your postDate: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 - has these inconsistencies which I think is the confusion - at least to me: Or is this a typo mistake?
Did John Woodlief (1643-1716) marry Mary Wynne dau of Robert Wynne and Mary Sloman Poythress OR Mary Poythress dau. of John Poythress (1639-1712)? How many John Woodliefs do you have with dates of b/d 1643 - 1716?
Many thanks again: Mary Jean
Below from your post:
1) Mary Wynne (c. 1655-aft. 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief. Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716), married Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?)
Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief (1646-bef. 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace of Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had one child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
according to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress, daughter of John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child of the
first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son, George Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes.
12/19/2005 12:23:04
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
Michael, I guess the bottom line is that Joshua Wynne was married twice.
There is a record of a pre nuptial agreement. His son, Peter Wynne, did
not marry Frances Anderson--this has been agreed upon by several serious
Wynne researchers, etc., etc. I also see some conflicting information
re Joshua's life,including his children in your documentation but I'll
have to wait until after the Christmas Holidays to address it. I am
curious as to where you got all of the extensive information you have on
Joshua Wynne. Some of it is brand new to me and I have been researching
his family for close to 50 years. My information was not obtained
through the computer. The computer is a wonderful way to make contact
with fellow researchers but so much is being printed and novice
researchers are copying it for the truth. How will it ever be rectified
and/or corrected? I really do appreciate your sharing your Poythress
information as I have never seriously researched that family other than
a determined effort to find out when Francis Poythress, husband of Mary,
actually died and am I correct in assuming it was after 1651, based on
the information that you have? I have not yet addressed your data on
Thomas Wynne who is actually my direct line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:58 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Deloris,
I am not sure what you are saying here. Would you make it absolutely
clear
to me? I would appreciate it......Thank you, Mike
SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
documentation. Deloris
From R. Bolling Batte:
7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
County,
Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of Peter Jones
and
Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
+ 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
+ 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
28 v. Frances Wynne.
29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
+ 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.
24. Peter Wynne (Joshua Wynne2, Mary ______1) died ABT 1738 in Prince
George
County, VA. He married Frances Anderson. She died 1725.
Child of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson is:
81 i. Peter Wynne.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
(c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
(1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675 in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died 1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called "Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County, Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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Captain Joshua Poythress, Mariner, of Flowerdew Hundred
Michael Tutor
The Fourth Generation: Joshua Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, son of Joshua
Poythress (I)
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress
[211 Joshua Poythress m. Mary Short, daughter of William and Mary ( ) Short
of Surry County. William Short's 1757 will mentions his daughter Mary
Poythress, her husband, Joshua Poythress, and three of their children.
Joshua Poythress was captain of a packet ship that plied between London,
Glasgow and Petersburg. He left a will, now lost, but referred to in a 1790
deed from his son William to Peachy. (See William 211 2).
211 3 Elizabeth Poythress m. 1775 in Middlesex Co. Simon Fraser, a recent
immigrant from Scotland to Petersburg where he was engaged as a merchant. It
is conjectured that the marriage took place in Middlesex County because she
had been at that time living with her aunt Elizabeth Poythress 215, then the
wife of James Mills of that county. James Mills and her brothers Joshua and
William were sureties on the bond. After their marriage the couple settled
in Petersburg. Simon Fraser died there 28 Oct 1792 and was buried in
Blandford. Elizabeth was still living in 1795 when she was named in the will
of the same aunt who, by that time, was the wife of Thomas Griffin Peachy.
It is likely that Elizabeth was buried in Blandford but there is no record
to establish that fact. The earliest record of Blandford interments now
available begin in 1842.
211 4 Susan Ann Poythress (1766 - 1799), m. 1788 in Pr. Geo. David Maitland
(1759 - 1838), a native of Barcaple, Scotland, and son of David and Mary
(Currie) Maitland of that place. David and Susan had two daughters born in
Petersburg; Mary Currie in 1790 and Elizabeth Agnes in 1793. Tombs may be
seen in Blandford churchyard today for Susan Ann, who died in Petersburg on
9 Feb 1799, and for her daughter Mary Currie Maitland, who died there in
1795. Afterward, David Maitland returned to Scotland to live, taking with
him their daughter, Elizabeth Agnes. He died in Barcaple 18 May 1838.
Elizabeth Agnes was still living there, unmarried, in 1865.]
[38. Joshua Poythress (Joshua Poythress3, John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was
born 1720 in VA [(P_1) BAA], and died BEF 1782 in Prince George Co. VA. He
married Mary Short in Surry County, Virginia, daughter of William Short and
Mary ______. She was born in VA [(P_1) BAA (W)], and died FEB 1788 in Prince
George County, VA.
Children of Joshua Poythress and Mary Short are:
+ 104 i. Joshua Poythress was born 1751 in VA [(P_1) BAA A] [Spouse is 2nd
cousin]], and died ABT 1787 in "Flowerdew Hundred" Prince George County, VA.
+ 105 ii. Elizabeth Poythress was born ABT 1755 in VA [(P_1) BAA C][142 AAB
C].
+ 106 iii. William Poythress was born BEF 1765 in VA [(P_1) BAA B], and died
ABT 1794.
+ 107 iv. Susan Ann Poythress was born 1766 in VA [(P_1) BAA D], and died
1799 in Blandford, Virginia.]
Family
Joshua Poythress was born about 1720, in Prince George County, the son of
Joshua Poythress and (Hardyman). He married Mary Short, the daughter of
William and Mary Short, by 1750. Their children were (1) Joshua (c.
1751-1794), who married Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of Archibald Robertson
and Elizabeth Fitzgerald; (2) William (c. 1753-10/15/1794), who married Mary
Gilliam, the daughter of John Gilliam and Jane Henry; (3) Elizabeth (c.
1755-aft. 1795), who married Simon Fraser; and (4) Susanna (c.
1766-2/9/1799), who married David Maitland, the son of David Maitland and
Mary Currie. Joshua was dead by 1782.
Daughter, Susanna Poythress
On October 25, 1786, in Prince George County, David Maitland married Susanna
Poythress.
Inheritance
On April 8, 1741, the Will of Joshua's father, Joshua Poythress, of
Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua (I)
appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends and
relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to divide the
estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin, Thomas
Poythress to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs. Elizabeth
Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave them his
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided between
them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons, Joshua
and William to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his estate
was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament of
Joshua Poythress (I), deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress
and Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
proved by the oath of Richard Bland, gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with Richard
Bland and William Poythress, gentlemen, their Securities entered into Bond
in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with condition
for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in court.
It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of the
last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said deed
and its estate to the next court.
Professional Life
On April 24, 1759, in Sussex County, Benjamin Tomlinson, to Brother
Tomlinson all the crop on the land of Mr. Joshua Poythress where I am
overseer. (and miscellaneous other behests).
On June 6, 1771, in the Virginia Gazette, "the subscribers have missing two
casks marked WR, No. 1 and 2, containing Shot and Bar Lead, imported last
fall in the Bland, Captain Hugh Wylie. Whoever has such casks in possession,
and will send a line to us, the charges will be paid, and the favor
acknowledged. Boyd and Poythress." Walter Boyd (-1770) married Elizabeth
Poythress (1725-1795), daughter of Joshua Poythress (c. 1687-1740). Joshua
Poythress (1720-1782) married Mary Short (-1788) daughter of William and
Mary Short.
On August 12, 1773, in the Virginia Gazette, "Blandford, August 5, 1773. As
the partnership of Boyd and Poythress expires the first of September next,
it is requested that those indebted to that concern will be speedy in
discharging their balances. Those that are not in a capacity of so doing
will please to come and settle their balance by Bond, or other specialty,
before next October General Court, it being necessary the books should then
be closed -- The goods on hand will be sold altogether, or in parcels, at a
low advance."
On March 7, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, Joshua Poythress, Sr., advertised
at Flower de Hundred, taken up "a small bay mare." Owner may have her by
paying the expense of this advertisement.
On January 9, 1787, in Prince George County, the estate of Robert Boyd,
deceased, in account with Charles Duncan, executor, 1779 through 1786.
Mentions, among many others, Peachy, Poythress, Bates and Co., Joshua
Poythress, Peter Poythress.
On August 7, 1779, in the Virginia Gazette, "Blandford, July 14, 1779, the
partnership of Peachey, Poythress, Bate, and company, being this day
dissolved, I request the debtors and creditors to the said company, to apply
immediately for a settlement of their accounts. Richard Bate."
On October 30, 1779, in the Virginia Gazette, "to be sold to the highest
bidder, for ready money, or short credit, on Thursday the 23rd of November
next, on the premises. That valuable tract of land adjoining the town of
Blandford, formerly the property of Sir Peyton Skipwith, containing 125
acres. Richard Bate, for Peachy, Poythress, Bate, and Company. The partners
of said company, are hereby informed that the 24th day of November next is
appointed for a final settlement of said company's accounts. R. Bate."
Civic Activities
On July 9, 1754, in the Virginia Gazette, "There is at the Subscriber's
Plantation, at Flower-de-Hundred, Prince-George County, a dapple-grey horse,
about 4 feet 6 inches high, and branded on the buttock IL. The owner may
have him of me, on paying as the law directs. Joshua Poythress."
On November 30, 1759, in the Virginia Gazette, to be sold to the highest
bidders, for ready money or part credit, on Friday the 14th of December
next, at the Plantation of Edward Munford, deceased, in Dinwiddie County,
ten or 12 valuable Virginia born slaves, chiefly fellows, one of them is an
extraordinary good carpenter, about 25 years old. ---Likewise some household
furniture, being part of the estate of Edward Munford, deceased. Joshua
Poythress, George Turnbull, Administrators.
On October 17, 1766, in the Virginia Gazette, George Noble and Joshua
Poythress, administrators of the estate of Joseph Wilkins, advertised rental
of Wilkins' plantation and ferry. On September 24, 1767, in the Virginia
Gazette, George Noble and Joshua Poythress, administrators of the estate of
Joseph Wilkins, again offering Wilkins' plantation and ferry for rent.
On September 17, 1771, in the Virginia Gazette, "it is requested, for the
last time, that those who have demands against the estate of the late Mr.
Walter Boyd will immediately send them to Joshua Poythress in Blandford,
that provision may be made for payment; and it is hoped those that are
indebted to the said estate will make immediate payment, that we may be the
better enabled to discharge the debts."
On July 30, 1772, in the Virginia Gazette, "Prince George County, July 29,
1772, Wilkin's Ferry and Plantation, on James River, will be rented to the
highest bidder, on Friday the 14th of August, for a year, or a term of
years, as can be agreed upon, and may be entered upon the 1st of January
next. The Plantation is in good order for cropping, and under a good fence.
The Ferry is commonly worth between thirty and forty Pounds per annum. Bond
and good Security will be required by George Noble, Joseph Poythress,
administrators."
On August 30, 1776, in the Virginia Gazette, "August 24, 1776. On Friday the
27th of September will be rented at Wilkin's ferry, to the highest bidder,
the ferry and plantation belonging to the estate of Joseph Wilkins, for one
year, for which bond and security will be required by George Noble and
Joshua Poythress, administrators."
On July 28, 1779, in Prince George County, cash paid to Peachy, Poythress,
Bates and Company, 3,112 pounds 19 shillings to repay them said sum borrowed
by William Boyd to pay John Nicholas for land to pay Robert Turnbo, etc.
(numerous others totaling £3,112/19/0.
In the Virginia Gazette, on August 7, 1779, "Blandford, July 14, 1779. The
partnership of Peachey, Poythress, Bate, and company, being this day
dissolved, I request the debtors and creditors to the said company, to apply
immediately for a settlement of their accounts. Richard Bate."
On November 13, 1778, in the Virginia Gazette, "to be let to the highest
bidder, for one year, on Saturday the 28th instant (November), the much
frequented Ferry and Ordinary on James River known by the name of Wilkin's
with 138 acres of good land belonging thereto. Bond, with approved Security,
will be expected of the bidder who rents it. George Noble, Joseph Poythress.
Court Cases
On November 3, 1749, in Chesterfield County, Joshua Poythress versus John
Fenning was continued.
On June 2, 1750, in the Chesterfield County court, Joshua Poythress,
plaintiff, against John Fannin, defendant, in case. This day came the
parties by their attorneys and thereupon came also a jury. The jury said the
defendant was guilty as to the £3/13/3 part of the debt mentioned in the
declaration, and no more, and assessed the damages due to the debt, to be
£3/13/3. The defendant, by his attorney, moved that the plaintiff might be
non-suited, but plaintiff proved that the defendant, though often requested,
always refused to settle accounts with him. The court ruled that the
plaintiff recover against defendant £3/13/3 + costs.
In March, 1755, in Sussex County, Joshua Poythress versus David Jackson. The
defendant not being arrested on the motion of the plaintiff by his attorney
an alias Capias was awarded against returnable here, &c.
On May 28, 1762, in Sussex County, administration of the account of the
estate of William Tomlinson, deceased, by James Tomlinson and Thomas
Tomlinson, executors, showed payments to, among many others, Joshua
Poythress.
Property: Personal Property and Land
On September 27, 1750, in Brunswick County, Joshua Poythress, of Prince
George County, purchased slaves from Matthias Davis, of Brunswick County,
for £35, 13 shillings and 2 pence, one negro woman slave, named Judy, and
her child, also one negro boy, named Dick. The witnesses were J. Wall, Jr.,
and John Taylor Duke. In court, the deed was proved by the oath of John
Wall, Jr. John Wall, Jr., (1708-) was the husband of Ann Poythress, the
daughter of Joshua Poythress and daughter (Hardyman).
On November 4, 1763, in The Virginia Gazette, an advertisement for a runaway
slave, "whoever brings the said runaway to me, at Flower-de-Hundred, shall
have £3 reward, if found in Virginia; if in North Carolina, £5, and, if in
South Carolina, £15. Any person who harbors him may depend upon being
prosecuted to the utmost rigor of the law. Joshua Poythress."
On March 7, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow." Joshua Poythress, Sr., (1720-1782) had
a son, William Poythress (1753-1794) who married Mary Gilliam.
On June 6, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow."
On May 19, 1763, in Sussex County, Joshua Poythress and wife, Mary
Poythress, of Prince George County, to Abraham Parham, 20 acres, in
Albemarle parish, in Sussex County, on the north side of Monks Neck Creek
and bounded by the Gum Swamp on John Leeth's line and Abraham Parham. The
witnesses were Richard Hackel, John Raines and John Chambliss, Jr.
On November 26, 1763, in Sussex County, Joshua Poythress and wife, Mary
Poythress, to William Wilkerson and his wife, Elizabeth Wilkerson, John
Adams and his wife, Mary Adams (said Elizabeth and Mary were sisters and
coheirs of John Ricks, deceased, late of Sussex County), 595 acres, on
Monkoneck Creek (less the land deeded to Abraham Parham, in 1763) and
bounded by Abraham Parham, Charles Leath, Sr., Sir William Skipwith and the
county line. The witnesses were William Gilliam, Francis Harman, John
Poythress, Jr., and William Hamlin.
In 1782, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Mary Poythress, on
(293 + 200 + 70 + 18 =) 581 acres.
In 1783, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Mary Poythress, on
(293 + 200 =) 493 acres; less 88 acres from 1782.
On October 11, 1784, in Sussex County, Benjamin Hunnicut, Mary Hunnicutt,
and Dorothy Hunt, all, of Albemarle parish, in Sussex County, to Mary
Poythress, of Bristol parish, in Prince George County, 177 acres, adjoining
Thomas Hunt, William Cain, the road, Raine and Lewis. The witnesses, Thomas
Hunt, James Lewis and John Hall. On June 16, 1785, in Sussex County, an
order, George Booth, George Rives, and Green Hill, of Sussex County, were
appointed a commission to examine Mary, wife of Benjamin Hunnicutt, and
Dorothy, wife of Thomas Hunt, of Sussex County. They had sold 177 acres,
October 11, 1784, to Mary Poythress, of Prince George County.
In 1787, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
Mary Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, Joshua Poythress (estate) and Francis
Poythress. The land taxes were paid by Mary Poythress, on (293 + 200 =) 493
acres.
On October 5, 1787, in Prince George County, Mary Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County, to Daniel Sturdivant, of Prince
George County, 100 acres, on a 6 year lease. The witnesses were William
Birchett, James Sturdivant, John Sturdivant and James Davenport.
In 1788, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres, less 100 acres from 1787.
In 1789, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1790, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1790, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1791, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1792, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1793, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1794, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on (293 + 100 =) 393 acres.
In 1795, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
In 1796, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
In 1797, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
In 1798, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
In 1799, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
In 1800, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of Mary
Poythress, on 200 acres.
Adjoining Property
On August 20, 1745, Charles Leath, of Albemarle parish, in Surry County,
planter, gave John Leath, son of the said Charles Leath, of the same county
and parish, planter, 400 acres, part of two tracts of land, both on the
north side of the Nottoway River, in Albemarle parish, in Surry County, and
bounded by the Gum Swamp at the mouth of the Wharreocko Branch, to the thick
place of the branch, adjoining Joshua Poythress, being part of two patents
granted to said Charles Leath, the one dated June 16, 1727, and the other
dated March 26, 1739/40. The witnesses were Edward Pettway and Arthur
Freeman.
On August 16, 1756, James Draper, 149 acres, in Amelia County, between
Tommahitton and the Burchen Swamps, adjoining Joseph Poythress "his corner"
and William Poythress "at the county line."
On April 23, 1764, William Cryer, Sr., of Dinwiddie County, to William
Cryer, Jr., of Amelia County, for 5 shillings, about 570 acres, on the south
side of Tommahitton Swamp, in Amelia County, and bounded by John York and
Joseph Poythress.
On January 24, 1773, in Sussex County, William Black and wife, Frances
Black, of King and Queen County, sold to Robert Walker, of Dinwiddie County,
200 acres, on the Nottaway River and bounded by the Hardware Run, Mark
Harwell and the Mill Road. The witnesses were William Mc______, Joshua
Poythress, Richard Yarbrough, Nathaniel Rains, Frederick Rains and Addison
Day.
On October 11, 1784, in Sussex County, Benjamin Hunnicut and his wife, Mary,
to James Lewis, all, of Sussex County, 100 acres, which had belonged to
William Carter, adjoining Mary Poythress, Cane and Straw Meadow. The
witnesses, Elisha Wilkerson, William Cain, John Washer and Carol Mishell.
As Witness
On May 14, 1760, in Prince George County, an indenture between John
Stainback, of Martin's Hundred, and Edward Darvill, of the same parish, one
patented tract. The witness, Joshua Poythress.
Family Estates
On May 15, 1750, in the Surry County court, attachment was obtained by Peter
and Elizabeth Poythress, executors of Robert Poythress, deceased, and Joshua
Poythress, executor of Thomas Poythress, deceased, against the estate of
Thomas Sisson.
In May, 1751, in the Surry County court, Joshua Poythress, assignee of
Robert and Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge,
Gentleman, plaintiffs against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. The
defendant being arrested and now called and not appearing it was therefore
considered that the plaintiff recover against the said defendant and William
Longbottom his Security for his appearance the debt in the declaration
mentioned amounting to £___ and his costs by him in this behalf expended
unless the defendant shall appear at the next court and plead.
July, 1751, in the Surry County court, Joshua Poythress, assignee of Robert
and Thomas Poythress, who were assignees of Thomas Eldridge, plaintiff,
against Francis Hutchings, defendant in debt. Discontinued and by consent of
the defendant it was ordered that he pay unto the plaintiff his costs.
Tobacco costs 107 pounds.
In Surry County, the Will of William Short IV, of Southwark parish, in Surry
County, dated December 24, 1756, and recorded March 15, 1758.
I give my daughter, Sara Cocke, all the negroes with their increase that I
have already put in her possession, to her and to her heirs forever. I give
my daughter Sarah's children, William Cocke, Susannah Cocke, Sarah Cocke and
Elizabeth Cocke, to them and their heirs forever, six negroes, viz: Great
Amie, Little Amie, Annica, Rose, John and Tim with their increase to be
equally divided among those of the said children that shall come of age or
marry but my executor shall not be obliged to deliver the said negroes
within twelve months after this my Will be proved.
I give to Joshua Poythress all the negroes with their increase that I have
already put in his possession, likewise I give my daughter, Mary Poythress'
children, Joshua Poythress, William Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress to
them and their heirs forever two likely young negroes men or women to each
to be paid to them when they shall arrive at the age of inheritance, but if
any of them die not arriving to that age my executor shall not be chargeable
for the deceased.
I give my daughter, Martha Reade, one negro woman, Sue, that was given to
her by my father, to her and her heirs forever. I likewise give to my
daughter, Martha Reade, six more negroes which I have already put in her
possession viz: Arthur, Cubee, Pharbee, Poll, Moses, and Aaron during her
natural life and after her decrease to be equally divided among such
children as shall proceed of her body, to them and their heirs forever but
if in case she die leaving no child or children to inherit, then my desire
is that the said negroes with their increase be equally divided among my
other daughter's children who shall then be alive to inherit them, and their
heirs forever. I also give my daughter, Martha, 1 bed and furniture, one
horse, and a half dozen silver spoons and if in case Robert Reade's father,
Gwyn Reade, makes the said Robert Reade a fee simple in £800 value then my
executor shall pay my said daughter, Martha, £100 current money otherwise my
said executor shall not be accountable for the said £100.
I give my loving Martha Short the labor and profits during her natural life,
five negroes, Viz: Toney, Jack, Lidda, Caesar, and Pegg, and what household
furniture she thinks proper and after her decease I desire them all with
their increase to my son, William Short, to him and his heirs forever. I
further give my said wife during her widowhood the liberty of working the
said negroes where she shall think proper and on any of the lands I now
possess.
I give my nephew, William Harris, one tract of land containing 150 acres
according to the possession bounds be the same more or less, it being the
land whereon he now lives, the same land my father gave me, I devise to him
and his heirs forever.
I give my son, William Short, to him and his heirs forever, all the
remainder of my estate with both real and personal who I charge with the
payments of all my debts and funeral charges and likewise all the legacies
above given and I do likewise here constitute and appoint my son, William
Short, my whole and sole executor of this my last Will and testament. I do
further desire my estate may not be appraised. As witness my hand this
December 24, 1756. William Short. The witnesses were John I. Anson, John
Cocke and James Lee.
Will of the Widow
In Prince George County, the Will of Mary Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved February 12, 1788, recorded April
12, 1788.
To my daughter, Wilmuth Harrison, as token of affection for her a plain gold
ring and a pair of gold sleeve buttons.
To my daughter, Susanna Poythress, all the residue of and every species of
property, etc. that I may die possessed of, home, cattle, sheep, my portion
of my devisement from Peter Poythress' legacy by his Will. I constitute and
appoint my friends Nicholas Faulcon, Peter Poythress and Joshua Poythress to
be my executors. The witnesses were Dorothy Reed, Colin Cocke, Barbary J.
Norton, Jos. [Joshua] Poythress and Susanna Cocke. On April 12, 1788, at a
court held for Prince George County, at the courthouse, on Friday, February
12, 1788, the foregoing Will was presented into court by Susanna Poythress
and being proved by the Oaths of Colin Cocke and Susanna Cocke, two of the
witnesses thereto, the same was by Order of court recorded, at the same time
Susanna Poythress gave Bond and Security for the faithful administering on
the estate of Mary Poythress upon which certificate was granted her for
obtaining letters of administration with the said Will annexed. Susanna
Poythress (1766-1799) was the daughter of Joshua Poythress and Mary Short.
Susanna married David Maitland. The witness, Joshua Poythress (1751-1794),
was Susanna's brother. He married Elizabeth Robertson. The witness, Susanna
Cocke, was a cousin to Susanna Poythress. Mary Poythress bequeathed all of
the residue of her estate to her daughter, Susanna Poythress.
12/20/2005 4:05:59
Submissions for Heritage book, Mecklenburg Co, VA
Barbara P. Neal
Time is of the essence.
In response to my call to Frances Clark (434-447-7308) of the Southside
Virginia Genealogical Society, I received several copies of the brochure
about the upcoming book, "The Heritage of Mecklenburg County, Virginia -
2006." It will be prepared by that Society & Walsworth Publishing Co, Inc.
Deadline for family stories, photos & book orders is Feb 1, 2006. The
book is targeted for late 2006 delivery. The brochure pictures a lovely
hardbound book, and says that the book will be 9" x 12" & exquisitely
gold stamped, matching (the cover-style of) other Virginia County
Heritage books. The example page of stories shows it will be printed in
3 columns of stories per page.
Because it is a limited edition book, only those who order & pay in
advance are guaranteed to receive a copy. (This is standard operating
procedure for heritage books, for the benefit of those of you who have
not participated in one before.)
All residents, former residents, & those with roots in Mecklenburg Co
are invited to submit, free:
(1) a family household history of 500 words + one photo;
(2) if your ancestor was in Mecklenburg Co by 1800 (or was there earlier
& then gone), you may submit an ADDITIONAL 500-word Pioneer
genealogy/history + one photo. (Or Frances Clark clarified on the phone,
you can combine this additional 500 words & photo with the above, and
make one article of 1,000 words with 2 photos.)
And under "topical articles" below, you'll see that if one or more
member of the family was in the military, a separate 100-word story +
one photo can be submitted on each military person. The example story
for that was submitted by Frances re a marine in WW I.
For an extra fee, one can also submit extra photos & larger photos than
standard: $12.50 for a regular (1-column width) photo; Double-wide or
double-deep photos are an additional $12.50.
Since several of the example family-stories shown in the brochure are
listed as being a few more than 500 words, and the example
military-story is listed as being more than 100 words, I called Frances
for clarification (since I know some counties' heritage books charge an
extra per-word-fee for words over the maximum number stated). She said
that if a story is within the ballpark of the required number of words,
the whole story will be published. There is no extra fee. However if the
story runs substantially longer, it will not all be published.
All stories must be flowing, narrative form.
NO genealogical charts or tabular material will be accepted.
Limit of one family-story submission per household -- She stated there
are no doubt many people in your extended family who would be glad to be
the official "submitter" of a story, if you have more than one family
about which you'd like to do a story.
Every word counts as a full word, even the words "a" "and" "it" "for"
"by"
The only exception to the counting each word rule, is regarding
abbreviations: an abbreviation of up to & including 4 letters/numbers =
1 word. An abbreviation of 5 letters/numbers or more = 2 words
(punctuation does not affect this)
Required format (quoted verbatim here):
Double-space type or word processing on bond paper. We cannot
accept articles which are typed in ALL CAPS. Upper and lower case must
be used. We will also accept text on diskettes, using MS Word or Word
Perfect. Please include a printed hard copy.
Include at end of article:
1. Word count
2. Sources, if available (Bpn note: I suspect the sources would need
to be included in the word-count if extensive. The examples show simply
"Sources: obituary and family stories" and "Sources: family records,
personal knowledge, and census records")
3. Name, address, & phone number of story submitter.
4. Caption to appear with photo (limited to 10 words or less)
5. Index: Please list first, middle or maiden names (in parentheses),
then last, typed on a separate sheet of paper and stapled to your story.
Photograph directions:
Note: Do not submit original irreplaceable photos. We make every effort
to return them, but cannot be responsible for loss/damage.
A. Types & size
1. Glossy photos are best. Black & white are preferred, but we accept
35 mm color and studio quality prints. We will accept .jpg or .tif
photos on a separate floppy or CD. Please do not send one floppy or CD
with multiple photos for multiple articles! Separate CD or floppy for
each article! Please also send a glossy print of the photo.
2. The following are not acceptable: laser scans, Xerox copies,
negatives or faded Polaroids.
3. Any size up to 8" x 10"
4. All photos will be reduced to one column, 2.5" wide x 1.75" high,
with standard cropping as a bust shot. You must pay extra (as mentioned
above) for larger sizes.
Identification:
1. Place a return address lable with telephone number on the back of
each photo.
2. Include a stamped, self-addressed envelope.
Captions:
1. Limited to 10 words or less
2. Type at the end of article.
Topical articles (to be used at book committee discretion)
A. Histories of churches, clubs, & organizations
1. Each allowed 250 words + one photo
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12/20/2005 4:13:43
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to read your research setting the
record straight on the Wynne family. My desire has been to understand the
family organization of the Poythress family. Without the benefit of your 50
years of research on the Wynne family, I have used R. Bolling Batte
regarding the Wynne family ancestral chart. He has been quite accurate on
most of the ancestral chart of the Poythress family. I never considered him
either a novice or an internet genealogist. I look forward to seeing your
information in print in the near future. I will return to my primary goal of
presenting the documentation of the individual Poythress family members as I
have not invested anywhere near 50 years of research into the Wynne family.
It is befitting that you present the Wynne family that others may avail
themselves of the rectified or corrected information.........Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:12 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> Michael, I guess the bottom line is that Joshua Wynne was married twice.
> There is a record of a pre nuptial agreement. His son, Peter Wynne, did
> not marry Frances Anderson--this has been agreed upon by several serious
> Wynne researchers, etc., etc. I also see some conflicting information
> re Joshua's life,including his children in your documentation but I'll
> have to wait until after the Christmas Holidays to address it. I am
> curious as to where you got all of the extensive information you have on
> Joshua Wynne. Some of it is brand new to me and I have been researching
> his family for close to 50 years. My information was not obtained
> through the computer. The computer is a wonderful way to make contact
> with fellow researchers but so much is being printed and novice
> researchers are copying it for the truth. How will it ever be rectified
> and/or corrected? I really do appreciate your sharing your Poythress
> information as I have never seriously researched that family other than
> a determined effort to find out when Francis Poythress, husband of Mary,
> actually died and am I correct in assuming it was after 1651, based on
> the information that you have? I have not yet addressed your data on
> Thomas Wynne who is actually my direct line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:58 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Deloris,
>
> I am not sure what you are saying here. Would you make it absolutely
> clear
> to me? I would appreciate it......Thank you, Mike
>
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> From R. Bolling Batte:
> 7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County,
> Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of Peter Jones
> and
> Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.
>
> 24. Peter Wynne (Joshua Wynne2, Mary ______1) died ABT 1738 in Prince
> George
> County, VA. He married Frances Anderson. She died 1725.
> Child of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson is:
> 81 i. Peter Wynne.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
>
>> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
> with
>> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
> Wynne,
>> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
> our
>> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
>> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
> corrected
>> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
>> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
> to
>> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
>> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
>> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
>> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
>> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
>> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
> know
>> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
>> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
>> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
>> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
>> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
>> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
>> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
> GENEALOGIST,
>> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
>> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
>> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
>> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
>> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
>> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
>> documentation. Deloris
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
>> generation
>>
>> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
>> cousins.
>> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>>
>> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
> Interpreter
>> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
>> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
>> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
>> Peter
>> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
>> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
>> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
>> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
>> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
>> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
>> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
>> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
>> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>>
>> Family
>> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
>> City
>> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
>> Robert
>> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
>> man
>> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
>> October
>> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
>> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
> an
>>
>> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
> to
>> his
>> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
>> Jones
>> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
> fort
>> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
>> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
>> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
>> that
>> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
>> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
>> who
>> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
>> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
> Anderson;
>> (2)
>> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
>> Worsham
>> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
> Edward
>>
>> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
>> Mary;
>> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
>> William
>> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
>> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
>> Indians
>> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
> 'great'
>> men.
>> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
>> aggressors
>> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
> and
>> the
>> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
>> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
>> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
>> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
>> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
>> that
>> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>>
>> Son, Peter Wynne
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
> John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
> of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
> in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
> witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
> appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
> Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
> Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
> Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
> heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
> I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
> steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
> my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
> and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
> my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
> to
>> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
>> acres, on
>> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
> in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
>> Wynne,
>> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>>
>> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
>> Hamlin,
>> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
> administration
>> to
>> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
> one
>> of
>> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted
>>
>> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
>> Meredith
>> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
> was
>> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
> Wynne
>> his
>> security.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
>> Elder,
>> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
>> the
>> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
> Joseph
>>
>> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
>> lived,
>> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
> Poythress
>>
>> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
> said
>> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
>> Bonner
>> and Thomas Poythress.
>> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
>> Goodwynn
>> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
> in
>> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
>> lands
>> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
>> back of
>> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
> and
>>
>> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
>> named
>> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
>> Thomas
>> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
> on
>> the
>> day and year within mentioned.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
> the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
> Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
> the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
> plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
>> Poythress,
>> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
> John
>>
>> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
>> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
>> languishes.
>> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
>> Thomas
>> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
>> witnesses.
>>
>> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
>> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
>> John
>> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
> acres,
>> on
>> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
>> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
>> were
>> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
>> witnessed
>> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
> Anne
>>
>> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
>> Eldridge
>> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
> and
>>
>> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
>> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
> was
>>
>> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
> Fleming
>> and
>> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
> (c.
>>
>> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>>
>> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
> proved
>> October 1, 1729.
>> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
>> son,
>> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
>> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
>> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
>> daughter,
>> my granddaughter.
>> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
> Coldwater
>>
>> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
>> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
>> To son, William, items.
>> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
>> Martha
>> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
>> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
>> To grandson, Isham Epes.
>> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
>> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
>> and
>> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
>> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
> witnesses
>> were
>> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
> in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
> witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
> appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
> Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
> Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
> Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
> heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
> I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
> steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
> my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
> and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
> my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
> John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
> of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George
>> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
>> the
>> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
>> Pace,
>> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
> Hamlin.
>>
>> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
>> Richard
>> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
> of
>> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
> the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
> Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
> the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
> plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
> Poythress
>> and
>> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
>> of
>> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
>> daughter
>> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
>> Wynne
>> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
>> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
> Sheriff.
>>
>> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
>> 1720.
>> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
>> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
>> third
>> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
> the
>> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
>> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
> and
>> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
>> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
>> their
>> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
>> featherbed.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
> one
>> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
>> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
> land
>>
>> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
>> to
>> him and his heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
>> High
>> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
> and
>> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
>> heirs
>> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
>> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
>> Prince
>> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
>> Richard
>> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
>> hereafter
>> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
>> if
>> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
>> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
>> each of
>> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
>> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
> my
>> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
>> making
>> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
> hereunto
>>
>> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
>> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
>> court
>> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
> Tuesday,
>>
>> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
>> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
>> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
>> proved
>> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
>> witnesses
>> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
>> the
>> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
>> Certificate
>> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>>
>> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
>> Irby,
>> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
>> the
>> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
>> return
>> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
>> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> (1694-1729)
>> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>>
>> Son, Robert Wynne
>> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
>> probated May 21, 1718.
>> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
>> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
>> shilling each.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
>> then
>> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
>> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
> David
>> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
>> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
>> Mrs.
>> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
> annexed
>> of
>> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
>> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
> Henry
>> Reed
>> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
> Rebecca,
>> his
>> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
>> one,
>> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
> before
>>
>> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
>> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
> and
>> was
>> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
>> Poythress
>> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
> one
>> of
>> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
> had
>> of
>> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
> There
>>
>> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
>> shortly
>> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
>> begs
>> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
> and
>>
>> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
>> to
>> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
> the
>> ship
>> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
>> the
>> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
>> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
>> Batte,
>> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
>> Rebecca,
>> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
> what
>> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
>> and
>> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
>> same.
>> Peter Perry.
>> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
>> of
>> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
>> from
>> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
> Anthony
>> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
>> Randall
>> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
>> Daniell,
>> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
>> Anderson,
>> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
>> Bland,
>> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
>> George
>> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
> Sheriff
>> was
>> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
>> Peter
>> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
> Joshua
>>
>> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
>> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
>> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
>> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
>> and
>> James Thweatt.
>> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
>> appointed
>> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
>> their
>> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
>> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
>> 1703,
>> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
>> Wynne
>> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
> the
>> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
>> the
>> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
>> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
> This
>>
>> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
>> averting a
>> tribal war.
>> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
> with
>> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
> as
>>
>> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
>> line on
>> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
>> discover
>> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
>> were to
>> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
> and
>> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
>> Gentleman,
>> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
> Major
>> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
> Joshua
>>
>> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
>> Frances
>> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
> 1661-c.
>>
>> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
>> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
>> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
>> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
>> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
>> Nottoway
>> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
> by
>> the
>> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
> knows
>> or
>> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
> parts,
>> the
>> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
>> where
>> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
>> Monksneck
>> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
> up
>> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
>> is on
>> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
>> places,
>> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
> ago,
>> and
>> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
> at
>> the
>> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
> Indians
>> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
>> Unote,
>> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
>> Taurara,
>> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
>> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
>> 12,
>> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
>> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
> Virginia
>>
>> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
>> Thweatt
>> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
>> was in
>> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
>> in
>> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
>> he
>> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
> when
>>
>> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
>> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
>> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
>> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
>> William
>> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
>> James
>> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
>> James
>> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
>> June
>> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
>> commission
>> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
> he
>> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
>> sterling.
>> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
>> the
>> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
> was
>> of
>> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
> 1726.
>>
>> Property: Land
>> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
>> On
>> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
> deed
>> from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
>> Bartholomew,
>> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
>> of
>> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
>> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
> and
>> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
>> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
>> side of
>> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
>> Poythress
>> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
>> Elizabeth Burwell.
>> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
>> in
>> 1708.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
>> Randolph,
>> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
> unlawful
>>
>> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
>> court to
>> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
>> marry
>> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
>> marry
>> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
>> Frances,
>> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
>> relict
>> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
> Rebecca
>> and
>> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
>> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
>> fathers.
>> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
> the
>> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
>> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
>> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
>> live
>> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
>> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
>> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
> his
>> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
> in
>>
>> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
> stated
>>
>> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
> that
>> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
> of
>>
>> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
> he
>> knew
>> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
> sisters
>> and
>> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
>> John
>> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
>> Mrs.
>> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
> daughters
>>
>> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
> two
>>
>> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
>> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
> the
>>
>> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
> to
>>
>> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
>> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
>> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
>> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
>> Jane
>> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
>> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
>> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
>> death. He
>> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
>> witness,
>> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
>> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
>> Poythress'
>> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
> half-brother.
>>
>> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
>> approximately the same age.
>> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
> Will
>> and
>> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
>> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
> was
>>
>> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
>> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
>> Henry
>> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
>> Littlebury
>> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
>> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
>> the
>> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
>> any
>> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
>> 1705, at
>> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
>> the
>> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
>> her
>> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
>> Francis
>> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
>> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
> her
>>
>> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
>> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
>> and
>> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
>> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
> Maria
>>
>> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
>> Elizabeth
>> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
>> (1658-1718),
>> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
>> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
>> William
>> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
>> at
>> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
>> plantation
>> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
> John
>> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
>> endorsement
>> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
>> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
>> son,
>> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
> (1666-1722)
>>
>> married Elizabeth Shands.
>>
>> Family Estates
>> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
>> George
>> County, proved December 11, 1712.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
> now
>> live
>> on, to him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
> him
>> and
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
> and
>> to
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
> Swamp,
>> to
>> him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
>> the
>> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
> sale
>> of
>> the said fifty acres of land.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
>> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
> and
>> Frank Cook at nattuah.
>> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
>> increase.
>> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
>> increase.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
>> and
>> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
>> disposing.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
> son,
>>
>> Tom.
>> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
>> Cook.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
>> during
>> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
>> cow
>> and calf and a new gun.
>> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
>> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
> and
>> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
>> account of what they have in hand.
>> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
>> negro
>> child, Shu, goes with all.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
>> and
>> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
>> at her own disposing.
>> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
> of
>> this
>> my last will and testament.
>> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
>> Stainback to
>> be the dividers of my estate.
>> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
>> Leeth,
>> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
>> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
>> written
>> last Will and testament of Mr. John
>> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
>> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
>> and
>> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
>> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
>> the
>> same is admitted to record.
>>
>>
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12/20/2005 4:50:57
RE:
Deloris Riley
Michael, here I go again: according to your list of deeds, Francis
Poythress I was born 1609-1651 (Colonel Robert Wynne was born in 1622)
and Francis was still living in 1651 SO how could his widow, Mary
Poythress possibly be the mother of Mary Wynne who married John Woodlief
II? Your records state that Mary Wynne was born about 1646??? Am I
interpreting your records correctly? Deeds are usually just about as
reliable record(s) as you can find. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:49 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
The following list includes every listed deed that I have seen
mentioning a
Poythress: Transferring from one format to another always changes the
format
in which I originally put the list together. The list is chronological,
with
the life span of the individual Poythress, Y/N to indicate whether the
full
document is available, the seller of the property, the date of sale, the
number of acres, and if the seller was not a Poythress, the name of the
Poythress that was mentioned. This list adds another dimension to
identifying the existence of different individuals and where they were
involved in transactions.
The identifying life span with the individual in the entry is my
identification of the individual. These will be looked at more closely
as
the different lists are completed and compared to the existing records.
The
number of Francis, William and John Poythresses make it neccesary to
evaluate the life events of each individual to discover the particular
individual in each record.
(1609-c. 1651) Y Poythers, Francis 7/13/1637 400 Charles City Co
(1609-c. 1651) N Woodliffe, John 7/25/1638 200 Charles City Co Francis
Poythres
(1609-c. 1651) Y Poythres, Francis, Captain 5/8/1648 750 Charles City Co
(c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 4/1661 50 Charles City Co Captain
Francis
Poythres
(c. 1639-1688) N Poythres, Francis 6/3/1665 450 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Edmonds/Williams 4/20/1680 888 Charles City Co Major
Poytries
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytres, Francis 9/28/1681 609 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytries, Francis, Major 4/20/1682 750 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Hill, Edward, Colonel 11/20/1683 980½ Charles City Co
Francis Poytheris
(c. 1639-1688) Y Poytheres, Francis 11/20/1683 1,250 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Goodrich, Charles 4/20/1687 550 Charles City Co Major
Poytheres
(c. 1639-1688) Y Mumfort, James 4/20/1689 50 Charles City Co Major
Francis
Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Tapley, Adam 4/21/1690 1,078 Charles City Co Major
Poythres
(c. 1660->1711) Y Poythres, Rebecca 4/29/1692 1,000 Charles City Co
(c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 9/20/1699 350 Surry County
(c. 1640-1712) Y Poythris, John 10/24/1701 350 Charles City Co
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 10/23/1703 609 Charles City Co
(c. 1639-1688) Y Mumford, Robert 4/26/1704 50 Charles City Co Major
Francis
Poythress
(c. 1681-1724) N Poythress, John 12/11/1704 200 Prince George Co Francis
Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Hamlin, John 5/2/1705 550 Charles City Co Major
Poythress
(c. 1639-1688) Y Bland, Richard 11/2/1705 1,254 Mr. Francis Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 6/22/1708 600 Pr. Geo./Surry Co
(c. 1660->1711) N Bartholomew, Anne 9/10/1711 200 Prince George Co
Rebecca
Poythress
(c. 1660->1711) N Poythress, Rebecca 9/10/1711 300 Prince George Co
Rebecca
Poythress
N Bland, Richard 3/3/1711 430 Prince George Co Mr. Francis Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) N Poythress, Thomas 12/9/1712 100 Pr. Geo. Co Fr.
Poythres of
Westover
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 5/12/1713 100 Prince George Co
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr. 6/8/1714 50 Prince George Co of
Weyanoke
N Grammar, Peter 7/12/1715 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythres
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 3/23/1715 100 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
Geo.
Co.
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythres, Thomas 3/23/1715 180 Surry County
(1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 5/9/1717 500 Surry County
(c. 1672->1726) Y Poythres, John 7/15/1717 267 Surry County of Pr. Geo.
Co.
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 2/10/1717 200 Prince George Co
N Pace, Richard 11/11/1717 Prince Geo. Co Fr. Poythress, the Elder
N Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
Y Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 400 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr., et al 9/4/1720 1,200 Prince
George Co
(c. 1681-1724) N Poythres, John, Jr. 11/8/1720 150 Prince Geo. Co Fr.
Poythres, the Elder
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythress, Peter 2/14/1720 92 Surry County
(1694-1763) N Poythres, William 4/4/1721 100 Prince George Co Joshua
Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 9/11/1721 40 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 9/12/1721 100/267 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 10/4/1721 100 Prince George Co
N Poythres, Francis 12/11/1721 200 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) Y Poythres, Peter 12/11/1721 200 Prince Geo. Co John, s.
of
Fr. Poythres
(c. 1688-1741) Y Poythres, Joshua 6/22/1722 333 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Golitely, John 2/18/1722 100 Isle of Wight Co Peter
Poythres
(c. 1685-1740) Y Poythres, David 9/5/1723 250 Surry County
(c. 1681-1724) Y Poythres, John 9/5/1723 200 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
Geo.
Co.
(c. 1685-1740) Y Robbords, John 9/5/1723 235 David Poythress
(c. 1672->1726) N Ivie, Adam 12/16/1723 130 Pr. Geo. Co Capt. John/Mr.
Peter
Poythress
Y Poythris, Francis, Captain 7/9/1724 387 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 7/9/1724 206 Prince George Co
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 2/22/1724 248 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 7/9/1725 300 Prince George Co
(c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 7/11/1725 2 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) N Poythres, William 7/11/1725 100 Prince George Co Joshua
Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 7/12/1725 Prince George Co
(c. 1674->1726) Y Poythres, John, Capt. 10/13/1727 275 Brunswick County
(1694-1763) Y Poythriss, William 10/13/1727 343 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 3/11/1727 400 Prince George Co
Y Poythris, Francis, Jr. 9/28/1728 200 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Poythris, Robert 9/28/1728 291 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Glover, Robert 9/28/1728 297 Prince George Co Robert
Poythris
(1694-1763) N Poythress, William 5/2/1729 2,000 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Parham, Abraham 9/28/1730 150 Surry County Joshua
Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) N Eldings/Leath 8/25/1731 248 Prince George Co Thomas
Poythres
Y Clark, Joshua 9/28/1732 50 Isle of Wight Co Captain John Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) Y Green, Peter 9/28/1732 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
(c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 10/9/1732 250 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Parrum, Robert 3/22/1732 267 Surry County Robert Poythres
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 6/20/1733 400 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 1,024 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 297 Prince George Co
(1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 381 Prince George Co
(c. 1683-1749) N Green, Peter 1/28/1733 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
(c. 1674-<1763) Y Bland, Richard 2/28/1733 140 Isle of Wight Co Peter
Poythress
(c. 1674-<1763) N Hay, Richard 5/25/1734 200 Surry County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1674-<1763) N Bridges, William 8/1/1734 425 Surry County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) Y Poythress, Joshua 2/27/1734 382 Prince George Co
William
Poythress
(1694-1763) Y Poythress, William, Gent.3/24/1734 400 Prince George Co
(1690-1743) Y Poythres, Robert 6/17/1735 412 Surry County
(c. 1685-1740) Y Poythress, David/Robert 7/12/1735 600 Surry County John
Poythres
(1694-1763) N Moore, Samuel 9/10/1735 100 Prince George Co William
Poythress
Y Poythress, Francis 1/10/1735 400 Brunswick County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Mayberry, George 1/10/1735 225 Surry County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1710-1760) Y Poythress, John, Gent. 3/17/1736 325 Brunswick County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Bland, Richard 4/19/1737 225 Surry County Peter
Poythress
Y Cryer, William 1/2/1737 700 Prince George Co Joseph Poythress
Y Michell, John 2/9/1737 250 Prince George Co John Poythress
N Poythress, Francis, Gent. 8/1738 Prince George Co
N Poythress, Charles 9/12/1738 Prince George Co
N Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/12/1738 Prince George Co
(c. 1688-1741) N Leath, Charles 3/26/1739 263 Surry County Joshua
Poythress
Y Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/22/1739 3,887 Prince George Co
Y Poythress, Francis 9/22/1739 400 Prince George Co
(c. 1674-<1763) N Brantley, John 9/22/1739 350 Isle of Wight Co Mr.
Peter
Poythress
(1690-1743) Y Poythress, Robert 9/22/1739 400 Amelia County
(c. 1685-1740) N Pettway, Edward 9/10/1740 235 Surry County David
Poythress
Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 1,572 Prince George Co
Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 200 Prince George Co
Y Jackson, John 10/15/1741 4,440 Prince Geo./Amelia Joseph Poythress
(c. 1683-1749) Y Wainwright, George 10/15/1741 399 Prince George Co
Thomas
Poythress
(1690-1743) N Poythress, William 3/15/1741 327 Prince George Co
(c. 1685-1740) N Avent, Thomas 4/21/1742 200 Surry County Peter
Poythress
N Claiborne, Burnell 7/10/1745 150 Prince George Co Captain Francis
Poythress
(<1718-<1763) Y Poythress, Charles 8/20/1745 300
(c. 1720-1782) N Leath, John 8/20/1745 400 Surry County Joshua Poythress
N Stone, William 8/20/1745 700 Amelia County Poythress
Y Poythress, John, Jr. 9/20/1745 841 Prince George Co
Y Johnson, Going 7/25/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
Y Sanders, John 7/25/1746 400 Prince George Co William Poythress
Y Thomas, Edward 7/25/1746 168 Prince George Co Poythress
N Grigg, Abner 8/28/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
N Elder, William, Jr. 8/28/1746 280 Prince George Co Robert Poythress
Y Ornsby, John 8/28/1746 1,703 Prince George Co Poythress
Y Wagnon, John 9/25/1746 576 Prince George Co William Poythress
Elder, William 9/25/1746 400 William Poythress
N Ferguson, Robert 8/20/1747 840 Prince George Co Poytheross
N Wyatt, Francis 8/20/1747 200 Amelia County Poythress
Y Williams, Thomas 8/20/1748 1,510 Prince George Co Poythress
N Poythress, William 9/6/1748 447½ Henrico County
N Stone, Katherine 12/2/1748 200 Amelia County Robert Poythriss
N Brewer, Lenire 7/25/1749 150 Brunswick County John Poythress
Y Darvill, Buffington J. 9/5/1749 1,090 Prince George Co John Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Elder, John 9/5/1749 200 Prince George Co Charles
Poythress
Y Wainwright, George 9/5/1749 1,000 Prince George Co Poythress
N Poythress, William 9/11/1749 450 Amelia County
(c. 1674-<1763) N Dancy, William 11/11/1749 325 Surry County Peter
Poythress
N Boyd, Walter 4/20/1750 450 Amelia County William Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Poythress, Charles 5/29/1751 640 Granville County, NC
(1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 8/5/1751 324 Prince George Co William
Poythress
N Poythress, William 8/3/1752 531 Dinwiddie County
N Williams, John 4/18/1753 38 Dinwiddie County Wm./Edward Poythress
N Pettway, Edward 8/16/1756 143 Peter Poythress
N Draper, James 8/16/1756 149 Amelia County Wm./Joseph Poythress
Y Turner, Matthew 10/21/1756 100 Bertie County, NC William Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Clark, James 7/17/1758 Surry County Charles Poythress,
Gent.
N Gordon, Samuel 8/14/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
N Dance, Thomas 11/17/1759 447½ Chesterfield Co William Poythress
N Baird, John 12/11/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
N Brodnax, William 1/13/1760 1 lot Prince George Co William Poythress
N Gordon, Samuel 2/7/1760 105 Prince George Co William Poythress
N West, Robert 9/26/1760 100 Dinwiddie County Poythress
N Cheek, Robert 11/27/1760 212 Granville County, NC Charles Bartholomew
N Hutchings, Robert 3/18/1761 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Hardy, John 3/18/1761 96 3/4 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Morton, Joseph 10/21/1761 160 Lunenburg County William Portress
N Williams, Robert 4/21/1762 200 Amelia County Poythress
N Hutchings, Robert 9/25/1762 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
N Williams, Robert 5/10/1763 200 Amelia County Poythress
(c. 1720-1782) N Parham, Abraham 5/19/1763 20 Sussex County Joshua
Poythress
N Poythress, Peter 7/7/1763 178 Amelia County
N Claiborne, Leonard 7/7/1763 225 Dinwiddie County Poythress
(c. 1720-1782) N Wilkerson, William 11/26/1763 595 Sussex County Joshua
Poythress
N Parham, William 2/16/1764 198 Sussex County Poythress
N Cryer, William, Jr. 4/23/1764 570 Amelia County Joseph Poythress
(c. 1730-1787) N Holt, Dibdale 5/21/1764 200 Amelia County Peter
Poythress
N Pettway, John 6/21/1764 200 Sussex County Peter Poythress
Y Thomas/Harper 6/5/1765 400 Dinwiddie County Francis Poythress
N Atkinson, Roger 9/9/1765 100 Lunenburg County Thomas Prosise
N Manire, William 5/18/1767 Amelia County Poythris
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/24/1767 50 Amelia County
N Harper, Joseph, Jr. 3/18/1768 170 Amelia County Poythress
N Wills, Elias 7/20/1768 204 Amelia County assignee of Fr. Poythress
N Walker, John 11/17/1768 200 Sussex County Poythress
N Poythress, John 2/21/1769 248 Lunenburg County
N Jackson, Robert 3/15/1769 730 Sussex County Peter Poythress
N Self, Jobe 4/17/1771 150 Bute County, NC Charles Bartholomew
(c. 1730-1787) N Bland, John 11/12/1771 128 Amelia County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 11/23/1771 6 Brunswick County
(c. 1730-1787) N Broadnax, William 1/29/1772 200 Sussex County Maj.
Peter
Poythress
(<1718-<1763) N Howell, Isaac 4/6/1772 644 Bute County, NC Charles
Pouthress
(c. 1730-1787) N Darwell, Buffington 8/15/1772 32 Dinwiddie County Peter
Poythress
(c. 1729-<1801) Y Rives, William 5/13/1773 275 Brunswick County Thomas
Poythress
(c. 1729-<1801) Y Dawson, John 7/6/1773 525 Brunswick County Thomas
Poythress
(c.1726-1805) N Cogbill, Thomas 9/7/1773 161 Chesterfield County Tabitha
Randolph
(<1718-<1763) N Fitz, Henry 10/23/1773 322 Bute County, NC Charles
Poytheress
N Haskins, Christopher 3/24/1774 6 Brunswick County Peter Poythress
N Poythress, Peter 1/7/1775 198 Sussex County
(c. 1726-1805) N Randolph, John 5/31/1775 100 Chesterfield County
Tabitha
Randolph
N Poythress, Peter 12/19/1776 133 Sussex County
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 5/29/1780 13 Dinwiddie County
(c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/20/1780 173 Prince George County
(c. 1729-<1801) N Poythress, Thomas 10/10/1781 584? Brunswick County
(c. 1760-c. 1845)Y Poythress, Meridith 9/22/1783 50 Brunswick County
N Poythress, Mary 10/11/1784 177 Sussex County
N Lewis, James 12/16/1784 100 Sussex County Mary Poythress
N Cureton, William 6/21/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
N Cureton, James 6/25/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
N 8/12/1787 120 Greene County, GA Francis Poythrys
N 8/1787 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
N Call, William, Jr. 9/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
N Sturdivant, Daniel 10/5/1787 100 Prince George Co Mary Poythress
N Mitchell, Reaps 12/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
(1751-1794) N Parham, Abraham, Jr. 1/17/1788 170 Sussex County Joshua
Poythress
N Mitchell, Reaps 8/18/1788 184 Sussex County William Poythress
N 3/10/1789 250 Greene County, GA Francis Poythryss
N Birchett, Robert 1/12/1790 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress, Jr., Gent.
(c. 1765-1810) N McConnice, Chris. 2/25/1790 1 lot Prince George Co Wm.,
s.
of Peter Poythress
N Peters, William 3/17/1790 296 Sussex County William Poythress
N Poythress, William, Jr. 5/13/1790 Pr. Geo. County executors of William
Green
N Poythress, William, Jr. 6/8/1790 296 Prince George Co
N Marks, Edward 6/8/1790 400 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. P., Jr.(Poythress Qtr.)
N Poythress, William 7/26/1790 Prince George County
N Peachey, William S. 10/2/1790 300 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress (Flowerdew
100)
N Poythress, Thomas 8/12/1791 85 Brunswick County
N Baird, John 8/15/1791 15 Prince George County Wm. Poythress, Jr.
N Mason, Winfield 2/12/1792 96 Sussex County Mary Poyther
N Cureton, James 5/9/1792 102 3/4 Prince George County William Poythress
N Poythress, William 5/9/1792 80½ Prince George County
N Cureton, William 6/7/1792 40 Sussex County William Poythress
N Poythress, William 12/5/1794 518 Prince George Co Chas. Duncan
(Charteris)
Y Hicks, George 8/20/1795 85 Brunswick County Thomas Poythress
N Cureton, James 9/21/1798 1,033 Prince George County William Poythress
N Colley, Nathaniel 9/6/1800 212 Prince George County (Branchester)
N 12/4/1800 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Giles, John 1/13/1801 100 Mecklenburg County Lewis
Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/4/1801 104 Mecklenburg County
N 11/30/1801 100 Greene County, GA Poythress
N Poythress, (orphans) 5/8/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Thos. P. of Burke Co.
N Mattox, William 6/15/1809 200 Prince George Co Poythress
(c. 1782-1815) N Cleaton, Thomas 7/7/1809 50 Mecklenburg County Peter
Poythress
N Poythress, Elizabeth 11/10/1809 Wilkinson County, GA of Hancock Co.
N Poythress, (orphans) 11/20/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Fr. P. of Hancock Co.
N Epes, Peter 1/1811 Pr. Geo. Co Joshua, Wm., Thos. P.
(c. 1769->1817) N Dickson, John/Robt. 7/13/1812 Burke County, GA Edward
Poythress
(c. 1780-1824) N Epes, Peter 12/1812 Prince George County Patrick H.
Poythress
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/3/1813 33 Mecklenburg County
N Risque, James B. 11/14/1815 100 Chesterfield County Poythress
(Bloomsbury)
(c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 4/20/1816 138 Mecklenburg County
(c. 1780->1830) N Poythress, Lilly 11/27/1820 160 Faulkner Co., Arkansas
of
VA
(c. 1765-1832) N Poythress, George 5/8/1821 Georgia of Burke Co., GA
N Poythress, Meredith 12/9/1823 202½ Houston County, GA of Screven Co.,
GA
(c. 1785-1828) N Poythress, Cleaton 11/27/1824 Georgia of Screven Co.,
GA
Y Poytress, Littlebury H. 7/23/1825 150 Granville County, NC
N Poythress, James P. 6/21/1827 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
N Poythress, James P. 1/26/1829 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
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12/20/2005 5:02:39
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne with
which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert Wynne,
and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in our
articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allens article was
written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he corrected
then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came to
light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
Cockes 1718 will. She never refers to Mrs. Mary Randolph as her
daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
Mrs. Mary Randolph was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I know
of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
Cockes Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
be interested in a short article entitled Cameron Allen Validated:
Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
Virginia, published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST,
v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
Joshua Wynnes widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
unknown) who married Peter Wynne.
SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
documentation. Deloris
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
cousins.
Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
[7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
Peter
Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
+ 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
+ 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
28 v. Frances Wynne.
29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
+ 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
Family
Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
City
County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
Robert
Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
man
in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
October
8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
his
600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
Jones
about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
and
Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
that
negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
who
led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
(2)
Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
Worsham
and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
Mary;
(5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
William
Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
Indians
because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
men.
Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
aggressors
and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
the
Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
that
the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
Son, Peter Wynne
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
Ann
Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
Anderson.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
acres, on
Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
Wynne,
Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
Hamlin,
deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
to
John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
of
the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
Meredith
one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
his
security.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
the
same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
lived,
being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
Bonner
and Thomas Poythress.
On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
Goodwynn
(not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
lands
lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
back of
the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
named
Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
Thomas
Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
the
day and year within mentioned.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
Poythress,
the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
languishes.
On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
Thomas
Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
witnesses.
Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
John
Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
on
the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
were
Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
witnessed
by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
Eldridge
was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
and
Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
October 1, 1729.
To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
son,
William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
daughter,
my granddaughter.
To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
To son, William, items.
To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
Martha
Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
To grandson, Isham Epes.
To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
and
various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
were
Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
John
Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
in
many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
of
many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
left a
Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
The
Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
dated
August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
wife
of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
woman
Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
forever. I
give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
for
ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
possession.
I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
man,
named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
by
the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
also
give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
gift of
a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
the
said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
Wynne. I
give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
Mary
Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
I
give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
Wynne,
a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
James,
he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
held
by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
by my
executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
rest of
my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
seal
the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
Thomas
Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
1719 on
the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
Jones
Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
Cocke
(1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
Westover
parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
my
tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
Ann
Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
1690-c.
1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
Anderson.
On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
George
County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
the
same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
Pace,
and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
Richard
Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
acres, in
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
said
Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
west
nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
the
head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
run
between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
path at
the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
running
east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
chains to
the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
and
sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
and
Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
of
John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
daughter
of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
Wynne
(1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
1720.
I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
third
part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
their
increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
featherbed.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
to
him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
High
Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
heirs
forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
Prince
George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
Richard
Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
hereafter
named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
if
any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
each of
them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
making
void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
court
held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
proved
by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
witnesses
thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
the
said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
Certificate
was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
the
estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
return
the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
(1694-1729)
was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
Son, Robert Wynne
In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
probated May 21, 1718.
A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
shilling each.
To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
then
to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
Professional Life
On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
Mrs.
Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
of
Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
Reed
exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
his
wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
one,
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
was
thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
Poythress
and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
of
the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
of
said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
shortly
afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
begs
recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
to
England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
ship
owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
the
Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
Batte,
Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
Rebecca,
the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
and
Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
same.
Peter Perry.
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
and
James Thweatt.
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
1703,
the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
Wynne
and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
the
Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
averting a
tribal war.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
were to
ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
Gentleman,
aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
Frances
Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
1730s). John Poythress(3)
was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
(1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
Nottoway
River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
the
name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
or
has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
the
chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
where
Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
Monksneck
Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
is on
the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
places,
and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
and
then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
the
place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
Unote,
and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
Taurara,
but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
12,
1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
Thweatt
owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
was in
Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
in
Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
he
swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
William
Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
James
Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
James
Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
June
14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
commission
from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
sterling.
Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
the
same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
of
age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
Property: Land
On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
On
February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
from
Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
Bartholomew,
William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
of
Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
side of
the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
Poythress
and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
Elizabeth Burwell.
Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
in
1708.
As Witness
On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
Randolph,
exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
court to
provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
marry
within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
marry
his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
Frances,
the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
relict
of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
and
that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
fathers.
On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
live
together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
knew
both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
and
daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
John
Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
Mrs.
Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
(1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
Jane
(-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
death. He
subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
witness,
John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
Poythress'
brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
approximately the same age.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
and
testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
Henry
Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
Littlebury
Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
the
original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
any
blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
1705, at
Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
the
back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
her
Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
Francis
Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
and
Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
Elizabeth
Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
(1658-1718),
daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
William
Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
at
Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
plantation
and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
endorsement
making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
son,
Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
(1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
married Elizabeth Shands.
Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
George
County, proved December 11, 1712.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
live
on, to him and his heirs forever.
I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
to
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
to
him and his heirs forever.
I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
the
Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
of
the said fifty acres of land.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
Frank Cook at nattuah.
I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
increase.
I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
increase.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
and
Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
disposing.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
Tom.
I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
Cook.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
during
his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
cow
and calf and a new gun.
I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
account of what they have in hand.
I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
negro
child, Shu, goes with all.
I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
and
Jude, as her own proper estate to be
at her own disposing.
I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
this
my last will and testament.
I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
Stainback to
be the dividers of my estate.
Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
Leeth,
Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
written
last Will and testament of Mr. John
Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
and
the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
the
same is admitted to record.
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Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Reginia Winn
Pardon me for puttin in my two cents, I have a large emount of info on the Wynne's which seems to run along with what you have
listed, have some on the Poythress, not a large amount, but what I have have also runs along with your data. would like to exchange
info.
Reginia White Winn reginia@wt.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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12/20/2005 10:15:54
Re:
Michael Tutor
(1) Francis Poythress (1609-c. 1651) m. Mary (c. 1617-aft. 5/1677)
(2) Robert Wynne (c. 1622-1675) m. Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1617)
1. Mary Wynne (c.1655-aft. 1707) m. John Woodlief (c. 1643-c. 1716)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: RE:
> Michael, here I go again: according to your list of deeds, Francis
> Poythress I was born 1609-1651 (Colonel Robert Wynne was born in 1622)
> and Francis was still living in 1651 SO how could his widow, Mary
> Poythress possibly be the mother of Mary Wynne who married John Woodlief
> II? Your records state that Mary Wynne was born about 1646??? Am I
> interpreting your records correctly? Deeds are usually just about as
> reliable record(s) as you can find. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:49 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:
>
> The following list includes every listed deed that I have seen
> mentioning a
> Poythress: Transferring from one format to another always changes the
> format
> in which I originally put the list together. The list is chronological,
> with
> the life span of the individual Poythress, Y/N to indicate whether the
> full
> document is available, the seller of the property, the date of sale, the
>
> number of acres, and if the seller was not a Poythress, the name of the
> Poythress that was mentioned. This list adds another dimension to
> identifying the existence of different individuals and where they were
> involved in transactions.
>
> The identifying life span with the individual in the entry is my
> identification of the individual. These will be looked at more closely
> as
> the different lists are completed and compared to the existing records.
> The
> number of Francis, William and John Poythresses make it neccesary to
> evaluate the life events of each individual to discover the particular
> individual in each record.
>
> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythers, Francis 7/13/1637 400 Charles City Co
> (1609-c. 1651) N Woodliffe, John 7/25/1638 200 Charles City Co Francis
> Poythres
> (1609-c. 1651) Y Poythres, Francis, Captain 5/8/1648 750 Charles City Co
> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 4/1661 50 Charles City Co Captain
> Francis
> Poythres
> (c. 1639-1688) N Poythres, Francis 6/3/1665 450 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Edmonds/Williams 4/20/1680 888 Charles City Co Major
> Poytries
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytres, Francis 9/28/1681 609 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytries, Francis, Major 4/20/1682 750 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hill, Edward, Colonel 11/20/1683 980½ Charles City Co
> Francis Poytheris
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Poytheres, Francis 11/20/1683 1,250 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Goodrich, Charles 4/20/1687 550 Charles City Co Major
> Poytheres
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumfort, James 4/20/1689 50 Charles City Co Major
> Francis
> Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Tapley, Adam 4/21/1690 1,078 Charles City Co Major
> Poythres
> (c. 1660->1711) Y Poythres, Rebecca 4/29/1692 1,000 Charles City Co
> (c. 1640-1712) N Poythres, John 9/20/1699 350 Surry County
> (c. 1640-1712) Y Poythris, John 10/24/1701 350 Charles City Co
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 10/23/1703 609 Charles City Co
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Mumford, Robert 4/26/1704 50 Charles City Co Major
> Francis
> Poythress
> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythress, John 12/11/1704 200 Prince George Co Francis
>
> Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Hamlin, John 5/2/1705 550 Charles City Co Major
> Poythress
> (c. 1639-1688) Y Bland, Richard 11/2/1705 1,254 Mr. Francis Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 6/22/1708 600 Pr. Geo./Surry Co
> (c. 1660->1711) N Bartholomew, Anne 9/10/1711 200 Prince George Co
> Rebecca
> Poythress
> (c. 1660->1711) N Poythress, Rebecca 9/10/1711 300 Prince George Co
> Rebecca
> Poythress
> N Bland, Richard 3/3/1711 430 Prince George Co Mr. Francis Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) N Poythress, Thomas 12/9/1712 100 Pr. Geo. Co Fr.
> Poythres of
> Westover
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 5/12/1713 100 Prince George Co
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr. 6/8/1714 50 Prince George Co of
> Weyanoke
> N Grammar, Peter 7/12/1715 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythres
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythress, John 3/23/1715 100 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
> Geo.
> Co.
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythres, Thomas 3/23/1715 180 Surry County
> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 5/9/1717 500 Surry County
> (c. 1672->1726) Y Poythres, John 7/15/1717 267 Surry County of Pr. Geo.
> Co.
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythres, Joshua 2/10/1717 200 Prince George Co
> N Pace, Richard 11/11/1717 Prince Geo. Co Fr. Poythress, the Elder
> N Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 100 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
> Y Goodwyn, Thomas 11/11/1717 400 Prince George Co Francis Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythres, John, Sr., et al 9/4/1720 1,200 Prince
> George Co
> (c. 1681-1724) N Poythres, John, Jr. 11/8/1720 150 Prince Geo. Co Fr.
> Poythres, the Elder
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythress, Peter 2/14/1720 92 Surry County
> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 4/4/1721 100 Prince George Co Joshua
> Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 9/11/1721 40 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) N Poythres, Robert 9/12/1721 100/267 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 10/4/1721 100 Prince George Co
> N Poythres, Francis 12/11/1721 200 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Poythres, Peter 12/11/1721 200 Prince Geo. Co John, s.
> of
> Fr. Poythres
> (c. 1688-1741) Y Poythres, Joshua 6/22/1722 333 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Golitely, John 2/18/1722 100 Isle of Wight Co Peter
> Poythres
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythres, David 9/5/1723 250 Surry County
> (c. 1681-1724) Y Poythres, John 9/5/1723 200 Isle of Wight Co of Pr.
> Geo.
> Co.
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Robbords, John 9/5/1723 235 David Poythress
> (c. 1672->1726) N Ivie, Adam 12/16/1723 130 Pr. Geo. Co Capt. John/Mr.
> Peter
> Poythress
> Y Poythris, Francis, Captain 7/9/1724 387 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 7/9/1724 206 Prince George Co
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 2/22/1724 248 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 7/9/1725 300 Prince George Co
> (c. 1672->1726) N Poythress, John 7/11/1725 2 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) N Poythres, William 7/11/1725 100 Prince George Co Joshua
> Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Poythres, Peter 7/12/1725 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674->1726) Y Poythres, John, Capt. 10/13/1727 275 Brunswick County
> (1694-1763) Y Poythriss, William 10/13/1727 343 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 3/11/1727 400 Prince George Co
> Y Poythris, Francis, Jr. 9/28/1728 200 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Poythris, Robert 9/28/1728 291 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Glover, Robert 9/28/1728 297 Prince George Co Robert
> Poythris
> (1694-1763) N Poythress, William 5/2/1729 2,000 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Parham, Abraham 9/28/1730 150 Surry County Joshua
> Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) N Eldings/Leath 8/25/1731 248 Prince George Co Thomas
> Poythres
> Y Clark, Joshua 9/28/1732 50 Isle of Wight Co Captain John Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Green, Peter 9/28/1732 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
> (c. 1688-1741) N Poythress, Joshua 10/9/1732 250 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Parrum, Robert 3/22/1732 267 Surry County Robert Poythres
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythris, Thomas 6/20/1733 400 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 1,024 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 297 Prince George Co
> (1694-1763) Y Poythris, William 6/20/1733 381 Prince George Co
> (c. 1683-1749) N Green, Peter 1/28/1733 180 Surry County Thomas Poythres
> (c. 1674-<1763) Y Bland, Richard 2/28/1733 140 Isle of Wight Co Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Hay, Richard 5/25/1734 200 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bridges, William 8/1/1734 425 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Poythress, Joshua 2/27/1734 382 Prince George Co
> William
> Poythress
> (1694-1763) Y Poythress, William, Gent.3/24/1734 400 Prince George Co
> (1690-1743) Y Poythres, Robert 6/17/1735 412 Surry County
> (c. 1685-1740) Y Poythress, David/Robert 7/12/1735 600 Surry County John
>
> Poythres
> (1694-1763) N Moore, Samuel 9/10/1735 100 Prince George Co William
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, Francis 1/10/1735 400 Brunswick County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Mayberry, George 1/10/1735 225 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1710-1760) Y Poythress, John, Gent. 3/17/1736 325 Brunswick County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Bland, Richard 4/19/1737 225 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> Y Cryer, William 1/2/1737 700 Prince George Co Joseph Poythress
> Y Michell, John 2/9/1737 250 Prince George Co John Poythress
> N Poythress, Francis, Gent. 8/1738 Prince George Co
> N Poythress, Charles 9/12/1738 Prince George Co
> N Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/12/1738 Prince George Co
> (c. 1688-1741) N Leath, Charles 3/26/1739 263 Surry County Joshua
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, Francis, Gent.9/22/1739 3,887 Prince George Co
> Y Poythress, Francis 9/22/1739 400 Prince George Co
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Brantley, John 9/22/1739 350 Isle of Wight Co Mr.
> Peter
> Poythress
> (1690-1743) Y Poythress, Robert 9/22/1739 400 Amelia County
> (c. 1685-1740) N Pettway, Edward 9/10/1740 235 Surry County David
> Poythress
> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 1,572 Prince George Co
> Y Poythress, William, Gent. 6/1/1741 200 Prince George Co
> Y Jackson, John 10/15/1741 4,440 Prince Geo./Amelia Joseph Poythress
> (c. 1683-1749) Y Wainwright, George 10/15/1741 399 Prince George Co
> Thomas
> Poythress
> (1690-1743) N Poythress, William 3/15/1741 327 Prince George Co
> (c. 1685-1740) N Avent, Thomas 4/21/1742 200 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> N Claiborne, Burnell 7/10/1745 150 Prince George Co Captain Francis
> Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) Y Poythress, Charles 8/20/1745 300
> (c. 1720-1782) N Leath, John 8/20/1745 400 Surry County Joshua Poythress
> N Stone, William 8/20/1745 700 Amelia County Poythress
> Y Poythress, John, Jr. 9/20/1745 841 Prince George Co
> Y Johnson, Going 7/25/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
> Y Sanders, John 7/25/1746 400 Prince George Co William Poythress
> Y Thomas, Edward 7/25/1746 168 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Grigg, Abner 8/28/1746 300 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Elder, William, Jr. 8/28/1746 280 Prince George Co Robert Poythress
> Y Ornsby, John 8/28/1746 1,703 Prince George Co Poythress
> Y Wagnon, John 9/25/1746 576 Prince George Co William Poythress
> Elder, William 9/25/1746 400 William Poythress
> N Ferguson, Robert 8/20/1747 840 Prince George Co Poytheross
> N Wyatt, Francis 8/20/1747 200 Amelia County Poythress
> Y Williams, Thomas 8/20/1748 1,510 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Poythress, William 9/6/1748 447½ Henrico County
> N Stone, Katherine 12/2/1748 200 Amelia County Robert Poythriss
> N Brewer, Lenire 7/25/1749 150 Brunswick County John Poythress
> Y Darvill, Buffington J. 9/5/1749 1,090 Prince George Co John Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Elder, John 9/5/1749 200 Prince George Co Charles
> Poythress
> Y Wainwright, George 9/5/1749 1,000 Prince George Co Poythress
> N Poythress, William 9/11/1749 450 Amelia County
> (c. 1674-<1763) N Dancy, William 11/11/1749 325 Surry County Peter
> Poythress
> N Boyd, Walter 4/20/1750 450 Amelia County William Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Poythress, Charles 5/29/1751 640 Granville County, NC
> (1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 8/5/1751 324 Prince George Co William
> Poythress
> N Poythress, William 8/3/1752 531 Dinwiddie County
> N Williams, John 4/18/1753 38 Dinwiddie County Wm./Edward Poythress
> N Pettway, Edward 8/16/1756 143 Peter Poythress
> N Draper, James 8/16/1756 149 Amelia County Wm./Joseph Poythress
> Y Turner, Matthew 10/21/1756 100 Bertie County, NC William Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Clark, James 7/17/1758 Surry County Charles Poythress,
> Gent.
> N Gordon, Samuel 8/14/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Dance, Thomas 11/17/1759 447½ Chesterfield Co William Poythress
> N Baird, John 12/11/1759 2 lots Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Brodnax, William 1/13/1760 1 lot Prince George Co William Poythress
> N Gordon, Samuel 2/7/1760 105 Prince George Co William Poythress
> N West, Robert 9/26/1760 100 Dinwiddie County Poythress
> N Cheek, Robert 11/27/1760 212 Granville County, NC Charles Bartholomew
> N Hutchings, Robert 3/18/1761 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Hardy, John 3/18/1761 96 3/4 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Morton, Joseph 10/21/1761 160 Lunenburg County William Portress
> N Williams, Robert 4/21/1762 200 Amelia County Poythress
> N Hutchings, Robert 9/25/1762 16 Dinwiddie County Hannah Poythress
> N Williams, Robert 5/10/1763 200 Amelia County Poythress
> (c. 1720-1782) N Parham, Abraham 5/19/1763 20 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Poythress, Peter 7/7/1763 178 Amelia County
> N Claiborne, Leonard 7/7/1763 225 Dinwiddie County Poythress
> (c. 1720-1782) N Wilkerson, William 11/26/1763 595 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Parham, William 2/16/1764 198 Sussex County Poythress
> N Cryer, William, Jr. 4/23/1764 570 Amelia County Joseph Poythress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Holt, Dibdale 5/21/1764 200 Amelia County Peter
> Poythress
> N Pettway, John 6/21/1764 200 Sussex County Peter Poythress
> Y Thomas/Harper 6/5/1765 400 Dinwiddie County Francis Poythress
> N Atkinson, Roger 9/9/1765 100 Lunenburg County Thomas Prosise
> N Manire, William 5/18/1767 Amelia County Poythris
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/24/1767 50 Amelia County
> N Harper, Joseph, Jr. 3/18/1768 170 Amelia County Poythress
> N Wills, Elias 7/20/1768 204 Amelia County assignee of Fr. Poythress
> N Walker, John 11/17/1768 200 Sussex County Poythress
> N Poythress, John 2/21/1769 248 Lunenburg County
> N Jackson, Robert 3/15/1769 730 Sussex County Peter Poythress
> N Self, Jobe 4/17/1771 150 Bute County, NC Charles Bartholomew
> (c. 1730-1787) N Bland, John 11/12/1771 128 Amelia County Peter
> Poythress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 11/23/1771 6 Brunswick County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Broadnax, William 1/29/1772 200 Sussex County Maj.
> Peter
> Poythress
> (<1718-<1763) N Howell, Isaac 4/6/1772 644 Bute County, NC Charles
> Pouthress
> (c. 1730-1787) N Darwell, Buffington 8/15/1772 32 Dinwiddie County Peter
>
> Poythress
> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Rives, William 5/13/1773 275 Brunswick County Thomas
> Poythress
> (c. 1729-<1801) Y Dawson, John 7/6/1773 525 Brunswick County Thomas
> Poythress
> (c.1726-1805) N Cogbill, Thomas 9/7/1773 161 Chesterfield County Tabitha
>
> Randolph
> (<1718-<1763) N Fitz, Henry 10/23/1773 322 Bute County, NC Charles
> Poytheress
> N Haskins, Christopher 3/24/1774 6 Brunswick County Peter Poythress
> N Poythress, Peter 1/7/1775 198 Sussex County
> (c. 1726-1805) N Randolph, John 5/31/1775 100 Chesterfield County
> Tabitha
> Randolph
> N Poythress, Peter 12/19/1776 133 Sussex County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 5/29/1780 13 Dinwiddie County
> (c. 1730-1787) N Poythress, Peter 6/20/1780 173 Prince George County
> (c. 1729-<1801) N Poythress, Thomas 10/10/1781 584? Brunswick County
> (c. 1760-c. 1845)Y Poythress, Meridith 9/22/1783 50 Brunswick County
> N Poythress, Mary 10/11/1784 177 Sussex County
> N Lewis, James 12/16/1784 100 Sussex County Mary Poythress
> N Cureton, William 6/21/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
> N Cureton, James 6/25/1787 183 Sussex County Poythress
> N 8/12/1787 120 Greene County, GA Francis Poythrys
> N 8/1787 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
> N Call, William, Jr. 9/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Sturdivant, Daniel 10/5/1787 100 Prince George Co Mary Poythress
> N Mitchell, Reaps 12/20/1787 384 Sussex County William Poythress
> (1751-1794) N Parham, Abraham, Jr. 1/17/1788 170 Sussex County Joshua
> Poythress
> N Mitchell, Reaps 8/18/1788 184 Sussex County William Poythress
> N 3/10/1789 250 Greene County, GA Francis Poythryss
> N Birchett, Robert 1/12/1790 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress, Jr., Gent.
> (c. 1765-1810) N McConnice, Chris. 2/25/1790 1 lot Prince George Co Wm.,
> s.
> of Peter Poythress
> N Peters, William 3/17/1790 296 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William, Jr. 5/13/1790 Pr. Geo. County executors of William
>
> Green
> N Poythress, William, Jr. 6/8/1790 296 Prince George Co
> N Marks, Edward 6/8/1790 400 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. P., Jr.(Poythress Qtr.)
> N Poythress, William 7/26/1790 Prince George County
> N Peachey, William S. 10/2/1790 300 Pr. Geo. Co Wm. Poythress (Flowerdew
>
> 100)
> N Poythress, Thomas 8/12/1791 85 Brunswick County
> N Baird, John 8/15/1791 15 Prince George County Wm. Poythress, Jr.
> N Mason, Winfield 2/12/1792 96 Sussex County Mary Poyther
> N Cureton, James 5/9/1792 102 3/4 Prince George County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William 5/9/1792 80½ Prince George County
> N Cureton, William 6/7/1792 40 Sussex County William Poythress
> N Poythress, William 12/5/1794 518 Prince George Co Chas. Duncan
> (Charteris)
> Y Hicks, George 8/20/1795 85 Brunswick County Thomas Poythress
> N Cureton, James 9/21/1798 1,033 Prince George County William Poythress
> N Colley, Nathaniel 9/6/1800 212 Prince George County (Branchester)
> N 12/4/1800 200 Greene County, GA Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Giles, John 1/13/1801 100 Mecklenburg County Lewis
> Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/4/1801 104 Mecklenburg County
> N 11/30/1801 100 Greene County, GA Poythress
> N Poythress, (orphans) 5/8/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Thos. P. of Burke Co.
> N Mattox, William 6/15/1809 200 Prince George Co Poythress
> (c. 1782-1815) N Cleaton, Thomas 7/7/1809 50 Mecklenburg County Peter
> Poythress
> N Poythress, Elizabeth 11/10/1809 Wilkinson County, GA of Hancock Co.
> N Poythress, (orphans) 11/20/1809 Wilkinson Co, GA Fr. P. of Hancock Co.
> N Epes, Peter 1/1811 Pr. Geo. Co Joshua, Wm., Thos. P.
> (c. 1769->1817) N Dickson, John/Robt. 7/13/1812 Burke County, GA Edward
> Poythress
> (c. 1780-1824) N Epes, Peter 12/1812 Prince George County Patrick H.
> Poythress
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 11/3/1813 33 Mecklenburg County
> N Risque, James B. 11/14/1815 100 Chesterfield County Poythress
> (Bloomsbury)
> (c. 1770-<1850) N Poythress, Lewis 4/20/1816 138 Mecklenburg County
> (c. 1780->1830) N Poythress, Lilly 11/27/1820 160 Faulkner Co., Arkansas
> of
> VA
> (c. 1765-1832) N Poythress, George 5/8/1821 Georgia of Burke Co., GA
> N Poythress, Meredith 12/9/1823 202½ Houston County, GA of Screven Co.,
> GA
> (c. 1785-1828) N Poythress, Cleaton 11/27/1824 Georgia of Screven Co.,
> GA
> Y Poytress, Littlebury H. 7/23/1825 150 Granville County, NC
> N Poythress, James P. 6/21/1827 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
> N Poythress, James P. 1/26/1829 Georgia of Screven Co., GA
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12/20/2005 10:28:07
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
Deloris,
I am not sure what you are saying here. Would you make it absolutely clear
to me? I would appreciate it......Thank you, Mike
SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
documentation. Deloris
From R. Bolling Batte:
7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of Peter Jones and
Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
+ 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
+ 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
28 v. Frances Wynne.
29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
+ 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.
24. Peter Wynne (Joshua Wynne2, Mary ______1) died ABT 1738 in Prince George
County, VA. He married Frances Anderson. She died 1725.
Child of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson is:
81 i. Peter Wynne.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's 'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County, to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith, one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish, in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160 acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729) was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne (c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700, in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter, Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke. I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young. Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county, before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco, and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco. There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished." This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more." Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town. Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c. 1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county, he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until 1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County, and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress' half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines (1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck, and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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12/20/2005 10:57:42
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
12/21/2005 5:45:31
Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
12/21/2005 9:47:44
VA-Southside
John M. Poythress
There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
Maynard
----- Original Message -----
From: qvarizona
To: Paul Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
Paul.
When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
only a polite man of good manners?
Joanne
*****
An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
consistently.
One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
"noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
(or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
not have been appreciated.
Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
(Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
"Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
Century"
Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
Paul Drake JD
Genealogist & Author
______________________________
12/21/2005 10:47:33
RE: VA-Southside
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Maynard,
Do you happen to know about the title Esquire?
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
Maynard
----- Original Message -----
From: qvarizona
To: Paul Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
Paul.
When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
only a polite man of good manners?
Joanne
*****
An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
consistently.
One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
"noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
(or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
not have been appreciated.
Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
(Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
"Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
Century"
Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
Paul Drake JD
Genealogist & Author
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12/22/2005 4:09:03
RE: VA-Southside
Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
Well I looked it up. I forgot I have a dictionary of genealogy.
Esquire -- In the Middle Ages a squire (escutifer) carried the shield and
other armour of the lord or knight he served, but this duty passed later to
pages. Squiers in this sense were of gentle family. By the sixteenth
century, Esquire was a title acquired by holding an office under the Crown,
and so was not necessarily superior to `gentlema`, but in practice such
office-holding carried distinction. Esquires proper held Crown commissions
as Justices of the Peace, army officers, Royal Navy commanders (but not
junior naval officers), the common hangman, etc. The modern courtesy use of
the style became common in the nineteenth century. The squire in a country
parish was the colloquial designation for the lor of the manor, or chief
landowner.
Well it seems like that title has changed often so I guess we would have to
know what century the person lived to know what the title meant to whom.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
Maynard,
Do you happen to know about the title Esquire?
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
Maynard
----- Original Message -----
From: qvarizona
To: Paul Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
Paul.
When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
only a polite man of good manners?
Joanne
*****
An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
consistently.
One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
"noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
(or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
not have been appreciated.
Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
(Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
"Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
Century"
Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
Paul Drake JD
Genealogist & Author
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12/22/2005 4:18:22
RE: VA-Southside
John M. Poythress
Sheryl, it has been my experience that in the colonial time frame,
esquire (commonly abbreviated "Esq.")frequently meant an office holder
of some description but MOST often (but not
always) meant "lawyer." And given that the requirement for becoming a
lawyer was only to "read" with an existing lawyer
(as opposed to passing a bar exam) my guess is that the quality of
lawyering was fairly uneven.
Since I have been puzzling over the matter for some few years now, I
have sort of been in an unofficial "survey" mode; I'll give my comments
whatever authority they deserve from having wondered a blue million
times but not an "official" answer.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff and Sheryl Townsend [mailto:c.s.townsend@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: VA-Southside
Well I looked it up. I forgot I have a dictionary of genealogy.
Esquire -- In the Middle Ages a squire (escutifer) carried the shield
and
other armour of the lord or knight he served, but this duty passed later
to
pages. Squiers in this sense were of gentle family. By the sixteenth
century, Esquire was a title acquired by holding an office under the
Crown,
and so was not necessarily superior to `gentlema`, but in practice such
office-holding carried distinction. Esquires proper held Crown
commissions
as Justices of the Peace, army officers, Royal Navy commanders (but not
junior naval officers), the common hangman, etc. The modern courtesy
use of
the style became common in the nineteenth century. The squire in a
country
parish was the colloquial designation for the lor of the manor, or chief
landowner.
Well it seems like that title has changed often so I guess we would have
to
know what century the person lived to know what the title meant to whom.
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
Maynard,
Do you happen to know about the title Esquire?
sheryl
-----Original Message-----
There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
Maynard
----- Original Message -----
From: qvarizona
To: Paul Drake
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
Paul.
When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
only a polite man of good manners?
Joanne
*****
An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
consistently.
One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
"noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
(or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
not have been appreciated.
Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
(Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
"Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
Century"
Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
Paul Drake JD
Genealogist & Author
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12/22/2005 5:48:26
Re: VA-Southside
Michael Tutor
Very appropriate for this period of time...the "dumbing down of America."
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: VA-Southside
> Maynard,
> Do you happen to know about the title Esquire?
> sheryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
> Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
> Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: qvarizona
> To: Paul Drake
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
>
>
> Paul.
>
> When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
> only a polite man of good manners?
>
> Joanne
> *****
> An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
> and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
> away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
> criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
>
> Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
> noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
> former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
> said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
> that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
> surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
> commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
> consistently.
>
> One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
> standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
> "noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
> (or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
> viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
> not have been appreciated.
>
> Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
> standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
> to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
> addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
> quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
>
> The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
> it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
> earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
> the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
> (Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
> sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
> "Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
>
> For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
> these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
> Century"
>
>
> Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
> Paul Drake JD
> Genealogist & Author
>
>
>
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>
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12/22/2005 7:36:37
Re: VA-Southside
Julie Cabitto
Thanks for the info. I do find it interesting.
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 5:47 AM
Subject: VA-Southside
> There is a genealogy author who holds class from time to time on the VA
> Southside wire and delivers some pretty interesting stuff.
> Here is a sample. Thought others might be interested.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: qvarizona
> To: Paul Drake
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: "Gentlemen"
>
>
> Paul.
>
> When did this practice fade away and the term "gentleman" begin to mean
> only a polite man of good manners?
>
> Joanne
> *****
> An answer to that specific and often asked question is, in the late 19th
> and early 20th Century as Victorian manners of speaking gradually faded
> away. Your ancestors would gag to hear the TV news folks call low-life
> criminals "that gentleman" or "Mr.".
>
> Your use of the word "noble" in conjunction with gentleman is
> noteworthy, since those words usually had very different meanings. The
> former were born to nobility, and it could be gained no other way. That
> said, the records/writings of the 17th and early 18th Century reveal
> that those who had been knighted were SOMETIMES viewed as nobility, but
> surely not always. As an example, occasionally, Sir Francis Drake (a
> commoner knighted by Elizabeth I) was referred to as a nobleman, but not
> consistently.
>
> One could become a gentleman or gentlelady by achieving affluence or
> standing in the community, however they could not thereby become
> "noble". Similarly, members of the nobility might be called gentlemen
> (or gentlewomen), however those of nobility would be expected to have
> viewed being so addressed as beneath their station, and such usage would
> not have been appreciated.
>
> Finally, the term "Mr." was an indication of a person of the highest
> standing, and just below the nobility. The term was almost NEVER applied
> to other than men of very high position. The VA Burgesses usually were
> addressed as "Mister", however when they were no longer in office, they
> quite usually were not any longer so labeled.
>
> The term "Mrs." likewise revealed a lady of VERY high standing, however
> it was exceedingly rare for a lady to be a "Mrs." unless her husband had
> earned the title of "Mr.". In that regard, it is interesting that in
> the Surry Tithables lists for a couple years in the 1670s Judith
> (Burton?) Hunt Parker was listed as "Mrs. Parker", yet her husband,
> sometimes "Dr.", usually pewterer Richard Parker was not referred to as
> "Mr.". Why, I have not been able to learn.
>
> For your interest, Philip Bruce has a most interesting discussion of the
> these matters of titles in his "Economic History of VA in the 17th
> Century"
>
>
> Genealogy without documentation is nothing.
> Paul Drake JD
> Genealogist & Author
>
>
>
> ______________________________
>
>
>
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12/23/2005 8:17:26
Captain Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, 4th Generation
Michael Tutor
The Fourth Generation: Captain Robert Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on Robert Poythress
[282 Robert Poythress. He was a soldier in the Revolution. I was told by a
lady of Memphis, now deceased, that Robert Poythress died in January 1782 in
Charleston, S. C. without issue. No record was cited.]
Family
Captain Robert Poythress was born about 1725, in Prince George County, the
son of Robert Poythress and Elizabeth (Cocke). It is quite possible that
Robert had a son and heir as Polly Poythress claimed to be his heir in an
1844 claim rejection. He died near Charleston, South Carolina, in January,
1782.
Inheritance
On September 13, 1743, the Will of Robert's father, Mr. Robert Poythress, of
Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, was proved by Richard
Bland, William Batte and William Poythress. He appointed his brother,
William Poythress, Colonel Richard Bland and Mr. John Gilliam to divide his
estate. He appointed his wife, Elizabeth, and his sons, Robert and Peter to
be executors of his Will. He gave his son, Robert, all of his lands on
which
he lived, containing 1,100 acres, and 291 acres, adjoining the Butterwood
Swamp, and nine negroes, Tom boy, Mingo, Charles, Judy, Bett, Jenny, Sarah,
George and Boatswin. His son also received 1/4th of his furniture, a share
of the stocks and 1/4th share of the remainder of his estate. The court was
held at Fitzgerald's.
Robert Poythress (I) received 350 acres at the Indian swamp from his father,
John Poythress, in his December 11, 1712, Will. On May 9, 1717, Robert
Poythress (I) bought 500 acres, in Prince George County, from Stith
Bolling.
On September 12, 1721, Robert exchanged 267 acres with William Parham for
100 acres in Martins Brandon, Prince George County. On March 22, 1732,
Robert leased 267 acres at the Indian swamp to John Parham. On September
28,
1728, Robert bought 291 acres at the Butterwood swamp, in Prince George
County, which he left to his son, Captain Robert Poythress, in his 1743
Will. On July 12, 1735, Robert bought 600 acres from his brother, David
Poythress, part of which, Tanotoro, was left by John Poythress to his son,
David Poythress, in his 1712 Will. Robert left this land to his son,
Colonel
Peter Poythress, in his 1743 Will. On September 28, 1728, Robert had land
adjacent to the 297 acres bought by Robert Glover, in Prince George County.
He left this property to his son, Colonel Peter Poythress, in his 1743
Will.
On June 17, 1735, Robert bought 412 acres, in Surry County, from Thomas
Bolling, Mariner, which he left to his son, William Poythress, in his 1743
Will. On June 1, 1741, Robert bought 400 acres, in Amelia county, that he
left to his son, William, in his 1743 Will.
In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, the charges were denominated in pounds of
tobacco, for which it was likely warehouse receipts were used to pay the
bill. Robert Poythress, William Glascock, his Guardian. May, 1763, entering
for Order for attendance versus Cryer, trial, judgement. June, 1763,
dismissed versus C. Poythress' executor.
Professional life
Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, was a Captain in the Continental
Service. He enlisted several other soldiers into service. He was stated to
have enlisted in the service in 1776, and after serving some time around
Williamsburg, he marched to the South in what was termed the Southern
Regiment and continued in service until the commencement of the year 1781.
Micajah Webb stated that he had served with Captain Poythress under General
Greene and was in the same capacity when Poythress died near Charleston,
not
returning to Prince George County. Webb believed that Robert Poythress
never
got any compensation for his service. R. Bolling Batte was told by a lady
of
Memphis, now deceased, that Robert Poythress died in January, 1782, in
Charleston, South Carolina.
An 1844 claim rejection appears to have been carefully orchestrated by
counsel for the claimant Polly Poythress, the "heiress" of Captain Robert
Poythress. Depositions of Micajah Webb, Rebecca Mitchell and Polly
Poythress, together with the petition of Polly Poythress herself were
essentially identical even to the specific wording. The deponents claimed
ages in the range of 70 years. Other documents in the claim file were
various affidavits attesting to the signatures of the deponents and
affidavits attesting to the signatures of the affidavit givers. All
deponents claimed to have been well acquainted with Robert Poythress, "who
was a Captain in the Continental service."
On December 6, 1776, in the Virginia Gazette, "Prince George County,
November 23, 1776. Contrary to my desire, and express order, my servant
man,
James Bullock, enlisted with Mr. Robert Poythress, an officer, he says,
under Captain Scott, of the Georgia service; upon which I demanded my
servant of the said Poythress, without effect. This is therefore to request
of Captain Scott to have my said servant returned to me without delay or
farther expense, or I shall certainly prosecute him according to law. James
Anderson."
On February 2, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "Fredericksburg, January 6,
1777. Deserted from my troop of light horse, about the 1st of November
last,
George West, 5 feet 11 inches high, very slender made, born in Hanover, has
dark hair, and is 18 years old. James McCallion, upwards of 6 feet high,
born in Newcastle, Pennsylvania, has dark hair and blue eyes, stoops in his
shoulders, and is 24 years old. The said McCallion, I am informed, has
enlisted under one Robert Poythress, who was recruiting for the Georgia
service under Captain Scott. I therefore forewarn the said Scott or
Poythress from carrying him out of this colony, and will give 20 dollars
reward to any person who will secure the said deserter and deliver him to
General Lewis, or his Excellency the Governour in Williamsburg, and 10
dollars reward for securing West, on delivering him to either of the above
mentioned gentlemen. Richard Call."
On January, 8, 1782, the British were in control of Charlestown, which they
had captured in May, 1780. On that same day, 30 miles westward, the General
Assembly of South Carolina's Revolutionary government met at Jacksonboro on
the Edisto River. By February 26, they had passed several Confiscation
Acts.
The lists of names accompanying the Acts were printed in the March 20,
1782,
issue of Charlestown's Royal Gazette and was updated several times by the
end of the war.
Adjoining Property
On August 28, 1746, William Elder, Jr., was granted 280 acres, in Prince
George County, on the south side of Butterwood Swamp, adjoining Peter
Wynne,
Samuel Moore and Robert Poythress.
On August 28, 1746, John Ornsby, clerk, was granted 1,703 acres, in Prince
George County, on both sides of Butterwood Swamp and Road and bounded by
Goodwin's corner in the County lines on the south side of the swamp,
adjoining Eaton, Ellington, Reece, over the Road, adjoining Claiborne,
Watson, to the County, adjoining Trent, to a corner in the County line by
the Road, and along the County line.
On December 2, 1748, in Amelia County, the Will of William Stone, dated
December 2, 1748. One legatee, among many, daughter, Katherine Stone, 200
acres, lying between the lines of George Hill, Robert Poythress, and
Richard
Parr.
Court Cases and Controversy
On February 9, 1744, James Clark received of Mr. Robert Poythress the sum
of
£22, 14 shillings and 2 pence.
On July 9, 1772, in the Virginia Gazette, taken away, on the 28th of May
last, from Northumberland Courthouse, by one Robert Poythress, from Amelia
County, a negro slave, named Dick, belonging to the subscriber; he is a
black fellow, about 20 years of age, five feet seven inches high, very
likely and sensible, has been brought up in the house as a waiter, is very
skillful in the care of horses, and a good rider. He is well known by many
Gentlemen and in all the towns in Virginia, as he always waited on me
whenever I went from home, and is also known by some in Carolina, but is
much grown since he was there. The said Robert Poythress pretends that he
bought him; but his not having either a Bill of Sale or a receipt for the
money, sufficiently proves it to be false. This is to forewarn all persons
from purchasing or entertaining him, as they may expect to have the law put
in execution to the utmost extent. I do likewise offer a reward of £10 to
any person that brings the said slave to me, in Lancaster, if taken in this
Colony, and £20 if out thereof. John Wormeley.
In July, 1773, in the Chesterfield County, the court dismissed the suit of
Robert Poythress, plaintiff, versus Robert Elam, defendant, in case.
On September 26, 1782, in Greensville County, John Wormeley, plaintiff,
against Benjamin Hicks, defendant, in detinue. Case was discontinued for
want of prosecution. Benjamin Hicks at the suit of John Wormeley, in
detinue. The deposition of Benjamin Williams, Greensville County, State of
Virginia, August 24, 1782, Benjamin Williams, of Amelia County, being first
duly sworn by John Lucas, a Justice for the said County, on the holy
Evangelists, deposes and says that as well as he can remember, in May,
1772,
he was at Northumberland Courthouse attending on a horse of Peter Stoner's
which he rode against a horse of John Wormeley's and in the course of the
week, Robert Poythress, and John Wormley entered into card playing and the
said Robert Poythress won of John Wormley a large quantity of tobacco to
the
amount of twenty or twenty two thousand weight but believes it was twenty
two thousand and in a few days after in my presence, John Wormley offered
his negro man, Dick, for sale to Robert Poythress in discharge of the said
tobacco, which said Wormley had lost with said Poythress on condition that
Robert Poythress would let the fellow stay with his horse until the race
was
run as he said he could not do well without him. Soon after that at Muse's
Store, about four hundred yards from the Courthouse the said Poythress
asked
the said negro, Dick, whether he would be willing to serve him, as his
master had offered him for sale, Dick agreed to go if he was to be sold;
after that Robert Poythress applied to John Wormley to buy the fellow that
he had offered and in my presence John Wormley made answer, you shall have
the fellow as I proposed pointing towards the negro, Dick, and said there
he
is, he is yours, which Poythress agreed to; but I must have the fellow said
Wormley until after my race is run as I first observed. Robert Poythress's
answer was if he would be of a any service to you until then you are
welcome
to him until then; but what the price was that Robert Poythress was to give
I do not remember but from what I could understand from them, the negro was
to pay the debt won of Wormley, and whatsoever was done after I never heard
whether Wormley delivered the negro or not; until he was called on by
Benjamin Hicks as a witness, and further this deponent saith not. "John
Lucas" this deposition ordered to be recorded on the motion of the said
Benjamin Hicks.
Family Estates
In December, 1745, in Charles City County, the Will of Samuel Harwood,
Gentleman, deceased, was presented by Agnes Harwood, one of the executors,
and proved by Peter Fontain, Robert Poythress and Mary Ann Minge.
After Robert Poythress' Death
On June 2, 1795, in Amelia County, Samuel Jordan, assignee of Robert
Poythress, plaintiff, versus Edward Bland, administrator, in the right of
his wife Lettice, of Nelson Jones, deceased, defendant, in debt. Abated by
plaintiff's death.
On June, 1794, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, of Chesterfield
County, daughter of Robert Poythress, late of Prince George County,
deceased, a deed to Henry Archer [son-in-law], of Chesterfield County, for
£100, 1/5th interest in 8 negroes and their increase devised by her father,
Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, in his Will dated May 24, 1743,
in which Will said Robert Poythress provided that his wife should have a
life interest in the said negroes and their increase should be equally
divided between the three sons of the said Robert Poythress, viz. Robert,
Peter and William Poythress, and such of the testators daughters as were
married at the time of their mother's death. The said Tabitha being married
at the time of her mother's death conveys this interest. In 1794, in
Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, one of the daughters and legatees of
Robert Poythress, deceased, versus William Mayo, acting executor of Peter
Poythress, deceased. The court ordered the commissioners to set aside to
said plaintiff certain negroes out of the estate of Robert Poythress,
deceased, with the increase since his death, and also estimate hire from
the
death of said Peter Poythress, and make report to this court. Summary Bill
of Complaint. Elizabeth Poythress possessed herself of 12 slaves according
to the will of Robert Poythress. She died many years after her husband,
surviving her sons, Robert and William. The slaves then devolved to their
brother, Peter. Until her death, Elizabeth Poythress lived with or near
said
Peter and he had management of her affairs. He was entitled to 3/5 of the
slaves at her death in behalf of himself and his two deceased brothers,
William and Robert. At that time, only 2 of the testator's daughters were
unmarried, the oratrix, Tabitha Randolph, and her sister, Elizabeth
Gilliam.
Peter continued to keep under his care the 8 negroes of which he was 3/5
owner. He died a few years past. William Mayo, Esquire, was the acting
executor of the said Peter Poythress and continued to hold possession of
the
said 8 slaves, though often requested to give the oratrix her share. She
desired an accounting of the 8 slaves and their issue and sex be given,
then
her 1/5 of said slaves and 1/5 of labor since the death of said Peter
Poythress to be allotted to her.
Rebecca Lifesay Mitchell's statement, in 1844, that Captain Poythress had
"one only son that she knows of" contradicts R. Bolling Batte's "lady of
Memphis" who said that Robert died without issue. However, it is likely
that
Robert had some kind of heiress who would be the claimant Polly. Polly
could
either be the unmarried daughter of Robert Poythress or, to fit Mitchell's
story, Polly could be the wife of Robert Poythress' "one only son" and
still
be the heiress of Robert. Polly Poythress, in her deposition, stated that
she was submitting a claim for the land bounty due him for his service
during the War. She stated that she was a citizen of Prince George County
and that she was the heiress of Robert Poythress. She said that Robert was
in the service of his country in the year 1776 in what was called the
southern Regiment, that he continued in said service until his death in
1781, and that he was a citizen of Prince George County. After serving a
while around Williamsburg, he went to the south and continued in said
service until 1781 and died near Charleston. She knew of no other heirs of
Robert but herself. Her deposition was dated April 24, 1835.
12/29/2005 8:43:35
Colonel Peter Poythress, of Branchester, in Prince George County, Burgess, 4th Generation
Michael Tutor
12/29/2005 9:41:47
Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
Barbara P. Neal
A friend mentioned this to me & I thought the below appeal would be of
interest to some of you who may have had ancestors who were early
settlers in east Georgia.
Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com) and Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
have been working hard the last few years editing, researching, and
indexing 150+ family sketches that have been sent in for publication
in "East Georgia Settlers." They need more articles. Each
sketch/article should be regarding one family group who moved to one of
the EGGS counties from some other area. If you have any questions, or
want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these ladies with EGGS:
Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
The EGGS has a website you may wish to see:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaeggs/
One does not have to be a member of EGGS (East Georgia Genealogical
Society) to enter a sketch/article. Again, for more info, or questions,
or if you want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these
ladies with EGGS:
Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
12/30/2005 9:24:25
Re: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
Thanks Barbara,
I know Faye Poss. She use to work with Wayne.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2005/12/30 Fri PM 07:24:25 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
>
> A friend mentioned this to me & I thought the below appeal would be of
> interest to some of you who may have had ancestors who were early
> settlers in east Georgia.
>
> Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com) and Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
> have been working hard the last few years editing, researching, and
> indexing 150+ family sketches that have been sent in for publication
> in "East Georgia Settlers." They need more articles. Each
> sketch/article should be regarding one family group who moved to one of
> the EGGS counties from some other area. If you have any questions, or
> want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these ladies with EGGS:
> Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
> or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
>
> EGGS counties are: Banks, Barrow, Butts, Clarke, Columbia, Elbert,
> Franklin, Glascock, Greene, Gwinnett, Hancock, Hart, Jackson, Jasper,
> Lincoln, Madison, McDuffie, Morgan, Newton, Oconee, Oglethorpe, Putnam,
> Rockdale, Stephens, Taliaferro, Walton, Warren and Wilkes.
>
> The EGGS has a website you may wish to see:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaeggs/
>
> One does not have to be a member of EGGS (East Georgia Genealogical
> Society) to enter a sketch/article. Again, for more info, or questions,
> or if you want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these
> ladies with EGGS:
> Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
> or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
>
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12/30/2005 12:30:53
RE: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
John M. Poythress
Interesting that "their ground" is really NORTH-East
Georgia inasmuch as it excludes Screven & Burke, both of which are dead
in the middle of Georgia latitude and about as far east as you can
get....if one swims the next 150 yards east from Burke or Screven (the
Savannah R. in theory belongs to GA) he or she is then out of GA and I'm
reckoning that's about as far east as one can get.
Whatever, they're paying the dues, they can call their tune.
I will be following their webpage though....they include Greene County
to which (I'm trying to convince myself) a Francis Poythress immigrated
independent of (and likely before)the Thomas crowd that went to Burke.
I'm also inclined to think that the Hardiman Poythress fellow who shows
up only once witnessing a Greene deed or something is his brother or
perhaps son.
And George himself fiddled around with some real estate in Wilkes County
when he got his hands on his rich new wife's money.
Thanks for keeping us posted, Barb.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
A friend mentioned this to me & I thought the below appeal would be of
interest to some of you who may have had ancestors who were early
settlers in east Georgia.
Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com) and Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
have been working hard the last few years editing, researching, and
indexing 150+ family sketches that have been sent in for publication
in "East Georgia Settlers." They need more articles. Each
sketch/article should be regarding one family group who moved to one of
the EGGS counties from some other area. If you have any questions, or
want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these ladies with
EGGS:
Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
The EGGS has a website you may wish to see:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaeggs/
One does not have to be a member of EGGS (East Georgia Genealogical
Society) to enter a sketch/article. Again, for more info, or questions,
or if you want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these
ladies with EGGS:
Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
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12/31/2005 5:22:16
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
Michael, who is/was R. Bolling Batte? (I have not previously read
anything that he wrote). Has he been published or precisely, where did
you find his information regarding the early Wynne family? I find some
of his quotes quite new and innovative. I have been reviewing my Joshua
and Thomas Wynne records/data and will follow up when I hear from you.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675
in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably
Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from
England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died
1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died
AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died
in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
(c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
(1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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12/31/2005 5:40:08
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Randy Jones
Batte's great card files can be found at:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/bio/BA.html
The URL above gives a short biography of him as well. When he died in 1996, he gave his 30,000 cardfile to LVA. It's all documented, and is a treasure trove of the old Virginia families. Evidently LVA thought enough of him to go to the time and expense to put it all online. I have found that, within the limits that genealogy as a dynamic endeavor, he is reasonably accurate. DIana Diamond has put most if not all of the files in a linked database online on Rootsweb WorldConnect/Ancestry.
-- Randy Jones
Deloris Riley wrote:
John, thank you for your prompt reply. Although I did not receive a
Poythress CD, all I wanted to know was if Mr. Batte had published a book
or books and what his basic credentials were. My only interest is his
reference to the Wynnes. He offers information that is completely new
and, obviously, by the many "blanks" in his Wynne info, he has not done
any serious research on the Wynne family and when one doesn't know for
sure, it is dangerous to make undocumented inferences UNLESS one notes
that it is "speculation" ONLY. i.e., he wrote that Mary Wynne, only
daughter of Colonel Robert Wynne was born after 1655 and that she
married John Woodlief, born in 1614.
Mr. Battes states "The Wynnes came to America about 1651" Who is he
referring to--I am assuming Colonel Robert Wynne but I never heard of
any other Wynne coming with him at the same time; maybe so but why has
no one ever known it before? He also says Peter Wynne married Frances
Anderson and this has long been disproved by the pre-nuptial agreement
of 1712 between Joshua Wynne and Frances Cocke Anderson (Joshua's second
wife), etc., etc. In reference to Joshua Wynne being killed by the
Indians, he states that "upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the
Wynne's were the aggressors and that they never rest without revenge.
The Indians said that they and the Wynnes' were equal. . ." As far as
I know the Wynnes' names were not used in this manner at the trial. He
also refers to Thomas being with his brother at the time, which no
historian has ever said before. Again, I suppose I should let this go,
but I just hate to see so much incorrect data being thrown out there to
unsuspecting new genealogists. Please forgive me if I sound too
"strong" but this is a subject I feel "strongly" about. If one's
specialty is the Poythress family, "great" but one is skating on thin
ice when one tries to branch out into unfamiliar territory, right? It
would be like me trying to tell someone the history of the Poythress
family. Thank you for hearing me out. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Deloris....check the "Poythress in Virginia" CD-Rom under
"Batte on Poythress." The intro (first file) gives a
biography on Mr. Batte (1906-1996). I didn't keep a list of all to whom
I sent the CD so if you were omitted send me a snail mail and I'll be
happy to mail you one.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Michael, who is/was R. Bolling Batte? (I have not previously read
anything that he wrote). Has he been published or precisely, where did
you find his information regarding the early Wynne family? I find some
of his quotes quite new and innovative. I have been reviewing my Joshua
and Thomas Wynne records/data and will follow up when I hear from you.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675
in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably
Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from
England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died
1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died
AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died
in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
(c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
(1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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12/31/2005 5:56:12
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
John M. Poythress
Deloris....check the "Poythress in Virginia" CD-Rom under
"Batte on Poythress." The intro (first file) gives a
biography on Mr. Batte (1906-1996). I didn't keep a list of all to whom
I sent the CD so if you were omitted send me a snail mail and I'll be
happy to mail you one.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Michael, who is/was R. Bolling Batte? (I have not previously read
anything that he wrote). Has he been published or precisely, where did
you find his information regarding the early Wynne family? I find some
of his quotes quite new and innovative. I have been reviewing my Joshua
and Thomas Wynne records/data and will follow up when I hear from you.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675
in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably
Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from
England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died
1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died
AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died
in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
(c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
(1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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12/31/2005 7:24:10
RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Deloris Riley
John, thank you for your prompt reply. Although I did not receive a
Poythress CD, all I wanted to know was if Mr. Batte had published a book
or books and what his basic credentials were. My only interest is his
reference to the Wynnes. He offers information that is completely new
and, obviously, by the many "blanks" in his Wynne info, he has not done
any serious research on the Wynne family and when one doesn't know for
sure, it is dangerous to make undocumented inferences UNLESS one notes
that it is "speculation" ONLY. i.e., he wrote that Mary Wynne, only
daughter of Colonel Robert Wynne was born after 1655 and that she
married John Woodlief, born in 1614.
Mr. Battes states "The Wynnes came to America about 1651" Who is he
referring to--I am assuming Colonel Robert Wynne but I never heard of
any other Wynne coming with him at the same time; maybe so but why has
no one ever known it before? He also says Peter Wynne married Frances
Anderson and this has long been disproved by the pre-nuptial agreement
of 1712 between Joshua Wynne and Frances Cocke Anderson (Joshua's second
wife), etc., etc. In reference to Joshua Wynne being killed by the
Indians, he states that "upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the
Wynne's were the aggressors and that they never rest without revenge.
The Indians said that they and the Wynnes' were equal. . ." As far as
I know the Wynnes' names were not used in this manner at the trial. He
also refers to Thomas being with his brother at the time, which no
historian has ever said before. Again, I suppose I should let this go,
but I just hate to see so much incorrect data being thrown out there to
unsuspecting new genealogists. Please forgive me if I sound too
"strong" but this is a subject I feel "strongly" about. If one's
specialty is the Poythress family, "great" but one is skating on thin
ice when one tries to branch out into unfamiliar territory, right? It
would be like me trying to tell someone the history of the Poythress
family. Thank you for hearing me out. Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Deloris....check the "Poythress in Virginia" CD-Rom under
"Batte on Poythress." The intro (first file) gives a
biography on Mr. Batte (1906-1996). I didn't keep a list of all to whom
I sent the CD so if you were omitted send me a snail mail and I'll be
happy to mail you one.
Best,
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
Michael, who is/was R. Bolling Batte? (I have not previously read
anything that he wrote). Has he been published or precisely, where did
you find his information regarding the early Wynne family? I find some
of his quotes quite new and innovative. I have been reviewing my Joshua
and Thomas Wynne records/data and will follow up when I hear from you.
Deloris Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675
in
VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably
Newent,
Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from
England,
in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died
1675
in Charles City County, VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
+ 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died
AFT
1694 in ~ Virginia.
3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
+ 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major",
and died ABT 1688 in VA.
+ 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died
in
VA.
Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
+ 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
Virginia,
and died 1715.
+ 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
+ 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
1717.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
with
> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
Wynne,
> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
our
> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
corrected
> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
to
> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
know
> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
GENEALOGIST,
> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
> documentation. Deloris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
> cousins.
> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>
> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
Interpreter
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
> Peter
> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>
> Family
> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
> City
> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
> Robert
> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
> man
> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
> October
> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
an
>
> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
to
> his
> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
> Jones
> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
fort
> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
> and
> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
> that
> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
> who
> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
Anderson;
> (2)
> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
> Worsham
> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
Edward
>
> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
> Mary;
> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
> William
> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
> Indians
> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
'great'
> men.
> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
> aggressors
> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
and
> the
> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
> that
> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>
> Son, Peter Wynne
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
to
> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
> acres, on
> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
> Wynne,
> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>
> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
> Hamlin,
> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
administration
> to
> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
one
> of
> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
granted
>
> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
> Meredith
> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
was
> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
Wynne
> his
> security.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
> Elder,
> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
> the
> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
Joseph
>
> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
> lived,
> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
Poythress
>
> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
said
> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
> Bonner
> and Thomas Poythress.
> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
> Goodwynn
> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
in
> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
> lands
> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
> back of
> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
and
>
> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
> named
> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
> Thomas
> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
on
> the
> day and year within mentioned.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
> Poythress,
> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
John
>
> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
> languishes.
> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
> Thomas
> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
> witnesses.
>
> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
> John
> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
acres,
> on
> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
> were
> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
> witnessed
> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
Anne
>
> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
> Eldridge
> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
and
>
> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
was
>
> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
Fleming
> and
> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
(c.
>
> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>
> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
proved
> October 1, 1729.
> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
> son,
> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
> daughter,
> my granddaughter.
> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
Coldwater
>
> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
> To son, William, items.
> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
> Martha
> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
> To grandson, Isham Epes.
> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
> and
> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
witnesses
> were
> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>
> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
> John
> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
in
>
> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
witness
> in
> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
appraiser
> of
> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
> left a
> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
Chesterfield
>
> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
Will:
> The
> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
> dated
> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
Margaret,
> wife
> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
> woman
> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
> forever. I
> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
heirs
> for
> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
> possession.
> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
> man,
> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
> by
> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
I
> also
> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
> gift of
> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
> the
> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
> Wynne. I
> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
> Mary
> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
steers.
> I
> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
> Wynne,
> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
my
> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
> James,
> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
> held
> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
> by my
> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
> rest of
> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
and
>
> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my
> seal
> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
> Thomas
> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
> 1719 on
> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
> Jones
> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
> Cocke
> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>
> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
> Westover
> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
> my
> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
John
>
> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
of
>
> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
> Edward
> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
> Ann
> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
> 1690-c.
> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
> Anderson.
> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
> George
> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
> the
> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
> Pace,
> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
Hamlin.
>
> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
> Richard
> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
of
> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
> acres, in
> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
the
> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
Goodrich's
> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
> said
> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
> west
> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
> the
> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
the
> run
> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
plantation
>
> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
> path at
> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
> running
> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
> chains to
> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
> and
> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
Poythress
> and
> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
> of
> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
> daughter
> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
> Wynne
> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
Sheriff.
>
> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
> 1720.
> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
> third
> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
the
> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
and
> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
> their
> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
> featherbed.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
one
> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
land
>
> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
> to
> him and his heirs for ever.
> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
> High
> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
and
> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
> heirs
> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
> Prince
> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
> Richard
> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
> hereafter
> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
> if
> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
> each of
> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
my
> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
> making
> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
hereunto
>
> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
> court
> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
Tuesday,
>
> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
> proved
> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
> witnesses
> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
> the
> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
> Certificate
> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>
> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
> Irby,
> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
> the
> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
> return
> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
> (1694-1729)
> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>
> Son, Robert Wynne
> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
> probated May 21, 1718.
> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
> shilling each.
> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
> then
> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
David
> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>
> Professional Life
> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
> Mrs.
> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
annexed
> of
> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
Henry
> Reed
> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca,
> his
> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
> one,
> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
before
>
> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
and
> was
> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
> Poythress
> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
one
> of
> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
had
> of
> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
There
>
> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
> shortly
> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
> begs
> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
and
>
> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
> to
> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
the
> ship
> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
> the
> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
> Batte,
> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
> Rebecca,
> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
what
> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
> and
> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
> same.
> Peter Perry.
> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
> of
> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
> from
> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
Anthony
> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
> Randall
> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
> Daniell,
> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
> Anderson,
> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
> Bland,
> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
> George
> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
Sheriff
> was
> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
> Peter
> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
Joshua
>
> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
> and
> James Thweatt.
> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
> appointed
> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
> their
> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
> 1703,
> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
> Wynne
> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
the
> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
> the
> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
This
>
> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
> averting a
> tribal war.
> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
with
> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
as
>
> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
> line on
> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
> inhabitants
> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
> discover
> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
> were to
> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
and
> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
> inhabitants
> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
> Gentleman,
> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
Major
> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
Joshua
>
> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
> Frances
> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
1661-c.
>
> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
> Nottoway
> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
by
> the
> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
knows
> or
> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
parts,
> the
> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
> where
> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
> Monksneck
> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
up
> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
> is on
> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
> places,
> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
ago,
> and
> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
at
> the
> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
Indians
> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
> Unote,
> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
> Taurara,
> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
> 12,
> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
Virginia
>
> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
> Thweatt
> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
> was in
> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
> in
> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
> he
> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
when
>
> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
> William
> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
> James
> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
> James
> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
> June
> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
> commission
> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
he
> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
> sterling.
> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
> the
> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
was
> of
> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
1726.
>
> Property: Land
> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
> On
> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
deed
> from
> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
> Bartholomew,
> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
> of
> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
and
> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
> side of
> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
> Poythress
> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
> Elizabeth Burwell.
> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
> in
> 1708.
>
> As Witness
> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
> Randolph,
> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
unlawful
>
> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
> court to
> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
> marry
> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
> marry
> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
> Frances,
> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
> relict
> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
Rebecca
> and
> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
> fathers.
> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
the
> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
> live
> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
his
> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
in
>
> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
stated
>
> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
that
> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
of
>
> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
he
> knew
> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
sisters
> and
> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
> John
> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
> Mrs.
> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
daughters
>
> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
two
>
> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
the
>
> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
to
>
> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
> Jane
> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
> death. He
> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
> witness,
> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
> Poythress'
> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
half-brother.
>
> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
> approximately the same age.
> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
Will
> and
> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
was
>
> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
> Henry
> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
> Littlebury
> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
> the
> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
> any
> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
> 1705, at
> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
> the
> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
> her
> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
> Francis
> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
her
>
> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
> and
> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
Maria
>
> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
> Elizabeth
> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
> (1658-1718),
> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
> William
> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
> at
> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
> plantation
> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
John
> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
> endorsement
> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
> son,
> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
(1666-1722)
>
> married Elizabeth Shands.
>
> Family Estates
> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
> George
> County, proved December 11, 1712.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
now
> live
> on, to him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
him
> and
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
and
> to
> his heirs forever.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
Swamp,
> to
> him and his heirs forever.
> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
> the
> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
sale
> of
> the said fifty acres of land.
> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
and
> Frank Cook at nattuah.
> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
> increase.
> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
> increase.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
> and
> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
> disposing.
> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
son,
>
> Tom.
> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
> Cook.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
> during
> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
> cow
> and calf and a new gun.
> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
and
> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
> account of what they have in hand.
> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
> negro
> child, Shu, goes with all.
> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
> and
> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
> at her own disposing.
> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
of
> this
> my last will and testament.
> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
> Stainback to
> be the dividers of my estate.
> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
> Leeth,
> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
> written
> last Will and testament of Mr. John
> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
> and
> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
> the
> same is admitted to record.
>
>
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Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd generation
Michael Tutor
Some of Batte's material can be found on the LVA site. The majority of his
material is evidently still in boxes at the LVA. Maynard may be able to tell
you if Batte ever published any of his material......Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
generation
> Michael, who is/was R. Bolling Batte? (I have not previously read
> anything that he wrote). Has he been published or precisely, where did
> you find his information regarding the early Wynne family? I find some
> of his quotes quite new and innovative. I have been reviewing my Joshua
> and Thomas Wynne records/data and will follow up when I hear from you.
> Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:50 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
> First generation from R. Bolling Batte:
>
> 1. Mary ______ was born in probably England, (P_1) W, and died AFT 1675
> in
> VA. She married Francis Poythress. He was born ABT 1609 in Probably
> Newent,
> Gloucester, England (P_1), and died ABT 1650 in VA, Immigrated from
> England,
> in VA by 1633. She married Robert Wynne ABT 1655, son of Peter Wynne and
>
> Martha Coppin. He was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent, England, and died
> 1675
> in Charles City County, VA.
>
> Children of Mary ______ and Francis Poythress are:
> + 2 i. John Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) B], and died
> AFT
> 1694 in ~ Virginia.
> 3 ii. Thomas Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1635 in [(P_1) C].
> + 4 iii. Francis Poythress was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
> "Major",
> and died ABT 1688 in VA.
> + 5 iv. Jane Poythress was born BET 1629 AND 1645 in [P_1) A], and died
> in
> VA.
>
> Children of Mary ______ and Robert Wynne are:
> 6 i. Robert Wynne was born AFT 1655, and died 1675 in young.
> + 7 ii. Joshua Wynne was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George County,
> Virginia,
> and died 1715.
> + 8 iii. Mary Wynne was born AFT 1655.
> + 9 iv. Thomas Wynne was born 1657 in Prince George County, VA, and died
>
> 1717.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
> generation
>
>
>> From James R. Marie, April 11, 2002: "The only Major Joshua Wynne
> with
>> which I am familiar at this period is the son of Colonel Robert
> Wynne,
>> and he is the Major Joshua Wynne whom Cameron Allen and I discuss in
> our
>> articles in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST. Cameron Allen's article was
>> written over forty years ago, but many of the errors which he
> corrected
>> then, are still being repeated, often over the internet. . . The
>> prenuptial agreement between Major Wynne and Frances Cocke only came
> to
>> light in the last fifteen years when an order book that had been lost
>> during the Civil War reappeared. Please also look again at Margaret
>> Cocke's 1718 will. She never refers to 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' as her
>> daughter, although she identifies a blood relationship to many of her
>> other beneficiaries. It seems explicitly clear from the will that
>> 'Mrs. Mary Randolph' was not the daughter of Margaret Cocke, and I
> know
>> of no other evidence to suggest that she might have been. I think a
>> fair and judicious reading of the will leads to the inescapable
>> conclusion that the daughter of Mrs. Cocke who was the mother of Mrs.
>> Cocke's Wynne grandchildren had died before her mother.. . You all may
>> be interested in a short article entitled "Cameron Allen Validated:
>> Frances (Anderson) (Herbert) (Cocke) Wynne of Prince George County,
>> Virginia', published in the scholarly journal THE AMERICAN
> GENEALOGIST,
>> v. 75, no. 3, p. 178, July 2000, conclusively demonstrating (based on
>> the pre-nuptial agreement referred to by Ms. Wynne-Riley) that Major
>> Joshua Wynne's widow was Frances Anderson who had previously married
>> Herbert and Thomas Cocke, and that she was not the Frances (last name
>> unknown) who married Peter Wynne."
>> SO you see, Michael, it's never too late to come up with proper
>> documentation. Deloris
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:34 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and Interpreter, 2nd
>> generation
>>
>> Joshua's children were involved extensively with their Poythress
>> cousins.
>> Peter Wynne is named with his cousins in many records.
>>
>> The Second Generation: Major Joshua Wynne, Indian Trader and
> Interpreter
>> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Wynne
>> [7. Joshua Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655 in of Prince George
>> County, Virginia, and died 1715. He married Mary Jones, daughter of
>> Peter
>> Jones and Margaret Cruse. She was born BEF 1689.
>> Children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones are:
>> + 24 i. Peter Wynne died ABT 1738 in Prince George County, VA.
>> + 25 ii. Mary Wynne died BEF 1729.
>> 26 iii. Joshua Wynne. He married Mary ______.
>> 27 iv. Robert Wynne. He married Frances ______.
>> 28 v. Frances Wynne.
>> 29 vi. William Wynne was born 1705.
>> + 30 vii. Margaret Wynne died 1729 in Prince George County, Virginia.]
>>
>> Family
>> Joshua Wynne was born March 20, 1661, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
>> City
>> County, the son of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary (Sloman?) Poythress.
>> Robert
>> Wynne was Speaker of the House of Burgesses and served longer than any
>> man
>> in Virginia's history, from March 13, 1661 to 1675. Robert died on
>> October
>> 8, 1675. His will, dated July 1, 1675, and proved August 15, 1678, at
>> Jordan's parish or Charles City, present Prince George County, showed
> an
>>
>> estate in Canterbury, England, of two houses and a farm, in addition
> to
>> his
>> 600 acre Virginia estate south of the James River. Joshua married Mary
>> Jones
>> about 1685, the daughter of Maj. Peter Jones, the Commander of the
> fort
>> built at the falls near the present day city of Petersburg, Virginia,
>> and
>> Margaret Cruse. Margaret Cruse was the step-daughter of Major General
>> Abraham Wood, the commander of Ft. Henry and leader of first English
>> expedition into the Mississippi valley. General Wood was the official
>> that
>> negotiated the British fur trade with the Cherokee nation. Wood also
>> testified against Nathaniel Bacon, the leader of "Bacon's rebellion,"
>> who
>> led a rebel army that massacred friendly Indians in colonial Virginia.
>> The children of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones were (1) Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-1738), who married Frances Anderson, the daughter of John
> Anderson;
>> (2)
>> Mary Wynne (c. 1692-1725), who married John Worsham, the son of John
>> Worsham
>> and Phoebe Burton; (3) Margaret Wynne (c. 1694-1729), who married
> Edward
>>
>> Goodrich, the son of Charles Goodrich; (4) Joshua Wynne, who married
>> Mary;
>> (5) Robert Wynne, who married Frances; (6) Frances Wynne; and, (7)
>> William
>> Wynne (1705-1778), who married Frances. Joshua died March 29, 1715.
>> On March 29, 1715, Major Joshua Wynne was shot and killed by Saponey
>> Indians
>> because one of Joshua's servants had killed one of the Indian's
> 'great'
>> men.
>> Upon trial of the Indian, they pleaded that the Wynne's were the
>> aggressors
>> and that they never rest without revenge. The Indians said that they
> and
>> the
>> Wynnes' were then equal, each having lost a great man. To avoid more
>> bloodshed the Indian was pardoned." [The Saponey or Saponi were of the
>> Siouan linguistic stock, related to the nearby Tutelo tribe. They were
>> unrelated to the Iroquoian speaking tribes Nottoway, Meherrin and the
>> Algonquian speaking Powhatan Confederacy tribes (Pamunkey, Nansemond)
>> that
>> the Wynne brothers enjoyed friendly relations with.].
>>
>> Son, Peter Wynne
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
> John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
> of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harnison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
> in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
> witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
> appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
> Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
> Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
> Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
> heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
> I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
> steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
> my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
> and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
> my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> On May 9, 1717, Stith Bolling, of Southwark parish, in Surry County,
> to
>> Robert Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 500
>> acres, on
>> Southwardly Run formerly belonging to Captain Henry Batte, deceased,
> in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County. The witnesses were Peter
>> Wynne,
>> Richard Raines and Peter Poythress.
>>
>> In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, the relict of Richard
>> Hamlin,
>> deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of
> administration
>> to
>> John Hamlin, who appeared and granted, indemnified Sampson Meredith,
> one
>> of
>> the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and was
> granted
>>
>> administration to John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson
>> Meredith
>> one of the securities of Richard Hamlin who died without a Will and
> was
>> granted administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter
> Wynne
>> his
>> security.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the
>> Elder,
>> of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of
>> the
>> same, the land whereon Richard Pace lived, the plantation whereon
> Joseph
>>
>> Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael Rosser, Sr.,
>> lived,
>> being about 400 acres bounded on the lands of the said Francis
> Poythress
>>
>> according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the
> said
>> Francis and the said Richard." The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John
>> Bonner
>> and Thomas Poythress.
>> On November 11, 1718, Frances Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George County, sold to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, to Thomas
>> Goodwynn
>> (not mentioning any amount of money), 100 acres, in Westover parish,
> in
>> Prince George County, bounded by the lands of Peter Grammar and the
>> lands
>> lately purchased of Richard Pace by the said Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. On the
>> back of
>> the deed was an endorsement in the following -----. Viz: That livery
> and
>>
>> seisin of the land and premises within mentioned was by the therein
>> named
>> Francis Poythress delivered in due form of law unto the therein named
>> Thomas
>> Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable possession and seisure of the same
> on
>> the
>> day and year within mentioned.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
> the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
> Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
> the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
> plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On December 9, 1718, in the Prince George County court, Francis
>> Poythress,
>> the Elder's deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne,
> John
>>
>> Bonner and Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
>> On December 9, 1718, Frances Poythress, the Elder's deed of title
>> languishes.
>> On December 9, 1718, Francis Poythress, the Elder's deed of land to
>> Thomas
>> Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress,
>> witnesses.
>>
>> Daughter, Mary Wynne Worsham
>> On June 30, 1709, in Henrico County, John Elam, of Henrico County, to
>> John
>> Worsham, Jr., and John Royall, Jr., land called "Flinton's," 160
> acres,
>> on
>> the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
>> Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke, Edward Standly. The witnesses
>> were
>> Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge, Thomas Randolph. Deed of livery was
>> witnessed
>> by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was married to
> Anne
>>
>> Batte (c. 1685-?), daughter of Henry Batte and Mary Lound. Thomas
>> Eldridge
>> was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), daughter of Richard Kennon
> and
>>
>> Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon (1688-1751) was married to Ann Epes,
>> daughter of Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729)
> was
>>
>> married to Judith Fleming (1689-bef. 1743), daughter of Charles
> Fleming
>> and
>> Susanna Tarleton. John Worsham (1679-1744) was married to Mary Wynne
> (c.
>>
>> 1692-1725), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>>
>> In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729,
> proved
>> October 1, 1729.
>> To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my
>> son,
>> William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
>> To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
>> If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest
>> daughter,
>> my granddaughter.
>> To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at
> Coldwater
>>
>> Run. (Daniel was eldest son).
>> To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
>> To son, William, items.
>> To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson,
>> Martha
>> Ward (Wood) and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
>> To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
>> To grandson, Isham Epes.
>> To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
>> To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man
>> and
>> various items to them and their mother, Judith (widow of Daniel).
>> Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The
> witnesses
>> were
>> Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.
>>
>> John Worsham, Jr., born about 1679, Henrico County, Virginia, son of
>> John
>> Worsham and Phoebe. John Worsham, Jr., married Mary Wynne about 1700,
> in
>>
>> Henrico County, Virginia. He owned land on Swift Creek. He was a
> witness
>> in
>> many deed transactions and Wills in Henrico County. He was an
> appraiser
>> of
>> many estates. He was vestryman and churchwarden of Curles Church. He
>> left a
>> Will dated December 8, 1751, and proved October 5, 1753, in
> Chesterfield
>>
>> County, Virginia. Mary's grandmother, Margaret Wood Jones Cocke's
> Will:
>> The
>> Will of Margaret Cocke, of the county and parish of Henrico, Widow,
>> dated
>> August 12, 1718, proved May 4, 1719. I give my granddaughter,
> Margaret,
>> wife
>> of Edward Goodrich, one mulatto boy, named John, the son of my mulatto
>> woman
>> Sue, which boy is to be enjoyed by my granddaughter and her heirs
>> forever. I
>> give my granddaughter, Mary, the wife of John Worsham, and to her
> heirs
>> for
>> ever, one mulatto girl, named Margaret, which she now has in her
>> possession.
>> I give my grandson, Peter Wynne, and to his heirs forever, one mulatto
>> man,
>> named John Henry, he being appointed to be given unto my said grandson
>> by
>> the last Will and testament of my deceased husband, Mr. Thomas Cocke.
> I
>> also
>> give to my grandson 10 shillings to buy him a ring. I also confirm a
>> gift of
>> a mulatto boy, named Thom, which I made to Major Joshua Wynne in his
>> lifetime, upon condition that there be paid (if not already done) two
>> thousand pounds of tobacco to Thomas Harwood by the administrators of
>> the
>> said Wynne it being on that proviso I gave the said boy to the said
>> Wynne. I
>> give my granddaughter, Margaret Jones, two silver spoons. I give Mrs.
>> Mary
>> Randolph and her heirs forever one mulatto boy, named Billy. I give my
>> grandson, Peter Jones, the son of my son, Abraham Jones, deceased, ten
>> shillings to buy him a ring. I give grandson, Joshua Wynne, two
> steers.
>> I
>> give to each of my grandsons, Robert Wynne, William Wynne and Francis
>> Wynne,
>> a cow to be delivered to them when they arrive to lawful age. I give
> my
>> Godson, William, the son of William Randolph, one mulatto boy, named
>> James,
>> he being the son of my mulatto woman, Sue, which mulatto boy is to be
>> held
>> by my said Godson and his heirs forever.
>> I give all of my wearing clothes to be divided among my granddaughters
>> by my
>> executors. I give my son, Peter Jones, and his heirs forever all the
>> rest of
>> my estate both real and personal, and I do hereby appoint my said son,
>> together with William Randolph, to be executors of this my last Will
> and
>>
>> testament in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
> my
>> seal
>> the day and year above written. Margaret Cocke. The witnesses were
>> Thomas
>> Buckner, Thomas Morris and Will Jones. Proved at a court held May 4,
>> 1719 on
>> the oaths of William Jones and Thomas Morris. Margaret Cruse (Wood)
>> Jones
>> Cocke (1641-1719) was married to Peter Jones (1634-1680) and Thomas
>> Cocke
>> (1638-1697), son of Richard Cocke and Temperance Bailey.
>>
>> Daughter, Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> On December 9, 1712, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, of
>> Westover
>> parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Poythress, of the same, all
>> my
>> tract in the above parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by
> John
>>
>> Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, the dividing line
> of
>>
>> Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
>> Edward
>> Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.
>> Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729),
>> daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin was married to
>> Ann
>> Harrison (-aft. 1773), daughter of Thomas Harrison. Peter Wynne (c.
>> 1690-c.
>> 1738) was married to Frances Anderson (-1727), daughter of John
>> Anderson.
>> On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince
>> George
>> County, to Peter Grammar, of the same parish and county, 100 acres in
>> the
>> same parish and county, on Holly Bushes Branch on the line of Richard
>> Pace,
>> and said Poythress...The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, William
> Hamlin.
>>
>> William Hamlin was the grandson of Stephen Hamlin and grandson of
>> Richard
>> Taylor and Sarah Barker. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was the husband
> of
>> Margaret Wynne (1696-1723), daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>> On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, of Prince
>> George County, and Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 400
>> acres, in
>> Westover parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
>> County, beginning at the path on the Old Town run, where it crosses
> the
>> same, leading from Old Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward
> Goodrich's
>> plantation, and running thence westwardly as the path leads along the
>> said
>> Rosser's corn field fence to the upper end of the same and from thence
>> west
>> nineteen degrees north along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in
>> the
>> head of a bottom thence down that bottom by a line of mark trees to
> the
>> run
>> between Richard Pace's plantation where he now lives, and the
> plantation
>>
>> whereon John Whitmore more lately lived, and so down that run to the
>> path at
>> the beginning, together with 200 acres of land at the head of the said
>> Richard Pace's dividend, beginning at his southern corner tree and
>> running
>> east fifty chains to a red oak, thence north one hundred and sixty
>> chains to
>> the line dividing this land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles
>> Anderson, deceased, thence west fifty chains, thence south one hundred
>> and
>> sixty chains to the beginning. Richard Pace, Francis Poythress. The
>> witnesses, Peter Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John
> Poythress
>> and
>> Edward Goodrich made Oaths as Sheriffs. John Hardyman (1686-1738), son
>> of
>> John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married to Henrietta Maria Taylor,
>> daughter
>> of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich (1693-1720) was married to Margaret
>> Wynne
>> (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones.
>> On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Edward
>> Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as
> Sheriff.
>>
>> In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7,
>> 1720.
>> I will that my debts and funeral charges shall be paid and discharged.
>> I give my loving wife, one third part of this my plantation and one
>> third
>> part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean
> the
>> plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
>> Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed
> and
>> furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
>> I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and
>> their
>> increase, to her and her heirs forever, two cows and calves, one
>> featherbed.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter,
> one
>> featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Benjamin, three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little
>> Andrew, with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of
> land
>>
>> thereto adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture
>> to
>> him and his heirs for ever.
>> I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the
>> High
>> Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him,
> and
>> three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his
>> heirs
>> forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
>> My will and desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in
>> Prince
>> George County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of
>> Richard
>> Acock and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix
>> hereafter
>> named for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue
>> if
>> any to be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
>> I give my Father and each of my sisters, ten shillings apiece to buy
>> each of
>> them a ring, and to my brother, ten shillings.
>> Lastly, I appoint my dear and loving wife and Captain Henry Harrison
> my
>> executors of this my last Will and testament, hereby disannulling and
>> making
>> void all former Wills and testaments. In witness whereof I have
> hereunto
>>
>> affixed my seal and set my hand, October 7, 1720. Edward Goodrich. The
>> witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay and Arthur Biggins. At a
>> court
>> held at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on the second
> Tuesday,
>>
>> January 10, 1721. The above written last Will and testament of Edward
>> Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret Goodrich an
>> executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it being
>> proved
>> by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
>> witnesses
>> thereto, is by order of the court truly recorded. And on the motion of
>> the
>> said Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law,
>> Certificate
>> was granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.
>>
>> On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund
>> Irby,
>> Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise
>> the
>> estate of Edward Goodrich; Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to
>> return
>> the Inventory. Edmund Irby was the husband of Anne Bland, daughter of
>> Richard Bland and Elizabeth Randolph. Margaret Wynne Goodrich
>> (1694-1729)
>> was the daughter of Joshua and Mary Wynne.
>>
>> Son, Robert Wynne
>> In Surry County, the Will of Thomas Dinkins, dated October 30, 1717,
>> probated May 21, 1718.
>> A legacy to his sons, Thomas, James and Charles, one shilling each.
>> To his daughters, Mary Vandinan, Ann Sesshings and Margaret Perry, one
>> shilling each.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the plantation he lived on during her life, and
>> then
>> to his son, Thomas Denkins, Jr.
>> To his son, Sanders Dinkins, one half of his land, the lower half.
>> To his wife, Margaret, the rest of his estate. The witnesses were
> David
>> Poythress, Jos. Fowler and Robert Wynne. Elizabeth Dinkins, was named
>> administratrix of the estate of Thomas Denkins, her husband.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On September 15, 1682, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain Peter Perry and Mr. Richard Bland were to administer oath to
>> Mrs.
>> Rebecca Poythress, the relict and administratrix, with the Will
> annexed
>> of
>> Francis Poythress, late deceased, to make inventory.
>> On December 3, 1688, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> testimony was elicited in the matter of the estate of Anne Young.
> Henry
>> Reed
>> exhibited his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
> Rebecca,
>> his
>> wife, executrix of Major Francis Poythress. The plaintiff showed that
>> one,
>> Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this county,
> before
>>
>> commission of administration was sent forth, Major Francis Poythress
>> inventoried her estate and had it appraised at 5,664 pounds tobacco,
> and
>> was
>> thereof possessed. Thereafter, administration was granted to said
>> Poythress
>> and Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that belongs to
> one
>> of
>> the orphans of Ann was in the custody of Peter Read. That Peter Read
> had
>> of
>> said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 pounds tobacco.
> There
>>
>> remained in custody of Poythress 1,882 pounds tobacco, but Poythress
>> shortly
>> afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your orator, who
>> begs
>> recovery of 1,882 pounds tobacco, and prays that Charles Bartholomew
> and
>>
>> Rebecca, his wife, be subpoenaed to answer. Francis Poythress had gone
>> to
>> England to purchase certain items and goods which were consigned to
> the
>> ship
>> owned by Emberly. The consigned merchandise was mixed in with those of
>> the
>> Wynne's. On January 8, 1689, at a court at the house of Major Francis
>> Poythress, deceased, present were Captain Lowry, Mr. Bra?, Captain
>> Batte,
>> Mr. Bolling. Administration with the Will annexed was granted to
>> Rebecca,
>> the widow of Major Francis Poythress, deceased, have quit claim in
> what
>> goods are now brought in Captain Emberly's things belonging to Thomas
>> and
>> Joshua Wynne and it was consented that they shall jointly possess the
>> same.
>> Peter Perry.
>> On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address
>> of
>> loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received
>> from
>> Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke,
> Anthony
>> Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison,
>> Randall
>> Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas
>> Daniell,
>> James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas
>> Anderson,
>> James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard
>> Bland,
>> Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes,
>> George
>> Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The
> Sheriff
>> was
>> Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley,
>> Peter
>> Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij,
> Joshua
>>
>> Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
>> Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
>> William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
>> Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker,
>> and
>> James Thweatt.
>> In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were
>> appointed
>> interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on
>> their
>> trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians.
>> Major Joshua Wynne lived among the Indians in the Virginia Colony. In
>> 1703,
>> the Nottoway, Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Joshua
>> Wynne
>> and his brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian Interpreters for
> the
>> tribe. When a Chief of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas,
>> the
>> Wynne brothers were begged to accompany the Indians on this long and
>> dangerous journey, as without them "nothing could be accomplished."
> This
>>
>> journey was undertaken and their chief was retrieved, temporarily
>> averting a
>> tribal war.
>> Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve
> with
>> Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory
> as
>>
>> members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina
>> line on
>> October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and
>> discover
>> the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies. Also they
>> were to
>> ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins
> and
>> Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old
>> inhabitants
>> of Prince George County that were deposed were Robert Bolling,
>> Gentleman,
>> aged 61, who "had known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more."
> Major
>> Wynne's quarter was on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town.
> Joshua
>>
>> Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary
>> Frances
>> Poythress Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress(3) (c.
> 1661-c.
>>
>> 1730s). John Poythress(3)
>> was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary Batte
>> (1664-1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
>> Prince George County interview of James Thweat, aged 64 years or
>> thereabouts, sworn said that he had known the River now called the
>> Nottoway
>> River for the space of about 48 years or more and then it was called
> by
>> the
>> name of the Nottoway River and by no other name that the deponent
> knows
>> or
>> has heard. That when this deponent was first acquainted in those
> parts,
>> the
>> chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south side of the River
>> where
>> Major Wynne's Quarter now is, about three miles above the mouth of
>> Monksneck
>> Creek, and some few of them lived at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles
> up
>> Monksneck creek; and two or three families of them at Tonnatora, which
>> is on
>> the north side of the River. And that they lived at some of these
>> places,
>> and at Cottashowrock, and there abouts, until about 25 or 26 years
> ago,
>> and
>> then they removed and settled their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp
> at
>> the
>> place now called Old Town. That about 48 years ago the Meherrin
> Indians
>> lived upon the Meherrin River at Cowochahawkon and some of them at
>> Unote,
>> and about 24 years ago they lived some of them at Unote and some at
>> Taurara,
>> but how long they lived there after that time, he cannot particularly
>> remember. And further this deponent said not. James Thweatt, November
>> 12,
>> 1707, sworn before us B. Harrison, Jr., and John Hardyman.
>> James Thweatt (1643-) "of Bristol Parish" was an officer in the
> Virginia
>>
>> militia when he signed the loyalty oath in March, 1701/2. In 1704,
>> Thweatt
>> owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the Appomattox River which
>> was in
>> Bristol parish and some on the south side of the James River which was
>> in
>> Jordan's parish. The elder James Thweatt was 64 years old in 1707 when
>> he
>> swore then, that he had known the Nottoway river for about 48 years
> when
>>
>> questioned along with Robert Bolling about the Virginia-North Carolina
>> dividing line. The younger James Thweatt
>> married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but before that he had been
>> married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's Will of 1714,
>> William
>> Soane of Henrico county mentioned "my daughter Elizabeth, late wife of
>> James
>> Thweatt, being dead...and my daughter, Judith Thweatt." This younger
>> James
>> Thweatt was attending the Prince George County court as a Justice on
>> June
>> 14, 1715. And on June 10, 1718, "James Thweatt having produced a
>> commission
>> from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be sheriff of this county,
> he
>> accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond was for £1,000
>> sterling.
>> Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at the same time, taking
>> the
>> same oath. By 1719, sheriff James Thweatt had a son James, Jr., who
> was
>> of
>> age. They witnessed many deeds and wills together from then until
> 1726.
>>
>> Property: Land
>> On February 2, 1693, in Charles City County, a Power of Attorney from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to convey the following land.
>> On
>> February 3, 1693, in Charles City County, (first part missing)...a
> deed
>> from
>> Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne. The witnesses were Charles
>> Bartholomew,
>> William Epes and Elizabeth Smith. William Epes (1661-1710) was the son
>> of
>> Francis Epes and Elizabeth Littlebury.
>> On June 28, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County,
> and
>> Mary, his wife, sold 150 acres, in Surry County, to Benjamin Harrison,
>> Esquire, of Charles City County, one certain plantation on the north
>> side of
>> the Nottaway River. The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis
>> Poythress
>> and Thomas Wynne. Benjamin Harrison III (1673-1710) was the husband of
>> Elizabeth Burwell.
>> Major Joshua Wynne and his wife, Mary, deeded a tract of land in Surry
>> in
>> 1708.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On June 4, 1694, at Westover court, the Attorney General, William
>> Randolph,
>> exhibited information against Charles Bartholomew for making an
> unlawful
>>
>> marriage. Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew was to be subpoenaed to the
>> court to
>> provide information. The 12th Act of Assembly stated that none shall
>> marry
>> within certain degrees of consanguinity, especially that none shall
>> marry
>> his wife's sister. On July 3, 1694, John Jane swore that he knew
>> Frances,
>> the first wife of Charles Bartholomew and that he knows Rebecca, the
>> relict
>> of Francis Poythress, and that he married one of the sisters of
> Rebecca
>> and
>> that he had been told and also believed that Rebecca and Frances were
>> sisters and that they were daughters of one mother but of diverse
>> fathers.
>> On August 3, 1694, William Randolph, the Attorney General, repeated
> the
>> charges against Charles and Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew. Charles and
>> Rebecca were married in Westover parish, February 2, 1693, by George
>> Robinson, clerk, of Bristol parish, in Henrico County, and presently
>> live
>> together. Charles pleaded not guilty and a jury was impaneled. Charles
>> quoted two statutes regarding marriage and said that his marriage was
>> cognizable only by ecclesiastical jurisdiction. The court overruled
> his
>> plea. He said that he had not violated the law. George Robinson swore
> in
>>
>> court that he married the couple on the date stated. William Epes
> stated
>>
>> that he saw the couple married on the date stated. John Jane swore
> that
>> Frances and Rebecca were sisters and daughters of the same mother but
> of
>>
>> diverse fathers. John Bishop swore the same. Joshua Wynne swore that
> he
>> knew
>> both women from childhood and that they were always taken to be
> sisters
>> and
>> daughters of one mother. Thomas Blighton swore that he had frequented
>> John
>> Coggin's house in Coggin's wife's lifetime and that he had often heard
>> Mrs.
>> Coggin call Rebecca and Frances daughters and he had heard the
> daughters
>>
>> call themselves step-sisters, and therefore always reasoned that the
> two
>>
>> sisters were half-sisters. William Harrison, the foreman of the jury,
>> brought in a verdict of not guilty. The Attorney General appealed to
> the
>>
>> fourth of the next General court and had the Sheriff take Bartholomew
> to
>>
>> give sureties that he and Rebecca would live apart until the suit was
>> settled. The Attorney General, William Randolph (1650-1711), of Turkey
>> Island, was married to Mary Isham. Their daughter, Elizabeth Randolph
>> (1680-1719/20), married Richard Bland (1665-1720). The witness, John
>> Jane
>> (-bef. 4/14/1710), married Elizabeth Tye (c. 1650-aft. 4/14/1710),
>> half-sister to Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress Bartholomew. Charles
>> Bartholomew was married to Francis Tye (c. 1654-c. 1692) until her
>> death. He
>> subsequently married her sister, Mrs. Rebecca Coggin Poythress. The
>> witness,
>> John Bishop, was the brother of Elizabeth Bishop Peebles and uncle of
>> Christian Peebles Poythress, the wife of John Poythress, Francis
>> Poythress'
>> brother. The witness, Joshua Wynne, was Francis Poythress'
> half-brother.
>>
>> According to his sworn statement, he and Rebecca Coggin were of
>> approximately the same age.
>> On January 12, 1705, at Westover, in Charles City County, the last
> Will
>> and
>> testament of the Honorable Colonel William Byrd, one of her Majesty's
>> honorable council and auditor of Virginia, lately deceased. The Will
> was
>>
>> examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and
>> Governor General of Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel
>> Henry
>> Duke, one of her Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
>> Littlebury
>> Eppes, of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County,
>> Gentlemen; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who said
>> the
>> original Will appears to be written by Colonel Byrd's own hand without
>> any
>> blot or interlineation and sealed with his own seal. On January 12,
>> 1705, at
>> Westover, in Charles City County, the addition or codicil endorsed on
>> the
>> back of the original Will of the deceased Colonel William Byrd, one of
>> her
>> Majesty's honorable council and auditor of Virginia was examined by
>> Francis
>> Nicholson, Esquire, her Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of
>> Virginia in the presence of the honorable Colonel Henry Duke, one of
> her
>>
>> Majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain Littlebury Eppes, of
>> Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City County, Gentlemen;
>> and
>> Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County. Henry Duke (-1718) was
>> married to Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of John Taylor and Henrietta
> Maria
>>
>> Hill. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
>> Elizabeth
>> Littlebury. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was married to Mary Jones
>> (1658-1718),
>> daughter of Peter Jones and Margaret Cruse.
>> On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to
>> William
>> Rains, of Westover parish, in Prince George County, 176 acres of land,
>> at
>> Joans Hole and the mouth of Ready Branch that runs between Rain's
>> plantation
>> and Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne,
> John
>> Hamlin and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an
>> endorsement
>> making over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed,
>> joining upon the upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my
>> son,
>> Thomas Rains. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) and Mary Frances Poythress Wynne. William Raines
> (1666-1722)
>>
>> married Elizabeth Shands.
>>
>> Family Estates
>> In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, Sr., of Prince
>> George
>> County, proved December 11, 1712.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, all of that land and plantation I
> now
>> live
>> on, to him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Tunnatorah, to
> him
>> and
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, 300 acres of land, at Monkasoneck,
> and
>> to
>> his heirs forever.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, 300 acres of land, at the Indian
> Swamp,
>> to
>> him and his heirs forever.
>> I give my son Robert Poythress, 50 acres of land, on the lower side of
>> the
>> Indian Swamp, to him for his own proper use and behoof not to make
> sale
>> of
>> the said fifty acres of land.
>> I give my son, Francis Poythress, two negroes, Coffer and Sis.
>> I give my son, David Poythress, two negroes, Jack and young Mary.
>> I give my son, Joshua Poythress, two negroes, Peter and Beck.
>> I give my son, Robert Poythress, two negroes, Tom and young Sarah.
>> I give my son, William Poythress, three negroes, Frank Cook and Amy
> and
>> Frank Cook at nattuah.
>> I give my son, John Poythress, two negroes, Bess and Nanny, and their
>> increase.
>> I give my son, Peter Poythress, two negroes, Ben and Nanny, their
>> increase.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, three negroes, Catto, Usse
>> and
>> Sarah, to my loving wife, for her proper use and to be at her own
>> disposing.
>> I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, two negroes, Pegg, and her
> son,
>>
>> Tom.
>> I give my daughter, Christian Poythress, two negroes, Moll and John
>> Cook.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my servant, John Field,
>> during
>> his time, and at his freedom, to have besides his corn and clothes, a
>> cow
>> and calf and a new gun.
>> I give my daughter, Mary Woodlief, £40 Sterling.
>> I give all my moveable estate to be equally divided between my wife
> and
>> children. My son, John Poythress, and son, Peter Poythress, giving an
>> account of what they have in hand.
>> I give my grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress, the
>> negro
>> child, Shu, goes with all.
>> I give my loving wife, Christian Poythress, my two negro wenches, Shu
>> and
>> Jude, as her own proper estate to be
>> at her own disposing.
>> I appoint my loving wife and my son, John Poythress, to be executors
> of
>> this
>> my last will and testament.
>> I appoint my two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
>> Stainback to
>> be the dividers of my estate.
>> Signed by John Poythress, in the presence of John Winningham, Peter
>> Leeth,
>> Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.
>> At a court held for Prince George County, December, 11, 1712. The
>> written
>> last Will and testament of Mr. John
>> Poythress, deceased, was proved in open court by the oaths of John
>> Winningham, Peter Leigth and William Stainback, the witnesses thereto
>> and
>> the probation thereof granted John Poythress, executor, and Christian
>> Poythress, his relict and executor, named therein and at their motion
>> the
>> same is admitted to record.
>>
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12/31/2005 7:46:47
Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th Generation
Michael Tutor
I have listed only two daughters for Joshua and Elizabeth Robertson
Poythress. Elizabeth Robertson Poythress was the daughter of Archibald
Robertson and Elizabeth Fitzgerald. Elizabeth Fitzgerald was the daughter of
John Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress was the
daughter of John Poythress and Christian Peebles. The number of women in the
Poythress family and associated families can cause as much confusion as the
many men in the family named Francis, John and William.
The Fifth Generation: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress, Jr.
[211 1 Joshua Poythress (- 1794), m. Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of
Archibald and Elizabeth (Fitzgerald) Robertson. Joshua and his wife were
second cousins. They lived and died at Flowerdew Hundred and both were there
buried. She died 7 September 1787.
211 11 Elizabeth Poythress. Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth
(Robertson) Poythress in the notes on the Robertson family made by Gov.
Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress was the governor's aunt.
He certainly would have had personal knowledge of her children. Several
printed accounts of the Cocke and Poythress families state that James Cocke,
son of Benjamin, married Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without
identifying the Joshua, and that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who
married Jacob Hoffman. As to this last couple there can be no doubt. In 1955
I ran across a monument in the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory of
Jacob Hoffman/and his wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by
their grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had indeed
been the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have been
the daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of
Joshua 211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see
later) married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James
Cocke is said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here. [Batte
refers to Wyndham Robertson as "Governor." I expect we may assume that this
Wyndham Robertson (or one of his descendants) is the author of "Pocahontas
and her Descendants."]
211 12 Mary Poythress. Shown in the notes of Gov. Wyndham Robertson.
Probably died young.
211 13 Susanna Peachy Poythress (1785 - 1815), m. 1804 John Vaughn Willcox
(11 Aug 1779 Charles City - 23 Nov 1863 Flowerdew Hundred, Pr. Geo.) John
Vaughn Willcox was very wealthy; a very large holder of Confederate Bonds.
He acquired by purchase the several parcels comprising the original
Flowerdew Hundred tract, including the original 300 acres that had been
given by John Hardyman in 1725 to his wife's great grandfather Joshua
Poythress 21. John Vaughn Willcox was buried in Blandford Cemetery in
Petersburg. Susanna Peachy (Poythress) Willcox was buried at Flowerdew
Hundred where a tombstone marked her grave until 1864 when the yankees
destroyed it along with all other Poythress monuments that were then there.]
Family
Joshua Poythress, Jr., was born about 1751, the son of Joshua Poythress and
Mary Short. He married Elizabeth Robertson, the daughter of Archibald
Robertson and Elizabeth Fitzgerald. Their children were (1) Mary (probably
died young), and (2) Susanna Peachy (1785-1815), who married John Vaughn
Willcox. Joshua died in 1794, in Prince George County, Virginia.
Professional Life
In 1779, the U. S. Treasury offered to exchange new bills for presumably
counterfeit old paper money. Many Virginians made this exchange, in whole or
in part, to the Virginia Continental Loan office in 1779 and 1780. The
exchange could be for new money, applied to loans, or applied to taxes. The
records of exchangers and the amount exchanged provided a short proxy census
of Virginia in 1779:
Name County Entry # Amt. Deposited
Poythress, William Prince George 1019 $120
Poythress, Peter Prince George 1262 $311
Poythress, Joshua Prince George 1500 $484
Poythress, Thomas Brunswick 3765 $38
On April 24, 1779, in the Virginia Gazette, "Wanted a Skipper for a country
craft. Such a person well recommended for sobriety and diligence, will meet
with great encouragement by applying to the subscriber at Flower de Hundred.
Joshua Poythress, Jr."
On April 24, 1779, "taken from a negro belonging to one of the subscribers
craft, who says it was left on board by a sailor belonging to one of the
country vessels, a musket with an iron ramrod, branded Virg. on the butt.
The owner may have it by applying as above."
On April 1, 1789, in Prince George County, accounts of the estate of Joel
Sturdivant by John Sturdivant, Sr., executor. Names, among many, Francis
Poythress and Joseph Poythress.
Property: Personal Property and Land
On June 16, 1774, in the Virginia Gazette, Joshua Poythress, Jr., advertised
£5 reward for runaway indentured servant Benjamin Parrot. Whoever "secures
the said servant, so that I get him again, shall have £3 or if delivered to
me at Flower de Hundred, the above reward."
On February 10, 1776, in the Virginia Gazette, "to be sold at Blandford, on
Friday, the 1st of March next, to the highest bidders, eleven valuable negro
fellows, among whom is a very good ship carpenter. Also two schooner flats,
one 85, the other 70 hogsheads burthen, with their boats, and two smaller
flats burthen 35 and 32 hogsheads. Six months credit will be allowed to the
purchasers, on giving Bond, with approved Security, to Thomas Crawford,
Joshua Poythress, Jr."
On March 13, 1776, in the Virginia Gazette, Thomas Crawford and Joshua
Poythress, Jr., advertised for a sale on April 8, three fellows, two
schooner flats, etc.
In 1782, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 266 + 200 =) 870 acres.
In 1783, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (400 + 200 =) 600 acres, 270 acres less than in 1782.
In 1785, in Prince George County, alterations made by transfer of land,
recorded by Peter Epes; from Joshua Poythress to Simon Frazer, 366 acres.
In 1787, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (400 + 200 =) 600 acres.
In 1788, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1789, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1790, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1791, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1792, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1793, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by Joshua Poythress,
on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1794, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1795, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1796, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1797, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1798, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1799, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
In 1800, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
Joshua Poythress, on (404 + 200 =) 604 acres.
Adjoining Property
On January 17, 1788, in Sussex County, Abraham Parham, Sr., of Sussex
County, to Abraham Parham, Jr., of the same, 170 acres, on the north side of
Mockerson Neck Creek, adjoining Robert Parham, Stith Parham, John Leath,
Joshua Poythress, Whotleberry Branch and William Burge. The witnesses, Joel
Hall, Abraham Haddon, Thomas Haddon Parham and William Burge.
Family Estates
On February 30, 1787, in Prince George County, settlement of the estate of
Alexander Robertson. [Note: this was a very complex document with numerous
columns, headings and subheadings]. Sums due to various persons, among
others: cash to John Poythress, cash to Joshua Poythress, to Ann Poythress
Morrison: £545, 12 slaves, several houses, plantation items. June, 1783
(date written?). The witnesses were Joshua Poythress, Richard Bland and
Elizabeth Blair Bland. Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) was the son of Joshua
Poythress and Mary Short. Richard Bland (1762-1806) was married to Susanna
Poythress (1769-1839), daughter of Peter Poythress and Elizabeth Bland.
After Joshua Poythress' Death
In February, 1802, in Prince George County, Archibald Robertson,
administrator, of Joshua Poythress versus Ro. Goode, executor of Anne
[Poythress] Morrison, John Baird, Nathaniel Wyche, administrator, of
Alexander Belches, Thomas Gordon, Ebenezer Maitland, Charles Duncan,
executor of Ro. Boyd, William Cole, Sheriff, of Prince George County.
12/31/2005 8:54:53
John Poythress, Gentleman, of Prince George County, son of Charles Poythress, 5th Generation
Michael Tutor
The year 1788 is as far as I have gone with this John Poythress, son of
Charles Poythress.
The Fifth Generation: John Poythress, son of Charles Poythress
Family
John Poythress was born after 1739. On April 9, 1739, a marriage contract
was entered, in Henrico County, between Charles Poythress and Catherine
Crawford, the parents of John Poythress. The contract was recorded in
Chesterfield County. His grandparents were Ralph Crawforth (Crawford) and
Elizabeth Claiborne Crawford Anderson.
Inheritance
In Chesterfield County, the Will of Elizabeth Anderson, of Dale Parish,
Chesterfield County, dated October 9, 1759, recorded in 1761.
To my daughter, Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro.
To my grandson, John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
To my grandson, John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
The rest of my estate to my son, Claiborne Anderson.
The witnesses were Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop and Penellope
Parrot.
Elizabeth Claiborne, daughter of William Claiborne III, married Ralph
Crawforth (Crawford), and was the mother of two children by him. Her
daughter, Catherine Crawforth, married Charles Poythress. Her daughter,
Elizabeth Crawforth, married Henry Anderson, Jr., the son of Elizabeth
Claiborne Crawforth Anderson's second husband, Henry Anderson. Henry
Anderson, Sr., died in 1734.
Professional Life
On February 21, 1769, in Lunenburg County, John Lanthrope, of Lunenburg
County, to John Poythress, of Prince George County. John Lanthrope, to the
intent that the sum of £38/10/0 may be secured and paid to John Poythress,
and for and in consideration of £38/10/0 to him paid by Poythress, lent,
paid, and advanced before the sealing, has granted Poythress a certain tract
of land in Lunenburg in Cumberland parish, adjoining the land of John
Parker, John Stegall, John Wright, and on Stony Creek, containing about 248
acres. If Lanthrope pays Poythress the £38/10/0 + interest + costs by next
February 21, then this mortgage shall cease and be utterly void. After
default Poythress may occupy the premises, or, in trust, may sell the
premises for the best price that can be had to discharge the debt, with the
overplus, if any, going to Lanthrope. The witnesses, John Ballard, Jr.,
Jere. Bailey, John Flood Edmunds and Sterling Edmunds.
Civic Activities
In August, 1766, to Peter Poythress and John Poythress, Gentlemen, greeting.
Peter Leath, by his deed of August, 1766, sold to Peter Randolph Bland, of
Prince George County, 400 acres, in Amelia County, on Leath's Creek. Eliza.,
the wife of Peter Leath cannot conveniently travel to our county to make
acknowledgement of the deed. You are therefore authorized to go to Eliza. to
receive her acknowledgment. Signed June 9, in the 7th year of our reign, T.
G. Peachy. Eliza Leath relinquished her right of dower to the conveyed
lands. Signed by Peter Poythress and John Poythress.
On November 20, 1766, in the Virginia Gazette, taken up, in Prince George
County, a horse colt, posted, and appraised to 50 shillings. John Poythress,
Jr.
In Southampton County, the Will of Edward Lundy, of St. Luke parish, dated
October 24, 1770.
A legacy to son, James; son, Drewry; son, John; son, Edward; son, Byrd;
land, in Sussex County; daughter, Elizabeth Harris; daughter, Christian
Reese (written Rose in another place); grandson, James Holt; granddaughter,
Clerimont Holt; grandson, Henry Holt. Executors, sons, Edward and Drewry
Lundy. The Will was dated October 24, 1770, and recorded March 11, 1773. The
witnesses were Henry Pritchett, John Poythress and James Day Ridley.
On December 13, 1770, in the Virginia Gazette, the vestry of Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County, have ordered the following
additional improvements to be made upon the glebe of the said parish, to
wit: a kitchen, 32 by 18 feet, with a outside brick chimnies; a stable, 24
by 16 feet; a barn, 40 by 20 feet; a dairy, and a smoke house each 12 feet
square; a necessary house, 8 feet square, all well framed, weather boarded
with plank, and shingled with cypress shingles, underpinned with brick, and
tarred; a garden 200 feet square, ----- with heart of poplar or
cypress ----, with -------------. The dwelling house, which is 4- by - feet,
to be repaired, and to be well painted, and the foot to be tarred; a room to
be added to it at each end, 14 by 18 feet, and a fire place in each room; a
handsome porch, on each side the dwelling house 10 by 8 feet, and a porch at
one end of the house. The additional buildings and porches to be underpinned
with brick, and strong steps to each porch; the covered way into the cellar
to be altered, and the whole work to be finished in a workmanlike manner.
Part of the value of the buildings to be paid at the time of letting them,
other part in July next, and the remainder upon the work being finished.
Whoever is willing to undertake the said work is desired to meet the
subscribers at the glebe, on Monday the 31st of December next, who are
expected by the vestry, to agree with workmen for the said improvements.
Signed by Richard Bland, Theodorick Bland, Peter Poythress and John
Poythress.
On November 28, 1771, in the Virginia Gazette, "to be sold to the highest
bidder, on Thursday the 12th of December, at the late dwelling house of
James Holloway, deceased, in Prince George County. All the personal estate
of the said James Holloway, consisting of a variety of household furniture,
and a large stock of cattle, among which are three yoke of oxen, horses,
hogs and sheep. Crops of corn and fodder, the plantation utensils, and many
other articles. Six months credit will be allowed the purchasers, on giving
Bond and good Security. At the same time and place, will be hired several
likely slaves, consisting of men, women, boys, and girls; also to be rented,
for a term of years, a plantation in good order for the cropping, with
convenient outhouses. John Poythress and Hamilton Jones, executors."
On April 17, 1788, in Sussex County, account of the estate of John Edmunds,
deceased, by Sterling Edmunds, shows, among many others, John Poythress for
Major William Poythress, Colonel Peter Poythress.
12/31/2005 9:01:07
Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th Generation
Michael Tutor
In the previous entry, in the first paragraph, it should have read: The
number of women in the Poythress family and associated families named
Elizabeth can cause as much confusion as the many men in the family named
Francis, John and William.
12/31/2005 9:11:04
Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th Generation
Randy Jones
Michael Tutor wrote: I have listed only two daughters for Joshua and Elizabeth Robertson
Poythress. Elizabeth Robertson Poythress was the daughter of Archibald
Robertson and Elizabeth Fitzgerald. Elizabeth Fitzgerald was the daughter of
John Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress was the
daughter of John Poythress and Christian Peebles. The number of women in the
Poythress family and associated families can cause as much confusion as the
many men in the family named Francis, John and William.
The Fifth Generation: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred
R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress, Jr.
[211 1 Joshua Poythress (- 1794), m. Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of
Archibald and Elizabeth (Fitzgerald) Robertson. Joshua and his wife were
second cousins. They lived and died at Flowerdew Hundred and both were there
buried. She died 7 September 1787.
211 11 Elizabeth Poythress. Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth
(Robertson) Poythress in the notes on the Robertson family made by Gov.
Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress was the governor's aunt.
He certainly would have had personal knowledge of her children. Several
printed accounts of the Cocke and Poythress families state that James Cocke,
son of Benjamin, married Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without
identifying the Joshua, and that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who
married Jacob Hoffman. As to this last couple there can be no doubt. In 1955
I ran across a monument in the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory of
Jacob Hoffman/and his wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by
their grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had indeed
been the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have been
the daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of
Joshua 211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see
later) married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James
Cocke is said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here. [Batte
refers to Wyndham Robertson as "Governor." I expect we may assume that this
Wyndham Robertson (or one of his descendants) is the author of "Pocahontas
and her Descendants."]
I haven't doublechecked, but my notes say Batte has Elizabeth as the daughter of Thomas Poythress (b.1677) and Elizabeth Pleasants Cocke.
-- Randy Jones
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