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RE: Guru Help NeededJames L. PooleMaynard (and the list):

These are self-extracting zip files which contain GedCom format
files. Once downloaded as Maynard describes, you just double-click
on the exe file, and it automatically extracts the GedCom file
contained therein. The black screen Maynard describes only comes up
to do the extraction. You can "x" it off almost as soon as it
appears, and in the directory that you downloaded the file to will
appear a new GedCom.

Lou

On Thursday, January 01, 1998 3:36 PM, VKRatliff
[SMTP:VKRatliff@aol.com] wrote:
> I''ve found something that may have a tidbit or two in it for us
but
> I can't
> manage to
> "open" it....may I enlist one of our PC gurus?
>
> Go to that URL where Ancestry, Inc. is offering free 7 day shot at
> their
> entire searchable data base. URL is www.ancestry.com. Get
yourself
> a free
> "name" and password or use mine if you don't want to fill out their
> "form".
> Name is UNA050 and password is PWBE36. Its got 4 or 5 days before
> expiration.
>
> Click brown button bottom right called "Search Now"
>
> This will bring up the master directory. Second item from top is
to
> search
> "Ancestry's World Tree".
>
> A "Poythress" search brings up 24 entries.....each has a "download
> now" key.
> If and as you begin to download note the file names "f such and
> such" because
> several will be duplicates (different Poythresses on same "file")
> and you will
> want to skip the ones you have already downloaded. The first one
is
> a
> strangler of some
> 2MM bytes but the rest seldom have more that 80M or so.
>
> I got 'em all downloaded, and they appear in a the download
> directory in forms
> such as "f-2233.exe". When I hit the enter key I assume its
> "executing"
> because it brings up a small black descriptive screen.
>
> This where I hit the wall because I don't know what to do then.
> There doesn't
> seem to be anything to "execute" from that point.
>
> Would appreciate someone telling me what to do then or....even
> better.....extracting the Poythress "factoids". A caveat is that
> my
> expectations are modest for this material....none of the "posters"
> are
> recognized as being Poythress chasers. This is not to imply that
> their
> information is less qualified but it does somewhat imply that their
> use of
> Poythress is likely incidental in favor of another surname and the
> reference
> is likely to be brief. Second, from the titles I can recognize
> some of those
> shaky "facts" that float around on the net in that "fill in the
> blanks"
> format; for example, "Joshua, b. 1582" etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
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>		01/01/1998 3:25:13
Re: Guru Help NeededRandy JonesIt's the executable form of a zip file. Execute it and it'll unzip.

Might want to be sure what directory it's in so you can find where it
ends up.

- Randy

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On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, VKRatliff wrote:

> I''ve found something that may have a tidbit or two in it for us but I can't
> manage to
> "open" it....may I enlist one of our PC gurus?
>
> Go to that URL where Ancestry, Inc. is offering free 7 day shot at their
> entire searchable data base. URL is www.ancestry.com. Get yourself a free
> "name" and password or use mine if you don't want to fill out their "form".
> Name is UNA050 and password is PWBE36. Its got 4 or 5 days before expiration.
>
> Click brown button bottom right called "Search Now"
>
> This will bring up the master directory. Second item from top is to search
> "Ancestry's World Tree".
>
> A "Poythress" search brings up 24 entries.....each has a "download now" key.
> If and as you begin to download note the file names "f such and such" because
> several will be duplicates (different Poythresses on same "file") and you will
> want to skip the ones you have already downloaded. The first one is a
> strangler of some
> 2MM bytes but the rest seldom have more that 80M or so.
>
> I got 'em all downloaded, and they appear in a the download directory in forms
> such as "f-2233.exe". When I hit the enter key I assume its "executing"
> because it brings up a small black descriptive screen.
>
> This where I hit the wall because I don't know what to do then. There doesn't
> seem to be anything to "execute" from that point.
>
> Would appreciate someone telling me what to do then or....even
> better.....extracting the Poythress "factoids". A caveat is that my
> expectations are modest for this material....none of the "posters" are
> recognized as being Poythress chasers. This is not to imply that their
> information is less qualified but it does somewhat imply that their use of
> Poythress is likely incidental in favor of another surname and the reference
> is likely to be brief. Second, from the titles I can recognize some of those
> shaky "facts" that float around on the net in that "fill in the blanks"
> format; for example, "Joshua, b. 1582" etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
>		01/01/1998 4:33:43
Poythress/GoodeMurphyRev. Williams (unknown to sender) stated that Joseph Goode, b. ca 1700
Whitby VA, married _____ Poythress. He gave no supporting data. Has
anyone heard anything about such a marriage? Thanks.
mailto:flcrkr@swbell.net		01/01/1998 4:42:23
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksLea L. DowdAl,

Thank you very much for posting this. FYI, John Hicks Bass is my 4th great
grandfather and the reason I am on this list. John Hicks Bass had an
ordinary on Pea Creek next to Eaton's Ferry. Now, if anyone can give me
the connections, I would have a very happy New Year.

Happy New Year to all,
Lea		01/01/1998 6:20:31
Guru Help NeededVKRatliffI''ve found something that may have a tidbit or two in it for us but I can't
manage to
"open" it....may I enlist one of our PC gurus?

Go to that URL where Ancestry, Inc. is offering free 7 day shot at their
entire searchable data base. URL is www.ancestry.com. Get yourself a free
"name" and password or use mine if you don't want to fill out their "form".
Name is UNA050 and password is PWBE36. Its got 4 or 5 days before expiration.

Click brown button bottom right called "Search Now"

This will bring up the master directory. Second item from top is to search
"Ancestry's World Tree".

A "Poythress" search brings up 24 entries.....each has a "download now" key.
If and as you begin to download note the file names "f such and such" because
several will be duplicates (different Poythresses on same "file") and you will
want to skip the ones you have already downloaded. The first one is a
strangler of some
2MM bytes but the rest seldom have more that 80M or so.

I got 'em all downloaded, and they appear in a the download directory in forms
such as "f-2233.exe". When I hit the enter key I assume its "executing"
because it brings up a small black descriptive screen.

This where I hit the wall because I don't know what to do then. There doesn't
seem to be anything to "execute" from that point.

Would appreciate someone telling me what to do then or....even
better.....extracting the Poythress "factoids". A caveat is that my
expectations are modest for this material....none of the "posters" are
recognized as being Poythress chasers. This is not to imply that their
information is less qualified but it does somewhat imply that their use of
Poythress is likely incidental in favor of another surname and the reference
is likely to be brief. Second, from the titles I can recognize some of those
shaky "facts" that float around on the net in that "fill in the blanks"
format; for example, "Joshua, b. 1582" etc.

Thanks,

Maynard		01/01/1998 9:35:44
Fwd: Random Greenwoods (ROBERT PORTIS of BOSTON)CarBurCoIn a message dated 98-01-01 18:15:56 EST, JGreenw277@aol.com writes:

<< 6-Alice Greenwood married Robert Portis 3 Nov 1659,Boston MA.
Ref-American Marr. Records before 1699,by William Montgomery Clemens.
7-Alice Greenwood-See #48 under William. >>

I found this reference to PORTIS in a long listing of CENSUS figures on the
Greenwood list. Probably means nothing, but because it was so early and in
such an unusual place, I thought I'd forward this to the list.

Caroline Burnett Cook		01/01/1998 12:02:53
Brunswick County Deed BooksAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Carol Morrison sent me a note annoucing that she now has online the second
half of Deed Book 15 for Brunswick County, Virginia. This book covers the
late 1700s.

Carol's web page can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/

Below is a deed from Book 15 that seems to provide further evidence of the
HICKS/BASS/POYTHRESS/BARNER family associations. In this 1794 deed we have
Thomas POYTHRESS and Harrison BARNER listed as witnesses for the
transaction between John Hicks Bass and Isaac & Selah Moseley. I'm not
suggesting kinship based on this record -- just evidence of close
association. Moreover, it is one more clue to the Thomas Poythress of
Brunswick mystery.

Happy New Year To All,
Al Tims

This Indenture made this 20th day of March 1794 between Isaac Moseley &
Selah his wife of the County of Brunswick of the one part and John Hicks
Bass of the said County of the other part . . . for and in consideration of
the sum of thirty two pounds . . . doth . . . grant bargain sell alien
release and confirm unto the said John Hicks Bass . . . one certain tract
or parcel of land containing fifty two & 1/2 acres by estimation . . .
lying and being in the County of Brunswick & bounded as follows Vizt.
BEGINNING on Eaton's Road at a red oak thence S 34 W 9 chain 25 links along
Moseley's line to a white oak corner thence N 76 W 9 ch. 40 links at an
inside red oak corner thence S 29 W 18 ch. to a small saplin corner on
Frederick Cooks line thence along sd. Cook's line N 61 W 10 ch. to a B.
Jack corner thence along sd. Cooks line and Daniel Whites line N 10 W 65
ch. to a corner on said Whites line at the road thence along the road S 70
E 36 chains to B. Jack thence along Mosely line N 33 E 183 chs. to a B.
Jack corner on Grief Harwells line thence S 6 E 12 ch. 75 links to hiccory
[sic] corner on sd. Harwells line thence N __ E 621 ch. to a red oak corner
on Bass's line thence S 30 1/2 E 675 chs. _____ sd. John Bass's line to
turkey oak corner on Mosely's road thence S 84 E 102 ch. to the Beginning .
. . Signed by Isaac Mosley and Selah Moseley (her mark) and witnessed by
Jno. Gholson, Harrison Barner, and Thos. Poythress. Brunswick County Court
April 28th 1794. This Indenture of Bargain and Sale between Isaac Moseley &
Selah his wife of the one part and John Hicks Bass of the other part was
acknowledged by the said Isaac to be his act and deed and ordered to be
recorded. Deed Book 15, page 529.		01/01/1998 12:12:37
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksLea L. DowdAl,

I forgot this connection.... Littleton Patillo was John H. Bass' wife's
brother. There were only two siblings. Carol, please correct any errors
that I may have. Many thanks.

Lea

Descendants of John Barner, Sr.

1 John BARNER, Sr. d: 1822 in Brunswick Co., VA
.. +Elizabeth HARRISON b: 1750
2 Judith BARNER
.... +Littleton PATTILLO b: ca 1776 in VA m: 15 Feb 1798 in Brunswick Co.,
VA d: in VA
2 Lucy BARNER
.... +Benjamin MARABLE m: 30 Jul 1799 in Brunswick Co., VA
2 Harrison BARNER
.... +Polly JONES m: 17 May 1786 in Brunswick Co., VA
2 John B. BARNER, Jr.
2 Rebecca BARNER d: Bef. 27 Nov 1826
.... +James HARWELL m: 16 Nov 1779 in Brunswick Co., VA
2 Elizabeth Ann BARNER d: Bef. 1821
.... +Thomas CLEATON m: 28 Apr 1788 in Brunswick Co., VA
2 Tabitha BARNER d: Bef. 1821
.... +Miles HICKS m: Bef. 1820		01/02/1998 7:28:05
Sorry folksCarBurCoPlease forgive me for including the whole Greenwood msg when I really intended
only to include the msg about ROBERT PORTIS to add to the questions about this
mysterious man. Who was he? Does anyone know? I remember some correspondence
some time back...but nothing to say who he really was.

Caroline

01/02/1998 7:39:21
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Re: Lea Dowd's John Hicks Bass Connection

Great. I wonder if we (you, that is) have anything that might connect John
Hicks Bass with the properties we identified just South of Ft. Christianna?
As I recall, we did establish that John Poythress was one of the land
holders and that subsequently we find Thomas Poythress selling what appears
to be (not positive) parcels of the same property.

Perhaps others of you have a better recall of this than I do at the moment.
I don't quite know why we dropped this analysis of these deeds, but
perhaps Lea's connection will give us an incentive to return to it.

Also, Lea -- do you have a Harrison BARNER connection? I ask because we
see him listed, along with Thomas POYTHRESS, as a witness to this
transaction.

Happy New Year,
Al Tims
----------
> From: Lea L. Dowd
> Subject: Re: Brunswick County Deed Books
> Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 7:20 PM
>
> Al,
>
> Thank you very much for posting this. FYI, John Hicks Bass is my 4th
great
> grandfather and the reason I am on this list. John Hicks Bass had an
> ordinary on Pea Creek next to Eaton's Ferry. Now, if anyone can give me
> the connections, I would have a very happy New Year.
>
> Happy New Year to all,
> Lea		01/02/1998 9:33:19
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksCarol A. MorrisonAlbert R. Tims wrote:
>
> Poythress List,
>
> Re: Lea Dowd's John Hicks Bass Connection
>
> Great. I wonder if we (you, that is) have anything that might connect John
> Hicks Bass with the properties we identified just South of Ft. Christianna?
> As I recall, we did establish that John Poythress was one of the land
> holders and that subsequently we find Thomas Poythress selling what appears
> to be (not positive) parcels of the same property.
>
> Perhaps others of you have a better recall of this than I do at the moment.
> I don't quite know why we dropped this analysis of these deeds, but
> perhaps Lea's connection will give us an incentive to return to it.
>
> Also, Lea -- do you have a Harrison BARNER connection? I ask because we
> see him listed, along with Thomas POYTHRESS, as a witness to this
> transaction.
>
> Happy New Year,
> Al Tims
> ----------

Al, Harrison BARNER is mine! He was the grandson of Benjamin Harrison
and son of
John BARNER and Elizabeth HARRISON. Rebecca HARRISON, sister of
Elizabeth, married
Robert HICKS, son of James HICKS. Nancy HARRISON, another sister
married John HICKS,
and Benjamin HARRISON, Jr., married Martha HICKS, also a child of James
HICKS.

In addition to that, Tabitha BARNER, daughter of John BARNER and
Elizabeth HARRISON,
married Miles HICKS, son of James HICKS (originally from Brunswick Co.
but died
in Henry/Pittsylvania Co., Va). AND, Elizabeth BARNER, daughter of John
and Elizabeth (HARRISON) BARNER is the one who married Thomas CLEATON
(i.e., the one where the POYTHRESS) comes into play.

Carol

01/02/1998 9:44:01
Guru Help NeededCharles Neal1-2-98

Maynard,

Appreciate your generously shared info about Ancestry's free 7-day trial
run, however I find I cannot seem to find a time when I can get in to any
of the sites I wish to try. It's been real busy around here; I even have
to work all day tomorrow 🙁

Thus, I will ask you (or others who may be able to get in): Would you
please check the PERSI listings for any POYTHRESS entries since 1994? Sure
would appreciate it; there may be some pertinent items that were published
in some periodical somewhere of which we are not aware.

Thanks!
BPN		01/02/1998 10:40:22
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksLea L. DowdDear All,

I can only give you some of my "theories" on this man and some of his
connections as the HICKS mystery has yet to be solved. However between
Carol and my cousin Patti, I feel that someday we may see the truth.

My John Hicks Bass had been elusive for several years. If someone was
merely reading records, they never would have been able to place him in the
correct family line. He did not associate with his father, Benjamin Bass.
The reason for this has now been proven. My John Hicks Bass appears to
have been a "snob of sorts" or very determined to appear white. He is the
grandson of a Nansemond Indian and probable Nansemond or Nottoway mother.
Benjamin Bass was treated somewhat kindly by the "white" community due to
his marriage to Sarah HICKS. Family tradition has always stated that SHE
was a direct descendant of Pocahontas. No one has ever proved this
connection.

Now, how does she relate to Capt. Robert HICKS. That is a very good
question to which I have NO proof. However, I sincerely believe that Capt.
Robert Hicks was an uncle. The disproving her father's descent from Capt.
Robert Hicks and proving his descent from Robert Hicks, the taylor was a
wonderful find. It is my own personal belief (shared by few) that MY HICKS
line had intermarried earlier with Native Americans. This would appear to
be logical as "like marries like". Benjamin Bass was at least half Native
American, more than likely whole, give a take a percentage or two.

From very early on John Hicks Bass decided that he was not going to be
poor. He worked very hard at acquiring money and died a very wealthy man
in Georgia. He never helped his father or contributed to him when he went
bankrupt. No children bear the name Benjamin after his father. His proof
of ancestry can be found only in letters that he wrote to his siblings.
Without these, I myself would never have thought to associate John Hicks
Bass with his father Benjamin. The only clue to his Native heritage was
left in his will where he specifically stated that he was a Diest (sp?).
(This is a person who believes in a supreme being, but is not Christian.)

John Hicks Bass always associated with relatives of Capt. Robert Hicks,
hence the Harrison/Barner/Hicks connections that you find in the land
deeds. Unless Capt. Robert HICKS is his Uncle, I can show no direct
familial connection to these people, except through a FLOYD/PATILLO (his
first wife was Rebecca Patillo, d/o James Patillo and Elizabeth
FLOYD.)marriage that also intermarried with the descendants of Capt. Robert
HICKS.

This is MY opinion ONLY and NOT to be construed as fact. So, we are still
trying to find that link of Rebecca HICKS to Pocahontas. Family tradition
through all of the lines state this heritage as coming from Sarah, not
Benjamin which would have to be the case. Benjamin was Nansemond, not
Powhatan, so there is no connection there. I am extremely interested in
this man and his 2 wives, as both women are my 4th great grandmothers. His
second wife, Martha (MOSS) CLEGHORN had a granddaughter who married a
grandson of John H. Bass and Rebecca Patillo. No in-breeding here .

I think that the BEST person to discuss these connections would be Carol.
She is far more knowledgable on this line as I do believe that it is hers.
She has done an excellent job at researching the HICKS and other families
of Brunswick County. An asset to us all.

Lea		01/02/1998 11:09:07
Persi-Ancestry, Inc. DatabaseVKRatliffBarbara Neal had asked from some specific Poythress Persi's off of this
database....for the benefit of the group, I'm copying all 21 of these from the
database. Barbara's query for specific and later ones infers that we already
have the earlier ones. This is correct inference....so if you see one from an
"old" source (e. g. W&M Quarterly), you might want to ask your question on our
wire before you go to a lot of trouble to run it down. Several of us have the
entire Swem index copies which contain these earlier articles.

Also, one may correctly infer from the short list (only 21) that the Persi
index lists
"stand alone" articles and does not list only "references to the name".

>
Persi list from Ancestry, Inc. Database 1/3/98

Surname: Batte
Article Title: Bolling-Batte-Eppes-Poythress, Notes, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 10Number: 1 (July 1902)

Surname: Bland
Article Title: Peter Bland-Anne Poythress Fam., Note, Virginia
Periodical: William and Mary Quarterly
Volume: 26Number: 2 (October 1917)

Surname: Bolling
Article Title: Bolling-Batte-Eppes-Poythress, Notes, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 10Number: 1 (July 1902)

Surname: Eppes
Article Title: Bolling-Batte-Eppes-Poythress, Notes, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 10Number: 1 (July 1902)

Surname: Pothryess
Article Title: Poythress Fam., Virginia
Periodical: William and Mary Quarterly
Volume: 15Number: 1 (January 1935)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Bolling-Batte-Eppes-Poythress, Notes, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 10Number: 1 (July 1902)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: F.A. Poythress Bible, N.P.
Periodical: Georgia Genealogist
Volume: Number: 40 (Fall 1980)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: F.A. Poythress Bible, N.P.
Periodical: Georgia Genealogist
Volume: Number: 48 (Fall 1982)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Francis Poythress, Charles City Co., Virginia
Periodical: Sons of the Revolution in the State of Virginia Quarterly
Magazine
Volume: 4Number: 4 (October 1925)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: John Poythress Will, 1712, Virginia
Periodical: Southside Virginian
Volume: 9Number: 4 (October 1991)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: John Robertson-Martha Poythress Bible
Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
Volume: 31Number: 1 (February 1993)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Peter Bland-Anne Poythress Fam., Note,Virginia
Periodical: William and Mary Quarterly
Volume: 26Number: 2 (October 1917)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress and Preston Fam. Recs., Virginia
Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
Volume: 33Number: 2 (May 1995)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress Family Note, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 33Number: 1 (January 1925)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress Family Notes, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 19Number: 4 (October 1911)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress Family of Virginia
Periodical: William and Mary Quarterly
Volume: 14Number: 1 (January 1934)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress Family, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 26Number: 4 (October 1918)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Poythress Family, Virginia
Periodical: Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
Volume: 7Number: 4 (April 1900)

Surname: Poythress
Article Title: Robert Poythress Will, 1743, Virginia
Periodical: Southside Virginian
Volume: 8Number: 4 (October 1990)

Surname: Preston
Article Title: Poythress and Preston Fam. Recs., Virginia
Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
Volume: 33Number: 2 (May 1995)

Surname: Robertson
Article Title: John Robertson-Martha Poythress Bible
Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
Volume: 31Number: 1 (February 1993)		01/03/1998 6:20:12
Persi-Ancestry, Inc. DatabaseCharles Neal1-3-97

Thanks, Maynard, for pulling down the PERSI listings for Poythress. I
actually prepared & submitted to Magazine of Va Genealogy the below-listed
one (referenced twice, to both Poythress and Preston). It is a
transcription of a record of my gggrandfather's family ( i.e. marriage &
children of James Edward Poythress and his wife, Catherine S. Preston) and
it includes her birth family's record, listing the births & marriages of
the children of Joshua Preston, her father. Unfortunately, the record
contains NO information about the siblings or parents of James Edward
Poythress.

> Surname: Poythress
> Article Title: Poythress and Preston Fam. Recs., Virginia
> Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
> Volume: 33Number: 2 (May 1995)

> Surname: Preston
> Article Title: Poythress and Preston Fam. Recs., Virginia
> Periodical: Magazine of Virginia Genealogy
> Volume: 33Number: 2 (May 1995)

Thanks again,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		01/03/1998 9:28:49
PERSI - Robertson BibleCharles Neal1-3-98

I looked up the Magazine of Va Genealogy reference shown on the PERSI list
as being in Vol. 31, Number 1 (Feb 1993) and as being entitled "John
Robertson-Martha Poythress Bible." The index of that issue actually shows
"Bible Records - Robertson & Legrand"

It contains the abstracts done by Daphne Gentry of 2 Bibles -- first a
Robertson Bible which is accession # 34362 at the Library of VA ("presently
owned by Robert L. Gilliam, South Boston, VA), and then a Legrand Bible
which is accession # 34360 at same Library.

The only Poythress mentioned in either Bible, is the first entry in the
Robertson Bible, indicating that John Robertson and Martha Poythress were
married on 9th Dec 1739. It does not indicate where they married or lived,
or anything about her parents or siblings. She bore 6 children, 3 of whom
died in infancy; the 3 who didn't are John, Mary, and son Francis. Martha
died 24 May 1751; John didn't die until 21 Oct 1765. After Martha died,
John married Mary Poindexter in Dec 1752 and had another 5 children by her;
William, Elizabeth, daughter Francis [sic], George, & Ann. Mary's death
isn't mentioned, but Ann, her last child, was born March 1760. Then in Oct
1760 either John married again or else possibly it was his eldest son (also
named John Robertson) who married Sarah Blaikley [sic]; their daughter
Martha was born 23 July 1763.

BPN		01/03/1998 10:05:56
Re: Brunswick County Deed BooksAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

The connections are starting to grow :-). Lea Dowd has John Hicks BASS in
her line and now Carol Morrison tells us that Harrison BARNER is one of
hers (SEE BELOW).

Moreover, Carol gives us a CLEATON - HARRISON - BARNER connection with
Elizabeth BARNER marrying Thomas CLEATON. We, of course, know we have a
POYTHRESS - CLEATON connection.

Immediately below are some of the relevant Poythress items. I still
believe the deeds may hold the answers to some of this.

6 Jul 1773 Thomas Poythress "of Prince George County, Va." sells to John
Dawson of Brunswick County , for 400L, "two certain tracts, containing by
estimation 525 acres.
[Note: Compare with patent for 325 acres to John Poythress, Gentl., 1736
and patent for 200 acres to John Poythress, 1723]

Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. Son of Thomas POYTHRESS. Died in Screven County,
Georgia.
He married Edith CLEATON, daughter of William CLEATON & Jane POOLE, 14 Jul
1781 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Surety for marriage: William Cleaton
(Edith's father). Marriage Records 1765-1810 Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

20 Aug 1795. Deed Book Brunswick County: Thomas Poythress of Brunswick
County to George Hicks, for 50 pounds, 85 acres of land. Source: SAR
Magazine July 1928 pg. 61.

2 Mar 1796 John and Martha Cleaton sold 98 acres in Mecklenburg to Lewis
Poythress. Abstracted from Deed 10, page 62, Film #0032536 of Mecklenburg
County.

Carol Morrison Wrote:

Al, Harrison BARNER is mine! He was the grandson of Benjamin Harrison
and son of John BARNER and Elizabeth HARRISON. Rebecca HARRISON, sister
of
Elizabeth, married Robert HICKS, son of James HICKS. Nancy HARRISON,
another sister
married John HICKS, and Benjamin HARRISON, Jr., married Martha HICKS,
also a child of James HICKS.

In addition to that, Tabitha BARNER, daughter of John BARNER and
Elizabeth HARRISON, married Miles HICKS, son of James HICKS (originally
from Brunswick Co. but died in Henry/Pittsylvania Co., Va). AND,
Elizabeth BARNER, daughter of John
and Elizabeth (HARRISON) BARNER is the one who married Thomas CLEATON
(i.e., the one where the POYTHRESS) comes into play.

> >
> > Re: Lea Dowd's John Hicks Bass Connection
> >
> > Great. I wonder if we (you, that is) have anything that might connect
John
> > Hicks Bass with the properties we identified just South of Ft.
Christianna?
> > As I recall, we did establish that John Poythress was one of the land
> > holders and that subsequently we find Thomas Poythress selling what
appears
> > to be (not positive) parcels of the same property.
> >
> > Perhaps others of you have a better recall of this than I do at the
moment.
> > I don't quite know why we dropped this analysis of these deeds, but
> > perhaps Lea's connection will give us an incentive to return to it.
> >
> > Also, Lea -- do you have a Harrison BARNER connection? I ask because
we
> > see him listed, along with Thomas POYTHRESS, as a witness to this
> > transaction.
> >
> > Happy New Year,
> > Al Tims
> > ----------		01/03/1998 10:13:41
PERSI - WillsCharles Neal1-3-98

The two wills that were captioned in the list of PERSI references (John
Poythress, 1712; and Robert Poythress, 1743) are among the many wills that
are already listed at our Poythress website.

BPN		01/03/1998 10:43:40
Re: progenitor/ancestor numberingWilliam A BridgforthHi Folks - Happy New Year

I am interested in the status of our progenitor/ancestor numbering
project that we discussed in early December. I thought the work that Lyn
did with "the cards" was great. I would like to see us move ahead now
past the Chart A & Chart B stuff.

Could we agree on some numbers for our progenitors and begin adding to
the Batte info? Excuse my excitement - I don't mean to down play the
importance of the Persi list from Ancestry, Inc. Database.

THANKS for letting me have my "two cents worth."

Bill Bridgforth
wab705@juno.com		01/04/1998 4:04:24
Re: progenitor/ancestor numberingAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

I'm ready when you folks are to begin building the Progenitor pages. My
sense is that we're not trying to do much more than get a handle on all the
"starts and breaks" in the Poythress puzzle. Simply getting a list of
known pregenitors would be a wonderful contribution and might make it
easier for all of us to keep things straight.

We can always redo (or translate) any numbering system folks want to use.

Best,

Al Tims

----------
> From: William A Bridgforth
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: progenitor/ancestor numbering
> Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 5:04 PM
>
> Hi Folks - Happy New Year
>
> I am interested in the status of our progenitor/ancestor numbering
> project that we discussed in early December. I thought the work that Lyn
> did with "the cards" was great. I would like to see us move ahead now
> past the Chart A & Chart B stuff.
>
> Could we agree on some numbers for our progenitors and begin adding to
> the Batte info? Excuse my excitement - I don't mean to down play the
> importance of the Persi list from Ancestry, Inc. Database.
>
> THANKS for letting me have my "two cents worth."
>
> Bill Bridgforth
> wab705@juno.com
>
>
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>		01/04/1998 6:16:26
Re: progenitor/ancestor numberingVKRatliffBill.....don't worry about pre-empting the Persi stuff, its not that big a
deal.

I think we all opted for modified Henry system which was Craig's
recommendation that everybody liked. My new program says it will assign
modified Henry numbers
"automatically" but I think I see a real freight train coming at us if we all
start plugging folks in willy-nilly with out some "controlling legal
authority" (to use the term of a now living august statesman) to assign
numbers.....or heck, maybe they assign themselves.

I just can't believe that if I plug in Thomas as my "progenitor" and someone
else has
Thomas' daddy as a progenitor that its going to "come out all right". It is
beginning to strike me that we really need a master list to be working on but
I sure don't know how to get there. Accepting all offers of
help.....reasonable or otherwise.

Maynard

01/04/1998 11:27:14
James Speed Poythress Markerwayne scruggsTo all on Poythress List:
I mentioned to Al Jr. during the summer that I would like to get a
marker for James Speed Poythress's grave. There is so much history in
his family I hate for there not to be some sort of memory visable of
him. He suggested that I put it on our web site to see if anyone would
like to make a donation, he said he would be willing to donate something
, and he was sure his mother Nell would. I spoke to a few others also.
Myself, my brother Carl Speed, our cousin Francis Earl Poythress,
Barbara Wolf and Barbara Neal are all willing to donate something.Any
amount you want to donate would be appreciated. We located the
gravesite and took a picture of it. We checked at the Marble Co. in
Meridian. We can get a marker for $175.00. We will have it erected and
check on it when it is finished. Let me know by e-mail if you are
interested and how much. I will then let every one know when we reach
our goal, any money over that amount will be returned to the people who
sent it. My address: 1701 East Gate Trail, Stone Mountain,Ga. 30087.
Thanks,
Judy Speed Scruggs		01/04/1998 12:20:40
ProgenitorsAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Craig Scott just sent me the following note. I'm sharing it with all
because I figure we might as well just jump in and start making a list of
the known progenitors. I know that we have some names from Georgia,
Florida and Virginia that remain unconnected. I seem to recall a "stray"
found in Mississippi some time before the migration into Sumter County
Alabama. Lets just start posting every name we have of folks with
unknown parents. Fair enough?

Maynard & Bud might kick things off with the Georgia fellas. Whatcha say?

I'll create a simple web page for starters so we can keep track of names
already listed. We can refine it as we go along.

Best,
Al Tims

Craig Scott Wrote:

I still have not solved the problem of being able to upload info to the
net.
Would you send me your list of progenitors. I only have about five names so
far.

I think we should have a construct that has two types of progenitors. Those
that belong to mulitple generational groups and those that are loose or
strays that we do not have a clue about. So:

P001 = Francis, the Captain
P002 = Lewis of Mecklenburg
P003 = David (probably of P002)
P004 = Benjamin of Petersburg

S001 = William of Petersburg
S002 = ...

or something like this.

Craig		01/05/1998 8:49:00
[Fwd: James Speed Poythress Marker]wayne scruggs01/05/1998 8:54:12
Progenitor James Edward PoythressCharles Neal1-6-98 from Barbara Poythress Neal:

James Edward Poythress was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, VA
PARENTS NAMES NOT KNOWN TO ME AT THIS TIME
Sources re birth:
(1) Family Record in Bible format, copied in 1938 by Ben Edward Poythress,
Jr. on his 18th birthday using a quill pen and attempting to copy the
handwriting from the old then-deteriorating Family Record of James' family,
which old record was then in the possession of Ben's uncle, Nathan Hamet
Poythress, who was a grandson of James Edward Poythress. Color photocopies
of the 1938 hand-transcription, and a subsequent typed transcription by
Barbara Poythress Neal, are on file at Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA;
the Virginia Historical Society in Richmond, VA; Samford University
Library's Special Collections Room in Birmingham, AL; and the Lauderdale
County Dept of Archives and History in Meridian, MS. This record is
referred to below as "Poythress-Preston Family Record Copied by Ben E.
Poythress, Jr."
(2) The (typed) transcription of this same document was published in the
__Magazine of Virginia Genealogy__, Vol. 33, Issue 2, May 1995, pp.
111-114, referred to below as MVG, May 1995.
(3) __Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr. and James Edward and Catherine
Smith [sic] Preston Poythress, And Descendants, And Related Families:
Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, Peel, Pinson__ by Betty Lawrence (Meridian,
MS: Mount Barton Publishers, 1993), p.114. [Note: Author died Aug. 1993.
Her books are published by her husband, Dr. Tom Lawrence; publisher's
address is 4201 Pineview Dr; Meridian, MS 39305; phone (601) 482-2505]
This book is referred to below as "Lawrence."

James Edward Poythress married Catherine S[peed] Preston on 6 Feb 1828 in
Brunswick Co, VA.
Sources re marriage:
(1) Poythress-Preston Family Record Copied by Ben E. Poythress, Jr.
(showing her middle name as Speed)
(2) MVG, May 1995
(3) Brunswick Co, VA Marriage Register, 1751-1853, entry of 29 Jan 1828,
of which copies are available from Library of VA on their Reel 51:254
(showing Catherine with only a middle initial, which could be "S" or could
be "T")
(4) Lawrence, p.114.

James Edward Poythress moved from Mecklenburg Co, VA, to Sumter Co, AL in
approximately January of 1853, with above-mentioned wife and all 8
children, and reportedly with his nephew, James Speed Poythress. Source:
(1) Newspaper article about Mrs. Rebecca Lavender (daughter of James Edward
Poythress), "Pioneer Woman of Magic City Near To Century Mark: Celebrates
Her Ninety-Fourth Anniversary With All Of Children Present." (with her
photograph), __The Birmingham News__, Birmingham, AL (Thursday, 17 Nov
1932) [Note: article quotes her re the family's six week trip in a covered
wagon from Virginia to Sumter County, AL when she was 14, but unfortunately
does not mention her cousin James Speed Poythress being with the family.]
(2) Lawrence, p.113.

James Edward Poythress died 17 Jan 1863 in Sumterville, Sumter Co, AL His
wife Catherine died there in Oct 1884
(1) Poythress-Preston Family Record Copied by Ben E. Poythress, Jr.

James and his wife Catherine are buried in Sumterville Methodist Cemetery,
Sumter Co, AL where no marker has been found for them among the overgrowth.
(1) Lawrence, p.115.		01/06/1998 7:47:35
David Poythress-ProgenitorBeetle72Al,
Don't know what additional info you might want at this time, but will submit
the following for the progenitor list:

David Poythress, first documented in Mecklenburg County, VA, has the following
inscription on his tombstone:

Jan. 26 1800
Sep 26 1876
Gone But Not Forgotten
David Poythress

He is buried in Henderson, NC (Vance County) Elmwood Cemetery

Best,
Barbara (BPW)		01/06/1998 11:18:15
Re: Progenitor James Edward PoythressAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

I have taken Barbara Poythress Neal's progenitor write up for James Edward
Poythress and created a simple web page under the Studies and Charts
section of the Poythress Web site. I'll likely create a separate
Progenitors Page to list all the ones we create. I haven't tried to create
a numbering system just yet. We may find that we can link to other
information already up on the web page -- like the studies of Thomas
Poythress, etc.

Basically, lets experiment with what seems to work best for us as a
reference source. All ideas welcomed.

The direct URL to the James Edward Poythress page is:
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ProgJEP.html

or just go to the Poythress web site and follow the Studies and Charts
link:
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Best,
Al Tims		01/06/1998 11:46:54
John Poythress of Brunswick Co. 1760 Personal InventoryAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

I've "finally" added the transcription done by Lyn Poythress Baird's mother
to the Poythress web pages. She transcribed the personal inventory for
John Poythress, Jr. in July 1760. I've added this entry to the Wills &
Estate Records page. The direct link to the inventory is:

http://www1.minn.net/~atims/jpinvent.html

My apology to Lyn for my delay in getting this up. I hope we'll be able to
add more of documentation of this nature.

Best,

Al Tims		01/07/1998 11:25:24
Progenitor David PoythressBeetle721-9-98 from Barbara Poythress Wolfe

David Poythress was born 1880-1806, presumably in Mecklenburg Cty., VA.

Parents are not currently identified.

Sources re birth: These conflict as to the correct birth year.
(1) The monument in the Elmwood Cemetery, Henderson, Vance County, NC carries
the inscription "January 26, 1800, Sept. 26, 1876, Gone but not forgotten,
David Poythress".
(2) The 1850 Mecklenburg Cty. VA census (Roll 432 #960, p. 112) shows his age
as 44 which would date his birth as 1806.

Extant records in Mecklenburg Cty. VA record land transactions of David there
between the years 1837 and 1852. See Mecklenburg Cty. VA Deed Book 7,
1836-1838 Reel 13 p. 331, 332: Book 31 1843-1845, Reel 15, p. 253,254, and
Deed Book 34 1852-1855, Reel 17, p. 87,88. These records show David purchasing
a total of 565 acres.

Sources re marriages:
(1)David married Mary Speed Dortch 17 December 1827. From Mecklenburg County,
VA Marriage Bonds and Consent Papers 1825-1828 A-Z. Mary's death date is
unknown.
(2)David married Sally Dortch 15 March 1848. From North Carolina Archives,
Warren County Marriage Bonds. Batch # 6330315, microfiche p. 6406, record #100
01 200. Sally's death date is unknown.

David died in Warren Cty., NC Sept. 26, 1876 and is buried in Elmwood
Cemetery, Henderson, Vance Cty., NC in the family plot of his son Charles
David Poythress.
Sally was still living at this time. See the Letters of Administration, Warren
Cty. Probate Court, 31 Jan. 1877.		01/09/1998 4:29:06
www.interloc.comVKRatliffFor those of you not familiar with this site, please let me try to acquaint
you with this resource. I have used it with success for finding used and/or
out of print books and/or otherwise obscure books. Interloc claims a database
of 3.2 million titles.

Interloc is a commercial site which charges book dealers for "space"
(listings) of
their wares. There is no "listing" or "membership" charge to the consumer.
The consumer uses Interloc's search engine to locate a book in the database. A
"hit" brings up a listing of dealers owning the book, condition description,
price, etc. Interloc provides a hot-link or an address to each dealer with
the book in inventory and the consumer contacts the dealer directly.
Presumably Interloc profits from association fees charged to dealers.

Some mechanics:

* the search engine is on page 2 after clicking "search" on page 1 and one
need go
no further. Subsequent pages are solicitations for dealers to join and only
get
confusing.

* the search engine is kind of clunky, especially with long titles of
genealogy
books. Often a second, third, or even four try using variations of title,
author's
name, subject is required to locate a title.

* I have seen no guarantees of satisfaction from Interloc so presumably you
are on
your own in your transaction with the dealer. My experience has been
satisfactory. Thats not to guarantee a problem free transaction every time.

* some "used" book dealers aspire to be "rare" book dealers and that often
gets
plugged into the "come out" price. I have used the Michaelangelo gambit
with
occasional success: look friend, I know you got Michaelangelo there but I'm
not
looking for the Sistine Chapel, I'm just a farmer who wants his barn
painted....so
lets talk used book. If it really is a rare book and I already have the
text
photocopied from somewhere else, I usually just drop it....but that of
course
depends on how badly one wants the book.

Hope this is helpful. Craig, please set the record straight if I have erred
in any of this.

Maynard		01/10/1998 8:33:10
Going awayCharles Neal1-11-98

Folks, I just wanted to let you know that any lack of input from me in the
next 2 weeks should not be misinterpreted. I am currently preparing for
two back-to-back genie-researching trips, both of which will be 'way too
brief, sandwiched around an intense business trip. Will be out of reach of
email pretty much until Saturday evening Jan 24th.

I say "pretty much" because I will have time to read my email (though not
to write & send messages) tomorrow, Mon night & Tues night, Jan 12-13
around packing & making preparations research-wise.

And I hope to have time on Jan 19 to just scan thru any accumulated
messages, though again I won't have time to respond then.

Here's hoping that all goes smoothly & I'll be back with you in a couple of
weeks.

Barbara
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		01/11/1998 3:11:57
PoythressMurphyI have spent some time on the most interesting Poythress web site. I
wonder if someone can tell me something. Does anyone have any
Poythresses in VA in the late 1600s? My Poythress who allegedly md
Joseph Goode of Whitby VA would have been born ca 1690.

Also, so far I am just clicking on the web site address from an e-mail
letter in my files. In case I ever have to type it, is it www(one) or
www("el") How does one distinguish the numeral from the letter?

Thanks for education. Hazel		01/11/1998 7:15:24
FTM Internet SurnamesVKRatliffRandy Jones....

Randy:

I got into the Family Tree Maker Internet Surnames, poked in P. and now, 50
pages later the thing hasn't even broken a sweat.

I find all my south Georgia folks listed by the each, punch them up and I get
that
GED2HTML format with all sorts of French, English, German, and Spanish names,
presumably forebears but unlinked on that particular page. I made the
connection to you since it says "the page" (the individual page) is sponsored
by you.

My imagination can't make the leap from Myrtice Poythress born and died in
great
modesty in rural south Georgia to Gugilelmo II di CEVA, Marquis di Saluzzo.

What am I doing wrong? It looks like these pages could go on forever.

Thanks,

Maynard		01/11/1998 7:36:17
N.GA.G.N.VKRatliffA lady named Rhonda Hawkins is hustling a new newsletter, North Georgia
Genealogical Newsletter......16 bucks a year for 6 issues....didn't
particularly sound like a deal to me but I don't have anybody from North
Georgia.

However, if anyone in the group is interested the address is:

Rhonda Hawkins
North Ga. Genealogical Newsletter
351 Bingham St.
Marietta, Georgia 30060-3986

I suspect she got access to membership list of Georgia Genealogical Society,
of which I am a member.....which could be the reason I got an "invitation" and
probably no one else on the listserv did. It seems to be starting a tad
slowly....first issue had one query and one family group sheet but I guess
everybody's got to start somewhere.

Maynard		01/12/1998 2:42:11
Re: more P researchersVKRatliffYou be's right.....Sumter County....sorry about that...I got some kind of
Freudian block about keeping Butler and Sumter straight. Anyway, Patti, he is
one of your'n...
and a neat guy too.

MP

01/12/1998 3:16:50
Joseph GoodeMurphyJohn, let's hope I get this mailing right. I am fairly new at the
intricacies of e-mail. Thank you for the details of the Joseph
Goode/Poythress marriage. I shall try to answer questions. First, you
ask about the lady's age. No, I am not sure of that. I based it on the
birthdate of Joseph who was born between 1688 and 1700. On the other
hand, all of these early Goodes have a range of birth-years that gets
ridiculously large at times. I have one that has a 20-30 year gap in the
guesses. Joseph was son of John Goode and Anne Bennett. He was still
under age when John died in 1709. Also, John married Anne Bennett as
second wife between 1668 and 1670. That gives us a range.

This certainly makes our Miss Poythress an older woman than the nine
sisters, doesn't it? Since Rev. Deward C Williams gave no supporting
evidence, I have never been satisfied with his statement. Perhaps he
latched onto a Goode/Poythress marriage which is not this Joseph. What
do you think? So, to answer your question, no I do not feel confident of
my source. I never had contact with Rev. Williams. A mimeographed copy
of his paper was sent to me by another Goode researcher.

I think that what I need to do now is to become familiar with the
Poythress family, something I have not attempted before I got baptised
into the Internet :-). With all of you around, I can now get an
education.

I doubt I have anything you do not but, just in case, will summarize.
l. An outline of Poythress Family assembled from notes in GENEALOGIES
OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES - William & Mary Quarterly, Vol 4, pp 182-210.
I was going to list the family sheets that I made from that outline
but I see that it will be too long. They are all the early people -
1600s-1700s.

Now that I have found the Poythress group, I shall put myself to study.
At least, I may learn something of Poythress and prove or disprove the
Goode marriage. As you doubtless know, VIRGINIA COUSINS, the Goode
family book also has plenty of errors and guess-work. A friend and I
straightened out some of them a few years back.

By the way, the above Joseph Goode is mentioned in VIRGINIA COUSINS but
no wife is given. Another reason to believe that the "Mr. Goode" is not
Joseph. Since I have more Goode data here than Poythress, I shall set
myself to re-checking that. If I spot any suspicions, will pass them on.
Meanwhile, thank you for your welcoming and helpful words. Hazel		01/12/1998 7:41:38
Re: more P researchersCharles Neal1-12-98

Clarification from BPN re:

Message text written by VKRatliff to Patti:
> Even though he is in Atlanta now, I am fairly sure Earl is a part of
Barbara Neal's Butler County,
> Alabama crowd since Earl's grandfather was James David P. and his great
grandfather was
> James Speed Poythress. Earl (again assuming we are talking about the
same individual)
> was born in Meridian.

Not Butler Co, AL. Correct places are Sumter Co, AL & Meridian, Lauderdale
Co., MS.

Patti, since I didn't see your original question/comment that Maynard is
responding to, on the Poythress List, to which I thought you subscribed, I
don't know if this matters. Patti, Earl is kin to you, since you & he are
both descended from James Speed Poythress.

Bye - gotta go pack. Will return late 24th.
BPN		01/12/1998 7:59:43
Rev. WilliamsMurphyDespite wrong address, I got the first one, thanks to the CC address.
Now, that is a good outcome! I found the papers from Rev. Williams.
Wanted to quote him exactly: "Joseph Goode, of Albemarle Co, VA, born
1688, mar. Miss Poythress, said to have been of Royal descent". Isn't
Albemarle a "fur piece" from Prince George County VA? Whitby is in
southeastern VA near, if I am not mistaken, Richmond and the family
moved constantly westward. Hazel		01/12/1998 9:46:33
Mr. Goode/Miss PoythressVKRatliffHazel, I have this nagging feeling that somewhere I have later research on
this particular Miss Poythress but here is all I can find:

Francis Poythress, appears Va. 1633. Probably b. 1609 Newent, Gloucestershire
(baptismal record) m. Mary ________ (best guess seems to be Sloman).

Son John Poythress m. Christian Peebles

Son (of above), Robert, is a high probable (1690-ca 1745)

Robert had one son (Peter, styled "of Brancester", 1715-1785) and nine
daughters ("the nine Misses Poythress"). The daughters are not named by given
names nor are their husbands. It is stated a daughter (no chronological order
given) married Mr. Goode "of Whitby". My source (Dr. Wm. B. Hall writing in
mid-30's) says Mr. Goode is "not mentioned in Goode's Virginia Cousins".
Subsequently, Peter and wife Elizabeth Bland had eight daughters, "the eight
Misses Poythress", not to be confused with his fathers "nine".

Sources:
1)Torrance family papers, Va. Hist. Soc., MSS # T6353d
2) R. Bolling Batte notes on Poythress family, Va. Hist. Soc. MSS # T3316:1
3) Maitland family bible. I have seen and have a copy of the fly pages of
this bible
but forgot to record the MSS #. It is in the Va. Hist. Society. It states
"The nine
Misses Poythress married....1) Mr. So. and So, etc. The one marrying Mr.
Goode is # 3 on the list but I wouldn't be inclined to make her # 3 in age
on that
basis alone. The Maitland family bible is a contemporaneous source.

Observations:

1) My guess would be that we have the right couple. No other suspects appear.

2) Its a bit troubling that Dr. Hall (highly respected in these matters) plus
Bolling
Batte (a Virginia colonial expert in his own right) both make Robert's
birth date
to be 1690......which is the ca date you have for the daughter that
married Mr.
Goode. Unless you feel confident about the quality of your source, I'd be
inclined to lean to Messrs. Hall & Batte, based on track record alone.
But I
wouldn't bet the farm on it so if you have have confidence in 1690 for
this
daughter's birth date, I'd be pleased to hear about it.

2) You bring to us Mr. Goode's given name Joseph which is an addition to our
information. I'd certainly appreciate a brief for what you have on him.

Hazel, apologize for the sketchy information. If/when I'm able to dig out all
the names I'll certainly pass them along.

If you wish to address your reply to me at the Poythress listserv address (the
cc address above) you probably stand a chance of stirring up a member with
better research than mine.

Regards,

Maynard

John M. Poythress
(vkratliff@aol.com)		01/12/1998 10:48:41
Re: more P researchersVKRatliffHi Patti, and thanks for the information. I think I already have the "link"
with Francis Earl P. but just to be sure....he did indeed do a ton of work,
most of it laborously hand copied while he was on civil engineering assignment
with a pipeline company doing some work in Virginia. If fact, if its the same
Earl we have talked on the phone several times. His notes pretty well fill up
a super-size three-ring binder and I believe Earl mentioned at one time that
his daughter helped him do some of the typing to put his papers together.
Earl was kind enough to send me xerox copies of the whole shebang.

Even though he is in Atlanta now, I am fairly sure Earl is a part of Barbara
Neal's Butler County, Alabama crowd since Earl's grandfather was James David
P. and his great grandfather was James Speed Poythress. Earl (again assuming
we are talking about the same individual) was born in Meridian.

If we are zeroed on the same guy what we may want to get to him is the access
URL's for the list and the page. I don't know if Earl has done anything
lately but he
has some first rate material and was a serious researcher at one time.
Hopefully,
his genealogy virus is only lying dormant and we can get it to metastasize. I
don't know if he is on-line or not but I do know that I need to phone him and
get him politicking for my brother in the upcoming Ga. gubanatorial race.

I'll bait Earl with the notion that if my brother David wins that race we get
access to the second thru seventh floors of the Georgia Archives.

Thanks for jogging my memorybone, Patti. Now, is there anything I actually
need to do if I have the right Earl?

Best,

Maynard

01/12/1998 11:08:33
I told you so.VKRatliffWell, Lea Dowd has certainly given us a full plate!....for the time being at
any rate...jump in there and comment, would you, you gals have left me behind
as usual. From personal experience, I can tell you Lea doesn't often blow
smoke...if she's got it, give it credibilty.

Maynard

01/13/1998 1:57:14
Anne P. / Richard BlandVKRatliffHazel: Mr. Batte makes it 1721-1758 for Anne P. who married Richard
Bland....no ca's, no abt's, etc....right on the money....at least in the
gospel according to Mr. Batte.

And just to keep the pot boiling, they had a daughter (Elizabeth) who marries
Peter Poythress 1715-1785 "of Branchester" as in "I'm my own grandpa". That
one bends my mind. Send me your snail mail address and I'll mail you a copy
of R. Bolling Batte's "Chart of the Poythress Family in Virginia"....from
whence commeth all this mystery. Go to the website, click on Batte Chart and
look for numbers 271 (Anne Poythress) and 281 (Peter) who marries Elizabeth
Bland, daughter of # 271.

Best, Hazel....try not to freeze up under all that ice...and don't send it our
Louisville way as you all in Mo. usually do.

Maynard		01/13/1998 2:26:27
Mr. Goode of AlbemarleMurphyWell, I have lost the message from the person who suggested that
Albemarle County might have been Albemarle Parish. I like that idea more
and more as I study the map. Prince George and Surry are right next to
Henrico, where John the immigrant settled, and Chesterfield, where some
of John's children settled.

Having said that, I want to quote from VIRGINIA COUSINS by G. Brown
Goode. This is on page 38 after very brief bio of Joseph. "Mr. Alexander
Brown, of Norwood, informs me that Joseph and Thomas Goode are mentioned
among the early settlers of old Albermarle Co., about the middle of the
last century. These were, without much doubt, Joseph Goode, No. 40, and
his elder brother."

It does occur to me that, with Prince George so close to Joseph's family
home, he could easily have met and/or known her. I was envisioning a
great chasm which really does not exist.

This is not helping. But, having Joseph's birthdate, it does seem that
we want a Poythress woman at least a generation back from those "nine".
Hazel		01/13/1998 4:07:43
Joseph GoodeMurphyA brief P.S. to letter just sent. I should have said we want a Miss
Poythress of an older generation or a Joseph Goode of a younger
generation. Hazel

01/13/1998 4:11:57
1/13 WSJVKRatliffJust so you won't miss it, there are THREE, count 'em: 1, 2, 3.....articles
about
paper and boxes in Section B. Inland mentioned for our customary exemplary
leadership....NOT.

MP		01/13/1998 4:58:02
Wall St. Journal Msg.VKRatliffPlease ignore. Your humble spastic sent to wrong address.

Maynard

01/13/1998 4:59:55
Joseph GoodeMurphyThis is a follow-up to an earlier letter about Joseph Goode who
allegedly married Miss Poythress. It is not my intention to burden all
of you with Goode material. Just enough for speculation. Some of my
thoughts.

If Joseph Goode had only one child, John/Daniel Goode, born 1715/20 (as
VIRGINIA COUSINS says),there is another way to look at this. Miss
Poythress could be a second wife and much younger than he. To make it
more interesting, there is a will in Chesterfield County VA, Deed Book
1, p 27, 2 Jan 1752, that some have ascribed as the above Joseph. I
doubted it but could be if he had a second family.

That will names grandsons William and Joseph Pleasants, daughters Mary
Radford and Elizabeth Akin, son Richard but does not name John/Daniel. I
always felt this was not our Joseph. Could it be that these are Miss
Poythress's children? Would she be twice a grandmother by 1752?
Is anyone in VA in a position to check on these surnames? I do not have
any Goode marriages in VA that early among my "collection". Add to those
names that Mary Radford is said to have married first Aaron Hoskins.
(Sidenote: John Daniel Goode's son was named Joseph Hoskins Goode.)

Now, two brief questions. Will someone please tell me the correct birth
year for Anne Poythress who married Richard Bland? My source said 13 Dec
1712. Cannot be. Her father was born 1715, wasn't he?

The other: On my outline of the Poythress family, I have a few
Poythresses that are unidentified. Wish someone could help. They are (1)
brothers Thomas E and Joshua. Thomas married Beersheba and d. ca 1847.
(2) siblings Richard who md Susan Robertson and Susan who md Mr.
Harwood. (3) Joshua Poythress md Mary Short and had: Elizabeth, Joshua
and William, all born before 1756.

Now, I have taken more than my share of time. I shall rest. Thanks
loads. Hazel		01/13/1998 5:59:26
Re: Mr. Goode of AlbemarleLea L. DowdDear All,

Coincidentally, I have been exchanging iformation with a wonderful GOODE
researcher. We were having an "age" discussion about Joseph Goode. Rhoda
has graciously given her permission for me to share some of her wonderful
research with this group. I think that she has done an excellent job.
Please excuse the cut and paste....



Your suggestion that there was an older Joseph Goode could be correct.
However, I've not found anything on any Joseph Goode
: in Weisiger's Henrico Co. records before 1708. (Unless I've overlooked
something which is certainly possible.) I've rechecked Henrico Co. deeds
1677-1705 and there is no mention of any Joseph Goode. In the Wills, Part
One 1654-1737, the first date that any Joseph Goode is mentioned is in 1709
when John Goode wrote his will. In his will, John Goode left to his son
Thomas Goode two negroes "Abraham and Ned." Thomas Goode wrote his will
on May 31 | 1718:
: |
: | "Will of Thomas Goode of Henrico Parish
: | To brother John Goode, 100 acres joining my brother's at "Whitby" and
negro Abraham To BROTHER JOSEPH GOODE, 100 acres, being part and 1/2 of
land given to John, NEGRO BOY NED, clothes, etc. If Joseph die, my sister
Anne to possess the 100 acres, etc. All the rest to brother John, and he to
be executor Dated 31 May 1718. Wit: John Green, John Wiley, Mary wiley,
John Levingston. Recorded 7 July 1718."
: | --------
: | The will of Joseph Goode dated August 14, 1761:
: | "In the name of God -- etc. -- I Joseph Goode of Dale Parish in
Chesterfield County being of sound and perfect mind and blessed by God do
this fourteenth day of August one thousand seve hundred and sixty-one make
and publish this my last Will and Testament in manner following viz: first
I give to my grandson Joseph Pleasants after the Death of my wife MY NEGRO
MAN NED ......"
: |
: | I believe it is a real possibility that "my negro man Ned" mentioned in
the 1761 will of Joseph Goode is the same "negro BOY Ned" that Thomas Goode
left to his brother Joseph Goode in his 1718 will, most likely the same
"negroe Ned" given by John Goode in his 1709 will to his son Thomas Goode.
Notice that Thomas Goode's will referred to Ned as "negro BOY" and Joseph
: Goode's will referred to Ned as "negro MAN."
: |
: | As stated above, the first mention of Joseph Goode in the deed records
is the deed you mentioned from Edward Stratton to Joseph Good dated 1 July
1708. But I made a mistake previously when typing up the date that John
Goode's will was written. It was either 9 Nov. or 29 Nov. 1708 -- not
1709. The will was recorded on 1 April 1709. So, we only have about 4
months between the time that Joseph bought the 50 acres from Edward
Stratton and the date that John Goode wrote his will. I think Joseph was
at least probably almost "of age" when John Goode wrote his will. I'm
really not very knowledgeable about the laws in those days so don't really
know at what age a young man was allowed to buy land and would appreciate
any information that any of you have
: regarding this question. Any comments or corrections to the above will
be greatly appreciated.

This discussion started because of the wife of Joseph GOODE. John GOODE
left his will in Henrico Co., VA. Henrico Co., VA, W & D 1706-1709 P. 156.
9 Nov 1708/1 April 1709. In this will it specifically states, Son, Joseph,
when he comes of age. The will of William Clarke (Henrico Co., VA, W & D
1710-1714 P. 226.) names his daughter Jane GOOD. So she was married before
Jan 1712/13.

Joseph Goode was the son of John Goode of Henrico County and Anne
Bennet, his second wife. He married Jane daughter of William Clarke of
Henrico County. Joseph and Jane Goode appear as witnesses to a deed
from Lewis Tanner to Aaron Haskins on 15 May 1745. The will of William
Clarke, executed on 17 January 1712 and recorded 5 October 1713, makes
bequests to his wife, Mary, daughters, Jane Goode and Mary Clarke, and
sons, William and Allenson Clarke. Additional research on the Clarke
family is necessary.

Hope that this helps some. Would love to have any additional information
on this line.

Thanks,
Lea & Rhoda		01/13/1998 6:05:48
Re: I told you so.Lea L. DowdMaynard,

Thank you for the compliment, but most of this is Rhoda's work. She has
been a wonderful asset to me in assisting with many of the collateral lines
that I am researching. I am very impressed with her research and
documentation of such. She has found many connections.

So, thank you for the compliment, but I cannot take credit for Rhoda's
wonderful work. This is her family line.

Lea

01/13/1998 8:13:30
Re: Anne P. / Richard BlandLea L. DowdMaynard,

This is from secondary sources, so use with care....

Some Old Norfolk Families; Meredith show Richard Bland born 6 May 1710 and
death as 26 Oct 1776.
HSF; Boddie shows Ann Poythress born 13 Dec 1712 and death as 9 Apr 1758.

Both books give their marriage and a date of 21 Mar 1728/29.

Lea		01/13/1998 9:04:34
Joseph GoodeMurphyLea, that is a marvelous analysis of Joseph. So, he really is the man in
Chesterfield County. Makes sense since his step brothers went there. If
Rhoda is willing, I surely would like to be put in touch with her.
Thanks millions. Hazel

01/13/1998 9:38:44
Re: FTM Internet SurnamesRandy JonesIf you are using an FTM index, it will most always be out of date. Go
either to Gendex.com or directly to our website at:

http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/surnames.htm

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On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, VKRatliff wrote:

> Randy Jones....
>
> Randy:
>
> I got into the Family Tree Maker Internet Surnames, poked in P. and now, 50
> pages later the thing hasn't even broken a sweat.
>
> I find all my south Georgia folks listed by the each, punch them up and I get
> that
> GED2HTML format with all sorts of French, English, German, and Spanish names,
> presumably forebears but unlinked on that particular page. I made the
> connection to you since it says "the page" (the individual page) is sponsored
> by you.
>
> My imagination can't make the leap from Myrtice Poythress born and died in
> great
> modesty in rural south Georgia to Gugilelmo II di CEVA, Marquis di Saluzzo.
>
> What am I doing wrong? It looks like these pages could go on forever.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
>
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>		01/13/1998 9:47:10
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Name problemVKRatliffThis is the reverse of your problem but I am reminded of a friend named
R.(only) B.(only) Jones who joined the Army. Sure enough, his first paycheck
was
made out to Ronly Bonly Jones.

Maynard

01/14/1998 4:01:24
Sally (Sarah) PoythresscjacksonHello All: Can someone tell me who the parents of Sally (Sarah) Poythress who married
Richard C. Lee, Esquire of "Lee Hall" are. I seem to have her loose from her parents.

Cheryl

Randy Jones wrote:

> If you are using an FTM index, it will most always be out of date. Go
> either to Gendex.com or directly to our website at:
>
> http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/surnames.htm
>
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> On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, VKRatliff wrote:
>
> > Randy Jones....
> >
> > Randy:
> >
> > I got into the Family Tree Maker Internet Surnames, poked in P. and now, 50
> > pages later the thing hasn't even broken a sweat.
> >
> > I find all my south Georgia folks listed by the each, punch them up and I get
> > that
> > GED2HTML format with all sorts of French, English, German, and Spanish names,
> > presumably forebears but unlinked on that particular page. I made the
> > connection to you since it says "the page" (the individual page) is sponsored
> > by you.
> >
> > My imagination can't make the leap from Myrtice Poythress born and died in
> > great
> > modesty in rural south Georgia to Gugilelmo II di CEVA, Marquis di Saluzzo.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong? It looks like these pages could go on forever.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
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Re: Sally (Sarah) PoythressAlbert R. TimsPoythress List & Cheryl,

In answer to your question about Sally Poythress m. 'Squire' Richard Lee:

>Hello All: Can someone tell me who the parents of Sally (Sarah)
Poythress who married Richard C. Lee, Esquire of "Lee Hall" are. I seem to
have her loose from her parents.
>
>Cheryl

Hope this helps (see below).

Best,
Al Tims

Richard 'Squire' Lee (1726-1795) married Sally Poythress (1768-1828).

Sally Bland Poythress was the daughter of Peter Poythress (of Branchester
to
distinguish him from Peter Poythress of Flowerdew Hundred).

Peter Poythress (1715-1785) of Branchester m. ca 1756 Elizabeth Bland
(1733-1792), daughter of Richard and Anne (Poythress) Bland of Jordan,
Prince George County.
She and her sisters were known as the eight Misses Poythress. Sally Bland
Poythress m. (1) at Branchester, Richard Lee of Westmoreland County, son of
Henry and Mary Bland Lee of that County. Four Lee children were born of
this marriage. In 1796, Sally m. (2) in Westmoreland County Willoughby
Newton, son of John and Elizabeth (Vaulx) Newton of that county. There were
five children by this marriage.

'Squire' Richard Lee is buried at Burnt House Field in Westmoreland. Sally
Bland (Poythress-Lee) Newton was buried at Lee Hall in that county. Richard
'Squire' Lee inherited Lee Hall from his father Henry Lee (1691-1747)m. Mary
Bland (1704-1764).

"Beyond sixty, Richard brought as a bride to Lee Hall a sixteen-year-old
first cousin known for her beauty. Her name was Sally Poythress. She was a
grand-daughter and he a grandson of Richard Bland. Before the Squire died
in 1795, just short of seventy, he had fathered four lawful children."
(Nagel, 1990).

Sources: R. Bolling Batte, Chart of Virginia Poythress Family in Virginia
(unpublished),
Paul C. Nagel, The Lees of Virginia, Seven Generations of an American
Family, Oxford University Press, 1990.		01/14/1998 10:24:48
Chas. City Co.Lea L. DowdThis may be old news....

Charles City County Patents.
Bk 1:439 13 July 1637
Francis POYTHUS
400 acres North upon the head of land now in possession of the sd Francis
POYTHUS.		01/14/1998 10:39:03
Miss. State ArchivesVKRatliffA few days ago we were given a site to take a look at:

ftp://ftp.msstate.edu/pub/docs/history/USA/19

I couldn't get it to work and gave it to Barb Neal. Barb broke the code. You
have to
go at it in stages:
ftp://ftp.msstate.edu
then select "pub"
then select "docs"
then select "history"
then select "USA"
then select "19"......or you can select other options to explore anywhere
along the
path above.

I think I have worked it out pretty thoroughly. Its an absolutely terrific
site if you want "history". You can see original text on everything from John
Adams' 1797 inaugural address to John Marshall writing for the court in
Cherokee Nation vs. The
State of Georgia in 1831.

There may or may no be some history in which we are interested....documents
from Bacon's Rebellion, Gov. Beverley's reports to the Crown, etc. If you
have any of these interests you might want to note the address. However, for
strictly genealogy purposes I didn't see much there for us.

Maynard		01/14/1998 11:03:22
Re: Chas. City Co.Lea L. DowdAnd another...
Charles City Co., VA Patents PB 2:139. 8 May 1648
Captn. Francis POYTHRES 750A lying or near unto the mouth of a creek called
Baylyes Creek.		01/14/1998 11:14:44
Our Poythress surnameBPoythressHi probably kin folks,

Like probably you, I've been getting an awful lot of junk mail of late,
addressed to me showing my name with a "middle initial" (which of course I
don't HAVE, nor NEED - with MY first name!), and wondered just where these
people got it from?

Well, just maybe I've found out their source! So, if you haven't
stumbled onto this just yet, just give this URL a try:

www2.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?F=&L=Poythress&T=&S=&SR=&MEM=1

Then type the 'last name block' the surname "Poythress," and if you wish
a particular state, but I left it state block blank and you have the listing
of all Poythresses and their addresses + phone numbers (and e-mail addresses
for some) in the US! Or if you wish, just for a particular state, be my guest
and take that route.

Only 8 names and addresses per page....... and there was my name listed
under 264 with the middle initial "R" which is obviously incorrect. Then
there are duplications as well, for I see our son Joseph Eugene "Gene"
Poythress, III listed as Gene Poythress under his Cumming, GA (near Atlanta)
address as well as under a NC address too (they have a mountain cottage on
King Mountain at Highland, NC also.

And too, I see a couple members of the same family also being listed, but
with the same addresses.

Just thought you might take a look see, if you haven't already checked
this out.

Take care,

Bud		01/14/1998 12:52:29
Re: Sally (Sarah) PoythressVKRatliffRandy, I have them as:

Peter Poythress ((1715-1785) the Peter styled "of Branchester" and Elizabeth
Bland.

Elizabeth Bland is daughter of Anne Poythress (1721-1758) and Richard Bland.

This relationship is defined on Batte text on Webpage, they are # 271 & 281-6.

Incidentially, I have never seen this lady as "Sarah", always as
"Sally".....would be interested to know if you have her somewhere as "Sarah".

Maynard		01/15/1998 2:38:14
Secondary sourcesLea L. DowdDear All,

I had to laugh today, especially after the secondary source discussion
yesterday. Here is a wonderful example of why original research is needed.

In "Some Old Norfolk Families" by Meredith on P. 216 there is a discussion
that goes as follows...

"Hancock Lee, son of Col. Richard, was a Justice of Northampton Co. in
1667. .... He married first, in 1675, Mary Kendall, the daughter of Colonel
William Kendall of "Newport House" in Northampton Co He married secondly,
Mary Allerton of Westmoreland Co."

Then... in "Lee of VA" it states that Mary Allerton is the daughter of
Thomas Allerton and Elizabeth Willoughby.

Well I found this while reading today in William and Mary College
Quarterly Vol. XI, No. 2, P. 130. It tells of the tombstone of Hancock Lee.
It is located in a graveyard at Ditchey, in Wicomico, Northumberland.

"The inscriptions of Hancock Lee, Esq. and his two wives, are as follows:

Here Lyeth the Body of Hancock Lee seventh son of the Honorable Richard Lee
who departed this life May the 25th Anno Dom. 1729 AEta 56 years. Also Mary
his first wife, only daughter of William Kendall, Gent. Who departed this
life December the 24th Anno Dom. 1694 AEta 33 years, and Sarah his last
wife Daughter of Isaac Allerton, Esq., Who departed this life May the 17th
Anno Dom. 1731 AEta 60 years."

Sure appears to be something wrong here.... I may not be a rocket
scientist, but addition and tombstones surely don't lie by that much.... If
a man is 56 year old when he dies in 1729, I would estimate his birth date
as 1673. He wasn't even born in 1667, much less married in 1675...... It
also blows the Mary Allerton and Thomas Allerton, father to pieces.

For what it's worth,
Lea		01/15/1998 9:36:15
Robert Poythress' "nine Misses Poythress"VKRatliffHazel.....I can easily see that we have glazed your eyes over with all this
stuff....you had a simple question: who was the father of the girl (and who
is she) that married my Mr. Goode. You asked what time it was and we (I) told
you how to make a watch.

Your comment of today that these Poythress dates for that Goode couple "have
to be wrong" is well taken. The conclusion of this endless e-mail will, I
hope, suggest that the "nine Misses Poythress" are probably fiction.....or at
least the part about them all being sisters and all the daughters of Robert
Poythress strikes me as likely being fiction. A parallel conclusion is that
the "eight Misses Poythress" are legit.

Any number of researchers have shared their research on the "nine" and the
"eight" Misses Poythress. I think this will suggest that indeed they are
wrong about the "nine" but I'm not sure at all that there will be any answers
without finding three lost grooms which doesn't seem to pose that much
difficulty for the future.

But, Hazel, before wracking your brain about it any more wait until you get
the schematic of Mr. Batte's chart which is in the mail to you. It matches
the text "R. Bolling Batte-Trial Chart of the Poythresses in Virginia" which
is on the webpage. However, laid out in chart form on a 17 x 11 page the
question comes clear as a bell....and I can almost say as much for part of the
answers. And for anyone who has signed on to the list since I last made the
offer, if you want a copy of this Batte Chart just send me your snail mail
address and I'll be happy to put one in the mail to you.

Now for you, Hazel, please don't even try to think about all the following
until you have the chart because the chart makes the question crystal clear.
But, since most of the others on the list do indeed have the chart I'm going
ahead and sketch this out in the hopes that one of our bright ones will have
the answers all neat and tidy by the time you get the chart.

In the matter of the famous "nine Misses Poythress" and the "eight Misses
Poythress" I think there are some problems with the "nine". The reputable
genealogists speak:

1) Dr. W. G. Stanard (who wrote a number of articles for the Boddie works and
is highly regarded) says:

" Robert Poythress had one son and nine daughters. His oldest son, Peter
Poythress, of Branchester, married Elizabeth Bland, of Jordan's, and had eight
daughers and one son. (Notice the father [Robert] of Peter Poythress of
Branchester, had nine daughters and one son, and Peter Poythress, of
Branchester, had eight daughters and one son; hence the family connection
which has spread all over Virginia, and so often spoken of as the descendents
of "nine Miss Poythress'," or "the eight Miss Poythress',"..the nine being
sisters of Peter and the eight his daughters). The nine, as remembered by
older members of the Poythress-Batte connection, married Goode, of Whitby;
Gilliam, Eppes, Rubsiman, Morrison, Lee, Cocke, Baird and Harrison, etc.,
etc."

I'd say Dr. Stanard doesn't show much doubt but I don't think we are going to
be 100% comfortable with "as remembered by older members of the family" as
being "authority".

2) In "The Torrance Papers" (MSS # T6353D, Va. Hist. Soc.) a Mrs. Mary Wells
of Washington, D. C. writes in 1928 to Rev. Torrance and says the same as the
above but lays it out all pretty in chart form. Rev. Torrance must have had
infinite patience because he writes back about 14 typed legal pages in which
he essentially says part of what is on the Batte Chart; i. e. that Peter
indeed had eight daughters but he DIDN'T have any nine sisters but that he
(Rev. Torrance) doesn't know exactly who Peter's siblings actually were.

3) Dr. Wm. B. Hall (1 Feb. 1933, Hall in Wm&Mary Quarterly) shows at the top
of the page in his Synopsis of the Poythress and Bland Connection" : "Robert
Poythress, one son, nine daughters". If he's wrong its not for not trying
hard enough; Dr. Hall has done the most and apparently hardest work on the
early family. But keep in mind, he's operating in 1933. Dr. Hall wrestles
this bear through page after page of trying to fit nine brides with nine
grooms but seemingly never questions the issue that there WERE nine daughters
of Robert.

4) The handwritten text of the "Maitland Bible" has a page that simply begins:
"The nine Misses Poythress married:
1. Mr. Baird
2. Mr. Gilliam
3. Mr. Goode
4. Mr. Runciman
5. Mr. Morrison
6. Mr. Lee
7. Mr. Eppes
8. Mr. Bland
9. Mr. Cocke

These sisters had one brother, Peter Poythress, who married Elizabeth Bland
who had eight daughters and one son as follows, etc., etc.

Not much doubt on the part of this author either...but as I was reading it I
just had the feeling someone had to be putting it down from memory...and
didn't want to strain his or her brain trying to match all the brides names
with all the groom's names and didn't (or couldn't) even supply the given
names of the brides OR the grooms. I just didn't get a confident feeling
reading it.

5) next up, Mr. Batte....(see chart) who makes his statements
unequivocally....Peter's one son and eight daughters he accepts and shows
their dates (on the chart). As for Robert and his one son Peter (also on the
chart) and Robert's supposed NINE daughters, Batte clearly states the
offspring to be:

1. Peter (1715-1785) also "of Branchester", m. Elizabeth Bland
2. Robert
3. William
4. Jane m. John Baird (matches one of the presumed 9 grooms)
5. Tabitha (1725-1805) m. Henry Randolph (does NOT match)
6. Elizabeth m. John Gilliam (also matches one of the presumed 9 grooms).

Three daughters is not quite nine. Batte states that some of his names
(above) come from the will of Tabitha who refers to her father's will of 1743
which HAS SINCE BEEN LOST Surely Batte knew of the claims of the other
authors. Batte did his chart in 1977 and the other claims had been around for
at least 25 years.

My guess is that Batte saw so little or no evidence that he figured the nine
daughter story was someone's fantasy or even a collective fantasy and he
(Batte) was just too polite to show them up.

Okay, so what do we bring to the question? Well, that would be Robert
Poythress' PRESUMED MISSING 1743 WILL...or at least an abstract of it...and
its been on the webpage for some time now. It lists offspring (in order):

1. Son Robert
2. Son Peter
3. Son William
4. Daughter Elizabeth (Poythress) Gilliam
5. Daughter Mary Anna (Poythress) Minge
6. Daughter Agnes (Poythress) Harwood
7. Daughter Tabitha
8. Daughter Susanna
9. Daughter Jane

Well, Mr. Batte proves right as he most often does. Assuming the will to be
genuine, it likely has a mortal lock on the correct information. Batte got 6
out of 8 (men and women) and only omitted the two, Agnes and Mary
Anna...consistent with his method of putting down on paper only the
certainties and leaving off the ones he can't prove or doesn't ever hear
about.

At this point I am willing to speculate:

a) the "nine Misses Poythress" is a fiction that came out of a totally
understandable scenario. By the time the sweet little old folks got to
swapping stories ("as remembered by older members of the family") there had
been two generations of almost literally an army of eligible brides in their
memories of the past: Peter's nine daughters, Robert's six daughters, plus 14
other eligible brides who were cousins to those two generations, and this
doesn't even count the other eligibles who would have been part of "the
Francis line".

b) the "eight Misses Poythress" (daughters of Peter) is correct information.
There is just too much incontrovertable evidence on their behalf. Its on the
chart with dates.

c) there WERE indeed nine GROOMS and it is highly probable all nine married
Poythress brides even if the brides weren't all part of "the nine Misses
Poythress". We already have some and only need to find Poythress brides for
the last three grooms.

Using that groom's list for starters, Messrs. Lee, Eppes and Bland married
Poythress brides...but their brides were all part of the REAL "eight" Misses
Poythress in the second generation. Mr. Gilliam married one of the supposed
first generation "nine", Elizabeth. Mr. Baird also married one of the
supposed "nine", Jane.

Mr. Cocke married Elizabeth, a third cousin to "the nine"and daughter of
Joshua and Elizabeth Robertson.....and with this one we are now into a THIRD
generation which suggests either a) this REALLY was an old story by the time
gets written down OR...b) there was an earlier Cocke groom. Given the dates
on the Batte chart "a)" is quite likely the answer unless earlier Mr. Cocke
jumps off the page at us somewhere along the line.

All of the above accounting for grooms can be taken right off of the Batte
chart.

We have now accounted for 6 of the 9 grooms, leaving:

1) Mr. Goode of Whiby....of which I know nothing...sorry about that Hazel. But
there
is too much smoke for no fire....he had a Poythress bride from somewhere,
we
just have to find her.

2) Mr. Runciman....he of the several spellings and I have seen his name all
over the
place in reference to his Poythress bride but I just can't remember where
I saw
it. I'm sure it will turn up in my papers sooner or later.

3) Mr. Morrison...of him I have a dim recollection but can't remember from
where.

Folks, I'm brain-dead by now. Somebody take over and prove me completely
wrong as usual, would you. Or, if you think I'm right just find logical
Poythress brides for the three grooms above.

Best,

Maynard

P. S. "print" this and I think it will come out 8 1/2 x 11 and much easier to
read.		01/16/1998 7:14:05
Look Up Mag. ArticleVKRatliffCouple of weeks ago, we surveyed the Ancestry Library database looking for
articles from periodicals that we do not already have.

There were three, all of which I agreed to look up and relay to the group in
the manner most appropriate after look-ups in the GDAH and the SAR library.

Two concerned articles in the Georgia Genealogist (F. A. Poythress Bible) in
Fall, 1980 and Fall, 1982. I will look these two up and copy them when I go
to the Georgia Archives in February.

The third article was titled: "Francis Poythress, Charles City Co., Va."
published in the periodical "Sons of the American Revolution in the State of
Virginia Quarterly Magazine". I visited the Sons of the American Revolution
Library yesterday (their national headquarters is here in Louisville). No
luck....they don't subscribe to or keep this publication.

Could we ask one of you in Virginia to please see if you can find this
article. There was no date for the particular issue of this periodical.

Many thanks,

Maynard		01/17/1998 1:32:09
Re: Robert Poythress' "nine Misses Poythress"Yes, but that is the only information that I have ever had. Family
stories are that Tabitha's mother was another Elizabeth Bland. That is
why I was so interested in your analysis. Between Batte's chart and other
information on the Blands, it has left me as confused about all the
various Elizabeth Blands as we have been about the "Misses
Poythress". My original research question posted on the webpage has
all the info that I have found. Some of that info is from personal
correspondence quoted in Wassell Randolph's "Pedigree of descendents
of Henry Randolph..." that I cannot trace. (My name is mispelled and
my date is wrong as given to Mr. Randolph by my deceased grandmother
before he published it when I was a child.)

It really is not important who she is, I'm just curious. I find that
often family stories have a grain of truth in them. Another myth is
that the Randolphs are descended from Robert the Bruce. John Randolph
is quoted as having talked/written about it. I have found dear Agnes Randolph
but no verified connection. I have found Robert de Brus, HIS ancestor, in the
family!

I love solving mysteries!

Elise Courtney H. Markham
wry@aye.net

01/17/1998 1:38:28
Look Up Mag. ArticleCharles Neal1-19-98

The correct citation for the article Maynard mentioned that we still need
to locate is:

Oct 1925, Vol 4, No. 4, issue of "Sons of the Revolution in the State of
Va Qtrly" which article is entitled "Francis Poythress, Charles City Co.,
Va"

Too bad the Sons national HQ didn't have it !! Hope someone can locate it.

BPN		01/19/1998 1:47:13
LondonVKRatliffPat Crewe

Pat.....I don't know why I haven't thought to mention this to you before.

I don't know how much poking about you have done on internet but somebody
(U. S. I think) has developed and is sponsoring a "format" for listing
genealogical information. I believe its name is GED.HTML or something to that
effect. I am sort of underwhelmed with it because a) all it has is blanks for
names with birth/marriage/death dates with no additional information and b) it
seems to attract more fantasy genealogists that one can shake a stick at.
There are Charlemagnes, Robert de Brus'es, and William the Conquerors coming
and going so one intuitively
takes it all with a lifted eyebrow.

At any rate, the received and unanimous Poythress knowledge of a half dozen or
more of the posters in this format is:

Father: Joshua Poythress b. 1588 London m._______ Peachey
Son: Francis Poythress b. 1614, London, Middlesex.

I have some suspicion that a number of these posters got the information from
other posters instead of an original source. Still, there are so many places
it is posted as above and there are enough of them (the posters) to at least
ask ourselves if the information might not be legit.

So, my question is.....with this degree of precision in telling us where to
look....is there a handy way to just take a look at only these specific years
(1588 & 1614) for London (I know that London doesn't make it particularly
easy)....and if not or if
impractical may we just keep these names and dates on our check lists as we go
about looking as we would be doing anyway?

Just a thought. Thanks.

Maynard		01/19/1998 2:30:06
Poythress articles wantedMurphyTHE GEORGIA GENEALOGIST. #40 Fall 1980 and #48 Fall 1982. Poythress
Bible. Family record pages are Manuscript #20, Special Collections,
University of Georgia Library, Athens, GA 30602.
Births. F.A.Poythress born April 4th 1836 (written in pencil
"Francis A Poythress age 64 April 3 1836"; the entry is cross-hatched).

Mary's and Maria's children
Logan was born June 28rd 1856
Nathaniel was born Oct 6 1858
Waverly? was born Oct 28 1859
Madaline was born Feb 26 1860
Luciane was born May 4th 1862
Alice was born April 27 1864

Mary Lorane Poythress Sept. 3rd 1856; 1856
Eugene Ware Gay was born Sept 25th 1863

Deaths:
Joseph A Poythress died April 14th 1853 aged 64
Mary Poythress died Sept. 29, 1854, aged 56
Francis A Poythress died Oct. 2nd 1859 aged 23
Lieut. E.S. Ware was killed June 25th 1862 at the battle near
Richmond
Lieut. J.T.Gay died from wounds received in the battle around
Petersburg, was wounded on the 25th of March died on the 28th of April
1865

Chapter II in preparation asap. Hazel		01/19/1998 3:59:58
Sons of the RevolutionMurphyGenealogical Section - Sons of Revolution Quarterly Magazine of
Virginia, Vol 4 #4 page 33, Oct 1925, prepared by Rev. Clayton Torrence.

Captain Francis Poythress, of Charles City County, came to Virginia
circa 1635; member House of Burgesses from Charles City, 1645 and 1647,
and from Northumberland County 1649; commanded against the Indians in
1645; died prior to 1661. He was father of: Major Francis Poythress, of
Charles City County; Magistrate, 1677; militia officer; married Rebacca
(surname unknown); and had issue: Capt. Francis Poythress of Westover
Parish, Charles City, and Prince George Counties, VA; died prior to
April 1738; married Hannah (surname unknown) and were probably parents
of: Peter Poythress of Prince George County, VA., who married Elizabeth
(surname unknown) and had issue: Anne Poythress (1712-1758). married
Richard Bland (1710-1776). of Jordan's Prince George County. (See Bland
below.)

Peter and Elizabeth Poythress had also a son, Peter Poythress of
Prince George County whose son Peter Poythress of "Branchester" Prince
George County married Elizabeth Bland (daugher of Richard and Ann
(Poythress) Bland). and had issue: Jane Poythress married Joseph Mayo
(1771-1820) of Henrico County. (See Mayo above.)

It's all right Maynard. Louisville stole the FFA from us. Guess we can
have the SAR. Will mail hard copies as soon as I know where to direct
them. We also have an A1 postal service :-). Hazel		01/19/1998 4:11:38
Chas. City Co.Charles NealLea,

Thanks so much for the land info re Francis in Chas City Co. Even when we
have seen such items before, it helps jog the memory-bone to see them crop
up again.

Barbara (BPN)

01/19/1998 10:02:50
Our Poythress surnameCharles NealBud,

Good to hear from you again. I have to tell ya, from you having been a
pure novice not all that long ago, re getting into using the computer
rather than a typewriter to be in touch with us fellow Poythress searchers,
seeing you now refer to a URL tells me that:

You've come a long way, Baby!!

Keep on keepin' on!
Best to you, Merle, & the whole crew.

Barbara (BPN)

01/19/1998 10:02:54
ArticlesVKRatliffWow! We've been giving our "business" to the wrong supplier:). Great work.
Tell me where you found the Francis article. I can't wait to give that snoot
at SAR hdqrs. some grief.

Snail mail is Maynard Poythress, 2903 Glen Hill Court, Louisville, KY
40222-6159.

For Francis in Virginia, I'll check that against the "Torrence Papers" from
Va. Hist. Soc....I'm purely guessing here but I don't expect any surprises.

For the Georgia bible...."chapter 1".....this is brand new stuff and of great
interest !

Going to go out on a limb here and wait for someone to saw it off: even
though
F. A. or Francis A. is cross-hatched at the top I'm gonna make a few guesses:

1. "Mary & Maria's children"....Logan thru Alice....were not Poythresses,
plus
neither were Mary or Maria.. I've been though those censuses a
million
and I'm going through again in February. None of those names, or
anything
even close, are hooked to Poythress on the censuses. (and I'm going
thru
original censuses not those rinky dink indexes that miss half the
folks
listed) If they are Poythresses, I can't find them..not in Georgia
at any rate.

2. Despite the cross-hatching, I'm guessing Francis A. Poythress was
indeed
b. 1836 and he is also the same Francis A. Poythress died 2 Oct 1859
because I have a mortality schedule for the State of Georgia for 1860
which
lists deaths of the previous year and there is a Francis Poythress
listed dying
at age 24 (close enough) in Troup County, he is listed as a
"merchant" and
cause of death is stated rather bluntly: "liquor". I'm also going
to guess he
was the son of the Joseph A. & Mary Poythress listed lower on the
page. I
know they had a son named Francis, that they lived and died in Troup
Co.,
and that Joseph A. was a prosperous businessman. If Francis is to be
characterized as "businessman" while he's in the process of drinking
himself
to death in his teens and early twenties its a decent guess that he
inherited
a business of his father Joseph who died a few years before him and
left
him a business to run.

3. I won't be surprised if this is a South Carolina bible and that's
pure hunch.

Again, great work, Hazel.....we're all deeply appreciative. Can't wait to see
chapter
2 and the hard copies.

Maynard		01/19/1998 10:22:04
F. A. Poythress BibleVKRatliffHad a feeling you wouldn't be the "chat room" type.....but believe me, I know
many other-wise intelligent folks who are absolutely hooked on that stuff.
Maybe they are lonesome folks who love to hear themselves "talk"....because in
my brief spurts in a chat room I sure never heard many folks "listening".

Anyway, about Francis A., WELL, you do indeed bring up a good point (what
about that "age 64" ?)that I hadn't thought of. What we know for sure is that
"a" Francis A. Poythress died in 1859 and he was in Troup County where a
prosperous couple named Joseph A. & Mary Poythress who had a son named Francis
lived. We also know this dying Francis was about 23 years old when he died so
1836 looks like a "deduceable" birth date for him as opposed to that being an
"age" for him.

I guess I had overlooked that "age 64" and now that I AM looking at it I
suppose I don't know WHAT to make of it. I don't say ignore it just because
its crosshatched
but that does, after all, suggest the author (or a later author) thought
SOMETHING was wrong with it. It couldn't have been the suggested Francis'
father because a "b. 1836" would be too young. But it remains
troubling....one just doesn't "put down" a "64" as a typo or mis-
entry....somebody thought it meant something even if that somebody later
changed his or her mind. The proximity of the birth dates 4 Apr and 3 Apr
sort of argue for the fact that someone was "correcting" and "the guy" was the
same.

But "correcting" from a later point in time or contemporaneously?....You say
(or somebody says) the Apr 4 birth was written in pencil which implies to me
that the other entry was written in pen......Now, what were the cross-hatches
written in? Maybe thats a clue.

Another possiblity stems from a factor that you may not be aware of.....about
10% of the Poythress males who ever lived seem to be named "Francis". It
wouldn't be especially surprising to find just "another guy" named Francis to
be the Francis of the entry at the top of the page. But logic (and thats all)
tells me there is just too much evidence suggesting that its all the same
fellow (no proprietary claim on what is "logic" is implied).

Maybe one of the Sherlocks out of the group has a better idea? Barbara
Poythress Neal can usually find one of the usual suspects in these situations,
what do you think, Barb?

Best,

Maynard		01/20/1998 3:10:02
Re: LondonVKRatliffCheryl.....I'm putting this one up on the board figuring someone can help....I
never heard of the place. I assume you are referring to this as a potential
source for that
Joshua b. 1588 and Francis b. 1614?

In a message dated 98-01-20 00:33:14 EST, you write:

> Subj: Re: London
> Date: 98-01-20 00:33:14 EST
> From: jackson1@arkansas.net (cjackson)
> To: VKRatliff@AOL.com (VKRatliff)
>
> Maynard: I know this is not right, but isn't there a Queen Anne, Margaret
> of something
> House in London, that has all the British records from way back. My son
> went there
> once when he was in the Air Force. Wish I could remember the right name.
> He told me
> that all the parish church and courts sent copies of the records there as a
> central repository, and it was mandated by law that they do so. Oh I hate
it
> when I can't
> remember a name.
>
> Cheryl		01/20/1998 6:06:17
Resource ProjectsVKRatliffSomeone is working on Dr. William B. Hall's papers at the Chapel Hill Library.

Whomever you are, when you go I'd appreciate knowing how the papers got to UNC
as that is, superficially anyway, a very illogical place for the papers to be.

Dr. Hall's undergraduate work was done at UVA, probably his med school work,
and then he retired to Selma, likely his home.

I can think of several places I would have looked for these papers before UNC.
My only guess would be that the papers wound up at UNC in that collection of
journals of the Southern Historical Society.

Its not a big deal but some of us would be happy to have our curiosity
satisfied.

Many thanks,

Maynard Poythress

01/20/1998 9:52:54
URL: Troup County, GABeetle72The Troup County GA Historical Society has a website at:
http://www.lgc.peachnet.edu/archives/tcarchiv.htm

Barbara (BPW)

01/20/1998 11:48:17
LondonHi Maynard,
I am afraid it would be impossible to look at the registers for the
years 1588 and 1614 for London. It was a big place even then and every
church had it's own records.
I rather feel that the information you found has just been taken from
the IGIs and that it was given by someone who was taking a guess at
their ancestors. If they had actual baptismal or marriage records they
would have put the exact date and the name of the church.

They may, of course, be correct but I still favour the written baptism
of a Francis Poythress 12 July 1609 in Newent parish register, to John
Poythress. It may not be the same Francis who went to America but it is
a primary source record.

Are there any other references to a Joshua Poythress and how do we know
he was married to a - Peachey? As far as I remember Francis did not
name a son Joshua but did name one John, and it would have been unusual
in those days for none of the sons to be called after his grandfather.

Has anyone investigated the IGI entries for the baptism of Joshua and
John? There are various numbers at the end of each entry but I am
afraid I don't know what these mean - perhaps they would tell us where
the information originated.

Maurice has contacted the National Maritime Museum, a marine records
office in Bristol and the Public Record Office concerning details of
ships crews and passengers in the early days of trade with America.
Their preliminary searches revealed nothing for the names he gave them.

Best wishes,

Pat & Maurice		01/21/1998 9:43:42
Help!VKRatliffIn working on the study of Georgia Land Lotteries, I was trying to copy and
paste
a piece out ot "Time Line - Meredith Poythress, Jr." and I lost the thing.

Does anyone have that time line for "Jr." saved in document form that you
could e-mail to me?

Many Thanks,

Maynard

01/21/1998 9:58:16
Re. London recordsHave just read the message from Cheryl. The name of the records centre
in London used to be St. Catherine's House but this is now closed and
copies of all the parish registers etc. are now at the Family Record
Centre, 1 Myddleton Street, London EC1. However it would take many, many
visits there to look at every parish register in the London area even
just for the years 1588 and 1614 and I feel that if there had been
anything to find, someone would already have done so. The IGIs compiled
by the Mormons covers all the parishes in London as far as I know, so if
there is no parish given in the IGIs it is probably not in the church
registers.
We haven't visited the new centre, as a journey to London is very
difficult when you have to use a wheelchair and if you go by car the
parking is impossible.
Pat		01/21/1998 10:11:14
Information that may helpCLamb5582Hi Everyone,

I joined another chat room and trying to find out how the Poythress is
connected to the Newsome's well anyway. I just want to tell you about a new
web page. It has been on for about 2 weeks and already has close to 200
surnames for the queries and growing everyday. There are also links to
Homepages by surnames, adoption information, how-to pages, research
volunteers, software, and different types and numbers of links are also
growing by the day. Go check it out.

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/Estates/6527

submit your queries, your web page or your favorite genealogy pages. They will
also help you, but to do so, they need you to help them. Send them your
comments, suggestions, questions, they don't mind. But please make them your
next stop.

If you like them tell a friend. They are constantly adding new things so visit
everyday if you can.

Cindy		01/22/1998 2:59:07
mp-jr-tl.docVKRatliffAbove is the file name and its probably dated slightly after 8/27 because 8/27
is the date of "mp-sr-tl.doc". (when I fooled with the jr. yesterday it
redated it and I'm assuming I did Jr. shortly after Sr. back in August). It
would probably have about
20M bytes as the Sr. one was twice as long with over 40M bytes.

Title of document in bold 16 pt. is
Meredith Poythress, Jr.
Trial Time Line....

and then, after short intro, follows the chronology same style as in the
Thomas time line.

Thanks again,

Maynard		01/22/1998 7:24:56
Brunswick Deed Book 15 - ScrubbedI recently did a "scrub for Poythress" of Carol Morrison's transcription
of Deed Book 15 of Brunswick Co., Virginia, located on the county website
[http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/]. DB15 roughly covers the period
1790 to 1794. The search was on "Po", so I'm fairly certain I covered
Poythress/Portress/Potress/Portis and so forth. There are a total of
three citations, two of which have been communicated previously to our
list. For completeness I am including all three. Thanks ever so much to
Carol Morrison! Your transcriptions are making web-based research
possible and real.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

*************************************************
This Indenture made this 12th Day of August 1791 BETWEEN Thomas Clary of
Brunswick County of the one part and Thomas Poythress of the same County
of the other part . . . for and in consideration of the sum of thirty
seven pounds . . . doth bargain sale and confirm unto the said Thomas
Poythriss . . . one certain tract or parcel of land containing eighty
five acres . . . lying and being in the County aforesaid and is bounded
as follows to wit BEGINNING at Wesson corner white oak on Rattle Snake
Creek the white oak being down have made a corner of a hicory thence by
his line to a corner hicory thence by George Hearnes line West to a
corner red oak on John Sewards line thence by the said Sewards line to a
corner sweet gum on the [ --- ] creek as aforesaid thence by the meanders
of the creek to the BEGINNING . . . Signed by Thos. Clary (his mark) and
Seally Clary (her mark). Brunswick County Court September 26th 1791.
This Indenture of Bargain and Sale was acknowledged by Thos. Clary party
thereto to be his act & deed & ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page
135.

This Indenture of Bargain and Sale was proved by the oaths of the
witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page 424. THE
COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA To William Robertson John Baird & William
Poythress Gentlemen Greeting whereas Edmund Harrison and Mary his wife of
the County of Prince George by their certain Indenture of Bargain and
Sale bearing date the 28th day of January 1793 have sold unto Joseph
Baugh of the County of Brunswick the fee simple estate of six hundred and
sixty four acres of land with the appurtenances lying & being in the
County of Brunswick and whereas the said Mary Harrison cannot
conveniently travel to our Court . . . to make acknowledgment of the said
conveyance therefore we do give unto you or any two or more of you power
to receive the acknowledgment which the said Mary shall be willing to
make before of the conveyance . . . and we therefore command you that you
personally go to the said Mary & receive her acknowledgment of the same
and examine her privately and apart from the said Edmund her husband . .
. the 3rd day of July 1793. By virtue of this Commission to us directed
we the subscribers have privily examined Mary Harrison the wife of the
within named Edmund Harrison in manner and form as the said Commission
requires and have received her acknowledgment of the Indenture hereunto
annexed . . . Certifyed [sic] under our hands & seals this 12th day of
August 1793. Signed by William Robertson and William Poythress. Brunswick
County Court September 23rd 1793. This Commission for taking the
acknowledgment & privy examination of Mary Harrison to an Indenture of
Bargain and Sale from Edmund Harrison & Mary his wife to Joseph Baugh was
returned together with a certificate of the execution thereof which is
ordered to be recorded. Deed Book 15, page 425.

This Indenture made this 20th day of March 1794 between Isaac Moseley &
Selah his wife of the County of Brunswick of the one part and John Hicks
Bass of the said County of the other part . . . for and in consideration
of the sum of thirty two pounds . . . doth . . . grant bargain sell alien
release and confirm unto the said John Hicks Bass . . . one certain tract
or parcel of land containing fifty two & 1/2 acres by estimation . . .
lying and being in the County of Brunswick & bounded as follows Vizt.
BEGINNING on Eaton's Road at a red oak thence S 34 W 9 chain 25 links
along Moseley's line to a white oak corner thence N 76 W 9 ch. 40 links
at an inside red oak corner thence S 29 W 18 ch. to a small saplin corner
on Frederick Cooks line thence along sd. Cook's line N 61 W 10 ch. to a
B. Jack corner thence along sd. Cooks line and Daniel Whites line N 10 W
65 ch. to a corner on said Whites line at the road thence along the road
S 70 E 36 chains to B. Jack thence along Mosely line N 33 E 183 chs. to a
B. Jack corner on Grief Harwells line thence S 6 E 12 ch. 75 links to
hiccory [sic] corner on sd. Harwells line thence N __ E 621 ch. to a red
oak corner on Bass's line thence S 30 1/2 E 675 chs. _____ sd. John
Bass's line to turkey oak corner on Mosely's road thence S 84 E 102 ch.
to the Beginning . . . Signed by Isaac Mosley and Selah Moseley (her
mark) and witnessed by Jno. Gholson, Harrison Barner, and Thos.
Poythress. Brunswick County Court April 28th 1794.
This Indenture of Bargain and Sale between Isaac Moseley & Selah his wife
of the one part and John Hicks Bass of the other part was acknowledged by
the said Isaac to be his act and deed and ordered to be recorded. Deed
Book 15, page 529.
**********************************************		01/23/1998 4:09:12
Batte Chart for Francis et alVKRatliffHazel dear......I am pleased to inform you of your next assignment :).

Maynard

01/24/1998 1:21:08
Re: Francis PoythressVKRatliffHazel.....

Re Thomas (1) we have the papers where his father (Francis [1]) contracted
with a
ship captain to take him back to England. There is an allusion (used in it's
proper sense, NOT as folks on TV use it once every 10 seconds) that Thomas is
in some kind of custodial care....in any event I don't think we have any
reference to this particular Thomas again. Most sources, absent any proof one
way or the other, reasonably assume he remained and died in England.

Yes, you are correct....the Batte chart is agonizingly incomplete. If indeed
the line is that Francis (1) had the four offspring (and Mr. Batte should not
be disputed lightly) and one of them was Francis, Mr. Batte has either ignored
this line or never felt compelled to dig into it.

Couple of thoughts: first, Mr. Batte was descended from the ranks of John P.
and had less interest in Francis;or, second, Mr. Batte just never got around
to it.

MP		01/24/1998 1:48:18
Francis PoythressMurphyOK,Maynard. I have Section A of the Batte chart in good form. Now, what
of Section B and Francis Poythress who md Rebecca Coggin? Do we have
that? Not sure I should dive. Might start confusing him with the many
Francis Gilleys but will try not to. Now, I see your point about the
nine Misses Poythress. Have not gone into the dates yet. That is next.
By the way, what happened to Francis, Sr's, son Thomas? Hazel

01/24/1998 5:29:51
John Poythress/Mary BatteMurphyI have this in my files. "Prince George County VA Miscellany 1711-1814"
by Weisinger III. p. 12 - from Accession Files of Virginia State
Archives. Accession #22483 Division of slaves of William Poythress dec'd
by decree of Prince George County Court __July 1775,...divided among
John Gordon and Lucy his wife, Ann Isham Poythress, and Mary Poythress
and the defendant Benjamin Poythress (heir of William Poythress and heir
of Sally Poythress). Recorded 1 Feb 1777

There follows a note (I know not whose) saying this William, son of John
and Mary (Batte) Poythress, md Sarah Eppes. His listed children do not
agree with those on the chart. (Note: that is my old chart and not the
Batte chart.)

My old chart has John (d. before 1721) who md Mary Batte as son of
Francis and Rebecca Wynn (is that Coggin?) Poythress. The Batte chart
shows John who md Mary Batte as son of John who md Christian Peebles.It
also shows William with above heirs as son of William and Sarah Eppes.
That is easy enough to see.

Question: were there two Johns who md two Mary Battes? Or, is something
else wrong? Surely hope this makes sense. Have cleared my desk today;
made two people happy with finds and dived into Poythress. Getting what
Maynard calls brain dead now. More another time. Thanks for answer on
the Johns who md Mary Battes. As indicated before, I do not yet have a
Batte chart for Francis Poythress Jr. Hazel		01/24/1998 6:09:21
Batte cardsMurphyYou said the cards are posted online. Where? Hazel

01/25/1998 1:08:38
F. A. Poythress BibleCharles Neal1-25-98

I have finally returned from being away for the better part of 2 weeks,
during parts of which time I was able to acquire lots more Poythress
material, not all of which I have gone thru in any depth yet.

Some of the things I want to go thru (hopefully this week) should clarify
the Francis A Poythress Bible entries. When I have a chance to distill the
info, I'll post the clarifications.

Now to get thru the Super Bowl party and get caught up on laundry and the
home front.

Barbara (BPN)		01/25/1998 3:24:10
Warren Co, NC recordsCharles Neal1-25-98

Listers,

In recent months, Jim Richardson has made available to some of us who he
knew would be interested in it, some copies of:

- Warren County, NC marriage entries for
--- John R. Twisdale (age 28 son of James H. Twisdale & Tabitha A.
Twisdale, both then living) & Alice M. Poythress (age 18 daughter of David
Poythress, dead, and Sally Poythress, living) in December of 1876;
--- James Twisdale (son of James H. & Tabitha Twisdale) and Lucy Poythress
(daughter of David & Sally Poythress) in Nov of 187??
--- Charles D. Poythress (son of David & Sallie Poythress) and India P.
Twisdale (daughter of James H. & Tabitha Twisdale) in December of 1870;
--- David Poythress and Sally Dortch in March of 1848

and
- several documents regarding the Warren Co, NC probate of the estate of
David Poythress, who was the father of some of the above folks & of James
S. Poythress;

and
- a Halifax, NC death certificate for Lucy Twisdale (i.e. wife in 2nd
marriage above) Aug 9 of 1922

If more of you are interested in getting copies of what he has made
available, let me know & give me your snail-mail address, & I'll mail you
copies.

Since Betty Lawrence's book, and their family tradition information is that
James Speed Poythress was the son of this David Poythress, it was great to
get copies of probate material that actually lists one of David's children
as James S. Poythress.

I would like to get more of the probate information that should be
available for this probate, in order to hopefully get even more
illumination. I'll copy below some of the comments I made in my message a
few weeks ago to Jim, upon receiving his copies. (Since I haven't heard
from him again since sending my message, I presume he is offline due
possibly to health or work commitments.) Perhaps some of you can shed some
light on these matters:

The copy of the Warren Co, NC probate estate information for David
Poythress is an especially valuable find. I would love to know, if any of
you know, whether the estate packet itself contains any of the individual
receipts which should have been signed by the various heirs, probably
between date of the 30 Nov. 1876 Inventory of his estate (which we have a
copy of), and the return signed by Administrator of the Estate, C.D.
Poythress on 28 April 1877 (which we also have a copy of). Such receipts
would give us a good idea where each of the heirs were living.

The usual procedure is that if an amount (say one-seventh of the estate's
value less its expenses) is sent off to Lauderdale County, Mississippi, for
James Speed Poythress, then we should see a receipt dated & signed there in
Lauderdale Co, MS. That could prove for us whether James Speed Poythress is
in fact one and the same as James S. Poythress.

Same thing for the other heirs including the mentioned as being unknown
children of Martha J. Tucker, who was already deceased by that time. It
could be ESPECIALLY valuable to know where George W. Poythress was, in case
we can in the future tie him as being named for & being a nephew of, or a
cousin of the George Poythress who we have found getting land in Jackson
County, FL, in 1827, who we know died in about July 1832, and in whose will
he named his brother Lewis who lived in Virginia. (This George's Will is
one of the ones at the Poythress website, in case you aren't familiar with
it.)

It appears to me that these estate items may have been copied from the
estate packet, rather than from a bound volume in which the clerk records
items, but I am not sure just from the appearance of these copies. Do any
of you who have seen these copies know for sure which these are from? My
thinking here is that if these are not from the bound volume of Warren Co,
NC records, then we could look at any available microfilm of their bound
volumes of estate records. Hopefully the clerk recorded in the Probate
Court's Minutes or in a volume having to do with Probate matters, the
locations of all the heirs at that point.

Has anyone on the List looked at these probate records in Warren County?
If so, perhaps you can tell us what is available for that county on folks
who died without wills, as David apparently did?

Questions re one of the marriage records: I cannot read the year of the
marriage of Lucy Poythress & James Twisdale. The License is 19 Nov 187_?
and the Certificate at the bottom of the sheet shows the __? of Dec 187_?
If any of you who have seen this have better ability to read these
squiggles, please let me know the year.

Also, questions re Lucy Twisdale's Death Certificate: It looks like
cause of death might say "heart [something] valve" on the top line and
"Dropsy" on the second line. Can anyone read the cause of death any better
than I can? And if any of you can clarify: - the doctor who certified to
her death may have been named H. B. Furgerson or Furquson ? - the burial
was to be at Halifax Co, NC on Aug. 10?, 1922? - and the Undertaker's
name, possibly H. A. Rowe? - the Undertaker's address is where in NC --
perhaps "Wilson" or can you more clearly read that?

All for now. Look forward to hearing from folks re these items.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		01/25/1998 3:24:18
Re: Francis PoythressHazel....I found my copy of that Batte Chart (part A) a number of years ago in
the Virginia Historical Society's Batte Papers. I had the same pain as you
when I noticed "part B" was missing.

I checked with the person at Va. Hist. Soc. (its so long ago I can't recall
the name)
who is the resident expert in these things and he/she said there never was a
"B", Mr. Batte just never got around to it.

In a later conversation with Mrs. Batte on the telephone she said the same
thing....I was talking to her (this would have been summer of 96) because Mr.
Batte was gravely ill. She said that while she had not been a full time and
active participant in Mr. Batte's research she knew enough about it to be 100%
sure of what she was telling me with respect to his "charts".

Following Mr. Batte's death (I want to say Fall of 96), Mrs. Batte and her
daughter had hinted that Mr. Batte's death left them in some financial
difficulty and told me they were trying to sell his "papers"....which
consisted of the 30-40M index cards on colonial Virginians plus "other
papers".

I don't know if the LVA paid the Batte's for Mr. Batte's papers/index cards or
not but I do know they are posted on line (the cards anyway). I would put
long odds on the possibility that a chart "B" did indeed exist but didn't come
to light when the LVA got the rest of the papers.

I guess I have just surmised this trail has gone cold on us because I am
willing to take Mrs. Batte's word for it. But I would eat crow and dance with
joy if it happened to turn up somewhere.

Maynard		01/25/1998 5:11:49
Francis Jr.MurphyI have a family sheet here from Elayne Gibbons (via Yates) listing
children of Francis Poythress Jr. They are John md Mary Batte, Francis
md Hannah, Rebecca md Richard Pace, Ann md Burrell Green and Thomas md
Elizabeth Cocke. (I think this takes me back to yesterday's question as
to whether there were two John Poythresses who md two Mary Battes; one,
son of Francis and the other son of John and Christian Peebles.)
Comment? Hazel

01/25/1998 10:13:07
Francis Poythress deedMurphyI am devoting my day to Poythress. Hope I don't wear out my welcome. I
have a page in my file that I am wishing someone can identify. If not, I
will go back to library and search. I apparently forgot to write down
the source. If anyone else has this in their files, would appreciate
knowing the source.

Page 95 of (???). Starts "The following items are from the fragmentay
Prince George County records: the first item is about Richard Nance
(another of my lines, HMW). The next item is a deed, dated 11 Dec 1721,
by Burrell Green and his wife Anne, and Francis Poythress all of Surry,
of the first part to Robert Hunnicutt of Prince George County.... Is
that enough? Would like to find it as it continues on page 96 which I do
not have. If anyone knows this source, please tell me. Thank you. Hazel		01/25/1998 10:22:07
Joshua Poythress - deathMurphyMaybe this is my last for an hour or two. The Batte chart shows Joshua
who md Eliz. Robertson as dying in 1794. I have two entries here, one of
which seems to say he died by 1787.

"18th Century Virginia Newspapers" by Headly. Joshua Poythress dec'd,
e.a.w. his admx., Elizabeth Poythress and admr., Archibald Robertson
(VGPI 20 Sep 87); his surviving admr and gdn. of Susanna Poythress,
Archibald Robertson, will sell his HH & KF and other items of his est.
at Flower de Hundred his late residence (VGPI l Nov 87); Robertson will
sell 35 of his Negroes at Flower de Hundred (VGPI 29 Nov 96)

"Prince George County VA Miscellany, 1711-1814", abstracted by Benjamin
B Weisiger III. p 37. Feb 1802 Archibald Robertsn, adm of Joshua
Poythress vs Robert Goode, Executor of Anne Morrison, John Baird,
Nathaniel Wyche, admiral Duncan Executor of Robert Boyd, William Cole
Sheriff of Pr Geo Co.

So, did Joshua die 1794 or 1787? Hazel		01/25/1998 11:58:37
James Speed & Martha Grice Poythresswayne scruggsTo all,
My brother just called me from Meridian.He had no luck again looking for
the lady at magnolia cemetery. I suggested he go by Webb funeral home,
as most every one used them years ago. We needed exact dates for d.o.d &
d.o.b for James Speed and Martha Poythress for the markers. They gave
him a copy of what they had, James Speed was born Sept. 24,1829, died
March 17,1923. ( I only had 1923) Martha was born Jan. 31,1840 and died
Aug.19,1917. Both services were held at Hawkins Memorial methodist
church. Both were buried at RoseHill cemetery. I want to thank every one
for the donations for the marker. Everyone wanted to try and get one for
both of them. I was quoted a price of $175.00 plus tax for his and to
get a little larger one and have her name on it too, was $399.00 plus
tax. We did not collect that much money. We have more than enough for
his marker.I have a call in to Mr. Ward at the Marker place in Meridian.
We would be better off to buy 2 markers at $175.00 plus tax for each one
of them. That would be $350.00 plus tax. We have $305.00. I still am
expecting a donation from Earl Poythress. Hopefully it will be enough.
We are not sure Martha is buried next to James. Carl is at the cemetery
now trying to find out. Her name was not on the list we got from the
cemetery when he was there before and Webbs did not have a lot # on
their paper work.Will let you know what he finds out.
Thanks again,
Judy Speed Scruggs		01/26/1998 2:57:45
Graves RegistrySee below. Has anybody already done this drill for our crowd? I didn't even
know the LDS folks had worked on this one?

Maynard

>

01/26/1998 4:07:50
[GEORGIA-L] GRAVE REGISTRY FORMS NOW ON MICROFILMAdrian HopkinsGRAVE REGISTRY FORMS NOW ON MICROFILM
Grave Registry Forms are now on microfilm. These were filmed by a crew from
the LDS Church in July of 1996. They may be viewed at the FHL in SLC or
ordered thru Family History Centers. The film numbers are:
1. 2032073 Abbey thru Butler
2. 2032074 Butler thru Dunn
3. 2032075 Dunn thru Harrison
4. 2032076 Harrison thru Lynn
5. 2032077 Laurens thru Maccoun
6. 2032132 McPherson thru Ross
7. 2032133 Ross thru Towne
8. 2032134 Taber thru Zumwalt
Some variations in alphabetical sequences do occur. There may be several
unmerged alphabetical sequences in films befinning with and L and also the
Ts. So, if one is seeking an ancestor named �Lovelace�, both rolls 4 and 5
should ordered to scrutinize all forms with the surnames beginning with L.
If one were looking for a surname beginning with T, you should probably also
want to look at both films 7 and 8.
Grave Registry Forms received since mid-1993 have not yet been microfilmed.
abstracted from the SAR spring 1997 bulletin.		01/26/1998 8:12:09
James Speed & Martha Grice PoythressCharles NealJudy,

Good to get your progress report. Glad folks responded to that amount so
far.

Could I please get a photocopy of the Webb Funeral Home records for both of
them from you?

Yeah, the lady at the cemetery office seems to just basically be there for
appointments, and whenever there is due to be a funeral to be handled, but
she DOES respond promptly to messages left on the cemetery's answering
machine -- I can vouch for that.

Thanks again for the update.
Barbara Poythress Neal

01/26/1998 9:07:00
Graves RegistryCharles NealMaynard,

I had not heard about this before. Are they graves of Revolutionary
patriots only (I noticed the SAR in the verbage)? From all over or just
from a few specific places ?

BPN

01/26/1998 9:07:03
My ancestral linesW. David SamuelsenAll are invited to visit my site showing my ancestors up to 32
generations.

http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/ancestors

W. David Samuelsen		01/27/1998 1:44:11
Re: Grand Lodge MasonVKRatliffBarbara....James P. is so "all over the place" in Screven that I had thought
at one time about running a time line on the guy. I'll get to it soon as I
can. It sure looks like we may have stumbled into a connection. I will
guess (pure guess from memory) that James P. is all over those Screven records
1820-25 or so.....and right now I just don't remember any later dates but a
time line will turn that up.

Alice, I remember a phone conversation with your mother when I asked who was
James P. and I remember her saying very confidently: "of course, he was the
______"....what I don't remember is what she said...I guess I went brain dead
at the moment because I do remember we had been chatting a while and and I was
trying to keep about 3 new things in my head at once.

The interesting part about a conversation with your mother (on-line hopefully
in the future...are you slacking on us?) is that she has spent many, many
years doing research in the our same spots. Instead of our "tracks"
overlaying each other they seem to either run parallel or cross over each
other and that really opens up some fresh perspectives for us. If you're going
home this week-end or are talking to her ask her again about James P.
Poythress for us would you? I'm sure she's got it right on top of her head
because of the way she answered me before.

Nite to all you folks way out there....its midnight here.

Maynard		01/27/1998 4:56:45
Joseph & Mary Poythress Troup Co, GACharles NealMaynard,

On October 21, 1997, you sent us all a message mentioning your morning's
work at GDAH when taking a last chance for grandbaby-kissing prior to the
kids' move to Houston. In that message you said that you had looked up the
wills of both Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup Co, GA, and found that they
had sons named Francis and Hardemond. Did you make any copies of their
wills or associated materials? Or did you perhaps transcribe their wills?

If either, I'd like to study them better, because that Francis A Poythress
Bible is (from other material in the manuscript collection with it)
apparently the Bible of their son Francis.

Can you dredge up whatever you have on Joseph & Mary, please?

Thanks
BPN		01/27/1998 7:07:11
Re: Graves RegistryCraig R. ScottAt 11:07 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Maynard,
>
>I had not heard about this before. Are they graves of Revolutionary
>patriots only (I noticed the SAR in the verbage)? From all over or just
>from a few specific places ?
>
This CD includes the cemetery locations of over 69,000 war graves of
soldiers and patriots and in many cases their spouses. The data is compiled
from the Revolutionary War Graves Register Book originally published by the
SAR in 1993. My guess is that it is from all over. It costs $29.95 + $4.00 s&h.

In the spring a SAR Patriot Index based on the applications will be
available on CD also. I have played with the beta version and like what I see.

Craig

>

-----
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		01/27/1998 9:04:12
Warren Co., NC Poythress recordsCharles Neal1-27-98

Jim, thank you so much for your expanded information, and for your
willingness to search for further information on your next trip to the NC
Archives Library.

Re:
> I located the estate sale papers of D. Poythress at the NC Archives
Library while searching
> for wills of . . . Poythress Families of Warren Co., NC. I sent you
copies of all papers I found
> in the Poythress file.

These papers that you found sound like they were the loose records in the
County Records series filed as Estates Records or Estate Papers, in NC,
those being in folders arranged in alphabetical order of the deceased
persons.

> As you have suggested, this matter was probated by the court and my best
guess is there
> is information of interest available in the court records.

Yes, I would concur that there could indeed be further info of interest
available in the court's other records.
There would have definitely been additional info, it is just a matter of
whether other info is extant.
-- Since we have here the "Inventory & acct. sale of Estate of D.
Poythress, By C. D. Poythress, Admr" marked as having been "Recorded on
page 222. No. 258" it would be logical to check for the volume in which
Inventories were recorded for that 1877 time period. Such a volume could
also contain other material that would be of interest.
-- There should be the Administrator's Bond (NC has large numbers of the
original administrators' bonds surviving from the late 17th century to the
present, I understand). Those bonds include the place of issuance, date,
name of administrator, name of decedent, and name of surety. Since the
normal monetary obligation of an administrator's bond was twice the
estimated value of the estate, and since we have on the Application for
Letter of Administration the estimate of the estate being "about $300" then
there should have been a bond posted for $600, and likely some relative
could have served as surety. It would be wonderful if it was someone whose
very name would help us out.
-- There might be a Final Account or Settlement of the estate, which would
have been submitted to and approved by the court or by someone or some
commission appointed by the court to approve such Settlement. That would
show the distribution of the estate among the heirs. I understand that in
actuality a distribution or division of the estate was not always made, and
the heirs often just continued to jointly own the whole of the estate.
However, there might be some indication of a Settlement, and/or some
indication of the transfer of shares of the estate among them. I have
found in Alabama records that by checking Deed Book indexes for the names
of ALL of the children (especially all the married names of the daughters)
I have found -- sometimes 70 or more years later -- some of the estate
being sold off, with each sibling & spouse having to be listed in the sale
document, which frequently gets indexed only by one of their names, and "et
al."
-- There could also have been filed with the clerk of the court, signed
receipts or discharges indicating that heirs had received their shares.
-- There could be an annual accounting, listing how much was paid out for
the upkeep of Mrs. D. Poythress, and various other items that one of the
Archivists could logically point you toward the right records to search
for, depending on which (if any) of the above items are found.

> I do not have the names of Martha J. Tuckers"s children but believe they
could be determined
> if there is an interest. Since Martha died at an early age, the children
may be listed in court
> records or in NC census living with Mr. Tucker.

True, however I would caution that since her childrens' names were not
known to Charles David Poythress when he was filing the Application for
Letters of Administration to administer his father's estate, they probably
lived in some other county, perhaps far away. Our best hope for finding
them would be in some of the above-mentioned possibilities.

> As for George W. Poythress, my guess is he was George Washington
Poythress and did
> not have a brother named Lewis.

Yes, it is proper in an Application for Letters of Administration, such as
this one that Charles David Poythress submitted, that all of those listed
as being entitled as heirs would be only David Poythress' children (or, as
in the case of Martha, who was deceased, then her children who would divide
her share of the estate). My wistful pondering was that George Washington
Poythress could have been named for one of his father's brothers -- and if
David is a brother of George whose will we have seen, then he is also a
brother of Lewis (who is named in George's will as being his brother living
in Virginia).

By the way, the fact that we know that George Washington Poythress (GWP)
was an older child of David's than was Charles David Poythress who was
filing to be the Administrator of the estate, indicates that GWP was living
in some other county -- how far away we have no way of knowing. Same thing
holds true for brother James S. Poythress, the eldest brother. Customarily
chosen as Administrator was the eldest son who lived in the county where
the estate needed to be probated.

>I am not familiar with the will you referenced, but would like to read it.
How do I find it?

If you go to the Poythress website, maintained for all of us researchers by
Al Tims (who is also a descendant of David Poythress, thru James Speed
Poythress), it is one of the wills under the "Wills" button. The website
address, in case anyone is not familiar with it, is: www1.minn.net/~atims/
(That 4th character in the address is the number "one," not a lowercase
letter "L")

> The note about the moving of Mrs. D. Poythress is not clear enough on my
copy to
> make a guess.

Barbara Poythress Wolfe (another descendant thru Charles David Poythress)
clarified that one for me, reading the place Mrs. D. Poythress was moved
to, as the nearby small town of Manson, NC, which is just up the road from
Henderson, NC, and not much south of Mecklenburg County, VA, by the way
folks.

> Lucy Poythress and James H. Twisdale Jr.'s Marriage Certificate was dated
19 Nov. 1870
> and the marriage was 25 Dec. 1870.

Thanks so much for the clarification.

> Lucy Poythress Twisdale was born Sept. 29, 1851 in Warren Co., NC. Lucy
died in Halifax
> Co., NC on Aug. 9, 1922 and is buried in Halifax Co. NC. I do not know
the exact location of
> her grave but one of my Twisdale connections has offered to take me to
the location.

I would appreciate learning the directions from you, on how to find Lucy's
grave, whenever you get that information thru your Twisdale connections.

> If you will develop your questions on the foregoing, I will research them
on my next trip to
> the NC Archives Library which should be within the next six months.

Thanks. Hope the above helps.
Barbara Poythress Neal		01/27/1998 9:18:03
Grand Lodge MasonCharles NealMaynard,

I'd be curious to know FOR SURE whether this James was a Screven County
guy, BECAUSE he is no doubt the one who moved from an unknown place in GA
to FLA, and was listed in David Avant Jr.'s __Illustrated Index to J.
Randall Stanley's History of Gadsden County [Florida] 1948__ (publ in
Tallahassee by Avant 1985). The Washington Lodge #2, according to Avant's
book, in Quincy, Gadsden Co., FL, was organized in 1828 "under a special
dispensation granted by the Grand Lodge of the State of GA." It was begun
by 14 Masons, including James P. Poythress, who all had apparently come
down from GA to FL. They held their first meeting on Jan 24, 1828.

Last May, when C & I were in Gadsden Co, and adjacent Jackson Co, where
George Poythress settled when he moved down from GA, I talked with a Mason
in Quincy who had searched for me in their records to see if there was any
indication of where James P. Poythress had come down there from.

Hope some good Mason out there can indeed find out ANY further info for us
about this James P. Poythress.

BPN		01/27/1998 9:18:15
Grand Lodge MasonVKRatliffI have a pencilled notation on a page full of Poythresses by some researcher
unknown that says:

James P. Poythress, 1825, Grand Lodge Mason

This James P. is a Screven County, Ga. guy who would have been a contemporary
of Meredith Sr. & Jr. His name is all over the place in records but we
haven't been able to "link" him.

Any of you guys out there Masons and if so, can you e-mail hdqrs. to look him
up?
Maybe see who his "sponsor" was....or anything that might help us pin him
down.

Thanks,

Maynard		01/27/1998 10:32:04
Brunswick DB # 15VKRatliffLyn.....wouldn't that Thomas P. buying land in Brunswick County in 1791 throw
up something of a red flag for the "one Thomas" theory (i. e. one Thomas,
father of Meredith, Sr., moves to Georgia (call it 1787 or thereabouts),
becomes sheriff, dies in 1801.

What would the guy be doing buying land in Virginia in 1791 if he was in
process of moving to Georgia (or maybe even already gone) ?

Since I'm the "inventor" of the one Thomas line I'm not particularly
questioning you,
just wondering how that one struck you.....or anybody else on the wire for
that matter?

Maynard		01/27/1998 10:54:05
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> For Microsoft Word ( I have 7.0 but I expect most will work)......to make this
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> Sure makes it look better when transcribing all those wills and deeds.
>
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Charles Neal wrote:

> Lyn,
>
> Fantastic job of putting together all this info with all the sources. I
> don't have time right now in trying to get ready to depart on a 2-wk trip
> this Saturday morning, to check to see for sure if there is any other info
> I have, but I have a lingering feeling that we may have some additional
> info about Lewis (1) among the land transactions BPW had put together
> several years ago, and maybe (2) among the Mecklenburg tax lists. Do
> promise to check later.
>
> Again -- fantastic job. Thank you so much for putting this together.
> BPN
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Re: Batte Chart for Francis et alJust a gentle reminder that we have this Francis and 13 of his
descendants in Mr. Batte's "virtual chart" of coded cards. For reference
see the "D" codes at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/BatteA.html. This web
page is somewhat mis-titled "Chart A". It's actually the superset of
Chart A covered by Mr. Batte's card file.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:21:08 EST VKRatliff writes:
>Hazel dear......I am pleased to inform you of your next assignment :).
>
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Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?Since Rebecca Coggin has been brought up recently in the discussion, I
thought I would repost the question below. Basically, I'm interested to
know if anyone else has ever seen anything else outside of the Batte
archives on this Rebecca being ne Tye. Thanks for any thoughts.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: llbaird
To: atims@minn.net
Cc: Poythress List
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress and Robert Wynne
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:08:39 -0600
Message-ID: <19971204.160942.6606.10.llbaird@juno.com>
References: <199712020600.AAA10315@mail.minn.net>

Al, you wrote, " Francis is believed to have married Rebecca Coggin
(Coggan)." Would you, or any list members, have any comments on the
"corrections" in Mr. Batte's cards from "Coggin" to "Tye"? I am quite
ignorant in this area and have no preconceptions - just interested in
these strikeovers done either by Mr. Batte or by a later editor. See my
note in the Batte table at (P-1) D. -lpb

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Re: How Many Thomases?Yes, Maynard, this brings up a point. It's perhaps less typical for a
non-resident to be buying land (1791) than to be selling land (1795).
Refer back to my rehash of your Thomas Poythress timeline. The columns
help you see the mixing. The first Georgia citation is 26 July 1788.
The last Virginia citation is 23 January 1797. In that 11-year span we
have 11 Virginia citations and 4 Georgia citations.

Regarding the question of one Thomas or two, I believe we would agree
there were at least two Thomas Poythresses, contemporary adults,
associated "economically" in Virginia (maybe or not father and son).
This is evidenced by the 1781 civil case of Prince against Sr. and Jr.
cited in your timeline. We would also agree there were at least two
Thomas Poythresses, contemporary adults, associated "politically" in
Georgia (maybe or not father and son). This is evidenced by the 1799
Nobles petition cited in your timeline. So taken together these two
citations evidence the existence of either two, three or four Thomas
Poythresses, but not just one.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:54:05 EST VKRatliff writes:
>Lyn.....wouldn't that Thomas P. buying land in Brunswick County in
>1791 throw
>up something of a red flag for the "one Thomas" theory (i. e. one
>Thomas,
>father of Meredith, Sr., moves to Georgia (call it 1787 or
>thereabouts),
>becomes sheriff, dies in 1801.
>
>What would the guy be doing buying land in Virginia in 1791 if he was
>in
>process of moving to Georgia (or maybe even already gone) ?
>
>Since I'm the "inventor" of the one Thomas line I'm not particularly
>questioning you,
>just wondering how that one struck you.....or anybody else on the wire
>for
>that matter?
>
>Maynard
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Re: Help!Hey guys and gals.....I found an old paper copy of the Meredith Poythress, Jr.
Time Line and am now back in biz.....also have Senior in a time line.....I
thought I had put these two up but I guess I hadn't. If anyone wants them
I'll hang 'em up.

Meanwhile, special thanks to all of you who made the efforts to search your
hard
drives for something that never was there in the first place.

Maynard

01/29/1998 3:56:26
RE: Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?James L. PooleLyn's question is important to me, so I'll try to answer it with what
I know. About 1658, Dr. John Coggan/Coggin married Joyce, the
wealthy widow of Richard Tye. John Coggin had children from his
first marriage to a daughter of Gregory Bland (according to Bodie in
his "Historical Southern Families," vol IV, p. 32). Among them was a
son, John, from whom I'm descended via another family line. Joyce
and Richard Tye also had children, and John Coggin's name appears in
the Charles City Co. records in connection with his having to post
bond or security for these step-children, i.e., "[Mar 1660]
"Abstract. Mr John Cogan this day giving 'security for the state of
Capt Tyes children' is re-leased of former security." These children
were never named in any of the records that I have found.

So unless and until some long-lost moldy record is found that hasn't
yet surfaced, I'm afraid we'll never know whether Rebecca was a
daughter of John Coggin's first wife, or whether she was a step-da
ughter, and daughter of Joyce and Richard Tye. I think we can
conclude that she was probably not the daughter of John Coggin and
Joyce ___ Tye.

Sure wish I had the answer....

Lou Poole, Richardson, TX (lpoole@dallas.net)

On Thursday, January 29, 1998 3:55 PM, llbaird@juno.com
[SMTP:llbaird@juno.com] wrote:
> Since Rebecca Coggin has been brought up recently in the
discussion,
> I
> thought I would repost the question below. Basically, I'm
> interested to
> know if anyone else has ever seen anything else outside of the
> Batte
> archives on this Rebecca being ne Tye. Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
> --------- Begin forwarded message ----------
> From: llbaird
> To: atims@minn.net
> Cc: Poythress List
> Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress and Robert Wynne
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:08:39 -0600
> Message-ID: <19971204.160942.6606.10.llbaird@juno.com>
> References: <199712020600.AAA10315@mail.minn.net>
>
> Al, you wrote, " Francis is believed to have married Rebecca Coggin
> (Coggan)." Would you, or any list members, have any comments on
> the
> "corrections" in Mr. Batte's cards from "Coggin" to "Tye"? I am
> quite
> ignorant in this area and have no preconceptions - just interested
> in
> these strikeovers done either by Mr. Batte or by a later editor.
> See my
> note in the Batte table at (P-1) D. -lpb
>
>
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>		01/29/1998 6:29:01
RE: Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?James L. PooleFollow-up on Lyn's question and my reply. In Boddie's "Southern
Historical Families, Vol. IV, p. 31, where he asserted that Rebecca
was the daughter of John Coggan, he cited as source: "Charles City
Court Minutes 1687-1695." I made a note to myself that this record
needs to be found to see if it gives us a clue as to Rebecca's
mother. Has anyone found it? If not, this record may be important
to identifying Rebecca's parents. Then, again, it may lead to
nothing.

Lou Poole, Richardson, TX (lpoole@dallas.net)

On Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:29 PM, James L. Poole
[SMTP:lpoole@dallas.net] wrote:
> Lyn's question is important to me, so I'll try to answer it with
> what I know. About 1658, Dr. John Coggan/Coggin married Joyce, the
> wealthy widow of Richard Tye. John Coggin had children from his
> first marriage to a daughter of Gregory Bland (according to Bodie
> in his "Historical Southern Families," vol IV, p. 32). Among them
> was a son, John, from whom I'm descended via another family line.
> Joyce and Richard Tye also had children, and John Coggin's name
> appears in the Charles City Co. records in connection with his
> having to post bond or security for these step-children, i.e.,
> "[Mar 1660] "Abstract. Mr John Cogan this day giving 'security
> for the state of Capt Tyes children' is re-leased of former
> security." These children were never named in any of the records
> that I have found.
>
> So unless and until some long-lost moldy record is found that
hasn't
> yet surfaced, I'm afraid we'll never know whether Rebecca was a
> daughter of John Coggin's first wife, or whether she was a step-
> daughter, and daughter of Joyce and Richard Tye. I think we can
> conclude that she was probably not the daughter of John Coggin and
> Joyce ___ Tye.
>
> Sure wish I had the answer....
>
> Lou Poole, Richardson, TX (lpoole@dallas.net)		01/29/1998 6:45:11
John Poythress/Mary BatteMurphyMay I repeat an earlier question? Chart A has John, son of John and
Christian Peebles married to Mary Batte. A family chart from Elayne
Gibbons shows John, son of Francis and Rebecca (Coggin) Poythress
married to Mary Batte. Is there a conflict here? Or, a coincidence?

Beautifully warm and sunny weather headed your way, Maynard. (Weather
report from Missouri) Hazel

01/29/1998 8:03:14
Re: How Many Thomases?Charles Neal1-29-98

Lyn, glad you are back to writing us such cogent & gentle reminders (as
this one and the other reminder about Francis) which keeps your great chart
before us, where it should be, rather than filed away! Keep up the good
work. : - )

BPN		01/29/1998 8:31:29
RE: Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?Charles Neal1-29-98

Lou,

In Benjamin B. Weisiger III's volume (available from our Poythress-cousin &
List-member Craig Scott's Willow Bend Books) __Charles City County, VA
Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of a Court Order Book for the Year
1680__ (1992, Iberian re-typeset this 1980 original volume):

there is a LONG entry (on pp. 509-510 of the Charles City County Court
Order Book for 1687-1695, which presumably the Library of VA has on
microfilm, available on interlibrary loan) re case of Wm Randolph as Atty
General bringing case against Charles Bartholmew for an alleged unlawful
marriage, which I think our list has covered. Try checking our List
archives at:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

It indeed goes into Rebecca being known as sister of Frances, and both
being daughters of John Coggan's wife, and how one witness says they are
daughters of one mother but different fathers. I'll be darned if I can
tell just from the entry itself who the other father was, or which daughter
is from which father, but hopefully from the context of the actual
material, you might could tell better, and/or it may have been covered
earlier in one or more of the archived messages of our List that I recall
seeing sometime back re Charles Bartholomew's alleged unlawful marriage.
Also, perhaps Craig Scott can say whether the Weisiger volume is abstracts
or full transcriptions, a point of which I am not sure.

By the way, folks, during the 1687-1695 period, Maj. Francis Poythress was
one of the Justices of the Peace there in Charles City County, a point
mentioned in Weisiger's introduction.

All for now,
BPN		01/29/1998 8:31:42
RE: Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?James L. PooleAh, Barb, now that you remind me, I remember that discussion well. I
had not, however, before now connected that citation by Boddie to the
discussion of the alleged illicit marriage. (If I had been alert, I
should have guessed from the dates in the citation.) But if that,
indeed, was Boddie's citation, then I think we're stuck. I believe
the conclusion that one would draw from that lawsuit was that Rebecca
was probably John Coggin's daughter, but we can't be really sure. At
least I'm out of ideas for how to resolve the issue. (You'd think
that as often as Dr. John was in court, he'd at least have had the
courtesy of naming his children in one of his lawsuits !)

Lou

On Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:32 PM, Charles Neal
[SMTP:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com] wrote:
> 1-29-98
>
> Lou,
>
> In Benjamin B. Weisiger III's volume (available from our Poythress-
> cousin &
> List-member Craig Scott's Willow Bend Books) __Charles City County,
> VA
> Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of a Court Order Book for
the
> Year
> 1680__ (1992, Iberian re-typeset this 1980 original volume):
>
> there is a LONG entry (on pp. 509-510 of the Charles City County
> Court
> Order Book for 1687-1695, which presumably the Library of VA has on
> microfilm, available on interlibrary loan) re case of Wm Randolph
as
> Atty
> General bringing case against Charles Bartholmew for an alleged
> unlawful
> marriage, which I think our list has covered. Try checking our
> List
> archives at:
> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
>
> It indeed goes into Rebecca being known as sister of Frances, and
> both
> being daughters of John Coggan's wife, and how one witness says
> they are
> daughters of one mother but different fathers. I'll be darned if I
> can
> tell just from the entry itself who the other father was, or which
> daughter
> is from which father, but hopefully from the context of the actual
> material, you might could tell better, and/or it may have been
> covered
> earlier in one or more of the archived messages of our List that I
> recall
> seeing sometime back re Charles Bartholomew's alleged unlawful
> marriage.
> Also, perhaps Craig Scott can say whether the Weisiger volume is
> abstracts
> or full transcriptions, a point of which I am not sure.
>
> By the way, folks, during the 1687-1695 period, Maj. Francis
> Poythress was
> one of the Justices of the Peace there in Charles City County, a
> point
> mentioned in Weisiger's introduction.
>
> All for now,
> BPN
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>		01/29/1998 9:47:51
James P. PoythressHey, Bud, I just remembered who our heavy-duty Mason is. It be's you.

BPN and I SUSPECT that James P. was "Grand Lodge Mason" (the notation put by
his name) in Screven County in 1925, moved to Fla. for some reason and was a
founder of the Masonic Lodge in Gadsden County (Quincy) Fla. BPN's date for
establishing the Florida lodge is 1828.

Quincy is about 25 miles almost due south of Bainbridge which is a long way
from Jacksonville where George moved so I'd be reluctant to make that
particular connection casually.

Still, doesn't the order have a Grand Poobah who keeps all the Masonic records
back to year one and would perhaps have some information on this fellow?

Thanks,

Maynard		01/30/1998 3:11:20
MEAPO again?Note to Martha Dixon pasted below as info.

>
January 30, 1998

Martha....(I�m sending you actual copies of the stuff but typing out the text
for other folks on the board)

What do you make of the enclosed?

From: Roster of Revolutionary Soldiers in Georgia, Vol. III, compiled by Mrs.
H. H. McCall, heavy-hitter with the DAR from the string of credentials that
follows....

JOHN DIXON, b. 1758 in N. C.; d. 1835 in Ga. Served as private, 1st Batt. of
N. C., under Capt. McRee and Col. Clark. Married 1796, Elizabeth Poythress
(1771-1842)

That almost has to be our Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon, doesn�t it?
And how do you rate the information? If it is MEAP doesn�t that birth date
look a little early to you?

In other words, what part of this do you think is wrong and what part right so
we can maybe do something with it one of these days?

We�re still waiting for that day when you come swooping down on us out of
cyberspace....and join the party.

Best,

Maynard		01/30/1998 3:11:24
James P. PoythressCharles Neal1-30-98

Maynard, Bud, & all,

Re Maynard's statement "Quincy [FL] is about 25 miles almost due south of
Bainbridge which is a long way from Jacksonville where George moved so I'd
be reluctant to make that particular connection casually."

Actually George didn't move to Jacksonville, unless someone else has
evidence of that. Where I have evidence of George living was Jackson
County, FL, which is just across the river, immediately west of Gadsden
County (where Quincy is). Thus Jackson County is further away from
Jacksonville than Quincy is.

George got his land in Jackson County in 1827. (For lots of specifics, see
our archived messages at http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Bud, any help you can obtain from the Grand Lodge in either FL
(Jacksonville, no doubt) or GA (Atlanta, no doubt) would be greatly
appreciated. We really need to learn more about this James P. Poythress.

Thanks!
Barbara		01/30/1998 8:58:10
Re: James P. PoythressSorry about that, Patti.....its 1800 on all dates.

Maynard		01/31/1998 4:53:52
Re: James P. PoythressHey, okay, Bud....BPN is right as usual....but anyway, see if the guy came
from Screven County....if your Masonic buddies can help.

Thanks...

Maynard

01/31/1998 4:58:24
MDLea L. DowdWhile reading some Maryland wills, I came across this which may be of
interest.... It was to me. Does anyone have anything more on this?

William Marshall, Chas. Co., MD 22 Apr 1673/ Dec 1673
Son William, son Joshua and daughter Eliza. Marshall.......
Exrs: Thos. Notely, Robert Henley, and brother Francis WYNE.
Test: Zach. Wade, Edward Price, Jonathan Marler

Thanks,
Lea		01/31/1998 8:40:26
Re: MDLea, that one strikes me as something of a curiosity. I don't have a ton of
Wynne stuff but I do keep the Wynne chapter handy from John Boddie's "Virginia
Historical
Genealogies". I don't see anyone moving to Maryland but Boddie could easily
decided not to report that....or not even had it to report. I suppose more
importantly, I can't find a single Francis. I also see no Marshalls in the
crowd as
adopting or being adopted or a stepson or whatever could have set it up so
that
Marshall and Wyne could be "brothers" with different surnames.

You suppose thats a whole different family?

Maynard

02/01/1998 3:49:54
North Carolinawayne scruggsI will be going to Greensboro,N.C. tomorrow for a couple of days. Is
there anything I can do or look up for any one?
Thanks,
Judy- Feb.1,1998- 8:30 p.m.		02/01/1998 6:30:28
Meredith Poythress, Sr. Event LineSeveral of you have asked for the event lines of Meredith, Sr. & Jr. The line
for Meredith, Sr. is below, Meredith, Jr. will be in following message. This
is not
"advertised" as complete and supplements and/or corrections will certainly be
welcomed.

Maynard
>
Meredith Poythress, Sr.
Time Line
(Date in Bold type= item needs documentation

1760 Assumed birth date of Meredith based on 1) Martha Dixon est. and
marriage date of 1781.

14 Jul 1781 Meredith Poythress, Sr. marries Edith Cleaton in Mecklenburg Co.,
Va. Marriage License Bonds of Mecklenburg Co., Va. , p. 41, by
Stratton Nottingham. Edith Cleaton was daughter of William Cleaton
whose will was probated Mecklenburg County, 1796

1782 Va. Personal Property Tax Records, Thomas Poythress, with
Meredith
Poythress, 6 slaves, 6 horses, & 18 cattle..Brunswick Co. Tax List.

22 Sep 1783 John Morris of County of Brunswick, Virginia conveys unto Meredith
Poythress of same county for a consideration of 40 Ls, 50 acres beginning
at Oak on Eaton�s Road on James Upchurch�s line, mentions Morris line
and Zachariah Sim�s line. Signed by John (X) Morris. Brunswick County,
Order BK 2, pg. 506.

1783 Meredith Poythress shown on Brunswick personal property tax
list 1783
with 1 tithe, 1 horse, 1 cattle. Brunswick Personal Property Tax List.

24 Jan 1784 Meredith Poythress and Edith his wife convey land to James Phipps
and
said deed recorded. Brunswick County, Va. Order BK 14, pg. 58. (A deed
was found which shows James Phipps selling this identical property to
George Johnson on 6 Oct 1787. Brunswick County DB 14, pg. 135)

1 Mch 1786 Meredith Poythress to William Cleaton both of Mecklenburg County,
Va.
--personal property and the tax on 375 acres of land for two years is
mentioned. Mecklenburg Co., DB 7, pg. 52. (comment of Anne Taylor
Brown, Bud�s researcher: �This tends to indicate that Meredith Poythress
was leasing land from William Cleaton�) [ note: I have a photocopy of this
bill of sale, it is obviously the sale to William Cleaton of all of the
household goods of Meredith....prior to moving to Ga. ? Likely. After the
death of Edith Cleaton ? Unknown.]

1786 Meredith Poythress shown on Personal Property Tax Records of
Mecklenburg Co. listing 1 horse and 1 cattle. Bruns. Co. Pers. Prop. List

1787 Meredith Poythress shown on Mecklenburg personal property tax
list of
1787 (List A) charged with tax only on �self� --no dependants, no tithes,
no slaves.

14 Feb 1789 William Cleaton of Mecklenburg County, Va. conveys unto George
Nicholson of Warren Co., NC to whom he is indebted - 150 acres on
waters of Parham Creek adj. Wm. Taylor, Isham Epps, and Crowley�s line
it being part of tract where Meredith Poythress lives. Witnesses: Marriott
Davis, Thomas Goodwyn Taylor, and Coleman (X) Yound. Mecklenburg
DB 7, pg. 482.[MP comment: note appearance of that Isham Epps name
which is a very possible PG county link]

1790 Meredith Poythress, Jr. born Va. (deduced from 1850 Screven,
Ga.
census)

Nov 1790 Meredith Poythress - Insolvent - 1 horse......list of insolvents &
non-
residents for the revenue of taxes due for 1789 returned by John
Wilson, Jr. D.Sheriff, Mecklenburg County to Nov. Court 1790.

14 Dec 1793 Screven County created, taking lower part of Burke Co.

26 Dec 1793 Meredith Poythress second for Lewis Poythress in marriage to
Patsey
Giles. Marriage License Bonds for Mecklenburg County, Va. , pg. 14,
Stratton Nottingham.

1794 Meredith Poythress listed a slave Charles on the 1794
personal property
tax list in Mecklenburg County, Va.

11 Apr 1796 Meredith�s wife Edith Poythress mentioned in will of her father,
William
Cleaton. Mecklenburg Co., Va. WB 3, pg. 339.

24 Dec 1797 Meredith Poythress of Screven County, Ga. deeded 100 acres of land
to
George Poythress of Burke County. George Poythress then Sheriff of
Burke Co., Ga. Served 17 Nov 1797-21 Oct 1799 when succeeded by his
father Thomas Poythress who serves as sheriff until his (Thomas� death in
1800). Screven DB ________________________________________

28 May 1798 Meredith Poythress witnessed will of Fredrick Collins of
Mecklenburg
County, Va. WB 4, p. 38.

1800 Tax List Lower Mecklenburg County shows Lewis Poythress,
Meredith
Poythress; Meredith2 with son Peter (2 meaning Peter between ages of
16 and 21.) (Vol 2, p.191, Lower District Commissioner John Holms).

28 Oct 1802 Thomas Colding and Nancy Colding, his wife, of Screven, for $ 300,
sold
Meredith Poythress of Burke County [?], 106 acres bounded on SE and
SW by vacant land, on S by James Beville, on NW and NE by Henry Joyce,
and NW by Briar Creek Swamp. Wit: William Blain(?), Archa Lasiter
Proven 28 Mch 1803; Reg. 1 Mch 1803. Screven County DB 1794-1805,
Bk A, pgs. 340-341.

10 Dec 1803 Meredith Poythress of Screven County, Ga. sold to George Poythress
of Burke Co., Ga. 106 acres of land in Briar Creek Swamp. Screven Co.
Deeds 1801-1810 Bk A (old) or Bk 2-P (new) pgs. 112-113. (Note:this
is identical property to above).

1804 Land Grants recorded by Clerk of Superior Court, Screven County,
Book
I...Porthress, Meredith. Other info_______________________________

21 Jan 1804 �Will be sold, on the first Tues. in Mar. next, at the Courthouse
in Screven
County, 405 acres on the south side of Briar Creek, adjoining lands of
Caleb Howell....Meredith Poythress, taken as the property of William
Miller to satisfy a debt due Saul Simons. �Columbian Museum & Savannah
Advertiser, issue of 21 Jan 1804, pg. 3, col. 5.

1805 Meredith, Sr. unsuccessful candidate in Ga. Land Lottery of
1805.
Registered same time as William Poythress (consecutive reg. numbers).

1806 Meredith granted 56 acres in Screven Co., Book F-5, pg. 572 [ a
Poythress
in legislature- likely George]

1 Jan 1808 Meredith Poythesf...letter waiting at Savannah Post Office 1
Jan 1808.
Columbia Museum & Savannah Advertiser 1/1/1808, p. 2, col. 5.

7 Jul 1809 Meredith Poythress, Sr. (?) accepts payment from Peter
Poythress(son)
for land in Mecklenburg County, Va. sold to Thomas Cleaton.
Book A-2, p. 182, Screven County.

1811 Meredith granted 687 acres in Screven County, Bk H-5, page 48.
The
introduction to book states that the Revolutionary War Services of a
grantee are not stated. [what does this mean?]

7 Feb 1818 At an Inferior Court began and held at Jacksonborough in and for
the
County of Scriven for Ordinary Purposes present their Honors Reuben
Wilkinson, Roger McKinney & Thomas Brannen Esqrs. 7th Feb 1818.
Ordered that Meredith Poythress, administrator in right of his wife on
the estate of Benjamin Mock late of Screven County dced. be granted
Letters dismissory on sd. Estate. It appearing to the Court that a citation
has been duely published. (photo copy but no reference cited)

14 Mch 1818 Meredith buys back land from George, 106 acres in Briar Creek
swamp.
[see 10 Dec 1803 entry above].Screven County Records, 1817-1824,
Record Book K (old), 4-P New, pg. 76.[ Question: why did Meredith
want to buy it back or why did George want to sell it back? Bud
Poythress has a very logical speculation: George was lightening up on
his Georgia holdings preparatory to moving to Florida.

1821 Meredith, Sr. successful candidate Ga. Land Lottery of 1821.
Wins section
13, land lot 16 in Houston County. (Standard lot was 202 1/2 acres).

30 Jul 1821 Meredith Poythress [do not have text]. (Augusta Chronicle
08/02/1821,
2, 6)

30 Aug 1821 Sheriff�s sale...courthouse at Jacksonborough, Screven County,
150 acres
of pine land more or less lying in the county of Screven levied on the
property Meredith Poythress, Sr. to satisfy sundry executions in favor of
J. S. Brown, against said Poythress and Solomon Kemp, the same adjoining
land of M. Williamson and others levied and returned to me by a constable.
(Augusta Chronicle 08/31/1821, 3, 3)

2 May 1822 Sheriff�s sale...courthouse in Jacksonborough, Screven County...106
acres
of land levied on as the property of Meredith Poythress, Senior to satisfy
sundry executions issued out of justices�s court in favor of H. M.
Williamson versus Cleton Poythress and Meredith Poythress, Senior, said
land adjoins land of Henry Joyce and others. Levied and returned by
constable James Poythress. Signed James Brown, SSC. (Augusta
Chronicle 08/05/1822, 3, 6)

5 Aug 1822 Sheriff�s sale...courthouse in Jacksonborough, Screven County....50
acres
of land in said county adjoining lands of Richard Williamson and Zachias
Long taken as the property of Meredith Poythress, Sr. to satisfy two small
executions in favor of R. M. Williamson, Sr. versus Meredith Poythress
and Cleton Poythress, levied and returned by a constable. (Augusta
Chronicle 08/05/1822, 3, 6)

2 June 1824 Sheriff�s sale...courthouse in Jacksonborough, Screven
County...687 acres
of land (more or less) lying in the county of Screven adjoining Little
Ogeechee [River] , lands of James Ponder and others, levied on as the
property of Meredith Poythress, Senior to satisfy sundry executions in
favor of Augustus B. Jones versus said Poythress and Virgin Flake, levied
and returned by J. B. Anderson, constable. (Augusta Chronicle 06/02/1824
3, 3)

6 Nov 1824 Sheriff�s sale, Meredith Poythress, Sr. [don�t have text] (Augusta
Chronicle 11/06/1824, 3, 3)

2 Apr 1825 Sheriff�s sale..courthouse in Jacksonborough, Screven County...one
third
of a Negro man slave named Corey levied on as the property of Meredith
Poythress to satisfy sundry executions in favor of John Adams vs. said
Poythress and others. (Augusta Chronicle 04/02/1825, 3, 1)

31 Aug 1825 Sheriff�s sale...identical to the 2 April 1825 entry above leading
one to
speculate that Meredith Poythress was able to postpone the April 2 sale.
(Augusta Chronicle, 04/02/1825, 3, 4)

1827 Meredith Poythress of Screven County (and William
Poythress of Burke
County), both described themselves as Rev. War soldiers. William did
not claim his grant...�was probably dead� [how do we know this?]

8 Mar 1827 Meredith, Sr. named as father in Will of Cleton Poythress 8 Mar
1827.
Also mentions Meredith, Jr. as brother. Screven Will Book I (GDAH 110/8)

3 May 1828 Meredith a witness to will of James Scott, �Annals of Georgia�
by Wilson.
Vol. 2, pg. 141 [Meredith, Sr. or Meredith, Jr.?]

1830 Census indicates a free white male between 60 and 70 living in
household
with Meredith, Jr. Presumed to be Meredith, Sr.

1832 Meredith, Sr. successful candidate Ga. Land Lottery of 1832. Wins
section section 2, lot 1078, Cobb County.

Before 1840 Meredith, Sr. assumed to have died after 1832, before 1840 [does
not
show on 1840 census].		02/02/1998 2:52:51
Meredith Poythress, Jr. Event LineBelow. Critique (additions, changes) solicited but especially from you, Bud,
since
your records are the basis of the two marriages.

>
Meredith Poythress, Jr.
Trial Time Line

Preface: The Screven County, Ga. censuses of 1840, 50, and 60 construct the
birth of Meredith Poythress, Jr. as 1790, nine years following the marriage of
his father Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Edith Cleaton. Meredith Poythress,
Jr.�s death is after 1860, prior to 1870 (census).

Meredith Poythress, Jr. married twice. While records have not been found to
document either marriage via marriage bonds or licenses, Meredith, Jr. can be
constructed to have married twice (by primary contemporaneous evidence): 1)
Hester/Ester/Hetty Wilder Mock (b. 25 Feb-1793, d. ca. 1828) and 2) Susan R.
Maner (b. 1800 d. 1850-60). Five children resulted from each marriage.

In the instance of Hester Wilder Mock, in 1794 a Burke County Court Record
book with remaining blank pages was sold to Harry Wilder, who records daily
business transactions of sundry nature. Next Wilder�s son Isaac Wilder
inherits the book and uses it for even more varied purposes, one of which is
to record the births of various Wilder Family members. Listed are the name and
birth dates of Hester Wilder�s children by Meredith Poythress, Jr.: George
Washington Poythress b. 13 Jan 1819
John White Poythress, b. 13 Jan 1821
Henrietta Poythress b. 7 Dec 1823
Sarah Edwards Poythress b. 14 Nov 1826
Isaac Edmon Poythress b. 28 May 1828.

Additionally with respect to Hester Wilder Mock, it will be noted below (7 Sep
1818) that Meredith Poythress participated in the estate of Benjamin Mock in
right of his wife.

Meredith Poythress, Jr. m. 2 Susan R. Maner (b. 1800 S. C. - ? ). Issue of
this marriage:
Mary Poythress b. 1829
Susan Poythress b. 1831
John Maner Poythress b. 26 Jul 1832 Ga.; d. 1 Oct 1866 Ga.
Daniel W. Poythress b. 26 Feb 1838 Ga.; d. 15 Nov 1922
Ruthy Poythress b. 1840.

Additionally, Meredith�s relationship to Susan R. Maner is spelled out in
specific detail in
Meredith�s participation in an estate settlement in South Carolina in right
of his wife, Susan R. Maner (see below 28 Nov 1846).

Births of these children are inserted in the below chronology at the dates of
birth indicated.

1790 Probable birth of Meredith Poythress, Jr. as constructed above.

7 Sep 1818 Meredith Poythress in right of his wife [Hester Wilder Mock] on
the Estate of Benjamin Mock, late of Screven County dced be
granted
Letters Dismissory...It appearing that a citation has been duly published.
Screven County Inferior Court Minutes, Bk A (1811-1829) pg. 98.

13 Jan 1819 Birth of George Washington Poythress, 1st child of Meredith
Poythress, Jr.
& Hester Wilder Mock. .

13 Jan 1821 Birth of John White Poythress, 2nd child of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. and
Hester Wilder Mock.

1821 Meredith, Jr. successful �drawer� Ga. Land Lottery of 1821. Wins
section
92, land lot 10 in Houston County. (Standard lot was 202 1/2 acres).

8 Jan 1822 Meredith, Jr. (?) awarded $300 in settlement of estate of John
Maner, Sen.
as ordered by court. GDAH 37/32 (Drawer 37, Microfilm Roll 32).

7 Dec 1823 Birth of Henrietta Poythress, 3rd child of Meredith Poythress, Jr.
and
Hester Wilder Mock.

27 Dec 1823 Meredith, Jr. sells 202 1/2 acres, Lot 10 of Houston County to
George
Henry Maner $ 200. (no book cited but photocopy of deed on hand). Not
much doubt but that this is the Houston County land won by Meredith in
the 1821 land lottery above. Wit: John S. Maner, Margaret A. Mercer.
Proven 17 Jul 1824, Recorded 20 Oct 1826. Screven County DB (1822-
1834) L (old), Book 6-P (new), pgs. 186-187.

14 Dec 1826 Birth of Sarah Edwards Poythress, 4th child of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. and
Hester Wilder Mock.

19 Feb 1827 John S. Maner, for himself, and as guardian of John H. Mercer, a
minor
and orphan of John Mercer, deceased, George H. Maner, Meredith
Poythress, Jr. & Henry Colding, for $ 291, sold Moses N. McCall Esquire
a Negro woman slave named Aggy, the former property of Silas C. Maner,
a minor now deceased, sold for making a division among the surviving
brothers and sisters and for the benefit of the creditors, if any.
Wit: J. W. P. McCall, Chas. H. McCall, Recorded 4 August 1830.
Screven County DB (1822-1834) L (old), Book 6-P (new), pg. 329.

2 May 1838 Meredith Poythress, Jr. witnessed will of James Scott, Sr. of
Screven Co.
Check GDAH for documentary details on this one^^^^

18 May 1828 Meredith Poythress, Jr. cited as brother of Cleton Poythress in
Cleton
will. Text of Cleton will on file. Screven County, WB 2B, pgs. 41-2.

28 May 1828 Birth of Isaac Edmon Poythress, 5th child of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. and
Hester Wilder Mock.

1828 Probable death of first wife Hester/Hetty/Esther Wilder Mock.

1828 (Sr.?) Witness to will of James Scott.

1829 Birth of Mary Poythress, 1st child of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and Susan
R.
Maner.

1831 Birth of Susan Poythress, 2nd child of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and Susan
R. Maner

26 Jul 1832 Birth of John Maner Poythress, 3rd child of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. and
Susan R. Maner.

1832 Meredith, Jr. succesful candidate Ga. Land Lottery of 1832. Wins
section
3, lot 76, in Cobb County.

6 Oct 1834 Received of George H. Maner and James A. Mock $ 10 in full of all
claims
against the Estates Andrew Mock decd. & Benjamin Mock decd. in full of
all demands whatsoever to this date, Oct. 6th, 1834. Signed: Meredith
Poythress. Wit: Daniel C. Howell, Jesse Freeman, Alexander Kemp,
J. I. C. (Justice Inferior Court). Recorded 6 Oct 1834. (note: while this
document does not spell out Meredith Poythress, Jr., Jr. has marital
relations with both the Maner and Mock families and is the obvious
recipient of this settlement. Further, evidence suggests that Meredith
Poythress, Sr. may not even have still been alive at the time of this
transaction. Source: Screven County Annual Returns Bk D (1833-1855),
pg. 51.

26 Feb 1838 Birth of Daniel Willie Poythress, 4th child of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. and
Susan R. Maner.

1840 Birth of Ruth Poythress, 5th child of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and Susan
R.
Maner.

25 Oct 1842 Meredith drawn for Petit Jury, Screven Book 2, pg. 75 (no index)

28 Nov 1846 Meredith Poythress deeds to John S. Maner, for $ 700, all his
right in the
estate of Susan Cooper, deceased, of South Carolina, to which he is
entitled in right of his wife, Susan R., late Susan R. Maner, daughter of
John Maner and Ruth his wife, formerly Ruth Stafford, who was the sister
of said Susan Cooper. Screven County DB R, (1846-1850) pg. 69.
Wit: Andrew M. Webster, Mulford Marsh: N. P. of Chatham County.
Recorded 11 Jan 1847. Seaborn Goodall, Clerk.

10 Apr 1851 Meredith drawn for Petit Jury, Screven Book 2, pg. 604 (no index)

1860 Screven County 1860 Census shows Meredith as 60 (incorrect, he would
have been 70 if the preceding 2 censuses are correct and the 1850 census
is very specific. Meredith is shown living in the home of B. H. Brannen,
dwelling # 531, family # 531. Occupation shown is Farm Laborer.		02/02/1998 2:52:57
Blanch Spurlock Bentley PapersSee below for my exchange with Tenn. State Library & Archives re Al'
"assignment" to see what was here. Given the Tenn. lady's comment that a) it
was only on a page or two and b) it concerned connections with the Rolfe
family.........I'm certainly able to wait on this without holding my
breath.....but I'll get the microfilm on interlibrary loan and make
transcription for us.

Maynard

>
Subj: Research-Poythress Family -Reply -Reply -Reply
Date: 98-02-02 17:38:52 EST
From: jrather@mail.state.tn.us (Julia Rather)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com
CC: ie17cas@langate.tnet.state.tn.us

>>> Marylin Hughes 02/02/98 04:20pm >>>
I have checked the Blanch Spurlock Bentley Papers and the Poythress
family was affiliated with the Rolfe family as noted in these papers. If
you would like to see this material (only a page or two) you may have
your local library request this reel on interlibrary loan (noted as Mf.
1063). The material can be found in box l, f. 5 or this collection. If you
have any other requests, you may direct your inquiry to Marylin B.
Hughes, State Library and Archives, 403 7th Av. N., Nashville, TN
37243-0312. We could locate no other information in our holdings for the
Poythress family.

>>> Julia Rather 01/21/98 03:38pm >>>

>>> VKRatliff 01/20/98 03:38pm >>>
I am researching the family history of the above family and have had
your
Tenn. State Library and Archives identified as the holder of the Blanch
Spurlock Bentley papers which contain information on this family.

I am in Louisville and can come to Nashville to review the material but I
suspect the
Poythress material is likely to be scant in this particular collection as the
family had little presence in Tennessee. I'd certainly rather not drive to
Nashville to photocopy one or two references if I can obtain the
information
by paying a reasonable look-up and copying fee.

Is it possible for someone to review these papers and tell me how much
specific Poythress information is contained and perhaps what the
charges would
be to provide me with photocopies of the specific Poythress records?
Alternatively, if the papers have a huge quantity of Poythress information
I
would be prepared to visit
Nashville.

Thank you very much for your help.

Sincerely,

John M. Poythress
(vkratliff@aol.com)		02/02/1998 4:01:43
Re: Coggin? Tye? Coggin? Tye?Thanks, Lou and Barbara, for this remedial help. And thanks, Lea Dowd,
for your response of 12/5/97. And thanks, Lou, for your message of
9/4/97 on this topic. And thanks, Al Tims and Helene Pockrus, for your
message of 7/11/97 on this topic. And thanks, Rootsweb, for this
marvelous search engine
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
with which even forgetful people such as I am can - if they do not forget
to do so - find it all with just the one little word "Tye". 🙂

Of these, I am moved to repeat here the July 1997 information. Al Tims
passed along a set received from our former list member Helene Pockrus,
works found in a search of the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake
City. Note under CONTENTS below:

CALL NUMBER
US/CAN
BOOK AREA
929.273
A1
no. 5816
AUTHOR
Dotson, Flora B.
TITLE
Analysis of Cheney Boyce, Richard Tye, and John Coggan and Poythress; /
by
Flora B. Dotson ; The Pace-Poythress land transactions ; Continuation of
the Pace-Poythress connection ; The Richard Pace-Richard Baker question ;

Research notes on Rebecca Cocgan and Major Francis Poythress, supplement
;
Research notes on Poythress ; Research notes on Littlebury Eppes (Epes).
PUBLICATION INFORMATION
1987-1988.
FORMAT
37 leaves.
NOTES
Typescript.
CONTENTS
John Cogan married Joyce, the widow of Richard Tye in 1659. Their
daughter Rebecca was born ca. 1660 and married Major Francis
Poythress who died in 1688. Their daughter Rebecca Poythress
was married to Richard Pace by 1699. Includes additional
genealogical analysis of various family relationships.
Many family members lived in Charles City County, Virginia.
Includes Epes, Pace, Kirkland, Ardington, Knowles, and related families.
Includes index.
Consists of a series of articles written by the author, 1987-1988.

Right or wrong, this writer is confident of her facts: Rebecca is a Tye!
Thanks again, all, for your patience.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:47:51 -0600 "James L. Poole"
writes:
>Ah, Barb, now that you remind me, I remember that discussion well. I
>had not, however, before now connected that citation by Boddie to the
>discussion of the alleged illicit marriage. (If I had been alert, I
>should have guessed from the dates in the citation.) But if that,
>indeed, was Boddie's citation, then I think we're stuck. I believe
>the conclusion that one would draw from that lawsuit was that Rebecca
>was probably John Coggin's daughter, but we can't be really sure. At
>least I'm out of ideas for how to resolve the issue. (You'd think
>that as often as Dr. John was in court, he'd at least have had the
>courtesy of naming his children in one of his lawsuits !)
>
>Lou
>
>On Thursday, January 29, 1998 9:32 PM, Charles Neal
>[SMTP:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com] wrote:
>> 1-29-98
>>
>> Lou,
>>
>> In Benjamin B. Weisiger III's volume (available from our Poythress-
>> cousin &
>> List-member Craig Scott's Willow Bend Books) __Charles City County,
>> VA
>> Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of a Court Order Book for
>the
>> Year
>> 1680__ (1992, Iberian re-typeset this 1980 original volume):
>>
>> there is a LONG entry (on pp. 509-510 of the Charles City County
>> Court
>> Order Book for 1687-1695, which presumably the Library of VA has on
>> microfilm, available on interlibrary loan) re case of Wm Randolph
>as
>> Atty
>> General bringing case against Charles Bartholmew for an alleged
>> unlawful
>> marriage, which I think our list has covered. Try checking our
>> List
>> archives at:
>> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
>>
>> It indeed goes into Rebecca being known as sister of Frances, and
>> both
>> being daughters of John Coggan's wife, and how one witness says
>> they are
>> daughters of one mother but different fathers. I'll be darned if I
>> can
>> tell just from the entry itself who the other father was, or which
>> daughter
>> is from which father, but hopefully from the context of the actual
>> material, you might could tell better, and/or it may have been
>> covered
>> earlier in one or more of the archived messages of our List that I
>> recall
>> seeing sometime back re Charles Bartholomew's alleged unlawful
>> marriage.
>> Also, perhaps Craig Scott can say whether the Weisiger volume is
>> abstracts
>> or full transcriptions, a point of which I am not sure.
>>
>> By the way, folks, during the 1687-1695 period, Maj. Francis
>> Poythress was
>> one of the Justices of the Peace there in Charles City County, a
>> point
>> mentioned in Weisiger's introduction.
>>
>> All for now,
>> BPN
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>>
>>
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Blanch & MeredithsCharles NealMaynard,

Your request re the Blanch Spurlock Bentley papers was very well worded!!
I tried them a long time ago inquiring for something (could have been for
that) and they weren't willing to give me anywhere near that much info in
response. Seems to me that what I got in response to my letter was a
poor-grade photocopy of a sheet with their hours and their address, but
maybe that was some other place. At any rate, you did great.

And, wow, have you been busy working on the Meredith Poythress duo. Thanks
so much!

Good show!
BPN

02/02/1998 10:01:12
Meredith Time LineCharles NealMaynard,

I forgot to mention to you, though perhaps someone else will have done so
in the meantime, that your notation "Date in Bold type = item needs
documentation" becomes meaningless to recipients of e-mail because the
process of AOL sending out your message strips away all the bolding and
some other types of formatting, too, for that matter. For future
reference, you could instead use an asterisk by key dates, and that would
stay in there, even thru emailing across the Net.

Ay,
BPN

02/02/1998 10:21:31
Margaret FletcherFolks, Margaret Fletcher, the charming lady from Maurice and Pat's part of the
woods, is now "WIRED". After a couple of false starts trying to get her
address down correctly its: M.A.Fletcher@btinternet.com (dots but no spaces
after the dots in her name).

Many of you will recall that Margaret did some yeoman (yeoperson?) work for us
a while back. Pat, I'm not sure if you know Margaret but I gave her your
address specifically along with the web page and how to sign on for listserv
even if she just wants to lurk a while and see how one of these things work
(or don't work).

I suspect Margaret will be floundering around for a few weeks until she gets
the hang of this thing so I'll ask those of you for whom the spirit is moved
just to send her a short note offering welcome, invitation, help, etc.

Thanks,

Maynard

02/03/1998 6:26:06
Deed of 11 Dec 1721dHazel, I have found the exact same lengthy abstract of this will on pages 37 &
38 of
William & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 27 (1918-1920).

Since in those days people were setting type to make pages it would be my
guess
that someone (whomever is was) that wrote that "page 95" of yours had access
to the type set for the Wm & Mary Quarterly....or perhaps the other way
around. In fact W&M's page 37 stops precisely where your page 95 stops.

The only thing that is on W&M's page 38 (and presumably your missing page 96
as well) is the finishing up of the sentence on the preceding page and it
starts in quotes:

"according to ye most ancient & Rightfull Bounds thereof," was declared
escheat "from Edm'd Ardington, dec'ed," 19 November 1690.

Also, the top of W&M's 37 starts out same words, same place as your page 95:

The following items are from the fragmentary Prince George County
Records:

All of which to me says it almost has to be the precisely same text.

Maynard		02/03/1998 11:37:14
Maurice's RetirementHEY !.....Thats great news, Maurice. All that baloney about guys "being" what
they do for a living and being dissatisfied with retirement is just
that....baloney. It will be the easiest "adjustment" you ever had.....in
fact, its not even an adjustment....you just slide gently into a blissful non-
routine. So, that TV (I guess telly for you) show you want to watch doesn't
come on until 1 AM...big deal....you don't have to get up in the morning, just
watch the thing. Later, you'll go back a few times for lunch with the boys
but after a few months all the boys will probably be gone...and even if they
aren't you won't even care. Just concentrate on all the book stores,
libraries, etc.
that have needed serious "prowling" all these years.

As for "decorating", I am resident expert on that. Wife Jean majored in
interior design/fine arts at University of Georgia about a million years
ago.....what profiteth a man to have a wife with those credentials & talents:
NADA. You get to pay for your own home and everyone else in the world gets a
pro bono interior designer. But, hey, you won't have anything to do BUT
change those valences and spend all that handsome retirement income on "new"
antiques. Thats a small price to pay to be a gentleman of leisure( well
"semi" anyway....leisure, not gentleman).

Sincerely wishing you the best,

Maynard		02/04/1998 4:04:22
Group membershipDear Margaret,

So glad you have now got your e-mail up and running. It is a lot cheaper
and quicker than the ordinary snail mail.

I am sure you will enjoy belonging to this group, they are a real
friendly bunch. The web pages are very good, as I expect you have
already found out.

I think it was since I last wrote to you that I found our Christopher's
baptism - it was 4 Sep 1616 in St Swithins Church, Worcester to John. We
went to Worcester Record Office and had a look at the entry and it says
to John Pewdreis of Newent. Now all we have to find is that John's
baptism.

Very busy at the moment as Maurice retires tomorrow, and there is lots
to do for his retirement party. Hopefully after that we will have more
time for family history and all our other hobbies, including decorating!

Very best wishes,

Pat & Maurice		02/04/1998 10:05:10
WisconsinMurphyThe Poythress group is indeed one very active group as Maynard said.
Now, may I take advantage and come with a plea? Is there anyone in the
Madison WI area who can go to the state library and get something for
me? The Draper papers has a letter from one Armistead Miller that I need
a copy of. We do have the Draper papers on film but not the index of
Daniel Boone series to guide me. The film is too hard to read to do the
entire thing. I would gladly pay someone to do this. If I could just get
that page, I could go to MidContinent and copy it. If any of you are up
there in snow-land, please talk to me! I can give you the exact Daniel
Boone Series reference to take you there. Thanks. Hazel

02/05/1998 1:39:01
Re: How 'bout "POITRESS?"Julian P. Bell, Jr.Doesn't seem too much of a problem to me; isn't a healthy percentage of the
English populace related to William the Norman (a.k.a. French) Conqueror?

Julian P. Bell, Jr. jpbell@BellSouth.net

----------
> To anyone interested or who might add something in this spelling quandry.
>
> A few months ago my sister and her husband, Martha (Poythress) and Glee Edwin

<<< SNIP >>>

> Martha ask "how do they spell the Poythress name there," and she responded--
> "P o i t r e s s, and it is a very common name in Quebec!"........

<<< SNIP >>>

> Has anyone every really checked us out for a FRENCH connection? Could be we
> just a bunch of (green, or maybe rain) "FROGS" and didn't know it!
>
> Bud
> (BPoythress@aol.com - 2/5/98 - 4:30 PM EST)		02/05/1998 4:22:34
How 'bout "POITRESS?"To anyone interested or who might add something in this spelling quandry.

A few months ago my sister and her husband, Martha (Poythress) and Glee Edwin
Bridges of Kings Mountain, NC took a short mini-vacation to/on Jekyll Island,
GA and while attending a function of some sort there, they were seated at a
table with some "14-16 visiting folks." In the varied group with them were a
"travel agent from Savannah," and "several folks from Quebec, Canada."

When my sister mentioned she was "originally from around Savannah," the travel
agent asked "what her maiden name was?" When she said it was "Martha Ann
Poythress," one of the ladies from Quebec chimed in and said "there are many
Poythress in Quebec!!!

Martha ask "how do they spell the Poythress name there," and she responded--
"P o i t r e s s, and it is a very common name in Quebec!"........

End of story.......

Has anyone every really checked us out for a FRENCH connection? Could be we
just a bunch of (green, or maybe rain) "FROGS" and didn't know it!

Bud
(BPoythress@aol.com - 2/5/98 - 4:30 PM EST)		02/05/1998 9:33:03
How 'bout "POITRESS?"Charles NealBud,

I know from my looking at the IGI at the Mormons' Family History Centers
thru the years, that the name "Poitras" is extremely common in the New
Orleans area, & in Quebec. I have not launched into checking any of that
out yet, having more than enough other Poythress folks to research & other
spellings to contend with.

BPN

02/05/1998 9:56:15
LVA: Thanks! and A Further QuestionCharles NealThanks, Lyn!

When I had had trouble with those some months ago, I had just assumed they
were still working on loading them. Had intended to try again and had
forgotten my intention until seeing your message. Glad you inquired & glad
they fixed it.

BPN

02/05/1998 9:56:25
Re: How 'bout "POITRESS?"Ain't touching that one.....been wrong too many times.

Maynard

02/05/1998 10:40:22
LVA: Thanks! and A Further QuestionDear Ms. Rodrick, I have checked the links that had previously not worked
and all links appear to be working. Thanks to you and to your technical
contact for opening this valuable Batte information to researchers.

I have one further content question: Alternating among the publication
cards are what appear to be person cards, sometimes upside down, often or
always with marks across the card. Could you enlighten as to the purpose
of these? I am guessing Mr. Batte was "recycling" discarded person cards
to use as publication cards. Any opinions or facts on this matter would
be greatly appreciated.

An example of such a person card is located at:
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/PUB150-238?2

Thanks again for your help.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 24 Nov 97 21:10:52 EST Elizabeth Roderick
writes:
>Hi - I am forwarding your information to my technical contact.
>Thanks, and I'm sorry you had problems!
>
>Elizabeth
>
>
>According to llbaird@juno.com:
>>
>> I am a user of the LVA Electronic Card Indices and would appreciate
>your
>> help with a problem I am experiencing. When I attempt to jump FROM
>the
>> following page....
>>
>> Collection: R. Bolling Batte Papers -- Biographical Card Files
>> http://198.17.62.51/collections/BA.html
>>
>> ...TO any one of the following pages (last five entries in the
>index)...
>>
>> Source A-O
>> http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/SRCA-O?1
>>
>> Source P-Z
>> http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/SRCP-Z?1
>>
>> Publications, P-1 - P-75
>> http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/PUB1-75?1
>>
>> Publications, P-76 - P-149
>> http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/PUB76-149?1
>>
>> Publications, P-150 - P-238
>> http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/044/PUB150-238?1
>>
>> ...I get to a page that indicates ZERO cards, perhaps due to an
>incorrect
>> link. It would be greatly appreciated for you to let me know how to
>> successfully access these five source and publication pages.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Lyn P. Baird
>> llbaird@juno.com
>>
>
>
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>(eroderic@leo.vsla.edu)
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[Fwd: New E Mail Address]wayne scruggs02/07/1998 4:42:40
James S. Poythresswayne scruggsI have just received the Funeral record of James Speed and Martha Grice
Poyhress from my brother Carl Speed. Martha's father was Robert Raiford
and mother was Sallie Gardner. They were both from North Carolina.
Mattie's birthday was Jan. 31,1840 . She was 77 when she died. James
Speed's birthday was Sept. 24,1829. They list his father as Nathan. This
is what was in Betty Lawerence's book on page 129 also. The person who
gave this information to Betty could be the same one who gave it to the
funeral home as it states that the information was given to them
personaly. Betty says he had it mixed up and David was the father and
Nathan the grandfather. So what about Lewis? Maybe Nathan was a second
name for Lewis? Both of these funeral services were held at Hawkins
Memorial Methodist church. Which was right across the street from where
James David & Carrie Poythress lived.The record states that the mother
of James Speed could not be obtained, nor her birth place. His father
was born in Va.Both died at home at 902 Braxton Ave.in Southside,
Meridian,Ms.I have a picture of Hawkins Memorial Church and the plaque
on the side for the building Committee. C.H. Poythress is on the plaque.
I beleive this to be Carl Hutton Poythress, son of James Speed
Poythress.

Judy Speed Scruggs		02/07/1998 8:47:05
New E Mail Addresswayne scruggsMESSAGE ALERT

I have a new E-Mail Address. Just switched @ 1:20 PM 2/7/98

If you responded to any of my messages in last hour, please send again
to new address

was638@bellsouth.net		02/07/1998 11:19:16
Make $50,000+ through the mail for FREE!Subject: GET LEGAL CASH IN MAIL W/ ONLY $5.00

READ THIS YOU WON'T BE SORRY, I WASN'T

This will be the quickest way to get cash in the mail.If you follow these
instructions carefully, you will be able to receive within two months
nearly $50,000.00. The great part is is that $5.00 isn't really a whole
lot and it could just be worth a try. I am currently 6 months pregnant and
my husband and I are in debt. We both have really good professions but he
has massive student loans and credit card bills (I was lucky and my father
helped me through college). Needless to say, since we are married to one
another I acquired his debt also. In any case, I followed these easy steps
thinking that I really had nothing to lose and guess what? The first week I
started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would
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$20.00 to $30.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total
of over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third
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in .......

You send $1.00 to each of the 5 names and address stated in the
article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the
list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There
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Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, Why
it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so
you can get the information off of it as you need it. The process is
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Like most of us, I was a little skeptical and
a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it
out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed
that it is indeed legal!

Seriously, your story will sound like this one if you participate by doing
the following:

STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write your address on each
piece of paper along with "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST."
Now get 5 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 5 pieces of paper so th
e bill will
not be seen through the envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper
in each of the 5 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 5 sealed
envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a $1.00
bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS PERFECTLY
LEGAL!

Mail the 5 envelopes to the following addresses:

#1 Corey McNear
233 Olive st.
West Reading, PA 19611

#2 R. M.
66 Navesink Drive
Monmouth Beach, NJ 07750

#3 Sam
27248 Grano Avenue
Saugus, CA 91350

#4 Pat anderson
41 pilote
st-ambroise Pq

#5 Nick Austin
12318 Dollar Lk dr
Fenton, MI 48430-9734

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (2 becomes 1, 3 becomes 2, etc...) and add YOUR Name as
number 5 on the list.

STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at
least 200 newsgroups. (I think there is close to 18,000 groups) All
you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make!

Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the
following:

FOR NETSCAPE USERS:
1) Click on any newsgroup, like normal. Then click on "To News", which
is in the top left corner of the newsgroup page. This will bring up a
message box.

2) Fill in the SUBJECT with a flashy title, like the one I used,
something to catch the eye!!!

3) Now go to the message part of the box and retype this letter
exactly as it is here, with exception of your few changes. (remember
to add your name to number 5 and move the rest up)
6

4) When your done typing in the WHOLE letter, click on 'FILE' above
the send button. Then, 'SAVE AS..' DO NOT SEND YOUR ARTICLE UNTILL YOU
SAVE IT. (so you don't have toype this 200 times 🙂

5) Now that you have saved the letter, go ahead and send your first
copy! (click the 'SEND' button in the top left corner)

6) This is where you post all 200! OK, go to ANY newsgroup article and
click the 'TO NEWS' button again. Type in your flashy subject in the
'SUBJECT BOX', then go to the message and place your cursor here. Now
click on 'ATTACHMENT' which is right below the 'SUBJECT BOX'. Click on
attach file then find your letter wherever you saved it. Click once
on your file then click 'OPEN' then click 'OK'. If you did this right
, you should see your filename in the 'ATTACHMENT BOX' and it will be
shaded.

NOW POST AWAY!

FOR INTERNET EXPLORER:
It's just as easy, holding down the left mouse button, highlight this
entire article, then press the 'CTRL' key and 'C' key at the same time
to copy this article. Then print the article for your records to have
the names of those you will be sending $1.00 to.

Go to the newsgroups and press 'POST AN ARTICLE' type in your flashy
subject and click the large window below. Press 'CTRL' and 'V' and the
article will appear in the message window. **BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR
ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE 5 NAMES.** Now re-highlight the article and
re-copy it so you have the changes.... then all you have to do for
each newsgroup is 'CTRL' and 'V' and press 'POST'. It's that easy!!
THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post
away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for
each newsgroup!

**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**

**If these instructions are too complex to follow, try Forte's "Free
Agent." It is freeware for noncommercial use. To download it, simply
use a search utility and type "Forte Free Agent". You should be able
to find it.**

That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within
days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large
amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can
invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST
MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**

Now the WHY part:

This entire principle works because it is in a format of an upside
down tree with thousands of branches. Everyone below you will see to
it that the tree continues because they want to get money. Those
below THEM will continue because THEY want to get the cash etc.

Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low
example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #5 on the letter. Now,
each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200
postings, each with my name at #4 and only 5 persons respond to each
of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each
make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #3 and only 5 replies each, I
will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn
around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #2 and only receive 5
replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the
fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM of 200 letters
with my name at #1 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just
made me $3,125.00!!! With a original investment of only $5.00!
AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is
probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses
per person. Here is what you will make:

at #5 $15.00
at #4 $225.00
at #3 $3,375.00
at #2 $50,625.00
at #1 $759,375.00

When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $5.00 to names on the
list, putting your name at number 5 and start posting again.
The thing to remember is that thousands of people all over the world
are joining the Internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST
LIKE YOU are now!! And this will go on and on and on and on.... get
the picture? Well, there's 5,000,000,000 people on the world and
most of them will eventually end up being hooked into the internet.
So there are virtually unlimited resources. Of course this will work
the best at the very beginning so the faster you post, the better for
YOU!

People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one
sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening
when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are
joining the Internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to
give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users,
every day, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet.
Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have
to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also.
Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an
eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly.

Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the
basic idea to make the money!!

GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from
this, which is tons of extra CASH. **By the way, if you try to deceive
people by posting the messages with y name in the list and not
sending the money to the rest of the people already onhe list, you
will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that
and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight weeks!
Then he sent the 5 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and
in 4-5 weeks he had over $10k. This ishe fairest and most honest way
I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing
anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail
lists for future dollars.

Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...		02/07/1998 11:55:04
WOODLIEF connectionSandyHello,

I am currently visiting the excellent Poythress website and thought I would
send an email to the list to let you know there is another WOODLIEF
connection out here on the web!

I hope to subscribe to your list one of these days, but am afraid I am
unable to undertake another list right now.

My Woodlief line may be viewed at my website, for those who may be
interested....I have chosen not to repeat the same information already
available on the web, so much of my website concerns North Carolina
Woodlief lines. There are a good many "unknowns" as we take the NC
Woodliefs back into VA, so I am trying first to sort those out.
http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/

If any of you should ever think I might have any information helpful in
your research, please just let me know. I think the Poythress website is
very, very nice!

Best regards to all,
Sandy Bolick

--
email: sandyhb@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/
>
Jenkins, Richards, Hocking: Illogan, Cornwall>NC USA;
Hoyle: Notts, Engl > NC USA;
Bolick, Parker, Woodlief: VA/NC USA
>

02/08/1998 6:30:37
Re: WOODLIEF connectionAlbert R. TimsSandy,

Thanks! I'm afraid I'm way behind in getting the web site updated with
information our subscribers have uncovered -- a situation I hope to correct
before too long. We do have an archive of all our Poythress exchanges
available via the RootsWeb archive system. If you do a search for the
Woodlief surname I think you'll find that we've had quite a few exchanges
trying to unravel the connections. Without question, the 17th Century
history of the Woodlief, Wynne and the Poythress families are allied --
primarily through Mary Wynne.

To access the Poythress archive all you need do is go to the following URL
and type in the Poythress surname.
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

You'll be taken to a search page where you can enter the search terms of
interest. Do let us know if you find things of interest or mistakes in our
understanding of things :-).

Hope you'll be joining us at some point down the line.

Best,

Albert Tims
Poythress List Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 7:31 PM
Subject: WOODLIEF connection

>Hello,
>
>I am currently visiting the excellent Poythress website and thought I would
>send an email to the list to let you know there is another WOODLIEF
>connection out here on the web!
>
>I hope to subscribe to your list one of these days, but am afraid I am
>unable to undertake another list right now.
>
>My Woodlief line may be viewed at my website, for those who may be
>interested....I have chosen not to repeat the same information already
>available on the web, so much of my website concerns North Carolina
>Woodlief lines. There are a good many "unknowns" as we take the NC
>Woodliefs back into VA, so I am trying first to sort those out.
>http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/
>
>If any of you should ever think I might have any information helpful in
>your research, please just let me know. I think the Poythress website is
>very, very nice!
>
>Best regards to all,
>Sandy Bolick
>
>--
>email: sandyhb@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/
>>
>Jenkins, Richards, Hocking: Illogan, Cornwall>NC USA;
>Hoyle: Notts, Engl > NC USA;
>Bolick, Parker, Woodlief: VA/NC USA
>>
>
>
>
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>		02/08/1998 8:05:57
We Were SpammedAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

It looks like we've been "Spammed" (I'm sure Hormel loves this term) with a chain letter scam [Make $50,000 ...., GET LEGAL CASH IN MAIL W/ ONLY $5.00]. We weren't alone -- apparently all of the Rootsweb lists were hit. The good news is that the brilliant fellow who runs the lists has taken quick action to block the ISP where the spam originated and track down the spammer.

If you see things like this in the future please just delete them immediately. I see everything that comes to the lists and will do all I can to address the problem.

By the way -- we're in the middle of the legislative session up here in Minnesota and my program has $19 million in bonding and special appropriations moving through various committees. As the program director, I'm totally swamped -- hence my lack of response to the wonderful postings to the Poythress list. In a matter of just weeks it will all be decided and I can return to a normal life and to being the list manager I want to be. I'm only telling you this because you deserve an explanation as to why you aren't hearing much from me.

Best,
Al Tims
Poythress List Manager		02/08/1998 10:44:05
Woodlief PagesAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Received another note from Sandy about her Woodlief research. It might be of some interest to many of you to visit her web site. She seems to be in much the same boat as we are in trying to link the Woodlief folk in North Carolina with Capt. John Woodlief.

In particular - see her account at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/woodlief/captj.html

Best,
Al Tims
02/08/1998 11:15:10
John PoythressPauline PierceI am trying to determine who the father of John Poythress b.ca 1650, d.
ca. 1724, m. Mary Batte was. In Chapter 12 of the Poythress Family this
John is listed as the son of Francis & Rebecca Coggin. Yet in the R.
Bolling Batte Papers John Poythress, b. ca. 1650 is named as the son of
John & Christian (Peebles) Poythress. In these same index cards the
children of Francis & Mary Poythress are listed as 1. Francis Poythress
m. Rebecca (Coggin) which has been marked through and TYE written above.
2. John Poythress m. Christian Peebles 3. Jane Poythress m. Thomas Rolfe
4. Thomas Poythress. He (R. Bolling Batte) gives the son of John &
Christian as John who married Mary Batte, and John & Mary had a son
Thomas who married Elizabeth (Pleasants) Cooke. Thomas & Elizabeth
Poythress had a daughter Susanna who married William Hall. My line is
documented back to William Hall, but can anyone help me out from there
back to the original Francis Poythress. I would really like some help on
this.
Thanks,
Pauline Mitchell Pierce		02/09/1998 3:38:56
RE: John PoythressJames L. PooleAs the compiler of "Chapter 12" I feel compelled to *try* to answer
Pauline's question. If you carefully review what I compiled you will
see that Boddie, in his "Historical Southern Families," listed the
John, son of Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin, as marrying Mary
____. Later on, in the chapter, please note that the W&M Quarterly
article "resolved" the issue by listing Mary ____ as Mary Batte. And
then later on in the same "chapter" we have John, son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles, listed as marrying Mary Batte
(source: "Prince George County Deeds, Wills, Etc. 1710-1713, Book B,
pp. 175-177" - The Southside Virginian, Vol. IX, No. 4, Oct-Dec 1991,
pp. 154-155.). And finally please note that in the quoted note below
the last, Boddie reverses his field, and declares that it was this
John Poythress who "seemingly" married May Batte. If nothing else
I've got the ground covered! (I should also comment that I
provided that "chapter" to Al prior to receiving the Batte chart, and
long before the cards became available).

So which is it you ask? and darned if I know. One of the nice things
about doing genealogy in a format that doesn't force you to fill in
one name in a database field, is that you can document such
differences with quotes, and pass the responsibility (and credit)
straight back to the source. (Now there's a cop-out for you!)

I think the short answer to your question is that we simply don't
know. Various competent genealogists have addressed the same
subject, none of them apparently having the direct proof in their
hands, and through a process of elimination and guesswork, have
independently arrived at different conclusions. If I had to guess,
though, based upon all these sources, and the discussion I've seen on
the list, the John who married Mary Batte was probably the son of
John and Christian (Peebles) Poythress, agreeing with Batte. But
that's squarely in the category of guesses on my part.

This is another of those Poythress puzzles that is going to take some
solid and thorough analysis to reach a conclusion on, lacking the
apparent direct proof from the records.

Anyone have a better answer to Pauline's question?

Lou Poole

On Monday, February 09, 1998 4:39 PM, Pauline Pierce
[SMTP:pollyp@e-tex.com] wrote:
> I am trying to determine who the father of John Poythress b.ca
1650,
> d.
> ca. 1724, m. Mary Batte was. In Chapter 12 of the Poythress Family
> this
> John is listed as the son of Francis & Rebecca Coggin. Yet in the
R.
>
> Bolling Batte Papers John Poythress, b. ca. 1650 is named as the
son
> of
> John & Christian (Peebles) Poythress. In these same index cards the
> children of Francis & Mary Poythress are listed as 1. Francis
> Poythress
> m. Rebecca (Coggin) which has been marked through and TYE written
> above.
> 2. John Poythress m. Christian Peebles 3. Jane Poythress m. Thomas
> Rolfe
> 4. Thomas Poythress. He (R. Bolling Batte) gives the son of John &
> Christian as John who married Mary Batte, and John & Mary had a son
> Thomas who married Elizabeth (Pleasants) Cooke. Thomas & Elizabeth
> Poythress had a daughter Susanna who married William Hall. My line
> is
> documented back to William Hall, but can anyone help me out from
> there
> back to the original Francis Poythress. I would really like some
> help on
> this.
> Thanks,
> Pauline Mitchell Pierce
>
>
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>		02/09/1998 7:01:36
Re: John PoythressLea L. DowdThe records are available in Prince George Co., VA to solve this problem.

1. Charles City Co., VA, Ct Rec 1688-1695 P. 193 4 Feb 1688/89
Suit of John Poythress as marrying Xtian, daughter of Eliza. Peebles vs
Tho. Busby, referred to next court. That John Poythress died before 11 Dec
1712 (Prince George Co., VA, W & D Bk 1710-1713 P. 175) and names his wife
Christian. So this John married Christian Peebles before 4 Feb 1688-89. He
also names "my two brothers Thomas and Joshua Wynn and William Stainback to
divide my estate".

So, I would have to say that THIS John is the son of Francis Poythress and
Mary (?) Wynn (who m. secondly Robert Wynn).

Prince George Co., VA W & D 1710-1713 P. 175. No date/11 Dec 1712
John Poythress:
Son Francis all land & plantation that I live on; Son David 300A at
Funnastorah; Son Joshua 300A at Monkasaneck; son Robert 300A at Indian
Swamp also 50A on lower side of Idian Swamp which he is not to sell; son
Francis 2 Negroes Coffer and Side; son David 2 Negroes Jack and Young Mary;
son Joshua 2 Negroes Petter and Beck; son Robert 2 Negroes Tom and Young
Sarah; son William 3 Negroes Frank Cook and Ame and Frank Cook at Nattuah;
son John 2 Negroes Bess and Nanny; son Peter 2 Negroes Benn and Nanny; wife
Christian 3 negroes Cato, Usse and Sarah; daughter Christian Poythres 2
Negroes Moll and John Cook; wife Christian my servant John Feild during his
time; daughter Mary Woodlief L40; grandson Francis Poythres, son of Francis
the Negroe child that Shu goes with; wife Christian 2 Negroes Shu and Jude
to be at her disposal. Exrs: wife and son John. I appoint my two brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne and William Stainback to be dividers of my estate.
Signed John (I) Poythres. Wit: Jno. Winninham, Pet'r Lath, Tho. Leeth,
William Stainback.
11 Dec 1712, proved by oath of John Winningham, Peter Leigh and William
Stainback and probate granted to John Poythres and Christian Poythres.

2. Mary Batte is named in the will of her brother Henry Batte (W&D
1713-1728 Pr. Geo. Co., VA P. 1042) as "sister Mary Poythress. That will
was dated 25 July 1722 and recorded 10 Oct 1727.

Now I would like to offer a hypothesis for all to consider...... I
personally "think" (and I mean think as I am NOT a Poythress) that the John
Poythress that died in 1724 is the son of John and Christian. I personally
have found NO proof for a John, William and Thomas Poythress as sons of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. I THINK that this comes as an
assumption....

Prince George Co., VA W&D 1713-1728, P. 706. No date/ Rec. 12 May 1724.
John Poythress of Martins Brandon Parish
Son John plantation where I now live 100A also 100A called Colebrook adj.
Jugh Evans, Walter Stainback, also a tract S side of main branch of
Blackwater Swamp, not debarring my brothers Francis and William Poythress
from getting timber for their plantation use; son Francis land at place
called The Brick Chimneys next to my son John and brother Thomas. (NOTE: He
is called brother Thomas.... (Could this be Thomas WYNN/WYNNE????), if John
dies before age 21 my son William to get it; two sons John and Francis 280A
next to Thomas Poythress (his Uncle???), John Young, Darrell Young and John
Winningham to be equally divided; son William 150A next to Thomas Poythress
& Thomas Lovesay formerly called Powells, to go to son John if William dies
before age 21; wife Mary; Dau Rebecca Poythress 1 Negroe; dau Elizabeth
Poythress same. Ex: Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. Wit: Francis Epes,
Jr., William Stainback, John Winningham.

Note the John Winningham and William Stainback appearing on both wills.
This second John died abt 12 years after the first. The second had young
sons.

3. The land Powells was SOLD to John Poythress JR by Francis Poythress on 8
Nov 1720 (PG Co. W & D 1713-1728 P. 425) for L10. It describes the
property just as the will does. IF it was his son, I don't think he would
have been called JR by his father as John SR was already dead by 1720.

4. I cannot seperate NOR find 2 differrent Thomas Poythresses in the
records NOR come up with an extra will for a John Poythress with a wife
Mary. Nor can I find proof of Francis, II having any children other than
Francis and Rebecca Poythress Pace.

I would appreciate any feedback on this....

Thanks,
Lea		02/09/1998 8:02:43
Woodlief dilemmaSandyDear Poythress "cousins,"

I've heard from your listowner, Albert, who suggested I post some of my
communication with him to your list, so I thought I would do this. (those
not interested in Woodliefs, please excuse the lenght of this message!!)

Perhaps some of you will run across information in your research that may
shed light, or have bearing upon, my Woodlief research.

Currently, I am "stuck" with my Charles Woodlief (b abt 1818)....and have
disproved some previous information. So, I can't connect my line to the VA
Woodliefs at this point. Perhaps what I've found may be of interest to some
of you.......

Briefly, let me give you an overview.
By previous research (primarily Pearl Woodlief Blackley and subsequently
Elizabeth Ann Kerman), my line is said to descend from William Woodlief
(one of the "Granville Men"....4 "brothers" who show up on Eaton's
Granville Co muster roll in 1754.) These four men.....Thomas, George,
Littlebury and Woodlief, were thought to be brothers, all sons of George
Woodlief + Nora Eppes of Prince George Co, Va.

However, in my own research, I've found nothing to "prove" the relationship
of these men as brothers (or anything else)....they merely share a common
surname (albeit a relatively unusual surname).
Further, I've found no references to children of George + Norah.....no
indication they had any children (even tho they probably did), and no
evidence of what the names of any children may have been.

As some of you may know, Eaton's muster roll is considered *the* earliest
listing of residents of Granville Co, NC. And further, it is believed this
muster roll includes the names of *every* able-bodied man in
Granville.....ranging in age from very young to quite old....and that there
are any number of fathers and sons on this roll. This leads to the very
real possibility that a father/son relationship may exist between some of
these 4 Woodlief men.

Further, it is important to note that Granville Co was formed in 1746 from
EDGECOMBE County. (Edgecombe was formed in 1741 from Bertie; Bertie formed
in 1722 from Chowan; Chowan was formed in 1670 as a precinct in Albemarle
Co)

It is important to note this because I have discovered a 1741 inventory of
the estate of one GEORGE WOODLIEF in Edgecombe County! Unfortunately, the
inventory gives *no* indication of an heirs or relations......It was taken
18 Feb, 1741 by one Samll Williams....and I've no idea who he was, other
than possibly an Edgecombe Co official.
>"A true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattles
>of George Woodlief, deceased (then it looks like & c or to ______ (with
>this line after it...???)
>
>2 Beds. 2. Blanketts 1 Sheet 2. Basons 2. potts 1 wheele 1. p of cards 1.
>plates 5. spoons 1 Loom 2 Hoes 2 cows & calves 1 year old bull 1. Two year
>old Heiffer running at Wm Lees 2. bed steads 19 head of hoggs young & olds
>1 plow from ?Lluck??
>February y. 18th, 1741 Samll Williams

---------------

Now you will note the date above date is 1741....and other evidence
indicates the George Woodlief who was married to Nora Eppes died ca 1743,
with a will of one George Woodlief presented in Prince George Co. June
1743 by John Eppes and John Woodlief, executors...???!!!!

I believe this gives rise to the question of relationships.....since, to
date, no one seems to have identified WHO the George in Edgecombe County
was!! Is it not as likely that the men on the Granville muster roll descend
from the George of Edgecombe, as it is that they descend from George + Nora
Eppes?? Or....could this just be an "extra" generation inserted?? OR, could
some descend from one and some from the other??
*Many* more questions than answers!!

*Meanwhile*......back up in *early* VA......from Cavaliers and Pioneers,
Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, Volume II, 1666 - 1695", by
Nell Marion Nugent......
there are TWO references to headrights for a MARTIN Woodlief.....(and there
is *great* question here as to whether these are two DIFFERENT Martin
Woodliefs, or whether this is the same Martin, who came, went *back* to
Engl, and then *returned) BUT.....the point is, regardless of whether there
are one or two Martins....there is NO "Martin" Woodlief accounted for (that
I can find) in any of the previous Woodlief research......and NO indication
whether Martin had any relationship to Capt. John Woodlief or not!!
First reference:
>There is a Martin WOODLIFFE apprearing as a headright in the patent of
>Alexander Fleming, 2750 acs. in the freshes of Rappa. Co.,, 17 April 1667,
>p. 62. Also appearing as headrights are, Rich PARKER, Mary Hunt, Daniell
>PARKER, among others.

Second reference:
>Martin WOODLIFFE - one of the headrights in a patent of - Will Drummond,
>Gent., 4750 acs., Westmorland Co., 20 Sept. 1661, p. 326. Beg a mile from
>the Nominy Riv., S. & Wly. & on the back of land belonging to Jno. Wood.
>Trans. of 95 pers: Samll Howard, Jno. Thompson, Wm. Cooke, Eliz. Smith, Jno.
>Warren, Fran. James, Richd. Harma, Jno. Cotton, An Dunbar, Wm. Worden, Marg.
>Rowlings, Geo. Howkett, Samll. Harford, Robt, Floring, Jno. Greene, Tho.
>Wood, RICH. PARKER, Fran. Willis, Henry Mills, Alice Potter, MARY HUNT,
>Daniell Wms. (Williams), Dennis Shorpe, James Adkins, Jno. Poore, James Man,
>Erasmus Pewry (or Penry), Mary Smith, Wm. Cooke, Lawrence Hooker, Saml.
>Welch, Dennid Watkins, Danll, Dickins, Michaell Wadloe, Nich Spruce, Mary
>Spruce, Henrick Vandulett, Robt. Surlin, Elinor Woodbridge, James Bruce,
>Henry Sand (or Sanders), Silvest Thacker, Dorothy Thacker, Jno. Deane, Wm.
>Hope, Francis Jones, Jno. Worlech, Nath. Spencer, Rich. Spicor, Mathew
>Haines, Wm. Thompson, Jane Salter, Mary Wood, DANIELL PARKER, Walter Wms.
>(Williams), Gartred Sparkes, Francis Spie, MARTIN WOODLIFFE, Robt. Savin,
>Rich. Palmer, Samll Davis, Tho. Portman, Nich. Smart, Danll Wills, Rich.
>Forrest, Jno. Roak (?), Jane Wallis, Tim Saltir, Robt. Datrill, Phill
>Woodford, Wm. Garrett, Tho. Johnson, Ralph Mathew, Henry Betts, Mary
>Bateman, 8 negroes, Robt. Serly, Davy Darlins, Roger Armes, Jno. Huger (or
>Hager), Tho. Keiton

Troubling is the location of these counties and the repetition of names in
both entries....leading you to think this could be the *same* .... BUT, two
different names are shown in the patents....Alexander Fleming inthe first,
then Will Drummond in the second??? Hmmmmm.......

Regardless, we are left with the question of *who* this Martin was....and
how he does or does not fit into the VA Woodlief lines!!

Meanwhile, closer to home.....my own Woodlief lines are safely "proved"
back to Charles Woodlief (b ca 1818) + Sallie Green Merritt.

Unfortuately, I've only been able to DISprove, rather than prove, backward
from this point.
Blackley and Kerman had listed Charles' father as likely a Thomas Woodlief
who was believed to have married twice....first to _____?? Overton (with
all children being of this first marriage)....and second to a Lucy Leithia
Parrish.
However, this does not seem to be the case, as the Thomas Woodlief, who
married (17 Dec 1844 in Granville Co) to Leithia Parrish, is now known (via
ages listed in censuses and Civil War records) to be born ca 1824.....some
six years AFTER Charles!!!

This Thomas turns out to be Thomas D. Woodlief, who is buried in the Civil
War Soldiers section of Oakwood Cemetery in Raleigh!
Through the help of one of Thomas D.'s descendants, we have believe we have
proven that my Charles, Thomas D. and John Osborne Woodlief (b 1816), were
in fact, brothers. No doubt, there were other siblings...and some may be
the very ones listed as siblings by previous research. We are just being
*very* cautious here in listing anyone till we can *prove* them!!

We *do* suspect the father of John O., Charles and Thomas D. may have been
named "Thomas." But at this point, we cannot identify which Thomas this may
have been. Most all Woodliefs seem to have wound up in Bute Co (when it was
formed in 1754 from Granville) and subsequently in Franklin Co, when Bute
was abolished in 1779 to form Franklin and Warren. John O. Woodlief, and
Thomas D. wound up moving southward into Wake Co...while my Charles
remained *just* over the line in Franklin with his nephew (John O.'s son),
Dawson B. Woodlief)

I personally think it's quite possible the presumption of the
aforementioned "Granville men" as *brothers* may be incorrect....thereby
altering the previously-believed "structure" of the North Carolina Woodlief
family tree. Perhaps one or more of those four men represent father/son
relationships....??

Much of what we have discovered to date is detailed on my website for easy
reference, should this be of any interest or assistance to you. Direct link
to the Woodlief pages is
http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/woodlief/index.html

Meanwhile, I appreciate your considering this information as you continue
your own research, and would greatly appreciate your keeping me abreast
should you discover additional information.

My best regards to you all,
Sandy Hoyle Bolick

--
email: sandyhb@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~sandyhb/
>
Jenkins, Richards, Hocking: Illogan, Cornwall>NC USA;
Hoyle: Notts, Engl > NC USA;
Bolick, Parker, Woodlief: VA/NC USA
>		02/09/1998 9:35:22
How to Preserve Genealogical RecordsFor those of you who do not subscribe to Mr. Ragan's "Treasure Maps" monthly
e-zine, I am copying below an article on steps to take to insure and preserve
your genealogical information. Mr. Ragan gets a tad carried away with himself
from time to time but I thought this was an otherwise fine article that some
of you might be interested in.

Best, Maynard

>

-- The Solution: 4 Sure Ways to Prevent Information Loss --

These are VERY easy to do and should not take up too much of your
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As I look at it - I can only imagine the countless hours of time that she
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We are so fortunate in our day and age to be able to simply push a button

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This is the file format used in exchanging information between genealogy
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You can send computer disks containing your GEDCOM files along with
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disk to show that it contains "GEDCOM files" along with your handwritten
notes.

Note: Almost every good genealogy program will make GEDCOM
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3.) Submit your information to "Ancestral File" and preserve your
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Ancestral File (AF) is a growing database of information submitted by
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Just don't let your hard work be LOST FOREVER!!! If you think about
these things and apply some of these tips and suggestions - this may well be
the most important issue of Treasure Maps that you ever read...		02/09/1998 10:13:33
Woodlief PagesCharles NealAl,

For some reason your message to all saying we might want to view Sandy's
Woodlief page came thru weirdly, in that the words do not "wrap" at all,
like they do on all other messages (including your response to Sandy, and
her message to all).

Also, re whatever you had attached to your couple of sentences about her
Woodlief Pages, CompuServe tells me "Sorry -- A viewer for this format is
not currently available."

??
Ay,
BPN

02/09/1998 10:36:07
URL for locating CountiesThis is a great site for finding the county name for any city in the USA.

http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo

Barbara (BPW)		02/10/1998 4:34:09
FW: John PoythressJames L. PooleHey gang, the following message which Lea Dowd sent out last night
deserves your careful attention. She just may be hot on the trail of
something BIG regarding the early Poythress family. If her
hypothesis is correct, and I can't shake it, then all the early
Poythress histories will have to be rewritten. And if correct, this
could clear up a lot of confusion of relationships that we have
inherited (though it, undoubtedly, will create some new ones).

Lea, for a NON-Poythress, this is good! Maybe we need a few more
non-Poythresses to challenge the assumptions and to critically
re-examine the records.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Lea L. Dowd [SMTP:lea@gnat.net]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 9:03 PM
To: 'POYTHRESS List'
Subject: Re: John Poythress

The records are available in Prince George Co., VA to solve this
problem.

1. Charles City Co., VA, Ct Rec 1688-1695 P. 193 4 Feb 1688/89
Suit of John Poythress as marrying Xtian, daughter of Eliza. Peebles
vs
Tho. Busby, referred to next court. That John Poythress died before
11 Dec
1712 (Prince George Co., VA, W & D Bk 1710-1713 P. 175) and names his
wife
Christian. So this John married Christian Peebles before 4 Feb
1688-89. He
also names "my two brothers Thomas and Joshua Wynn and William
Stainback to
divide my estate".

So, I would have to say that THIS John is the son of Francis
Poythress and
Mary (?) Wynn (who m. secondly Robert Wynn).

Prince George Co., VA W & D 1710-1713 P. 175. No date/11 Dec 1712
John Poythress:
Son Francis all land & plantation that I live on; Son David 300A at
Funnastorah; Son Joshua 300A at Monkasaneck; son Robert 300A at
Indian
Swamp also 50A on lower side of Idian Swamp which he is not to sell;
son
Francis 2 Negroes Coffer and Side; son David 2 Negroes Jack and Young
Mary;
son Joshua 2 Negroes Petter and Beck; son Robert 2 Negroes Tom and
Young
Sarah; son William 3 Negroes Frank Cook and Ame and Frank Cook at
Nattuah;
son John 2 Negroes Bess and Nanny; son Peter 2 Negroes Benn and
Nanny; wife
Christian 3 negroes Cato, Usse and Sarah; daughter Christian Poythres
2
Negroes Moll and John Cook; wife Christian my servant John Feild
during his
time; daughter Mary Woodlief L40; grandson Francis Poythres, son of
Francis
the Negroe child that Shu goes with; wife Christian 2 Negroes Shu and
Jude
to be at her disposal. Exrs: wife and son John. I appoint my two
brothers,
Thomas and Joshua Wynne and William Stainback to be dividers of my
estate.
Signed John (I) Poythres. Wit: Jno. Winninham, Pet'r Lath, Tho.
Leeth,
William Stainback.
11 Dec 1712, proved by oath of John Winningham, Peter Leigh and
William
Stainback and probate granted to John Poythres and Christian
Poythres.

2. Mary Batte is named in the will of her brother Henry Batte (W&D
1713-1728 Pr. Geo. Co., VA P. 1042) as "sister Mary Poythress. That
will
was dated 25 July 1722 and recorded 10 Oct 1727.

Now I would like to offer a hypothesis for all to consider...... I
personally "think" (and I mean think as I am NOT a Poythress) that
the John
Poythress that died in 1724 is the son of John and Christian. I
personally
have found NO proof for a John, William and Thomas Poythress as sons
of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. I THINK that this comes as an
assumption....

Prince George Co., VA W&D 1713-1728, P. 706. No date/ Rec. 12 May
1724.
John Poythress of Martins Brandon Parish
Son John plantation where I now live 100A also 100A called Colebrook
adj.
Jugh Evans, Walter Stainback, also a tract S side of main branch of
Blackwater Swamp, not debarring my brothers Francis and William
Poythress
from getting timber for their plantation use; son Francis land at
place
called The Brick Chimneys next to my son John and brother Thomas.
(NOTE: He
is called brother Thomas.... (Could this be Thomas WYNN/WYNNE????),
if John
dies before age 21 my son William to get it; two sons John and
Francis 280A
next to Thomas Poythress (his Uncle???), John Young, Darrell Young
and John
Winningham to be equally divided; son William 150A next to Thomas
Poythress
& Thomas Lovesay formerly called Powells, to go to son John if
William dies
before age 21; wife Mary; Dau Rebecca Poythress 1 Negroe; dau
Elizabeth
Poythress same. Ex: Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. Wit: Francis
Epes,
Jr., William Stainback, John Winningham.

Note the John Winningham and William Stainback appearing on both
wills.
This second John died abt 12 years after the first. The second had
young
sons.

3. The land Powells was SOLD to John Poythress JR by Francis
Poythress on 8
Nov 1720 (PG Co. W & D 1713-1728 P. 425) for L10. It describes the
property just as the will does. IF it was his son, I don't think he
would
have been called JR by his father as John SR was already dead by
1720.

4. I cannot seperate NOR find 2 differrent Thomas Poythresses in the
records NOR come up with an extra will for a John Poythress with a
wife
Mary. Nor can I find proof of Francis, II having any children other
than
Francis and Rebecca Poythress Pace.

I would appreciate any feedback on this....

Thanks,
Lea

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The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		02/10/1998 5:49:56
2-11-98 re James Poythress InquiryCharles NealSarah,

As Lyn Baird mentioned, I am indeed descended from James Edward Poythress,
and can fill you in on MANY of his other descendants, though I regret I
don't know the names of all of them. (Perhaps you are one?)

I would dearly LOVE to hear what you know or have seen that indicates that
James Edward Poythress (JEP) is the son of Lewis. That is a point I really
would like to pin down.

Looking forward to hearing back from you, and will be glad to share JEP
info with you.

Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com

02/11/1998 10:57:51
Antrim ParishMurphyCan anyone in the well-informed Poythress family tell me what VA
counties were involved in Antrim Parish? Thank you. Hazel

02/12/1998 2:38:51
Re: Antrim ParishCraig R. ScottAccording to _Parish Lines Diocese of Southwestern Virginia_ Antrim Parish
was formed in 1752 when the county of Lunenburg was divided and the county
of Hailifax was formed. The parish of Cumberland was divided at the same
time and Antrim Parish was created. The new parish covered the entire county
of Halifax.

Craig

At 01:38 PM 2/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Can anyone in the well-informed Poythress family tell me what VA
>counties were involved in Antrim Parish? Thank you. Hazel
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Come visit.		02/12/1998 8:29:38
AntrimMurphyThanks Crait for info on Antrim Parish. I do have a Parish Lines map but
must not be the whole thing as Antrim is not on it.

For anyone who wants this: Lunenburg County Virginia Deed Books 1 - 16
(1746 - 1759) shows a deed for John Poythress in F:73 and Thomas
Poythress in D:82. This is only the index. No deeds given here. Thanks
again. Hazel		02/13/1998 6:46:06
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Unidentified subject!Sarah PoythressHi! Everyone,

My Name is Sarah Poythress.

This is all new to me but I am going to give it my best.

Sarah
02/15/1998 9:26:06
Sarah Poythress IntroductionAlbert R. TimsHi! Everyone,

My name is Sarah R. Poythress.

I am just getting started on tracing our roots. I have some second hand information. I want to check it out for myself before I really commit to anything.

I am looking for John Lewis (Louis) Poythress (1827-1905) married Tabitha Ann Nunn (1834) born probably Granville, Franklin, Warren, NC or Mecklenburg County, VA.

Vance County was not formed until 1881. This is why burial places seem so strange to so many out there. Since I live in Vance County I hope I will be able to clear this up.

Sarah		02/15/1998 9:39:04
Re: URL for locating CountiesBarbara, I'm impressed. In Brunswick Co., Va., it located incorporated
towns (Lawrenceville, Brodnax), rural post offices (White Plains,
Gasburg) and even former towns (Merchant, Ankum, Gholsonville, Bowers
Corner, Adsit). Some of these places are only in history, not even a
sign left to mark the spot.

It's not bulletproof, though. It could not find Charlie Hope, Smokey
Ordinary or St. Tammany. The last I can well understand, since the last
citizen of St. Tammany died in the 1870's. However, I would have
expected anything that could find Merchant would have been able to find
Charlie Hope. Maybe I'm misspelling it. Anyway, thanks for remembering
us.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:34:09 EST Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>This is a great site for finding the county name for any city in the
>USA.
>
>http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo
>
>
>Barbara (BPW)
>
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Joshua E & Joseph S Poythress - Brothers?Charles Neal2-17-98

Dear Ray & Elvin Poythress (with copy to Poythress List, and to Sarah
Poythress),

I hope you two have been well, there in Franklin Co, NC, since last we
communicated (was it really in July 1996 e-mail?) Hopefully Bud Poythress
has been in touch more recently than I. (NOTE TO BUD: In case I do not
have the correct address above for C. Raymond & Elvin Poythress, would you
please let me know if you have a different one? Thanks)

I was recollected that I should try to get in touch with you two, Ray &
Elvin, thanks to a recent message from Sarah Poythress (Mrs. Elwood "Dale"
Poythress), because it seems to me, Ray, that your grandfather (Joshua E.
Poythress, b. 6 April 1854, d. 24 Dec 1910, who is buried not far from
Cedar Rock Baptist Church, about 10 miles up Road 56N from Louisburg, in
Franklin Co, NC) may be the brother of her husband's grandfather, who she
reports to be Joseph S. Poythress (who lived 1869-1911, and who was
reportedly married to Lucy Stainback, who lived 1873-1957, and who had 11
children).

I recalled, Ray, that you had said that your grandfather Joshua E. had
brothers Joseph, who made his home in Gillberg, a small community near
Henderson, NC; and John, who moved to Texas.

Could your grandfather's brother Joseph be the same Joseph S. who Sarah
listed?

In case this helps determine that, Sarah listed one of the 11 children of
Joseph S. Poythress: Joseph Ashton Poythress (who lived 1903-1974, and who
married Verla Jacobs, who lived 1906-1985, and who had 6 children)

Surely would appreciate hearing any thoughts or further info you might have
on this. Hope this finds you and yours all doing well.

Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
OR if you prefer the numerical version of address to the same mailbox:
73622.2543@compuserve.com		02/17/1998 1:39:55
2-17-98 Ben Edward Poythress Jr.Charles NealSome of you have previously heard mention from me, of my Dad's first cousin
Ben Edward Poythress, Jr. who copied, back in August of 1938 with a quill
pen, the then-deteriorating Family Bible-type Record for the James Edward
Poythress and the Joshua Preston families, attempting to duplicate the old
handwriting of the original. Thank goodness he copied it then, because
the original was completely gone by the time I became interested in the
family history.

Ben was celebrating his 18th birthday when he worked on that. (Copies of
the record are at Library of Virginia; the Virginia Historical Society
Library; and Meridian, Mississippi's Lauderdale County Dept of Archives &
History; and soon to be up on our Poythress website)

I was saddened to learn this evening from his wife that Ben (age 77) died
on Sunday Feb. 8th in Petersburg (his home since 1957) and was buried in
Prince George Counry, VA. He was a veteran of World War II, serving in the
16th Photo Intelligence Detachment, Far East Air Forces, in New Guinea and
the Philippines. I re-met him about five years ago, about the time my
husband & I were transferred to Los Angeles from Washington, DC, though Ben
recalled knowing me when I was a toddler visiting the family in Meridian,
Mississippi (his hometown).

He was a delightful man, and did a wonderful service for so many Poythress
family researchers that August almost 60 years ago, when he copied by hand
that old family record. I'm so glad this hobby/passion led me to get to
know him and to visit them as often as I could during these last five
years.

Barbara Poythress Neal		02/17/1998 10:00:53
Joshua & Joseph Poythress ConnectionCharles NealCopied here from a message Sarah just sent to me.

BPN
>>

From: "Sarah Poythress"
To: "Charles Neal"
Subject: Re: Joshua E & Joseph S Poythress - Brothers?
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:21:58 -0500

Barbara,

I was very excited over your e-mail. I looked in my phone book for Ray &
Elvin Poythress in Louisburg & Franklinton, but there was no listing. I
need a town or e-mail address, so I can get in touch withone of them.

I think we have a match. I have John Lewis Poythress b. 29 Aug. 1829, d. 27
Feb. 1905 he married Tabathia "Ann" Nunn b. 1834, d.?
They had the following children:
< Joshua E. Poythress (1856) married Betty Elizabeth Wester (1853)
< John William Poythress married Eva A. Joyner
< Joseph Sidney Poythress b. 19 Sept. d. 8 Dec. 1911 married Lucy
Eva Malvina Stainback (1873) d. 8 Dec. 1957 (My husband's
grandparents)
< Alice Oliver Poythress married Paul Gupton
< Fannie Courtney Poythress married Doc Gupton
< Anna Poythress married Richard (Charles?)Bartholomew
< Virginia Louise Poythress married Ambrose Gupton "Pompey
< Pattie G. Poythress married Eugene Stainback
< Artellia "Tealy" Poythress married a cousin ?
< Molly Poythress married George Corroll
< I am missing one girl

Joshua E. & "Betsy"s children:
< John William
< Ernest F.
< George W.
< Martha A.
< Rufus H.
< Eva A.
< Carice S.
< Annie E.
< Nona L.

This is the information I have. I confirmed down to Joshua's children (by
John Lewis & Tabathia Ann's family member Joyce Clark in Oxford, NC last
night. I hope Joshua's will be confirmed by Ray & Elvin.

If you will get me your address I will send you all the names I have. It
will be to much to put in e-mail.

Send this on to anyone it will help. It takes me a long time to get a
message in as I am no typist.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Sarah Poythress		02/17/1998 11:07:37
Braxton PoythressCharles NealSarah Poythress wrote & said I should "pass this on"
(And Charles is better, but still really feels his digestive process
working.

BPN
>>

From: "Sarah Poythress"
To: "Charles Neal"
Subject: Re: Joshua E & Joseph S Poythress - Brothers?
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:55:23 -0500

Barbara I forgot to let you know that Braxton Poythress is my husband's
first cousin & his wife is my sister.

You maybe hearing from him . I think I have gotten him interested again.

I hope your husband is doing better. Did they find out what his trouble
was? I will be praying for him.		02/17/1998 11:07:40
Re: Joshua E & Joseph S Poythress - Brothers?Charles NealSarah,

The only e-mail address for them is the one I had on the message to them,
which should be at the top of your copy of it: HMCM28@aol.com They live
in Zebulon, NC, about 15 miles out from Louisburg. And his name is Claude
Raymond Poythress (so he may be listed as C.R. Poythress) though he goes by
Raymond. His younger brother is Leon Douglas Poythress, who lives about 15
miles the opposite direction out from Louisburg that Raymond lives. If you
talk with either Raymond or Elvin, please give them my fondest regards. I
do hope they are in good health.

Yes, please do send me a photocopy of all the others you have. My
"snail-mail" address is:
P. O. Box 241429
Los Angeles, CA 90024-9229

I'll be glad to reimburse you for the cost of copies and postage, if you'll
let me know how much it is.

Maybe Joyce Clark, the descendant you talked with, has some idea of where
John Lewis Poythress and Tabitha Nunn's marriage took place? Sure hope so.

This is exciting. I am forwarding copies to the Poythress-List for you,
though if you haven't already signed on to the List, you should. It's
important to send some of this good news to the entire Poythress-List,
because I know others will find it interesting too, and I think some of our
other List-members are related to these folks.

Hopefully, Al Tims, our List-master will refresh us on how you join the
List. (By joining the Poythress-List, you get in touch with several dozen
Poythress researchers at once, and you benefit from the information they
share from their research.)

Barbara Poythress Neal
( or BPN, to distinguish me from Barbara Poythress Wolfe, or BPW, who is
also related & on the List)		02/17/1998 11:07:44
Re: URL for locating CountiesYes, Lea, knowing where Smokey Ordinary is/was has helped me often in
interpreting 18th-century Brunswick deeds. I'm sure you have seen the
references as well, "...on the road to the smoky ordinary..." and such.
As you may know, Smokey Ordinary was not only an 18th-century tavern, but
also a post office (into the 20th century?). It was this post office
that the County Locator failed to find at my prompting.

I have not been over in that part of the county in years. I'll need to
swing by some time and read the marker.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:45:19 -0500 "Lea L. Dowd" writes:
>Lyn,
>
>Smokey Ordinary was an ordinary in Brunswick Co. There is a
>historical
>marker there now. (at least in 1996). Went by there as many of my
>families
>lived around it.
>
>Hope that this helps,
>Lea
>
>

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Lanier Family in Brunswick Co.Carol, as we have knocked about in Brunswick records, I have for several years
noted the appearance of the Lanier family from time to time. As a Georgian,
one always wonders if a particular Lanier was an ancestor of Sidney Lanier the
poet, for whom I have had a lifelong fondness. This is not to imply that the
name Lanier is particularly rare, in either Virginia or Georgia. Knowing
that, I haven't even raised the issue.

Sidney Lanier is something like Robert Burns in that if a state is going to
have only one poet of substance, its nice to have a heavy hitter. Still, this
man is not exactly a household name so if anyone would like more details I
will be happy to provide comments and references. Confederate soldiers, even
privates and poets, don't get much press in politically correct academia
today.

At any rate, and this is the nub, a friend gave me a book of Lanier letters
and I'm copying below the pertinent parts of a letter from Lanier to his
father in Macon written 6 May 1879 at Baltimore:

"I send you an account of our old ancestor (as I suppose) Nicholas Lanier, and
many of his descendants, about whom I had accumulated many notes, and whose
history I wished to place before myself in the compact form of print*. It is
a curious circumstance that I found, only a few days ago, the name of Nicholas
Lanier among a list of the vestrymen of a church in Brunswick County,
Virginia, given by Bishop Meade in his work on the "Old Churches and Families
of Virginia". It seems probable that this Nicholas points back to the elder
one and constitutes the link between him and us".

* The footnote referenced above says: "Lanier sent his father a literary
'letter' addressed to J. F. D. Lanier, dated April 2, 1879, privately printed
as a supplement to the second edition of the 'Sketch of the Life of J. F. D.
Lanier' , the pages numbered in continuation of that book (VI, 361)."

The footnote loses me since I am not familiar with either J. F. D. Lanier or
"that book" referred to. I will take a guess that it is volume VI of a thirty
volume collection of Lanier's lifelong letters, collections, poems, composed
music, etc. Where would one come by the thirty volume set to look ? Well,
for sure in the library of Johns Hopkins (Lanier had the chair of first flute
for the Baltimore Symphony), for sure in the library of the University of
Cincinnati where the world's resident Lanier expert teaches, and perhaps
somewhere close to that collection of "Southern Historical Papers" at UNC.

I realize that this post may be of slight interest, perhaps even to Laniers
inasmuch
as no living Brunswick Countain would be a direct ancestor of Lanier...and at
the most a distant cousin several generations removed.

However, since Lanier was a bona fide scholar of considerable standing in his
day,
the fact that some of his "accumulated many notes" on Brunswick County
genealogy are tucked away in this really obscure location just might be of
interest if you have any Laniers you are working with.

Best,

Maynard		02/19/1998 4:34:10
Burke County, Ga.In addition to the Georgia Rootsweb server, Burke County now has a site of its
own.

To subscribe send GABURKE-L-REQUEST
In body of message put Subscribe only and turn off all tag lines.

Just thought I'd mention it in case someone has an interest. I figured it to
be a long shot for interested folks to audit yet another list so I'll be
auditing this one for our
Poythress crowd.....just sharing the address in case.

Best,

Maynard

02/19/1998 6:08:29
FTM CD # 226Charles NealSorry, don't have it or any access to it. Sure will be curious to hear
about the 2 though.

BPN		02/19/1998 10:45:01
FTM CD # 226This particular disk is Marriages of Georgia 1754-1850. It has two on it that
we don't have: William and George.

The edition of Fam. Tree Maker disk # 226 at the Georgia Archives is
apparently an
old edition as it does not have these two men and marriage details.

Anybody have FTM CD # 226 or a "look-up" way to get the information on just
these two marriages?

Thanks,

Maynard		02/19/1998 11:18:43
BF, and BA, etc.Hey, Lyn, Hazel is ringing your door bell.

And for all us slow learners, would you please spell out ever so simply the
contents of your Junior G-Man Secret Decoder Ring just one more time ? 🙂 🙂
You all are losing me and I've seen it before. At least Hazel has an excuse.

Thanks,

Maynard

02/20/1998 4:35:07
Feedback on John PoythressFirst, Lea, I want to congratulate you on basing your analysis on PRIMARY
SOURCE MATERIALS. Even though I have done some study of the Batte
research, I am a BIG proponent of working the primary materials. In my
opinion, the only fair use of a secondary material is to guide us to and
provoke us concerning primary materials.

Having taken this position, I will now admit that all my remarks and
questions center around what I know of the Batte materials. This is
because I am unread and unlearned on the pre-nineteenth-century Poythress
family. My remarks and questions are thoroughly non-authoritative and
derive from my scant points of contact and familiarity:

1) Lea's question and hypothesis: In the context of Mr. Batte's
notation, I understand Lea to be addressing this question: "Did a John
Poythress (P-1)DC exist?" Then this would be my understanding of Lea's
hypothesis: "There was no John Poythress (P-1)DC. The husband of Mary
Batte and the person who devised the will proved 1724 was one and the
same John Poythress (P-1)BF."

2) Father of (P-1)BFA: If Lea's hypothesis were correct, then where does
Thomas Poythress "of Martin Brandon" (P-1)BFA fit? Who is his father?
He certainly does not show as an heir in the 1724 will.

3) The Brunswick Patent: A 225 acre patent in Brunswick County was
granted to a Captain John Poythress in 1727. In this hypothesis BF would
be dead and DC never existed. So who is this person? John, son of
(P-1)BF? But is not this younger John a minor in 1724 per the cited
will? Did he become a captain and patentee so young? This same land was
sold in 1773, apparently by Thomas Poythress "of Martin Brandon"
(P-1)BFA. Batte apparently believed father acquired and son disposed.

4) Apparent Batte discrepancies: My reading of the Batte cards would
indicate that he does not account for three named heirs of John Poythress
(P-1)B as cited in the 1712 will: son Francis, grandson Francis and
daughter Mary Woodlief. It would appear Mr. Batte either a) was
careless, b) was unfamiliar with the earlier will, or c) was familiar
with the will, but interpreted its relations in non-obvious ways based on
other knowledge. On his (P-1)DC card, he marks "W1", his source code for
Prince George wills. On his (P-1)B card, no will reference is present.

5) Junior?: On the back of his John Poythress (P-1)DC card (LVA #89),
Batte remarks this fellow is called "Jr" in the 1704 Prince George quit
rent rolls. If in that time "Jr" ever meant what it does today, son of
person of same name, this would lend support to the hypothesis and
against Mr. Batte.

6) Boddie: On all three John Poythress cards concerned - B, BF and DC -
Batte marks "P96", his source code for Boddie's Historical Southern
Families Vol. IV. How much did Mr. Batte rely on and emulate Boddie?

7) Which Francis?: Which Francis is the grantor in the 1720 deed of
Powells to John Poythress? According to Mr. Batte, "Major" Francis
Poythress (P-1)D died ca. 1688, so would not have been available for a
1720 sale. Would this have been his son Francis Poythress "of Surry"
(P-1)DA? If this were the case, he would be selling either to a brother
(DC - if Mr. Batte is correct), to a first cousin (BF - if Lea's
hypothesis is correct).

More than enough from me for now....

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Louis PoythressCraig R. ScottI found a few things that might connect to Sarah, our most recent convert.

Louis
James Poythress, b. 1805 Mecklenburg Co., m. Catherine
John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 August 1829, d. 27 Feb 1905 m. Tabitha Ann Nunn
Joseph S. Poythress, b. 19 Sep 1869, d. 3 Dec ___ m. Lucy Stainback
Poythress, b. 21 Sep 1873
they had:

Willie O. Poythress, b. 17 Mar 1892
Lewis Bunyon Poythress, b. 27 Dec 1894
George Clinton Poythress, b. 24 May 1897
Arthur H. Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1898
Thomas C. Poythress, b. 30 Aug 1900
Ashton J. Poythress, b. 21 Feb 1902
Elizabeth A. Poythress, b. 3 Dec 1903
Clyde Lee Poythress, b. 9 Aug 1905
Phillip B. Poythress, b. 1 Apr 1097
Alma Poythress, b. 9 May 1909
Doris D. Poythress, b. 15 Jun 1911

There is a Jno. L. Poythress in the 1880 Census living in Louisburg, NC with:

T. Ann 42 NC
Fanny 16 VA
John W. 13 NC
Joseph S. 11 NC
Otelia M. 9 NC
Alice O. 5 NC
Mary G. 2 NC
also in the household is Virginia Dickerson, a daughter (?), 21 Va.

There is a John Poythress in the 1900 Census living in Franklin County, N.C.
who is reported to be born in August 1827 in Va. He has:

Wife Bitha b. Oct 1834 in Va.
Otelia b. Apr 1872 NC
Pattie b. Jun 1881 NC

Franklin County Poythress Marriages from the Courthouse Register:

Joshua E. 21 Bettie Ann Wester 20
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
(b) 2/22/1877 (m) 2/25/77
J. L. Poythress at Jane Wester's
T. A. Poythress

[anybody see him in the 1880 list]

J. W. 22 Eva A. Joyner 21
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
(b) 12/17/88 (m) 12/25/88
J. L. Poythress at Ed Joyner's
T. A. Poythress

J. B. 22 Otelia M. Poythress
Orange Co. Franklin Co.
(b) 12/29/91 (m) 1/2/92
G. Poythress John L. Poythress
Ann Poythress

Jno. W. 23 Annie Southell 22
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
10/29/1901 10/29/1901
John Poythress
Bette Poythress

E. F. 23 Lizzie Collins 18
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
12/19/1903 12/26/1903
E. Poythress
Betti H. Poythress

G.W. 23 Maude Tucker
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
12/21/1907 12/25/1907
J. E. Poythress
Betti Poythress

J. W. 37 Mylal Young
Franklin Co. Franklin Co.
11/26/1913 11/26/1913
Joshua Poythress
Bettie Poythress

R. H. 31 E. P. Harper
Louisburg, NC Franklin Co.
12/22/1917 12/25/1917
J. E. Poythress
Eunice Harper

Raymond 22 Elvin Pearce 18
of Va. Franklin Co.
12/24/1941 12/24/1941
J. W. Poythress
Mollie Poythress

Forrest 31 Thelma Tharrington 21
12/15/1945

I also have a list of births from the courthouse for 1914 to 1940
and a list of deaths from 1920 to 1971 if anyone is interested.

Craig

>

-----
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		02/20/1998 6:57:04
Re: Feedback on John PoythressCraig R. Scott>2) Father of (P-1)BFA: If Lea's hypothesis were correct, then where does
>Thomas Poythress "of Martin Brandon" (P-1)BFA fit? Who is his father?
>He certainly does not show as an heir in the 1724 will.

Just a comment on colonial period wills. The oldest son, because of
primigeniture, is sometimes not include in a will. The absense of a name in
a will is not sufficient to bar a person from belonging to that family.
Finding them in the will of another family of the same surname, now there
would be reason.
>
>5) Junior?: On the back of his John Poythress (P-1)DC card (LVA #89),
>Batte remarks this fellow is called "Jr" in the 1704 Prince George quit
>rent rolls. If in that time "Jr" ever meant what it does today, son of
>person of same name, this would lend support to the hypothesis and
>against Mr. Batte.

Another comment, which we have covered before. Junior means pretty much
nothing other than younger in the community. The death of an uncle can
result in a jr. becoming a Senr.
>
>7) Which Francis?: Which Francis is the grantor in the 1720 deed of
>Powells to John Poythress? According to Mr. Batte, "Major" Francis
>Poythress (P-1)D died ca. 1688, so would not have been available for a
>1720 sale. Would this have been his son Francis Poythress "of Surry"
>(P-1)DA? If this were the case, he would be selling either to a brother
>(DC - if Mr. Batte is correct), to a first cousin (BF - if Lea's
>hypothesis is correct).
>
If DC and BF are two different people and there is thought to be land for
each of them then that land had to be disposed of in some way. The way to
determine if these are the same person is to know their children and how the
land desposed.

Craig

>

-----
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		02/20/1998 6:57:05
John PoythressMurphyI know I came late to the dining table; so, please explain the codes
(P-l)DC, (P-l)BF and (P-l)BFA. That way, I will know which Johns you are
referring to. Thanks much for education. Hazel

02/20/1998 9:55:34
Re: URL for locating CountiesLea L. DowdLyn,

I did not mean to insult you. I was honestly trying to help. Yes, I am
aware that this was not the only ordinary in the area. MY John Hicks BASS
had the ordinary down on Pea Creek next to Eaton's Ferry. Somewhere I saw
it referred to as Burnt Ordinary, but am not sure that they really meant
his ordinary. If someone can answer this, I would love to know.... However,
I had to chuckle, Burnt and Smokey Ordinaries. That was really cute.

If I get back there this summer as I hope to, I would be more than happy to
copy it and take a photo for you. As a matter of fact, I just may have a
picture. I will have to dig that trip's pictures out and check.

Best,
Lea

02/20/1998 10:38:19
Re FTM CD #226 clarificationCharles NealKathy,

I neglected to clarify in my just-sent message, that the (below-copied)
folks in Craig Scott's message that I was specifically meaning to inquire
about (whether any of their marriages might be listed in your information)
were these from near the beginning of Craig's message. (Craig's WONDERFUL
list from the Franklin Co, NC Poythress Marriages extracted from the
courthouse register, including bond date & marriage date, are complete in
themselves, & I have no need to know whether FTM addresses them.) These
below-listed folks are the same folks that Sarah Poythress listed in the
line she sent me the other day. She commented at that time that she has
not been able to verify the John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn
marriage yet, and she apparently had no location for marriages of their
offspring (at least no location was included in her message) either.

Any help your information might have, would be greatly appreciated. I am
copying Sarah on this message since I don't think she has signed onto the
List yet, to benefit from getting the group-wide messages.

Barbara (BPN)
>>
From Craig's earlier message:
John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 August 1829, d. 27 Feb 1905 m. Tabitha Ann Nunn
Joseph S. Poythress, b. 19 Sep 1869, d. 3 Dec ___ m. Lucy Stainback
Poythress, b. 21 Sep 1873

they had:
Willie O. Poythress, b. 17 Mar 1892
Lewis Bunyon Poythress, b. 27 Dec 1894
George Clinton Poythress, b. 24 May 1897
Arthur H. Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1898
Thomas C. Poythress, b. 30 Aug 1900
Ashton J. Poythress, b. 21 Feb 1902
Elizabeth A. Poythress, b. 3 Dec 1903
Clyde Lee Poythress, b. 9 Aug 1905
Phillip B. Poythress, b. 1 Apr 1097
Alma Poythress, b. 9 May 1909
Doris D. Poythress, b. 15 Jun 1911		02/21/1998 1:41:35
Re Louis PoythressCharles NealCraig,

Re the 1880 Jno L. Poythress Census entry in Louisburg, NC, and re the 1900
John Poythress Census entry in Franklin Co, NC (both of which appear to
have a wife listed who would be consistent with TaBITHA ANN Nunn's name,
and both of which appear to be the elusive John Lewis Poythress):

Thank you so much for this info. Would it be possible to get from you (1)
what age the Jno L Poythress in 1880 had listed, and (2) a page number or
post office listing or other closer description of where within the
Franklin County, NC census listings we could find these 1880 & 1900
listings for ourselves next time any of us are in the vicinity of
microfilms of the county, so we could check out other folks nearby, etc?

Thank you so much for the great listing of all this info & the marriages!

Barbara (BPN)		02/21/1998 1:41:37
RE: Poythress marriages VA & NC; & Stonewall PoythressCharles Neal2-21-98

THANKS to Kathy Maner for the info on the Poythress marriages extracted
from her CD info & sent (listed at bottom, below, since a copy did not go
to the entire List, & I think many Listers will be interested in 1 or more
of the marriages). Some of these, we have seen copies of the original
records from microfilms (thanks to Carol Morrison for some of them
recently).

I was also interested that Kathy included a note that her earliest known
Poythress is Stonewall Beauregard Jackson Leroy Poythress who died in
Alabama, when she does not know. However, she knows that his son Leroy
Preston Poythress was b.4-19-1886 in Orange County, NC and died 4-23-1951
in Laurinburg, Scotland County, NC. He is her husband's great-grandfather.
I have Poythress folks in Alabama beginning in the 1850s, but have never
run across either of these names at all. Do any of you other Listers
recognize either of these men & know any more about where or when in
Alabama this Stonewall died?

I remain puzzled about where John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn would
have likely married, and I was sorry to see that apparently none of their
childrens' marriages appear here, either. Again, for benefit of anyone who
might could help on that, those are:
John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 August 1829, d. 27 Feb 1905 m. Tabitha Ann Nunn
Joseph S. Poythress, b. 19 Sep 1869, d. 3 Dec ___ m. Lucy Stainback
Poythress, b. 21 Sep 1873

they had:
Willie O. Poythress, b. 17 Mar 1892
Lewis Bunyon Poythress, b. 27 Dec 1894
George Clinton Poythress, b. 24 May 1897
Arthur H. Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1898
Thomas C. Poythress, b. 30 Aug 1900
Ashton J. Poythress, b. 21 Feb 1902
Elizabeth A. Poythress, b. 3 Dec 1903
Clyde Lee Poythress, b. 9 Aug 1905
Phillip B. Poythress, b. 1 Apr 1097
Alma Poythress, b. 9 May 1909
Doris D. Poythress, b. 15 Jun 1911

Any help on any of the marriages of the above-listed folks would be greatly
appreciated.

Here is Kathy's extracted list of Poythress VA & NC marriages:
> Wm. Poythress m. Ann Lewis 9-27-1785 Bertie , NC
> David or Davis Poythress m. Sally Dorth 3-15-1848 Warren, NC
> Joshua l. Poythress m. Elizabeth J. Crowder 9-30-1852 Warren, NC
> Lewis Poythress m. Patsy (Elizabeth) Giles 12-26-1793 Mecklenburg, VA
> Lewis Poythress m. Rebecca B. Taylor 4-9-1802 Mecklenburg, VA
> Meredith Pythress m. Edith Cleaton 7-14-1781 Mecklenburg, VA
> Wm. Poythress m. Ann Bently 11-10-1802 Mecklenburg, VA
> James Poythress m. Catherine S. Preston 1-29-1828 Brunswick, VA
> Willis Poythress m. Polly Brown 12-15-1822 Brunswick, VA
> David Poythress m. Mary Speed Dortch 12-17-1827 Mecklenburg, VA
> Edward Poythress m. Mahaley Nance 11-2-1828 Mecklenburg, VA
> Lewis Poythress m. Martha E. Walker 7-1-1846 Mecklenburg, VA
> Lewis Y. Poythress m. Mary C. Ferguson 7-20-1846 Mecklenburg, VA
> Hardeman Poythress m. Elizabeth Golder 10-13-1789 Prince George, VA
> William Poythress m. Elizabeth Blair Bland 2-10-1787 Prince George, VA

Thanks to Kathy for above help & looking forward to find out if anyone can
help with either Stonewall Poythress' death or John Lewis Poythress &
Tabitha Ann Nunn's marriage or any of their above-listed childrens'
marriages.

Barbara (BPN)		02/21/1998 2:58:27
Louis PoythressCharles NealCraig,

Great info. I suggest you send the same message directly to Sarah, since I
don't think she has signed on to the P-List, yet.

I for one, would DEFINITELY be interested in the additional, more recent,
births & deaths that you mentioned.

Thanks so much.
Barbara (BPN)

02/21/1998 12:49:21
RE: FTM CD # 226Charles NealKathy Maner & Cliff Townsend,

Thank you both so much for your looking up of the William Poythress &
Sarah Ross marriage, Aug. 8, 1823 in Chatham Co, GA. Appreciate having you
& other folks on the List being willing to contribute help on whatever!

Kathy, does your information have any solid references to any of the
marriages of the NC- area- Poythress folks who were listed in Craig
Scott's message to the List captioned "Louis Poythress" ?

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)		02/21/1998 12:49:23
James P. PoythressBarbara Neal, Martha Dixon, et al... re JPP's Masonic Connections

Martha Dixon put me on this one, I had even read the book and missed the guy.
Martha quoted the book, I guess she figured if I was halfway serious about
Screven County I'd have a copy and I did.

From "Pioneer Days, A History of the Early Years in Screven County" (pg 35)
by Clyde Hollingsworth:

"In 1824 or possibly 1823 the first Masonic Lodge was organized in the County.
It might be worthy of note that Lorenza Dow (a regionally well known Methodist
evangelist) was a Mason and a militant one. About this time attempts were
being made to exclude Masonry from the United States, there being an Anti-
Masonic political party. All over the United States Dow helped organize
lodges so that Masonry might live. The first record of this lodge is taken
from the Grand Lodge records of 1825. This is the first year that they have a
record of a report. The report is from Farmer's Lodge No. 33 of
Jacksonborough, Georgia. The listed officers and membership of the lodge are
as follows: Reuben Wilkinson, W. M.;
Roger McKinney, S. W.; James Gamble, J. W.; George Sharp, Treas.; Seaborn
Goodall, Secretary; Augustus S. Jones, S. D.......[following a list of 15 or
so members] James P. Poythress, E. A.; and James Bryan, Jr."

There are five members listed with "E. A." following their names. Perhaps one
of our Masons on line can tell us what the initials stand for. And would
having that
E. A. "classification" make James P. the type of individual to move to Florida
just to set up a new lodge. Also, virtually all of the names I recall having
seen in one Screven legal document or another which is no particular surprise.

Martha suggests that James P. Poythress was the son of William Poythress
(cousin of George Poythress) by William's first wife, not his second wife
Tabitha Stuart.

MARTHA....I'm mailing you a copy of this and I'm going to lean on some slender
reeds with some conjecture just to see what you and others think. Just
thinking out loud, not trying to make a case but seeing if we can see a
"structure" to put these folks into:

Meredith, Sr. signed marriage bond for Lewis. Does this say brothers? It
sure suggests it strongly to me given the kinfolks shown on other marriage
bonds.

Meredith, Sr. and William registered together for 1805 Land Lottery after
Screven had been cut off from Burke, hereafter William and Meredith, Sr. seem
to show up together very often suggesting brothers. (Maybe it was just because
when Screven got split off from Burke in 1793, Meredith, Sr. and William just
"belonged" to a different court house.)

Meredith, Sr.'s father was Thomas....maybe not Sheriff Thomas but A Thomas,
this is known.

George and Lewis were brothers, this is a known from George's will.

George and Edward are brothers as projected by Martha and from the records
Edward seems to be constantly being bailed out of trouble by George to support
that point.

George and Meredith, Sr. are selling the same land back and forth with the
hint that
George is probably bailing out Meredith, Sr. from time to time. Brothers?

Have I worked myself into a scenario that says these guys were ALL BROTHERS
with MEAPO a much younger little sister?

Should we speculate that we have two Thomas'es....one the father of them all
remaining in Virginia and one Jr. who comes to Burke and is sheriff? (He's
dying awfully young to be going at 1800, isn't he?) ........and is he a
brother too?

I think I have painted myself into a corner here.....

And Martha....one other comment/question: James P. Poythress was doing land
deals in 1814 which says he is an adult by then if nothing else. Thats a
pretty small "window" to be putting 3 generations into (i. e. William >
William, Jr.> James P.) isn't it?.....but NOT if William, Sr. was old enough
to be a Revolutionary Soldier as he so registered for the 1827 lottery. But
in another place, Martha, we say James P. Poythress was son of William who was
brother of George.....wouldn't this 3 generation scenario make it James P.
Poythress son of William who was NEPHEW of George? (not cousin?)

And Francis?....he is over there in Greene County doing his thing....and I'm
tempted to suspect he came to Georgia on his own...he sure doesn't show any
paper linkage to the Burke/Screven crowd.

Confusion is my middle name.

Best,

Maynard		02/22/1998 2:50:55
Sussex Co., VALea L. DowdFYI,

Sussex CO., VA Order Book 1754-1756 P. 348
May 1756
David Hunter, Merchant vs. John Evans alias Batte by petition. Defendant no
inhabitant.

Lea		02/22/1998 9:18:13
RE: Poythress DeedsCharles NealBruce,

THANKS so much.

BPN

02/23/1998 7:27:14
Sussex Co., VACharles NealLea,

THANKS so much

BPN

02/23/1998 7:27:18
James P. PoythressCharles NealMaynard, Martha Dixon, Bud, et al,

THANKS for the find in the Screven Co, GA book of mention of James P.
Poythress' Masonic membership.

Bud, what does "EA" after the fellows' names mean, in the list of Masons?

Thanks,

BPN

02/23/1998 7:27:22
Fwd from Sarah re John Lewis PoythressCharles NealSarah tried to send this message almost 24 hrs ago, and it hasn't shown up
yet, so she sent it to me & I'm forwarding it on. She is now joining the
List.

This is FULL of EXCELLENT info about what turns out to be a huge line of NC
Poythress folks, which line we have needed a sizeable intro into. Since
these folks were in the same general vicinity as a lot of our others, just
on the south side of a river and an artificial VA/NC dividing line, this
may be just what we need.

My own footnote (because even though Sarah's message does not indicate any
parents for [JLP]John Lewis Poythress, it had been speculated that his
father was James Edward Poythress [JEP] who married Catherine Preston): IF
JLP's father was indeed my gggfather, [JEP], and IF JLP's birthdate is
correct below (which I see no reason why it wouldn't be correct), then JLP
was born 9.5 months after JEP's eldest son, Joshua Lewis Poythress was born
on 10 Nov 1828, which of course is certainly possible, and 14 months before
JEP's next child Nathan Francis Poythress was born 18 Oct 1830. What
disturbs me is that JLP was not listed amongst the 8 children on JEP's
Family Bible-type format listing of the entire family. So we should keep
an open mind about who JLP's father and mother were.

Sarah - Can you possibly get photocopies of the obituaries you mention in
your message? If so, I would LOVE to get photocopies of them, and would be
GLAD to reimburse for copying cost & postage & even mileage to go to
Braxton (or whoever) to get the copies made.

BPN
>>>
From Sarah:
To BPN, Lyn, Kathy, Craig, Everyone

First of all, thanks for all the help you have given me. I hope I can add
something that you, all of you, can use.

Information I have confirmed by talking to John & Tabitha "Ann" Poythress'
great grandaughter. She lives in Oxford, NC which is about 12 miles from
where I live in Henderson, NC. She was very helpful. She didn't know dates,
so I got them from other sources.

John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 Aug. 1829, d. 27 Feb. 1905, m. Tabitha Ann
Nunn, b. Oct. 1834. They were married 12 Dec. 1888 in Franklin County. Both
of them are buried at Epsom, NC in New Bethal Church Cemetery off Hwy #39
between Henderson & Louisburg. I understand there are no markers, just
rocks. Braxton Poythress, son of Phillip Bruce Poythress, brother of Joseph
Ashton Poythress, my husband's father married my sister Rachel. Whee!!! Did
you get all of that??
Anyway he has both of their obituaries. They do not give dates or parents.
Sad but true---- Their children 8 boys & 3 girls are as follows:
1) John William Poythress, b. 17 Dec. 1866, d.?, m. Eva A. Joyner, b.
Oct. 1834
in Franklin County, 25 Dec. 1888. I do not have the names of any
children.
2) Joshua E. Poythress, b. 22 Feb. 1856, d.?, m. Betty Ann Wester, b.
1853,
in Franklin County, 25 Feb. 1888. Children later.
3) Joseph Sidney Poythress (my husband, Dale's grandfather), b.19
Sept.1869,
d. 8 Dec. 1911, m. Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback, b. 19 Sept. 1869, d.
8 Dec. 1911
They married 7 May 1890 in Franklin County. They are buried between
Henderson &
Epsom Epsom in the Stainback Family Cemetery. He has a marker but
she doesn't.
Their children later.
4) Fanny Courtney Poythress, b. 1864, m. Doc Gupton
5) Alice Oliver Poythress, b. 1875, m. Paul Guoton
6) Pattie G. Poythress, b. June 1881, m. Eugene Stainback
7) Anna Poythress, m. Richard Charles Bartholomew
8) Virginia Louise Poythress, m. Ambrose Cooper Gupton "Pompey"
9) Molly Poythress, m. George Carrol
10) Artellia "Tealy" Poythress, b. 1872, m. J.B. Poythress (Orange
County)
her cousin. I don't know connection.
11) Mary G. Poythress, b. 1877 Don't know anything else.

Joseph Sidney Poythress & Lucy Stainback Poythress' children:
1) William Oliver Poythress "Willie" , b. 17 March 1892, m. Lessie
Maude Hoyle (1898)
a) John William Poythress "Buck", b.1915, d. 1985

b) Dora Virginia Poythress, b. 1821
c) George Madison Poythress, b. 1923
d) Vivian Hoyle Poythress, b. 1926
e) Bruce Allen Poythress, b. 1928
f) John Clinton Poythress, b. 1931, d.1989
2) Lewis Bunyon "Bunnie" Poythress, b. 27 Dec. 1894, d. 1976 m. Rosa
Ellis
b. 15 Sept. 1917, d. 6 Feb. 1992 Buried Elmwood Cemetery by her
son
Lewis Bunyon Poythress, Jr. "L.B.", b. 2 Dec. 1917, d. 6 Feb. 1995
(Never
married). Two girls Mildred Thomas P. & Evelyn P. are still
living. Bunnie
married Ruby Field Callis, b. 1905, d. 1987 after seperation from
first wife.
They didn't have any children.
3) George Clinton Poythress, b. 24 May 1897, d. 1923, m. Lucy
Elizabeth, (1899-1962)
a) John Lewis Poythress, b, 14 Nov. 1917, d. 3 June 1942, War-
Air F.
b) Lucy Eva Poythress, b. 1919
c) Elizabeth Poythress, b. 1921
d) Clara Evelyn Poythress, b. 1922
e) George Clinton Poythress, b. 1924
4) Arthur Henry Poythress, b. 10 Dec.1898, d, 1947 m. Annie M.
Rogers, (1895-1931)
a) Arthur Henry Poythress, Jr. "Jimmy" (1920-1989)
b) Joseph Cecil Poythress (1922-1923)
c) Ralph Lee Poythress (1923-1991)
Married Louise Spencer Duke, b. 1899, d. 23 Feb. 1945
d) Ann Elizabeth Poythress, b. 1937
e) Arthur Thomas Poythress "Buster", b. 1940, d. 1986
5) Cyrus Thomas Poythress, b. 30 Aug. 1900, d. 1 Sept. 1936, m. Ola
Williams,
b. 17 Sept. 1903, d. 20 Dec. 1986
a) Zera Poythress,(adopted), b, 7 March 1918, d. 21 March
1964
b) Marian Thomas Poythress, b.1823, d. ? Wilmington, NC
c) Irene Poythress, b. 1925, d. ? Vance County
d) George Madison Poythress, (1927-living) Henderson
e) Alice Hyacinth Poythress, b.?. d. 25 Nov. 1928
f) William Young Poythress "Bill", b. 1930, living in Great
Falls, Montana
g) Edwin Braxton Poythress, b. 1931, living in Rocky Mount,
NC
6) Elizabeth Ann "Beth" Poythress, b. 3 Dec. 1903, d. 1984, m. Marion
Oliver Parham
b.1898, d. 1968
a) Joseph Jackson Parham
b) Mildred Lucille Parham - living in Henderson
c) Marion Oliver "Mayland" Parham, Jr.
d) Thomas Edger Parham - living
7) Clyde Lee Poythress, b. 9 Aug. 1905, d. 19 Feb. 1951 m. Mamie
Newton (1906-1970)
No children.
8) Alma Poythress, b. 9 May 1909, d. 1992, m. Alpheus Warren Duke,
Jr. (1904-1982)
a) Maxwell Warren "Max" Duke (1932-1981)
9) Doris Dean Poythress, b. 15 June 1911, d. 22 Jan. 1912
10) Phillip Bruce Poythress, b. 1 April 1907, d, 1973, m. Magnolia
Gupton (1906-1982)
a) Clarence Wilber Poythress (1930-1969) Divorced - No
children
b) Morris Dean Poythress - died as baby
c) Elwood "Braxton" Poythress, b. 30 Dec. 1933 m. my sister
d) Maggie Ferebee Poythress, b. 1939 living
e) Anthony Thomas "Tony" Poythress, b. 1941 living
f) Joseph Sidney Poythress, b. ?, d. 4 Sept. 1932
11) Joseph Ashton Poythress, b. 21 Feb. 1902, d. 30 March 1974, m.
Verla Jacobs, b. 13 Dec1906
d. 8 Sept. 1985
a) Verla Lucille "Dixie" Poythress, 1925 living in Henderson

b) Joseph Carlton Poythress, 1926 living in Henderson
c) Edna Earl Poythress, 1929 living in Middleburg, NC
d) Elwood "Dale" Poythress, 22 Aug. 1930 my husband
e) Tiny Joyce Poythress, 1935 Her husband is the one
working in Saudi Arabia
f) Jerry Clinton Poythress, 1940 living near Middleburg, NC

Hope this will clear up a lot of things for all you Poythresses out there.
It has made one thing clear to me----the reason there is such a puzzle----
they used the same names over & over.

If there are all kinds of errors in my typing & spelling, first of all & am
no good at either & second it is 1:30 AM, so I am beat.

Sarah Poythress		02/23/1998 9:47:06
John Lewis PoythressCharles NealSarah,

The marriage date of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn must be a typo
-- 1888 is before the births of all of the children listed for them. Can
you let us know the correct year, please?

Thanks
BPN		02/23/1998 10:04:59
RE: Poythress DeedsHello All,

Had a chance to look up some stuff at Chesterfield County, VA today but only
about 1/2 hour. I copied the below for anyone that may want to research
further.

Index to Deeds Chesterfield County 1749-1912
Book K-R

pg. 468

mo/day/year Kind Grantor Grantee

1/ 1762 agmt Charles Poythress Catherine
Crawford
9/06/ 1765 B&S Francis Poythress Thomas Walke
2/ 1801 Emancipation Lucy B Poythress slaves 4
2/10/1806 Deed of Gift Lucy B. Poythress Ann Atkinson
8/16/1815 Tax Deed Peter Poythress (shff) John Batte
8/16/1815 Ref Peter Poythress Est See Heirs
5/02/1760 B&S William Poythress Thomas
Dance

Hope this might help someone.

Bruce (Poythress)Porter		02/23/1998 10:25:29
John Lewis PoythressCharles NealI have to quit and get to bed in a minute, but have just gone thru the
first few children of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn, and have a
few more questions: possible typos? If so, would sure appreciate getting
corrections, Sarah. Thanks again for all your effort in typing up this
huge listing.

-- Eva Joyner (wife of their 1st child, John Wm Poythress) is shown as
having birthdate which is the same as her mother-in-law Tabitha's (Oct
1834)

-- Joshua E. Poythress (the 2nd child) is shown as marrying 25 Feb 1888,
yet Craig's extracts from the Marriage Register showed 25 Feb 1877, which
seems more likely.

-- Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback, wife of the 3rd child Joseph Sidney
Poythress, is shown with the exact same dates of birth & death as her
husband (oops?)

-- Since 4th & 8th children in family married folks in the Gupton family,
mightn't the husband of #5 child be Paul Gupton rather than Paul Guoton?

All for tonight. I'm pooped from fighting the rain & mudslides, and
clearing our storm basin again.

BPN		02/23/1998 10:38:15
"That Way, I Will Know Which..."On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:55:34 -0800 Murphy writes:
>I know I came late to the dining table; so, please explain the codes
>(P-l)DC, (P-l)BF and (P-l)BFA. That way, I will know which Johns you
>are
>referring to. Thanks much for education. Hazel
>

Precisely, Hazel! That's just the point. We have enough uncertainty on
this family without the added confusion of differentiating the many Johns
etc. Thus Mr. Batte's coding scheme. Until we listers develop our own
(and we are threatening to do so!), Mr. Batte's is probably the most
familiar scheme available to us for the early family.

To answer your excellent question, the following information is taken
from a message of 11/14/97 and refers to a study I did on Mr. Batte's
cards. A snapshot of the study is posted on the Poythress web site at...
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/BatteA.html
(Note: This web page is mis-labeled "Chart A". It actually comprehends
Mr. Batte's entire card file as published in the digital collection of
the Library of Virginia, not just the subset he charted.)

========================
On the chart Mr. Batte uses a relational scheme of the form "nnn nnn "
where n is a numeral. For example, the code for Susanna Peachy Poythress
is "211 13", indicating the third child of the first child of the first
child of the first child of the second child of the immigrant, Captain
Francis Poythress. On the cards Mr. Batte uses a scheme of the form
"(@-n) @@@ @@@ " where @ is a letter, n is a number and (@-n) is the
code of the immigrant. For example, "(P-1)" is Captain Francis Poythress
and "(P-1) BFA" is Thomas Poythress of Martin Brandon, first child of the
sixth child of the second child of Captain Poythress. Using this scheme
one can recognize that "BF" is the parent of "BFA" and "BFA A" is the
child of "BFA". Sometimes birth order is followed, sometimes order of
citation in a will or some other scheme is followed (apparently in cases
where birth order is not known). It should be noted that typically, BUT
NOT ALWAYS, the ORDER and the PLACEMENT of the numeric codes and the
alpha codes agree. Agnes Poythress exemplifies disagreement of order
("BHA A" = "281 8"); Elizabeth Poythress exemplifies disagreement of
placement ("BFA A" = 211 11"). Some further notes follow:

1) In the LVA card numbering scheme, the card number is actually the
number of the SIDE of the card. So there are 205 total sides of cards.
A given person occupies between one and four sides of cards. The card
number in the spreadsheet is the FIRST side on which the person is found.
One should look at this side and sides following sequentially to review
all possible notations about the person.

2) Some persons cited in the cards do not each have a card of their own,
as for example Tabitha Poythress ("285" or "BHX").

3) For persons either not having a card of their own or having a card but
no relational code, I fabricated a code. For example, Elizabeth
Poythress, known to be daughter of "(P-1) BAA A" is coded "(P-1) BAA AX".
Where the relationship to the immigrant cannot be determined from the
cards, the earliest in the line gets a "pseudo-immigrant" designation.
For example, Francis "of Amelia", parent not stated, is coded "(P-1d)"
and his daughter Mary Peterson Poythress is coded "(P-1d) Y".

4) Every effort has been made to keep the contents of the spreadsheet
purely that of the cards. Information from other sources, EVEN
INFORMATION ON THE CHART BUT NOT ON THE CARDS (notably dates), has been
excluded intentionally.

5) Dates are early and late dates found on the cards, sometimes BUT NOT
ALWAYS birth and death dates. The cards have some citations of "before"
and "after" which have not been carried to the spreadsheet. Mr. Batte
seems to use "PT" (prior to?) for "before" and ST (subsequent to?) for
"after".

6) The URL for direct access to Batte's Poythress cards:
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/029/P0399?1
===================

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you need further information.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: James P. Poythress - the MasonBarb and other interested folks,

Concerning the question on Masonary - The first three degrees of Free Masonry,
are knows by way of disttinction as the "Symbolic Degrees" and are:

1st Degree - Entered Apprentice - or E.A.
2nd Degree - Fellow Craft - F.C. and
3rd Degree - Master Mason - M.M.

Note: The term "symbolic" is exclusively confined to the degrees conferred in
a
Lodge of the three primitive degrees, which Lodge, therefore, whether
opened
on the first, the second or the third degree, is always referred to
as a "sym-
"symbolic Lodge."

So says the New and Revised Edition of "An Encyclopedia of FREEMASONRY and Its
Kindred Sciences" by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., 33 Degree.

So, Jame P. Poythress, E.A. would indicate he had only been raised through the
first (E.A.) degree at that point in time.

However, my membership is in Solomon's Lodge No.1 in Savannah, GA (the 1st
chartered Lodge in the US but the 2nd oldest Lodge! - The "2nd to be chartered
is actually the oldest Lodge in the US and is in Massachusetts.) -- but I was
raised in "Poquoson Lodge in VA" through a courtesy arrangement between the
Grand Lodge of GA and the Grand Lodge of VA -- because at the time - I was
stationed at the Naval Mine Warfare School at Yorktown, VA (1953). And in
what then and now commonly referred to as the "Blue Lodge" - and upon the
candidate receiving the basic "3" degrees was then considered to be a "Blue
Lodge Mason".

I happened to have been raised through ALL 3 degrees in just "one" evening,
although that was not necessarily generally done -- (in my case, it was done
because I had received "transfer of duty orders" [Navy] to be transferred at
the very time I was undergoing my masonic instructions so the process
wasspeeded up to accomodate my situation). After a candidate has received
proper instructions (all by word "mouth-to-ear" only - nothing is in writing,
and on a "one degree" at the time basis), the instructor informs the lodge
that the candidate is ready for examination, -- the Lodge is opened (on
regular meeting nights only) for the purpose of exanimation of candidate for
acceptance as a "1st degree mason" - only. The candidate is exanimed "in open
Lodge" and then the Lodge members then votes on the passage of the candidate,
and if the candidate receive a "unanimous vote" the 1st degree in conferred on
the candidate and the Lodge is then closed, and in my case was then re-opened
immediately for the next, 2nd degree, and so on. In the voting by the
members - just "1 black ball" in any of the 3 degrees and the candidate would
be rejected - and without explanation!"

I hope this is clear to everyone interested. Should you have any further
question please don't hesitate to ask.

Bud		02/24/1998 4:39:32
E. A.Thanks to Judy:

E. A. = entered apprentice

W. M.= worshipfull master

S. D. = senior deacon

Maynard

02/24/1998 4:48:19
Re: James P. Poythress - the MasonOther than knowing that James P. Poythress was a Mason (which we knew
already), I was hoping "E. A." stood for "Eminent Ambassador" or something
similar which would have suggested James' Masonry ITSELF was a motivator to
move to Florida and help begin a new chapter. I guess we didn't get that but
what we did get was at least one more suggested link between Screven's JPP and
Florida's JPP on the way to calling them "one guy".

Or did I miss something?

Maynard

02/24/1998 5:07:54
Re: James P. Poythress - the MasonCharles NealBud & Judy,

Thanks so much for the enlightenment on Masonic info!

BPN

02/24/1998 9:44:36
2-24-98 The Poythress MysteriesCharles NealSarah, I hope that you are successfully receiving Poythress-List messages
by now? Thank you SO MUCH for sharing Patti Poythress Koscheski's message
about her ancestors (copied below because I think others will enjoy it,
too).

Looking forward to learning more from your wonderful family-hunt. Keep up
the good work!

I surely would appreciate it, if you could do me (and all your future
family members interested in the family's history) a HUGE favor: When you
get any info whether it is from a Court House, a cemetery, a funeral
home, or an obituary, you could save me (and lots of other Poythress
researchers, now and in the centuries to come) a LOT of digging to later
try to find that same info again, if you would make a good note about
exactly where and when you found it.

For example, if you find a marriage record, note on either the edge of a
photocopy of it, or if you are only writing down the info instead of
photocopying it, be sure to write down on the same sheet with your
"extract" of the information, (1) which Courthouse, (2) which volume (such
as "Franklin Co, NC Marriage Register 1800-1850"), and (3) what page # or
entry # it is in that volume. Also on the sheet put the date you were
there and saw it.

Or at a cemetery, be sure to write down the name (if any) of the cemetery,
and clear road directions on how to find it again, from a nearby town, and
then within the cemetery, roughly how to find the stone(s) in question, as
well as the date you saw it. Also be sure to write down ALL the info on the
stone(s), even things you don't understand at the time (like Masonic
emblems, or foreign language phrases), whether or not you also take a photo
of the stone(s) since some photos of stones turn out to not be readable due
to where the sun is. I have later looked back at notes of some things I
noted years earlier, & gotten LOTS more out of it, due to things I learned
in the meantime.

Believe me, these kinds of notes will become very important to YOU as well
as to others, the longer you are interested in the family history. Keep up
the good (and fun) hunt! Barbara (BPN)
>>

Subject: The Poythress Mysteries
Barbara, You are right this is a big typo -- I don't know why I put this in
-- I have to go to Bute or Franklin County to get this info. Will let you
know later. Thought you would like to see [the message below]
Sarah

From: P Koscheski
>The more I find out about my roots the more I am amazed and pleased.
>They are an assortment of wonderful characters. The Evelyn Poythress is
>my oldest living cousin as is her twin. she is Evelyn Poythress Johnson
>and lives in a rest home in the greater Atlanta area of Georgia near
>Judy Speed Poythress and near my brother, another William J.P. ....
>my husband and I lived in NC in the early 70s near Seymour Johnson AFB.
>I never knew at the time about my early Poythress stuff except that my
>grandfather and his brother Carl worked for the B&O railroad and bought
>his parents the house in Meridian around 1900 when they got older. Some
>of their brothers and sisters may also have helped. Then my Grandparents
>lost most of their money in the depression. They [Bryant and Bessie]
>moved into the Braxton Ave house to take care of his parents James Speed
>& Mattie P. Mattie and James died intestate and my gp lived in the
>house. After WWII my aunt Maelyne and her husband Francis "Buck" Buckley
>moved into care for my grandparents, and for economic reasons of both
>parties. My aunt Eloise became a widow with 3 small children and it took
>the combined efforts of all to care for the kids while Eloise got a
>degree in social work. so they all lived near. After Bryant and Bessie
>died, then at the end , aunt Eloise was paying the taxes onthe old
>place. It was finally torn down and sold piecemeal by a renovator who
>got it. I understand it is now just an empty corner lot. Patti		02/24/1998 9:44:45
Unidentified subject!Sarah PoythressHi, everyone,

Checking to see if this goes through.

Sarah
02/27/1998 7:39:39
Correcting Rosa & LB PoythressCharles Neal2-27-98

Sarah, thank you for the following correcting/amplifying info to your
2/23/98 message about the John Lewis Poythress line. Now that I'm pasting
this in, I'm wondering if the "L" of Bunnie's name & LB's name was truly
LEWIS as in your original message, or was it LOUIS as your note from the
Cemetery shows below?

BPN
>>>

Copied this off tombstones at Elmwood Cemetery [Henderson, NC] last Sunday
[22 Feb 1998]
Louis Bunyon Poythress (Jr. was not on it, but I know it is Jr.)
Born Dec. !2, 1917 (He was called L.B.)
Died Feb. 6, 1995

[His] Mother:
Rose Ellis Poythress
Born Sept. 15, 1894
Died July 7, 1992

My eyes sure we tangled up the night I typed that list. I need to list mine
in my FTM first. It will holler at me if the dates don't match up.
Sarah		02/27/1998 9:13:03
Re: Poythress in the Northern Neck of VA?Carol A. MorrisonWho was looking for info from Madison, ILL. I got a friend who is going
there tomorrow and will look for info but can't remember the specifics.

She's going to leave early so if you see this, reply as quickly as
possible.

Carol

02/27/1998 9:54:08
Madison ILLINOIS - URGENT - IMMDIEATE RESPONSE REQUIREDCarol A. MorrisonI just sent this out but under the wrong heading.

Whoever was looking for someone who could go to Madison, IL to look and
possibly copy some records there. . . . .

I have a friend who is going tomorrow in the a.m. Her email address is:

lizziekid@aol.com (name: Tracy)

If you'd send her an email tell her what specifically you're looking
for, she'll be glad to look for it and if she can find it, she'll be
glad to copy it for you and send to you.

Best to send your request directly to her if you get this soon enough.

Carol

02/27/1998 10:03:15
Unidentified subject!Sarah PoythressPoythress, Sarah Royster
406 Parham Road
Henderson, NC 27536
John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn Poythress were his great grand parents. Probably descented from James Edward &
Lewis Poythress.
We have lived in Vance County all of our life, but just became involved in genealogy recently. Oh, my husband is Elwood Dale Poythress, we have 3 children Steven G., Richard D. & Teresa G.
We also have 6 grandchildren.		02/27/1998 10:07:53
Re: Correcting Rosa & LB PoythressCharles NealSarah,

Glad to hear that Tom had his info with him. Good luck on going thru all
his info & getting more organized. I was trying to hook you & Rachel
together as siblings, by the way, and needed your father's name & birthdate
to do that when you have a chance.

Hope you folks have a great trip, and a safe one (I understand that
El-monsoon-Nino season is not over, so take care).
Barbara
>>>
Message text written by "Sarah Poythress"
> Barbara,
> I have it spelled Lewis in the information I have from Tom. I thought I
> copied it right off the tombstone, but I will check when we get back
> from our trip. We will be gone about 2 weeks.

> Tom is my brother-in-law, the one in Saudi Arebia. I received about 10
pages
> on the fax from him today. I plan to go through them while we are gone. I
> won't know until then if he has added any more to his orginal list or
not.

> I will miss all of your messages while I am gone, but maybe I can get my
> information more organized.

> Sarah		02/27/1998 11:06:22
Bertie Co, NC Wm Poythress 1785 Marr BondCharles Neal2-28-98

When I was in Salt Lake City in January at the Family History Library, I
found several volumes that referenced a marriage, that I would like to see
the original marriage bond/license/return for but which I haven't yet seen
it.

One compiler spelled his name William POYTHRESS (in a bound set of typed
sheets prepared by the Genealogical Society of Utah in July 1938) while
another compiler (Raymond Parker Fouts) spelled his name "William Portice
(?)"

At any rate, HOWEVER his name was spelled on the original bond (which is
supposed to be in the NC Archives' microfilm series, Bertie Marriage Bonds,
1762-1868 and Bertie Marriage Register, 1851-1917), the two volumes agree
that:

the bond was dated 27 Sept 1785;
her name was Ann Lewis
bondsman was Henry Avaret

& the GSU volume addes that a witness was Stevens Gray

Have any of you seen this item before?
Can anyone shed any light on whether or not this William & Ann Poythress
had any descendants listed in subsequent censuses?

In the 1790 Census for NC, I saw no William Poythress or William Portice,
though there is listed one William Portin, in Halifax District, Halifax
County (which immediately follows all the listings for Halifax District,
Franklin Co)

Any further info would be appreciated.

Barbara (BPN)		02/28/1998 6:03:47
James David Poythress (1856-after 1930) & sonCharles Neal2-28-98

Listers, and especially Lyn P. Baird --

I am trying to load info about James David Poythress (ggfather of Lyn --
abbreviated JDP here) and his son Len in my computer genealogy program, and
find that I'm either forgetting how the connection is known of JDP to his
parents, and to his wife & son Len, or perhaps I've never heard how we know
he is connected to them?

Following is all that I can locate (all from Lyn's messages) and everywhere
I insert a "?" is something that I figure we ought to be able to dredge up
a source reference for. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated in hunting
down these sources. Census references would surely help; perhaps there
is/are Family Bible(s), too? Other sources? My info re marriages in
Brunswick Co, VA do not come nearer than the 1850s, so I get no help from
them.

James David Poythress was born 15 Sep 1856 [?] in Mecklenburg Co, VA [?]

His parents were Thomas M. Poythress & Lucy G. Thomas [?] who were married
before 1846 [?] in an unknown location

James David Poythress married Lucy Cannon Moseley on 27 Nov 1877 [?] in
Brunswick Co, VA [?]

JDP had at least two children [any others? if so names & birthdates would
be greatly appreciated]:
one was Leonard Talmadge (Len) Poythress, born 28 Nov 1893 [?] in Brunswick
Co, VA [?]
the other was Frank G. Poythress, [born when? and was Lucy his mother,
too?]

JDP is buried (according to family knowledge) in Brodnax, Brunswick Co, VA
in a family cemetery which we have called here the Poythress-Davis
Cemetery. This cemetery contains fewer than 10 recognizable graves, & most
graves are marked only with fieldstones. It is located on land once owned
by Henry P. Davis, son-in-law of JDP [Henry's Poythress wife's name was
what?]

Leonard Talmadge (Len) Poythress married Carrie Rebecca Morris on 3 Aug
1919 [?] in Brunswick Co, VA

Len and Carrie had at least one child [others? if so, would appreciate
names & approx birthdates], Beatrice, born in 1920 in Brodnax, Brunswick
Co, VA

Len died 16 Mar 1926 [?] in Brodnax, Brunswick Co, VA [?]

Len is buried in the LaCrosse Cemetery, LaCrosse, Mecklenburg Co, VA
[hopefully with a marker -- If so do we have a verbatim-reading or photo of
it ?]

Thanks for any help on any of this!

Barbara		02/28/1998 6:03:51
Lauderdale Co, MS Poythress MarriagesCharles Neal2-28-98

While in Salt Lake in January, at the FHL, I extracted the following
Poythress marriages from film #0899110, "Lauderdale County, Mississippi
[Meridian is the countyseat] General Index to Marriage Records, white,
1839-1938"

There was no index record of any for 1845-1851. (I now think my notation of
this fact meant that there were no indexed records for any POYTHRESS for
those years, but it could be for anyone)

Listed below for each Poythress marriage I spotted, are the year of the
marriage; the names listed in the Index; the Book #; and the page # These
Index listings should enable anyone desiring copies of the actual marriage
documentation to more easily locate it:

POYTHRESS MEN (all of whom had "Poythress" for surname):
1902 John T. & Grace D. Dunn; 4; 194
1908 B.R. & Bessie Robinson; 7; 209
1917 C.H. & Pearl Beasley; 17; 210
1918 B.E. & Lena Spinks; 17; 550
1922 Charles W. & Minnie M. Tutt; 23; 289
1924 R.L. & Florence L. Hawkins; 27; 157
1925 James S. & Rose E. Jones; 27; 314
1925 J. W. & Martha Lois Corbitt; 27; 494
1929 J. W. & Mary E. Brett; 33; 197
1929 Robert L. Jr. & Addie K. Husband; 33; 459
1934 Harold Frederick & Violet E. Crook; 38; 16
1935 Norbert Earl & Sarah Francis Davis; 39; 207

POYTHRESS WOMEN (all having surname of "Poythress"):
1904 Annie P. & Charles A. Curtis; 4; 494
1904 Sallie G. & C. M. Card; 5; 51
1904 Adelaide E. & Thomas M. Curtis; 5; 223
1910 Roberta C. & Walter J. Gartin; 8; 96
1915 Willie M. & Wm. John Trest; 13; 571
1917 Grace & Malcolm McCraw; 17; 253
1920 Kate & W. J. Gartin; 21; 92
1925 Annie Grice & Everett Shamburger; 29; 58
1927 Helen Grace & John J. Watts; 31; 167
1928 Martha & George E. Thompson; 31; 538
1928 Eleanor & Thomas C. Clancy; 33; 31
1932 Katherine & L. R. Bass; 37; 228
1935 Margaret Elizabeth & Edw. Speed; 38; 522
1938 Rose Jones & W. B. Wilmurth Jr.; 41; 364

Hope this helps folks : - )
Barbara (BPN)		02/28/1998 6:03:54
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V98 #40DARTBOBI was into the wonderful Poythress Research page again. It's one of the best
done and most informative on the entire web. I have a question. Who was or is
R. Bolling Batte? He surely did some exhaustive work.

Sincerely,

Harris R. (Bob) Manning, Charleston, SC, CSA

Main: http://members.aol.com/DARTBOB/index.html
Genealogy: http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/ship/208/
Flags of the South: http://members.aol.com/csaflags/index.html
American Legion: http://members.tripod.com/~bodart/index.html		03/01/1998 2:30:51
Re: Cemetery (FIELD TRIP!)VKRatliffBud: I talked to Jimmy Bazemore tonight (Sunday). I'm to meet him at McBride
Methodist Church at 9:30 AM Saturday March 14. Actually, the "lost"
tombstones are on the property of Jimmy's brother Don but I called Jimmy
because I know him much better.

Confidential--I think at one time some of the folks were a bit paranoid about
even divulging that the place existed because one of the good 'ol boys had run
some cows in there and they tore the place up.....or at least that was the
story from all the pssst'ers. If the paranoia has gone away it may say the
same thing for the tombstones.

Jimmy minimizes what we'll find, saying he was only in there 20 years ago and
found only one old tombstone that had "Poythress" on it and that his mother
had told him his great-grandfather was buried there along with his great-
great-grandfather. Maybe Jimmy hasn't broken the code (after all everybody
ain't genealogy freaks) but his
g-grandfather (John Maner P.) is ALSO my g-grandfather and his g-g-grandfather
is also mine AND your g-g-grandfather (Meredith P. Jr.). I told him I didn't
give a hoot about the odds, I just wanted to see the place if it hairlipped
south Georgia. He says "fine, I'll put it together with Don...and shoot, Don
is off on Saturdays, he just may go with us". That sounds to me like the
paranoia is off the board. I make it 100 to 1 we are going for a hike in the
jungle but what the heck, I'm going to carry a camera and cornstarch (to
"bring up" the letters...optimistic scenario).

Jean and I are going to Macon and spend Thursday nite with friends. We visit
Fri. AM with one of Jean's cousins and will drive on to Sylvania Fri.
afternoon and get a room at the extravagant high-rise downtown Sylvania Day's
Inn. I'll gonna wait until then to decide how I feel but I may call Jimmy and
his wife Darweese and take 'em out to Net's Seafood Friday night....then again
I just might crash at the Day's Inn. In either case, we meet Jimmy next AM at
the church.

I asked Jimmy if he'd mind if you came along. Of course not. So, you got all
the options you want...just pick 'em. And if there is a way you'd
particularly LIKE to handle it, shoot, we can do that. Just say it.

Saturday afternoon Jean and I will leave Sylvania and drive on down to
Skidaway Island where a friend of my brother has loaned him his condo for the
week of the
St. Patrick's Day parade in Savannah. David is going for the politics but I
guess I can survive a St. Patrick's Day parade. We'll leave Savannah on
Thurs. (3/18) for return to Louisville same day.

Just let me know what you want to do and if you don't even want to make up
your mind until the last minute thats okay too but would love to have you join
us.

Maynard		03/01/1998 3:25:53
Correction on Lauderdale Co, MS Marr ListCharles Neal3-1-98

Listers, today I spotted 2 corrections to the List I posted yesterday. All
the Book & Page numbers were correct as posted; these 2 are corrections of
the year only:

POYTHRESS WOMEN:
1903 Annie P. Poythress & Charles A. Curtis, Bk. 4, p.494
1914 Willie M. Poythress & Wm. John Trest, Bk. 13, p.571

ALSO, if any of you know who, for sure, one of the listed women is, I would
appreciate more info on her (parents' names, or whether her surname was
Poythress only because of an earlier marriage, or whatever). The mystery
woman for me is one who married in 1928: Martha Poythress & George E.
Thompson, Bk. 31, p. 538

Thanks!
Barbara		03/01/1998 7:18:54
Re: Cemetery (FIELD TRIP!)Charles Neal3-2-98

Maynard,

You may find it helpful to carry along a strong flashlight, in case by the
time you find said tombstones the light is from BEHIND them, because the
film frequently does not show up the lettering after noontime sun with the
light behind the stones. Also some good clippers & a sturdy brush for
clearing away the vegetation & groddue. (And be sure to use insect
repellent or you'll be full of redbug bites later). Wish I were close
enough to meet you folks there. Happy hunting : - ))

BPN		03/02/1998 10:05:04
PoytressCharles Neal3-2-98

Nicola,

Great to hear from you : - ))

I would personally find it very helpful to know where your family line has
been located for as far back as you are willing to share with us, and also
any identifying data you can furnish (even including dates & places of
birth, marriage, death, for those who have passed on).

My theory is that Poytress and Poythress are all definitely related,
descending from siblings somewhere back there. But to prove that theory,
we'll have to know a lot more details.

Looking forward to any info you can share with our Poythress-List. (And
P.S. I know of no Poytress-List)

Barbara (BPN)
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		03/02/1998 10:05:23
PoytressNicola PoytressMy family name is Poytress and I was wondering if any information
regarding our surname would be of any use the this web site or is there
a web site purly for Poytress.

Please get in contact if you would like some information.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Nicola

03/02/1998 10:34:50
Dortch Surname QueryAlbert R. TimsHi Folks,

I received the following query today. I replied that I would post this to the Poythress list and pointed Mr. Hobbs to the archive search utility for our list at:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I don't believe Mr. Hobbs is a subscriber to this list. If you can help, please respond to him directly at the email address given below and to the list -- so we know what he has learned.

Ya'll keep up the good work. I'll be back in the trenches as soon as I can :-).

Best,
Al Tims

Subject:
Dortch Family Genealogy
Date:
Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:10:20 -0800
From:
David A Hobbs
Organization:
David A. Hobbs, Inc.
To:
Albert R Tims

Dear Albert,

I am trying to link John Dorsh to the Dortch family of Meck. Co. My
John Dorsh was born in 1800 in Virginia. The only Dortch (Dorsh) in Va.
in 1800 that I can find, was in Meck. Co. I have gathered some
information on David Dortch and his children and grandchildren, but I
can not find my John.

Ca. 1826 John married in Wash. Co., Penn. and then moved to Ripley Co.
Ind. In the census he gave the 1800 in Va. birth information.

Can you help make the link?

Thank you.

David A. Hobbs		03/03/1998 7:01:36
Re: PoytressAlbert R. TimsNicola,

I did some quick checking and find no evidence of a Poytress list. However,
we're pretty safe in assuming that Poythress is a variant of Poytress, or
the other way around. In any event, this list is probably your best source.

We'd love to learn more about the Poytress lines.

Best,
Al Tims

03/03/1998 7:07:11
Re: Francis Poythress, The Rev.Obadiah243Maynard and all,

I only get on aol about once a week or so, as I have to call long distance.
I use prodigy for almost all of my e-mail just because they are nice enough
to provide a local number to call. My address on prodigy is: ZVAW73A@
prodigy.com

I've not had much time recently to work with genealogy, but I will in the near
future. I retired on Dec 30. We have bought a house on 5+ acres in Cox's
Creek Kentucky
which is just north of Bardstown. We will be moving back about the middle of
June. After we get settled in, I will be glad to make a trip to Frankfurt and
search. I have not done any searching at Frankfurt to answer your question.
We have lived out here near Seattle since 1976 and have only been able to get
back to Kentucky a few times.

I am very much interested in figuring out this puzzle. I'm going to forward
the two messages on to my Uncle Ernest King who lives near Louisville. He is
my mother's brother and their mother was born Mary Masterson. My Uncle will
print the messages off and between my mother and my Uncle, maybe they can
help.

Cordially,

Dick Bedwell

PS, I'm also sending a copy to my brother Tom		03/04/1998 5:16:38
Francis Poythress, The Rev.VKRatliffHey folks, you know, this guy just ought not to be this hard to nail down!

We have his two sisters identified...
1) Elizabeth b. VA d. 1818 KY m. Anthony or Thomas Peniston
2) Susannah b. VA 1747 d. KY 25 Jan 1817 m. Pryor

If I had to guess I'd say the odds are good they married in VA and then came
to KY.

Francis himself b. VA, d. KY 1820 at the home of his sister Susannah (I
think..or was it the other one?) in Mercer County, KY. Francis cut a wide
swath thru VA, NC, & KY as a Methodist minister. He was founder of the first
theological academy in KY, Bethel Academy. He was instrumental in helping
Bishop Asbury with the founding of Asbury College in Wilmore, KY. In
Methodist circles, he was without doubt a high profile individual for a number
of years of the late 18th and very early 19th centuries.

The probability is certainly there that a) Francis himself may have started
the "trend" of virtually all of those Poythresses from late 1700's on to be
Methodists or b) maybe Francis simply created the environment in south-central
Virginia for Methodism to flourish in those counties where there WERE
Poythresses in late 1700's....Brunswick, Dinwiddie, Mecklenburg, etc. At any
rate, he worked his territory hard enough to get the jump on the Baptists.

Just as a hunch, look for this Francis to have had a rich daddy so he could
have afforded to maintain his advertised debauchery from which he is said to
have had his miraculous conversion to the cloth inspired by the lovely and
mysterious lady at the party. (Not to imply that it absolutely requires money
to debauch with but it helps.)

It strikes me there is just no way a guy this prominent at anything should get
away with not having his parents recorded at SOME place or SOME time. I have
had contact at one time or another with Kentucky descendants of each sister,
Tara Peniston (FPP above) and Dick Bedwell (Obadiah above)....so apparently
there is no obvious hook with the Virginia parents through either of Francis'
sisters in Kentucky and that seems to be a sort of remarkable void too.

I would have thought that knowing the names of all three siblings would have
made finding them in VA easy....unfortunately, the three of them somehow
managed to draw three of THE most common Christian names of the entire VA
Poythress crowd. And that is not to say they were the only three siblings.
The only thing that could have made it worse would have been if the girls had
had two more brothers, one named John and another Thomas....then we'd have
never found any of them in the crowd.

I'm sure this information is as old as dirt for Tara and Dick but I have just
received a
flyer re membership in the Kentucky Historical Society. The big deal (for me
anyway) is their tout for their library in Frankfort which claims the largest
collection of genealogical resources in KY. Frankfort is only an hour away
and I will happily pop over there with only the one objective of trying to
find the Va. parents of Francis-Susannah-Elizabeth.

However....before I do that I'd like to ask just two things...

1) have any of you all on the list specifically looked for the parents of
these siblings
and found anything? And if you haven't, and you have Virginia records,
would
please you give it one more shot? And if you have any hints in addition
to the
information above, would you also share those? I think I already have
photocopies of most of the sections of Methodist histories that deal with
Francis
and his accomplishments.....but there has just got to be something I DON'T
have....perhaps you have it?

2) I'd like to also ask Dick and Tara, by copy of this, if perhaps they have
already
scoured that library in Frankfort? And if they have, and are convinced
there is
nothing there, tell me so......or perhaps if you think its still a decent
shot
to pump out this library even though I'm sure both of you have been there,
how
about telling me if you have any counsel or hints on places to look or
places to
not look?

Make that THREE things: Al, didn't you tell me you either went to or taught at
UK for a stint? And weren't you telling me about the existance of the records
for one or more of those seminaries? You got any inspiration, crazy or
otherwise, to add to this?

Many thanks,

Maynard
[vkratliff@aol.com]		03/04/1998 6:17:16
Re: Francis Poythress, The Rev.Maynard, since I don't have anything substantive to offer on this topic,
I will offer some Batte-isms instead (couldn't you have guessed?). Here
are the obvious Batte candidates for father of these three. Except as
noted, all are documented by Batte as sharing the progenitor (P-1)
Francis, and so that part of the code is omitted:

Joshua (1720-82) - BAA
Littleberry - BAB
William (1718-79) - BAC
Edmund - BDA
William "Colonel" (1694-1763) - BE
William Jr. (1727-69) - BEB
Thomas "of Martin Brandon" (?->1773) - BFA
John - BFA Y
Peter "of Branchester" (1715-85) - BHA
Robert - BHB
William - BHC
John Jr. - DCA
Francis - DCB A
William (1718-?) - DCC
Thomas (1683-1750) - DE
George (1719-?) - (P-1c) X
Francis "of Amelia" (?-1796) - (P-1d)

Unfortunately not exactly what I would call a "short list". No doubt you
have noted that ths Reverend Francis P. and your ancestor, Thomas P. of
Brunswick, are closely contemporary. So the above list also comprises
the Batte candidates for your next ancestor as well. Happy hunting to us
all. 🙂

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

PS: Have fun in Georgia. We will expect a full report!

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Poythress marriage - England connectionCharles Neal3-4-98

Perhaps this info could help pinpoint something for us?

When I was in Salt Lake in January, Helene Pockrus gave me a photocopied
page from a book, which she labelled by hand at the top, __History of
Bienville Parish, Vol. 2__ (1990), which I presume refers to Louisiana (no
author/compiler written in). The page includes info from several families,
with the one of interest to us being the section of the page entitled

"Wynne, Wynn Families"

The only Poythress mentioned is in this paragraph:
"Co. Robert Wynne - b. @1622 -- Christened, Dec. 28, 1622 in St. Dustan's
Canterbury, England. Married a widow Mary Poythress. He died @1675 in
Charles City County, Virginia and buried [sic] at Jordan's Church, Charles
City County, Virginia. Will probated in England in 1678, Canterbury, Kent,
England." [BPN NOTES: (1) What is "Co." -- perhaps Colonel?
(2) shouldn't that be St. Dunstan's ?
(3) I guess the @ is the book's version of "about" from the context
(4) date & place of marriage not given, however in the book by Art
Danforth, __A Winn Family Story__ (March 1986) refers to the fact that
this Robert Wynne came to Virginia in 1651 & mentions that the first record
of him in the colonies is in 1655, "and by that time he was
well-established as a landowner in Jordan's Parish, Charles City County,
south of the James River; he called his plantation Georges. . . Sometime
about 1656 or 1657, probably, Robert [Wynne] married Mary Poythress, the
widow of Captain Francis Poythress; they had been neighbors in Jordan's
Parish. (Francis Poythress, who had migrated to Virginia about 1633, died
about 1650, leaving his widow and four children: Francis, John, Jane, and
Thomas. Francis Junior is referred to later on by Robert [Wynne] as his son
in law -- a term which at that time also meant stepson.)"

Back to Helene's photocopied page from the History of Bienville Parish,
there are some Wynne descendants shown down thru 1700s, including a partial
generation (apparently continued on next page, not copied), and two
generations of WYNNE ancestors, from whom "Co. Robert Wynne" [Colonel?]
descended (which are consistent with the 2 generations above him in Art
Danforth's book, too):

Robert's father is shown as: "Peter Wynne - b. 1605 Canterbury Kent,
England. Married Martha Coppin August 12, 1620, St. Martins, England. He
died May 28, 1638, she died March 8, 1633 and both are buried in St.
Georges, Canterbury, England."

and Robert's grandfather is shown as: "Sir Robert Wynne -- b. @1563 d.
Sept. 4, 1609 Canterbury, England. Married Frances Wattmer d. Sept. 6,
1609 Canterbury, England. Both are buried in St. Georges. He was Lord
Mayor of Canterbury in 1599."

All for now folks,
Barbara (BPN)		03/04/1998 10:42:40
Dortch/Poythress ConnectionsDavid, this is in response to your inquiry regarding John Dorsh, born in
1800 in Virginia, resided in Ripley Co., Indiana. Here is a summary of
what we listers had shared or collected (not all verified!) as of
September 1997 suggesting Poythress/Dortch connections. I am not
personally aware of any growth of knowledge since that time. Also, you
may want to link up with other Dorth researchers that have inquired to
our list, as follows:

Bill Dortch or
Richard M. Stiles
John P. ?????

It would be appreciated if you would share with us the information you
mentioned having on David Dortch and descendants of Mecklenburg Co., Va.
Happy hunting - and keep us posted on progress.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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From: llbaird
To: lyn.baird@compaq.com
Subject: Updated Dortch/Poythress Connections
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:10 -0500
Message-ID: <19970912.142039.3982.2.llbaird@juno.com>

The following notes on Dortch/Poythress connections contain corrections
on the marriages of David Poythress, courtesy Barbara Poythress Wolfe:

1) The 1802 marriage of Lewis POYTHRESS and Rebecca B. TAYLOR was
witnessed by John DORTCH.

2) Census records of 1820 and 1830 (Mecklenburg, VA) indicate two girls
in the Lewis POYTHRESS household, the younger born ca. 1815-20. This
younger girl is absent from the household in the 1840 census.

3) William A. DORTCH married Sarah G. POYTHRESS (Warren Co., NC, 1837).

4) David POYTHRESS, candidate son of Lewis POYTHRESS, married first Mary
Speed DORTCH (Mecklenburg Co., VA, 17 December 1827) then Sally DORTCH
(Warren Co., NC, 15 March 1848).

5) A DORTCH household in the 1850 Southampton Co., VA, census contains
William A. (32), Sally (35), Martha (12), Jasper (7), Alvin (5), Tom (3).

6) William A. DORTCH married Elizabeth A. MISE (Warren Co., NC, 1854),
George W. KING, bondsman.

7) There is a KING-MISE-TANNER family cemetery about a mile or so north
of the POYTHRESS family cemetery on Blackridge Road, Mecklenburg Co., VA.

8) Alvin DORTCH married Tennesse Jordan GLOVER (Mecklenburg Co., VA,
1866) and may have listed parents as William and Sarah.

Thanks to BPW (Beetle72@aol.com) for items (3) and (4). Thanks to John
P. (JSCC1@aol.com) for items (3), (5), (6) and (8).

Regards,
Lyn Baird
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Re: Francis Poythress, The Rev.VKRatliffHey Dick, great to hear from you....and glad to know you got us burned into
your memory bank when you find the kid's parents....they're there somewhere!

Trust you have been retired long enough to find out that all that baloney they
give you about the difficulty of the transistion is just that--baloney. I
closed the door behind me about 1 1/2 years ago and never give it another
thought....except for the social connnections. My compliments on your
retirement selection....Bardstown has gotta be one of Kentucky's best kept
secrets.

Good luck....looks like some capable sleuths you're putting on the job for us.
We appreciate it.

Maynard		03/05/1998 4:00:22
Re: Bienville ParishBeetle72There is a Bienville Parish in Louisiana. It is listed on the county locator
url:http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo

Barbara (BPW)		03/05/1998 4:09:22
Scotland On-LineBeetle72Coming soon!! This news is from the General Register Office - Scotland
web site at http://www.open.gov.uk/gros/faq.htm

"...Spring 1998 a fully searchable index of Scottish birth and marriage
records from 1553 to 1897, and death records from 1855 to 1897 will be
available on the Web.

"The General Register Office for Scotland Internet service will be
formally launched by Henry McLeish, Minister of State at The Scottish
Office on Monday the sixth of April. Public access to the database will
be available immediately after the launch, from approximately 1.00 p.m.
UK time.

"The service will provide World Wide Web access to a fully searchable
index to births/baptisms and banns/marriages from the Old Parish
Registers dating from 1553 to 1854, and births,
marriages and deaths from the Statutory Index for 1855 to 1897. An index
to census records for 1891 will also be provided; 1881 census data will
be made available later this year.

"We have established a mailing list to inform customers when this
service is launched, to be added to it send a message (with 'on-line
indexes service' as the subject) to nrh.gros@gtnet.gov.uk. Your e-mail
address will not be given to third parties."

Barbara (BPW)		03/05/1998 4:16:24
Poythress marriage - England ConnectionCliff TownsendBarbara, the page of History of Bienville Parish, Vol. 2 and paragraph
you mention is interesting. I belong to the Robert Wynne and Mary
Poythress line. Is that your line or do you come in with Capt. Francis
Poythress and Mary? Do you have a maiden surname for Mary?

I fact I have two Mary Poythress in my lineage. I have the one I have
mentioned above and then I have Mary Poythress that married my John
Woodliff.

This Bienville Parish book, do you believe one of the pioneers of
Bienville Parish was a Poythress? I live about 45 minutes from
Shreveport and may sometime be able to go to the library there and see
if they have this book. (or any other of this parish if you believe it
is of Louisiana).

Let me hear from you. Sheryl (srt)		03/05/1998 7:55:27
Poythress marriage - England ConnectionCharles Neal3-5-98

Sheryl,

I'm from the Poythress-male-line; my maiden name is Poythress. As to
whether my line goes all the way back to Capt. Francis Poythress, right now
my strong hunch is "yes" but I have no proof further back than 1800, which
is a LONG way from the 1630s (almost as far as today is from 1800).

From this one page, I really cannot tell whether the book is addressing
pioneers of Bienville Parish in Louisiana, or some other topic entirely.
And from the fact that the little portion is addressing the Wynne name
(with the Poythress name only occurring incidentally), I would guess that
the main reason it is there has something to do with some Bienville
resident (pioneer or not) named Wynne, rather than Poythress.

It would be logical that the Library might have the book, in that area. It
may even be a book that is still available at a local historical society or
parish clerk's office.

Sorry I have no other info for any clarification.

Barbara Poythress Neal		03/05/1998 8:32:34
Re: Candidate Fathers for Rev. Francis P.Patti, regarding your question regarding my Batte-isms to Maynard...

>I must have missed something somewhere. What do the leters following the
names mean?"DCA", "DCB A", etc. -Patti

...so glad you asked! The following information is taken from a message
of 11/14/97 and refers to a study I did on Mr. Batte's cards. While we
may have varying opinions as to the accuracy of Mr. Batte's research, we
should all be agreed as to the value of a framework for communication.
Until we listers develop our own scheme, Mr. Batte's card-coding scheme
(alpha, as opposed to numeric chart-coding) may be the most comprehensive
scheme available to us for the early family. I would encourage us to
utilize this "BATTE-SPEAK" until it is replaced by a better scheme. A
snapshot of the Batte study is posted on the Poythress web site at...

http://www1.minn.net/~atims/BatteA.html

(Note: This web page is mis-labeled "Chart A". It actually comprehends
Mr. Batte's entire card file as published in the digital collection of
the Library of Virginia, not just the subset he charted.)

========================
On the chart Mr. Batte uses a relational scheme of the form "nnn nnn "
where n is a numeral. For example, the code for Susanna Peachy Poythress
is "211 13", indicating the third child of the first child of the first
child of the first child of the second child of the immigrant, Captain
Francis Poythress. On the cards Mr. Batte uses a scheme of the form
"(@-n) @@@ @@@ " where @ is a letter, n is a number and (@-n) is the
code of the immigrant. For example, "(P-1)" is Captain Francis Poythress
and "(P-1) BFA" is Thomas Poythress of Martin Brandon, first child of the
sixth child of the second child of Captain Poythress. Using this scheme
one can recognize that "BF" is the parent of "BFA" and "BFA A" is the
child of "BFA". Sometimes birth order is followed, sometimes order of
citation in a will or some other scheme is followed (apparently in cases
where birth order is not known). It should be noted that typically, BUT
NOT ALWAYS, the ORDER and the PLACEMENT of the numeric codes and the
alpha codes agree. Agnes Poythress exemplifies disagreement of order
("BHA A" = "281 8"); Elizabeth Poythress exemplifies disagreement of
placement ("BFA A" = 211 11"). Some further notes follow:

1) In the LVA card numbering scheme, the card number is actually the
number of the SIDE of the card. So there are 205 total sides of cards.
A given person occupies between one and four sides of cards. The card
number in the spreadsheet is the FIRST side on which the person is found.
One should look at this side and sides following sequentially to review
all possible notations about the person.

2) Some persons cited in the cards do not each have a card of their own,
as for example Tabitha Poythress ("285" or "BHX").

3) For persons either not having a card of their own or having a card but
no relational code, I fabricated a code. For example, Elizabeth
Poythress, known to be daughter of "(P-1) BAA A" is coded "(P-1) BAA AX".
Where the relationship to the immigrant cannot be determined from the
cards, the earliest in the line gets a "pseudo-immigrant" designation.
For example, Francis "of Amelia", parent not stated, is coded "(P-1d)"
and his daughter Mary Peterson Poythress is coded "(P-1d) Y".

4) Every effort has been made to keep the contents of the spreadsheet
purely that of the cards. Information from other sources, EVEN
INFORMATION ON THE CHART BUT NOT ON THE CARDS (notably dates), has been
excluded intentionally.

5) Dates are early and late dates found on the cards, sometimes BUT NOT
ALWAYS birth and death dates. The cards have some citations of "before"
and "after" which have not been carried to the spreadsheet. Mr. Batte
seems to use "PT" (prior to?) for "before" and ST (subsequent to?) for
"after".

6) The URL for direct access to Batte's Poythress cards:
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIV/disk8/BA/029/P0399?1
===================

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you need further information.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Wm PoythressMurphyDoes anyone have an abstract of the will of William Poythress, Pr George
Co, 2 Sep 1794, Bk V p 416? I am wondering why it would be listed in Old
Kentucky Entries and Deeds. Did he have land in KY? I do not find him
listed anywhere else in this Jillson book. Hazel		03/07/1998 10:05:39
SpellingsMurphyFor those interested in variant spellings of Poythress, the Genealogical
Publishing Company has published a book by Virginia Lee Hutcheson Davis
titled Tidewater Virginia Families: follows a long list of surnames
which I shall not repeat here but one is "Peatross". Hazel

03/07/1998 11:29:06
Poythress-WagnonVKRatliff"
Hello
I am researching Wagnon genealogy. My lines touch Poythress. We have
found a George Poythress listed in a land transfer from John Peter Wagnon
to Thomas Wagnon of Augusta.

My Wagnon line descends from Daniel Monroe Wagnon to Pittman Monroe Wagnon
to Frank Monroe Wagnon to Homer Wagnon.

There is a Thomas Poythress Wagnon in our line a son of Thomas Wagnon
I will appreciate any information you might be willing to share.

Paul Wagnon"

Hey, Paul, great to hear from you! The bad news is I probably won't offer you
much enlightenment. The good news is I think I can offer you a ton of
information if you are looking at George Poythress and Thomas Poythress.

First may I suggest that you check the Poythress webpage:

http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Of particular interest to you will be the Trial Chart of Thomas Poythress of
Brunswick County, Va. There is both a decendancy chart and an "event" line
for the information I have on him. I am attaching the "event line" because
I'm not sure if I have made any additions since it went up on the board. I'm
also sending the event line as attachment on second msg. because the two
together are too big for AOL rules. I am a direct proven descendant of "a"
Thomas Poythress and likely this particular one but can't prove that
specifically.

Thomas moved to Burke County, Georgia (immediately south of Augusta/Richmond
county where you are working) ca 1788. Son George was sheriff of Burke County
until 10 Oct 1799 when he was succeded by his father Thomas. Thomas serves as
sheriff until his death in late 1800.

George Poythress turned out to be a bona fide heavy hitter and it is not
surprising to find him in court records anywhere in about a 60 mile radius of
Burke County...typically buying and selling land. George's son John Carter
Poythress
inherited considerable wealth from George. John Carter P was CW era and
outfitted a company which he led.

On my "to do" list is a George Poythress event line; I guess I have put it off
in favor of other projects because I expect it to run at least 30 or so pages
with the detail that is available on him.

George eventually moved to Florida ("Jacksonville territory") died in 1830's
and one of his legatees was a brother Lewis Poythress in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia.

I'm a little shaky here but let me say this is a scenario that is both semi-
possible and probably also a wish list: Lewis and Meredith Poythress (my
ancestor) and George and maybe a couple of others were all brothers who
emigrated from Brunswick/Mecklenburg to Burke County with their father Thomas.
That would tie all sorts of loose ends together for us.

If your only P. connection was George's name in the land transfer from John
Peter Wagnon to Thomas Wagnon of Augusta....I'd be inclined to say George
might be operating in his capacity of sheriff or perhaps as a witness because
sheriffs and land traders tend to hang around courthouses. But you have the
actual citation and I'd be most appreciative if you would share it.

Now, the Thomas Poythress Wagnon you have as a son of Thomas Wagnon is quite
interesting. While this would not appear likely to you and me, for some
reason the Poythress name has been used extensively as both middle names and
on one or two occasions even as a given name. And this pattern seems to be
true all the way back to "the" Poythress immigrant, one Francis Poythres who
appears in Va. in 1633. Francis and his next two generations were Burgesses
from various counties and have some degree of "historical presence" in Va.
colonial history.

If I may do some "presuming" on you, my guess would be your first interest
would be in finding a Poythress daughter who married a Wagnon and a very
logical one would be a daughter of Thomas or even George. Each man had one
daughter and we have the marriage records of both and neither married a
Wagnon....sorry to say. I'm also sorry to say that I have been doing this
Poythress chasing very extensively for the past several years and from all my
reading I just draw a blank on Wagnon....
which is NOT to say that I'm not REALLY interested in your Thomas Poythress
Wagnon.

While I definitely think this family is still your prime suspect.....it should
be mentioned that several other Poythresses show up in Georgia around the same
time (all of whom show strong evidence of coming from the original Va.
family):
Francis..... records in Greene County, early 1780's on.
Joseph.....shows up in Warren County, married in 1814, moves to Troup County.
Hardaman...(an old family name, origin unknown), also in Greene County,
probably a son of the above Francis of Greene County.

I guess I would have 3 "touts" for you:

1) sign on to the Poythress Listserv (discussion group)....instructions on the
web page. Just jump on and introduce yourself, citing as much as you have on
this particular question. It is quite possible and maybe even probable that
one of our
35 or so members will pop out a Wagnon/Poythress marriage that he or she has
been inadvertently hiding. You won't find a friendlier group on the net. Not
all are Poythresses. Many say they stay on the list just to watch "the
action" which one even likened to a troop ship crap game.

2) check a 3 volume index work by a wonderful lady, Alice Walker, at the
Augusta/
Richmond County Libary. It is an all-name index to the Augusta Chronicle for
the years 1788 to 1827. Look up your suspects and then go to the microfilm
for the particular issues; Alice cites date, page, and even column for every
name entry. I know you can find this work in the Augusta downtown library
because I have used it and that is where I met Alice. I make it 100 to 1 you
can also find it in the Georgia Archives or the Hargrett Library at UGA. If
you can't find it in either of these two places, just e-mail Alice at the
Augusta library and ask her. Alice is a sweetheart to work with and has done
a labor of love in transcribing all of this material. My guess is you will
find Wagnon fairly extensively, primarily since John Peter Wagnon was an MD
and from just two clues seems to have been an active community leader.

On the webpage, you will notice we have abstracts of all the Poythress
mentions
from the Augusta Chronicle and the Walker index and Augusta Library microfilm
is how it was developed. I suspect the Augusta Chronicle lacked for
newsworthy events.....if your ancestor went to a chicken fight one Saturday
night, its probably in the Chronicle and indexed by Alice. But anyway,
checking this "sub-page" on the Poythress webpage will give you an example of
what it looks like.

3) Albert M. Hillhouse is (or was) the best historian for Burke County and his
work is "A History of Burke County, Georgia 1777-1950".

Pg. 55: "Members of the Executive Council from Burke were:
1783.....
1784...etc.....

1788 John Peter Wagnon and Hugh Lawson"

Pg. 213: "We are unable to find the names of any physicians who practiced in
St. George Parish during the Colonial Period. During the Revolution four
names appear: Doctors Henry Todd, John Peter Wagnon, ....all of whom were at
one time or another residents of Burke."

Also, I'll suggest a couple of things that you probably already know. First,
the Burke County Courthouse has burned 3 times over the years and when you ask
librarians to show you the "Burke" section, their eyes glaze over. Second,
on the Rootsweb System there is now an exchange group specifically for Burke
County that pops out a message about 2 or 3 times a week. I can't recall the
adds. right now but if you like, I can send it to you next time I get a
message....if you post a query there you might get a bite.

Paul, hopes this helps you. Either way, I'd be much appreciative if you would
send me the P. references you have, no matter how scanty. And tell me where
you are located....as that might key some resources for you that are closeby.

Best,

Maynard Poythress
Louisville, KY
[vkratliff@aol.com]		03/08/1998 7:20:13
Re: Wm PoythressVKRatliffSubj: Wm Poythress
Date: 98-03-08 02:23:54 EST
From: flcrkr@swbell.net (Murphy)
Reply-to: flcrkr@swbell.net
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Does anyone have an abstract of the will of William Poythress, Pr George
Co, 2 Sep 1794, Bk V p 416? I am wondering why it would be listed in Old
Kentucky Entries and Deeds. Did he have land in KY? I do not find him
listed anywhere else in this Jillson book. Hazel

Hazel.....

I think/hope you have a live one....I sure don't recall seeing this one
before....but somebody may show it to me on the webpage later.

The possibilites:

1) He could have just gotten mixed in with the KY folks.....that happens often
with
records of Prince George County. Our friends with Genl. Grant looted and
burned that courthouse so often when a "fragment" turns up it gets into "loose
papers" and
thats not a good enough destination for them to not go astray.

2) There IS a KY connection. Rev. Francis Poythress (a life long batchelor)
was a
very important individual in the growth of the Methodist Church in KY. He was
in his prime about early 1800's and died ca 1815 at the home of his sister
Susannah (b. Va. 1747 d. Kentucky 25 Jan 1817 m. _____Pryor) in Mercer County,
KY. He had another sister Elizabeth b. Va. d. 1818 KY m. Anthony or Thomas
Peniston who also came to KY.

We have been looking high and low for their father. A death of a Virginia
Prince George County Poythress with a Kentucky link would certainly be a good
suspect.

Would you be so kind as to post the entire abstract for us and while you're at
it think about the possibility for the William you have being the father of
Francis, Susannah, and Elizabeth. Also would be happy to get your comments.

Many thanks,

Maynard		03/08/1998 7:48:27
Re: John PoythressGreetings, Lou. Your 2/9/98 response to Pauline Pierce included the
following:

"And then later on in the same "chapter" we have John, son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles, listed as marrying Mary Batte (source:
"Prince George County Deeds, Wills, Etc. 1710-1713, Book B, pp. 175-177"
- The Southside Virginian, Vol. IX, No. 4, Oct-Dec 1991, pp. 154-155.)"

If you (or another lister) would be so kind as to post this original PG
citation, or an abstract thereof, to the list, it would be appreciated.
OR, IF the above reference is to the 1712 will of John Poythress (posted
in abstract by Lea Dowd on 2/9), then just let me know this is the case.

I am doing some follow-up analysis on Lea Dowd's recent contributions on
this subject, and would like a look at the above-mentioned puzzle piece.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Thanks!Helene, thanks for the information - with special lagniappe as always!
Still watching for that good excuse to get you back onto the list. Until
then, keep in touch.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:34:54 -0700 "Helene and Marion Pockrus"
writes:
>TheHistory of Bossier Parish book is listed here. I read it in the
>Family
>History Library in SLC the day before you arrived last time Barb. I
>am
>always on the lookout for your Poythress names. If anyone lives near
>Shreveport, I would get in touch with Brenda Williams who is an
>assistant
>librarian and knows the genealogical section in depth. I am sure she
>can
>get a copy somewhere or an inter-library transfer. It is not
>available
>from the LDS Library as it is not on film and probably has a copyright
>on
>it.
>Next, it seemed to be a history that was a collection of material from
>contributors, so as I recall, I could just copy that and the next
>page(which I didn't) and send it along.
>I will also send the catalog info on 4 books that are available at
>the FHL
>on the Poythress name. Interesting to mention. If a book is very
>oold and
>there is no copyright the church will film a book so it can be sent to
>patrons iat FHC world wide. You have to write with a request and it
>takes
>months to get done but it is possible. Then too, I have been known to
>copy
>a book from cover to cover when I had time. The books that are the
>A#s are
> small and easy to copy. At a nickel a page I do lots of copy work.
>Let
>me know if you need any of this. None are on film.
>Helene
>Item #1
>CALL NUMBER
>US/CAN
>BOOK AREA
>976.393
>H2p
>
>AUTHOR
>Poland, Billie Jean.
>
>TITLE
>History of Bienville Parish / by Billie Gene Poland.
>
>PUBLICATION INFORMATION
>Bossier City, La. : Everett, c1990.
>
>COPYRIGHT DATE
>1990
>
>FORMAT
>viii, 862 p. : ill., facsims., maps, ports.
>
>NOTES
>ISBN: 0-944419-259
>
>CONTENTS
>Includes index.
>Includes general history, schools, churches, businesses and other
> organizations.
>
>LIBRARY HOLDINGS
>Library has vol. 2 only.
>
>THIS RECORD FOUND UNDER
> 1. Louisiana, Bienville - History
> 2. Louisiana, Bienville - Schools
> 3. Louisiana, Bienville - Church history
> 4. Louisiana, Bienville - Business records and commerce
> 5. Louisiana, Bienville - Societies
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Item #2
>Exact Match Records
>Found
> 1. Poythress
> 4
>
>Individual Names and Variant Spellings
> 2. Peets
> 3
> 3. Peters
>167
> 4. Peters, Aaron Thomas, 1891-1963
> 1
> 5. Peters, David, 1810-1898
> 1
> 6. Peters, Jakob, 1813-1884
> 1
> 7. Peters, Lois Crary, 1750-1837
> 1
> 8. Peters, Nathan, 1747-1824
> 1
> 9. Peters, Sarah Lester Thorn, 1869-1942
> 1
> 10. Peters, Stewart, 1862-1933
> 2
> 11. Peters, Thomas Davis, 1857-1945
> 1
> 12. Pieters
> 4
> 13. Pieterse
> 1
> 14. Piets
> 1
> 15. Piters, Pier
> 1
> 16. Poitiers
> 1
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Item#3
>CALL NUMBER
>US/CAN
>BOOK AREA
>929.273
>A1
>no. 5106
>
>AUTHOR
>Austin, Jeannette H. (Jeannette Holland), 1936-.
>
>TITLE
>Wynne, 1550-1800 / by Jeannette H. Austin.
>
>PUBLICATION INFORMATION
>Riverdale, Ga. : J.H. Austin, [1985?].
>
>FORMAT
>[10] leaves
>
>NOTES
>With: Williams, ca.1640-1905 / Jeannette H. Austin. Riverdale, Ga. :
>J.H. Austin, [1985?].
>
>CONTENTS
>Robert Wynne (1622-1675) immigrated from England to Charles City
>County,
> Virginia and married widow Mary Poythress (widow of Francis Poy-
> thress). Descendants and relatives lived in Virginia and
>elsewhere.
> Includes ancestry in England.
>Includes Woodleif and related families.
> US/CAN
>ADDITIONAL FORMATS FILM
>AREA
>Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by -------------- 1321107
> the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1986. on 1 item 22
> microfilm reel ; 35 mm.
>
>THIS RECORD FOUND UNDER
> 1. Wynne
> 2. Poythress
> 3. Woodlief
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxx
>Item #4
>CALL NUMBER
>US/CAN
>BOOK AREA
>929.273
>A1
>no. 5816
>
>AUTHOR
>Dotson, Flora B.
>
>TITLE
>Analysis of Cheney Boyce, Richard Tye, and John Coggan and Poythress;
>/ by
>Flora B. Dotson ; The Pace-Poythress land transactions ; Continuation
>of
>the Pace-Poythress connection ; The Richard Pace-Richard Baker
>question ;
>Research notes on Rebecca Cocgan and Major Francis Poythress,
>supplement ;
>Research notes on Poythress ; Research notes on Littlebury Eppes
>(Epes).
>
>PUBLICATION INFORMATION
>1987-1988.
>
>FORMAT
>37 leaves.
>
>NOTES
>Typescript.
>
>CONTENTS
>John Cogan married Joyce, the widow of Richard Tye in 1659. Their
> daughter Rebecca was born ca. 1660 and married Major Francis
> Poythress who died in 1688. Their daughter Rebecca Poythress
> was married to Richard Pace by 1699. Includes additional
> genealogical analysis of various family relationships.
> Many family members lived in Charles City County, Virginia.
>Includes Epes, Pace, Kirkland, Ardington, Knowles, and related
>families.
>Includes index.
>Consists of a series of articles written by the author, 1987-1988.
>
>THIS RECORD FOUND UNDER
> 1. Poythress
> 2. Tye
> 3. Cogan
> 4. Boyce
> 5. Pace
> 6. Kirkland
> 7. Ardington
> 8. Epes
> 9. Knowles
> I. The Pace-Poythress land transactions
> II. Continuation of the Pace-Poythress connection
> III. The Richard Pace-Richard Baker question
> IV. Research notes on Rebecca Cocgan and Major Francis Poythress,
> supplement
> V. Research notes on Poythress
> VI. Research notes on Littlebury Eppes (Epes)
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxx
>Item #6
>CALL NUMBER
>US/CAN
>BOOK AREA
>929.273
>A1
>no. 5816
>
>AUTHOR
>Dotson, Flora B.
>
>TITLE
>Analysis of Cheney Boyce, Richard Tye, and John Coggan and Poythress;
>/ by
>Flora B. Dotson ; The Pace-Poythress land transactions ; Continuation
>of
>the Pace-Poythress connection ; The Richard Pace-Richard Baker
>question ;
>Research notes on Rebecca Cocgan and Major Francis Poythress,
>supplement ;
>Research notes on Poythress ; Research notes on Littlebury Eppes
>(Epes).
>
>PUBLICATION INFORMATION
>1987-1988.
>
>FORMAT
>37 leaves.
>
>NOTES
>Typescript.
>
>CONTENTS
>John Cogan married Joyce, the widow of Richard Tye in 1659. Their
> daughter Rebecca was born ca. 1660 and married Major Francis
> Poythress who died in 1688. Their daughter Rebecca Poythress
> was married to Richard Pace by 1699. Includes additional
> genealogical analysis of various family relationships.
> Many family members lived in Charles City County, Virginia.
>Includes Epes, Pace, Kirkland, Ardington, Knowles, and related
>families.
>Includes index.
>Consists of a series of articles written by the author, 1987-1988.
>
>THIS RECORD FOUND UNDER
> 1. Poythress
> 2. Tye
> 3. Cogan
> 4. Boyce
> 5. Pace
> 6. Kirkland
> 7. Ardington
> 8. Epes
> 9. Knowles
> I. The Pace-Poythress land transactions
> II. Continuation of the Pace-Poythress connection
> III. The Richard Pace-Richard Baker question
> IV. Research notes on Rebecca Cocgan and Major Francis Poythress,
> supplement
> V. Research notes on Poythress
> VI. Research notes on Littlebury Eppes (Epes)
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Item #7
>CALL NUMBER
>US/CAN
>BOOK AREA
>929.273
>B812me
>
>AUTHOR
>Merrill, Eleanor Brown.
>
>TITLE
>A Virginia heritage / by Eleanor Brown Merrill.
>
>PUBLICATION INFORMATION
>[Richmond, Va. : Press of Whittet & Shepperson], 1968.
>
>COPYRIGHT DATE
>1968
>
>FORMAT
>xi, 186 p. : facsim. forms., geneal. tables, maps, ports.
>
>CONTENTS
>Includes index
>
>THIS RECORD FOUND UNDER
> 1. Brown
> 2. Willcox
> 3. Poythress
>
>
>

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RE: John PoythressJames L. PooleLyn, in the interest of saving bandwidth, I'll simply refer you to
where you can find the transcript in question. If you will click the
"Allied Family Information" button on the Poythress home page, then
click "Study of the Poythress Family & Wall Family, by Lou Poole,"
and then do a search ("find on this page") for "I John Poytres Senr."
[without the quotes], it will take you directly to the will you
wanted.

If you have any problem locating it this way, let me know and I will
send out a text, unformatted, copy.

But I'm now confused by my own words. In the light of a new day, I
don't find Mary Batte listed anywhere in the will. It appears that
the day I wrote that I was careless and copied the wrong citation,
for immediately below the will (in the paper I wrote, and provided
directions to above) is a quoted excerpt from "Boddie, John Bennett,
Historical Southern Families, Vol. IV, p. 35" in which he says "This
John Poythress is seemingly the one who married Mary Batte." [meaning
John, son of the John who wrote the will]. Bodie cited "P.G. D.B.
1713-28; 428" with this statement. I do not have the latter.

Lou Poole

On Monday, March 09, 1998 4:03 PM, llbaird@juno.com
[SMTP:llbaird@juno.com] wrote:
> Greetings, Lou. Your 2/9/98 response to Pauline Pierce included
the
> following:
>
> "And then later on in the same "chapter" we have John, son of John
> Poythress and Christian Peebles, listed as marrying Mary Batte
(source:
> "Prince George County Deeds, Wills, Etc. 1710-1713, Book B, pp.
175-177"
> - The Southside Virginian, Vol. IX, No. 4, Oct-Dec 1991, pp.
154-155.)"
>
> If you (or another lister) would be so kind as to post this
original PG
> citation, or an abstract thereof, to the list, it would be
appreciated.
> OR, IF the above reference is to the 1712 will of John Poythress
(posted
> in abstract by Lea Dowd on 2/9), then just let me know this is the
> case.
>
> I am doing some follow-up analysis on Lea Dowd's recent
> contributions on this subject, and would like a look at the
above-mentioned puzzle
> piece.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
>
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>		03/09/1998 4:34:43
Wagnon/PoythressVKRatliffBelow as information. Maynard
>
Subj: Poythress/Wagnon link?
Date: 98-03-09 14:07:33 EST
From: soup@simplynet.net (Paul Wagnon)
To: vkratliff@aol.com (vkratliff)

Hello Maynard

Thank you for the information and advice. I looked on the Poythress
queries & research notes and found the item I mentioned about the
witnessing of the deed between John Peter Wagnon and Thomas Wagnon ( item
#5 ) I think a Wagnon signed the petition mentioned in item #7. I can't
find my notes on that. I photo-copied it from a book in a library and
put it in a "safe" place.

Since the Wagnon and Poythress families evidently came through Virginia, I
am trying to work toward there. We have some of the Augusta Chronicle
references and have started to look at film. (slow process) I had no
idea that Alice Walker is where we could contact her. I believe we will
contact her at least to thank her for the work she has done.

I believe you are right about looking for a Poyrhress daughter marriage
with a Wagnon. The European custom of names is evident in a lot of our
lines.

I live in Duncan, Oklahoma and we have our local genealogy library and an
excellent genealogy library in Lawton Oklahoma and one in Oklahoma City in
the State Historical Society Building.

My wife Ramona and my daughter in law have put some of our family research
on line if you care to look at it. The URL is ---
http://www.simplynet.net/soup

Let me know if you run into anything and If I can find the other references
I will send them.

Yours,

Paul Wagnon
Duncan, Okla.		03/09/1998 10:23:32
3-12-98 Out of TownCharles NealFolks,

Last night, Maynard asked me to pass on the below message. I, too, will be
out of town for a bit -- from now until Tuesday, 3/17.
Best,
BPN
>>>
Looks to me like Rootsweb is down again. If its not back up until tomorrow
AM would you pls tell the group for me that I'll be out Thurs to Thurs so
no one will expect any answers from me on specific questions.
Thanks		03/12/1998 8:07:19
Web PageDARTBOBDear Friends and Cousins,

I've updated my genealogy web page at

http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/ship/208/index.html

Surnames with numerous individual entries are:

ADAMS-115, BOLLING-229, BRYAN-119, BURKS-634, CARTER-134, CLAY-135,
COLEMAN-762, DAVIS-124, DUGGAN-96, FLEMING-124, GARDNER-392, HARRIS-536,
JONES-96, JORDAN-91, KEMERER-435, LONG-116, MANNING-62, MARCHAND-68,
MARION-1116, MEEKS-76, MILLER-119, MURRAY-202, PERCY/DE PERCY-75,
PRIOR/PRYOR-68, ROBINSON/ROBERTSON-59, SCOTT-116, SIMONS-117, SMITH-225,
STOEVER/STIVER/STAVER/STOVER-133, TURMAN-50, TURNER-57, WAGNER-79, WALL-52,
WATKINS-81, WOLFF-51, WILDENHAUS-63, WILLIAMS-70.

Please remember that this is a trial genealogy. There are numerous instances
of non-connections and errors. When you find one, please let me know.

Many thanks to Leslie Howard for his program, GED2WWW, and his helpfulness via
e-mail. Special thanks to Bob Duggan, my Burks Cousins and my Murray Cousins
who have all helped with the numerous recent additions to this genealogy.
Thanks and appreciation to everyone I've neglected to mention. (You all know
I'm dumb, forgetful and thoughtless.)

I plan to be updating this database at least twice a month, so check back. It
ain't done 'til I can claim and identify kinship with everyone in the world.

Sincerely,

Harris R. (Bob) Manning, Charleston, SC, CSA

Main: http://members.aol.com/DARTBOB/index.html
Genealogy: http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/ship/208/
Flags of the South: http://members.aol.com/csaflags/index.html
American Legion: http://members.tripod.com/~bodart/index.html

p. s. If you don't know why you got this, I'm sorry. Somehow you got into one
of my e-mail address lists.		03/13/1998 4:08:46
HelloCarla SpeedHi!
I' d like to take the time to Introduce myself to all my fellow relatives I
may or may not know. My name is Carla Speed , I'm 35 years old and Have
two children Mary Speed
age 14 and Justin Valenta age 9, We live in Logansport, IN. I am the
daughter of
Carl W. Speed of Cartersville, GA and the granddaughter of the late
Margaret Poythress
Speed Clancy.
I look forward to hearing from some of you in the near future.
Thank-you for you time, Carla speed

speed@cqc.com		03/13/1998 9:16:58
Re: HelloBeetle72Carla,
Nice to meet you! I am Barbara Poythress Wolfe, a descendant of David
Poythress and his second wife Sally Dortch.

We're transplanted Floridians, retired and now living in Southern California.

Do jump right in here with your queries, etc. We have a great bunch of
Poythress folks ready to help and share.

Sincerely, Barbara (BPW)

03/15/1998 9:03:49
David Poythress, Lucy PoytressplassAm I wrong or did I once see info on the net about David Poythress and
wife, Sally? Also is there anyone who knows anymore about their children?
I am descended from their daughter, Lucy, who married James H. Twisdale,
Jr.. Did she have brothers or sisters? Is one of them Charles married to
Indiana? Thought I had seen this once but can't remember where. Would
appreciate any help!!

Phyllis Lassiter

03/15/1998 10:12:33
Re: HelloBPoythressHi Carla,

Welcome aboard and great to have you join with us.

I'm not a very active one, but I listen a lot! And the others do a fantastic
job.

I am one of the older ones, just maybe, the oldest, and fellow-member Maynard
Poythress says "I'm older than dirt!" - that about says it all. However, oudr
oldest grandson just turned 30 last month! -- Now, that DOES SAY IT ALL.

I currently live in Wilmington, NC but originally I am a Savannah, Georgia
native who settled here because we have our "only daughter" living here who
has given us 5 grandchildren. That's good enough reason, don't you think?

A note that may be of interest. Maynard, mentioned above, and his lovely wife
Jean of Louisville, KY met myself and our #3 grandson, 14 year old David, this
past weekend at the Days Inn Motel in Sylvania, GA where we went searching in
a very heavily wooded area about 3-4 miles out of town while crawling on hands
and knees in the darnest thicket (an area about 30' by 30') of briars the
size of a very fat thumb(!) and overgrown brush in the middle of woods located
at what seemed like nowheres - to see if we just might find something worth
recording and reporting and/or the worth the use of our time and energies.

BINGO! We found the grave markers, broken and buried, of John Maner and Rhoda
POYTHRESS, dating from about 1864! - So, who is John and Rhoda P? Well, they
were/are Maynard's great-grandparents! and my half-great-Uncle and Aunt. And
we're already planning for a return site visit, and this time to be a little
better prepared since now we know what to expect. We also found some Scott
family members buried (man, wife and two daughters) there, and in another very
nearby area, the Mills Family burial site, but nothing further this time --
but feel another visit might prove worth the efforts.

I and grandson David returned just this afternoon at about 3:15 PM but Maynard
and Jean went on into Savannah today, and will be returning to Louisville on
Wednesday, I understand. And I know you will be getting a "Welcome Aboard"
message from him when he returns as well as more on our find and we'll have to
see just how our pictures turn our, etc.

Maynard and I have staked our Poythress claimed connection back to Thomas
Poythress of /Brunswich/Dimwiddie County, VA who with most of his family
migrated to Burke County, GA in the late 1780's and finally, for the most
part, settled in the a-joining Screven County. From Thomas; to son Meredith
(Sr); and to Meredith Poythress, Jr. where Maynard and I then split. Me from
Meredith (Jr) and his first wife Hetty Wilder and Maynard from him and his 2nd
wife Susan R. Maner.

But enought on that for now and you'll be hearing more I'm sure when Maynard
returns home. But welcome aboard and it's good to have you join us.

Buy, Cuz,

Bud or rather -

LeRoof "Bud" Poythress, s/o Joseph Eugene and Martha (Gnann) Poythress, Sr.

P.S. - While we were in GA I was driving around with a "Elect David
Poythress" Guv! bumper sticker on the back bumper of my car - Maynard is
David's older brother, and he sent it to me and ordered that I put it on!
Which I did too!		03/15/1998 10:23:12
David PoythressplassI was asked for birth and death dates on David but I do not have those -
the only info I have now is that David Poythress married Sally Speed Dortch
on 3-15-1848 in Warren Co., NC. On the 1850 Mecklenburg Co., Va. census,
they are listed as David, age 44, and Sally, age 32; on the 1860 Warren
Co.,NC census, listed as David, age 53 and Sally, 40. Wondering if their
son was Charles D. Poythress who married Indiana Twisdale (daughter of
James H. and Tabitha) on 12-8-1870 in possibly Warren Co.,NC.
Daughter, Lucy Poythress, born 11-29-1851 in Warren Co. and died 8-9-1922
in Halifax Co., NC, married James H. Twisdale, Jr. on 12-25-1870 probably
in Warren Co. Not sure if all of these dates are correct but it's all I
have. Thanks again for any help!		03/16/1998 1:43:13
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James Edward & Lewis PoythressSarah PoythressHello,

Does anyone out there know the children & their spouses of James Edward and Catherine Preston Poythress? How about Lewis and Rebecca Poythress' siblings also?

Thank for any help.

Sarah Poythress
03/16/1998 9:59:31
Re: David Poythress, Lucy PoytressBeetle72Phyllis,
I am descended from Charles Poythress and his wife Indiana Peru nee Twisdale.
And just discovered this past year through Jim Richardson, a Twisdale
researcher, that Charles had two sisters, your Lucy and another named Alice.
Alice married John R. Twisdale.

Charles is the son of David and his wife Sally Dortch. And there is some
information under charts on the Poythress Webpage about David and Lewis
Poythress of Mecklenburg Co., VA.

Best, Barbara (BPW)

03/16/1998 10:39:17
Where is everyone???Sarah PoythressHello Out There,

Where is everyone? I am not getting anything on the list. It looks deserted.

Sarah

03/17/1998 8:18:09
Where is everyone???Sarah PoythressHello is anyone here? Is something wrong with my e-mail or is everyone gone?

Sarah
03/17/1998 8:51:05
3-17-98 James Edw PoythressCharles NealWelcome aboard, to Carla. You probably know that you have cousins in some
of the folks on this board, including Judy & Al & Patti, but those of us
who are more distantly related welcome you, too.

Sarah, welcome back from Florida, & Bud, welcome back from Georgia. (I've
been out, too, and will be out again parts of this week, but hope to get
caught up by the weekend.)

Sarah, there is a listing of all of the children who I know of, for James
Edward Poythress & his wife Catherine Preston, in an old Bible-type family
record from my family line. It includes the spouses of the ones who
married. If Al doesn't have it posted yet on the Poythress website, he
will have it there soon. He already has the graphics file of the old
document, thanks to Carol Morrison, one of our members. Basically the
children in that record are listed as follows, all noted as being born in
Mecklenburg Co, VA. The parents & all these children had moved from
Mecklenburg Co, VA (or "near Petersburg" as Rebecca said in a newspaper
article on the occasion of a birthday interview when she was around 90) in
apparently Winter of 1852-53 to Sumter County, AL, which is just across the
stateline from Meridian, MS.

- Joshua Lewis Poythress, born 10 Nov 1828; marr. Elizabeth J. Crowder 17
Oct 1852 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [though they got the Marriage License in
Warren Co, NC]. He died 12 Jun 1854 in Sumter Co, AL; his wife died 1 Jun
of 18(59?). Their only child, a son, was b. 30 Nov 1853 in Sumter Co, AL &
died at 8 months old 21 Jul 1854 in Sumter Co. AL
- Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830; d. 11 Mar 1862
Charlottesville, VA [in CSA Hospital. As far as I know, he never married]
- William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832; d. 26 Jun 1854 [as far as I
know, he never married. I figure he & Joshua (above) died of the same
fever/illness sweeping thru the area, since they died only 2 weeks apart]
- Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838; marr (1) William Gilbert 24
Apr 1856 in Sumter Co, AL; [though it is not in the above old document, she
marr (2) Daniel O. McKinley some years later, after Gilbert died]; she died
in 1889 in Binnsville, Mississippi
- Rebecca B. J. Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840; marr. John D. Lavender 20 Dec
1860 in Sumter Co, AL; [though it is not in the old record, she died 28 Jan
1936 in East Lake, now part of Birmingham, AL. Her tombstone in East Lake
Cemetery shows her birthdate as 10 Nov 1838]
- Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 4 Aug 1843; marr. David L. Bennett 7 Feb
1867 in Sumter Co, AL; d. Dec 1915 in Meridian, MS
- Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844; marr. Ellen B. McKinley 25
Aug 1868 in Sumter Co, AL; d. 11 Apr 1918 in Meridian, MS
- Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848; marr. Robert N. McKinley in
Sumter Co, AL; [though the old record doesn't show her death, she died 26
Aug 1920 in East Lake, now part of Birmingham, AL. She & her husband are
buried near her sister Rebecca, above, and Rebecca's husband, in East Lake
Cemetery; the tombstone for V.P. has the same birthdate as the old record
has for her]

Since this old list that came down thru my family doesn't include the John
Lewis Poythress who you initially inquired about, you can see why I'm so
interested in learning more about his lineage. I'll be out again a lot
until the weekend, but look forward to us, together, putting more pieces of
the Poythress puzzle in place.

Barbara Poythress Neal		03/17/1998 11:00:56
Fun with Family History[Warning: The following message is devoid of Poythress content!]

Like some of you, I think living people are generally more fun than dead
ones. So sharing the family history and its pursuit with others (such as
you listers!) is a big motivation for me. In this vein I want to share
with you an exchange I recently had. My parents sent me a clipping from
their local newspaper, The South Hill Enterprise (South Hill, Mecklenburg
Co., Va.) of a letter published from a young man in Houston, Texas, which
read in part as follows:

"To the editor: My name is Brian Maverick Cannon and I am 18 years
old...I have a request that I would like put in your paper. I have been
told that I am the first Cannon boy from my father's side of the family
to graduate high school with full honors...My dream is to know and to be
able to pass on some of the Cannon history to my sister Vickie. I can
tell you what little I know and maybe you can put this letter in your
paper and maybe someone can make my dream come true to know where, who
and what the Cannons are all about. My dad is Willis Cannon and his
father was Edward Cannon. My great grandfather was Joe Cannon who was
one of the only surviving Cannons of a massacre that happened in
MacKienburg (sic) County, VA..."

Although Maverick and I have neither met nor known of one another, we are
cousins. Between my mother's memories and my research, she and I pieced
together the following letter in response:

"Dear Maverick Cannon,

This is in response to your letter published in the January 28, 1998
issue of the South Hill Enterprise seeking information on your family.
Like you I reside in Houston, Texas, and, although we have never met, we
share the same twice-great-grandparents, William Williamson Cannon and
Henrietta Ball Taylor. The history of our shared family has not been
fully studied and includes some mysteries, but what is known is
interesting.

Williamson's father was Archibald (Archer) Cannon, a farmer and
millwright at Boyd's Mill on Roanoke River. Family legend holds that
Archer's widowed mother was cheated out of the family farm by a family
confidant designated by Archer's father, Thomas, to be executor of his
estate. The public record hints at this possibility, but seems to
indicate a stepmother rather than a mother. No doubt such an event,
along with the subsequent hardships of the Civil War, would have greatly
influenced Archer and his family.

Williamson's mother was Rebecca Kidd, daughter of John B. Kidd, a farmer
of considerable means, and of Elizabeth M. Rainey. Elizabeth's father
was Williamson Rainey, Sr., a Revolutionary War veteran and Christian
layman instrumental in the planting of Methodism in the community. It
was after Rebecca's grandfather that Williamson, the first of her six
sons, was named. Rebecca might have been influenced in her own Christian
faith by her grandfather; an issue of her subscription to The Methodist
Recorder, published in Blackstone, Virginia, is preserved in the
Washington Street Methodist Church in Petersburg, Virginia. Williamson
Rainey, Sr., is buried at his houseplace just off Gaulding Road (627)
near Marengo, Mecklenburg County (in his own words, "by the side of the
Garden under some apple trees which I reserve for a grave yard and which
I desire to be walled in with rock"). Archer and Rebecca are buried at
their houseplace west of the intersection of River Road (SR903) and
Blackridge Road (SR626) in Mecklenburg County.

Henrietta's parents were William Nay Murat Taylor, a wheelwright and
buggy maker, and Alpha Ann Bishop, both of Brunswick County. They are
buried in the Taylor family cemetery on Browns Creek Road near
Gholsonville in Brunswick County. Alpha's epitaph reads, "As a wife,
devoted / As a mother, affectionate / As a friend, ever kind and true."
William's reads, "May the resurrection find thee on the bosom of thy
God."

Williamson and Henrietta resided in a simple, two-story farmhouse which
stands to this day opposite 1717 Hall Road (SR620) near Blackridge,
Mecklenburg County. It was while there that Williams
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on died at age
thirty-eight, and was buried in the Kidd cemetery at Confederate Avenue
and Hall Road. A plain, unlettered fieldstone marks his grave.
Henrietta was left a young widow to raise their children. Three sons and
three daughters would survive to maturity, including your
great-grandfather Joseph (Joe) and my great-grandmother Mary Ella
(Molly). Sometime after Williamson died, Henrietta gathered the children
into the buggy and traveled the several miles to Woodlands plantation in
Brunswick County to pay Dr. John Brodnax for care of Williamson in his
last illness. Dr. Brodnax refused payment and sent them back home. In
later years Henrietta cared tirelessly for invalid and sick people in the
community that would have had little care otherwise. Eventually she
remarried and both she and her second husband are buried near her parents
in the Taylor cemetery near Gholsonville.

Williamson and Henrietta were both long dead when the family and the
community were shocked by a grim event. On March 31, 1933, sixty-five
years ago this month, four Cannon kinsmen were coldly murdered in a case
that was never tried and never solved. The victims, spanning three
generations, were Willis and Benjamin (Jake) Cannon, brothers of
Williamson; Thomas (Tommy) Cannon, son of Williamson; and John William
(Bill) Cannon, son of Joe and grandson of Williamson. The killings were
well-covered in the newspapers at the time and have been revisited in
newspapers several times over the years. Instead of again rehearsing how
they died, I will share something of how this extraordinary household
lived.
These four men, all bachelors, kept house and farmed together. Their
land stretched along the rolling lowgrounds of Great Creek of Roanoke
River, partially occupied today by the Great Creek Landing subdivision.
The house was located just south of Nellie Jones Road (619) and west of
Great Creek Drive and was only demolished within the past ten years.
This bachelor household originally consisted of Willis, Jake, and a
younger brother, Peter David. It was not, however, always and only male.
First their widowed mother, Rebecca, joined them. Then to relieve
Henrietta after the death of Williamson, Rebecca and they took in
Henrietta's youngest children, Tommy and Julia, to raise. The red-haired
Julia, as a young woman renowned for her beauty and fine clothes, was a
favorite of her uncles. Julia eventually married and moved out; Tommy
remained to take up adult membership in the bachelor household. Rebecca
died there in 1897; Peter in 1923. Later Joe's son, Bill, joined the
household.

Even in a time of simplicity and self-reliance, this household stood out
as remarkably self-contained. The Cannons even made their own furniture
in a woodworking shop at their father's place, simple yet elegant pieces
crafted of oak, native cherry, and black walnut. A particularly handsome
bed, used by Jake, had been part of a whole suite of furniture made by
Willis, Jake and Peter. The suite was a wedding gift for their younger
brother, Jesse, who had fallen to his death in a barn-raising just days
before his wedding. His mother, Rebecca, had been baking pies that
morning. Jesse came through the house and started bothering Rebecca for
a taste of pie. She shooed him off until dinnertime, but by then, he was
dead. In later years Rebecca would recall how this added a haunt of
regret to her grief.

Jake, remembered as being a quiet man, was the housekeeper and cook. He
kept an immaculate house, scouring the floors and even the furniture with
white sand and water. In the yard there was a long, narrow table, on
which each evening Jake would place an individual washbowl of water and a
clean towel for each of them. Bill is recalled as a robust young man,
keen with a gun and much taken with automobiles. Willis and Tommy did
the field work and had a way with farm animals. Willis had a prized bull
which he kept almost as a pet, much to the dismay of his niece, Molly,
who worried the bull would turn on him. At the time of his death Tommy
was training a yo
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ung mule, Nellie. I remember that mule! Molly's
husband, Walter Morris, finished training the mule, which outlived both
Walter and Molly and died at a ripe old age in the care of their daughter
and my grandmother, Carrie.

Although they had little formal schooling, they were a literate people;
some letters between family members survive. Through their quiet
generosity these men helped obtain advanced education for more than one
youth in the community. The older Cannons were reclusive; except to
visit with family, Jake and Willis were rarely seen away from home. They
were reputed to distrust banks and were said to keep considerable money
on the farm; a reputation believed to motivate their killings. My father
remembers his father announcing at the supper table one evening that he
had visited the Cannons that day and had found them smoothing their paper
money with a flatiron. Though seen as mysterious and aloof by outsiders,
family members remembered them fondly.

They are buried in a small cemetery just over the hill behind the house,
near their kinsman Peter; an obelisk marks each grave. Julia, childless
and knowing she was dying of cancer, asked not to receive her portion of
the estate settlement. She accepted as here sickbed the bed intended for
Jesse so many years before and she died in that bed, cared for to the
last by my grandmother, Carrie, and other relatives. Julia is buried at
Rehobeth Methodist Church near Blackridge. After the estate was settled
your great-grandparents, Joe Cannon and Sarah Lynch, occupied the house.
They are buried in the family cemetery near their slain kinsmen.

You come of stock that exhibited the characteristics of their community
and times - simplicity, ingenuity, self-reliance, independence, industry,
sobriety, faith - but to a degree perhaps exaggerated by their own family
history, and which in turn influence the family even to this day. You
are blessed to have an interest in your family and history at such a
young age. Some folks do not take an interest in such things until they
are older and there is no one knowledgeable left living to answer
questions. Most folks never take an interest at all. I encourage you to
continue inquiring; you will not be disappointed in what you find.

Your third cousin,
Lyn Poythress Baird"

We sent it to the Enterprise and they plan to publish it soon. Maverick
has not yet received his copy. When he does, I can only hope he has a
tenth as much fun in the reading of it as I had in the writing of it.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Field Trip Report Screven County, GA.VKRatliffJackpot for me on g-g-grandfather/mother.....not quite there for Bud and me on
our mutual g-g-g-grandfather.

I probably should wait until my head clears but the Sylvania trip was highly
eventful. Its 11PM Wed. and we just got in from Savannah....and this one's
pretty exciting.

Bud drove down from Wilmington to meet me with another one of his grandsons
(another one of those Settie P. Jones boys that makes a guy cry that he
doesn't have a housefull of daughters....although this one was a little too
young for marrying off just yet).

A little quick background on mine and Bud's kinship is furnished here to make
the story a little clearer. Bud descends from Meredith Poythress, Jr. by
Meredith's first wife Hester Wilder Mock and I descend from Meredith
Poythress, Jr. by Meredith's
second wife Susan R. Maner, one of whose sons was John Maner Poythress who
would be my g-g-grandfather. We were looking for the presumably lost and gone
forever graves of John Maner Poythress (26 Jul 1832-1 Oct 1866) and his wife
Rhoda E. Gross (3 Mar 1828-9 May 1884).

I'm not sure what that technically means in "defining" mine and Bud's
relationship but it does sort of make the point that John M. & Rhoda were
important to me in and of themselves and not quite so important to Bud. But
Bud and I are equally interested in finding the grave site of Meredith, Jr. if
at all possible. And the grave site of a son (given that all those folks
lived within a few miles of each other....and
"family cemetery" could mean just about anything) might at least be a decent
clue.

Anyway, to the chase.....we went to dinner Fri. night with my cousin Adele
Bazemore and her son Jimmy (a guy only a year or two younger than I) who had
the original story: "well I stumbled on this bunch of old half buried and
broken and knocked over stones about 30 years ago and I remembered one of them
had "Poythress" on it"....and I'm busy tomorrow (Sat.) but my brother Don (on
whose property the place is) knows about where it is also and he'll take you
guys in the morning.

We turned off one obscure road and onto an even more obscure one for about 3/8
of a mile. We drove right up to two graveyards one would almost never
find....one for a Mills family that was surrounded by a four foot 27' x 27'
cement block wall and thus undamaged altho unkempt and replete with weeds
etc.. It contained the MIlls mother and father and what appeared to be four
children who either died at birth or quite young as there were no dates on
their very small headstones. Don said the Mills family left the county years
ago but I still documented the text on the stones as the GDAH is into a
project to "inventory" all Ga. graves and this will be a natural for them.

Almost adjoining this cemetery and almost invisible and with almost
impenetrable
briars (just as advertised by Jimmy before the fact) was a "patch" about 20' x
20'
with only two upright headstones and a small group of grave fragments just
lying around.

(We observed from this and other same period graves that the custom was to
place an upright marker for a head stone and then a foot stone at the foot,
usually about a
6" x 6" x 3" shape for the part sticking out of the ground and almost always
with initials of the individual. There were no "full slab" type gravestones
such as we see today).

The story was apparently true that cows had been allowed to "run" in this area
as
4 or so (and thats about ALL but two or three of the graves we found) head
stones had the top part broken off and a remaining "footer" below the bottom
part of the remaining head stone. We quickly figured out that all the "text"
was typically in the broken off top half as the remaining and upright bottom
parts were blank...almost as if they were looking for a flood or something.

Bud's grandson David found a foot stone and said here's one with JLP on it. I
tossed him the bag of flour (unbleached & non-self-rising 🙂 and paint brush
and said (half joking) "see if you can make that "L" into an "M".....and he
did. Then we rooted around in the area of the head stone footers and lower
halves.....sort of in a circle...figuring they couldn't have fallen far...and
since the cemetery did not look to have been deliberately vandalized.

And to make a long story short, some digging where we probed into something
solid and with a little digging up they came from under a few inches of dirt
and woods "mast" on them:

IN MEMORY OF
John M. Poythress
Born July 26, 1832
Died October 1, 1866
Quiet Rest our Angel Father

IN MEMORY OF
Rhoda E. Poythress
Born Mar 28, 1828
Died May 9, 1884
Quiet Rest our Angel Mother.

We also found a new "customer".....J. W. Poythress March 21, 1865 to May 5,
1877....so presumably he'll turn up in the 1870 census and no other. If he
doesn't I'm going to make him a son of John M. if I can link his birthdate
with John M.'s 1864 orders (which we have) to return home to Screven from the
Army of Tennessee and "search for deserters". That logic will hang together
with son Horace Cullen Poythress being b. 1867.

Anyway, Don Bazemore, heretofore unfairly maligned by whispering kinfolks as
the bad guy who was keeping the location a secret etc. etc......got the job
done for us.
And when he said, now just who is this guy?.....your two sly agents said why,
Don this is YOUR g-g-g-grandfather. That HAD to be worth a nickel or two in
the deal.

And Bud doesn't even know this but I went back the following morning just to
take Jean and the stones (tops and bottoms) were gone......Don had shown
disappointment the previous day when Bud and I didn't want to impose on him
when he said he'd take them to his home and wash them off.....so I figure he
has done just that and I'll make it a lead pipe cinch that he is going to get
them re-joined at the breaks. And moving them out of that area temporarily
also ties in with Don's statement that if we wished he'd move the other
"debris" type stones just so he could bush-hog out all the briars and we could
grid the thing off and make a systematic probe of all the ground in that area
when we go there for family reunion in August.

Thats about it I suppose. In addition to answering any questions or providing
any omitted details, I figure there are 4 things left to do for the group now
and prior to our systmatic probe:

1) post the inventory of all the graves with inscriptions.....even got some
Scotts for
you, Craig. I'll get to that next day or two.

2) go to work on "J. W. Poythress".....from whence he came, etc. Since he
died
at 12 he's not going to particularly "lead" anywhere but we do need to
"slot" him
even if it has to be qualified as speculation.

3) work on our "clues" with respect to where Meredith Poythress, Jr. might be
and this assumes that we won't find him in this particular cemetery in
August but
then again maybe we will.

4) Bud and I will get our pics developed and get them scanned in for the
group.

I'm sure I missed something.....help me out, would you Bud....or anybody.

Nite All,

Maynard		03/18/1998 5:39:52
Citations - Mecklenburg Order BooksI just picked up the following information in Boydton, Va. (See more
about Mecklenburg court order book series in a separate message also
being sent today.) Some questions to think about as you read:

1) "admix de bonis non" Would anyone happen to have a guess as to what
this means, or what the real phrase was that I was mis-transcribing?

2) "Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c." Would anyone happen to have the
deed book citation? I'm curious who the "& c." was.

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Citations from Mecklenburg County Court Order Books; transcribed from
original bound volumes, Clerk's Office, Boydton, Va., by Lyn Baird on
3/16/98:

>From Superior Court Order Book No. 1 (1809-1820); screen of first-party
index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
-p. 283 April Term 1818 "David Dortch, John Hutcheson S. [C.?] Surviving
Commissioners of David Dortch, John Hutcheson, Son Charles, & John Dortch
Commissioners appointed to Carry into effect a decree entered on the
petition of Mary Ferrell widow of Hutchens Ferrell [Pers.? Plaintiffs?] /
against / Edward Delany & John R. Lucas Defds } In Debt / It appearing to
the Satisfaction of the Court that David Dortch one of the [plaintiffs?]
in this Suit is dead. Therefore this Suit abates against him"
-p. ? November Term 1818 "Charles & George D. Baskervill administrators
of David Dortch, decd / against / John Davis" (Note: Daniel [Q.?]
Hicks is witness for plaintiff as testifying to existence of $122 note of
debt.)
-no Poythress first-party found
-p. 17 James Taylor
-pp. 349, 362 Thomas Taylor v. Thomas Jones
-p. 423 John Taylor v. John Cook

>From Superior Court Order Book No. 4 (1829-1831); screen of first-party
index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
-no Dortch first-party found
-no Poythress first-party found
-p. 31 April 1829 "William Taylor late sheriff of Mecklenburg who sue for
the benefit Puryear Thayer / against / James Young"
-p. 43 April 1829 "John Taylor who sue for the benefit of Martha Taylor
[admix de bonis non?] of Thomas Taylor dec'd / against / Daniel Middagh
Thomas [Suggett?] and Ezekiel Crowder"
p. 76 April 1829 "Precilla Taylor admix of James Taylor against james
Nolly & Ralph Hubbard"

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 1 (1833-1836); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-no Poythress first-party found

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 2 (1836-1840); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-no Poythress first-party found

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 3 (1840-1843); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-p. 203 March Court 1842 "David E. Poytress (sic) & wife to William H.
Moon for land with [?] of acknowledgement and relinquishment of Dower
thereon endorsed was received in Clerk's Office 31st Feby (sic) admitted
to record"
-p. 326 "Deed Trust James E. Poytress (sic) to Isaac Taylor, personal
estate, was ackno. in Office 13 Febry" (1843)

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 4 (1844-1848); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-p. 60 "A deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Poytress (sic) & wife to
David Poytress (sic) together with the certificates of acknowledgement
and relinquishment of Dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
Office the 19th August 1844 and admitted to record"
-p. 181 "A deed of Gift from Lewis Poythress (sic) to Lewis Y. Poythress
and Thomas M. Poythress for Land with certificate of acknowledgement was
received in Office 20th October 1845 & admitted"
-p. 405 "A Deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c.
to Charles D. Cleaton [?] [Sana?] together with the Certificate of
relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
Office the 6th day of January 1848 and admitted to record"
-p. 452 "Deed Trust Lewis Y. Poythress to [Williamson?] M. Pearson was
acknowledged & admitted to record"
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Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Mecklenburg Order Book OverviewGeneral Notes from research at Mecklenburg Co. Clerk's Office 3/16/98

I reviewed original bound volumes of order books. These are in poor
condition and unmanaged, in an upstairs storeroom off the main courtroom.
Five series of order books were found, of which three series are
characterized below. Most of the volumes are indexed, BUT ONLY BY FIRST
PARTY (plaintiff, grantor, etc.). Most of the volumes are stamped
indicating they have been microfilmed by the Virginia State Library
(VSL).

I have not utilized and am not familiar with microfilmed versions of
these records. It would be interesting to get corrections from any of
you who might be. Also, what about better tools? Are there better,
cross-referenced indices available? Are there searchable transcriptions
available? I happen to prefer to research the original volumes - easier
to read and more interesting locale! However, in this case, with the
poor condition and with some missing, a complete search at Boydton
appears not to be an option any longer.

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***Court Order Books: There was not time to characterize these. Of the
four series, this series contains the greatest amount of raw data. Book
1 starts in March 1765 and the first 12 books only cover the first 40
years (to 1805). The series exceeds twenty books, but some appeared to
be missing.

***Superior Court Order Books:

Book 1; 4/1809 to 9/1820; index in back; no VSL stamp; bound "Superior
Court Order Book No. 1"; labeled "Superior Court Order Book April 1809 -
Sept 1820"

Book 2; missing

Book 3; missing

Book 4; 4/1829 to 5/1831; index separate booklet; VSL reel #53 imaged
10/26/1979; bound "Orders"; labeled "Superior Court Order Book 4 April
1829 - May 1831"

Book 5; missing

Book ?; 10/1837 to 5/1850; no index; VSL reel #26 imaged 9/12/1979; bound
"Complete Records No. 1"; no label

***Court Quarterly Sessions:

Book 1; 3/1833 to 10/1836; index separate booklet; VSL reel #27 imaged
9/13/1979; bound "Order Book No. 1"; labeled "Ct. Quarterly Sessions Mar
1833 - Oct 1836"

Book 2; 11/1836 to 5/1840; index separate booklet; VSL reel #27 imaged
9/13/1979; bound "Order Book No. 2"; labeled "Ct. Quarterly Sessions Nov
1836 - May 1840"

Book 3; 6/1840 to 11/1843; index separate booklet; VSL reel #27/28 imaged
9/13/1979; binding missing

Book 4; 1/1844 to 12/1848; indexed; VSL reel #28 imaged 9/13/1979; bound
"Order Book No. 4"; labeled "County Court Jan 1844 - Dec 1848"

***Chancery Orders (old series):

Book 1; 10/1831 to ?/1844; index separate booklet; VSL reel #7 imaged
8/27/1979; bound "Chancery Orders No. 1"; no label

Book 2; 5/1845 to 12/1859; index separate booklet; VSL reel #13 imaged
8/30/1979; bound "Cir. Ct. Chan Orders No. 2"; no label

***Chancery Orders (new series): These begin ca. 1870. There are
numerous volumes; the series was not reviewed or characterized.
=========================================

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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WebpageVKRatliffPaul....re http://www.genforum.com/poythress.

Thanks for the tip. Found 3 names I never heard of who apparently are
researching the family. The interface on the "site" was so clunky I couldn't
bring up the "posts" but I was able to run down e-mail addresses and will
contact them.

Something that may be of interest to you. I have been chasing the Poythress
references in the "Telemon Cuyler" collection at Univ. of Georgia Hargrett
Library of
Rare Documents. Some guy had written an article in Natl. Gene. Soc. Quarterly
and I suppose used his own "indexing" system that the Hargrett people didn't
recognize. Anyway, I saw the same index again quoting the user and the date
of the article, etc. I'll try to run him down but that one looks bleak as the
article was
quite old and, as we all know, there aren't too many teenage genealogists.

The point of "knowledge" for me was that he listed both a Thomas Poythress and
Thomas Poythress, Jr. This doesn't clear up ALL (or even many)of our
questions on the Poythress list but it at least clarifies that there were two
of them. If OUR Thomas IS one of the Georgia imigrants he is likely "senior"
as we approximate his birthdate as 1735-40 and IF it is the same individual
who was Burke County sheriff we know his death date to be 1800. We have been
somewhat puzzled as to whether we were dealing with one, two, or three
Thomases.

As thin as the threads are on which we are pulling, its at least some clue to
find a
halfway rational reason to believe we are after two of them.

The implication for you I suppose is that if there really are two of them your
"window" to find the Poythress bride of a Wagnon is "enlarged". I'm not sure
that is particularly good news but at least it gives you a time frame to work
in. Going on a two Thomas supposition, I'd be inclined to rule out Thomas I.
That would then put you looking for a Thomas Poythress, Jr. daughter as a
bride for a Wagnon about, say, 1810 to 1830....just purely as a guess. Of
course, there is nothing that says it HAS to be a first generation daughter
but thats the way I'd be inclined to bet.

And just to offer you even more bad news, I don't think we have a scrap on a
Thomas other than Sheriff Thomas......unless of course Junior WAS the sheriff
and that doesn't appear likely at all.

Anyhow, I have you on my check list and will be looking for Thomas Poythress
Wagnon in Burke.....the county of the three times burned down courthouse. If
I find him I'll contact you and would appreciate hearing from you if you come
upon him.

Many thanks,

Maynard Poythress
[vkratliff@aol.com]		03/19/1998 4:28:00
Re: Citations - Mecklenburg Order BooksMurphyllbaird@juno.com wrote:
>
> I just picked up the following information in Boydton, Va. (See more
> about Mecklenburg court order book series in a separate message also
> being sent today.) Some questions to think about as you read:
>
> 1) "admix de bonis non" Would anyone happen to have a guess as to what
> this means, or what the real phrase was that I was mis-transcribing?
>
> 2) "Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c." Would anyone happen to have the
> deed book citation? I'm curious who the "& c." was.
>
> ============================================
> Citations from Mecklenburg County Court Order Books; transcribed from
> original bound volumes, Clerk's Office, Boydton, Va., by Lyn Baird on
> 3/16/98:
>
> >From Superior Court Order Book No. 1 (1809-1820); screen of first-party
> index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
> -p. 283 April Term 1818 "David Dortch, John Hutcheson S. [C.?] Surviving
> Commissioners of David Dortch, John Hutcheson, Son Charles, & John Dortch
> Commissioners appointed to Carry into effect a decree entered on the
> petition of Mary Ferrell widow of Hutchens Ferrell [Pers.? Plaintiffs?] /
> against / Edward Delany & John R. Lucas Defds } In Debt / It appearing to
> the Satisfaction of the Court that David Dortch one of the [plaintiffs?]
> in this Suit is dead. Therefore this Suit abates against him"
> -p. ? November Term 1818 "Charles & George D. Baskervill administrators
> of David Dortch, decd / against / John Davis" (Note: Daniel [Q.?]
> Hicks is witness for plaintiff as testifying to existence of $122 note of
> debt.)
> -no Poythress first-party found
> -p. 17 James Taylor
> -pp. 349, 362 Thomas Taylor v. Thomas Jones
> -p. 423 John Taylor v. John Cook
>
> >From Superior Court Order Book No. 4 (1829-1831); screen of first-party
> index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
> -no Dortch first-party found
> -no Poythress first-party found
> -p. 31 April 1829 "William Taylor late sheriff of Mecklenburg who sue for
> the benefit Puryear Thayer / against / James Young"
> -p. 43 April 1829 "John Taylor who sue for the benefit of Martha Taylor
> [admix de bonis non?] of Thomas Taylor dec'd / against / Daniel Middagh
> Thomas [Suggett?] and Ezekiel Crowder"
> p. 76 April 1829 "Precilla Taylor admix of James Taylor against james
> Nolly & Ralph Hubbard"
>
> >From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 1 (1833-1836); screen of first-party
> index for Poythress only:
> -no Poythress first-party found
>
> >From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 2 (1836-1840); screen of first-party
> index for Poythress only:
> -no Poythress first-party found
>
> >From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 3 (1840-1843); screen of first-party
> index for Poythress only:
> -p. 203 March Court 1842 "David E. Poytress (sic) & wife to William H.
> Moon for land with [?] of acknowledgement and relinquishment of Dower
> thereon endorsed was received in Clerk's Office 31st Feby (sic) admitted
> to record"
> -p. 326 "Deed Trust James E. Poytress (sic) to Isaac Taylor, personal
> estate, was ackno. in Office 13 Febry" (1843)
>
> >From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 4 (1844-1848); screen of first-party
> index for Poythress only:
> -p. 60 "A deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Poytress (sic) & wife to
> David Poytress (sic) together with the certificates of acknowledgement
> and relinquishment of Dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
> Office the 19th August 1844 and admitted to record"
> -p. 181 "A deed of Gift from Lewis Poythress (sic) to Lewis Y. Poythress
> and Thomas M. Poythress for Land with certificate of acknowledgement was
> received in Office 20th October 1845 & admitted"
> -p. 405 "A Deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c.
> to Charles D. Cleaton [?] [Sana?] together with the Certificate of
> relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
> Office the 6th day of January 1848 and admitted to record"
> -p. 452 "Deed Trust Lewis Y. Poythress to [Williamson?] M. Pearson was
> acknowledged & admitted to record"
> =============================================
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
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l. How was it used? Someone will come up with a better answer but,
literally, it says "not a good mixture".

2. How about "children"?		03/19/1998 5:32:07
Re: Mecklenburg CitationsBeetle72Lyn,
My only source in looking at these records has been through the LDS stake
libraries. And two that you cited, one between David and Lewis in 1844 and the
other between Lewis and his two sons in 1845, I found indexed in Mecklenburg
Cty, VA Court Records and ordered the copies through the Virginia Archives. It
took about eight weeks to receive. But that snail mail was exciting!
Best, Barbara (BPW)		03/19/1998 5:33:41
Fw:Sarah Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Poythress
To: Lyn P. Baird
Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 9:40 PM

Lyn,

The information I received from my brother-in-law didn't have anything new to me on the Poythress side. I had not posted James Edward Poythress who married Catherine ?( I learned this is Preston) as his ggrandfather's father as I have not been able to prove this. He had him as the father of John Lewis & Tabitha Poythress and son of Lewis Poythress who married Rebecca Taylor.

I think most of the information on his family is going to be in Franklin County. I am planning to go there next week, if possible. This is where Ray & his brother live. If I am correct his grandfather, Joshua E. and my husband's grandfather Joseph Sidney were brothers.

You may forward this on to the list if you think It will help anyone. I have really enjoyed the communication and help I have received through them. I wish I could meet each & everyone of them personally.

Sarah		03/19/1998 7:55:28
Re: Citations - Mecklenburg Order BooksCraig R. Scott>> 1) "admix de bonis non" Would anyone happen to have a guess as to what
>> this means, or what the real phrase was that I was mis-transcribing?
>>

In the event that an executor had served and died before the assets of an
estate could be distributed in accordance with the provisions of a will the
court would appoint an administrator d.b.n. to continue the administration
and distribute the assets.

Not to be confused with administrator c.t.a. (cum testamento annexo) which
is where the court appoints an administrator because the will does not name
an executor, the named executor is deceased, or the named executor refuses
to serve.

Craig

-----
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Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		03/19/1998 8:22:00
Re Fun with Family HistoryCharles NealLyn,

What a wonderful, wonderful treasure you put together for young Maverick!
Such a great compilation of memories & facts, and so well-written. Wow!!
Thanks so much for sharing it.

Best,
Barbara 3/19/98		03/19/1998 10:50:07
Citations - Mecklenburg Order BooksCharles NealThanks so much, Lyn, for the great work in Mecklenburg!!

BPN

03/19/1998 10:50:15
Mecklenburg Order Book OverviewCharles NealLyn et al,

What a super on-the-scenes overview, Lyn! Thank you.

__ A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records In The Virginia State
Library and Archives__ published in 1994 by the Library (which still has it
available, no doubt, for purchase -- or Craig no doubt also has it
available for purchase), compiled by Suzanne Smith Ray, Lyndon H. Hart III,
& J. Christian Kolbe, lists county by county a similar survey of ALL the
records available at the Library of VA in Richmond. It is a wonderful
guide.

For Mecklenburg, it lists FIVE 8.5"x11" PAGES of records, in the following
catagories:
Circuit Court Clerk:
- Board of Supervisors Records
- Bonds/Commissions/Oaths
Business Records/Corporations/partnerships
Court Records:
- County Court
- General Court
- Superior Court of Law
- Circuit Superior Court of Law and Chancery
- Circuit Court
- County and Superior Courts
- Unspecified Court
Election Records
Fiduciary Records
Free Negro and Slave Records
Justice of the Peace Records
Land Records
Marriage Records and Vital Statistics
Military and Pension Records
Road and Bridge Records
Tax and Fiscal Records
Wills
Miscellaneous Records
Commissioner of Revenue
Sheriff
Treasurer

And then after 5 pages of listing of records, it lists, on only about half
of one page, all the records that have been microfilmed.

It divulges that the microfilmed County Court Order Books are [comments in
brackets are mine]:
"Order Books Nos. 1-29, 1A-3A and 5A-6A [apparently which books cover the
following periods:] 1765-1843, 1849-58 [which are on:] 13 reels"

Thus, I would say:
(1) anyone interested in looking at ANY Virginia county's records should
buy a copy of this soft-cover, reasonable, book as it gives a wonderful
listing of available info [How about some ordering info, Craig?]
(2) you are wise, Lyn, to try to look at things at the courthouse or at the
Archives in Richmond, time permitting, since as this listing certainly
shows, there are PLENTY of records that haven't been microfilmed yet.
(3) I know of no books yet published where anyone has done a thorough index
of the Mecklenburg Co, VA Court Order Books. TLC Genealogy has done
several books on Mecklenburg's Deeds, but no other Mecklenburg records yet
from them.

All for now. Thanks again for the super report, Lyn

BPN		03/19/1998 10:50:18
Field Trip Report Screven County, GA.Charles Neal3-19-98

Maynard,

Thanks so much for the trip report. Looking forward to the pictures & all
the details of who's where out there. Good work!

Ay,
BPN		03/19/1998 10:50:21
[Fwd: Markers]wayne scruggs03/21/1998 4:39:25
Markerswayne scruggsTo All:
The Markers for James Speed & Martha Raiford Poythress are finally up.
They look great. I went to Meridian last week to check on them and take
pictures. Thanks to all who donated: Al Jr and his parents Nell & Bo
Tims, Joe Wallace Poythress, Maynard, Bud and Harold Poythress. Barbara
Wolf, Barbara Neal, Patti, and Marlene Shamburger Lee. Most of all to my
brother Carl Speed, not only for his donation but for all his time back
& forth to Meridian, dealing with the cemetery people and with the
Monument Co.
Picking out the markers and going back and helping them find the graves
as the people at magnolia didn't.I will try to scan the pictures to you
later. If you don't receive them let me know and I will have copies made
and mail them to you. I have to do this for Harold and Marlene as they
are not on line. If I left anyone out please let me know.
Thanks Again,
Judy

03/21/1998 5:07:46
emailwayne scruggsSorry about the two letters. Ididn't think the other one went.
Judy

03/21/1998 5:09:52
Re: Mecklenburg Order Book OverviewCraig R. Scott>__ A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records In The Virginia State
>Library and Archives__ published in 1994 by the Library (which still has it
>available, no doubt, for purchase -- or Craig no doubt also has it
>available for purchase)

>(1) anyone interested in looking at ANY Virginia county's records should
>buy a copy of this soft-cover, reasonable, book as it gives a wonderful
>listing of available info [How about some ordering info, Craig?]

Having just returned from a Friday seminar (The Maryland Genealogy Society)
and a Saturday seminar (Fairfax County Virginia) I am out of stock on the
$12.00 + $3.00 s&h book that I think is an absolute must for Virginia
research. There is also a Pre-1904 City Records book which costs $7.95. It
covers places like Petersburg. I will be placing an order with the Library
of Virginia on Monday. If you are interested just send me an email and I
will put it in the mail.

>(3) I know of no books yet published where anyone has done a thorough index
>of the Mecklenburg Co, VA Court Order Books. TLC Genealogy has done
>several books on Mecklenburg's Deeds, but no other Mecklenburg records yet
>from them.

In the event that there is anyone out there that has an interest in
authoring titles on any of these Mecklenburg microfilms, please contact me.
Everybody in genealogy needs a publisher.

Craig

>

-----
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Come visit.		03/21/1998 11:21:17
MORE KY info re Wm PoythressCharles NealWhile I was in the section of the Library to check on KY stuff to track
down the Jillson reference (see other message today, with subject line "Re:
Wm Poythress"), I also found the following references in FHL film #
0460537, "Kentucky - Circuit Court: General cross index to suits,
1805-1910" filmed at Frankfort, KY

The gist of the below seems to be, that in KY Circuit Court records
themselves (which were NOT on film), there should be at least some
"bundles" of suit documents that could have info about at least a Joshua
Poythress being present in KY around Oct 1824 to May 1827. A look at the
suit numbers could be VERY interesting, depending on what the suits were
about [comments in brackets are mine]:

[Note: "&c" was a way of writing "etc." as in "and cetera"]

Plaintiffs Poythress &c vs. Carson, Y.&c
Date of Judgment: Octo 1824
# of Suit: 2583
# of Bundle: 167
Remarks: "Dismissed"

Plaintiff Poythress, Joshua vs. Porter, E & B.
Date of Judgment: Jan 1826
# of Suit: 2938
# of Bundle: 194
Remarks: "Discontinued"

Porter vs. Poythress [maybe a counter-suit &/or a cross-reference to
below, listing defendant first?]
Suit # 3345
[no entry shown for the other headings]

Plaintiff Poythress, Joshua vs Porter, Wm G
Date of Judgment: May 1827
# of Suit: 3345
# of Bundle: 214
Remarks: "Discon" [apparently short for "discontinued"]

Plaintiff: "same" [this was immediately below the one shown above here]
vs. Wilson, J[?] S[?] &c
Date of Judgment: May 1827
# of Suit: 3346
# of Bundle: 214
Remarks: "Discon"

That's all, folks.
BPN		03/22/1998 6:49:29
Re: Wm PoythressCharles NealOn 3/8/98, Hazel asked: "Does anyone have an abstract of the will of
William Poythress, Pr George
Co, 2 Sep 1794, Bk V p 416? I am wondering why it would be listed in Old
Kentucky Entries and Deeds. Did he have land in KY? I do not find him
listed anywhere else in this Jillson book."

I did some checking, and the existing Prince George Co, VA Will Books did
not seem to be named such, or to cover the correct time periods, as "Book
V" mentioned above.

So then I tracked down __Old Kentucky Entries and Deeds: A Complete Index
to All of the Earliest Land Entries, Military Warrants, Deeds, and Wills of
the Commonwealth of Kentucky__ by Willard Rouse Jillson. It was originally
published in 1926 as Filson Club Publication No. 34. It was republished in
1969 and then in 1987 by GPC.

According to the 1969 Preface & 1926 Foreword written by Jillson, who was
State Geologist of KY, and member of several historical associations and
The Filson Club, it was published in order to provide an index to the huge
number of documents he found IN THE OFFICES OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND
THE CLERK OF THE COURT OF APPEALS IN THE [KY] CAPITOL AT FRANKFURT
including "the first deeds, wills and powers of attorney relative to land
lodged in the custody of the Clerk of the Court of Appeals at Frankfort"
and "the early civil land entries and military land warrants and entries in
the [KY] State Land Office."

Thus, the Prince George Co, VA Will of WIlliam Poythress is in Frankfort,
Kentucky!! It is listed in Jillson's book, on p.546, in a very brief (only
2-page) listing entitled: "Court of Appeals Deeds -- Wills (1769-1850)"
and the listing lists only:

Testator: Poythress, Wm.
Residence: Pr. George
Date: Sep 2, 1794
Book: V [note: presumably this is Volume V of Kentucky's Court of
Appeals volumes]
Page: 416
Notes: Will

So, Maynard, if you or your Buddy/Cousin could please get to Frankfurt and
get a clear copy of this Will which begins on p.416, and give us the full,
correct citation of the volume as it is currently titled, we would all
appreciate it, VERY MUCH.

And/or: The Filson Club could have more info about it, if they have done
extensive microfilming or photocopying of KY records?

I predict that this Wm Poythress is the Virginia Continental Line
Lieutenant William Poythress, whom we know was issued on 8 Nov 1783 a
warrant for 4,000 acres of land [somewhere -- perhaps in what is now
Kentucky]. He, by the later petition of his heirs to the U. S. House of
Representatives, had the following lawful heirs still living as of 9 Dec
1833, according to the certification of Benjamin Cocke, Justice of the
Peace Prince George County, VA: Joshua Poythress, Thos E. Poythress, and
William P. Poythress. These 3 had presented themselves in the petition to
Congress as "the children and only heirs of William Poythress, a Captain in
the Army of the Revolution" and "an officer in the Virginia Line on
Continental establishment" when they were wanting the 5 years of full pay
with interest thereon, which they felt he should have been entitled to
under the resolutions that Congress passed in 1780.

Since the Kentucky-residing Reverend Francis Poythress, Methodist circuit
preacher, was dead circa 1815, he could well have been a child of Lt. Wm
Poythress, too, and brother of the above.

The Will in Frankfort would be a great find.

Barbara		03/22/1998 6:49:32
India & James S. PoythressSarah PoythressHi Folks,

This is a few things I found at the Vance County Courthouse in Henderson, NC.

James S. Poythress, Oct 18, 1818. Son of Charles David & India Peace Twisdale Poythress. On the death certificate it had d. in Henderson, Informant looked like Perry Poythress & birthplace looked like Ga. This S. stands for Sneed, I think. It matches up with dates on tombstone at Elmwood Cemetery.

Courthouse list Henry Pirie Poythress son of James Sneed & Mary Elizabeth Pirie Poythress, died Aug. 26, 1938.

Plot with large Poythress Marker in Elmwood Cemetery has:

J. S. Poythress Mary E. Poythress
b. Sept. 17, 1871 b. Nov. 4, 1869
d. Oct. 18, 1918 d. Oct.3, 1930

C. D. Poythress H. P. Poythress
b. Aug. 26, 1895 b. March 7, 1894
d. Feb. 7, 1944 d. Aug. 26, 1938

Jane Poythress R. L. Mustian
b. Dec. 14, 1896 b. Nov. 23, 1891
d. Nov. 5, 1984 d. May 26, 1918

Correction under children of John Lewis & Tabitha Nunn Poytrhess:
10)Artellia - I found her marriage certificate in Louisburg, NC. Her name was Otelia
M. Poythress. She married J. B. Poythress of orange County, son of G. Poythress
& a line marked in space for mother's name. Father living & another line by mother.
I made a copy, and when I get a scanner I will send it to the list, if I find out
how. I haven't found out yet how to find the ones you have listed lately. Help!!!!

In looking back at what I have put in, I thought R.L. Mustian was the husband of Jane,
but he died before her father. I write things down so hurriedly that I have to check behind myself.

Does anyone have any information on a H. R. Poythress m. Laura Turner. Had a son Stephen G. Poythress m. Ethel ? died March 17, 1924 in Vance County. I have a son named Steven G. b. !955 His first wife was named Laura. Just makes me curious & this is all I have found.

Nite all,
Sarah Poythress		03/22/1998 10:57:45
Looky, LookyVKRatliffTry: http://www.arpc.org/bios/POYTHRES.HTM

.....and I think the address is case sensitive so put it in just as above.

I like the text of this one even better than what I remember the first text to
be (or, they may be identical since I'm only going on memory for the first
one). The photo is not quite as bright as the other one.....but it will
certainly be okay if the alternative of duplicating the first page is going to
trigger another interminable delay.

VK

03/23/1998 2:15:09
Looky LookyVKRatliffPls disregard.....I sent it to wrong address. (Its my brother's military page
that we will hot link to his governor's campaign webpage, we thought it was
lost in cyberspace and then found it again.....just in case you're curious.)

Maynard

03/23/1998 3:17:13
India & James S. PoythressCharles Neal3-23-98

Sarah,

Good info -- Thanks. This James Sneed Poythress is in the family line of
Barbara Poythress Wolfe (BPW) of our List, by the way.

Re the H.R. Poythress & Stephen G. Poythress you found: I don't have an
H.R. or a Stephen G. Poythress either. If H.R.'s initials were reversed
for some reason, he could have been Rufus H. Poythress (brother of Joshua
etc) but his wife was E. P. Harper or possibly Richard High Poythress (I
don't know any wife name for him), but I don't show the latter one having
any children.

Re the other things some of us have referred to having send Al Tims to put
on the website: I don't think he has yet had time to put them up, due to
unprecedented pressure in his day-job. < g > Hopefully we'll have him back
really with us, soon. His state's Legislature can't meet forever.

Your "word-wrap" setting got messed up again. Your message about James S.
P. & India was strung out WAY across . . .

Thanks for the searching & the update on your finds!
Barbara (BPN)		03/23/1998 9:34:44
James Sneed PoythressBeetle72Sarah,

You wrote:

James S. Poythress, Oct 18, 1818. Son of Charles David & India Peace Twisdale
Poythress. On the death certificate it had d. in Henderson, Informant looked
like Perry Poythress & birthplace looked like Ga. This S. stands for Sneed, I
think. It matches up with dates on tombstone at Elmwood Cemetery.

This is my family line and it should read Indiana Peru Twisdale as JSP's
mother.
Perry, the informant is their son Henry Pirie. Interesting that the birthplace
was given as GA. I thought all their children (the other siblings are Benjamin
Edison, Charles Vance, Effie, and John Alexander, my grandfather) were born in
NC.

James Sneed was a Major in the NC National Guard and had just received orders
to go to France. He had been commissioned into the National Army. But he took
ill and died of Spanish Influenza. His son Charles David was already in France
as a Marine aviator and was shot down and wounded on Armistice Day.

The death date for R. L. Mustian should read 1969.
Jane Poythress R. L. Mustian

b. Dec. 14, 1896 b. Nov. 23, 1891

d. Nov. 5, 1984 d. May 26, 1918

Jane was married to Perry and widowed in 1938. She and R. L. Mustian were
married around 1948.

Best, Barbara (BPW)		03/24/1998 2:08:57
$$, Recently vs 1854Charles NealThought you folks might be interested to know that there is a Consumer
Price Index conversion table, covering 1800 - 1996, on the Internet at:
Http://www.orst.edu/Dept/pol_sci/sahr/cpi96.htm

Using the conversion table from there, I was able to determine regarding an
item of interest in a Will of one of my Godfrey ancestors, that a $400
bequest of money in 1854 would be equivalent to a $6,600 bequest in
12/31/1995 dollars. (Of course if, during the Civil War, wherever the
money had been "put out at interest" collapsed, the money would have become
worth zero, as so many sums of money did in the South at that time.)

Barbara		03/24/1998 10:28:44
St. Mary's - NewentVKRatliffA friend of mine spent 8 weeks in GB this winter as a guest lecturer at
Cambridge.
He was going to take in the Cotswolds anyway so I asked for some snapshots of
St. Mary's if he got to Newent (actually I asked for a print suitable for
framing but the snapshots were the best I got).

One of the snapshots he took was of the "marquee" board in front. As I read
it, technically, the name is "St. Mary's Newent Anglican Methodist Church".
Whew, I guess that means they were Roman until Henry 5 fell out with the Pope
in 1500's and then they switched again with John Wesley in mid 1700's. These
folks look to have stayed hip with the times even if it was a long time
between "events".

I had this preconceived notion that all the old Roman-later-CofE churches
with a thousand years of ivy growing on them tended to stay Anglican and the
new "sects" (e. g., Methodism in it's 1700's infancy) sort of started from
scratch in a makeshift sanctuary and then later built their own churches in
something other that that ancient gothic style.

I suppose I was just a little bit surprised. Is the above approximately
correct, Pat or Margaret? Is St. Mary's more typical or more the exception?
Guess I need to go back and hit the history book. I sure didn't get this one
the first time around.

Maynard		03/25/1998 10:18:36
Telemon Cuyler Papers IndexVKRatliffSee below. I'm still struggling with this one. If we have any members that
haven't seen the question before and can enlighten me I would be most
appreciative.

Thanks,

Maynard

>

March 26, 1998

Ms. Dereka Smith, Librarian
National Genealogical Society
Glebe House
4527 Seventeenth Street North
Arlington, Virginia 22207-2399

Dear Dereka:

Absolutely nothing personal is intended but I was mildly disappointed with the
most recent issue of the NGS Quarterly. Has our leadership elected to no
longer show the e-mail addresses of staff members? Should I speculate that
this might be in response to increased e-mail traffic? I hope not. If it
is so, I would suggest to our society that making access to staff more
difficult is not an answer to any problem. The survivor in todays market
is the competitive organization which teaches itself to perform with
excellence in response to increased access, even encouraging access.

And if we think we are the NGS and have no market competition we are
tomorrows dinosaur. Come to think of it, the pace of todays market is such
that we may even be todays dinosaur. And to think that we began this issue
with Genealogists are entering a new era might certainly be worth a smile.

Anyway, thats not what Im writing about. Im certainly am not taking you
personally to task. And I hope Im wrong anyway. I need to ask if you can
help me with a problem.

A couple of years ago in the Georgia Archives I found an index to the
Telemon Cuyler collection of papers in the Hargrett Library of Rare
Manuscripts and Documents at the University of Georgia. Making the unrealistic
assumption that this was a common index I simply copied down the references to
the individuals in which I had an interest. It listed four men in Georgia as
being among these documents and indexed references to them as follows:

Poythress, Edward N
Poythress, George K, N, P, U, X
Poythress, Thomas N
Poythress, Thomas, Jr. N.

I then wrote to the Hargrett Library citing the references. Their reply was
that they constantly get queries using home-made indexes and had no idea of
how to find information using this index. I sulked only momentarily over
their own dinosaurship and then figured I had just been somewhat extinct
myself. A trip to Athens, albeit some 600 miles away, would eventually
resolve my query.

I now have found an NGS article which uses this identical index and cites the
identical references. It is an article entitled simply Burke County,
Georgia, written by a Mr. William H. Dumont in the NGS quarterly, Vol. 54,
Number 1, March 1966. The use of the index in question begins on page 23.

My questions:

1) is Mr. Dumont still an NGS member and if so, would he be willing to respond
to a
question with respect to where he found this index and if he had ever
personally used it?
Or perhaps even better, just tell us the code.

2) if Mr. Dumont is no longer available, is there anything in the NGS
manuscript copy of
the article (or even in the library) that might offer a clue to opening
this index?

If not, I will just figure that sooner or later Ill have to get to Athens and
do some serious digging. Thanks in advance for your help, Dereka. I hope
this finds you in good health and spirits.

Kindest regards,

Maynard Poythress

P. S. My e-mail address is vkratliff@aol.com if its easier for you to answer
that way.		03/26/1998 3:02:42
Joint use of St. Mary'sVKRatliffWent back and looked at photo.....looks to be to be "joint" use and maybe one
could make the case for triple use but that one just HAS to be shaky.

The board lists: Rector, Assistant Priest, and Methodist Minister, all in 3
separate columns. And a "by-line" at the very bottom of the board says " This
building is a
licensed Methodist place of worship". I don't read that to specifically
exclude Anglicans, maybe the Methodists just require "liscensing" of a
facility as protocol.

Interesting coincidence that Francis' American family, when the protestant
evangelical movement came to backwoods Virginia...mostly seemed to opt for
Methodism.

In retrospect, joint use seems easily believable to me.....I can remember many
years ago in Macon, Ga. wife Jean was secretary to St. Paul's Episcopal. St.
Paul's routinely made their church sanctuary available to the Greek Orthodox
folks who had no church because they only had handful of members. No one made
a big deal over it and that was 30 years ago in the Deep South. Looks like in
some ways at least the world may have come a long way.

Maynard		03/26/1998 4:39:00
Telemon Cuyler Papers IndexCharles Neal3-26-98

Maynard,

Re: >Has our leadership elected to no longer show the e-mail addresses of
staff members?<

If you'll look back, I think you'll realize you erred in your question.
The __NGS Qtrly__ (the more scholarly journal) has not had e-mail addresses
in it at all yet, to my recollection. You were probably recalling having
seen Dereka's (& other) e-mail addresses in __NGS NEWSLETTER__, where they
are still listed. Keep in mind that the editor of the more scholarly Qtrly
resides and works in Alabama, not at the national office of NGS that you
visited in Arlington, VA. Arlington, VA however is where the Newsletter
is published.

I haven't seen the "Burke County, Georgia" article written by William H.
Dumont in the NGS quarterly, Vol. 54, Number 1, March 1966, which uses the
index that you question. Seems surprising to me that the article itself
doesn't enlighten one on how to use the index. . . Hopefully, you'll get
some help from Dereka. I look forward to learning more from any response.

BPN		03/26/1998 10:31:07
Re: CitationsCraig R. Scott>Thanks so much, Craig. Any suggestions for us listers on a
>quick-reference guide to legal terms/procedures/inferences both old and
>new? Thx...

I have two recommendations. The first I use all the time. The second is out
of print but will be back in July. A second volume to the second is now
available, but I have not seen it yet.

A TO ZAX, A COMPREHENSIVE DICTIONARY FOR GENEALOGISTS & HISTORIANS Barbara
Jean Evans. Gathered here in one convenient reference are thousands of
archaic, obscure, or obsolete terms from many sources including: legal,
religious, foreign, colloquial, monetary, ethnic, historical, medical,
geographical, occupational, and more. Also included are two appendices: a
list of nicknames and a list of Dutch given names. This expanded third
edition is an amazing compilation of words, phrases, and abbreviations that
researchers are likely to encounter in old books, manuscripts, and
documents. 3rd Ed., 1995. Paper, 304 pp. [HS001] $14.95

WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THAT? A DICTIONARY OF HISTORICAL TERMS FOR
GENEALOGISTS Paul Drake. Words from the past give insight to the speech,
occupations, material goods - life in general! - of our ancestors. In
addition to terminology, such as the names of the many courts and legal
processes, this collection of more than 3000 words includes many
descriptions of early furniture and foods, common medical terms and herbal
remedies, and many expressions, once common, yet now all but forgotten. The
words found here are seen at every turn of research; in court documents
(especially inventories of estates, court entries, and law suits), church
records, books, newspapers, letters, and songs. 1994, 240 pp. [HBD604] $25.00

There is also one for medical terminology that costs $19.50 that I use every
so once in a while, but that is probably because I have a twenty year
background in Navy medicine and I still remember most of the terminology.

Hope this helps.

C.

>

-----
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		03/28/1998 8:12:07
Where Have You Gone?plassJust wondering if my address has been removed from the mailing list or
has it just been unusually quiet the last few days? Have been enjoying
the messages and learning quite a bit from most of them. Where are all
of you???

Phyllis L.

03/30/1998 2:13:38
3-30-98 Where Have You Gone?Charles NealPhyllis,

It has indeed been unusually quiet. Too many folks have too much else
going on, I reckon.

We need Al Tims, our List-meister, back to stir the pot. Hope he checks
back in soon, fully recovered from the overwork at his employment.

Barbara

03/30/1998 9:32:39
Good Wisheswayne scruggsTo all my Poythress cousins:
HAVE A VERY HAPPY EASTER!!!

Judy & Wayne Scruggs

04/09/1998 3:27:10
CheckingSarah PoythressChecking to see if I am still on the List. I didn't see my last check.

Sarah

04/11/1998 9:36:03
4-11-98 Joseph Sidney PoythressCharles NealDear Kevin,

Thanks so much for the information on your grandfather's family. It does
help clarify things. Seems to me we had one of your family (a brother maybe
or perhaps a cousin of yours) with us for a brief time sometime last year,
but I'm hazy on the recollection.

Are you a subscriber on the Poythress-List? Welcome! You are among many
of us who want to know more about our Poythress roots.

Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN, for short)
>>>
From: KPoythress
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:15:04 EDT
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com

BARBARA,
I'm a newcomer at this genealogy stuff, but very interested in learning
more about my origins. John Lewis Poythress is my great-great grandfather.
His son (my great grandfather) was Joseph Sidney Poythress, and he was
married to Lucy Eva Stainback. His son (my grandfather) was William Oliver
Poythress, and he was married to Lessie Maud Hoyle. They lived in
Henderson, N.C. William had 4 sons and 2 daughters. The sons are
1. Joseph Oliver Poythress (deceased).
2. Bruce Poythress (deceased)
3. John Clinton Poythress (My father - deceased)
4. George Poythress (resides in Henderson, N.C.)
Daughters:
1.Vivian (now Vivian Longmire, residing in Henderson, N.C.)
2. Virginia (now Virginia Boyd, residing in Henderson, N.C.)

Hope This helps!
Kevin Nolan Poythress (Cary, N.C.)		04/11/1998 10:48:13
CheckingCharles NealSarah,

If you are still successfully getting List messages, you'll get 2 copies of
this.
Hope you and Dale and your whole family are having a great Easter.

Things should pick up soon on the Poythress-List, since I think Al Tims
will finally be back with us next week. He has a LOT of catching up to do,
to get thru 4 full months of messages, but we should hear something from
him soon.

Happy Easter
Barbara		04/12/1998 4:02:08
Re: 4-11-98 Joseph Sidney PoythressCharles NealKevin,

Glad to learn that you are indeed a new subscriber to the Poythress-List.
I looked back at the fellow I was remembering from early 1997, and he
(Preston Neal Poythress) wasn't in your direct family line after all -- I
was just remembering incorrectly. Glad to have both you & Sarah for input,
since I think you are the first two from that branch of the family.

Do you have any dates of & places of birth, marriage, and death for your
grandparents ( who you mentioned had lived in Henderson, NC), William
Oliver Poythress & his wife Lessie Maud Hoyle? Sure would help, if you
could share them with us.

Oh, yes, I also wanted to let you know that more of us Poythress
researchers will benefit from each message if we all will always try to
remember to address things to the whole Poythress-List. That also has the
benefit of having its messages archived, so that if months later we dimly
remember that some topic was covered previously, we can go into the
archives & pull up the original item to refer to.

Looking forward to your help on your line.
Thanks & Happy Easter,
BPN
>>>
>From: KPoythress
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 17:25:12 EDT
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
Subject: Re: 4-11-98 Joseph Sidney Poythress

Dear Barbara,

I am a new subscriber to the Poythress list, and find all of this really
fascinating!
Are you referring to Sarah Poythress, the other subscribe that you recalled
from last year? I have learned that she is married to Dale Poythress, my
father's first cousin.

Kevin Poythress<		04/12/1998 4:27:07
4-12-98 Wm Oliver PoythressCharles NealKevin,

I was just clarifying some of the data I had (as to who is alive and who is
deceased, & preferred name they use), using your listing of William Oliver
Poythress' 6 children.

While doing so, I realized that I had a different name than you had for one
of your uncles: you list a Joseph Oliver Poythress, who is deceased.

I had not seen his name before as one of the 6 siblings, but I had one you
had not listed: John William Poythress, known as "Buck" (also deceased).

Could there have been 7 siblings, including both of them? Or was my
earlier list incorrect? Can you please check with your father and your
aunts to confirm whichever?

Also, it sure would help if you have (or could get) the maiden names of
the wives (if any) of all of the sons of William Oliver Poythress.

Enjoying putting together some more of the big Poythress puzzle, with your
help.
BPN		04/12/1998 7:17:32
Wm Oliver PoythressSarah PoythressBarbara,

John Lewis and Tabitha Ann Nunn Poythress had 3 boys & 8 girls.

1) John William Poythress, m. Eva Joyner, This is all I know so far.
2) Joshua E. Poythress, m. Betty Wester - 4 Boys & 5 Girls
1)John William Poythress, m. Mylae Young
Claude Raymond Poythress
3)Joseph Sidney Poythress, m. Lucy Stainback - 8 Boys & 3 Girls
1) William Oliver Poythress, m. Lessie Maud Hoyle
Joseph Oliver "Buck" Poythress, m. Katie Hester
Dora Virginia Poythress, m. ? Boyd
George Madison Poythress, m. Grace Brame
Vivian Hoyle Poythress, m. Nelson Longmire
Bruce Allen Poythress ?
John Clinton, m. Joanne Weaver
Kevin Nolan
2)Joseph Ashton Poythress, m. Verla Jacobs
Dale Poythress, m. Sarah Ann Royster

This is an incomplete rundown to show you where William Oliver &
Joseph Oliver "Buck" fit in.

If you would send me an outline of your family & dates I could enter
them in my
program. Then if I find anything that I think you will need I will
send you a copy.

So long for now,
Sarah		04/12/1998 9:34:14
Jos Sidney Poythress familyCharles Neal4-13-98

Appreciate your outline, Sarah, of these family members of Joseph Sidney
Poythress. Your listing of them (apparently in birth order?), along with
Kevin's listing of the sons and daughters, makes it clear that I earlier
had somehow gotten the wrong "real name" for Buck. Maybe from that long
listing back in February that night when you were still typing Poythress
names in a message at almost 2 a.m. :-)) I certainly know that at that
wee hour of the morning I couldn't have even typed my OWN name correctly,
so I'm just real glad to know what to fix now. Thanks so much for the
clarification.

BPN		04/13/1998 10:09:01
A FREEBIEVKRatliffJust to get some traffic circulating in our "store" folks here is today's BLUE
LIGHT SPECIAL:

See http://www1.minn.net/~atims/gallery2.html .....this is a black and
white line drawing in ink of Lt. William Poythress. He is in the uniform of
the Virginia Continental Line Revolutionary Army; i. e. not just "militia".
He ain't pretty but I suppose he's our'n.

This copy is a first time "hit" exact duplicate of the 8 x 10 original owned
by a lady here in Louisville. Framed, it is at best something of a humorous
conversation piece. At worst (or best, depending on your point of view) your
visitors will think its only a crummy print of George Washington and never
give it a second glance.

The only "mechanical" downside is that these copies are done "glossy" but if
one wants to frame it, non-glare glass will give the copy the matte finish of
the original.

Anticipating a coast to coast demand, our buyers ordered several
truckloads....well, not really, maybe an extra dozen is closer to the number.

Anyway, anyone wanting a copy may have same by just sending me your name and
snail mail address [vkratliff@aol.com]. Offer good while the supply lasts.
And the price is right....free.

Best,

Maynard		04/13/1998 11:40:34
infoPoythressI am a Poythress with roots to Southern, VA, specifically Mecklenburg
Co. I have a decent amount of information and some significant pictures
if anyone is interested. let me know

Brandon Poythress
poythress@bellsouth.net

04/14/1998 3:00:06
[Fwd: info]wayne scruggsBrandon,
I second Maynard's request.
Judy Speed Scruggs
04/14/1998 3:43:06
Brandon's infoCharles Neal4-14-98

Dear Brandon,

Welcome aboard! I am one of the Poythress folks descended from one of the
Poythresses who moved from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter Co, AL and then
across the stateline to Meridian, MS. Later my grandfather moved his
family to Birmingham, AL, where I grew up. Job transfers for my husband &
me have taken me far away from Bell South coverage, to the Los Angeles
area.

My Mother and 2 brothers still live in B'ham, and in addition to them, I am
in touch with a number of Poythress folks in AL and MS, not all of whom are
on this Poythress-List.

We would all love to learn what information you have, and will be glad to
share the information we've gathered. Also eager to hear about the
pictures!

& actually Maynard underplayed our numbers of subscribers to the
Poythress-List in his welcoming message to you. There are many more than 6
to 8 folks out there, it's just that lots of them are quietly listening.
Hopefully they'll chime in when something strikes a chord for them.

Barbara Poythress Neal BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
(or BPN for short, to distinguish me from Barbara Poythress Wolfe, another
member of our group)		04/14/1998 9:35:26
Census OnlineCharles Neal4-14-98

Folks,

One of our former Listers, Helene Pockrus, let me know of the following
site. It has various census-types of info, including some tax lists, for
various states and for various years. Apparently more items are being
loaded every day there. A GREAT service that some folks are doing!
http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html

Best regards,
BPN		04/14/1998 9:58:10
Fw: "Sarah Poythress" : Wm Oliver PoythressSarah Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Poythress
To: lynn.wright@juno.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: "Sarah Poythress" : Wm Oliver
Poythress

>Hi Louise,
>
>The only info I have on Eva Joyner is:
>Born 1853
>Daughter of J. E. and Hivania Joyner
>Married John W. (Probably William) Poythress, Born Dec.17,1866.
>Married in Franklin County, NC, Dec.12, 1888.
>
>Sarah
>
>		04/14/1998 10:38:49
Re: infoVKRatliffBrandon, great to hear from you!

Re Mecklenburg County.....so are about 3/4 of the 6 or 8 of us in the
Poythress discussion listserver. The Mecklenburg County folks seem to have
gone two ways. A group went to Burke/Screven County, Georgia and another
group went to Sumter County, Alabama, some of them stayed in Sumter, some
drifted into Meridian area. Both of above late 1700's early 1800's.

Still a third one, Lewis Poythress, stayed in Mecklenburg, County.

We have descendants of all three right here on the board.

We have been trying to untangle these folks forever. If you have some
information we would sure be delighted if you would put it on the board. In
turn, I would hope that perhaps we can add something to your own research.

Thanks again for contacting us and we're hoping you'll join the discussion
group that is on-going with respect to researching these folks.

Best,

Maynard Poythress
[vkratliff@aol.com]		04/14/1998 11:12:38
1850 Mecklenburg, VA CensusSarah PoythressDale & I went to the Richmond, VA Library Saturday. I was looking for
John Lewis Poythress' father. What I found did not register on me
until today.

I copied this out of the 1850 Mecklingburg, VA census book.

09-23-1850
217 Poythress, James 45 Carpt. 792
Catherine 45
Joshua 21 Carpt.
Nathan 19 Lab.
Wm. 16 do
Catherine 13
Rebecca 11
Penelope 9
Anzernon 6m
Verdina 4f

What came to me today, James & Joshua are used at different times for
the same person. The age fits, but he was married at the time, so why
would he have been at home with his parents? I thought they had moved
to Sumterville, AL before this date.

Does anyone have in views on this?

Sarah		04/14/1998 11:22:00
Library of VirginiaVKRatliffAs information, this from Issue # 125, Jan/Feb 1998, LVA Official Newsletter:

"LVA WINS WEB SITE CONTEST

The Library of Virginia's Digital Library Project is one of 22 winners of the
Library
Hi Tech Best Library-Related Web Sites Contest. The Library won in the very
competitive category of unique content-historical. Entries in this category
provide
historical information that was not elsewhere on the Web, and included a broad
range of subjects from medieval European to 20th century American.

The nine judges rated sites based on layout, organization, contents and
category.

The Library's Digital Library Project provides universal Internet access to
some of
the Library's vast array of historical documents, records, finding aids and
photographs through digitalization. Family Bible records, the original
insurance
policy on Mt. Vernon, Confederate Pension Records, colonial records, and the
U. S.
Army Signal Corps photograph collection make this site a real treasure trove.

Site users come from nearly every state and 80 foreign countries. The most
heavily used resources are the archives and the manuscripts data base (Bible
records), the electronic card indexes (particularly the Confederate pension
rolls,
Confederate rosters, land office patents and grants, marriage records and
wills) and
the Virginia Colonial Records Project."

Maynard		04/14/1998 12:31:58
Outa hereVKRatliffLeaving in AM at 7....my brother's retirement ceremony from AF is tomorrow
night in Atlanta....just about everything but a fly-over.

Back Saturday night.

Y'all stay out of trouble.

Maynard		04/15/1998 3:42:15
Some of my stuffPoythressMost of my material takes me back to my G-Grandfather, Foxall(FoxAl, Fox
Al) A. Poythress, born 1-22-1887. I researched the name at the
University of North Carolina @ Chapel Hill, and have some information I
am still trying to assimilate.

Additionally, I have an old newpaper article that discusses the
Poythress name in Wales as well as original land grants.

An interesting fact: My grandfather, James W. Poythress, first
conceived the tobacco harvester in 1932 in Dinwiddie County, on his
farm near Dewitt. Additionally, we still have one of his many
prototypes today.

If any of this is interesting to anyone, let me know. If I am offering
stuff already known, I would love to help find more, and definitely
learn more.

Thanks,

M. Brandon Poythress		04/15/1998 6:05:30
Re: Foxall A. PoythressBeetle72Brandon,
Your material is very interesting! And Dinwiddie is certainly in the heart of
our research area. Could you post the newspaper article about the Poythress
name in Wales and the original land grants or perhaps send it as a file
attachment?

My g-g-grandfather David E. Poythress (1805-1876) was an overseer in
Mecklenburg, VA and then in Warren Co., NC. His children were James Speed,
George W., Martha, Charles David (my g-grandfather), Sally, Alice, and Lucy.
And I speculate from records I have researched that Lewis Y. Poythress of
Mecklenburg, VA was David's father.

Do you know the parents of Foxall Poythress?

Barbara (BPW)		04/15/1998 6:39:06
http://www.census-online.com/links/index.htmlVKRatliffSay, Barbara, that really is a neat site....but awfully scanty on most
states/counties.

You know anything about those folks? I'm a little surprised to see it as a
".com" site.
Can't imagine the guy is making any money off of it.

I guess I'm also surprised he beat the GenWeb folks to the project.....but
I'll bet he doesn't have a million volunteers like GenWeb does.

I'll be checking him from time to time to see about his "growth rate".

Thanks for the clue,

Maynard

04/15/1998 8:33:58
http://www.census-online.com/links/index.htmlCharles NealMaynard & All,

Some of the items I checked out at that site were GenWeb items, properly
attributed to their originator.

No, I don't know anything about it. I do know however that something being
a "com" site doesn't have anything to do with whether or not anyone
expects/hopes to make money at it, however.

BPN

04/15/1998 10:52:12
4-15-98 Quiet ListenerCharles NealPhyllis,

WOW, and double WOW, I am so tickled to hear from someone who knows they
are descended from David Poythress who even has a strong thought that he
was perhaps the son of Lewis Y. Poythress!! Is that a thought that you had
held BEFORE coming to our List? If so, was there some family
saga/tradition/tale/etc that said L.Y. was his father? Was there by ANY
chance anything stronger (like a will or deed or Bible or
tombstones-located-near-to-one-another) ?

Look forward to hearing why/how you came to that suggestion. (In case you
haven't guessed from my reaction, David's father's identity is one of those
things that a number of us would LOVE to know more about)

Welcome aboard.
BPN

04/15/1998 10:52:14
1850 Mecklenburg, VA CensusCharles NealSarah & All,

In case anyone is not clear on which James this was, he was0 James Edward
Poythress (my g-g-grandfather, by the way). The eldest son is truly
Joshua, but Joshua didn't marry until Oct. 1852 (to Elizabeth Crowder), so
it is logical that he was still in his parents household in the 1850
census.

The whole family moved to Sumter County, AL in early 1853 -- winter time --
on a 6-wk covered-wagon journey. Joshua & Elizabeth's son William H.
Poythress was born in Sumter Co, AL Nov 30, 1853.

Hopefully soon Al Tims will have a chance to add their family Bible-type
record up on our webpage, which is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

All for now.
BPN
BPN		04/15/1998 10:52:22
Foxall PoythressCharles Neal4-15-98

Brandon, I had one time heard or seen some mention of your ggrandfather,
Foxall (FoxAl, Fox Al) A. Poythress, but had no info on when he lived or
who descended in his line. Glad to learn from you that he was born
1-22-1887.

Yes, I'd love to know more. For openers, I'm wondering: If you have any
idea of his father's name?
Did Foxall always live in Dinwiddie County, VA ? Do you know if he had any
siblings, and if so who they were? Who did your ggfather marry? Did they
have other children besides your grandfather, James
W. Poythress? If so, do you know the siblings' names? Who did your
grandfather marry? What is/was your grandfather's middle name?

How neat that your grandfather conceived of the harvester, and that a
prototype still exists!

Great to hear from you & look forward to hearing more.
BPN P.S. Some of us have seen that newspaper article you referred to
about Wales. Maynard went to extraordinary lengths to try & track down
whether there was any accuracy in its claims about the name's derivation,
and the authorities he found on Wales & Welsh names unanimously pooh-poohed
the idea, as best I can recall. When he gets back in town & on-line from
his brother's military retirement shindig, he can probably tell us more
clearly what he found, since I'm just going by memory.		04/15/1998 10:52:25
"Quiet Listener"plassBPN,

You were right when you told Brandon that there were more subscribers
just quietly listening out here - I've been one for several weeks now!
My grandmother, Mabel Twisdale Branch was the daughter of Lucy
Poythress Twisdale, daughter of David Poythress, son of Lewis
Y.Poythress(?). I live in Rich Square in Northampton Co., NC and
never realized that the Poythress family was so spread out! Keeping up
with this mailing list has been great but all of you leave me in awe.
I've been "quiet" because I don't know what I could possibly add to
anyone's list!!! Reading your messages has been a real education in
genealogy and I really admire the work all of you have done.

Keep on posting and I'll keep on reading - maybe one day I'll actually
have something to contribute!

Phyllis Lassiter

04/15/1998 11:37:26
Possibly a "Thomas M."Brandon, welcome to the Poythress list. I will suggest the possibility
that you are the thrice-great-grandson of Thomas M. Poythress of
Mecklenburg County, Va., and thus the fourth-great-grandson of Lewis
Poythress, also of Mecklenburg.

I am Lyn Poythress Baird, confirmed twice-great-grandson of Thomas M.
Poythress. I grew up in Brodnax, Va., where my parents still reside, and
attended school in Mecklenburg Co. My mother, Beatrice Poythress Baird,
knew your grandfather and great-grandfather. Both my parents have on
occasion mentioned to me your grandfather's invention. In fact my mother
has recently mentioned a desire to find the missing link between Foxall
and Thomas M. These are the children of Thomas M. as we know them:
William S. (b. 1845)
Francis (b. 1847)
Elizabeth R. (b. 1854)
James David (b. 1856)
Henrietta (b. 1859)
Sallie (b. 1860)
Peter V. (b. 1865)
Anderson "Jack" (b. 1867)
Laban (b. 1870)

James David is my great-grandfather. We know a little about Sallie and
Jack; the others we have not researched. Mother guesses Foxall is the
son of William or Peter. Of course I would be very interested to know
how your information supports or discredits this possibility. We know
where Thomas M. lived and is buried and quite a bit on the family of his
wife, Lucy Thomas. If you would like and will provide your U.S. mail
address, I can send you some more information.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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4-16 re Lewis Y PoythressCharles NealPhyllis,

I'm copying most of your message below to the whole List, because (a) we
have other Twisdale researchers on board too, besides just you, and (b) we
have at least Sarah who is very near to where you are & she is really going
at the Poythress info in that area right now & may can steer you to the
cemeteries you are interested in, and (c) some of our other Listers who
live further away have been to some cemeteries in that area that you may
want to know about. (Besides that, when we post our messages to the whole
List, we can retrieve them later via the List's archival feature, which has
helped us out much later on a number of occasions.)

Lyn Baird, for one, knows of cemeteries in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Several
folks know of some in NC in your vicinity. I'm itching to get back to that
area researching, but am of necessity on the west coast.
(As you can see, Poythress folks have definitely not died out. By the way,
I used the CD-Rom telephone book, Select Phone, the other day & found
several hundred Poythress listings currently in NC & VA.)

Really looking forward to whatever more you can find that might flesh out
the family lore of Lewis Y being the father. All for now,
Barbara

> 4-16-98 Message from Phyllis to BPN:
> . . . After just talking to an elderly cousin for almost an hour trying
to verify the name Lewis Y. Poythress .
> . . She "thinks" she has heard the name before but couldn't be sure. I
really can't tell you right now how I
> came up with Lewis but I'm scrambling thru notes trying to find my
original source. I put up my Poythress
> work several years ago as I was getting nowhere with it and started
concentrating on the Twisdale line.
> Just recently (since beginning on the computer) have I gone back to the
Poythress name. This is
> when I found all of you (I thought the Poythress line had died out years
back)!
>
> I'll keep looking because I certainly don't want to be giving out false
info but "family talk" had Lewis as
> the father of David. My problem is that there are so few elderly family
members left and they're either
> not sure or have no idea what I'm talking about!! Do I live closer to
Mecklenburg Co. than most of you
> (I'm in Northampton Co.,NC)? I would love to know where family
cemeteries are if anyone out there
> knows the location.		04/16/1998 9:00:45
My line as far as it I know it.Poythress04/16/1998 9:25:05
Hayes PoythressSarah PoythressBrandon,

I copied this from the Warren County Register of Deeds marriage
records. Hayes Poythress and Irma Mae Cliborne, Nov. 27, 1936.

Sarah Poythress		04/16/1998 9:39:25
John Lewis PoythressSarah PoythressLyn,

According to a Harold Poythress in South Hill, VA told to Dale's
brother, there were two brothers in Virginia. One stayed in Virginia
and one moved to NC. My guestion--- Do you know anything about this?

Dale's grandfather John Lewis was born in Mecklenburg, Va. He married
and died in NC. I can't find anything on his parents. Thought maybe
your mother might remember something.

Any help would be appreciated.

Sarah Poythress

04/16/1998 10:49:39
Nance-Poythress-GilesWe've discussed the Taylor, Cleaton and Dortch alliances of the family; I
do not recall much discussion about NANCE.

While puttering around looking for parents for John Lewis Poythress, I
noticed Capt. John NANCE is the adjacent household to Lewis Poythress in
the 1820 census. Also I ran across a secondary reference to the marriage
of John Wartman (ca. 1796) to Martha GILES (ca. 1811). It shows a bond
date of 14 Nov 1831 and indicates John NANCE is guardian of Martha. (I
would guess the marriage bond is a Mecklenburg one, but do not know;
perhaps one of you with better references could oblige a definitive
citation.) In the 1850 census the Wartman household is #234 and the
household of Edward Poythress and Mahala NANCE is #241. Could Mahala
NANCE (ca. 1803) and Martha GILES have grown up in the same household?
Could Martha be a niece of Elizabeth GILES (m. 1792 Lewis Poythress)?
Could Edward have married the girl next door?

For further indication of NANCE-Poythress interaction, here are some
NANCE citations from bygone messages:

3 Nov. 1813 Dennis Bass (North Hampton County, NC) sold to Lewis
Poythress (Mecklenburg County, VA) 33 acres Transcribed from Mecklenburg
County Records This Indenture made this third day of November in the year
of our Lord Christ, one thousand eight hundred and thirteen, between
Dennis Bafs of Northhampton County and State of North Carolina of the one
part and Lewis Poythrefs of Mecklenburg County and State of Virginia of
the one part. Witnefeth that for and in consideration of thirty three
pounds in hand paid by the said Lewis Poythrefs the receipt whereof is
hereby acknowledged by the said Dennis Bafs have bargained and sold and
by these presents do and doth bargain and sell unto the said Lewis
Poythrefs his heirs and afsigns one certain tract or parcel of land
situated lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg and bounded as
follows to beginning on a corner maple on Prellys(?)Branch in Grief
Harwells line thence along the said Harwells line to a corner post oak in
Lewis Poythrefs line. There down said branch as it meanders to the long
branch, thence up the said branch as meanders to a corner white oak in
James L. NANCE's line thence along the said NANCE's line to a corner pine
thence along said NANCE's line to the beginning. Containing by a late
survey Thirty three acres all houses and houses orchards and
appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise appertaining and
reversion and reversions remainder and remainders to have and to hold the
said tract or parcel of land and all and singular The said premises above
mentioned and every part thereof with their appertenances unto the said
Lewis Poythrefs his heirs and afsigns forever to the only proper use and
behoof of him the LewisPoythrefs his heirs and afsigns and the said
Dennis Bafs and his heirs and afsigns the said tract or parcel of land
and premises and every part thereof against him and his heirs and against
all and every other person or persons whatsoever to the said Lewis
Poythrefs his heirs and afsigns shall and will forever warrant and defend
by these presents. In Witnefs whereof the said Dennis Bafs have hereunto
set his hand and affixed his seal the day and year first above written.
Dennis Bafs (his mark and seal) Signed sealed and delivered in presence
of Jno NANCE Edward Giles Nancey L. NANCE Lewis Parham James Harwell

Mecklenburg County, VA Will Book 8 (1813-1819), pp. 465Will of Jack
Potress, recorded 17 August 1818:In the Name of God Amen I Jack Potress
of Mecklenburg County being in sound mind and memory do make and ordain
this my last will Testament, hereby I desire what my Grandfather Giles
left to me I wish it to be paid to my Father his heirs. his mark, Jack
Potress (s)Edward Giles, James S. NANCE Milly NANCE

At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 17th day of August 1818
This will was proved by the oath of James S. NANCE one of the witnesses
thereto, and is ordered to be recorded Teste Joel Watkins

Any Nance researchers out there? Any knowledge of Nance research
activities? Any Nance Web sites?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: My line as far as it I know it.Brandon, thanks for the information. I think I remember riding the
school bus with Jerry and Roger, maybe even with your dad, but he would
have been older.

If you are serious about this, here's some next steps for you:
1) Go over to the North Carolina Archives (forget the exact name, but
it's in Raleigh) and check the 1900 Meck census for the household of W?
Poythress (or perhaps A? Poythress) to find Foxall and his parents.
2) Check Mecklenburg and Warren marriage records for the marriage of W?
Poythress to A? ???. For you the most convenient source for Mecklenburg
might be the clerk's office in Boydton itself. For Warren you may have
luck in Raleigh. In these counties after 1865 you should see parents of
bride and groom being recorded fairly consistently.
3) Report back to us the good news.

Here's a little more to get you started: I found a note from Mecklenburg
register of marriages citing-
1865 marriage of William S. Poythress to Anna J. Jones; parents of groom
Thomas and Lucy

But don't take the word of my old scribbles; that "S" could have been an
"L". Go check it out for yourself! And happy hunting.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Wm Lewis Poythress & Ella Jones line 4-17-98Charles NealBrandon,

Thanks so much for sharing your family line info with all of us. It rang a
familiar bell with me & I have hunted for 4 hours to see why. I finally
located, in one of the several piles of
data-to-load-into-my-computer-so-it-will-be-more-retrievable (which I wish
it already had been!), the photocopies of several family charts that Ben
Poythress, Jr., my recently-deceased elderly cousin in Petersburg, VA, had
given me.

Ben recalled for me that he had been given these copies by someone trying
to research Poythresses, sometime in late 1990 or early 1991. The charts
appear to have had additional detail on the Wm Lewis Poythress filled in
around that time, by another Poythress or a Poythress descendant who Ben
recalled lives somewhere in Dinwiddie County, VA (the county around
Petersburg) and who Ben thought was in the line descended from the marriage
shown on one of these charts between Agnes Elizabeth Poythress & Walter Lee
Hudson. (Agnes was the elder sister of Foxall Alexander Poythress, per the
chart). The originals of the charts were then returned to Gladys Williams
(Mrs. Carroll Williams) in Chester, VA, from whom I think Ben got his
copies. Ben died on Feb. 8, 1998 at age 77.

I have just spoken long distance with Mrs. Williams, who is in the midst of
work on a book on the Williams and SImmons lines, trying to have it ready
for publication by the end of this year. She does not have an email
address, but I am sending her a note today asking if I might get a
more-clear copy of these charts, to better read the sources noted on the
far right side, which did not photocopy clearly.

Mrs. Williams had, back in Oct. 1990, been researching Wm. Lewis Poythress
only in a collateral way from one of her husband's JONES ancestors. Per
the chart she had compiled extensive JONES info from William Jones of Great
Creek, Mecklenburg Co, VA, born about 1737-38, and who died in 1818, thru
the children of his 2nd marriage on Feb 14, 1792 to Agnes Bolling Clack.
This William Jones' grandson James B. Jones (son of William B. Jones & Anne
___), married Martha W. Newman in Warren Co, NC Sep 27, 1821); James &
Martha have 15 children listed on the Jones chart.

FINALLY TO THE POYTHRESSes:
Their 14th child, Anna "Ella" Jane Jones (b. Oct 15, 1844) married William
Lewis Poythress (shown without any source as b. 1843 to Thomas Poythress &
Lucy Thomas, who is shown as being the daughter of Bennett Thomas, and the
grandaughter of David WinnThomas & Rebecca Brooks). They are listed as
having married Dec 20, 1865 in Mecklenburg Co, VA, at Rehobeth Church (with
no source cited for the marriage).

CHILDREN of Wm. Lewis Poythress & "Ella" Anna Jane Jones are listed as:
1) Leon Poythress, b. ___; marr. Jan. 8, 1899 to Mary E. Lambert (who was
b. about 1873) at "Bethlehem Church, Rt. 611, near Rich Bairds Bwk Co"
[NOTE: Lyn Baird -- Could this be a notation that they married at a church
located near a Baird ancestor of yours in Brunswick Co, VA?] There are
further notations in the far right column all of which I cannot read which
includes something about someone named Mary who is buried at Canaan Church
Cemetery.

2) Ella Poythress, for whom no info is given.

3) Emma Poythress, for whom no info is given.

4) Ada F. Poythress, b. ___; marr. Dec 19, 1894 near Blacks Ridge,
Mecklenburg Co, VA, to John N. Kinker, son of Henry Kinker & Lucy S. B- - -
(cut off)

5) Lily Poythress, no info given

6) Mattie Poythress, b. ___; marr. Aug 24, 1899 in Warrenton, Warren Co,
NC to Charles F. Burton of Mecklenburg Co [state not given]

7) Mittie N. Poythress, b. ___; marr. Nov. 1, 1900 to Walker L. Rainey of
Brunswick Co. [presumably VA]

8) Foxall Alexander Poythress, b. Jan 22, 1887; marr.Feb 22, 1908 to
Annie Mae Kidd (who was b. Dec 20, 1890 & who died Dec 17, 1966, & who is
buried at Rehobeth Church); Foxall is shown as d. Aug 3, 1932 & buried at
Rehobeth United Methodist Church, Hwy 26, Black Ridge, VA [NOTE: These
dates agree with those listed by Brandon in his message]

9) [presumably #9, though added at the bottom of this handwritten sheet
with no number beside the name] James D. Poythress, b. ___; marr. 1914 to
Cornelia Lynch

10) [presumably #10, though added at the bottom of this handwritten sheet
with no number beside the
name] Willie Poythress, b. ___; marr. 1902 to Sarah Lynch

Folks, I also have a sheet from this same batch for the family of Foxall
Alexander Poythress, which gives some additional info to what Brandon had.
The back of the sheet lists even the next generation. However that info
will have to be in a separate message tomorrow, since I now have to leave
to get to a meeting.

All for now,
Barbara (BPN)		04/17/1998 4:58:12
Lewis and Lewis Y.In some messages there have been references to Lewis Poythress (ca.
1770-1846) as "Lewis Y. Poythress". I'm going to need help recalling
citations where this Lewis Poythress is called Lewis Y. Poythress. I
have lost track of the basis for adding the "Y".

You need not worry that I have lost all my marbles :). I am still aware
of Lewis Y. Poythress (ca. 1813-????), son of Lewis Poythress; I still
remember Lewis' 1845 bill of sale to Lewis Y.

If there are citations supporting the "Y" in the elder, I would suggest
we all start consistently referencing him with the "Y". Else, I would
suggest we avoid it consistently, since 1) it would be speculative and 2)
it leads to confusion between the younger and the elder. Might we all
readily agree that this sport naturally breeds enough confusion that we
need not add more of our own making? [:)]

Any help on how we get the Y on the elder Lewis would be appreciated.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Wm Lewis Poythress & Ella Jones line 4-17-98YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My enthusiasm has come
unbridled. Thank you, Barbara. And yes, I'll pay top dollar for the
bestest copies of this information you would be so kind as to mail me. I
would be so very appreciative of information on the Lucy THOMAS line.
What you have agrees with what I have of the Thomas family, with some
extras I did not have.

As for Bethlehem (Methodist, of course) Church, I am quite familiar with
it. It is long defunct and the building removed. The James D. Poythress
to Cornelia Lynch is NOT a ninth child of William Lewis P. Rather, James
D. is younger brother to William Lewis P. and is my great-grandfather.
This is the second (and childless) marriage of JDP. The Willie Poythress
to Sarah Lynch is NOT a tenth child of William Lewis P. Rather, Willie
is the son of James D. Poythress, and thus my grand-uncle. You should
find information on James D. and Willie in the family notes I mailed to
you. Bethlehem was also the church of the James D. Poythress family.
Rehoboth (sic - I have recently been corrected in the spelling) is also
Methodist - of course.

Again, Barbara, your "catch-all, keep all" diligence has greatly rewarded
your fellow researchers. Thanks, thanks, thanks.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Welcome to the Family!Brandon, with the late-breaking news from Barbara Neal, it looks like you
are a confirmed descendant of Lewis Poythress, father of Thomas M.
Poythress. So far as I know, you and I are the ONLY confirmed
descendants of Lewis on the list. However, we have a great many listers
who greatly suspect their descent from this man. I say this
"club-of-two" is way too small, so let's help grow the membership! (More
on this later.) Meanwhile, welcome to the family.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Nance-Poythress-GilesLea L. DowdLyn,

Thanbk you for these references. I am interested in placing the Dennis
Bass. Here are a couple of other Bass-Poythress citations that may help.
Does anyone know of any connection?

Thank you so much,
Lea

Mecklenburg Co., VA
1816 June 28 Received of Lewis Poytrefs the sum of five dollars and forty
two cents for the land damage and all charges on 33 acres of land returned
for the nonpayment of taxes in the name of Dennis Bafs for the year 1809 in
the County of Mecklenburg which was sold to Richard Apperson at August
Court 1815.
Truly Recorded Edward S. Tabb CC

The Commonwealth of Virginia to Lewis Parham, James Harwell and John
Poynor(?) Gent. Justices of Mecklenburg County Greeting: whereas Dennis
Bafs by his Indenture of bargain and sales bearing date the 3rd day of
November 1812 hath sold and conveyed unto Lewis Poythrefs Thirty three
acres of land situated lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg on
Brellys (?) branch and whereas Mary Bafs the wife of the said Dennis Bafs
cannot conveniently travel the said County Court of Mecklenburg to
relinquish her right of dower in and to the said land conveyed and the deed
hereto annexed, ___ are therefore to commifsions and require you or any two
of you that you privily and apart from the said Dennis her husband to
examine the said Mary touching her free relinquishment of dower in and to
the said lands and that thereof you plainly and distinctly certify and
inclose to the Justices of our County Court of Mecklenburg aforesaid, under
your hands and seals, together with this commifson and deed Witnefs William
Baskervill Clerk of our said Court the 5th day of November 1813 in the 38th
year of the Commonwealth. W Baskerville

In compliance with the written commifsion to us directed we have examined
the within named Mary Bafs as herein required and do hereby certify that
she hath freely and voluntarily relinquished her right of dower in and to
the land conveyed in the annexed Indenture and consent that the same shall
be recorded in the Court of this County. Given under our hands and seals
this 6th day of November 1813.
Lewis Parham, James Harwell

Halifax CO., NC WB 3:624. 13 Oct 1812/Aug Ct. 1818
Dennis Bass
Legatees: wife bed & furniture for her life; son William P. Bass money;
grandson Benjamin D. Bass and my granddaughter Mary A. Bass. Wit: Tippoo S.
Brownlow, ____ Dancy. Ex: Dr. Isaac Edwards.		04/17/1998 9:14:06
Warren Co NC Poythress MarriagesCharles NealRe Sarah's message: >>I copied this from the Warren County Register of
Deeds marriage records. Hayes Poythress and Irma Mae Cliborne, Nov. 27,
1936.<<

Sarah, Thanks for this additional info. Are there any other Poythress
marriages you copied while there that we haven't recently seen listed?
Would appreciate seeing them!

Thanks,
BPN		04/17/1998 11:50:38
Re: Fwd: 1850 Mecklenburg, VA Censusp KoscheskiIN this message from Sarah is the abbreviation "Carpt." WHAT does that
stand for? Patti K

Portermom1 wrote:
>
> Hello Poythress list,
>
> I am one of those silent watchers of your information. First let me say I love
> reading all the information. I am researching the Poythress name as well as
> the surname Gregory. Keep digging guys, I feel sure the link to my Poythress
> will show up one day.
>
> Just a slight correction to the attached message: Son Alzernon is probably
> Algernon, it happens to be a name that runs in my Gregory line as well. It is
> pronounced Al-ger-nun.
>
> Bruce (Poythress) Porter
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: 1850 Mecklenburg, VA Census
> Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:17:06 -0700 (PDT)
> Resent-From: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:22:00 -0400
> From: "Sarah Poythress"
> To:
>
> Dale & I went to the Richmond, VA Library Saturday. I was looking for
> John Lewis Poythress' father. What I found did not register on me
> until today.
>
> I copied this out of the 1850 Mecklingburg, VA census book.
>
> 09-23-1850
> 217 Poythress, James 45 Carpt. 792
> Catherine 45
> Joshua 21 Carpt.
> Nathan 19 Lab.
> Wm. 16 do
> Catherine 13
> Rebecca 11
> Penelope 9
> Anzernon 6m
> Verdina 4f
>
> What came to me today, James & Joshua are used at different times for
> the same person. The age fits, but he was married at the time, so why
> would he have been at home with his parents? I thought they had moved
> to Sumterville, AL before this date.
>
> Does anyone have in views on this?
>
> Sarah
>
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Portis Gold MinesVKRatliffThere is a mountain of more than just circumstantial evidence that suggests
Portis is a variant of Poythress. Still, some cynics have a teeny tiny
reservation about this name variant from time to time.

Now that we know Mr. Portis had a gold mine to which we all obviously have a
clear and present claim, I hereby renounce my occasional membership among
those bad, bad cynics.

Seriously, I'm a bit puzzled by this one. Early 1830's matches the time frame
of gold strikes in the Piedmont Plateau area of north GA & southern NC. The
government quickly established mints at Charlotte, NC and Dahlonga, GA....to
be sure motivated more by politics than need but at least there was gold
there. In a previous life as a collector of Dahlonega coins I did some study
on the matter.

I'll look up Mr. Pearce's book but in the meanwhile a couple of questions for
anyone who knows. Is Woods, NC in the Piedmont? Looks to be but my atlas
doesn't have elevations. And given the price of gold at the time $3 million
was a fairly big lode; I would have guessed Mr. Portis would have gotten a ton
of press such as it was in those days.

Gold in the Charlotte/Dahlonega Piedmont typically showed up in veins as
opposed to pockets. And mining the stuff required extraordinary
equipment...enormous sluice contraptions and rivers of water because you had
to process tons and tons of dirt to extract a tiny bit of gold. It wasn''t
like "panning" and finding a nougat the size of a
kid's marble. What you got was "heavy dust"....but gold just the same.

I'm sure this was not missed by the folks owning farms adjoining Mr. Portis'
farm but I'd sure be drilling some core samples even if I lived there today.
Gold is like cockroaches....there ain't ever "just one".

Maynard		04/19/1998 4:51:17
Fwd: 1850 Mecklenburg, VA CensusPortermom1Hello Poythress list,

I am one of those silent watchers of your information. First let me say I love
reading all the information. I am researching the Poythress name as well as
the surname Gregory. Keep digging guys, I feel sure the link to my Poythress
will show up one day.

Just a slight correction to the attached message: Son Alzernon is probably
Algernon, it happens to be a name that runs in my Gregory line as well. It is
pronounced Al-ger-nun.

Bruce (Poythress) Porter
04/19/1998 4:57:58
AlgernonVKRatliffHup! Say, Barbara Neal, isn't that one of your names?

Maynard

04/19/1998 5:03:59
Foxhall A. Poythress line, 4-19-98Charles NealI (BPN) have combined below the info available on Foxhall Alexander
Poythress. The handwritten Family Group Sheets that were prepared in late
1990 for Mrs. Williams, seem to have been done by one of Foxhall's sisters,
due to the detailed names in one family.

This list provides a framework for us. It can help us recognize WHO might
have additional info on Foxhall's ancestors. Even some of Foxhall Sr's
first grandchildren listed here could be nearing 70 now, and could have a
treasure-chest full of family memorabilia.

> > > > > > > > ABBREVIATIONS USED HERE:
- b. is for "born;" m. is for "married;" d. is for "died;" and bu. is
for "buried"
- Rehoboth: a United Methodist Church which was shown as being on Hwy 26,
Blackridge, VA (which is in the far east edge of Mecklenburg Co, very near
Brunswick Co.) Presumably the cemetery is adjacent to the church (Lyn
Poythress Baird can get us more specific directions to the church)
> > > > > > > >
Foxhall Alexander Poythress, Sr. (son of Wm Lewis Poythress & "Ella" Anna
Jane Jones), b. 22 Jan 1887
m. 22 Feb 1908 Annie Mae Kidd (who was b. 20 Dec 1890 & d. 17 Dec 1966; bu.
Rehoboth. Her parents were James John Kidd & Nannie Elizabeth Grey, no
dates given for their lives)
d. 3 Aug 1932; bu. Rehoboth
CHILDREN:
1. Loraine Carstairs Poythress, b. 23 May 1909 Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Willie Dollar Bolton (He d. 27 Jan 1985, noted as died in NC)
d. 30 Oct 1984, in NC
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- William Alexander Bolton
- Charles Wright Bolton
- Willie Dollar Bolton, Jr.
- Robert Lewis Bolton
- Rebecca Mae Bolton
- Ann Carstairs Bolton
- James Earl Bolton
- Arthur Davis Bolton
Greatgrandchil. of Foxhall, Sr, who are grandchildren of this couple: 17,
couldn't name them all, so none were listed, & gave no indication which
children any of them belonged with

2. Hayes Altomont Poythress, b. 16 Jun 1912, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Erma Mae Cliborne
d. 5 Sep 1965, South Hill, Mecklenburg Co, VA
Grandchild of Foxhall Sr, who is the child of this couple:
- Gene Ross Poythress, who m. Betty Ann George & had 2 children(who would
be ggrandchildren of Foxhall Sr): Jennifer & Leslie Poythress (no
indication whether Leslie is a male or female)

3. James William Poythress (gdad of Brandon) b. 19 Feb 1916, Mecklenburg
Co, VA
m. Bernice [NOTE: Brandon gives her last name as Crutchfield; Williams'
sheet gives her last name as Edmonds; or maybe he had 2 consecutive wives
both named Bernice?]
d. Feb 1992
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- James William Poythress b. 8 Feb 1949 according to Brandon [though his
name was given in Williams' sheet as James Wayne Poythress] According to
Brandon, he m. Pam Stanly, & had 2 children (who would be ggrandchildren of
Foxhall, Sr.): Brent and Page-Carol
- Michael William Poythress (Brandon's dad), b. 16 Oct 1951 according to
Brandon [though his name was given in Williams' sheet as William Lewis
Poythress] Accofding to Brandon, he m. Jane Jordan, who was b. 11 Apr 1952,
& had one child (a ggrandchild of Foxhall, Sr.), Michael Brandon Poythress,
who is m. to Lisa C. Schuldt
- Carolyn Poythress, who m. Daniel Paynter acc. to Brandon
- Jerry Keith Poythress, who has a child Brian (another ggrandchild of
Foxhall, Sr.) acc. to Brandon
- Bonnie Poythress
- Roger Poythress, who acc. to Brandon, m. Patsy Wells & had 2 children (2
more ggrandchil of Foxhall, Sr.): Stephanie (who m. Sam Sullivan) &
Brittany
GGrandchildren of Foxhall, Sr: 8 according to Williams' sheet, with no
names or indication whose, but perhaps the 8 was a miscount since Brandon's
info above gives us only 6 ggrandchildren, I believe, for this couple.

4. Everette Lewis, b. 4 Feb 1919, Mecklenburg Co, VA; never married; d. 17
Mar 1986 as given in Williams' sheet which was completed in 1990 ( Brandon
had a typo, March 17, 1996); bu. Rehoboth

5. Agnes Elizabeth Poythress, b. 10 Mar 1922, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Walter Lee Hudson, who was b. 16 Jul 1923
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- Helen Marie Hudson
- Joyce Ann Hudson
- Dannie Lee Hudson, who had 2 of this couple's grandchildren (or 2
ggrandchildren of Foxhall, Sr): Kelly Rebecca Hudson & Jason Alexander
Hudson (no indication of Dan's wife's name)
Other ggrandchildren of Foxhall Sr. or grandchildren of this couple
(apparently children of either Helen or Joyce): Catherine Gibbs Starr,
Melissa Hudson Starr, & Theresa Dobb Starr

6. Foxhall Alexander Poythress, Jr., b. 19 Aug 1924, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Roberta Horne
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- Laura Jane Poythress
- Elizabeth Poythress
- Robert Alexander Poythress
GGrandchildren of Foxhall, Sr, who are grandchildren of this couple (1 for
one daughter & 2 for other daughter, with no indication which is which):
Michael Butterfield; and Ernest Thompson, Jr. & Randall Thompson

7. John Francis Poythress, b. 27 Apr 1927, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Adele Clark
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- John Francis Poythress, Jr.
- Lura Poythress
- Rita Poythress
- Sue Poythress
GGrandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are grandchil of this couple: 6, but gave
no names or indication of thru which child

8. [Note: This daughter was left out of Brandon's list the other day]
Ella Mae Poythress, b. 8 Jun 1929, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Louie Frank Kidd
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- Louie Frank Kidd, Jr.
- Reggie Thomas Kidd
- Clyde Earl Kidd
GGrandchildren of Foxhall, Sr, who are grandchildren of this couple: 2
sets, with no indication whose: Stephen & Daniel Kidd; and Amy, Bryan, &
Paul Kidd

9. Thomas Smith Poythress, b. 30 Jan 1932, Mecklenburg Co, VA
m. Mildred Kelly
Grandchildren of Foxhall Sr, who are children of this couple:
- Cynthia (Cindy) Poythress
- Jeffrey T. Poythress
GGrandchildren of Foxhall, Sr, who would be grandchildren of this couple:
none as of the 1990 sheet		04/19/1998 9:01:51
L Y Poythress Confederate RecordCharles Neal4-19-98

I realized a while ago that I have a copy of the Compiled Confederate
Service Record for L. Y. Poythress, also spelled L. Y. Poythross on one of
the envelopes.

He was a Private in Capt. Scott's Company, Virginia Local Defense, Co. A,
Greensville County Home Guard, listed as age 45 on a card showing that his
name appears on that company's muster roll dated Sept. 9, 1864. It further
shows he was enlisted July 1863 at Hicksford, by E. P. Scott, for the
period of the war. At the bottom of the card he was marked "Present".
Further, under Remarks, is written: "Exempt on account of being very lame
in one leg."

The other card for him also shows him as age 45, on a List (for the above
company) "of members of the organization named above, between the ages of
17 and 50, furnished by K.G. Holland, Lieut. and E. O. Greensville County,
Va" with the notation that the List was dated at Hicksford on Sept. 11,
1864. Under Remarks, is written only: "Physical Disability"

All for now, folks,
Barbara (BPN)		04/19/1998 9:01:53
Re: Fwd: 1850 Mecklenburg, VA CensusCharles NealPatti,

It stands for "Carpenter." Both James Edward Poythress & his son Algernon
(my ggdad) were good working with wood.

BPN

04/19/1998 9:18:16
Archives?plassDoes the Poythress mailing list have any type of archives for their
past messages that can be accessed? Maybe it would save my face on
future messages if I was aware of past discussions (I'm fairly new to
this mailing list and obviously behind all the rest of you with my
information). Thanks!

P.Lassiter

04/19/1998 9:53:17
Willard Lee Poythress' line 4-19-98Charles NealAnother longtime quiet listener, Cindy (CLamb5582@aol.com) has sent me
(BPN) some information on her Poythress mother's line to help us examine
another part of the big Poythress puzzle. Cindy notes that her mother grew
up in the area of Wilson, NC, and that their people were earlier in Nash
Co, NC (apparently before Wilson Co was formed in the 1850s). She further
said "I know down the line somewhere I am kin to Peter Poythress." She
said that both her Poythress grandfather's mother (Eunice Newsome/Newsom)
and her gggrandfather (not further identified in this first info) have part
Indian in them. She also knows that she has relatives in VA.

Cindy has noticed that for some odd reason some Poythress folks "do not
want to talk about the past. I do not know why. There was a Sallie
Poythress who was my gggAunt, who died last year at age 109. Everyone said
that you could ask her some information about the Poythress line and she
could tell you. But I did not get there in time to talk to her. She was
living in Delaware." (BPN: perhaps she was on the Eastern Shore, on the
DelMarVa peninsula, north of the Virginia & Maryland part of the
peninsula.)

I had initially asked Cindy if she could possibly get ANY dates and
locations for these folks' births, marriages, where they lived and died.
She said that since her grandmother in NC is not doing too well, she has
been going back to NC a lot lately from SC (where Cindy currently lives).
She said that she prints a copy of everything she gets from the
Poythress-List, and sends it to her grandmother since gmother does not
have a computer. "I am helping her locate some Poythress folks. I will get
some dates for you and more information. If you need to know anything I
will try to help you as much as I can. You can send this around & I will
keep you up to date and be watching everyone. Y'all are doing a great job.
Cindy"
>>>
> This is the some of the information that I have on my Poythress line.
This is
> about all the information that I am able to locate right at this moment.
>
> GGGAunt Sallie Poythress (mentioned above, died in 1997 at age 109)
> GGGrandmother Mamie Poythress [BPN note: Cindy - Is this the right place
> for Mamie, as mother-in-law of Eunice? Or am I confused & Mamie
> is another name for Eunice?]
>
> Great-grandparents: _____ Poythress & Eunice Newsom/Newsome
> Children (Cindy's grandfather & her greataunts & greatuncles):
> [BPN note: I'm not sure about the order of their births. Cindy's
grandfather
> & his 3 brothers are listed first here]
> Willard Lee Poythress (Cindy's grandfather)
> Luther Poythress
> Aubrey Poythress
> John Lee Poythress
> Essie Mae Poythress
> Annie Maude Poythress
> Mary Lee Poythress,
> Sallie Poythress [Cindy was there indeed another greatAunt Sallie here,
as
> a sister of your grandfather? Or is this an extra Sallie?]

> Children of grandfather Willard Lee Poythress & wife Lucille Hathoway:
> Linda Poythress once marred to Ronnie Shington; divorced; then married
> William (Bill) Campbell
> Ruby Poythress married William (Bill) Glover
> Barbara Poythress (Cindy's mother) married Ernest L. Boykin
> Dot Poythress once married to a Doug Matthews; divorced; then later
> married to Bruce Rose (who is mayor for Wilson, NC)
> Jimmy Poythress married to Judy __??
> William (Billy) Poythress married to Glenda __??		04/19/1998 11:57:25
Archives?Charles NealIn answer to Phyllis' question, yes, the Poythress-List does have an
archives for all its messages. Go to
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl (Note, those last two
are both letters, as in "place")

When you get connected to that site, there is a little window where all you
need to type is "Poythress" and then hit the "Submit" button. Then you'll
be at our archives & can search for whatever you wish.

BPN

04/19/1998 12:16:12
Re: Parents of John Lewis PoythressSarah, I'm assuming you have seen my message suggesting Edward P. as a
father for your John Lewis P. If I understand that you are asking
whether John P., son of Lewis P., is also a good candidate for father of
John Lewis P., in my opinion it is unlikely. We believe this John P. is
the same as the Jack P. who dies unwed and childless in 1818. Would you
perhaps have evidence to the contrary?

Now let me ask you to please share your source for this list of 8
children of Lewis P. It looks a lot like the worksheet I sent you, with
minor differences; notably the presence of a daughter "Catherine Jane"
instead of the "Sarah" on my worksheet. (Quotations of sources for all
this information would, I believe, help the rest of us in pursuing this
John Lewis P. parentage with you.)

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:17:40 -0400 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>Hi Lyn,
>
>First, let me thank you for all of your research on my behalf, and
>apologize for not getting back to you before now. Since I received
>your information I haven't had time to set down I study it.
>
>Since I wrote you I found something else I wrote down while in the
>Library at Richmond, Va. It didn't mean anything to me at the time. I
>have Tom's (my brother-in-law in Saudi) He has John Lewis' father
>listed as James Poythress, b. 1803, m. Catherine ?. Naturaly I asumed
>this was James Edward Poythress and Catherine Preston, so I was
>looking to prove this even tho events were pointing in another
>direction.
>
>Facts I have on John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 Aug. 1829 in Mecklinburg,
>VA. Died 27 Feb. 1905 in Vance County, NC. Married Tabitha Ann Nunn,
>born about1834. They are both buried at New Bethel Church, no
>headstones. I cannot find any record of their marriage. They had 3
>boys and 8 girls. One boy Joseph Sidney is Dale's ggrandfather and
>Joshue E. is the ggrandfather of Claude Raymond from the List. The
>third brother married Eva Joyner 25 Dec. 1888. Then he seems to have
>disappeared. BPN notes Ray as saying he thought one went to Texas,
>but he knew nothing about him.
>His sister (Ray's) didn't know anything about him either. John Lewis
>served 4 years in the Civil War
>
>This is what I copied from the marriage records:
>
>Edward Poythress Mahaley Nance Oct. 10,
>1828
>Lewis Poythress Martha E. Walker July ,
>1846
>Lewis Y. Poythress Mary C. Ferguson July 20,
>1846
>Martha Jane Poythress Father David John Tucker Oct. 18, 1848
>Rebecca L. Poythress Father Lewis Poythress Surety David
> m. Benjamin Standley
>Jan. 22, 1832
>
>Poythress, Lewis & Rebecca B. Taylor, April 9,1802, Thomas Watson sec.
>Poythress, Lewis & Patsey Giles, Dec. 25, 1793, Meredith Poythress sec
>Poythress, William & Ann Bently Nov. 10, 1802, Thomas Rogers sec
>
>Lewis & Elizabeth Giles children?
>1)John (1794<1802 -???) married ?
>2)Edward (1798 ->1850) married Mahaley Nance Dec. 10, 1828
>
>Lewis & Rebecca's children ?
>3)James (1805 ->1850) married Catherine ? before 1830
>4)David (1806 -> 1850) married (1)Mary Speed Dortch
> (2) Sally
>Dortch
>5)Catherine Jane
>6)Rebecca
>7)Lewis Y. (1815<1820 - 1870) married Mary C. Ferguson July 20,
> 1846
>8)Thomas M. (1823 ->1870) married Lucy Thomas before 1846
> (1)William 1846?
> (2)James David
>
>This John could fit. What do you think?
>
>Sarah P.
>
>

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Re: Portis Gold MinesMaynard, I have not checked an atlas, but I would guess Woods, NC, would
be on the eastern border of the Piedmont. In that section the Piedmont
will lie approximately west of a line drawn straight from Roanoke Rapids,
NC, to Wake Forest, NC.

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Re: Wm L Poythress Correction 4-18-98Obviously there is a cemetery at Rehoboth. I do not recall whether there
is one at Bethlehem. Incidentally, Rehoboth lies only a few miles south
of the home and burial of Thomas M. Poythress, and on the same road.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 03:17:09 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>Dear All,
>
>Thanks to Lyn Poythress Baird for the below info about the William
>Lewis
>Poythress & Ella Jones family sheet's message that I posted on
>4-17-98.
>Appreciate the clarification about what I had wrongly interpreted as
>children 9 & 10, which on this sheet had NOT been numbered as
>children, but
>which were just names added in the bottom margin of the sheet. Great
>to
>know that these were a brother & a nephew of Wm Lewis rather than
>additional kids.
>
> Also appreciate the info about the churches mentioned on the sheet.
>THANK
>YOU, LYN. If anyone has visited these burial sites, and can tell us
>whether any stones exist there, SURE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. Would
>certainly
>be worth a trip to photograph & transcribe them next time I am in
>Virginia
>if there are stones!!
>
>I'm going to do my long-delayed data-loading into my genealogy program
>today before sending you folks info from the Foxall Poythress family
>sheet,
>in hopes of catching any more such misinterpretation-snafus before I
>send
>them out. :-))
>BPN
>> > >
>
>> Message text written by INTERNET:llbaird@juno.com
>> The James D. Poythress to Cornelia Lynch is NOT a ninth child of
>William
>Lewis P. Rather, James
>> D. is younger brother to William Lewis P. and is my
>great-grandfather.
>This is the second (and
>> childless) marriage of JDP.
>
>> The Willie Poythress to Sarah Lynch is NOT a tenth child of William
>Lewis
>P. Rather, Willie is the
>> son of James D. Poythress, and thus my grand-uncle.
>
>> As for Bethlehem (Methodist, of course) Church, I am quite familiar
>with
>it. It is long defunct and the
>> building removed.
>
>> Bethlehem was also the church of the James D. Poythress family.
>Rehoboth
>(sic - I have recently
>> been corrected in the spelling) is also Methodist - of course.
>
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Re: NANCE-POYTHRESSDavid, thanks for sharing your website and your knowledge. If interested
you are welcome to visit the Poythress website...
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Dave Nance
writes:

A Nance researcher forwarded me a post you made to a Poythress discussion
group because she thought I'd be interested in the Nance connections. I
thought I'd let you know about some thoughts and information I have on
what you discussed. As is typical in this area, I don't have any
answers,
just scraps of suggestive info that may hang together or may not.

The Nances of Mecklenburg Co in the time period of the early 1800's may
well be in the line of Isham Nance. In his Will of Nov 17, 1770, William
Nance left his son Isham Nance 200 acres of land "lying in Mecklenburg Co
adjacent to Reuben Nance and William Fox". Isham moved there and lived
there. The "Nance Register", the best Nance family genealogy, has this
information:

ISHAM NANCE (b.abt. 1747, BRUNSWICK, VA - d.abt.1818), md. FRANCIS. The
account of the settlement of his estate is found in Mecklenburg Co Deed
Bk. 8, P. 436, John Nance, Administrator. Children of Isham and Frances
were:
1) John
2) Isham Jr.
3) Thomas
4) William
5) Nancy
6) Fanny
7) Polly m.Harwell
8) Elizabeth m. Mitchell

but the "Nance Register" has nothing else about this family.

The following Mecklenburg Co VA marriages:

Nov. 2. 1828 - Mahaley Nance to Edward Poythress, Security: W.
Drumwright.

Sept. 8. 1835 Sarah Nance (dau. of John) to Henry Wartman, Security:
Isham Nance.

probably reflect this family. My guess is, that the John and Isham
referred to in the record of Sarah Nance's marriage are the sons of Isham
and Frances. Mahaley (Mahalia) Nance was probably a granddaughter of
Isham and Frances, but through which son is not clear.

As to the references in the Will of Jack "Potress", the "Nance Register"
notes that the Mar. 10 1818 Will of Edward Giles in Mecklenburg Co
mentions a granddau. "Milly Nance". I could speculate (but cannot prove,
of course) that the "James S. Nance" referred to in the Will of Jack
Potress was another grand-child of Isham and Frances Nance.

Of course, things could be and probably are a lot more complicated than
this. For example, what to make of the fact that while a "W. Drumwright"
was Security for the marriage of Mahaley Nance and Edward Poythress, a
William DRUMWRIGHT was Security for the 16 Dec 1791 marriage of Molly
Nance (dau. of Robert) to Gray Allen -- and, on Dec. 28 1830 Lucy A.
Nance(consent for whom was given by her Guardian Benjamin W. Davis) was
married to to James M. DRUMWRIGHT -- and, on Jan. 25 1839, Mildred Nance
married to William DRUMWRIGHT in Brunswick Co.

A here is a final bit of confusion -- an OLD Nance-Poythress connection.
In 1725, Joshua Pritchett deeded to Henry Willson, 50a. in Bristol Parish
bounded by Bayley's Westerly Run, Henry Batte and WILLIAM POYTHRESS.
Witn: ROBERT POYTHRESS, William Clency, DANIEL NANCE, James Boisseau.
("Pr. Geo. Co Wills & Deeds 1713-1728", B. J. Weisiger, p. 843). There
is
clearly a connection between this Daniel Nance, and the William Nance (m.
Ann) referred to above who died in about 1770 and was the father of
Isham,
but it has never been established what that connection is.

I have a website devoted to Nance Genealogy, and you can find some
information there, or post a query, or just find the names and e-mails of
other Nance researchers. It's at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/dnance/nancegen.htm

Dave Nance

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Re: NanceThanks for sharing. Very interesting...another Elizabeth Giles marriage
in the same county? And only three years after the marriage of Lewis
Poythress to Elizabeth Giles in Mecklenburg? Please share source and any
other information - consent, surety, etc.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:56:27 -0700 Murphy writes:
>Well, I shall very carefully give you this. In Mecklenburg County VA 4
>Oct 1795 Thomas Nance married Elizabeth Giles. And, in Southhampton
>County VA (not too far from Meck.) William Nance md Polly Bass 12 Nov
>1796. Then, in 1820, a Thomas Nance appears on the 1820 census of
>Southhampton County VA. Good luck. Hazel
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written artifacts and such. Suggestions would be appreciated both
regarding flatbed scanners and computer resources required (e.g. hard
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Re: Parents of John Lewis PoythressSarah PoythressLyn,

The only evidence I have is what I copied, which implies that he was
married, but could not read name. I copied this information at the
Library of Virginia. They have copied some of the microfilm,and put it
into books. This is where they told me to look first, so I wouldn't
have to look at all of the microfilm if someone had copied it. This
info was in the Mecklinburg County marriage records.

I remembered that someone had told me that John Lewis served
4 yrs. in the Civil War in Co F 14th VA Regiment. If you go to the
Poythress Web page and look under the military names you will find
John L. listed in this regiment. This is the only thing I have found
outside of family, birth cirtificates of his children with his name
listed as father, Ann Poythress listed as mother & his obitary that
proves there was a John Lewis Poythress.

Edward & Mahaley could have been his parents. They were married 10
Dec. 1828 and John was born 29 Aug 1829. That is only 8 mo., but it
doesn't always take 9 mo. for the first child. Does anyone know the
names of their children? From the same source, except in the 1850
census book, I have Edward 52, lab., Mahala 47, by her name they had
m. 11-02-1820. This would make them a better canidate for John's
parents. Children listed were Sarah A. 18, Harrie H. 16 and
George 12. In 1850 John would have been 21 years old. I hope I have
figured this right. It is almost 12 AM, so I am not thinking too good.

Sarah P.		04/20/1998 9:44:45
Re: Foxhall A. Poythress line, 4-19-98Charles Neal4-20-98

Dear Brandon (with copy to the List),

Glad to hear your feedback (copied below for others following progress of
this line).

Re your question about a computer program for genealogy: I wouldn't do it
any other way than with a computer! And I recommend you go ahead and get a
program & start sticking the info in as you find it. I understand that
Family Tree Maker (which is available in stores that sell computer
software) is the most user-friendly & most powerful combination for the
money. (It is not the one I use, but if I had it all to do over again it
is the one I would pick now!)

Please be sure to let us all know on the List what other info you
confirm/correct as you learn more on your line.

Barbara (BPN)
> > >
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:14:51 -0400
From: Poythress
To: Charles Neal
Subject: Re: Foxhall A. Poythress line, 4-19-98

I did some additional checking in light of your message and you were
right about some things.

1) First son of James William, son of Foxall, was James Wayne, not James
William.

2) Maiden name of my grandmother was Edmonds. She was confused and was
telling me her mother's maiden name.

3) I'm checking other dates, i.e. my dad's to make absolutely sure. The
list I copied from was compliled by myself in 1987 or so and I was much
younger then.

Thanks for the info. I really enjoy tracing my line like this. I never
knew my ggdad was William Lewis and am looking forward to continuing the
line.

Do you have any sugesstions for software for geneology, that is if you
use the computer.

Brandon		04/20/1998 10:57:48
pictureRighton McCallumIf you have any pictures left, I should very much like one. I'd be glad
to pay for it or at least the postage if you'll let me. Righton McCallum
208 W. 9th North Street, Summerville, SC 29483 Yes, that is the
correct address though why the railroad which laid out this town
couldn't make it NW like a city I can't imagine!		04/21/1998 6:21:38
Amelia Co. VA William PoythressStarrHello everyone,
I'm another of those silent monitors of this list hoping someday
someone will stumble across some of my allied lines while looking for
POYTHRESS. This one may be old hat to you all, but I don't remember any
one mentioning Amelia Co. VA. I found this on a General Index to Deeds
Etc. GRANTORS, Amelia Co. VA (page 33) I requested for my Jonas JORDAN.

Sam'l JORDAN Jr. is under Grantors and William POYTHRESS under GRANTEEs
for deed, Book 3, page 315 in the year 1749

The county sent me copies of "only" Jonas Jordan entries and I
have this only because it fell in between other entries for Jonas / his
wife.. In other words, there may be other entries for this William
Poythress. Good luck. Linda

Linda Sparks Starr
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
starr81@ix.netcom.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7592/stargrp.html		04/21/1998 7:02:42
marriagesMurphyOK, Lyn. I checked the Mecklenburg marriages and you are right. That's
where it happened. John Wartman md Martha N Giles 14 Nov 1831, b-Edward
Giles, con-John Nance, gdn of Martha, min-John Wesley Chiles.

At the same time, I gathered a few more of the marriages that involved
Poythress and Nance. Just in case anyone wants them:

Henry Wartman md Sarah Nance 8 Sep 1835, b-Isham Nance, consent-John
Nance father of Sarah who test she is 21.

Edward Poythress md Mahaley Nance 2 Nov 1828, b.-Wm Drumwright,
min-James Smith 10 Dec 1828.

(I am not sure whether the two dates are bond and marriage or marriage
and return. Tried to find explanation at front of book. Nothing.)

Lewis Poythress md Elizabeth Giles 26 Dec 1792, b-Meredith Poythress,
min-John Loyd 27 Dec 1792.

Thomas Nance md Elizabeth Giles 4 Oct 1795, b-John Cleaton, min-John
Loyd 22 Dec 1793.

Fanny M Nance md Edward Giles 12 Feb 1818, b.-thomas Cleaton.

This is not all of the Nance and/or Poythress marriages in Mecklenburg.
I only copied those that seemed to connect to what Lyn was talking
about. Hazel		04/21/1998 7:56:40
a NC Poythress LineCharles Neal4-21-98
Cindy (& others),

See if this (below) fits in with your particular NC Poythress line. Jean
Poythress Spille (the lady that Bruce mentions in his message) formerly
contributed much info on these mixed-up types of lineages to our group, and
we even explored a "Portuguese" possibility for a while, as I recall. Hope
Jean will be back with us again sometime soon, if she is not out there
quietly listening right now; miss her thought-provoking additions.

Thanks so much to Bruce for contributing this info, which will hopefully
help all of us figure out more of this huge Poythress puzzle of ours. I'm
posting this to the entire Poythress Research List of recipients because
for us all to progress in our research, we need to share info. And that is
what this List is for. We all will gain in our research if any feedback to
the below message comes to all of us. Thanks for any help any of you may
have on this.

Best regards to all,
Barbara (BPN)
> > >
>From: Portermom1
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:17:06 EDT
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com

Barbara,
I think Cindy may be headed in the direction of my Poythress line which is
the
same as Jean Spille. Our 1st is James b. 1796 m. Sarah Crowder 1-13-1826,
Northampton County, NC with children:
William b. 1830 m. Emmeline
James W. b. 1832 m. Rebecca O High 11-29-1870
Luvel b.1835 m. Amanda Turner (part Indian)
Sterling b.1840
Joseph b. 1843-1850 m. Hattie or Katie
Richard P. b.1847 m. Ada Turner (part Indian) (sister of Amanda)
Adiline b.1858
Julia m. John Bass 9-3-1866

This is just a bit of the information I have but the oldest. Cindy has the
same type of history because back then mixed blood was considered non-white
and non-white traditionally meant black, mulatto or all others. There was a
great deal of discrimination back then against any and all non-whites. You
may
have heard most of this before from Jean Spille. If Cindy can add to any of
this or find any correlations I would appreciate any additional information
she may have.

I am one of the silent list people because I haven't found the direct link
to
the others.

Thanks for listening,
Bruce Porter (Poythress)<		04/21/1998 8:47:11
Amelia Co. VA William PoythressCharles NealLinda,

Thanks so much for the Amelia Co info on Wm! Hope you are doing well these
days (I am, thank goodness).

Barbara (BPN)

04/21/1998 8:47:15
Meck. Co VAMurphySorry, forgot to give you source for those marriages. MECKLENBURG COUNTY
MARRIAGES 1765-1853 by John Vogt. Hazel		04/21/1998 9:45:37
Hi guys! I found another Poythress for you.Marion U. PockrusAl & Maynard, Lynn and Barb & the rest. Found a William Poythress in
"Habersham Co., Georgia." Chapter 12 part A. The Book is of the same
name. He is listed in an accounting book of Duke Hamilton Wynn.
Majority of purchases were for alcoholic drinks so items purchased were not
listed. A time frame was not either but they were early 1800s in most
cases in the book. Went back and then searched, Marriages books, court
records and was unable to find him in any other record. Did not check a
census.
Helene/ Pockrus who was digging for a Hancock, not a Pockrus for a change.		04/22/1998 7:32:22
Hi guys! I found another Poythress for you.Charles NealHelene,

Good Going, Gal !! I'll have to pull out a GA map now. Thanks so much.

Barbara

04/22/1998 11:03:43
1850 Census, VA: Greensville Co.Charles NealCompiled below (and available to Al Tims to put up on the Poythress
website, where we have the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 Census info) is the
1850 Federal Census info that I (Barbara Poythress Neal) happen to have
collected thru the years on Poythress folks in Greensville County from
going thru microfilm. The National Archives microfilm series for the 1850
Census is M432.

PLEASE if any of you have additional 1850 Census listings for Poythress
families in ANY state, we'd all appreciate it if you'd dig it out and share
the info with all of us here on the Poythress-List. THANKS!!

> > >
NOTE: NOT EVERY POYTHRESS IS IN A HOUSEHOLD OF THE SAME LAST NAME.
> > >
ABBREVIATIONS/conventions I am using here:
- HH is the dwelling household number
- F# is family number
- Name: with family members' last names are the same or are shown with
ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will here
just use ditto marks too even though the ditto will NOT be lined up
correctly
- Age, Sex, & Place of birth listed are shown here immediately following
the person's name. NOTE: For family members whose place of birth is shown
with ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will
here NOT list a place of birth. If the person was born somewhere
different, I will put it.
- $ is for the listed Value of Real Estate Owned
- Following the above info, I'll put the "Profession, Occupation, or
Trade of each Male Person over 15 years of age" if the Census taker noted
it.
- "Sch" if the Census taker noted that person had "Attended School Within
the Year"
- NOTE: Family members are assumed in this Census as "White" unless noted
otherwise. If found, B would be for Black; M would be for Mulatto

> > > >
VA - Greensville County

Page stamped #383, enumerated on 5 Sept:
HH [cut off my poor copy]; F#[181?]:
William Poythress, 23 M, Va, Labourer
Julia " , 18 F

Page stamped #392, enumerated 20 Sept:
HH [cut off my copy]; F#340:
L. Y. Poythress, 37 [or possibly 32] M, Va, Overseer
Mary " , 43 F
[Note: this hhold is at the bottom of the page, immediately below a hhold
of Epps]		04/24/1998 1:10:12
1850 Census, VA: Richmond City & Henrico CoCharles NealCompiled below (and available to Al Tims to put up on the Poythress
website, where we have the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 Census info) is the
1850 Federal Census info that I (Barbara Poythress Neal) happen to have
collected thru the years on Poythress folks in "City of Richmond in the
County of Henrico" from going thru microfilm. The National Archives
microfilm series for the 1850 Census is M432.

PLEASE if any of you have additional 1850 Census listings for Poythress
families in ANY state, we'd all appreciate it if you'd dig it out and share
the info with all of us here on the Poythress-List. THANKS!!

> > >
NOTE: NOT EVERY POYTHRESS IS IN A HOUSEHOLD OF THE SAME LAST NAME.
> > >
ABBREVIATIONS/conventions I am using here:
- HH is the dwelling household number
- F# is family number
- Name: with family members' last names are the same or are shown with
ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will here
just use ditto marks too even though the ditto will NOT be lined up
correctly
- Age, Sex, & Place of birth listed are shown here immediately following
the person's name. NOTE: For family members whose place of birth is shown
with ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will
here NOT list a place of birth. If the person was born somewhere
different, I will put it.
- $ is for the listed Value of Real Estate Owned
- Following the above info, I'll put the "Profession, Occupation, or
Trade of each Male Person over 15 years of age" if the Census taker noted
it.
- "Sch" if the Census taker noted that person had "Attended School Within
the Year"
- NOTE: Family members are assumed in this Census as "White" unless noted
otherwise. If found, B would be for Black; M would be for Mulatto

> > > >
VA - "No. 8" [? portion of] "City of Richmond in the County of Henrico"

Page stamped # 251, and stamped #10 below the #251; enumerated on 28 Aug:
HH240; F#272:
Elias Reed, 67 M, Massachusetts, Merchant
Elias " , 30 M, Va, Carpenter
Sarah " , 28 F, Va
Charlotte Poytress, 25 F, Va
Patrick Henry " (dittoing the Poytress), 4 M, Va
William P. " (dittoing the Poytress), 2 M, Va
William Reed, 22 M, Va, Machinist
Virginia C. " (dittoing the Reed), 19 F, Va
Henry Anderson or Andersny, 45 M, M, Va		04/24/1998 1:10:15
1850 Census, VA: Prince Geo. Co.Charles NealCompiled below (and available to Al Tims to put up on the Poythress
website, where we have the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 Census info) is the
1850 Federal Census info that I (Barbara Poythress Neal) happen to have
collected thru the years on Poythress folks in Prince George Co, VA from
going thru microfilm. The National Archives microfilm series for the 1850
Census is M432.

PLEASE if any of you have additional 1850 Census listings for Poythress
families in ANY state, we'd all appreciate it if you'd dig it out and share
the info with all of us here on the Poythress-List. THANKS!!

> > >
NOTE: NOT EVERY POYTHRESS IS IN A HOUSEHOLD OF THE SAME LAST NAME.
> > >
ABBREVIATIONS/conventions I am using here:
- HH is the dwelling household number
- F# is family number
- Name: with family members' last names are the same or are shown with
ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will here
just use ditto marks too even though the ditto will NOT be lined up
correctly
- Age, Sex, & Place of birth listed are shown here immediately following
the person's name. NOTE: For family members whose place of birth is shown
with ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will
here NOT list a place of birth. If the person was born somewhere
different, I will put it.
- $ is for the listed Value of Real Estate Owned
- Following the above info, I'll put the "Profession, Occupation, or
Trade of each Male Person over 15 years of age" if the Census taker noted
it.
- "Sch" if the Census taker noted that person had "Attended School Within
the Year"
- NOTE: Family members are assumed in this Census as "White" unless noted
otherwise. If found, B would be for Black; M would be for Mulatto

> > > >
VA - Prince George County:

Page not legible on my copy but indexed as being stamped #61; p. enumerated
on 3 Aug:
HH70; F#70:
Joshua Poythress, 66 M, Va, Farmer, $1500
J. M. " , 62 F
[Note: this hhold is at the bottom of a page, immediately below the hh of
Jno W. Eppes]

Page stamped #84 & following pae; enum. on 17 Sept:
HH apparently should be 460, since the hholds & family #s above it on that
page are running as 455-459, though this entry looks more like "060;"; F#
looks same "060" but should be 460:
Thos L. Leonard 43 M, Va, Farmer, $1200
Lucy " , 50 F
Cornelia " , 15 F
Daniel " , 14 M
Robert " , 12 M
Richard " , 12 M
Emily " , 1 F
W[?] H Barbour, 26 M, New York,Teacher
Polly Poythress 72 F, Va
[Note: most of this hhold is at the bottom of a page, with the last 2 names
at the top of the next page but still in the same hhold]		04/24/1998 1:10:19
1850 Census -VA: Mecklenburg CoCharles NealCompiled below (and available to Al Tims to put up on the Poythress
website, where we have the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 Census info) is the
1850 Federal Census info that I (Barbara Poythress Neal) happen to have
collected thru the years on Poythress folks in Mecklenburg Co, VA from
going thru microfilm. The National Archives microfilm series for the 1850
Census is M432.

PLEASE if any of you have additional 1850 Census listings for Poythress
families in ANY state, we'd all appreciate it if you'd dig it out and share
the info with all of us here on the Poythress-List. THANKS!!

> > >
NOTE: NOT EVERY POYTHRESS IS IN A HOUSEHOLD OF THE SAME LAST NAME.
> > >
ABBREVIATIONS/conventions I am using here:
- HH is the dwelling household number
- F# is family number
- Name: when family members' last names are the same or are shown with
ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will here
just use ditto marks, too, even though the ditto will NOT be lined up
correctly
- Age, Sex, & Place of birth listed are shown here immediately following
the person's name. NOTE: For family members whose place of birth is shown
with ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will
here NOT list a place of birth. If the person was born somewhere
different, I will put it.
- $ is for the listed Value of Real Estate Owned
- Following the above info, I'll put the "Profession, Occupation, or
Trade of each Male Person over 15 years of age" if the Census taker noted
it.
- "Sch" would be noted here if the Census taker noted that person had
"Attended School Within the Year"
- NOTE: Family members are assumed in this Census as "White" unless noted
otherwise. If found, B would be for Black; M would be for Mulatto

> > > >
VA - Mecklenburg County "98th Regiment" portion of the county

Pages 56-57 (stamped #); handwritten # 113, p. enumerated on 17 & 18 Sept:
HH134; F#134:
David Poythress, 44 M, Va, Overseer, $429
Sally " , 32 F
James " , 17 M
Mary " , 14 F
George " , 9 M
Charles " , ~1[?] M (note: his age is not clear on my copies. Could
possibly be "4" instead of ~1)
[Note: for this hh, most of it is at the bottom of the page, and Charles of
same HH# & Family # is at top of next page]

Page stamped # 59; handwritten #117, p. enum. on 23 Sept::
HH174, F#174:
Nancy Thomas, 52 F, Va, $1407 (or possibly $1607)
Edward " , 22 M, Overseer
Rebecca " , 19 F
Bennett " , 15 M, Laborer
Amanda " , 13 F
Davy " , 10 M
Wm. Poythress, 4 M
[Note: for the above household, most of that household is on the bottom of
one page (which has 3 other Thomas hholds on it, 1 of which hholds also has
in it an overseer named Ray & a Laborer named Griffis, & 2 Mayo hholds, & 1
Lambert hh), and Wm Poythress' name is at the very top of the following
page, but still has the same HH# and Family #. Then immediately afterward
is a Harwell hh, followed by the "Jno Cleaton" hh, a Riggins hh, a Taylor
hh, and 2 Jones hholds)

Page stamped with # 62; handwritten # 123, p. enum. on 26 Sept:
HH 217; F#217:
James Poythress, 45 M, Va, Carpenter
Catherine " , 45 F, Va
Joshua " , 21 M, Carpenter
Nathan " , 19 M, Laborer
William " , 16 M, Laborer
Catherine " , 13 F
Rebecca " , 11 F
Penelope " , 9 F
Algernon " , 6 M
Virinda " , 4 F

HH218, F#218 (same page 62 as immed. above)
Thomas Poythress, 35 M, Va, Laborer, $144
Lucy " , 25 F
William " , 5 M
Frances " , 3 F

Page stamped #63, handwritten #125, p. enum. on 27 Sept:
HH241, F#241
Edward Poythress 52 M, Va, Laborer
Mahala " , 47 F
Sarah A. " , 18 F
Harriett " , 16 F
George " , 12 M
[Note: on the same page with this hhold is a Wartman hh; a Lynch hh; a
Rook hh; a Tanner hh; a Wright hh; a hh with only Sally Wartman 46 &
Lucretia Nance 39; a hh with only Mary Rainey 40 & Drucilla Rainey 20; and
a hh with only John Merryman 40 and Parthia or Panthia Cleaton 40)		04/24/1998 1:10:22
1850 Census, VA, Petersburg & Dinwiddie CoCharles NealCompiled below (and available to Al Tims to put up on the Poythress
website, where we have the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 Census info) is the
1850 Federal Census info that I (Barbara Poythress Neal) happen to have
collected thru the years on Poythress folks in "City of Petersburg in the
County of Dinwiddie" and in Dinwiddie County from going thru microfilm.
The National Archives microfilm series for the 1850 Census is M432.

PLEASE if any of you have additional 1850 Census listings for Poythress
families in ANY state, we'd all appreciate it if you'd dig it out and share
the info with all of us here on the Poythress-List. THANKS!!

> > >
NOTE: NOT EVERY POYTHRESS IS IN A HOUSEHOLD OF THE SAME LAST NAME.
> > >
ABBREVIATIONS/conventions I am using here:
- HH is the dwelling household number
- F# is family number
- Name: with family members' last names are the same or are shown with
ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will here
just use ditto marks too even though the ditto will NOT be lined up
correctly
- Age, Sex, & Place of birth listed are shown here immediately following
the person's name. NOTE: For family members whose place of birth is shown
with ditto marks as being the same as the head of the household, I will
here NOT list a place of birth. If the person was born somewhere
different, I will put it.
- $ is for the listed Value of Real Estate Owned
- Following the above info, I'll put the "Profession, Occupation, or
Trade of each Male Person over 15 years of age" if the Census taker noted
it.
- "Sch" if the Census taker noted that person had "Attended School Within
the Year"
- NOTE: Family members are assumed in this Census as "White" unless noted
otherwise. If found, B would be for Black; M would be for Mulatto

> > > >
VA - "City of Petersburg in the County of Dinwiddie"

Page (no number showing on my copy) enumerated on 2 Oct:
HH464 F#542:
J. M. H. Barnett [or Bonnett?], 33 M, Va, Editor, News
Catherine " , 32 F, Ireland
Mary " , 6 F, Va
James " , 3 M, Va
Robert " , 1 M, Va
Ellen Keating, 28 F, Va
Margaret " (dittoing Keating), 26 F, Ireland
Sarah Russell, 16 F, Va, Sch.
Susan Leonard, 15 F, Va, Sch
William Poythress, 14 M, Va, Sch

VA - Dinwiddie County NOTE: I do not have the top of the page for this
one, though someone labelled the left margin of my part of the page to say
"Dinwiddie Co, VIR 1850. If any of you have this whole page, please let us
know what it is labelled at the top of the page.
HH509; F#600
Benjamin Potress, 42 M, Va, Huxter
Mary " , 36 F
George " , 1 F [sic - it really does say that George is female]
Mariah Day, 31 F, B
Elizabeth Johnson, 50 F
Levy[?] " (dittoing Johnson), 35 M, Taylor [note: this was an accepted
spelling for "tailor"]		04/24/1998 1:10:26
Census, NC 1800-1850Charles NealI [BPN] have NOT tracked down the actual Census rolls of microfilm & found
the pages for these, but in a couple of census indexes, folks have noted
for me that they saw listed the following:

1850 Census: John Poythress, p. 204, Granville Co, NC, Abraham Plains
District. A friend noted that he was listed at Household 73, Family #73,
and as being age 21 M, Farmer

1840 Census: no Poythress spellings

1830 Census: James Poythress and John Poythress, both on p. 129,
Northampton Co, NC

1820 Census: no Poythress spellings

1800 Census: households for Celia Poythress & Odeham Poythress in
Northampton Co, NC on p.469
and hhold for Temperance Poythress in same county on p. 471		04/24/1998 1:10:28
1850 Va, Slave CensusCharles Neal>From a volume by Editor Ronald Vern Jackson et al, Accelerated Indexing
Systems, __Virginia 1850 Slave Schedule: Census Index__ I [BPN] once made
the following notations of Poythress folks listed. I further noted that I
found it frustrating to not know how that Slave Census was set up. I THINK
these names were listed as being the names & locations of the slaves'
owners, but if so, then this Index gives no information about the slaves
themselves (#, sex, ages, etc).

IF ANYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SLAVE CENSUS, RATHER
THAN JUST AN INDEX, IT SURELY COULD HELP US TO KNOW BETTER ALL THE
AVAILABLE INFO:

In alphabetical order, listed in the Index were:

Peythress, Joshua, in Prince George Co, VA, 649 (presumably a page
number?)

Two names, each with an asterisk indicating that the indexer found it
difficult to read:
Porteste, William, in Norfolk Co, VA, 189, St. Brides Parrish
Pouthrey, John N. in Lunenberg Co, VA, 113

Poytiess, David, in Mecklenburg Co, VA, 421, Regiment 98

Another name with an asterisk iindicating that the indexer found it
difficult to read:
Poytress, B. Mrs. in Charles City Co, VA, 321		04/24/1998 1:10:31
Re: James Edward P., Elizabeth Giles etc.Dear fourth-cousin-in-speculation Barbara, thanks so much for this
additional very interesting information:

1) Thanks for the "Elizabeth" analysis and I concur.

2) I will check my census information against yours as requested.

3) Thanks for the analysis on the name of James P. I am convinced to use
"Edward" for the middle name of James P. from this point. Let me pose a
guess that the older son, Edward, son of Elizabeth Giles Poythress, is
the namesake of his grandfather Giles. Then perhaps James Edward, son of
Rebecca Taylor Poythress, is the namesake of a Poythress or Taylor
relation. This could explain the seeming lack of creativity in given
names. Also, we may want to allow for a bit of corruption having
occurred over time. Perhaps it had originally been "Edwards", "Edmund",
or "Edmunds", other common surnames and given names in the area in that
time.

4) Speaking of names and namesakes, I want to suggest how the discovery
of Brandon's branch adds a tiny bit more circumstantial evidence for
James P. and David P. being sons of Lewis P. We now know that Thomas M.
P. included the name "Lewis" in the name of his first son, presumably
after the child's grandfather. We've always known there was a tendency
in that culture and time to name after family, but now we have reasonbly
sound evidence that, specifically, Thomas M. P. did so with William. Now
arrives William's younger brother, my great-grandfather, and he receives
the name "James David". The hypothesis: Thomas M. P. first honors his
father then later his two much older brothers. (A still younger brother
will be named after his mother's half-brother, Laban House.)

5) I received that US mail packet but have not yet opened. Thanks again,
so much.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:53:44 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:

Lyn,

Re Elizabeth Giles: since "Elizabeth" is one of the MOST common names of
that era, I would vote for 2 Elizabeths. (And besides, if a woman did
divorce, which could only be done by act of the legislature, her name
next time she married would be her former married name and not her maiden
name.) In the __1790 Census for VA: Heads of Families___ (which gives
the heads according to state enumerations in a number of counties --
though NOT all the counties -- in 1782-1785), there are for example, at
least 3 different men named Giles -- Wm, Nicholas, & Perrin Giles-- and
with both Wm & Nicholas listed twice, maybe more than 3.

Yeah, I think I was out of it when I posed that question about Edward &
James Edward: after I had gone to bed, & while sleep was eluding me, I
remembered about Edward being an heir of Edward Giles. I had forgotten
about the 1850 Census -- Thank you for reminding me about that.

I think I'm going to have to organize into a coherent message all the
random stuff I have on that 1850 Census. Should be able to do that on
Saturday. When I put out the message with what I have, would you please
check thru whatever 1850 Census info you have & add any folks you may
have that I might not have?

Good question about citations for James E. P's middle name. Made me stop
& study the situation:

Censuses (including 1860 in Sumter Co, AL) only give him "James." His
marriage record only gives him "James." In his father-in-law's
one-paragraph Will (Joshua Preston, Brunswick Co, VA, WBk 12, pp.316-317,
May 1835) he is named "James E. Poythress" twice, since he was also named
as sole executor.

The July 1855 Estate record for his eldest son, Joshua L[ewis] Poythress,
in Sumter Co, AL Orphans Record 14, pp. 96-97, shows him as James E..
posting bond along with 2 others (Henry McDaniel & Isaiah C. Brown) of
$200 to handle his son's estate as Administrator.

3 March 1856 Sumterville, Sumter Co, AL Voting List shows him as Jas. E
Poythress.

4 Aug 1856 Sumterville, Sumter Co, AL Voting List shows him as J. E.
Poythress.

1859 Sumter Co, AL Land Tax record book shows him as Poythress, Jas E.

Sept 1860 in Sumter Co, AL he was a witness to the Will of George Somers,
signing as J. E. Poythress.

5 Aug 1861 Sumter Co, AL Voting List shows him as J. E. Poythress.

My ggrandfather, Algernon EDWARD (b.1844), was James E P's only son to
live beyond 1862. Of his sons, my grandfather, "NH" Nathan Hamet
Poythress, who was born in 1878, was 1 of only 3
Poythress-surnamed-grandsons to live beyond infancy, of James E's. There
was Jimmy (b.1869), NH (b.1878) and Bennie EDWARD (b.1893).

I suspect that has more than a little to do with "why" NH was always VERY
interested in the family history, and tried to keep the records of all of
them. (NH was also an accountant, as were all 4 of his sons, as am I, as
are both my brothers which also lends a certain "bent" toward keeping
of family records, I reckon.)

At any rate, in all of NH's records, he referred to his grandfather as
"James Edward Poythress."

The old family record of James E's and of the Joshua Preston family that
Ben Poythress, Jr. copied in 1938 shows him as "James E." originally,
with "Edward" written smaller, above the "E." When Ben in 1938 copied
that then-deteriorating fragile old family record (which was in the
custody & care of NH), he was accompanied by his own dad (Bennie Edward)
and by his Uncle Hamet (NH), and by his Uncle Jimmy (NH & Bennie Edward's
eldest brother) -- the whole family was gathered that August. Whenever
NH & Jimmy were together, they talked about the family & their elder
generations. Ben's adding-in of "Edward" was their consensus. I suspect
that they had long been told that their father's middle name & Bennie's
middle names were for Algernon's father's middle name.

Granted that James Edward (having died in 1863) was long dead before NH
was born, he had not been dead all that long when Jimmy was born. James
E's wife, Catherine Preston, didn't die until 1884, so both Jimmy and NH
knew their grandmother & lived right there a few doors away from her.
And NH & Jimmy & Bennie's father (Algernon) didn't die until 1918.
Algernon's death certificate, by the way, shows his father's name as
James Edward Poythress & mother's maiden name as Catherine Preston,
citing as the Informant "Father's Family Reckord" [sic].

In light of all that, "family tradition" seems pretty solid to me on
"Edward" being James E's middle name. But it sure doesn't help me figure
out where HE got it as a middle name!

[And MUCH more recently, __Pioneer Families of Sumter County, AL__ by
Nelle Morris Jenkins, published in 1961 in Tuscaloosa, AL, gives his name
as James Edward Poythress, as does Betty Lawrence's 1978 book (revised
1993) that covers his family. Neither book gives their sources for the
name.]

Re burials: James Edward P (who died 17 Jan 1863 Sumterville, AL) & his
wife Catherine Preston (who died 18 Oct 1884 Sumterville, AL) both are,
according to family knowledge (from NH & Jimmy being present when their
grandmother was buried & from them for years subsequently, with others in
the family including my Dad, visiting their unmarked graves at the
cemetery) buried in the little cemetery that adjoins the foundation of
the long-gone Sumterville Methodist Church, at Sumterville, AL.
Sumterville itself still barely exists, though it long ago passed beyond
being the thriving little town it once was.

I have been to the cemetery (in 1995) which has generations of trees &
shrubs & other growth all grown up, around, & over the stones that do
still exist there. Unfortunately it had been in that condition for so
many decades that I'm not sure whether my Dad's two still-living elderly
first cousins, Louie Poythress & Al[gernon] Gartin, both of whom no doubt
also visited the cemetery in their youth, could even give me a clue where
within the cemetery their graves were. But studying all this now prompts
me to realize that when I go visit in November, I'll have to try to drag
them back across the stateline from Meridian, MS, where they both live,
to Sumterville on a field trip to see what memories surface for them. I
know that they should at least know exactly where the house of Algernon
once stood (it burned long, long ago, I think). Thank goodness all my
Godfrey ancestors in Sumterville were well-to-do-enough to afford
gravemarkers, of which I have photographs amongst the weeds & brush &
trees. (It makes me cry to think of the condition that cemetery is in.
I have tried, so far unsuccessfully, to get folks in that area motivated
to get it properly cleaned up. At least there is a chainlink fence
around it until I can do more.)

All for tonight & best regards, Barbara

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Benj & Peter Poythress, 1789Charles Neal4-25-98

The Dinwiddie Co, VA Court Orders 1789-1791 portion of FHL microfilm #
0031,090 has a couple of POYTHRESSes mentioned in it. In a recent trip to
Salt Lake City, I (BPN) located and copied them. The name of Peter
Poythress appeared in the August Court 1789 portion. The name of Benjamin
Poythress appeared in the November Court 1789 portion. The entire entry
for each is transcribed below, using the spelling and capitalization of the
original. [Things that are in brackets, such as those around this
sentence, are things that were difficult to read & are my best guess on
what was written 209 years ago.] (Things in parenthesis, like this, are my
explanations.)

> > > >
Page 85: August Quarterly Sessions, 1789
William Mayo, Excr (Executor) [&cr] of Peter Poythress dec'd Plt
(deceased, Plaintiff)
Against
Edward Reese, Deft (Defendant)
In Debt:
This day came the parties by their attornies and thereupon came
also a Jury, to wit: John Pegram, Jeremiah Overby, Rice Newman, Goerge
Loyd, Dudley Brown, Dennis Hill, John Jones, Bernard Major, Jeremiah
Pritchet, John Chambers, Joel Burge and Joel Hammon who being Elected,
tried, and Sworn the truth to speak upon the Issue joined upon their Oaths
do say that the Deft hath not paid the Debt in the declaration mentioned
nor any part thereof and they do assess the Plt damages against him by
reason thereof to one penny. Therefore It is considered by the Court that
the Plaintiff recover against the said Deft his Debt amounting to Sixty
Seven pounds ten Shillings together with his damages aforesaid in form
aforesaid assessed and his Costs by him in this behalf expended and the
said Deft in Mercy [&cr]
But this Judgment, the Costs excepted, is to be discharged by the
payment of Thirty three pounds fifteen shillings with lawful Interest
thereon from the 13th day of May 1784 to the time of payment.

> > >
Page 126: November Quarterly Sessions, 1789 (note: the writing in about
an inch on the far right side of this page is very faint)
William Yates, Complt (Complainant)
Against
Francis Muir, Administrator of John Gordon decd (deceased),
Francis Muir & Mary his wife, Francis Muir
Administrator "de Bonis non" (the administrator of an estate that has been
partially settled by a previous Administrator) of Benjamin Poythress, decd,

And Lucy Gordon Infant (a person under age 21), [I Jans] of the said John
Gordon
By the said Francis Muir her Guardian, Defts (Defendants)
By consent of the parties, this cause was this day heard upon the
B[inders and] Exhibits filed and the arguments of counsel on all sides on
consideration [thereof]. It is ordered and Decreed by the Court that the
Judgment at Law obtained by the Deft Francis Muir as administrator of the
said John Gordon decd against the complainant be enjoined perped[illegible]
and that Kennon Jones, John Jones, David Walker and John Edmondson Gent
(Gentlemen) or any three of them be appointed Commissioners to audit and
Settle the accounts of the administra[illeg] of the Estate of Benjamin
Poythress decd and to divide his Estate and set apart to each of the
claimants their proportion thereof and make report of their proceedings
[illegible] to the Court in Order to a final decree.		04/25/1998 9:58:32
Another Poythress Researcher?Brandon, the other day I came across a packet of Poythress information
that had been given to my mother by your grandfather. It consisted of
copies of pages from books referencing 17th- and 18th-century
Poythresses. Attached was a note from my mother as follows:

Information sent to Mr. & Mrs. James W. Poythress 1-27-88
Bonnie P. Anderson, Charlottesville, Va.

Would you know anything about this Ms. Anderson? A family member? A
professional researcher? If so, would you happen to know how to contact
her to inquire whether she has Poythress information which might be new
to us? Thanks for any insights.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Lucy Thomas Poythress // Counts in 1830Barbara, I plan to US-mail to you an "earnest" of your request for images
- my original transcription notes on the wills of David, Bennett, and
Nancy Thomas.

You wrote: "I was pleased to find that I already had a copy of Nancy
Thomas' will & codicil of 1864, which was one of the items you cited for
the marriage of Lucy Thomas & Thomas M. Poythress, and which indeed does
nicely for that. I was curious to see that on your Group Sheet for
Thomas (re his marriage to Lucy) you also cited her father Bennet Thomas'
will, proved 18 Dec 1843 Mecklnbg, Bk 16, p.11. Yet on your Sheet for
notes re Lucy's birth, you only cited her mother's will, and not
Bennet's. Made me curious to see about getting a copy of Bennet's will.
Would a copy of yours be readable, or should I seek one of my own?"

Some comments:

1) I cannot at present recall the value of my citation of the Bennett
Thomas will in support of the referenced marriage. Maybe it was a
slip-up then or an oversight now. As you will see, the Bennett Thomas
will fails to name children, only a "son-in-law" Laban House, which I
have surmised through other tidbits to be a stepson from the first
marriage of Nancy N. ? to ? House.

2) I have chosen as a personal convention to place citations for
"identity" in the field designed for birth sources. So any particular
source in the birth field may be a) proof of date of birth, b) proof of
place of birth, or c) proof of identity/relationship. Since I have not
done a very good job clarifying which claim is supported by each
citation, this has become a bit confusing. As an example, the citation
of the codicil of Nancy Thomas gives us nothing about the age of Lucy,
rather the relationship between them. So in referencing the Nancy Thomas
codicil in the birth field of Lucy, I am supporting my claim that she was
born Lucy Thomas, daughter of Nancy Thomas.

3) Regarding notes on Jones chart regarding wife of David Thomas, I have
her as third wife, much too late to parent Bennett. I have a second
wife, Patsy Mosely, m. 1805, also too late for Bennett. David's first
wife, mother of Bennett (ca. 1780-90), is an unknown to me.

On another subject, upon checking my Simmons transcription of the 1830
Mecklenburg census I was able to confirm that the total count will be all
races and the count be category only whites.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Lucy Thomas Poythress // Counts in 1830Charles Neal4-27-98

Lyn,

Thanks so much for the upcoming additional Will info on Thomas folks. 🙂

Re citations: Yes, I've been doing similar thing. I'm just unwilling to
devote all the time it would necessitate for me to move from the "normal"
editing mode into the "advanced" editing mode of Ultimate Family Tree,
where indeed one has the opportunity to cite proofs for EVERY tiny detail
ad infinitum. Perhaps someday before I eventually publish whatever I will
eventually publish, I'll have the luxury of enough time to do that sort of
thing. In the meantime . . .

I'll send Al Tims a corrected verbage about the 1830 Census info. Thanks
for catching that difference.

Hopefully you've in the meantime received my various messages about the
1850 Censuses (I haven't seen any reaction from anyone, and when that
happens I always wonder if the messages truly made it out to everyone) and
may soon have enough time to dig out your own info for comparisons. I'm
hoping you may have some additional ones I don't have, or at least more
readable portions of some of the ones my copies were so poor of. No rush,
just curious.

Best regards,
BPN		04/27/1998 9:56:30
Another Poythress Researcher?Charles NealLyn,

I'm curious to hear whether this 1988 packet of info had any additional
info on the family that we haven't already come up with? If so, would like
to get copies.

Best,
BPN		04/27/1998 10:01:05
Fwd: RANSOM-PORTIS/PoythressCarBurCoHi Poythresses,

I have been looking in vain for the parents of KESIAH PORTIS who married
Capt. Richard Ransom of Va and Tn who fought in the Revolution. It was
concluded that PORTIS is a variation of POYTHRESS (from various clues). The
excellent scholars on this list had found a JOHN PORTIS in land records (NC)
whom they thought might be her father....but until the past week, it could not
be documented.

LAST WEEK I HELPED OUT A correspondent with something unrelated, in
Williamson County, Tn, and inadvertently was given this WONDERFUL bit of
documentation! Always help when you can for more reasons than one!

As you will see, JOHN PORTIS' will was "surpressed. BUT here in this record
we have the whole family listed...kicking and screaming all the way, but still
there. I am SO glad old IRA saw fit to sue his family.......hmm.

PS the incorrect spelling is in the record...don't blame me.

Caroline Burnett Cook

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//////////////////////////////////////////

HALIFAX DISTRICT, N.C.
Superior Cout of Law & Equity 1785-1790
(Bills & Answers 1797-1805 Minutes)

1800
890-44
Monday the 5th: day of May Anno Dom 1800 between Ira PORTIS by his guardian
plantiff and Sarah PORTIS, Jeremiah PORTIS, John PORTIS & others defendants.
This cause coming on this day to be heard the substance of the Plantiffs Bill
appeared to be : That John PORTIS the plantiffs late father departed this
life about the month of June 1794 being at the time of his death possessed of
a considerable estate both real and personal, and that he did duly make and
publish his last Will and Testament in writing as follows (to wit) I give to
my son Jeremiah PORTIS, the land whereon the said Jeremiah now lives,
containing two hundred acres,
Item I give to my son George PORTIS the one half of that tract of land
whereon the said George now lives containing two hundred & twenty acres, the
onther half I give to my son John PORTIS, each of them to have one hundred and
ten acres, George's part to include the place he lives on
I give to my daughter Leah PORTIS two cows & calves, and one sow and pigs.
I give to my grandson Richard RANSOME one cow & calf and one Sow and pigs.
I give to my son Ira Portis one cow and calf and one Sow and pigs and three
fourths
of all the remaining part of my estate of whatsoever kind,
I leave to be equally divided among all my children: and the other one fourth
part I lend to my wife Sarah PORTIS during her natural life, and after her
decease, that one fourth part to be equally divided amongst my four daughters,
May GOODWIN, Elizabeth COX, Keziah RANSOME & Leah PORTIS:
I also lend to my wife
891-45
Sarah PORTIS the land and plantation whereon I now live, called my old tract,
with twenty one acres adjoining the same, which I purchased from Amey &
Richard RANSOME, during her natural life, and after her decease I give the
said lands above mentioned to my son Ira PORTIS to him & his heirs forever.
Which said Will was duly signed & published in the presence of Nathan GREEN,
Henry GAINOR, and Deverin BALLARD, who were subscribing witnesses thereto: and
the said John PORTIS died as before mentioned, without altering or revoking
said Will: leaving George, Jeremiah, and John PORTIS: and Mary who had
intermarried with James GODWIN, Elizabeth who had intermarried with John Cox,
Keziah who had intermarried with Richard RANSOME, and Leah PORTIS who has
since intermarried with James ARRINGTON & the Complainant, his children, but
that George PORTIS hath since departed this life, leaving one son & three
daughters, who are all infants. And the Complainant further sets forth that
his said Mother together with his brothers & Sisters &c. in order to defraud
him of the benefit of the devises in the said Will, have secreted or destroyed
the same; and pretend that no such Will was ever made: Therefore that he may
have the witnesses to the said Will examined and their testimony recorded in
order to perpetuate the same, so that he may have the benefit thereof at any
time when there may be occasion: that the before recited persons may be made
defendants, and that a guardian be appointed
1800
892-46
to the children of George PORTIS, being infants, to appear for them and
defend this Suit. Whereto the defendants put in their answers, by which they
admitted the several allegations in the said Bill contained, to be true,
except that the devise as stated in the Bill to Richard RANSOME, was to Robert
RANSOME, and that on the old tract of land lent to Sarah PORTIS there was a
small field lent to George PORTIS for four years; that all the parties then of
lawful age, had agreed that the will should be suppressed; but that Ira PORTIS
not now assenting thereto they were willing the property devised to the
Complainant, should be Decreed to him by this honorable Court. And on motion
James A. TABB esquire was appointed guardian to the said infants, by whom they
appeared & put in their Answer by which he admitss that he believed the
allegations contained in said Bill were true from the best information he
could get, and that the said Will was destroyed or suppressed as before set
forth by the other defendants. On the coming in of which Answers the plantiff
moved for leave to amend the prayer of his Bill, in order that the Court might
be enabled to make a decree in the premises as assented to by the Answers;
which being granted, the plantiff filed his said amendment (service of which
was acknowledged by the defendants) to wit, ________that the last will and
Testament of John PORTIS his deceased father as before set forth may be
established by a Decree of this Honorable Court and that the defendants may be
decreed to convey the pro=
893-47
=perty devised as aforesaid to the Plantiff in order that he may possess and
enjoy the same. Whereupon the Court after duly considering the matter, doth
think fit and so Order and Decree, and it is accordingly Ordered Adjudged and
Decreed, that the personal property bequeathed by the said Will to Ira PORTIS
the Plantiff he delivered to him by the defendants: and that all the real
estate by the said Will devised to Ira PORTIS (except that part which is
devised to Sarah PORTIS during her life) be by proper deeds of conveyance in
fee simple conveyed to said Ira PORTIS, within six months from the date
hereof, by such of the defendants as are of the age of twenty one years: and
that the defendants who are now infants, shall also convey in some manner,
within six months after they respectively arrive at lawful age. And that such
part of the said Land as is devised to Sarah PORTIS for life, shall by proper
deeds of conveyance in fee simple, be conveyed to said Ira PORTIS by such of
the defandants as shall be of the age of twenty one years, at the time of the
death of said Sarah and that such of the defendants or their representatives
who shall then be infants under the age of twenty one years, shall within six
months after arriving at lawful age, also make such conveyance in fee of said
Lands to the plantiff. That the Ira PORTIS, shall be immediately by the
defendants put into possession of all the land, devised to him as aforesaid,
except the part devised to Sarah PORTIS for life which shall also be put into
his possession directly after the death of said Sarah PORTIS		04/28/1998 1:48:02
Sorry folksCarBurCoSorry...I had no idea that the whole original correspondence would be included
with my forwarded copy. I thought I had excerpted just the record.

Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)
and my new cousin
Pat

04/28/1998 1:52:23
Literature, etc.VKRatliffHey guys, I also just mailed Brandon a 1/2" packet of "dupes". Brandon, if we
cover you up and you need some digestion time, just let it ride until you're
comfortable with all the information overload 🙂 .

Maynard		04/28/1998 3:41:05
4-30-98 update on MaynardCharles NealFolks, I just got a message from a young man who did some work on Maynard's
computer while visiting him from France, and who unfortunately left to
return to France prior to getting the computer all properly set up. He
says that Maynard will be off the air for a bit, until he gets his hard
drive worked on.

I presume the List is still up and running, just lacking for many messages
since I've gotten so few in the last week.

BPN

04/30/1998 9:20:49
BLM Land Records on line and available!!Exciting.Charles Neal5-4-98

Folks,
Helene Pockrus just sent this message, which is indeed exciting stuff.
There are indeed Poythress folks in the BLM (Bureau of Land Management, US
govt) General Land Office [thus abbreviated GLO in the site address]
records, and this is a great way to be able to look at (& print copies of)
the old originals! The site address is at the bottom. Thanks, Helene!

Enjoy!
Barbara (BPN)

> Message text written by "Marion U. Pockrus"
>
All the BLM Land Records are on line and available!! Exciting!
For instance, in Alabama, I typed Pockrus in the Patentee space and then
look at it under Genealogical. Then I printed it to the screen and I
have the original document to look at! Both of David Pockrus patents are
in and I now have copies signed by Presidents Andrew Jackson and the other
by President Buchanan.

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov
<		05/04/1998 9:07:09
Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Charles Neal5-4-98

Just searched the Bureau of Land Management General Land Office site, and
was surprised to find that in the Arkansas Land Office there was a record
for a land patent under the "Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812 (2 Stat. 718)" to:

Patentee Name: Poythress, Lilly
Warrantee Name: Poythress, Peter

re 160 acres in Faulkner County.

Hopefully our military expert, Craig Scott, can further enlighten us re the
Act.

& Didn't one of our Listers have someone in their family who had a
passed-down story of how their branch of the family came back to some
more-easterly Southern state FROM Arkansas via wagontrain? I remember that
there was such a story, but am not sure who? Judy, was it you?

Barbara (BPN)		05/04/1998 10:29:19
Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Charles NealFolks, here is good news from Craig, who was in a rush to leave on a trip,
but took time to answer this for us.
Barbara (BPN)

-------------Forwarded Message-----------------

From: "Craig R. Scott", INTERNET:willowbend@mediasoft.net
To: Charles Neal, BarbPoythressNeal
Date: 5/5/98 3:44 AM

RE: Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812

>Just searched the Bureau of Land Management General Land Office site, and
>was surprised to find that in the Arkansas Land Office there was a record
>for a land patent under the "Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812 (2 Stat. 718)" to:
>
>Patentee Name: Poythress, Lilly
>Warrantee Name: Poythress, Peter
>
>re 160 acres in Faulkner County.
>
>Hopefully our military expert, Craig Scott, can further enlighten us re the
>Act.
>
I am leaving for the Denver NGS Conference in a couple of hours so this will
be short. I believe that this act was for new enlistees in the War of 1812.
Three military districts were set up: Michigan, Illinois and Louisiana (in
present day Arkansas). 160 acres and $16 cash were given to each man who
would enlist for five years or the duration of the war. An enlistee would
pre-select the district they preferred and then a lottery was held to
determine the precise parcel of land. [Source: Land and Property Research in
the United States by E. Wade Hone]

So this means that there is a War of 1812 record somewhere for him.

Craig
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		05/05/1998 9:21:57
Poythress GenealogyCliff and Sheryl TownsendHi,
I am sending a change of address. I am Sheryl Rowell Townsend and my
old address was cctowns@sat.net and my NEW ADDRESS IS:
cctowns@thenett.com
Please make the correction on the list so that I will receive the mail
on the Poythress Genealogy correspondence.
I am one of those quiet ones out there. Waiting for my line to be
touched.

Thanks,
sheryl

05/07/1998 2:14:51
Poythress GenealogyCharles Neal5-7-98

Sheryl,

I think there is some other sort of message you need to send to get the
List's mailing-list-entry for you changed, but I don't seem to be able to
find any of the Instructions that I thought I saved, in order to help you.
Thus, I'm sending a copy of your message to Al Tims, our List-master, in
hopes that he will surface & take care of it.

In the meantime, if you can let me know which is the furthest-back
Poythress ancestor you have, I'll be glad to check my fairly extensive
listing of Poythress folk and let you know anything I may have on your
line, whether or not it is one that anyone else might have mentioned or be
ready to touch on. I try to keep track of all the lines I become aware of
& hopefully have something on yours.

Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		05/07/1998 7:59:21
Still Dead on the WaterVKRatliffPC went out for heart transplant. Hope to be back on air first of next week
and will answer all mail.

Thanks,

Maynard

05/08/1998 5:12:55
Your Grand-AuntBrandon, last week I introduced myself by phone to your grand-aunt, Agnes
Poythress Hudson of Stony Creek, Va. Agnes is the lady who provided the
information on descendants of William Lewis Poythress to Gladys Williams,
the Jones family researcher. We have Mrs. Hudson - along with Mrs.
Williams, Barbara Neal and her late cousin, Ben Poythress, (as well as
that unknown saint! who promoted that unmistakable name Foxall) - to
thank for the rediscovery of our kinship.

It turns out that she knows my parents and attended school with my mother
and with my dad's sisters. She related a story which reminds us of how
easily we lose track of relationships. Her father, Foxall, died when
Agnes was ten years old. She vividly remembers the message being
delivered to her home by a man named Frank Poythress, who was a stranger
to her. Agnes' family lived beyond the reach of the phone lines. Frank,
who had telephone service, received the sad message from the Henderson,
NC, hospital and drove out to deliver it. In our phone conversation last
week, sixty-six years later, Agnes learned for the first time that Frank
was a first cousin of her father. Frank was a grandson of Thomas M.
Pothress and was my grandfather's brother.

Mrs. Hudson was quite gracious and interested in talking. She is not a
family researcher and does not have any other information to share with
us. However, I will be sending her some information that will be new for
her. You should give her a call sometime; I think she would enjoy
hearing from you.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Barbara, I confess I am the lister with the Arkansas legend. A first
cousin of my mother has a washbowl and pitcher which her mother, Susan
Poythress Davis, gave her as having accompanied Susan's
"Great-grandmother Poythress...from Arkansas to Virginia on a wagon."
Specifically, this would have been Rebecca Taylor Poythress (ca. 1770 -
1845). However, assuming any truth in the story, I would allow for the
possibility it could have been Susan's grandmother, Lucy Thomas Poythress
(ca. 1827 - ?), or Lucy's mother, Nancy N. ? (ca. 1798 - 1864). As I
have related to you and Barbara Wolfe previously, I receive this as a
wild tale without much potential. Census records indicate Virginia
births for Lucy and for Nancy. I have no independent evidence of
Arkansas births or residencies. If it happened at all, I can only
imagine it was a journey out and back again.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 5 May 1998 00:29:19 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>5-4-98
>
>Just searched the Bureau of Land Management General Land Office site,
>and
>was surprised to find that in the Arkansas Land Office there was a
>record
>for a land patent under the "Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812 (2 Stat. 718)"
>to:
>
>Patentee Name: Poythress, Lilly
>Warrantee Name: Poythress, Peter
>
>re 160 acres in Faulkner County.
>
>Hopefully our military expert, Craig Scott, can further enlighten us
>re the
>Act.
>
>& Didn't one of our Listers have someone in their family who had a
>passed-down story of how their branch of the family came back to some
>more-easterly Southern state FROM Arkansas via wagontrain? I remember
>that
>there was such a story, but am not sure who? Judy, was it you?
>
>Barbara (BPN)
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Poythress GenealogyJoe PoythressSheryl,

Hi, yourself! I'm another one of the quiet ones out there. Tell me where
you fit in this Poytrhess puzzle and maybe we can share a thing or two
about our branches of this complicated and incomplete family tree.

I am Joe wallace Poythress of the James Speed/ Mattie Grace Raisson
Poythress line and I reside in Quitman (born in Meridian). Mississippi.
Nice to meet you and hello to Cliff.

Regards, Joe Poythress

----------
> From: Cliff and Sheryl Townsend
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress Genealogy
> Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 3:14 PM
>
> Hi,
> I am sending a change of address. I am Sheryl Rowell Townsend and my
> old address was cctowns@sat.net and my NEW ADDRESS IS:
> cctowns@thenett.com
> Please make the correction on the list so that I will receive the mail
> on the Poythress Genealogy correspondence.
> I am one of those quiet ones out there. Waiting for my line to be
> touched.
>
> Thanks,
> sheryl
>
> ______________________________		05/11/1998 4:14:55
Getting Up SlowlyVKRatliffSorry for dropping out of sight, folks. Now back on line and running AOL only
but I'll have contents of old hard drive re-installed in a day or so and be
back to whatever passes for normal for me.

Barb Neal, we still have the matter of the estate papers of William Poythress
of Savannah to get "on record". I have not yet transcribed my GDAH cassette
tape recording which I'll plan to do while I'm in Houston (5/22-6/11) looking
for something to do to kill time. (I'll still be active in that period because
my daughter is married to the alphageek who has enough stuff to do a moon shot
and I'll stay on line).

This estate record is fairly lengthy. It runs 8 or 10 "document pages"
although several are "folio" covers consisting of only one or two lines.

I propose that I then send to you my tape itself, my transcription, and my
hard copies of micro-film photoprints....some shots positive, some shots
negative, some shots both. Much of this information is illegible and/or
garbled. Experience has shown us that you have a fine ability to deduce more
stuff than I can usually read outright. The object here is to get it right
(and the most) the first time simply by letting you have a shot at changes
and/or additions and then you can post the corrected document. And if anyone
else wants a shot at the puzzle you can send them the material also.

The inference should NOT be drawn that this William Poythress is likely to be
of any greater significance to us than any of the other Williams in our
collection. In fact, this fellow is very much a stand-alone with only the
possibility to be any one of three Williams. We know his year of death in
Savannah, that he had a wife named Sarah who later drew land in the Georgia
lotteries (qualifying as a widow), and that there were no heirs to William's
estate other than Sarah. Oh, yes, and we know that he died relatively broke.

Other than these four facts, William's papers would seem to be more
interesting than important. However, with the transcription of these
documents we'll be able to hang him on a convenient peg for whenever his
kinfolks show up in the future.

Sound okay to you?.....or anyone else with comments?

Thanks,

Maynard		05/11/1998 9:57:15
Re: Brandon's Grand-AuntCharles Neal5-11-98

Lyn,

I am so glad that you called Agnes Poythress Hudson, and were able to
relate family facts with her. It truly is a small world, isn't it!

Her story about not having known at age 10, her father's first cousin Frank
Poythress, is a good reminder to all of us, that as we strive to locate our
ancestral kinfolks, we need to maintain some sort of regular contact (even
if it is only Christmas cards, or Reunions every few years) with all of our
own first cousins & try to keep our kids aware of their cousins' kids as
best we can.

One day we may track down thru such calls, a cousin of a cousin that will
furnish each of us with the tidbit that is our missing link to what we
search. Thank you so much for sharing your report of talking with her.

BPN		05/11/1998 10:28:22
Re Wm Poythress of SavannahCharles Neal5-11-98

Maynard,
Glad to see you're making it back aboard.

Your proposal re me going thru what you glean on the estate record of
William Poythress of Savannah sounds fine to me. If anyone else wants to
take a crack at it, that's fine, too. I'm liable to have a delay in
getting time to work on it, due to this June & July's schedule for me, but
then the estate record has been sitting there for the better part of a
couple of hundred years unexamined, so I guess we shouldn't worry about
another couple of months, hm?

:-))
BPN		05/11/1998 10:28:25
Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Charles Neal5-11-98

Lyn,

Re your healthy skepticism on the Arkansas-trek, I have a large dose of it,
too. However it does occur to me that your last line re " If it happened
at all, I can only imagine it was a journey out and back again" it does
occur to me that it could have been a journey to visit kinfolks initially
thinking of moving there & then deciding "Nah." Or of course the Lilly
Poythress may never have gone there herself, after getting the land due to
Peter Poythress' apparent War of 1812 service. I'll have to keep my eyes
open next time I am reviewing Census indexes, since I haven't even looked
at Arkansas for Poythress folks in Censuses before.

I HAVE previously seen, by the way, in Stuart Lee Butler's excellent book
__Virginia Soldiers in the U. S. Army, 1800-1815__ (Athens, GA: Iberian,
1986) that there was a Peter Poythress of Dinwiddie County who was in 29th
Infantry, age 32, bricklayer, born in Dinwiddie, who enlisted at Danville
in Aug 1814 & died at Norfolk 29 Feb 1815. I tried once to round up any
available record for him at the National Archives, and drew a blank.
However it seems logical that this Bureau of Land Management, General Land
Office, record of land in Arkansas for Patentee Lilly Poythress (Warrantee
Peter Poythress), might be related in some way to the Peter Poythress that
Butler listed.

Maybe Craig, who knows LOTS more about military records in the National
Archives than I do, could address any likelihood on Butler's listed Peter
Poythress being connected in some way to the Warrantee Peter Poythress?

BPN
> > >
Barbara, I confess I am the lister with the Arkansas legend. A first
cousin of my mother has a washbowl and pitcher which her mother, Susan
Poythress Davis, gave her as having accompanied Susan's
"Great-grandmother Poythress...from Arkansas to Virginia on a wagon."
Specifically, this would have been Rebecca Taylor Poythress (ca. 1770 -
1845). However, assuming any truth in the story, I would allow for the
possibility it could have been Susan's grandmother, Lucy Thomas Poythress
(ca. 1827 - ?), or Lucy's mother, Nancy N. ? (ca. 1798 - 1864). As I
have related to you and Barbara Wolfe previously, I receive this as a
wild tale without much potential. Census records indicate Virginia
births for Lucy and for Nancy. I have no independent evidence of
Arkansas births or residencies. If it happened at all, I can only
imagine it was a journey out and back again.
Lyn P. Baird		05/11/1998 10:28:41
Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Charles Neal5-12-98

Craig,

Appreciate the clarification. I'm sure we'll all enjoy learning more
if/whenever you get further info on Peter of 29th regular Army.

BPN		05/12/1998 8:06:42
1880 Census Franklin Co, NCCharles Neal5-12-98

With thanks to Sarah Poythress, of Henderson, NC & our List, for the
following transcription, here is a copy for everyone.
BPN
> > >

I did find John Lewis Poythress & his wife Tabitha Ann Nunn in
the 1880 Census, for Louisburg Township, Franklin County, N C. I
didn't have time to look at the 1870. What I did look at I could not
read. Maybe it will be clearer in the Franklin County Library, but I
haven't had a lot of time to look for things lately.

Listed on 1880 Census: [Listed here in the order of Head of Household,
with his race, sex, age, & birthplace; Father's birthplace; Mother's
birthplace; and then such available info for members of his household,
where ditto marks are inserted for same last name. Dght. is short for
daughter and Wid.for widow.]

Poythress, Jon. L.; W M 50, VA, VA, VA
" , T. Ann W F 42, Wife, NC, NC, NC
" , Fanny W F 16, Dght., VA, VA, NC
" , John W. W M13, Son, NC, VA, NC
" , Joseph S.; W M 11, Son, NC, VA, NC
" , Otelia M. W F 9, Dght, NC, VA, NC
" , Alice O. W F 5, Dght, NC, VA, NC
" , Mary G. W F 2, Dght, NC, VA, NC
Dickerson, Virginia W F 21, Dght, Wid.,VA, NC, NC
Note - Mary G.'s age looked like a backwards 3, but compared to
Tabitha Ann's it looked like the 2 in the 42, just not written as plain.

The birthplaces on this census put the family in VA until after 1864 when
Fanny was
born, but moving to NC before John W. was born 3 yrs. later. This matches
the
age I have for John Lewis Poythress. The census was taken in June, before
his
birthday in August, when he would have turned 51.

Maybe now I can find out who his mother and father was. I couldn't
find out in Boyton, VA. They didn't have any records hardly or if they did
I couldn't find them.

All for now,
Sarah		05/12/1998 8:06:45
Re: Vestry Book- Bristol ParishCraig R. Scott>Three options come to mind depending on your interest:
>
>1) I'm fairly sure Craig can get it for you if you want your own copy...you
>all have his address...my address book is on a zip disk waiting to be put back
>on hard drive.

Willow Bend will sell the book to list members for the advertized Heritage
Books price for orders recieved by May 30th. But the book will not be
available until July or August.
>
>2) buy it from Heritage if Craig can't get it.

Willow Bend stocks the entire Heritage Catalog. If they have it, I have it.

I am leaving for Racine in the morning and will not be back for a week, so
please don't expect a response from me soon.

Craig

-----
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willowbend@mediasoft.net

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Come visit.		05/12/1998 9:15:18
Re: Scrip-Warrant Act of 1812Craig R. ScottThe reason that BPN was unable to locate any information on Peter Poythress
of the 29th U.S. Infantry is that she was probably looking in the wrong
place. The index to 1812 soldiers only deals with volunteers and Peter was a
regular. We will have to compile his service record on our own since no
compiled records exist. Because he died in the service I have been hunting
for his widow's half pay pension for some time. To date I have not located
it. It is entirely possible that the Peter of the 29th and the Peter of
Lilly are the same person, but the proof will be in the research.

C.

>I HAVE previously seen, by the way, in Stuart Lee Butler's excellent book
>__Virginia Soldiers in the U. S. Army, 1800-1815__ (Athens, GA: Iberian,
>1986) that there was a Peter Poythress of Dinwiddie County who was in 29th
>Infantry, age 32, bricklayer, born in Dinwiddie, who enlisted at Danville
>in Aug 1814 & died at Norfolk 29 Feb 1815. I tried once to round up any
>available record for him at the National Archives, and drew a blank.
>However it seems logical that this Bureau of Land Management, General Land
>Office, record of land in Arkansas for Patentee Lilly Poythress (Warrantee
>Peter Poythress), might be related in some way to the Peter Poythress that
>Butler listed.
>
>Maybe Craig, who knows LOTS more about military records in the National
>Archives than I do, could address any likelihood on Butler's listed Peter
>Poythress being connected in some way to the Warrantee Peter Poythress?
>
>

-----
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willowbend@mediasoft.net

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Come visit.		05/12/1998 10:00:40
Vestry Book- Bristol ParishVKRatliffOfficially: The Vestry Book and Register of Bristol Parish, Virginia
1720-1789,
originally thought to be lost but came to light in the library of Rev. C. J.
Gibson in
1894 with some evidence that it had been there since 1848. Transcribed
originally by C. G. Chamberlayne date unknown and this Chamberlayne edition
reprinted in 1898 with full name index.

Bristol Parish was established by act of the House of Burgesses in 1643.

This one has been out of print for some time, or, at least I couldn't find it.
Not being able to find a copy, I photocopied the library Poythress pages which
are about one out of every four or five pages in this 419 page volume. Good
news is there are many Poythresses mentioned with "significant events" such as
births, marriages, etc....not ordinarily found in wills, deeds, etc. Bad news
is that about half the entries merely note the presence of William Poythress
as a vestryman at such and such meeting on such and such date.

Earliest date for recorded births, baptisms, etc. is 12 Apr 1685 and latest
date is 9 Mar 1798.

This one is now being reprinted again per my catalog from Heritage Books, Inc.
(www.heritagebooks.com). If I hadn't already paid for all the xerox copies
I'd be inclined to buy it just to have for my own library. It is being
advertised at $32 paperback (seems a bit pricey for paperback reprint) or a
prepublication price of
$ 25.50 prior to May 30.

Three options come to mind depending on your interest:

1) I'm fairly sure Craig can get it for you if you want your own copy...you
all have his address...my address book is on a zip disk waiting to be put back
on hard drive.

2) buy it from Heritage if Craig can't get it.

3) stick around until I have time to post all the Poythress entries if that's
all you would care about. I'm not going to concern myself with copyright
implications as the volume is merely a reproduction of the original manuscript
of 1720-1789 with no "value added" by anyone. I plan to get to it sometime
before about June 9.

Maynard		05/12/1998 11:07:12
Re: Improved SearchesCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks for the updating info on searches! Great to know we can search
recent items, too! What did he mean by phrasing it as "Courtesy of hacks
by. . ." HACKS? (I guess I associate "hacking" only with intrusions that
are unwelcomed.)

BPN

05/13/1998 2:43:37
Improved searchesVKRatliffBelow as information. Maynard

[ My apologies to the folks who have multiple or incorrect
subscriptions to LISTOWNERS-ANNOUNCE; I'll get that subscription
list cleaned up as soon as I can. -B ]

[ This is a public announcement -- it may be forwarded to any
appropriate audience. -B ]

The new search engine server is now online and can operate at the
speed of a full T1 connection.

Courtesy of hacks by Dale Schneider, you can search the USGenWeb
Archives, now with *headlines* and *updated* to within the last 24
hours, at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm

Courtesy of hacks by Karen Isaacson, you can search the archives of
any mailing list (except those withdrawn by the listowner), now with
nicer *formats* and *updated* to within the last 24 hours, at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I'd also like to explicitly thank the folks who provided the
resources that have made this new facility possible:

o RootsWeb's Patrons, Donors, Sponsors, and Members.

o Palladium Interactive, developers of the Ultimate
Family Tree software for genealogists.

Folks interested in helping RootsWeb provide new facilities can
become Members by using the Web form at:

http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

By the way, the next server we'll be bringing online will be a box
dedicated to supporting Marc Nozell's HTMLized versions of the
mailing list archives. We should have that box online within 48
hours, though it's reasonable to expect Marc to need a little time
after that to get his software installed. (:

Projects after that include a dedicated IRC server, upgrading the
mail hub, upgrading the main Web server, building a NT-based
FrontPage server, bringing a "dirtylists" list server online, and
bringing a third ordinary list server online.

[ The "dirtylists" server is for the big, rarely used announcement
lists. We've developed a number of those things with 5,000 to
300,000 subscribers, and every time a post drops we kick the
daylights out of the list server with hundreds or even thousands of
bounces. We need a specially tuned box to handle these turkeys. ]

No rest for the wicked, I suppose ... Cheers, B.		05/13/1998 4:17:07
Re: 1880 Census Franklin Co, NCThanks, Barbara, for sharing this with everyone and good hunting, Sarah.
This indicates that John Lewis and both his parents were born in
Virginia, that John Lewis was born about 1829, and that John's household
resided in Virginia until between 1864 and 1867. So far, there is
nothing here to discredit our proposal of Edward as father of John Lewis.

Sarah, let me suggest you next look for John Lewis' household in the 1860
Mecklenburg, Va. census. You may get lucky and find his parents residing
either in his household or nearby. Also, don't overlook those "candidate
siblings" of John Lewis - Sarah A. (ca. 1832), Harriett (ca. 1834) and
George (ca. 1838). Just where are they in 1860? And what of their
marriages? The married names of Sarah and Harriett could be especially
interesting as traces to "distant cousins" of generations that are later
and are therefore in the range of living memory. Not to mention the
obvious potential content of the marriage records per se. Happy hunting
and copy me on your progress, please.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Improved searchesMaynard, thanks much. I was familiar with the mail search site, but not
with the archive search site. The latter is great! Thanks again.

Best regards,
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Houston 5/22-6/8Charles NealMaynard, Best wishes to Leigh. It gives me a smile to picture you playing
with the grandbabies -- Have fun.
BPN

05/14/1998 8:34:44
Houston 5/22-6/8VKRatliffJean and I will be in Houston dates above. Daughter Leigh having operation
and needs a mama. I'll going to play with grandbabies. Will be picking up e-
mails as usual since both of my kids have AOL hookups.

Maynard

05/14/1998 10:59:43
Ga. 1860 CensusVKRatliffBarbara: (only 1860 here as specified)

Troup County....

I never listed them from census because correlation of names with Joseph &
Mary Poythress event line says we have each of them named, dated, and pegged
anyway. The census entries are without exception sons and daughters or
grandsons and grandaughters of Joseph and Mary Poythress who died 1853 and
1854.

If there are any "B" on 1860 Troup census they are almost certainly Joseph's
(or his heir's) freed slaves who either took the name or were given the name
prior to manumission. There are no other "B" Poythresses in any of the other
Georgia counties in 1860. There are numerous "B" on 1870 Troup census who are
ex-slaves of Joseph who either took the name as freedmen or had it given to
them by Joseph sometime prior.

Screven....you got 'em all but here is the detail for each:

H. H. # 141, page 81
John Poythress 33 M Farmer Ga.
Mary A. 33 F Ga.
Mary H. 17 F Ga.
Sarah E. 12 F Ga.
William H. 8 M Ga.
John H. 7 M Ga.
Henrietta 4 F Ga.
Viola 3 F Ga.
Charles M. 9/12 M Ga.
This family unidentified. I would feel only in part comfortable guessing this
John is a descendent of John White Poythress, Bud's ancestor. The given names
seem to correspond with many of Bud's folks. Comment Bud?

H. H. # 147, page 81
Wm. E. Poythress 27 M Farm laborer Ga.
Martha J. 19 F Ga.
Sarah J. 1 F Ga.
This family unidentified.

H. H. # 519, page 137
J. M. Poythress 27 M Farmer Ga.
R. 30 F Ga.
Alice 5 F Ga.
R. Gross (?) 29 F Domestic Ga.
Ann (?) 30 F Do Ga.
This is unquestionably John Maner Poythress, wife Rhoda E. Gross, and daughter
Alice. It is highly probable that R. Gross and Ann (probably Gross) were
sisters of Rhoda living with the family. It is recorded that these two
"sisters" (neither married) are buried in the recently discovered private
cemetery in which John Maner and Rhoda Gross Poythress are confirmed buried.
Further clearing of that cemetery should substantiate this.

H. H. # 531, page 139
B. H. Brannen 40 M Farmer Ga.
E. D. 28 F S. C.
Ralph 10 M Ga.
Pauline E. 8 F Ga.
B. H. 6 M Ga.
Sarah E. 2 F Ga.
M. Poythress 60 M F. Laborer Ga.
M. Poythress is unquestionably Meredith Poythress, Jr. The thread to pull
here with respect to the Brannen connection is revealed in part by the will of
Cleton Poythress
(1828). Cleton names a Meredith Poythress as father and a Meredith Poythress
as brother (obviously Meredith Jr.) Cleton names as a sister Elizabeth
Brannen (censuses do not show a logical candidate to be this sister of Cleton,
daughter of Meredith, Sr. but the will is contemporaneous evidence) and a
niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress. Cleton names Hope Brannon as sole executor.
Hope Brannen is perhaps the husband of Elizabeth (Poythress) Brannen.
Witnesses to the will were William Brannen and Jane Brannen. We certainly
have Brannens aplenty.

This is now on my "to do" list for confirmation but I'm inclined to guess that
B. H. Brannen herein named head of household is the son of Hope and Elizabeth
Brannen (the sister of both Meredith, Jr. and Cleton). The two year old Sarah
E. (Elizabeth?) of the census is likely the namesake of either her grandmother
Elizabeth (in Cleton's will) or her second cousin the Sarah Elizabeth
Poythress ("niece" in Cleton's will) or both.

Meredith, Jr. at age 60 would thus be living with his nephew B. H. Brannen.
He may assumed to have died in the 1860's as he does not appear on the 1870
census. It is unlikely that Meredith, Jr. is buried in the recently
discovered private cemetery containing the graves of his son John Maner
Poythress and Rhoda Gross Poythress as he does not appear on list of names
Dorothy Poythress copied from a lady who had recorded the graves at an earlier
time. Any search for Meredith, Jr.'s grave should likely begin with the
Brannen family above.

A question in all of the above would be the sizable gap between death dates of
brothers Cleton (1828) and Meredith, Jr. (after 1860) but the will of Cleton
would seem to remove any doubt as to the relationship as brothers.

Burke...

H. H. # 299
John C. Poythress 62 M Planter Ga.
Mary E. Mandell 28 F Ga.
Ann E. " 11 F Ga.
We know John C. Poythress is son of George Poythress, one time sheriff of
Burke County and certainly deceased by this time. Here is where we need
Martha Dixon on line, she has all that John C. crowd memorized. Alice, you
making a PC guru out of that lady yet?

Maynard		05/16/1998 6:39:31
1860 Census QuestionsCharles Neal5-16-98

I looked in my copies from VA, NC, & GA indexes of the 1860 Census, from
earlier visits to the National Archives years ago, and saw no Poythress
households listed as being in Mecklenburg Co, VA.

Can anyone who has seen any of the following Poythress households let us
know the listings of everyone in the household(s), please? Sure would
appreciate it. These are households that I have not yet looked at, on
Census rolls themselves.

Also, if anyone knows of any other 1860 Poythress households in OTHER
states' Censuses, I'm sure we would all like to hear of them.
BPN
> > > > >
In VA, even though I looked at lots of possible spellings, I found only
household listings for
- Lewis Y. Poythress in Greensville Co, VA, Hicksford P. O., (Greensville
Co. is on the eastern side of Brunswick Co, while Mecklenburg is on the
western side of Brunswick), page 600
- Benjamin Poythinss in Dinwiddie Co, VA, Centre W. Petersburg, p. 129
- William D. Poythuss in Dinwiddie Co, VA, South W. Petersburg, p. 275
- Polly Poythress in Prince George Co, VA, Templeton P. O., p.353

In NC, I saw only 2 households, both in Warren Co, NC, Warrenton P. O:
- D. Poythress, p. 510
- M. Poythress, p. 483

However the bulk of the Poythress households I saw were in Georgia:
In TROUP CO, GA:
- William Poythness, Harmonville P. O., p.176
- C.E. Poythress, LaGrange, p.325
--- 2nd listing for C.E. Poythress [on the Slave Schedule of Troup Co,
p.194]
- R.K. Poythress, Pools Mill, p. 220
--- 2nd listing for R.K. Poythress [on the Slave Schedule of Troup Co,
p.215]
- S.J.Poythress, LaGrange, p.310
- William Poythress [on the Slave Schedule only, for Troup Co, p.235]

and in SCREVEN CO, GA:
- J.M. Poythress, Sylvania P. O., p.138
- John Poythress, Black Creek P. O., p.81
- M. Poythress, Sylvania P. O., p.140
- William E. Poythress, Black Creek P. O., p.81

and in BURKE CO, GA:
- John C. Poythress [on the Slave Schedule only, for Burke Co, p.174, and
for Waynesboro of Burke Co, p.242

I also have been told there was a James A. Poythress in Caddo Parish,
Louisiana

and I know there was a Joshua Poythress household in Union Co, New Jersey

and I stumbled across (while looking for my mom's people in Texas), a Sarah
Poytress household in Washington Co, TX, Doddville P. O. (Washington Co is
about halfway between Austin & Houston)		05/16/1998 7:10:30
Ga. 1860 CensusCharles NealMaynard,

Thank you so much for contributing what you have on the GA Census.

One clarifying comment, though, regarding your reference to "B." In some
other Censuses, a "B" is placed in one of the columns to indicate that the
person is Black. That holds true for the Population Schedules of the
Census.

However, in 1860 the Slave Census listings that I gave in my message, are
from a separate Schedule -- NOT the Population Schedule, but the Slave
Schedule. The full names listed on that schedule, like John C. Poythress,
indicate the slave-owner. The slaves themselves would not have surnames
listed.

In the Census Indexes that I consulted for the regular 1860 Population
Schedule, no race was indicated in the Index for any names, whether "W" or
"B" or "M" would remain to be seen when one actually consults the Census
pages themselves.

Thanks again!
BPN		05/16/1998 11:37:53
1860 CensusCharles Neal5-17-98

Thanks to BPW & Bud for additional info on the 1860 Census households.

I think I found two significant entries listed in 1860 Census Indexes.
Whoever among us has a chance to look soonest, and report back about the
make-up of the households, would do us all a great service.

In Mecklenburg Co, VA is a John L. Pogthress (!!) in Mecklenburg Co, VA,
Union Level P. O., p.318

Another good possibility is in NC: Edward Paithress, in Granville Co, NC,
Sassafras Fork, p.393

Also I forgot to mention that my James Edward Poythress, who had moved to
Sumter Co, AL in 1853, was erroneously listed on the 1860 Census, too. The
Census page actually shows, however, that the Census taker re-wrote his
name correctly just above the wrong spelling, still in the same box, which
of course results in a hard-to-read conglomeration of writing in that box.
It was originally written as James Posythess, with Poythress written above:

National Archives M653
Sumter Co, AL, Northern Division-Sumterville, handwritten-page # at top is
36, household 283 & family 283
James Poythress 58, M, Farmer; -0- real estate; $1,000 personal estate;
b. in VA
Catharine " , 60, F, b. in VA
Rebecca " , 16, F, b. in VA
Penelope " , 14, F, b. in VA
Algernon " , 12, M, b. in VA
Priscilla " , 11, F, b. in VA

[Note: I find that the listing of a Census household prints out better on
various folks' messages if I just use a couple of spaces between the age, &
sex, etc, than trying to line it up further apart. Different
email-handling programs seem to really s-p-r-e-a-d the tabs or longer
spacings out, and mess up the original neat alignment anyway.]

All for now.
BPN		05/17/1998 8:38:48
1860 NC CensusBeetle72Barbara, this is the listing for Warren County, NC.

1860 Census, Warren County, NC

Listing #1
Post Office Warrenton, NC
Enumerated the 18th Of June, 1860
(M653 #916 page 483)

M. H. Cheek 78 f farmer Warren Co. NC
M. Poythref 22 f Warren Co. NC

Listing #2
Post Office Warrenton, NC
Enumerated the 27th of June, 1860
(M653 #916 page 56)

D Poythref 53 m overseer Mecklenburg, VA
S. R. " 40 f "
G. W. " 19 m "
C. D. " 11 m "
S. M. " 7 f "
A. M. " 4 f "

Barbara (BPW)		05/17/1998 9:19:09
Re: Ga. 1860 CensusBPoythressBarbara & Maynard,

Maynard, you are correct on the "John H. Poythress" (7 months) as a son of
John White Poythress, however John H. seems to have just dropped from sight
after this census. We've never found him listed anywhere so he must have
died.

The William H. Poythress, listed as "8 - M" in the 1860 census was my
grandfather.

And an interesting side note: - The daughter Henrietta listed in the 1860
census as "4 - F" later married a "James C. Coker." They had at least 2 and
possibly more children but while the children still very young, Henrietta
died. I've been told that her sister Viola had moved in, maybe before she
died, to help care for the children, and later married her brother-in-law -
James C. Coker.

Take care,

Bud		05/17/1998 9:57:55
RE:1860 FED CENSUSPortermom1Hello folks,
Here is what I have on 1860 census.

Gaston Township
105
Turner, Allen 55-M- Farmer
, Eliza 51-F
, Eliza 22-F
, Albert 15-M
, Ada 7-F
Portress ,Lovel 20-M
,Amanda 20-F
, Nat 10/12-M

40
Portress, Sterling 30-M
,Elizabeth 24-F
,Adiline 15-F
,Richard 23-M
,Ada 19-F
,Charles 1-M

BGP
Portermom1		05/18/1998 2:10:50
Nothing New Under the SunVKRatliffComing to me in the night was this great idea for positioning "found"
cemeteries on private property.....the owners of which are typically paranoid
about having the researcher publish the address and directions. I suppose the
property owners expect a crowd to come visiting the next morning and its a
little difficult to convince them otherwise.

My notion was to ask Rootsweb if anybody had ever thought about creating a
site for GPS (Global Satelite Positioning) and/or U. S. Topographical Surveys
to derive the
coordinates of a cemetery and slyly slip those in at the bottom of the page.
Would seem to serve three purposes: assuage and/or finesse the property owner,
conceal the address from the untechnologically hip, and yet save the precise
location for posterity.

The nice lady at Rootsweb says, yes sir, just go to:

http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www.gnis/gnisform.html

Yep, that baby be's right there.....although it doesn't look like the simplest
thing in the world to use, I didn't expect that anyway. Thought some of you
might be interested.

Maynard

05/18/1998 4:01:23
RE:1860 FED CENSUSCharles Neal5-18-98

Bruce, thanks for your help. Sure would appreciate knowing which county &
state Gaston Township is in?
Thanks again so much.
BPN		05/18/1998 8:11:32
Fwd: POYTHRESSVKRatliffHi, folks, would somebody mind giving this one a cursory glance (or more if
interested) and getting back to Drew.....I'm trying to get outa here for
Houston. That Benjamin yours by any chance, Craig?

Many thanks,

Maynard

In a message dated 5/19/98 2:15:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Foxhunt@colum.mindspring.com writes:

> Subj: POYTHRESS
> Date: 5/19/98 2:15:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: Foxhunt@colum.mindspring.com (Drew W. Weeks)
> Reply-to: 108@NMLRP.nmlrp.com, Sweetwater@NMLRP.nmlrp.com,
Lane@NMLRP.nmlrp.
> com, Barnwell@NMLRP.nmlrp.com, SC@NMLRP.nmlrp.com, 29812@NMLRP.nmlrp.com
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Hi,
>
> Does Susan Francis POYTHRESS, dau. of Benjamin and Susan Mary (WILLIAMS)
> POYTHRESS mean anything to you? She married my great-grandfather
> Williamson Lewis Tyus. Willing to share information. IF interested,
> e-mail me.
>
> Drew WRIGHT Weeks		05/19/1998 3:27:42
Chessborough-Mary RandallJane MacgillivrayHello Poythress researchers,
I have an extremely odd request for information. When I was studying
parish files, I found a Macgillivray entry in early 19th century(1810)
of one Chessborough Grant Falconer married in Ardersier (Inverness,
Scotland) to a Mary Randall Jane Kennedy. The LDS has hesitated about
this and called it two marriages. (But in fact it's only one) I am very
interested in these people. Do you know of any one by the name of
Colonel - for he was to become a Colonel - Chessborough Grant Falconer?
When I searched the web for mention of Chessborough I found the will
concerning Mary Mandall now Cheesborough - and I wondered whether my
Mary Randall wasn't a transcription error for Mandall.
But what was the 'message' behind the entry? In fact, my main question
is, What was this trial about? Because there was a trial in 1850 in
Scotland about an inheritance, which concerned the attributed nephew of
this couple.
The parish record entry I believe could have dated circa 1850, so news
of the trial could have reached Scotland ? Otherwise the only links
between you and our clan would be Georgia, (Lachlan MacGillivray, Indian
trader, till 1776). Are there any connections with the names Falconer or
Grant and Many Mandall Cheesborough?
I would very much welcome any suggestions or help you can give me,
because I am mystified!
Yours, Jane Macgillivray

--
Macgillivray Ancestor - 18th Century Parish Records online
http://www.mygale.org/~ancestor/dunlichity/index.htm		05/19/1998 5:23:29
Re: Benjamin & Susan Francis PoythressCharles NealDrew,

The Poythress folks you mentioned in your below message, which was
forwarded to our Poythress Research List, doesn't ring any memory bells for
me, though I'd sure like to know more -- like when & where these folks
lived. This might be the same Benjamin Poythress as the ancestor of one of
our researchers.

Barbara Poythress Neal

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 02:07:06 -0400
> From: "Drew W. Weeks"
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
> Subject: POYTHRESS

> Does Susan Francis POYTHRESS, dau. of Benjamin and Susan Mary (WILLIAMS)
> POYTHRESS mean anything to you? She married my great-grandfather
> Williamson Lewis Tyus. Willing to share information. IF interested,
> e-mail me.

> Drew WRIGHT Weeks		05/19/1998 11:09:43
Re: Benjamin & Susan Francis PoythressCharles Neal5-19-98

Drew, This is exciting! I'm pretty sure you are descended from the same
Benjamin Poythress as Craig Roberts Scott, one of our other researchers.
Craig is temporarily out of town & not where he can read & respond to
email, but he'll be back within the week. Craig will get this message
soon, with the copy of your input below. Seems to me I have seen the
Blandford graves you mention. I would love to know more about this family
line & I sure do appreciate what you have shared with us so far. Do you
have any info about where & when they married, by any chance?

In the meantime, while waiting for Craig to return, you might want to
subscribe to our Poythress Research List. To do so, go to our website &
the instructions on how to subscribe automatically are there. The website
is located at:
www1.minn.net/~atims/
[Note: the 4th character above is the number "one" not the alpha "L"

Welcome! (I have to get to bed now or I'll be useless at work tomorrow.)
Barbara Poythress Neal [or BPN for short]
> > >
Message text written by "Drew W. Weeks"
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:25:10 -0400
To: Charles Neal
From: "Drew W. Weeks"
Subject: Re: Benjamin & Susan Francis Poythress

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for your response about POYTHRESS. From my great-Grandfathers'
POYTHRESS research papers, here is some of the information I have:

Benjamin POYTHRESS of Southampton, Va married Susan Mary WILLIAMS.
Benjamin
b. abt. 1808, d. 7/26/1865; Susan b. 4/8/1825 in Petersburg, VA, d.
11/18/1877. Both are buried at the Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg, VA
in
Square 2 Section 44, Ward D, old grounds.

They had the following children: George Alexander (1847), John Wiliamson
(1851), Virginia Alice (1853), Mary Ellen (1856), Benjamin Franklin (1858),
Susan Frances ( b 1860, d. 1887), Laura Magnolia (1863), and perhaps
others.
Susan Frances POYTHRESS married my g-grandfather, Williamson Lewis Tyus on
10/27/1881 in Weldon, NC. (sure hope I typed all the dates correctly).

I'm looking for Benjamin POYTHRESS's parents and his wife, Susan Mary
WILLIAMS' parents. I hope this information is helpful. My grandfather
started this research back in the early 1900's and has a small hand-written
book of POYTHRESS information and research. Let me know how I can help you
with the Poythress research project.

Drew WRIGHT Weeks
g-grandaughter of Susan Frances POYTHRESS
<		05/19/1998 11:52:57
Cheeseborough; Lewis Poythress & Geo P.Charles Neal5-20-98

Jane,

Have never run into your Chessborough Grant Falconer or the woman who he
married in Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland -- Mary Randall Jane Kennedy --
before. I strongly suspect it is all a case of a similar name, but here
goes:

Since you didn't say what exactly you saw, I'm speculating that the message
that you probably found was one put out on our Poythress List on 18 May
1997, with a transcript I did of a Will of George Poythress, and my
associated comments. He died in Jackson Co, FL around July 1832.

The messages/questions behind that message include the following pertinent
points:
- George Poythress had two heirs:
- a son, John Carter Poythress, who was very prominent in GA -- Burke
County, I believe, but any other Poythress-Listers are welcome to chime in
and correct me. From a volume at the GA Archives in Atlanta, __Grave
Markings in Burke Co, GA__ by Powell, Odom & Hillhouse, publ by a company
in Waynesboro, GA (1924), p.242, we know that John C was son of Major
George Poythress of Virginia and Hetty Carter (daughter of Alexander
Carter, Esq), and that John C was b.14 Sep 1796, and d. 12 Sep 1862.
- and Mary Elizabeth Poythress (described in the will as his daughter;
described in the court records as being John C's half sister) described in
above page/book as being born of Major George & his unidentified 2nd wife.
This book says that George's daughter Mary Elizabeth P married Addison
Mandell.

- According to a tidbit of info furnished by one of our Listers from a
book he located, __Marriages & Deaths 1820-1830 Abstracted From Extant
Georgia Newspapers__ by Mary Bondurant Warren, 1972, Miss Mary Poytress or
Portress had married Major A. M. Mandal (names not given any more fully; &
he is not further identified in this book) at Waynesborough, GA, on 17 Jan
1827. Thus, she was Mary Elizabeth Poythress Mandal or Mandell for a
while.

- Before George was writing his will, presumably Major A.M./Addison
Mandal/Mandell had died, and Mary Elizabeth had married again to a Dr.
William Cheeseborough/Cheesborough. His name & title & following tidbit
come from __Nuggets and Other Findings in Burke Co, GA__ by A. M.
Hillhouse, 198[1?], "Because Dr. Cheeseborough was feeble and unable to
attend his business, Alexander J. Lawson was made Trustee for Mrs.
Cheeseborough by order of the Judge of Ordinary, Burke County [at the time
of the death of George Poythress]."

- There was a case in Equity Book, 2nd Book, Burke Co, GA, apparently,
since the above "nugget" is cited in the Nuggets book as being an excerpt
from that book. I suspect this Burke Equity Bk is the one mentioned near
the bottom of this message.

- Since the "nugget" also mentioned that "The will of George Poythress,
living in the State of Florida . . ." had mentioned a brother of his,
"Louis Poythress, in the State of Virginia" who would inherit Mary
Mandell/Cheeseborough's portion PROVIDED she was deceased and without
living children, and since we are very interested in finding out more about
Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA, we had for several years wanted to
track down George's full will, and any associated estate records that might
further identify his brother Louis/Lewis.

- I had tracked down thru the Bureau of Land Management that George
Poythress got land in FL, so when on a trip down there, I checked in the
Jackson Co, FL courthouse & found a copy of George's full will as part of
his Probate Packet, and numerous receipts thru several years for John C.
sending her "her portion" from money from operation of the land.

- Still wanting to know if Mary died childless, next time I was in Salt
Lake, I checked Burke County, GA records, fruitlessly for many things, and
found that there was in Family History Library microfilm #222,856, "Equity
Records, 1834-1852, Superior Court, Burke Co, GA" on the "C" page of the
index of this old record book, the following entry:
"Poythress, John C. vs Cheeseborough, Mary et al 77 to 87"
I was running out of time there but scanned pp. 77-87 and noted that they
"are pertinent" to that case. The writing is TINY & very crowded, & all I
could tell about it without devoting even more time to decipher it, was
that John & Mary were in court for whatever reason -- perhaps over who
should be the next executor of their long-deceased father's estate, or
perhaps over something else.

So, if any of this sounds like it could conceivably help in your quest, you
might want to start with copies of the pages from that film #, or with
trying to figure out more about who Dr. WIlliam Cheeseborough was or who
Addison M. Mandell was. Or maybe this all is enough to eliminate this line
as non-pertinent for you.

Best wishes in your continued research!
Barbara Poythress Neal		05/20/1998 10:06:32
Re: Cheeseborough; Lewis Poythress & Geo P.Charles Neal5-21-98

Dear Jane,
Thank you so much for relaying the interesting Scottish slant on the
"Richmond factory" question! I am forward that (below) to our List. Al
Tims, our List-meister who had wondered about the Richmond factory, will be
most intrigued.

Since none of us Poythress researchers have yet gotten solid proof of
exactly where in the England-Scotland-Ireland-Wales area our Poythress
progenitor's line came from (Francis P arrived here in the 1630s, and we
have some good potential possibilities in Newent, Gloucester, though no
solid connection), this tidbit might even spur some on the Poythress-List
to pull out their kilts & give a toast of single malt.

How wonderful an opportunity for you to move to Scotland for a year in
August. Enjoy that beautiful land.

Will look forward to hearing any input you may have later, too. Good luck
in your research.
Barbara
> > >
Dear Barbara,
Thank you so much for your long and intresting reply. I think chances are
you
are right that the names are a coincidence, but as I so strongly suspect
the
Ardersier entry of being irregular, I think I shall order the microfilm to
see
what the small writing was about. Thank you very much for giving me the
reference of the film.
I think I can help you about the Richmond factory. Legal papers in Scotland
sometimes refer to factors and factories, factors being land agents -
Richmond
factory sounds as though someone called Richmond was handling the estate in
lieu of the owner.
I am moving to Scotland in August for a year, I may not see the film before
then, but when I do I shall keep you informed. Best regards, Jane		05/21/1998 7:01:17
Re: 1860 FED CENSUSCharles NealThanks, Bruce!
BPN

For any others who are keeping track of such info, Bruce has let us know
that his below info on the 1860 census is from

Northampton County, NC (Courthouse: Jackson, NC)
Gaston Township
105
Turner, Allen 55-M- Farmer
, Eliza 51-F
, Eliza 22-F
, Albert 15-M
, Ada 7-F
Portress ,Lovel 20-M
,Amanda 20-F
, Nat 10/12-M

40
Portress, Sterling 30-M
,Elizabeth 24-F
,Adiline 15-F
,Richard 23-M
,Ada 19-F
,Charles 1-M

BGP
Portermom1		05/21/1998 7:10:46
No SubjectGSilver200Poythress-L-request@rootsweb.com

05/22/1998 4:43:41
RE: Ancestry.comPortermom1Hello all,
Was looking through Ancestry.com information and found the following:

Don't think its anything new, just thought I'd pass it on.

Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 4

Henry ISHAM of Virginia, m. Katharine Banks ROYALL; their dau., Mary ISHAM, m.
William RANDOLPH of Virginia, b. 1751, son of Richard RANDOLPH; their dau.
Elizabeth RANDOLPH, m. Peter POYTHRESS and had a dau. Anne POYTHRESS, whose
descent was from Charles Martel, King of the Franks 690 A.D.

Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 4

ISSUE (OF ROBERT ANDERSON AND AURORA PRYOR MCCLELLAN).

JOHN BLAND of Virginia, b. 1573; d. 1632; m. Susan DU CLERC; their son,
THEODORIC BLAND, b. 1629-30, d. 1671, m. 1660 Anna BENNETT, d. 1687 (dau. of
Gov. Richard BENNETT of Virginia, who m. Mary Ann UTIE); their son, RICHARD
BLAND, b. 1665, d. 1720, m. Elizabeth RANDOLPH, dau. of William and Mary
(ISHAM) RANDOLPH; their son, Richard BLAND, b. 1710, d. 1776, Member Virginia
House of Burgesses 1742-75, m. Anne POYTHRESS, dau. of Peter POYTHRESS; Anne
BLAND, b. 1735, m. John PRYOR, son of Samuel and Prudence (THORNTON) PRYOR;
their son, Luke PRYOR, b. 3d April, 1770, m. (1st) 8th April, 1782, Martha
SCOTT, who d.s.p., m. (2d) Anne Batte LANE, b. 21st June, 1790, d. 1864, dau.
of Benjamin and Sylvia (PERRY) LANE, b. 1746, d. 15th February, 1841; and
their son Luke PRYOR, m. Isabella Virginia HARRIS, dau. of John and Frances
(ROWZEE) HARRIS.

Portermom1/BGP		05/23/1998 2:59:24
Re: Benjamin & Susan Francis PoythressCharles Neal5-23-98

Drew,

I looked back at the notes I had from Blandford Cemetery & indeed I did see
these graves when there in 1992. From the cemetery office's records (Note:
there are no stones in this plot) I learned that in the same plot were
also:
- John W. Poythress, shown on their records with date of death (could be
date of burial, though) Aug.28, 1852
- Benjamin Poythress, d. March 16, 1859
These of course tie in well with being infant deaths of 2 of the children
you list below.

Also, I know this family was on the 1850 Petersburg, VA Census, but that
may not be news to you.

I am curious: How do you know that Benjamin Poythress was "of Southampton,
Va."? Also, have you located any marriage record for Benjamin & Susan?
Sometimes the original records of marriages include a release signed by the
bride's parent if she was under-age; and sometimes the groom's father or
brother signed with him for the bond.

I am also curious about the specific birthdate you have for Susan Mary
Williams. How ever were you fortunate enough to locate that?

And how great that you know the full names of the children. Do you have
info on the marriages of the children too?

I would love to learn more & try to help locate Benjamin's parents. I
suspect that could help me to prove who were the parents of my ggfather,
James Edward Poythress, who moved to Alabama from VA in 1853.

Look forward to hearing more from you.
Barbara (BPN)
> > > >
>Benjamin POYTHRESS of Southampton, Va married Susan Mary WILLIAMS.
Benjamin
b. abt. 1808, d. 7/26/1865; Susan b. 4/8/1825 in Petersburg, VA, d.
11/18/1877. Both are buried at the Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg, VA
in
Square 2 Section 44, Ward D, old grounds.

They had the following children: George Alexander (1847), John Wiliamson
(1851), Virginia Alice (1853), Mary Ellen (1856), Benjamin Franklin (1858),
Susan Frances ( b 1860, d. 1887), Laura Magnolia (1863), and perhaps
others.
<		05/23/1998 8:57:25
Poythress for GovernorVKRatliffBrother David's webpage is up. Its http://www.poythress.org> Its kinda
lame I think but I can't say so after having raised seven kinds of hell for
months now just to get a page. However, there is a "guest" page that I would
appreciate each of you signing when you visit and by all means leave some
constructive comments.

Thanks,

Maynard

05/24/1998 11:10:36
Georgia PoliticsVKRatliffBelow if you're interested....looks as if the game may be getting
afoot....this guy sounds like he's maybe trying to talk himself into an
endorsement. The Republican Bowers gets high marks from this guy but Bowers
is a throw-out...he is dead on the water from a mistress scandal that just
won't go away. All of below reinforces my
opinion that if David only makes it into a run-off with another Democrat, it
won't do anything but get easier from there.

Maynard

Subj: Update on Governor's race
Date: 5/24/98 9:53:24 PM Central Daylight Time
From: mdlangford@juno.com (Marilyn D. Langford)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com, hdrury@ibm.net, evaphiggins@mindspring.com,
dynamiccon@juno.com, billavila@juno.com, kathybrockman@juno.com,
katbrock@gate.net, druryd@mail.firn.edu, eadrury@juno.com, hhdrury@juno.com,
JMP024@aol.com

For all of you who have been asking about the governor's race, here's an
article by Atlanta Journal Editor Jim Wooten which appeared in today's
AJC.

Three Hopefuls most qualified to be governor
--Jim Wooten

After listening for about an hour each to all of the candidates with a
chance of becoming Georgia's next governor, here's the quick down-and
dirty:

*The three who most convincingly project a competence to govern are
Democrat Rep. Roy Barnes, Republican Mike Bowers and "former" Democrat
David Poythress. Each has a grasp of policy and detail. All seem to
know what they're trying to do with the office. Not everybody does.

*Barnes, a Mableton lawyer capable of speaking with great clarity about
complex issues, talks jargon-laced alphabet soup-FTE's and ERISA and the
like--obliviously convinced that in the primary and general election he
will face opponents unfamiliar with the minutiae of state government
programs. It is a tactic obviously cultivated for the campaign. His
hope, one guesses, is that voters will hear and conclude that he knows
stuff the others don't.

*Former Attorney General Bowers is easily the best at laying out an
agenda. Instantly you know where he stands; he does not equivocate,
defending his views with moral and philosophical certainty. He makes his
points in easy-to-grasp, 1-2-3 fashion.

*Poythress, former state labor commissioner, is in many respects the
surprise, primarily because Democratic elders have not anointed him, as
they have Barnes and Secretary of State Lewis Massey. Poythress has
developed a plan to clean up Atlanta's air that introduces reason and
sanity into a debate that is so far argued at the fringes.

It is an unusual political document in that it takes a complex
problem--dirty air--and attempts to devise solutions, sequentially and
comprehensively. That is, what can be done first? And then what? And
then what? In essence, he would start with coal-fired utility plants in
or near Atlanta, then reformulate gasoline, and then tackle mass transit,
mixed-use development and regional coordination.

It's doubtful that a political focus group ever heard it or that a poll
ever sampled reaction to it. How refreshing. Even if he's wrong, it's
competently thought out, practical and politically achievable. OK, so he
throws in a little power-company bashing for effect. He is trying to get
elected.

*Lewis Massey will fare well in a media campaign. He knows enough to
have responsible views on most of the issues likely to surface. But put
them together and he's still an unknown. Despite his youth--he's 35--he
doesn't sound young. In many ways, he is the ageless voice of the Gold
Dome: the solid team player who drives within the lines.

*State Sen. Steve Langford, a libertarian Democrat, is quite the reverse.
"I run from a little different spot," he says. "I'm someone who thinks
about the issues, who looks for substantive issues". On school vouchers;
they destroy the public schools and change the identity of private
schools." IN a single response, he expresses the philosophy at both ends
of the spectrum. Langford throws out ideas that have not yet been
sanitized by polls and focus groups. Refreshing. But he has even less
Democratic establishment support than Poythress.

Nothing's fixed yet, and the primary isn't until July 21. But Memorial
Day is upon us. It's time to begin tuning this one in.		05/25/1998 12:32:27
Thomas M. Poythress in Mecklenburg in 1860Barbara, I have from an old transcription the following 1860 census
record for the Thomas M. Poythress household:

1860 Federal Census, Mecklenburg Co., Va. (sheet 255, line 4)
98th Regiment, Tanner's Store P.O.

Poythress, Thos. M.; 37; carpenter
Lucy; 33
Elizabeth; 6
James; 3
Henretta; 1
(no record of birthplaces; none can read or write)

The James age 3 is my great-grandfather James David. As I understand
from your mail message of 5/16, you do not find this household in the
National Archives index. I transcribed this from microfilm in the
geneological collection of the city library here, many years ago.
Perhaps I will get to look it up again in the future and see if there was
anything unusual about the spelling.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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RE:David Poythresswayne scruggsDavid already has this family's vote. I have been campaigning for him
since I met Maynard via e-mail. I had already voted for him for Sec.of
State. I have mailed out pamplets all over Ga. and talked to many people
here in Atlanta.
Judy

05/27/1998 6:12:55
Thomas M. Poythress in Mecklenburg in 1860Charles NealLyn,

Thank you so much for sharing your old hand-transcription of this household
in the 1860 Census. For clarification, the index books I consulted were in
a room at the National Archives, but the index books were not published by
the National Archives. I guess there must be something either strange
about the spelling of Thomas' surname, or else the indexers just plain
missed him. Makes me especially glad that you had written down the full
info on how to locate the sheet & line of the district in this case.

Thanks for sharing.
Barbara		05/27/1998 9:01:03
Bersheba Poythress will?Charles Neal5-27-98

In the below portion of a message from Drew Wright Weeks, she mentioned a
will of a Bersheba Poythress, dated 1 May 1849 in Charles City Co, VA, Book
5, p. 182. From the context, this was probably one of the items found and
recorded by her grandfather in the early 1900s when he was doing research
on his mother's Poythress line. (Drew mentioned in her message that she
will be more able to discuss Poythress research info, much later in the
summer than she is now.)

I don't recall having ever heard of this will or its contents. Do any of
you recognize this?

Also, looking back at Craig's message of 3 April 1997 giving us info about
the Benjamin Poythress family in Petersburg, I see mention of a Beersheba
Bryant (from the Robert Bolling Batte chart at Library of VA) who married
Thomas Eppes Poythress, a sibling of Joshua Poythress, William Poythress,
Patrick Henry Poythress, and Mary Poythress. This Beersheba (nee Bryant)
Poythress is probably the same as the Bersheba Poythress of the will
mentioned above, in case that may help anyone remember hearing of the will
or its contents.

Any further info on this will would be greatly appreciated.
BPN
> > >

[Re the children of Benjamin Poythress & Susan Mary Williams]
I have John William Poythress listed as b. 5/5/1851, d. 8/28/1852, son of
Benjamin and Susan Mary Poythress.....also a son Benjamin Franklin
Poythress, b. 9/29/1858, d. 3/16/1859.

Most of the information I have
pertaining the the POYTHRESS family is from research (pretty thorough) done
by my grandfather, Lewis W. Tyus, back in the early 1900's. He gathered
much information by writing to family members who were living at that time,
as well as visiting many courthouses for marriages, land records, etc. . .
.My grandfather left me a POYTHRESS [note]book which appears to be
copies of family bible records of
POYTHRESS births, deaths, marriages, etc.

In my Poythress file, I list the following sources:
Bersheba Poythress Will, dated 5/1/1849, Charles City Co., VA. Book 5,
page 182
Charles City Co., Deed Book 10, page 138, dated 3/31/1849, and page 428,
dated 12/15/1853
Elizabeth Poythress Will dated 4/10/1787, Prince George Co., Deed Book
1787-1792, Part 1
Mary Poythress Will dated 2/9/1782, Prince George Co., Deed Book 1787-1792,
Part 1
Joshua Poythress Will 1739, Prince George Co.
John Poythress Will 1724, Prince George Co., Book 1713-1728, Page 706

. . . . still searching for the parents of Benjamin Poythress and his wife
Susan
Mary Williams. They probably had siblings; however, if so they are unknown
to me.

Drew WRIGHT Weeks		05/27/1998 10:14:20
Carl R. Poythresswayne scruggsTo All:
Just wanted to let everyone know that Carl Richard Poythress, last
surviving child of James David Poythress and Carrie Shepard Poythress is
in Rileys Hospital in Meridian,Ms. He is not doing well at all. He will
be 90 June 20th. He is also one of the last two grandsons of James Speed
& Mattie Grice Poythress. Harold being the other one. Thought you might
all say a prayer for him and/or sent him a card. The address is Riley
Memorial Hospital 1102 Constitution Ave. Meridian,Ms. 39301.
Thanks,
Judy Speed Scruggs- (Neice)		05/28/1998 5:53:33
Welcome JoeCharles Neal5-28-98

Joe, I was so tickled to see that you are indeed on the List! Welcome
aboard, and hope that all is well with you & your clan.

Best regards!
Barbara
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		05/28/1998 7:27:56
ancestorsI am a descendant of Thomas Carter of St. John's Parish whose son was Isaiah
Carter I who was brother of Alexander Carter and Mary Carter Lawson.
John Carter Poythress was the son of Hetty Carter (the daughter of Alexander
Carter, Esq) & Major George Poythress of Virginia. Major Poythress md. a
second time, so that John C. had a half sister, Mary Elizabeth Poythress. She
married Addison Mandell. Their son was George A. Mandell, husband of Mrs.
Mary E. Mandell. John C. md. a Miss Morris, a sister of Wm. S. C. Morris. In
his will, Will Bk A. 207-09, John C. excluded his nephew, George A. , and left
his property to his wife's neice, Maria B. M. McIntosh( daughter of Wm. S. C.
Morris), and to his nephews wife, Mrs. Mary E. Mandell and her daughter, Annie
R. Mandell (Munnerlyn). In the settlement of John C.''s large estate , the
historic Carter-Poythress House, with all its fine silver and furniture,
passed into the hands of Mrs. Mandell and ultimately to Mrs. Munnerlyn. This
house for decades became known as the Munnerlyn House (ed.)
*taken from Grave Markers in Burke County Georgia. There are other references
to this story if you are interested -- a letter.
Mary Carter sister of Alexander Carter married John Lawson Sr. thus making my
ancestor line on both sides early on Carter/Lawson and later my Grandfather
married a desendant of these same people. What I am to this Major Poythress I
don't know but his son by Hetty Carter was Alexander's only grand child. I
will have to get the story right for you about Hetty but think she is buried
in Savannah at the old cemetery and that her father was not happy about her
marriage to Poythress and only later took in her son because he was ill ----as
I said only trying to remember at this point but do have records about will.
Barbara Lillian North Hammett, daughter of Lillian Ashley Carter North who
was a daughther of Edward Alexander Carter & Sarah Augusta lawson		05/30/1998 7:09:52
Re Carter/etc ancestorsCharles Neal5-31-98

Welcome, Barbara Lillian North Hammett -

Re the last line of your message: "as I said only trying to remember at
this point but do have records about will" -- I'm not clear whose will you
are referring to?

Would also certainly appreciate knowing where Hetty Carter Poythress was
buried, if you are indeed able to get clarification on that. I'm not
familiar enough with Savannah to have any clue about the name or location
of "the old cemetery" that you said you thought it might be.

Also: have you ever had any indication of where George Poythress himself is
buried?
And where John Carter Poythress is buried?

Thanks for writing.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		05/31/1998 3:29:00
RE:North Carolina Death Records 1970-1974Hey Guys,

For those of you who subscribe to Ancestry.com -- check out this site;

www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3293.htm

for those of you who don't, here are some of the names listed;

Delzie Poythress age 66 d. 1-20-1970 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax
Joe Poythress age 65 d. 8-8-1970 Duplin
Mamie Poythress age 63 d. 2-1-1970 Vance
Forest Poythress age 58 d. 2-6-1971 Louisburg, Franklin
Martha Poythress age 67 d. 10-20-1971 Wilson
Alva Poythress age 53 d 12-17-1971 New Bern, Craven
Kelly Poythress age 26 d. 8-23-1972 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax
Sarah Poythress age 69 d. 4-15-1972 Wilson
Michael Poythress age 15 d. 6-3-1972 Charlotte, Mecklenburg
Mylae Poythress age 86 d.7-13-1972 Henderson, Vance

BGP / Portermom1		06/07/1998 5:31:17
Bruce MillerBarb Neal.....I'm sending this gentleman your way via phone. I just talked
with him about a half hour. He has a Poythress G-G-Grandmother out of Harris
County, Ga. and to TX via Alabama. Thought you might want to chat with him.

Bruce has computer and has been working the genealogy racket about 20 years.
However, he does not have modem. I suspect you and I will tip him over on the
subject of a modem as he had never heard of anyone researching the name and
ran across my name in some publication.

Since Harris County is adjoining and immediately south of Troup County, I'd
make short odds that he is decendent of that Joseph & Mary family. I'm snail
mailing Bruce a copy of the event line study for Joseph and Mary that our
errant, back-sliding list-meister hasn't posted to the webpage yet. ( 🙂
where you be's, Al Tims?)

Maynard		06/07/1998 8:40:19
RE:North Carolina Death Records 1970-1974Charles NealBruce,

Thanks so much for the forwarded list of NC Poythress Deaths. I don't
subscribe to Ancestry, so really appreciate anything pertinent you run
into, there or elsewhere.

BPN

06/07/1998 9:41:03
Hammett906@aol.com: Re: George PoythressA message from Barbara Hammett...

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: Hammett906@aol.com
To: llbaird@juno.com
Subject: Re: George Poythress
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:33:59 EDT
Message-ID: <9c62bfdd.357af938@aol.com>

Thanks Lyn,

We did not have George Poythress's second wife's name and only lately
discovered her father was Alexander L. Lawson. My Mother's grand father
was
Edward Alexander Carter and her grand mother Sara Augusta Lawson . You
say
George married second Mary Turner Lawson whose brother was Alexander L.
Lawson. Do you know who her mother was because I can not find an
Alexander L.
Lawson in my records. The Lawson's came here from Liberty County Ga. as
well
as the Carter's and the Lawson's were in Burke, Jefferson, and Richmond
Counties of Ga. Having homes in 2 counties at the same time with one
being a
summer home. I will look into this and appreciate any help you run
across and
also will be glad to send any thing to you. I am still amazed that I am
relative to both George's wives. John C. Poythress's grave is indeed in
Burke
county at the Confederate Cemetery and in a section where the tomb stones
are
not of poor people. Would you like a picture of his tomb stone? Thanks
again.

Barbara Hammett

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POYTHRESS Censuses 1850 & 60Charles Neal6-8-98

Maynard,

Thanks so much for tracking down all the various "POYTHRESSes on the loose"
from the various states' 1850 & 1860 Censuses for us all. Good job!

BPN		06/08/1998 9:47:48
POYTHRESSES ON THE LOOSEBarb Neal, I'm sending this specifically to you since you asked for the look-
ups but many others are likely to be interested. These are transcriptions of
census microfilm done at the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston on 4 June
1998.

The sequence for each individual is not the same as your list because in
transcribing these I had to work around microfilm availability. No one but
Barbara will know the difference and Barbara, the reason I'm transcribing them
in the order in which I looked them up is that I will send you the
accompanying microcassette tape to pick up some of the ad libs that will be
meaningfull to you.

I'll start each with Barbara's "description", present the census detail, and
then add my comments (if any) in "square" parens. I will not try to "head"
the columns, we all should know what the 1850 and 1860 census forms look like.

It should be noted that the process of "looking up" census names in that
universally used "Accelerated Learning Systems" and trying to reference by
ALS's page number to the individual's corresponding page number in the actual
National Archives Censuses is flawed (to say the least). I will use the
actual number shown on the National Archives Census page in each case. This
ALS system is so flawed that I will be preparing a write-up for those of us in
the future who may be attempting to use the references. Although flawed,
there is no practical alternative to using this reference system.

In every instance, I am spelling Poythress as the enumerator spelled it. If
the enumerator used a variant, I will use the variant. Most often a variant
spelling in the ALS index is a result of misreading by the ALS employee and in
the actual census the name is most often spelled conventionally.

First I am listing the Poythresses in the Screven Co., Ga. 1850 census. I
chose this for the first because a) I had some idea ahead of time as to what
I'd find and not find and b) I knew that ALS had actually missed some folks
outright. Also, the page numbers were so skewed that I knew I'd have to go
through the entire 74th Militia
District (its relatively short) and that all the Screven Poythresses in 1850
were indeed in this militia district.

1850, Screven County, Ga. (74th Militia District)

Page 42
297 297 Isaac Poythress 22 M Farmer $200 SC *married within year
Mary Poythress 20 F SC *married within year
*cannot read or write
[I don't believe we have ever linked these people]

Page 42
298 298 Hester Poythress 55 F Farmeress $800 SC *cannot read or write
William Poythress 18 M Farmer SC
Mary A. Poythress 14 F GA
Lucy M. Poythress 9 F GA
Jane Poythress 5 F GA

Page 53
406 406 John Poythress 26 M Farmer $200GA
Marian Poythress 28 F GA
Mary Poythress 6 F GA
Sarah Poythress 4 F GA
William Poythress 2 M GA
[it is Bud's belief that this is John White Poythress, son of Meredith
Poythress, Jr. and his first wife Hester Wilder Mock. The wife should
actually be "Mary Ann" not
Marian and her maiden name was Wilder. Mary is Mary H. Sarah is Sarah
Elizabeth. William is William H. I am inclined to agree with Bud.]

Page 69
544 544 Meredith Poythress 60 M Farmer $500 GA
Susan Poythress 50 F GA
Mary Poythress 21 F GA
Susan Poythress 18 F GA
John 15 M GA
Daniel 12 M GA
Josephine Smith 13 F GA*attended school year
[This is Meredith Poythress, Jr., wife Susan R. Maner, daughters Mary and
Susan,
sons John Maner Poythress and Daniel Willie Poythress, all well documented.
Josephine Smith is unknown]

Page 75
560 560 Elizabeth Best 48 F Farmeress $300 GA
George Best 15 M GA
Vicy (sic) Best 12 F GA
James Best 10 M GA
Ruthy Poythress 10 F GA
[Ruthy is not known to me]

1860 Union County, NJ, 3rd Ward City of Elizabeth.
Page 613
1941 2259 John R. Grain 48 M Surgeon $22M,10M NJ
Nancy C. D. " 38 F VA
James " 11 M NJ *school in past year
Katherine C. " 9 F NJ *school in past year
John I. " 7 M NJ
Henry B. " 5 M NJ
Lucy " 3 F NJ
Edward A. " 7/12 M NJ
Jane A. Harrison 20 F VA
Robert C. " 18 M VA
Joshua Poythress 77 M VA
Mary Kelly 28 F Servant Ireland
(illegible) 17 F Servant Ireland
Catherine Bethel 60 F Servant Ireland
Peter Dunn 20 M Gardener Ireland
[ merely to pose a guess: Nancy C. D. Poythress marries rich NJ surgeon, moves
to NJ, takes with her married sister Jane Harrison and father Joshua
Poythress].

1860 Caddo Parish, LA
Page 59
408 413 James A. Poythress 38 M Farmer 1000/300GA
Martha A. Poythress30 F VA
Emma J. Poythress 8 F LA
William H. " 4 M LA
John M. Poythress 26 M Carpenter FL
[its easy to see James A. in GA marrying a woman born VA and moving to
LA....but
where did we pick up the fellow from FL?]

1860 Dinwiddie County, VA, South Ward, City of Petersburg
Page 275
322 322 Poythress, Wm. D. 23 M Grocer $500/$100 VA
Poythress, Louisa 25 F VA
[there is a Louisa O. buried in Blandford Cemetery, it may or may not be this
L. ]

Page 279
2755 2713 Benjamin Poythress 50 M Huckster $100 VA
Susan Poythress 36 F VA
George Poythress 10M VA*school in year
Virginia " 6 F VA*school in year
Mary E. " 4 F VA
[saw Craig Scott's folks and decided just to pick them up. I had not realized
he
actually was listed as "huckster". Even so, he had a hundred bucks and two
kids in
school so "huckster" may not have had the negative connotation it has today]

1860 Washington County, TX Post Office: Doddville
Page 191
648 648 Poythress, Sarah 28 F Farmeress $500/200 AL
F. M. Greggs 21 M Farm Laborer AL

1860 Mecklenburg County, VA
Page 86
797 774 John L. Poythress 29 M Farm Laborer $100 VA
Tabitha A. " 22 F Domestic NC
Joshua E. " 4 M VA
Susan A. " 2 F VA
Virginia L. (sic) 1/12 F VA

1860 Granville County, NC, Sassafras Fork
Page 393
645 645 Rebecca Johnson - F M *Mulatto VA
Edward Paithress 85 M M Overseer $300 VA
Mahaly " 53 M VA
Elizabeth " 22 F VA
[85 years old?]

1850 Henrico County, VA
Page 267
519 591 James W. Pattross 50 M Carpenter VA
Eliza O. Pattross 42 F VA
Caroline P. Pattross 16 F VA
Sarah J. Pattross 15 F VA
Richard D. Pattross 13 M VA
Frances E. Pattross 13 F VA
Anney E. Pattross 10 F VA
James M. Pattross 7 M VA*attended school year
Mary V. Pattross 3 F VA
Albert Ball 26 M Machinist VA
Ann E. Ball 19 F VA
Emma E. Ball 8/12 F VA
Eliza Brown 44 F VA
Mary P. Davenport 50 F $750 VA
[if it takes overlong to find a link with these folks, I'd be inclined to say
the name is not a Poythress variant]

1850 Granville County, NC, Abraham Plains Dist.
Page 204 [there are TWO page 204's]
73 73 Mortimer D. Tanner 27 M VA
Elizabeth Tanner 22 F VA
Leonora Tanner 2 F VA
John Poythress 21 M Farmer VA

1850, Charleston District SC, St. James Parish
Page 366
30 30 Mrs. Poythress 70 F $ 187 SC
I. Sheppard 13 M SC
Miss McCraken 10 F SC
[this particular enumerator chose to address all females with salutory
title...often with a single initial in front of the surname, often without a
given name. Also, it may be noted that if this Mrs. Poythress was indeed 70
years in 1850 census then she was born in SC in 1780, a very early date]

1850, Giles County, TN, 12th District
Page 410
48 48 Willis Portress 52 M Farmer $4000 VA*cannot read or write
Rebecca " 48 F VA
Agnes " 19 F TN
McFerrin " 15 M Farmer TN
Fountainella (sic) " 12 F TN
James M. Cook 24 M Farmer TN
Mary E. N. Cook 23 F VA
[just as a pure guess we might suspect that Mary Cook is nee Portress, born
VA,
came to TN with mother and father and married James Cook who moved in with the
family]

1850 Yalobusha County, MS
Page 417
590 590 L. H. Portress 53 M Planter $ 1500 VA
Frances " 70 F VA
[Barbara, you suggest Littleberry for middle name, unless you have some other
reason to suspect this, the census doesn't indicate it. We might also suspect
this
L. H. Portress to be a slaveowner; it appears to me that if you did your own
digging you were a farmer, if someone else did your digging you were a
planter]

Hope one of these folks rings a bell for one of us.

Best,

Maynard		06/08/1998 10:54:27
The Library of VirginiaAs most of you know I receive the newsletter of the Library of Virginia and
pass along those items that are of historical or genealogical interest. The
March/April
1998 (they aren't exactly ahead of schedule) covers items of interest detailed
below
along with the website addresses:

1) PUBLIC WORKS IMAGES ONLINE
The Virginia General Assembly on 5 Feb 1816 passed the legislation that
created a
"Fund for Internal Improvement" for "the purpose of rendering navigable, and
uniting by canals, the principal rivers, and of more intimately connecting, by
public highways, the different parts of the Commonwealth".

The images of maps of these public works are now available online from the
homepage at http://image.vtls.com........the images are linked to the entries
that describe each map. The maps, drawings and plans in the collection
constitute an important pictorial and cartographic image of Virginia during
the last half of the 19th
century.

2) WAR OF 1812 DATABASE AVAILABLE
The War of 1812 Pay Rolls and Muster Rolls are now available as a fully
searchable
database through the Library of Virginia's Digital Collections home page or
directly at > http://eagle.vsla.edu/war1812 <. Previously, this heavily used
index was available as part of the electronic card indexes.

The War of 1812 database indexes approximately 40,000 names appearing in
"Payrolls of Militia Entitled to Land Bounty Under the Act of Congress of
Sept. 28, 1850" and "Muster Rolls of the Virginia Militia in the War of 1812"
which supplements the Pay Rolls. The supplement contains the companies and
parts of companies which were omitted from rolls in the office of the Auditor
of Public Accounts in Richmond.

"Available only since early April this new searchable database is attracting
rave reviews frrom researchers around the state and nation".

The Library of Virginia's homepage is: http://vsla.edu .....from which most
of the index of offerings can be viewed.

Hope this will prove helpful to us.

Maynard		06/09/1998 1:22:52
Re: HucksterMaynard,
According to the "A to ZAX" dictionary for genealogists I bought through
Willowbend, a huckster is a traveling street peddler who was not very popular
with the established town merchants.

Also known as a badger, cadger, and hawker: an itinerant middleman, between a
producer of goods and a consumer, who works for profit.

BPW

06/09/1998 7:50:49
Re: HucksterCraig R. Scott>According to the "A to ZAX" dictionary for genealogists I bought through
>Willowbend, a huckster is a traveling street peddler who was not very popular
>with the established town merchants.
>
>Also known as a badger, cadger, and hawker: an itinerant middleman, between a
>producer of goods and a consumer, who works for profit.

You know what they say, Great-Great-Grandfather like Great-Great-Grandson.

Craig

06/09/1998 8:00:20
Carl Poythress of MeridianCharles Neal6-9-98

Judy & Joe & Nell,

I got the following message dated Monday June 8, from a good friend of mine
who used to live in Alabama just across the stateline from Meridian,
Mississippi. Last year he moved further away. Would one of you folks be
able to get a photocopy for me of any obituary from Meridian contacts that
you have? If so, I sure would appreciate it.
Barbara Poythress Neal
> > >
>While listening to the radio this morning as I drove from Demopolis, AL
to Meridian Naval Air Station, I heard a funeral home announcement about
the death of Carl Poythress. . . .I am quite certain that his funeral is
being held by Webb Funeral Home. I also
believe that I heard that he will be buried at Forest Lawn (?). Since we
are out of the Merdian Star distribution area since we moved, I will not be
seeing a copy of his obituary.<		06/09/1998 11:31:02
AS INFO#ERROR!06/10/1998 2:28:45
PocahontasSubj: Pocahontas
Date: 6/10/98
To: WilliamOwen@compuserve.com
CC: CarBurCo@aol.com

William....suggest you consult "Pocahontas and her Descendents" by Wyndham
Robertson. This is the seminal work on the subject of Pocahontas' decendents
and has been followed by a recent volume which in turn contests a lot of
Robertson's "lines". Virtually any library will have (a) and most will have
(b)....whose name escapes me....but its been published in last couple of
years.

Mr. Robertson was a governor of Virginia. The tone of his book suggests to me
that he at least perceived that he had something to gain by proving descent
from Pocahontas. Many agree.

You should also know that in the genealogy racket, proving descent from
Pocahontas is the world's second favorite indoor sport. Frauds abound....for
25 bucks or so any of several "societies" will send you certification of
decendency (suitable for framing of course) from Pocahontas...almost no matter
where you came from. Some will even assign you a special tribal name.

Based on Mr. Robertson's book, and if you descend from a Rolfe, you and I have
a splendiferous distinction. The daughter of my "immigrant" Francis Poythress
was Jane Poythress who married Thomas Rolfe (only child of John Rolfe &
Pocahontas).
They in turn had only one child, a daughter, also named Jane who married a
Col. Robert Bolling. In a genealogical sense, both Janes thereby "married the
name away". Therefore, if your name is Poythress or your origin name is Rolfe
you have one of the only two names one can have in the entire universe and NOT
be directly descended from Pocahontas.

I gleefully apply to all the Pocahontas societies who contact me. I ask for a
special
category of absolutely-positively non-descendents of Pocahontas and suggest
that this category should at least get a special certificate and at half
price. I have discovered that these people have absolutely no sense of humor
about the matter.

I'm sure you won't miss my insinuation that all of this Pocahontas business
should be taken with a large grain of salt. However, I have learned in this
biz and others to never say never. Perhaps in the two volumes mentioned will
shed some light for you.

Kindest regards,

John M. Poythress
[vkratliff@aol.com]		06/10/1998 3:38:19
FWD: John Rolfe & Pocahontas; Rolfe help?William,

I am passing this along to the POYTHRESS list because people on that list
have a LOT on the descendants of Pocahontas and John Rolfe. I am sure they can
help you.

POYTHRESSES: please assist this ROLFE descendant. I know you can.
Thanks on his behalf,

Caroline Burnett Cook
desc of
Capt. Richard Ransom and Kesia Portis
daughter of JOHN PORTIS d 1794 and Sarah Jane Wilder of Halifax NC

In a message dated 98-06-09 23:28:25 EDT, you write:

<< rom: WilliamOwen@compuserve.com (William Owen)
Sender: va-roots@vsla.edu
Reply-to: WilliamOwen@compuserve.com
To: va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu (Multiple recipients of list)

Well, I almost hate to bring this up but my family stories include one that
my GGGM Elizabeth Brooks Brame was connected to the line of Thomas Rolfe,
son of Pocahontas and John Rolfe. The father of Elizabeth Brame was James
C. Brame whose will was probated on May 16, 1814 in Mecklenburg County.
His father was James Brame who married Sarah Rolfe, daughter of William and
Elizabeth Rolfe also from Mecklenburg. I have absolutely no information
about any additional Rolfe ancestors but was wondering if the descendents
of Pocahontas and John Rolfe were already worked out by someone. Then I
can put the story to rest once and for all.

William Parham Owen III		06/10/1998 4:12:34
Researching U. S. Census via A.L.S. IndexIt may be that the following is elementary to some or even all of you. It took
me a half day of grief to work out some of the hitches in using what seems to
be the most commonly used system of locating individuals or families in the U.
S. Census. I thought I would share with other rookies like myself what I
learned (no guarantees for accuracy). In places the comments are specific to
locating Poythresses but the points are generic.

RESEARCHING U. S. CENSUS VIA FINDING GUIDE INDEX BY
ACCELERATED LEARNING SYSTEMS

Accelerated Learning Systems (hereinafter "ALS") of Bountiful, Utah, Editor
Ronald Vern Jackson, published an index of each state for each census year
which lists each head of household name (alpha) and shows the corresponding
"page number" in the National Archives Census. It appears to be by far the
most universally used system. The ALS volumes are in most genealogical
libraries. The system APPEARS simple: just find the name and there is the
page number. Now just go look up the appropriate page on the census microfilm
and there it is. NOT. It doesn't quite work that way.

There are a number of frustrations in using the system. At first one is
tempted to
"blame" ALS for the gremlins. While it is true that Mr. Jackson's clerks
seemed to opt for volume over quality, it should be remembered that a) ALS
wasn't given much to work with and b) some "downstream" actitivity by creators
of microfilm didn't help
matters. Its tough to pick nits with ALS in what was obviously a monumental
undertaking.

Here are the snakes I found....and also described are the ways I used to dodge
them:

1) ALS misses some names entirely. Unless one is willing to page the entire
state or county microfilm there isn't much to be done about this one. One can
look for adjoining households or look in similar voting or militia districts
but that sort of misses the point of an index. Fortunately not many are
missed entirely but Mr. Jackson's minions did miss one occasionally.

2) Misspellings abound....enough to cause one to miss names. ALS blows one
occasionally but most often this can be charged up to the penmanship of the
many enumerators. It should also be remembered that many of those being
enumerated were illiterate so that the enumerator was put in something of an
"Ellis Island" scenario....having to figure out and record the spelling as he
"heard" it.

Some of the spellings are correctly reported variants on spellings of the
name. However, in the case of the name Poythress the "variants" most often
seem to result from a) the enumerators bad penmanship and b) the fact that its
a tough name to begin with and was likely to have been a challenge for an
enumerator to spell, especially if the enumeratee couldn't spell it for him.

Specifically for Poythress.....look for Paythress, Porthress, Portress...all
of the usual suspects. Most of us are accustomed to doing this boring routine
anyway.

3) saving the best for last: the LATER placing of page numbers on the actual
microfilm copies played havoc with the originally indexed page numbers in the
ALS index. In these MANY instances the ALS page number can often function only
as a clue. But the clue is almost always there.....even if only "seen" after
the fact.

Each microfilmed "page" or frame can have one, two, or sometimes even three
page numbers....generally ONE of these will correspond with the ALS page
number but not 100% of the time. Or the pencilled page number may be a
mathematical function of the ALS page number.

A common problem arises because the original census volumes or "books" most
often (but not always) had a pre-printed number that applied to BOTH open
pages of the book. The entire two-page entry would not fit on a single
microfilm "frame" legibly so the pages were filmed "by the each" and
renumbered in pencil. This means that the number shown on the ALS index page
often needs to be DOUBLED to find the page number one is looking for.

In other cases, someone may have attempted to renumber the microfilm pages yet
a second time resulting in THREE numbers appearing on the page with the
preprinted number and TWO numbers appearing on the opposing page which didn't
have the original preprinted number. Occasionally, the pages in the microfilm
may not be in perfect sequence which can be maddening. Also, there will
seldom be a page missing but its not unknown for a page NUMBER to be
missing....not as bad as it sounds because if you can't find the page numbered
609 it is likely to be the no-number page between 608 and 610.

In the instances of page discrepancies I can only say that I never found a
single one
without a "pattern" or some "numerical" relationship to the original ALS page
number. It is simply a matter of going through the pages sequentially (which
one is doing anyway) but at the same time keeping mental track of two or more
numbering sequences, one of which will almost always agree with (or be a
function of) the page referenced in the ALS index.

I hope this will be helpful to some of us.

Best,

Maynard Poythress		06/10/1998 5:14:29
FWD: John Rolfe & Pocahontas; Rolfe help?Charles NealSorry I have absolutely no info on the Rolfe line. Maybe someone else will
have. Good luck in your search.

Barbara Poythress Neal

06/10/1998 7:16:54
Re: POYTHRESSES ON THE LOOSECongratulations, Maynard. Sarah Poythress will be particularly happy to
see your transcription of her John L. Poythress in 1860.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Lt. William PoythressText of microfilmed document requesting appointment of William Poythress to
Lieut of First Artillery Regiment:

"Commissions wanted for the Officers in Col. Charles Harrison's Regiment of
Artillery:

Captian Drury Ragsdale.....etc.

Wm. Poythress, 1st Lieut. Nov. 21st, 1777, promoted by the resignation of
Lieut.
Dudley"

Source: Papers of the Continental Congress, M247,r93,i78,v5,p167.

It may be reasonably speculated that this is our Lt. Wm. Poythress of the line
drawing.

Maynard		06/11/1998 11:07:15
Yalobusha CountyBarb Neal:

In case you want to pursue that place, note in current issue of NGS Newsletter
the acquisition of "History of Yaobusha County", by R. W. Brewer,
F347.Y15.Y335.

Maynard		06/12/1998 10:14:45
Yalobusha CountyCharles NealThanks, Maynard.
Barbara

06/13/1998 4:41:08
Re: Archives & AbsencesAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Yes, it is more than past time for me to get back to work on the website and
indulge myself by getting back to this little Poythress passion of mine. Bud's
little poem isn't too far off base, I'm not even sure what should come first on
the web pages. I know there are tons of things that could/should get posted.
But where to start :-)? I recall errors and omissions called to my attention
and I know things have been sent my way. So, perhaps y'all will forgive me if I
ask for some help in getting a list of priorities established. No need to
resend things, if you can provide me with a date or subject line to use.

I'm off to Virginia for a very quick visit later this month. I don't know that
I'll have any real time for the LVA or the College of William and Mary library,
but I do hope to get some photographs and spend a little time at Williamsburg,
Jamestown and make the pilgrimage to Petersburg, the old Blandford cemetery and
Flowerdew Hundred. All of this in a day and a half. Humm...

Having been away from the web page for a bit, it seems to me that it isn't as
easy to locate the really good stuff as it should be. Perhaps I should use a
different method for organizing things. I'll think on it and would welcome some
constructive criticism :-).

Thanks for being patient with me. FYI, my absence resulted in more than $11
million new dollars for my department and lots of new opportunities for our
students. I'm thrilled, but it took a real toll on my personal life. I'm just
now starting to feel like I can have a normal life (whatever that is) once
again. Thanks for your patience. I'm ready to start having fun again!

Best,
Al Tims		06/14/1998 2:37:23
Re: Excused absence!Al,
Welcome back to the fun zone! We've missed you and want you to know you're
more valuble than 11 million to us. 🙂
BPW		06/14/1998 5:59:12
Archives & AbsencesCharles Neal6-14-98

Great to hear from you, Al. Hoping to soon begin seeing, perhaps once
every week or two, some notice from you that you have had time to add one
of our research additions to the Poythress website.

By the way, folks, I know Judy is offline for a week or so, and wanted to
let you know that because of a vacation, I will not have as much time as
usual during the next 2 wks for Poythress List messages, and then for 2
wks after that, I will be travelling & offline entirely until the weekend
of July 10th.

Looking forward to seeing what progress folks can make while I am out of
commission.

Barbara (BPN)		06/14/1998 12:00:53
ArchivesAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

Just a reminder that all of the messages posted to the list are nicely archived
and can be searched for key words and phrases in the full text of the message
and based on dates, subject line and the person posting the message. You might
want to add the following url to your bookmarks. We moved the old Maiser
archives to the RootsWeb server when Maiser closed. This means every message
ever posted can be identified. There are several thousand messages, many of
them rich with information.

The url is:
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/listutil.htm

Best,
Al Tims
Absent of Late Poythress List Manager 🙂

06/14/1998 12:21:47
Re: Archives & AbsencesCharles Neal6-14-98

Al,

Great to hear from you again. I guess I would consider the most critical
things that I have sent you to go on the website to be:

1) 4-27-98 message entitled "Correction" which has a correction of Census
info already posted.

2) the more recent info from early-mid May posted in messages by several
of us (so it would all be in text files, which I know are easier for you to
prepare for the site than MSWord files are!!) including me & Bruce Porter
(Portermom1) on the 1850 & 1860 Census, which was then added to even more
recently (last week?) by Maynard, though his part had funky spacing due to
use of tabs. Sorry I don't have all the dates & captions, but mine were
clearly listed in the subject line as Census for various places & dates, so
they shouldn't be too hard to find.

Later, when you have time to hang up the info from Maynard about the wills
of Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup Co, GA, you also have the Bible records
from their son, Francis, which I sent you via snailmail. On 3-4-98 I sent
you a message entitled "Publishing Permission" relaying to you that I had
indeed received permission from Univ of GA's Hargrett Library for us to put
the Francis Poythress Bible record up on our website.

Later, when you have time to put it up there, I also consider important
(though I recognize that there is probably no one else chomping at the bit
to see it, and I have been told just the other day that Library of VA has
it online now) isThe Poythress-Preston Bible Info, about which I sent you a
message on 1-28-98, and I know that sometime around then Carol Morrison,
bless her, sent you the graphics file(s) for each of the pages of that
record.

There is probably more, but my mind is full of my maternal (i.e.
non-Poythress) ancestors now, and I'm about braindead because it is after
midnight, too.

Again, glad to hear from you!!
Barbara (BPN)		06/15/1998 1:09:57
Re: Verrry InterstingRowe-UhligAm forwarding this response to a post to the BURK list regarding this
same information. Myrna
--
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The Upper Left Edge: http://www.upperleftedge.com/
06/15/1998 3:16:58
Re: POYTHRESS from slave owners scheduleIn a message dated 6/15/98 7:27:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
starr81@ix.netcom.com writes:

> Subj: POYTHRESS from slave owners schedule
> Date: 6/15/98 7:27:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: starr81@ix.netcom.com (Starr)
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> I'm just now going through the latest issue of GA Genealogical Magazine,
> vol 37, No 2 & 3 (144-145) Spring/Summer 1997. [They are late; I'm late in
> reading it, but NOT THAT late getting to it.]
>
> "Some GA Slave Owners in 1850" contributed by Robert Scott Davis Jr. He
> took this from the Nat'l Archives Microcopy T655, roll 7, the 1850 census
> of persons dying between 1 JUN 1850 "Supplementary List" of owners of
> deceased slaves which isn't indexed by owners' names.
>
> F. POYTHRESS is found page 673 (no county given)

Linda....no way in the world that could be anyone but Francis Poythress, son
of
Joseph and Mary Poythress of Troup County. Al has the Joseph & Mary event
line to post and when you see it, I think the question will come clear as a
bell.

Thanks,

Maynard		06/15/1998 4:14:54
Broderbund Software/Family Tree MakerBelow is announcement from this AM. It is just as information and I wouldn't
make a big deal out of it. Family Tree Maker is too good a program for
somebody not to buy Broderbund just to get it.

>
• Broderbund (BROD:Nasdaq) warned that it won't meet third-quarter
expectations -- and put itself on the block. The company said that it would
lose between 12 and 15 cents per share in its third quarter -- well below
First Call consensus estimates for it to earn a penny per share -- and said it
retained Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette to explore options.		06/15/1998 4:38:58
POYTHRESS from slave owners scheduleStarrI'm just now going through the latest issue of GA Genealogical Magazine,
vol 37, No 2 & 3 (144-145) Spring/Summer 1997. [They are late; I'm late in
reading it, but NOT THAT late getting to it.]

"Some GA Slave Owners in 1850" contributed by Robert Scott Davis Jr. He
took this from the Nat'l Archives Microcopy T655, roll 7, the 1850 census
of persons dying between 1 JUN 1850 "Supplementary List" of owners of
deceased slaves which isn't indexed by owners' names.

F. POYTHRESS is found page 673 (no county given)

Under "Some GA Slaves Owners in 1860" from Nat'l Archives microcopy T655,
roll 8, Davis shows:

Geo POYTHRISS page 42 [again, no county given]

Linda Sparks Starr
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
starr81@ix.netcom.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7592/stargrp.html		06/15/1998 5:25:41
Verrry InterestingOff the GA-Rootsweb wire this morning:

> The following is from a Minnesota Genealogical Newsletter. "In the
> lower
> > > left corner of most old deeds you will find two to four witnesses. The
> > > first one is always from the husband's side, the next two from the
> > > wife's side. That is to protect her one-half dower rights under the
> law.
> > > Nothing you will ever use will give greater clues to maiden names".

06/15/1998 9:24:16
Re: Verrry InterestingCraig,yep, I have looked at a lot of deeds and a lot of witness
signatures.....without ever making this correlation one way or the other...i.
e., looking for similarities to husband's family in first slot and to wife's
family in second and/or third slots.

It just never occurred to me....I look for husband's surname and potential
wife's maiden name no matter where they are on the deed, witnessing or
otherwise.

Glad I got a rise out of you.....that's why I just hung it up there...figuring
someone would say "I'll be damned, I just went through 1,000 wills and its sno
nuff true"...or,
as the case turned out, "this is hogwarsh".

That's why we list you at $250M/year on the payroll to monitor our list.
You're worth every penny. Now if we could just find our corporate
treasurer....

🙂
Maynard		06/15/1998 12:50:06
VA Census UpdateCharles NealThanks, Al, for hanging the 1850 info up there. I think there MAY be
additional VA info from 1850 in those look-ups that Maynard did in the
last week or so for all of us at the Clayton Library in Houston, but since
I didn't have time to go thru it all & compare carefully, maybe you did
indeed incorporate any that he had. I'll leave any possible additions he
may have, to him to clarify for you.

Thanks again so much.
BPN		06/16/1998 9:02:08
VA Census UpdateAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

We have updated the Poythress web site with the 1850 VA Census survey work done
by Barbara Poythress Neal. In addition, we have corrected an earlier census
entry on this page. The VA census page now has 1820, 1830, 1840, 1850 and an
account of the 1850 slave census as part of the 1850 entries.

I'd appreciate those of you familiar with the postings on the VA census to
verify that I haven't missed anything. I know we have census information for NC
and GA just waiting to get posted. I'll turn to that next.

The specific web page can be found at:
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/vacensus.html

This is a great and wonderful resource -- if we could only get all these 19th
century folks connected to their parents :-).

Best,
Al Tims		06/16/1998 12:35:10
Thomas Poythress WAGNONBarbara PrestridgeHi,

I'm new to the list. Does anyone have info on a Thomas Poythress
WAGNON, b abt 1790/1794 in GA? His father was Thomas WAGNON and his
mother was Frances VAUGHN. I know of the POYTHRESS connection with
Pocahontas and that the VAUGHN's were in the Pocahontas line somehow.
Maybe Thomas had a gmother who was a POYTHRESS?

--
Barbara Prestridge
Prestridge Web Design
http://www.prestridge.com/		06/20/1998 7:46:05
Re: GeorgeOh Barbara.....am I glad that you are in an (undeservedly) apologetic
mood......for I have been so consumed by this dumb election that I just
haven't been able to work up my "event line" on George and I was on a deserved
guilt trip about it. I promise I'll be there with it soon.

Something struck me just yesterday as I was looking at my "George" project and
all that Martha Dixon had contributed to it. I remembered that when I
originally started corresponding with Martha I took some of her letters (with
her permission) and transcribed them to the listserver group because that was
the only way I could get Martha's important information to the list without
snail-mailing everybody a photocopy.

And those can be found right now in the "Archives" section of our Rootsweb
page site. Try: rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/POYTHRESS-L/ and let me know
if that one comes up "blank" on you. You might also be able to get to it
straight off the
Poythress web page.

Best,

Maynard

06/20/1998 9:48:44
Re: GeorgeBy the way, David and Elizabeth mentioned that they were pleased to meet you a
week or so ago in Augusta or someplace. How did that happen? Anyway, I'm
glad you all got to meet.

Maynard

06/20/1998 9:50:30
Beersheba PoythressBarb Neal, I went thru everything I might have and drew a complete blank on
this lady. I know I have seen her somewhere....who could forget a first name
that unusual? Anyone else have anything on here?

(I didn't pay close attention to BPN's schedule, she may be gone now for that
two week trip so if we don't get an answer from her, it will be along in a few
weeks).

Thanks,

Maynard

06/20/1998 12:31:06
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V98 #95In a message dated 98-05-25 11:39:10 EDT, you write:

> http://www.poythress.org
All it says is "coming soon"?		06/21/1998 3:41:04
Re: Thomas Poythress WAGNONBarbara PrestridgeMaynard,

Yes, I believe Paul gave me this name; I couldn't remember which Wagnon researcher
it was. Anyway, I ran across POYTHRESS when researching my RANDOLPH and KEITH
lines in VA, but that is another story and it made me think of Thomas P. WAGNON.

I appreciate all the info you and Paul have gathered. You have been busy. We'll
see where we can go with it. I got no file found when I clicked on your home page
url.

Thanks again,
Barbara

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Barbara....I'm Maynard Poythress and I'm just beginning to get into that
> Thomas Poythress Wagnon puzzle. My accomplice in crime is Paul Wagnon (e-mail
> address above as I am copying Paul).
>
> This is going to take the Poythress web by surprise as Paul and I for a few
> days have been messing around with this on the side trying to at least make
> enough sense out of it to ask intelligent questions and I have kept this one
> under wraps until I could present something remotely coherent to our group.
>
> Obviously, Paul Wagnon is going to be a much better source for you than the
> Poythress crowd but here is where we come in: John Peter Wagnon (b. ca 1758)
> appears in Burke County, Ga. living with John Peter Wagnon Jr. m. Mary Moseley
> Sanders and they had a son b. 1823 which they named Thomas Poythress Wagon.
>
> At first blush one would not expect to find a name this unusual and (for most
> folks difficult to pronounce) being used as a middle name. However, for some
> reason, the
> family is strewn with guys with Poythress as a middle name.
>
> Appearing in Walton County on the 1820 census is another Thomas P. Walton, age
> 45, making him not the same Thomas as above b. 1823.
>
> Appearing in Greene County is yet another Thomas P. (Poythress?) Wagnon who
> m. 1818 Harriet Houghton in Greene County. They have a son named John
> Poythress Wagnon.
>
> Middle names tend to make me look two places: for a namesake who is a big
> hitter in town or a mother's family name.
>
> There were two Thomas Poythresses that we know of in Burke/Screven Counties.
> The first was sheriff of Burke County and died about 1800. The second was
> Thomas Poythress, Jr. and we only know that he existed. Its likely but not
> proven that he was the son of Thomas, Sr. I would question if the sheriff was
> that big a "name" and especially 23 years after his death.
>
> That leaves the family connection....of which we have no Georgia evidence, at
> least yet. Pertinent is a 1746 Prince George County, Va. land grant of 576
> acres adjacent
> Bolling and in part being land "formerly granted to William Poythress". MY
> guess is that is where we are most likely to ultimately find the connection.
>
> Another difficulty in those Georgia Wagnons is that common given names were
> Peter and Paul. I have found several other Somebody P. Wagon....but I'm not
> comfortable assuming that the "P" is Poythress in most, or even "any" cases.
>
> Barbara, I have not done justice to all that Paul knows and would certainly
> welcome him jumping in on the Poythress web with his observations and
> conclusions (or at least copying the P. page). The Poythress page is:
> http://www1.minn.net/atims/ ...
> and yes, that is a "one" behind the "www".
>
> I hope we will be able to help each other.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard		06/22/1998 3:01:20
Re: Thomas Poythress WAGNONBarbara....I'm Maynard Poythress and I'm just beginning to get into that
Thomas Poythress Wagnon puzzle. My accomplice in crime is Paul Wagnon (e-mail
address above as I am copying Paul).

This is going to take the Poythress web by surprise as Paul and I for a few
days have been messing around with this on the side trying to at least make
enough sense out of it to ask intelligent questions and I have kept this one
under wraps until I could present something remotely coherent to our group.

Obviously, Paul Wagnon is going to be a much better source for you than the
Poythress crowd but here is where we come in: John Peter Wagnon (b. ca 1758)
appears in Burke County, Ga. living with John Peter Wagnon Jr. m. Mary Moseley
Sanders and they had a son b. 1823 which they named Thomas Poythress Wagon.

At first blush one would not expect to find a name this unusual and (for most
folks difficult to pronounce) being used as a middle name. However, for some
reason, the
family is strewn with guys with Poythress as a middle name.

Appearing in Walton County on the 1820 census is another Thomas P. Walton, age
45, making him not the same Thomas as above b. 1823.

Appearing in Greene County is yet another Thomas P. (Poythress?) Wagnon who
m. 1818 Harriet Houghton in Greene County. They have a son named John
Poythress Wagnon.

Middle names tend to make me look two places: for a namesake who is a big
hitter in town or a mother's family name.

There were two Thomas Poythresses that we know of in Burke/Screven Counties.
The first was sheriff of Burke County and died about 1800. The second was
Thomas Poythress, Jr. and we only know that he existed. Its likely but not
proven that he was the son of Thomas, Sr. I would question if the sheriff was
that big a "name" and especially 23 years after his death.

That leaves the family connection....of which we have no Georgia evidence, at
least yet. Pertinent is a 1746 Prince George County, Va. land grant of 576
acres adjacent
Bolling and in part being land "formerly granted to William Poythress". MY
guess is that is where we are most likely to ultimately find the connection.

Another difficulty in those Georgia Wagnons is that common given names were
Peter and Paul. I have found several other Somebody P. Wagon....but I'm not
comfortable assuming that the "P" is Poythress in most, or even "any" cases.

Barbara, I have not done justice to all that Paul knows and would certainly
welcome him jumping in on the Poythress web with his observations and
conclusions (or at least copying the P. page). The Poythress page is:
http://www1.minn.net/atims/ ...
and yes, that is a "one" behind the "www".

I hope we will be able to help each other.

Best,

Maynard		06/22/1998 10:48:33
Estate of William PoythressThis William Poythress died in Savannah in 1828. The estate papers are on
microfilm in the Georgia Dept. of Archives (GDAH 175/31). Both the original
documents and the microfilm are in places extremely difficult to decipher. I
photocopied the microfilm along with transcribing my dictation to cassette
tape and then typing a hard copy. I also prepared an introductory page of
comments.

I have mailed the whole packet to Barbara Neal who is to do a parallel
transcription to help work out some of the many errors and/or omissions that
are bound to be in my original transcription. It is in Word document form
and when Barbara gives me her corrections I will then make the changes and
submit the study to Al Tims to post to the page in a form that will be easily
readable.

Since Barb Neal will be out of town for several weeks, I thought I'd post this
original transcription to the list. Even though it will parse out funky
because its a Word document, it will give any of you who wish to do so a
chance to look at the general picture and make any additions or corrections of
the data that you may have on this William Poythress if or as he shows up in
your records.

If there are no corrections, my guess is it will not take Barbara too long
following her return to do the parallel transcription and we'll have these
papers ready to post to the webpage.

Maynard

POYTHRESS, William (Savannah, Georgia)
Estate of, 1828

Following are the estate records of one William Poythress who died in Savannah
25 April 1828 (Register of Deaths in Savannah, vol. 1). Age at death was 28
and
cause stated was "liver complaint". Occupation was planter but residence
listed was corner W. Broad and S. Oglethorpe, in the middle of downtown.
Since he was a "planter" then his land was outside of town. Attending
physician: Dr. Bartow.

This William is another mystery guest for us. Given his age at the time of
death he
cannot have been Lt. William the Revolutionary War veteran. Neither can he be
the
William Poythress of Screven County, both because he is too young and because
the Georgia 1820 census shows Williams in both Chatham County (Savannah) and
Screven County. He could be a son of Screven's William but that is a shot in
the
dark inasmuch as we know little or nothing about the William Poythress of
Screven
in the first place.

The estate papers are lengthy and much more a matter of interest than
information.
These papers comprise almost the total of what we know about this family.
William's wife Sarah appears as the only heir and is shown petitioning the
court to let her sell items from the estate. This action, the security
deposits by friends and the failure of Sarah Poythress and the examiners to
produce "any last Will..(to)..be proved" to the court suggest strongly that
William Poythress died intestate.

Sarah Poythress appears much later in the 1832 Georgia Land Lottery (Ga. 1st
Military District) as a "fortunate drawer". Sarah M. Poythress was awarded 40
acres of what was presumably "gold" land in Cobb County, Section 2, District
16, Lot # 471. She had qualified to draw as a widow. Unfortunately, Sarah
never "took up" (paid the $40 deed fee) the land and it was eventually
auctioned 10 July 1845 to land speculator J. L. Albritton (GDAH 286/48),
effectively ending any potential for tracing Sarah via this transaction.
Letting ownership rights lapse was not untypical for those winning 40 acres of
"gold land".

Given the death of William Poythress in 1828 at age 28, it is reasonable to
assume that wife Sarah was likely in child-bearing years for perhaps the
entire decade prior to William's death. The Savannah Register of Deaths
provides a candidate but this would only be reasonable speculation. On 8
April, 1819, Sarah Poythress of 9 months died of "inflamation of the bowel".
A second child connection, William Poythress, dying at age 6 in the November
of this William's death can probably be eliminated as wife Sarah is repeatedly
cited as the childless heir to William's estate earlier the same year.

We are thus missing the link to William's birth and parentage. It is probable
to assume that Sarah died prior to the 1840 census as she is not listed.
Since she is petitioning the court in 1828 to sell assets from William's
estate she was likely not left well fixed financially but she might easily
have still been of marriagable age. Thus there likely is no down-stream
"Poythress" link. The censuses for Savannah are typically reliable, the
information is not always 100% correct but individuals were seldom missed.

The pages below describe each document in the estate file in sequence.

File folder, center tab: Poythress, William
Estate of, 1828

Folio: center of 3 fold 8 œ x 11:

Est. Wm. Poythress
application

[document dated 16 May 1828]
To Saml. M. Bond Clerk of the
Court of Ordinary Chatham County
Sir
I apply for letters
of Administration on the estate and effects
of William Poythress late of Savannah
deceased as widow of the deceased and
in behalf of the ?

Property of
Securities Jessie Sanderlin & Henry Morningstar.
Savannah 16 May 1828 Sarah Poythress (s)

Let citation issue accordingly
16 May 1828 - -
Elias Fort I.I.C.C.C. (s)

[document dated May, 1828]
State of Georgia
CHATHAM COUNTY To all whom it may concern:

Whereas, Sarah Poythress -
of Savannah widow has
applied to the Honorable the Court of Ordinary
of Chatham County for Letters of Administration -
-----------------------on the estate and effects of

William Poythress late of Savannah
deceased as widow and in behalf
of the heirs.
THESE are therefore to cite and admonish all and singular the kindred and
creditors of the said deceased, to file their objections (if any they have) to
the
granting of the administration of the estate of the deceased to the applicant
in the
Clerk's Office of the said Court, on or before
day of
June next; otherwise letters of administration
will be granted.

WITNESS the Honorable Elias Fort -------------------------------------one of
the Justices of the said Court, the
day of
May A. D. one thousand eight hundred and twenty- eight

Saml. M. Bond, C.C.O.

[document dated 5 Jul 1828]
I certify that the written citation has been published for 30 days in the
Savannah
Republican Gazette....for the Republican.
E. ____ _____ [illegible]

[document dated 5 Aug 1828]
State of Georgia,)
CHATHAM COUNTY )
By the Honorable Court of Ordinary of Chatham County.

To James Roberts Silas Hollis
+ George L. Cope
These are to authorize you, or any three of you, to re-
pair to all such parts and places, within the County and State aforesaid, as
you
shall be directed unto, by Sarah Poythress administratrix
of the Estate---------------------------- of William
Poythress
late of said county deceased, wherever any of the Goods
and Chattels of the said William Poythress
are or do remain,
within the said parts or places and
the Goods and Chattels, which shall be there shown to you by Sarah
Poythress Administratrix as afore
said.
you shall view and appraise according to their just value; being first shown
to
make a true and pefect inventory and Apprisement of the said Goods and Chat-
tels. And you shall cause the same Inventory and Appraisement to be returned
to
the said the court of ordinary
under your hands, or under the hands of any three of you, on or before the
fifth
------------------ day of November next ensuing the date bound (?).
.

Witness the Honorable Elias Fort
one of the Justices of the said Court, this fifth
day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and twenty- eight

YOU James Roberts, Silas Hollis + George L. Cope
do swear that you will make a true Appraisement and Inventory of all and
singular the
Goods, Chattels and Credits of William Poythress
deceased, as shall be produced and shewn to you by Sarah Poythress
administratrix
of the said William Poythress
deceased; and that you will return the same, certified under your hands, to
the said the
Court of Ordinary----------------------------within the time prescribed by
law.
SWORN BEFORE ME
Jame
s Roberts (s)
Silas Hollis (s)
George L. Cope (s)

Folio, center of 3 fold 8 œ x 11:

N 80

Estate Wm. Poythress
Bond filed day
5 August 1828
sig: Wm (?)
Depy. Clk. I.I.C.

[document dated 5 Aug 1828]
State of Georgia ) [preprinted form, handwriting shown in italics]
CHATHAM COUNTY )
Know all men by these Presents, That we
Sarah Poythress Jesse Sanderlin and Henry Morningstar

are held and firmly bound and obliged unto the Honorable the Justices of the
Infe-
rior Court of Chatham County, for the time being, acting as a Court of
Ordinary
in the sum of Two Thousand dollars
Dollars to be paid to the said Justices, their Successors in Office or
Assigns: for
which payment well and truly made and done we bind ourselves, jointly, and
severally, and each of our heirs, executors, and administrators, firmly by
these pre-
sents. Sealed with our Seals, and dated at Savannah. the Fifth----
day of August in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and

Twenty Eight

The condition of the above Obligation is such, That if the above bound
Sarah Poythress

Administrat rix________________of the Goods, Chattels and Credits of

William Poythress late of said County

Deceased, do make a true and perfect Inventory of all and singular the Goods,
Chattels and Credits, of the said Deceased which have or shall come to the
hands
possession, or knowledge, of the said Sarah Poythress

or into the hands or possession of any other person or persons for her
and the same so made do exhibit into the said Court of Ordinary, when she
shall be thereunto required, and such goods, chattels and credits, do well and
truly
administer according to Law, and make a just and true account of her actings
and doings therein when required by the Superior Court, or Register of
Probates
for the County; and all the rest of the goods, chattels and credits, which
shall be
found remaining upon the account of the said administration, the same being
first
allowed by the said Court, shall deliver and pay to such persons respectively
as are
entitled to the same by Law; and if it shall hereafter appear that any last
Will and
Testament was made by the said deceased, and the same be proved before the
Court, and the Executors obtain a Certificate of the Probate thereof and the
said
Sarah Poythress _?_ if required, render and deliver up the said Letters of
Administra
tion, then this Obligation to be void, else to remain in full force.
SEALED AND DELIVERED IN PRESENCE OF

Sarah Poythress
William ? Jessie Sanderlin
Notary Public ChatCy

Henry Morningstar

Folio, three fold of 8 œ x 11

Est Wm Poythress
Warrant of Appraisement

[document dated 18 Aug 1828]
We do certify under Oath, that as far as was
presented to us by the administratrix the within
contains a true appraisement of the Goods, Chattel
and Credits of the Estate of William Poythress
deceased, to the best of our Judgement and
understanding.
Jas. Roberts (s)
Silas Hollis (s)
Geo. L. Cope (s)

Georgia )
Ch. County) I do hereby certify that the
above appraisers were Sworn to perform
their duty as appraisers according to law. This
Eighteenth day of August - 1828
Ben Sheftall J. P.

Inventory and appraisement of the Estate
of William Poythress deceased - - -

1 negro man named Tom 300.00
1 negro boy named Patrick 325.00
4 Molly and 3 children 550.00
1 negress named Mary 150.00
1 sorrell horse 25.00
1 Gig and harness 35.00......

[items above barely legible and are the "items" of value, the remainder of the
inventory
(19 additional items) appears to be personal items; the listing is also
illegible due to poor
quality of the microfilm. Of the remaining 19 items two are valued at $ 20
and the remaining items at less than $ 5 each. Sample items: 1 lot of silver
spoons, 1 pair of
candlesticks, etc.]

Total value assigned by appraisers $ 1470.25

Folio: center of 3 fold 8 œ x 11:
Est. of Wm. Poythress
Petition and
Order for sale of
Horse, Gig, and Waggon
Petition 10th August 1828
Wm Hind
Dpty Clerk toCC

[document dated 19 Aug 1828, granted same day]
Georgia
To the Honorable the Justices of the
Inferior Court for the County of Chat
ham having Ordinary Jurisdiction
the Petition of Sarah Poythress Administratrix
of William Poythress late of said County dis
ceased
Sheweth.
That your petitioner hath taken
possession of the Estate of said deceased that
among the effects of said Estate your pe
titioner has caused to be inventoried and ap-
praised One Horse and Gig and Waggon with
articles of Household furniture and bedding -
that the same is of little value and are daily
encurring (sic) and (sic) expense where they are your
petitioner being compelled to employ a person to
take care of this horse petitioner therefore prays
your Honors to grant an Order authorizing
the petitioner to advertise and sell the said
articles above mentioned - And your petitioner,
her duty bounded.
Sarah Poythress, Adminis.
by Henry Morningstar
Sav. 19 Augt 1828

Chambers 19th August 1828
On reading the Petition of Sarah Poythress admin
istratrix of William Poythress deceased praying
an Order to sell a Horse Gig and Waggon
sundry Articles of Bedding and Household Furniture
and stating that the same is for the Benefit of the
Estate It is ordered that the said Sarah Poythress
do sell and dispose of the said articles
mentioned about her giving ten days
notice of the time and place of said sale ,
in one of the Gazettes of the City of Savannah.
Elias Fort I.I.C.C.C.
___Sheftall L.L. C.C.C.
19 August 1828 __________ I. I. C. C. C

Folio: center of 3 fold 8 œ x 11:

Estate Wm Poythress
Petition of Sarah Poythress, w.
To sell two Negroes
Filed June, 1829

[document dated 22 Jun 1829]
Georgia
To the honourable the Justices of
the Inferior Court of Chatham County
sitting for ordinary purposes.
The petition of Sarah Poythress ad
ministratrix of William Poythress late of
Savannah deceased respectfully showeth
That your petitioner is in possession
of the following named negro slaves, viz
Tom, & Patrick, men, and Mary a woman
belonging to the said Estate that - the hire
of the said slaves for one year together with
the other personal property of the Estate
will not pay the debts due by the same -
that there are no children or other heirs to
said estate, for cepting your petitioner on
whom notice of this application can be
served. Your petitioner therefore prays
that by an order of court she may be
allowed to sell and dispose of the said
three negroes, Tom, Patrick + Mary in terms
of the act of Assembly in such cases made
and provided and your petitioner will pray
_______.
Sarah Poythress (s)

Sav. 22 June 1829

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Fw: Lost messagesSarah Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 9:44 PM
Subject: Lost messages

Hi!

I have returned from my trip to Alaska. We had a great time.
I had 29 messages when I returned, but could not bring them in. I don't
understand how I could see who they were from, but it would not download the
message. Everything was all messed up. My son was on it while I was gone.
Next time I will lock it up. If someone out there has all the messages
starting with June 13 up to Carl & Helen's card, and would forward them to
me I would be most grateful.

Sarah Poythress		06/26/1998 8:23:20
RE:So Quiet!!!Hey Guys,

Am I still on the list, no mail since 6-26. Did everyone go on vaction???

BGP (Portermom1)		07/03/1998 8:13:20
Re: So Quiet!!!Hey BGP,

I was wondering the same thing. I went on a short vacation with Hubby &
children but have not received anything on the Poythress since 6-25-98. Is
anyone out there besides Portermom and me.

Cindy		07/03/1998 9:02:47
Re: So Quiet!!!BGP/Cindy,

Yep, I believe we're all still above ground yet, but nothing seems to be
stiring right now. Maybe it is the JULY HEAT and lack of rain - at least in
my part of the country (Southeastern - NC).

So just hang in there and someone will begin to move shortly. Bound too!

Just keep the faith,

Bud

07/03/1998 10:40:05
Robert Ragan's "Treasure Maps"For any of my fellow rookies at this computer genealogy thing...I'll give you
my very best tout......and the price is right: free.

A guy in Jacksonville, Robert Ragan, publishes an e-zine every couple of
months and if you sign on to his list it shows up in your e-mail box. It is
free....but he is very pleased to get modest voluntary contributions for his
expenses. Every once in a while he puts in a plug for a book he is selling
called the "Internet Guerrilla" or something like that. It claims to help you
rachet your internet genealogy effort several notches. It probably does.
Everything else Ragan does seems to do that.
I just haven't brought myself to part with the 60 or so bucks he wants for the
thing.

You can go to his site and sign on:  http://www.firstct.com/fv/tmapmenu.html
...for the free newsletter.

The current issue, which I just received yesterday, is directed to more
effective use of the computer in genealogy. Its going to put guys like Lyn
and Al to sleep but my guess is most of the rest of us will get something
helpful out of it.

Maynard		07/04/1998 9:07:39
Re: The Library of VirginiaMaynard, thanks for reporting the new LVA sites - BPW maps
(http://198.17.62.51/BPW/) and War of 1812 rolls
(http://eagle.vsla.edu/war1812). I had not been aware of either
previously and both are interesting.

In case no one else has reported for us, here are the Poythress entries
found at the 1812 site:
-Wiley Poythress; Pay Roll p191
-Willie Poythress, Muster Roll p408
-Willy Poythriss, Muster Roll p154
I found no other Poythress, Poytress, Portress, Potress, or Portis. Next
questions: Where can I go in the digital collection to see images or
transcriptions of these pay roll and muster roll images? And would the
rolls have more information than only name?

The Dinwiddie Co. map, though perhaps incomplete, is somewhat interesting
to peruse. I had hoped to see some reference to Butterwood Swamp, but
found none. I did, however, notice a Bollings Mill and a Dr. Hardaway,
familiar surnames allied to our own. I was sad to find no Brunswick or
Mecklenburg County maps. However, I was intrigued to find the following
text on subpage "Original
Wood-Boye maps in other repositories include those for the counties of
Alleghany, Botetourt, Brunswick, Chesterfield, Culpeper, Fluvanna,
Frederick, Madison, and Sussex." Any idea what might be the "other
repository" that houses the Brunswick map?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Placing Delzie On the TreeThanks for this information, Bruce. Some may be interested to know that
this Delzie Poythress is the second-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress of
Mecklenburg Co., Va., as follows: Lewis P. > Thomas M. P. > James David
P. > William Thomas P. > Delzie P. It is rumored that Delzie carried off
the broken gravestone from his grandfather's grave. Perhaps one day I
may attempt to track down his descendants to retrieve the information.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:31:17 EDT Portermom1@aol.com writes:
>Hey Guys,
>
>
>For those of you who subscribe to Ancestry.com -- check out this site;
>
>www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3293.htm
>
>for those of you who don't, here are some of the names listed;
>
>Delzie Poythress age 66 d. 1-20-1970 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax
>Joe Poythress age 65 d. 8-8-1970 Duplin
>Mamie Poythress age 63 d. 2-1-1970 Vance
>Forest Poythress age 58 d. 2-6-1971 Louisburg, Franklin
>Martha Poythress age 67 d. 10-20-1971 Wilson
>Alva Poythress age 53 d 12-17-1971 New Bern, Craven
>Kelly Poythress age 26 d. 8-23-1972 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax
>Sarah Poythress age 69 d. 4-15-1972 Wilson
>Michael Poythress age 15 d. 6-3-1972 Charlotte, Mecklenburg
>Mylae Poythress age 86 d.7-13-1972 Henderson, Vance
>
>BGP / Portermom1
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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GSP (Global Satellite Positioning)Lyn, I guess I was guilty of thinking out loud on this one. I had no idea of
buying one of the contraptions. They may only be 50 bucks but I wouldn't use
one but half dozen times tops. I don't even know what they look like.

I keep reading Trimble Corp.'s propaganda: we're gonna put these things on
golf carts for fifty bucks each. They will take a read off the satellite and
take a read off some reflector built into the stick and tell you precisely how
many yards to the hole and what the elevation is from you to the hole, etc.
etc. Then Trimble starts talking about cheapo hand-held "guns" (I guess for
lack of a better name) that you take on your bluewater sailboat, you just
"shoot" the satellite and back comes your position precisely stated in degrees
and minutes.....accurate to plus or minus 3 feet or something incredible like
that.

I asked RootsWeb: gee, sounds like a great idea for "placing" cemeteries
"forever" as opposed to "1/2 mile off Jones Road". Jones Road may be gone in
another 50 years, the coordinates ain't going anywhere. And it strikes me
that it would be particularly valuable for small private cemeteries given the
additional "sociology" problems mentioned in original e-mail.

Lady said yep, sure is good idea....and it's already being done. Just go to:
http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www.gnis/gnisform.html, the implication being that
folks were doing it as a matter of course. I took a quick hop to the site and
it looked to me (and still looks to me) like you can get one of those 7.5' x
7.5' (minutes) topos from U. S. Gen. Survey, plot your coordinates off the
"section" map you have and submit that and they'll give you back the exact
degrees and minutes of the location. And if they can't some govmt. agency
certainly will. Or maybe we can figure out our own....its been a long time
since I've looked at a topo...in canoeing out in the boonies on rivers I was
quickly disappointed, the contour lines are 10' gradations and 6' can kill you
in a small boat so I lost interest. But I remember the "flat" coordinates
being on the sections which is all we need to do a correlation.

I didn't get too worked up about it due to my time sequence. I've got to talk
to my 2nd cousin in Screven County to see how (if) he's coming along with
getting the saplings, briars, etc. jerked out of the 25' x 25' cemetery, etc.
I'm hoping he's already got that part done but gee, those folks out in the
boonies act a little "different" (or so it appears to us, in all probability
we act strange to them). I just feel a little more comfortable dealing with
them when we can look each other in the eyeballs. Family reunion is 8/16 at
which time I'll see how serious the guy was about getting it cleared out.

Meanwhile I already have approx. prices on chain-linking the thing, etc. All
of which is to say my excuse for not working out something on coordinates is
that since I don't have that particuar topo and I'm a long way from needing it
I just haven't worried because on my pert chart its at least 6 months away.

Lyn, I realize you weren't asking for all this "who shot John" answer but my
idea was that it's likely (maybe hopeful is more like it) we are going to find
a few more of these private cemeteries and I just wanted to use this one to
maybe establish some kind of "model" for how we record them. All the other
stuff about how one does the inventory, etc. is spelled out clearly but nobody
that I know of is shooting precise coordinates. I just thought we ought to be
doing that if the technology is available.

But........now that my daughter has married one I have broken the code on you
tech-types! There is a new electronic whiz-banger out there. You are having
an absolute fit to cook up a rationalization to buy one of 'em. 🙂 ...just
can't live without it, etc........so do it......have it shipped to me and Bud
and I will try it out in the sandy swamps of S. Georgia. We won't even
invoice you for our usual "break-in" fee, right Bud? Ain't we swell guys?

Maynard		07/09/1998 5:27:08
GPS Wrap-UpMaynard, here's my attempt at summarizing our GPS exchange:
1) Determining and archiving the coordinates of Poythress sites provides
the best long-term opportunity to find them again.
2) Until our technical infrastructure collapses, the best way to capture
precise coordinates will be with a GPS toy.
3) Unless or until we listers begin using GPS toys, we can estimate using
USGS topological maps. This may be good enough to relocate a well-marked
cemetery or standing house ruins, but probably inadequate for a single
grave marked by only a fieldstone.
4) Given that we captured these coordinates, it remains to be determined
where to archive them.

Regarding this fourth point, I would be very interested to know the
thoughts of you and other listers. I do not think the USGS
will be interested in
our findings. You mentioned Rootsweb, but apparently they are not set up
at this time. GDAH was also mentioned, but I am not familiar with the
prospects for parking such information there. Of course there is Al's
website. While it is convenient and very useful, it is not really set up
to be "permanent". Just where and how does one park such information?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: GPS Wrap-UpCraig R. Scott>4) Given that we captured these coordinates, it remains to be determined
>where to archive them.

The best place to park this cemetery location information, in my humble
oppinion, is in well documented published genealogies about Poythresses.
Considering that we still refer to genealogies printed at the turn of the
century a hundred years seem pretty permanent to me. Of course, this from a
person that if he had a secret name it would be "Man who loves to make books".

Craig

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Re: GSP (Global Satellite Positioning)>>>

Subj: Re: GSP (Global Satellite Positioning)
Date: 7/10/98 7:22:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Wvandev
To: VKRatliff

What has this msg got to do with the Poythress genealogy information? I just
joined to find relatives, and haven't gotten any pertinent message yet!

Hi.....the "proposal", kind of offhand, resulted from our luck in locating a
Poythress cemetery in Screven County long buried under 6-8" of leaf mast and
overgrown in saplings and briars....and literally out in the woods.

Hearing of the GSP technology availability Lyn Poythress Baird (an engineer)
and I had this exchange that perhaps when we "report" a find like this (after
getting through cleaning it up, inventorying and fencing the place)....the
best way to "report" its location when we "file" the cemetery with RootsWeb,
GDAH, etc. would be to use simple coordinates.

Would serve several purposes:

1. its a "forever" identification for location, not dependant on directions
relative to
roads, houses, etc. which are not "forever".

2. it sort of soothes the landowner who is a little skeptical to begin
with....property owners sometimes get this notion that as soon as a cemetery
on their land gets "registered" with "directions", 250 people will show up the
next morning. Unless it was somebody very rich and famous, genealogists know
this isn't going to happen, property owners don't know it. Coordinates aren't
quite as blatant as detailed descriptions "in the now"...like go down Jones
Road 1/2 mile, etc. Bottom line: property owner assuaged. (we hope)

3. in fact, "coordinates" really might be something of a worthwhile
deterrant....how to use them, while no deep dark secret, takes a little work
and some "equipment" if you aren't already familiar with them, thereby for
sure discouraging the potential crowd of 250 folks. On the other hand, the
serious "seeker" has his directions. And the serious (vs. casual) individual
is more likely to handle it properly, asking landowner for permission, etc.
(at least we speculate that in theory)

To be sure, it's off the precise topic of genealogy but since the folks we are
now working with were virtually all in rural areas 1850 and back, private
cemeteries were more the norm than the exception.....so how do we with deal
with them when we find them? Thats what we were after. And if you have any
suggestions on the subject, by all means add them. I think this being new to
us we are sort of groping in the dark.

And hey, welcome to the group. Apologies that the place has been dead as a
doornail for couple months now. Our technical guru is off fighting some
legislature for a university budget. Our numero uno catalyst/agitator is off
in Czechoslovakia
(sp?) singing in a choir. I have been obsessed trying to help my brother win
public office. Others out of pocket "summer" related. Hope we can pick up
the pace for you soon.

By the way, please feel free to just address the board, introduce yourself,
and tell what your area of specific interest is....I'm sure you'll get at
least some action.

Regards (and welcome again),

Maynard Poythress		07/10/1998 5:22:27
Found a Poythren/Poythress?Helene PockrusHi AL Maynard, Barb and crew--miss all of you.

Tex is doing a Civil War Project for the National Park Service.
Entering 5.4 million entries. There are 420 persons doing this. He
just came across this and I said I'd send it on to you ,just in case.

J. D. Stanley
3rd Co I CSA
59 Virginia Infantry
(2nd Reg't of Infantry, Wise Legion
Private
AKA William F. Poythren

Might be useless but thought it was close enough. The duplication in
these records are ridiculous. However they cannot combine any of the
records. Part of the records are on the net now(the black troops) and
80 percent are finished. When finished, the records will be posted in
every CW site and will be on the net and the LDS FHC will have
copies. They are doing this as a joint venture with the US Park
Service.
Hope you are all ok.
Helene..Still looking for POCKRUS/PARCUS/PARHouse/Parkherous/etc!		07/10/1998 11:31:59
Recording CoordinatesLyn, I'm less worried about the coordinates "surviving" than I am the first
three problems which were technical in nature....I saw the GSP mechanics as
somewhat intimidating. I guess that's why my instinct was to find some govmt.
agency that would do it for us.

RootsWeb as well as the Georgia Archives (and I suspect every archive there
is) are just begging for this stuff. What they typically want is an
"inventory" of any private cemeteries as yet unrecorded and they have some
very precise instructions and a standardized format into which you record your
inventory and forward it to them. I anticipated following the standardized
format and when we get to the section on location we just plug in the
coordinates and, of course, give verbal directions as well should we choose to
do so.

I know the procedure at the Georgia Archives.....the "original" goes upstairs
to share
filing space with original documents that are "original" in the real sense.
To get there you must be escorted, you can only remove one document at a time
from the individual file folders, any copying is done for you by a
professional, the room is kept at 70 F, 50%RH, etc. etc.

In the meanwhile, the original has been microfilmed and not only one duplicate
stored offsite but other microfilm is shared with a number of other
southeastern archives on a routine basis. Also, once a document gets into an
archives it is subject to being photocopied multiple times and most often that
happens.

I've seen that standardized format before and I guess I just didn't save it.
I'm asking
the Georgia board if someone will give me the on-line address and I'll share
it with the board.

Maynard		07/10/1998 12:58:14
Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Charles Neal7-11-98

I have returned from the Czech Republic, but am still very fuzzy-headed
from jet-lag. Have just gone thru accumulated email & have no commentary
to contribute on any of the subjects you have covered while I was gone
except for Helene & Craig's info on JD Stanley & Wm Poythress:

>From looking at the copies of the cards of the compiled Confederate Service
Records, I see that there are 2 separate Compiled Conf Serv Records re
William F. Poythress. First regarding the one Craig noted:

William F. Poythress [spelled that way] of Company D, 28 Battalion Va
Infantry has one card as a Private on Company Muster Rolls for 28
Battalion, VA, Capt. Mosby's Co. C, for "Sept and Oct 1862" said roll dated
Nov 3, 1862. This card further shows (confirming that he is the same one
mentioned in Craig's message) that he was enlisted 20 May 1862 at Summit
Station, Caroline Co, VA, by Capt. Wm. T. Carrington, for "3 yrs or the
war" and that he was last paid by Capt. F. C. Heutter to Aug. 31.

While William F. Poythress was supposedly discharged January 1863 by order
of the Secretary of War since J.D. Stanley was provided as a substitute,
ACTUALLY one finds that the cards for JD Stanley and for the 2nd Wm. F.
provide some further interesting info, making it appear that perhaps Wm was
the substitute for JDS:

Under the Compiled Conf Service Record for J D Stanley, the first
individual card, for Jan & Feb 1863 Co. I, 59th Reg't VA Infantry company
muster roll, shows that J D Stanley was enlisted Jan 2 at Manchester by
Capt F. S. Mosby "for the war" and shows that "present or absent" was "not
stated" and under remarks: "Ordered to report as his substitute has been
discharged." Then on the 2nd card (same company) for the March & April
1863 roll, dated Apr. 30, 1863, it notes that JDS has "never rec'd pay" and
that JDS was "Absent from leave since January 2, and is hereby dropped from
roll."

Then subsequently to all this: in a separate Compiled Conf Serv Record
under the name of William F. Poythren, private in 3 Co. I, 59 Va Inf'y,
there are 3 cards. The first 2 spell the name "Poythren." The first shows
that he was Present on the Co. K, 59th Regt Va Inf company muster roll for
Nov & Dec 1862 dated Dec 31, 1862, and that he was enlisted July 7th at
Manchester by Capt Carrington "for the war" and that he was last paid by
Capt Hutter to Oct. 31. The second card is on the company muster roll for
3d Co. I, 59 Reg't Va Inf for Jan & Feb 1863 dated Feb 28, 1863. This
again shows he was enlisted July 7th same place & person; this shows he was
last paid Dec 31 by Maj. Amblin. Then under "Remarks" this second card
says: "Substituted J.D. Stanley Discharged by order Sec. War" AND then
the 3rd card under "Poythren" is actually spelled "William F. Paythress"
and this one shows that for Co. I, 59 Reg't Va Inf, the name of William,
age 16, appears on a List of Substitutes Received in Co. I, 59th Regiment
VA Inf. at Camp Wappo, near Charleston, SC, Oct. 22, 1863. This card shows
he was enlisted on July 3, 1862. It also shows the following info about
his "Principal:" Name - J. D. Stanley; Post Office - Lawrenceville;
County & State - Brunswick Co, Va; and Date of Enlistment - May 20, 1862.
At the bottom, the card also shows [re William F? or more probably re JD
Stanley?]: "Discharged by order of the Secretary of War, Jan. 1863."

So, while I initially thought Poythress was the one discharged because
Stanley substituted for him [as the book that Craig saw also indicated], I
have subsequently thought from looking at all the cards involved that the
opposite really happened: JD Stanley seems to have been released because
Wm F Poythress/Paythress/Poythren was his substitute.

I also find it interesting that Brunswick Co, VA appears in all of this.
Please see my 2nd message today, "Stanley & Poythress" for more.		07/11/1998 2:53:03
Stanley & PoythressCharles Neal7-11-98

In my family line's Bible-type record [which I don't think List-meister Al
Tims has yet had time to post on the Poythress webpage, but which is
available at the Library of VA Bible Records site, under Preston &
Poythress], it shows that my ggfather James Edward Poythress [apparently
son of Lewis Poythress, who appears in the Mecklenburg Co, VA Census for
1820, 1830, & 1840] married in adjacent Brunswick Co, VA in Feb 1828,
Catharine Speed Preston, who was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick Co, VA. The
records further show the family in which Catharine was born, was that of
Joshua Preston.

One of Catharine's sisters was Frances Preston, who was born 17 April 1796
in Brunswick Co, VA. Frances married Benjamin Stanley on 15 Jan 1824 (in
Brunswick Co, VA). Frances then died only one year later on 25 Jan 1825.

I have long sought any available proof to find show whether [as I strongly
suspect] this Benjamin Stanley, widower of Frances, is identical to a
Benjamin Standley who 7 yrs later, married Rebecca L. Poythress on 22 Jan
1832 in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Rebecca L. is also apparently/possibly a child
of Lewis Poythress, mentioned above in first paragraph.

If these apparent children of Lewis Poythress are indeed his children, then
this is the same Benjamin Stanley/Standley was first a brother-in-law of
James Edward Poythress in 1824-1825, by having married Frances Preston.
Then in 1832 Benjamin became a brother-in-law again of James Edward
Poythress by marrying James' sister, Rebecca L Poythress.

I have one other indication from my family's records of relationships to
Stanley folks:
I photographed a tintype of "Cousin Anna Stanley" which was in an old album
that belonged to Catharine Speed Preston (Mrs. James Edward Poythress),
which album has been held by an elderly cousin of mine for many years, and
which he obtained from his grandfather, one of the sons of James Edward
Poythress. The original paper backing of the tintype was replaced about
100 years ago by lined paper, glued to the original front-paper. On that
lined paper backing, in old script, is written "Anna Stanley" and the name
of the photographer, which appears to be J. C(?) Slorne, or possibly J. C.
Sloane; presumably this was copied from the original backing by whoever
replaced the back with the lined paper. I would love to know where this
photographer worked. From the dress and hairstyle of Anna, and the fact
that it was a tintype, I think the photo dates from the early 1860s. She
appears to be a young adult or possibly in her late teens. My hypothesis
is that she was the daughter of Benjamin Stanley/Standley, possibly by
Frances Preston, but more probably by Rebecca L. Poythress.

If so, then there may be some Stanley/Standley researchers who could
conceivably know more about our Poythress forebearers. I have tried
Stanley queries in a couple of places but have gotten no responses. Does
any of this fit with anything any of you on the Poythress List may know?
If so, I'd love to hear from you. [See also my response today Re: Found a
Poythren/Poythress?]

Thanks, folks.		07/11/1998 2:53:06
Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Helene PockrusWho says we aren't still worried about the Poythress bunch! Our
hearts are still there with all of you. Nice to be able to send a
note to the list once in awhile. Wish some of you wopuld send
Pockrus/Parcus material to us!
Helene

Charles Neal wrote:
>
> Helene, thought you might find my response to the List interesting. If
> not, just pitch it.
> Barbara
>
> -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>
> From: Charles Neal,
> To: A, POYTHRESS List, INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> Date: 7/11/98 1:21 PM
>
> RE: Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?
>
> 7-11-98
>
> I have returned from the Czech Republic, but am still very fuzzy-headed
> from jet-lag. Have just gone thru accumulated email & have no commentary
> to contribute on any of the subjects you have covered while I was gone
> except for Helene & Craig's info on JD Stanley & Wm Poythress:
>
> >From looking at the copies of the cards of the compiled Confederate Service
> Records, I see that there are 2 separate Compiled Conf Serv Records re
> William F. Poythress. First regarding the one Craig noted:
>
> William F. Poythress [spelled that way] of Company D, 28 Battalion Va
> Infantry has one card as a Private on Company Muster Rolls for 28
> Battalion, VA, Capt. Mosby's Co. C, for "Sept and Oct 1862" said roll dated
> Nov 3, 1862. This card further shows (confirming that he is the same one
> mentioned in Craig's message) that he was enlisted 20 May 1862 at Summit
> Station, Caroline Co, VA, by Capt. Wm. T. Carrington, for "3 yrs or the
> war" and that he was last paid by Capt. F. C. Heutter to Aug. 31.
>
> While William F. Poythress was supposedly discharged January 1863 by order
> of the Secretary of War since J.D. Stanley was provided as a substitute,
> ACTUALLY one finds that the cards for JD Stanley and for the 2nd Wm. F.
> provide some further interesting info, making it appear that perhaps Wm was
> the substitute for JDS:
>
> Under the Compiled Conf Service Record for J D Stanley, the first
> individual card, for Jan & Feb 1863 Co. I, 59th Reg't VA Infantry company
> muster roll, shows that J D Stanley was enlisted Jan 2 at Manchester by
> Capt F. S. Mosby "for the war" and shows that "present or absent" was "not
> stated" and under remarks: "Ordered to report as his substitute has been
> discharged." Then on the 2nd card (same company) for the March & April
> 1863 roll, dated Apr. 30, 1863, it notes that JDS has "never rec'd pay" and
> that JDS was "Absent from leave since January 2, and is hereby dropped from
> roll."
>
> Then subsequently to all this: in a separate Compiled Conf Serv Record
> under the name of William F. Poythren, private in 3 Co. I, 59 Va Inf'y,
> there are 3 cards. The first 2 spell the name "Poythren." The first shows
> that he was Present on the Co. K, 59th Regt Va Inf company muster roll for
> Nov & Dec 1862 dated Dec 31, 1862, and that he was enlisted July 7th at
> Manchester by Capt Carrington "for the war" and that he was last paid by
> Capt Hutter to Oct. 31. The second card is on the company muster roll for
> 3d Co. I, 59 Reg't Va Inf for Jan & Feb 1863 dated Feb 28, 1863. This
> again shows he was enlisted July 7th same place & person; this shows he was
> last paid Dec 31 by Maj. Amblin. Then under "Remarks" this second card
> says: "Substituted J.D. Stanley Discharged by order Sec. War" AND then
> the 3rd card under "Poythren" is actually spelled "William F. Paythress"
> and this one shows that for Co. I, 59 Reg't Va Inf, the name of William,
> age 16, appears on a List of Substitutes Received in Co. I, 59th Regiment
> VA Inf. at Camp Wappo, near Charleston, SC, Oct. 22, 1863. This card shows
> he was enlisted on July 3, 1862. It also shows the following info about
> his "Principal:" Name - J. D. Stanley; Post Office - Lawrenceville;
> County & State - Brunswick Co, Va; and Date of Enlistment - May 20, 1862.
> At the bottom, the card also shows [re William F? or more probably re JD
> Stanley?]: "Discharged by order of the Secretary of War, Jan. 1863."
>
> So, while I initially thought Poythress was the one discharged because
> Stanley substituted for him [as the book that Craig saw also indicated], I
> have subsequently thought from looking at all the cards involved that the
> opposite really happened: JD Stanley seems to have been released because
> Wm F Poythress/Paythress/Poythren was his substitute.
>
> I also find it interesting that Brunswick Co, VA appears in all of this.
> Please see my 2nd message today, "Stanley & Poythress" for more.		07/11/1998 4:43:06
George PaceWilayne.....delighted to have you on the line with us.

I've been dodging Richard Pace bullets for a number of years now so to know
that at least there is another Pace is comforting.

In case you haven't run across it yet, there is some controversy re the
Richard Pace-Rebecca Poythress marriage. While the D. A. R. still accepts the
marriage, the Pace Society now says the marriage is doubtful. If you poke
about on a search engine a minute or so using "Richard Pace" or "Pace Society"
you're likely to get to the scene of the cyber-fistfight.

We'll keep an eye out for George with pleasure.

Maynard Poythress

07/11/1998 5:08:42
Rootsweb Cemetery RegistrationBest answer to my query and it was right on the money. I visited the site and
its got all one would want and more:

There is a Tombstone Project. URL is http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/

Carla Cegielski is the listkeeper cegielski@NCweb.com

Maynard

07/11/1998 5:23:02
Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Hi Helene....always great to hear from you.

You know, I'll bet dollars to donuts that the "n" in that Poythren was "mis-
transcribed" from double "s". The chances are all the more enhanced because
many modern transcribers unfamiliar with the handwriting conventions of the
day get mystified by that
"fs" looking symbol commonly used for a double "s" on the end of a word or
name. Plus, the guys doing the writing seemed to make that "fs" thing a dozen
different ways.

Interestingly, I have placed the "demise" of that symbol and the adoption of
the conventional "ss" somewhere a generation or so on either side of the war.
I have a pass issued to my great-great grandfather in which the officer who
wrote out the pass rendered his name "Poythrefs" but John M Poythress' own
signature acknowledging the pass was spelled with the conventional "ss".

The question, I guess, would then be is Tex transcribing from the originals or
is Tex merely recording from a group of transcriptions?

One thing I'll betcha Tex does NOT run into are records for the 65,000+
blacks that served the Confederacy in a military capacity.....not just the
guys who were trench diggers, cooks, officers servants, etc. but real
soldiers. The historical revisionists of The War For Southern Independence
make sure this one stays five fathoms deep.

Best,

Maynard		07/11/1998 5:43:31
Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Craig.....I never learn...should have never opened my mouth until you had a
shot at it!
Nice going.

07/11/1998 5:46:51
Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Craig R. Scott>J. D. Stanley
>3rd Co I CSA
>59 Virginia Infantry
>(2nd Reg't of Infantry, Wise Legion
>Private
>AKA William F. Poythren

>From "59th Virginia Infantry" by G. L. Sherwood and Jeffrey C. Weaver:

POYTHRESS (POYTHREN), William F.: Co. I3, Enlisted on 5/20/1862 at Summit
Station, Caroline County, Va. in Co. D, 28th Battn, Va. Infantry, age 16.
Present on 10/62 and 12/31/62 rolls. Discharged in 1/63 on providing J. D.
Stanley as a substitute.

STANLEY, J. D.: Co. I3, Enlisted 5/20/1862 at Summit Station. Provided
William F. Poythren (Poythress) as a substitute. Ordered to report on
1/2/1863 as his substitute was discharged, but never returned to duty.

Company I3 (the third Company I) Captain Robert G. Mosby's Company,
formerly Co. K, and prior to that Company D, 28th Battalion Virginia
Infantry. This company was organized on May 20, 1862,mainly from men who
had served in the 3rd Virginia Artillery. When Mosby was promoted to major,
Captain Fortunatus S. Mosby, his brothr became Captain. From November 1862
to before 31 October 1863 the company was stationed at Manchester, Virginia.

Craig

-----
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
willowbend@mediasoft.net

Willow Bend Books Internet Bookstore URL is http://www.mediasoft.net/ScottC
Come visit.		07/11/1998 7:04:18
RE: Poythress marriageHello List,

Found this today:
Richmond Times Dispatch, Richmond, VA,
Sunday July 12, 1998.

"The marriage of Susanna POYTHRESS Elmore, daughter of Mr. & Mrs. George
Theodore Elmore III to Mr. George Edward DuBose Payne, son of Mrs. Nancy
DuBose Payne and Mr. Thomas Anderson Payne, all of Richmond, took place on
July 11, 1998, at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church."

"The bride is the grandaughter of the late Mr. & Mrs. Jesse Dubose Cook and
the late Mr. & Mrs. George Theodore Elmore Jr., all of Richmond."

Does this bride fit into anyone's POYTHRESS line. Seems she should since her
middle name is POYTHRESS.

Just thought I'd pass it on.

BGP (Portermom1)		07/12/1998 6:11:01
Welcome Back!Charles Neal7-12-98

Sarah,

I am an accountant & work for the government. The trip was pure pleasure,
tagging along with a community chorus that Charles sings in. His chorus
was joining with other choruses to perform in Prague. We decided to go (it
was our first-ever trip to Europe & hopefully not our last one ) mainly
because all 4 of my mother's grandparents came from Moravia (now part of
the Czech Republic). During the 1850-1890 time period, all of them came
from there to Texas.

In January when we decided to go, I began working a lot on her ancestors
rather than spending all of my waking moments on my father's Poythress
line. Got the help of a researcher over in the Czech Republic, and made
lots of progress. Then while we were there, the researcher & his wife
picked us up one day at our hotel & drove us all over Moravia visiting the
various villages where my ancestors came from. We visited the little
churches in the villages, which were all beautiful. The terrain reminded
me a lot of NC & TN -- it's really a beautiful country. They also took us
to meet one of my Mom's 2nd cousins -- Marie's grandmother was the sister
of my Mom's grandfather.

All in all that day was a real highlight of a super trip. We hope to get
there again someday. But it is good to be back home now.
Best,
Barbara		07/12/1998 6:44:00
RE: Poythress marriageCharles NealBruce,

Re your message (copied below), I checked my database. The only Elmore I
show is a Jane Elmore who married Henry Pirie Poythress, the son of James
Sneed Poythress -- in BPW's family line. Since BPW is off to Florida for
the next few weeks, we can't pursue it further with her yet. What I had
from her showed that Jane lived from Dec 1896 to Nov 1984; she graduated
from Meridith as a music major; and she is buried in Elmwood Cemetery,
Henderson, Vance County, NC, with her husband who died in August 1938. (
Maybe Jane had an Elmore brother who also married a Poythress?) Jane &
Henry had 2 daughters, Mary Elizabeth & Hannah Anne. I know that BPW has
met Anne (Hannah) in Florida back in 1990, and that she is a retired
principal of a school for handicapped children; she talked with BPW about
her father but knew nothing to help trace ancestors, though I think I
recall that BPW thought she might have some old family photos that BPW & I
would like to see someday, to see if they might help us in our Poythress
search.

Hopefully when BPW returns, she may know more about any further Elmore -
Poythress connection that could include George Theodore Elmore Jr or III,
of Richmond, VA.

Or, of course it could be that Susanna's mother, Mrs. George T Elmore III,
was a Poythress. I'll be curious to hear if anyone else knows where
Susanna Poythress Elmore fits in the tree.

All for now,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)

> > > >
> Found this today:
Richmond Times Dispatch, Richmond, VA,
Sunday July 12, 1998.

"The marriage of Susanna POYTHRESS Elmore, daughter of Mr. & Mrs. George
Theodore Elmore III to Mr. George Edward DuBose Payne, son of Mrs. Nancy
DuBose Payne and Mr. Thomas Anderson Payne, all of Richmond, took place on
July 11, 1998, at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church."

"The bride is the grandaughter of the late Mr. & Mrs. Jesse Dubose Cook and
the late Mr. & Mrs. George Theodore Elmore Jr., all of Richmond."

Does this bride fit into anyone's POYTHRESS line. Seems she should since
her
middle name is POYTHRESS.

Just thought I'd pass it on.
BGP (Portermom1)<		07/12/1998 6:44:02
Welcome Back!Sarah PoythressBPN,
Glad you are back. Does your work or pleasure take you to the Check
Republic? I have never heard you say what your work is, therefore I don't
have a clue.
Sarah P.

07/12/1998 9:10:45
Re: GSP (Global Satellite Positioning)Maynard,

I have used GPS (Global Satellite Positioning System) in my day job for almost
ten years now, since it was in infancy, and have recently used in to survey
some gravesites from the Wall family in NC, so maybe I can add something here.

GPS is indeed a powerful system for locating (and re-locating) things. It is
generally accurate to about 150 feet when referring it to either where you
originally located something (like a grave), or when referring it to the
latitude-longitude("lat-long") grid of the Earth. (The military can use it to
locate things to less than a foot, but you have to be the military to do
that.) You have to be a little careful with maps, however, because almost all
of them were made before the days of GPS, and landmarks (streets, houses,
rivers, etc.) are often not as accurate (referred to the Earth's lat-long) as
GPS is. For example, I use GPS when navigating a sailboat, and if I keep
track of my position on a map using lat-long, the map can tell me I am far
away from a dangerous rock. BUT since the rock isn't located on the map as
well as the boat, I can still hit it.

GPS units can cost as little as about $100 each - better ones are more
accurate and can cost many thousands. I don't know of a hand-held GPS for
$50, but I wouldn't be surprised. My personal one is made by Garvin (Model
12XL, about $300 from Ben Medows Co. in Atlanta) and was really useful in
locating some Wall graveyards in Anson County last summer with my dad. It
tells you where you are (lat-long), and you can keep pretty good track of that
on a topo map, but more than that, once you have found a site you "mark" it
with the GPS and it will guide you back to it with simple directions like "go
Northwest", "a little more to the left" and "you're here". More complicated
and more exact directions (compass headings, complex paths to get you around
obstacles, etc.) are also possible. Alternately, if you know the lat-long of
a site or can read it off of a map, you enter it into the GPS and it gives you
the same directions - but remember the map inaccuracies discussed above.

One other safety-related use of the GPS is that if you"mark" your car with it
before you go searching for a site, it will tell you how to get back to your
car if you get lost. I do recommend practicing a lot with it before you
depend on it for this or any other purpose - it does take some getting
familiar with - but it doesn't take a lot of knowledge or skill to learn. I
sure am glad we had it with us in NC.

You were interested in what they look like. Most are pocket-sized - roughly
6" x 2" x 1". They run for several hours on four AA batteries. Typically you
turn one on and in 2 minutes or less it has done all its talking to the
satellites and has your lat-long calculated. Mine draws a map of where I've
been, but it's just a line on the screen with whatever other sites I've told
it about. Soon you will be able to "load" topo or street maps into them and
they will show you where you are on those.

Any other info I can supply, feel free to ask. You probably have guessed I'm
in love with the thing (my wife probably thinks so).

Steve Wall
SteveW602@aol.com		07/12/1998 12:12:40
Re: GSP (Global Satellite Positioning)Steve, thanks much for your input. Somehow advice from a guy who actually
uses a contraption instead of only reading about it makes all the difference
in the world.

A question: accurate within 150' (for a civilian)?.....gee, couldn't you do it
with a t-square on a topo and almost get just as close....even given the
stated shortcomings of topo's etc.? I guess the articles I was reading did
not differentiate between civilian (plus/minus 150') and U. S. Army
(plus/minus 1') and thought we would be able to walk to a tombstone
blindfolded.

On a vaguely related subject, and always looking to make a buck: where is the
"play"? 🙂 I read that Trimble Navigation has far and away the leading
position in this stuff and the implication was almost "lock on the board" type
commentary. I'm typically a sucker for a "story stock" (by the time I buy it
everybody else in the world also knows the "story"). Trimble is about 17-18
bucks a share. You given any thought to this one? I can see enormous
applications for the concept.

Lyn, since you are the guy wanting to buy one of these rascals trust Steve's
words will find happy home with you.

Steve, thanks again.

Maynard		07/13/1998 3:24:13
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V98 #121Haven't used GPS but with all of the Poythress line in Georgia it would be
well to remember that Georgia is well surveyed and maped into Militia
Districts. I remember that for many years I found it easy to find building
sites around Atlanta because permits referenced these Militia Districts and
coordinates within them.

Bob Manning

07/13/1998 6:34:54
Re: Estate of Wm Poythress, Savh, 1828Hey, great, thanks for the post. Maybe the guy will eventually ring
somebody's bell.

Al, I have been thru just about every possibility I can think of, including
the ones you mention. I'll tell you one thing about this guy, it may be
impossible to prove who he
IS but it's a piece of cake to prove who he AIN'T.....he just conclusively
eliminates himself left and right from a half dozen or more possibilities.

Only "suggestion" I see is son of Wm. P. of Screven County. The dates are
very, very right but somehow I can't make them compatible.....the Screven
County guy was last seen practically in debtor's prison and the Savannah guy
maybe didn't own the world but having 4 slaves ain't exactly being broke. To
be sure, a son can do better than a father financially, but these two guys
just don't "feel" right together. But, the good news is we can be waiting for
that "link" to stick its head up and if it does we got it nailed. This
William is a neat and tidy package....I guess dying young does that.

I posted my names and dates out of those two cemeteries (the ones Bud & I
found..with lots of help) to a guy in Rincon who runs a listserver with about
75 area names on it......he went absolutely bonkers and my guess is his
readers are soon to follow. Says says something to the effect of no way in
the world you guys could find another cemetery in Screven, much less two. DAR
and a Mrs. Yeomans lady have combed every square foot of this county. And get
this line: "I'd call you a liar but there you stand with my own great uncle,
his second wife, and their precise dates". I kinda got a kick out of that
one.

Can't wait to see your stuff on FD and Blandford.

Maynard		07/14/1998 5:20:49
Est. of Wm Poythress, Savh, 1828Al Tims is posting this new study on the page under Wills & Estate Records
today.

Maynard

07/15/1998 6:20:31
Today's Posts, cont'dAl posting to day in addition to study of Wm. Poythress of Savannah:

a) Georgia Land Lotteries and Poythress participation (a work in progress, and
may
always be so).

b) Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup County, Georgia. A dysfunctional family
of
some interest. Joseph & Mary married in Warren County, Ga. 1814, moved to
Troup County where Joseph made a bundle of money and raised a family of
sons
who were feuders and drinkers; by contrast daughters who had good sense
and
either did good things themselves or married guys who did or both. Joseph
was a
"planter" with well over 100 slaves. He endowed the LaGrange Female
Institute
heavily and was one of its original trustees.

In the 1870 Georgia census there are numerous "col." (colored) entries
named
Poythress. These are all in Troup County and are almost exclusively
slaves of
Joseph Poythress who either took his name on manumission or were given it
earlier.

Best,

Maynard		07/15/1998 9:43:44
Note the Poythress connectionHelene PockrusI Have copy of the book called
pocahontas (alias matoaka) and her descndants through te marriage.
Jamestown virginia April 1614
with John Rolfe gentleman.

by Genealogical historical notes by
Wyndam Robertson robertson

names included
ALFRIEND,, ARCHER, BENTLEY,BERNARD,BLAND,BOLLING.
BRANCH.CABELL.CATLETT, CARY,DANDRIDGE,DIXON. DOUGLAS.
DUVAL. ELDRIDGE, ELLETT,FERGUSON.FIELD. FLEMING.
GAY, GORDON. GRIFFIN,GRAYSON,
HARRISON. HUBARD. LEWIS .LOGAN.
MARKHAM. MEADE.MCRAE. MURRAY.
PAGE. POYTHRESS. RANDOLPH. ROBERTSON. SKIPWITH. STANARD.TAZEWELL.
WALKE.
WEST. WHITTLE. AND OTHERS.
SOME BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES.

IF ANYONE WISHES TO E=MAIL ME ON THESE WOULD BE GLAD TO CHECK THEM
OUT.....
DONNADOE@WEBTV.NET OR AT
DONNADOE@HOTMAIL.COM

END--------------cut here-------------		07/17/1998 2:06:12
Re: Note the Poythress connectionHi Helene.....and thanks for staying on the lookout for us. Actually, that is
the fairly standard text from which the Pocahontas-Poythress connection
probably arises.
Mr. Robertson was either Gov. of Va. or running to be guv so it was to his
advantage
(I suppose he thought) to claim descendency from Pocahontas.

Its in almost every library and its quite cheap to buy.....if anyone wants it
I'm sure
Craig Scott probably has it in stock or can get it for you easily.

Thanks for the vigilance in our behalf, Helene.

Maynard

07/17/1998 12:11:21
E-mail address changeJulian P. Bell, Jr.Hi friends. Just wanted to inform as many people as possible
of my new e-mail address. Please put it in your "book" so what
you send next won't go to the "dead letter office." See below
for the new one. Getting my e-mail has meant LD calls to
Florida for a bit now that we are back north. BellSouth doesn't
have an access number that is local up here.
-- Julian P. Bell, Jr. BellJPev@aol.com

07/20/1998 5:43:38
Peebles infoArthur ChapinHi,
Loved the Poythress Family page! I am a direct descendent of David
Peebles and found the Poythress page while searching for information on
Burleigh and Bon Accord plantations. I have some questions and would
like to contact the author of the Peebles family chapter, Lou Poole. My
email address is achapin@cstone.net
Thanks,
Victoria Dunham
Charlottesville, VA

07/20/1998 9:46:42
Boyton Virginia LibrarySarah PoythressBPN & Others

Found these in my notes from Boyton Virginia Library.

Under Poythress Marriages:

Meredith Poythress and Edith Cleaton
m.b. July 14, 1781 Surety: William Cleaton

William Poythress and Ann Bently
m.b. Nov. 10, 1802 Surety: Thomas Rogers

Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance
m.b. Nov. 2, 1828 m. Dec. 10, 1828
Minister: James Smith Surety: William Drumwright
(Note marriage took place one year before John Lewis P. was born)

David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch
m.b. Dec. 17, 1827 Surety: Issac Taylor
Consent: Ann Dortch, mother of Mary Speed Dortch

Lewis Poythress and Martha Walker
Minister: James McAden m. July --, 1846 (I have July 1, 1846)

Lewis Y. Poythress and Mary C. Ferguson
m.b. July 20, 1846 Surety: William A. Dortch

Rebecca L. Poythress and Benjamin Standley
m.b. Jan. 22, 1832 Surety: David Poythress
Minister: James McAden
Consent: Lewis Poythress, father of Rebecca Y. Poythress

Martha Jane Poythress and John Tucker
m.b. Oct. 16, 1848 Surety: J. S. Moss
Minister: Thomas Adams m. Oct.
18, 1848
Consent: David Poythress, father of Martha Jane Poythress

Under Dortch Marriages:

Sally Dortch and Anderson Byers
m.b. Dec. 14, 1813 Surety: John D. Hank
(Is this Sally Dortch that married David Poythress, March15, 1848?)

Lewis Dortch and Mary Speed
m.b. Jan. 2,1796 m. Jan. 9, 1796
(Is this Mary Speed Dortch's parents?)

Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed
m.b. March 29, 1800 m. March 30, 1800
Minister: Ebenezer Macgowan Surety: John Dortch

Hope this helps someone.
Sarah Poythress		07/23/1998 8:43:05
Boydton Virginia LibrarySarah PoythressJust a note to correct my spelling of Boydton in last nights message.

Also, was just told there is going to be a virus, Sunday July 26, 1998,
that will be a disaster to Windows 95 and 98 if you don't have proper virus
protection. If you don't have it don't turn your computer on that day.

Sarah P.		07/24/1998 7:28:27
Boydton Virginia LibraryCharles NealSarah,

Thanks so much for listing all those marriages for us.

Re your questions about the Dortch marriages, I would offer that:

Re the Sally Dortch marrying Anderson Byers in Dec 1813, that is a
different woman than the Sally Dortch who married David Poythress in March
1848. In the 1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA census, David's wife Sally was listed
as age 32 (hh # 134; 98th Regiment). Also, if the first lady was marrying
again in 1848, her name would be given as Sally Byers (or Sally
name-of-a-later-husband), not her maiden name.

While from the names of the Lewis Dortch & Mary Speed marriage in January
1796 they certainly sound like good candidates to be the parents of Mary
Speed Dortch, they probably were not because we know that when Mary Speed
Dortch married in Dec of 1827, she was young enough to require her mother's
consent, and her mother was named ANN Dortch.

Again, thanks so much for the list of marriages.
BPN		07/24/1998 8:03:23
Re: Rootsweb Cemetery RegistrationMaynard, thanks for this information. It is good to see RootsWeb has a
going project. Some points I noted while perusing the site:

1) Registrations are sparse and spotty; e.g. two in Brunswick Co. (Va.);
six in Dinwiddie, none in Mecklenburg Co.
2) Many registered sites are not yet inventoried; just names without
information.
3) The registration form places no emphasis on location and nowhere is
any mention made of coordinates, GPS, etc.
4) I could find no allowance for submitting evidence for unmarked
burials. The emphasis seems to be strictly on recording tombstones.

Just a suggestion: Why not register your Georgia findings and let us
know how it goes?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:23:02 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Best answer to my query and it was right on the money. I visited the
>site and
>its got all one would want and more:
>
>There is a Tombstone Project. URL is
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/
>
>Carla Cegielski is the listkeeper cegielski@NCweb.com
>
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Stanley & PoythressBarbara, welcome back and thanks for this review of Stanley-Poythress
connections. Regarding Anna Stanley, no doubt you have researched census
records for Benjamin Stan(d)ley households in 1850 and after. Would be
interested to know what you did and did not find in doing so.

Best regards,
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Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Barbara, thanks for this additional information. It is very interesting
that J.D. Stanley is listed from Lawrenceville. Here's more to add to
the mix. From
,
the USGenWeb transcription by Linda Russell Lewis of the 1850 Brunswick
census we see household 124 as follows:

5 124 124 STANLEY John 48 M Farmer
847 VA
6 124 124 STANLEY Brambly 37 F
VA X
7 124 124 STANLEY Wm. L. 15 M
VA X
8 124 124 STANLEY Martha J. 12 F
VA X
9 124 124 STANLEY John 9 M
VA
10 124 124 STANLEY Sally 5 F
VA
11 124 124 STANLEY Benja. 1 M
VA

This is the only Stanley household in the transcription. Here's a wild
theory for consideration:

#The John Stanley, line 9 above, is the same person as J.D. Stanley. (He
is called J.D. to distinguish him from his father, John.) John, Sr., and
Benjamin are brothers. In fact, John has named his youngest son after
his brother.#

Again, just a wild theory, and one that would not account for any ties to
Poythress, certainly not by blood.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Charles NealLyn,

Thanks so much for alerting me to the Stanley household in the Census, and
to the Census transcription online. Enjoyed your "hypothesizing" too.

BPN

07/27/1998 9:34:19
Re: Stanley & PoythressCharles NealLyn,

Actually, I have not yet researched the Stanley Census households yet, so
that is why I appreciated so much your input. Doing that sort of looking
is one of the many things on my ever-growing "to-do" list

Thanks again.
BPN

07/27/1998 9:34:21
Benjamin POYTHRESSDrew W. WeeksHI,

I'm just joining Poythress list. Although I haven't connected my
Poythress family in Virginia to the Poythress families being researched
here, I'm quite sure a connection exists.

Perhaps someone has a connection to this family:

Benjamin Poythress, b. 1808 in Southampton, Va, d. 7/26/1865 in
Petersburg, Va (buried in Blandsford Cemetery). Benjamin married Susan
Mary Williams of Petersburg, Va on 7/13/1848. They had the following
children: George Alexander (1847); Jonh Williamson (1851), Virginia
Alice (1853); Mary Ellen (1856); Benjamin Franklin (1858), Susan Frances
- my G-GRANDMOTHER - (1860); and Laura Magnolia (1863). This
information comes from copies of the Poythress family bible and research
done by my g-grandfather, Williamson Lewis TYUS,II, who married Susan
Frances POYTHRESS on 10/27/1881 in Weldon, NC.

Both Benjamin Poythress and his wife Susan Mary Williams are buried at
Blandford Cemebery, Petersburg, VA. in Square 2, Section 44, Ward D, old
grounds.

Benjamin Potress (sic), 42, M, Va, Huxter; Mary, 36, F were found in the
Dinwiddie Co., VA 1850 Census.

Any help would be appreciated and I'll gladly share any information.

Drew WRIGHT Weeks		07/28/1998 10:10:04
Benj. etc.Drew....second "send" forgot to copy the list on the first one. MP

Subj: List/Benj. P./etc.
Date: 7/29/98
To: Foxhunt@colum.mindspring.com

Hey, Drew, glad to have you aboard. Sorry I can't help you with Benjamin, my
folks left Va. ca 1787 one jump ahead of the sheriff. But I'm sure one of
the many people
thrashing about in 1800's will come to life for you.

Once you get all that ironed out you'll be back to where most of us
are.....trying to find the links to Francis (the first). In that respect, I
have an 17 x 11 chart of "Early Poythresses in Virginia" prepared by R.
Bolling Batte in 1977. It begins with Francis and does next 6 or 8
generations. Its a fairly common item around Va. libraries but
sensing that it would help others I made myself a doz. copies of it. Would be
pleased to send you a copy (the price is right= 0) for a snail mail adds. (And
also to anyone else new to the board who doesn't have a copy....just drop me
an email)

Again, welcome to the board.

Maynard Poythresss		07/29/1998 4:39:53
Re: Benj. etc.Hi, Lynn, glad to know you're on board. Interesting thing about that NC
crowd...the demographics say we got more P's in NC than any other state but
until recently they have been big time "under-represented" on this particular
board. We're beginning to get some NC action and I'm sure someone will be
answering your ring.

Mailing chart today.

Maynard

07/29/1998 5:41:21
Wynn LineageCheck this site out:

http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~garywynn/Stuff2/Wynnea
ge.html

Its certainly oversimplified and likely has a few other snakes but it sure is
interesting.

MP		08/01/1998 2:51:04
Sloman, etc.Wilayne:

Hi, seems we have the same problem....I think I'm on part B of the Batte Chart
also!
Great to be lucky, ain't it?

Re Joshua, Peachey, etc. on the net. Wilayne, I think that one is just an
absolute classic of why one should ONLY use the stuff on the net as possible
threads to pull on. And especially if no documentation is given. And
especially on THAT net....I can't even remember its name...the one that
doesn't ask for any documentation or anything). I have seen that one hung up
in a couple of dozen places. Almost always I see it precisely identical:

Joshua Poythress b. 1588 (I think your 1855 was a typo) in London.
m. ________ Peachy b. 1592, son Francis b. ?

In the face of a couple of dozen folks throwing the same line at me I was
inclined to
listen rather than talk. I don't know what I expected to hear but what I did
hear when I asked destroyed any credibility that particular net had for me.

In each and every instance I e-mailed the poster and inquired where they got
it. The
BEST answer: "I dunno, I just copied it off the net". Others didn't even
answer...they are either out of the genealogy biz or didn't want to answer,
likely because they didn't know. That particular net just has pure junk
posted all over it. And as I began
noticing some of the adjoining entries just to check their bona fides I found
all sorts of descedents from the Margrave of Someplace Fancy (?), many English
kings, Dukes and Earls galore.....just pure fantasy wall to wall.

This is not to imply that Poythress was anything in and of itself to fantasize
about but it does say those folks write down whatever they need to write down
to make it all fit. My bottom line: that net should be skipped over and
doesn't even have the credibility of offering legitimate (or illigitimate)
threads to pull on.

Compare that with what conjecture we have built around one KNOWN fact, an
entry in the bishop's transepts book of St. Mary's Parish, Newent,
Gloustershire for the year 1609: "ffrancis the sonne of John Poythres was
baptised 12 July". Then, a
Francis Poythress shows up in Charles City in 1633 as a factor for a merchant,
marries and names his first son John. And Francis and his first generation
descendents all spell it with one "s"....we have the signatures. And every
reputable genealogist in the world who hasn't known for a fact where Francis
came from says "just keep looking in Glostershire". I wouldn't bet the farm
on that but its sure good enough for a working theory until something better
comes along.

Francis' son John does name his first son Joshua for whatever thats worth but
until the folks with Joshua b. London 1588 put something on the table, my
conjecture stays with the preceding paragraph.

By the way, I think the reason that Peachey name resonates with us is because
Susanna Peachy Poythress (Batte # 211 13) (1785-1815) daughter of Joshua
Poythress ( -1794) m. John Vaughn Wilcox and that is the point at which
Flowerdew Hundred plantation passes out of the Joshua Poythress family.

Even though it's 250 years later here is a guy named Joshua Poythress with a
daughter named Susanna Peachey Poythress. If it was 50 years since the
"claim" for the "Peachey" entry, I'd say it would somewhat legitimize the guys
on the spurious net. At 250 years later I'd be more inclined to speculate
that it was likely a case of confused late-20th century genealogists.

But if you find anyone who has some documentation for the above other than "I
saw it on the net", I'd be most appreciative if you would share it. Thanks!!!

Okay, now to Mary Frances Sloman. Don't worry about "where you saw it"
because
the "name" you found is in first place among all the contenders. I personally
believe no one knows (yet, anyway), as difficult as that is to accept. We see
the following candidates for Mary's maiden name: Mary Peterson, Mary Sloman,
Mary Frances, and Mary Frances Sloman.

I'm willing to throw out "Mary Frances" as an ENTIRE maiden name....it's too
likely to be a confusion of Mary Frances Sloman or Mary Frances anything....or
even may be confused with Francis Poythress her husband, much less likely.

Mary Peterson has a gaggle of advocates but none seem to have documentation,
circumstantial or otherwise.

That leaves Mary Sloman or Mary Frances Sloman. Just on a hunch I'd drop the
Frances, that's got at least a chance of being a confused derivitive of
husband Francis. But I'd drop it not particularly because I don't believe in
it but because it just doesn't much matter, if we ever pin down her important
maiden surname it's likely we'll get the Frances if it belongs in there also.

"Sloman" has going for it a couple of pieces of fairly strong circumstantial
evidence. First, all of Mary's three sons had the Poythress names of John,
Francis, and Thomas. I sometimes believe those guys just didn't believe in
ever introducing any new given names. That suggests 'ol Francis (who was an
militia officer and an Indian fighter remember....not likely to be Mr.
Sensitive) named the three sons himself.

Francis dies and Mary remarries to Capt. Wynne. All of a sudden there is
"Sloman" as a given name in the next two generations of Wynnes, Sloman being a
name never before seen in either the Wynne or Poythress families. Again, I'd
love to see some documentation but until some shows up, "Sloman" is a choice I
wouldn't make much of an argument over.

"B. 1624" for Mary would be a tad early. If all the dates are to fit with the
dates we know her first son John needs to be born about 1635. I realize those
folks were precocious but getting pregnant at 10 still seems early to me. On
the other hand, Mary "needs" to be pretty young when she marries Francis
because she is going to have 4 children by him, remarry to Wynne, have "x"
children by him, and (very questionably) by some accounts have children to yet
a third husband.

Bottom line is that Mary is quite a mystery lady. I've chased her so long I'm
brain dead and just lying around comatose waiting for somebody mention her
maiden name with some documentation and then I suppose I'll come back to life.

Welcome to the confusion, frustration, and trying to "round up the usual
suspects"...especially when the usual suspects don't WANT to be found.

By the way, Wilayne, we would get more bang for our buck if you sent these to
the discussion group and if you wanted to (as in this case) address me, just
start out the e-mail: "Hey, Maynard" or whatever. What that does is give the
whole list a crack at what we are saying and if they have any additional
information (or even a speculation they are willing to make) they can just
speak up.

For instance, while I doubt it very much because we have beaten this dead
horse a long time, someone JUST MIGHT have a bead on Sloman as Mary's maiden
name....in which case that person would jump right in with the documentation
and perhaps win all of us the "right" to put "Sloman" down by Mary's name and
go on to the next small conquest.

Now, of course, if you're asking if I'll run away to Florida with you that's
an entirely different matter..... :). For sure don't let those other turkeys
in on it by putting it on the list! 🙂

Best,

Maynard		08/02/1998 11:56:55
Late-Nineteenth Century QueriesI'm working toward getting some cemetery markers erected. One is for the
Thomas M. Poythress family cemetery at Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
If anyone already has the following information, or has a handy, at-home
reference they could check, it would be appreciated:

1) Dates of death, Mecklenburg Co., Va. for...
Thomas M. Poythress; died between 1880 and 1898
Lucy J. Thomas Poythress; died between 1880 and 1898
Sallie Poythress Tanner (ca. 1860 - ??)

2) Marriage of Sallie Poythress to ?? Tanner

Virginia kept births, deaths and marriages from 1853 through 1896 as
state records and unindexed microfilm of these are at the Library of
Virginia. I will be working remotely with LVA as I am able but with the
rapid approach of fall planting season for cemetery markers, thought I
would ask if any of you listers could speed up the process.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Grave MarkersLyn....

Since you are "in this market" so to speak, did you know that the Veterans
Adm. will supply you free of charge any of several size or type grave markers
for anyone who is a veteran whose present grave is unmarked?

I just received a marker I ordered for John M. Poythress (1834-1866). It is
2' x 1' and is about 5" thick...solid Ga. granite....weighs about 150 lbs.
which is an adequate deterrent to vandals. That weigh doesn't sound like all
that much but in that size and configuration its a bear to lift. This
particular style is meant to lie "flat".

They will include name, exact dates of birth and death, as well as such
details as " Pvt. Co. D 47th GA INF, Confederate States Army". The "cross" at
the top is the Southern cross (sort of a mix of the Maltese and celtic
crosses). As a matter of fact John M. Poythress' grave which Bud and I
discovered this spring was technically NOT marked since the stone was 6" or so
underground although it will now be marked twice....and I doubt if the feds
will go to Screven County in August and brave the redbugs and poison ivy to
check up on me.

It is really a beautiful marker and the price was certainly right. I have
marvelled over a wee scotch with several friends that its the first free thing
I have ever gotten or even heard of anybody I know getting anything FREE from
the yankee gummint.

The 3 part form for ordering one of these can be downloaded from the VA's
webpage
although the copy is bad and it is recommended that the "page" only be used to
get the address and write for a form.

I was advised by friends to have the form typed and to be very specific in
typing exactly what copy was wanted and to specify the southern cross and
"Confederate States Army". Reason: if the guy is a CSA vet it has been
observed that many stones that come from suppliers outside the South are
delivered with errors. If that happens the first time it is recommended that
a replacement order be placed with a cover letter and a copy sent to your
senator or congressman which seems to deter mistakes for some reason, assuming
one's elected representative is from the South I suppose.

Mine was shipped from some quarry in north Georgia and was right the first
time since I went to the pains to be very explicit and typed everything.
Delivery took about 2 months which I was told is about normal.

Maynard		08/03/1998 12:24:46
Our Stanley CousinsThe following is a census record of the household of Rebecca L. Poythress
STANLEY, daughter of Lewis Poythress (ca. 1765 - 1846) of Mecklenburg
Co., Va.:

1860 Federal Census, Brunswick Co., Va., Meherrin Parish, Crichton Store
P.O., 20 June 1860
(roll 1337, page 616, line 24)
Benjamin Stanley, 60, M, Farmer
Rebecca L. Stanley, 52, F
George M. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
Sarah F. Stanley, 23, F
Benjamin L. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
John D. Stanley, 20, M
Martha B. J. Stanley, 14, F
James W. Stanley, 10, M
All in the household were born in Virginia. (As I recall this is the
only Stanley I found in the indices in the counties of Brunswick,
Mecklenburg or Lunenburg in 1860.)

Placing the above information with that of the 7/11/98 messages from
Helene Pockrus, Craig Scott, and Barbara Neal regarding Confederate
soldiers William F. Poythress and J. D. Stanley, consider the following
possibility: This William F. Poythress is actually William Lewis
Poythress, eldest son of Thomas M. Poythress and grandson of Lewis
Poythress. (Guessing from census records, this William Lewis Poythress
would have been about 16 years of age in 1862.) This J. D. Stanley is
actually John D. Stanley, son of Benjamin Stanley and grandson of Lewis
Poythress. J. D. enlists in Virginia May 1862 then takes leave in
January 1863. Later His younger cousin William substitutes for him,
catching up with the company in South Carolina in October 1863. The
record keepers get things all mixed up, putting one cousin's information
on the card of the other. And the rest, as they say, is dis-history.

Crichton (pronounced CRAY-ton) Store, later known as Temple's Store and
now defunct, is in southwestern Brunswick Co., less than five miles east
of Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., confirmed home of Thomas M. Poythress and
probable home of Lewis Poythress.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Our Stanley Cousins - A CorrectionFor any interested, that line number should have been line 1 rather than
line 24.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:49:40 -0500 llbaird@juno.com writes:
>The following is a census record of the household of Rebecca L.
>Poythress STANLEY, daughter of Lewis Poythress (ca. 1765 - 1846) of
>Mecklenburg Co., Va.:
>
>1860 Federal Census, Brunswick Co., Va., Meherrin Parish, Crichton
>Store P.O., 20 June 1860
>(roll 1337, page 616, line 24)
>Benjamin Stanley, 60, M, Farmer
>Rebecca L. Stanley, 52, F
>George M. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>Sarah F. Stanley, 23, F
>Benjamin L. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>John D. Stanley, 20, M
>Martha B. J. Stanley, 14, F
>James W. Stanley, 10, M
>All in the household were born in Virginia. (As I recall this is the
>only Stanley I found in the indices in the counties of Brunswick,
>Mecklenburg or Lunenburg in 1860.)
>
>Placing the above information with that of the 7/11/98 messages from
>Helene Pockrus, Craig Scott, and Barbara Neal regarding Confederate
>soldiers William F. Poythress and J. D. Stanley, consider the
>following possibility: This William F. Poythress is actually William
>Lewis Poythress, eldest son of Thomas M. Poythress and grandson of
>Lewis Poythress. (Guessing from census records, this William Lewis
>Poythress would have been about 16 years of age in 1862.) This J. D.
>Stanley is actually John D. Stanley, son of Benjamin Stanley and
>grandson of Lewis Poythress. J. D. enlists in Virginia May 1862 then
>takes leave in January 1863. Later His younger cousin William
>substitutes for him, catching up with the company in South Carolina in
>October 1863. The record keepers get things all mixed up, putting one
>cousin's information on the card of the other. And the rest, as they
>say, is dis-history.
>
>Crichton (pronounced CRAY-ton) Store, later known as Temple's Store
>and now defunct, is in southwestern Brunswick Co., less than five
>miles east of Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., confirmed home of Thomas M.
>Poythress and probable home of Lewis Poythress.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
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Re: Grave MarkersLyn:

I think they'll ship to a cemetery only if you tell them you have made prior
arrangements with the cemetery to accept it. I guess you have to arrange for
"installation" with the cem. yourself but in the instance of the one I got
it's 2' x 1' x 6"
and meant to lay flat. To "install" all you got to do is drop it.....150 lbs.
isn't likely going anywhere. I had no idea of the weight or I would have had
the thing shipped to a cousin in Sylvania rather than to Louisville.....now I
have to lug it all the way back to Georgia where it came from in the first
place.

They do say however that this style is particularly suitable for cemeteries
who want
"flush" stones so it's easy to cut the grass.....dig down 6" and then drop it
I suppose.

The cross....I don't know...frankly, I had never heard of a "southern cross"
but it clearly is a cross and it clearly is not a conventional cross.

BTW, I have the address where you write for the form....and it's really more
than just a "form".....it's the instructions for the whole process,
illustrations of the markers,
etc. etc. Address is:

Office of Memorial Programs (403A)
Department of Veteran's Affairs
810 Vermont Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20420-0001

Maynard		08/05/1998 11:59:19
Re: chartGlad it helped, Cathy.

And if you find out anything about any of those folks I'd be most appreciative
if you shared it with the "list".

I have a married daughter who lives down near Clear Lake and a married son
with two kids who lives up in Kingwood. Since we live in Louisville I don't
get there often but
when I do come I can stetch it into week or more. Wife spends $ on
grandchildren, I go to Clayton.

For me, finding the Clayton was the mother lode. I think I have about pumped
out and copied everything on the first floor in "book" form...although that
Va. section will keep you occupied for 6 or 8 days. I'm just now starting on
the microfilm upstairs. I have spent one day up there but it was checking a
bunch of census queries on Poythresses in unconventional places. I'll next
hit the Va. directory of microfilm.....the Va. censuses won't do anything for
me since my folks left Va. before 1785. I haven't done anything with all
those CD-ROM's on the first floor.....just putting it off I guess, there is
usually a crowd waiting.

Cathy, I'm going to give you one off the top of my head now so if it turns
into a dud at first look just write it off. There is a book (fairly common,
Clayton has it) called something like Bristol Parish Register and Minutes.
There is "a" William in there that is on about 100+ pages. Since he was on
the vestry many of the "mentions" are simply noting his presence at such and
such meeting. I'm not sure it's THIS William but he is in about that time
frame.

Good luck,

Maynard		08/05/1998 12:17:54
llbaird: Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?Pleased to announce an error in our favor. Below I state IN ERROR, "This
is the only Stanley household in the transcription." The 1850 Benjamin
STANLEY household turns out to be Brunswick household 103 or page 322,
line 25 (and, I might add, next door to my thrice-great-grandfather
William Nay Murat Taylor). I missed it earlier due to its spelling of
STANLY.

25 103 103 STANLY Benjm. 36 M Farmer
42 VA
26 103 103 STANLY Rebecca S. 40 F
VA
27 103 103 STANLY Geo. W. 17 M Famrer
VA X
28 103 103 STANLY Sarah F. 14 F
VA
29 103 103 STANLY Benjm. L. 13 F
VA X
30 103 103 STANLY John D. 11 M
VA X
31 103 103 STANLY Martha R. 5 F
VA
32 103 103 STANLY James W. 3 M
VA

So we now have census records for Rebecca L. Poythress STANLEY in both
1850 and 1860. Judging from the names in the neighborhood, I would guess
the Stanleys are located at this time at Gholsonville (a.k.a. Rock
Store), about 6-8 miles east of their 1860 location (Crichton Store). I
plan to get images and check the transcriptions of both 1850 and 1860 in
the next several weeks.

[By the way, the real URL is
,
much better than the Rootsweb search URL I gave in the message below.
Better yet, you can reach all three census pages from the county site
.]

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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From: llbaird
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
Cc: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Found a Poythren/Poythress?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:25:28 -0500
Message-ID: <19980727.164123.4038.4.llbaird@juno.com>
References: <199807111653_MC2-52D3-39A9@compuserve.com>

Barbara, thanks for this additional information. It is very interesting
that J.D. Stanley is listed from Lawrenceville. Here's more to add to
the mix. From
,
the USGenWeb transcription by Linda Russell Lewis of the 1850 Brunswick
census we see household 124 as follows:

5 124 124 STANLEY John 48 M Farmer
847 VA
6 124 124 STANLEY Brambly 37 F
VA X
7 124 124 STANLEY Wm. L. 15 M
VA X
8 124 124 STANLEY Martha J. 12 F
VA X
9 124 124 STANLEY John 9 M
VA
10 124 124 STANLEY Sally 5 F
VA
11 124 124 STANLEY Benja. 1 M
VA

This is the only Stanley household in the transcription. Here's a wild
theory for consideration:

#The John Stanley, line 9 above, is the same person as J.D. Stanley. (He
is called J.D. to distinguish him from his father, John.) John, Sr., and
Benjamin are brothers. In fact, John has named his youngest son after
his brother.#

Again, just a wild theory, and one that would not account for any ties to
Poythress, certainly not by blood.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Stanley & PoythressCharles Neal8-8-98

Lyn,

I've been out of town & just returned tonight. Must THANK YOU so much for
all your excellent detective work on the Stanly/Stanley families (and I
might add, we should also remember to check for Standly/Standley as I have
seen it spelled that way, too). Your hypothesis re the connections to the
Civil War records is quite interesting.

Hope to have time to check the Brunswick & Mecklenburg websites with some
degree of regularity, myself, soon. Haven't in way-too-long. Appreciate
your valuable reminder of their outstanding fit with our research.

Barbara		08/08/1998 11:09:53
Grave MarkersCharles NealMaynard,

So glad to learn of the possibility of getting a V.A. gravemarker for our
ancestors. I am familiar with a southern cross, by the way from my other
cemetery-prowling.

It's a shame we didn't know of the free possibility, when Judy was
mobilizing us for James Speed Poythress' marker, but better now than later.

BPN

08/08/1998 11:09:58
"DLITTLE.VDH.STATE.VA.US" : Re: How to Research Death Records 1912 - 1947 ????I realize few of you will have twentieth-century Virginia research
interests, but just in case, the following is a response to my request
for access to public information retained at the Virginia Office of Vital
Records.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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Subject: Re: How to Research Death Records 1912 - 1947 ????
Date: 10 Aug 98 09:35:40 -0500
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I apologize for not responding sooner. I am working with the State
Library to
address the records that have become public information. Once I we work
out
getting the information to the library I will let yoou know.

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Compliments on your informative web site
. I am attempting to research
the dates of death (and associated information) of several Virginians
during the period 1912 through 1947. How do I do this? I understand
from your web site how to request a certified copy of a record IF I
ALREADY KNOW THE DATE OF DEATH. What I need to know is how to research
information when date of death is unknown within say a twenty year span.

Your web site states "The Virginia Office of Vital Records is not
equipped to do genealogical research; any such research should be done in
the Archives Division of the Library of Virginia." But death records for
the period 1912 through 1947 reside in your office, not the Library of
Virginia, and are public information. So how is the public to research
these records?

Your guidance in this regard will be most appreciated.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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"DLITTLE.VDH.STATE.VA.US" : Re: How to Research Death Records 1912 - 1947 ????Charles NealLyn,

Thanks for letting us see what is going on re accessing VA's 20th century
death records. I hope they get a Round Tuit soon. I'll be interested in
knowing how, whenever you hear more.

BPN		08/10/1998 11:01:45
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To All:
Well, we finally sold our house. We bought 70 acres in Monroe,Ga., about
32 miles from our house in Stone Mountain. We are building a new house.
I wanted to send you my new e-mail address. > was638@alltel.net
Judy Speed Scruggs

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To All:
Well, we finally sold our house. We bought 70 acres in Monroe,Ga., about
32 miles from our house in Stone Mountain. We are building a new house.
I wanted to send you my new e-mail address. > was638@alltel.net
Judy Speed Scruggs

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My Poythress connection rehashedJulian P. BellHi, friends. Just thought that after a hiatus of many months in
writing to the list, it might be of interest to some to restate what
connection to the rest of you I have.

What I have may not be entirely accurate but it's what I have.
Anyone desiring to amplify or correct is encouraged to do so. My 4th
great grandmother, Elizabeth Bland Poythress was born in 1759 to Peter
Poythress and Elizabeth Bland. She married, in 1778 in Braischester,
Prince George County, VA,, one William Mayo, of "Powhattan Seat." Their
daughter, Ann(e) Mayo married General Lawrence Taliaferro Dade who was
the father-in-law, through daughter Mary Jackson Dade, of the man with
four names, Daniel McCarty Fitzhugh Thornton. There are more
connections, of course, but I imagine the above is enough for the moment.

Some time ago, I posted a description similar to the above on the
Poythress web page. The *only* hit I got from that proved to be a
goldmine. Anne Yates of California struck up an e-mail correspondence
and then mailed me some pictures that wonderfully added to what I have.
My mother had never met or seen a picture of her grandfather Thornton, or
his father, the D.M.F.T. included above. Now she has. And this is due,
of course, to the existence of youse guys. Thanks so much for being
there.

-- Julian Peveril Bell II BellJP@juno.com
(Trivia question: has anyone seen my middle name before? If you're
interested, I'll tell you the story behind it.)

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new email addressjean spilleHelp somebody
I have a new email address and need some assistance getting set up.
Guess where I am living now..........Prince George, Virginia!! About a
stones throw from where I grew up and where a whole lot of Poythresses
lived and died. Get this, Name of subdivision I live in is BRANCHESTER
LAKES.......do-do-do-do!!!!!!!!!!

Jean Poythress

08/12/1998 5:41:50
Lewis Poythress & sonsCharles NealWe have previously known that Lewis Poythress (father of Thomas, Lewis Y,
and we think of David and James E) died sometime after he made a deed on 14
Sep 1845, in Mecklenburg Co, VA, in which he gave (and his wife Rebecca
Poythress released) to "my two youngest sons" Lewis Y. Poythress and Thomas
M. Poythress, sale of land (140 acres), stock, and furniture for one dollar
upon condition that said sons "do bond themselves to keep me . . . and my
wife . . . free from want the remainder of our lives . . .", Deed Book 31:
p.605.

Now I have obtained a copy of a Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed of Trust which
shows that father Lewis Poythress died before 12 July 1848, thus giving us
a somewhat narrower view of when he died. Below is a transcription of the
1848 document.

Three months ago, on 5/31/98, I sent a letter and a check to the
Mecklenburg Co, VA Clerk of Court, in hopes of obtaining copies of two
Deeds of Trust that I obviously had seen some reference to, in some message
or in some volume or in some periodical regarding Mecklenburg County, VA
Court Quarterly Sessions around 1840 to 1848. Folks, I'm absolutely lost
on recalling how I knew to request this document (and another document,
which I still don't have). If any of this rings a familiar bell with any
of you, I sure would appreciate being reminded. Lyn, was this (or were
these) something you had found listed in your earlier visit to the Court
House, perhaps?

Unfortunately, they could not locate the first item I requested, " A Deed
of Trust by James E. Poytress to Isaac Taylor, personal estate, which was
acknowledged in Office on 13 February 1843. (I do not know the page
number; I think this would probably be in Deed Book 30, though possibly in
either DB 29 or 31. The reference to this Deed of Trust is found on p.326
of Court Quarterly Sessions No. 3, 1840-1843.)" [Note, I am including
verbatim quotes for both items I requested, from my letter, since I have no
recollection of ANYTHING further about these documents.] Isaac Taylor
would have been the person close enough to take the Deed of Trust, ensuring
that someone would be repaid by James E, similar to what you see below on
the 2nd document. This could be very important, since it could well be
that Isaac Taylor is a kinsman of Rebecca B. Taylor, wife of Lewis
Poythress. Perhaps her brother (and thus James E's uncle) or possibly her
father (and thus James E's grandfather)?? This is the first I recall of
seeing Isaac Taylor's name anywhere; does anyone know anything about him?

The 2nd item was "A Deed of Trust by Lewis Y. Poythress to Williamson M.
Pearson, which is recorded in Deed Book 32, pp. 537-538. (The reference to
this Deed of Trust is found on p.452 of Court Quarterly Sessions No. 4,
1844-1848.)" This is the item that I received photocopies of now, 150
years & 1 month after this Deed of Trust was made, and which I've
transcribed below. It mentions both Lewis Y. Poythress and David
Poythress, and introduces (I think for the first time?), another name of
someone close enough to them to be willing to provide the Deed of Trust
that would ensure a legal way for David to be repaid in the event that
Lewis Y were to die before repaying him for a loan of $45. That someone is
Williamson M. Pearson. Does anyone know anything about him?

Transcribed from photocopies of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.
537-538, beginning near the bottom of p. 537: [Note that in the original,
Williamsson M. Pearson's name is abbreviated as "Wmsson" with the "m" being
up high, near the top of the "W" and the double-s-set letter which looked
like a modern script lowercase "p." All spellings and punctuation here are
as in the original, including the variations in spelling of David's and
Lewis' last name.]
* * *
537
Poythress To Poythress
This indenture made this the 12th day of July 1848 between Lewis Y.
Poythress of the first part, Wmsson M. Pearson of the second part, and
David Poytress of the third part: Whereas the said Lewis Y. Poythress is
justly indebted to the said David Poythress in the sum of forty five
dollars, as will more fully appear by bond bearing date the 25th day of
Decr., last, which the sd Lewis Y. Poythress is willing and desirous to
secure:: Now this Indenture witnesseth, that for and in consideration of
the premises and also for the further sum of one dollar lawful money of Va
to the sd L.Y. Poytress in hand paid by the said Wmsson M. Pearson at and
before the sealing and delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof is
hereby acknowledged, he the sd L.Y. Poythress hath sold released &
confirmed by these presents to Wmsson M. Pearson his heirs &c forever all
his interest in the
538
tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides containing 100 acres
more or less to gether with his interest in one youke of oxen (being the
land &c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd L.Y. & Thomas Poythress)
lying & being in the county of Mecklenburg & state of Virginia, with all
the appertenances thereunto belonging: to have and to hold the same forever
and the said Lewis Y. Poytress further on his part doth agree to warrant &
defend forever the said land &c to sd Wmsson M. Pearson his heirs &c; upon
trust nevertheless that the said Pearson his heirs &c shall permit the sd
L.Y. Poythress to remain in possession of the sd Land &c & take the
profits thereof, until default be made of the payment aforesaid sum of
forty five dollars or any part thereof and then upon further trust that he
or his legal representatives shall and will so soon after the happening of
such default of payment as he or they may think proper or the sd D.
Poytress his heirs &c may direct sell the said lands &c for ready money at
publick auction after having fixed the time and place of sale at his or
their own discretion and given ten days notice thereof at the most publick
places in the county aforesaid, and out of the monies arising from such
sale shall after satisfying the charges thereof and all other expenses
attending this deed, pay to the said David Poytress the said sum of forty
five dollars with the legal interest thereon and the balance if any shall
pay to the said Lewis Y. Poythress, his heirs &c: but if the whole of the
said sum of forty five dollars with interest &c shall be fully paid of by
the sd L.Y. Poythress his heirs &c when demand of payment shall be made so
that no default of payt be made then this indenture to be void or else to
remain in full force and virtue:
In witness whereof the parties to these presents have hereunto set their
hands and affixed their seals the day and year first above written
Lewis Y. Poythress (seal)
Wmsson M. Pearson (seal)
Mecklenburg County court 17th July 1848
The foregoing deed Trust was acknowledged by Lewis Y. Poy-
tress a party thereto to be his act and and [sic] ordered to be recorded
Teste Richd B. Baptist Clk		08/12/1998 9:59:07
My Poythress connection rehashedCharles NealJPB,

I'm glad to know that Anne Yates got in touch with you & that you struck
gold thru our List. Good luck again this time. Good idea to rehash
occasionally, just for such chances.

BPN

08/12/1998 10:21:41
new email addressCharles NealJean,

So great to hear from you again! And so great to know you are right
there!! Looks to me like you are indeed set up again on the List, since it
came to me thru the List.

Hope all is well with you. Welcome back,
Barbara Poythress Neal

08/12/1998 10:21:44
P Family Reunion-Sylvania, Ga.Off the air for a couple of days, folks. Off to Sylvania, Ga. Friday AM to
blow gnats, drink zim-zam water and walk on the burnin' sands.

Back Tuesday with lots of tall tales about eccentric Poythresses....which I
guess is all of us.

Maynard

08/13/1998 3:19:28
llbaird: Citations - Mecklenburg Order BooksBPN, perhaps the following message from March is the source of your
references in your 8/12/98 message "Lewis Poythress and sons". See
further comments in another message also sent today.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Subject: Citations - Mecklenburg Order Books
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:47:12 -0600
Message-ID: <19980319.152930.3902.0.llbaird@juno.com>

I just picked up the following information in Boydton, Va. (See more
about Mecklenburg court order book series in a separate message also
being sent today.) Some questions to think about as you read:

1) "admix de bonis non" Would anyone happen to have a guess as to what
this means, or what the real phrase was that I was mis-transcribing?

2) "Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c." Would anyone happen to have the
deed book citation? I'm curious who the "& c." was.

============================================
Citations from Mecklenburg County Court Order Books; transcribed from
original bound volumes, Clerk's Office, Boydton, Va., by Lyn Baird on
3/16/98:

>From Superior Court Order Book No. 1 (1809-1820); screen of first-party
index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
-p. 283 April Term 1818 "David Dortch, John Hutcheson S. [C.?] Surviving
Commissioners of David Dortch, John Hutcheson, Son Charles, & John Dortch
Commissioners appointed to Carry into effect a decree entered on the
petition of Mary Ferrell widow of Hutchens Ferrell [Pers.? Plaintiffs?] /
against / Edward Delany & John R. Lucas Defds } In Debt / It appearing to
the Satisfaction of the Court that David Dortch one of the [plaintiffs?]
in this Suit is dead. Therefore this Suit abates against him"
-p. ? November Term 1818 "Charles & George D. Baskervill administrators
of David Dortch, decd / against / John Davis" (Note: Daniel [Q.?]
Hicks is witness for plaintiff as testifying to existence of $122 note of
debt.)
-no Poythress first-party found
-p. 17 James Taylor
-pp. 349, 362 Thomas Taylor v. Thomas Jones
-p. 423 John Taylor v. John Cook

>From Superior Court Order Book No. 4 (1829-1831); screen of first-party
index for Dortch, Poythress and Taylor:
-no Dortch first-party found
-no Poythress first-party found
-p. 31 April 1829 "William Taylor late sheriff of Mecklenburg who sue for
the benefit Puryear Thayer / against / James Young"
-p. 43 April 1829 "John Taylor who sue for the benefit of Martha Taylor
[admix de bonis non?] of Thomas Taylor dec'd / against / Daniel Middagh
Thomas [Suggett?] and Ezekiel Crowder"
p. 76 April 1829 "Precilla Taylor admix of James Taylor against james
Nolly & Ralph Hubbard"

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 1 (1833-1836); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-no Poythress first-party found

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 2 (1836-1840); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-no Poythress first-party found

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 3 (1840-1843); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-p. 203 March Court 1842 "David E. Poytress (sic) & wife to William H.
Moon for land with [?] of acknowledgement and relinquishment of Dower
thereon endorsed was received in Clerk's Office 31st Feby (sic) admitted
to record"
-p. 326 "Deed Trust James E. Poytress (sic) to Isaac Taylor, personal
estate, was ackno. in Office 13 Febry" (1843)

>From Court Quarterly Sessions No. 4 (1844-1848); screen of first-party
index for Poythress only:
-p. 60 "A deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Poytress (sic) & wife to
David Poytress (sic) together with the certificates of acknowledgement
and relinquishment of Dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
Office the 19th August 1844 and admitted to record"
-p. 181 "A deed of Gift from Lewis Poythress (sic) to Lewis Y. Poythress
and Thomas M. Poythress for Land with certificate of acknowledgement was
received in Office 20th October 1845 & admitted"
-p. 405 "A Deed of Bargain and Sale from Lewis Y. Poythress and wife & c.
to Charles D. Cleaton [?] [Sana?] together with the Certificate of
relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was received in the Clerk's
Office the 6th day of January 1848 and admitted to record"
-p. 452 "Deed Trust Lewis Y. Poythress to [Williamson?] M. Pearson was
acknowledged & admitted to record"
=============================================

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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Re: Lewis Poythress & sonsCongratulations on your find of the Lewis Y. Poythress Deed of Trust. A
two-for-one special - another boundary on date of death of Lewis and
another circumstantial link between a known son (Lewis Y.) and a supposed
son (David)! Here are some comments:

1) Isaac Taylor: neighbor according to census records; witness to 1827
marriage of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch [17 Dec 1827 Marriage
Record of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch Consent: Ann Dortch,
mother; Witnesses, Isaac Taylor and Elizabeth C. Dortch. Mecklenburg Cty
Marriages Bonds and Consent Papers 1825-1828 Reel 66, p. 698-700. -
thanks to BPW] I agree that research of the Taylors is a promising path
to proving the relationships among James E., David and Lewis Poythress!

2) Williamson M. Pearson: have not previously noticed; I will check.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Lewis Poythress & sonsBarbara,
What a great find! I've given my notes a cursory glance looking for the
Pearson name. Nothing yet. For a moment there I thought this might clear up
the double marriage info I have on Lewis Y.

In the marriage records 1811-1853 Mecklenburg Co. VA is a marriage bond dated
20 July 1846 for Lewis Y. and Mary C. Ferguson and then another marriage dated
July 1846 to Martha E. Walker, with Minister James McAden.

BPW		08/13/1998 6:01:08
Anne YatesJulian.....you're absolutely right...that lady is 24 karat solid. I bumped
into her three or four years ago when we were all operating snail mail. Anne
is absolutely a one-woman "franchise". Since we all got on line I have
contacted her on two or three
other ocassions. Each time I tried to sell her on getting on the list. Her
problem is that she simply has a ton on her plate already....including writing
a couple of genealogies that combined her work with that of her father whom I
believe is now deceased. She also has a high level civil service job that
takes her out circulation for long stretches at a time.

Anne has done, I'm told, some ground-breaking work in the genealogical area
with respect to a gene that "travels" in the matrimonial line only and is
thereby uncontaminated with testosterone poisoning or any of the other
manifold shortcomings of purely male genes. While it was naturally too
complicated for me to understand, I remember assigning considerable
credibility to the concept based on some material Anne covered with me. She
is for real.

If, as, and when any of us happens to be in contact with her in the future we
could spend time a lot worse than in giving her a sales pitch for our
listserver. One of these days one of us may "get the order" and having Anne
Yates on our listserver will be a major plus.

Maynard		08/13/1998 6:37:07
Re: new email addressJean,
Great to hear from you and how exciting to learn you're in Prince George!!
I love Virginia.
Best, Barbara (BPW)

08/13/1998 6:39:47
Isaac Taylor; Williamson PearsonA quick review of census materials at hand turned up some information on
Isaac Taylor as follows:

1850 Mecklenburg Co., Va.; household 208
Taylor, Isaac, 56, laborer, $682, born Va.
Taylor, Elizabeth, 50, born Va.
Taylor, Rebecca, 19, born Va.
Taylor, Robert, 17, born Va.
Taylor, Mary, 15, born Va.
Taylor, Albert, 13, born Va.
Taylor, Sarah, 9, born Va.
Thomas M. Poythress is household 217, James Poythress household 218.
Interestingly the adjacent household, 208 has in it both Pearsons and a
Stanley, neither of which is a common name in that immediate area. Isaac
Taylor households show up also in both 1840 (p. 22 or 49) and 1830 (p.
13). Based on ages, it appears likely to have been the same Isaac
Taylor. I found one and only one Isaac Taylor head of house in each of
1840 and 1830; none in 1820.

On this basis, I would speculate that this Isaac Taylor, born ca. 1794,
is the party of the 1843 deed of trust referenced to us by Barbara
Poythress Neal. In this case Isaac might be a younger brother or nephew
of Rebecca B. Taylor Poythress, wife of Lewis Poythress.

Regarding Williamson Pearson, I could find none in Mecklenburg census
records for 1820 - 1850. There are few Pearsons in Mecklenburg during
that period but several in Brunswick, including the following 1850
household:

12 479 479 PEARSON William 53 M Farmer
*
13 479 479 PEARSON Nancy 40 F
*
14 479 479 PEARSON Edward 23 M Farmer
*
15 479 479 PEARSON James 21 M Farmer
*
16 479 479 PEARSON Eliza 20 F
*
17 479 479 PEARSON Martha L. 18 F
*
18 479 479 PEARSON Mary 16 F
*

Not a Williamson, but at least close. This was the only adult William
found. According to the transcription, the location of birth was left
blank for the households on this page.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Benjamin Stanley 1840While hunting Taylor and Pearson households, I chanced upon a Benjamin
Standley household in Mecklenburg Co., Va., in 1840 (p. 24 or 51) as
follows:
1 male 40<50
1 male 5<10
2 males <5
1 female 20<30
1 female 5<10
With the exception of Benjamin, this tracks well with the Brunswick
household of 1850 (see earlier message), adjusted back to 1840 as
follows:
Benjamin; age 26
George W.; age 7
Benjamin L.; age 3
John D.; age 1
Rebecca (Poythress); age 30
Sarah F.; age 4
Given the 1832 marriage of Benjamin and Rebecca, it would appear all
these children are theirs. I'm going to speculate that Benjamin's age
range in the 1840 record is correct whereas that in the 1850 record is in
error. The 1860 census record indicates a birth year of about 1800 for
Benjamin, which squares with the 1840 record.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Lewis Poythress & sonsBPW, what an excellent citation to bring into the discussion! Consider,
if you will, the possibility there is no "double marriage" for Lewis Y.
Poythress but instead a third marriage of his father. My notes indicate
the groom of the Poythress-Walker marriage is Lewis Poythress, no "Y".
In all legal citations I have seen thus far on this father and son,
father is always "Lewis" and son is always "Lewis Y." Therefore, this
marriage record suggests to me that it is father Lewis who is marrying
Martha Walker, his third wife. Here is the scenario: In September 1845
an ailing Lewis and Rebecca turn over the remainder of their estate to
their two youngest sons. Within months Rebecca dies and within months
thereafter, July 1846, Lewis remarries. Before another two years have
passed, Lewis also has died, as reflected in the July 1848 deed of trust.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:01:08 EDT Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Barbara,
>What a great find! I've given my notes a cursory glance looking for
>the
>Pearson name. Nothing yet. For a moment there I thought this might
>clear up
>the double marriage info I have on Lewis Y.
>
>In the marriage records 1811-1853 Mecklenburg Co. VA is a marriage
>bond dated
>20 July 1846 for Lewis Y. and Mary C. Ferguson and then another
>marriage dated
>July 1846 to Martha E. Walker, with Minister James McAden.
>
>BPW
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: MIDDLE NAMEJulian P. BellHi, Wilayne ( and the rest of you, too),
Just to refresh others, I mentioned this at the end of my
rehashing my Poythress connection. I was given my father's name when I
was born a few months after he was killed; he was an officer on a B-17
flying into Germany on what would have been his last mission. His
father, West Louis Spedding Bell, was born in Birkenhead, England to a
family that was involved in some way with the Lamport and Holt shipping
company (whose records were destroyed in bombing raids on the Liverpool
docks). Anyways, West's family did not want him in the family hair and
business, it is said, and thus he became a "remittance man," paid a
stipend regularly so long as he stayed away. He married my grandmother,
from Troy, NY, and fathered about 5 children in San Francisco. West's
parents were married on the Isle of Man where at least one of the couple
was from. West liked reading Sir Walter Scott, one of whose lesser known
works was Peveril of the Peak, the setting of which is the Islae of Man
and the hero of which was Julian Peveril.
Thus, no family connection was indicated by the Peveril middle
name. I have a cousin on the Isle of Man, Arthur Bawden, who has been
checking on the Spedding name in that of my grandfather. He sent some
material but it remains to be seen whether anything connects. Sources he
referred to include MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland (Fagan sounds Irish
to me), the Dictionary of National Biography, The Industrial Archaeology
of the Lake Counties by Davies-Shiel and Marshall and another work that
clearly won't be of help to you.
Anyways, good luck! (Hope I haven't worn you out with all of the
above.) And keep me posted.
-- Julian Peveril Bell II BellJP@juno.com

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:52:19 EDT Wvandev@aol.com writes:
>Yes - I'm curious from a trivia point of view. Where did Peveril come
from?
>My husband's gr-grandfather's middle name is Fagan. We have never seen
this
>name in anyone in the family, and have gone back into the 1400's on most
of
>these connected lines. We're still curious too..
>
>Thanks. Wilayne in Michigan
>

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TAYLOR or TRAYLOR ???StarrAnother surname list I monitor for possible clues to the early
families who interact with TRAYLORs is the POYTHRESS one. They are having
great difficulty finding any information on this Isaac TAYLOR; one person
asked me if this Isaac was possibly a TRAYLOR? Any one recognize him as
such? Linda

>1) Isaac Taylor: neighbor according to census records; witness to 1827
>marriage of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch [17 Dec 1827 Marriage
>Record of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch Consent: Ann Dortch,
>mother; Witnesses, Isaac Taylor and Elizabeth C. Dortch. Mecklenburg Cty
>Marriages Bonds and Consent Papers 1825-1828 Reel 66, p. 698-700. -
>

Linda Sparks Starr
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
starr81@ix.netcom.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7592/stargrp.html		08/14/1998 5:57:49
Re: Lewis Poythress & sonsCharles NealLyn,

While I was gone for several hours to fetch C from the airport & stop for
dinner, you distilled exactly what I planned to put in a message this
evening! I had checked my available sources on marriages & had come to the
same hypothesis. I, too, have only seen the younger one referred to as
"Lewis Y."

Message text written by INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Consider,if you will, the possibility there is no "double marriage" for
Lewis Y.
Poythress but instead a third marriage of his father. My notes indicate
the groom of the Poythress-Walker marriage is Lewis Poythress, no "Y".
In all legal citations I have seen thus far on this father and son,
father is always "Lewis" and son is always "Lewis Y." Therefore, this
marriage record suggests to me that it is father Lewis who is marrying
Martha Walker, his third wife. Here is the scenario: In September 1845
an ailing Lewis and Rebecca turn over the remainder of their estate to
their two youngest sons. Within months Rebecca dies and within months
thereafter, July 1846, Lewis remarries. Before another two years have
passed, Lewis also has died, as reflected in the July 1848 deed of trust.
<

BPN		08/14/1998 9:36:03
Taylor; Pearson & StanleyCharles NealThanks so much for digging out the Census info, Lyn!

BPN

08/14/1998 9:36:05
Re: Lewis Poythress & sonsCharles NealLyn, (with thanks to BPW!!)

Thanks so much for the copy of your March message. I thought you had
earlier sent something about that, but in my foggy state when I finished
transcribing the Deed of Trust, I couldn't find it. Thanks to that message
& pulling out my photocopy made years ago of the "P" INDEX pages covering
"Poythress" from the Grantees and the Grantors Deed Indexes, I can now see
that I had matched up part of your message re the Deeds of Trust, with
items listed on those Index pages. Mystery solved!! And there was no
Index entry for the James E Poythress to Isaac Taylor D of T, which is why
I had to guesstimate which Deed Book it should have been in, based on dates
of other things I had listed.

In looking further tonight, I pulled out my actual copy of another Lewis
Poythress [Sr] deed to David Poythress, made 15 Aug 1844 (about a year
before the 1845 one mentioned in last night's message), from DB 31,
pp.253-254 selling David 143.5 acres for $215.25. As with the marriage
bond for David that you reminded me of (copy of which I did, indeed, have
thanks to BPW), I have a copy of this Deed thanks to BPW.

Now in looking at the whole Deed, MUCH of which is almost totally
illegible, I see that one side of the property Lewis was giving his sons
was adjacent to Isaac Taylor's property. The other property
owners/landmarks mentioned were (before Isaac) Charles D? Cleaton's line &
then John Giles & "the meadow Branch" to Robinson C. Thomas' line; and then
after Isaac there were, Leonard Thomas' line, Henry Moore[or Morse?]'s
line, Williamson Rainey Sr's line, and then "along the road." to the
beginning.

This land is apparently adjacent to the land in the 14 Sept 1845 "Bill of
Sale" to "my two youngest sons Lewis and Thomas" (again, copy thanks to
BPW), since that document mentions 140 acres bounded by the land of Charles
D. Cleaton, John Giles, David Poythress, & Williamson Rainey Sr.

I am now going to enter Isaac Taylor in my database, so I don't lose track
of him again.

Thanks again, so much, Lyn & Barbara!

BPN		08/14/1998 12:21:56
Tanner-Poythress & Mills-PoythressCharles NealHas anyone had any better luck than I, in looking for a marriage for Sallie
Poythress (daughter of Thomas Poythress, b approx 1860) to Mr. Tanner?

>From the transcription that Lyn's Mother furnished us (see email of 8/7/98,
entitled "Thomas M. Poythress Estate), of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Bk 55,
p.58, for the sale of land to J. W. Moseley by apparently all of Thomas
heirs then living, we can surmise that Sallie's husband was W. H. Tanner.
I don't know what W H's initials stand for, but he and Sallie signed the
sale documents. Since part of the land was described as being bounded on
the south by lands of Wylie Tanner, it is possible that Wylie is WH, though
not definite.

Also signing the sale documents were at least two of Thomas P's other
children I am aware of: Wm L Poythress (and his wife A.J. Poythress); and
J.D. or James David Poythress (and his wife Lucy Cannon Moseley). We can
surmise that the J. W. Moseley buying the old Thomas Poythress place in
this deed is probably kin to JDP's wife Lucy.

Further, we can surmise that the Betty Mills (who signed with her husband
Thomas Mills) was Thomas Poythress' daughter Elizabeth R. Of course
finding a marriage record for Thomas Mills to her as Elizabeth/Betty
Poythress would help us be sure this surmise is correct.

However, I am puzzled by the apparent heir, Richard Poythress (who signed
with his wife Rosa). I don't have listed a "Richard" as a child of Thomas.
Perhaps I am missing one of Thomas' children, or perhaps Richard was a
grandchild of Thomas, whose Poythress-parent was already dead?

Does anyone out there know anything about Richard Poythress who was already
married to a Rosa by Nov of 1896.

BPN		08/15/1998 10:28:39
Scanning CensusesBelow as info. The question is at the bottom, the answer is at the top.
Maynard
>>>
Subj: Scanning the census
Date: 8/13/98 11:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: cegielski@ncweb.com (C. Cegielski)
Reply-to: cegielski@ncweb.com (cegielski@ncweb.com)
To: VKRatliff@AOL.COM ('VKRatliff@aol.com')

Dear Maynard,

Someone has figured this out. SK Publications is now offering census
CDs at a cost of 25 cents to 50 cents per page. They scan the census,
make a CD for the purchaser, and send a copy of the images to the
USGenWeb Archives. We haven't gotten any yet but orders have been
placed for:
> Georgia:
> Haralson 1860, 1870
> Oglethorpe 1820, 1830, 1840

You can get details at their website: http://www.skpub.com/genie/

FWIW, I think we need both transcriptions and scans. Scanning does
not give you any type of index. Transcriptions have too much room for
error, but are fully searchable with our search engine.

Carla Cegielski
mailto:cegielski@ncweb.com

USGenWeb Dade County GA Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadade/index.htm
USGenWeb Georgia Archives
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/gafiles.htm
USGenWeb Georgia Tombstone Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/georgia.html
Listowner: GADADE-L
The mailing list for research in the Dade County, GA area

On Sunday, August 09, 1998 4:31 PM, VKRatliff@aol.com
[SMTP:VKRatliff@aol.com] wrote:
> Carla....why are we depending on all those wonderful souls to
> laboriously
> transcribe all those census pages? Won't that take for ever and
> the
> transcriptions be awfully
> "uneven" given the varying skills of the numerous transcribers?
>
> Won't somebody (government or private or maybe even GenWeb) figure
> out pretty
> soon that the pages can be digitialized in 1% of the time and far
> more
> accurately? (or true to the original we should perhaps say).
>
> True, there is a capital barrier but sooner or later someone will
> figure a way
> around that....a fee based access would be an
> obscenity.....especially when
> scanners are, relatively speaking, cheap.
>
> True, the pages are pretty big and one has to scan around a bit but
> shoot,
> it's just as easy to scroll/scan on a PC as it is to do so on a
> microfilm
> reader (maybe even easier) which most of us are already doing
> anyhow?
>
> Or is there some technical hurdle that I just don't understand?
>
> If you GenWeb folks, who have already demonstrated you can move
> mountains,
> want to undertake the nationwide project with grants and donations,
> I'll be
> first in line.
>
> Maynard Poythress		08/17/1998 2:30:54
Re: Consent of Perintess?PARENTSHow about a phonetic, badly spelled PARENTS

Consent of parents

Elise Markham

Still lurking!-but chasing another line for the moment.

08/17/1998 2:47:09
Consent of Perintess?Say, folks, I have here an unfamiliar phrase. The context is consent for
marriage and the phrase is "consent of perintess" or some such last word,
very difficult to decipher. Any guidance from any lister would be
welcomed. I checked the geneological dictionary I purchased from Craig
Scott's Willowbend Books some time ago, but did not find it.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Tanner-Poythress & Mills-PoythressThanks for your analysis on this 1898 deed. A few comments and answers:

BPB: Has anyone had any better luck than I, in looking for a marriage
for Sallie Poythress (daughter of Thomas Poythress, b approx 1860) to Mr.
Tanner?
LPB: Not yet.

BPB: I don't know what W H's initials stand for, but he and Sallie
signed the sale documents. Since part of the land was described as being
bounded on the south by lands of Wylie Tanner, it is possible that Wylie
is WH, though not definite.
LPB: The 1900 census record indicates William Tanner as follows:
1900 household of William Tanner, white, born March 1859 in Virginia, age
41
Mecklenburg Co., South Hill District
Vol. 34, Enumeration District 56, Sheet 13, Line 13
Tanner, Sallie; wife; born April 1860 in Virginia; age 40
Tanner, William J.; son; born October 1885 in Virginia; age 14
Tanner, Eddie L.; son; born October 1887 in Virginia; age 12
Tanner, Sadia; daughter; born March 1889 in Virginia; age 11
Tanner, Irvan; son; born July 1891 in Virginia; age 8

BPN: We can surmise that the J. W. Moseley buying the old Thomas
Poythress place in this deed is probably kin to JDP's wife Lucy.
LPB: I would guess distant relation if at all. Lucy's people were all
south Brunswick people. As I recall there were separate Moseley families
in the Blackridge area.

BPN: Further, we can surmise that the Betty Mills (who signed with her
husband Thomas Mills) was Thomas Poythress' daughter Elizabeth R. Of
course finding a marriage record for Thomas Mills to her as
Elizabeth/Betty Poythress would help us be sure this surmise is correct.
LPB: I agree on both counts.

BPN: However, I am puzzled by the apparent heir, Richard Poythress (who
signed with his wife Rosa). I don't have listed a "Richard" as a child
of Thomas. Perhaps I am missing one of Thomas' children, or perhaps
Richard was a grandchild of Thomas, whose Poythress-parent was already
dead? Does anyone out there know anything about Richard Poythress who
was already married to a Rosa by Nov of 1896.
LPB: I have a research note stating there is a Richard Poythress marriage
in Mecklenburg in 1888 that references his parents as being Thomas and
Lucy. I do not have the actual information. The 1870 and 1880 census
records agree there is no Richard in the Thomas Poythress household.
However, there are three sons listed in these census records who do not
appear in the 1898 transaction - Peter V., Anderson, and Laban. So where
are they in 1898? We have one of them - Anderson - as living until 1936.
So is Richard Peter V.? Is he Laban? Open questions.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Consent of Perintess?Julian P. BellHi, Lyn. Seems to me that the simplest explanation is often the best.
How's 'bout "consent of parents" required. Sumwun jest hed a hahd tahm
spullin'.
-- Julian Peveril Bell II BellJP@juno.com

On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:06:42 -0500 llbaird@juno.com writes:
>Say, folks, I have here an unfamiliar phrase. The context is consent
>for marriage and the phrase is "consent of perintess" or some such
>last word, very difficult to decipher. Any guidance from any lister
>would be welcomed. I checked the geneological dictionary I purchased
>from Craig Scott's Willowbend Books some time ago, but did not find
>it.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
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Consent of Perintess?Charles NealHaving seen recently some pretty miserable spelling by county clerks of
days gone by, and recalling that spelling didn't used-to-be all that static
a thing anyway, and recalling that lots of folks themselves were
illiterate, perhaps that is the transcription of how someone intended to
refer to the consent of the female-parent, the "parentess" (back in the
age when the female administrator of the estate was an "administratrix").

08/17/1998 7:45:19
Re: MIDDLE NAMEGreat story and I enjoyed it.

In case you didn't already know Birkenhead was the home of the Johnathan Laird
Shipyards, still operating today if I'm not mistaken. They built a nice
"freighter" in early 1860's which my great uncle (mother's side- no P's)
contracted for on the authority of President Davis. They floated it on down
the Mersey River to Liverpool where it was fitted with guns at night and
picked up a waiting crew. That "freighter" steamed on our to sea and went on
to make quite a name for itself as the C. S. S. Alabama. (your trivia for
today).

Best,

Maynard		08/17/1998 12:12:17
Polly PoythressMay I ask if any of you have indexed a Polly Poythress? A query comes from
Jane Andrews of PG County. First question was who is she? She is found
living in the household of Thomas and Lucy Lee Leonard in 1850 and 1860
censuses. She is 72 in 1850 census and in 1860 census listed as 70.

I asked Jane to zero us in a bit closer and she reports:
>>>>
Subj: Re: Polly Poythress
Date: 8/18/98 7:36:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: PHA5056
To: VKRatliff

John:
Thanks for answering-sorry I didn't give more details. Polly Poythress is
listed in the household of Thomas Leonard and his family in the census for
Prince George Co, VA 1850 and 1860. My interest is really the Leonard Family
and I was trying to figure Polly,s relationship with the Leonards. Thomas,s
wife was Lucy Lee and not a Poythress; therefore, not a mother-in-law. There
are alot of Poythresses in Prince George Co early on but few by the mid 1800s.
I assume Polly was really Mary since that is a nickname for Mary. I had
checked many ways to find a connection but no success. Thank you for any help
or suggestions you can give. I live in VA but these burned counties make
genealogy a real struggle but fun.
Jane P. Andrews

Jane: I'm somewhat embarassed to admit that my P. records for Virginia "that
late"
are somewhat sketchy but I do know that many of the people on our "list" are
working that time frame and am asking that they contact you if they have any
information on said Polly. [and I personally would like to know if someone has
mastered the trick of losing 2 years while the clock is moving 10...I can use
some of that action].

So, Jane, my guess is you will have someone with a word or two on Polly
shortly.
Help, group. Thanks.

Maynard		08/18/1998 4:02:38
Polly PoythressCharles NealMaynard,

I have seen the Census entry, but know nothing further about her or them.
I don't have her entered anywhere.
BPN

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>May I ask if any of you have indexed a Polly Poythress? A query comes
from
Jane Andrews of PG County. First question was who is she? She is found
living in the household of Thomas and Lucy Lee Leonard in 1850 and 1860
censuses. She is 72 in 1850 census and in 1860 census listed as 70.
<		08/19/1998 10:23:16
Sarah Poythress/DortchJohn PI am looking for information on a Sarah Poythress. She married William
Archer Dortch on 31 Jan 1837, in NC

John Pyle		08/20/1998 9:04:06
Sarah Poythress/DortchCharles Neal8/20/98

John Pyle,

I have only seen her name and his in a list of Warren Co, NC marriages, and
know nothing further about her other than that the transcriber gave her
name as "Sarah G. Poythress" and the date of marriage, 31 Jan 1837. Thank
you for supplying the middle name for William Archer Dortch. Do you have
further Dortch information, by any chance, that would show who his parents
or any potential siblings were? (I ask because we have other
Poythress-Dortch connections amongst our group.)

Barbara Poythress Neal		08/20/1998 10:29:40
Re: Sarah Poythress/DortchJohn PBarbara, here is what I have on William Archer Dortch. I have additional
information on his son Alvin if your interested.

Individual Summary - 21 Aug 1998
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Name: William Archer Dortch *
Sex: Male

Individual Facts
Birth abt 1810
Death abt 1850 (age 40)

Marriages/Children
1. Sarah Poythres *
Marriage 31 Jan 1837 in NC (age 27)
Children
Martha Dortch (abt 1838-)
Jasper Dortch (abt 1843-)
Alvin Jordan Dortch * (Dec 1844-26 Aug 1915)
Tom Dortch (abt 1847-)

John Pyle
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neal
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 9:30 PM
Subject: Sarah Poythress/Dortch

>8/20/98
>
>John Pyle,
>
>I have only seen her name and his in a list of Warren Co, NC marriages, and
>know nothing further about her other than that the transcriber gave her
>name as "Sarah G. Poythress" and the date of marriage, 31 Jan 1837. Thank
>you for supplying the middle name for William Archer Dortch. Do you have
>further Dortch information, by any chance, that would show who his parents
>or any potential siblings were? (I ask because we have other
>Poythress-Dortch connections amongst our group.)
>
>Barbara Poythress Neal
>
>
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>		08/21/1998 8:21:58
Re: Sarah Poythress/DortchCharles NealThank you, John P, for the info on Wm Archer Dortch. I'll pass for now on
acquiring further info on his son Alvin, since I don't have him fitting in
anywhere with what I'm working on.

Thanks again,
BPN

08/22/1998 1:27:58
William Cleaton WillSarah PoythressLocated this in a book titled, Early Wills 1765 - 1799 Mecklenburg VA

Cleaton, William Will Book 3 Page 339
Names: Wife - not named and evidently deceased
Children: John Cleaton, Thomas Cleaton, Mary Cleaton, Martha
Cleaton, Jeane GILES, EDITH POYTHRESS, Lucy Matthews,
Judith Wilkinson, Nancy Pointer.
Grandson - Woody Cleaton
Specific bequest to daughter Mary Cleaton
Balance of estate to be divided between children listed above.
Executors: Son Thomas Cleaton and James STANDLEY, Sr.
Witnesses: James STANDLEY, Senr., William TAYLOR & James STANDLEY, Junr.

Will dated: Nov. 12, 1791 Recorded: April 11, 1796

This may have been shown before I joined the list. Can anyone explain why
the children had so many different last names. I was puzzled by all the
names I capitalized. Any ideas?

Sarah P.		08/23/1998 10:16:26
Re: William Cleaton Willp KoscheskiSeems to me that the nameswere married names of some of the daughters.
Note most of the male names are all Cleaton. I imagine that Jean GILES
was probably Jeane Cleaton before marriage, Lucy Matthews was probably
Lucy Cleaton Matthews, etc.

Sarah Poythress wrote:
>
> Located this in a book titled, Early Wills 1765 - 1799 Mecklenburg VA
>
> Cleaton, William Will Book 3 Page 339
> Names: Wife - not named and evidently deceased
> Children: John Cleaton, Thomas Cleaton, Mary Cleaton, Martha
> Cleaton, Jeane GILES, EDITH POYTHRESS, Lucy Matthews,
> Judith Wilkinson, Nancy Pointer.
> Grandson - Woody Cleaton
> Specific bequest to daughter Mary Cleaton
> Balance of estate to be divided between children listed above.
> Executors: Son Thomas Cleaton and James STANDLEY, Sr.
> Witnesses: James STANDLEY, Senr., William TAYLOR & James STANDLEY, Junr.
>
> Will dated: Nov. 12, 1791 Recorded: April 11, 1796
>
> This may have been shown before I joined the list. Can anyone explain why
> the children had so many different last names. I was puzzled by all the
> names I capitalized. Any ideas?
>
> Sarah P.
>
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Thanks!I've been off-line for a time. I want to express thanks to Sheryl,
Elise, Julian and BPN for suggestions in response to my query on the term
"consent of perintess". Though we reached no definitive conclusions, it
was agreed that this is probably not a standard legal term of the day,
but probably rather a peculiarity of the writer.

(Craig Scott of Willowbend Books, what do you think?)

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Missing Dortch Researcher Welcome BackHello, John Pyle, and welcome back to contact with the Poythress list.
You corresponded with Maynard Poythress and briefly with me about a year
ago. Thereafter the address we were using for you, ,
began bouncing and we thought you were gone for good. Anyway, since you
were on then off, some of this may be a repeat for you, but here goes
what we have about possible Dortch-Poythress relations (including your
information):

1) The 1802 marriage of Lewis POYTHRESS and Rebecca B. TAYLOR
(Mecklenburg Co., VA) was witnessed by John DORTCH.

2) Census records of 1820 and 1830 (Mecklenburg, VA) indicate two girls
in the Lewis POYTHRESS household, the younger born ca. 1815-20. This
younger girl is absent from the household in the 1840 census. (The older
girl matches the age of Rebecca L. POYTHRESS, evidenced daughter of Lewis
POYTHRESS, who married Benjamin Standley/Stanley/Stanly in 1832.)

3) William A. DORTCH married Sarah G. POYTHRESS (Warren Co., NC, 1837).

4) David POYTHRESS, candidate son of Lewis POYTHRESS, married first Mary
Speed DORTCH (Mecklenburg Co., VA, 17 December 1827) then Sally DORTCH
(Warren Co., NC, 15 March 1848).

5) A DORTCH household in the 1850 Southampton Co., VA, census contains
William A. (32), Sally (35), Martha (12), Jasper (7), Alvin (5), Tom (3).

6) William A. DORTCH married Elizabeth A. MISE (Warren Co., NC, 1854),
George W. KING, bondsman. There is a KING-MISE-TANNER family cemetery
near the property of Lewis POYTHRESS in the vicinity of Blackridge,
Mecklenburg Co., VA.

7) Alvin DORTCH married Tennesse Jordan GLOVER (Mecklenburg Co., VA,
1866) and may have listed parents as William and Sarah.

I would like to offer the possibility that your Sarah G. POYTHRESS was
the girl in the Lewis POYTHRESS household in the 1820 and 1830 census.
We have strong candidates identified for every other child of Lewis
POYTHRESS except this daughter. Further, we have so far found no
evidence after 1820 for any other branch of POYTHRESS present in
Mecklenburg Co., VA. (We are, however, less certain of the absence of
POYTHRESS branches in Warren Co., NC. Nevertheless, there are many cases
of Warren Co. marriages of Mecklenburg people.)

This is an especially good time to be bringing up the question of Dortch
connections, since the Lewis POYTHRESS family is getting particular
research attention at this time. We look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: A Lotta BaggageIt reminds me of the case of my son, Miles Poythress Baird, who carries
the surnames of three grandparents. I tell Miles he should never get
uppity about having three surnames because he must remember that, unlike
other children, he has no Christian name.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:04:55 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>One of Carol Morrison's great contributions was an inventory of Asbury
>Cemetery in Dinwiddie County. I knew up front that the Methodists
>named
>almost everything in sight for Bishop Asbury but I also knew that
>Asbury was a
>friend of Francis Poythress, our Ky. Methodist almost-bishop. On the
>100 to 1
>shot that there would be some connection in that cemetery I scanned
>Carol's
>inventory. Had no luck. No particular surprise.
>
>However I did find a guy named Preston Stith Cleaton (23 Dec 1910-5
>Feb 1995).
>Boy, was this guy carrying a "genealogical" load. It was worth a
>chuckle.
>
>Maynard
>
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Re: William Cleaton WillSarah, it's great to hear from you and to see that you are digging away
in Boydton. As descendant Maynard Poythress could explain better than I,
this William CLEATON is the father of Edith CLEATON who married Meredith
POYTHRESS, Sr., in 1781. Meredith is the supposed brother of Lewis
POYTHRESS, who is the father of Edward POYTHRESS, whom I personally
suspect of being the father of your John Lewis POYTHRESS. So relative to
JLP, we may be talking about a father-in-law of a grand-uncle, maybe.

Anyway, thanks for calling this to our attention. I have no idea who
James STANDLEY and William TAYLOR are. However, it is exciting to see
these surnames - that of the son-in-law of Lewis P. and of the wife of
Lewis P. - turn up again - especially associated with Meredith POYTHRESS!
If you should find more in Boydton on TAYLOR (Rebecca, Isaac, William)
or STANDLEY/STANLEY/STANLY (James, Benjamin), please share.

Regarding Jeane GILES, what little I have seen presumes her to be the
wife of an unknown GILES. This would be one of several CLEATON-GILES
connections which are of special interest in the hunt for the
relationship of Meredith and Lewis POYTHRESS, since the former married a
CLEATON and the latter married (first) a GILES.

To add to the brew, here's a repeat of something Maynard posted way back:

13 May, 1997 Post from Family Tree Maker genealogy site: Ancestors of
Bertha Anne Conner: (note: estimated dates have unusually wide ranges
due to the estimating format of FTM)
William C. Cleaton II, b. 1709-1756 in Virginia; died bef. 1790. He was
the son of William C. Cleaton I. He married Jane Poole. Jane Poole,
born est. 1716-1758 in Virginia; died est. 1734-1839. She was the
daughter of William Poole and Elizabeth Tapley (prob.) Children of
William Cleaton and Jane Poole are:
1) Thomas Cleaton, born 1750-60 in Virginia; married Elizabeth Ann Barner
April 28, 1788 in Brunswick County, Virginia.
2) John Cleaton, born in Va.; married Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in
Brunswick County, Va.
3) Mary Cleaton
4) Martha Cleaton
5) Jean Cleaton, married Mr. Giles
6) Edith Cleaton, born in Va.; married Meredith Poythress 24 July 1781 in
Mecklenburg County, Va.7) Lucy Cleaton, married Mr. Matthews
8) Judith Cleaton, married Mr. Painter
Comment by C. Galas, originator of above, is that a Poythress Cleaton
lived two generations before this particular family.
Questionable...needs documentation.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:16:26 -0400 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>Located this in a book titled, Early Wills 1765 - 1799 Mecklenburg VA
>
>Cleaton, William Will Book 3 Page 339
> Names: Wife - not named and evidently deceased
> Children: John Cleaton, Thomas Cleaton, Mary Cleaton, Martha
> Cleaton, Jeane GILES, EDITH POYTHRESS, Lucy Matthews,
> Judith Wilkinson, Nancy Pointer.
> Grandson - Woody Cleaton
> Specific bequest to daughter Mary Cleaton
> Balance of estate to be divided between children listed above.
>Executors: Son Thomas Cleaton and James STANDLEY, Sr.
>Witnesses: James STANDLEY, Senr., William TAYLOR & James STANDLEY,
>Junr.
>
>Will dated: Nov. 12, 1791 Recorded: April 11, 1796

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Re: Scanning CensusesMaynard, thanks for sharing this. While it does sound appealing in
theory, it has been my experience that something is lost in translation,
so to speak, at least at mortal I/O resolutions. I cannot honestly
recall that I have seen the same image both in microfilm and digitized
for comparison. I'll just say that I have been generally successful
reading microfilm and generally unsuccessful reading digitized images.
If you should try this out, do let us skeptics and other listers know how
it works.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:30:54 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Below as info. The question is at the bottom, the answer is at the
>top.
>Maynard
>>>>
>Subj: Scanning the census
>Date: 8/13/98 11:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>From: cegielski@ncweb.com (C. Cegielski)
>Reply-to: cegielski@ncweb.com (cegielski@ncweb.com)
>To: VKRatliff@AOL.COM ('VKRatliff@aol.com')
>
>Dear Maynard,
>
>Someone has figured this out. SK Publications is now offering census
>CDs at a cost of 25 cents to 50 cents per page. They scan the census,
>make a CD for the purchaser, and send a copy of the images to the
>USGenWeb Archives. We haven't gotten any yet but orders have been
>placed for:
>> Georgia:
>> Haralson 1860, 1870
>> Oglethorpe 1820, 1830, 1840
>
>You can get details at their website: http://www.skpub.com/genie/
>
>FWIW, I think we need both transcriptions and scans. Scanning does
>not give you any type of index. Transcriptions have too much room for
>error, but are fully searchable with our search engine.
>
>Carla Cegielski
>mailto:cegielski@ncweb.com
>
>USGenWeb Dade County GA Genealogy
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadade/index.htm
>USGenWeb Georgia Archives
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/gafiles.htm
>USGenWeb Georgia Tombstone Project
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/georgia.html
>Listowner: GADADE-L
>The mailing list for research in the Dade County, GA area
>
>
>On Sunday, August 09, 1998 4:31 PM, VKRatliff@aol.com
>[SMTP:VKRatliff@aol.com] wrote:
>> Carla....why are we depending on all those wonderful souls to
>> laboriously
>> transcribe all those census pages? Won't that take for ever and
>> the
>> transcriptions be awfully
>> "uneven" given the varying skills of the numerous transcribers?
>>
>> Won't somebody (government or private or maybe even GenWeb) figure
>> out pretty
>> soon that the pages can be digitialized in 1% of the time and far
>> more
>> accurately? (or true to the original we should perhaps say).
>>
>> True, there is a capital barrier but sooner or later someone will
>> figure a way
>> around that....a fee based access would be an
>> obscenity.....especially when
>> scanners are, relatively speaking, cheap.
>>
>> True, the pages are pretty big and one has to scan around a bit but
>> shoot,
>> it's just as easy to scroll/scan on a PC as it is to do so on a
>> microfilm
>> reader (maybe even easier) which most of us are already doing
>> anyhow?
>>
>> Or is there some technical hurdle that I just don't understand?
>>
>> If you GenWeb folks, who have already demonstrated you can move
>> mountains,
>> want to undertake the nationwide project with grants and donations,
>> I'll be
>> first in line.
>>
>> Maynard Poythress
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Census Taker Poemp KoscheskiI think that this poem I read on another genealogy group about the
long ago census taker may
be enjoyed by the group:

It was the first day of census, and all through the land
each pollster was ready ... a black book in hand.
He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride,
his book and some quills were tucked close by his side.
A long winding ride down a road barely there,
toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air.

The woman was tired, with lines on her face
and wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place.
She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table
and she answered his questions ... the best she was able.
He asked her of children. Yes, she had quite a few --
the oldest was twenty, the youngest not two.

She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red;
his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed.
She noted each person who lived there with pride,
and she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside.
He noted the sex, the color, the age...
the marks from the quill soon filled up the page.

At the number of children, she nodded her head
and saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead.
The places of birth she "never forgot"
was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not?
They came from Scotland, of that she was clear,
but she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here.

They spoke of employment, of schooling and such,
they could read some ... and write some ... though really not much.
When the questions were answered, his job there was done
so he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun.
We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear,
"May God bless you all for another ten years."

Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me
as we search for the people on our family tree.
We squint at the census and scroll down so slow
as we search for that entry from long, long ago.
Could they only imagine on that long ago day
that the entries they made would effect us this way?

If they knew would they wonder at the yearning we feel
and the searching that makes them so increasingly real.
We can hear if we listen the words they impart
through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart.

08/24/1998 3:16:36
A Lotta BaggageOne of Carol Morrison's great contributions was an inventory of Asbury
Cemetery in Dinwiddie County. I knew up front that the Methodists named
almost everything in sight for Bishop Asbury but I also knew that Asbury was a
friend of Francis Poythress, our Ky. Methodist almost-bishop. On the 100 to 1
shot that there would be some connection in that cemetery I scanned Carol's
inventory. Had no luck. No particular surprise.

However I did find a guy named Preston Stith Cleaton (23 Dec 1910-5 Feb 1995).
Boy, was this guy carrying a "genealogical" load. It was worth a chuckle.

Maynard		08/24/1998 4:04:55
Gee, that's easy....I got the world's most open-ended question today in a short snail mail note
from a lady in Virginia:

Dear Maynard,
What have you learned of Captain Francis Poythress, Charles City, Va. 1633?
Please let me know. Thanks.
Regards,
xxxxxx

See you all in about 6 months...... Maynard		08/25/1998 4:40:22
BonnieBud....got concerned for you when I saw the eye of that sucker right over
Wilmington on TV today. Send us a note to let us know you are okay soon as
you get power and phones back. Good luck.

Maynard

08/26/1998 4:30:21
Re: UnsubscribingHello, Keith Poythress. I do not believe we have conversed. I have been
on the Poythress list about fourteen months now. Poythress is my
mother's family name and I am a thrice-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress
and Rebecca B. Taylor of Mecklenburg Co., Va. We have many other
researchers who have met through the list that are known or suspected
descendants of Lewis Poythress - including Barbara Neal, Barbara Wolfe,
Al Tims, Judy Scruggs, Patti Koscheski, Jim Richardson, Brandon Poythress
and Kenny Poythress. Thus you may have seen a lot of the mail traffic
oriented toward Lewis and children. However, there are lots of others on
the list who are from other Poythress lines and the chief purpose of the
list is to share research on any and all Poythress lines. I would be
interested in you sharing with us what you know of your Poythress line
and how we might help one another.

Oh, yes, and whenever you want to unsubscribe, I believe you send a
message to with only the word
"unsubscribe" in the subject field. You can get more information about
this and about switching to the digest list at our web site
hosted by Al Tims.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:54:42 EDT POYTH@aol.com writes:
>could you please tell me how to get off this mailing list.
>thank you,
>keith poythress
>

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Re: Missing Dortch Researcher Welcome BackOK, you three Dortch researchers: You need to go off and form a
high-powered Dortch research group, unravel the Dortch-Poythress
alliance, and come back as heros to all us struggling Poythress
researchers. 🙂

But just to make sure you are properly introduced, you are:
John Pyle
Richard Styles
Bill Dortch

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:49:39 -0700 "John P"
writes:
>Lyn, thanks for the kind welcome. I had been out of research for
>awhile and
>am just getting back into it. I am no further with the Poythress line
>since
>we last talked. I look forward to staying on the list.
>John Pyle
>-----Original Message-----
>From: llbaird@juno.com
>To: jsccon@email.msn.com
>Cc: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
>Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 2:20 PM
>Subject: Missing Dortch Researcher Welcome Back
>
>
>>Hello, John Pyle, and welcome back to contact with the Poythress
>list.
>>You corresponded with Maynard Poythress and briefly with me about a
>year
>>ago. Thereafter the address we were using for you, ,
>>began bouncing and we thought you were gone for good. Anyway, since
>you
>>were on then off, some of this may be a repeat for you, but here goes
>>what we have about possible Dortch-Poythress relations (including
>your
>>information):
>>
>>1) The 1802 marriage of Lewis POYTHRESS and Rebecca B. TAYLOR
>>(Mecklenburg Co., VA) was witnessed by John DORTCH.
>>
>>2) Census records of 1820 and 1830 (Mecklenburg, VA) indicate two
>girls
>>in the Lewis POYTHRESS household, the younger born ca. 1815-20. This
>>younger girl is absent from the household in the 1840 census. (The
>older
>>girl matches the age of Rebecca L. POYTHRESS, evidenced daughter of
>Lewis
>>POYTHRESS, who married Benjamin Standley/Stanley/Stanly in 1832.)
>>
>>3) William A. DORTCH married Sarah G. POYTHRESS (Warren Co., NC,
>1837).
>>
>>4) David POYTHRESS, candidate son of Lewis POYTHRESS, married first
>Mary
>>Speed DORTCH (Mecklenburg Co., VA, 17 December 1827) then Sally
>DORTCH
>>(Warren Co., NC, 15 March 1848).
>>
>>5) A DORTCH household in the 1850 Southampton Co., VA, census
>contains
>>William A. (32), Sally (35), Martha (12), Jasper (7), Alvin (5), Tom
>(3).
>>
>>6) William A. DORTCH married Elizabeth A. MISE (Warren Co., NC,
>1854),
>>George W. KING, bondsman. There is a KING-MISE-TANNER family
>cemetery
>>near the property of Lewis POYTHRESS in the vicinity of Blackridge,
>>Mecklenburg Co., VA.
>>
>>7) Alvin DORTCH married Tennesse Jordan GLOVER (Mecklenburg Co., VA,
>>1866) and may have listed parents as William and Sarah.
>>
>>I would like to offer the possibility that your Sarah G. POYTHRESS
>was
>>the girl in the Lewis POYTHRESS household in the 1820 and 1830
>census.
>>We have strong candidates identified for every other child of Lewis
>>POYTHRESS except this daughter. Further, we have so far found no
>>evidence after 1820 for any other branch of POYTHRESS present in
>>Mecklenburg Co., VA. (We are, however, less certain of the absence
>of
>>POYTHRESS branches in Warren Co., NC. Nevertheless, there are many
>cases
>>of Warren Co. marriages of Mecklenburg people.)
>>
>>This is an especially good time to be bringing up the question of
>Dortch
>>connections, since the Lewis POYTHRESS family is getting particular
>>research attention at this time. We look forward to hearing from
>you.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Lyn Poythress Baird
>>llbaird@juno.com
>>
>>
>>_____________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>

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Wallace PoythressWe are looking for information about Wallace Poythress of Meridian, Ms.
Uncertain of the familys origin before 1926 due to adoption of Wallaces son.
If you have any information we would appreciate any response. Also curious of
the Poythress heritage and origins.		08/26/1998 12:10:59
Re: UnsubscribingKeith, thanks for responding. I can understand that if you happen not to
be "into it", all this Poythress mail traffic can be...well...bothersome.
In case you are interested in knowing more about your Poythress
background, we have several folks with ties back to the Meridian area.
These are descendants of one James Edward Poythress who migrated from
Mecklenburg Co, VA, to Sumter Co, AL in approximately January of 1853.
Some of us have lots on his family, so just raise a query if you are
interested.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:51:09 EDT POYTH@aol.com writes:
>well Lyn,
>my fathers name is morris gail poythress, his fathers name is chris
>and they
>were both born in Ms. so was i by the way, i'm not a researcher of any
>kind, i
>was just looking around the web one day for my last name and saw this
>site
>"poythress genealogy" so off i went, and I've been getting e-mail ever
>since.
> my whole family was born in meridian, ms. and i think my dad's
>grandfather is
>from there also.
>well thanks for the reply,
>keith poythress
>

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Pfc. Oliver PoythressA friend of mine has sent me two xeroxed pages out of a book his father had
about
the 102nd Divn. invasion of Germany in WW2.

About a quarter of one page is a line drawing of a GI with Medic's insignia
jumping away from a shell. Title is "Pfc. Oliver Poythress dodges a dud".

If Oliver belongs to any of you I'd be pleased to send this copy along.

Maynard		08/30/1998 6:22:48
Wallace PoythressCharles Neal8/31/98

Dear Robert,

Pattie forwarded me a copy of your (below) message. I have lots of info
about the "Wallace Poythress" you are seeking info on -- John Wallace
Poythress -- and about his family line & current relatives of yours. I
can also try to put you in touch with one or two of Phil's brothers if you
like. But first, if you don't mind, I'd like to be clear on whether
Thompson is your last name or middle name, and also to be clear on your
father's full name (Perhaps his last name was Poythress & may have been
changed when he was adopted?). Also, in what area do you live?

I am distantly kin to you, and am currently living in the Los Angeles area
due to a job transfer, though I grew up as a Poythress in Birmingham,
Alabama.

Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN, for short)
> > >

Thank you so much Pattie for your help. I know that the Wallace Poythress I
am
looking for had a son named Phil. He was a close friend of my Aunts when
they
all went to Ole Miss. and my fathers step brother. I lost track of him
years
ago. He would be about 56 at this time. My grandmothers name was Martha
Lois
Corbitt and was married to Wallace for a short time around 1926 when my
father
was born but they were then divorced and my father was adopted by his step
father. My fathers name is Robert David. I am looking for information about
my
grandfather and his ancestors-names-dates-where they lived etc. I would
appreciate any information I could get from any of my long lost cousins.
Please let me hear from you all. Thanks, Robert Thompson		08/31/1998 8:27:51
Pfc. Oliver PoythressCharles NealI've never run into Oliver, but would sure like to know where he fits in
the overall picture.

BPN

08/31/1998 10:45:24
Surnames in EnglandCharles NealBelow is a quote I just read in the Los Angeles Westside Genealogical
Society Newsletter for Sept '98, quoting from __Antiqueweek__, July 1,
1996. I have serious doubts that this quote presents accurate information,
but I don't actually know it to be erroneous info. Do any of you,
particularly our Listers in Great Britain, have any idea whether or not the
following is correct? If so, I would welcome your comments. It could have
bearing on our searching of British records for the various spellings found
so far for possible Poythress progenitors. Thanks -

Barbara Poythress Neal 9/4/98

> > >

"In 1463, King Edward V of England made it obligatory for all his subjects
to have a surname: 'They shall take unto themselves a surname either of
some town or colour as Black, or Brown, or some art or science as Carpenter
or Butler.'"		09/04/1998 9:04:07
Wm. Poythress of SavannahCharles Neal9-6-98

Maynard & All,
Re:
>Martha suggests a comprehensive line for investigation, namely that the
elder William (b. 1800) was the son of George Poythress of Burke County by
his first wife .....which is a matter likely to be of interest for the
Lewis descendents since we know that Lewis and George were brothers. . .
My revision may well be a matter of more interest than importance. . . So,
despite the fact that we now will have leads "backwards" from William, he
remains, genealogical speaking, a dead end for us. <

Those leads we can find "backwards" are so frequently scarce, and it could
well be THOSE leads that will eventually help us pin down who was related
to who. An example that has done us a great assist in that regard, was the
finding of George's will in which he referred to his brother Lewis who
lived in Virginia. . . Let's hope such backward-leads keep on a-coming!

BPN		09/06/1998 3:51:38
Wm. Poythress of SavannahI will shortly be rewriting the commentary portion of this posting of the
estate papers of William Poythress of Savannah who died in 1828.

I had a very long and productive conversation with Martha Dixon this week.
Martha was kind enough to have reviewed the original write-up, applied her own
considerable brain power and reached some interesting conclusions. While all
of this new evidence is in large part circumstantial.....the fact is that
several pieces are supported by simply overwhelming circumstantial evidence.

One instance, for example, is the observation that makes it about 95% that the
two children William and Sarah who appear in the Savannah death index are
indeed the children of William and Sarah the adults. The key to this
deduction, which I had overlooked, was the death of young William in the Fall
following his father's death in the Spring. In the estate papers Sarah the
adult is referred to as childless ("there being no heirs") so that left young
William "unassigned" and with no other Poythresses in sight. I promptly
"disconnnected" them.

The point I had missed was the fact that this particular reference is recorded
in the FOLLOWING year.....thus making it possible for Sarah and William to
have been the parents of young William. Combined with other circumstances, to
my mind this is no longer only "possible" but now highly probable.

Martha suggests a comprehensive line for investigation, namely that the elder
William (b. 1800) was the son of George Poythress of Burke County by his first
wife (name as yet unknown but there is a "trail" Martha suggests). Martha has
a wealth of other leads with respect to George in particular.....which is a
matter likely to be of
interest for the Lewis descendents since we know that Lewis and George were
brothers.

My revision may well be a matter of more interest than importance. William
died and his two children died in childhood. Wife Sarah wins an unclaimed lot
in the 1832 land lottery and otherwise disappears. So, despite the fact that
we now will have leads "backwards" from William, he remains, genealogical
speaking, a dead end for us.

Once again Martha Dixon has provided us with a valuable sense of direction
with respect to those folks. I expressed the appreciation of the group and
once again
asked if there was a chance she might be getting on-line. Alice, I think you
have got your work cut out for you here. 🙂

Maynard		09/06/1998 5:22:18
Poythress InfobillMy name is Doris Burke Odom and I am looking for the parents of Nathaniel
Happer Poythress and his wife Rachel Flake. They both lived in Screven
County in the late 1900's. One of their daughters, Effie, married my
grandfather Sidney Burke of Jenkins County GA. Thank you for your time.

Grannie_d @msn.com		09/07/1998 11:19:05
Poythress InfoCharles Neal9-11-98

Dear Doris,

Re your message
>My name is Doris Burke Odom and I am looking for the parents of Nathaniel
Happer Poythress and his wife Rachel Flake. They both lived in Screven
County in the late 1900's. One of their daughters, Effie, married my
grandfather Sidney Burke of Jenkins County GA. Thank you for your time.
Grannie_d @msn.com<

Did you mean to say they lived there in the late 1800s rather than 1900s or
was the typographical error on some other digit? If you can you give us a
better idea of when they lived there, please, it would help.

I know that one of our List folks is aware of a different Flake-Poythress
union, and hope he will speak up, too. I confess I haven't run into any
reference to Nathaniel Happer Poythress before, and am intrigued by his
name. I look forward to learning more about when he lived and what you (or
anyone else) may know about him. Perhaps someone would also recognize
their daughter Effie Poythress, or one of her siblings, if you could give
us names & dates they lived, to help us out.

Barbara Poythress Neal		09/11/1998 11:09:02
Re: Poythress InfoRe: Nathaniel Happer Poythress & Rachel Flake, Screven County.

Dear Doris:

I have a fairly comprehensive collection of all the Poythresses and related
names in Screven for all the years of the census that exist. I have searched
it completely.
I am drawing a complete blank on anything that even resembles these folks.
(While it wouldn't make any difference I'm inclined to ask if that Happer is
not a typo that should have been Harper as I remember seeing a census with
some Harper folks in Screven although I don't have those records. I'm also
proceeding on Barbara Neal's assumption that you meant late 1800's and not
late 1900's. I don't even have a Poythress in all those censuses with an "N"
as the first initial or a first name that begins with "N".

Figuring that these folks, assuming they were there, simply got missed by the
census (in those years following Mr. Lincoln's War a lot of them simply
avoided the census takers by whatever means) I looked for a possible set of
parents for Nathaniel. No luck there either.....but a shot in the dark is:

Screven County 1860 census: Family # 36, Household # 36
Wm. Flake 44 M Farmer Ga.
A. E. 30 F "
S. A. 12 F "
Mary A. 10 F "
Virginia 8 F "
Louis 7 M "
Wm. A. 5 M "
Victoria 1 F "

It is conceivable ( no pun intended) looking at the entry above that William
Flake and wife "A. E." could have had another child in one of the following
years, named her Rachel and she later became Nathaniel's Poythress'es wife.

Another shot in the dark: that low number (#36) for the family name and
household suggests a location in far southern Screven County. If you have
the Effingham County census available you might want to check it. Effingham
is immediately south of Screven and I have seen instances where people bounced
from one county to the other for "census" purposes.....and there were about as
many Poythress'es in Effingham as there were in Screven so that's a
possibility.

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Maynard Poythress		09/12/1998 4:56:11
Virginia State DocumentsBelow transcribed from Jul/Aug 1998 Library of Virginia newsletter. Maynard

FREE PUBLICATION LISTS STATE OFFERINGS

The 1997 edition of Virginia State Documents is a listing of the books,
pamphlets,
reports and maps by state agencies. The annual publication of Virginia State
Documents is a service of the Library of Virginia's Government Documents
Program.
The accuracy of the publication depends on the information provided to the
Library by state agencies as mandated by the Code of Virginia. The free
publication offers a
permanent record of all documents in print as of July 1997. The Library's
State Documents webpage at http://vsla.edu/statedocs provides information on
new publiciations available after July 1, 1997.

Virginia State Documents reveals the wealth of informative state publications
on topics ranging from Excerpts of Virginia Labor Laws to Fish Virginia to the
Babysitter's Guide. To obtain a copy of Virginia State Documents, please
write the
Library of Virginia, 800 East Broad Street, Richmond, Virginia 23219.		09/15/1998 5:20:34
Virginia Wills>From July/Aug 1998 issue of Library of Virginia newsletter, below is
transcription of article. Maynard

RESEARCHERS CAN SEARCH VIRGINIA WILLS ONLINE

The Library of Virginia now has available online a fully searchable database
for the Virginia probate and estate records prior to 1800. The database
replicates the Electronic Card Index of the same name with the addition of the
following counties:
Bedford, Essex, Fluvanna, Lancaster, Orange, Powhatan, Richmond, Spottsylvania
and York. The Will Books and Order Books for 50 Virginia counties were
examined by library staff for recorded wills, administrations, inventories,
and other recorded documents related to estates of individuals. Lawsuits are
not included.

The documents include wills from a number of counties where the original
records no longer exist. Each of the more that 75,000 entries contains the
name of the deceased, the county, the type of document, the date the document
was recorded and references to the source in which the recorded document can
be found. The microfilm number for each document also is indicated. There is
a separate record for each source.

To search the database go to http://vsla.edu, scroll down to Research and
Information Resources and click on Online Catalogs and Image Databases. Then
go to Digital Collections and Images and click on all databases and click on
Wills &
Administrations (Torrence).		09/15/1998 5:20:35
Screven County Page - RootswebRootsweb has created a Screven County, Georgia page. I got the information
from John Peavy who runs an informal "Ogeechee" listserver for the 3 counties
that the Ogeechee R. runs through (Burke, Screven, & Bulloch).....so I don't
even know who is the list-meister yet.

Judging by the Burke page which gets a single message about twice a month, I'm
not exactly expecting the Screven page to jam my mail box.

If you are just looking for some mail, sign on. If not no big deal, I'll be
picking it up and will relay any Poythress information.

Digest subscription is: GASCREVE-D-request@rootsweb.com ......subject and
message is only >subscribe<

Maynard		09/21/1998 10:22:26
LVA WillsI have looked up the Poythress wills listed in the new Library of Virginia
database.
There are 9 colonial Poythress references although all the documents are not
wills; some are related estate papers. Of these, suprisingly we only have one
which is the Joshua Poythress will of 1739.

I am today ordering photocopies of the ones we don't have and will transcribe
them
for the webpage when I receive them. So, unless you just want photocopies of
your own, you can pass on this expense.

Maynard		09/22/1998 7:09:17
LVA WillsCharles Neal9-22-98

Maynard,

SUPER !! And for the benefit of those of us who have been tied up in the
middle of the dust and disruption of having walls destroyed for a bathroom
renovation (like me), or otherwise preoccupied from visiting said site,
would you mind listing for us all the appearances of the name at the LVA
Wills site? Sure would appreciate it.

Thanks,
BPN		09/22/1998 9:43:37
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Thanks

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Re: Please unsubscribeNicola....y'all come back now, ya heah? (that's quasi-comical Southernism).
Seriously, we need you folks in UK, we have too much bet on you to bring us
home a few generations back of Francis! Announce your presence when you come
back on, would you. Best,

Maynard Poythress

09/23/1998 4:53:39
Re: LVA WillsBarb, it contains 4 Mary, 2 William, 1 each Joshua, John & Edward......but
remember, not all are wills, some are will administration related documents.
There is considerable technical "identification" and "locating" data listed
under each although no abstracts or transcriptions. Those you order via mail
(unless you want to go to Richmond I suppose) and they are the ones I have
ordered and will transcribe.

The site is a snap to get to. (Well, I guess its a snap if one has the
directions) For those who may have missed it the first time:

http://vsla.edu
Click "Resource and Information Services"
Click "On-line Catalogs and Image Databases"
Click "Digital Collections and Image Databases"
Click "All Databases"
Click "Wills & Administrations (Torrence)"
Type "Poythress" in the search box and click...up comes the P. list.
You may then click on each individual and learn what the papers are and
location for each.

Maynard		09/23/1998 5:09:19
LVAWow! Take a look at the coming attractions. Guys like me with zilch technical
ability, send checks. Guys like Lyn, et al, volunteer! 🙂

Maynard

>>>
Subj: Volunteers needed by LVA to review...
Date: 9/23/98 10:55:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: eroderic@vsla.edu (Elizabeth Roderick)
Sender: va-roots@vsla.edu
Reply-to: eroderic@vsla.edu
To: va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu (Multiple recipients of list)

Greetings - the Library of Virginia is getting ready to release
numerous new Digital Library products this fall, and we could use
some assistance from those of you who will ultimately be the
users of these products.

Specifically, I need some volunteers to take a look at the "work
in progress" and provide feedback regarding the design,
"user-friendliness," navigation, context, etc.

The first products include a new and improved Guide to Virginia
County Court Records on Microfilm, a guide to funerary art and
headstone inscriptions in the Northern Neck, an accession
analysis of the Library's Equal Suffrage League Collection, and a
Guide to Selected Women's History Resources in our collection.

If you would be willing to take some time to look at these
products, please send me a PRIVATE email message (please do not
reply back to the lists!), and I will send you the URL's for the
resources, as well as a list of questions we would like you to
consider.

The next batch will include a new interface to the Confederate
Pensions and the images of the actual documents. Also, document
images will soon be available for Revolutionary War Bounty
Warrants, RW Rejected Claims, RW Pensions, Dunmore's War, Mutual
Assurance Society policies, and S. Bassett French.

New collections soon to be released are the War History
Commission Project, the Henley Marriage and Obituary Database,
the Confederate Disability Applications Project, the WPA Life
Histories Project, an index to Petersburg-area newspapers, and
more.

Thanks for all your help!

Elizabeth

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The LVA Digital Library Project		09/23/1998 5:13:39
Re: LVA WillsCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks so much.
BPN

09/23/1998 8:13:50
Wm Poythress- KY willBarb, in looking over your e-mail of 3/22, after having mailed my request
several weeks ago to Kentucky Archives, it strikes me that this is in all
probability NOT a
will of Wm. Poythress who DIED in Virginia.....it's a Wm. Poythress "of Prince
George" who actually died on or around the cited date (2 Sept 1794)....and
furthermore, died IN Kentucky....even though he might have made the will in
Prince George Co. Would one of those guys have toted his will around with
him? Seemingly, not likely. It's my impression they stayed in the
courthouse. But on the other hand, the "specs" of the location of the thing
sure suggest that it's a KY will.

I suppose we'll see in another million years when KY Archives sends me a copy.
I'm
making it 4 to 1 they can't (or say they can't) find it....just had too many
experiences in Peoples Republic of Kentucky....this place is "not my yob, mon"
headquarters.

Maybe this increases the probability of a kinship to Rev. Francis Poythress?
I think I shall then have to go over to Frankfort (no big deal) and run down
the paperwork from all those lawsuits that "Joshua" was involved in. The KY
order form clearly implies that if they have to do any work, they ain't gonna
do it. Maybe I can lever myself in the door and find it myself.

Maynard		09/24/1998 7:58:46
Estate of Wm Poythress - 1828I am sending a revised copy of this estate documentation to Al Tims to replace
the existing one on the webpage.

Two significant changes, both due to some heavy duty thinking from Martha
Dixon for which I'm most appreciative:

1) the circumstantial case for the two child deaths in Savannah being the son
and daughter of this William Poythress is very strong. I had ruled out
William, Jr. being the son of William because widow Sarah describes the estate
as "having no other heirs". Well, it DIDN'T have any other heirs a year
LATER (1829) after son William had died at age 6. But Sarah was petitioning
the court PRIOR in 1828 "in behalf of the heirs". I'm still shaking my head
over Martha digging that one out. I thought I had read those papers to death.

2)Listed are 3 conjectured possiblities for the parentage of William, the
principal one being George Poythress of Burke County. Although unproven and
not even demonstrated circumstantial, George as father certainly becomes a
decent "fit" with a minimum of "forcing". Martha and I worked this one out on
the phone. You may choose to deem it "conjured" instead of "conjectured" since
it manufactures the desired link to Lewis Poythress In Virginia but it looked
decent to us. No claims are made but the avenue is suggested for further
research.

Best,

Maynard		09/26/1998 6:38:28
Estate of Wm Poythress - 1828Charles NealMaynard,

Look forward to seeing the revised estate documentation. Perhaps it was in
a separate message you were sending, and I happened to pick up messages
before it actually got sent?

BPN

09/26/1998 12:24:34
Wm Poythress- KY willCharles NealMaynard,

Re your message that included ". . . Kentucky Archives, it strikes me that
this is in all probability NOT a will of Wm. Poythress who DIED in
Virginia.....it's a Wm. Poythress "of Prince George" who actually died on
or around the cited date (2 Sept 1794)....and
furthermore, died IN Kentucky....even though he might have made the will in
Prince George Co. Would one of those guys have toted his will around with
him? Seemingly, not likely. It's my impression they stayed in the
courthouse. But on the other hand, the "specs" of the location of the
thing sure suggest that it's a KY will.<

Of course we'll have to wait until we truly get a look at this thing, but I
suspect that it could be a similar situation to what we know had been filed
in Burke Co, GA: a COPY of the will of George Poythress, planter, of
Jackson Co, Florida. The original estate entry including copy of the will
was still in Florida when I tracked it down. However in the intervening
time, a COPY had been filed in Burke Co, and apparently was lost there when
records were destroyed in Burke Co's various calamities.

Since Prince George Co, VA also had numerous calamities, if a COPY of
William Poythress of Prince George was put on file in KY for ANY reason, it
could still be there for us to discover.

And Maynard, re the part of your message that said: " Maybe this increases
the probability of a kinship to Rev. Francis Poythress? I think I shall
then have to go over to Frankfort (no big deal) and run down the paperwork
from all those lawsuits that "Joshua" was involved in. The KY order form
clearly implies that if they have to do any work, they ain't gonna do it.
Maybe I can lever myself in the door and find it myself."

Yes, it could well increase the probability of connecting Rev. Francis
Poythress AND the lawsuits could well connect Joshua. Well worth checking
out in person.

Remaining hopeful,
BPN		09/27/1998 10:58:41
LVA LectureGee....lots of notice!....but if anybody gonna be in the Holy City Thursday
this one looks worth the time. Best, Maynard

Subj: LVA Common Wealth Lecture Series
Date: 9/28/98 4:40:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: btarter@vsla.edu (Brent Tarter)
Sender: va-roots@vsla.edu
Reply-to: btarter@vsla.edu

To: va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu (Multiple recipients of list)
The Library of Virginia is pleased to announce that the
next program in its 1998 Common Wealth Lecture Series will
feature the renowned speaker Elizabeth Shown Mills, editor
of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly. She will
speak at 5:30 on Thursday, 1 October 1998, in the Lecture
Hall adjacent to the main lobby of the Library of Virginia
at 800 East Broad Street in downtown Richmond, Virginia.

Mills's lecture is entitled "Tracing Families in a Heinz 57
World: Old Myths, Modern Methods."

Elizabeth Shown Mills has been vice president of the Board
for Certification of Genealogists, is a founding member of
the Genealogical Speakers Guild, and is a member of the
faculty of the National Institute on Genealogical Research
at the National Archives. Her most recent book on
researching family history is entitled Evidence.

The Common Wealth Lecture Series is free and open to the
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This program is made possible with funds provided by the
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For further information about this and other programs at
the Library of Virginia, please visit our web site at
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Brent Tarter
The Library of Virginia
btarter@vsla.edu		09/28/1998 1:05:30
Mrs. Frank GrassI know I have been saying this for 5 years but I can't resist one last shot.
My guess is they have to be long gone by now but maybe there is a kid left
hanging around.
Anyway, it's on 64 cents to try! Maynard

>>>
September 29, 1998

Family of Mr. or Mrs.
Frank Grass
2506 N. W. 66th Street
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73116

Dear Sir or Madam:

I am enclosing some copies of previous letters written to Mr. or Mrs.Grass.
Mrs. Grass spent many years of her life researching the genealogy of my family
and others in Screven and Burke Counties, Georgia.

I have seen some of her work. What little I have seen is outstanding. Mrs.
Grass did original and valuable research which cannot now be duplicated.

To, be sure some of her remaining files may appear to be assorted junk papers
but I assure you I would like very much to try to organize the remainder of
Mrs. Grass' work and present it to the Georgia Archives to be available to
future generations of researchers and historians. I'm confident that is
likely to be what Mrs. Grass would have wanted herself.

So, may I appeal to you to see if any of her papers still exist? Would you
mail them to me? If the papers have sentimental value to you I will be
pleased to return them in the original condition after photo-copying them. I
will be most pleased to reimburse you for any cost you might incur: postage,
copying, whatever.

Thanking you in advance for your needed help in this matter. I am enclosing a
self addressed stamped envelope in case you would like to reply to me as to
the best way to have Mrs. Grass' papers preserved for the Georgia Department
of Archives and History.

Sincerely,

John M. Poythress

Enc.		09/29/1998 6:52:07
Our Stanley Cousins - A Second CorrectionI recently got to review the microfilm of this citation and found the age
of George M. Stanley to be 24, not 21 as transcribed. No other errors
detected. Benjamin owned $1200 of real and $5000 of personal property.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: llbaird
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Our Stanley Cousins - A Correction
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:37:22 -0500
Message-ID: <19980805.144450.12766.1.llbaird@juno.com>
References: <19980804.094942.3510.0.llbaird@juno.com>

For any interested, that line number should have been line 1 rather than
line 24.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:49:40 -0500 llbaird@juno.com writes:
>The following is a census record of the household of Rebecca L.
>Poythress STANLEY, daughter of Lewis Poythress (ca. 1765 - 1846) of
>Mecklenburg Co., Va.:
>
>1860 Federal Census, Brunswick Co., Va., Meherrin Parish, Crichton
>Store P.O., 20 June 1860
>(roll 1337, page 616, line 24)
>Benjamin Stanley, 60, M, Farmer
>Rebecca L. Stanley, 52, F
>George M. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>Sarah F. Stanley, 23, F
>Benjamin L. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>John D. Stanley, 20, M
>Martha B. J. Stanley, 14, F
>James W. Stanley, 10, M
>All in the household were born in Virginia. (As I recall this is the
>only Stanley I found in the indices in the counties of Brunswick,
>Mecklenburg or Lunenburg in 1860.)
>
>Placing the above information with that of the 7/11/98 messages from
>Helene Pockrus, Craig Scott, and Barbara Neal regarding Confederate
>soldiers William F. Poythress and J. D. Stanley, consider the
>following possibility: This William F. Poythress is actually William
>Lewis Poythress, eldest son of Thomas M. Poythress and grandson of
>Lewis Poythress. (Guessing from census records, this William Lewis
>Poythress would have been about 16 years of age in 1862.) This J. D.
>Stanley is actually John D. Stanley, son of Benjamin Stanley and
>grandson of Lewis Poythress. J. D. enlists in Virginia May 1862 then
>takes leave in January 1863. Later His younger cousin William
>substitutes for him, catching up with the company in South Carolina in
>October 1863. The record keepers get things all mixed up, putting one
>cousin's information on the card of the other. And the rest, as they
>say, is dis-history.
>
>Crichton (pronounced CRAY-ton) Store, later known as Temple's Store
>and now defunct, is in southwestern Brunswick Co., less than five
>miles east of Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., confirmed home of Thomas M.
>Poythress and probable home of Lewis Poythress.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
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Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]		10/02/1998 6:33:03
1860 Edward P. and Lewis Y. P.Here are transcriptions I just did from microfilm:

1860 Granville, NC; Abrams Planes (sic) District; Sasafras Fork PO; Reel
???, Sheet 393, Line 6; household 645; taken 31 August 1860

Johnson, Rebecca, age 65, female mulatto
Paithress, Edward, age 85, female mulatto, overseer, real $0, personal
$300, born VA
Paithress, Mahaly, age 53, female white, born VA
Paithress, Elizabeth, age 22, female, white, born VA

My analysis: The census taker has Edward in the wrong household (should
be to himself, not with Rebecca Johnson). wrong age, wrong gender and
maybe wrong race...but no doubt he's our Edward Poythress.

1860 Greensville, VA; ??? District; Hicksford PO (now Emporia); Reel ???,
Sheet 600, Line 38; household 312; taken 6 August 1860

Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, white, overseer, real $0, personal $50
Poythress, Mary C., age 50, female, white
Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, white
Chiles, Elizabeth, age 15, female, white

My analysis: This matches our Lewis Y. P. well and reinforces our
understanding that it is this Lewis Y. Poythress, the SON, who marries
Mary C. Ferguson in 1846.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: 1860 Edward P. and Lewis Y.Lyn,

Many thanks for this additional data on Edward and Lewis.

My records show the marriage date of Edward and Mahaley Nance as 10 Dec.
1828. Marriage Records: 1811-1853 Mecklenburg Co. VA
The marriage bond is dated 2 Nov1828.
Minister: James Smith
Surety: William Drumwright

The marriage of Lewis Y. and Mary C. Ferguson is 20 July 1846.
Ibid.
Surety: William A. Dortch

Then there is a marriage record of Lewis Poythress, perhaps the father of
Lewis Y.(?), to Martha E. Walker in July 1846. The minister is James McAden.
Ibid.

Best, Barbara (BPW)		10/03/1998 5:14:55
1860 Edward P. and Lewis Y. P.Charles NealLyn,

Thanks for the interesting addition of Census info on these fellows & their
households. Anyone have any ideas about the Chiles gals?

BPN

10/04/1998 6:03:05
Re: A voice from the pastLou.....boy, I'll say, "from the past" that is, if you have been lurking the
list along you're about the most disciplined lurker I've ever seen....not a
peep. Anyway.....

1. Welcome back, help me find a muse of fire for these folks, would you?
Feels like I'm talking to myself about half the time.

2. I'm printing your e-mail and saving it for a trip to Va. in mid-Jan. (of
all God-forsaken times) to an Elderhostel course. This one will be in
Richmond at some
motel next door to Va. Commonweath Univ. and will be only a single heavy dose
course instead of the customary 3. Topic will be Va. Genealogy.

I'm assuming I can get in, have sort of had my forward schedule on hold and
will see a Dr. tomorrow about a minor piece of surgery. I suspect it won't
interfere with trip. I'll put the syllabus up on the page next day or two and
let you all eat your hearts out. Imagine $ 425 for 6 days.....motel, meals,
and Library of Virginia lecturers, and an educational tour with instruction on
how to use the place. Shoot, I'm not sure I can live at home that cheaply.
I'll put up Elderhostel's adds. etc. in case any others from the geezer
generation would be interested. (although their definition of geezers is
fairly liberal.....55 and up).

3. In additon to my asking about Ft. Tillman while in Va. maybe we can rattle
the cages of Al who was demonstrated cartographer extraordinaire (probably
have to reach him via seance) and Lea Dowd who is resident expert on the
American Indian bunch up around there.

4. And say, a lady looked me up the other day chasing that Ann Poythress/John
Wall marriage. Isn't that your baliwick? I offered her a copy of the Batte
chart which she took after a bit of hesitation....after all, "V. K. Ratliff"
is a fairly ominous sounding
"handle". I gave her the listserver adds and suggested she post her query.
Her name is Joann Bevan and I forgot her e-mail address. AOL saves your stuff
in file but not addresses. Anyway, if she shows up on the list guide her to
your material would you? My impression was that while she was not new to
genealogy she was perhaps new to the net.

Great to hear from you, Lou, and if I can stir up anything on Ft. Tillman I'll
get back to you in late January (which is most certainly not to imply that we
won't be expecting to hear from you again prior to that).

Best,

Maynard		10/04/1998 6:58:00
U. S. Topographic Survey MapsI had been meaning to post this resource for the very few of you who may have
not heard about it.

The most popular size in which people order "topographical" maps from the U.
S. Geological Survey is 7.5 "minutes" by 7.5 minutes. For perspective, a
"minute", geographically speaking is something a little less than a mile.
Typically, these maps show roads, streams, occasional churches, schools, etc.
They also show elevation contours in 10' increments but elevation contours are
only seldom of much importance to the genealogist.

A "topo" (map) is about 24" x 24" to show about 7 square miles so as you can
see
the scale is very nice to locate home sites, churches, graveyards, etc. And
if you already have the "location" spotted on your map, it's easy to figure
out the coordinates for something of a universal and perpetual "citation" of
exact location.

To get a "catalog" phone 1-800-USA-MAPS and leave your name and address with a
recorder saying which state or states you are interested in. They will send
you
(eventually) an "index" map of each state referring to each topo by name, a
map list
showing coordinates for each topo, and an order blank. An individual topo is
$ 4
and there are other sizes and varities and maps also reasonably priced. I
have ordered these maps for years starting back when I was canoeing in the
boonies and they are little gems. Only caveat is to be prepared to be patient
when dealing with U.S.G.S. If they were operating in a real marketplace they
would belly-up in about 30 days. You may have to call several times and ask
the recorder to follow up on getting the right stuff.

I hope this resource will be useful to some of you. I know that through the
years I have made excellent use of them for several purposes.

Maynard		10/04/1998 7:19:29
A voice from the pastCharles Neal10-4-98

Welcome back. Interesting observations re Fort Tilman, Pettypools,
Poythresses, et al. I don't know if you've already tried this: while I
have not been able to check, on any regular basis, any of Carol Morrison's
sites for the southside VA counties, but perhaps someone on one of those
places, or on VA-HIST or VA-ROOTS (which I also don't currently subscribe
to), could enlighten us further.

BPN		10/04/1998 7:25:39
ElderhostelFor those of us over 55 (or with a "companion" over 55....and the time)
Elderhostel offers really neat one week educational programs including motel
and meals for anywhere from $350 to $400 for a full week. Courses are usually
taught by local experts from nearby colleges and universities. Typically a
week involves three courses.....no prerequisites, no exams, no hassle.....with
lots of "off" time and voluntary organized tours of local sites related in
some way to one of the courses. Sometimes there is one concentrated course.
For example, I am to sign my wife and myself up for a course in Richmond Jan
24-29. Its a "single"; i. e. one concentrated course. The description in the
catalog is:

"WITH ROOTS IN VIRGINIA: HISTORY, FAMILIES, AND THE PRACTICE OF GENEALOGY."

"Many families have ancestral ties to Virginia through its role in American
History. The highly qualified staff of the Library of Virginia is offering a
comprehensive course
on the research tools for the practicing and amateur historian and
genealogist. They will lead us through an overview of Virginia history and
geography, then introduce us to their diverse collection of historical
records, instructing us on methods for tracing your family's history using
court, census, bible, military and church records, tax lists, maps,
genealogical notes, personal papers, and other printed manuscript,
microfilmed, and computer materials. Includes instruction, tours, and time
for research at the Library of Virginia. Program charge $ 425.(includes
meals, lodging)"

Other courses are not so formal.....and are at locations more exotic than
Richmond in January.

For those of you who may be interested a wealth of information and a request
for a printed catalog may be secured from Elderhostel's web site:
www.elderhostel.org

Hope this is interesting to some of you.

Maynard		10/04/1998 7:43:29
pettipoolejean spilleInteresting finding on the web;
http://www.mindspring.com/~baumbach/ppoole/Ppoole3.htm

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Colonial Pettypool-Poole-P'Pool Families

William Pettypool[2] (of William[1] ) (died 1726) married
Elizabeth

More than one-half century later, in 1720, it was probably William[1]
and Ann's son, our William Pettypool[2] who proved a
Henrico County, Virginia deed (12) of Charles Russell to John Bolling
(1720). and "He says he knew said Russell in
Virginia and that he is same person who married the widow of John
Davis." These records may refer to descendents of
the same John Davis of York County, Virginia, who was the master of
William and Ann Smith Pettypool. A Richard Smith and
a second John Davis were on the jury for the theft incident. John Davis
died in c1764, and his wife, Mary remarried to Thomas
Holder who died soon thereafter in c1768:

William Pettipool proves deed from Oct. 1720 of Charles Russell to
John Bolling. He says he knew said
Russell in Virginia and that he is same person who married the
widow of John Davis.

Richard Smith proves deed of Oct. 1720 of Charles Russell to John
Bolling.

John Evans proves deed of Oct. 1720 from Charles Russell to John
Bolling. Bolling says that when deed
was made Russell was a resident of South Carolina.

William Pettypool[2] was on a grand jury (13)in 1694 and the militia in
1701 in Charles City County, Virginia (14). In 1711
William had 65 acres surveyed on the south side of Monk's Neck Creek,
which was adjacent to land he leased to Joseph
Stroud in 1711, in Prince George County (formed from Charles City County
in 1703) near Fort Tillman (15).

A List of all surveys made in Prince George county from June 1710
to June 10, 1712 by Robert Bolling,
Surveyor:

March 5, 1711 for William Pettyool on south side of Maccosonock
Creek adjacent to his own land, 65
acres

William Pettypoole and Elizabeth of Bristol Parish, Prince George
County to Joseph Stroud of same,
lease to Stroud, 70 acres on south side of Monkosaneck Creek,
bounded by David Williams, for three
years; 11 Jun 1711 [Elizabeth was also referred to as Sarah] signed
William (M) Pettypeoole, Eliz (C)
Pettypoole; Witness Richard Smith, Fran. Mallory; recorded 10 July
1711

William Pettypoole Sr was a legatee to land on Monk's Neck Creek in the
1717 will of Thomas Parham (16). Thomas'
mother, Susannah Tillman (died c1716), married Thomas Parham, Sr. and
Roger Tillman (died c1690) (17). Susannah's son,
George Tillman, witnessed the will of William[2] Pettypool in 1721. The
relationship of the Parhams and Tillmans to William
[2] Pettypool is unclear.

William Pettypool patented 242 acres on Monk's Neck Creek in 1717 and
1724 (18, 19):

William Pettypoole, 65 acres of new land in Prince George County,
on south side of Moccoso-neck Creek,
adjoining his own, formerly Henry King's land; 15 Jul 1717

William Pettypool, Sr., 177 acres on lower side of Glancys Quarter
branch of Moccosoneck Creek,
adjoining his old land; Robert Bolling, surveyor; 17 Nov 1722

William Pettypool's will, dated 09/13/1721 in Prince George County,
named wife, Elizabeth, sons William[3] and Seth[3], and
daughters Anne[3] Massey and Mary[3] Broadway (20). The birthdates of
William[2] and Elizabeth Pettypool's children have
not been documented (21). William bequeathed land on Monk's Neck Creek
to grandson William Massey, and "the
remainder of my land" to granddaughter Martha Massey "after my wife's
death". William and Anne Massey's parents,
Richard and Anne[3] Pettypool Massey, also purchased land from Joseph
Stroud on Monk's Neck Creek in 1724 (21).

References Cited

(12) Henrico County, Virginia Deeds 1706-1737, pp. 57, 119, 152, In:
Weisiger BB III (1985) Henrico County, Virginia
Deeds 1706-1733, Richmond, VA, pp. 169, 170, 172. [return]

(13) Charles City County, Virginia Court Order Book 1687-1695, p. 521,
In: Weisiger BB III (1980) Charles City County,
Virginia Court Orders 1678-1695, Richmond, VA, p. 185. [return]

(14) Bockstruck, LD (1988) Virginia's Colonial Soldiers, Genealogical
Publishing. County, Baltimore, MD, p. 215. [return]

(15) Prince George County, Virginia Ledger Book B, p. 50, In: Weisiger
BB III (1992) Prince George County, Virginia
Wills & Deeds, 1710-1713, Richmond, VA, p. 8; Prince George County,
Virginia Record Book Part V, p. 749, In: Weisiger
BB III (1973) Prince George County, Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728,
Richmond, VA, p. 90. [return]

(16) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part II, p. 168-169, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973), Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 22 [return]

(17) Boddie JB (1957) Kendrick of Gloucester, Co, Viginia and North
Carolina, In: Historical Southern Families, vol. I,
Genealogical. Publishing. Co, Baltimore, MD, p. 38. [return]

(18) Virginia Land Patent Book 10, p. 338 [Prince George County], In:
Nugent NM (1979) Cavaliers and Pioneers.
Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1769-1732, vol. 3,
Virginia State Library, Richmond, VA, p. 195. [return]

(19) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part V, p.760, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973) Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 97; Virginia Land
Patent Book 12, p. 62 [Prince George County],
In: Nugent NM (1979) Cavaliers and Pioneers. Abstracts of Virginia Land
Patents and Grants, 1769-1732, vol. 3,
Virginia State Library, Richmond, VA, p. 269.[return]

(20) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part VI, p. 972, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973), Prince George County,
Virginia Wills and Deeds 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, pp. 128-129. [return]

(21) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part V, pp. 766-768, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973) Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 101. [return]

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RE: pettipooleJames L. PooleJean, you've found me out! In fact, George Baumbach, whose page you cite,
is one of my principal Pettipool collaborators. It was he who brought up
Fort Tilman in our discovery, and he's promised to send me more information
on the place after he digs through his notes. You've definitely homed in on
the right William Pettipool!

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: jean spille [mailto:jspille@bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 9:48 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: pettipoole

Interesting finding on the web;
http://www.mindspring.com/~baumbach/ppoole/Ppoole3.htm

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Colonial Pettypool-Poole-P'Pool Families

William Pettypool[2] (of William[1] ) (died 1726) married
Elizabeth

More than one-half century later, in 1720, it was probably William[1]
and Ann's son, our William Pettypool[2] who proved a
Henrico County, Virginia deed (12) of Charles Russell to John Bolling
(1720). and "He says he knew said Russell in
Virginia and that he is same person who married the widow of John
Davis." These records may refer to descendents of
the same John Davis of York County, Virginia, who was the master of
William and Ann Smith Pettypool. A Richard Smith and
a second John Davis were on the jury for the theft incident. John Davis
died in c1764, and his wife, Mary remarried to Thomas
Holder who died soon thereafter in c1768:

William Pettipool proves deed from Oct. 1720 of Charles Russell to
John Bolling. He says he knew said
Russell in Virginia and that he is same person who married the
widow of John Davis.

Richard Smith proves deed of Oct. 1720 of Charles Russell to John
Bolling.

John Evans proves deed of Oct. 1720 from Charles Russell to John
Bolling. Bolling says that when deed
was made Russell was a resident of South Carolina.

William Pettypool[2] was on a grand jury (13)in 1694 and the militia in
1701 in Charles City County, Virginia (14). In 1711
William had 65 acres surveyed on the south side of Monk's Neck Creek,
which was adjacent to land he leased to Joseph
Stroud in 1711, in Prince George County (formed from Charles City County
in 1703) near Fort Tillman (15).

A List of all surveys made in Prince George county from June 1710
to June 10, 1712 by Robert Bolling,
Surveyor:

March 5, 1711 for William Pettyool on south side of Maccosonock
Creek adjacent to his own land, 65
acres

William Pettypoole and Elizabeth of Bristol Parish, Prince George
County to Joseph Stroud of same,
lease to Stroud, 70 acres on south side of Monkosaneck Creek,
bounded by David Williams, for three
years; 11 Jun 1711 [Elizabeth was also referred to as Sarah] signed
William (M) Pettypeoole, Eliz (C)
Pettypoole; Witness Richard Smith, Fran. Mallory; recorded 10 July
1711

William Pettypoole Sr was a legatee to land on Monk's Neck Creek in the
1717 will of Thomas Parham (16). Thomas'
mother, Susannah Tillman (died c1716), married Thomas Parham, Sr. and
Roger Tillman (died c1690) (17). Susannah's son,
George Tillman, witnessed the will of William[2] Pettypool in 1721. The
relationship of the Parhams and Tillmans to William
[2] Pettypool is unclear.

William Pettypool patented 242 acres on Monk's Neck Creek in 1717 and
1724 (18, 19):

William Pettypoole, 65 acres of new land in Prince George County,
on south side of Moccoso-neck Creek,
adjoining his own, formerly Henry King's land; 15 Jul 1717

William Pettypool, Sr., 177 acres on lower side of Glancys Quarter
branch of Moccosoneck Creek,
adjoining his old land; Robert Bolling, surveyor; 17 Nov 1722

William Pettypool's will, dated 09/13/1721 in Prince George County,
named wife, Elizabeth, sons William[3] and Seth[3], and
daughters Anne[3] Massey and Mary[3] Broadway (20). The birthdates of
William[2] and Elizabeth Pettypool's children have
not been documented (21). William bequeathed land on Monk's Neck Creek
to grandson William Massey, and "the
remainder of my land" to granddaughter Martha Massey "after my wife's
death". William and Anne Massey's parents,
Richard and Anne[3] Pettypool Massey, also purchased land from Joseph
Stroud on Monk's Neck Creek in 1724 (21).

References Cited

(12) Henrico County, Virginia Deeds 1706-1737, pp. 57, 119, 152, In:
Weisiger BB III (1985) Henrico County, Virginia
Deeds 1706-1733, Richmond, VA, pp. 169, 170, 172. [return]

(13) Charles City County, Virginia Court Order Book 1687-1695, p. 521,
In: Weisiger BB III (1980) Charles City County,
Virginia Court Orders 1678-1695, Richmond, VA, p. 185. [return]

(14) Bockstruck, LD (1988) Virginia's Colonial Soldiers, Genealogical
Publishing. County, Baltimore, MD, p. 215. [return]

(15) Prince George County, Virginia Ledger Book B, p. 50, In: Weisiger
BB III (1992) Prince George County, Virginia
Wills & Deeds, 1710-1713, Richmond, VA, p. 8; Prince George County,
Virginia Record Book Part V, p. 749, In: Weisiger
BB III (1973) Prince George County, Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728,
Richmond, VA, p. 90. [return]

(16) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part II, p. 168-169, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973), Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 22 [return]

(17) Boddie JB (1957) Kendrick of Gloucester, Co, Viginia and North
Carolina, In: Historical Southern Families, vol. I,
Genealogical. Publishing. Co, Baltimore, MD, p. 38. [return]

(18) Virginia Land Patent Book 10, p. 338 [Prince George County], In:
Nugent NM (1979) Cavaliers and Pioneers.
Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1769-1732, vol. 3,
Virginia State Library, Richmond, VA, p. 195. [return]

(19) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part V, p.760, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973) Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 97; Virginia Land
Patent Book 12, p. 62 [Prince George County],
In: Nugent NM (1979) Cavaliers and Pioneers. Abstracts of Virginia Land
Patents and Grants, 1769-1732, vol. 3,
Virginia State Library, Richmond, VA, p. 269.[return]

(20) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part VI, p. 972, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973), Prince George County,
Virginia Wills and Deeds 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, pp. 128-129. [return]

(21) Prince George County, Virginia Record Book Part V, pp. 766-768, In:
Weisiger BB III (1973) Prince George County,
Virginia Wills & Deeds, 1713-1728, Richmond, VA, p. 101. [return]

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A voice from the pastJames L. PooleI've been lurking on the list for some time, and since the activity seems to
be rather slow right now, I thought it might be time to interject some new
clues that I've recently obtained re an old subject...

Recall that about a year ago I theorized that the early southside Virginia
Poythress clan seemed to be involved in the Indian trade...

And Maynard, if you recall, you made the observation that there seemed to be
a lot of Pettipools in and around the Poythress clan. I jumped in at this
point and informed the list that these Pettipools were my Pool/Poole
ancestors and that, insofar as I knew, there was no connection between the
Pettipools and the Poythresses. (I'm descended from Poythresses on my
mother's tree, and Pettipools are the main trunk of my Poole lineage.)
Well, I may have new information that says there could have been a
connection after all.

I have just learned that one William Pettipool was granted a license for
Indian trading in South Carolina in the 1710-1711 time frame:

From "Journal of the Commissioners of the Indian Trade of
South Carolina September 20,, 1710 - April 12, 1715", Edited by A.S. Salley,
Jr., Secretary of the Historical Commission of South Carolina. March 22d.
1710-11 Rec'd from John Wirght Esqr, Agent, Twenty One Bonds for Sundry
Indian Traders to take out Licences-----Wm. Dettypoole{Pettypool??}, Thomas
Edwards & HENRY TALLY of
Virginia yr. Bond---cwh, listed as partners in bond
Mr. Goer & Britts Bond
Wm. Canteyes Do.
Nath. Caines Do.
John Pights Do.
Cards, Sheels, & Wiggins Do.
John Moores Do.
Ricd. Prices Do.
Trumbals & Richardsons Do.
Holford, Peiree, & Giffen Do.
Weaver & Chester Do.
Graves & Cundy Do.
Card & Weavers Bond for Three Indians yt. trade for them
Long thurston & Warrin Bond
Cornelius LeMotts Bond
Benj. Clees Bond
Wm. Bannisters Bond
Dicksons Bond for ye time he Traded wth.out a License
Nathaniel Evans of Virginia his Bond
Ricd. Smith & George Smith of Virginia their Bond
David Crawly John Evans & Ricd Jones of Virginia their bond

THIS William Pettipool (it turns out, my ancestor) actually lived in the
southside Virginia area, originally on Moccosoneck Creek, south of
Petersburg. A number of other names in the above document, also lived in
the same area, and signed as witnesses to Pettipool deeds in Virginia -- to
include Capt. John Evans, Richard Smith, George Smith, and Henry Tally (in
fact, there are clues of early marriage connections that tie the Pettipools,
Smiths and Tallys together).

I have since learned that these men might have all been involved with the
founding and operation of an early fort and Indian trading post in the area
they settled in Virginia: a Fort Tilman. I'm trying to learn more about
this Fort now: it's history, and where it was precisely located.

But the plot thickens. This is approximately the same location that a
number of early Poythress families lived. If you go to Al Tims' map of the
Poythress homesteads on Butterwood Creek (on the web site), you will even
find Capt. John Evans right there among the Poythress group.

So, if we can find the location of Fort Tilman, and if it was located where
I think, I think we'll find that the Poythress group on Al's map was
probably clustered around it. And I think this may be a significant clue
for both the Poythress and Pettipool researchers. Which suggests that we
might benefit from learning something more about the Fort's history.

I DO think that the Poythress clan and the Pettipool clan existed on
different levels of the social strata, so I don't think there's an
interaction on that score. But they may have been involved in a common
business enterprise, and that's the hypothesized connection that I started
this message with.

I have learned that those people who were involved in the Indian trade,
among other things, were something of a closed and "secret society." After
all, only a few years ago, abuses in the Indian trade were a major issue of
Bacon's Rebellion. What I've long suspected, and am now confirming, is that
these special, secret ties stayed with the families for years and years,
whatever the social strata of the families. And that may be a clue for
understanding our families' ties with other allied families.

Food for thought? and a clue for early Poythress researchers? I hope so.

Lou Poole		10/04/1998 10:06:54
More detailsJames L. PooleThat tip about Fort Tilman I received from a very competent Pettipool
researcher. In my previous search for information on the Indian trade, I
don't think I ever encountered that name. I note, however, on a detailed
map of the general area, there is an historic site called Fort Nottoway, and
I know I've encountered mentions of Fort Nottoway before. Would Fort Tilman
be an earlier, or alternate, name for Fort Nottoway? I'll let the list know
when I've received a reply from my informant.

I mentioned that the Pettipool of the Indian trade area lived on Moccosoneck
Creek. The name of this creek was changed to Rowanty Creek, and can be
easily located on a modern-day gazetteer near the intersection of the
Dinwiddie-Sussex-Prince George boundaries. A few miles south of this is the
historic location of Fort Nottoway. Butterwood Creek, where the Poythresses
are located is a few miles to the west.

Did you notice that a Richard Jones was one of the men mentioned in the
Indian trade license? Well, on the web-site map I mentioned earlier, south
of the Poythress group is a whole passel of Joneses. And Robert Mumford on
the map can also be shown to be associated with the group of traders through
other records.

10/04/1998 12:15:01
Indian tradersjean spilleLou

I have been lurking as well, but I have had some time to read up on the
Nottoway Indians. One of the surnames that turns up in this tribe is
TURNER. These Turners married in to my branch of the family from
Northampton County North Carolina on a number of occasions.

Some secondary source information you may be interested in:

Helen C. Rountree, "The Termination and Dispersal of the Nottoway
Indians of Virginia". THE VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY,
Vol. 95, No. 2 (April 1987)

Lewis Binford, "An Ethnohistory of the Nottoway, Meherrin and Weanock
Indians of Southeastern Virginia", ETHNOHISTORY, XIV (1967), 192

Also, there is a very interesting article on Indian traders in the
exact area you are talking about.

Richard A. Colbert, "James Logan Colbert of the Chickasaws: The Man and
The Myth", nORTH cAROLINA gENEALOGICAL sOCIETY jOURNAL, Feb. 1995, pp25
-48
Some of the names mentioned in this article are: Joseph Calvert, his
son William who accompanied William Byrd II during his second expedition
along the Virginia/North Carolina border in 1728. Major Robert Mumford,
Robert Hicks, Jr., Major Mayo, Mr. Peter Jones, Mr. Bannister.

In this same article, Mr. Colbert writes:
"Daniel Higdon's father, also named Daniel Higdon, had lived in Prince
George County, Virginia. In 1683 he paid the passage of Robert Hix
(Hicks) from Great Britain to Virginia. Robert Hicks later became an
Indian trader who was associated with William Byrd II, Robert Mumford,
Jacob Colson and Joseph and William Colbert. The elder Higdon was a
land speculator and merchant who worked closely with Roger Reese, Peter
Poythress and Francis Poythress. The Poythresses were known Indian
traders"
. He footnotes this passage as follows:
Lucille B. Coone, COLONIAL HIGDONS AND SOME OF THEIR DESCENDENTS,
(Manassas, VA., 1978)P.7

And just a reminder of my old Portuguese thing. On a research trip to
Halifax and Northampton Counties, North Carolina, I found a large number
of primary souce legal documents about Poythresses and their race is
listed as "portuguese". Not their nationality, their race. Given the
times, 1920 to 1940, and the Eugenics movement, it was better to be
anything than Indian. For those of you who are not familiar with the
Eugenics movement, I suggest a web search for Walter Ashby Plecker,
(Registrar of Vital Statistics in Virginia from 1912-1946). There are a
number of documents on the web related to Plecker and the Eugenics
movement in Virginia. Also, I hope we will hear from Lea Dowd again.
She is familiar with the Plecker years and their effect upon the Indian
of Southside Virginia.

Jean Poythress
Prince George, Virginia		10/05/1998 9:05:13
pettipooleCharles Neal10-5-98

Jean, thanks so much for the info about the site on the web with so much
info on the Pettipoole family, which could easily fit in with Poythress
folks in those same areas. Hope you are doing well these days.

BPN		10/05/1998 10:00:45
Mega-Library ListThis on VA-ROOTS this morning. I found it interested to print and put in my
"last try" folder:


10/06/1998 4:16:27
INFOSubj: Mecklenburg Co., VA 1870 Census Online
Date: 10/6/98 6:17:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: rodey@kerrlake.com (Bernard Rodenhizer)
Sender: va-roots@vsla.edu
Reply-to: rodey@kerrlake.com
To: va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu (Multiple recipients of list)

The ENTIRE Mecklenburg, Co., Va Census in now on line at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/index.htm
It will be found in the Archives link form this main page.
I would like to thank JoLee Spears and Linda Lewis and the Roots Web for
their help and time.

Those persons searching Black Roots this is a good spot to start in the
South as it is the first census to count all persons. The census
included 10 dist. JoLee has provided a Mecklenburg Co. Map to help
locate where in Mecklenburg Co. each dist. is located.

Good hunting.

Bernard Rodenhizer		10/06/1998 4:19:53
Va-Roots, "vsla" versionThis is the "forum" run by Library of Va., not the conventional ROOTSWEB that
we
typically use.

ROOTSWEB locations are great because you can subscribe to the digest
version....
I can live with flipping through the titles.....but that "vsla" one is a
bear.....Some one of us (I think BPN) used to be on the vsla list. They
aren't the easiest folks in the world to communicate with in the first place
so I'll ask the list: does vsla "roots" have a "digest version" that you know
of?

Thanks,

Maynard

10/06/1998 4:27:31
Va-Roots, "vsla" versionCharles NealMaynard,

Referring back to my info from when I DID subscribe (mid-1997), they did
have the digest version available on VA-HIST for sure, but I can't tell re
VA-ROOTS. The instructions for subscribing to either list, were to send a
message having the below-written text in the message to:
listserver@leo.vsla.edu

subscribe VA-ROOTS Your Name
(of course substituting your name in the obvious place; substitute VA-HIST
if that is the one you want to subscribe to)

Then AFTER subscribing to VA-HIST, one could set it up to get it
digest-fashion, by sending (to the same address, above) the following
message text (which I BET you can send to get VA-ROOTS digest-fashion,
too):

set va-hist mail digest

(Note: I don't know if capitalization matters or not in the text message,
but I have copied both the above messages from their messages that I
printed off, back in 1997)

Another possibility would be to send an email to Daphne Gentry at LVA and
ask her privately. Her address in 6/97 was
dgentry@leo.vsla.edu

Let me know, please, what you find out since I am considering possibly
re-subscribing after the first of the year. Thanks,
BPN		10/06/1998 10:22:43
INFO-Mecklnbg 1870 CensusCharles NealCool. Thanks for letting us know, Maynard.
BPN

10/06/1998 10:22:46
Digest on LVA va-rootsYes, you can get a digest.....thankfully.....the "by the each" deal was kind
of a mess
in the mail box all scrambled. Send msg. to >listserver@leo.vsla.edu< and the
msg. is >set va-roots digest<

Maynard

10/07/1998 9:47:54
va-roots digestKing's "x".......there is a digest version but I can't figure out how to turn
it on.

MP

10/07/1998 10:32:50
LVA va-rootsIT WORKS!....the LVA roots digest version.

1) first you gotta get on the "undigested"
list......listserver@leo.vsla.edu.....message is: subscribe ....that's
it, no names, no nothing.

2) next day you'll get a gazillion separate messages so you know you're on the
list.

3) then send a new message to same address: set va-roots mail digest
....again,
that's it, no names, etc.

4) from then on you get digest version which makes it worth the
trouble.....you can scan quickly and get off.....unless you just haven't got
anything else to do.

Maynard		10/08/1998 6:35:00
Where Are You?wayne scruggsHi,
Just wondered where everyone is at. This space has been gone almost as
long as our ancesters.
Judy

10/09/1998 2:18:44
Re: Where Are You?Badly in need of a catalyst.....get in here and stir 'em up, would you, Judy?
Thanks.
Great to hear from you.

Maynard

10/09/1998 3:36:55
Re: [VAROOTS-L] MiscegenationLynn S TeagueThe laws did apply to Indian. A friend who is an attorney and also a
Hopi Indian once told me that a law was passed sometime after the death
of Pocahantas to declare her "white" so that her descendants could
legally marry.

Lynn Teague
teague@u.arizona.edu

On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Helen wrote:

> Can any one tell me whether miscegenation laws applied to American Indians
> as well as African Americans?
>
> I'm concerned because an ancestor who was white had 4 children with an
> American Indian but never married. I wonder if Miscegenation laws prevented
> their marrying?		10/09/1998 7:41:44
InformationBelow is interesting but the authoress herself admits it's hearsay.
Maynard
>>>
______________________________
--------------------

10/10/1998 5:14:05
Fort TillmanJames L. PooleAbout a week ago I reported that a SC document had been found that named one
of my ancestors, William Pettipool, as an Indian trader. I also stated that
a Pettipool correspondent had asserted that there was an early-day fort in
the area where the Pettipool, Evans (also named in the document), Tillman,
Smith (also named), etc., family settled on Moccosoneck (aka Monk's Neck)
Creek, which now goes by the name of Rowanty Creek, and that this is very
close to where the Poythress group is located on Al Tims' map.

Well, my correspondent finally found his source, and the following is what
he sent:
______________
Tillman, Major Stephen F., 1939. Spes Alit Agricolam (Hope Flies With The
Farmer), The Record and Genealogy of the Tilghman-Tillman-Tilman-Timon
Family 1229-1938, Chapter 2, Christopher Tilghman and His Family, Edward
Bros. Inc, Ann Arbor, MI, p. 8-9

"1. Roger Tillman, son of Christopher and Ruth (Devonshire) Tilghman, was
born 1641. He left a family journal or Bible, of his marriage, etc., which
passed on to the family of his first-born son Robert...The land office at
Richmond, Virgo, show that on April 20, 1689 Roger Tillman received patent
to 1,060 acres located in Bristol Parish, Charles City County, Virginia,
from Nathaniel Bacon, President of the Council.

"This settlement, known as Fort Tillman, was located on the south side of
the Appomattox River at a place called Moneus-A-Nock" (Monk's Neck),
'beginning at ye mouth of ye Great Branch and runneth up that branch, being
nigh (near) the line of Thomas Lee: crossing Moneus-a-Nock main creek,
thence to Gravelly Run.' It is believed that the present location of this
settlement would be in Dinwiddie County Virginia.

"Roger Tillman married first 1674 to Winnefred Austin. Issue by this
marriage: Robert, born 1675. Later Roger married (2d) 1680 a widow by the
name of Susannah Parram (or Parham), who died March 2, 1717 in Prince
George County, Virginia. Issue: John, born 1682, George, born January 10,
1683, Jane, whow married Nicholas Robinson: and Christene, who married
Robert Abernathy."
_______

I can't precisely locate the fort from the above description, but my best
guess is that it was on one of the upper reaches of Rowanty Creek, AND LESS
THAN ABOUT 10 MILES FROM THE POYTHRESS GROUP on Butterwood Creek.

It doesn't appear to be a "government sponsored" fort, but rather one of
those fortified settlements sitting out on the very edge of what was then
the frontier. But as such, it was surely an outpost for trading with the
Indians.

I don't know what, yet, to make of this, but maybe it will ring someone
else's bell, or perhaps be the focus of some general historical research
that can shed some light on the Poythress (and Pettipool) family.

Lou Poole		10/11/1998 5:26:06
re: Fort TillmanCharles NealDear Lou,

Thanks for the further info. No bell is ringing yet for me :)) but I'll
let you know if/when it does.

BPN

10/11/1998 6:29:56
Burke County GDAH 186-6Just a snippet off the back end of a tape I had not finished transcribing
below. Only says to me that George had not yet made it big time by 1798 but
was somewhat on his way:

Burke 186-6

Burke County, 1798. Property tax digest...."general list of all dwelling
houses which with the outhouses appertaining and pertinent thereto and the
lots on which the same are erected not exceeding two acres in any case (that
are) owned, possessed or occupied on the 1st day of October 1798 within the
county of Burke in the state of Georgia exceeding in value $ 100".

The columnar layout of this tax digest is excessively complicated; therefore
a narative description of each entry is constructed below:

Poythress, George (real estate)
Town of Waynesboro, 1 dwelling house, 4 outhouses, 1 acre...all valued
at $ 1500.

Poythress, George (slave schedule)
Whole number of slaves of all ages: 4; number exempted from taxation by laws
of the state and in consequence of disability: 1, slaves above the age of
12 and under the age of 50 subject to taxation: 3.

Maynard		10/12/1998 2:57:51
Lila...please see below:Subj: Re: Lunenburg County
Date: 10/12/98 9:36:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: webmaster@prestridge.com (Barbara Prestridge)
Reply-to: webmaster@prestridge.com (Barbara Prestridge)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

According to the web site below, Elizabeth, widow of William WORSHAM, and
wife of Lt. Col. Francis EPPES, was a LITTLEBERRY.

http://PersonalWebs.myriad.net/tamisluv/fam00049.htm

Barbara Prestridge
Prestridge Web Design Barbara's Genealogy Garden
http://www.prestridge.com/ http://www.prestridge.com/gene/

Barbara's Country Home
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/

Barbara's Bordered Backgrounds
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/graphics/bgmenu.htm

Mississippi Council of the Blind
http://www.prestridge.com/mcb/

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 4:24 PM
Subject: Lunenburg County

>For those who may not have been following it, the rootsweb page for this
>county is getting rapidly digitilized and on-line, the latest completion
being
>the Lunenburg Co.
>Death Register for 1859.
>
>Maynard

Lila......I'm somewhat puzzled here. First I don't know what prompted Mrs.
Prestridge to respond to a very general post I made about Lunenburg County
information to the Poythress net.....and to respond with some information
about Francis Eppes 1st having married Elizabeth Littleberry, widow of William
Worsham. I looked at the site she suggested and it if I can say this un-
negatively it doesn't look to be a page with much of a "link" to Poythresses.

But that's not even the point. Where does the Poythress angle come in? I
know we
had at least a half dozen marriages with Epes'es......and we are also quite
curious about the Littleberry name. (except we see it spelled Littlebury most
often). The name Littleberry/Littlebury name sticks around for several
generations among the Poythress crowd so I am naturally curious about its
origin plus, what linkage it may or may not have with respect to Poythress.

Before I answer Mrs. Prestridge looking like a complete sap I thought I'd ask
you to be so kind as to check your Francis Eppes book and tell me if there is
an implied
Poythress link in among the comments re Francis Eppes marrying Elizabeth
Littleberry, widow of William Worsham. If you don't see it readily, I'll ask
Mrs. Prestridge directly but thought you might be able to help me look like I
have good sense when I e-mail her out of the blue.

BTW, I find that I have copies of the Francis Eppes I PAGES that relate to
Poythress but I'm beginning to think that maybe 30 bucks for the full book
might not be a bad investment.

Many thanks,

Maynard		10/12/1998 4:19:05
Re: Lunenburg CountyBarbara PrestridgeAccording to the web site below, Elizabeth, widow of William WORSHAM, and
wife of Lt. Col. Francis EPPES, was a LITTLEBERRY.

http://PersonalWebs.myriad.net/tamisluv/fam00049.htm

Barbara Prestridge
Prestridge Web Design Barbara's Genealogy Garden
http://www.prestridge.com/ http://www.prestridge.com/gene/

Barbara's Country Home
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/

Barbara's Bordered Backgrounds
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/graphics/bgmenu.htm

Mississippi Council of the Blind
http://www.prestridge.com/mcb/

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 4:24 PM
Subject: Lunenburg County

>For those who may not have been following it, the rootsweb page for this
>county is getting rapidly digitilized and on-line, the latest completion
being
>the Lunenburg Co.
>Death Register for 1859.
>
>Maynard
>
>
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>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/12/1998 7:12:32
Re: Lila...please see below:Barbara PrestridgeAccording to the Poythress web page, EPPES is one of the allied names.
Forgive the post. It should have been private. Didn't know I'd offend
someone. All of these Virginia surnames intersect somewhere. That's why
I'm on this list.

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 9:20 PM
Subject: Lila...please see below:

>Subj: Re: Lunenburg County
>Date: 10/12/98 9:36:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>From: webmaster@prestridge.com (Barbara Prestridge)
>Reply-to: webmaster@prestridge.com (Barbara Prestridge)
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
>According to the web site below, Elizabeth, widow of William WORSHAM, and
>wife of Lt. Col. Francis EPPES, was a LITTLEBERRY.
>
>http://PersonalWebs.myriad.net/tamisluv/fam00049.htm
>
>Barbara Prestridge
>Prestridge Web Design Barbara's Genealogy Garden
>http://www.prestridge.com/ http://www.prestridge.com/gene/
>
>Barbara's Country Home
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/
>
>Barbara's Bordered Backgrounds
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/1646/graphics/bgmenu.htm
>
>Mississippi Council of the Blind
>http://www.prestridge.com/mcb/
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: VKRatliff@aol.com
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 4:24 PM
>Subject: Lunenburg County
>
>
>>For those who may not have been following it, the rootsweb page for this
>>county is getting rapidly digitilized and on-line, the latest completion
>being
>>the Lunenburg Co.
>>Death Register for 1859.
>>
>>Maynard
>
>
>Lila......I'm somewhat puzzled here. First I don't know what prompted Mrs.
>Prestridge to respond to a very general post I made about Lunenburg County
>information to the Poythress net.....and to respond with some information
>about Francis Eppes 1st having married Elizabeth Littleberry, widow of
William
>Worsham. I looked at the site she suggested and it if I can say this un-
>negatively it doesn't look to be a page with much of a "link" to
Poythresses.
>
>But that's not even the point. Where does the Poythress angle come in? I
>know we
>had at least a half dozen marriages with Epes'es......and we are also quite
>curious about the Littleberry name. (except we see it spelled Littlebury
most
>often). The name Littleberry/Littlebury name sticks around for several
>generations among the Poythress crowd so I am naturally curious about its
>origin plus, what linkage it may or may not have with respect to Poythress.
>
>Before I answer Mrs. Prestridge looking like a complete sap I thought I'd
ask
>you to be so kind as to check your Francis Eppes book and tell me if there
is
>an implied
>Poythress link in among the comments re Francis Eppes marrying Elizabeth
>Littleberry, widow of William Worsham. If you don't see it readily, I'll
ask
>Mrs. Prestridge directly but thought you might be able to help me look like
I
>have good sense when I e-mail her out of the blue.
>
>BTW, I find that I have copies of the Francis Eppes I PAGES that relate to
>Poythress but I'm beginning to think that maybe 30 bucks for the full book
>might not be a bad investment.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Maynard
>
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/12/1998 8:28:48
Burke, GA & Lunenbg, VACharles NealMaynard,

Thanks so much for this siting of George Poythress in Burke, & thanks too
for the heads-up about Lunenbg Co, VA progress!
BPN

10/12/1998 8:54:31
Lunenburg CountyFor those who may not have been following it, the rootsweb page for this
county is getting rapidly digitilized and on-line, the latest completion being
the Lunenburg Co.
Death Register for 1859.

Maynard		10/12/1998 11:23:50
Prestridge E-mailSee below.....all clear now. Thanks, Maynard
>>>
Subj: Re: Lila...please see below:
Date: 10/13/98
To: webmaster@prestridge.com

AH HA !.....:)......no harm done. You just had me scratching my head there
for a while. As a matter of fact we have many Poythress-Eppes marriages and
those names Littleberry and Hardyman prevade both families. I WAS indeed
interested; I just thought I had missed something because there wasn't a
specific link right under my nose in your particular citation.

Now that I know your set up is to send "associated" names, that's great, I'd
like them too if you are willing to go to the trouble.

BTW, you didn't inconvenience the Poythress list in the least......half of the
turkeys are asleep anyway!

Thanks again,

John M. Poythress		10/13/1998 5:13:35
Re: Prestridge E-mailBarbara PrestridgeDid the Mary EPPES who m John HARDYMAN also m Capt. Joseph ROYALL or was
this another Mary EPPES?

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Prestridge E-mail

>In a message dated 10/13/98 12:44:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sallymell
>writes:
>
>> Maynard
>>
>> I am directly descended from Henrietta Marie Hardyman who married Major
>> Edmund Eppes and also from Tabitha Poythress who married Henry Randolph
IV.
>> Littlebury fits in somewhere but am not sure just where. I have no dates
>for
>> Henrietta Hardyman or Major Edmund Eppes. Can you help? Please e-mail.
>>
>> Sally M. Stuart
>> Sallymell@aol.com
>
>
>
>Sally.....
>
>For Tabitha & Henry Randolph go to the Poythress page, select Charts &
>Studies,
>Select "Text- R. Bolling Batte Chart". Tabitha is # 285 and there is a
full
>paragraph with the births, deaths, and marriage date for these two along
with
>numerous other details.
>
>For Major Edmund Eppes and Henrietta Hardyman I'm drawing a blank because
in
>the past I have only collected Poythresses or closely related lines. I
have
>some photocopied pages of that Francis Eppes 1st book but I have about
decided
>I need the whole book now that I'm told there are 34 Eppes-Poythress
>marriages.
>
>I'm told book can be ordered by sending $30 to Mrs. Herbert R. Holden, 430
>Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805 in case you want to order your own
copy
>but I'll be ordering and will be happy to do look-ups for the group.
>
>Sally, why don't you post these questions to the Poythress list at
>POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com .......you'll get about 20 potential answerers
>instead of just me. Not that I'm not happy to do it but why settle for one
>headbone when there are 19 more available? 🙂
>
>Best,
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/13/1998 5:19:16
Re: Thomas Poythress WAGNONBarbara PrestridgeCan't remember if I posted this, but I'm looking for possible POYTHRESS
connection to Thomas Poythress WAGNON, b 1790 in GA. His parents were
Thomas WAGNON and Frances VAUGHN. Maybe Frances' mother was a POYTHRESS?

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Prestridge E-mail

>In a message dated 10/13/98 12:44:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sallymell
>writes:
>
>> Maynard
>>
>> I am directly descended from Henrietta Marie Hardyman who married Major
>> Edmund Eppes and also from Tabitha Poythress who married Henry Randolph
IV.
>> Littlebury fits in somewhere but am not sure just where. I have no dates
>for
>> Henrietta Hardyman or Major Edmund Eppes. Can you help? Please e-mail.
>>
>> Sally M. Stuart
>> Sallymell@aol.com
>
>
>
>Sally.....
>
>For Tabitha & Henry Randolph go to the Poythress page, select Charts &
>Studies,
>Select "Text- R. Bolling Batte Chart". Tabitha is # 285 and there is a
full
>paragraph with the births, deaths, and marriage date for these two along
with
>numerous other details.
>
>For Major Edmund Eppes and Henrietta Hardyman I'm drawing a blank because
in
>the past I have only collected Poythresses or closely related lines. I
have
>some photocopied pages of that Francis Eppes 1st book but I have about
decided
>I need the whole book now that I'm told there are 34 Eppes-Poythress
>marriages.
>
>I'm told book can be ordered by sending $30 to Mrs. Herbert R. Holden, 430
>Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805 in case you want to order your own
copy
>but I'll be ordering and will be happy to do look-ups for the group.
>
>Sally, why don't you post these questions to the Poythress list at
>POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com .......you'll get about 20 potential answerers
>instead of just me. Not that I'm not happy to do it but why settle for one
>headbone when there are 19 more available? 🙂
>
>Best,
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/13/1998 5:22:41
Re: Prestridge E-mailBarbara PrestridgeThanks to all who replied. Everything's cool. I didn't want to start a
"list fight" .

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 10:14 AM
Subject: Prestridge E-mail

>See below.....all clear now. Thanks, Maynard
>>>>
>Subj: Re: Lila...please see below:
>Date: 10/13/98
>To: webmaster@prestridge.com
>
>AH HA !.....:)......no harm done. You just had me scratching my head there
>for a while. As a matter of fact we have many Poythress-Eppes marriages
and
>those names Littleberry and Hardyman prevade both families. I WAS indeed
>interested; I just thought I had missed something because there wasn't a
>specific link right under my nose in your particular citation.
>
>Now that I know your set up is to send "associated" names, that's great,
I'd
>like them too if you are willing to go to the trouble.
>
>BTW, you didn't inconvenience the Poythress list in the least......half of
the
>turkeys are asleep anyway!
>
>Thanks again,
>
>John M. Poythress
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/13/1998 5:38:29
Re: Prestridge E-mailIn a message dated 10/13/98 12:44:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sallymell
writes:

> Maynard
>
> I am directly descended from Henrietta Marie Hardyman who married Major
> Edmund Eppes and also from Tabitha Poythress who married Henry Randolph IV.
> Littlebury fits in somewhere but am not sure just where. I have no dates
for
> Henrietta Hardyman or Major Edmund Eppes. Can you help? Please e-mail.
>
> Sally M. Stuart
> Sallymell@aol.com

Sally.....

For Tabitha & Henry Randolph go to the Poythress page, select Charts &
Studies,
Select "Text- R. Bolling Batte Chart". Tabitha is # 285 and there is a full
paragraph with the births, deaths, and marriage date for these two along with
numerous other details.

For Major Edmund Eppes and Henrietta Hardyman I'm drawing a blank because in
the past I have only collected Poythresses or closely related lines. I have
some photocopied pages of that Francis Eppes 1st book but I have about decided
I need the whole book now that I'm told there are 34 Eppes-Poythress
marriages.

I'm told book can be ordered by sending $30 to Mrs. Herbert R. Holden, 430
Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805 in case you want to order your own copy
but I'll be ordering and will be happy to do look-ups for the group.

Sally, why don't you post these questions to the Poythress list at
POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com .......you'll get about 20 potential answerers
instead of just me. Not that I'm not happy to do it but why settle for one
headbone when there are 19 more available? 🙂

Best,

Maynard		10/13/1998 8:58:11
Mary Poythress & John BatteHere is my Batte connecton to the Poythress family. John Batte was born in
Charles City Co., VA (s/o Capt. Henry Batte and Mary Lounds, Prince George
Co., VA). He md., Mary Poythress, "Mancelle" Prince George Co. VA. Would very
much like to know who the parents/siblings and any dates (dob/dod & dom) of
Mary Poythress.

I am descended from William Batte (Sr.), b. abt. 1681, Charles City Co., VA -
d. 09 Dec 1754, Prince George Co., VA. He md., Mary Stratton, May 1704, St.
Johns Parish, Prince George Co., GA. William Batte (Sr.) was the b/o John
Batte (md., Mary Poythress).

Carol Garrett
(ckgleo@aol.com)		10/14/1998 2:21:24
Re: llbaird@juno.com: 1860 Edward P. and Lewis Y. P.Good to hear from you, Sarah. Some questions to help my understanding
follow.

You wrote: "I found Edward & Mahala listed on the same census as my
ggggrandfather, same district. I thought this was very interesting, but
at the time & was thinking he didn't fit in Dale's line." Is this
referring to the 1860 Granville census? And which of your third-great
grandfathers do you mean? (I would assume either you meant another
census, not 1860, or another ancestor, not John Lewis Poythress, since
JLP was recorded in Mecklenburg in 1860 census.)

Your wrote: "What interest me a great deal is the John Poythress, 21 in
the Tanner household. John Lewis was born 29 Aug. 1929, making him 21 in
1850." What county and what year of census is this Tanner household you
reference? I assume 1850 census of ??? county, but do not want to jump
to conclusions.

Finally, did you find any estate papers on Edward Poythress in Granville?
If not, have you researched the records enough to be satisfied that
there are no estate papers for EP? I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:59:30 -0400 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>Hi Lyn,
>
>I am fine and hope you are. I have been pursuing my line (Royster) in
>Oxford
>and checking for any Poythresses I can find at the same time. I found
>Edward
>& Mahala listed on the same census as my ggggrandfather, same
>district. I
>thought this was very interesting, but at the time & was thinking he
>didn't
>fit in Dale's line. What interest
>me a great deal is the John Poythress, 21 in the Tanner household.John
>Lewis
>was born 29 Aug. 1929, making him 21 in 1850. He married Tabitha Ann
>Nunn,
>born Oct. 1834 in ? NC. First child born in 1854, Mecklenburg Co.,VA.
>I have
>not found their marriage listed in Warren, Bute, Franklin , Granville
>or
>Mecklenburg Co. They are on the 1860 census in Mecklenburg Co. and the
>1880
>Franklin County. The 1870 census for Franklin Co. at the library here
>it is
>so faint, it is like nothing is on it. I hope to get back to Louisburg
>before long so I can look at their reel. John Lewis served 4 years
>in the Civil War, Co. F 14th VA Inf.
>
>My brother-in-laws notes are at my sister-in-laws here. He is in Saudi
>and
>she is doing the contracting on a house they are building for their
>daughter. She is also baby sitting for the daughter here during the
>week and
>on week ends going to her other daughters, to help her. About every 2
>or 3
>mo. she goes to Saudi with her husband, for a months stay. She hasn't
>had
>the time to find his papers that are packed up with their furniture
>and
>other stuff. If I could I would look for them, but would not know
>where and
>would not want to plunder through her things without her. He has James
>Edward as John Lewis'
>father and Lewis as James' father. They are Mormans, so this is
>something he
>has been working on for years. He did a lot of research in Richmond
>and
>Raleigh and talked to a lot of the family that is dead now. When he
>comes
>home he is so involved with this house they are building,
>grandchildren, and
>a sick mother in another town that I am sure he has to go back to
>Saudi to
>rest. Maybe one day I can get Tiny to stop everything else long enough
>to
>look for them. I have his list of information, but not his source. In
>the
>meantime I keep searching. I am doing a lot in Oxford, will have to
>dig
>deeper.
>
>I have rambled long enough and it is late, so I will talk to you
>later.
>Sarah
>
>
>
>This is something I found in my search:
>On the 1870 Warren County Census, MF M593, Roll # 1164, Nutbush
>Township,
>Manson P.O., NC
>HH # 35 Poythress, Charles 20 M W Dry good retail merchant
>looks like VA
> " " Dortch, Aliven 26 M W Clerk in dry
>goods
>store " " dto
>
> # 41 Poytess, Baily 16 M W Mail Carrier
>Didn't
>get state
>
>

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Re: Francis Hardyman, Charles City Co., VACarol, thanks much for your input (copied below). To you and Barbara
Prestridge both, I think we could gin up some real action in our areas of
interest if I could get you two to join the Poythress listserver. There
really is no "traffic" to speak of EXCEPT with about a half dozen active
genealogists who have almost precisely the same areas of interest as we.

With specific respect to land records, you might want to check the Poythress
webpage (http://www1.minn.net/~atims/) under land records there is a section
of maps, some of which overlay the precise location of individual deeds, land
grants, etc. on modern maps.

To join the Poythress discussion group send message to the address above and
the only content of the message should be "subscribe" (without the quotes).
If I'm not correct in this procedure I'll ask someone on the list to hop in
and give you two the correct address.

Many thanks for the recent contributions of both of you....

Maynard		10/14/1998 4:26:43
"copied below"Sorry, forgot to paste it >>>

Subj: Francis Hardyman, Charles City Co., VA
Date: 10/14/98 7:15:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: CKGLEO
To: webmaster@prestridge.com, VKRatliff

Hi Everyone:

Hope you don't mind me "jumping in" have been following all of your very
interesting messages about the Poythress, Hardyman and Eppes families. I am a
descendant of the Hunt and Batte families of VA (IOW, James City, Charles
City, Prince George, Surry/Sussex, Brunswick and Greensville Cos.) and GA
(Hancock, Jasper, Jones, Pike, Spalding, Douglas and Fulton Cos.).

Today, I was going over my Hunts wills and deeds of Charles Co., VA and incl.
on pg. 46 is a deed dtd.: 29 May 1731, Francis Hardyman of Charles City.,
Gent., to John Carter of Shirley in same county, Esq., ofr 155, land in
Westover Parish (my Hunts also residended in this same parish) on west side of
slash dividing this land from land where said Francis dwells, bounded as by
survey by Robert Bolling, 1 Aug 1730, 155 acres; being part of land called
"High Hills"; with all houses. Wit: Christopher Martain, Henry Woodward,
Joseph Feam, Matthis Ayres, John Randolph. Signed: Fran's Hardyman, John
Carter. Rec'd.: 2 Jun 1731.
Source: Charles City Co., VA - Wills & Deeds, 1725-1731, Abstracted and
Compiled by Benjamin B. Weisiger, III (pg. 342).

Carol Garrett in GA
(ckgleo@aol.com)		10/14/1998 4:35:46
Mrs. Frank GrassNo surprise.....my last letter came back undeliverable. Guess I'll figure
that Mr. and Mrs. Grass are both now either deceased or at the very least
incomunicado.

For those of you on the board not familiar with this name, the lady did a ton
of Poythress research mostly in Georgia many years ago and left a lot of
fingerprints.
I got her address 6 or 7 years ago (I suppose) and to my complete surprise she
was still alive and at the same address in Oklahoma City. Obviously we needed
her papers or copies of them.

She was by then an Alzheimer's patient and her husband was also very frail and
they had a "keeper" mean as a rattlesnake. Keeper reported that she had
"thrown away" all that junk Mrs. Grass had kept. Refusing to believe that I
kept the heat on.....even sent my daughter (who was TDY in Ok City at the
time) to see them. She couldn't even get in the door. My guess is there is
no more hope for this one so I'm finally calling it quits.

Anybody close to Oklahoma City who wants a Quixotic mission I'll be happy to
pass the torch.....but it's 100 to 1 this torch has already gone out.

Maynard		10/14/1998 4:49:12
Henley Marriage & Obituary DatabaseThis database just recently put on-line by Library of Virginia. I believe Mr.
Henley was the LVA librarian for a number of years in which he compiled this
database.

Technically, the database is of "the card catalog" but as a practical matter
it records about all one would need: principals, dates, etc. along with
giving the LVA microfilm # and quoting the source (usually a newspaper). One
would have wished that LVA would have digitally reproduced the text but it
doesn't seem to be that big a deal.

The address is: http://image.vtls.com .....select Henley, etc....I then
put only
"Poythress" into the search engine and had 8 hits, all before 1806. Three are
duplicates; e. g. 23 Jan 1806 marriage of John Gordon to Lucy Poythress is
reported 3 times because it appeared in 3 newspapers.

Related names: Eppes, Batte, Randolph, Gordon, Atkinson

Maynard		10/14/1998 5:21:35
Re: Tabitha PoythressDon't forget Me! I originally posted the query about Tabitha's
mother! Mine comes through the Randolph line to my namesake, Elise
Courtney Randolph.

Elise Courtney H. Markham

10/14/1998 5:32:41
1860 Edward P. & Lewis P.Sarah PoythressLyn,

I really did a good job of mixing everything up. Sorry about that - will try
to get it stright. I was referring to the Dec. 11, 1850 census of
Granville County, Abraham Plains District, Oxford, NC. The ggggrandfather I
was referring to is mine Banister Royster. John Lewis is Dale's (my
husband). When I saw this it was in the Raleigh Library soon after I started
my genealogy search, therefore I did not realize how important the MF #,
Roll #, page, etc. were, so I did not put all of this down. Big....mistake.

John Poythress in the Tanner household is the one on Maynard's e-mail that
had John Lewis P. household in Mecklenburg . Maynard wrote:
1850 Granville County, NC, Abraham Plains Dist.
Page 204 [there are Two page 204's]
73 73 Mortimer D. Tanner 27 M VA
Elizabeth Tanner 22 F VA
Leonora Tanner 2 F VA
John Poythress 21 M Farmer Va
The reason I found this interesting, they were all from VA and John was the
right age. Since Tabitha Ann was from NC, I thought maybe he had moved here
with the Tanners, met Ann (what she was called),
married her and went back to VA. Just a thought.

I have not searched for the estate papers on Edward Poythress in Granville
County. When I get a chance I am. I hope to do this soon.
Right now we are busy with yard work before the cold weather. Will let you
know what I find.

Researching estate papers will be new to me. Were do I start?
Courthouse or Library?

Best regards,
Sarah		10/14/1998 6:40:48
Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: LVA Wills]]Sheryl.....thanks for the clue.....I'll go around the horn again.....however,
I did address this letter to "Family of Mr. Frank Grass". If it hasn't been
thrown away (likely) this lady has a small gold mine....would be my guess.

Thanks,

Maynard

10/14/1998 7:50:20
Martha/PatsyThere is a gal named Sue (no pun intended) on VA-ROOTS who is "publishing"
genealogical info by the train load under the headings of "Sue's Genealogy
Receipe
# whatever".

I may be reading too much into this but my general impression is that her
information is "topical" in a genealogical or colonial/historical sense
perhaps even more than a "modern" sense.

Anyway, latest installment from Sue is a list of common given names and the
typical nicknames for each. The one I was specifically looking for:

Martha--Marty, Mat, Mattie, Patsy, Patty

This would suggest to us that there are grounds on which to speculate that
Burke County Thomas Poythress' wife Martha might indeed be the SAME person
referred
to in other paperwork as Patsy. For the past couple of years every time I met
a woman named Martha I asked if she had ever heard of the nickname Patsy for
Martha. Not a one said they had.

Even so, I always thought the probability was that Martha and Patsy were the
same person in this case.....based on the probability of evidence not the
coincidence of a nickname. Now I feel a little better to know that at least
this nickname factor is at least not working against us.

Maynard

10/14/1998 8:16:47
Re: Fort TillmanCarol A. MorrisonIn case you all are interested, instead of just sending an email to
James regarding the location of the Roger Tillman patent, I thought I'd
copy the list.

>From my research and with the help of one fine program called "Deed
Mapper" the Tillman Patent is fairly close to the City of Petersburg,
Virginia. It appears to be located on the North side of the "Old Stage
Road" near (but about 1 mile or so West of) its intersection with the
"Old Halifax Road."

In my humble opinion, this isn't really that close to the Poythress land
on Butterwood - White Oak Creek area which is about 10 to 13 miles West
of Dinwiddie. The Tillman land would be about 5.5 to 6 miles SSE of the
present day Petersburg airport at about a 160 degree heading (I flew
over it last Saturday).

Carol

James L. Poole wrote:
>
> About a week ago I reported that a SC document had been found that named one
> of my ancestors, William Pettipool, as an Indian trader. I also stated that
> a Pettipool correspondent had asserted that there was an early-day fort in
> the area where the Pettipool, Evans (also named in the document), Tillman,
> Smith (also named), etc., family settled on Moccosoneck (aka Monk's Neck)
> Creek, which now goes by the name of Rowanty Creek, and that this is very
> close to where the Poythress group is located on Al Tims' map.
>
> Well, my correspondent finally found his source, and the following is what
> he sent:
> ______________
> Tillman, Major Stephen F., 1939. Spes Alit Agricolam (Hope Flies With The
> Farmer), The Record and Genealogy of the Tilghman-Tillman-Tilman-Timon
> Family 1229-1938, Chapter 2, Christopher Tilghman and His Family, Edward
> Bros. Inc, Ann Arbor, MI, p. 8-9
>
> "1. Roger Tillman, son of Christopher and Ruth (Devonshire) Tilghman, was
> born 1641. He left a family journal or Bible, of his marriage, etc., which
> passed on to the family of his first-born son Robert...The land office at
> Richmond, Virgo, show that on April 20, 1689 Roger Tillman received patent
> to 1,060 acres located in Bristol Parish, Charles City County, Virginia,
> from Nathaniel Bacon, President of the Council.
>
> "This settlement, known as Fort Tillman, was located on the south side of
> the Appomattox River at a place called Moneus-A-Nock" (Monk's Neck),
> 'beginning at ye mouth of ye Great Branch and runneth up that branch, being
> nigh (near) the line of Thomas Lee: crossing Moneus-a-Nock main creek,
> thence to Gravelly Run.' It is believed that the present location of this
> settlement would be in Dinwiddie County Virginia.
>
> "Roger Tillman married first 1674 to Winnefred Austin. Issue by this
> marriage: Robert, born 1675. Later Roger married (2d) 1680 a widow by the
> name of Susannah Parram (or Parham), who died March 2, 1717 in Prince
> George County, Virginia. Issue: John, born 1682, George, born January 10,
> 1683, Jane, whow married Nicholas Robinson: and Christene, who married
> Robert Abernathy."
> _______
>
> I can't precisely locate the fort from the above description, but my best
> guess is that it was on one of the upper reaches of Rowanty Creek, AND LESS
> THAN ABOUT 10 MILES FROM THE POYTHRESS GROUP on Butterwood Creek.
>
> It doesn't appear to be a "government sponsored" fort, but rather one of
> those fortified settlements sitting out on the very edge of what was then
> the frontier. But as such, it was surely an outpost for trading with the
> Indians.
>
> I don't know what, yet, to make of this, but maybe it will ring someone
> else's bell, or perhaps be the focus of some general historical research
> that can shed some light on the Poythress (and Pettipool) family.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		10/14/1998 8:23:31
Re: Web siteBarbara PrestridgeMaynard & all,

Have you seen this web site? Poythress is listed under (Poythress) and
Poythress in surname index so search both.

http://pickle.gsfc.nasa.gov/mdfams/SURNAMES.html

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 1:16 PM
Subject: Martha/Patsy

>There is a gal named Sue (no pun intended) on VA-ROOTS who is "publishing"
>genealogical info by the train load under the headings of "Sue's Genealogy
>Receipe
># whatever".
>
>I may be reading too much into this but my general impression is that her
>information is "topical" in a genealogical or colonial/historical sense
>perhaps even more than a "modern" sense.
>
>Anyway, latest installment from Sue is a list of common given names and the
>typical nicknames for each. The one I was specifically looking for:
>
> Martha--Marty, Mat, Mattie, Patsy, Patty
>
>This would suggest to us that there are grounds on which to speculate that
>Burke County Thomas Poythress' wife Martha might indeed be the SAME person
>referred
>to in other paperwork as Patsy. For the past couple of years every time I
met
>a woman named Martha I asked if she had ever heard of the nickname Patsy
for
>Martha. Not a one said they had.
>
>Even so, I always thought the probability was that Martha and Patsy were
the
>same person in this case.....based on the probability of evidence not the
>coincidence of a nickname. Now I feel a little better to know that at least
>this nickname factor is at least not working against us.
>
>Maynard
>
>
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>
>
>
>		10/14/1998 9:17:26
Re: Tabitha PoythressBarbara PrestridgeI have a friend who descends through William CABANISS and one of his wives,
Sophia (SHERWIN) PINCHAM, the gdaughter of Henry RANDOLPH, IV and Tabitha
POYTHRESS. They're everywhere!

Barbara

10/14/1998 9:27:21
Re: Web siteBarbara PrestridgeMy full name is Barbara Till Prestridge so you can just call me BTP or Till.

I think I saw Joshua and some others. I'll go back and check. I understand
about the site and others like it; in my early genealogy I was pretty bad
about not keeping up with sources. Fortunately, I have piles of files that
I can go back to and look in until I get totally switched over from PAF to
FTW.

Barbara (Till) P.

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Web site

>Barbara Prestridge....(and I'll call you by whole name since we have two
other
>Barbaras on the list; Barbara Poythress Neal (aka BPN) and Barbara
Poythress
>Wolfe (aka BPW).......give us your middle initial and make life easy for us
🙂
>.
>
>Re the site: http://pickle.gsfc.nasa.gov/mdfams/SURNAMES.html
>
>I went to it and only saw 3 Poythresses: Anne, Hannah, and "Peachey". I
have
>been to that site before but not under the name of "pickle" or whatever so
I
>didn't recognize it until I got there. It previously went by some other
>name.....or maybe the case is that Mr. or Ms. Pickle simply copied the
other
>guy.
>
>I'm sure the folks hanging that thing out are well intentioned but in other
>days (when it had another name) there were beaucoup Poythresses.
>Unfortunately, NO
>documentation was (or is) cited plus there were a number of really
>questionable entries.....and frankly it looked like most of the "volunteer
>contributors" had simply copied each other as the unsupported and often
>incorrect information duplicated itself over and over again through
literally
>dozens of pages.
>
>It's tough to fault Mr. or Ms. Pickle or other people hanging up these
>"cosmic" sites. I give them every benefit of the doubt and say that they
are
>well intentioned. Their problem is similar to the problem the Latter Day
>Saints have, that is, if you're just going to take anything anybody sends
you
>and hang it up there that's all well and good but after a while nobody uses
>you for anything but a "suggestion guide" because they know the credibility
is
>no better than whomever fired off (or copied) the information.
>
>Just my personal opinion, others likely have more insight or a differing
view.
>
>By the way, notice you included the Poythress page on your e-
>mail.....neat....hope you'll join the listserver because I think we have a
lot
>to offer each other.
>
>And keep posting those new sites....they are often gems that others
wouldn't
>have found any other way.
>
>Best,
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>		10/15/1998 5:06:30
Re: Web siteBarbara Prestridge....(and I'll call you by whole name since we have two other
Barbaras on the list; Barbara Poythress Neal (aka BPN) and Barbara Poythress
Wolfe (aka BPW).......give us your middle initial and make life easy for us 🙂
.
Re the site: http://pickle.gsfc.nasa.gov/mdfams/SURNAMES.html

I went to it and only saw 3 Poythresses: Anne, Hannah, and "Peachey". I have
been to that site before but not under the name of "pickle" or whatever so I
didn't recognize it until I got there. It previously went by some other
name.....or maybe the case is that Mr. or Ms. Pickle simply copied the other
guy.

I'm sure the folks hanging that thing out are well intentioned but in other
days (when it had another name) there were beaucoup Poythresses.
Unfortunately, NO
documentation was (or is) cited plus there were a number of really
questionable entries.....and frankly it looked like most of the "volunteer
contributors" had simply copied each other as the unsupported and often
incorrect information duplicated itself over and over again through literally
dozens of pages.

It's tough to fault Mr. or Ms. Pickle or other people hanging up these
"cosmic" sites. I give them every benefit of the doubt and say that they are
well intentioned. Their problem is similar to the problem the Latter Day
Saints have, that is, if you're just going to take anything anybody sends you
and hang it up there that's all well and good but after a while nobody uses
you for anything but a "suggestion guide" because they know the credibility is
no better than whomever fired off (or copied) the information.

Just my personal opinion, others likely have more insight or a differing view.

By the way, notice you included the Poythress page on your e-
mail.....neat....hope you'll join the listserver because I think we have a lot
to offer each other.

And keep posting those new sites....they are often gems that others wouldn't
have found any other way.

Best,

Maynard		10/15/1998 7:03:49
Poytress Connection/ FitzgeraldLarsen KennethMy interest in the Poythress family lies in it's connection by marriage
to John Fitzgerald of Charles City County. He married an Elizabeth
Poythress noted in Richard Bolling Batte's chart on the Poythress
Website as #22. Also found at the Library of Virginia Website
)
Another name should be added to Elizabeth and John Fitzgerald's
children. That is William Fitzgerald of Nottoway Parish, Amelia
County This is clear by referring to RBB's Index Card at 131 of 151
under Fitzgerald, J. This card speaks for my argument and shows that
William married an Elizabeth Irby (Card 63 0f 122 under Fitzgerald,A,
VSL) On John's card (Card 14 and 15 of 151 under Fitzgerald,J) his
children are shown as William, Francis and Elizabeth.
Our records stop there as far as John Fitzgerald is concerned (May be
spelled Fitz Garrell). There may be a record of him in William Bibby's
Patent of June 14, 1636 where John Fitz Gerrell is mentioned. We also
skow that he was a Sheriff in Charles City, but where he came from and
his prior lineage is a mystery.
Any help?
Thanks.

Ken Larsen		10/15/1998 7:36:40
Tabitha PoythressSarah PoythressIn case the Tabitha Ann Poythress on my e-mail was misunderstood.
The one I was referring to is Tabitha Ann Nunn wife of John Lewis Poythress.

Sarah

10/15/1998 8:00:49
Ken _______I'm running borrowed 'puter in Atlanta and scraped his message off by mistake.
Would someone please resend it so I can work on it when I get home. I
wouldn't want to miss the chance to work on what is probably the most
intelligently framed
query I think I have ever seen on the net.

🙂

Thanks,

Maynard

10/18/1998 3:52:54
[Fwd: Ken _______]jean spille10/18/1998 6:48:01
[Fwd: Poytress Connection/ Fitzgerald]jean spille10/18/1998 6:50:24
http://www.genealogy-books.com/locator.htm - HUGUENOTSCliff TownsendFor the one who was looking for the HUGUENOTS also so for anyone looking
for a special book.
sheryl

go to: http://www.genealogy-books.com/locator.htm
then click on "H"

HUGUENOT EMIGRATION TO VIRGINIA.... Genealogies of Fontaine, Maury,
Dupuy, Trabue, Marye, Chastain,
Cocke. Robert Alonzo Brock. C675. $25.00

HUGUENOT SOCIETY BIBLE RECORDS (National) abstracted from the Files of
the Society by Arthur Louis
Finnell. #C9181. $39.95

HUGUENOTS, The Trail of the, in Europe, the United States, South Africa,
and Canada. By G. Elmore Reaman.
$25.00

HUGUENOT PEDIGREES, 2 volumes in 1,. #c3290. $27.50

HUGUENOTS, The Trail of the, in Europe, the United States, South Africa,
and Canada. By G. Elmore Reaman.
$25.00.		10/20/1998 4:18:15
Evolution of CountiesI don't know if this site has a nickel's worth of credibility but it's fun to
look at the moving pictures tracing county development nationwide from 1650 to
1983.....but then I am easily amused. Try:
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Animation/us.gif

Maynard		10/20/1998 5:21:21
FitzgeraldsAttn: Ken Larson

Ken:

Gee fellow, you have done your homework so well and put your question so
cogently that you don't leave much "wiggle room".

I did some serious looking never-the-less....without much luck. Some stuff
that may likely be of passing interest more than information:

1. On the Poythress webpage that will of John P. (1712) is definitely the
father of
your Elizabeth and she is mentioned in the will. No surprise to you I'm sure.

2. I checked the Swem index for all 21 Elizabeth Poythress'es......couple of
references to your lady you have already cited. I might suggest check the
Swem index likewise for Fitzgeralds and Fitz Garrells. That's the first place
I'd be inclined to go so I'm sort of guessing you have already been there.
Any questions on this score, drop me a note.

3. In volume 19 of Va. Historical Mag. (1911) on page 442-3 a book was
reviewed
called "A History and Genealogy of Colonial Families who Settled in the
Colonies
Prior to the Revolution". Author is ("was" now likely) Stella Pickett Hardy.
T. A. Wright, printer and publisher, NY, published 1911, 643 pages. Families
written up are listed in the review and one is Fitzgerald. As a matter of
fact, I think I'm going to check my own library for this one....even though it
appears Ms. Hardy only hit the Poythresses a glancing blow. I'll look for
Fitzgeralds too.

I guess the shame is when you get a couple of generations downstream of the
"mother".....looking under "her" surname is often something of a lost cause.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help but I'll put that Fitzgerald connection on my
watch list. Plus, maybe some of the others in the group will have something
of substance.

Best,

Maynard Poythress		10/20/1998 8:33:16
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V98 #174Larsen KennethMaynard,
Thanks for the good word and your efforts and the effort of all who are
"out there".
It seems to me that I will have to piece together the early Fitzgeralds
by filling in all the characters in their life. Just yesterday I
discovered William Fitzgerald II, Captain, in the Revolutionary War,
also had a command in the War of 1812. out of Nottoway Parish. That
was only found by reference to a Pension application by someone in his
command.
Someone has the Fitzgerald records but are sitting on them

The only families that have great records are those who were proud
enough of their heritage in their day to keep it going by writing it
down. Apparently, "we" had few of them .( In my wife's family)
Ken Larsen		10/20/1998 12:52:40
Virginia Death RegistersLast week I got a few hours at LVA and went through the death registers
of MECKLENBURG and LUNENBURG counties for the years 1880 through 1896
inclusive. (1896 was the last year Virginia kept vital statistics until
1912, a regrettable lapse.) It was a line-by-line search and I was
looking for any Poythress or any recognizable descendant of Lewis
Poythress (as well as for other unrelated lines). In that 16-year period
in either of these categories I recognized NONE in LUNENBURG Co. (not
surprising) and exactly ONE in MECKLENBURG Co., that being Thomas M.
POYTHRESS, as follows:

Mecklenburg 1891 line 73
Thomas M. Poythress, white, male, farmer, age 70
died July 1891 in Mecklenburg Co. of paralysis
born in Mecklenburg Co., parents Lewis & Rebecca Poythress
reported by spouse, Lucy Poythress

BPN, could there exist an Alabama death certificate for James Edward
Poythress and, if so, could it possibly list his parents? BPW, similarly
for David Poythress in North Carolina? Sarah Poythress, similarly for
John Lewis Poythress in North Carolina?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Poythress-Nance-Drumright-Taylor-Poythress?Who was Rebecca TAYLOR, second wife of Lewis POYTHRESS? So far as I know
none of us have yet researched her. Here are some things to consider
from family alliances. The POYTHRESS-NANCE alliance has been explored
most recently on 4/17/98 this mail list (see below). The NANCE-DRUMRIGHT
alliance was summarized in a 4/18/98 post from David Nance (see below).
Just recently a DRUMRIGHT-TAYLOR alliance has come to my attention.

POYTHRESS-NANCE
1) 3 Nov. 1813 Dennis Bass (North Hampton County, NC) sold to Lewis
Poythress 33 acres in Mecklenburg bounded by James L. NANCE, deed
witnessed by John and Nancy NANCE.
2) 1818 will of Jack POYTHRESS, supposed son of Lewis POYTHRESS,
witnessed by James S. and Millie NANCE.
3) Capt. John NANCE is the adjacent household to Lewis POYTHRESS in the
1820 census.
4) Edward POYTHRESS married Mahaley NANCE in Mecklenburg, bond 1828,
surety William Drumright.

NANCE-DRUMRIGHT
This from David Nance's post: "...while a 'W. Drumwright' was Security
for the marriage of Mahaley Nance and Edward Poythress, a William
DRUMWRIGHT was Security for the 16 Dec 1791 marriage of Molly Nance (dau.
of Robert) to Gray Allen -- and, on Dec. 28 1830 Lucy A. Nance (consent
for whom was given by her Guardian Benjamin W. Davis) was
married to to James M. DRUMWRIGHT -- and, on Jan. 25 1839, Mildred Nance
married to William DRUMWRIGHT in Brunswick Co. [Note added by Lyn:
Benjamin W. Davis eventually purchased the William DRUMRIGHT home from
WD's son Ephraim A. DRUMRIGHT.]

DRUMRIGHT-TAYLOR
This is taken from a 1974 book by Grace Drumright DOWLAND on the
Drumright family: Nancy DRUMRIGHT, oldest daughter of William DRUMRIGHT,
Sr. (ca. 1748-1828), married Goodwyn TAYLOR, 21 Jan 1794. William
TAYLOR, father of Goodwyn TAYLOR, made a will in 1803 naming as executors
Goodwyn TAYLOR and William DRUMRIGHT, Sr. The will was witnessed by
William, Sally, Ephraim and Lucy DRUMRIGHT, children of William
DRUMRIGHT.

TAYLOR-POYTHRESS
Certainly we have the 1802 marriage of Lewis POYTHRESS and Rebecca
TAYLOR, as well as the often cited involvement of Isaac TAYLOR. But is
Rebecca's family the same as that TAYLOR family allied to the DRUMRIGHTs?
As yet I have no evidence. Mrs. Dowland cites the children of Goodwyn
and Nancy TAYLOR and among them is not Isaac TAYLOR. She does not cite
the children of Nancy's father, William TAYLOR, and I do not have a copy
of his will.

All the above citations are from Mecklenburg Co., which tends to tighten
the loop somewhat. Any other pertinent citations or comments will be of
course welcomed.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Death RegistersCharles Neal10-21-98

Lyn,
Super idea, however one I had already tried with no luck.

In Alabama (where James Edward Poythress lived from 1853 until his death on
17 Jan 1863, which date I have thanks to the family Bible-type record),
they "didn't cotton to" keeping such records at the state level until it
became mandatory much later. Alabama began having death certificates in
January of 1908.

Some counties kept (at the courthouse) a Death Register earlier than that.
Sumter County (his county) had one such register that still exists, which
covers 1881-1892, but no other years' registers have been found. That one
was rescued by a history-lover when it was about to be destroyed some years
ago.

I know that much later than his death, lots of burials were handled by a
funeral home across the stateline in Meridian, MS (Lauderdale County), and
they kept good records including sometime such info. I checked with them,
but they weren't in business until sometime this century.

And 1863 would not have been a time that there would have been a funeral
home handling burials yet. It was still something done by the families or
their churches. (And besides, there was a war going on. . .)

By the way, due to the war the recordkeeping of estates is spotty at best
in the Sumter Co Courthouse, and no record of any estate has been located
for him either.

BPN		10/21/1998 9:54:33
NC Death RegisterLyn,

When in Henderson, NC several years ago, I was directed to the oldest funeral
home there but they said their records did not go back far enough for David
Poythress who died in 1876.

Realize now that I should be looking in both Vance and Warren County.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Barbara (BPW)		10/22/1998 5:07:03
Re: 1860 Edward P. & Lewis P.Sarah, I think you have a good theory here regarding JLP in NC in 1850
then back in Va. in 1860 then back in NC in 1870. Maybe JLP moved from
Mecklenburg to Sassafras Fork, Granville, NC with the Tanners, then
convinced Edward and Mahaley Poythress (his parents?), to come there
also, where they appear in 1860. Regarding Edward Poythress estate
papers, I would suggest you start with whatever Granville Co. will book
covers the period from 1860 and later. I would guess the will books
would be at the office of the clerk of the court of Granville in Oxford.
Another alternative is the NC State Archive in Raleigh,
Happy
hunting and keep us posted.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:40:48 -0400 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>Lyn,
>
>I really did a good job of mixing everything up. Sorry about that -
>will try
>to get it stright. I was referring to the Dec. 11, 1850 census of
>Granville County, Abraham Plains District, Oxford, NC. The
>ggggrandfather I
>was referring to is mine Banister Royster. John Lewis is Dale's (my
>husband). When I saw this it was in the Raleigh Library soon after I
>started
>my genealogy search, therefore I did not realize how important the MF
>#,
>Roll #, page, etc. were, so I did not put all of this down.
>Big....mistake.
>
>John Poythress in the Tanner household is the one on Maynard's e-mail
>that
>had John Lewis P. household in Mecklenburg . Maynard wrote:
>1850 Granville County, NC, Abraham Plains Dist.
>Page 204 [there are Two page 204's]
>73 73 Mortimer D. Tanner 27 M VA
>Elizabeth Tanner 22 F VA
>Leonora Tanner 2 F VA
>John Poythress 21 M Farmer Va
>The reason I found this interesting, they were all from VA and John
>was the
>right age. Since Tabitha Ann was from NC, I thought maybe he had moved
>here
>with the Tanners, met Ann (what she was called),
>married her and went back to VA. Just a thought.
>
>I have not searched for the estate papers on Edward Poythress in
>Granville
>County. When I get a chance I am. I hope to do this soon.
>Right now we are busy with yard work before the cold weather. Will let
>you
>know what I find.
>
>Researching estate papers will be new to me. Were do I start?
>Courthouse or Library?
>
>Best regards,
>Sarah
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

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Cousin Anna StanleyBPN, I share your interest in your "Cousin Anna Stanley" as a link to the
parentage of your James Edward Poythress. Let's review what I understand
you have surmised from your photograph:
1) name Anna Stanley
2) white female
3) age 18-25 at about 1860-65 making her born about 1835-1850
4) called "cousin" by Catherine Preston Poythress (1800-1884) wife of
James Edward Poythress

Now we add to that what we know about the Poythress-Preston-Stanley
connections:
1) Frances Preston (1796-1825), sister of Cartherine, married a Benjamin
Stanley 15 Jan 1824 in Brunswick, Va.
2) Rebecca L. Poythress (ca 1808 - aft 1860), daughter of Lewis
Poythress, married a Benjamin Stanley (ca 1800 - aft 1860) on 22 Jan 1832
in Mecklenburg, Va.
3) possible children of Benjamin and Rebecca (per 1840, 1850 and 1860
census records): George M. or W. (ca 1836), Sarah F. (ca 1837), Benjamin
L. (ca 1839), John D. (ca 1840), Martha B. J. or R. (ca 1846) and James
W. (ca 1850)

Now my comments on possible ties between Anna Stanley and Benjamin
Stanley husband of Rebecca L. Poythress:
1) Anna as cousin (in the modern sense) of Benjamin Stanley: no evidence
for or against at this time;
2) Anna as sister of Benjamin Stanley: unlikely, given 35+ years
difference in age;
3) Anna as daughter of Benjamin Stanley and Frances Preston: unlikely
given short marriage and necessary age increase for Anna;
4) Anna as daughter of Benjamin Stanley and Rebecca L. Poythress:
unlikely given apparent absence from 1840, 1850 and 1860 census records,
although not to be excluded entirely, considering typical inaccuracies in
census records
5) Anna as daughter-in-law of Benjamin Stanley and Rebecca L. Poythress:
possible to be wife of George M., Benjamin L., John D. or James W.; worth
investigating; especially plausible if couple found to move to proximity
of James and Catherine Poythress in Alabama
6) Anna as granddaughter of Benjamin Stanley and Rebecca L. Poythress:
highly unlikely since none of the four candidate fathers of Anna (the
apparent sons of BS above) were married by 1860

I would appreciate your thoughts and corrections. For reference, I am
including quotes below from your earlier messages regarding this
mysterious photograph...

5 Sep 1997 "I KNOW already, however, that we had a Standley/Stanley
connection in my particular line -- but on the Preston side when Frances
Preston (sister of Catherine Preston, who married James Edward Poythress)
married Benjamin
Stanley 15 Jan 1824, which was sadly followed by Frances' death one year
later on 25 Jan 1825 in Brunswick Co, VA. (Frances was born 17 April
1796 Brunswick Co, VA.)...Since there was also that marriage we are aware
of between Rebecca L. Poythress and Benjamin Standley 22 Jan 1832 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA, I have tried several queries aimed at
Stanley/Standley researchers to determine if this was the same Benjamin
who married first Frances, and then after she
died, 7 years later married Rebecca L...I have photographed a very old
tintype that was in a little photograph
album that belonged to Catherine Preston (Mrs. James Edward Poythress),
which is a tintype labelled 'Cousin Anna Stanley' with no further
identifying data."

11 Jul 1998 "On that lined paper backing, in old script, is written "Anna
Stanley" and the name of the photographer, which appears to be J. C(?)
Slorne, or possibly J. C. Sloane; presumably this was copied from the
original backing by whoever replaced the back with the lined paper. I
would love to know where this photographer worked. From the dress and
hairstyle of Anna, and the fact that it was a tintype, I think the photo
dates from the early 1860s. She appears to be a young adult or possibly
in her late teens."

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Cousin Anna StanleyCharles NealLyn,

Appreciate all your flurry of messages this week on so many different
topics. Wish I had adequate sleep, and wish our disruptive renovation
(with all its accompanying construction dust) were completed so I could
concentrate on such analyses, but . . .

Pretty thorough analysis overall re "Cousin Anna Stanley." I will point
out only one difference from your conclusions in what my thinking has been:

You pegged Anna Stanley's age as about 18-25 in about 1860-65. I, to the
contrary, don't limit it to that age span from the appearance of her
picture, especially having studied other family photos of that era, and
having seen how difficult it is to tell folks' ages then. I think it MORE
likely (from such studying of her picture & other pictures) that she was in
the 23 to 36 age range, with only the outside possibility that she was in
late teens because so many people in their late teens already looked like
(and indeed then were considered to be) full adults. ( As you quoted me, I
said she appears to be a "young adult" and for me, that can fit with the
23-36 range.)

Thus I DO think she could POSSIBLY have been daughter of BenjaminStanley &
Frances Preston, who married 15 Jan 1824. I suspect that Frances could
have died 25 Jan 1825 in/following childbirth, though I certainly have no
indication of her cause of death and it could just as easily have been flu
or any kind of ailment or accident. I have noticed a fair number of quick
first-babies in my research, so perhaps that is what had colored my
thinking toward childbirth. However, playing devils advocate to that, it
would also seem to me that widower-Benjamin would have more quickly sought
a replacement wife if he were a father of a new infant, than waiting 7 yrs
to marry Rebecca Poythress. But then again, perhaps the grandparents (or a
sibling of Frances or of Benjamin) were caring for the new infant . . .

My apologies if this is not coherent: I'm taking my exhaustion to bed.
Keep up the good work!! & do let me know if any business trip will have
you out in L.A. this coming week.
BPN		10/23/1998 10:11:17
LDS CD ReleasesThis just in from our dear friend Helene Pockrus...

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: NC Death RegisterBarbara, I just looked up the North Carolina State Archives site on the
internet
and
found this disappointing news:
"Vital Statistics: Birth/death records were not kept in North Carolina
before October, 1913." I am surprised North Carolina started keeping
vital statistics a full 60 years after Virginia did. And sadly this is a
critical 60 year period for those of us with 19th-century Poythress
"progenitors". However, some localities in Virginia kept vital
statistics in spite of state apathy. Perhaps this could be the case for
Vance or Warren counties?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:07:03 EDT Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Lyn,
>
>When in Henderson, NC several years ago, I was directed to the oldest
>funeral
>home there but they said their records did not go back far enough for
>David
>Poythress who died in 1876.
>
>Realize now that I should be looking in both Vance and Warren County.
>
>Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>Barbara (BPW)
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Brain DeadSending along the draft of this one in case anyone would like to look for
snakes I may have overlooked. The "Bob" to whom I am sending questions is Bob
Peavy,
something of the original guru of Screven Genealogy.

Screven County, Georgia Private Cemetery

Scott/Poythress/Gross/Mills/Sanders

It is believed that this cemetery is not listed nor inventoried in either of
the previous inventories of Screven County cemeteries: "Footprints in the
Sands of Time" by Willie Mae Yeomans, a private cemetery supplement to prior
D. A. R. cemetery surveys covered in two volumes, 1955-57.

Restoration on a portion of this cemetery was begun soon after uncovering the
gravestones and this inventory was taken 16 August, 1998. The information
below transcribes text from individual tombstones. There is evidence of other
graves either unmarked and or with major parts of headstones broken and
missing.

The Scott stones appear to be granite, were found standing and are reasonably
well preserved. The Mills stones, enclosed with a concrete block wall about
four feet high, are also granite and well preserved.

The Poythress, Sanders and Gross stones appear to be made of molded concrete
and show considerable deterioration. Most of these stones apparently toppled
over many years ago. They were uncovered by probing in the accumulated leaf
mast and humus. These stones are being repaired where broken and are to be
replaced on the original sites.

Scott

Martha Scott Denis Scott
November 27, 1813 February 17, 1803
July 24, 1888 June 19, 1874
Rest Mother, rest in Rest Father, rest in
quiet sleep, quiet sleep,
While friends in Sorrow While friends in Sorrow
O'er thee Weep O'er thee Weep

[footstone: M. S.] [footstone: D. S.]

(1)

[single stone]

Mary Virginia Scott Martha Ann Scott
March 23, 1846 March 10, 1838
January 27, 1921 September 2, 1902
She is safe in She is safe in
her Father's home above her Father's home above

Poythress

In Memory In Memory
of
of
John M. Poythress Rhoda E. Poythress
Born
Born
July 26, 1832 March 28, 1828
Died
Died
October 1, 1866 May 9, 1884
Quiet rest our Quiet rest
our
Angel Father Angel Mother

[footstone: J. M. P.] [footstone: R. E. P.]

[following is contemporary granite veteran's marker placed 16 Aug 1998]

JOHN M POYTHRESS
PVT CO D 47 GA INF
CONFEDERATE STATES ARMY
JUL 26 1832 OCT 1 1866

In Memory
of
J. W. Poythress
Born
March 21, 1865
Died
May 4, 1877
(2)
Gross

In Memory of
William Gross
?/?/1825
?/?/1886
[note: above from headstone fragments; also, the 1886 is questionable]

In Memory of
Ann A. Gross
March 25, 1825
June 20, 1912
"Asleep in Jesus"

Mills

The Mills portion of this cemetery is contained in a concrete block wall 4
feet in height built as an outside perimenter to what was the original area
enclosed by 6" marble coping 23' x 25'. This area contains the graves of
Stephen B. Mills and his wife Fannie D. Mills, along with what can be inferred
(from the text and stone sizes) to be four children lost at early ages.
There are no inscriptions other than those shown.

[first is double headstone, others single]

Stephen B. Mills Fannie D. Mills
March 3, 1851 October 3, 1850
January 11, 1900 September 17, 1897

Belle
Elizabeth
daughter of daughter of
S. B. & Fannie Mills S. B. & Fannie Mills

Sallie
Francis
daughter of son of
S. B. & Fannie Mills S. B. & Francis Mills
(3)
Sanders

In my Father's House are Many Mansions
Hattie Sanders
October 31, 1869
April 16, 1903
"At Rest"

Infant of D. W. &
Hattie Sanders
Apr 13, 1903
Apr 13, 1903
"Our Little Daughter"

Write-up by: John M. Poythress [vkratliff@aol.com]
Date 29 August 1998
(32.4700Nx81.3600W)

(4)
Genealogy notes on individuals interred:

Scott

Denis Scott was the son of Revolutionary War veteran James Scott b.1759 m.1
Sarah Brunson, m.2 Clarimond Harden, m.3 Temperence Rawls). Denis Scott
married Martha Gross 3 Sep 1833. Martha (Gross) Scott was the daughter of
William Gross who m. Harriet Burns ca 1814.

Martha Ann Scott and Mary Virginia Scott (sisters) were unmarried daughters of
Denis Scott and Martha (Gross) Scott.

Poythress

John Maner Poythress was the son of Meredith Poythress, Jr. by his second
wife, Susan R. Maner. Contemporaneous material states that John Poythress
died of yellow fever contracted in Mr. Lincoln's War.

Rhoda E. (Gross) Poythress was the youngest daughter of William H. Gross and
his wife, Harriet Burns Gross (d. 1849). When William Gross died in 1830,
Rhoda Gross (at about age 2) was moved to Sylvania to live with her
brother Edmund B. Gross and his wife Susan Mercer Gross. Rhoda Gross married
John Maner Poythress on 5 Apr 1854.

A son born after the death of his father John Maner Poythress, Horace Cullen
Poythress (1867-1918) m.2 Flossie O. Wells (1878-1914). Both are buried at
McBride Methodist Church Cemetery. At the present time (1998) a
Poythress/Wells family reunion has been held continously in Sylvania for over
50 years. In recent years the site has been the Meeting Room of McBride
Methodist Church. Included in this group are many representatives of the
historic Screven County families of Bazemore, Reddick, and Godbee.

The grave of J. W. Poythress is that of John Willie Poythress, an earlier son
of John Maner and Rhoda (Gross) Poythress who died in childhood.

(5)

Gross

William Gross (1825-18??) is presumed to be a brother of Rhoda Gross.

Ann A. Gross is an unmarried sister of Rhoda Gross. Records indicate that the
tomb of Kissiah Gross, another unmarried sister is also supposed to be in
this cemetery.

Sanders

(7)

Bob, I have not been letting this one lie fallow. It just takes a ton of time
to put one of them together, especially if one wants to add genealogical notes
on the interees of a cemetery......a matter which looks to me more and more to
be a tarbaby. I am not nearly ready to "publish" this one.....especially if it
is to have the added genealogical notes which struck me originally as a nice
"added" touch.....but I have waltzed myself into some briar patches trying to
get there and now need to ask for your guidance and knowledge.

I'm attaching the text for your criticism and corrections and comments on all
or any parts but especially the following:

1) not particularly a "question" but note that I intend to show the location
by
"coordinates" that are awaiting delivery of a U. S. Geological Survey map to
establish the coordinates precisely. The coordinates shown on this draft are
approximate. The purpose is to obfuscate with respect to a precise location
on the theory that most amatuer genealogists will not even recognize what they
are. This is my answer to the potential problem of someday finding a
landowner who may loose the zest for cooperation if it's imagined that a cast
of thousands will show up the next morning. This is a matter which you and I
(of course) know will not happen but someday it's going to be a tough sell to
a property owner.

Further, in the "big picture", coordinates strike me as a superior locating
device. Such and such road may be long gone after you and I are gone but the
coordinates will remain the same forever provided our descendents don't blow
up the world.

Comments or guidance?

2. I was forever trying to work out acceptable time frames for the generations
of Scott folks and Gross folks. Denis (as spelled on tombstone) m. Martha
Gross 3 Sep 1833. I make Rhoda E.("E"- Elizabeth?- on tombstone but Gross was
maiden name) to be a sister of Martha (Gross) Scott....but I was originally
shaky here until it came home to me that a lady born in 1828 (Rhoda) was more
likely to be a sister of a fecund 1833 bride (Martha) than the youngest
daughter? Agree?

Further, it is stated (private letter of 30 Aug 1993 Arthur Gross) that Rhoda
was the
"youngest daughter of William H. Gross and his wife Harriet Burns
Gross".....presumably (in my scenario) William H. Gross and Harriet Burns
Gross are ALSO the father and mother of Martha Gross, Rhoda's older sister.

In what seems to be further corroboration, Arthur Gross states that on the
death of
William Gross in 1830, Rhoda (at about age 1-2) goes "to Sylvania" to live
with her
brother Edmund B. Gross "until she married Poythress" (1854). This looks very
acceptable to me. Does it to you? Gross also gives the date of death for
Harriet Burns Gross as 1849 and I think we have this more or less as a matter
of record.
Edmund Gross (1818-1891) would be about the right age to be an older brother
to Rhoda Gross.

3. As a matter of unexplored curiosity, we know that Horace Cullen Poythress
(1867-
1918) m.1 a "Susan Mercer" who died in 1899. Obviously this is not the same
Susan Mercer who m. Edmund Burns Gross on 1 Jan 1840......certainly Horace
Cullen Poythress wouldn't (couldn't) marry his own mother-in-law. But we know
that the lady he did marry was a great deal older than Horace Cullen Poythress
and was named Susan Mercer. Wonder where he found ANOTHER Susan Mercer?
(admittedly, Screven County was awash in Mercers about that time). Obviously,
the Susan Mercer buried in McBride Cemetery (1824-1902) beside Edmund Gross is
the wife of Edmund Gross. And the Susan Mercer buried in the Gross Cemetery
is Horace Cullen's wife.....but finding two of them must have been a
coincidence.

4. At the top of page 4.....making this William Gross (1825-18??, probably
1866) a brother of Rhoda E. Gross and another son of William Gross and Harriet
Burns Gross seemed to be almost a certainty. But genealogy teaches us to
beware of
"certainties". Would you disagree with this one?

5. At first blush, I was fairly comfortable with making this Ann A. Gross
(1825-1912) an unmarried sister of Rhoda Gross Poythress. She shows up (along
with Kissiah Gross) living with Rhoda in dwelling # 883 in the 1870 census.
In this census, Rhoda is 40, Ann is 36, and Kissiah is 35. (my mother's
records show Kissiah buried in this same cemetery -calling both Ann and
Kissiah sisters of Rhoda -and I am very much inclined to believe that Kissiah
is also buried here although we did not discover her tombstone).

But then comes the catch: If Rhoda is indeed "the youngest daughter of
William Gross and Harriet Burns Gross" who are Ann and Kissiah? Cousins
maybe? Or was Arthur Gross perhaps wrong in calling Rhoda "the youngest
daughter of, etc."? I'm leary of betting against Arthur Gross but maybe he is
wrong on this one. The old boy's memory is (was?)like a steel trap. Your
thoughts?

6) Sanders graves.....I'm at a loss here but I have what I think is a
reasonable speculation which you can likely prove or disprove with a quick
look at your Screven census. Daniel W. Poythress (brother of John Maner
Poythress) married Laura J. Scott; they are buried together in the McBride
Cemetery. They show in the 1870 census -dwelling #875- with a child named
Hattie aged 9/12 years. This "new" cemetery's tombstone for Hattie Sanders
indicates birth October 31, 1869. My guess would be Hattie Sanders was nee
Poythress and married a D. W. Sanders whom I am as yet unable to identify.

Bob, may I impose upon you for your guidance to help me wrap this one up and
get it published. Many, many thanks.

Maynard		10/25/1998 4:34:22
Re: Screven Private CemeteryHaving a "cemetery project" of my own just now, I find this very
interesting. The last burial noted is 1921 and within about 35 years
(1955-57) the cemetery is forgotten (or at least unnoticed). And this
cemetery even had decent stones with real information on them (pardon my
envy)! Would you happen to know whether there are any laws - common or
statutory, state or federal - regarding 1) disturbance/desecration of
monuments and graves or 2) right of access to grave sites on private
property?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: NC Death RegisterSarah, I suspect it would not be hard to identify that newspaper, there
being so few covering events in Franklin Co. at that time. Perhaps the
NC Archives will be able to point you to a reference on NC newspapers and
tell you where a given newspaper would be archived as well. Did the JLP
obit reference surviving siblings or other relatives? This would be very
helpful in placing him since we know lots of names of grandchildren of
Lewis Poythress.

Happy hunting on this as well as on estate papers for Edward and Mahaley
Poythress.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:58:03 -0400 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>Lyn,
>
>I called the register of deeds in Vance & Franklin County and found
>out they didn't keep death records before 1913. I went to Raleigh
>this afternoon & found Soundex records for 1906 to about 1926.
>I think JLP died in 1905, therefore I didn't find him. Definitely
>didn't
>find David. Back in about Feb. or March I looked at the delayed death
>records for Vance County, but did not findeither one. Later & looked
>in Franklin Co. still no luck. I have a copy of JLP and Tabitha Ann's
>obituaries, but they don't give much information. JLP's does say he
>was born Aug. 28, 1828 in Mecklenburg Co. The person that cut this out
>didn't save the name of the newspaper or the date it was prited.
>It states that he was buried at New Bethel Church, which is in Epsom,
>NC,
>Franklin County. The lady that is in charge of the records there could
>not
>find a record of this. I am going to go back to Franklin County & dig
>some
>more.
>
>Sarah
>
>

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LDS Vital Records CD'sHi Helene.....how have you been?

On one of the VA-ROOTS pages there is considerable chatter about a new set of
CD's published by LDS containing (presumably) all "LDS Vital Records" for the
U. S.

This "set" is 7 CD's and an 8th CD which is a Resource File Viewer CD which
you install on hard drive to let you read the other 7.

Advertised price (or at least as reported by some folks on the VA page) is 19
bucks for all 8 discs postpaid .....difficult to believe unless this is a
"mission" by LDS. They say further that the $19 "package" is back-ordered by
10,000 quantity but shipment is supposed to be made to LDS "warehouse" by Nov.
28 at which time they will be in a position to ship all back orders to
individuals who have ordered.

No address to order was provided and no doubt other aspects of the message
were jumbled and maybe completely untrue......but......I figured if anybody
knew it would be you. Can you enlighten us on this one? Certainly sounds
like a dynamite resource and for 19 bucks I'd have to say the price is right;
i. e. "where do I send my order?" 🙂

Many thanks,

Maynard		10/27/1998 8:31:54
Re: Screven Private CemeteryLyn.....re laws protecting cemeteries. I think this might be a good question
for someone at a university to shoot over to his buddy in the law department
for a
half page answer. 🙂

I will take some halfway educated guesses for you. First, I suspect most of
these
instances are covered by state law and thus vary. Second, I would be
reasonably sure that most states have laws against desecretion of a
cemetery.....and in the rare instance where maybe they wouldn't have specific
cemetery laws, there would at least be statues with respect to vandalism
and/or prorperty damage that would apply. But my guess is that is a crime
awfully difficult to catch.....you just gotta figure most of it is done by
kids in the night time. I suppose a second danger would be Farmer Brown
plowing the thing under.

I had not given your questions much thought because I was not dealing with
those
points; my cemetery was a victim of neglect and abandonment for a period of
roughly
100 years. I assumed (and still assume) there are no laws in this respect.

One part of Georgia law with which I familiarized myself was the section
pertaining to access to a cemetery now on private property. The property
owner is required to permit reasonable access to descendents.....and golly, by
extension that would seem to prohibit the property owner from damaging the
thing even if it did not require the property owner to "maintain" the
cemetery.

Best I can do....and no legal ability claimed.

Maynard		10/27/1998 10:28:59
LDS - New ItemsThe wires are buzzing about the new offerings from the LDS folks. And at 7
CD-ROM's for 19 bucks it looks like the church is graciously subsidizing some
of the cost.

Site is: http://lds.org/en/4_News_Update/19980929_Genealogy_PR.html

That's a four page site and the descriptions are comprehensive....but here is
a quick and dirty:

1. British Vital Records Index 1538-1888, 5 CD's $15. I did not order.
Figured I'd scan that in a library somewhere rather than pay $15 for what is
likely one or two names if that much.

2. North American Vital Records 1620-1888, 7 CD's $19. I ordered. They are
back-ordered but expect delivery in "few days".

3. Family History SourceGuide.....$10. See description. I ordered.

4. 1851 British Census, 1 CD, $10. I passed.

5. Australian Vital Records Index, 4 CDs, $20. I passed.

Unless you need instant gratification, you may want to wait and I'll review
for the group the ones I ordered. If they are loaded with enough of our names
to be "working
material" you can order them later.

Maynard		10/28/1998 11:19:42
Kudos for Al....where ever he may be.A lady on VA-ROOTS asked about the availability of the book re Francis Epes'
Descendents. I replied:

> Donna:
>
> Answers to your questions are: yes, yes, and yes.
>
> I ordered on 10/13 and got a copy week later. Send check for $30 to
>
> Mrs. Herbert R. Holden
> 430 Greenwood Drive
> Petersburg, VA 23805. There is a tad of Epes "puffery" in there but shoot,
if
> I had enough to write a book I guess I'd puff too. I considered it a good
> value for my purposes.
>
> Yes, I am told Mr. Dorman plans Vol. 2 but I have seen no details.
>
> There are approximately 60 references to Poythress family in Vol. 1 as the
two
> families intersected via marriage and other relationships from time to time.
> I have a
> 17" x 11" chart prepared by noted Va. genealogist R. Bolling Batte in 1977.
> Title is
> "Chart of Poythress Family in Va." and it covers parts of 10 generations and
> shows the Eppes connections in an easily viewable format. Reason nobody has
> it on line is that I can't figure out how to get a small print chart 17 x 11
> on a computer screen.
> In anticipation of that, I made a gazillion hard copies of the chart and
mail
> it to those sending me a snail mail address. No charge, I do genealogy for
> kicks.
>
> The full "text" of the above Batte chart may be accessed on the Poythress
> webpage:
>
> http://www1.minn.net/~atims
>
> Send full name and address if you'd like copy of chart itself.
>
> Good luck,
>
> John M. Poythress
> [vkratliff@aol.com]

She said:

Subj: Re: Desc. Francis Epes
Date: 10/29/98 5:52:33 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: sarchet@WBU1.WBU.EDU (Donna Sarchet)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

John--
Thank you so much for your informative response to my VA query on the
Epps family. By the way, I have been aware of your web site for about 6
months (via a kind soul on Roots-L) and think it is *wonderfully* done.
In fact, if I ever get around to figuring out how to do a web page, I
think I'm going to use the type of format style you use--the Allied
Families, etc. being separately addressed. Also, I was quite impressed
with your easy-to-locate documentation! (What a novel idea!)

By the way, a very good e-mail friend of mine is descended from the
Poythress and Epps families--Danny Knight (aka Thomas Daniel Knight of
LaGrange, GA). He is currently in Williamsburg, VA working on his
dissertation from Oxford. Mr. Dorman has asked Danny to help him with
the Knight material that will be in the new Epps book. So far, Danny is
up to 28 pages that are supposed to be included. However, Danny hasn't
heard from Mr. Dorman in several months and was wondering when the book
was supposed to come out. Dorman had originally said this past summer
or fall. However, someone else e-mailed me today that it's Fall 1999.

My connection to the Epps is through Elizabeth Epps, dau. of Daniel
Epps. She was the wife of John Knight who resided in Sussex/Surry
Counties, VA; John Knight left a 1760 Surry Co. will naming his
children, which included minor son Richard Knight. This Richard Knight
(b. ca. 1750) is my ancestor.

Two other people and I have been extensively researching Richard Knight
for the past several years, and just last year were able to prove (by a
preponderance of the evidence, family association, and naming patterns)
our Knight/Epps connection to VA. (Richard was in Martin Co., NC by 1774
and then in Greene Co., GA by 1793; he died in Butts Co., GA in 1830.)
Danny Knight (whose Knight line is different than mine; but he
researches all Southern Knights) has forwarded our summary and materials
to Mr. Dorman for consideration in his new book. That was back in July,
and none of us has heard from Mr. Dorman since then. Hope springs
eternal!

I would very much like to have a copy of your chart! I will peruse it,
make a copy for me, and then send it on to Danny. I know as a
Poythress/Epps descendant (and a genealogist since age 14) he will be
thrilled! (Danny is not on-line.) I know you do genealogy for fun, but
I would be happy to send you the cost of the chart and mailing expense.

Donna Sarchet
1807 Ennis St.
Plainview, TX 79702-3615

I will, of course, send this kind lady TWO charts......and Al, you may take a
bow!!!

Maynard		10/29/1998 1:18:13
Re: Disks!!!Smile SmileIf you already got 'em (nothing like being on the spot) by all means extract
the P. info and put it to the list......I'm sure they would be most happy to
get it. Would also take some of the suspense out of my wait. After your
description, I'm figuring on being pleasantly surprised.

I had already resigned myself to copying the two or three P's and donating the
disks to somebody named Jones or Smith. 🙂

Best,

Maynard

10/29/1998 1:22:00
Georgia Law re Burial SitesLyn:

Coincidentally with your recent question on laws pertaining to burial sites,
someone posted applicable Georgia law on the subject. As I said before
though, I'm almost sure this is a state propositon so you would have to look
to Virginia law in your case.

My guess is it's likely there wouldn't be too much difference because most of
the law written in the past 25 years (and protecting graveyards is relatively
recent stuff) is formulated by some state attorney general writing a
comprehensive and well done law which is then deemed "model" by most of the
states who will copycat the thing with minor revisions.

Sad to say, my guess is that a lot of this is counter-productive. I have a
hard time seeing a developer go through all this snake dance IF his
alternative is to just plow the thing under and no one is the wiser. That
would lead me to believe that unless the developer gets caught ahead of time,
this is a law more honored in the breach than the observance.

Anyway, here it is:

>36-72-4 G>*** CODE SECTION *** 08/26/98>> 36-72-4.>> No known cemetery,
burial ground, human remains, or burial object> shall be knowingly disturbed
by the owner or occupier of the land on> which the cemetery or burial ground
is located for the purposes of> developing or changing the use of any part of
such land unless a> permit is first obtained from the governing authority of
the> municipal corporation or county wherein the cemetery or burial> ground
is located, which shall have authority to permit such> activity except as
provided in Code Section 36-72-14.>>36-72-5 G>*** CODE SECTION *** 08/26/98>>
36-72-5.>> Application for a permit shall include, at a minimum, the
following> information:>> (1) Evidence of ownership of the land on which
the cemetery or> burial ground is located in the form of a legal opinion
based upon> a title search;>> (2) A report prepared by an archeologist
stating the number of> graves believed to be present and their locations as
can be> determined from the use of minimally invasive investigation>
techniques, including remote sensing methods and the use of metal> probes,
which activities shall not require a permit;>> (3) A survey prepared by or
under the direction of a registered> surveyor showing the location and
boundaries of the cemetery or> burial ground based on an archeologist's
report;>> (4) A plan prepared by a genealogist for identifying and
notifying> the descendants of those buried or believed to be buried in
such> cemetery. If those buried or believed to be buried are of>
aboriginal or American Indian descent, the genealogist, in> preparing the
notification plan, shall consult with the Council on> American Indian
Concerns created pursuant to Code Section> 44-12-280 and shall include in
the notification plan not only any> known descendants of those presumed
buried but also any American> Indian tribes as defined in paragraph (2) of
Code Section> 44-12-260 that are culturally affiliated; and>> (5) A
proposal for mitigation or avoidance of the effects of the> planned
activity on the cemetery or burial ground. If the> proposal includes
relocation of any human remains or burial> objects, the proposal shall
specify the method of disinterment,> the location and method of disposition
of the remains, the> approximate cost of the process, and the approximate
number of> graves affected.>>36-72-7 G>*** CODE SECTION *** 08/26/98>>
36-72-7.>> (a) Within 15 days after it is satisfied that all reasonable
effort> has been made to notify descendants, as provided in Code Section>
36-72-6, and following receipt of the recommendations of a board or>
commission created pursuant to Code Section 36-72-9, the governing> authority
shall schedule a public hearing at which any interested> party or citizen may
appear and be given an opportunity to be heard.> In addition to the notice
required in Code Section 36-72-6, notice> of the public hearing shall be
advertised in the legal organ of the> jurisdiction once a week for the two
consecutive weeks immediately> preceding the week in which any such hearing
is held.>> (b) Within 30 days after the conclusion of the public hearing,
the> governing authority shall notify the applicant in writing of its>
decision. The governing authority shall have the authority to deny> the
application with written reasons therefor, to issue a permit> adopting the
application in whole or in part, or to issue a permit> which may include
additional requirements to mitigate the proposed> activity's adverse effects
on the cemetery or burial ground,> including but not limited to relocation of
the proposed project,> reservation of the cemetery or burial ground as an
undeveloped area> within the proposed development or use of land, and
respectful> disinterment and proper disposition of the human remains. The>
governing authority may adopt the applicant's proposal for> mitigation.		10/29/1998 5:32:05
Poythress Marriages on the Vital Records of North AmericaHelene PockrusPOYTHRESS Ann ADAMS Emerson M713857 2340221
POYTHRESS, Anna Marr 1899 GEOR Sp: Emerson ADAMS
POYTHRESS Arthur MELTON Ora M713853 2337225
POYTHRESS, Arthur Marr 1872 GEOR Sp: Orie MELTON
POYTHRESS Arthur RICHARDSON Leila M712643 2063468
POYTHRESS, Arthur Marr 1886 GEOR Sp: Lillia A. RICHARDSON
POYTHRESS Catherine GILBERT William M593441 1698758
POYTHRESS, Catharin J. Marr 1856 ALAB Sp: William GILBERT
POYTHRESS Catherine THORNTON Wesley M713852 2336281
POYTHRESS, Catharine Marr 1868 GEOR Sp: Wesley THORNTON
POYTHRESS Cecelia CAMERON Charles M713854 2338155
POYTHRESS, Silla Marr 1876 GEOR Sp: Charles CAMERON
POYTHRESS Charles WHITE Lucy M516807 466735
POYTHRESS, Charles W. Marr 1893 MISP Sp: Lucy E. WHITE
POYTHRESS Cora THORNTON Arthur M713857 2340232
POYTHRESS, Cora Marr 1900 GEOR Sp: Arthur THORNTON
POYTHRESS Eliza ADAMS Walter M713857 2339941
POYTHRESS, Elyza Marr 1898 GEOR Sp: Walter ADAMS
POYTHRESS Gus BATTLE Harriet M713853 2336614
POYTHRESS, Gus Marr 1869 GEOR Sp: Harriet BATTLE
POYTHRESS Henry MARTIN Elizabeth M713853 2336960
POYTHRESS, Henry Marr 1871 GEOR Sp: Elizabeth MARTIN
POYTHRESS Isabel SPENCER Richard M712266 1989139
POYTHRESS, Isabell Marr 1889 GEOR Sp: Richard SPENCER
POYTHRESS J BROWN Minnie M592493 1383996
POYTHRESS, J. H. Marr 1890 TEX Sp: Minnie BROWN
POYTHRESS James JOHNSON Caroline M591923 1277708
POYTHRESS, James Marr 1888 TEX Sp: Carrie JOHNSON
POYTHRESS James HERRING Savannah M713857 2340285
POYTHRESS, James Marr 1900 GEOR Sp: Savannah HERRING
POYTHRESS Jessie PHILLIPS C M713857 2340260
POYTHRESS, Jessie Marr 1900 GEOR Sp: C. T. PHILLIPS
POYTHRESS Joseph KING Mary M713911 2353382
POYTHRESS, Joseph Marr 1814 GEOR Sp: Mary KING
POYTHRESS Lovey THORNTON Samuel M713854 2338388
POYTHRESS, Lovey Marr 1878 GEOR Sp: Samuel THORNTON
POYTHRESS Luke CURTRIGHT Amelia M713853 2337502
POYTHRESS, Luke Marr 1874 GEOR Sp: Amelia CURTRIGHT
POYTHRESS Mary BARNARD J M713853 2337399
POYTHRESS, Mary L. Marr 1873 GEOR Sp: J. M. BARNARD
POYTHRESS Minerva MITCHELL Thomas M713853 2336787
POYTHRESS, Minerva Marr 1870 GEOR Sp: Thomas MITCHEL
POYTHRESS Molly WHITFIELD Charles M713853 2336961
POYTHRESS, Mollie Marr 1871 GEOR Sp: Charles WHITFIELD
POYTHRESS Robin OWENS Jenny M713853 2336985
POYTHRESS, Robin Marr 1871 GEOR Sp: Jennie OWEN
POYTHRESS Rosanna WHITFIELD Lemuel M713853 2337684
POYTHRESS, Rosanah Marr 1875 GEOR Sp: Lem WHITFIELD
POYTHRESS Sally MARTIN Wallace M713857 2339195
POYTHRESS, Sallie Marr 1894 GEOR Sp: Wallace MARTIN
POYTHRESS Samuel THORNTON Caroline M713852 2336294
POYTHRESS, Samuel Marr 1867 GEOR Sp: Caroline THORNTON
POYTHRESS Sarah BECK John M712392 2012456
POYTHRESS, Sarah M. Marr 1837 GEOR Sp: John BECK
POYTHRESS Sarah BECK John M712396 2015028
POYTHRESS, Sarah M. Marr 1837 GEOR Sp: John BECK
POYTHRESS Sarah SOWELL James M712393 2013184
POYTHRESS, Sarah E. Marr 1849 GEOR Sp: James A. SOWELL
POYTHRESS Sarah SOWELL James M712397 2015798
POYTHRESS, Sarah E. Marr 1849 GEOR Sp: James A. SOWELL
POYTHRESS Solomon DICK Minerva M713852 2336561
POYTHRESS, Soloman Marr 1869 GEOR Sp: Minerva DIX
POYTHRESS Stephen MORGAN Ann M713853 2336795
POYTHRESS, Stepney Marr 1870 GEOR Sp: Anna MORGAN
POYTHRESS T USHER Julia M712713 2090927
POYTHRESS, T. B. Marr 1895 GEOR Sp: Julia USHER
POYTHRESS Walter BROUSE Mary M712889 2125277
POYTHRESS, Walter E. Marr 1888 GEOR Sp: Mary J. BROUSE
POYTHRESS Walter WOODRUFF Josie M713857 2339341
POYTHRESS, Walter Marr 1895 GEOR Sp: Josie WOODRUFF
POYTHRESS William BEST Ann M712407 2027061
POYTHRESS, William J. Marr 1893 GEOR Sp: Annie M. BEST		10/31/1998 7:20:05
Eppes BookSheryl....

Do you "need" it? Based on checking your specific names in the index, I'd
probably say maybe. No "Norah" Eppes, no George Woodliff although there is a
"Capt. John Woodleife and a George Potter apointed to examine the difference
between Capt. Robert Wynne for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman"....which zings
right down our alley. This is the first time I have seen that Sloeman-
Sloman' name in print. You will recall that it just keeps coming up that the
maiden name of Mary Poythress (widow of Francis) was Sloman and she m. 2 Capt.
Wynne. So here is that Sloman connection, or at least a reasonable look at
it.

On the whole this is an excellent quality book "physically", authored by John
Fredrick Dorman, certainly no slouch in Va. colonial genealogy although he is
functioning in this instance as a hired gun. It's just a nice hardback,
sketches, color illustrations, etc.

The thing that impresses me is that the bottom half of virtually every page is
covered with footnotes of very specific documentation.....as one might well
expect from an author of Dorman's reputation.

I'll put it this way.....if I had the only copy and some guy offered me a
hundred bucks for it I wouldn't take it. I guess I'd say there's a good
chance you have spent 30 bucks a lot worse in your lifetime.

Maynard		11/02/1998 2:36:07
James Edward Poythress and David PoythressBarbara and Barbara, I am interested to understand the evidence that
James Edward Poythress and David Poythress are brothers. Could you help?
What is the evidence trail through James Speed Poythress? And is there
another evidence trail other than through James Speed Poythress?

Regarding the JSP connection, I see from list archives three citations
verifying James Speed Poythress of MS as son of David Poythress of NC:
1) the invitations to weddings of sons of James Speed Poythress found in
the possession of Indiana Twisdale Poythress of NC, daughter-in-law of
David Poythress;
2) the presence of a James S. Poythress as heir in the Letters of
Administration upon the estate of David Poythress;
3) the funeral record of James Speed Poythress citing his father as David
Poythress.
This is certainly enough to convince me! Then what is the evidence
connecting JSP to JEP? I have seen claims that James Speed Poythress is
the nephew of James Edward Poythress. Is there a citation for this claim
of JEP/JSP relationship?

Or am I barking up the wrong tree, meaning that the best evidence trail
linking JEP to David P. is not through JSP at all but rather through
another route entirely? I'm sure you will be able to straighten me out.
Thanks for any help you might be able to provide.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Georgia Law re Burial SitesMaynard, thanks so much for this information. In my experience there are
certain complications that make graves in southside Virginia vulnerable:

1) Poor markings: Many graves are marked only with small fieldstones,
very easy to overlook even for the conscientious landowner.
2) Forestry: Loblolly pine cultivation involves heavy machinery and
heavy undergrowth. Many family cemeteries are on lands that are now
experiencing their second and third cuttings. After each cycle more
sites are lost.
3) Turnover of ownership: Until the 1950s a combination of stable
culture and land ownership meant fairly decent "collective memory" about
cemetery plots. Now only a small minority of owners are intimately
familiar with the history of their property.

I do not know whether you have similar problems in Georgia or not.
Anyway, maybe a law could help a knowing family member ward of
unintentional damage out of ignorance. Thanks again.

[By the way, I am not hostile toward pine cultivation. I raise some pine
trees myself and am of the persuasion that intelligent pine cultivation
is a net gain for the environment and for civilization!]

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:32:05 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Lyn:
>
>Coincidentally with your recent question on laws pertaining to burial
>sites,
>someone posted applicable Georgia law on the subject. As I said
>before
>though, I'm almost sure this is a state propositon so you would have
>to look
>to Virginia law in your case.
>
>My guess is it's likely there wouldn't be too much difference because
>most of
>the law written in the past 25 years (and protecting graveyards is
>relatively
>recent stuff) is formulated by some state attorney general writing a
>comprehensive and well done law which is then deemed "model" by most
>of the
>states who will copycat the thing with minor revisions.
>
>Sad to say, my guess is that a lot of this is counter-productive. I
>have a
>hard time seeing a developer go through all this snake dance IF his
>alternative is to just plow the thing under and no one is the wiser.
>That
>would lead me to believe that unless the developer gets caught ahead
>of time,
>this is a law more honored in the breach than the observance.
>
>Anyway, here it is:
>
>>36-72-4 G>*** CODE SECTION *** 08/26/98>> 36-72-4.>> No known
>cemetery,
>burial ground, human remains, or burial object> shall be knowingly
>disturbed
>by the owner or occupier of the land on> which the cemetery or burial
>ground
>is located for the purposes of> developing or changing the use of any
>part of
>such land unless a> permit is first obtained from the governing
>authority of
>the> municipal corporation or county wherein the cemetery or burial>
>ground
>is located, which shall have authority to permit such> activity
>except as
>provided in Code Section 36-72-14.>>36-72-5 G>*** CODE SECTION ***
>08/26/98>>
>36-72-5.>> Application for a permit shall include, at a minimum, the
>following> information:>> (1) Evidence of ownership of the land on
>which
>the cemetery or> burial ground is located in the form of a legal
>opinion
>based upon> a title search;>> (2) A report prepared by an
>archeologist
>stating the number of> graves believed to be present and their
>locations as
>can be> determined from the use of minimally invasive
>investigation>
>techniques, including remote sensing methods and the use of metal>
>probes,
>which activities shall not require a permit;>> (3) A survey
>prepared by or
>under the direction of a registered> surveyor showing the location
>and
>boundaries of the cemetery or> burial ground based on an
>archeologist's
>report;>> (4) A plan prepared by a genealogist for identifying and
>notifying> the descendants of those buried or believed to be buried
>in
>such> cemetery. If those buried or believed to be buried are of>
>aboriginal or American Indian descent, the genealogist, in>
>preparing the
>notification plan, shall consult with the Council on> American
>Indian
>Concerns created pursuant to Code Section> 44-12-280 and shall
>include in
>the notification plan not only any> known descendants of those
>presumed
>buried but also any American> Indian tribes as defined in paragraph
>(2) of
>Code Section> 44-12-260 that are culturally affiliated; and>>
>(5) A
>proposal for mitigation or avoidance of the effects of the> planned
>activity on the cemetery or burial ground. If the> proposal
>includes
>relocation of any human remains or burial> objects, the proposal
>shall
>specify the method of disinterment,> the location and method of
>disposition
>of the remains, the> approximate cost of the process, and the
>approximate
>number of> graves affected.>>36-72-7 G>*** CODE SECTION ***
>08/26/98>>
>36-72-7.>> (a) Within 15 days after it is satisfied that all
>reasonable
>effort> has been made to notify descendants, as provided in Code
>Section>
>36-72-6, and following receipt of the recommendations of a board or>
>commission created pursuant to Code Section 36-72-9, the governing>
>authority
>shall schedule a public hearing at which any interested> party or
>citizen may
>appear and be given an opportunity to be heard.> In addition to the
>notice
>required in Code Section 36-72-6, notice> of the public hearing shall
>be
>advertised in the legal organ of the> jurisdiction once a week for
>the two
>consecutive weeks immediately> preceding the week in which any such
>hearing
>is held.>> (b) Within 30 days after the conclusion of the public
>hearing,
>the> governing authority shall notify the applicant in writing of
>its>
>decision. The governing authority shall have the authority to deny>
>the
>application with written reasons therefor, to issue a permit>
>adopting the
>application in whole or in part, or to issue a permit> which may
>include
>additional requirements to mitigate the proposed> activity's adverse
>effects
>on the cemetery or burial ground,> including but not limited to
>relocation of
>the proposed project,> reservation of the cemetery or burial ground
>as an
>undeveloped area> within the proposed development or use of land, and
>respectful> disinterment and proper disposition of the human remains.
> The>
>governing authority may adopt the applicant's proposal for>
>mitigation.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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James Edward Poythress and David PoythressCharles Neal11-2-98

Lyn, re your " > I have seen claims that James Speed Poythress is the
nephew of James Edward Poythress. Is there a citation for this claim of
JEP/JSP relationship?" the only place I can today recall having seen this
in print (though I'd welcome anyone's reminder if I am forgetting something
major) is in the book with the long title (below) compiled by Betty
Lawrence (who is now deceased & was wife of Dr. Tom Lawrence) and published
at his Mount Barton Publishers, 4201 Pineview Drive, Meridian, MS 39305,
phone (601) 482-2505. The book was originally published in October 1978,
revised in 1/79, 4/80, and 8/93; the 8/93 edition shows copyright in 1993.
Title: __Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr. and James Edward and
Catherine Smith [sic] (Preston) Poythress, and Descendants, and Related
Families Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, McKinley, Peel, Pinson__ [Note:
the "sic" is added by me, because I have determined from family records
that her middle name appears to have been "Speed" rather than "Smith;" and
because Betty cited no record or other source for the "Smith" & I have
never seen anything else indicating it to be "Smith."]

Anyway, in her book, on p. 113 of the 8/93 edition, and on p.239 of the
original 1978 edition, Betty Lawrence says, "I had believed James Speed
Poythress was a nephew of James Edward [Poythress] and that he came along
on the same wagon train, but it seems I could be wrong." The 8/93 edition
adds the sentence, "I am convinced they were relatives, but I have not been
able to establish the connection." [So I guess my recollection that she
said he WAS a nephew, was not actually correct. . . So much for my memory
🙁 ]

She then goes on to discuss that Carl Poythress (youngest son of JSP, who
was born in 1884 and died in 1974 according to Betty's book), in a letter
(no date given) to his niece Annie P. Shamburger stated that JSP "fought in
the Mexican War" (which war was from May 1846 to Feb 1848) and that JSP
"traveled thru Alabama on his way home to Virginia, but did not state what
route he traveled. The letter further states that a few years after the
Mexican War was over, James Speed Poythress again left Virginia, this time
to return south to Greensboro, Alabama, and later to Sumterville where he
bought a farm. So I wonder if he could have come on that wagon train with
the James Edward Poythress family. Possibly when James Speed [Poythress]
returned to Virginia after the Mexican War he was in touch with James
Edward [Poythress] and told him about the rich black soil in Sumter County
and James Edward [Poythress] headed directly to Sumterville as if he knew
all about it."

No longer quoting from Betty, here: I [BPN] know that my grandfather (born
in 1878) and his then-living older siblings (who were born in 1869, & in
1872) who we visited in Meridian, MS and in Gulfport, back in the 1950s
when I was a child, mentioned other POYTHRESSes in the Meridian area (i.e.,
these were the descendants of James Speed Poythress) who they knew were
related to them as cousins, but more distant than 1st cousins, because they
had been told that when they were growing up by their elders. If I had
been paying more attention as a child, perhaps I would know better, but I
don't think they knew exactly how they were related. If James Speed P was
indeed a nephew of Algernon's father, James Edward Poythress, then these
POYTHRESS relatives of mine would have been 2nd cousins of the
above-mentioned Carl Poythress; and the father of these POYTHRESS relatives
of mine, Algernon Edward Poythress, would have been a first cousin of
James Speed Poythress.]

Further, I have tried to document service in the Mexican War by JSP, but so
far have not been able to locate any proof of that. I have not yet checked
Greensboro, AL, for any early Poythress records but now realize as I am
going thru this info tonight to answer your questions, that is an avenue I
can pursue.

We do know that both James Edward P and David P lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA
during certain Censuses. And JEP's eldest son, Joshua Lewis Poythress, in
1852 married in Warren Co, NC, (which is just across the stateline from
Mecklenbg Co, VA) -- The same county in which David Poythress married his
2nd wife in 1848.

All of that is not much to go on, I know. Also, re your " >Or am I
barking up the wrong tree, meaning that the best evidence trail linking JEP
to David P. is not through JSP at all but rather through another route
entirely?" < Be assured that I continue to look for other data, and
hope to analyze any county documents that could lend credence to the
relationship, or that can enlighten me as to the correct father for JEP.
I, too, would welcome any information about any other routes from anyone
having any info.

BPN		11/02/1998 10:09:27
Poythress Marriages on the Vital Records of North AmericaCharles NealHelene,

Wow, Poythress folks I've never, ever heard of before! Great info.

BPN

11/02/1998 10:19:51
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11/04/1998 1:07:20
James Edward Poythress and David PoythressCharles Neal11-4-98

My researcher in Alabama made a trip for me yesterday to Eutaw, AL, the
county seat of Greene County, which was the county that Greensboro, AL was
in, back during the 1848-1853 time period. He checked both at the
courthouse and the library, and could find NO reference to any Poythress
in:

Deeds
Wills
Orphans Court Records
Probate Court Records
Cemetery Records
1850 Census

While I am disappointed that we couldn't pick up any fragment there re
James Speed Poythress being there before going to Sumter Co, AL, it does
now make me wonder what made Betty Lawrence think he had been there? . . .

All for now,
BPN		11/04/1998 12:56:24
Will of Wm PoythressBarbara Neal..........hold de 'fone Sapphire!......this one is dynamite.

I have transcribed the will but not appended the notes because there is some
downstream work involved. This William in the will is without question # 211
2 on the Batte chart. He is a nephew of Thomas Epes of High Peake m. Mary
Poythress, daughter of Joshua Poythress m. Mary Short.

He is great nephew of Elizabeth Poythress (daughter of Francis' son John
Poythress). Elizabeth m. 1. John Fitzgerald and 2. Thomas Eppes.

Per Mr. Batte's notes, this William was major beneficiary of his great uncle
Thomas Eppes in Eppes' will of 1779. William was (according to Batte) a Capt.
in the Va. Continental line......the print that we have is labelled "Lt. Wm.
Poythress" but he easily/probably been promoted to Capt. thereafter.

William had the four sons cited but unnamed in his will plus a daughter. Sons
were 1) Joshua m. Janes Mills Angus, 2) Thomas Eppes Poythress m. Beersheeba
Bryant, 3) William (?), 4) Patrick Henry Poythress m. Mary Elizabeth Eppes,
and 5)daughter Mary, of whom Bolling Batte says only ("1793- ).

What Kentucky Archives sent me was a photocopy of the will's "copy".....duely
attested by all the Prince George and later the KY authorities. The "copy" of
the Prince George will no doubt came to KY because William owned land "both in
this State (Virginia) and Kentucky". The fact that we found it with your
prompting is marvelous. The fact that it is a "copy" is remarkable only in
the sense of how few Prince George documents exist.

My guess would be most Prince George County documents were probably either
burned by Grant's vandals or perhaps reside as stolen property in the infamous
El Snotto Huntington Library of Los Angeles alongside the other 49,999
colonial Virginia documents claimed to be "obtained" by this illustrious
institution.

Anyway, I think this will will be a most interesting addition to our webpage
and my guess is the Eppes folks will be interested also, if for no other
reason than that there are several Eppes'es on both the top and bottom of this
chart.

Maynard		11/05/1998 2:38:43
Mecklenburg County ListserverInfo:

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11/05/1998 3:46:34
Re: James Edward Poythress and David PoythressBPN, thanks for your prompt response and thorough (as always!) review of
the evidence. It's disappointing to learn that Mrs. Lawrence left us a
weak suggestion of kinship between James Speed Poythress and James Edward
Poythress with no substantiation offered. I'm now wondering if perhaps
some of the descendants of David Poythress might have some concrete
evidence to share with us. How about it - Barbara Wolfe, Al Tims, Jim
Richardson, Patti Koscheski, Judy Scruggs or Kenny Poythress - any oral
histories, letters, Bible records etc. to evidence a relationship between
James Edward Poythress and either David Poythress or his son, James Speed
Poythress?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: James Edward Poythress and David PoythressLyn,
Barbara's (BPN) reference to the book by Betty Lawrence quoted from a letter
(page 286) written by Carl Poythress to his niece Annie Poythress and dated
April 1, 1967: "My father's people all lived in Virginia, he had a half-
brother named Charlie Poythress and he had a son named James who came to
Meridian....."

Mrs. Lawrence cited the 1850 Mecklenburg Co. VA census which lists David, his
wife Sally , James (who would be James Speed, age 17) ,Mary, George, and
Charles (who is Charles David, age 1) as corroborating this statement.

And on page 305 from another letter written by Carl Poythress: "My father's
people all lived in Virginia; he (referring to James Speed Poythress) had a
half-brother named Charlie Poythress and he had a son named James who came to
Meridian and lived with us a few months, tried to railroad but didn't like it
so returned to Virginia; he is the only one of my father's family that we ever
met."

Charles David had a son named James Sneed Poythress. I have not been able to
authenticate this story from my side of the family but it certainly is an
interesting thread to follow and gives a positive speculation as to their
relationship.

Best, Barbara (BPW)		11/05/1998 5:52:13
Will of Wm PoythressCharles NealMaynard,

SUPER. Thank you so much for transcribing it. NOW I'll bet that you are
getting just as curious as I have long been about that court case over in
the Kentucky statehouse (listing for which I found in the same place as the
listing for this Will). Seems to me the court case was regarding this same
William Poythress' estate. Hopefully it will name ALL the relatives of
William, as descended from each of the 4 sons, or might could give even
further illuminating info (such as other siblings of William's, or
description of "land which William got from . . .") When do you think you
might could get that court case tracked down?

Thanks again so much,
BPN		11/06/1998 2:24:24
KY Poythress LawsuitsCharles Neal11-6-98

Maynard,

In Salt Lake last March, when I located the 1926 reference to that Kentucky
copy of the Will of William Poythress of Prince George Co, VA, I also
located the listing of lawsuits in the 1820s, some of which were
"discontinued" and one of which was "dismissed." At least one, however,
apparently went forward. Even the "discontinued" ones could well have
elaborate claims of what the suit was about, in the "BUNDLEs" of original
papers that were indexed.

These were listed in the "Kentucky Circuit Court General Cross-Index to
Suits, 1805-1910," as filmed by the Kentucky Historical Society in
Frankfurt, JY, in 1968. The film of this cross-index that I consulted at
the Family History Library is LDS Film # 0460537.

Copied below is info from my 3/22/98 messages about the Wm Poythress will
in KY and about more Poythress info in KY. But first, I want to emphasize
that THE BUNDLES OF SUIT DOCUMENTS should still exist in Frankfurt, and
could well have helpful info. Jillson indexed them in 1926 because these,
as some of the oldest documents in KY, could help folks such as us, bless
him. The suits MAY all have been filed by Joshua Poythress & his brothers,
but some of them COULD have been filed by other POYTHRESSes, since all the
index showed for some of them was "Poythress &c" (Poythress etc).

I am excited about the prospect of what we may learn from these.
BPN
> > >

[Thanks to a question from Hazel. . .] I tracked down __Old Kentucky
Entries and Deeds: A Complete Index to All of the Earliest Land Entries,
Military Warrants, Deeds, and Wills of the Commonwealth of Kentucky__ by
Willard Rouse Jillson. It was originally published in 1926 as Filson Club
Publication No. 34. It was republished in 1969 and then in 1987 by GPC.

According to the 1969 Preface & 1926 Foreword written by Jillson, who was
State Geologist of KY, and member of several historical associations and
The Filson Club, it was published in order to provide an index to the huge
number of documents he found IN THE OFFICES OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND
THE CLERK OF THE COURT OF APPEALS IN THE [KY] CAPITOL AT FRANKFURT
including "the first deeds, wills and powers of attorney relative to land
lodged in the custody of the Clerk of the Court of Appeals at Frankfort"
and "the early civil land entries and military land warrants and entries in
the [KY] State Land Office."

Thus, the Prince George Co, VA Will of WIlliam Poythress is in Frankfort,
Kentucky!! It is listed in Jillson's book, on p.546, in a very brief (only
2-page) listing entitled: "Court of Appeals Deeds -- Wills (1769-1850)"
and the listing lists only:

Testator: Poythress, Wm.
Residence: Pr. George
Date: Sep 2, 1794
Book: V [note: presumably this is Volume V of Kentucky's Court of
Appeals volumes]
Page: 416
Notes: Will

While I was in the section of the Library to check on KY stuff to track
down the Jillson reference (see other message today, with subject line "Re:
Wm Poythress"), I also found the following references in FHL film #
0460537, "Kentucky - Circuit Court: General cross index to suits,
1805-1910" filmed at Frankfort, KY

The gist of the below seems to be, that in KY Circuit Court records
themselves (which were NOT on film), there should be at least some
"bundles" of suit documents that could have info about at least a Joshua
Poythress being present in KY around Oct 1824 to May 1827. A look at the
suit numbers could be VERY interesting, depending on what the suits were
about [comments in brackets are mine]:

[Note: "&c" was a way of writing "etc." as in "and cetera"]

Plaintiffs Poythress &c vs. Carson, Y.&c
Date of Judgment: Octo 1824
# of Suit: 2583
# of Bundle: 167
Remarks: "Dismissed"

Plaintiff Poythress, Joshua vs. Porter, E & B.
Date of Judgment: Jan 1826
# of Suit: 2938
# of Bundle: 194
Remarks: "Discontinued"

Porter vs. Poythress [maybe a counter-suit &/or a cross-reference to
below, listing defendant first?]
Suit # 3345
[no entry shown for the other headings]

Plaintiff Poythress, Joshua vs Porter, Wm G
Date of Judgment: May 1827
# of Suit: 3345
# of Bundle: 214
Remarks: "Discon" [apparently short for "discontinued"]

Plaintiff: "same" [this was immediately below the one shown above here]
vs. Wilson, J[?] S[?] &c
Date of Judgment: May 1827
# of Suit: 3346
# of Bundle: 214
Remarks: "Discon"		11/06/1998 7:59:48
Will of Edward Poythress 1781Below is pasted the text of this new (to us) will which I have send to Al in a
format suitable for posting.

Comments:

1) he's a stranger to me and there is nothing in my notes to suggest his
origin. There is no Edward listed on the Batte chart which would indicated it
is likely that
Edward, if indeed he was a descendent of Francis(1), came out of the line of
fourth
son Francis whose line is as yet untraced.

2) wife is not named in behests or as executrix suggesting that he was a
widower.

3) Daughters Elizabeth, Sarah, Mary, and Tabitha have 4 names that certainly
aren't
going to give us any help.

4) The value of the behests are modest yet the bond (by contrast) is set for
executor and witnesses at 100,000 Ls. If this one is true to form whereby
the bond by Va. law was set at the presumed value of the estate, the
implication is that this could have been a very large estate which, under a
primogeniture scenario, could have easily have defaulted to an oldest sibling
unnamed in the will.

5) the writer of the will likely has one of the longest run-on sentences in
the
language. 🙂

>>>>
Will of Edward Poythress 13 Mar 1781

In the name of God Amen I Edward Poythress of the County of Isle of Wight
being weak & low of body but of Perfect & sound mind & disposing memory do
make & ordain this to be my last Will & Testament in manner & form following,
Imprimis I give & devise to my Daughter Elizabeth Poythress & her heirs
forever one bed & furniture standing behind the Chamber door together with six
hundred pounds in cash. Item I give & devise to my Daughter Sarah Poythress
and her heirs forever one half of my lands the bounds whereof are as follow
beginning at a Run which divides the lands of Joseph Cornwell from those on
which I now live from thence to a Gum & from thence along a line of Barked
trees to the head of a slash which divides the lands of Capt. Joseph Hill from
my own & from thence a Straight line bounded by the path to Hill's line
together with one bed & furniture now standing in the other room one loom with
all the weaving Implements & a Tea Kettle Item I give and devise to my
Daughter Mary Poythress & her heirs forever all the other Parts of my lands
whereon I now live with one bed & furniture standing in the Corner of the room
opposite to the one which I have given unto my Daughter Elizabeth Poythress
six plates to be chosen by her self & two Dishes Item I give & devise to my
Daughter Tabitha Poythress & her heirs forever One Horse & Saddle two of my
cattle to be made choice of by her self together with one bed & furniture
which she is to choose out of those not before disposed of one Linen Wheel Six
Plates her second choice & two Dishes one brass Kettle & her choice of my Iron
Potts Item my will is that my Pine Chest after my money & such things as are
now therein are taken out may be given to my daughter Mary & her heirs, Item
my will is that all of the rest of my Household furniture & Personal Estate
not disposed of before may be equally divided between the whole of my Children
and that the whole of my Stock of every kind except what is before Devised may
be sold & the money arising there from be equally divided among all of my
before mentioned Children after raising the sum of six hundred pounds for my
daughter Elizabeth as above directed And my further desire is that my Estate
may not be appraised And I appoint my Daughters Mary Poythress & Sarah
Poythress Executrixes of with [sic] Richard Hardy & James Davis Executors of
this my last Will & testament revoking and Disannulling all others by me
heretofore made In witness whereof I have set my hand & affixed my Seal this
thirteenth day of March, 1781

his
In presence of Edward + Poythress
Samuel Hardy mark
((Seal))
his
Benja + Atkins
mark
William Hardy

At a court held for the Isle of Wight County May 3, 1791 This Will was
presented in court by Mary Poythress Sarah Poythress Richard Hardy & James
Davis he Executor therein named who made Oath thereto according
to law & the same being Proved by the Oaths of Samuel Hardy & Benjamin
Atkins the witnesses thereto & ordered to be recorded & on the motion of said
Executors who together with Richard Hardy James Davis Joseph
Cornwell James Peden & James Wills their securities entered into &
acknowledged their bond in the Penalty of one hundred thousand Pounds with
Condition as the law directs Certificates granted them for obtaining a
Probat [sic] thereof in due form.
Test of
Francis Young DCIWC

Above:
Isle of Wight County, Will Book 9, 1779-1785, pp. 73-74
Library of Virginia Reel 26
Will of Edward Poythress, 3 May 1781		11/07/1998 9:16:42
For the RecordJoyner Cemetery, Franklin County, NC

John W. Poythress, husband of Eva Arlington Joyner, dau. of John Edgar Joyner
b. 1841)
B. Dec. 1, 1887
D. Aug 10,1893

(Only Poythress headstone...evidence of other stones broken or carried away)		11/07/1998 9:16:55
For the RecordCemetery, Damascus Church, Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

Poythress
Lela Mann May 4, 1919-July 25, 1978
Robert Lee July 4, 1918-March 1, 1995
(one stone)

Poythress
Robert Furman April 30, 1892-Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892-March 5, 1985
(one stone)

Aunt Bettie Bowen
Grover C. Poythress
(no dates, single stone)

POYTHRESS
Ola S. Nov. 25, 1880-August 9, 1936
Simeon E. Nov. 17, 1867-March 12, 1952

Poythress
Whitney F.
December 12, 1900-May 21, 1882

C. W. Poythress May 25, 1920-July 20, 1944

Creola Poytress Freeland November 14, 1890-November 12, 1962

John W. Poythress Oct. 29, 1888-Jan 14, 1922

Nancy Josephine Daniel wife of Robert Lee Poythress, May 13, 1861-Sept. 26,
1920
Her Memory is Blessed

Robert Lee Poythress Died Jan. 17, 1914 Age 49 years
An Honest man's thy noblest work of God
Go on dear father, take thy rest, God called thee home, He knew best.

Permelia S. Poythress Dec. 30, 1843-Sept. 10, 1918
Gone but not Forgotten

(Oldest date in this cemetery is 1813)		11/07/1998 9:16:56
William Giles Will 1818We have the following from an FTM Post:
13 May, 1997

Post from Family Tree Maker's genealogy site: Ancestors of Bertha Anne Conner:

(note: estimated dates have unusually wide ranges due to the estimating
format of FTM)

William C. Cleaton II, b. 1709-1756 in Virginia; died bef. 1790. He was the
son of William C. Cleaton I. He married Jane Poole.

Jane Poole, born est. 1716-1758 in Virginia; died est. 1734-1839. She was the
daughter of William Poole and Elizabeth Tapley (prob.)

Children of William Cleaton and Jane Poole are:

1) Thomas Cleaton, born 1750-60 in Virginia; married Elizabeth Ann Barner
April 28, 1788 in Brunswick County, Virginia.

2) John Cleaton, born in Va.; married Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in
Brunswick County, Va.

3) Mary Cleaton

4) Martha Cleaton

5) Jean Cleaton, married Mr. Giles

6) Edith Cleaton, born in Va.; married Meredith Poythress 24 July 1781 in
Mecklenburg County, Va.

7) Lucy Cleaton, married Mr. Matthews

8) Judith Cleaton, married Mr. Painter

Comment by C. Galas, originator of above, is that a Poythress Cleaton lived
two generations before this particular family. Questionable...needs
documentation.

Now we have the will of Edward Giles as pasted below along with the questions
which follow that I am punting to the Mecklenburg group:

Will of Edward Giles
Mecklenburg County, VA
10 Mar 1818

In the name of God Amen, I Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County and State of
Virginia doth make this my last will and testament, - It is my will and desire
that all my just debts and funeral expenses be paid from the Sale of my Crop
of Tobacco Bacon and Corn remaining on hand and after those debts are paid it
is my will and desire that all my remaining property both real and personal be
sold on twelve months credit and from the monies arising from such Sale or
Sales to be distributed as follows -

Item first I give and bequeath to my Grand Daughter Milly Nance
two Hundred dollars to her and her heirs -
Item second, I give and bequeath to my Grandson Edward Poythress
twenty five dollars to him and his heirs -
Item third, I give and bequeath to my Grandson John Poythress one
hundred dollars to him and his heirs -
Item fourth, I give and bequeath to my Grand Daughter Martha Giles
Daughter of my Daughter Betsy P. Giles two hundred dollars to
her and her heirs -
Item fifth, and last after all my just Debts funeral expenses and the above
legacies are first paid it is my will and desire that the remainder of my
estate be equally divided amongst my four Living Children Jean P.
Basey, John Giles, Edward Giles, and William Giles to each of
them and their heirs, given under my hand this 10th day of March,
1818, I appoint Edward Giles, Jr. and John Basey exors to this my
last Will and Testament -
Signed and sealed his
in presense of....... Edward X Giles
((S))
Bushrod Webb mark
John Cook Sen.
his
Henry X Wartman
mark

At a court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818. This
Last Will and Testament of Edward Giles dec'd was presented into Court
and proved by the Oaths of the Witnesses thereto, and Ordered to be recorded,
and on the motion of Edward Giles Jr. one of the executors therein
named who made oath thusly and together with John Cook, Henry Wartman
and Bushrod Webb his securities in turn into and acknowledge their bond in the
penalty of Twenty five thousand dollars conditions as the law.

(no further photocopy although it is expected that only remaining text would
be name and title of clerk of court)

How did Edward Giles get children with the surname of Poythress?? I have this
nagging feeling that one of you is going to tell me it's right under my nose
and it's such and such. For some reason something tells me that Lewis plays
into this picture...didn't Lewis marry a Giles?..but Lewis's sons were Lewis
Y. and Thomas, not Edward and John, weren't they? Anyway, please see if you
can help me unravel this one and I can then write up the comments to follow
the text of this will.....unless you prefer to write them and I certainly have
no objection to that.

Maynard		11/07/1998 9:17:06
Re: William Giles Will 1818Notice those dates for Jane Poole on the introductory part of the e-mail. The
range between earliest birth and latest death would give us a 123 year old
lady.

Patti suggested that should come with some explanation and she is perfectly
right.
The problem is that Family Tree has some kind of "formula" or "procedure" for
assigning potential birth and death dates and very, very often they come up
looking pretty goofy......this case being a good example.

The warning in this instance is "generic" because it will come up time and
time again in FTM and other of the on-line genealogy data bases. I purposely
don't delete those dates because they can give you the outside "ranges" for an
individual but you
have to think before you start putting them down "using both ends" because
they will not often be rational.

Thanks for the heads up, Patti.

Maynard		11/07/1998 10:52:28
Giles Grandchildren QuestionComment to share with the list:

Subj: Re: William Giles Will 1818
Date: 11/7/98 6:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Congs
To: VKRatliff

The Poythress children listed in the will were the writer's GRAND children.
He could have Poythress grandchildren by a dau's m. to a Poythress.
Later in his will he names four LIVING children (No dau w/Poythress name), but
this could well indicate that he had other children no longer living.
Perhaps a deceased dau who m. a Poythress and was mother to his Poythress
grandchildren?
Just a thought...
Jane

Okay all you deep thinkers.....this one overwhelms me. In this very logical
scenario we now "need" a Poythress guy having married a Giles girl and having
at least two children named Edward and John.....don't we?

And Lyn......does Lewis fit in here anywhere?

Somebody unmystify me would you please?

Maynard		11/08/1998 6:23:54
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V98 #187William A BridgforthMaynard,

With Edward's Will "arisin'," I again am reminded of the old, yet
unstarted (to my knowledge) project of putting together Batte's Chart
part B. I can contribute only "my" small part of Chart B. Any takers
for the job of editor??

Bill Bridgforth
wab705@juno.com

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Re: Giles Grandchildren QuestionSarah PoythressMaynard,
I have children of Lewis & Patsey listed as John & Edward.
Sons of Lewis & Rebecca are David E., James Edward, Thomas M.
and Lewis Y.
Hope this helps.
Sarah

11/09/1998 8:44:40
Part "B"Yep, and you won't believe it Bill but I have your original e-mail right here
in my "stack" and I get the guilties every time I look at it. And Craig Scott
who was with us this week en route to a genealogy show says by golly it's time
we got on with it.

Easily said but Craig is in the process of getting bigger in the book biz so
we can't realistically expect him to camp on the thing.

I'll get to a start soon as I can......and would appreciate anyone else
jumping on this one first!

Maynard

11/09/1998 10:11:48
Re: Giles WillRuth...delighted it helped you.

Ah.....who were parents of John & Edward Poythress, grandsons of Edward Giles?
....the $64 question. Okay we need a guy named Poythress marrying a daughter
of Edward Giles for the OBVIOUS (maybe eventually it won't be obvious but
that's usually the best place to look first).

It can't be Meredith Poythress. He had different children.

Bingo, it's gotta be Lewis Poythress. He married Patsey (Martha) Giles 26 Dec
1792. Right? Nope. Lewis' sons were named Lewis Y. Poythress and Thomas M.
Poythress. And, as late as an 18 Oct 1845 deed Lewis deeds land in a $1 "gift"
transaction to his "YOUNGEST" sons Lewis Y. and Thomas M. Poythress. If
those two are his "youngest" sons, who are his "older" son(s) ? If Lewis had
any "older" sons they would almost have to have been born before his marriage
to Patsey in 1792? And Lewis would have had to be previously married to one
of Patsey's sisters. Gee, I just have a hard time being comfortable with that
one.

Just to stir the pot a little more there is James Edward Poythress who married
Catherine Speed Preston (6 Feb 1828) and he leaves Mecklenburg in 1852 with
the same wife Catherine and 8 children for Sumter County, Alabama. I don't
think anyone has suggested that James Edward P. could be one of Edward Giles'
grandsons. We'd need a Poythress father and a Giles mother (other than Lewis
& Patsey) which we don't have....or don't have with a son named Edward unless
it's this one. I'll only suggest the dates look right.

I hate to leave you with a riddle but I just don't know where to go with this
one. Couple of suggestions: go to that Poythress page and work all the
headings. Look especially at Lyn Poythress Baird's stuff as he is ggggrandson
of Lewis. Second suggestion is maybe wait for some comments from the
Poythress board since I'm ringing the bell via copying this to them.

Good luck,

Maynard		11/09/1998 10:52:30
Grandsons of Edward GilesRuth......p. s. I suppose Lewis Poythress and Patsey Giles could have had
sons
John and Edward prior to having sons Lewis Y. and Thomas M. but to my
knowledge those sons haven't shown up anywhere. James Edward P. (m. Catherine
Preston) would sure make a nice fit but with (as far as I know) no evidence.

Lyn....Help.

Maynard

11/09/1998 11:03:35
For the Record Franklin Co, NC cemeteryCharles NealMaynard,

Re ">Joyner Cemetery, Franklin County, NC
John W. Poythress, husband of Eva Arlington Joyner, dau. of John Edgar
Joyner b. 1841)
B. Dec. 1, 1887
D. Aug 10,1893
(Only Poythress headstone...evidence of other stones broken or carried
away) <

I trust the birthdate of this not-quite-6-years-old "husband" is a typo or
a misreading of the tombstone; seems more likely to be 1837 if his wife was
born 1841. Or did the note above mean that the bride's FATHER, John Edgar
Joyner, was born in 1841? Or perhaps was this headstone for a CHILD of
John W. Poythress & Eva Arlington Joyner?

🙂
BPN		11/09/1998 11:50:50
Will of William GilesBarbara, totally aside from all the questions I have raised re the
implications of this one......is that Ruth Kauffman, a Giles descendent, wants
very much to have the
citation on this one to hang up on her Tennessee page.

I'm asking you just because I have a hunch you might have gotten the original
and sent a copy to me. I remember very distinctly my visit to the Mecklenburg
Court House in Boydton......or at least I remember that all I took down was
either dictated or transcribed; i. e., I didn't make any photocopies and a
photocopy is what I have.

The copy that I do have and transcribed (from the photocopy) is not marked
with "book #" although it does have a page # (415) in top left.

I guess the reason for my hunch is that you have sent me more photocopies of
original documents than almost anyone I can remember so I'm asking you.....got
the
book # for Ruth ???

(P. S. I have posted this identical question on the Mecklenburg page and not
gotten any answer).

Thanks,

Maynard

(Ruth: Barbara in this instance is Barbara Poythress Wolfe, not Barbara
Poythress Neal)		11/10/1998 3:02:03
Re: Part "B"Craig R. ScottLets do this one generation at a time and see how it plays out. The goal is
to have a documented end product, so just jump in with the proofs. Boddie
in "Historical Southern Families, Volume IV" seems the begining source for
this family.

Part "B"

Francis Poythress
b. ca. 1630
d. ca. 1688

m. Rebecca Coggin/Cogan dau. of John Cogan/Coggin and Joyce (______) Boyce Tye

As a widow, she was granted 1,000 acres of escheated land 29 April 1692; by
1723 half of the land in possesion of Littlebury Eppes; she gave 200 ac. to
daughter Ann, wife of Burrell Green; gave 300 ac. to daughter Rebecca.

Children:

Francis
Anne m. Burrell Green
Rebecca
Thomas
John
Tabitha		11/10/1998 9:39:35
Will of William GilesCharles NealMaynard,

Even though this is BPN, not BPW as you directed the message :-)), I happen
to have the citation in front of me this evening.

The Edward Giles will, recorded 16 March 1818 is Mecklenburg Co, VA Will
Book 8, p. 415-416. I only have the photocopy, too, thanks to a trip by
BPW to the Family History Library. I do not have their film number, but I
do know that this will appears on the Library of Virginia's film of
Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Bk 8 (1813-1819), which is on film Reel #25.

Coincidentally, the very short will of Jack Potress which was recorded 17
August 1818, in which he mentions leaving what he got from his Grandfather
Giles, "to my Farther [sic] his heirs" (no names mentioned) is in the same
Will Book, p.465. His will is witnessed by Edward Giles (obviously would
have to be Jr.), James L? Nance, and Milly Nance. It was proved by oath of
James Nance. As you may recall, Maynard, we had spent considerable effort
trying to decipher the tiny scrunched-in paragraph following the "proved
by" sentence. In the tiny writing appears the name of Lewis Potress. I
think this will of Jack with its subsequent notations, is one of the wills
posted on the Poythress website.

BPN		11/10/1998 11:25:40
Edward Giles�grandsonsRuth O. KauffmanMayard,
Try this on for size. Edward and John Poythress were ths sons of
Lewis Poythress and Patsy Giles. The boys were named for her father and
her brother John. Patsy died before the death of her father as stated
in the will. Lewis remarried and Lewis and Thomas were the children of
his second wife. The deed of Lewis Sr. calls Lewis and Thomas his
youngest sons. Therefore Lewis Jr. and Thomas were not the grandsons of
Edward Giles and for that reason were not mentioned in Edward´s will.
Now all we have to do is look for the second marriage of Lewis
Poythress Sr. It could work.

Can you tell me the number to the Mecklenburg Co. Will Book where the
will was found and in what city archives? The Williamson County Tn. Web
Page would like to have it on-line there as a lot of Giles reseachers
end up there.

Thanks
Ruth
kauffman@acnet.net

11/10/1998 11:30:53
William Giles Will 1818Charles NealMaynard,

Sarah correctly gave you the male children & the wives of Lewis Poythress,
as Lyn & I have them speculated to date. For list including the daughters,
see Lyn's original email message re this subject, in the Poythress-List
archives. That message was dated 6/29/97 and titled "Re: Children of Lewis
Poythress." The archives can be accessed at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
[Note: after "listsearch" that is a lowercase "PL" as in "Place;" the
address does NOT end with the numeral "one"]

BPN		11/10/1998 11:43:44
Rebecca Poythress-Richard Pace 111I am a descendant of Richard Pace 111, and his wife, believed to be Rebecca
Paythress. Some of the Pace researchers have cast doubt on her having been the
wife of Richard. Do any of you have evidence that will prove this connection
once and for all? I would appreciate any help you might be able to give.

Carolyn W. Parkman		11/11/1998 2:45:13
Prince George ParishesNice little summary to find just lying on the Va-Roots web:

Prince George County territory was covered by the following parishes
[dates of parishes that continued to exist after 1785 are left open]:
Bath (1742-1752), Bristol (1702-), Martin's Brandon (1702-), Westover
(1702-1720), and Weyanoke (1702-1720). You may be able to find
additional information on existing church records by referring to the
publication "A Guide to Church Records in the Archives Branch, Virginia
State Library," compiiled by Jewell T. Clark and Elizabeth Terry Long,
Richmond, VA, 1981. Annette Elam Wetzel

Maynard		11/11/1998 4:26:45
British PoundFor Microsoft Word ( I have 7.0 but I expect most will work)......to make this
symbol:

1) "NumLock" numeric keyboard
2) Hold down ALT while pressing 0163 on numeric keypad.

Sure makes it look better when transcribing all those wills and deeds.

Maynard		11/11/1998 8:09:26
British PoundCharles NealTHANKS!!

BPN

11/12/1998 5:44:57
Will of GilesCharles Neal11-12-98

Ruth (and anyone else I may have gotten confused),

I think I erroneously referred to the will of Edward Giles as being that of
Wm Giles. As to whether his name was both Wm & Edward, I have not seen
anything to indicate so. I do not have a clue why I would have gotten
confused on a basic thing like his first name, especially when I was
looking at a photocopy of the will (unless perhaps the original message
caption that I hit "Reply" to respond to, had perhaps mixed up the names?).
Sorry if I was the one who misled you.

Re: "I have a little info on the marriage of Isham Nance (son of William
Nance Jr and Elizabeth Epes) and Frances Malone. Their daughter Frances
Nance married the son of Henry Edward Giles, Edward.They moved to
Williamson Co. TN. My line. Any one interested?"

Even though there is no relationship I know of to me, I have seen Isham
Nance's name often enough among the record groups that I've searched for
Poythress, to be interested in knowing more about his marriage, and that of
his daughter, and re where in TN they went (since one of my Preston family
moved to TN). Thanks for the opportunity to learn more.

Barbara Poythress Neal		11/12/1998 6:38:31
Re: "Batte's Chart Part B" - A misleading name for a good cause?Charles Neal11-12-98

Lyn,

Very well put. Thanks again so much for all your earlier work on compiling
all the work that Mr. Batte had done for his "Part B" from his cardfile.

BPN		11/12/1998 6:38:36
Progenitor Lewis Poythress - DRAFTCharles NealLyn,

Fantastic job of putting together all this info with all the sources. I
don't have time right now in trying to get ready to depart on a 2-wk trip
this Saturday morning, to check to see for sure if there is any other info
I have, but I have a lingering feeling that we may have some additional
info about Lewis (1) among the land transactions BPW had put together
several years ago, and maybe (2) among the Mecklenburg tax lists. Do
promise to check later.

Again -- fantastic job. Thank you so much for putting this together.
BPN		11/12/1998 6:38:43
Isham Nance and Frances MaloneThomas Scott Kauffman OvertonIsham Mamce. son of William Nance, Jr and Ann Epes (Epps) daughter of Isham Epes (Epps)
married 1730-1735.(1) Their children were:

John Nance. Born ca 1769 (1) (2)

William Nance Born ca 1771 (1)

Isham Nance Jr. ca 1779 (1) (3)

Thomas Nance ca 1784 (1)

Nancy Nance ca 1790 (1)

Frances M. Nance (3) (4) Born 8 April 1792 Mecklenburg Co. Va Died 12 Nov. 1855 Williamson Co. Tn. Buried in N.P. Giles Cemetery, Choctaw,Wmson.Co. Tn Married Edward Giles, Jr, son of Henry Edward Giles and Jean Cleaton,.Born 24 Feb. 1779 Va. Died 1 Feb.1858, Flat Creek, Williamson Co. TN (3) There children were

:Isham L. Giles .born abt 1826 Married 7 July 1761 Wmson Co. TN (second) Susan E. Wood.
8 Nov. 1856( first) Mary Jane Smithson(4)

Mortimer W. Giles,B.19 Dec.1829 Wmson Co. TN Died in prison camp in Ohio, buried in Confederate Cem. Married Sarah Ann F.B. Lofton 3 Oct. 1850 in Wmson Co. TN.(4) (5)

William E Giles married Sarah Ann Young 16 Dec. 1840 in Wmson Co. TN (4)

Martha Ann Giles b. 9 Jun 1821 Va.died 20 Sept.1886 Married William N Smith 8 Jun 1842 in
Wmson Co. TN (4)

Thomas Perry Giles b. 13 March 1835, Wmson Co. TN. died 9 May 1905 buried in N.P. Gilles
Cem. Choctaw Wmson Co. TN married Sarah Jane Pate 5 Feb. Wmson. Co. TN (This is my line
I have more if any one is interested.) (4) (6)

Frances Mary Jane Giles, born 15 Apr. 1822 in Va. Died 21 Aug. 1901 in Wmson Co. TN ;arried
her cousin Nicholas Perry Giles 21 Dec. 1848, in Wmson Co. TN Buried in Family Cem.
Choctaw Wmson Co. TN (4)

Elizabeth Giles, born abt 1828 in VA (4)

J. Giles born abt 1827 (4)

____________________________________________________________________________________________
NOTES FOR ISHAM NANCE Isham Nance received about 200 acrs of land in his father´s will in Mecklenbur Co. Va (2) Census 1782 Mecklenburg Co Va. Isham Nance head of household, 3 to 5 houses away from Daniel Malone . Mecklenburg Co.Va Census 1787 Isham Nance hear of household.

NOTES FOR FRANCES MALONE Will of Thomas Malone dated 1797 Mecklenburg Co. Va. mentions his daughtr Fanny Nance.

NOTES FOR EDWARD GILES JR. Will dated 24th Jan 1858. Will lists children (7).

NOTES FOR FRANCES NANCE. Nalone and Allied Families states; Frances M. Nance married Edward Giles son of Henry Edward Giles.(3)

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
SOURCES
1. ANCESTRY.COM jgarner@na.fcic.usda.gov. Gedcom file G675
2. N.L "Pete" Nance, Nance Register 1966
3 R.A.Malone, Malone & Allied Families 2nd.and Revised Ed. Thomasville, Ga. 1966
4 Betty Cason, 6948 Comstock Rd. Spring Hill, TN Family papers.
5 Pat Giles, patgiles2@aol.com
6 Overton Family Bible, Virginia E. Overton Porter
7 Book of Williamson Co. Wills Franklin, Wmson Co.
____________________________________________________________________________________________

Hope this helps some one.

Ruth
kauffman@acnet.net

-		11/12/1998 6:43:03
Progenitor Lewis Poythress - DRAFTWell, Maynard's recent calls for help regarding the Edward Giles will
caught me napping! Sorry, Maynard. It caused me to remember that we
have not yet done a "progenitor" message about Lewis Poythress along the
lines of the 1/6/98 message from BPN about her ancestor James Edward
Poythress and the 1/9/98 message from BPW concerning her ancestor David
Poythress. Both as penance for my napping and as a preventive measure
against future "group memory lapses", I offer this first draft for your
review and correction:

Progenitor LEWIS POYTHRESS and nine relations, with supporting evidence
-Born: ca. 1760 - 1770, Va. [1]
-Died: after 14 Sep 1845 [2] - before 12 Jul 1848 [3]

-Lewis Poythress married FIRST Elizabeth (Patsey?) Giles (born ?, died
before 9 Apr 1802) bond 26 Dec 1792, Mecklenburg Co., Va., surety
Meredith Poythress, minister John Loyd, married 27 Dec 1792 [4]; children
of this union:

1) John (Jack) Poythress [5]
---Born: ca. 1794 - 1802 [6]
---Died: after 10 Mar 1818 [7] - before 17 Aug 1818 Mecklenburg Co.,
Va.[8]

2) Edward Poythress [9]
---Born: ca. 1798, Va. [10]
---Married: Mahaley Nance bond 10 Dec 1828, Mecklenburg Co., Va., surety
William Drumright, minister James Smith [11]
---Died: after 1860 [12]

-Lewis Poythress married SECOND Rebecca B. Taylor (born ca. 1770-1775 Va.
[13], died after 14 Sep 1845 [2] and before Jul 1846 [24]) bond 9 Apr
1802, Mecklenburg Co., Va., surety Thomas Watson, minister James Meacham
[14]; children of this union:

3) Rebecca L. Poythress [15]
---Born: ca. 1808, Va. [16]
---Married: Benjamin Stanley bond 21 (22?) Jan 1832, Mecklenburg Co.,
Va., consent of parents Lewis and Rebecca Poythress, witness David
Poythress [15]
---Died: after 1860 [17]

4) Lewis Y. Poythress [2]
---Born: ca. 1820, Va. [18] [19]
---Married: Mary C. Ferguson bond 20 Jul 1846, Mecklenburg Co., Va.,
surety William O. Dortch [20]
---Private, Co. A, Greensville Co. Home Guard [19]
---Died: after 11 Sep 1864 [19]

5) Thomas M. Poythress [2] [21]
---Born: ca. 1823, Mecklenburg Co., Va.[22]
---Married: Lucy J. Thomas [21] probably before 1846
---Private, Co. D, 2nd Va. Artillery Regt., 22 Bttn. [23]
---Died: Jul 1891, Mecklenburg Co., Va. [21]

-Lewis Poythress married THIRD Martha E. Walker (born ?, died ?) bond Jul
1846, Mecklenburg Co., Va., minister James McAden [24]

-Lewis Poythress was brother of George Poythress of Georgia and Florida
[25]

Other candidate relationships of Lewis Poythress under research:
1) brother? of Meredith Poythress, Sr. of Virginia and Georgia and son?
of Thomas Poythress
2) father? of David Poythress (born 1800-1806 Va., married first Mary
Speed Dortch 1827 Mecklenburg Co., Va., married second Sally Dortch 1848
Warren Co., N.C., died 1876 Warren Co., N.C.)
3) father? of James Edward Poythress (born 1803 Va., married Catherine
Preston 1828 Brunswick Co., Va., died 1863 Sumter Co., Al.)
4) father? of Sarah G. Poythress (born 1815-1820, married William A.
Dortch 1837 Warren Co., N.C., died after 1850)

====================
Sources:
[1] AGE per 1820 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P647, L14 (Simmons
transcription); 1830 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P15, L5 (Simmons
transcription); 1840 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P45/P407, L19 (Simmons
transcription); LOCATION per 1880 census of son Thomas M. Poythress; 1880
Census Mecklenburg, Va., R1378, ED149, P41, L49
[2] bill of sale from Lewis Poythress to sons Lewis Y. and Thomas M.
Poythress; Mecklenburg, Va., Deed Book 31, P605
[3] deed of trust from Lewis Y. Poythress to Williamson M. Pearson;
Mecklenburg, Va., Deed Book 32, P537 ff.
[4] DAR Marriages, vol. 1, P100; the name "Patsey" cited in Mecklenburg
Marriage Bonds and Consent Papers, 1770-1810, "P" R58, P376
[5] heir of his grandfather Edward Giles (see [7] following) and devisor
to his father, presumed to be Lewis Poythress mentioned in
partially-legible probate notes (see [8] following)
[6] presumed born sometime during marriage of Lewis Poythress and
Elizabeth Giles
[7] heir of grandfather Edward Giles; Mecklenburg, Va., Will Book 8, P415
ff.
[8] will of Jack Poythress; Mecklenburg, Va., Will Book 8, P465
[9] heir of grandfather Edward Giles (see source 6), along with presumed
brother John (Jack) Poythress (additional work needed to assure that
Edward Poythress the 1818 heir is the same as Edward Poythress the 1850
head of household, but this is circumstantially supported by the ages of
male children in the Lewis Poythress households of the 1820 and 1830
census coupled with the age of the 1850 Edward Poythress and the absence
of other candidates)
[10] 1850 Census Mecklenburg, Va., household 241 (Simmons transcription);
1860 Census Granville, N.C., P393, L6
[11] DAR Marriages, vol. 2, P137
[12] 1860 Census Granville, N.C., P393, L6
[13] AGE per 1820 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P647, L14 (Simmons
transcription); 1830 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P15, L5 (Simmons
transcription); 1840 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P45/P407, L19 (Simmons
transcription); LOCATION per 1880 census of son Thomas M. Poythress; 1880
Census Mecklenburg, Va., R1378, ED149, P41, L49
[14] DAR Mecklenburg Marriages, vol. 1, P100
[15] Mecklenburg Marriage Bonds and Consent Papers, 1831-1835, R68,
P265-269
[16] 1860 Census Brunswick, Va., P616, L1
[17] 1860 Census Brunswick, Va., P616, L1
[18] 1860 Census Greensville, Va., P600, L38
[19] Confederate service record
[20] DAR Mecklenburg Marriages, vol. 2, P137
[21] parents and spouse cited in death record; 1891 Va. Register of
Deaths, Mecklenburg L73
[22] 1850 Census Mecklenburg, Va., P62, household 218; 1860 Census
Mecklenburg, Va., P255, L4; 1870 Census Mecklenburg, Va., R1663, P453,
L29; 1880 Census Mecklenburg, Va., R1378, ED149, P41, L49
[23] Confederate service record
[24] DAR Mecklenburg Marriages, vol. 2, P137
[25] will of George Poythress, Jackson Co., FL Book E, p. 286, 287, 19
July 1832

I look forward to receiving your responses and getting a correct version
posted soon. Thanks for your attention.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Will of William GilesThomas Scott Kauffman OvertonI have been reading letters on the RootsWeb Mailing Search for Poythress
and have found several letters with the subject of WILL OF WILLIAM
GILES. When I open the message I find the will of Edward Giles. Is
there a will of William Giles? I have been told that the father of
(Henry) Edward Giles was a William Giles married to a Mary.....Or am I
mistaken about the name Henry? Was it William Edward?

I have a little info on the marriage of Isham Nance (son of William
Nance Jr and Elizabeth Epes) and Frances Malone. Their daughter Frances
Nance married the son of Henry Edward Giles, Edward.They moved to
Williamson Co. TN. My line. Any one interested?

Ruth
kauffman@acnet.net

11/12/1998 9:29:43
Re: "Batte's Chart Part B" - A misleading name for a good cause?Whenever I see comments about Batte's Chart A or the "missing" Chart B, I
get a little twinge of concern that researchers may forget that we
already have compiled ALL of Chart "B" as Mr. Batte would have
constructed it from his card database. I am not familiar enough with Mr.
Batte's legacy to know whether he left behind Poythress research that did
not make its way into his card file. However, EVERYTHING about
Poythresses that is in his card file (as published by LVA online) is
compiled and published on our web site (sadly under the persistently
INCORRECT title "Chart A"). This includes ALL of Batte's graphical chart
(Chart A) as well as 14 members of the Major Francis Poythress line (line
4 or line D according to Mr. Batte, which would have been his Chart B)
and all (15) other Poythresses from his card file not found on Batte's
graphical chart. To summarize:

1) If the proposal is to COMPILE or RECONSTRUCT Mr. Batte's card file, it
should be noted that this has already been done and is available for
correction and comment on our web site.

2) If the proposal is to COMPLEMENT, EXTEND or CORRECT Mr. Batte's
research, I agree this is a good cause, but would ask that in the future
we avoid associating this activity with "Chart B", a misleading name for
a good cause. After all, Batte left us several lines to pursue,
certainly not limited to line "4" or "D".

The web site location for the Batte compilation is
and you may find further
information in a message of 14 Nov 1997 entitled "Mr. Batte's Decoder"
which can be found in the rootsweb interactive search at
.

Your thoughts and comments are welcomed.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:22:00 -0500 wab705@juno.com (William A Bridgforth)
writes:
>Maynard,
>
>With Edward's Will "arisin'," I again am reminded of the old, yet
>unstarted (to my knowledge) project of putting together Batte's Chart
>part B. I can contribute only "my" small part of Chart B. Any takers
>for the job of editor??
>
>Bill Bridgforth
>wab705@juno.com
>
>

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Re: Will of Wm PoythressBPN and Maynard, belated congratulations on a great find. Fabulous
teamwork!

Best regards,
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Re: 1967 Carl Poythress LetterBPW, thanks so much for this additional information about the Carl
Poythress letter. As I read it, Carl, the son of James Speed Poythress,
is recalling a brother and a nephew of his father. These apparent
references to Charles David Poythress and his son, James Sneed Poythress,
strike me as great additional evidence to support David Poythress as
father of James Speed Poythress. However, so far as I can see, this
citation does not shed light on the supposed relationship between James
Speed Poythress and James Edward Poythress. If I am missing anything,
your help in interpretation will be appreciated as always.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:52:13 EST Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Lyn,
>Barbara's (BPN) reference to the book by Betty Lawrence quoted from a
>letter
>(page 286) written by Carl Poythress to his niece Annie Poythress and
>dated
>April 1, 1967: "My father's people all lived in Virginia, he had a
>half-
>brother named Charlie Poythress and he had a son named James who came
>to
>Meridian....."
>
>Mrs. Lawrence cited the 1850 Mecklenburg Co. VA census which lists
>David, his
>wife Sally , James (who would be James Speed, age 17) ,Mary, George,
>and
>Charles (who is Charles David, age 1) as corroborating this statement.
>
>And on page 305 from another letter written by Carl Poythress: "My
>father's
>people all lived in Virginia; he (referring to James Speed Poythress)
>had a
>half-brother named Charlie Poythress and he had a son named James who
>came to
>Meridian and lived with us a few months, tried to railroad but didn't
>like it
>so returned to Virginia; he is the only one of my father's family that
>we ever
>met."
>
>Charles David had a son named James Sneed Poythress. I have not been
>able to
>authenticate this story from my side of the family but it certainly is
>an
>interesting thread to follow and gives a positive speculation as to
>their
>relationship.
>
>Best, Barbara (BPW)
>
>

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Re: For the RecordMaynard, thanks for these cemetery citations. It reminds me that there
are losts of Poythress lines to be connected! Would you like to share
your source for these?

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2 1/2 Cheers for Craig Scott!I recently posted a transcription of the will of Edmund Poythress of Isle of
Wight County. That was the first one returned to me by the Library of
Virginia of 7 ordered from their new listing. The other six orders were also
returned to me pointing out that the non-refundable 20 bucks advance payment
applied to EACH order.

When Craig visited recently he grabbed up the remaining six and since he
visits the library with some frequency, he said he'd photocopy them hissef.
What a guy. Send a single malt over to the guy at the table next to the door
please waitress.

Craig, if you want to just send me the photocopies I'll do the grunt work of
transcribing and thanks on behalf of the whole list.

Maynard

Maynard		11/22/1998 2:33:02
unknown POYTHRESSDorisHi,
Trying to locate info on Nathaniel Harper POYTHRESS who was married to
Rachel FLAKE in Scriven, Screven, GA. I think that they must have come from
under a cabbage plant. Surely there must have been a connection to some of
the other POYTHRESS' around. The census did have his father as being from
NC. Come on guys, please give me a clue.
Doris Odom

11/24/1998 1:19:46
Re: unknown POYTHRESSIn a message dated 11/24/98 2:16:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
grannie_d@email.msn.com writes:

> Hi,
> Trying to locate info on Nathaniel Harper POYTHRESS who was married to
> Rachel FLAKE in Scriven, Screven, GA. I think that they must have come from
> under a cabbage plant. Surely there must have been a connection to some of
> the other POYTHRESS' around. The census did have his father as being from
> NC. Come on guys, please give me a clue.
> Doris Odom

Doris, I hope Bud Poythress picks up on your question since I'm pretty sure
that's his branch....and I draw a blank on Nathaniel Harper Poythress.

If Bud can't help you I'd suggest to try the Screven Rootsweb line....just
send your message and my guess is it will be picked up by Bob Peavy
(John.R.Peavy@SAS02.usace.army.mil) who probably has more Screven-Effingham-
Bulloch records than anyone else around. He is a sweetheart of a guy who does
great work on the Screven board. If he doesn't pick it up off the board ask
him direct.

Hope this helps.

John M. Poythress

I		11/24/1998 10:02:58
Thanksgivingp KoscheskiHere is wishing all who peer here a very blessed Thanksgiving. For we
have so much to be thankful! Births and weddings that brought good
family, good friends,loving children and parents. This tree has many
wonderful branches. Patti and Ted

11/24/1998 12:58:11
Genealogy, etc. I am e-mailing everyone on my lists to let you know that, after a many
months absense, I am back on line. If you sent me e-mail and I didn't respond,
I apologize. I'm sure that much mail was deleted because it got too old. (I
was still subscribed to AOL, but compooter was broke.)

I am in the process of putting new genealogy web pages on line. Most is up
and working fairly well, but there is still debugging to do. If you visit my
sites and have a problem, please let me know so I can fix it.

The URL of my Main Genealogy Page is now:

http://members.aol.com/kaykman/gene/index.html

Happy Holidays Bob Manning

11/26/1998 3:31:05
QueryBPN/BPW.....figured you'd want to jump on this one:

BASKETT, POYTHRESS, TWISDALE posted by Terrill J. Richardson on Thursday,
December
18, 1997

I am researching these 1800's families of Warren Co., NC. (1) James H.
TWISDALE, (2)
David POYTHRESS and (3) Plesant BASKETT. Let me know if you have an
interest

The guy's address is PMCO@prodigy.net

Maynard		11/30/1998 11:03:14
Cecil Adam PoythressTo All,

A very dear uncle of mine has died. Cecil Adam Poythress was the youngest son
of John A. and Effie Poythress, and descendant of Charles David Poythress of
Henderson, NC and David Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA. He was born in Durham,
NC June 12, 1912.

He had an adventurous life, witnessed the fury of the great hurricane of the
1920's in Florida, served in WWII in the Aleutian-Asia theater, receiving the
bronze medal, then after settling in Alaska, he survived the great earthquake
of 1964 there. He was in his store on the side of the main street when it
dropped 15 feet and he scrambled out. He was a great storyteller and as you
can imagine, he lived a great story too.

He is fondly remembered.

Barbara (BPW)		12/01/1998 1:12:13
Cecil Adam PoythressCharles NealDear Barbara & Bill,

I'm still drowning in trip-recovery stuff right now, so please excuse my
brevity, but I wanted to let you know you two certainly have our
condolences on Uncle C's death. He was such an interesting fellow, and
Charles & I are so glad we were able to meet him when we first met you guys
in person, years ago, while we lived in the DC area.

Best -
Barbara & Charles

12/01/1998 10:11:07
WelcomeMartha.....welcome to "cyberspace". Alice sent me an e-mail today saying that
you were now "wired". I know you will have a lot of fun.

If I get to telling you more than you need to know, don't hesitate to say so.
But here are a few essential "starters" I think might be helpful:

1) to go to the Poythress webpage the address is:
http://www1.minn.net/atims/
(remember that addresses have to be typed precisely or the connection will
just not get made....that's often maddening but it's just the way the net
works).

2) The address for the Poythress "listserver" is: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
When you send an e-mail to this address it will go to each and every one of
the dozen or so "subscribers". Typically, we don't often send messages to
just one person (unless it's just something of a personal nature that the
others wouldn't be interested in). But, for example, if I were going to send
you a genealogy related message I'd address the e-mail to the "group" and just
start it off...."Martha....". That way the group knows I'm asking a question
or talking "directed" to you but if one of them has the answer or another
question or observation, they will just hop right in themselves.

3) to put your name on the mailing list you just send a message to POYTHRESS-
L-REQUEST@rootsweb ..........the message should be just one word: subscribe
you don't even need to sign it. And since AOL won't let you send a message
without a "subject" then put "subscribe" (without the quotes) there too.

4) An excellent "site" to begin just playing around to see what you can find
is called
Cyndi's List. Cindy is a lady who just took it upon herself a few years ago
to provide directories and links to every genealogy site in the world. You
can go and just poke about for hours on end just clicking on the subjects that
interest you. Georgia is
http://www.cyndislist.com/ga.htm#/ .............Virginia is just put "va"
where the "ga" is, etc.

5) I am pasting below a brief note on each of the list members. This was done
in mid 1997 so some have come and some have gone but I think most of them will
still be around. This will let you know who's talking to you.

Martha.....don't hestitate to ask any of us if you have a problem.....I'm not
a good one to ask technical questions of so if you just want to put them to
the list I'm sure
one or more of our technologically astute folks will give you some kind of
answer.

Again, welcome. I know you'll have a lot of fun.

Maynard

Subj: POYTHRESS LIST BIO STATEMENTS -- FIRST DRAFT LIST
Date: 97-04-17 05:00:40 EDT
From: timsx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Albert R. Tims)
Sender: Maiser@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu
Reply-to: POYTHRESS@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu
To: POYTHRESS@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu (Poythress Family discussion list)

Poythress List,

Below is the FIRST DRAFT of the bio list. My first order of business is
for me to apologize to anyone who sent me something that doesn't appear.
Please accept my apology and resend your bio.

This list is a DRAFT for your review and possible revision. Some of you
may want to
make changes, additions, deletions. Feel free to do so and send to me.

It looks like we have bio's from roughly 1/2 the list subscribers. I'd
be thrilled to get additional submissions.

This bio list will go to new subscribers along with a personal welcome
note. We'll periodically post it to the entire list as things change.
I will not post this to other lists, sell to telemarketers or otherwise
published this information. Fair enough.

Thanks,

Al Tims
______________________________________________________________________________
_____
POYTHRESS GENEALOGY LIST SUBSCRIBERS: BIOGRAPHICAL STATEMENTS

BELL, LUCY KENNARD (SLBELL1@aol.com)
b. St. Louis, MO, now living in Lake Forest, IL Attorney (by education);
Wife, Mother and Ancestor-seeker (by choice) I'm a descendant of Captain
Francis Poythress through his daughter, Jane, who
married Thomas Rolfe. Looking for "certainty" of name of wife of
Francis and
names of his parents. I'm "lurking" at the moment in order to work on my
husband's lines.

COOK, CAROLINE BURNETT (BNCCOOK@aol.com)
Born in Alabama, presently living with my husband in Newark, Delaware,
home of the U. of D. Descendant of KIZIAH PORTIS (also spelled, in
various docum.Portis, Portress...maybe the backwoods
versions of POYTHRESS. Seems likely to me.
Searching for
Parents and siblings of this lady:
KIZIAH PORTRESS was b.1763-d.1841.
MARRIED :1874, in Halifax ...NC or Va:
CAPT. RICHARD PAYNE RANSOM b1752, Isle of Wight Co., Va.,d.22 July 1827
in
Murphreesboro, Tennessee.
Searching for birthplace of: Robert Ransom (formerlyROBERT
PORTRESS)b.1786
Benjamin C. Ransom (formerly BENJAMIN PORTRESS)b.1788
The NC Archives say their name was changed by an act of the legislature,
the
bill having been put by RICHARD PAYNE RANSOM, ROBERT PORTRESS and
BENJAMIN C.
PORTRESS. These Portress or possibly POYTRESS boys were raised as
children
of the Ransoms. All the other Ransom children were born between 1790 and
1819.

CROSSLIN, JIM (crosslin@us.net)
I have no relationship to the Poythress line, per se. However, there is
a remote tie-in to the line that could possibly shed light on the
arrival date of my immigrant -- a Cros(s)land. For
this reason, I have been "listening" to the Poythress group for a little
while to see what I might learn.

NEAL, BARBARA POYTHRESS (73622.2543@compuserve.com)
Born a Poythress in Birmingham, AL. Currently living in Los Angeles, CA
area.
Not retired, but wish I were so would have more time for family history.
Descendant of James Edward Poythress who was born in Mecklenburg County,
VA on
the 13th of August 1803, and who moved to Sumter County, AL at age 50
with his
wife & all 8 of their children & with his "nephew, James Speed
Poythress" in
1853. Would love to learn who was the father of James Edward Poythress,
my
gggrandfather. Interested in all Poythress info anytime, anywhere.

I do know that Carl Poythress, one of James Speed Poythress' sons, when
he
(Carl) was quite elderly wrote his niece in 1967 that the father of
James Speed
Poythress was Nathan Poythress, and that the grandfather of James Speed
Poythress was David Poythress, but I (and others who have worked on
Mecklenburg
County, VA Poythress folks) suspect that he reversed it, and that JSP's
father
was more likely David. Have yet to find a trace of a Nathan Poythress
that
early, but would appreciate knowing if anyone else knows of an earlier
Nathan
Poythress since my grandfather (b. 1878) was named Nathan, and one of
his uncles
( that is, one of the sons of James Edward Poythress) was also named
Nathan (b.
1830).

POYTHRESS, BUD LeRoof (nmn) "Bud" (BPoythress@aol.com)
4741 Rushing Drive, Wilmington, NC 28409-8969
b. Savannah, GA - January 27th, 1921
d. ? - not yet, I don't think!
Married: 12/17/43 to Ensign Esther
Merle Clark, RN, USNR of Garfield
(Emanuel County), GA..
We have 2 children; Joseph E. Poythress, III (now living in
Cumming, GA); and Martha Settie (Poythress) Jones (living here in
Wilmington, NC).
I served 20 years active duty US Navy, 1939-59; employed 7+
years by Marchant Div., SCM Corp; 8 years Civil Service, (Fed. Gov.) -
USAF, Langley Field, VA; and FDA, Rockville, MD. - Retired 9/30/80 and
did consultant duty until we moved to Lake Hartwell, GA 4/1/81 upon
wife's retirement from NIH, Bethesda, MD. I was the 2nd child born to
Joseph Eugene and Martha Elizabeth (Gnann)
Poythress, Sr. 2nd of 4 children, one (3rd) died at birth; however some
"said it was me!", but I'm not really sure? I am a decendent of
Meredith & Edith (Cleaton) Poythress, Sr. of Mecklenburg County, VA,
who after 1800 migrated to Burke Co., GA and in 1803 settled in
Screven Co., GA. My siblings: Joseph E. Poythress, Jr., Gunnersmate
2c, USN b. 10/2/18; d. "KIA" 11/13/42 aboard the USS Aaron Ward DD483 at
Guadalcanal; and Martha Ann (Poythress) Bridges; b. 8/2/28; m. Glee
Edwin Bridges now living in Kings Mountain, NC.

POYTHRESS, CLAUDE RAYMOND (HMCM28@aol.com)
Congratulations to all who are doing such good work. Hope to contribute
something in the future.
44 Adna Pearce Road
Zebulon, NC 27597

POYTHRESS, JOHN MAYNARD (VKRatliff@aol.com)
B. Macon, GA, now lives Louisville, KY. Retired. Descendent of Thomas
Poythress ca 1760 Dinwiddie
County through Meredith Poythress of Mecklenburg County, VA who
immigrated to Screven
County, GA ca 1787. Looking for all Poythresses anytime, anywhere in
building one-name data base.

POYTHRESS, LORI WALKER (LPoythress@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Lori Walker Poythress , wife of Gary Lee Poythress . Married in 1978 .
Gary's parents , Jackson Lee Poythress and Geneva Gaskins Poythress live
in
South Hill , Va in Mecklenburg , County.
Currently live in Chesterfield County , VA with two sons Justin Grant
Poythress 15, Aaron Lee Poythress 12.
I've taught school in Prince George County , VA for 16 years.

SCOTT, CRAIG ROBERTS (willowbend@mediasoft.net)
b. Washington, DC now lives Lovettsville, Va. Retired, Navy Medical
Service
Corps Officer, USNR. Full time genealogist, Certified Genealogical
Records
Specialist in the military records of the National Archives, national
lecturer, author, publisher and proprietor of Willow Bend Books a
Genealogical and Historical Bookstore on the Internet. I am a member of
the
National Genealogical Society Quarterly Editorial Board and the
President of
the Association of One-Name Studies. I have been the Poythress point of
contact in the Guild of One-Name Studies since 1985.

I am a descendent of Benjamin Poythress, a huckster of Petersburg, Va.
who
lived there in the 1850 and early 1860s. Buried Blanford Cemetery. Wife,
Susan M. and family moved to Lynchburg, Va. where Mary Ellen Poythress
married my great-grandfater Roland Woody Roberts as his first wife. I
have
benn collecting information on Poythresses anytime any place since 1987
when
I wanted to prove that a girl friend was a cousin. The girl friend went
away
but the passion for Poythresses did not. I am also the Clan Scott
Genealogist and am over a year behind in correspondence so that tells
you
where by Poythress work lies.

SCRUGGS, JULIA ANN (JUDY) (was638@inetnow.net)
Scruggs, Julia Ann "Judy Speed" b. Meridian, Ms. Now live in Atlanta,Ga.
I have been in the childcare business for 16 years. Just sold my last
center last year. I am taking it easy for a while. Descendant of David
Poythress ca 1806 Mecklenburg county,Va. His father was Nathan but we do
not have a date on him.

SPILLE, BARBARA JEAN POYTHRESS (spillej@esper.com)
306 South Kingston Avenue
Rockwood, Tennessee 37854
Birthplace - Hopewell Virginia, 1946
Father - William Arthur Poythress
Birthplace - Wilson County, North Carolina, 1906
Grandfather - William Francis Poythress, 1875
Birthplace - Northampton, North Carolina
GGrandfather - Richard P.Poythress, about 1846
Birthplace - Northampton, North Carolina
I am a retired teacher, run a Bed & Breakfast in my Victorian Home.

STARR, LINDA SPARKS (starr81@ix.netcom.com)
I'm one of those "allied lines". For the life of me, I can't remember
just "which" and "where" the connection lies -- somewhere in
early Henrico and Charles City Counties -- and am too busy on "other"
lines to look up the connection now. I'm writing this note to say
"thanks" to
those providing "extraneous" information to the group. I've especially
enjoyed the Mulungeon and Portegeuse discussions for I had to get off
the Melungeon list -- couldn't handle ALL the mail from it. Keep up
the good work -- someday I'll remember where the connection lies.

TIMS, NELL & ALBERT, SR. (smith@gte.net)

(bio promised ...)

TIMS, ALBERT, JR. (timsx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu)
1578 Corral Lane, Woodbury, Minnesota 55125
Wife: Karin; Children: Elizabeth, Pamela, Johanna
Occupation: Professor and director of Graduate and Undergraduate
Studies, School of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of
Minnesota. Ph.D. from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Also taught
at Indiana University-Bloomington and Stanford University. Served as a
Foreign Affairs Specialist for the U.S. Information Agency, Washington,
D.C. during the Ford and Carter administrations. Teach courses in
political communication, public opinion, quantitative research methods,
communication theory, public affairs, and advertising and public
relations campaigns.

b: Ft. Jackson, South Carolina (09/30/51). Lived in Meridian, MS until
the age of 12. As a boy spent lots of time with my grandmother (Grace
Poythress) at the old Poythress homestead on C Street in Meridian. I
loved that grand old place. Grace Poythress was the daughter of James
David Poythress. James David was the son of James Speed Poythress of
Mecklenburg County, Virginia. I'm interested in all people, places and
things Poythress. More generally, I'm interested in the social,
political, cultural,
economic and geographic dynamics of the family history. I'm also
interested in the histories of allied the families. I'm still growing
as a genealogical researcher and owe a big debt to Barbara Poythress
Neal, Maynard Poythress and Barbara Poythress Wolfe for adopting me.

WOLFE, BARBARA POYTHRESS (Beetle72@aol.com)
Born in Jacksonville, Florida, and I now live in Southern California.
Descendant of David E. Poythress (1800-1876) of Mecklenburg, VA.
David moved into Vance County, NC and he had a close association with
Lewis
Poythress of Mecklenburg. I would like to learn their kinship.
Interested in gathering and sharing Poythress info.		12/01/1998 11:32:26
Off-line 12/8 - 12/30I'll be "somewhat" off-line for this period as I'm going to Houston where son-
in-law will be doing a rebuild on my PC. Both my son and daughter are in
Houston and both have AOL so I will still receive mail but it's not improbable
that I may miss one and/or have a response go astray.

Wishing for each of you the best of holiday seasons,

Maynard

12/03/1998 4:50:31
Re: For the RecordCharles Neal12-3-98

Lyn,

Did you get any response from Maynard when you asked about his source(s)
for these cemetery burials? If so, I'd appreciate hearing, too.

Understand he'll be in Houston for most of the month, so if you (a) didn't
have a response earlier to above, and (b) happen to see him & have a chance
to inquire in person, and (c) get a verbal response, I'd appreciate
knowing. Thanks :-))

Sure appreciate you coming out to the airport & having the chance to meet
you in person.

BPN		12/03/1998 7:49:46
CSA Soldiers-LouisiannaOff the Ancestry Board. They were there so I'm just recording them for the
record.
Pay no attention to "click to view full details"....what you're seeing ARE
full details.
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Confederate Research Sources
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Poythress, A. J.,Pvt. Co. A. 6th La. Cav. Roll of Prisoners of War, C. S. A.,
Paroled at Shreveport,
La., June 9, 1865. Res. Caddo Par., La.
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Confederate Research Sources
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page 192
Poythress, J. A.,Pvt. Capt. Bickham's Co. (Caddo Mil.) La. Roll April 12 to
June 22, 1863 (only
Roll on file), En. April 12, 1863, Caddo Par., La. Absent without leave since
June 12, 1863.
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Confederate Research Sources
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P.
page 192
Poythress, John P.,Pvt. Co. A, 25th La. Inf. En. March 14, 1862, New Orleans,
La. Roll dated June
30, 1862, Absent at Hospl., sick. Rolls Dec., 1862, to June, 1863, Absent,
wounded Dec. 31, 1862,
Murfreesboro. Federal Rolls of Prisoners of War, Captured Murfreesboro,
Tenn., Jan. 4, 1863. On
Hospl. Register, Admitted Feb. 3, 1863, to No. 2 (New) U. S. A. Gen. Hospl.,
Nashville, Tenn.
Admitted to No. 7 U: S. A. Gen. Hospl., Louisville, Ky. Forwd. from Military
Prison, Louisville, Ky.,
to Baltimore, Md., En route for City Pt., Va. Exchanged City Pt. Va., May 14,
1863. Roll July and
Aug., 1863, Discharged Aug. 20, 1863; final statement given.		12/09/1998 7:35:12
Christmas 1890My cousin found this in her Mother's papers. It has made my christmas
special
from the [Laurel, Mississippi] LEADER-CALL dated 12/1/67
Yule Reminiscing
POYTHRESS REMMEBERS SUIT MADE BY MOTHER
By Anne Sanders,staff writer

A new suit of clothes made by his mother and a special surprise from an
older brother is the Christmas which comes into his mind and lingers
more often any other with C.H. Poythress, 1003 Second Ave.
This is a second in a series of articles from Laurel area citizens on
their ‘ Most Memorable Christmas’.
Poythress, a director of commercial National Bank since 1940, said he
becan discovering America almos 84 years ago over in the northwest
corner of the white lime hills of Sumter County Alabama. It was 11 miles
from the railroad station of Epps,Ala. and 16 miles from the county seat
of Livingston, Ala.
His ‘most memorable Christmas’ was in 1890 when he was 6 years old. He
was the youngest of nine children, and the youngest of seven boys. The
family lived in a large,two story log house.

This particular year, Poythress recalls,his mother decided to see if she
could make a suit of clothes for each of the seven boys for Christmas,
and she did. “We country boys really did strut our putty int those
suits,”he smiled in recollection.

“We had a large fireplace in one of our biggest bedrooms wher the family
spent much of the time.” The fireplace had long metal arms from the
sides from which we could hang pots for cooking.We used dutch ovens on
the hearth,which we would put coals from the fire on top for baking.” he
said.
“I remember taking sweet potatoes and eggs, wraping them in extra wet
cloths or paper, covering them with hot coals and roast them that way.
Not bad eating either. I suggest you try it sometime.” he said
amusingly.

“On this particular year, my oldest brother, Charlie, then getting to
be a young man about 22 or23 years old, left home to go to work. He
boarded the train to Alabama at the Epps Station on the Great Southern
Railroad for York, which was about 20 miles to the southwest. There he
changed trains, taking the old Southern Railroad to as small place
called Brown’s Station which was near Selma, Ala. He was going to work
for a dear, loveable relative by the name of Ace Sims in a general
merchandise store. This was late summer or early autumn.” his story
goes.

“We had never been classified as being on poverty row nor were we from
silk stocking row,either. At Christmas, it was our custom for all, young
and old, to hang up our stockings for Santa to fill. Usually, we got an
aple or two, a few nuts, some candy, mostly stick candy and maybe one
orange. Christmas was the only time we saw oranges,” he remembered.
“This Christmas Charlie had not arrived when the rest of us had retired
but came in after we had gone to sleep. No doubt, our parents were in
cahoots with him. What a Santa Clause he was-- loaded down with fruits,
nuts,candies, fireworks,cookies and toys. When we children arose
Christmas morning before daybreak and saw all those things in and around
our stockings plus our new suits of clothes, we thought Heaven had
touched Earth. What a Christmas we had!! The most wonderful I can
remember,” Poythress said.

In addition to his long tenure on the bank’s board of directors, he was
executive secretary of the Chamber of Commerce for a number of years. He
is also a past president of the Rotary Club and a life member of the
official board of First Methodist Church.		12/12/1998 9:14:38
Fw: David Peebles/Christian PeeblesRandy JonesDoes anyone have more information on David PEEBLES for Cecil Patterson
below:

-----Original Message-----
From: ShilohIV@aol.com
To: rjones@charweb.org
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:44 PM
Subject: David Peebles/Christian Peebles

> While searching the net with Family Finder, I saw your page with
>references to David Peebles and daughter, Christian. I don't know if there
is
>a connection, but I am searching for info on my 10th great grandfather,
>"Captain" David Peebles, of Fife, Scotland. He was born around 1613 and,
>around 1633, he married Elspet (is this a variation of Elizabeth?) Mackie.
>The real coincidence is that they had a child "Christian" around 1634. I
had
>assumed that Christian was a male, but I have no documentation either way.
>David later came to America in 1649, settling in Virginia.
> Do you have any information which would indicate that this is the same
>David Peebles?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Cecil Patterson
>shilohiv@aol.com
>		12/13/1998 8:01:12
RE: David Peebles/Christian PeeblesLou PooleCertainly! Please point him to the Allied Family page (or "button")
and I think what he's looking for will be right there, including a
discussion of the very "problem" he's trying to solve.

I haven't done much more on this line - what's on the web is the
extent of my knowledge. After all, I'm still officially classified as
a wanna-be Poythress .

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:rjones@charweb.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 9:01 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: David Peebles/Christian Peebles

Does anyone have more information on David PEEBLES for Cecil Patterson
below:

-----Original Message-----
From: ShilohIV@aol.com
To: rjones@charweb.org
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:44 PM
Subject: David Peebles/Christian Peebles

> While searching the net with Family Finder, I saw your page with
>references to David Peebles and daughter, Christian. I don't know if
there
is
>a connection, but I am searching for info on my 10th great
grandfather,
>"Captain" David Peebles, of Fife, Scotland. He was born around 1613
and,
>around 1633, he married Elspet (is this a variation of Elizabeth?)
Mackie.
>The real coincidence is that they had a child "Christian" around
1634. I
had
>assumed that Christian was a male, but I have no documentation either
way.
>David later came to America in 1649, settling in Virginia.
> Do you have any information which would indicate that this is
the same
>David Peebles?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Cecil Patterson
>shilohiv@aol.com
>

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		12/14/1998 6:37:53
And A Geneologist's Good Night!Received this is the mail from one of my lists ...

For all of us researchers.....

"Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse.
The dining room table with clutter was spread
With pedigree charts and with letters which said...
"Too bad about the data for which you wrote
Sank in a storm on an ill fated boat."

Stacks of old copies of wills and the such
Were proof that my work had become much too much.
Our children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads.
And I at my table was ready to drop
From work on my album with photos to crop.

Christmas was here, and of such was my lot
That presents and goodies and toys I forgot.
Had I not been so busy with grandparent's wills,
I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills.
While others had bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheer;

I'd spent time researching those birthdates and years.

While I was thus musing about my sad plight,
A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright.
Away to the window I flew in a flash,
Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash.
When what to my wondering eyes should appear?
But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer.

Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew,
With a sleigh full of toys, and old Santa Claus too.
And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs.
The TV antenna was no match for their horns,
And look at our roof with hoof-prints adorned.

As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash,
Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH!
"Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck,
And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!)

Spotting my face, good old Santa could see
I had no Christmas spirit you'd have to agree.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work
And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk).
Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy;
When I'd been too busy for even one toy.
He spied my research on the table all spread
"A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!)

"Tonight I've met many like you", Santa grinned.
As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned.
I gazed with amazement - the cover it read
"Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Plead."
"I know what it's like as a genealogy bug,"
He said as he gave me a a great Santa Hug.

"While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry,
I do some research in the North Pole Library!
A special treat I am thus able to bring,
To genealogy folks who can't find a thing.
Now off you go to your bed for a rest,
I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess."

As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee,
I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me.
While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle,
To his team which then rose like the down of a thistle
And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
"Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!"

12/15/1998 4:21:53
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Received this is the mail from one of my lists ...

For all of us researchers.....

"Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse.
The dining room table with clutter was spread
With pedigree charts and with letters which said...
"Too bad about the data for which you wrote
Sank in a storm on an ill fated boat."

Stacks of old copies of wills and the such
Were proof that my work had become much too much.
Our children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads.
And I at my table was ready to drop
From work on my album with photos to crop.

Christmas was here, and of such was my lot
That presents and goodies and toys I forgot.
Had I not been so busy with grandparent's wills,
I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills.
While others had bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheer;
I'd spent time researching those birthdates and years.

While I was thus musing about my sad plight,
A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright.
Away to the window I flew in a flash,
Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash.
When what to my wondering eyes should appear?
But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer.

Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew,
With a sleigh full of toys, and old Santa Claus too.
And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs.
The TV antenna was no match for their horns,
And look at our roof with hoof-prints adorned.

As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash,
Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH!
"Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck,
And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!)
Spotting my face, good old Santa could see
I had no Christmas spirit you'd have to agree.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work
And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk).
Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy;
When I'd been too busy for even one toy.
He spied my research on the table all spread
"A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!)

"Tonight I've met many like you", Santa grinned.
As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned.
I gazed with amazement - the cover it read
"Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Plead."
"I know what it's like as a genealogy bug,"
He said as he gave me a a great Santa Hug.

"While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry,
I do some research in the North Pole Library!
A special treat I am thus able to bring,
To genealogy folks who can't find a thing.
Now off you go to your bed for a rest,
I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess."

As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee,
I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me.
While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle,
To his team which then rose like the down of a thistle
And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight,
"Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!"

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Re: PolytressThanks, Helene. I found particularly interesting the many "maybe"
Poythress spellings at . To
list just a few...
POITRAS
POLREIS
POLYTHRESS
PORTNESS
PORTIS
PORTISE
PORTRAS
PORTRATZ
PORTRESS
PORTREVE
PORTREY
PORTRIFFE
PORTTEUS
PORTUEUS
PORTUS
POTRARTZ
POTRATZ
POTRAX
POTRAZ
POTROFF
POTRUFF
POYDRAS
POYNTRESS
POYRHRESS
POYTHERES
POYTHERS
POYTHRESE
POYTHRESS
POYTHRIES
POYTHRIESS
POYTHUSS
POYTRESS

Of these I find the POLYTHRESS name most promising as a likely corruption
that could easily be missed. Thanks as always for looking out for us
Po?...how do you spell that again! -lpb

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:38:03 -0700 Helene Pockrus
writes:
>Try this site :
>
>http://www.infoseek.com/Titles?qt=polythress&col=WW&sv=N6&svx=nssbR1&sub
mit=++Go++
>

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: GreenRandy JonesBill -

I too believe Burwell GREEN (d.1733) married Ann POYTHRESS (b.1674). I do
not have a listing of their children - only my ancestor Sarah GREEN who m.
Miles THWEATT.

I have forwarded your query to two mail lists - Green & Poythress. One of
their members may be able to help you.

- Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: Wab615@aol.com
To: rjones@charweb.org
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Green

>Randy
>
>I believe that Burwell Green married Ann Poythress. Burwell and Ann had a
>child, Miss (Rebecca?) Green (b. c 1742) who married Ludson Worsham (b. c
>1740).
>
>Would love to find out more about the Greens. Appreciate the help with
Agnes
>Thweatt Manson. THANKS
>
>Bill Bridgforth
>		12/20/1998 8:55:57
??? Giles, Wife of Lewis PoythressPoythress researchers, S.O.S. Whom did Lewis POYTHRESS marry in 1792?
Was it Elizabeth GILES, as quoted from DAR Marriages Volume I, Page 100?
Was it Patsey GILES, as quoted from Mecklenburg Marriage Bonds and
Consent Papers, 1770-1810, "P" Reel 58, Page 376? Thanks for any help.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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??? Giles, Wife of Lewis PoythressCharles NealLyn,

My photocopy from the original microfilmed by the Library of Va LOOKS like
the name is either "Batsey" or "Patsey" Giles. It truly could be either
one from what I can see. The problem is that the uppercase letter at the
beginning of her name is at the far left of the page, and the edge all
around the page is very black. If you draw a large numeral "3" on a paper,
with black shadow beginning at both the point where you set your pencil
down & where you picked it up again, and then put a small vertical line
very close to the top hump of the "3" inside the hump, then you have what
appears here. I can see that it could be read as "Patsey" but also that
someone could have seen more of the left side of the letter earlier &
perhaps had a reason to read it as "Batsey" or have thought it said
"Betsey" which of course is a nickname for Elizabeth.

BPN		12/22/1998 6:19:45
GRSA little guidance here if you please, Barbara and all......

I got into Clayton's disks of that "Genealogical Research System".....it is
that old
DOS operating program that is owned by virtually every library in the world
and is intended to be a "service" to genealogists.

The problem with using the thing is that most librarys (or maybe I'm just
assuming "most"....but the Clayton does anyway) puts you on a clock for the PC
and the CD-ROM trays and you only get a 30 minute whack at them. That's hardly
enough time to say "boo".

On my first day I invested the 30 minutes figuring how to work the thing and
other particulars about it. On second day I was able to get a perspective on
how to utilize the thing and how to do productive searches on it.

Here is how I shook it out:

* there are about 250+ disks, the Clayton has maybe 85 or so of them.
* Clayton has the "index" disk and that lets one get a sense of what's in the
whole
works.
* Whats in it? Off the index disk the first thing you see is that Disk # 112
has at least 125+ Poythresses. After some thrashing about and asking the
librarian one discovers that Disk # 112 is the social security death list and
other official death records, none any older than about 1910. So, what looked
to be a jackpot is a
"throw down". Didn't even bother to waste my time.
*looking at the given names and the dates (dates are occasionally shown) it
appears that the other disks all have fruitful information for us. I'm NOT
saying that it is all new information for us because, after all, we have all
worked the "printed matter" sources pretty darn good. But obviously, some of
it is going to be new and helpful in
greater or lesser ways to all on the List.
* There are one or more (mostly more) Poythresses indexed as being on the
following disks: 1, 3, 4, 22, 24, 26, 34, 43, 45, 100, 101, 102, 136, 137,
148, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 226, 229, 250, 251,and 252.
* The "information" on a particular list is unknown to you until you get the
particular CD-ROM into the PC and see its title......but generally speaking,
it's all over the map. For example, Disk # 137 might be early Va. wills &
deeds....or almost anything. But for our purposes initially it is largely raw
data to be assimilated. And frankly, it's pretty maddening stuff to work with
because no sources, geographical places, etc. are cited. However, even if the
information is only a search clue, my impression is that it is most
valuable.....simply because it appears to have been gathered from original
sources instead of merely copied of all that junk genealogy floating around on
the net.
*other disks that are 99% likely to be "ours" are:

Poythrip, John C. # 045
Poythrop, John 148
Poythrop, Joshua 146
Poythrop, Wm 154
Poythuss, Wm D. 024
Poytress 4, 229, 043, 136, 148, 049
Poyythress, Jos. 148
*this data lends itself to be transcribed via dictaphone and I can make pretty
good time.
*here are first 2 Disks Clayton had (following disk #1 which is the index):

Disk # 3
Some Marriages
Thompson, Mary Ann Poythress, Issac 7 Apr 1850
Wilder, Mary Ann Poythress, John W. 15 Feb 1844
Poythress, Joseph King, Mary 24 Apr 1814

Comments: now, obviously, we already know about these 3 and for that matter,
have a ton of information NOT given by the GRS Disks.

Disk 4 (gets a little better)
Again, "Some" Marriages:
Poythress, Wm Lewis, Ann 27 Sep 1785
Dortch, Wm. A. Poythress, Sarah G. 31 Jan 1837
Poythress, David Dortch, Sally 15 Mch 1848
Poythress, Joshua Crowder, Elizabeth J. 30 Sep 1850
Vaughn, N. D. Poythress, Mary E. 17 May 1861
Bently, Ann Poythress, William 10 Nov 1802
Cleaton, Edith Poythress, Meredith 14 Jul 1781
Giles, Patsey Poythress, Lewis 26 Dec 1793
Poythress, Lewis Taylor, Rebecca B. 9 Apr 1802
Frazer, Simon Poythress, Elizabeth 7 Dec 1775
Poythress, John Cocke Peter, Elizabeth 24 Nov 1794.

Likewise, we also know about "most'" of these folks as well, but, for example,
I may have that Simon Frazer/Elizabeth Poythress marriage but may not have the
date....so GRS has given me "something" any way.

*in glancing over other disks it strikes me that they are not quite as
"tablular" as these first two and there are likely some "text" documents to be
transcribed.

To continue to build a genuinely functional page....it would be my feeling
that the GRS Poythress data should be a "folder" entry and then all of the
information off all of the disks (as referenced by disk #) could be recorded
as part of our data base as a "page" in that folder. Anybody got any problems
with that?

I have great difficulty believing we'd have any copyright problems with this
data....or at least have enough of a problem to beat the system by going at it
"the long way"
list Poythresses and then source cite GRS just to make ourselves bullet-proof.

If this looks okay to everyone, I'd go ahead and build a page for Al that
would have the disk # headings at the top and then the individual disk info
with its information.

Opinions?

Maynard		12/25/1998 10:18:35
GRSCharles NealRe: "I got into Clayton's disks of that "Genealogical Research
System".....it is that old DOS operating program that is owned by virtually
every library in the world and is intended to be a "service" to
genealogists."

Maynard, I am not familiar with this GRS at all. Don't even recall seeing
it. Have certainly never consulted GRS in any library that I have visited.

I would urge you to look thoroughly at the opening screens of each CD you
are wanting to post information from. If these are CDs from some entity
such as Family Tree Maker, there would be explicit copyright warnings
against publishing the data from their CDs, including such wide publication
on a website.

Sounds like you can certainly find lots of good info, and I look forward to
learning more -- as much more as you can pass on.

BPN

12/27/1998 12:06:09
Newport NewsCharles NealDon't know if you subscribe to the Southside Virginia List or not, but this
obituary for Parke Rouse, one of Virginia's finest men, included a website
for the Daily Press newspaper, which covers Newport News. The site listed
below takes one directly to their historical archives, where I searched on
"Poythress" and came up with 3 articles (from 1991, 1992, and 1993) all of
which mention Poythress, and all 3 of which were indeed written by Parke
Rouse.

The main site for the newspaper, which has local news of the area, &
current obits & lots of other info, is at:
http://dailypress.com

Hope you enjoy this as much as I did.
BPN
> > >
Park Rouse died last year. You can read some of his columns online in the
history section of the Daily Press website:
http://dailypress.com/extra/histarch/history.htm

The following obituary ran in the Daily Press:
Date: Thursday, March 6, 1997
Source: By WILL MOLINEUX Daily Press
Section: Local
Copyright DAILY PRESS

PARKE ROUSE: 1915-1997 A VIRGINIA GENTLEMAN

Parke Shepherd Rouse Jr., who through his writings did much to keep
fresh the history of Virginia, died in his sleep in his home in
Williamsburg early Wednesday. He would have been 82 in July.
Mr. Rouse - who never lived far from the James River - was a
newspaperman whose passion for Virginia's past is expressed in 22 books and
countless articles and columns published in periodicals, including the
Daily Press.
While his interest encompassed colonial times as well as contemporary
events, he was fond of focusing on vignettes and anecdotes. He was a
celebrated raconteur who relished reciting the history that he had been
taught and telling of the life experiences he remembered. For him, history
was personal, but something personal that was meant to be shared.
As a historian, Mr. Rouse spent scant time analyzing the sweep of
events, but frequently took the occasion to bemoan the passing of gentler
days. He had the manner of a Southern gentleman; he was unfailingly polite,
even when his
memory was challenged.
Mr. Rouse was born in Smithfield, grew up in Newport News, lived in
Richmond immediately before and after World War II and moved to
Williamsburg in 1953, and oversaw the state's celebration of the 350th
anniversary of the settlement at Jamestown and administered the state park
now known as the Jamestown Settlement.
While he was active in promoting the landmarks of Virginia as tourist
attractions, his primary interest was in preserving the Virginia story -
the noble feats of patriots and planters, of militiamen and craftsmen, of
revolutionaries and rebels, of college professors and clergymen.
One of Mr. Rouse's first histories, "Endless Harbour," is the story of
Newport News. The centennial history of the city which came out late last
year, which he co-authored, was his last published work. He edited the
diary of George Benjamin West, one of the pioneers of Newport News. He
wrote a biography of James Blair, the founder and first president of The
College of William and Mary, and a history of the President's House at W&M.
His book on the Great Wagon Road, by which settlers from Pennsylvania came
to western Virginia, is used as a high school textbook. Many of his more
recent books are collections of columns he wrote for the Daily Press.
Mr. Rouse, observed Guy Friddell, a columnist with The Virginian-Pilot,
explained Virginians to themselves. And he did it, Friddell said, "with
grace and good humor."
Dorothy Rouse-Bottom, a distant cousin and former editor of the Daily
Press, said Mr. Rouse saw the history of the Peninsula "through a loving
eye" and "wrote always with a kind of sweetness that endeared us to our own
past."
Rouse-Bottom enlisted Mr. Rouse to write his column, "Old Virginia," which
has appeared in the Sunday Outlook section for more than 15 years. Mr.
Rouse wrote occasional feature articles for the newspaper before his column
was
instituted.
Parke Rouse was the son of an old Virginia family. The Rouses first
settled on the Northern Neck and John Rouse, Parke Rouse's grandfather,
moved from King and Queen County with his brother to Isle of Wight County
after the Civil War and there was a cabinetmaker. Parke Shepherd Rouse Sr.
and his wife, Pauline Dashiell Rouse, moved to Newport News when Parke Jr.
was 3.
Mr. Rouse, who often recalled boyhood days in his Daily Press column,
was graduated from Newport News High School. He received a bachelor's
degree in 1937 from Washington and Lee University, where he was inducted
into membership
in Phi Beta Kappa, the honorary scholarship fraternity, and into Omicron
Delta Kappa, the honorary leadership fraternity. He was a reporter for The
Times-Herald, the afternoon newspaper in Newport News, for three years and
then was
a general and political reporter for the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
For four wartime years he was a naval officer and saw action in the
invasions of Sicily, Salerno and Saipan. Later he served on Guam on the
staff of Adm. Chester Nimitz, commander in chief of the Pacific Theater.
Mr. Rouse returned to the Times-Dispatch in 1946 and was an editorial
writer and assistant to Virginius Dabney, the historian who was editorial
page editor. In 1948 he was named Sunday editor, a post he held until 1950
when he
joined the staff of the Virginia State Chamber of Commerce. In 1953 he came
to Williamsburg to accept an appointment as director of publications for
Colonial Williamsburg, and a year later was named executive director of the
Virginia
350th Anniversary Celebration Commission. As such, he worked with the late
Del. Lewis A. McMurran Jr. of Newport News to arrange for the visit to the
United States of Queen Elizabeth II and other events associated with the
year-long Jamestown Festival of 1957.
Mr. Rouse was executive director of the Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation,
the state agency which managed Jamestown Festival Park (since renamed
Jamestown Settlement) and the Yorktown Victory Center. He retired from that
post in
1980.
He was executive director of the Virginia Independence Bicentennial
Commission, which directed a years-long observance that ended in 1981.
The governor of Virginia named Mr. Rouse a Virginia Laureate for his
contributions to preserving Virginia's heritage.
In later years Mr. Rouse and his wife, Betsy, traveled extensively,
making many trips overseas. And he wrote travel articles for newspapers and
magazines. He and his wife had been scheduled to leave Williamsburg
Wednesday
for a trip to Florida and a cruise up the Inland Waterway.
Mr. Rouse was active in the civic life of Williamsburg, as well as
historical societies. He was past governor of the Jamestowne Society, past
president of the Williamsburg Rotary Club, past President of the
Williamsburg Chamber of Commerce, past president of the Williamsburg
Community Council, past vice president of the Williamsburg Community
Hospital, past president of the Williamsburg-James City County United Fund.
He was a member of the Middle Plantation Club. He was a past member of the
Washington and Lee alumni board.
He was a member of Bruton Parish Church where he served on the vestry
and was a former senior warden.
Rouse is survived by his wife, Elizabeth "Betsy" Gayle Rouse; two
daughters, Elizabeth Marshall Rouse McClure of Norfolk and Sarah Dashiell
Rouse Sheehan of Washington, D.C.; a son, Parke Shepherd Rouse III of
Raphine; and a brother, Randolph D. Rouse of Washington, D.C.
A private burial service will be held in the family cemetery in
Smithfield and a memorial service will be conducted at 3 p.m. Saturday in
Bruton Parish Church in Williamsburg.
The family requests no flowers. In recognition of Mr. Rouse's
contributions to Virginia history, friends may wish to make tax deductible
gifts to The Parke Rouse Virginia History Fund, c/o City of Williamsburg
300th Anniversary Commission, Trist McConnell, chair; 401 Lafayette St.,
Williamsburg 23185-3617, to promote continuing interest in the
commonwealth's heritage.

BIBLIOGRAPHY Books by Parke Rouse * They Gave Us Freedom, 1951
* The City That Turned Back Time: Colonial Williamsburg's First 25
Years, 1952
* Williamsburg in Color, 1953
* Virginia: The English Heritage in America, 1966
* Planters and Pioneers: Life in Colonial Virginia, 1968
* Below The James Lies Dixie: Smithfield and Southside Virginia, 1968
* Endless Harbor: The Story of Newport News, 1969
* Richmond in Color, 1978
* Tidewater Virginia in Color, 1968
* James Blair of Virginia, 1971
* Roll, Chesapeake, Roll: Chronicles of The Great Bay, 1972
* Cows on The Campus: Williamsburg in Bygone Years, 1973
* The Great Wagon Road from Philadelphia to The South, 1973
* Virginia: A Pictorial History, 1975
* When The Yankees Came: Civil War and Reconstruction on The Virginia
Peninsula; The Diary of George Benjamin West, 1839-1917, 1977
* A House for a President: 250 Years on The Campus of William and Mary,
1983
* Living By Design: Leslie Cheek and The Arts, 1985
* The Good Old Days in Hampton and Newport News, 1986
* Remembering Williamsburg: A Sentimental Journey Through Three
Centuries, 1989
* The James: Where a Nation Began, 1990
* Along Virginia's Golden Shores: Glimpses of Tidewater Life, 1994
* An Old Fashioned Christmas in Virginia, 1995
* We Happy WASPs: Virginia in The Days of Jim Crow and Harry Byrd, 1996
* Newport News: A Centennial History (with John V. Quarstein), 1996		12/29/1998 4:31:22
Re: Newport News / Park RouseBabara, thanks for sharing this. I was not aware that Mr. Rouse had
passed. Someone gave my parents a copy of "Below the James Lies Dixie"
when it first came out. I remember the excitement as I read that book
and realized, perhaps for the first time, that MY LOCALE had a HISTORY,
and a very long and interesting one at that. I had known that my state,
Virginia, had a lot of history, but I thought of it as something one went
"elsewhere" to experience - Richmond, Jamestown, Williamsburg and so
forth. Mr. Rouse helped me begin recognizing the rich history right
around my home. I guess I'm still making that discovery.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: ??? Giles, Wife of Lewis PoythressPoythress listers, the proposal from Barbara Neal and Linda Sparks Starr
seems plausible and is perhaps the most likely explanation I have yet
seen. Perhaps ?Patsey = ?Batsey = ?Betsey. When I raised the question I
had two thoughts in mind:

First, in some cases I have encountered multiple "primary" sources for
the same marriage. Sometimes for a single marriage there is an original
marriage bond, an original minister's return and/or an original (or at
least contemporary) marriage register entry. I am unfamiliar with the
state of surviving marriage artifacts from 18th century Mecklenburg.
>From your photocopy, Barbara, was your original a bond, a minister's
return, or a clerk's register entry? Then, would any other lister happen
to have an image of a different original source for this same marriage,
one that plainly states "Elizabeth" rather than Patsey/Batsey? Or, if
any of you may happen to be at Library of Virginia in the future, it
would be appreciated if you could investigate what varieties of originals
survive there.

Second, I recall Hazel Murphy shared the following
with us (18 Apr 1998): "Well, I shall very carefully give you this. In
Mecklenburg County VA 4 Oct 1795 Thomas Nance married Elizabeth Giles."
So we have a 1792 marriage of an Elizabeth-or-Betsey-or-Patsey Giles and
a 1795 marriage of an Elizabeth Giles, both in Mecklenburg. I cant' help
but wonder if perhaps the Poythress spouse was Patsey and a clerk
confused Patsey with Elizabeth in a contemporary marriage register entry.

Anyway, I look forward to your further responses.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:19:45 -0500 Charles Neal
writes:
Lyn, My photocopy from the original microfilmed by the Library of Va
LOOKS like the name is either "Batsey" or "Patsey" Giles. It truly could
be either one from what I can see. The problem is that the uppercase
letter at the beginning of her name is at the far left of the page, and
the edge all around the page is very black. If you draw a large numeral
"3" on a paper, with black shadow beginning at both the point where you
set your pencil down & where you picked it up again, and then put a small
vertical line very close to the top hump of the "3" inside the hump, then
you have what appears here. I can see that it could be read as "Patsey"
but also that someone could have seen more of the left side of the letter
earlier & perhaps had a reason to read it as "Batsey" or have thought it
said "Betsey" which of course is a nickname for Elizabeth. BPN
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Re: ??? Giles, Wife of Lewis PoythressCharles Neal12-31-98

Lyn, and others who are interested in the question he posed -

I looked again thru my accumulated file of marriage records to try to
answer your question while looking at the marriage bond in question. What
I have is a copy made from microfilm of what appears to be a sheet of paper
about 6.5"x7.5" in size if this copy was not shrunk or enlarged. The sheet
contains only the bond for this one marriage, Poythress - Giles and is
dated 26 Dec 1792. It appears that the original sheet had been folded,
since the paper has obviously deteriorated around the earlier foldlines.

While I do not have a copy of the back side of that sheet of paper, I do
know that sometimes in the microfilm copies they do also have a copy of a
back side, which could be labelled at the time the original bond was
written, as to whose marriage it was, etc.

In hunting for this item, in my files I also found where I had requested
and obtained from the Library of VA's "Mecklenburg County, Marriage Returns
of Ministers, 1785 - 1854, Reel 48, p.11." I had ordered a photocopy of
that page because it listed the marriage of Joshua Preston & Leshia Feagins
who married 20 Dec 1792 [just days before Lewis Poythress & Giles]. This
page, because of the time proximity, also lists the marriage in question,
two entries below Joshua's. These two marriages were in a list of marriages
apparently performed by John Loyd, whose list of marriage returns it
appears to be. Lewis' marriage is listed as:
"Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles December 27th 1792"

Now, this copy is on 11"X17" paper, and appears to be an opened
ledger-sized book written probably at the contemporaneous time as the bond.
The pages of the ledger appear to have been actually sewn together at 2
to 3" intervals in the center, and the paper is obviously very old, showing
deterioration at the edges of the pages. For further info: as I look down
the page of ministers' marriage returns, I can confirm that (1) returns
were listed from more than one minister on this one page of the book, and
(2) all the ministers' returns are written in the same handwriting, which
is apparently that of the clerk maintaining the book.

Now: the ledger's handwriting is NEARLY the SAME identical handwriting as
the clerk's handwriting on the above mentioned bond, further possibly
indicating a contemporary-writing.

I say NEARLY identical, because MOST of the letters are formed the same
way, in both the ledger and on the bond.

In the ledger, the clerk made his uppercase "P" and his uppercase "B"
absolutely identically to each other except for the addition of a
lower-hump on his "B." There are numerous "B" and "P" examples on the
page. On the ledger-page, the uppercase "P" samples are definitely
different from the "P" of "Poythress" at the top of the bond.

A significant difference, however, is that on the bond the uppercase
"P"letters are very different from the uppercase "P" letters of the ledger.

On the bond itself, near the top of the sheet, in the names of Lewis
Poythress and of Meredith Poythress, the "P" of both of their names appears
to me now as I scrutinize this sheet, as being the same letter as in the
Patsey/Batsey Giles name. There are however NO words on the bond that
would necessarily begin with an uppercase "B" (such as "Bond" etc). Thus
our ability to conclusively say that the clerk meant this letter to be a
"P" is diminished, since we cannot see how he wrote "B" on this sample of
only one bond.

So all of that is no doubt why there has been a discrepancy in Giles' name
thru the years in the different transcriptions of marriage records: the
marriage return from the minister lists her as Elizabeth, and the bond
itself having been difficult to read as Betsey/Patsey due to placement of
the name near the deteriorating paper edge.

So there you have it.
BPN		12/31/1998 5:12:57
HeredityHeredity: A Genealogy Poem by Grandpa Tucker

I saw a duck the other day.
It had the feet of my Aunt Faye.
Then it walked, was heading South.
It waddled like my Uncle Ralph.

And when it turned, I must propose,
Its bill was formed like Aunt Jane's nose.
I thought, "Oh, no! It's just my luck,
Someday I'll look just like a duck!"

I sobbed to Mom about my fears,
And she said, "Honey, dry your tears.
You look like me, so walk with pride.
Those folks are all from Daddy's side."

01/01/1999 1:36:46
Re: GRSLyn, sorry we were unable to get together this trip. We'll make it for sure
sometime this year.

Re GRS disks.....Couple of disappointments. On my first go as a PC slow
learner, I burned about 15 of my allotted 30 mins. figuring out the DOS-driven
program.....leaving me time to capture only the 2 disks which I have already
posted. I got disks 3 & 4 (#1 was directory and they didn't have # 2).
Second disappointment: they only had about 30 or so disks of what I remember
to be some 150+ in the directory. (Caveat: ignore disks 112 & 114 which only
techinically look to have a ton of Poythresses.....these are SS and death
records, all post-1910 or so...which I figured none of us needed) Third
disappointment: when I got to disk # 5 it looked to have some real red meat
but it was a will copy or something (not an abstract)....the good news is
there is a printer attached to each PC/CD-ROM; the bad news is I couldn't
figure out how to make it go. I can still do the dictation routine and make
fairly good progress but it won't be anything like the smoke you can produce
knowing how to make the printer work. So.....if you get a chance to drop by
the place take a look at it.

Also, I'm going to Atlanta later this month and I think I remember them having
the same set of GRS disks.....if so, I'll go at that for all the time they
will let me have on the PC.

Best to you for New Year.

Maynard

P. S. I love this new Compaq Presario 5630......had a couple of pro's do all
my conversions and the thing is a dream. Only problem is I can't get it to
activate my Lexmark printer but I have a geekster friend coming over tomorrow
who no doubt will knock that one out in a minute or two.		01/02/1999 4:40:38
StuffCraig:

1) delighted to see you with THREE seminars at upcoming NGS conference in
Virginia. Pleased to have such a heavy hitter on our listserver. We're all
proud of you.

2) In the winter Ederhostel catalog this was an offering:
"WITH ROOTS IN VIRGINIA: HISTORY, FAMILIES AND THE PRACTICE OF
GENEALOGY"......"staff of the Library of Virginia is offering a comprehensive
course, etc. etc. It was course # 46891-0124-01. (Jan 24-29, $425 a
pop....which includes room and board). And it was a SINGLE course taking up
the entire week as opposed to 3 courses of different subjects which is the
norm. Ooooooh......that one's to die for.

In addition to dying to take the course, it's tough to live at home that
cheap.....what a deal. I phoned Elderhostel the day after I got catalog and
the course was sold out with 30+ on the waiting list. I felt sure if it was
that popular it would be in the subsequent catalog. Subseqent catalog (Spring
'99) arrived this week and the course was not offered.
That suggests to me that LVA, despite the demand, is likely offering the
course as a public service or something since they certainly ain't making any
money off it at that price.

My question: do you know the person who rigs these up for Elderhostel and
would said person be willing to sneak a little advance notice to you
when the identical course is going to show up in the next catalog? My purpose
would be to phone-register with Elderhostel before the catalog hits the mails.

3) trust you still have that list of 6 wills to copy for us and that list is
not
4 ft. down in your "to do-stack" by now.......and if it's gonna be a pain for
you an alternative would be to finagle me a price way short of $20
each....like maybe half price....which I'd be happy to cough up and save you
the trouble.

Again, congradulations on your starring role at NGS.....will there be a line
for autographs? >g>

Maynard		01/03/1999 5:16:06
Re: Mrs. Lewis Poythress - Mystery SolvedGreat work, Barbara! While we may never know the exact name of this
first Mrs. Lewis Poythress, at least now, thanks to your help, we know
the reason for our confusion: Patsey/Batsey on the bond, Elizabeth on
the minister's return. Right along the lines of what I had suspected.
This makes a nice improvement to the "Lewis Poythress, Progenitor"
compilation as well as to my FTM database! Thanks ever so much for your
careful and thorough - as always - analysis and for that wonderful stash
of images and transcriptions you maintain!

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: List of MinistersBarbara, I would not have been surprised to find our guy Francis Poythress
among the Methodists but my guess is that by the time the
bulk of the Mecklenburg records were being made, Francis was long gone to KY.

Maynard

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Maynard and the List,

Thanks for connecting me with this gentleman. He has substantiated much
of what I had long speculated about. Although, it is my line that goes
directly back to this settlement, I suspect that others on the list will
begin to build some connections. Many thanks,

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Many thanks for your e-mail.

1. The "Portuguese" settlement near Gaston is a remnant of a much
larger community that once existed in the area that was centered in what
is now Greensville County, and extending over into Brunswick. It
developed in the early part of the 18th century, and began to
disintegrate about the time of the Revolution and afterwards through
emigration to other parts of the South and to the Midwest, so that by
about 1850, there were only two remnants remaining, one being the
Portuguese settlement, and the other called "Freetown" in Brunswick
County along the line with Greensville southwest of Emporia. Freetown
seems to have disappeared by 1900 or so.

My primary interest is in the history of this larger community. Aside
from the surnames you mentioned as being common to the "Portuguese"
settlement, the other common community surnames were Jeffries, Stewart,
Guy, Jones, Pompey, Dungee, Heathcock and a few others. While these
surnames tend to be concentrated on one side of the border or another as
a result of land ownership, it is pretty clear that it was one large
settlement. The Heathcocks and Stewarts lived on both sides of the
border from its earliest days, a number of the Scotts married up in
Greensville County, and there are scattered references in Northampton
records to people who lived mainly on the Virginia side.

FYI: at one time there was a "Portuguese" school in Greensville County
for the handful of "Portuguese" families that lived there. It was
called Diamond Grove school, and appears to have been a former black
school that was turned overto the Portuguese for schooling. I do not
know how long it operated.

2. Turner is not necessarily a Nottoway name, although it is commonly
thought to be, and there certainly were Nottoway who carried the
surname. It does not occur among the Nottoway until a fairly late date,
however, and as you know it was a very common name in the area among all
groups, with several prominnet Turner families living in Greensville
just across the state line.

I have a deposition from a 19th century court case in Indiana pertaining
to a Mary Turner who was born in 1810 in Northampton County near Gaston,
just along the Greensville line in which she is described as mixed
Indian and white and to have descended from "an old Indian settlement in
the neighborhood". The Meherrin were not in that area after about 1680,
and the Nottoway never were there in historic times, except for raiding
parties. Any settlement referred to must have been Saponi, or a related
community, as the Saponi occupied that area after the Treaties of Middle
Plantation.

Of course it is possible that Mary Turner's father (said to have been
white) passed the Turner name to her, but in fact she appears to have
been illegitimate, and Turner was probably her mother's name. But I
think it is also possible that the Turner name moves east into the
Nottoway from the Greensville/Northampton area.

That is exactly what happend with another surname, Dungee or Dungill,
which is only found in Brunswick at an early date (1730's) but by 1800
almost had disappeared from Brunswick and Greensville through
emigration, but was increasingly common among some of the Powhatan
communities in Eastern Virginia (particularly the Pamunky, among whom
the Dungees intermarried). Ditto for the Stewart surname, which is one
of the common surnames among Eastern Virginia's Indians today, but which
did not enter those communities until about 1850, again probably from
the Greensville/Northampton area.

Please comment, as you have obviously looked at this long and hard.

3. The Poythress line is an interesting one and I know little about
it. I know the names of the Hardiman, Odom and John Poythress, but
little else. And of course I know that it was a fairly common and
sometimes prominent surname in certain Virginia counties. I have the
same impression as you do of the Poythresses who were in the Indian
trade, i.e., that they probably had Indian wives as well as proper white
wives back home.

But to give you another possibility, one of the mixed people from the
Greensville side, Charles Whitmore (born about 1765), who was
illegitimate and who appears to have had an Indian father and a white
mother, and not the other way around. It is possible that the Indian
ancestry among the Poythresses in Northampton comes in that way. I have
been told that the "Portuguese" Poythresses all descend from the three
brothers you mentioned. Is that true? Do you have any idea as to their
parents?

4. I would very much like to figure out the early Scott families in the
area. Some of them moved to Sumter County South Carolina about the time
of the Revolution, and I have several depositions on them, and on a
family of Cornetts (also from Northampton) who moved with them, that
were filed in South Carolina attesting to their Indian ancestry. These
depositions date from the late 1700s to about 1860. But I have not
found enough information on any of the Scotts to be able to put them
together with their relatives and ancestors in Northampton into a single
family grouping. It seems obvious that the Scotts who moved to Sumter
were related to those who remained behind, but how they are related I do
not know yet.

(I believe, by the way, that the Scott family is another likely to have
Saponi ancestry. The surname was one of the most common among the
Catawba at a very early date, and the Saponi and Catawba were closely
related politically and communally during the 18th century. It seems
likely to have passed into the Saponi community in Brunswick from the
Catawba, although it is always possible that it comes in through a
different route.)

5. Another family of interest to me is that of the Heathcocks. They
lived on both sides of the border, and at one time Heathcock was among
the most common surnames among these people. A sizeable number of the
Heathcocks served during the Revolution (ditto the Scotts, as you
probably know), and all of them, as far as I can tell, on both sides of
the stateline, emigrated after the War. By 1850, I think there was only
one Heathcock family in the immediate area (Roland Heathcock) living in
Greensville County. (But there were probably still one or two still
living in Southampton County, Virginia as well.)

You might find it interesting that there were some Heathcocks living in
parts of the Deep South a hundred years later, including some who
married among the Creeks in Alabama, who were still explaining their
background as "Portuguese". That is one of several reasons that you can
argue the "Portuguese" designation for your ancestors is quite a bit
older than the stories one hears (stonemasons in the 1820's, etc.).

The Heathcock family tree has been researched extensively by the late
Douglas Hathcock, but I think there is still more to be learned,
particularly in Northampton. For instance, Edward Heathcock, the
original Heathcock on the Northampton side of the line, owned
considerable land by the 1740s, but there is not record of a land patent
or purchase by him. The record might be lost, of course, but another
possibility is that he inherited through his wife. A study of land
patents in the area might turn up the name of the original owner, and
perhaps the surname of Edward Heathcock's wife, which at present remains
unknown.

The Heathcocks lived near Gaston along a creek called Arthur's creek in
the 18th century. I have not been able to place this creek with any
precision, and if you happen to know the modern name, I would appreciate
your telling me. A probable brother named Joseph Heathcock owned
considerable land just across the border in Brunswick.

6. Newsom is another name with which I am familiar, but which I have
never researched to any extent. Likewise Artis and some of the other
names that used to be common on the Northampton side of the border. I
have assumed that these names have some connection to the Nottoway, as
they appear to come down from Southampton County, but in that I could
easily be wrong.

7. Bass, of course, is traceable to the Nansemond, as I am sure you
know, although the Basses in Northampton cannot have had much Nansemond
ancestry by 1800. Also, my recollection is that most of the Basses
lived in other parts of the county, and not in the area of the
Portuguese settlement. So as a family grouping they were not really a
part of the Portuguese settlement, except for those who married into the
community. But I could be wrong there, too. Matthews is a name I have
never figured out. It is found after about 1800 in Mecklenberg County
Virginia, and possibly earlier, among free colored people who appear to
be of Indian descent. More than that I do not know, however.

Have you seen the 1958 newspaper articles on the "Portuguese" community?
I suppose you have copies of the legislation that officially designated
the community as Portuguese?

Let me know your different lines to see if I have anything that can be
of help to you. How does James Poythress link to Hardiman, John, and
Odom? I could list a number of other surnames of interest to me, in
addition to those mentioned above. They include Hawkins, Toodle or
Tootle, Norton, Lane, Dole or Doles, Peters or Peterson or Patterson,
Hawley, Corbin, Burt, Norton, and a few others.

If there is any common interest here, I will be happy to show you
anything that I have.

Sorry to be so windy, and thank you again for your response.

David Sciacchitano

Jean Spille wrote:
>
> David,
> I just sent that last message by mistake. It doesn't have dates,
> because I haven't taken the time to look them up. I will do so at a
> later time. Maybe some of this will help. My grandfather was born
> around 1860 and his father around 1845. James Poythress born around
> 1800...these are all approximate, off the top of my head but I have
> primary source information
>
> Jean

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List of MinistersThis is a posting from the Mecklenburg VA website and there are two ministers
connected with Poythress marriages listed. Note James McAden, Methodist
Episcopal and John Lloyd, Unknown denomination.

Sharing some info compiled while searching for ancestors in

>Charlotte/Mecklenburg. Some names appear more than once. The list below

>certainly does NOT contain the names of all who preached and/or served

>churches in these two counties. Perhaps subscribers will add additional

>names and denominations.

>

>Baptist

>Edward Baptist; Abner W. Clopton; Elisha Collins; William Creath; Richard

>Dabbs; Thomas H. Facer; William T. Gilliam; John B. Hardwick; Micajah

>Harris; Samuel Harris; Henry Lester; Samuel G. Mason; James D.

>McAllister; David McCargo; John Muckleroy; Joseph Murphy; William Murphy;

>George Petty; William Richards; Elijah W. Roach; William Rowton; Josiah

>Rucks; Silas Shelburne; Bernard Todd; John Weatherford; John Williams

>

>Disciples of Christ

>John Chappell; James Elmore; William Fears; James O'Kelly

>

>Episcopalian

>Devereux Jarrett; Thomas Johnston; Lyman B. Wharton

>

>Methodist

>Edward Almond; Francis Asbury; Philip Cox; Obadiah Edge; John Fennell;

>Devereux Jarrett; Thomas E. Peck; James A. Riddick; William Spencer;

>Burwell Tucker; Robert Williams; Joshua Worley

>

>Methodist Episcopal

>Edward O. Almond; Robert E. Bouldin; Joseph D. Crawley; John Fennell;

>John W. Howard; Thomas L. Hoyle; James McAden; J. Powers; John D.

>Southall

>

>Methodist Protestant

>Allen S. Fleshman; Joshua C. Tinsley

>

>Republican Methodist

>James Almond; Samuel Armistead; John Chappell; John Davidson; Thomas

>Gaines; Josiah Jackson; Matthew Jackson; John E. Jeter; Henderson Lee;

>James O'Kelly; Clement Read; John Robinson

>

>Presbyterian

>Archibald Alexander; Henry C. Alexander; James W. Alexander; James

>Anderson; Samuel Armistead; John Blair; Hugh A. Brown; John Brown; Hugh

>Carlisle; Isaac Cockran; Samuel Davis; Warren Dutton; Andrew Hart; Robert

>Henry; Thomas P. Hunt; William Irwin; Matthew L. Lacey; Drury Lacy;

>Henderson Lee; Nash LeGrand; William Mahon; Rev. _ McEwen; John McLean;

>George D. McQueen; James B. Mitchell; John A. Moore; J. D. Paxton;

>Clement Read; David Rice; John Holt Rice; William Robinson; William

>Ruffner; John B. Shearer; John Blair Smith; Samuel Stanhope Smith; Edward

>P. Terhune; Caleb Wallace

>

>Unknown Denomination

>Alfred Apple; Ezekial Blanch; Sterling W. Fowler; James Garden; Thomas

>Green; Joseph Jenkins; Thomas Johnson; John Lloyd; Alexander Martin; John

>E. Montague; William Steel

>

>BPW

01/05/1999 11:38:32
Mecklenburg List - MinistersCharles NealLyn (& others who may find it interesting),

BPW & I had seen this at the same place, so I'll jump in & answer your
question since I have the original message printed out in front of me. The
Mecklenburg County's Rootsweb-List mailing address is:
VAMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com

I get it in digest form, rather than 1 message at a time, and this message
was in Digest V99 #2, I think, and it was sent on 1-4-99. One follow-up
message gave the addition of 1 more minister: Presbyterian minister Samuel
Lyle Graham who preached in Mecklenburg & Granville Co, NC in the early
1800s. Both messages were captioned "Ministers & Denominations of
Charlotte and Mecklenburg Counties."

For those who do not already subscribe to that list, it may be neccessary
to join the list in order to access the archived messages, but I'm not
sure about that.

If one wants to join the list, it is done by sending a message that just
says in its body: subscribe

To subscribe to it one-message-at-a-time, send the message to:
VAMECKLE-L-request@rootsweb.com
Or to subscribe in digest form, send the message to:
VAMECKLE-D-request@rootsweb.com

The Mecklenburg List doesn't get as many messages as the VA-Southside List
does, by the way.
BPN		01/06/1999 2:26:39
Portuguese SettlementCharles Neal1-6-99

Jean, thanks so much for forwarding the copy of David Sciacchitano's
informative historical message about the Portuguese settlement.

Re: "Have you seen the 1958 newspaper articles on the "Portuguese"
community? I suppose you have copies of the legislation that officially
designated the community as Portuguese?"

I have not seen the articles or the legislation, and would be interested in
seeing copies of both. Are they by any chance on the web for looking at?
Or could I send you, David, a self-addressed stamped envelope and money to
cover photocopying me copies of them?

Re: "How does James Poythress link to Hardiman, John, and Odom?"

That is a question I've had, too. Jean, do you have anything that
definitively shows a link between James & H, J, & O? If so, I'd appreciate
being cut in on that part, too.

Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		01/06/1999 2:26:42
Re: List of MinistersBarbara, thanks for this list. You write that this is "from the
Mecklenburg VA website". Please what is the URL for the specific web
page that contains this? Starting from
I have been so far unable
to locate the page.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Poythress - Heathcock/HathcockJean SpilleI thought ya'll would be interested in some further communication I have
had about the Poythress, indian, portuguese thing (for lack of a better
term). If you look at the Poythress website you will see some estate
papers of John Poythress in which the name Hathcock/Heathcock is
listed. That is one of the surnames David is focusing on.

What counties are you planning to research, and what surnames are you
going to focus on?

One of the counties you should look at is Southampton, if you have not
already done so. Most of their old records are in Richmond, but it used
to be that you could only look at them if you first had the personal
approval of the County Clerk. For that, you have to visit him
personally in Courtland. Now, that is not a terrible drive, and there
are some holdings in the courthouse that may not be in Richmond. You
can check to see if permission is still required when you are in
Richmond.

David writes:
The Poythress name is found in Southampton (and earlier in Isle of
Wight), but several other counties too. I should think that with the
work of other Poythresses, you might be able to narrow things down a
bit. There is definitely a connection between the free colored
communities in Southampton and the Portuguese settlement -- for
instance, the Edmund Heathcock whose name was in the record you sent to
me was John Edmund Heathcock, who lived in Southampton and served in the
Revolution from that County, moving to Northampton County after the
War. I believe he is the son or grandson of the original Edward
Heathcock in the area, was born in Northampton, moved to Southampton
before the War, and then returned to Northampton, where he lived on or
very near the land previously owned by Edward Heathcock, and next to or
near to the other Heathcock in the record you sent to me, Newman
Heathcock.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hathcock/Heathcock is an early Saponi Indian surname. Remember Fort
Christiana and the Saponi Settlement?

Jean Poythress

01/07/1999 4:27:59
Re: Poythress - Heathcock/Hathcock - jean boo boosJean SpilleI tell you what, after a day with middle schoolers, I don't function
well. That last posting I made was a mess...rather than forwarding, I
cut and paste and it can't tell what I am saying and what he is saying.
So Here goes again

David writes:

"What counties are you planning to research, and what surnames are you
going to focus on?

One of the counties you should look at is Southampton, if you have not
already done so. Most of their old records are in Richmond, but it used
to be that you could only look at them if you first had the personal
approval of the County Clerk. For that, you have to visit him
personally in Courtland. Now, that is not a terrible drive, and there
are some holdings in the courthouse that may not be in Richmond. You
can check to see if permission is still required when you are in
Richmond.

David writes:
The Poythress name is found in Southampton (and earlier in Isle of
Wight), but several other counties too. I should think that with the
work of other Poythresses, you might be able to narrow things down a
bit. There is definitely a connection between the free colored
communities in Southampton and the Portuguese settlement -- for
instance, the Edmund Heathcock whose name was in the record you sent to
me was John Edmund Heathcock, who lived in Southampton and served in the
Revolution from that County, moving to Northampton County after the
War. I believe he is the son or grandson of the original Edward
Heathcock in the area, was born in Northampton, moved to Southampton
before the War, and then returned to Northampton, where he lived on or
very near the land previously owned by Edward Heathcock, and next to or
near to the other Heathcock in the record you sent to me, Newman
Heathcock.What counties are you planning to research, and what surnames
are you
going to focus on?

One of the counties you should look at is Southampton, if you have not
already done so. Most of their old records are in Richmond, but it used
to be that you could only look at them if you first had the personal
approval of the County Clerk. For that, you have to visit him
personally in Courtland. Now, that is not a terrible drive, and there
are some holdings in the courthouse that may not be in Richmond. You
can check to see if permission is still required when you are in
Richmond.

David writes:
The Poythress name is found in Southampton (and earlier in Isle of
Wight), but several other counties too. I should think that with the
work of other Poythresses, you might be able to narrow things down a
bit. There is definitely a connection between the free colored
communities in Southampton and the Portuguese settlement -- for
instance, the Edmund Heathcock whose name was in the record you sent to
me was John Edmund Heathcock, who lived in Southampton and served in the
Revolution from that County, moving to Northampton County after the
War. I believe he is the son or grandson of the original Edward
Heathcock in the area, was born in Northampton, moved to Southampton
before the War, and then returned to Northampton, where he lived on or
very near the land previously owned by Edward Heathcock, and next to or
near to the other Heathcock in the record you sent to me, Newman
Heathcock.What counties are you planning to research, and what surnames
are you
going to focus on?

One of the counties you should look at is Southampton, if you have not
already done so. Most of their old records are in Richmond, but it used
to be that you could only look at them if you first had the personal
approval of the County Clerk. For that, you have to visit him
personally in Courtland. Now, that is not a terrible drive, and there
are some holdings in the courthouse that may not be in Richmond. You
can check to see if permission is still required when you are in
Richmond.
The Poythress name is found in Southampton (and earlier in Isle of
Wight), but several other counties too. I should think that with the
work of other Poythresses, you might be able to narrow things down a
bit. There is definitely a connection between the free colored
communities in Southampton and the Portuguese settlement -- for
instance, the Edmund Heathcock whose name was in the record you sent to
me was John Edmund Heathcock, who lived in Southampton and served in the
Revolution from that County, moving to Northampton County after the
War. I believe he is the son or grandson of the original Edward
Heathcock in the area, was born in Northampton, moved to Southampton
before the War, and then returned to Northampton, where he lived on or
very near the land previously owned by Edward Heathcock, and next to or
near to the other Heathcock in the record you sent to me, Newman
Heathcock."

Jean Poythress

01/07/1999 5:46:00
Poythress & SaponiJean SpilleOk, cousins...

I want to share with you some correspondence between another Northampton
researcher, Bill Kemp, and my "portuguese" source David. Remember from
one of my previous posts that we strongly believe that the Indian
connection of my line is Saponi. Here it is:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"
From: David Sciacchitano
To: William R. Kemp
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Saponi (Haliwa-Saponi)

>I hope the Occaneechi are okay, because that is the group I have been
>doing the research on. They are not, by the way, Occaneechi per se, but
>rather descend from the settlement in Northampton, Greensville, and
>Brunswick. Their community has been called "Little Texas" for as long
>as anyone can remember, and their nickname "Texans", sort of like the
>"Portuguese" name. (Also like the old name for the nearby Person County
>Indians, who were historically called "Cubans".) Years ago when we
>started doing our research it seemed fairly obvious that the logical
>Indian name for them was Saponi.
>
>BUT, and this is a big BUT, the community wanted to get state
>recognition, and to get this they had to have the recommendation of the
>North Carolina Indian Commission, which is dominated by Lumbee and, you
>guessed it, Haliwa Saponi. The Haliwa made clear that they would not be
>happy if anyone else called themselves Saponi, so the group originally
>christened itself Eno-Occaneechi, after two communities that lived in
>the area of modern Little Texas, and who were closely related to the
>Saponi.
>
>Of course, the Lumbees and Haliwa Saponi rejected the groups quest for
>recognition, and after a point, the Texans decided that they would call
>themselves what they wanted to, and renamed themselves Occaneechi Band
>of the Saponi Nation (I think they kept the Occaneechi in there to keep
>the change from being too abrupt - it wasn't my idea.)
>
>They have provable Indian ancestry through several lines, due in large
>part to a number of court cases filed by relatives in the Midwest in the
>19th century, and also to a 19th century petition filed by a group of
>Little Texans who migrated to Western North Carolina in the 1820s, and
>then after the Civil War asked the BIA for money to move them to Indian
>Terrigory. We also have a number of old records naming "Catawba" which
>is true in the sense that they descend from Indians (the Saponi and
>related tribes that were settled in Brunswick County) who were part of
>the Catawba confederation in the 18th century.
>
>The court cases and BIA records indicate the following families to which
>the Texans trace themselves were Indian: Jeffries, Guy, Lane, and
>Dole(s)m, all living between at least the late 1720s to the early 1800s
>in what is now Greensville County, or just across the border in the
>Gaston area. (Another surname mentioned in the court cases, Turner, is
>not ancestral to the Texas community as far as we can tell.)
>
>There are also a number of court cases, depositions, tax and census
>records naming other families as Indian, but where the genealogies are
>less clear, and where we either cannot put the family trees together
>with confidence, or where it is not possible to show the surnames are
>ancestral to Little Texas. These include Scott (court cases and
>depositions), Stewart (tax records), Jones (a court case and a
>midwestern county history), Pompey (same court case and county history),
>Dungee (Va. & Mich. census records, court records, old NC newspaper
>accounts), Sturdevant (Va. court case) and a few others. These surnames
>include almost all of the families in the old settlement (names like
>Poythress, Bass and others entered the settlement at a later date).
>
>By the way, the Occaneechi (Little Texas) just won a court case against
>the NC Indian Commission, the judge finding entirely in favor of the
>community against the Commission. We think the Commission will continue
>to deny recognition, however, which means the case will go to an Appeals
>Court.
>
>I am awfully windy tonight.
>
>Cheers.		01/08/1999 9:39:34
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is also a GA rootsweb list.

I am unsubscribing from all 3 of them, which is not a suggestion that there is
any slack anyone should think about picking up. I just haven't found anything
constructive in a long time on any of them.

Granted, my definition of "constructive" is unfairly narrow, meaning largely
that it contains either a P or a related family name. Also, the ratio of bozos
with political jokes and "calling the roll" renders the stupid things useless
until everybody on the list has painfully reposted all the surnames they are
researching.

I think I'll stay on the Screven and Mecklenburg County lists, not because
they have proven to be any particular bonanza but because they are quite short
and their focus implies a high percentage liklihood of finding meaningful
stuff with very little trouble.

I'm not especially "making a statement"....I may get bored & sign back
on; purpose of this e-mail is to let you all know I'm no longer monitoring
these boards.

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Meridian house addressesCharles Neal1-14-99

Dear Al Tims & anyone else interested,

Hope all is well with you and yours. It seems to me that you were the
person who had asked me a couple of years ago if I had any addresses for
houses in Meridian where folks in the James Speed Poythress line had lived.
If so, here is some info for you from the Soundex cards for the 1920 US
Population Census (the Soundex for that Census is micropublication M1570 by
the National Archives; the Poythress names below are in Reel 84 for
Mississippi):

Charles W. Poythress with kids Martha & Edward: 2807 9th Street,
Meridian: ED 47, sheet 17, line 72

James D. & Carrie Poythress with kids Rosa, James, Annie, Carl, Norbert,
Margaret, Willie May Trest (& her husb & son), and a housekeeper & a
boarder: 2611 St. Andrews [St? Ave?], Meridian, in Enumeration District
[abbreviated ED below] 54. They can apparently be found in that district on
sheet 1, beginning on line 82.

James Speed Poythress with kids Richard, Carl (& dtr-in-law Pearl), & Mary:
903 Boogg [or Boagg, or Bragg?] Ave, Meridian: ED 54, sheet 6, line 17

John T. & Grace Poythress with kids Helen G[race], Ruby, & Katherine: 920
Braxton [Av], Meridian: ED 54, sheet 10, line 67

Robert L. & Mamie Poythress with kids Robert, Wallace, Harold, & Evelyn
[and Evelyn's twin Eleanor should be on a 2nd card, but if so, the MS
Archives person missed it, when locating Poythress folks for me]: 902
Braxton Av, Meridian: ED 54, sheet 10, line 57 [obviously same page as
John T & Grace, above]

Best,
Barbara		01/14/1999 8:50:38
1870 CensusBud, you are right.....all but a few books (none ours) of the 1880 census got
burned up or water damaged or something; at any rate, they don't exist.

For 1870, check your stuff from Cathy because the page I have for
Screven 1870 looks awfully much like her handwriting.

Bud, I haven't yet plugged all this stuff into my new Family Tree software and
don't have access to it on my old Reunion software so I'm kinda flying blind
but I think Cathy's very first entry is the one you want:

Page 370
Dwelling # 705
Family # 640
Post office: Halcyondale

Poythress, John 49 Male White Farmer $500 $200 Born Ga.
, Maryan 47 Female K. H. (Keeps House). ditto
, William 19 Male White Farm Laborer ditto
, Henrietta 18 Female White "At home" ditto
, Viola 11 Female White ditto
ditto
, Charles 8 Male White ditto
ditto
, Lee 7 Male White ditto
ditto

If this is not the family, I don't know what to tell you because I think we
have a handle on the rest of the 1870 census:

1) Daniel, Laura, Hattie For sure that is Dan Willie, John Maner's brother.

2) Susan, Mary, Ruthy..........John Maner's sister? but since Susan is
64 years old maybe its more
likely she is
John White's sister. I seem
to remember
a Susan out of Meredith Jr.'s
first marriage

3) Rhody, Alice, Eda, William, Cullen. Widow and children of John
Maner.
(for sure)

4) William @39, Martha@28, Idella@12, Boston@10, William@8,
Warren@6, Robert@4. I guess maybe we don't have a handle on
all the rest. William is a stranger. Let's look at the dwelling numbers
for a clue:

Daniel is 875, Susan is 879, and Rhody is 883.....these are all right
there together as I would have guessed since they look to be John Maner P.'s
folks.....and maybe Susan at 64 is John Maner's aunt.

John (White?) P. is #640 and William is # 639, looks like next door which
would say to me they are likely from Meredith Jr.'s first marriage as sons of
Hester Wilder Mock.......assuming the birth dates let that happen okay?

How does that look to you?

Maynard		01/21/1999 10:18:28
Re: (no subject)Barbara.....I think the complete instructions are on the webpage which is:
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ ......in case thats not so I think you just
send a message to POYTHRESS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com....
you don't even have to sign it......the message should contain only one word:
"subscribe" (without the quotes). That should click it right on.

You should get a confirming message saying you're "on" and if you don't get
right back to me. If and/or when it does say you're "on" I'd suggest you
just send an e-mail to the address which is:

POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com ......introducing yourself
and just generally saying what your interest is. I'm sure you'll get some
welcoming replies from some of the more active members of the list.

Try that and I'll be looking for your message.

Best,

Maynard		01/22/1999 5:59:53
Re: copiesHi Cindy.... what I have a photocopy of is the Bolling Batte chart of "Early
Poythress Family in Virginia" which is 17 x 11 and I'll put you a copy in the
mail this week-end. Having that chart is almost a necessity when you're
trying to read that "text" of the Batte study that is on the
website. It covers SOME of the first 11 generations of 3 of Francis' 4
children.

Actually, I have about 50 or 60 three-ring binders full of other photocopied
pages out of texts referencing Poythresses in Virginia & Georgia and a little
stuff from other places.

The best place to start is to go to "the Swem index" which indexes all the
mentions of Poythress in Wm & Mary Quarterly since 1890 or thereabouts and
five or six other periodicals. If you're not familiar with the Swem index,
just let me know and I'll provide a complete description along with how to use
it. You'll find it in almost any library of any size along with the texts it
references and it's a snap to use.

I would also be happy to copy for you any specific stuff you need.

Cindy, it's perfectly okay to send your messages to the Poythress
list at: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com even when they are intended just
for me. You're very likely to get any of a couple of dozen people who will
jump on and give you answers that might be different from mine (and, more
importantly, maybe more correct ).

Besides, that tends to keep the ball in the air in terms of people on the list
staying interested and having the fun of making contributions. That would
really help to keep our listserver's heart pumping......many thanks.

Best to you,

Maynard		01/22/1999 6:12:41
Re: Poythress family searchRandy......you rascal.....and here I was thinking you were the "pro" all along
and that YOUR Batte chart would be turning yellow with age .

I'll mail it this weekend. Delighted to do so.

Maynard

01/22/1999 6:14:39
WelcomeHello, Teresa. Maynard copied us on your inquiry and I wanted to join
him in welcoming you to correspond with the Poythress List. I am a
twice-great-grandson of Thomas M. Poythress of Blacksridge, Mecklenburg
Co. and am aware of lots of descendants of Thomas in Mecklenburg and
Brunswick Counties. If you could share the name of your mother and
maternal grandparents, we may be able to connect you with our existing
research fairly easily.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Teresa WillisBelow received today. I will answer her and copy the group. Since we need
fresh faces, please make her welcome.

Thanks,

Maynard

Subj: Poythress family search
Date: 1/22/99 3:27:19 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: toot@jnent.com (Teresa Willis)
To: vkratliff@aol.com

I have just started a family search and my mother was a Poythress from
Brunswick Co. I found this e-mail address in the Suxxex co.link. I have
started like I said and I really don't know what I am doing. If you can
give me any info I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Toot@jnent.com		01/22/1999 9:50:40
[VAMECKLE-L] Mecklenburg PhotographsAnnette E WetzelPurchased today at a used book store a fascinating little book titled
"Land By the Roanoke, An Album of Mecklenburg County, Virginia,"
published in 1957 by the Roanoke Branch of the APVA. Full of photos of
early houses, stores, mills, towns and 'activities of life' in
Mecklenburg County. Wonderful to see photos of places my ancestors may
have viewed or visited. Recommend you look at it if your library has
access. Annette		01/22/1999 10:49:08
Re: Poythress family searchTeresa.......delighted to hear from you.

The Poythress crowd working genealogy on the listservers and the web and the
e-mails is large and sporadically active. And we have quite a number of them
new to genealogy so it's not like you are falling in among a bunch of
genealogy experts or computer whizes.

First, you may wish to visit the Poythress webpage and visit through all the
material already posted. I hope you will find it helpful and logically laid
out. The address is: http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ (yes, thats a "one"
after "www") ......our listmeister is Al Tims who runs the graduate
school of journalism and political science at the University of Minnesota.
Hence the address.

One item that may be of particular interest to you is the entry of a study by
R. Bolling Batte, an eminent but now deceased Virginia genealogist,
titled "Poythress Family in Early Virginia".....this contains the first 11
generations of some of the decendents of three of "the imigrant's"
four children. The imigrant (in genealogy speak) is THE guy who brought your
surname to the continent. In our case it is generally accepted that there was
only one immigrant, Francis Poythress who shows up in Charles City ca 1632.
The Batte study is quite interesting but reading it as pure "text" will drive
you crazy. It comes crystal clear when read with an accompanying 17 x 11
chart. The bad news is none of us has figured out how to get a copy of
anything that big to fit on a web page. The good news is that I have made a
blue million photocopies and am pleased to send one to anyone who wants to
send me a snail mail address. Just pop me an address and I'll mail you one
same day; no charge, it's my job around here.

Second, you may wish to join the listserver discussion group dedicated to
researching Poythress genealogy. Taking you at your word that you are brand
new to all this, a listserver is a group of people who "subscribe" to a list
where an e-mail sent to the "list" address (in our case the cc address above)
goes to everyone on the list. To subscribe to the list you simply address an
e-mail to POYTHRESS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com. The message should have only one
word in the body: "subscribe" (without the quotes). From then on any time
you send a message to the address POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
it will go to the couple of dozen folks or so who are on the list. Likewise
when anyone else in the group sends an e-mail to an individual or the group
you will get a copy. You'll even get a copy of your own messages because all
the computer "knows" is that you are on the list.

If and/or when you ever get tired, bored, mad, whatever....getting off the
list is as simple as sending the message again except saying
"unsubscribe".......but we certainly hope that doesn't happen.

Also, it's perfectly okay to just sign up for the list and never say a word if
you don't want to.....just read the "traffic". In computerese that's called
"lurking" without any evil conotation.....it's quite common. And you still
have the ability to jump in if or when you decide to say something or ask a
question.

As soon as you know you're signed on (you'll receive a confirming e-mail) you
might wish to just send an e-mail to the group saying who you are and what
your specific area of interest is. You may be sure that you will be most
welcome as Virginia folks have access to information that is miles away from
most of us......we stretch all over the place: California, Georgia, NC, KY,
MN, even Gloucester, England.

Don't be daunted by signing on. It won't take you long to get to know each of
us and it is a very friendly group.....all having in common some connection to
this weird name we drag around through life. In fact, when you do sign on,
you might expect several folks to send you a welcoming e-mail introducing
themselves.

I'll start with a typical one that I might say: that I am John M. (Maynard)
Poythress in Louisville, KY (originally Macon, GA) and that I decend from
Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County.....in a line that goes
(all Poythresses) from Thomas-Meredith, Sr.-Meredith, Jr.- John Maner-
Horace Cullen- John Maynard Sr.- John Maynard Jr.-John Maynard III-
John Dalton. My crowd drifted over into Mecklenburg County from where they
immigrated to Burke and Screven County, GA in the late
1700's. etc. etc. Specifically I'm looking for Thomas' father but of course
it's all a part of the giant chart that we'll all get put together someday so
I am really interested in all of them.

Rootsweb is a non-profit umbrella group that hosts most of the listserver
groups and furnishes the webpage for a nominal fee to the group. Another
thing that Rootsweb furnishes that you should check out is a "state"and
"county" page for each county where a "list manager" takes information and
posts it on that particular page. There is no charge to you for any of this.

For you I'd suggest going to the GenWeb Brunswick page and just look about.
The list manager for Brunswick is a neat lady named Carol Morrison who is one
of the best and most consciencious at "running" her list as well as posting
information that she digs out herself. It's likely there is a better county
page SOMEWHERE but I haven't found it. So in that respect you're in luck.

Where you are "out of luck" is that virtually all of the Poythress crowd at
one time or another was in Prince George County and General "Beast" Butler
boys of the Army of the Potomoc did a number on the courthouse......so it's a
long grind for us all and a challenge to find alternate records.

To get to the Brunswick County page:
1) http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html
2) scroll down about 3/4's of a page and click on "links to states"
You can either select "Virginia" off the list or click on it from a map
of the US.
3) Find the title "County Links", scroll to Brunswick which is one the first
one or two lines and click on it.
4) Your'e home......just click on whatever interests you, send Carol a
message or a question or just introduce yourself.....whatever you feel
like.

Teresa, I hope this will get you started and that all this information is more
than anyone ever needed or wanted to hear .

I'll speak for the group in saying we're all happy to have new members
(we have several with Poythress on the "maternal side" as do you) and
we'll look forward to hearing from you again.

Best,

Maynard		01/22/1999 11:07:33
Re: Teresa WillisBrandon Poythressnew email:

poythress@ratedg.com

thanks

brandon

01/23/1999 4:03:15
INFOBelow sounds interesting and I'll keep an eye out for the book.

Maynard

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Re: Cemetry List Hey, Bud, I really believe that crowd Debbie Freeman is after is your
bunch.....especially since I have never heard before or since....any of those
names in that North Newington Baptist Ch cemetery.

Specifically as you will see, Debbie is looking for the parents of Thomas
Boston Poythress and wife Julia Usher. I just draw a complete blank on them.
I never got a handle on Thomas Boston P. and Julia Usher in the first place,
let alone their parents.

You have anything that would help her? Thanks.

Maynard

01/23/1999 6:27:03
Batte ChartHi Barbara.....glad to hear from you again. Happy to send you a Batte Chart.
Delighted you have signed on to the list server. Don't be surprised if
somebody on the list calls you "LBD"......we already have at least two
Barbaras.......Barbara Poythress Neal is BPN and Barbara Poythress Wolfe is
sometimes BPW. And I seem to remember another one or two on here but I
killed that brain cell .

Maynard

01/23/1999 6:36:19
welcome aboardJean SpilleIt is always edifying to meet new Poythresses, if for no other reason
than to swap funny "last name" stories. Fortunately I grew up in
Hopewell, Va. were there is a street bearing our name. Folks there
always know how to spell it.
I spent the afternoon at the Virginia State library reading about the
early Poythresses who traded with Indians. Like the rest of you I get
really caught up in the story. I feel as if I am very close to some
sort of break through.

The personal papers that I was looking at are those of Jane Douglas
Summers Brown. She was a resident of Emporia Virginia and studied the
Indians of Southside Virginia.

The first mention of Poythress in her papers is this:

1634
Permission for the general settlement of the Appomattox Valley was
granted this year after a temporary camp for denses against the Indians
was set up in the vicinity of the falls of the Appomattox (Lutz, Pr.
George-Hopewell Story, p.28.

As I read further in her papers I found that Francis was in a prime
situation for trade with the Indians from the very beginning.

Francis received an early grant in Indian lands
1637
Francis Poythress, Chas. City Co. upon his own land ..W.of Baylyes
Creek.

He also commanded a fort called Fleets fort. Let me quote from Douglas
Brown's papers
Captain Henry fleet - "Fleets" forts

Born about 1600; died in 1660. Came to Va. around 1620, a cousin to Sir
Francis Wyatt. Sent up the Potomac in 1623 with Henry spelman to trade
with the Indians for corn. Captured by Indians; ransomed in 1627.

New patents on the upper James & Appomattox Rivers necessitated an
expediation to clear the area of hostile Indians which he commanded
assisted by Lieut. Francis Poythress. They drove ;the indians from the
Swift Creek Valley & Fleet & Poythress there erected a defensible place
or a for at the falls in Ettrick. The fort provided not only a measure
of safety for the new settlers moving up the Appomattos, but also
generated a trading post for the commencement of the fur trade with the
Appomattox Indians who had been driven into Dinwiddie and Chesterfield
Counties. The route of the fur trade from the falls of the Appomattoz
ran through Dinwiddie County to the lands of the Catawbas and
Cherokees.. Soon after Fleet returned to Maryland and settled in
Virginia's Northern Neck. There are some accounts that establish 1634
as the date when the defensible place at Fleets was established but a
more likely date is 1634. "

Francis sets the stage for our story from the onset.

Here is something Ms. Brown mentions that I have seen posted on this
list before. Please help me make connections here. I am far better at
seeing the big picture than making the small connections.

March 24, 1734
William Poythress patents 400 acs. described as being near Sapponni
Chappel, adjoining robert Bollings line.

Who are William's children, etc.?

For those new to the list let me tell you a little of my very
compelling story. I stem from the same Poythress all the rest of you
do, but my family did not move very far from Southside Virginia. At
some point, my ancestors married "indian" and crossed the color line.
>From that point on they became "people of color". In actually they were
for the most part "Indian". But they were discriminated against for
generations. Well up into the twentith century. O the tales I can
tell!

Jean Poythress		01/23/1999 6:39:23
Will of Edward GilesRuth O. KauffmanWould the person who posted the will of Edward Giles, Mecklenburg Co.Va
1818 (father of Patsey Elizabeth Giles who married Lewis Poythress)
please give me permission to post the will on the Mecklenburg Co. Va.
Web Page.? You gave me permission to post it on the Williamson Co.-TN
page and it was greatfully received.

Thank you.
Ruth O. Kauffman
kauffman@acnet.net		01/23/1999 7:08:03
Cemetry ListDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
Thanks for the list. I will add it to my collection. How do I find out
the names of T.B.'s parents? I think I found information on J. A. , so I'm
not really concerned with her line at this time. I will have to go back
and find Verna Mae's family as well, but for right now I'm trying to move
up the Poythress ladder. I found a list of Marriage records and found them
there.
So where do I go next?
I would appreciate whatever assistance you can give me.
Thanks,
Debbie

01/23/1999 7:42:38
Dinwiddie Co. POYTHRESS ??StarrHi everyone,
I recently purchased the VA Publick Claims booklet for Dinwiddie Co.
The index has Joshua, Mary and Peter (three entries for Peter, one each for
the other two). I figure most/all of you have this information already, but
if there is interest, I'll be happy to post to the list. Just let me know --
Maynard, Barbara? Linda

Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy
for RANKIN / ORR pictures
pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/photos.htm		01/23/1999 9:28:40
Re: GA - Poythress familyHi Debbie.....great to hear from you. I think we may be able to do you some
good.

First, we know you have the listserver address or you couldn't have sent your
e-mail.....and we hope you'll subscribe....its easy. Instructions are on the
Poythress webpage at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ .....and yes, that's a
"one" after www.

When you get on that Poythress webpage check that page and under "studies"
their is a line of Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County, VA spelled out in
fairly comprehensive detail. I'm going to make it about 10 to 1 that's your
line. If so, that will take you back to Thomas and the next link is the same
one I have been looking for. The good news is that it shouldn't be too far
from there to a known line that will hook to Francis. The bad news is the gap
is not easy to fill.....we have been working on it quite a while.

You will also note (also under "studies" as I recall) a Bolling Batte study of
the "Early Poythresses in Virginia". It's posted as "text" and it's a bear
to wrap your mind around in that form. I have an accompanying
17 x 11 "chart" which makes all that text come crystal clear. If you'd like
to send me your snail address I'll be pleased to mail you a copy. It shows 11
generations of some of Francis's 3 children. Unfortunately,
Mr. Batte never got around to Francis' four child (Francis also) and I think
that's our line. But anyway the chart does wonders for keeping a lot of
those folks in perspective. It has to be mailed since we haven't figured out
how to get 17 x 11 on a screen. I mail these out all the time
so its absolutely no problem and no charge, I do it for kicks.

Back to Thomas' line I'm going to do some guessing here. Notice that
Meredith, Jr. married twice. I am going to guess that you are descended from
the first wife (as is Bud Poythress, also in our listserver group). That wife
was the widow Hester Wilder Mock. I am descended from Meredith, Jr. by his
second wife, Susan R. Maner.
We may find that to not be true but that's my guess.

You probably already know this but I won't take the chance of omitting
it.....your g-grandparents Thomas Boston Poythress and Julia Usher are buried
in the church cemetery of the N. Newington Baptist Church, established in
1713. It's located about 2 miles N. E. of Newington.

I'm sending my "inventory" of this cemetery to you as an attachment in a
seperate e-mail because e-mails to a Rootsweb listserver can't handle
attachments.

You'll recognize others in this cemetery and I would be most hopeful that you
will be able to identify some of them for us. There are 8 or 10 Poythresses
in there (but not your grandparents unless I just missed them) and I don't
know a thing about any of them and have never heard
any of their given names in my research around northern Screven where Meredith
Jr.'s first children seemed to settle. When I copy you with this list I'll
copy Bud Poythress also and maybe he can shed some light for us. (No pun
intended but there is a Sheddie Poythress in this cemetery). Keep in mind
that my "inventory" only contains folks with the Poythress name so anyone else
in a related family wouldn't be on my inventory......and since I didn't take
the inventory myself I'm vulnerable to
the person who did in case he or she missed one or more Poythresses.

Debra, please get back to me (via the list server address) when you have had a
chance to look at those names and let me know what you think. Use the list
server so everybody will get a copy but it's perfectly okay to just start it
out to me....as in "hey, Maynard"....then the protocol is that anyone else who
has additional information, wants to comment or ask a question....will just
jump right in.

Thanks again for your e-mail and I am hoping very much that you will join the
listserver and get all the interesting information that is posted there.

Best,

John M. Poythress (Maynard)
[vkratliff@aol.com]

P. S. if anybody else wants a copy of this cemetery inventory I'll be happy to
send it to them.		01/23/1999 11:40:12
GA - Poythress familyDebra FreemanHello,
My name is Debbie Poythress. I'm looking for information from my paternal
side of the family whom I have never met. They are all from GA as far as I
know.
Father: John Robert Poythress
Grandparents: Thomas Ralph & Verna Mae Bryant
G-Grandpts: Thomas Boston & Julia Usher
I am new to the research and know some information about the early VA
family. Would like to find my branch and how it connects to Capt Francis,
if possible. Does anyone have a relation to me or know who I can contact
to find out?
Great to know my sister and I aren't the only Poythress' around. Keep up
the good work!
Thanks.

01/23/1999 12:47:34
Re: GA - Poythress familyCorrection to Batte chart on web page.

Jane, you are right.....make that death date for Susanna Peachy "1815" not
"1915". (Person # 211 13) I guess my eyes had glazed over by the time I
typed all the way to there).

Al, you'll have to change the page because I can't get at it.

Thanks,

Maynard		01/24/1999 8:37:50
Re: Cemetry ListHi Debbie and welcome to the group. It is always great to learn of another
cousin, no matter how distant.

I am from the Chatham/Effingham County, GA Poythress group whose roots are
stretched into Screven County and on back to Virginia. Maynard and I are
connected somewhere along about "half-third-cousins" or something like that.
We had the same g-g-grandfather but different g-g-grandmothers! However I
think Maynard came down from the "snooty rich" folks whereas I must have come
through from the "Po folks" bunch!

I grew up in the Savannah, GA area but in some sort of round about way, after
leaving GA back in February 1939, when I enlisted in the US Navy and lived in
VA, SC, VA again, MD, then back to GA and now with both my wife Merle Clark
Poythress (of Emanuel County, GA) and me totally retired in NC and here in
Wilmington. But I still have bunches of wonderful "kissing cousins" scattered
out all down thought out several counties in GA, and we even have a son and
daughter-in-law, who has gives us only '2' "grand-DAWGS" in Cumming, GA near
Atlanta. Guess it was the best they could do. But I try to get to Atlanta
every so often then I also try to make two Poythress Family Reuions each year
- the Chatham/Effingham County group (where most of my close kin are) held the
first weekend in May; and the Screven County group held the 3rd weekend in
August. Yep, can you imagine a weekend in GA in August? Sort of crazy, ain't
it?

Then we settled here because we have a daughter and son-in-law who have given
us 5 grandkids (first 2 boys, ages 31 and 26; then a granddaughter now 21;
followed by 2 more boys, ages 15 and 11)! All here in Wilmington except our
granddaughter who is a senior this year at UNC at Asheville, NC and will be
graduating in May. So they keep me busy.

Now, Thomas Boston Poythress - what do we know about him?

1) Thomas Boston Poythress, (b. 4/7/1860 & d. 5/13/1937) married
Julia Ann Usher, (b. 2/6/1873 & d. 6/24/1940) - both are buried in
the North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery, about 2 miles east of
Newington, GA on GA State Rt. #24.

Adjacent to their graves sites, are "2" small grave sites with
markers:
"Infant Son" - (b. 7/10/1902 & d. 7/21/1903)
"Infant Daughter" (b. 5/19/1904 & d. 2/12/1905)

I had not know of any other children born to this couple -- but
obviously there were, at least one, your grandfather Thomas Ralph
Poythress. Maybe you can fill us in on any other children they may have
had.

But, Thomas Boston's father was:

2) William E. Poythress - (b. 7/11/1833 in VA & d. 12/23/1907); married
Martha J. -?- - (b. 6/4/1841 & d. 1935) - both are buried in North
Newington Baptist Church Cemetery.

Their Children were:
1. Idella Poythress (b. 1/5/1859 & d. 1/26/1883)
2. Thomas Boston - see above
3. William E. Poythress, Jr.
4. John Warren - married on 1/11/1892 to Louisana Hortense
Lucas (b. 4/27/1870 & d. 9/19/1969)
5. Robert L. Poythress - (b. 1/2/1867 & d. 2/10/1935);
married in 1890 to Evalina D. Evans - (b. 4/28/1861 & d.
5/2/1946)
6. Gazzie H. Poythress - (b. 2/22/1879 & d. 2/4/1969);
married 1st - Louise Seckinger (of Effingham County) then
married 2nd - Beulah B. -?- - (b. 1/19/1896 & d. 2/6/1982). Gazzy &
Beulah both are buried at North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery.
7. Bessie Poythress - (b. 8/4/1886 & d. 2/6/1980); married a
"Falligant".
8. Willie Poythress - This listing is questionable?

Note: #5 above, Robert L. and Evalina D. Evans Poythress had "7 children."
Their 4 child was Robert L. Poythress, Jr. (b. 1890), and their 5th child was
Carl C. Poythress. We had lost tract of Robert L. Poythress, Jr. until about
a year ago when our website received a message from his grandson, named Robert
L. Poythress also. The young grandson, living in California was inquiring
about Poythress family history in Screven County, GA. He informed us that his
late grandfather had migrated west and settled in California in about 1930.
Marynard and I both send young Robert all the data we had on his grandfathers
family but we must have overwhelmed young Robert for I haven't heard a single
word form him since.

Then the #5 child, Carl C. and Beatrice E. Poythress remained in Newington and
Screven County. They are buried in the Newington Baptist Church Cemetery in
Newington proper. Their graves were the only '2' Poythresses buried there so
far as I could find. They had only one child, Carl E. Poythress, Jr. who now
I would guess is about 65 years of age. I've never met young Carl personally,
but I did write to him twice about a year ago trying to learn more about his
father. But received no response until sometimes later, he called and
apologized saying "I'm no letter writer." Of course, that I'd already
deducted as much. But we had a very interesting conversation, but Carl was not
particularly interested in genealogy at this time. However, if you are
interested in contacting Carl he can be reached at: 511 Demier Loop,
Wilmington Island, Savannah, GA 31410 and his phone # is (AC 912) 897-1473.

Carl Sr. and my dad, Joseph E. Poythress, Sr., always said they were cousins,
but I've never been able to connect them together. They were about the same
age, and my dad ran a country store at what was knows as "the place on the
county line." His store, was in Chatham County but right on the Effingham
County line (hense the reference), and during prohibition his best selling
commodity was, shall we say "a little of the spirits, in nature" rather than
moonshine! But it was really good stuff, such that I'm sure the makers of old
Jack Daniels would have been down right envious. Then later when prohibition
went out in the mid 1930s, Chatham County was one of the very first counties
in Georgia to go WET whereas Effingham County and adjoining Screven both
remained dry, and even to this day! And when those good country folks of
Screven would travel to and from Savannah, and had to pass right in front of
my dad's store, they would always seems to find reason enough to stop and "wet
my whistle" or "wash the dust from my throat," or some such excuse they would
give. The "dear prim and proper ladies" did their thing, too! Those days
did have some down side, but there were up sides too!

Back to the subject: William E. Poythress, has been shown in various records
as "born in 1833, 1831 and 1829. However, Muster roll of 1st Comapny "B" 25th
Regiment, GA Vol., CSA, Screven County, Ga. list William E. Poythress,
Private, August 10, 1861, - Pension records show he was in Augusta, Ga.
hospital in 1865 (Born in Georgia 1829).

But his birth date and his "date of death as December 23, 1907" are the dates
shown on his grave marker and was the dates I chose to use thinking they were
the most likely to be correct.

That's about all the damage I'd better try do today, causes after all, it's
Sunday! I hope I have been somewhat helpful to you with your research.
Please stay in touch.

In the main time, take care and our best to the family.

Bud		01/24/1999 9:37:48
Re: Cemetry ListCharles NealBud,

Thank you so much for all the wonderful info!

BPN

01/24/1999 11:22:07
Re: GA - Poythress familyCharles NealMaynard,

Would you please send me a copy of the N. Newington [GA] Bapt Church
cemetery inventory of Poythress folks that you mentioned in your Jan 23
message? (If I already have it somewhere, it sure is eluding me.)

Thanks so much.
Barbara (BPN)		01/24/1999 11:22:12
GA - Poythress familyCharles NealDebbie,

Welcome aboard! Glad that Maynard & Bud have already been able to steer
you to some helpful info. Since I was out of town when you first hooked
onto the list, it was great this evening (when we returned to Los Angeles &
I checked my week's worth of email) to see so much thru their answers re
your connection at the same time that I saw your questions.

I always enjoy hearing of more Poythress connections, too. Glad to have you
with us, and to learn of more of the family.

Barbara Poythress Neal
(BPN)

01/24/1999 11:22:16
War of 1812Charles NealHi Folks,

Helene Pockrus (who no longer subscribes to our Poythress-List, but keeps
her eyes out for our Poythress folks) located the below info for us, when
trying a free-for-one-month Internet listing of transcribed War of 1812
participants. I think the listing is from Ancestry.com though I could be
mistaken. I am grouping them into what appears to me to be logical
possibilities that we really are dealing with only 3 men, rather than 8 of
them, due to different spellings of the what could be the same names. This
list of 1812 participants is a good reminder for us to try a variety of
possible spellings when checking any indexes, whether online ones or
printed ones.
:-))
BPN
> > >
HARDEMAN PAYTHRESS
2 REGIMENT (THOMAS'), GEORGIA
HARDEMAN PORTRESS
2 REG'T (THOMAS'), GEORGIA
MILITIA.

WILLIE PORTRESS
62 REG'T (SELDEN'S) VIRGINIA
MILITIA.
WILEY POYTHRESS
4 REGIMENT VIRGINIA MILITIA.
WILIE POYTHRESS
62 REG'T (SELDEN'S) VIRGINIA
MILITIA.
WILLIE POYTHRESS
1 REG'T (ALLEN'S) VIRGINIA
MILITIA.

PATRICK H. POYTHRESS
83 REG'T (SCOTT'S) VIRGINIA
MILITIA.
PETER POYTHRESS
83 REG'T (SCOTT'S) VIRGINIA
MILITIA.		01/24/1999 11:22:18
IndiansCharles NealJean,

Appreciate sharing in the info you found at LVA & glad to know about the
manuscript's mention of Francis Poythress.

I was curious from your message, whether the below birth-info-paragraph
indeed referred to Capt Henry Fleet, as I think it did, or was it possibly
about Francis P?

>
Francis received an early grant in Indian lands
1637
Francis Poythress, Chas. City Co. upon his own land ..W.of Baylyes
Creek.

He also commanded a fort called Fleets fort. Let me quote from Douglas
Brown's papers
Captain Henry fleet - "Fleets" forts
Born about 1600; died in 1660. Came to Va. around 1620, a cousin to Sir
Francis Wyatt. Sent up the Potomac in 1623 with Henry spelman to trade
with the Indians for corn. Captured by Indians; ransomed in 1627.
<

Thanks again for the find of the Brown papers!
BPN		01/24/1999 11:22:20
Dinwiddie Co. POYTHRESS ??Charles NealLinda,

Sorry for the delay in my response. That would be valuable info to post,
since we have some new subscribers who may not have seen that type of info
before. Thanks for the offer. Hope all is well with you & yours; all is
well here.

BPN

01/25/1999 4:45:22
1870 Census Screven GACharles NealMaynard,

When you posted the info about the 1870 Screven Census household (which
I've copied below), the word "ditto" spaced out at funny places so that I
couldn't tell for everyone in the household just what was being dittoed.
So my questions are:

1) Did you mean that all the residents of the house were born in GA?

2) What did the 2nd "ditto" for each of the youngest 3 kids refer to --
being "at home"? or something else?

Thanks for any clarifying info you can give us.
BPN

>1870 Census Screven County, GA
Page 370
Dwelling # 705
Family # 640
Post office: Halcyondale

Poythress, John 49 Male White Farmer $500 $200 Born Ga.
", Maryan 47 Female K. H. (Keeps House). ditto
", William 19 Male White Farm Laborer ditto
", Henrietta 18 Female White "At home" ditto
", Viola 11 Female White ditto ditto
", Charles 8 Male White ditto ditto
", Lee 7 Male White ditto ditto
<		01/25/1999 4:45:27
WelcomeTo Debbie, Teresa, and Barbara,
Welcome to our Poythress group of researchers! I am Barbara Poythress Wolfe
and trace my line back to Mecklenburg Co. VA through North Carolina and into
Florida. And speaking for all of us, do let us know how we can help you with
specific or general information. Delighted we have connected with you all!
Barbara (BPW)

01/25/1999 6:28:46
Re: PoythressCharles NealTeresa & Tina,

Welcome aboard; it is great to have both of you. We can all benefit from
having some input of your questions and observations, from both of you.
Thus, I do hope that you'll just address the whole List, so we can all help
each other better.

I'd sure be interested in knowing, Teresa, which cemetery you visited &
what Poythress grave you found. Where was the cemetery?

As Maynard mentioned, any Poythress info from any cemetery is of great
interest to all of us.

>I have started cheking tombstones in this area. Finished one, and only
found one Poythress there. I will be doning my family cemetary next and I
believe we have one that is on personal proterty that I can get to.<

Again, welcome!
Barbara (BPN)

01/25/1999 6:33:45
Re: 1870 Census Screven GACharles NealMaynard,

Thanks for clarifying
BPN

>Yes, all the dittos meant "at home" in that category and all the dittos in
next column mean "born GA" in the next column. I keep forgetting that
what looks normal on an AOL screen is often funky at the receiving end.<

01/25/1999 6:53:38
GA - Poythress'Debra FreemanHey Maynard,
I have two pictures in my possession. One is the gravestone of Thomas
Boston & the other is for Thomas Ralph. Both are buried in North Newington
Cemetery - this information was given to me by my Uncle William Poythress,
back in 1981. He took the pictures in '79, I gather. I don't know of any
of T. Ralph's brothers or sisters.
But I do know T. Boston and Julia were married 1895 - thanks to Helene
Pockrus 10-98's listing of marriage records.
T. Ralph was born in 1897 died 1946. He and Verna Mae and 6 boys: Dallas,
Travis, Robert, William, John, & Julian (I recall)
and 2 girls - Joanne b:1936 d:1937 (she's buried with her parents)
and Celestine. All that's left that I know is William, John and Julian.
I have information on Julia Usher's line - I think it's her anyways, the
dates line up. I can't remember where I found that. I just saw the name
and figured it had to be her.
I got lots of information from Bud. Thank you so much, Bud!
Now I have to see where this takes me. Thanks for all the help. I really
appreciate!
Debbie		01/25/1999 7:10:38
GA - Poythress'Charles NealDebbie,

Thanks for putting together the further info on Thos Boston Poythress!

BPN

01/25/1999 7:19:46
RE: Epes/Hardeman/PoythressLou PooleMaynard, where can I get me one of those gold-bordered non-decendancy
certificates for Pocahontas?

I did want to add my two-bits worth on the Epes-Hardiman-Poythress
thing, though. I think it's pretty well accepted (at least I accept
it) that Mary Epes, daughter of Francis, married John Hardyman. From
Dorman's "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I...", p. 124:

"Mary Epes, born about 1666, married (1) John Hardyman. On 1 August
1685, on the petition of 'Jno. Hardiman who marryed Mary, one of the
Orphs of Coll. Fra: Epes, dec'd,' it was ordered Mr. Francis Epes,
late guardian of Mary, deliver her estate to John Hardyman.'" [This
record is from Henrico Co. Order Bk. 1678-93, p. 192]

The case for the Hardyman-Poythress one is a bit more circumstantial,
but still compelling in my view, when you consider all the evidence.
In any case Mr. Dorman in the same source, p. 205, says:

"The will of Littlebury Hardyman mentions sisters but surviving
records do not identify the daughters born to John and Mary (Epes)
Hardyman. The use of both names Littlebury and Hardyman in the family
of Mary, wife first of John Poythress and then of John Abbington and
in the Irby family of Charles City County, of the name Littlebury in
the family of Joshua Poythress, and of the given name Henrietta Maria
in the Irby family of Amelia County suggests that these families may
have Epes-Hardyman descent, most likely as descendants of Mary (Epes)
Hardyman Goodrich."

If one studies the records of Flowerdew Hundred, which Joshua
Poythress acquired from the heirs of John Hardyman, there is some
pretty good circumstantial evidence that Joshua Poythress was related
to the Hardyman family. It's all circumstantial, but in this
"business," sometimes that's as good as we get. It would certainly be
interesting to prove, or disprove, this theory.

Lou

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Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 3:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Epes/Hardeman/Poythress

Tina, hey, you have a pretty darn good memory.....

1) Francis Poythress was indeed "the immigrant" and he shows up in
Charles
City, VA ca 1632. Despite what you will see all over the boards, we
think he
was baptised in 1609 in Newent, Gloucestershire (we have a copy of the
record... or "a" record). He marries Mary (Sloman?) in VA and has
four
children: Jane, Thomas, John, & Francis.

2) Jane (alledgedly) marries Thomas Rolfe, son of Pocahontas and John
Rolfe.
They have one child, a girl they name Jane. Jane "Jr." marries Robert
Bolling, they have six children.....thereby enabling half of America
to claim
descendancy from Pocahontas.....and sometimes it seems that about a
quarter of
them do......with gilt edged certificates in exchange for a 25 buck
"certification", etc. Some legit people are in that biz I'm sure but
far and
away most of them strike me as phoneys.

3) That set of circumstances enables a marvelously unique positon for
Poythresses. Since Jane #1 (genealogically speaking) "married away"
the name,
Poythress is the only name in the whole universe one can have and
positively
NOT be descended from Pocahontas. When I hang my name out on the 'net
the
"societies" come out of the woodwork and I promptly ask for a
discounted
certificate of non-decendency. Those folks then show that they don't
have
much of a sense of humor.

4) When Francis Poythress dies his widow, Mary (Sloman?) marries Capt.
Robert
Wynne, a fairly well known and recorded "gentlmn" of VA colonial
history.
For the next two generations following this marriage Wynne sons with
the given
name of Sloman start showing up......which as far as I can tell is the
basis
for guessing Sloman to have been Mary's maiden name. Wynnes tell me
that
Sloman was a name that had not appeared in the Wynne family before.
That's
not much on which to make an argument for "Sloman" but it's more than
the
other candidate names seem to offer.

5) all of that is going on in what is then (or subseqently becomes)
Prince
George County, VA. General Beast Butler's boys of the Army of the
Potomoc
later did in the PG County courthouse so those records are very
difficult to
come by.

6) Given that Capt. Wynne is only tangentially of interest to me I
haven't
followed him all that closely but I do suspect him to be the one who
moved to
Burke County, Ga. and he may well be the progenitor of all those
Wynnes down
there but I don't know that.

Some Wynne lines show that he took two of Francis Poythress' sons (who
sometimes show up in Robert Wynne's Virginia paperwork as
"sons-in-law", a
common usage then for what we might now call a stepson). I find no
evidence
of that. Jane is accounted for by the marriage to Thomas Rolfe. Son
Thomas
is shipped back to England with some hint that he had a handicap of
some sort.
Remaining sons John & Francis become middling heavy hitters in
Virginia in
their own right and leave long lines of decendents. There is just no
Francis
progeny left to go to GA with Captain Wynne.

Also, somewhat debunking the theory is that I can find no Poythresses
in
Georgia before the late 1700's and believe me, if they had been there
it's 10
to 1 I would likely have found them. I am descended from Thomas
Poythress of
Brunswick County, VA who immigrated to Ga.
ca 1785 so I have scoured those Georgia records pretty good.

6) I'm on shaky ground here but I have been told that "Hardeman" or
"Hardiman" (or any of a half dozen variations) was a traditonal Epes
name. I
can't account for that but I will say there were several
Epes-Poythress
marriages and there are Hardeman Poythresses showing up as late as the
mid
1800's which suggests maybe even an additional later connection but I
have
found no evidence of that. In any event, we have at least a half
dozen
Hardeman Poythresses of one spelling or another.

7) There are at least four Epes/Poythress marriages in the next three
generations of Francis' family. These are shown on R. Bolling
Batte's
"Chart of Poythress Family in Virginia". The "text" that accompanies
that
chart is on the Poythress webpage (http://www1.minn.net/~atims/) under
the
category of "studies". The text is very difficult to follow but I
have the
original 17 x 11 hard copy chart photocopied and I'm pleased to mail a
copy to
those sending me a snail mail address. Would be delighted to send you
one
along with some notes I have prepared to go with it. The chart covers
many of
the first 11 generations of Francis' descendents and has a blue
million of
those VA names.....the early Poythress boys having had something of a
knack
for siring daughters.

8) if you have any questions or contributions I'm sure you'll meet
with some
hospitable folks by sending a message to the Poythress listserver
discussion
group. The address is POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com......and/or you can
subscribe
by sending "subscribe" to POYTHRESS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com.

Hope this helps you, Tina.

Best,

John M. Poythress (Maynard)

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The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		01/25/1999 7:26:54
Epes/Hardeman/PoythressTina, hey, you have a pretty darn good memory.....

1) Francis Poythress was indeed "the immigrant" and he shows up in Charles
City, VA ca 1632. Despite what you will see all over the boards, we think he
was baptised in 1609 in Newent, Gloucestershire (we have a copy of the
record... or "a" record). He marries Mary (Sloman?) in VA and has four
children: Jane, Thomas, John, & Francis.

2) Jane (alledgedly) marries Thomas Rolfe, son of Pocahontas and John Rolfe.
They have one child, a girl they name Jane. Jane "Jr." marries Robert
Bolling, they have six children.....thereby enabling half of America to claim
descendancy from Pocahontas.....and sometimes it seems that about a quarter of
them do......with gilt edged certificates in exchange for a 25 buck
"certification", etc. Some legit people are in that biz I'm sure but far and
away most of them strike me as phoneys.

3) That set of circumstances enables a marvelously unique positon for
Poythresses. Since Jane #1 (genealogically speaking) "married away" the name,
Poythress is the only name in the whole universe one can have and positively
NOT be descended from Pocahontas. When I hang my name out on the 'net the
"societies" come out of the woodwork and I promptly ask for a discounted
certificate of non-decendency. Those folks then show that they don't have
much of a sense of humor.

4) When Francis Poythress dies his widow, Mary (Sloman?) marries Capt. Robert
Wynne, a fairly well known and recorded "gentlmn" of VA colonial history.
For the next two generations following this marriage Wynne sons with the given
name of Sloman start showing up......which as far as I can tell is the basis
for guessing Sloman to have been Mary's maiden name. Wynnes tell me that
Sloman was a name that had not appeared in the Wynne family before. That's
not much on which to make an argument for "Sloman" but it's more than the
other candidate names seem to offer.

5) all of that is going on in what is then (or subseqently becomes) Prince
George County, VA. General Beast Butler's boys of the Army of the Potomoc
later did in the PG County courthouse so those records are very difficult to
come by.

6) Given that Capt. Wynne is only tangentially of interest to me I haven't
followed him all that closely but I do suspect him to be the one who moved to
Burke County, Ga. and he may well be the progenitor of all those Wynnes down
there but I don't know that.

Some Wynne lines show that he took two of Francis Poythress' sons (who
sometimes show up in Robert Wynne's Virginia paperwork as "sons-in-law", a
common usage then for what we might now call a stepson). I find no evidence
of that. Jane is accounted for by the marriage to Thomas Rolfe. Son Thomas
is shipped back to England with some hint that he had a handicap of some sort.
Remaining sons John & Francis become middling heavy hitters in Virginia in
their own right and leave long lines of decendents. There is just no Francis
progeny left to go to GA with Captain Wynne.

Also, somewhat debunking the theory is that I can find no Poythresses in
Georgia before the late 1700's and believe me, if they had been there it's 10
to 1 I would likely have found them. I am descended from Thomas Poythress of
Brunswick County, VA who immigrated to Ga.
ca 1785 so I have scoured those Georgia records pretty good.

6) I'm on shaky ground here but I have been told that "Hardeman" or
"Hardiman" (or any of a half dozen variations) was a traditonal Epes name. I
can't account for that but I will say there were several Epes-Poythress
marriages and there are Hardeman Poythresses showing up as late as the mid
1800's which suggests maybe even an additional later connection but I have
found no evidence of that. In any event, we have at least a half dozen
Hardeman Poythresses of one spelling or another.

7) There are at least four Epes/Poythress marriages in the next three
generations of Francis' family. These are shown on R. Bolling Batte's
"Chart of Poythress Family in Virginia". The "text" that accompanies that
chart is on the Poythress webpage (http://www1.minn.net/~atims/) under the
category of "studies". The text is very difficult to follow but I have the
original 17 x 11 hard copy chart photocopied and I'm pleased to mail a copy to
those sending me a snail mail address. Would be delighted to send you one
along with some notes I have prepared to go with it. The chart covers many of
the first 11 generations of Francis' descendents and has a blue million of
those VA names.....the early Poythress boys having had something of a knack
for siring daughters.

8) if you have any questions or contributions I'm sure you'll meet with some
hospitable folks by sending a message to the Poythress listserver discussion
group. The address is POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com......and/or you can subscribe
by sending "subscribe" to POYTHRESS-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com.

Hope this helps you, Tina.

Best,

John M. Poythress (Maynard)		01/25/1999 9:25:47
Re: PoythressTeresa, you said:
Subj: Poythress
Date: 1/25/99 1:42:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: toot@jnent.com (Teresa Willis)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com (John Maynard Poytress)

Maynard,

In your first letter to me you mentioned Thomas that you are trying to find
a father for. And is this Thomas likely Meridith's father? Thomas Poythress
born 1640 in Charles City buried in Brunswick Co.VA. If so do you have any
way of
knowing where he lived in brunswick and or where he was buried? And do you
know what year they drifted to Mekeinburg Co? My line moved from
Mecklenburg to Brunswick.

Secondly, I think one of my children deleted the file you sent me yesterday.
Could you please send that again, sorry.

And lastly in reference to a letter about the spelling Porthress and
Paytress, around here alot of people spelled it that way mistakenly.

I have started cheking tombstones in this area. Finished one, and only
found one Poythress there. I will be doning my family cemetary next and I
believe we have one that is on personal proterty that I can get to.

All For Now

Teresa
Toot@jnent

Teresa......I'm copying this to "the board" because I suspect several folks
will want to jump on this one.

Researching cemeteries.....GREAT work.....and as you get each cem. done would
you just post the inventory to the board "POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com". We're
working on quite a collection.

Re: Thomas Poythress father of Meredith Poythress, Sr. We're about a
century off
making that one work. Meredith Poythress, Sr. marries Elizabeth Cleaton in
Mecklenburg County in 1782. Using the "20 year rule" to guess at births and
first borns that would make "my" Thomas (whose father I want) b. 1740 or
thereabouts, not 1640.

So, are you saying or are you asking about a Thomas Poythress b. 1640 in
Charles City who is buried in (what is now?) Brunswick County? If you have
that guy with that date he is likely to be a major piece in the entire puzzle.
He could be the son (a known Thomas) of "the" immigrant Francis who arrives
Charles City ca 1632-33. We have the document whereby Francis "consigned" a
son Thomas to a Capt. somebody's custody to take him back to England. There
are strong hints that this Thomas later returned to Virginia.

Another question about a Thomas b. 1640 buried in Brunswick.....Brunswick was
formed in 1732......shouldn't I assume you to mean he is buried in what is NOW
Brunswick? And Mecklenburg was formed in 1765. Thirty three years apart is
not enough to confuse matters. I'm especially interested in a Poythress
"moving" from
Mecklenburg to Brunswick which would amount to "doubling back" east, not
exactly typical of immigration patterns. However, when we look at Lunenburg
carved out of
Brunswick and then Mecklenburg carved out of Lunenburg it strikes me as
entirely possible that some of these folks never actually moved. The ground
their house is on just keeps "changing counties".

And if you have a Thomas b. 1640 buried in what is now Brunswick that might
well be entirely logical also?

Back to my "later" Thomas and son Meredith, Sr. the records look to say they
moved from Mecklenburg straight to Georgia......even if Thomas himself is
called
"of Brunswick" in a place or two.

Tell me more, would you. You got me in a lather

Maynard

P. S. I'll send you those VA attachments in a seperate e-mail. Nothing going
to a
"rootsweb" address can have an attachment. I don't think they are being
snooty, I think it's just a technical problem to handle there millions of
pieces of mail and deal with attachments too.		01/25/1999 10:04:43
A new Poythress researcherTeresa WillisHello to all Poythress'

I am thrilled at all the responses I have recieved from all of you. Thanks
for the great welcome!!!
Maybe I can help so of you out there, being right her in Brunswick Co. VA.
If so let me know and I will try my best. I am new at this (computer and
all) so bare with me. Keep the information coming guys I love it.

Thanks again,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com

01/25/1999 12:47:37
POYTHRESSHi Teresa,

Glad to have you aboard. I have been working on the POYTHRESS Family Tree for
quite awhile now. I am doing this for my Aunt. And the more I look and get
information from other's this Family Tree is getting harder to find info on.

My mother is from Wilson, NC. Her father has Indian in him and like Jean
Poythress said there are some Indian tales out there. Not to pleasant! I like
to hear them but to me that is in the past.

You will see me once awhile responding but I like to see back and read. But
someday I hope that I will be able to give the Family Tree to my children one
day. So they will know about the ancestors. Very exciting adventure!

Take care All
CINDY

01/26/1999 2:48:38
Re: Poythress in BurkeMaynard,

I believe Lewis Poythress to be my gggg grandfather. I have him being born in
1775. Do you know if this is accurate? Assuming George to be Lewis' brother,
why would their father Thomas have left Lewis in Mecklenburg County? If Thomas
went to Georgia in the mid 1880's, and if Lewis was indeed born in 1775, Lewis
would have only been around ten. ??

Kevin N. Poythress		01/26/1999 3:05:56
Poythress in BurkeCharles NealMaynard,

I must have been asleep sometime or something: What are the sources for
you saying (copied below) that "George is cited as Thomas' son" & referring
to the George who moved to FL as having been that same George and as having
been a sheriff of Burke Co, GA ? Maybe I'm going brain-dead, but I just
don't remember that tidy a package for identifying a Thomas as father of
George and Lewis.

Would appreciate help.
BPN
> > >
>A Thomas Poythress comes to Burke County mid-1780's. He brings sons
George (for sure) because George is cited as Thomas' son. They are both
sheriffs of Burke County ca 1800. George dies 1830 something in Florida
and leaves a will citing his brother Lewis in Mecklenburg County, Va.
<		01/26/1999 3:09:22
Cemetery Search - Brunswick Co, VACharles NealTeresa, & Lyn Poythress Baird,

Teresa, I was glad to see that you are now a new subscriber on the list, so
future messages will get to all of us no matter what Poythress-tidbit is
being followed.

Lyn, since you also came from the general area mentioned in T's message
(copied below), can you please refresh my memory about which cemeteries we
learned about, from you, last year? Is this cemetery one of the ones you
had written about? I don't recall the grave that Teresa mentions, as being
one you had previously mentioned, but maybe that is more a function of my
lack of memory . I also don't recall us having any discussion about
"the Pleasant Hill old cemetery."

I do see, Lyn, from your message of Feb 17, 1998 (which by the way Teresa,
you & all of us can access all our past Poythress-List messages at our
Poythress List archives at website:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl -- note that last
letter is a lowercase "L" not the number "1") that you, Lyn, identified
James David Poythress as being born 1856 Mecklenburg Co, VA; married Lucy
Cannon Moseley in Brunswick Co 1877; and died sometime after 1930 in
Brunswick Co; buried in Brodnax. And I further see that you cited that he
was a son of Thomas M. Poythress, who was buried on the family farm,
Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co. What I can't remember is which cemetery in
Brodnax for James David Poythress. . .

BPN
> > >
>From: "Teresa Willis"
To: "Barbara (bpn) Poythress Neal"
Subject: Poythress Cemetery Search
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:56:35 -0500

Barbara,

Nice to hear from you. Sorry I don't have more information at this time
but I have only been to one cemetery so far. I went to the Canaan Church
cemetary. The church it self was not used any more and has just recently
been torn down or moved. I was actually looking for Morris graves at the
time but came across this one Poythress: Susie M. Poythress, wife of Henry
P. Davis, Aug 20,1878-Apr 22,1958. Hopefully I will be able to get to the
Pleasant Hill old cemetery this week.

Another thing ( if of any interest) in reference to Meridith Poythress
Sen(late 1700's) married to Edith Cleaton, there are quite a few Cleaton's
buried in the Canaan Church cemetery.

Close for now, I hope to have more info soon!

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com

<		01/26/1999 3:09:27
Re: ROLL CALLI am Kevin N. Poythress and reside in Apex, N.C. I descend from John Lewis
Poythress of Mecklenburg County, Va. (b. 1829 d. 1905). I have information
from some old family members that John Lewis is the son of James (Edward??)
Poythress (b. 1803??). They show James to be the son of Louis (not spelled
LEWIS??- mistake??) Poythress (b. 1775 d. 1820 or 1830??). I am fascinated
with studying the Poythress line but unfortunately do not have a lot of spare
time. However, I do lurk a couple of times a week. Keep up the good work!

Kevin N. Poythress
kpoythress@aol.com		01/26/1999 3:21:17
Re: Poythress in BurkeMaynard, sorry for the typo. Thomas went to Georgia in mid 1780's, not 1880's.

Kevin		01/26/1999 3:25:14
Roll CallJ.D. WeeksI am an aforementioned "Lurker". My information was given to me by a
"Cousin" from my Aycock line recently. I am working 60 surnames.

Francis Poythress 1614 London, England
Francis Poythress 1642 Charles City, VA
Rebecca Poythress 1672 VA
married Richard Pace, Jr. 1690 Jamestown, VA

Short but sweet. My gedcom can be viewed at http://www.my-ged.com/weeks

J.D. Weeks
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Re: ROLL CALLCliff Townsendthis is
Sheryl Rowell Townsend e-mail: cctowns@thenett.com
My Poythress connection is with:
Mrs. Mary Poythress m. Capt. Robert Wynne with dau. Mary Wynne m. John
Woodliffe (connection through her marriage)
and also: Mary Poythress that m. a John Woodliff s/o Mary Wynne and
John Woodliffe. (connection through blood line)

On the Eppes I have a Norah m. George Woodliff (we have discussed
this with no conclusion I believe)

I believe my Woodliff / Wynne lines went from Henry Co. VA to Granville Co NC and some in Charles City & Jordans Church, VA. Further down the line they went to Forsyth Co
and Hall Co.'s GA and from there to Etowah Co. AL

I have the least to contribute on this line, but do wait for a connection to be made.
Thanks,
sheryl

01/26/1999 3:55:53
Poythress in BurkeWe're not sure about George.

The best theory seems to be:

A Thomas Poythress comes to Burke County mid-1780's. He brings sons George
(for sure) because George is cited as Thomas' son. They are both sheriffs of
Burke County ca 1800. George dies 1830 something in Florida and leaves a
will citing his brother Lewis in Mecklenburg County, Va.

(Parenthetically, this George, who makes or maybe marries a pile of money, is
the father of John Carter Poythress. John Carter cuts a fairly wide swath in
Burke County. Starts his own "academy" at, of all places, Poythressville, GA
(no longer on any map I have found). John C. also forms his own company for
War for Sou. Independence.....and a lot of other stuff that obviously takes a
ton of money.)

To return to George, now we have him hooked to a brother Lewis Poythress in
Mecklenburg County, Va. and we are pretty certain Lewis
never left Mecklenburg. We also have very strong circumstantial evidence
that Lewis was a brother to Meredith, Sr. and we also have circumstantial
evidence that Meredith, Sr. had a brother named William. We have William
and Meredith, Sr. linked in the 1805 land lottery registered from Scriven
(sic) which in 1793 was lopped off of Burke County.

Back to the original Thomas: We have his widow Martha/Patsy and we
have George and what is likely another brother Edward/Edmund.

The scenario that would make all this "fit" is:

Thomas Poythress and wife Martha/Patsy come to Burke County with sons
Meredith, Sr,, George, William, Edward/Edmund, and there is also a Thomas, Jr.
in there somewhere although he might well be a grandson.

Any help on this puzzle would be most welcome 🙂

Best,

Maynard		01/26/1999 4:31:09
NA StuffJean, I'll fink on Lea Dowd and tell you she is taking a sabbatical from the
list while she works on some really original NA stuff she has recently come
upon. She has been sharing it with me. While it is facinating to me, I'll
confess that I don't know enough about John Hicks and all those guys to really
appreciate it. She has the Wynne boys et al wrapped up in the work she is
doing.

May be appoint you as agent-in-charge of press-ganging her back to the
board??? And so I won't be a total fink, I'm copying her.

Maynard

01/26/1999 4:34:35
Roll CallLou PooleHaven't done this in quite a while, so Maynard's "call" is probably
timely...

I guess I'm still what one would call, officially, a Poythress
wanna-be. I'm a descendant of the Wall and Covington families of
Anson Co., NC, and "Poythress" shows up as a middle name among several
generations and lines of Walls and Covingtons. I've traced the Wall
family back to Brunswick Co., Va., and it appears that one John Wall
married an Ann Poythress. I believe, based on purely circumstantial
evidence, that this Ann Poythress was the daughter of Joshua Poythress
(of Martins Brandon Parish, dated 1739). My analysis and evidence of
all of this is provided at the Poythress web site, under "Allied
Families."

Lou Poole		01/26/1999 5:33:33
roll callJean SpilleI am soon to be Barbara Jean Poythress again, but am now Jean Poythress
Spille. I believe I descend from either Hardiman or Odom Poythress of
Northampton, NC, but I can prove back to my gggrandfather, James
Poythress b.1804 in Northampton Co., NC, his son Richard Poythress
b.1848 in Northampton Co., NC, his son William Francis Poythress b.1869
in Northampton Co., and my father William Arthur Poythress b.1906 in
Wilson Co., NC. and me b.1946 in Hopewell, Va. My folks are of mixed
blood. My research leads me to believe Nottoway or Saponi Indian.....I
am the one who reminds everyone that Poythresses traded with the indians
from the gitgo. Welcome all you new Poythress cousins. What a
fascinating story we have to tell.

yet another Barbara Poythress!!!!!!!!!		01/26/1999 6:40:27
GA- Poythress updateDebra FreemanHello everyone,
Thanks, Bud, for all the info on Thos Boston. I think I made some
interesting connections from that info.
Gazzie H. Poythress (brother of T.B.) married Louise - your chart stated.
Now I know where I saw that before. Minnie Louise Seckinger married a
Gazzie Poythress. Minnie is related to my great-grandmother, Julia Ann
Usher. Possibly a second cousin. So that ties the two brothers to the same
family. Interesting.
Julia Usher's mother's name was Sarah Seckinger - she's descended from
Andreas Lorenz Arnsdorff.
I figured it had to be the right Julia Usher...her older brother's name was
Sheddie Usher. That's too weird of a coincidence that she would also name
her infant son the same - Sheddie W. Poythress.

An update for the rest of you, I was telling Bud about the rest of the
Poythress family I know about. My father, John Robert, lives out here in CA
some where last I hear. That was '83 when I last spoke to him. I found
out that he had two sons, John Bryant and Dallas Travis, down here
somewhere - I haven't found them yet. I have a full sister - Diane
Poythress-Russell. She lives in Phoenix. I learned my youngest Uncle -
Julian Poythress was in Seattle with his six children. Haven't found him
yet. But I have talked to my Uncle William Poythress in Kansas City, MO.
But said he spoke to Uncle Bill's wife - never meet her as well. Although
I do have a picture of their family. Two boys and a girl. This was all
back in the early 80's, but I did try to call them tonight. Will have to
wait for a call back to get more information on Thomas Ralph's brothers and
sisters plus, Verna Mae's family. I have nothing on her. Just a name.
Someone asked me about being related to Robert L.? If I can go by Bud's
information I'd say I am. Our g-grandfathers were brothers. I think I
might have talked to him back in the 80's as well. It's too hard to
remember now that I'm past 40...soon to be 41. 🙂
I live very close to Saugus and work in Valencia. My husband works in
Burbank, so, getting to Pacific Palisades isn't a problem. That would be
great if we could set up a gathering. I'll pull my sister in from Phoenix
as well. She's the one who told me about the websites last year in the
first place. We're orginally from Nebraska (my mother's family is all
there), been out here since 1970. Air Force brat, lost the Air Force but
kept the Brat part. Had an Aunt Celestine who moved to Florida and passed
away in the 70's, I think. I'm still very unclear about my uncles and
aunt. Will have to get more info from Uncle Bill as soon as possible about
whatever he knows. I think he's getting up there in age so I had best
hurry.
Hey Bud, now that you told me Thos Boston's father - William E. & Martha J.
- who's he related to? I didn't see him connected to Meredith. Maybe I
missed that. Or do you just not know that yet? Let me know if I missed
something.
I think this brings everyone up to date on my side. I will keep plugging
away. By the way, might anyone tell me where you all are getting this info
- online, I hope, so I can go look around there as well? Just looking for
pointers.

Thanks,
Debbie		01/26/1999 6:58:49
Re: PoythressTeresa....you said:
Subj: Poytress
Date: 1/26/99 12:55:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: toot@jnent.com (Teresa Willis)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com (John Maynard Poytress)

Maynard,

Sorry about the confusion, I get carried away with this. I'm always going
to fast, so I'll try to get these dates in to help.

My question was about the 1700 Thomas that you are looking a father for. I
asked about that because I was confused also. Anyhow as far I can tell
Thomas and Meredith left Mecklinburg for GA. Am I correct that Cleaton and
Elizabeth also went to GA, but I can find no mention of his son Peter
leaving with them. I am asking this because my Grandfather use to talk
about a relative of his named Peter Poythress. I know this is a shot in the
dark. A Peter Poythress is also listed in the VA Malitia 83 regt.(Scott's)
war of 1812. If that happened to be the same Peter it would make him 30.
But in the 1850 Mecklinburg Co. census there is no Peter Poythress listed.
How ever there is a David Poythress(born 1806) son named James (born 1833)
he was 17 in 1850. My great-great grandfather was James David (born 1856).
At this point I am trying to find his father. Do you know anything about
the David and James I mentioned? In the 1870 census there is no listing for
either a David or James of the right age.

Now for the 1600 Thomas. I was asking about that Thomas because of the
dates. Like you said it could be a reference to present day Brunswick Co.
In the Gene Stark Index : Thomas Poythress born abt.1640 Charles City
Co.(now Dinwiddie Co.) Burial: Brunswick Co. There is no date of
death. It is possible that he could have died after 1732(putting him in his
90's). I was just wondering if it has him listed as being buried in
Brunswick, would that mean he was buried in a church cemetery? I have not
found this Thomas, but I would like to. I have sent E-mail to the tombstone
project chairperson, asking about which cemeteries are that old in
Brunswick.

I hope that is a little clearer. I just have to remember we are talking
centuries so I have to enclude dates in reference to each person.

Thanks,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com

Teresa:

First, pluueessee, could I beg you to subscribe and put these GREAT e-mails on
the "bulletin board"......you will understand why when you and I get about
three messages deep into a particular subject, we hit a complete dead end, and
somebody monitoring the board is sitting there with the answer on the top of
his or her head and doesn't even know the question exists. I've just seen it
happen a million times. To subscribe just address an e-mail to POYTHRESS-
L@rootsweb.com. In the body of the message just type the single word
"subscribe" (without the quotes) and click send. You don't even have to sign
it. And if or when you ever get bored or tired or whatever getting "off" is
just as easy....do the same thing but type "unsubscribe". Thanks a ton.

And even though your messages go to "the board" there is nothing wrong with
starting one out "hey Maynard"......others will know you're addressing me but
if they have something of substance to add they will just as likely send their
own message back with the information saying "hey Maynard and Teresa". It
really works great.
All the time and for everyone. Trust me.

Now, on to business:

I think your assumption that Peter, Cleaton (he later wound up spelling it
Cleton, or at least the court clerk did) and Elizabeth ALL went to Georgia
with father Meredith, Sr. is well founded. I will send you in a seperate e-
mail an attachment (one thing Rootsweb can't do is handle attachments): which
is my transcription of Cleton's will of 1828 in Screven Co. wherein he names
his sister Elizabeth Brannen and his brother Meredith, Jr. as legatees. I
consider this document to make the proposition of them all going (sooner or
later) to Georgia a dead certainty

2. As for Peter:
SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.
7th day of ____, 1809
Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to Thomas Cleaton,
second part, of Mecklenburg County, Va., for 43L current money of Virginia,
paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said Cleaton, and for one cent in
United States coin, paid to Peter Poythress by Thomas Cleaton, a certain tract
of land in Mecklenburg County, Virginia containing 50 acres by estimation.
Usual Warranty
In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
Hardy Parker, James Ponder
Recorded 30th day of October 1809
Roger McKinney, Clerk

Here is Peter, in Screven in 1809 in a property transaction with his
grandfather Thomas Cleaton back in Mecklenburg County. And incidentally, he
is literate, or at least he can sign his name.

At this point we completely lose track of Peter, or at least I do. Meredith
Poythress, Sr. & Elizabeth Cleaton (Peter's parents) were married in July,
1781 in Mecklenburg. A first child (I've always had a hunch it was this
Peter) would be born, say, ca 1782 so.....here he is in 1809 old enough (27)
to do a legal transaction.

And if this your War of 1812 Peter, he's back in Virginia maybe enlisting in
the
Va. Militia 83rd regt. (Scott's) at about age 30, the very age you predict.
If the guy was hot to enter the war it may have even been probable that he
came back to Virginia to do so. My memory (faulty) tells me there wasn't much
action in Georgia early in the War of 1812.

At this point, we ring the bell (DING, DING) for our military records expert
on the board, Craig Scott (who might even further be intrigued by the fact
that a Peter Poythress enlisted in a SCOTT'S regmt.).

Craig: I'm not even sure I know enough to ask the right questions but these
come to mind and I'm sure you'll answer the right questions even if I don't
ask them.
1. my impression of militia is "local residents"....could Peter have come back
from Ga. and enlisted in this particular VA unit?
2. do the records of Va. 83rd Militia have anything to offer about Peter's
origin?
3. what county did the 83rd Militia come from? .....something other than
Mecklenburg would say that Peter (assuming this thread of inquiry).....if the
83rd came from another county and Peter stayed in the other county he
naturally would not have shown up in the Mecklenburg 1850 census.
4. Perhaps an even better reason for him not showing in the Mecklenburg 1850
census would be that he was dead by then. After all, he would have been 77
years old if the two Peters are the same.

Anyway, Craig, jump into this one for us would you?

Now, about the "Davids", I'd like to punt this one to either Barbara Poythress
Neal,
Barbara Poythress Wolfe, or Lyn Poythress Baird......all of whom I believe to
be decendents of this man and many, many times more knowledgeable than I on
that one.

Subject # 3 (or is it #4, I lost track)......can you elaborate on this Thomas
Poythress
b. ca 1640 Charles City and buried in Brunswick County. He is likely to be a
KEY guy for us. Tell us about the "Gene Stark index".....that's a new one for
me.
My guess would be that grave is long gone but I can't think of anything I'd
rather be proven wrong on more. As for asking around, why don't you try Carol
Morrison on the Brunswick board.....or I'll ask her if you prefer.

Thanks again for bringing some dynamite material to the board, Teresa.

Maynard		01/26/1999 9:02:55
roll callRuth O. KauffmanMy interest lie with the family of Edward Poythress, son of Lewis
Poythress and Patsey Elizabeth Giles, m to Mahala Nance, 10 Dec, 1828.in
Mecklenburg Co. Va. In the 1850 census their children are listed as
Sarah A., Harreitt, and George.

Thanks.
Ruth O Kauffman
kauffman@acnet,net		01/26/1999 9:38:52
What's in a List of Names......often more than may appear at first glance. Sometime back Barbara
Wolfe shared with us Annette Wetzel's post of 1/4 to the Mecklenburg
rootsweb list regarding ministers serving Charlotte and Mecklenburg
counties. Some names, such as Francis Asbury, Methodist bishop and famed
circuit rider, are familiar to many of us. Many of the names are unknown
to me as I would guess they would be unknown to most of us. However,
several names of Presbyterians happened to be familiar to me because of
their association with Hampden-Sydney College located in Prince Edward
County. (Founded in 1774, Hampden-Sydney is the second oldest college in
Virginia, the tenth in the nation and one of only two all-male
non-military colleges remaining in the US.) Some of us may be surprised
to find that these back-country preachers included college founders and
presidents and a state supreme court justice. Here are some bits of
biography gathered from ON THIS HILL, A NARRATIVE HISTORY OF
HAMPDEN-SYDNEY COLLEGE 1774-1994 by John Luster Brinkley:

-Samuel Davis, likely DAVIES; president 1759 of College of New Jersey
(Princeton); called the apostle of Presbyterianism in Virginia; leader in
establishing Hanover Presbytery

-Caleb Wallace; Princeton 1770; first Prince Edward native to attend
Princeton; returned to pastor Cub Creek church in PE; left the pastorate
to practice law in Kentucky and became justice of Supreme Court of
Kentucky

-Samuel Stanhope Smith; Princeton 1772; founding president 1775 of
Hampden-Sydney; left to become president of Princeton

-John Blair Smith; younger brother of Samuel Stanhope Smith; Princeton
1773; second president of Hampden-Sydney; forced to resign because 1) he
was considered too warm in his support of the 1785 religious revival that
swept the campus and 2) as a federalist he incurred the ire of
Hampden-Sydney trustee Patrick Henry, even challenging Henry to public
debate; pastor 1791 Pine St. Presbyterian Church Philadelphia; founding
president 1795 Union College, Schenectady, NY

-William Mahon; Princeton 1782; tutor Hampden-Sydney 1785; later set up
school in Danville, Ky; became alcoholic and was defrocked

-Drury Lacy; Acting President of Hampden-Sydney 1789-1797

-Archibald Alexander; President of Hampden-Sydney 1796-1806; D.D.
Princeton 1810

-David Rice; trustee of Hampden-Sydney; friend of James Madison; founder
of the ill-fated Transylvania University of Kentucky

-John Holt Rice; faculty, acting president and trustee of Hampden-Sydney;

founding pastor 1812 of First Presbyterian, Richmond; 1822 refused
presidency of Princeton; founding president 1823 of Union Theological
Seminary

-Nash LeGrand; Hampden-Sydney 1786; formerly a "wild, dissolute" student,
converted in the 1785 campus revival

-John B. Shearer, maybe John Bunyan Shearer; Hampden-Sydney 1851;
president 1888-1900 of Davidson College

Now that I've reviewed the Presbyterians, maybe someone else would like
to take on Annette's list of Baptists. 🙂 Thanks, Annette Wetzel and
Barbara Wolfe, for sharing.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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ROLL CALLGolly, how I hate to see those words on a state or county list. Some guy
hollers "roll call" and the next three days the state bulletin board is filled
with folks listing up to 50 and 60 names they are supposedly "researching".

HOWEVER, I think (hope) it will work just fine for our purposes since we all
have something of a narrow focus, at least with respect to using this
particular board.

We have signed on many new members in recent days. We also have a gang of
lurkers which I'm happy to know are there but wish we could get them to speak
up....but no big deal if they don't.

It strikes me that we have gone a long time without many of the list members
knowing just who is on this list and and a brief way what their interests are,
specific and general.

So......may I call "ROLL CALL"?...... and ask those not shy of soul to
introduce themselves, say what their schtick is, etc. I am hopeful that
this will make our newer members more comfortable and that it also will stir
some further postings leading to PROGRESS.

Thanks folks,

Maynard

[John M. Poythress]		01/26/1999 10:05:45
Re Roll CallSarah PoythressWelcome to all of you new comers. Glad to have you aboard. We needed some
new blood to get this list moving again.

My name is Sarah Royster Poythress. My husband descends from the same line
as
Kevin N. Poythress (Hi Kevin), according to older family members and other
family
members that have searched the family in the past, what Kevin states is
true. I still
have not been able to prove beyond John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 Aug. 1829 in
Mecklenburg Co.,VA, d. 27 Feb. 1905 in Vance County, NC. Married Tabitha Ann
Nunn, b. ca 1837 in NC, d. ca. 1906, in NC.

Sarah		01/26/1999 10:15:02
Re: Poythress relativesHello, Teresa. Yes, we are fairly close cousins. Your
twice-great-grandparents James D. Poythress and Lucy Moseley are my
great-grandparents. They are buried in Brodnax...I can show you the
family cemetery sometime when I am in Virginia if you do not get to it
first. I am working toward getting grave markers, the originals having
been lost decades ago. You are, I believe, the first descendant of JDP
other than me to admit to being on the list.

James David Poythress is the son of Thomas M. Poythress and Lucy Thomas.
I can show you their graves as well - at Blacksridge, and am working on
grave markers for them also. Thomas M. Poythress is the son of Lewis
Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. I have lots I can share with you back as
far as Lewis and several of the more active listers suspect descent from
Lewis as well. However, it may be a few days before I can begin sending
you information. Beyond Lewis the trail grows cold and the help of you,
a researcher located "on site" in Brunswick, would be very valuable to
us.

Regarding your cemetery explorations, Susie Poythress Davis, buried at
Canaan, is the sister of your great-grandfather Willie. As you probably
know, your great-grandfather is buried at the old Pleasant Hill cemetery.
I/we will be very interested in whatever you find in those Bible records
you mentioned you expect to be seeing soon.

(BPN, for you, that is the old cemetery of the Pleasant Hill Christian
Church in Gasburg, Brunswick Co. Canaan cemetery is associated with the
now defunct Canaan Methodist Church located just inside Mecklenburg Co.
between Blacksridge and Brodnax.)

If any of you do not get an answer from me immediately, just wait. I'm
getting to read the mail about once a week lately!

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Batte 17 x 11 ChartHey, MRTutor.......glad to have you, even lurking. Be delighted to mail you
a copy of the Battle chart. They finally found something I was good
for.....making photocopies . All I need is snail mail address and will
get it right out to you.

Maynard

[John M. Poythress]

01/26/1999 11:40:44
Roll CallhermitageI am interested in the Francis Poythress, 1609; Francis Poythress c.1630; Rebecca Poythress, 1672 line.

I have been following the family trends in the different counties that each of you have provided for discussion. I am looking forward to seeing you find the connection for Thomas Poythress. It seems to be only a matter of time.

Would it be possible for me to obtain a photocopy of the 17X11 Bowling Batte chart of the "Early Poythress Family in Virginia?

Until I get my bearings, I guess that I will lurk in the background.....But I will be here........

MRTutor, VA.		01/26/1999 12:30:25
Roll CallLinda....wow!....what a compliment ! Thanks.

Maynard

01/27/1999 3:24:32
Re: Angola, Flowerdew Hundred, and a StonemasonAh, Jean, I'm not kidding YOU about those Portuguese stonemasons...that was
just a "scatter shot".

I went scurrying for my copy of "Flowerdew Hundred, The Archaeology of a
Virginia Plantation 1619--1864" to see if author James Deetz made the claim.
I didn't find it on a quick scan so I'm guessing it's in some of Flowerdew's
literature.

This gives me one more chance to tout this book, heavily tilted toward the
archaeology of the place but enough "family" to keep the interest going if the
archaeology gets a tad dry. Craig Scott stocks the book or can get it for
anyone in just a couple of days. Address is:
willowbend@mediasoft.net .....it makes a great gift for anyone researching
Poythresses.

Maynard		01/27/1999 3:45:48
Effingham County, Ga.Cemetery inventory pasted below. If it parses out all funky on AOL window
send me an e-mail and I'll send it to you as an attachment.

Bud: I will be mailing you the hard copy of this because it has a bunch of
your Seckingers..30 or so.

Maynard

>>>>
January 27, 1999
Poythress Inventory - Goshen Cemetery, Effingham County, Georgia

1) Poythress, infant daughter of Mr. & Mrs. T. H. Poythress
11 Nov 1935 - 21 Nov 1935

2) Poythress, infant daughter of Mr. & Mrs. I. E. Poythress
- 16 Mar 1925
-
3) Poythress, Janie E. "Mother"
23 Apr 1868 - 10 Mar 1928

4) Poythress, John Addison "Husband"
4 Jul 1890 - 2 Mar 1960

5) Poythress, Mary Elizabeth Zipperer "Wife"
10 Oct 1873 - 17 Oct 1954

5) Poythress, T. Milton
10 Nov 1911 - 9 Aug 1975

6) Poythress, Viola - "Age 18 yrs"
- 21 Aug 1916

7) Poythress, William H. "Father"
15 Dec 1848 - 5 Jun 1927

8) Poythress, William Hull- T/SGT U. S. Army WWII
19 Sep 1917 - 15 Dec 1975

Poythress Inventory - Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery, Effingham County

1) Poythress, Minnie "Wife of G. H. Poythress"
25 Sep 1879 - 27 Aug 1924

Compiled by Historic Effingham Society, Effingham County, Georgia
(non-copyrighted)		01/27/1999 3:46:23
Florida Muster RollsIf someone has previously posted this please forgive me but I'm just now
digging the data out of my pile:

>From ten volume set of books that indexes "Florida Militia Muster Rolls,
Seminole Indian Wars". This set of volumes is available at the State Library
of Florida, Department of Military Affairs (Tallahassee I assume, the
announcement didn't say) and at the Indian River Main
Library in Vero Beach. If in Florida, one can find out if a local library
has the set by checking: http://www.dos.state.fl.us/fgils/fl_lib.htm

1) Poythress, James Pvt. 07:017-18, 07:021-22

2) Poythress, William T. 1st Lt. 07:017-18

3) Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt. 07:021-22 Sgt. , 07-009-10

4) Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt. 02-072-73

Observations/questions:

a) 2,3,&4 look like the same guy going through promotions.
b) could James be our Screven County James P. Poythress?
c) first number is volume #, others are page numbers. Looking at each
entry seeming to take up two page numbers, does that hint that the
information might be more than just a simple muster roll?

Do we have an agent "on the ground" in Florida??

Craig, can you do anything with this one?

Thanks,

Maynard		01/27/1999 3:46:37
Mary (Sloman?) Poythress WynneLea, re: "did anyone ever wonder why you couldn't find Mary's last name?" and
"ever wonder why Robert's (Wynne) sons Joshua and Thomas were the Indian
interpreters for the Nansemond, Nottaway, and
Meherrin Indians?".

Are you suggesting Mary was a Nottaway and was thereby just "given" what they
would have called a "Chriistian name" and otherwise kept under wraps? Or
maybe it wasn't even necessary to keep her under
wraps?

That is an intriguing but not necessarily compelling case you have....you mind
giving it to me "see Spot run" (and maybe send it to the board). I don't
have "any problem" with it and, in fact, find it rather a reasonable
conjecture especially given all the grief we have had trying to find Mary's
"maiden" name. And using Jane's marriage to Thomas Rolfe as an example
suggests that it wouldn't have been any big deal to Francis.

On the other hand, if Mary was indeed Nottaway, I would have thought we would
have come across some indication of that somewhere in all those records.

Thanks,

Maynard

01/27/1999 3:46:38
Roll CallLarsen KennethMy interest in the Poythress Line stems (branches?) from my wife's 5
Greats Grandfather's marriage to Elizabeth Poythress (#22 on Batte
Chart).
We are trying to establish a life for this person, John Fitzgerald of
Charles City County and/or Prince George County. Time frame is late
1600s to early 1700s. We believe he is the immigrant.
So far about all we know is that he was a Coroner and Justice of the
Peace in Prince George County in 1726 and 1729.
Birth, marriage, and death of Elizabeth Poythress would be helpful.
Ken Larsen		01/27/1999 4:30:11
Angola, Flowerdew Hundred, and a StonemasonJean SpilleMaynard,
Are you ever going to let me live that "portuguese stonemason" theory
down. ........
But that same article was in the Richmond Times Dispatch this past
Sunday. Where did you learn about Flowerdew Hundred? That I didn't
know.

Also, I have a copy of a 1958 Virginian Pilot article on the
"Portuguese Settlement" in Northampton that my line comes from. I wish
I had a scanner to assist me in posting it to the list, because it is
of interest to all who have a Poythress connection to Southside
Virginia. If any one has a scanner and would be willing to do that, I
will snail mail a copy of the article.		01/27/1999 5:27:49
Etc.Hi Diana.....thanks for the e-mail

Don't hold your breath on the Elizabeths......I count 21 of them so far, and
most without a "handle" on them.

I hope a lot of those lines will come cleaner for you when you get the Batte
chart which I mailed yesterday.

Maynard		01/27/1999 5:46:21
First AfricansBelow article from Roanoke newspaper is quite interesting. At least the
article didn't say the Portuguese ship dropped off "20 odd Negroes" who were
STONEMASONS and thereby hopelessly muddle the water.

Flowerdew Hundred claims that these Africans were dropped off by a
Dutch ship and were taken to Flowerdew when Governor Yeardley owned Flowerdew.

I find the discoveries quite interesting and the comments about the
homogeneity of the group to be very logical conclusions even if the
researchers didn't have the facts to back it up.
>>>>
ROANOKE TIMES Copyright (c) 1999, Roanoke TimesDATE:
Sunday, January 24, 1999 TAG: 9901250202SECTION: VIRGINIA
PAGE: B1 EDITION: METRO RESEARCHERS DISCOVER WHO FIRST AFRICANS
IN VA. WERE 'WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS REVOLUTIONARY'SUMMARY:
Evidence suggests that these unwilling immigrants were likelyto have been
Christians and spoke a common language. In the scant history of forgotten
persons, many people are faceless. But few have been swallowed by the dark
shadows that obscure the firstblacks known to have lived in Virginia. Except
for a few passingreferences from Capt. John Smith and members of theVirginia
Company,these ''20-odd Negroes'' left virtually no trace after disembarking
froma Dutch ship in late summer 1619. And for nearly 400 years that
lack of evidence made it hard for anyone,including many determined scholars,
to talk about one of early America'smost historic moments. A recent survey
of Portuguese colonial shippingrecords, however, may have turned up the very
vessel in which theseunwillingimmigrants came to the New World. New studies of
the Portuguese Africancolony of Angola have shed unexpected light on the
subject. ''When I gave a talk on the arrival of the first Africans in 1994,
Ireally had very little to say,'' said Jamestown Settlement curator
TomDavidson. ''But in five years the whole story has changed -
almostcompletely. Gradually, we're taking what was the poorest known segmentof
17th-century Virginia's population and moving into a realm where wecan talk
about them as people.'' Davidson gave a lecture recently that focused on
several studies,including two pioneering works that appeared in the scholarly
journalWilliam & Mary Quarterly over the past two years. The
firstrevolutionized the field, he says, by pinpointing the name,
nationalityand port of origin of the ship that carried the blacks from Africa
tothe New World. Sifting through Colonial shipping records,
Californiahistorian Engel Sluiter came across a Portuguese merchant-slaver
thatlost its human cargo to English and Dutch privateers in the West
Indies.The timing and description of the attack almost certainly tie that
ship,known as the San Juan Bautista, to the Dutch adventurers who brought
thefirst blacks to Virginia. They also link that human cargo to the
Angolanport town of Luanda. ''Before this, we knew nothing about the
Africans themselves. Wedidn't know if they were slaves. We didn't even know if
they wereAfricans or Creoles from the West Indies,'' Davidson said. ''Now
wehave not only a probable origin - the Portuguese ship sailed from Angola -
but a specific locale in Angola. And that's enabled us todiscover what kind of
people these first Africans were.'' Otherscholars, including William & Mary
Quarterly editor Philip Morgan, anaward-winning author in the field, believe
Sluiter's careful work leaveslittle doubt about the identity of the Portuguese
vessel. And that crucial missing link has led to a fast-growing chain
ofinformation about the first blacks who landed in Virginia, he says. In
1998, the journal published a study by Pennsylvania historian JohnThornton
that examined the Portuguese colony of Angola during the early17th century.
Thornton's search through the records of the periodturned up not only the
region in Angola from which the blacks came, butalso the military campaign in
which they were probably captured. Healso turned up evidence suggesting that
these Africans were likely tohave been Christians, that they had years of
experience in trading anddealing with Europeans and that they spoke a common
language. Such traits would have made them better able to adapt to their lot
inVirginia than the ethnically and linguistically diverse groups of blacksthat
began to arrive from West Africa later in the 1600s,Davidson says. Continued
trading with Portuguese Angola, he adds, mayhelp explain why the first
generations of Africans were so much moresuccessful in working their way out
of servitude than those thatfollowed. It may also help scholars understand
why attitudes aboutrace hardened in the late 1600s, when the concept of
limited-termindenture began to mutate into the institution of lifelong
slavery. ''What we're finding out is revolutionary,'' Davidson said		01/27/1999 6:04:05
Re: GA-Poythress updateHi Debbie,

I sort of feel like what I would imagine a Billy Goat feels when someone
keeps twisting it tail to make him go!

Your latest message is most interesting to say the least, and brings to light
something you probably never may have even heard of. A connection to the "The
Georgia Salzburgers." The Arnsdorffs and Seckingers are Salzburger names, of
I have the "Georgia Salzburgers and Allied Families" genealogy book that has a
number of their families back to the 13th Century. Some Ushers are in there
also, but I don't believe they were originally of the Salzburger group, just
married into them. You may want to visit a local library and see what they
might have on "The Salzburgers." (They were called "Salzburgers" because the
group of several hundred, that came to the Georgia Colony mostly came from 'in
and around' Salzburg, Austria - and were fleeing persecution by the Catholic
Church at that time -- the early 1700s).

The Salzburger Book shows: Minnie Louise Seckinger (b. 9/25/1892 & d.
8/28/1924), daughter of William Hazelius & Mozetta Elizabeth [Arnsdorff]
Seckinger; married 2/10/1910 Gazzie H. Poythress. (PS - My other records show
that after Minnie Louise died, Gazzie married Beulah B. -?- on 7/22/28.)

Now Julia Usher:

1) Julia Usher, daughter of Jeremiah J. and Sarah [Seckinger] Usher; married
(?- I don't quite understand this) a "Roy Poythress" - per this book.
2) Sarah Seckinger, (b. 2/18/1845 & d. 2/21/1935) , daughter of Ephraim &
Lydia Christina [Arnsdorff] Seckinger.
3) Lydia Christina Arnsdorff, (b. 6/6/1826 & d. 5/23/1853), daughter of John
& Sarah [Morgan] Arnsdorff.
4) John Arnsdorff, ( b. 6/3/1792 & d. 11/17/1858), son of John George &
Hanna Elizabeth [Shearouse] Arnsdorff.
5) John George Arnsdorff, (b. 2/26/1759 & d. -?- ), son of John Peter &
Barbara -?-.
6) John Peter Arnsdorff, (b. 1723 & d. -?- ), son of Andreas Lorenz
Arnsdorff.

Note: I too have a connection to the Arnsdorff through Jeremiah Arnsforff,
Jr. (b. 1864 & d. 1988) on both my parents side. On my Dad's side: - His 2nd
wife "Ethel Coker" was the granddaughter of John White Poythress (my g-
grandfather) -- I'm not sure what that makes me. Then on my mother's side --
"HIS mother was "Ellen Salone Gnann," my great-aunt. Jeremiah, between his
two wives, he had 18 children (that lived)! 12 by his 1st wife and 6 by the
2nd. Not bad, I'd say! But back then I guess it was all in a days work, you
might say....

The interesting "history" note of Andreas Lorenz ARNSDORFF taken from the
above named book:

Andreas Lorenz Arnsdorff sold himself and family to an Englishman in South
Carolina who realized that the old man with his many small children was of no
use to him and set him free but kept the oldest daughter who had to earn her
passage money.
Andraeas Lorenz Arnsdorff was admitted to the group of Lutherans who came
over in the third transport and settled at Ebenezer(*). The only shoemaker in
Ebenezer had died and Andreas Arnsdorff, being a shoemaker, made a valuable
addition to the colony. While returning from a visit to his daughter in South
Carolina he fell overboard and was drowned in the Savannah River on July 4,
1736, aged sixty years. His widow and children were admitted to the Orphans
Home at Ebenezer.

(*) My note: - "Ebenezer" was the name of the location where then General
James Olgethorpe (founder of the settlement at Savannah) had the group
referred to as "The Salzburgers" settled, and it is located 18 miles up the
river from the City of Savannah.
The name of Andreas Lorenz's wife is not given; but the names of his chilren
are listed as 1) Oldest dau. remained in SC; 2) John Peter, (b. 1723); 3)
Sophie Catherina, (b. 1725); 4) Maria Margaretha, (b.1727 & d. young); 5)
Dorothea Catherina, (b. 1733); and 6) Marie Catherina, (b. 9/16/1736 - {two
and a half months after her father was drowned}

The Ushers: They were a very prominent family when I was growing up. There
were 3 brothers in Savannah, all three were doctors. One was named "Artie" or
"R.T." and for a while was my mother's doctor when she lost a child (1925)
between me and my sister and my mother always blamed him for that. I can't
recall the 3rd brothers name but -- oh, how I do remember Dr. Sheddie Usher
for he was our family doctor as far back as I can recall and it was he who
delivered my sister in 1928. I have a lots of good stories about Dr Sheddie
Usher, who had his office nurse Lilly Mae, but they did not have any children,
I don't believe.
I too recall attending his funeral, I must have been about 1930-32 time
period and I must have been about 10-12 years old. And I recall vividly
attending his funeral, the Church was filled to overflowing with a large crowd
of folks standing just outside the windows so they could hear what was going
on inside. (I remember sitting in a window!) It was a typically hot and
muggy GA summer day. He's buried in the church's cemetery there and it hasn't
been too long ago that I visited that cemetery for I have kin folks buried
there too. It's a Lutheran Church, located a mile or so north of Springfield,
GA (Effingham County). The church originally was a satellite church begun by
The Salzburg's at Ebernezer. However, if you'd really like to know I'll
certainly get the name of the church for you.

No, Debbie, I do not know just who William E. Poythress' parents were.
However, Martha Dixon tells us that when Thomas Poythress and his brood came
from Virginia to Georgia, he brought a brother along with him, named William
Poythress! So is you're just grasping at straws, maybe that William just
might have been William E.'s father! Good thought but we just haven't been
able to connect with William E. just yet.

Enough for one day, so take care and stay in touch.

As ever, ... Bud		01/27/1999 6:10:24
GA-PoythressDebra FreemanHey Bud and Maynard,
Thanks for all the info! I just love it! Got any ideas how I proceed now?

Bud, what do you know about the Bryants' in GA. I need to find some info
on my grandmother's side. I'm getting loopsided now. I have something on
everyone but her. All I have is the year she was born 1908 died 1945.
Verna Mae Bryant. I've placed a call to my Uncle Bill to see what he
knows. Don't know when I will get a call back. I did find alot of websites
for GA that I still need to check out. I'm hoping to find something, but I
don't it since that hasn't been opened just yet. What is it every 90 years
in the census listings? I can't remember. I have a lots to look up, so
that should keep me busy until the next break. I hope!

Everybody, I really appreciate all the help and info you've passed my way.
I wouldn't have gotten this far without it. Maybe one day I can pass
along something back.

Thanks,
Debbie		01/27/1999 7:11:22
Roll CallStarrHello everyone and welcome to all the new members,
I'm another of those lurkers who stumbled onto the list by accident -- I
erroneously thought I had a son named "Poythress Traylor" in GA -- by the
time I discovered he actually is "Pascal Traylor", I was reluctant to leave
such a great group! Besides you are researching in the same areas, and same
surnames, in VA as my TRAYLORs so I occasionally learn something along the
way. Linda

Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy
for RANKIN / ORR pictures
pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/photos.htm		01/27/1999 7:14:18
Re: Roll CallplassI'm one of the lurkers who reads every post and keeps hoping that one
day I'll have something to contribute! My grandmother was Mabel
Twisdale Branch, daughter of James Twisdale and Lucy Poythress. This
Lucy was the daughter of David Poythress and Sally Dortch; David being
the son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. I'm also researching
the surnames: Branch, Twisdale, Dickens, Outland and Wright. I enjoy
this Poythress group and am in awe of the research all of you have done
- I'm very much the amateur here in Rich Square, NC.

Phyllis B. Lassiter

01/27/1999 7:30:21
Twisdale and DortchSarah PoythressBPW and Phyllis,

I found a couple of things a short while back that might interest you. In
the Mount Zion Church Cemetery at Ridgeway, NC, grave of James H. Twisdale,
1813 - 1898. I figure he is to old to be Lucy Poythress' husband, so maybe
his father. He was the only one buried there. I probably would not have
found him had it not been for the lady in charge of the cemetery being there
making a survey or something. Barbara I think
she said you had written or called her about it. Can't remember now.

The other thing; between Manson, NC and Drewy, NC is a cemetery. I was
checking it out as my family (mother's side) is from Middleburg, NC. Some of
her distant family is there. Part of the cemetery is fenced in and looking
from the road, on the right side is a grave outside the fence under a tree.
Name on marker is O.J. Dortch, 1846 -1929.
Wrote it down at the time, because I thought it might mean something to the
list. I go
different places and make notes. Sometimes I get busy and forget to go back
to them for awhile. That is what happened with this info.

Hope this will help,
Sarah		01/27/1999 8:08:51
Re: ROLL CALLHello, Kevin, and welcome to the Poythress list. You are welcome to
settle down and join our shared effort. We have at least one other John
Lewis Poythress descendant on the list, Dale and Sarah Poythress of
Henderson. For some time we have been working with Sarah to prove the
parentage of John Lewis Poythress. We have not yet found any evidence
linking him to James Edward Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress. However,
we have found some circumstancial evidence that he may be the son of
Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance. Edward P. is another son of Lewis P.
If you and Sarah could collaborate on this pursuit, it would be great!
Keep in touch.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:21:17 EST KPoythress@aol.com writes:
>I am Kevin N. Poythress and reside in Apex, N.C. I descend from John
>Lewis
>Poythress of Mecklenburg County, Va. (b. 1829 d. 1905). I have
>information
>from some old family members that John Lewis is the son of James
>(Edward??)
>Poythress (b. 1803??). They show James to be the son of Louis (not
>spelled
>LEWIS??- mistake??) Poythress (b. 1775 d. 1820 or 1830??). I am
>fascinated
>with studying the Poythress line but unfortunately do not have a lot
>of spare
>time. However, I do lurk a couple of times a week. Keep up the good
>work!
>
>Kevin N. Poythress
>kpoythress@aol.com
>
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Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Update to Brunswick HistorySome of you are familiar with BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1720-1975 as a
resource. I have found both the narrative and the source materials
appended to be quite useful. The original is now out of print. Its
author, Gay Neale, has been commissioned by the Brunswick Historical
Society to write a revised edition, scheduled for publication in
September 1999. The price, including shipping and handling, is expected
to be around $35. Copies may be reserved by writing Brunswick County
Historical Society, P. O. Box 554, Lawrenceville, VA 23868. The Society
asks that no money be sent at this time.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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What's in a List of Names...Charles NealLyn,

Thanks for your info on the Presbyterians in the list of ministers, and
thanks for the clarification on some of the burials in the Brunswick area.

BPN

01/27/1999 9:14:25
John Lewis Poythress & LVA Poythress resourcesCharles NealI'm descended from James Edward Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg
Co, VA, and have managed to track down some of my family's records for his
family. I transcribed the oldest one that I found, and the transcription
was published in the VA Genealogical Society's May 1995 issue of
__Magazine of Virginia Genealogy__.

It lists his children, and John Lewis Poythress, who was born in 1829, is
not in the listing. There is a Joshua Lewis Poythress in the list, who was
born 10 Nov 1828, but he is a different person; Joshua married Elizabeth J.
Crowder 17 Oct 1852 and shortly after that moved with the other members of
the James Edward Poythress family to Sumter County, AL. He & Elizabeth had
only one child, a boy, born 30 Nov 1853 in Sumter Co. Then Joshua died 12
June 1854 in Sumter Co, and the baby boy died 21 July 21 1854.

A copy of that old chart is posted as a Bible-record-type of image at the
Library of VA [LVA] site along with various other people's Poythress info.
If anyone wants to see those images online, and all the wonderful other
resources that LVA has, and make copies on your own computer of them from
the LVA site, here is the roadmap for any who haven't done it yet:

Go to LVA's main site, which is: http://leo.vsla.edu/

There, down the list of great stuff, find: "Online Catalogs and Image
Databases" and click on that

There, down the list, find "Archives & Manuscripts Catalog" and click on
that

There, choose "Word - Phrase" for the type of search of the catalog

At the next screen, beside "Search Type" change the type from the list of
types to "Keyword" and type in "Poythress" below that

They will give you quite a list of documents that include the name
Poythress. To find the one I referred to above, go down the list until you
find "Preston-Poythress family Bible record, 1795-1918" and click on it

Then you'll see that same title again on the next screen, so click on it
again

At the bottom of the next page you get, is an icon to click on, in order to
get the actual images.

Happy Poythress hunting.
BPN		01/27/1999 9:14:30
Roll CallDiana C. DiamondMy grandmother, a Pryor, had Poythresses from Virginia in her father's and
mother's line. There is a lot of confusion in my data base because they and
other ancestors seem to be distantly and not so distantly related to each
other. I have collected a lot of material from aging relatives but I am
still sorting through it all. With your help, perhaps I can make sense of
it all. I too have an Elizabeth Poythress, mentioned by a recent respondent
to the Roll Call, in my line. I would appreciate any information on her.

Meanwhile, I still look for good information on Anne Poythress's mother:
the Ann Poythress who was born on July 13, 1712 and died on April 09, 1758.
Peter Poythress is believed by many to be her father, but who was her
mother. Anne Jones has been put forth by several sources, but she is always
married after her reputed daughter's birth. I don't have Peter's line
either.

Randy Jones suggests "The parents of Ann POYTHRESS (b.1712) were Peter
POYTHRESS of "Flowerdew Hundred" who m.1711 Ann (_____)." I have found his
web site full of insight into my Virginia connection.
http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/surnames.htm As a new member of the
list, perhaps this is well known among you.

Also if you think you are descended Jane Poythress and from Pochahantas,
check out http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1001/PowhatanTree.gif.		01/27/1999 10:29:46
Update to Brunswick HistoryCharles NealLyn,

THANKS so much for letting us know of this. She did a super job on the
earlier version, and I look forward to more of her good work.

BPN

01/27/1999 11:20:48
Florida Muster RollsCharles NealRe: "Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars" listing of
Poythress, James Pvt. 07:017-18, 07:021-22
and Maynard's question "Could James be our Screven County James P.
Poythress?"

(I know that Al Tims in about 11/97 mentioned this, and he mentioned that
the Seminole Indian Wars extended from 1817 to 1858.)

My initial impression was then & still is "Yes, this could be the James P.
Poythress who came down to FL from Screven Co, GA." I'd still love for us
to get a look at the details to try to prove or disprove that theory. If
it is the same James P. Poythress, then it gives us the logical reason of
why James P. Poythress re-located to Gadsden County, FL -- i.e. He had been
down there for war, & liked what he saw.

That part of FL is immediately below GA, and not too far south of the
stateline, by the way. This is also very near where George Poythress got
land in adjacent Jackson Co, FL in July 1827 and later died, leaving his
will that mentioned his brother Lewis back in VA. It was a copy of this
will that ended up in, I believe Burke Co, GA, due to property he had
there.

We already knew that a James P. Poythress showed up in Gadsden Co, FL
sometime during the early 1800s, because his name was on a January 1828
list of the Masons who helped found the Masonic Lodge at Quincy, in Gadsden
Co, FL, "Washington Lodge Number 2" under a special dispensation granted by
the Grand Lodge of the State of GA." This indicates to me that the
founders were apparently previously Masons in Georgia, who had re-located
to FL and wanted to have a Lodge in Quincy. (Per David A. Avant Jr.'s 1985
book, __Illustrated Index toJ. Randall Stanley's History of Gadsden County
[FL] 1948__ published by Avant in Tallahassee)

James Poythress voted in Chattahoochee, FL in the first statewide election
in 1845. (Chattahoochee looks to be about 40 miles from Quincy from
checking my Rand McNally Road Atlas).

Then James P. Poythress also got land on 9 Jan 1846, in Gadsden County, per
__Florida Land: Records of the Tallahassee and Newnansville General Land
Office 1825-1892__ by Alvie Davidson, Heritage Books 1989.

BPN		01/27/1999 11:20:50
Dinwiddie Co. Va Publick ClaimsStarrI recently purchased the little booklet of VA Publick Claims
for Dinwiddie Co. For those who don't know about these, they are a
great way of finding where your ancestors were living during the RW
period. As background I should explain that when quartermasters from
the British forces visited homesteads, they simply stole what they
needed in the way of food, fodder, horses, wagons and guns. The
"soon to be Americans" helped themselves as well, BUT they left behind
pieces of paper listing what they took. These were turned into the
local courthouses beginning 1781 and eventually, hopefully money was
returned for whatever was taken. I've seen these claims used to pay
taxes -- which helped the farmer, but not the county which badly needed
currency. [Not wanting to step on anyone's toes, I should add that SOME
farmers were happy to give food stuffs -- and I'm sure ALL Poythresses
fall into this category. ]

Page numbers are to the original books of publick claims.

Court 17 APR 1782
p. 2 Peter Poythress for 8 days waggonage for Cont. £4
Peter Poythress for 727 bu wheat for Cont. £144-4; for 308 bu
wheat for Cont. £3-116; for 3625# beef for Cont. £46-8-11

Court 18 APR 1782
p. 5 Miss Mary Poythress for 2 beeves 800# £10

Court 20 APR 1782
p. 12 Peter Poythress 4 beeves £15

3 MAY 1782
p. 22 Peter Poythress for 2 horses for Cont. £45-7
Rawleigh PORTIUS Downman for 1 beef ... [just saw the name on
same page and wondered if it was significant?]

18 NOV 1782
p. Joshua Poythress for craft & hands for Cont. £100

Should anyone wonder, none of your guys appear in Halifax Co.
Publick Claims. Linda

Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy
for RANKIN / ORR pictures
pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/photos.htm		01/27/1999 11:58:51
Re: Roll CallCraig R. ScottCraig R. Scott here.

Benjamin Poythress of Petersburg, Va. who died about 1866 is the farthest
that I have traveled down the Poythress path without a stumble. Beyond 1849
the fog is pretty thick.

C.

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications
01/27/1999 12:03:27
Re: Effingham CemeteriesIn a message dated 1/28/99 12:14:05 AM Atlantic Standard Time, VKRatliff
writes:

<< Bud, all those folks look even stranger to me than the ones down in
Newington. Off the top of your head, do you figure them to be "yours" in the
sense of being offspring of Meredith, Jr. & Hester Wilder Mock or do you
figure they came from somewhere else entirely??? >>

To: Maynard and Debbie Freeman (take note of the last listing):

Yep, you've about dug up my folks at Goshen Methodist Church Cemetery in you
message of 1/27/98 11:59:28 PM.

It was Goshen Methodist Church that William H. and wife Janie [Hutchinson]
Poythress transferred their membership too from Mizpah Methodist Church after
they left Newington territory and Screven County. for Effingham County

Item #'s:

3 & 7) - My grandparents William H. and Janie E. [Hutchinson} Poythress;

2) - should read - "Infant son" of Mr. & Mrs. J. E. Poythress (not I.E.
Poythress), and are my parents;

4 & 5) - John Addison and Mary Elizabeth [Zipperer] Poythress - my Dad's #3
brother etc., and yes those b. dates are correct! - Uncle Addison was; 2-1/2
years older than my Dad, and was the first child of W.H. & Janie to be born in
Effingham County following their move from Screven County. And YES, Uncle
Addison married his best friends widowed mother! They had NO children and
following WWI, he became a Police Officer and remained such for many years in
Miami, FL until he retired.

1, 5 & 8) - "Infant daughter," 5) - T. Milton Poythress & 8) - William Hull
Poythress were children of and the two oldest sons of Theodore Hull
Poythress, my Dad's oldest brother (and brothers of Johnny Poythress of
Rincon, GA, whom you've met Maynard). My Uncle Hull and Aunt Mae [Doyle] are
buried in Savannah's Bonaventure (Sp.?0) Cemetery.

6) - 16 year old (actually - her daughter says) Viola Poythress, wife of
Montague Matthew Poythress (my Dad's second oldest brother). Vioila died in
the "birth" of her only child, Althea P. Sharpe, 84 year old widow, presently
living in Savannah.

And especially to Debbie Freeman - (this is the cemetery I could not readily
recall the name of, and the same cemetery where your Sheddie Usher and his
wife are buried).

Bethel Lutheran Church Cemetery just north of Springfield, GA :

1) - The Minnie Poythress here is in reality: Minnie Louise [Seckinger]
Poythress, 1st wife of Gazzie H. Poythress, and one of Debbie's folks. But
husband "Gazzie H. Poythress" is buried at North Newington Baptist Church
Cemetery with his 2nd wife Beulah B. -?- near Newington (which is only a
couple or so miles from Bethel Cemetery.)

That's All,....... Folks,

Bud		01/28/1999 1:45:45
ROLL CALLHi Cousins!

I'm still lurking! I have yet to unravel my Tabitha Poythress-Henry
Randolph mystery. Who was Tabitha's mother? I keep an eye out for
info on earlier Poythress kin.

Elise Courtney H. Markham

01/28/1999 4:01:32
Jack PoythressCharles NealA. Lynn,

Good to hear from yet another Poythress living here in Calif. I just
checked my listings because your husband's line of Poythress names sounded
familiar, but I cannot find any of those exact names. However, if I have
stored the names reversing the first & middle names from the way you gave
them, it would be very difficult to find them.

Do you have the maiden names of the wives of any of them, so I can check
that way, too, to see if I already have anything on that line of Poythress
folks?

And/or do you have the names of any siblings for either the grandfather,
"Jack" Frederick Elmo D'Arthur Poythress (who was b. 14 Jun 1901, d 22
April 1963 per your message), or for the great-grandfather, Horace
Frederick Poythress?

If so, any of those names would help on checking for possible further info
for you.
Thanks,

BPN		01/28/1999 4:23:31
Bingo ..another portuguese stonemasonJean SpilleI know Horace...and you can bet your life Laura Belle had a bunch of
Indian blood.

Forgive me, I just had to hop in...but I am not as high tech as the rest
of you and I will have to pull out all my census data.And when I say
out, I mean out of the box where I keep them! Anyway he is from
Northampton or Halifax County North Carolina. Give me thirty minutes.

Oh boy, cousins, we are on another roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I am very excited
and so glad you joined us, Lyn.

Jean P.

01/28/1999 4:44:51
HoraceLynn, you have me mildly intrigued by that given name Horace. I had a
grandfather and an uncle and a 2 distant cousins named Horace. In only one
instance was it clearly a "Junior" situation.

I have often wondered where it came from.....but perhaps further back than we
think since my folks (with no known Horaces up until then) left
Virginia for Georgia say, 1785 or so.

Maybe it will turn up in Virginia.

Maynard		01/28/1999 4:45:50
Re: Jack PoythressCharles NealWell, Lynn, I guess they are just familiar-sounding names -- I cannot find
any of them in my listing. In searching, I did find one Arthur John (or
John Arthur) Poythress, who was known as "Buster," but that sure isn't very
close to Jack. And though there was a sister Ann, and a brother Ralph Lee
Poythress, those aren't quite Annie & Robert Lee; the other siblings' names
didn't match up at all. And I don't have a single Laura Belle.

If you've lurked for a long time, you may have seen some of Jean's messages
that have previously mentioned a "Turner" surname as one that indeed had
Indians in a line. There was a great article in, I believe the National
Gen'l Society Quarterly a few years ago on that.

How about anybody else out there? Any of her (below) info fit in with
anyone else's line? If so, I'd love to have enough to identify these folks
so the next time their names pop up, I'll have it retrievable.
Thanks, BPN
> > >

Horace Frederick Poythress (no dates available) married Laura Belle Turner
(supposedly some Indian blood in her). Their children included:

Jack (Frederick Elmo D'Arthur) Poythress
b. 14 Jun 1901, d 22 April 1963
Jack married 12/20/1924 Bertha Lee Forbes (b. 10/21/1903 d. 5/21/1990)
Jack is buried Maplewood Cemetery, Wilson, NC

Jack's siblings names (no dates available) were:
Laura Belle
Annie
Bill (William)
Calvin
Robert Lee		01/28/1999 5:17:06
re: roll call I'm another long time lurker (when the computer works, that is). I
descend from Burwell Green(e) who married Anne Poythress. Burwell Green was
the grandson of Peter Green and Anne Burwell of RI. Peter settled at Lawnes
Creek. I have no documentation, all hearsay.
What a facinating list to read!

01/28/1999 6:08:56
Horace PoythressJean SpilleLyn,

I have the following information on your line:
Marriage certificate at Halifx Co., NC
Nov. 23, 1889,
Horace Portis, age 20 of Northampton County, colored, the son of Lovel
Portis and Mandy Portis, the father now living, the mother now living in
Northampton County North Carolina and Laura B. Turner
of Northampton County, age 18, colored, daughter of Allen Turner and
Edderid Turner, the father living, the mother living, residents of
Northampton Co. ,
Book 4 page 34 Halifax Co. Marriage records.

I have lots of stuff on Lovel and I am sure that Lovel Portis is the
same as Lovel Poythress/Portress. He is the son of James Poythress,
born ca. 1795 and Sarah Crowder Poythress who were married in
Northampton County in 1896.

My great grandfather Richard Poythress was Lovel's brother!

On the 1910 Northampton County North Carolina Census I find the
following:

Poythress, Horace head age 41 widower
, Stephen, son age 16
, Brutus, son age 15
, Ozinie, daughter, age 14
, Fate (or it could be Tate), son age 10
, Elmo D., son, age 9
, Essie, daughter, age 5
, Edward, son, age 3
Newsome, Lillie Mae, servant, age 22

Now all these folks are enumerated as black...however written at the
side of the page is "River Road Portuguese"

If you remember...these are mixed blood people with a lot of Indian
blood...probably Saponi or Nottoway.

I have copied the official school records of three of Horace's
children(evidently by another wife since the 1910 census shows him as a
widower)
.
They attended Bethany School, Gaston, NC. This is the "portuguese"
school I have been writing about.

They are as follows:

Horace Calvin Poythress, father Horace Poythress, born in 1924.

Bertha Poythress, father Horace Poythress, brothers - Calvin & Robert
Lee, date of birth 1927. (Bertha was still living about three years ago)

Robert Lee Poythress, father Horace Poythress, date of birth 1930. (I
understand Robert Lee is dead)

Oh and there is more...but that ought to get you started.

There are folks in Northampton who remember Jack Poythress. My cousin
Julia Poythress Wheeler just spoke with Ace Turner, age 66 and he
remembers Jack, but most especially Robert Lee.

Jean Poythress		01/28/1999 6:12:20
Thomas RolfeJ.D. WeeksI noticed the name Thomas Rolfe in a post. My Rollo line was supposed
to be Rolfe originally. I have not been able to get past William Rollo
b. abt. 1750 in SC. Very interesting. It pays to look at every post
whether or not your name is in the subject line. I have "found" a ton
of info this way.

J.D.
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Bertha PoythressTeresa WillisI am just wondering if any of the Barbaras on this list are kin to Bertha
Poythress of Gaston NC. I know thought she had a daughter named Barbara
that lives in CA.

Teresa
Toot@jnent

01/28/1999 6:42:31
Poythress and TurnerSarah PoythressLynn,

Your message rung a bell. I have a copy of the death certificate for Stephen
G. Poythress. When I learn how to use my scanner to send with e-mail I will
see
copy, if you like. He died 17 March 1924 in Vance County, Henderson, NC.
Listed
as white male, age 29. Father H.R. Poythress, birthplace NC. Mother Laura
Turner, birthplace NC.
Wife Ethel Poythress (No maiden name), birth day, month & year unknown.
Informant
B.L. Poythress.

Sarah		01/28/1999 6:55:53
Fw: CemeteryTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis
To: Poythress list
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:51 PM
Subject: Cemetery

>Found out from a family friend today that there are several Poythress
>teenagers that died here in Brunswick Co, buried in a Clary family
cemetery.
>Unfortunately, she said there are no dated markers. She said that her
>husbands great-grandfather always told this story. She is supposing that
>this was in the 1800's. Even though there are no dates or names, I thought
>it might be of interest.
>
>Teresa
>Toot@jnent.com
>		01/28/1999 7:09:17
Re: Shelby Co., Ala.BPN, thanks much for the Shelby Co., AL, lead. That work is on hold
right now. My small time for family research is even smaller right now
and is divided among 1) my Poythress grave markers project, 2) other
names correspondence and 3) Poythress correspondence; in rough priority
order. The grave markers project is a bit daunting because I have
resolved to memorialize every person buried in both cemeteries. It seems
that, like some mass murder story, new bodies keep turning up. Right now
the combined count for both cemeteries is at 13, of which 4 are my
ancestors. When we (my mother and I) started research, we had maybe 7 of
the needed 26 dates. Now there are one relationship and two dates
remaining to be found. Along the way we have learned much of interest
about these people and their families.

Please share what are your research priorities these days - both in
general and on Poythress lines.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Horace PoythressCharles NealJean & Sarah & Lynn,

I am so glad to see all this info pouring out to identify this family line!
I'm getting a bit confused, though, from a couple of your messages, Jean.

1) You mentioned re Bethany School, Gaston, NC: "This is the "portuguese"
school I have been writing about." Did I miss (or sleep thru ) some
recent message, or was that a long-ago message? I don't remember any
message from you about that.

2) In your 1/26 "roll call" message, you mentioned being able to prove back
to your gggrandfather James Poythress "b. 1804 in Northampton Co, NC" but
just now in your "Horace Poythress" message, you referred to "James
Poythress,
born ca. 1795" Would be very interested in knowing the best-guess on his
year of birth, and source for it.

3) You also mentioned in same "Horace" message "James Poythress and Sarah
Crowder Poythress who were married in
Northampton County in 1896" Apparently at least one of those digits in the
year of marriage is a typo, so would appreciate having the correct year,
and more specific date & source if you have that handy.

Thanks so much for sharing the info. Great work.
BPN		01/28/1999 7:59:05
Re: roll callSo Ruth, any chance you could help Sarah Poythress and Kevin Poythress
explore whether Edward and Mahala are their ancestors? -lpb

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:38:52 +0000 "Ruth O. Kauffman"
writes:
>My interest lie with the family of Edward Poythress, son of Lewis
>Poythress and Patsey Elizabeth Giles, m to Mahala Nance, 10 Dec,
>1828.in
>Mecklenburg Co. Va. In the 1850 census their children are listed as
>Sarah A., Harreitt, and George.
>
>Thanks.
>Ruth O Kauffman
>kauffman@acnet,net
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: ROLL CALLYa'll hear enough from me regularly, but, in compliance with Maynard's
directive, my answer to roll call follows: I am a
one-generation-daughtered-out Poythress originating from Brunswick Co.,
Va., and now residing with my wonderfully patient wife and not-so-patient
young children in Spring, Texas. I am a third-great-grandson of Lewis
Poythress of Mecklenburg Co., Va., born ca. 1760-70, died ca. 1845-48 and
his second wife, Rebecca B. Taylor, born ca. 1770-75, died ca. 1845-46.
My primary research interest is finding all my ancestors, at least as far
back as Noah. (From Noah back we have sound documentation.)
Incidentally, I am the (almost) namesake of my grandfather, Lynn
Poythress.

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OPPS - Horace PoythressJean SpilleBarbara and the list...

Barabara,

It is time for me to slow down and take a breath.

The marriage date for James Poythress and Sarah Crowder is 15 January
1827.(OPPS)

According to the 1850 Northampton NC census James Portis was 65 years
old making him born 1785. (opps)

Jean Poythress
Thanks for picking these inconsistencies out. I was excited to get it
posted.

Jean		01/28/1999 8:28:32
Re: Update to Brunswick HistoryBPN and Carol, my information came from a back issue of the South Hill
Enterprise, which also stated that the first edition is now sold out. I
could not honestly class the Enterprise in the first tier of genealogical
publications, but it does occasionally come in handy. -lpb

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:06:33 -0500 "Carol A. Morrison"
writes:
>Just a note which may not be valid anymore. . . but last time I was
>in
>Lawrenceville, you could go to the city offices behind the courthouse
>and
>still buy a copy of the original.
>
>Cam
>
>llbaird@juno.com wrote:
>
>> Some of you are familiar with BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1720-1975
>as a
>> resource. I have found both the narrative and the source materials
>> appended to be quite useful. The original is now out of print.
>Its
>> author, Gay Neale, has been commissioned by the Brunswick
>Historical
>> Society to write a revised edition, scheduled for publication in
>> September 1999. The price, including shipping and handling, is
>expected
>> to be around $35. Copies may be reserved by writing Brunswick
>County
>> Historical Society, P. O. Box 554, Lawrenceville, VA 23868. The
>Society
>> asks that no money be sent at this time.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lyn Poythress Baird
>> llbaird@juno.com
>>
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Bertha PoythressTeresa WillisJean,

Yes I do know the Bertha Poythress in Gaston,she is my grandfathers sister.
There are 3 of his siblings left living. One lives her in Brunswick Co.
,one in Roanoke Rapids NC, and she in Gaston NC. I spoke to her the first
of this week . She couldn't tell me much about the family,but said she has
a bible with some names dates so forth. I have never heard about this
school. I am very interested in it and I hope someone can tell me the exact
location. Is it still standing? I live only about 20 minutes from her and
plan to visit her to view the bible. I well ask her about the Portuguese.
To my knowledge she has lived in North Hampton Co. for at least 30 or 40
years. As for Southampton Co VA, she may have lived there with her husband,
but she was raised here in Brunswick Co..

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		01/28/1999 10:26:49
Pocahontas portarit sitethis is the second "official" portrait of her. This maybe atributed to
artist Victor Nehlig who lived 1830-1909. or Richard Norris Brooke.
They may be closer to relatives of the artist than factual. {as an
artist, I am aware of trying to be photographically correct but sneak in
self portrait elements unconsciously}
http://cicada.honors.uiuc.edu/cicada.honors.uiuc.edu/eng255/gallery/colonial/pocahontas.html		01/28/1999 11:22:52
Hi LynnHey, welcome. Lurk away. We egotists need the attention.

And if your husband's grandfather is named Jack I assume you know we have a
Jack Potress Mecklenburg County (VA) will floating around here somewhere.

And if that fails, Lyn P. Baird has a great Jack Poythress story.....as I
recall he was a guy in Mecklenburg County woods who couldn't make a living
selling whiskey and converted his "kettle" into a trial submarine that sank
with him in it...or something crazy like that.

Best,

Maynard

01/28/1999 11:37:22
MorrisTeresa WillisLyn,

You are correct about my grandmother being Virginia Morris Poythress and her
parents were Martha"Mattie" Jones and James G. Morris. But I do not know
much about this branch. Only one of grandma Virginia's brothers are still
living.

Also Lyn do you know if our Poythress branch is related to the "Indians".
All the relatives in my family around here are dark skin with black hair.
But my great-grandmother,Sara Lynch, Willie T.'s wife was half "Indian'
which could account for these features.

You also wrote about 2 cemeteries you are researching. Which ones are they?
And please tell me where James David and Thomas M. are buried(Brodnax and
Blackridge ? where)

Maynard mentioned a story that you have told about Jack Poythress and his
moonshine kettle. Tell me about this. Do you know if the Andrew J. listed
as son of Thomas M. was "Jack" (Andrew Jackson). My grandfather often spoke
of Uncle Peter and Uncle Jack.

There is another book about the history of Brunswick that was published
last year, I saw an ad in the paper but never got a copy. I am working on
getting one of these. You may know what I am referring to.

Do we have any connection to the Horace and or Jack that have been mention?
Northampton and Halifax Co. are so close to Brunswick , it makes me think we
might. Northampton Co. is only about a 1/2 mile through the woods. And the
old Poythress farm surrounding the "rock" is about a mile west of me. I
believe some of our clan slipped over to NC.

One other thing. Have you researched the Jones branch ("Mattie" Jones-James
G). I am asking because my great Aunt on my fathers side (Susie Abernathy
Jones) believes her husband is connected to this Jones branch but she is
stuck on one name that is around 1800. She is an old hand at the genealogy
game,having traced her Abernathy family back 3 generations to Scotland. She
is helping me some and she has copies of many helpful books I can borrow.

Sorry to be so long, but I haven't had a chance to be on this in a while, so
all the info has just piled up. Please do send some info to me at 7921
Gasburg Rd , Valentines VA 23887.

Hope to hear from you soon,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		01/28/1999 11:45:12
Horace Poythress - second wifeCharles NealGood help, Lynn. Thank your husband for us, please. It's amazing to me
how we have to, as you say, squeeze some more info out of our elders. I
realize that many of them have seen for years (decades) that their younger
generation, especially as kids & teens, weren't interested in meeting,
visiting, or even talking much about, the really old members of the family.
Guess during that stage of life our parents & aunts & uncles have all
their valuable knowledge about their family line just sort of sift down
into the deeper memory banks. Then when we DO start asking about the
elders and the ancestors, the memories have to sort of percolate up to the
surface, sometimes more readily and sometimes only after more reminders of
names & photos & talk of 'way back when.

It's iportant to get all the info we can, while there are still older
generations around to help.
BPN

01/29/1999 1:00:27
Re: Horace Poythress - second wifeJean SpilleA. Lynn Poythress wrote:
>
> My husband talked to his dad and squeezed some more information out
> of him. There was definitely a second wife - her name was Rose
> (again, she was supposed to have Indian blood!). Apparently, Calvin,
> Bertha, William, Laura Belle, Robert Lee, and Annie were the
> offspring of Horace and Rose. Jack was Horace and Laura B. Turner's
> son. He must be the Elmo D. in the census.
>
> He also seemed to remember that Mandy and Lovel were the parents of
> Horace, so maybe we're getting somewhere.
>
> Lynn
>
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Lynn,

I want to try to give you some insight as to why your father-in-law is
not forthcoming with information about the old ones. The following is
the text of a newspaper report which appeared in the The Virginian-Pilot
Norfolk, Va, Sunday Jan. 26, 1958.

Century-old Stigma Remains
"Portuguese" Youngsters Segregated in Carolina"

By Luther J. Carter
JACKSON, N.C. A tiny group of "Portuguese" children occupies a narrow,
forsaken middle zone in Northampton County's segregated school system.
Eighteen pupils, aged six to 16 attend the Bethany School, a
one-classroom cinder-block building tucked away in a pine grove in the
county's northwest corner just below Emporia, Va. The shabbily clad
children come from widely scattered homes in Gaston Township, some of
them walking six miles to reach the school.
These innocents bear a stigma imprinted at least 100 years ago. The
approximately 16 "Portuguese" familie now living in the county are
further siolated from their white and Negro neighbors by a 35-year old
legislative act creating for them the separate school
Why? For one thing there is a widely held belief among the county's
white residents that these people are descendants of Northerners who
mingled with free Negroes in pre-Civil War days, with some intermarriage
taking place.
The origin of these people, and how they came to be known as
Portuguese, is obscure. Apparently illiterate, just as some still are
today, they left little or no records relating to their history.
Hearsay, specualtion, unsubstantiated theories are all that is let.
The hard lot of the present day "Portuguese" is easly enough to
document, however. Unwilling to associate with the Negroes, and
generally unwated by the whites, their tradition of ill luck and
ignorance is being perpetuated. Only those who leave the county appear
to have a chance to escape this curious web of circumstance.

A Stange Blend
The Bthany School is a strange blend of the modern and antiquated.
Built several years ago to replace an older building that burned, its
front consists largely of glass and steel framing, and, inside, modern
circular light fixtures hang above the rows of desks.
Against the rear wall there is a pot-bellied coal stove. Behind the
building one sees a hand-operated water pump and a privy.
The teacher, Miss Osceola T. Crew, a slim, white-haired spinster who 17
years ago went to the school after the superintendent asked her if she
wanted to do some "mission work", occupies a role that has all but
vanished in American educations
The grades are from the first through the eighth and she teaches them
all. In nealy every grade the children vary one to three yeears in age
and most are over age for their grade. One third-grader, a 15-year old
child who recently had a brain tumor removed, Miss Crew described as
"almost a mental case."

Slow Progress
The other children, she says, are of average ability, with a few above
average. Their progress is slow because of poor attendance.
State law fixes the public school year at 180 days. Miss Crrew
estimates, that on the average, her pupils are in class somewhere around
100 days
Various reasons are given for this. She says most of the children come
from farm homes whose "economic condition is terrible". In the spring
and fall the parents want the children to help with the crops.
Normally, attendance is best in mid-winter, but when a reporter visited
the school recently one-third of the class was absent. "Hog killing
time," Miss crew explained.
The fact that the county operates no school bus for these children
contributes to the bad attendance, particularly in inclement weather.
Miss Crew picks up some of the pupils each morning, but others must
walk.
Another explannation, which appears especially important where the
older children are concerned, is indifference. Some of the pupils
undoubtedly regard the Bethany School as an academic dead end.
The county provides no high school instruction for the Portuguese.
They are not allowed to attend the white high schools and do not wish to
attend the Negro School

How It Happened
How did all this come about?
Judge W.H.S. Burgwyn of Woodland, who has served in both the state
House of Representatives and Senate, caused to be passed by the 1923
session of the General Assembly a law stating, "that the people known as
'Portuguese'...shall have a separate school from the white and colored
schools..."
Two years later, the Assembly enacted a law permitting the same people
to register themselves as "Portuguese" on the voter registration books.
Burgwyn hazily recalled the 1923 school law, but when first asked about
the registration law he drew a blank. His best recollection was that he
introduced the school bill at the behest of the Portuguese. This county
school officials were in accord with the proposal but did not
origininate it.
"I don't know why they called themselves Portuguese," Burgwyn says,
then indicates he introduced the bills chiefly out of sympathy.

'A Forloin Group'
"I had a distint belief that they were not Negroes," he explains. "I
just thoguht that they were a forlorn group of people who come here from
some foreign place. They were not accepted by white people and they
didn't want to associate with Negroes."
Many were "blue-eyed and sandy-haired" he remembers and bore names that
were not of English origin. (However, pupils now attending the Bethany
names as Bass, Scott, Peters, Turner and Hobbs)
Before the enactmant of the special school law the Portuguese
apparently did not send their children to school at all or sent them to
a private school Miss Crew has heard that the Bethany Mission Church
(now the Bethany Methodist Church where the Portuguese still go) and a
private school were organized during the decades immediately after the
turn of the century.

Has No Illusions
N.L.Turner, a pleasant, easy going man, has been superintendent of
county schools for 19 years. He has no illusions about the quality of
education provided the Portuguese, but seems to see no way of giving
them something better.
He thinks that consolidating the Bethany Schoool with the white schools
wouldn't work. "The white folks just never accepted them here," he
remarks. A step toward consolidation might be to admit pupils finishing
Bethany to the white high school at Gaston. But not long ago a girl who
wanted to enter this school was rejected.
For such a pupil the county will offer to pay only $25 a month toward
his room and board bill if he wants to attend a high school in another
county. Some pupils have done this and been readily accepted by white
schools. Rarely is one rebuffed.
Asked about the lack of school bus service for the Bethany pupils,
Turner replies, "They never asked for any. The fact is that they're so
scattered you couldn't get to them."
The poor attendance of the pupils, coupled with the fact that there is
no high school for them, raises the question of the enforcement of the
compulsory attendance law.
"The law is not enforced," Turner says without hesitatin. "It is not
enforced anywhere, not in this county or anywhere else," He believes
the regular attendance of pupils is virtually impossible without the
cooperation of parents and suggests that cooperation of Bethany famiiles
is often lacking.
What about the future" What is to become of the Portuguese? With the
air of one who prefers to let history run a free course, Turner replies,
"It'll take care of itself. There aren't half as many of them now as
when I first came. They'll eventually go away. Some marry colored,
othere will marry white."

submitted by Jean Poythress		01/29/1999 5:22:11
Warren MarriagesThere's a great repository of Warren Co., N.C., marriage records on the
Internet, contributed by Nola Duffy. There are about 600 marriages
during 1764 to 1799 and about 1000 during 1800 to 1825. No Poythresses
found, not even a maybe or a wannabe. However, names of interest to
listers include Dortch, Nance, Hicks, Cleaton, Barner, Wall, Winn,
Royster, Taylor and Traylor. The direct URL is
. Caution: The 1800-1825
list is not consistent as to order of groom and bride. Also, the lists
are sorted in date order - quite inutile for family research. To make
the resource more user-friendly I would suggest that one download,
convert to delimited text and paste into a spreadsheet application. By
doing this I was able to create a cross-index combining bride and groom
for easy search or browse. This could also be done in a document (table)
or in a database. Thanks to USGenWeb, Lofthouse Publishing (whatever you
are) and especially to Nola Duffy (whoever you are) for this great
resource!

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Horace Poythress - second wifeCliff TownsendMaynard,
I have made a list of the Roll Call and don't find my name on it. Do you know
what happened to my response? Just thought you'd like a copy of this list of
the ones that responded.(as of 29 Jan. '99)
sheryl

Roll Call for POYTHRESS-L

Answered the roll:
John M. Poythress
Ruth O. Kauffman
J.D. Weeks
hermitage
Lou Poole
Barbara Jean Poythress Spille
Debra Freeman
Cindy Lamb
Kevin N. Poythress
Sarah Poythress
Lyn Poythress Baird
Kenneth Larsen
Linda Starr
Diana C. Diamond
Craig R. Scott
Phyllis B. Lassiter
Barbara Poythress Neale
A. Lynn Poythress
Elise Courtney H. Markham
Patti P. Koscheski

Others:
Al Tims
Bud Poythress
Barbara Prestridge
Carol Garrett
Helene ?
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ?
Teressa Willis

Charles Neal wrote:

> Good help, Lynn. Thank your husband for us, please. It's amazing to me
> how we have to, as you say, squeeze some more info out of our elders. I
> realize that many of them have seen for years (decades) that their younger
> generation, especially as kids & teens, weren't interested in meeting,
> visiting, or even talking much about, the really old members of the family.
> Guess during that stage of life our parents & aunts & uncles have all
> their valuable knowledge about their family line just sort of sift down
> into the deeper memory banks. Then when we DO start asking about the
> elders and the ancestors, the memories have to sort of percolate up to the
> surface, sometimes more readily and sometimes only after more reminders of
> names & photos & talk of 'way back when.
>
> It's iportant to get all the info we can, while there are still older
> generations around to help.
> BPN
>
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Re: ROLL CALL> Thought it was time I answered the roll call. Born a Poythress, I have
> always wanted to find my roots back as far as they would take me. I am a
> great-grand daughter of James Speed Poythress.[ I am also on the route to
> find the other side of my family...Robinson,Dunn,Bates, Parris and Foster.
> Such common names and so little documentation. Especially on the Parris and
> Foster connections.] Patti P.Koscheski

>
>
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Two Middle NamesLynn: re ouple of things to keep an eye out for as you get back into the
years: (Elmo D'arthur perhaps being an example of # 2).

1) Jr. is not always the son of Sr. The further back you go the more likely
it is to simply mean the younger and the elder.....but of course it also CAN
mean "Jr." as we conventionally use it now....just not always. And the "not
always" is frequent enough to question it when it shows.

2) Also, it was a quite common convention in 1700's to name a child after a
big guy in town.....perhaps to curry favor, perhaps out of admiration or get
in his will maybe. I always at least put the issue on my question list when I
see a guy with something as illogical as Washington, etc. and/or when the guy
has two middle names.

Maynard		01/29/1999 8:37:12
Portuguese SchoolCharles NealJean,

Thank you so much for posting it to the List! Great job getting it out to
us, and full of info to help understand the situation.
BPN

01/29/1999 10:48:01
Warren MarriagesCharles NealLyn,

Thanks so much for letting us know of this. Will have to check it out.
BPN

01/29/1999 10:48:07
Bertha PoythressCharles NealTeresa,

Please be sure to make a copy of everything in Bertha Poythress' Bible, and
of the publication date at the front, which is usually in the tiny print on
the bottom of the title page, and which sometimes is also at the bottom of
the New Testament's title page, in case the cover of the Bible & first
pages are missing due to old-age. If the Bible cannot leave the residence
or is to fragile for photocopying, be sure to carefully write down
everything, whether or not it is information that you now realize will be
helpful.

Last week, a friend of mine was telling me of having copied much (but not
all) of a relative's Bible information many years ago when she & her
husband were travelling thru the town where the relative lived. She was in
a hurry & didn't take time to copy everything because she assumed she could
do so later. There was a subsequent fire, and the original Bible was
totally burned up. So for years now, her handwritten hasty transcription
of part of it, is the only thing that has been available.

We'll all be looking forward to the information you are able to get about
departed Poythress folks.
BPN

01/29/1999 11:03:17
PortugueseTeresa WillisI am a new comer to this list, computers, family research and all this. I
have done very little research and ground work. I said before that I had
never heard about the Portuguese School in Jackson NC. But I have heard
stories passed from one generation to another and at this point can give
only this info. I always have been told that because it was illegal to
inter-marry with "Indians" that white people were always coming up with ways
to hide the fact that their intended was "an Indian". Like changing names
to Christian ones. Saying they were another race. It was not always
popular to have "Indian" ancestors. I have Poythress relatives that were
claiming to be Greek when asked about their "Indian" features. Does this
make sense to anyone?

Is there any evidence that they were truly Portuguese? Fill me in please.

I haven't done any research compared to you all, but just thought I would
make this observation.

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com

01/29/1999 12:08:58
Bertha PoythressCharles NealInteresting - Not me, though

BPN

01/29/1999 12:27:20
PoythressTeresa WillisJean,

Thank you for the location of Bethany School as Cal Floyd Road. Do you know
which vicinity this is? Is it toward Jackson NC of Emporia VA?

I have only been researching this branch of my family for 2 weeks, so I have
done very little ground work. I am planning library work one day next week.
The only census records I have looked at are the 1850 and 1870.

Teresa		01/29/1999 12:32:51
PoythressTeresa WillisJean,

Thank you for the location of Bethany School as Cal Floyd Road. Do you know
which vicinity this is? Is it toward Jackson NC of Emporia VA?

I have only been researching this branch of my family for 2 weeks, so I have
done very little ground work. I am planning library work one day next week.
The only census records I have looked at are the 1850 and 1870.

Teresa		01/29/1999 12:32:51
BibleTeresa WillisBarbara (BPW)

Thanks for the advise. I will do that and if tell me how I will scan and
send to everyone.

Teresa

01/29/1999 12:42:00
Re: Research PrioritiesCharles NealLyn,

Appreciate your responses. I (sheepish admission) thought I had looked &
not seen a FTM file, but upon receiving your message I tried again --
apparently tried the correct way today -- and found it. Yes, this one is
quite sufficient for me to use to try to see how the program works.
Thanks.

Re:. . "part of the cemeteries project, I have just completed a
"house-by-house" search of 1900, 1910 and 1920 covering the area roughly
from Gasburg (Brunswick) to Palmer Springs (Mecklenburg) and from Meherrin
River south to the North Carolina line - roughly 8 to 10 EDs depending on
year. I have transcriptions of all findings in Excel and would be glad to
share with you."

Wow, I know from my experience of looking house-by-house in Sumter Co, AL
how large a survey that was! It would be super to get a copy of your
findings in Excel. (Remembering how much wrestling with the data I had in
the Batte spreadsheet, in order to make it come out right, it occurs to me
that if you are going to send it to me as an attachment, perhaps it would
help if you also send me a text message about how many columns & rows I
should expect to find when I open it.)

Appreciate your list of helpful features in the 1900-1920 censuses & your
thoughts about them. And you can count on a reminder from me about getting
results from your cemeteries research. :-))

Thanks,
BPN		01/30/1999 3:53:13
RE: Twisdale and DortchSarah,
You wrote:

I found a couple of things a short while back that might interest you. In

the Mount Zion Church Cemetery at Ridgeway, NC, grave of James H. Twisdale,

1813 - 1898. I figure he is to old to be Lucy Poythress' husband, so maybe

his father. He was the only one buried there. I probably would not have

found him had it not been for the lady in charge of the cemetery being there

making a survey or something. Barbara I think

she said you had written or called her about it. Can't remember now.

Yes, this is James H. Twisdale, the father of Indiana Twisdale Poythress who
is buried in Elmwood Cemetery there in Henderson next to her husband Charles
David Poythress.

The other thing; between Manson, NC and Drewy, NC is a cemetery. I was

checking it out as my family (mother's side) is from Middleburg, NC. Some of

her distant family is there. Part of the cemetery is fenced in and looking

from the road, on the right side is a grave outside the fence under a tree.

Name on marker is O.J. Dortch, 1846 -1929.

Wrote it down at the time, because I thought it might mean something to the

list. I go

different places and make notes. Sometimes I get busy and forget to go back

to them for awhile. That is what happened with this info.

And this is fascinating Sarah, as I continue to search for information on the
Dortch family. David Poythress, the father of Charles David married twice,
first to Mary Speed Dortch, and secondly to Sally Dortch. And when Charles
David died in 1892 his newspaper obituary read " The remains were brought on
and interred at the old family homestead near Middleburg at 3:30 o'clock
Sunday afternoon." But Charles David's family plot is in Elmwood. Lyn Baird's
thought is that the family had him re interred after making their home in
Henderson.

Many thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Barbara (BPW)		01/30/1999 5:13:48
PorasSoundex for Poras is P620.

I could kill the guy who invented Soundex.

I have a neat little freebie utility called GenKit that figures Soundexes
instantly, Henry numbers, converts rods to feet, "phrases" relationships, and
a couple of other cute little tricks. It runs on DOS. I'll be happy to send
it to you or anybody else if you want it and IF I can figure out how to e-mail
it. I may need some coaching.

Maynard		01/30/1999 5:28:41
Re: PortugueseJean SpilleTeresa,

You are absolutely right and I am very interested in hearing more of the
oral tradition in your family about marrying NA and the Portuguese
school. The term 'portuguese' seems to have no basis in fact. All the
surnames that are listed as 'portuguese' have been in the Southside
Virginia and Northeastern North Carolina record books from very early
on. They are enumerated on the first census as free persons of color or
black.

I will post some information on the "racial purity" laws in Virginia and
W. Plecker's tenure as registrar of Vital Statistics in Virginia. Many
NA went to other states to marry to avoid these laws.

Jean P

01/30/1999 6:08:02
Re: Bertha Poythress' BibleTeresa,
May I also suggest that you take a camera and take snapshots of the Bible and
its pages in addition to hand copying. This was quite successful when I was
researching one time at a records office and there was no copy machine
available. I use 400 speed film and the best available light. Also great for
taking photos of other photos when the owners don't want to part with them to
be copied.
Barbara (BPW)		01/30/1999 6:21:42
ArchivesJean SpilleHow do you access the Poythress listserve archives?

Jean P.

01/30/1999 8:23:08
Roll CallCliff Townsendthis is
Sheryl Rowell Townsend e-mail: cctowns@thenett.com
My Poythress connection is with:
Mrs. Mary Poythress m. Capt. Robert Wynne with dau. Mary Wynne m. John
Woodliffe (connection through her marriage)
and also: Mary Poythress that m. a John Woodliff s/o Mary Wynne and
John Woodliffe. (connection through blood line)

On the Eppes I have a Norah m. George Woodliff (we have discussed
this with no conclusion I believe)

I believe my Woodliff / Wynne lines went from Henry Co. VA to Granville
Co NC and some in Charles City & Jordans Church, VA. Further down the
line they went to Forsyth Co
and Hall Co.'s GA and from there to Etowah Co. AL

I have the least to contribute on this line, but do wait for a
connection to be made.
Thanks,
sheryl

01/30/1999 9:06:49
Re: roll callOK, Ruth, a fair response. Here's a different line of interrogation:
Some time back I ran across citations regarding the 4 Dec 1830 death of
former Virginia Governor William B. Giles, who was reported to have died
at his residence in Amelia. Any ideas on the relationship between
Governor Giles and our Edward Giles? Thanks in advance for your thoughts
on this.

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:05:00 +0000 "Ruth O. Kauffman"
writes:
>Lyn, IŽd love to help everybody but I got my info about this family
>from you people. I wrote Sarah with the idea of contacting the Nance
>crew to see if they have a follow up on Edward Poythress and Mahala
>Nance. They confirmed the name of EdwardŽs grandfather, Henry Edward
>Giles, for me. ( You gave me the will of Edward Giles). IŽm a real
>lurker, into everybodys mail list as I live out of the States and have
>to depend on othersŽ research. You people are GOOD. Best mail list
>yet!!! Keep it up!
>
>Ruth
>kauffman@acnet.net
>

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Research PrioritiesBPN, comments and answers follow:

1) You are welcome to the cemeteries research information. When done I
can compile and send you. Reminders are welcomed.

2) Great to hear you are canvassing the census across the South. What a
monumental task! As a part of the cemeteries project, I have just
completed a "house-by-house" search of 1900, 1910 and 1920 covering the
area roughly from Gasburg (Brunswick) to Palmer Springs (Mecklenburg) and
from Meherrin River south to the North Carolina line - roughly 8 to 10
EDs depending on year. I have transcriptions of all findings in Excel
and would be glad to share with you.

3) In using Soundex to find people I knew must be there, results were
spotty. For example, the spelling of James D. Poythress household in
1910 is "PORAS". I have not checked to see how this codes in Soundex,
but the household was NOT indexed in the P362 range. This drove me to
the house-by-house search.

4) Features in 1900 or 1910 I have found to be of special use follow
(none of which I found in the 1920 census):
a) Unique to 1900 is the recording of birth year and month. My gut
feel is that people more accurately recall when they were born than how
old they are.
b) Both show number of years married. This, of course, is great for
backtracking marriage records.
c) Unique to 1910 is the recording of whether the marriage is a first,
second, etc. marriage.
d) Both show number of children total and number living OF THE WIFE.
This helps identify deceased children and, in the case of a second
marriage, children of the first marriage.
e) The 1910 census has the unique feature of citing whether a person
is a Civil War veteran - nice, but a little late to score many hits, at
least for me.

5) Regarding interest in an FTM file for practice, were you aware there
is an FTM 3.4 file on the floppy I gave you in November? If this is does
not exactly fit the need, let me know.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Roll CallCliff Townsendthis is
Sheryl Rowell Townsend e-mail: cctowns@thenett.com
My Poythress connection is with:
Mrs. Mary Poythress m. Capt. Robert Wynne with dau. Mary Wynne m. John
Woodliffe (connection through her marriage)
and also: Mary Poythress that m. a John Woodliff s/o Mary Wynne and
John Woodliffe. (connection through blood line)

On the Eppes I have a Norah m. George Woodliff (we have discussed
this with no conclusion I believe)

I believe my Woodliff / Wynne lines went from Henry Co. VA to Granville
Co NC and some in Charles City & Jordans Church, VA. Further down the
line they went to Forsyth Co
and Hall Co.'s GA and from there to Etowah Co. AL

I have the least to contribute on this line, but do wait for a
connection to be made.
Thanks,
sheryl

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Hello, David. As a member of the Poythress list I have just received
this interesting information through our member Jean Poythress Spille. I
am writing with a few questions relating to my GUY ancestors.

In your message you write, 'Aside from the surnames you mentioned as
being common to the "Portuguese" settlement, the other common community
surnames were Jeffries, Stewart, Guy, Jones, Pompey, Dungee, Heathcock
and a few others.' I am a thrice-great-grandson of George GUY (b. ca.
1818 Va.) and his wife Betsey (b. ca. 1812 Va.). In the 1850 census they
are in Mecklenburg Co., Va. and are indicated "M" under race, which I
understand signifies "mulatto". (In the county for 1850 there are five
GUY households, one of which is classified black, the other four
mulatto.) I have no other information on George or Betsey. I have later
records of their daughter, Virginia, my twice-great-grandmother: her
1866 marriage to Thomas Morris, and their 1870 Mecklenburg and 1880
Brunswick census records. In the census records she, Thomas and the
whole household are listed as white. I do not recall any indication of
race in the marriage record.

This leaves me with some questions on which your comments would be
welcomed:

1) Because the 1850 census did not enumerate slaves, I am assuming my GUY
family are free persons of color of some nature. Is this a good
assumption?

2) In 1850 what could "mulatto" mean? Could it at that time only mean
half-white, half-black? Or could it have broader meaning, such as mixed
race in general? Typically how were the Portugese families categorized
as to race in the 1850 census?

3) How between 1850 and 1870 could Virginia GUY have "lost" her mulatto
race designation? Typically how were the Portugese families categorized
as to race in the 1870 census?

4) What is known about the GUY family of the
Greensville/Brunswick/Northampton Portugese community and could my GUY
family be related?

5) Who are researching or have researched the Portugese GUYs?

Thanks for your attention and any comments you might provide.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

PS: Thank you, Jean, for sharing this with the Poythress list!

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From: Jean Spille
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: Portuguese Settlement]

Maynard and the List,

Thanks for connecting me with this gentleman. He has substantiated much
of what I had long speculated about. Although, it is my line that goes
directly back to this settlement, I suspect that others on the list will
begin to build some connections. Many thanks,

Jean Poythress

Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:09:20 -0500
From: David Sciacchitano
Reply-To: ralevy@erols.com
Organization: Richard Levy Law Offices
To: Jean Spille
Subject: Portuguese Settlement

Many thanks for your e-mail.

1. The "Portuguese" settlement near Gaston is a remnant of a much
larger community that once existed in the area that was centered in what
is now Greensville County, and extending over into Brunswick. It
developed in the early part of the 18th century, and began to
disintegrate about the time of the Revolution and afterwards through
emigration to other parts of the South and to the Midwest, so that by
about 1850, there were only two remnants remaining, one being the
Portuguese settlement, and the other called "Freetown" in Brunswick
County along the line with Greensville southwest of Emporia. Freetown
seems to have disappeared by 1900 or so.

My primary interest is in the history of this larger community. Aside
from the surnames you mentioned as being common to the "Portuguese"
settlement, the other common community surnames were Jeffries, Stewart,
Guy, Jones, Pompey, Dungee, Heathcock and a few others. While these
surnames tend to be concentrated on one side of the border or another as
a result of land ownership, it is pretty clear that it was one large
settlement. The Heathcocks and Stewarts lived on both sides of the
border from its earliest days, a number of the Scotts married up in
Greensville County, and there are scattered references in Northampton
records to people who lived mainly on the Virginia side.

FYI: at one time there was a "Portuguese" school in Greensville County
for the handful of "Portuguese" families that lived there. It was
called Diamond Grove school, and appears to have been a former black
school that was turned overto the Portuguese for schooling. I do not
know how long it operated.

2. Turner is not necessarily a Nottoway name, although it is commonly
thought to be, and there certainly were Nottoway who carried the
surname. It does not occur among the Nottoway until a fairly late date,
however, and as you know it was a very common name in the area among all
groups, with several prominnet Turner families living in Greensville
just across the state line.

I have a deposition from a 19th century court case in Indiana pertaining
to a Mary Turner who was born in 1810 in Northampton County near Gaston,
just along the Greensville line in which she is described as mixed
Indian and white and to have descended from "an old Indian settlement in
the neighborhood". The Meherrin were not in that area after about 1680,
and the Nottoway never were there in historic times, except for raiding
parties. Any settlement referred to must have been Saponi, or a related
community, as the Saponi occupied that area after the Treaties of Middle
Plantation.

Of course it is possible that Mary Turner's father (said to have been
white) passed the Turner name to her, but in fact she appears to have
been illegitimate, and Turner was probably her mother's name. But I
think it is also possible that the Turner name moves east into the
Nottoway from the Greensville/Northampton area.

That is exactly what happend with another surname, Dungee or Dungill,
which is only found in Brunswick at an early date (1730's) but by 1800
almost had disappeared from Brunswick and Greensville through
emigration, but was increasingly common among some of the Powhatan
communities in Eastern Virginia (particularly the Pamunky, among whom
the Dungees intermarried). Ditto for the Stewart surname, which is one
of the common surnames among Eastern Virginia's Indians today, but which
did not enter those communities until about 1850, again probably from
the Greensville/Northampton area.

Please comment, as you have obviously looked at this long and hard.

3. The Poythress line is an interesting one and I know little about
it. I know the names of the Hardiman, Odom and John Poythress, but
little else. And of course I know that it was a fairly common and
sometimes prominent surname in certain Virginia counties. I have the
same impression as you do of the Poythresses who were in the Indian
trade, i.e., that they probably had Indian wives as well as proper white
wives back home.

But to give you another possibility, one of the mixed people from the
Greensville side, Charles Whitmore (born about 1765), who was
illegitimate and who appears to have had an Indian father and a white
mother, and not the other way around. It is possible that the Indian
ancestry among the Poythresses in Northampton comes in that way. I have
been told that the "Portuguese" Poythresses all descend from the three
brothers you mentioned. Is that true? Do you have any idea as to their
parents?

4. I would very much like to figure out the early Scott families in the
area. Some of them moved to Sumter County South Carolina about the time
of the Revolution, and I have several depositions on them, and on a
family of Cornetts (also from Northampton) who moved with them, that
were filed in South Carolina attesting to their Indian ancestry. These
depositions date from the late 1700s to about 1860. But I have not
found enough information on any of the Scotts to be able to put them
together with their relatives and ancestors in Northampton into a single
family grouping. It seems obvious that the Scotts who moved to Sumter
were related to those who remained behind, but how they are related I do
not know yet.

(I believe, by the way, that the Scott family is another likely to have
Saponi ancestry. The surname was one of the most common among the
Catawba at a very early date, and the Saponi and Catawba were closely
related politically and communally during the 18th century. It seems
likely to have passed into the Saponi community in Brunswick from the
Catawba, although it is always possible that it comes in through a
different route.)

5. Another family of interest to me is that of the Heathcocks. They
lived on both sides of the border, and at one time Heathcock was among
the most common surnames among these people. A sizeable number of the
Heathcocks served during the Revolution (ditto the Scotts, as you
probably know), and all of them, as far as I can tell, on both sides of
the stateline, emigrated after the War. By 1850, I think there was only
one Heathcock family in the immediate area (Roland Heathcock) living in
Greensville County. (But there were probably still one or two still
living in Southampton County, Virginia as well.)

You might find it interesting that there were some Heathcocks living in
parts of the Deep South a hundred years later, including some who
married among the Creeks in Alabama, who were still explaining their
background as "Portuguese". That is one of several reasons that you can
argue the "Portuguese" designation for your ancestors is quite a bit
older than the stories one hears (stonemasons in the 1820's, etc.).

The Heathcock family tree has been researched extensively by the late
Douglas Hathcock, but I think there is still more to be learned,
particularly in Northampton. For instance, Edward Heathcock, the
original Heathcock on the Northampton side of the line, owned
considerable land by the 1740s, but there is not record of a land patent
or purchase by him. The record might be lost, of course, but another
possibility is that he inherited through his wife. A study of land
patents in the area might turn up the name of the original owner, and
perhaps the surname of Edward Heathcock's wife, which at present remains
unknown.

The Heathcocks lived near Gaston along a creek called Arthur's creek in
the 18th century. I have not been able to place this creek with any
precision, and if you happen to know the modern name, I would appreciate
your telling me. A probable brother named Joseph Heathcock owned
considerable land just across the border in Brunswick.

6. Newsom is another name with which I am familiar, but which I have
never researched to any extent. Likewise Artis and some of the other
names that used to be common on the Northampton side of the border. I
have assumed that these names have some connection to the Nottoway, as
they appear to come down from Southampton County, but in that I could
easily be wrong.

7. Bass, of course, is traceable to the Nansemond, as I am sure you
know, although the Basses in Northampton cannot have had much Nansemond
ancestry by 1800. Also, my recollection is that most of the Basses
lived in other parts of the county, and not in the area of the
Portuguese settlement. So as a family grouping they were not really a
part of the Portuguese settlement, except for those who married into the
community. But I could be wrong there, too. Matthews is a name I have
never figured out. It is found after about 1800 in Mecklenberg County
Virginia, and possibly earlier, among free colored people who appear to
be of Indian descent. More than that I do not know, however.

Have you seen the 1958 newspaper articles on the "Portuguese" community?
I suppose you have copies of the legislation that officially designated
the community as Portuguese?

Let me know your different lines to see if I have anything that can be
of help to you. How does James Poythress link to Hardiman, John, and
Odom? I could list a number of other surnames of interest to me, in
addition to those mentioned above. They include Hawkins, Toodle or
Tootle, Norton, Lane, Dole or Doles, Peters or Peterson or Patterson,
Hawley, Corbin, Burt, Norton, and a few others.

If there is any common interest here, I will be happy to show you
anything that I have.

Sorry to be so windy, and thank you again for your response.

David Sciacchitano
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birth of the individual is the first element of the source note while that of
his death is last; variant dates are noted. In several instances, our
research efforts resulted in our locating heretofore unknown family papers,
copies of which were made available first to the project and then to the
Library of Virginia.........Genealogists and researchers will find much new
and valuable information in the first volume of the DVB. The source notes
will direct the researcher to primary and secondary
sources for continued research.

Submitted by Daphne Gentry, assistant editor, Dictionary of
Virginia Biography

I went to the site and searched the editor's index for Poythress getting two
hits:

Atkinson, Agnes Poythress, 243

Jones, Agnes Poythress Atkinson, 244

My guess is that we didn't make volume one but a Mr. Atkinson did.

Maynard

Maynard		01/30/1999 10:08:02
Roll CallPat ReaganThere are two reasons that I belong to this group .

1. I am interested in how te family dealt with the mixed marriage not
to be nosey but interested.
2. I believe there is a connection between the line of Gilliams that I
am researching but of course I am one sheet of paper away. Just for no
reason I am looking for the parents of Susanna Gilliam born in 1790
Frederick County Virginia. Parents Unknown. She is living in Knox County
Tennessee in 1800 with Spencer Gilliam son of Thomas Gilliam .But so far
cannot prove he was her Father becouse she is not listed in either
Spencer or Thomas's Gilllams will. Which brings up another name and that
of course is Spencer.

3. This is the best news group arround especilly when it first came out
and in the last couple of months. You have organazed your records and
posted them in groups where every one has a chance . Some of the records
are are hard to come by if you do not know where to look and all you
have is a bunch of paper with the same years name and date and wrong
person. Oh yes I am from the line of Poythress and Gilliam but that
comes later and since I want to take one step at a time I collect study
and learn from watching your groups work.

No one person can work a line becouse some of the early work has proven
incorrect in all families . Keep up the good work and when I get to the
place I can help I will be there.

Pat Graves Reagan		01/30/1999 12:39:06
Poythress tid-bitsTeresa WillisHello All

I have found out some interesting ,but not documented things in the last
couple of days. I will start with my specific family and move on to other
things.

Lyn, answers to your correspondence of 1-30-99. First of all I do have a
Family Tree Maker, it is Generations 4 Deluxe Edition by Sierra Home.
I have talked to my uncle in Raleigh NC, and confirmed that Jack and Peter
were brothers. My uncle is Delzie Theodoric Poythress born 1933. He said
that Jack and Peter were both nick names for these two. And he believes
that at one time they lived in the Brunswick area, but when he was little
they had moved to Oxford NC this is in Granville Co near Henderson. He was
not sure what their given names were, so this may be the Richard from your
1888 records. My uncle remembers them to live off of 158, down a long dirt
road back in the woods. They did a little moonshine business together.
That's why I asked about the moonshine kettle story you had about a Jack,
but I assume that is about your Uncle Jack from Brodnax,( is that Frank's
brother?) I think I have heard mention of Ollie also. Theodoric said that
he remembers another uncle but he thinks that was one of Jack or Peter's
sons and he could not think of a name. I also found the reference to Labon
in the 1870 census (8months old) very possible he died. Are you aware of
the 2 other children of Thomas and Lucy listed in the 1850 census a William
5 yrs. and a Francis 3yrs.?
I did not, however find William in 1870 when he would have been 25, and more
than likely he would have been married.

Jean,
I did speak to Bertha Poythress today about her bible, unfortunately when
she found it it had fallen apart. She said there was nothing but the middle
pages left. But she and my uncle I referred to earlier did remember a
little about the "Portuguese" people and school. They were very reluctant
to talk about this at first,especially Bertha. After I talked about it and
asked a few questions she opened up. Her story and my Uncle's were
basically the same. He incidentally lived in Roanoke Rapids NC in the
1950's. I assume that you are interested no matter what I have found out,
and of course this is just what they heard from others their parents. So I
hope no one is offended by this, I'm just passing info.
The reason everyone is so secretive about this is because, from early ages
they were more or less, for lack of a better word, brained-washed to be
secretive. The families that these people came from were not in actuality
"Portuguese" to Bertha and Theodoric's knowledge. They were families that
had been "X-ed out" of the family. This is what we would consider disowning
someone. They say that it really had nothing to do with their race or
financial standings, it was something they had done. Bertha and Theodoric
would not specifically say what they had done, but I assume it must have
been illegal (maybe thieves). My aunt and uncle said that they were always
told not to talk about or associated with any of "those old Portuguese".
Uncle Theodoric says he remembers that my Grand-father Delzie did associate
with some of them because he was a good old soul and liked everybody for
themselves. The one he visited the most was a Benjamin Poythress(Bennie).
My grand-mother always fussed at him for going to see him, but grand-daddy
said that Bennie was a good man and he liked him. One other thing they
thought was that some of the families made the "Portuguese" spell their last
names differently.
Well that's all I can tell, and if anyone feels this is not true please say
so, I myself can't say for sure.

Teresa,
Toot@jnent.com		01/31/1999 2:59:00
Thomas Boston Poythress, et alHey Bud, are all these folks you and Debbie Freeman talking about going to
wind up as being descendents of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and first wife Hester
Wilder Mock.......or are there some "independent" arrivals from Virginia.....
or maybe do we have a "brother" or "uncle" in here.

Specifically, Debbie mentions a William E. which raises the question of
whether he might be the brother of Meredith Poythress, Sr. because we strongly
suspect that "William" who registered for the 1805 land lottery
(#967) right next to Meredith Sr. is a brother.

Maynard		01/31/1999 3:24:41
Martha J. Poythress O'nealSee below. Can anyone help Pat with locating this lady? Thanks,

Maynard

>>>
Subj: Re: Martha J. Poythress O'Neal
Date: 1/31/99 9:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: rkautry@earthlink.net (Pat Autry)
Reply-to: rkautry@earthlink.net
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

I am looking for the birthdate and death date of Martha J. Poythress who
married William O'Neal. I believe that she was from the Emporia,
Greenville County, Virginia area as that is where she was living when
one of her children, Josephine (Phenie) O'Neal, got married in 1906, to
a Charles Thomas Johnson.

I write to you because you rmessage indicates that there was a Martha in
your family and thought that mine might be a descendant from your
Martha. As I noted my Martha was alive in 1906 but her husband William
O'Neal was not.

Do you mine checking your line to see if you have a Martha J. Poythress
who married a William O'Neal? This may not have been her first
marriage.

Thanks, Pat		01/31/1999 3:32:01
????Subj: Re: Martha J. Poythress (O'Neal)
Date: 1/31/99 9:44:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: rkautry@earthlink.net (Pat Autry)
Reply-to: rkautry@earthlink.net
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

I am looking for the family of Martha J. Poythress who appears to have
been from southern Virginia, most likely Brunswick County, or
Greenville County. In 1906 when one of her daughters , Josephine O'Neal
married Charles Thomas Johnson in Halifax County, NC, Martha was still
alive & living in Emporia, Greenville county, VA; Martha's husband
William O'Neal, was deceased.

One family member has toold me that Martha came to the US from Ireland
during one of the potato famines. I'm not sure if this was her alone or
her family or her predecessors. There is some indication that Martha
was married more than once and/or had a 1st child out of wedlock.

I'm sending this to you because a Poythress listing by you, CNIDR
Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 13), notes this and thought this might be
related to my Martha:

"4) William @39, Martha@28, Idella@12, Boston@10, William@8, Warren@6,
Robert@4. I guess maybe we don't have a handle on all the rest.
William is a stranger. Let's look at the dwelling numbers for a clue: "

Can you tell me anything about Poythress in Brunswick or Greenville
County, Virginia?

Thanks, Pat		01/31/1999 3:37:24
GA - Poythress'Debra FreemanBud,
I talked with my Uncle Bill from Kansas City today - Sunday. He said he
had heard as well that William E. had come from VA originally. I'm on a
roll here. Thomas Boston and Julia Usher had four more children other than
Sheddie and Ida, who died as infants. Thelma, Eva Mae (she's supposedly
still alive - FL - I think he said), Jerry (?) and Thomas Ralph. Jerry had
4-5 kids. Charles - Jessop, GA, Geraldine, Jerry & Jackie (in ME- don't
remember her last name). He remembers Bessie (Falligant) his g-aunt.
Most of his family lives/lived in Screven and Effingham counties. That at
least narrows it down for me if I was to go get birth, death, marriage
certificates.
Thomas Ralph & Verna Mae Bryant-Poythress had the following children.
1- Travis
2- William Arte (Kansas City)
3- Dallas
4- Celestine married an Ernest Mathis (Mathes?) lived/died in FL has a
son Ernest Mathis as well.
5- Joanne died as an infant
6- John Robert my father
7- Julian last known to live in Seattle.

I found a search engine against Social Security database on Ancestry.com.
I found Dallas' name there. I might be able to find something else from
his file. Heard that my 1/2 brother moved back out to CA from FL.
Found out that Verna Mae's parents' names were John Bryant - NC and Beulah.
Will have to see what that brings up in my searching.
Do any of those names sound familiar to you?
Thanks for all your help.
Debbie		01/31/1999 4:42:44
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V99 #24Kenneth LarsenThe last two issues came through with only the heading and no body of
information.
Is this caused by you or at my end?
Ken Larsen

01/31/1999 9:16:02
Re: RE: Twisdale and DortchDo you have some information you could share on the family of William Archer
Dortch and Sarah G. Poythress?

David Poythress (1800-1876) married twice into the Dortch family. Could Sarah
be his sister?

Many thanks,
Barbara (BPW)		01/31/1999 9:38:54
Re: Twisdale and DortchSarah PoythressPhyllis & BPW,

Cemetery is very easy to find. Going from Ridgeway south on # 1 and #158
Hwy.
Turn at Manson, NC to the right where it says To I-85. It is 1 mile or more
on your
left. It is in view of highway and pass exit to I-85. If you are looking at
cemetery stright on the grave is on your right near the back under a tree.

Barbara, most of my mother's people (Jackson, Breedlove , Ellington,
Edwards,
etc.) live in Middleburg. I will ask around and see if I can find the home
place.
My grandaddy's, brother's wife (my great aunt) is 99 years old. She may
remember
and may not as they lived in Henderson where he was the ABC Officer until
his retirement. Was it called the Poythress' homeplace?

Sarah		01/31/1999 11:19:35
RE:ROLL CALLHello All,

I am answering the Roll Call and I am researching (or watching Jean do it) the
same Poythess side as Jean. My husband's family are the Poythress's. Though
Jean didn't mention it, my husbands surname is actually Porter. When his
father came from NC to VA to live with relatives, it was changed from
Poythress to Porter.
I am usually silent unless come upon something to share.
My line is:

Charles Lee Porter b.1950
Robert Bailey Porter b. 1921 d. 1991
Claner Mason Poythess b. 1898 m. Dorah Jarrell b. 1902
Charles Poythress b. 1869 m. Rinia Jones Poythress b. 1872
Richard Poythress b. 1845 m. Ada Turner b. 1851
James W. Poythress b. 1796 m. Sarah Crowder

James W. was brother to Luvel (Lovel) Poythess.
Rinia Jones Poythess was daughter of Luvel Poythess.

I am BGP, or Bruce Porter (female)		01/31/1999 12:13:09
Re: Poythress tid-bitsJean, Theresa & List,

After reading your messages regarding our "secret". Could the clue actually be
an illegitimate child that carried on the Poythress name, yet because of his
illigitimatcy was not accepted by the rest of the family. The illegitimacy
could also have been a double wammy for someone that "traded" with the
Indians.

There is also the James W. Poythress son of Julie Poythress who married
Rebecca O. High dghter of Eliza High 11-29-1870. Who was his father??? or was
there an unamed one?? Is there any record of this couples children??

Just speculating.

BGP (Bruce)		02/01/1999 3:26:40
Re: Twisdale and DortchJohn,
I am very interested in what data you have on the Dortch line.

Will be off-line for a few days while this computer gets a checkup, however.

Many thanks,
Barbara (BPW)

02/01/1999 5:29:09
Thomas BostonDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
I hope we can show a connection to Meredith - then I can move on from
there. But my guess from all I've seen so far is that he is not. I could
be wrong. Then again, Bud is the expert here.
An update..I have talked with my Uncle Bill (William Arte), my cousin's
wife,
Paula (William Bryant), my half-brother, John Bryant, and my sister, Diane
Marie all on Sunday. I have forwarded over the website address to them all
and I'm hoping they all subscribe. Not bad for a Sunday, if I do say so
myself. My brother told me our other half brother, Dallas Travis, lives
out in Riverside County - here in CA. We are working on a get-together
planned for all four of us to meet. We'll see how that goes.
Not bad, huh, Patti?
I also might have found a cousin in Seattle - Preston N. - hopefully, he's
my Uncle Julian's son. Don't know yet. I am still reviewing the files you
zipped over to me. I will give you a list of what I can open and if I left
any out you will know which to send again. I'm sorry for the
inconvenience. I have people at work helping me try to open the files.
I'll keep you updated.

It seems Bud and I are related from Julia Usher's (Seckinger) side as well.
I have the website if you want it. Three Poythress' - Viola, Gazzie, &
Thomas Boston "Roy" have connections to this family line. Cool! Did you
all know about the Social Security search engine on Ancestry.com? I've run
some sample searches and found loads of Poythress' including my Uncle
Dallas. Just thought I'd mention that.
That's all I have for today. Got files to review.
Thanks everybody!

Debbie

02/01/1999 6:33:21
Re: Poythress tid-bitsJean Spille>
> Jean,
> I did speak to Bertha Poythress today about her bible, unfortunately when
> she found it it had fallen apart. She said there was nothing but the middle
> pages left. But she and my uncle I referred to earlier did remember a
> little about the "Portuguese" people and school. They were very reluctant
> to talk about this at first,especially Bertha. After I talked about it and
> asked a few questions she opened up. Her story and my Uncle's were
> basically the same. He incidentally lived in Roanoke Rapids NC in the
> 1950's. I assume that you are interested no matter what I have found out,
> and of course this is just what they heard from others their parents. So I
> hope no one is offended by this, I'm just passing info.
> The reason everyone is so secretive about this is because, from early ages
> they were more or less, for lack of a better word, brained-washed to be
> secretive. The families that these people came from were not in actuality
> "Portuguese" to Bertha and Theodoric's knowledge. They were families that
> had been "X-ed out" of the family. This is what we would consider disowning
> someone. They say that it really had nothing to do with their race or
> financial standings, it was something they had done. Bertha and Theodoric
> would not specifically say what they had done, but I assume it must have
> been illegal (maybe thieves). My aunt and uncle said that they were always
> told not to talk about or associated with any of "those old Portuguese".
> Uncle Theodoric says he remembers that my Grand-father Delzie did associate
> with some of them because he was a good old soul and liked everybody for
> themselves. The one he visited the most was a Benjamin Poythress(Bennie).
> My grand-mother always fussed at him for going to see him, but grand-daddy
> said that Bennie was a good man and he liked him. One other thing they
> thought was that some of the families made the "Portuguese" spell their last
> names differently.
> Well that's all I can tell, and if anyone feels this is not true please say
> so, I myself can't say for sure.
>
> Teresa,
> Toot@jnent.com
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Teresa,

The response you received from Bertha and your Uncle illustrate the
point I have been trying to make about the secrecy of these people. You
are dealing with layers and layers of biogotry and injustice.

Tell me again, have you looked at the 1900. 1910, and 1920 census? They
bear a close look. What was it you said about the features of the
people in your family.

Where did Bertha go to school and who were her parents.

As far as being "x-ed out". the Poythresses in the "portuguese"
community are traceable back to 1785 in that same area. The progenitor
is James Poythress, b.1785. The marriage date for James Poythress and
Sarah Crowder is 15 January
1827.

According to the 1850 Northampton NC census James Portis was 65 years
old making him born 1785. Have you found a link between James and your
line? I have long searched for a verifiable link for him.Though I can't
prove the link, there are three brother, Odam, Hardiman and John which
go back even further, and I believe he is the son of eith Odam or
Hardiman, because I know John had no children.(see his estate papers on
the Poythress webpage.. If they are guilty of crimes such as steeling, I
can't find a paper trail...believe me, I have looked. no documented
court cases . But if your aunt, unncle and grandfather can give me some
clues, I will gladly trace them down.

The article on the "portuguese settlement" goes a long way to explain
the situation, but there is more to the story. And it has to do with
Indians and Indian traders

Where is Lea when I need her.

Jean Poythress

To all on the list...it is important that we all look at the history of
the Southside when talking about these families. You cannot separate
from Indians and trade with the Indians. That is the history of the
area

Where is Lea when I need her......

Jean		02/01/1999 6:58:12
Re: PORTIS, PORTRESS, POYTHRESSWell Hi again Poythresses,

I'm checking in again, just in case there are some PORTIS, PORTES or
PORTRESSES lurking around. I am a descendant of JOHN PORTIS/Portrice/Porthress
and SARAH JANE WILDER who were married before 1753 in Halifax County, Va or NC
Their children were:

KESIAH PORTIS (my ancestor) b1763 in Franklin County NC, who married CAPT.
RICHARD RANSOM 1784 Halifax County. Kesiah died in Murfreesboro,Rutherford Co,
Tennessee.

JOHN PORTIS 2
GEORGE PORTIS
JEREMIAH PORTIS
MARY PORTIS M JAMES (BARNABY?) GODWIN
ELIZABETH PORTIS M. JOHN COX
IRA PORTIS
LEAH ANN? PORTIS M JAMES ARRINGTON

MY DESCENT:
John Portis>KesiahPORTISRansom>JohnARansom>Mary Jane RANSOM Faris>
Martha Susan FARIS Jordan>Fannie Elizabeth JORDAN Burnett>Charles Archer
Burnett>Caroline BURNETT Cook....that's me.

Perhaps someone will connect.

Carole
Caroline Burnett Cook		02/01/1999 7:12:39
Re: MorrisHello, cousin Teresa. Here are answers to questions I have not already
answered, and one question from me in return:

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:45:12 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:

Q: You also wrote about 2 cemeteries you are researching. Which ones are
they?
A: the Poythress-Tanner family cemetery at the Thomas Poythress homeplace
and the Davis-Poythress family cemetery in Brodnax

Q: And please tell me where James David and Thomas M. are buried (Brodnax
and Blackridge ? where)
A: Both are private cemeteries and not easy to find. We may have to talk
by phone to convey answers.

Q: Maynard mentioned a story that you have told about Jack Poythress and
his moonshine kettle. Tell me about this.
A: Maynard mistakes me for another story teller. This Jack Poythress
was, as I recall, in the Franklin or Suffolk area. You can read the
message in the 1997 archive. Has anyone explained the archive to you,
yet? Just go to ,
enter "Poythress" and follow directions.

Q: There is another book about the history of Brunswick that was
published last year, I saw an ad in the paper but never got a copy. I am
working on getting one of these. You may know what I am referring to.
A: No, I'm not familiar with it. The only ones I know are Neale's
Brunswick History and an earlier small booklet entitled "The Brunswick
Story". Let us know what you find.

Q: Do we have any connection to the Horace and or Jack that have been
mention? Northampton and Halifax Co. are so close to Brunswick , it makes
me think we might. Northampton Co. is only about a 1/2 mile through the
woods.
A: My research has been by no means comprehensive and I never like to
discourage enterprise. Go for it!

A: And the old Poythress farm surrounding the "rock" is about a mile west
of me.
Q: So tell us about this "old Poythress farm". I don't recall anything
about it.

Q: Have you researched the Jones branch ("Mattie" Jones-James G).
A: No. I only have information on the Morris side of that marriage. But
some of my information, such as their marriage year, can probably help
get you started.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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02/01/1999 9:41:57
Re: Thomas Boston Poythress, et alIn a message dated 1/31/99 11:28:06 PM Atlantic Standard Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<< Hey Bud, are all these folks you and Debbie Freeman talking about going to
wind up as being descendents of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and first wife Hester
Wilder Mock.......or are there some "independent" arrivals from Virginia.....
or maybe do we have a "brother" or "uncle" in here. >>

Hi Maynard, You're on the ball man!

No, no new William E. here. I had made reference to a William E. being		02/02/1999 3:38:07
testCliff Townsendjust testing,
sheryl

02/02/1999 3:39:15
Re: Thomas Boston Poythress, et alSorry 'bout that folks!

When I went back to check mail I'd sent, ... Wow-e-e-e, the one I'd spent
over an hour writing -- somehow apparently did not go when I told it "to
went!" It appears to have been lost, at least the most part. So you got only
the beginning. I'll try again folks.

Hi Maynard and Debbie:

All the chickens are back on the roost! Had a great but quick time to Apollo
Beach, FL this past weekend (Friday through Monday) but had to drive back from
about Jacksonville all the way to Wilmington in hard rain, sometimes it was
down pouring. But all was well when we got back here with Settie in charge
and Merle immediately said "she missed me!" -- No kidding man! 'Nuf
said....

Ref. from Maynard's January 31st, and Debbie's February 1st messages:

<< Hey Bud, are all these folks you and Debbie Freeman talking about going to
wind up as being descendants of Meredith Poythress, Jr., first wife Hester
Wilder Mock.... >>

"Man, I sure do h-o-p-e so!

Hi Maynard and Debbie Freeman:

Sorry but there is NO new William E. Poythress here.

Maynard, I wrote Debbie and made reference to the William E. Poythress (b.
'either 1829, 1831,' or 1933 as shown on his tombstone & d. 12/23/1907) and
Martha J. Poythress (b. 6/4/1841 & d. 1935) -- both buried at North Newington
Baptist Church Cemetery), and were the parents of her "Thomas Boston
Poythress," and wife Julia Ann [Usher] Poythress. Debbie at that time did
not know who Thomas Boston's parents were?

I have no information as to just who were the parents of William E. Poythress
mentioned above, but was speculating just a bit that a possibility just might
have been the William Poythress, reportedly as a brother who accompanied my
and your g-g-g-grandfather Thomas James Poythress from VA down to Burke
County, GA in the 1780s. If a connection between that William Poythress and
Debbie's William E. Poythress, could be made, hen you and I can start
referring to Debbie as "cousin" rather than just as "Cuz!" Now that would
really be great, wouldn't it?

After all, the name William was a very common name even back then.

I also mentioned to her that Thomas Boston Poythress also had several
brothers and sisters that she was not then aware of, and that one brother was
Robert L. Poythress (b. 1/2/1867 & d. 2/10/1935) whose son Carl C. Poythress
(b. 12/30/1893 & d. 11/29/1974) and wife Beatrice E. Poyrhress (b. 10/15/1896
& d. 12/29/1986) were the only "2 Poythresses" I found buried in "North"
Newington Baptist Church Cemetery 'in' the town of Newington. But that my Dad
had always claimed he and Carl were cousins. However, I've never been able to
connect Carl and my Dad's Poythress line. That was the reason I was
speculating on the above possible connection between the William E. Poythress
and our Thomas' brother William.

Sorry Maynard, if I got you all lathered up there over noting!

Debbie: Delighted that you've been able to made connections with some of your
earlier family and I am very pleased that I could be of some small help.
However, if we are connected other than the above possibility, through the
Ushers it would have to have been by marriage. And through the Seckingers I
don't believe we have a connection, since my only known connection to the
Seckingers (of Effingham County) was that my mother's oldest sister married a
Robert A. Seckinger.

Then Debbie, you mentioned the names Viola, Gazzie & Thomas Boston "Roy"?
The only "Viola" I know of was my grandfather's sister, my great-aunt Viola
(b. 1857 & d. 1945) who married James C. Coker, who by the way was the widower
of her sister Henrietta, who died young, leaving several small children!

Then the Minnie Seckinger Poythress (1879 & d. 1924) that's buried at Bethel
Lutheran Church Cemetery was the 1st wife of Gazzie Poythress, Thomas Boston's
brother. I know of no "Roy Poythress" unless you are saying that "Roy" was
Thomas Boston's nickname. Was it?

Yes, Debbie, I'd like to have information on the website you mentioned with
the Julia Usher connections? Maybe we'll become "kissing cousins" after all.
Now that would be great and something for Maynard and me to write home about
too! After all, I just might make it to California one of these days, can't
ever tell. With the luck you seem to be having locating kinfolks I could
spent a whole year out there, "really cheap-o like" just spending a night with
each of my distant kin! How 'bout dat?

Well, enough dust for one day 'cuzens' (sp.?), so stay in touch and take care
of one another.

As ever, ...... Bud

:L. R. :"Bud" Poythress
Wilmington, NC
.		02/02/1999 6:08:40
Re: testcame thru fine for me.Patti

Cliff Townsend wrote:

> just testing,
> sheryl
>
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02/02/1999 6:18:06
Unidentified subject!Teresa Willis>>Jean,
>>
>>In response to your letter of 2/1/99. I have not looked at the census of
>>1900 1910 or1920. Which Counties are you referring to Brunswick or
>>Northampton.
>>
>>I mentioned the features of my relatives that are close kin. That is my
>two
>>uncles and their children and grandchildren, my great-aunts and
>>great-uncles, my grandfather and his father. All of these Poythress' have
>>very similar features and look much alike. They have black hair, dark
>eyes,
>>dark skin, and deep pores. All being characteristic of Native Americans.
>>
>>Bertha Poythress that I talked to is my Grand-father's sister. Here are
>the
>>names of all of his siblings and his mother and father:
>>
>>Willie T. Poythress born 1882 Father
>>Sara Anne Elizabeth Lynch born 1885 Mother
>>Married Nov 9,1902
>>Only 4,5,and 6 are still alive
>>child 1---Delzie Elton 7-26-1903
>>child 2---Virgie Mae 4-26-1906
>>child 3---Willie Larry 3-19-1909
>>child 4---Fenton Colman 10-1-1911
>>child 5---Lucy Bertha 11-27-1914
>>child 6---Perry Algie 4-13-1920
>>child 7---Thomas Wakley 2-2-1924
>>child 8---Frank Aubrey 11-22-26
>>child 9---Benjamin Louis 10-26-1930
>>
>>All of these were named for someone in the family on either Willie T. or
>>Sara's.
>>
>>They all lived in Brunswick Co and they went to school in Gasburg if they
>>went.
>>
>>The Benjamin Poythress I mentioned that my grandfather liked of the
>>"Portuguese" Poythress' has a son that lives in Roanoke Rapids NC.(at
least
>>that is what my cousin told me last night)
>>
>>I spoke to a cousin that said basically the same thing about the
>>"Portuguese" that my aunt and uncle did. She says "that we are kin to
>>them,but we don't claim them". Well she might not but you really can't
>help
>>who you are kin to can you? Maybe they don't like being kin to us either
>>HAHA
>>
>>Jean have you ever tried to find any info in the Northampton or Halifax
>>libraries about the Bethany School? I thought maybe I would do that.
>Where
>>did you find the newspaper article you posted?
>>
>>Teresa,
Toot@jnent
>		02/02/1999 6:24:42
&%$@*X! ?Posting at Sheryl's request. We're working on getting her "link" fixed.
Maynard

Subj: [Fwd: sending to the list]
Date: 2/2/99 11:05:39 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: cctowns@thenett.com (Cliff Townsend)
Reply-to: cctowns@thenett.com (Townsend, Cliff)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com (John M. Poythress)

Maynard,

First I sent this query to the list on Jan. 30 then I sent this message
to Lyn on the 31st. I have seen neither on the list.
Could you cut and paste my query for me and announce that my messages
aren't going anywhere or something? I don't understand.
sheryl

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Lynn,
I can't seem to send anything to the list. I have been trying but it
just doesn't get posted. I have made contact with others on the list
personally but what I send is never posted.
Thanks for your help,
Sheryl Rowell Townsend
cctowns@thenett.com

this is
Sheryl Rowell Townsend e-mail: cctowns@thenett.com
My Poythress connection is with:
Mrs. Mary Poythress m. Capt. Robert Wynne with dau. Mary Wynne m. John
Woodliffe (connection through her marriage)
and also: Mary Poythress that m. a John Woodliff s/o Mary Wynne and
John Woodliffe. (connection through blood line)

On the Eppes I have a Norah m. George Woodliff (we have discussed
this with no conclusion I believe)

I believe my Woodliff / Wynne lines went from Henry Co. VA to Granville
Co NC and some in Charles City & Jordans Church, VA. Further down the
line they went to Forsyth Co
and Hall Co.'s GA and from there to Etowah Co. AL

I have the least to contribute on this line, but do wait for a
connection to be made.
Thanks,
sheryl		02/02/1999 7:04:32
GA - Thomas BostonDebra FreemanHey Bud,
I was going over all my notes last night and I noticed that Idella and
Robert L. were born 3 days apart - same year. Could this be an error?
Your info listed Idella born in 1859 and Robert L in 1867 which makes more
sense.
1860(?-or 1872?) census showed Idella as 12 and Robert as 4. I think the
Cemetery records are incorrect here.
I've started typing everything all up, I'm getting all confused on names,
dates and relations. I need to see it all laid out so I can compare. Once
I get that done I will forward to my immediate family so they can fill in
their blanks and then I can get a more accurate chart.
Talk to you later.

Debbie		02/02/1999 7:17:16
Zipped RecordsDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
I've looked at all the zipped files you sent me last week and this is what
I have. I've opened 11 files listed below. Let me know if I'm missing any
thing. My friend at work said he thought there were a couple he couldn't
open.

Poythress Index to Augusta, 1788-1827, DWP Vote, Francis Poythress, GA
Land, Greene 2 & 3, Hancock, Horace Poythress, Laurens, Meredth, & Wm
Poythress's will.

Don't see anything that looks familiar to me yet. I'll keep lookin'. I
ain't givin' up yet!

Thanks for all the info.
Talk to you later.
Debbie		02/02/1999 7:25:52
James W. & Luvel PoythressCharles NealBruce,

Re: "James W. Poythress b. 1796 m. Sarah Crowder
James W. was brother to Luvel (Lovel) Poythess.
Rinia Jones Poythess was daughter of Luvel Poythess"

Do you know when James W Poythress & Sarah Crowder married? And if you
don't know exactly when, do you have a guesstimate based on the ages of any
children other than Richard (who you mentioned was born 1845)?

Also do you know which brother was older -- James W. or Luvel Poythress?

Thanks,
BPN		02/02/1999 9:40:16
Re: &%$@*X! ?I would guess 100 to 1 it has absolutely nothing to do with money. I'd also
tend (from sad experience) to guess that you got something teeny tiny wrong
with an address so lets check that first. The Poythress address is
POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com so why don't you try that one more time.
Maybe even "copy" the address above, PASTING it into the e-mail address slot
and sending it as test.

Lest I insult you on that let me confess to having done that sin a hundred
times so lets try it one more time. Go ahead and send it and make the message
"TEST". That way we'll know for sure before you go to the Rootsweb techies.

Maynard		02/02/1999 10:01:30
Re: PORTIS, PORTRESS, POYTHRESSCharles NealCarole,

While I haven't yet discovered anything that really fits with your line, I
can offer this tidbit that I noticed at the library in a CD of
fairly-current-day telephone & address listings.

In the Pacific area CD of 1st edition 1998 Select Phone CD, among the
POYTHRESS folks listed, is a name that fits interestingly with your family
line's names:

Ransom H. Poythress is listed as being at (& as having had this address &
phone since Oct 1996):
1001 Sylmar Ave
Clovis, CA 93612-1671
(209) 299-5435

Maybe his particular combination of 1st & last names will just turn out to
be pure coincidence, but it sure seems like it might be helpful if you
talked/corresponded with him. Let us know if you do indeed find any link -

Barbara Poythress Neal		02/02/1999 10:15:56
Francis Poythress and my 3 linesDiana C. DiamondMaynard,

Those Poythress daughters had some offspring perhaps not bearing the name
but keeping those fabulous genes going. Your Batte chart and web offering
were so helpful.

The following are three Poythress lines as I now have them. They all end
up with my grandmother. If I have made any obvious errors, please inform. My
grandmother's family lived in Virginia for centuries, and her chart was put
together in large part by professionals, which I am not. She married in
Virginia but moved to Louisville, Kentucky. How's that, Maynard?

1.
Francis Poythress 1609-1650 m. Mary>John Poythress m. Christian
Peebles>Peter
Poythress m. Anne>Anne Poythress m. Richard Bland>William Bland M. Elizabeth
Yates>Ann Bland-the niece--m. first cousin Richard Pryor, son of Anne
Bland-the
aunt-- [daughter of Anne Poythress m. Richard Bland] m. John
Pryor>Theordoric
Pryor m.Nannie Bland Pryor>Elizabeth Tate Jones
2.
Francis Poythress 1609-1650m. Mary>John Poythress m. Christian
Peebles>Elizabeth Poythress m. John Fitzgerald>Francis Fitzgerald m. Mary
Epes>Elizabeth Fitzgerald m. George William Jones>Francis Fitzgerald Jones
m.
Nannie Bland Pryor>Elizabeth Tate Jones
2.
Francis Poythress 1609-1650m. Mary>Francis Poythress m. Rebecca Coggan>Ann
Poythress (1674) m. Burwell Green>Sarah Green m. Miles Thweatt (1703-
1767)>James Thweatt m. Lucy Osborne Peterson>Sallie Green Thweatt m. Thomas
Thweatt>Sarah Green Thweatt m. Francis Fitzgerald Jones>George William Jones
m.
Nannie Bland Pryor> Elizabeth Tate Jones.

Diana		02/02/1999 10:58:25
Poythress tidbitsCharles NealTeresa,

I must congratulate you on being able to coax out of your elders their
explanation about the secretiveness. What you found out (about some
families having been x-ed out of the family due to something they had done,
and that they then had to change the spelling of the name) certainly was
enlightening to hear. That part about being told not to talk about or
associate with them, really goes a long way in explaining why so many times
those of us coming in from "outside" seemed to hit a wall of silence.

Thank you for contributing to our understanding by passing on the
information you were told.

BPN

02/02/1999 11:10:24
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V99 #27Barbara,

Thanks so much for this name and address. BOB RANSOM (also a Portis
descendant) lives in Petaluma, California. I will ask if he knows about this
fellow RANSOM H.POYTHRESS or is interested enough to find out. If I strike
gold, will let you know.

BOB RANSOM and I had always figured the original name was POYTHRESS. Maybe
RANSOM POYTHRESS can enlighten us. Bob might even call and go over to see him.
The distances make no difference to these westerners, though Petaluma is above
San Fancisco and Clovis is near Fresno.

Any ideas are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Carole

In a message dated 2/3/99 5:35:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<< Carole,

While I haven't yet discovered anything that really fits with your line, I
can offer this tidbit that I noticed at the library in a CD of
fairly-current-day telephone & address listings.

In the Pacific area CD of 1st edition 1998 Select Phone CD, among the
POYTHRESS folks listed, is a name that fits interestingly with your family
line's names:

Ransom H. Poythress is listed as being at (& as having had this address &
phone since Oct 1996):
1001 Sylmar Ave
Clovis, CA 93612-1671
(209) 299-5435

Maybe his particular combination of 1st & last names will just turn out to
be pure coincidence, but it sure seems like it might be helpful if you
talked/corresponded with him. Let us know if you do indeed find any link -

Barbara Poythress Neal
>>		02/03/1999 4:12:06
James & LovelJean SpilleJames R. Poythress married Sarah Crowder 13 January 1827 in Northampton
Co. NC. Bondsmam was Thomas R. Hutson, witness Saml. Calvert.

The children of James R. and Sarah Crowder Poythress were:

Sterling born 1828
William born 1830
James born 1832
Lovel born 1835
Joseph born 1843
Richard born 1845

Lovel married Mandy Turner July 19, 1859 in Northampton County, NC
witness was Issac Peele.

The Children of Lovel and Mandy Turner Poythress were :Louis, Reina,
Sarah, James, Horace, Hall,

Riner Portris age 7 is listed on the Northampton 1880 Census as the
daughter of Love and Mandy Portris.

Reina was listed as Rynis Jones on Clannar Mason Poythress Delayed
Certificate of Birth Registration. This is a mistake. She is listed
the same way on Claner Poythress Certificate of Death.

Reina's certificate of death lists her name as Rina Poythress Poythress
and lists her partents as Love Poytress and Mandy. Her date of death is
June 26, 1953.
On Perry G. Poythress's certificate of death his parents are listed as
Charlie and Rena Poythress Poythress

Jean Poythress		02/03/1999 4:24:00
Francis Poythress and my 3 linesDiana......gee, it's like somebody put a live grenade on the table. I can't
testify to the "bottom" end of those lines but the "tops" in the "Gospel
according to Batte" would be right on the nose.

Comments:

1. On the money thru Anne271 and the rest of it all sounds familiar but I
never had occasion to trace that line.

2. On the money thru Elizabeth22 and I never traced that line either.

3. Ditto above thru Ann Poythress m. Burwell Green which is one generation
further than Batte gives.

Would you be willing to share all your information with the board? You would
probably fill in a million blanks, add a million dates, and a whole ton of
other stuff we'd be searching for forever.

Assuming that you would, how is the best way to transmit it? (you know you
can't send "attachments" through a Rootsweb page). Do you just have a hard
drive full of all the pieces or is what you have a "finished" product in the
sense of a "study" or "charts" (hopefully with occasional documentation to
sweeten the pot).

In any case, I'd love to send you a Zip disk (a "fat" floppy-100MB) and I
suspect you could just dump the whole thing on the disk and mail it to me (and
if you don't have a built in Zip-Drive there are a ton of external
Zip-drives around, I'd guess you'd have a friend with one.

A second alternative on the outside chance it's in Gedcom format would be to
zip that (now I'm talking generic "zip" for attachments and not an Omega Zip
Drive for huge capacity floppies) and send it.

And if you can do "a" I'd copy my entire Poythress hard drive contents on to a
Zip disk and mail it to you. You could load that content onto your own hard
drive for sorting (you may be interested in some of it) and simply load your
material on the now empty Zip disk and mail it back to me.

Or.....alternatively, any other option that you or the board would want to
suggest. But in any case, Diana I know you have some terrific material and
would love to work with you to help a lot of others who may just be able to
supplement your study with the odd name or date here and there.

One last possibility and that is if you inherited it and it was done by pro's
it may just be "on paper".....in that circumstance I'd be delighted to pay the
copying and postage costs.....or if you'd trust me to handle it like a chunk
of gold I could xerox the original and mail it back to you. Then I'd do all
the digital rendering to get it to the board.

Many thanks,

Maynard		02/03/1999 5:09:21
Your questionsWhew! Mike....you gonna put me to work.

1. Are you descended from Thomas or John or Christian? I assume you mean
Thomas or John or Francis if you are referring to the first generation; i. e.
children of "the immigrant" Francis Poythess. The answer is I don't know. We
have not made the later link from the Thomas Poythress I know I am descended
from back to Francis.

2. How many of you are tied to the Thomas Poythress of Brunswick Co.? See on
the web page under "studies" the first two articles: a) annotated group sheet
of Thomas Poythress and b) a time line for Thomas Poythress.

We have several unanswered questions. First is we aren't 100% sure that the
two Thomases in the studies above are the SAME Thomas. I can only tell you
that I am descended of A Thomas chances are it is one of the previous two
Thomases or if the "two Thomases" are the same then chances are I am descended
from him. But it's not impossible (although probably unlikely) that I am
descended from yet a third Thomas Poythress. There certainly were enough
Thomases to go around.

The line of speculation goes (and remember this is pure speculation but not
without some rationale) that this Thomas is the father of Meredith Poythress,
Sr., George Poythress, William Poythress, and perhaps others who moved to
Georgia. The speculation goes that Lewis Poythress was also a brother. Lewis
remained in Mecklenburg County. We do know that George and Lewis were
brothers because Lewis is so called as a legatee in George's will. We
strongly suspect that Lewis was a brother of Meredith Poythress, Sr. because
Meredith was a guarantor on Lewis' marriage bond. And we know that Meredith
was the son of A Thomas (several documentation references....are in the
"study").

If ALL that speculation holds up then decendents of the above are several on
our list: Bud, Lyn, myself, and no doubt several others.

3) Did Batte leave a chart "B"?.....no. Mrs. Batte personally told me "he
never got around to it".

4) Did Batte leave behind any notes as to Francis/Rebecca? Well, other than
that single entry on the chart there is nothing on the chart per
se. However, Batte's widow sent his collection of some 40M 8x5 index cards on
early Virginians to the Library of Virginia. These cards are now digitally
reproduced and on line. They may be accessed at:
http://image.vtls.com/Collections/BA.html
The good news is that the cards are indexed. The bad news is that there 205
Poythress cards and they "load" very slowly. Further bad news is Mr. Batte's
use of mystic runes on the cards......somewhere on the page Lyn has done a
good job of decoding them.

5) Does anyone have any proof as to whom their daughter Rebecca married? I
notice on...Batte's chart..."A"...compiled by Lyn Poythress, that Rebecca is
shown married to William Pace.

That's several questions: I'm don't have any proof as to whom she married.
Second, Lyn didn't compile Batte's chart "A", he made a spread sheet out of
it......and as I study it I think he dialed in the
Francis4 decendents based on the data from Mr. Batte's cards.

If Francis4 and Rebecca Coggin did have a daughter named Rebecca the time
frame is entirely too far off for this particular Rebecca to have married
Richard Pace. Francis4 would have been b. ca 1640 and
the Rebecca Poythress who (allegedly) m. Richard Pace "removed with him to
Bertie County, NC" around 1736 so it would be another Rebecca on down the
line.

I get confused as to the matter of Lyn's spreadsheets because I thought we had
a Francis4 decendent spread sheet all by itself that Lyn made.
However, not being able to find it on the page I'll speculate that Lyn
folded into his spread sheet the Francis4 decendent's data on Mr. Batte's
index cards and thereby created something of a Francis4 line.
(Lyn, if I'm wrong here set me straight would you).

Regardless of "which" Rebecca married Richard Pace, it is recorded that this
marriage did indeed happen. The DAR accepts it for membership qualifications.
However, the Pace Society, based on some later research, says this marriage is
improbable if not impossible. Their case is shown on the Pace Society Webpage
(easy to access thru any search engine).

6) Is Chapter 12 best writing on Poythress family?....and seems to parallel
Batte.

Actually there are two parts to that Chapter 12 under "Allied Families"
on the page. The first part is the study by Lou Poole of Dallas who is
interested in that marriage of Ann Poythress (Batte214) to John Wall.
That marriage has not been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt and
Lou is nothing if not a stickler for accuracy. (Bless him, he is one of a
small band).

The second part of that Chapter 12 (duly credited by Lou) is a paraphrase (or
maybe even a copying) of the Poythress chapter in Vol. 4 of John Bennett
Boddie's "Prominent Southern Families".....a 12 volume work available in just
about every sizable genealogy library.
It was written by a Dr. Thomas Claiborne (Boddie didn't write every single
one of his families up). Boddie takes some flack from "strict
constructionists" in the genealogy community but I think that on the whole he
should be accorded a sizable amount of credibilty.

Did Batte (1977) copy Boddie or the other way around? Gee, I never looked for
a publishing date on Boddie but my guess would be that Boddie wrote first.
Having observed about Batte that he never put anything down that he didn't
believe to be so (i. e. he is more likely to be guilty of a sin of omission
than comission)........if I had to just guess it would be that Batte read
Boddie but didn't go to the bank with him on information.

On another subject entirely, I'd suggest that you'd maximize your leverage if
you sent a message (addressed to me or anybody else) via
"the board".......POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com......that way you get a couple of
dozen sets of eyeballs looking at it and perhaps (even likely)
giving you better answers (or at least other answers) than mine.

Best, glad to have you working with us. Some exciting stuff coming up
so stay on "the list". Thanks for joining us.

Maynard		02/03/1999 5:09:26
Julia PoythressJean SpilleI have never sorted out the Julia Poythresses. The Julie Poythress that
Bruce Porter makes reference to probably
Julia Portress who is listed as mother of James W. Portress on is
marriage license to Rebecca O. High Mar 29, 1870 Northampton, NC

On the 1850 Northampton census Julia Portis is listed as head of
household, age 25, living with her are Martha E. age 4 and Celia age 60

On the 1860 census Julia Portiss is shown living with John Bass, and
Elizabeth Portriss age 14 and Mary Portriss age 9.		02/03/1999 5:37:28
Re: Poythress tidbitsTo all:
The secrets people keep are usually for economic or physical survival. In my
family, my father had medical problems that required constant care. He went to
work for a large national oil company that did not promote or even keep
employees if they had been divorced. He had osteoporosis, the existence of his
first family had to be kept quiet. otherwise it would have meant no health
coverage. There were other medical things that caused him not to be able to
visit his mother and father, constant pain, etc. He just closed off
communications about them because if my brother or I would let it slip to
neighborhood children that we had siblings.....he would have lost his job,
medical care for him and for all of us. I know it was the hardest decision of
his life. I have a half brother and two half sisters I have never known. Wish
it were not so. Patti

Charles Neal wrote:

> Teresa,
>
> I must congratulate you on being able to coax out of your elders their
> explanation about the secretiveness. What you found out (about some
> families having been x-ed out of the family due to something they had done,
> and that they then had to change the spelling of the name) certainly was
> enlightening to hear. That part about being told not to talk about or
> associate with them, really goes a long way in explaining why so many times
> those of us coming in from "outside" seemed to hit a wall of silence.
>
> Thank you for contributing to our understanding by passing on the
> information you were told.
>
> BPN
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		02/03/1999 9:04:42
James & Lovel PoythressCharles NealJean,

Thanks so much for the super re-cap of the line.

(I trust that what you meant "was a mistake" in the following portion, was
the spelling of her first name. If I've misinterpreted that remark, please
clarify.) "Reina was listed as Rynis Jones on Clannar Mason Poythress
Delayed
Certificate of Birth Registration. This is a mistake. She is listed the
same way on Claner Poythress Certificate of Death."

Thanks again!
BPN

02/03/1999 10:35:15
Willie T PoythressCharles NealTeresa,

Thanks so much for the great re-cap of this line.

BPN

02/03/1999 10:35:17
List of Roll CallCliff TownsendI have made a list of the Roll Call thought you'd like a copy of this
list of the ones that responded. I may have left someone out so please
advise if so desire. I just want to see who all is on the list.
sheryl

Roll Call for POYTHRESS-L

Answered the roll:
John M. Poythress
Ruth O. Kauffman
J.D. Weeks
hermitage
Lou Poole
Barbara Jean Poythress Spille
Debra Freeman
Cindy Lamb
Kevin N. Poythress
Sarah Poythress
Lyn Poythress Baird
Kenneth Larsen
Linda Starr
Diana C. Diamond
Craig R. Scott
Phyllis B. Lassiter
Barbara Poythress Neale
A. Lynn Poythress
Elise Courtney H. Markham
Patti P. Koscheski
Sheryl Rowell Townsend
Pat Graves Reagan
Bruce G. Porter

Others:
Al Tims
Bud Poythress
Barbara Prestridge
Carol Garrett
Helene ?
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ?
Teressa Willis
Barbara (BPW)
Pat Autry
Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)

02/03/1999 11:54:14
" I'M Back "wayne scruggsHi everyone,
Well I am finally back on line my computer went out just as we were
moving into our new house. Had to get the house in order first, then
repaired the Computer. Our phones then were all crossed up for 3 or 4
days. I had 266 messages to read. I can't tell you how supprised I was
about all the activity on the Poythress List. I knew Maynard would pull
us through. Welcome to Debra, Teresa , Lynn and all the newcomers.
I descend from Lewis Poythress, David, James Speed and James David
Poythress who married Carrie Price Shephard. I am from Meridian,Ms., but
live in the Atlana area now.
Keep up the good work.
Judy Speed Scruggs		02/04/1999 4:22:19
RE: Poythress-WallLou PooleSteve, delighted that there's another Poythress wanna-be out there
with Wall connections . Maybe if we can get enough us
interested, focused and working this connection, we'll eventually have
the proof or evidence to move out of the "wanna-be" corner. But I
will warn you that as Maynard rather recently and humorously
commented, there's no Pocahontas connection in our Poythress
blood-line; to the contrary we're the sole group that can't claim to
be among her descendants, though she is, admittedly, a pretty famous
in-law that we can claim.

I hope that you haven't missed what I have tried to assemble showing
the tentative evidence that there was, indeed, a Wall-Poythress
marriage, and what my theory is on this. My best shot at answering
the question is under the "Allied Family Information" page of the
Poythress web page. I think there's considerable evidence there that
Ann Poythress, daughter of Joshua of Martin's Brandon, married John
Wall, Jr., of Brunswick, but nothing I've found proves this as a fact.

So far as I know, Mr. Batte must have independently reached the same
conclusion. Unfortunately, I don't think he left us with any clues as
to how he reached this conclusion. (Maynard, remember this discussion
between us at least a year ago, shortly after you found Batte's
charts?).

In your list of questions, that's the ones that I can answer. Sure
wish I knew more, too.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 5:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress-Wall

Al, Lou and Maynard,

As you might remember, my father (W. A. Wall) and I have been silently
watching the Poythress mail list for a while now. Dad had some
communications
with Lou last year that led us to believe that there might be some
substance
to our thoughts of a Wall Poythress link, and recently Maynard was
kind
enough to send me a copy of the Batte chart, which adds more fuel to
our hunt.

In case you forgot our quest, here it is briefly. The Wall family
tree is
well documented in a privately published book called The Walls of
Walltown
Walltown being a community in Anson County NC, and we are translating
that
into Reunion and looking to extend it. That record goes back to a
John Wall
who we like to call John Wall(0). His gravestone, in Anson County,
says "a
native of Virginia", and we are trying to link him to a John Wall who
married
Ann Poythress. The name Poythress appears in middle names several
places in
our family and, as Lou may remember, there are other suggestions of a
link.

Lou has helped us a lot. The Batte chart that Maynard sent me also
helps,
since it shows a Wall-Poythress marriage at number 214. We, like half
the
world, are also interested in discovering a link to Pocahontas, and
this chart
helps that since it shows the connection with Thomas Rolfe. I think I
remember Lou telling us that the establishment of that claim is "the
second
most popular indoor sport in Virginia", so I know we are in good
company!

Anyway, thanks very much to you all, we are now in possession of good
new
data. If you would, humor us with a few questions:

1. How substantial is this Batte reference? Is it a book, or just a
chart?
Is there a literature citation? Is the original chart in the Virginia
library?

2. On the web page http://www1.minn.net/~atims/batte.html the note by
Ann P. (
214) indicates that there is an Eppes chart somewhere. I see at the
bottom
your (Als?) note that you intended to do some looking for it. Did
you find
it, or any reference to it? Obviously this would be a good place to
look for
more evidence that Annes husband John Wall was the predecessor of
John
Wall(0).

3. Your note 13 at the bottom of the same page refers to Mary #281 6"
as being
linked to Robert E. Lee. On the chart I see 281 6 beside Sally Bland,
with
husband Richard Lee. Is that who you mean?

4. In the LVA online catalog (the web page you refer to in your notes
on the
Batte Chart), I see two references to John Wall. One (card 2 of 112
under
"Wall") notes that a John married Mary Turner on Sept 15, 1784;
another card
(card 5 or 112, also under "Wall") says a John married Polly Turner,
same
date. But I find no card for a John who married Ann Poythress. Am I
missing
something? Or does the chart contain information not on the cards?

5. The library web page also mentions the "R. Bolling Batte Papers,
1918-1992", but doesnt tell you how to get to see them. Would this
be a
likely source for us? Are the"papers" (as opposed to the cards)
available at
the library?

Thanks a million for all the info. As rank amateurs, we have found a
tremendous source, and we really appreciate the help.

Steve Wall

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Better RetrievalCharles NealFriendly tip that we can all do, to help all of us:

If we could all try to remember to put into the "subject line" of our
messages, the name of the main person that the message is about, it would
make it easier for us to later find the correct message again, if we end up
having to search for it in the Poythress List Archives.

Or if the message is, for example, listing Poythress marriages of some
particular location, we can make the subject "Marriages Northampton Co, NC"

Great work, everyone. We're getting lots of Poythress info out.

02/04/1999 5:54:40
Fw: Delzie Theodic Poythress birth certificateTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: jspille@bellatlantic.net
To: Toot
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:09 PM
Subject: Delzie Theodic Poythress birth certificate

>I have a copy of the following birth certificate
>Delzie Theodic Poythress born November 3, 1933, Roanoke Rapids, Halifac
>County, NC.
>father - Delzie Elton Poythress age 30, residence Roanoke Rapids
>mother - Virginia C. Morris, age 22, residence Roanoke Rapids.
>
>Jean Poythress
>
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>Jean,

This indeed looks like my mother's brother. Some of the information is too
close for it not to be him. However this will show that all of the old
records we find are not correct. Maybe some of these are part of our
secrecies, or maybe just honest mistakes. I don't think they were quite as
picky about details then as we are now. And most of the older generations
did not like people "knowing their business". I am sure all of you on the
list have come across errors like these before. Delzie Elton P. and
Virginia C. Morris lived in Brunswick Co VA, Delzie Theodoric is the correct
spelling, his date of birth is November 9,1933, and he was born at home.
The house he was born in stood about 1 and1/2 miles from where I live now.
And my grandmother had him after a long day of working the field. Very
interesting.

Thank you for your comments on the "Portuguess" . You certainly do not have
to convince me of any of this. You have been researching much longer than I
have and I know there are quite a few things you could tell me. Believe me
some my family is far from perfect. I would never have started this
research if I was scared of what "bad apples" I would find (or what others
may consider to be bad apples).
I would love to meet you and see some of your paper work. If you don't hear
from me soon,please give me a call at 804-577-3018. (I have 7 children to
try to do research around) So I don't get half as much done as I would like
to. Everyday I planned to go to the library this week one of my kids stayed
home from school sick.
>
Please do contact me,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com

>		02/04/1999 6:50:22
Delzie Theodic Poythress birth certificateJean SpilleI have a copy of the following birth certificate
Delzie Theodic Poythress born November 3, 1933, Roanoke Rapids, Halifac
County, NC.
father - Delzie Elton Poythress age 30, residence Roanoke Rapids
mother - Virginia C. Morris, age 22, residence Roanoke Rapids.

Jean Poythress		02/04/1999 7:02:40
Re: Mike's questionsMaynard, you wrote: "I get confused as to the matter of Lyn's
spreadsheets because I thought we had a Francis4 decendent spread sheet
all by itself that Lyn made. However, not being able to find it on the
page I'll speculate that Lyn folded into his spread sheet the Francis4
decendent's data on Mr. Batte's index cards and thereby created something
of a Francis4 line."

Your second assumption is correct. Francis4 is the one coded (P-1)D in
the table. The next 13 entries are his progeny per Mr. Batte's note
cards (codes DA, DB, DC, DCA...DE). This comprises the much-discussed
"Chart B" which emerges from Mr. Batte's cards. Or, put another way, if
one assumes that Mr. Batte's published cards comprise all Mr. Batte had
learned about the family, and if Mr. Batte had completed his Chart B, it
would have contained exactly these 14 entries and no more.

One of the confusions in translating from Batte chart to Batte cards is
the change of coding. On the cards Mr. Batte uses an alpha coding; on
the chart a numeric coding. However, the logic of the two codings is
identical and the translation is straightforward in most cases. My table
on the web shows both codings. However, in the few cases where the
codings differ, my table is sorted by the card coding. This is not
because I believe the card coding to be more accurate, but because the
table is supposed to be primarily a study of the cards, not of the chart.
The differences hint at some changes in thinking on Mr. Batte's part.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Fw: Re: roll callRuth, thanks for sharing your quest for a connection between Governor
Giles and our Edward Giles. It's always important to keep track of what
we do not yet know, as well as what we do.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Ruth O. Kauffman"
To: llbaird@juno.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:31:07 +0000
Subject: Re: roll call
Message-ID: <36B3099C.12C3@acnet.net>
References: <19990130.103125.-901845.4.llbaird@juno.com>

Lyn,IŽve been fighting this battle ever since I got into this genealogy
business. An Aunt of mine ( a Giles) had written on the back of a
picture of John Perry Giles,b. 1861,( a great grandson of (Henry)
Edward Giles,b 1745-1755) was a descendant of William Branch Giles b.
1762, but as to date I have not been able to make a connection. The
dates just dont jive. The only thing that might come close to being
a connection is the fact that a son of Edward Giles Jr., , Thomas Perry
Giles married Sarah Jane Pate and a 1/2 sister of Sarah Jane, Lucy A.
Pate married Robert H. Moseley and the daughter of Williams Branch
Giles, Amy, married a Benjamin Moseley. I believe Lucy Pate married R
H Moseley in Va.,donŽt know where and Amy Giles and Benjamin were
married in Amelia Co. Va. ThatŽs sort of far fetched, no?

In other words, no, I donŽt have a connection.But itŽs fun running all
these ideas thru the head. It keeps you young.

Ruth

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Re: Poythress tid-bitsThanks, Bruce, for this citation of James W. Poythress and Rebecca O.
High 11/29/1870. I do not recall having seen it before. Could you share
locale and source? Thanks, Lyn

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:26:40 EST Portermom1@aol.com writes:
>
>There is also the James W. Poythress son of Julie Poythress who
>married
>Rebecca O. High dghter of Eliza High 11-29-1870. Who was his
>father??? or was
>there an unamed one?? Is there any record of this couples children??
>
>Just speculating.
>
>BGP (Bruce)
>
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Re: Poythress tid-bitsTeresa and all, some comments on Teresa's message of 1/31:

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:59:00 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:

"First of all I do have a Family Tree Maker, it is Generations 4 Deluxe
Edition by Sierra Home." [Teresa, I do not think this is the same
program as mine. However, I will send you a file and you let me know if
you can read it.]

"I have talked to my uncle in Raleigh NC, and confirmed that Jack and
Peter were brothers. My uncle is Delzie Theodoric Poythress born 1933.
He said that Jack and Peter were both nick names for these two. And he
believes that at one time they lived in the Brunswick area, but when he
was little they had moved to Oxford NC this is in Granville Co near
Henderson. He was not sure what their given names were, so this may be
the Richard from your 1888 records. My uncle remembers them to live off
of 158, down a long dirt road back in the woods. They did a little
moonshine business together."
[This is an interesting story, but one I fail to connect with. Jack ( A.
J.) the brother of James D. Poythress died in Brunswick County in 1936.
You can read his will at Lawrenceville; the first Poythress will recorded
in the county since 1760, as I recall. Peter, born in 1865, would have
been quite old for your uncle to remember. However, it would be worth
investigation.]

"That's why I asked about the moonshine kettle story you had about a
Jack, but I assume that is about your Uncle Jack from Brodnax,( is that
Frank's brother?)"
[Frank had a son named Jack who resided in Brodnax all his life. But my
moonshine story is about Frank and Lynn, not about the son Jack. The
story goes that at one time Frank was a deputy sheriff. He learned about
a moonshining operation and asked his brother, Lynn (my grandfather) to
help him with the bust. Lynn agreed, feeling obligated to help his
brother. However, Lynn was also acquainted and sympathetic with the
moonshiners, so he also felt compelled to tip them off that there would
be a raid. So when Frank and Lynn appeared on the scene, Frank was
surprised and Lynn was not that the perpetrators had escaped.]

"Uncle Theodoric says he remembers that my Grand-father Delzie did
associate with some of them because he was a good old soul and liked
everybody for themselves. The one he visited the most was a Benjamin
Poythress(Bennie). My grand-mother always fussed at him for going to see
him, but grand-daddy said that Bennie was a good man and he liked him."
[Teresa, at the risk of being prosaic, could this have been Benjamin J.
Poythress (1914-1994), your grandfather's first cousin? My records
indicate he died in Gaston. I believe he went by Bennie. His father was
Benjamin (Buddy), his grandfather James David, his great-grandfather
Thomas M., his great-great-grandfather Lewis. If so, I do not see an
obvious family connection into the genuine Portugese community about
which Jean has educated us.]

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird

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Poythress-WallAl, Lou and Maynard,

As you might remember, my father (W. A. Wall) and I have been silently
watching the Poythress mail list for a while now. Dad had some communications
with Lou last year that led us to believe that there might be some substance
to our thoughts of a Wall Poythress link, and recently Maynard was kind
enough to send me a copy of the Batte chart, which adds more fuel to our hunt.

In case you forgot our quest, here it is briefly. The Wall family tree is
well documented in a privately published book called The Walls of Walltown
Walltown being a community in Anson County NC, and we are translating that
into Reunion and looking to extend it. That record goes back to a John Wall
who we like to call John Wall(0). His gravestone, in Anson County, says "a
native of Virginia", and we are trying to link him to a John Wall who married
Ann Poythress. The name Poythress appears in middle names several places in
our family and, as Lou may remember, there are other suggestions of a link.

Lou has helped us a lot. The Batte chart that Maynard sent me also helps,
since it shows a Wall-Poythress marriage at number 214. We, like half the
world, are also interested in discovering a link to Pocahontas, and this chart
helps that since it shows the connection with Thomas Rolfe. I think I
remember Lou telling us that the establishment of that claim is "the second
most popular indoor sport in Virginia", so I know we are in good company!

Anyway, thanks very much to you all, we are now in possession of good new
data. If you would, humor us with a few questions:

1. How substantial is this Batte reference? Is it a book, or just a chart?
Is there a literature citation? Is the original chart in the Virginia
library?

2. On the web page http://www1.minn.net/~atims/batte.html the note by Ann P. (
214) indicates that there is an Eppes chart somewhere. I see at the bottom
your (Als?) note that you intended to do some looking for it. Did you find
it, or any reference to it? Obviously this would be a good place to look for
more evidence that Annes husband John Wall was the predecessor of John
Wall(0).

3. Your note 13 at the bottom of the same page refers to Mary #281 6" as being
linked to Robert E. Lee. On the chart I see 281 6 beside Sally Bland, with
husband Richard Lee. Is that who you mean?

4. In the LVA online catalog (the web page you refer to in your notes on the
Batte Chart), I see two references to John Wall. One (card 2 of 112 under
"Wall") notes that a John married Mary Turner on Sept 15, 1784; another card
(card 5 or 112, also under "Wall") says a John married Polly Turner, same
date. But I find no card for a John who married Ann Poythress. Am I missing
something? Or does the chart contain information not on the cards?

5. The library web page also mentions the "R. Bolling Batte Papers,
1918-1992", but doesnt tell you how to get to see them. Would this be a
likely source for us? Are the"papers" (as opposed to the cards) available at
the library?

Thanks a million for all the info. As rank amateurs, we have found a
tremendous source, and we really appreciate the help.

Steve Wall		02/04/1999 11:44:17
Willie T Poythress - Perry Algie PoythressCharles NealTeresa,

In your message of Feb 2, you listed the children of Willie T[homas]
Poythress & Sara Anne Elizabeth Lynch, and mentioned that they "all lived
in Brunswick Co." You also mentioned that all of them were "named for
someone in the family" on one parent's side or the other, and that 3 of
them are still alive.

I have several questions:

1) Do you know if they were all actually born in Brunswick Co?

2) Could you please inquire for me, of Perry Algie Poythress (one of those
living), if he knows who his middle name came from? My great-grandfather
was Algernon Edward Poythress, born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1844. His
first name was passed on to one of his sons (who died at age 10 months),
and later to one of his grandsons, who was born in 1922, is still alive,
and who was known for years as "Algie."

We don't know WHO my ggfather had been named for, back in 1844, and I sure
would appreciate it if I could get any insight in possible further-back
family candidates from your family's knowledge. Seeing the name in both
your family line & in mine makes me wonder if we share some further-back
ancestor.

So if Perry Algie P doesn't know who he was named Algie for, perhaps one of
his older siblings might know?

Thank you!
Barbara (BPN)		02/04/1999 12:21:54
This is a testCliff Townsendtest

02/05/1999 2:14:37
List of Roll CallCliff TownsendI have made a list of the Roll Call thought you'd like a copy of this
list of the ones that responded. I may have left someone out so please
advise if so desire. I just want to see who all is on the list.
sheryl

Roll Call for POYTHRESS-L

Answered the roll:
John M. Poythress
Ruth O. Kauffman
J.D. Weeks
hermitage
Lou Poole
Barbara Jean Poythress Spille
Debra Freeman
Cindy Lamb
Kevin N. Poythress
Sarah Poythress
Lyn Poythress Baird
Kenneth Larsen
Linda Starr
Diana C. Diamond
Craig R. Scott
Phyllis B. Lassiter
Barbara Poythress Neale
A. Lynn Poythress
Elise Courtney H. Markham
Patti P. Koscheski
Sheryl Rowell Townsend
Pat Graves Reagan
Bruce G. Porter
Judy Speen Scruggs
W.A. Wall
Steve Wall

Others:
Al Tims
Bud Poythress
Barbara Prestridge
Carol Garrett
Helene ?
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ?
Teressa Willis
Barbara (BPW)
Pat Autry
Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)
Steven Weems

02/05/1999 2:18:54
Re: Epes book by DormanLou.....thanks for the update on that one. Craig......if you are around when
the revised edition is published my guess is the list is likely to be
a good customer for a half dozen or so copies.

Maynard

02/05/1999 2:26:38
Re: [Fwd: Eppes Book]Sheryl.......you are a world class pack rat.....how big is that mail box of
yours anyway . I would never have remembered Mrs. Holden's name. Now
the question is can you dredge up her address?

Maynard

02/05/1999 2:29:30
Epes book by DormanLou PooleAs Maynard says, the book "Ancestors and Descendents of Francis Epes I
of Virginia" is a gold-mine of information on the early Epes and
associated families, including the Poythresses. Well over two years
ago I was told that the Epes Society was preparing a new revision, or
volume. The person who told me this had contributed a good deal of
her research on the Wall-Poythress connection in the hope that it
would be accepted, or at least considered, by Mr. Dorman. Several
months ago I heard from another contact that the publication of the
new volume/revision was imminent.

The point being, if the book is ever released, we may find that Mr.
Dorman has accumulated a good deal of additional information on all
the families that moved in the Epes family circle. It's always
possible, of course, that in a revision (if that's the form of its
issuance) he will have changed a few conclusions previously made. We
should all be on the lookout for it. (If anyone has any "inside"
contacts into the Epes Society, or with Mr. Dorman, it would sure be
nice to find out how it's progressing, or if it has been abandoned
since it's so long in coming.)

FYI

Lou

02/05/1999 2:34:17
Dorman's CommentsOn the contrary, Lou, I think worth a ton. Thanks.

Maynard

02/05/1999 2:36:57
RE: Questions of 2/4 Steve WallLou PooleAh, I just can't restrain one comment on Mr. Dorman's conclusion:

"It was long assumed from this reference that Ann Wall was most
likely a daughter of Joshua Poythress but the absence of any reference
to her
or her family in the will of Elizabeth (Poythress) Boyd Mills Peachey
suggests
the present tentative identification may be more reasonable".

I think that Mr. Dorman in writing the above, missed a very
significant point. The Peachey will was written ca. 1795. I believe
that the Ann Poythress who married John Wall, Jr., had died well
before this time (perhaps as much as twenty years earlier).
Therefore, one should not expect a dead Ann {Poythress) Wall to be
mentioned in the will. The fact that none of the children of John
Wall were mentioned in the Peachey will may merely mean that since the
Wall family moved from Brunswick to far-off Anson County, NC, ca.
1756, the families had simply lost close touch. In my opinion, the
Elizabeth (Poythress) Boyd Mills Peachey will is of zero value in
forming any conclusions on the possible Wall-Poythress relationship.

For what it's worth, and it's probably not much...

Lou		02/05/1999 3:21:38
Re: testSheryl,
I am just curious as to what caused your problem.
When you had the trouble with replying to the Poythresss list
did subscribe to the list version or the digest version of the Poythress list? I am having a similar problem with a watercolor list serve i subscribed to.
Cliff Townsend wrote:

> thanks Patti,
> I have not been able to send anything to the list. Maybe now I can.
> sheryl
>
> pattited@smartlink.net wrote:
>
> > came thru fine for me.Patti
> >
> > Cliff Townsend wrote:
> >
> > > just testing,
> > > sheryl
> > >
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02/05/1999 4:06:35
MisspelledMy name was misspelled: Cindy Lambert, not Cindy Lamb

Please make a note of it.

Cindy

02/05/1999 4:24:29
Fw: MorrisTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: llbaird@juno.com
To: Toot
Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Morris

>Patti, so sorry, but no connection here. It happens that Teresa and I
>are double cousins, sharing Morris as well as Poythress ancestors. I
>have fairly well traced both families and am not familiar with a Morris
>Poythress. The only Poythress-Morris marriages of which I am acquainted
>are that of my grandparents and that of Teresa's grandparents. I wish
>you all success in your search.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
>
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Lyn,

What is the question? I must have missed this. I do know of a
Morris-Poythress marriage since 1900.		02/05/1999 6:38:58
Fw: Fw: Delzie Theodic Poythress birth certificateTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: jspille@bellatlantic.net
To: Toot
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Delzie Theodic Poythress birth certificate

>> >Teresa,
>This is a copy of the official birth certificate for Delzie Theodric
>Poythress. According to this document the attending physician was Dr.
>B. Weathers of Roanoke Rapids. The time of birth is 4 am and the mother
>has one other living child. It lists the occupation of Delzie Elton
>Poythress as "weaver" in a "cotton mill". The occupation of the wife is
>listed as "housewife". Race is listed as "white".
>
>Instead of going to the library why not go to the court house in
>Lawrenceville and see if you can find any records for your line. They
>will have a marriage registry which is indexed. Marriage licenses list
>mother, father, place of birth, race. All this will be very helpful in
>uncovering the layers of secracy.
>
>Question:
>
>Do you know who the parents of Willie T. Poythress born 1882.
>Do you know of any siblings of Willie?
>
>I would like to check the records at Lawrenceville too. Can you find
>out what time the courthouse closes? I teach at Dinnwiddie Middle and
>get off at 3:15. I could probably get there by 4. If they close at 5
>that might be worth a trip.
>
>Jean
>

Jean

That birth certificate is totally wrong if it is suppose to be my uncle.
There was no other child before Theodoric. And I don't think my grandfather
(Delzie) was working in Roanoke Rapids at that time. I may be wrong about
that because he did work there at one time. But they did not live in
Roanoke Rapids.

Willie T.'s parents are James David P. and Lucy Moseley. This is where Lyn
and I connect. Willie T.'s siblings were Frank, Jack, Hattie, Sally, and
Susie ( to my knowledge). Lyn jump in if this is wrong or if there are more.
I got this info from a cousin.

I had planned to go to the court house and the library, but I don't know the
closing time. I will call Monday and I will let you know . It may be a few
days, because my schedule is tight this week. But I will get back to you as
soon as possible.

Teresa		02/05/1999 7:00:26
Gasburg or GarysburgTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: rkautry@earthlink.net
To: Toot
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!

>Teresa, you indicate that soem of relatives below went to school in
Gasburg. Is that in Brunswick co, VA or is it Garysburg, Northhampton Co,
NC? I was recently told
>that my great grandmother, Josephine O'Neal, daughter of William O'Neal &
Martha J. Poythress, had a half brother named Henry who lived in
Garysburg(or Gasburg)-I was
>told just across the bridge from Roanoke Rapids. This would have been in
early 1900s.
>Pat

>> >>They all lived in Brunswick Co and they went to school in Gasburg if
they
>> >>went.
>> >>
Pat,

Gasburg is in Brunswick CO,VA, but there is a Garysburg NC which is not far
from Roanoke Rapids NC.
I did not find any O'Neal's listed in the Garysburg area, but I have 4
listed in the Gaston /Roanoke Rapids area.

Teresa		02/05/1999 7:10:31
Fw: Willie T Poythress - Perry Algie PoythressTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
To: Toot
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 1:31 PM
Subject: Willie T Poythress - Perry Algie Poythress

>Teresa,
>
>In your message of Feb 2, you listed the children of Willie T[homas]
>Poythress & Sara Anne Elizabeth Lynch, and mentioned that they "all lived
>in Brunswick Co." You also mentioned that all of them were "named for
>someone in the family" on one parent's side or the other, and that 3 of
>them are still alive.
>
>I have several questions:
>
>1) Do you know if they were all actually born in Brunswick Co?
>
>2) Could you please inquire for me, of Perry Algie Poythress (one of those
>living), if he knows who his middle name came from? My great-grandfather
>was Algernon Edward Poythress, born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1844. His
>first name was passed on to one of his sons (who died at age 10 months),
>and later to one of his grandsons, who was born in 1922, is still alive,
>and who was known for years as "Algie."
>
>We don't know WHO my ggfather had been named for, back in 1844, and I sure
>would appreciate it if I could get any insight in possible further-back
>family candidates from your family's knowledge. Seeing the name in both
>your family line & in mine makes me wonder if we share some further-back
>ancestor.
>
>So if Perry Algie P doesn't know who he was named Algie for, perhaps one of
>his older siblings might know?
>
>Thank you!
>Barbara (BPN)
>

Barbara,

I will have to get back to you on this. I will call Aunt Berthia again and
see if she knows. Uncle Perry is in poor health and when I tried to talk to
him by phone I don't think he understood who I was. So let me work on it.

Teresa
>		02/05/1999 7:15:02
Lou Poole, Bud Poythress & Sarah PoythressCliff TownsendWould you mind sending me a message if you receive this test run?
I don't receive my own posts and just feel that something is wrong. I
also receive doubles of some some times.
thanks,
sheryl

02/05/1999 7:39:25
QUESTIONS FOR THE EXPERTSTeresa WillisTo all,

I have a question or two about some entries I have from deed books/ will
books...

In this entry David Maitland Susanna Poythress married Oct.25 1788, under
county it had DO. What is this?

And there is a Thomas Poythress that is listed repeatedly as a witness on
Brunswick Co. deeds in 1788's and 1790's. Do you know which Thomas this is?

Do you know this Thomas? It is of great interest to me!

This Indenture made this 12th day of August 1791 between Thomas Clary of
Brunswick County of the one part and Thomas Poythress of the same County of
the other part. . . for and in consideration of the sum of thirty seven
pounds . . . doth bargain sale and confirm unto the said Thomas Poythress .
. . one certain tract or parcel of land containing eighty five acres . . .
lying and being in the County aforesaid and is bounded as follows to
wit.....

It goes on to tell where the land is. The reason this caught my eye is
because I was a Clary before I was married. I just thought it was
interesting.

Teresa		02/05/1999 7:53:17
Eppes Book AddressCliff TownsendMaynard,
You are correct. I have most of the messages printed and quite a lot
saved in the OLD mail box. Did you check Kudos for AL, I just sent
you?

> Mrs. Herbert R. Holden
> 430 Greenwood Drive
> Petersburg, VA 23805.		02/05/1999 8:14:59
Squire LeeSubj: Re: Poythress-Wall
Date: 2/4/99
To: SteveW602@aol.com

Steve......I will answer your # 3 right away as it is late at night and I
would not want to deprive you of a "great" answer, (in a humorous sense).

"Squire Lee" (Richard) was a brother of Henry Lee (Lighthorse Harry Lee, a
hero of the First American Revolution. Squire was a horse (pardon the pun)
of a different color. "Squire" was thus an uncle of
R. E. Lee.

Quoting from the book "The Lees of Virginia", author Paul C Nagel:

"By now, the Squire's personal life may have grown so notorious as to hinder
his forays toward matrimony--perhaps his habits had been a handicap all along.
In 1773, when Richard was well past forty, a close friend sent a confidential
report to the Squire's cousins: 'He looks fresh
and hearty; and is, I am afraid, as lewdly indulgent as ever, from the
appearance of his waiting maids, Bab and Henny'. The sight of the
Squire's black concubines brought a lascivious prediction: 'If ever he
marries, you may depend on it (as I told him the other day), it will be with
some mop-squeezer who can satiate his filty amours in his own way".

So far, he sounds like an All-American boy.

Reading on....."At the close of the Revolution, the Squire found a wife,
making a match no family member might have foreseen. Beyond age
sixty, Richard brought home to Lee Hall a sixteen-year-old first cousin known
for her beauty. Her name was Sally Poythress. She was a granddaughter and he
a grandson of Richard Bland. Before the Squire died in 1795, just short of
seventy, he had fathered four lawful children."

I suppose "Selah" might be an appropriate ending to these lines. I'll get
back to you tomorrow on the rest.

Best,

Maynard		02/05/1999 8:34:25
Questions of 2/4 Steve WallSteve:

1. I think Barbara Poythress Neal handled that one.

2. Mr. Batte does say there is an "Eppes Chart". I have never seen it.
Never even heard of it. What I do have is a copy of "Ancestors and
Descendents of Francis Epes I of Virginia" by John Frederick Dorman.
Dorman is one of the current heavy hitters in the VA genealogy biz and is
highly respected. I suspect he did this book and much of the research on a
contract basis. If one is going to ever untangle the Poythress-Epes-Hardyman-
Wall-and Lord knows who else, this book is a must.

I bought it only a few months ago and can't for the life of me remember the
name of the lady who is now President of the Epes Society who will ship you a
copy for about 30 bucks. It is hard bound, about 250+ pages, well printed and
bound, etc.....well worth the 30.

About this specific connnection, Mr. Dorman says:

"12456 Ann, possibly married John Wall who was born about 1722."

The footnote to that says:

"Anne Wall Thomas, "Walls of Walltown" (n. p. 1969),pp 15-20, records the
tradition that John Wall married Ann or Nancy Poythress. Their children
Nancy, William, and John Wall moved to Richmond Co., N. C.
and the name Poythress is found among descendants. The parents may have died
in North Carolina. On the back of the contemporary copy of the will of Joshua
Poythress (1740) is a notation showing it was an exhibit in the case of Wall
vs. Poythress. It was long assumed from this reference that Ann Wall was most
likely a daughter of Joshua Poythress but the absence of any reference to her
or her family in the will of Elizabeth (Poythress) Boyd Mills Peachey suggests
the present tentative identification may be more reasonable".

How do you find the book? Try list member Craig Scott, proprietor of
Willowbend Books (genealogical). If he can't find it (highly unlikely) you
can go on the VA net and ask.

# 3 I answered last night.

#4 I have always (since we got the cards about a year ago) that the cards and
Batte's chart were something of "free stand alones". I do know from Mrs.
Batte that Mr. Batte prepared the chart for some lecture he was giving so I
suspect the chart is a "frozen" point in time and it is entirely probable that
the cards continued to be annotated.

#5 "R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992". I have never heard of these and I
would love to get into them. I make it 5 to 1 the LVA has them simply
because it seems illogical for Mrs. Batte to give them to two different
repositories. Maybe one of our Virginia folks could get in there and go to
work.

Best,

Maynard		02/05/1999 8:58:28
R Bolling BatteCharles NealSteve Wall,

I can answer some of your questions:

At the Library of VA in the Archives Manuscript Room, and possibly also
online, one can request, and look at, and even request a photocopy be made
of: Manuscript #29493, which is material which was prepared by R. Bolling
Batte, who was one of the early Presidents of the Virginia Genealogical
Society, and who was a very thorough researcher from what we can observe
from what he left us. That manuscript, #29493 is composed of two items:

(1) a schematic chart, the original of which is about 11" x 18" in size
entitled "Chart of Poythress Family in Virginia: Section A of Two Sections"
[sic -- he never prepared in schematic form any 2nd or "b" section]
and
(2) a 9-page typescript entitled "Trial Chart of the Descendants of Francis
Poythress; Prepared April 1977 by R. Bolling Batte"

The chart and the 9 pages do not list citations in bibliographic form, but
it does include some citations such as "obituary appears in __Southern
Churchman__" and ". . .were living in Petersburg (census)"

The schematic chart is what Maynard has copies of, and will send out to
those wanting it.

I know that at the LVA netsite, one can look at some manuscripts by putting
the archival number wanted into the "search" box, but I don't know if these
2 items (which constitute the one archival number) are yet uploaded.

In addition to that manuscript, which the Library received many years ago,
the Library also holds Mr. Batte's card material, which they got after he
died a couple of years ago. You can view all of the original cards online.

Hope this helps
BPN		02/05/1999 9:47:11
MisspelledCharles NealCindy,

Appreciate knowing now what your last name is. Always before, we had to
just assume it was Lamb because that much of it is all that shows in your
email address, and you've generally just signed off your messages as
"Cindy." THank you for introducing yourself.

Folks, I'll be offline for a week; returning Saturday evening Feb 13th.
Keep up the good work while I'm gone & I'll have lots of good messages for
catching up with.

All the best,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		02/05/1999 10:38:24
Batte Online ToolkitIn response to several Batte questions on the list, here are some useful
URLs:

direct URL to Batte card index at LVA:


direct URL to Batte table on Poythress site:

This table contains all Poythresses and their spouses found in Batte's
card file, including many that did not make it to Batte's Chart A.

direct URL to Batte text on Poythress site:


Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Julia PoythressThanks, Jean, for answering my question to Bruce. -lpb

On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:37:28 -0500 Jean Spille
writes:
>I have never sorted out the Julia Poythresses. The Julie Poythress
>that
>Bruce Porter makes reference to probably
>Julia Portress who is listed as mother of James W. Portress on is
>marriage license to Rebecca O. High Mar 29, 1870 Northampton, NC
>
>On the 1850 Northampton census Julia Portis is listed as head of
>household, age 25, living with her are Martha E. age 4 and Celia age
>60
>
>On the 1860 census Julia Portiss is shown living with John Bass, and
>Elizabeth Portriss age 14 and Mary Portriss age 9.
>
>
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Wall-PoythressLyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,

You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest all the
responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.

Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we all have
about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just said or that
you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).

1. Mr. Batte’s chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but shows no
reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't list Wall
as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web pages on
Wall and Poythress don’t seem to regard the chart as hard evidence of the
marriage – is that because there is no reference?

2. Joshua Poythress’ will (also on the web page) was introduced as evidence in
a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that as of
January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.

3. Dorman’s "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia" states
that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has given me
the address of Mrs. Holden, and I’m ordering a copy.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link between
the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co., NC. The
footnote that you quote from Dorman’s book is, in my opinion, a little more
certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas’ book "Walls of
Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children, "John, William
and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have moved to
Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that son John
is the John Wall (c. 1746 – 1831) who is buried in Anson County and linked to
our family – she speculates that might be the case but I can’t see anything
definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the information
on the children?

I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about this if I
can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? I’ll definitely try
to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or Ann)",
offspring of Ann P/John W.

As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence, like the
family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA and the use
of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line. Perhaps the
most striking use is John’s son, named John Poythress Wall. There are some
other documents in our family file that say the connection is real, but only
one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference. Dad has
called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.

Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John W’s offspring that anyone
knows?

Steve		02/06/1999 2:51:20
Information SourcesDebra FreemanHello Everybody,
I have a few questions for you "expert" researchers, that for us
"newcomers" might be valuable pieces of information:

1- Where exactly are you getting your information from?
2- What is your favorite source to check first?
3- How many of you do any research 'online', if so,
what are some of you favorite websites to research on?
4- Has any of you tried the Mormon family history centers?
(Maynard, should I just post this for who ever wants it?)
5- Has anyone used the CD-Rom lists, I've been hearing about?
If so, where do you get these from? Is there a catalog of
what's available? Does anyone know where would be a good
place to review it to see what's on it and if I want to buy it?

I thought this might be a good place to start since there seem to be
millions of places to start a search. Just wondering what might have
worked for all of you in the past and start there.
Thanks for all your help
Debbie		02/06/1999 3:36:03
Roll Call of a sortHello Poythresses,

I seem to have been called upon though I am the descendant of a POYTHRESS
variation for those who have not seen my msgs. PORTIS/PORTES/PORTHRESS and
PORTICE are some of the ways they spelled it in the untamed wilderness of NC
and Tennessee.

My ancestor: JOHN PORTIS married (bef 1753) SARAH JANE WILDER and
had eight children before his death in 1794, Halifax Dist. N.C.
their children:

JOHN PORTIS
GEORGE PORTIS
JEREMIAH PORTIS
MARY PORTIS m. JAMES/BARNABY GODWIN
ELIZABETH PORTIS m. JOHN COX
IRA PORTIS
LEAH (ANN?) PORTIS m. JAMES ARRINGTON & d. in Warren Co, NC

and my ancestor:

KESIAH PORTIS b. 1763 in Franklin Co NC d.1841 Murfreesboro, Rutherford Co, Tn
who married (1784) Halifax Co, NC :CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM b.1752 Isle of Wight
Co, Va d.1827 Murfreesboro, Rutherford Co, Tn.

The names descending from the PORTIS/RANSOM marriage down to me are:
BOWMAN,FARIS,JORDAN and BURNETT. All but the Bowman family came into the
country through Virginia to NC and/or Tennessee. The Bowmans came from Eastern
Pa to NC and TN.

Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)

In a message dated 2/6/99 3:32:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<<
Others:
Al Tims
Bud Poythress
Barbara Prestridge
Carol Garrett
Helene ?
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ?
Teressa Willis
Barbara (BPW)
Pat Autry
Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole) >>		02/06/1999 4:47:16
RE: Wall-PoythressLou PooleSteve, I think you've got it! I'll comment or add a little bit to
your observations.

Re the Batte chart. Actually I only found out about it about 2 weeks
before my file was posted on the web by Al. At the time I was still
hoping to find our how Mr. Batte reached his own conclusions. So it
was a combination of its "freshness" and, at that time, tentativeness,
that prevented me from referencing him, though I did refer to it once
in the text.

One very important record from Brunswick County positively names John
Wall, Jr.'s wife as Anne as in "Anne, the wife of the said John,
appeared in Court, and being first privately examined, voluntarily
relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed. Recorded 6 May
1747."

John Wall, Jr. (who supposedly married Ann Poythress) suddenly and
abruptly disappears from the Brunswick Co. records ca. 1752. No
record has ever been found of him after that, ANYWHERE (including
Anson County). He simply disappears. BUT a few years later, three
"orphan" Wall children appear on the scene in Anson County: John,
William, and Nancy. The parents of these children have never been
found, proven, etc., either. They are all of the right age to have
been the children of John Wall, however. In fact, there has never
been any hard proof that they were siblings, but the best
"authoritative" source for this "fact" is in the writing of Capt. W,
I. Everett, a very early genealogist and family historian of Anson
County. He asserts (re Nancy) that she was "a sister of John Wall,
Sr. (1746-1831) and Major William Wall (1742-1799)..."

The circumstantial clincher is that the Poythress name started
appearing among these children's descendants, and there are some
old-timer stories that assert that their parents were from the area of
Brunswick Co., Virginia. I believe that each of the Wall children -
John, William, and Nancy - named children and descendants with the
Poythress name. I KNOW that Nancy Wall, who married John Covington,
in Anson County, had two grandchildren whose middle name was
Poythress. (John Covington had been married previously, and the
Poythress name appears ONLY among her descendants, and NOT among the
descendants of John Covington's first wife.)

I think one wrong impression that you might have gotten (which is made
by a lot of Anson County historians) is the (incorrect) assumption
that the John Wall buried in Anson County (c. 1746 1831) was the one
who married Ann Poythress. Actually, I firmly believe this was the
next generation Wall, and the son of John Wall, Jr. and Ann Poythress.
In other words, most Wall historians have missed a generation, either
confusing Col. John Wall and his son for the same man, or confusing
John Wall, Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) with that of his son who did die in
Anson County.

So, it's a house of cards, all built on circumstantial evidence, and
some old-time lore. It all fits though, and the circumstantial
evidence is pretty strong in my opinion. And this is why we need some
more real researchers to find some proof (or at least more compelling
evidence) that will once-and-for all prove the whole chain of
conjecture, or the theory, whichever term one wants to apply to it.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 8:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Wall-Poythress

Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,

You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest all
the
responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.

Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we all
have
about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just said
or that
you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).

1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but
shows no
reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
list Wall
as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web
pages on
Wall and Poythress dont seem to regard the chart as hard evidence of
the
marriage is that because there is no reference?

2. Joshua Poythress will (also on the web page) was introduced as
evidence in
a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that
as of
January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.

3. Dormans "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia"
states
that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has
given me
the address of Mrs. Holden, and Im ordering a copy.

Correct me if Im wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link
between
the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co., NC.
The
footnote that you quote from Dormans book is, in my opinion, a little
more
certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas book "Walls
of
Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children, "John,
William
and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have moved
to
Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that
son John
is the John Wall (c. 1746 1831) who is buried in Anson County and
linked to
our family she speculates that might be the case but I cant see
anything
definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the
information
on the children?

I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about
this if I
can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? Ill
definitely try
to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or Ann)",
offspring of Ann P/John W.

As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence, like
the
family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA and
the use
of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line.
Perhaps the
most striking use is Johns son, named John Poythress Wall. There are
some
other documents in our family file that say the connection is real,
but only
one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference.
Dad has
called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.

Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John Ws offspring that
anyone
knows?

Steve

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Zipped RecordsDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
Thanks for the 2nd set of Zipped files. I couldn't open the following:
GA Journal Abstract
GA Marriage
HC Poythress will
Jos Poythress will
Jos & Mary Poythress
Mary Poythress Will 1854
Meredith JR & SR Timeline.
Everything was opened. Could you resend those alone so I could try to open them as well? Thanks for all the info.
Debbie		02/06/1999 9:36:15
Re: Squire LeeThanks for the great answer. So I presume, then, that note 13 on the web page
is in error and should read "Sally", not "Mary"?

Steve		02/06/1999 11:25:15
NEW POSTNew post on the webpage is Estate of William Poythress of Savannah,
1828. William died young, left no heirs other than his wife who remarried.
In a genealogical sense, William is thus more mysterious in
"where he came from" than "where he went". Conjectures are offered.

Special thanks to Martha Dixon's eagle eye who spotted the fact that
William's only son likely died in childhood between his fathers death and the
probate of his father's estate. I had stumbled badly on that one.

The estate papers, as pointed out, are more a matter of record than a matter
of intense interest. However, at least we have one more mystery guest in what
I hope is the right pew.

Best,

Maynard		02/07/1999 3:18:20
Courthouse hoursTeresa WillisJean wrote:
>
>I would like to check the records at Lawrenceville too. Can you find
>out what time the courthouse closes? I teach at Dinnwiddie Middle and
>get off at 3:15. I could probably get there by 4. If they close at 5
>that might be worth a trip.

Jean,

Called today, they close at 5:00pm.

I will be going to the South Park mall Saturday, is there any possibility
of meeting for lunch? Let me know and we will set up a time and place. I
will have two of my children with me doing their birthday shopping.

Teresa		02/07/1999 4:03:07
BACK IN BUSINESSAs some of you know it has been some time since we posted any material to the
Poythress webpage. Our listmeister Al Tims has been tussling with a new job
which appears to be something on the order of bench pressing the state of
Minnesota. Al projects that it will still be some time before he completes
this assignment and gets back to a normal life which will allow his
participation on both the list and the webpage.

Al and I (mostly Al) think we have worked out a temporary solution that will
fill both this gap of time and simultaneously "train" ourselves a back-up
"poster" (me) so that the "published" scholarship of each of us can progress
and be posted on the webpage. The object of a webpage, of course, is to be
the end result of individual research "papers" and a fruition of all the
conversational type exchanges of information that we have had on the
listserver discussion group.

In short, send any "articles" or "items" to me and I will work with Al to get
them posted. Al is carving out considerable time to keep us moving forward so
it is needed that each of us make the postings as easy as possible, both as
to "themes" and to "mechanics".

Since we have added many new members over the past year, it will probably be
helpful to spell out some suggested guidelines for material suitable to the
webpage.

THEMES

1. perhaps the best guide would be to go back to the webpage and scan through
a number of articles and use them as a rough guideline.
Al did a great job of separating the conversation from the "studies" and/or
"facts" to be published.

"Conversation" should stay on the listserver discussion group. By contrast,
the webpage becomes an historical repository. If that sounds a bit stuffy,
remember, we don't get compliments constantly about having the best family
webpage on the net without our having worked at it.

2. materials suitable for the webpage are principally finished or semi-
finished "studies". By "semi-finished" is implied subjects that are of some
length but may still have loose ends that can be worked on by others reading
the webpage. Saying the webpage avoids "questions" doesn't mean that general
questions within the study can't be pointed out but questions specifically
addressed to a member or the listserver group and/or looking for a "live"
answer...again, are material for the listserver discussion group.

Especially appropriate for the page are, wills and deeds.....or "images" (old
ones only please). Continuing an existing "thread" is needed; for example, if
you have the military records of an individual there is a ready made home
right there under "Military Records". If you have family bible records to
transcribe, the category already exists and bible records are wonderful to
have because they are not usually available in the normal research facilities
such as libraries.

4. you will likely instantly recognize if you have an item significant enough
for a new category. For example, we need an index under which to aggregate
all the marriage records that each of us has....and I'll ask for a volunteer
on this one in a subsequent e-mail. But there will obviously be other
category "titles" that we'll need as the webpage evolves. You'll know them
when you see them.

In summary, our long term objective is to move all the knowledge that each of
us has or later gets to our webpage which operates as something of an
encylopedia of Poythresses and allied families. It will be a place where
future researchers (our children and grandchildren and even further forward)
can go to continue the "quest" to put together this jigsaw puzzle of the many
meaningful lives of our ancestors.

I'm sure I left out something important and when you spot it say so.

MECHANICAL

1. articles should be sent to me [vkratliff@aol.com] AS AN ATTACHMENT. As
most of us know by now, Rootsweb's format cannot handle attachments "in the
mail". Also, if an article or "entry" is sent in the body of an e-mail it has
to be extracted, edited and sometimes even retyped so an "attachment" is be
preferred.

Also a big help will be submissions in MS Word format, the higher the "number"
of the Microsoft revision the better. Some of you may have WordPerfect or
another program.....don't let that deter you a minute. We're only saying here
if you have MS Word please use it.

2. This one sounds picky but it is a big deal: avoid "hard returns as you are
typing. I have been the biggest sinner here and I have been "saved". By
"hard returns" I mean as you are typing your document don't look up to see
that you are almost at the end of a line and and decide to hit "return"
yourself. Let your word processor "wrap" the copy ITSELF by making its own
automatic "return" as most of them do. What happens with a hard return is
that lines and spaces get messed up on the receiving end even though it make
look perfect on your own screen.

In the instance of "columnar" entries, after the last column on a line try
spacing out to the end and again let the wordprocessor determine the return.
This doesn't always work as sometimes the word processor thinks you are typing
a "landscape" 11" document and just keeps going. In that case, do the best
you can and we'll work with it.

3. Al is a real schoolteacher (sorta) and I'm a wannabe so please leave us
the jollies of making minor grammatical corrections. (we aren't perfect
ourselves but we need to feel needed)

4. as an article or item gets to the page you should personally send a message
to the discussion group saying that such and such is now posted and ready for
viewing (sounds like a funeral, sorry about that).

Anyway, we are leaving this for YOU to do because there likely will be some
introductory type comments in the announcement that you yourself will want to
make. Not among the least of these would be to perhaps say what your purpose
was and solicit corrections or additions.

As a general policy, additions and corrections should be sent to the ORIGINAL
AUTHOR to amend or even rewrite his or her study and resubmit for the
webpage....or perhaps even do nothing. To let anyone correct anyone else's
posted material would be something of a mess for all of us to handle.

Can we move forward with this one? And special thanks to Al at
"timsx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu". He will likely discover that "teaching"
me to use a computer is more than he had in mind .

Constructive comments welcome. I'm sure we may have to struggle a tad with
this format but I'm just as sure we can make it work.

Thanks,

Maynard		02/07/1999 8:28:06
RE: Wall-PoythressLou PooleSheryl, you seem to be having email problems again, only this time it
seems you are not receiving them (the Gods of Cyberland are, indeed,
strange and fickle). Earlier in the day, I replied that I was pretty
sure there was no connection. "Wall" is so simple (phonetically) that
I would doubt that it would be corrupted to Waugh.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Townsend [mailto:cctowns@thenett.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:10 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress

Lou and Steve,
Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
sheryl

Lou Poole wrote:

> Steve, I think you've got it! I'll comment or add a little bit to
> your observations.
>
> Re the Batte chart. Actually I only found out about it about 2
weeks
> before my file was posted on the web by Al. At the time I was still
> hoping to find our how Mr. Batte reached his own conclusions. So it
> was a combination of its "freshness" and, at that time,
tentativeness,
> that prevented me from referencing him, though I did refer to it
once
> in the text.
>
> One very important record from Brunswick County positively names
John
> Wall, Jr.'s wife as Anne as in "Anne, the wife of the said John,
> appeared in Court, and being first privately examined, voluntarily
> relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed. Recorded 6
May
> 1747."
>
> John Wall, Jr. (who supposedly married Ann Poythress) suddenly and
> abruptly disappears from the Brunswick Co. records ca. 1752. No
> record has ever been found of him after that, ANYWHERE (including
> Anson County). He simply disappears. BUT a few years later, three
> "orphan" Wall children appear on the scene in Anson County: John,
> William, and Nancy. The parents of these children have never been
> found, proven, etc., either. They are all of the right age to have
> been the children of John Wall, however. In fact, there has never
> been any hard proof that they were siblings, but the best
> "authoritative" source for this "fact" is in the writing of Capt. W,
> I. Everett, a very early genealogist and family historian of Anson
> County. He asserts (re Nancy) that she was "a sister of John Wall,
> Sr. (1746-1831) and Major William Wall (1742-1799)..."
>
> The circumstantial clincher is that the Poythress name started
> appearing among these children's descendants, and there are some
> old-timer stories that assert that their parents were from the area
of
> Brunswick Co., Virginia. I believe that each of the Wall children -
> John, William, and Nancy - named children and descendants with the
> Poythress name. I KNOW that Nancy Wall, who married John Covington,
> in Anson County, had two grandchildren whose middle name was
> Poythress. (John Covington had been married previously, and the
> Poythress name appears ONLY among her descendants, and NOT among the
> descendants of John Covington's first wife.)
>
> I think one wrong impression that you might have gotten (which is
made
> by a lot of Anson County historians) is the (incorrect) assumption
> that the John Wall buried in Anson County (c. 1746 1831) was the
one
> who married Ann Poythress. Actually, I firmly believe this was the
> next generation Wall, and the son of John Wall, Jr. and Ann
Poythress.
> In other words, most Wall historians have missed a generation,
either
> confusing Col. John Wall and his son for the same man, or confusing
> John Wall, Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) with that of his son who did die
in
> Anson County.
>
> So, it's a house of cards, all built on circumstantial evidence, and
> some old-time lore. It all fits though, and the circumstantial
> evidence is pretty strong in my opinion. And this is why we need
some
> more real researchers to find some proof (or at least more
compelling
> evidence) that will once-and-for all prove the whole chain of
> conjecture, or the theory, whichever term one wants to apply to it.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 8:51 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Wall-Poythress
>
> Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,
>
> You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest
all
> the
> responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.
>
> Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we
all
> have
> about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just
said
> or that
> you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).
>
> 1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but
> shows no
> reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
> list Wall
> as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web
> pages on
> Wall and Poythress dont seem to regard the chart as hard evidence
of
> the
> marriage is that because there is no reference?
>
> 2. Joshua Poythress will (also on the web page) was introduced as
> evidence in
> a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that
> as of
> January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.
>
> 3. Dormans "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
Virginia"
> states
> that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has
> given me
> the address of Mrs. Holden, and Im ordering a copy.
>
> Correct me if Im wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link
> between
> the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co.,
NC.
> The
> footnote that you quote from Dormans book is, in my opinion, a
little
> more
> certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas book
"Walls
> of
> Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children,
"John,
> William
> and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have
moved
> to
> Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that
> son John
> is the John Wall (c. 1746 1831) who is buried in Anson County and
> linked to
> our family she speculates that might be the case but I cant see
> anything
> definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the
> information
> on the children?
>
> I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about
> this if I
> can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? Ill
> definitely try
> to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or
Ann)",
> offspring of Ann P/John W.
>
> As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence,
like
> the
> family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA
and
> the use
> of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line.
> Perhaps the
> most striking use is Johns son, named John Poythress Wall. There
are
> some
> other documents in our family file that say the connection is real,
> but only
> one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference.
> Dad has
> called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.
>
> Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John Ws offspring
that
> anyone
> knows?
>
> Steve
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb
Data
> Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please
> visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
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http://www.rootsweb.com/		02/07/1999 8:44:08
RE: Wall-PoythressLou PooleGood Lord! I just realized that Sheryl's latest message which just
rang my bell at 9:40 in the evening was a duplicate of the one that
arrived sometime just after 10:00 this morning.

Sheryl, you probably need to consider sacrificing a fatted keyboard to
the capricious Gods of Cyberland! They have it in for you .

My apologies to the list for replying twice.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Townsend [mailto:cctowns@thenett.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:10 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress

Lou and Steve,
Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
sheryl

Lou Poole wrote:

> Steve, I think you've got it! I'll comment or add a little bit to
> your observations.
>
> Re the Batte chart. Actually I only found out about it about 2
weeks
> before my file was posted on the web by Al. At the time I was still
> hoping to find our how Mr. Batte reached his own conclusions. So it
> was a combination of its "freshness" and, at that time,
tentativeness,
> that prevented me from referencing him, though I did refer to it
once
> in the text.
>
> One very important record from Brunswick County positively names
John
> Wall, Jr.'s wife as Anne as in "Anne, the wife of the said John,
> appeared in Court, and being first privately examined, voluntarily
> relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed. Recorded 6
May
> 1747."
>
> John Wall, Jr. (who supposedly married Ann Poythress) suddenly and
> abruptly disappears from the Brunswick Co. records ca. 1752. No
> record has ever been found of him after that, ANYWHERE (including
> Anson County). He simply disappears. BUT a few years later, three
> "orphan" Wall children appear on the scene in Anson County: John,
> William, and Nancy. The parents of these children have never been
> found, proven, etc., either. They are all of the right age to have
> been the children of John Wall, however. In fact, there has never
> been any hard proof that they were siblings, but the best
> "authoritative" source for this "fact" is in the writing of Capt. W,
> I. Everett, a very early genealogist and family historian of Anson
> County. He asserts (re Nancy) that she was "a sister of John Wall,
> Sr. (1746-1831) and Major William Wall (1742-1799)..."
>
> The circumstantial clincher is that the Poythress name started
> appearing among these children's descendants, and there are some
> old-timer stories that assert that their parents were from the area
of
> Brunswick Co., Virginia. I believe that each of the Wall children -
> John, William, and Nancy - named children and descendants with the
> Poythress name. I KNOW that Nancy Wall, who married John Covington,
> in Anson County, had two grandchildren whose middle name was
> Poythress. (John Covington had been married previously, and the
> Poythress name appears ONLY among her descendants, and NOT among the
> descendants of John Covington's first wife.)
>
> I think one wrong impression that you might have gotten (which is
made
> by a lot of Anson County historians) is the (incorrect) assumption
> that the John Wall buried in Anson County (c. 1746 1831) was the
one
> who married Ann Poythress. Actually, I firmly believe this was the
> next generation Wall, and the son of John Wall, Jr. and Ann
Poythress.
> In other words, most Wall historians have missed a generation,
either
> confusing Col. John Wall and his son for the same man, or confusing
> John Wall, Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) with that of his son who did die
in
> Anson County.
>
> So, it's a house of cards, all built on circumstantial evidence, and
> some old-time lore. It all fits though, and the circumstantial
> evidence is pretty strong in my opinion. And this is why we need
some
> more real researchers to find some proof (or at least more
compelling
> evidence) that will once-and-for all prove the whole chain of
> conjecture, or the theory, whichever term one wants to apply to it.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 8:51 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Wall-Poythress
>
> Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,
>
> You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest
all
> the
> responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.
>
> Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we
all
> have
> about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just
said
> or that
> you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).
>
> 1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but
> shows no
> reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
> list Wall
> as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web
> pages on
> Wall and Poythress dont seem to regard the chart as hard evidence
of
> the
> marriage is that because there is no reference?
>
> 2. Joshua Poythress will (also on the web page) was introduced as
> evidence in
> a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that
> as of
> January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.
>
> 3. Dormans "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
Virginia"
> states
> that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has
> given me
> the address of Mrs. Holden, and Im ordering a copy.
>
> Correct me if Im wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link
> between
> the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co.,
NC.
> The
> footnote that you quote from Dormans book is, in my opinion, a
little
> more
> certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas book
"Walls
> of
> Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children,
"John,
> William
> and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have
moved
> to
> Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that
> son John
> is the John Wall (c. 1746 1831) who is buried in Anson County and
> linked to
> our family she speculates that might be the case but I cant see
> anything
> definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the
> information
> on the children?
>
> I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about
> this if I
> can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? Ill
> definitely try
> to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or
Ann)",
> offspring of Ann P/John W.
>
> As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence,
like
> the
> family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA
and
> the use
> of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line.
> Perhaps the
> most striking use is Johns son, named John Poythress Wall. There
are
> some
> other documents in our family file that say the connection is real,
> but only
> one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference.
> Dad has
> called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.
>
> Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John Ws offspring
that
> anyone
> knows?
>
> Steve
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb
Data
> Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please
> visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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Data Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please
visit http://www.rootsweb.com/

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http://www.rootsweb.com/		02/07/1999 8:47:24
Re: Wall-PoythressCliff TownsendLou and Steve,
Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
sheryl

Lou Poole wrote:

> Steve, I think you've got it! I'll comment or add a little bit to
> your observations.
>
> Re the Batte chart. Actually I only found out about it about 2 weeks
> before my file was posted on the web by Al. At the time I was still
> hoping to find our how Mr. Batte reached his own conclusions. So it
> was a combination of its "freshness" and, at that time, tentativeness,
> that prevented me from referencing him, though I did refer to it once
> in the text.
>
> One very important record from Brunswick County positively names John
> Wall, Jr.'s wife as Anne as in "Anne, the wife of the said John,
> appeared in Court, and being first privately examined, voluntarily
> relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed. Recorded 6 May
> 1747."
>
> John Wall, Jr. (who supposedly married Ann Poythress) suddenly and
> abruptly disappears from the Brunswick Co. records ca. 1752. No
> record has ever been found of him after that, ANYWHERE (including
> Anson County). He simply disappears. BUT a few years later, three
> "orphan" Wall children appear on the scene in Anson County: John,
> William, and Nancy. The parents of these children have never been
> found, proven, etc., either. They are all of the right age to have
> been the children of John Wall, however. In fact, there has never
> been any hard proof that they were siblings, but the best
> "authoritative" source for this "fact" is in the writing of Capt. W,
> I. Everett, a very early genealogist and family historian of Anson
> County. He asserts (re Nancy) that she was "a sister of John Wall,
> Sr. (1746-1831) and Major William Wall (1742-1799)..."
>
> The circumstantial clincher is that the Poythress name started
> appearing among these children's descendants, and there are some
> old-timer stories that assert that their parents were from the area of
> Brunswick Co., Virginia. I believe that each of the Wall children -
> John, William, and Nancy - named children and descendants with the
> Poythress name. I KNOW that Nancy Wall, who married John Covington,
> in Anson County, had two grandchildren whose middle name was
> Poythress. (John Covington had been married previously, and the
> Poythress name appears ONLY among her descendants, and NOT among the
> descendants of John Covington's first wife.)
>
> I think one wrong impression that you might have gotten (which is made
> by a lot of Anson County historians) is the (incorrect) assumption
> that the John Wall buried in Anson County (c. 1746 1831) was the one
> who married Ann Poythress. Actually, I firmly believe this was the
> next generation Wall, and the son of John Wall, Jr. and Ann Poythress.
> In other words, most Wall historians have missed a generation, either
> confusing Col. John Wall and his son for the same man, or confusing
> John Wall, Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) with that of his son who did die in
> Anson County.
>
> So, it's a house of cards, all built on circumstantial evidence, and
> some old-time lore. It all fits though, and the circumstantial
> evidence is pretty strong in my opinion. And this is why we need some
> more real researchers to find some proof (or at least more compelling
> evidence) that will once-and-for all prove the whole chain of
> conjecture, or the theory, whichever term one wants to apply to it.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 8:51 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Wall-Poythress
>
> Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,
>
> You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest all
> the
> responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.
>
> Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we all
> have
> about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just said
> or that
> you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).
>
> 1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but
> shows no
> reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
> list Wall
> as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web
> pages on
> Wall and Poythress dont seem to regard the chart as hard evidence of
> the
> marriage is that because there is no reference?
>
> 2. Joshua Poythress will (also on the web page) was introduced as
> evidence in
> a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that
> as of
> January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.
>
> 3. Dormans "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia"
> states
> that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has
> given me
> the address of Mrs. Holden, and Im ordering a copy.
>
> Correct me if Im wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link
> between
> the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co., NC.
> The
> footnote that you quote from Dormans book is, in my opinion, a little
> more
> certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas book "Walls
> of
> Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children, "John,
> William
> and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have moved
> to
> Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that
> son John
> is the John Wall (c. 1746 1831) who is buried in Anson County and
> linked to
> our family she speculates that might be the case but I cant see
> anything
> definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the
> information
> on the children?
>
> I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about
> this if I
> can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? Ill
> definitely try
> to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or Ann)",
> offspring of Ann P/John W.
>
> As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence, like
> the
> family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA and
> the use
> of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line.
> Perhaps the
> most striking use is Johns son, named John Poythress Wall. There are
> some
> other documents in our family file that say the connection is real,
> but only
> one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference.
> Dad has
> called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.
>
> Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John Ws offspring that
> anyone
> knows?
>
> Steve
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
> Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please
> visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
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Re: Wall-PoythressCliff TownsendLou,
Are you receiving my messages in duplicate. You may receive this one
twice only because I sent it to you and to the list. I thought some
others may be getting duplicate posts also. Sometimes I get two at once
from the same person but never hours apart. That is until now.
I don't know what the problem is, but I plan to call my server tomorrow.
I was going to Friday and did not get an opportunity.
Thanks,
sheryl

Lou Poole wrote:

> Good Lord! I just realized that Sheryl's latest message which just
> rang my bell at 9:40 in the evening was a duplicate of the one that
> arrived sometime just after 10:00 this morning.
>
> Sheryl, you probably need to consider sacrificing a fatted keyboard to
> the capricious Gods of Cyberland! They have it in for you .
>
> My apologies to the list for replying twice.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Townsend [mailto:cctowns@thenett.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:10 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress
>
> Lou and Steve,
> Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
> sheryl
>
> Lou Poole wrote:
>
> > Steve, I think you've got it! I'll comment or add a little bit to
> > your observations.
> >
> > Re the Batte chart. Actually I only found out about it about 2
> weeks
> > before my file was posted on the web by Al. At the time I was still
> > hoping to find our how Mr. Batte reached his own conclusions. So it
> > was a combination of its "freshness" and, at that time,
> tentativeness,
> > that prevented me from referencing him, though I did refer to it
> once
> > in the text.
> >
> > One very important record from Brunswick County positively names
> John
> > Wall, Jr.'s wife as Anne as in "Anne, the wife of the said John,
> > appeared in Court, and being first privately examined, voluntarily
> > relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed. Recorded 6
> May
> > 1747."
> >
> > John Wall, Jr. (who supposedly married Ann Poythress) suddenly and
> > abruptly disappears from the Brunswick Co. records ca. 1752. No
> > record has ever been found of him after that, ANYWHERE (including
> > Anson County). He simply disappears. BUT a few years later, three
> > "orphan" Wall children appear on the scene in Anson County: John,
> > William, and Nancy. The parents of these children have never been
> > found, proven, etc., either. They are all of the right age to have
> > been the children of John Wall, however. In fact, there has never
> > been any hard proof that they were siblings, but the best
> > "authoritative" source for this "fact" is in the writing of Capt. W,
> > I. Everett, a very early genealogist and family historian of Anson
> > County. He asserts (re Nancy) that she was "a sister of John Wall,
> > Sr. (1746-1831) and Major William Wall (1742-1799)..."
> >
> > The circumstantial clincher is that the Poythress name started
> > appearing among these children's descendants, and there are some
> > old-timer stories that assert that their parents were from the area
> of
> > Brunswick Co., Virginia. I believe that each of the Wall children -
> > John, William, and Nancy - named children and descendants with the
> > Poythress name. I KNOW that Nancy Wall, who married John Covington,
> > in Anson County, had two grandchildren whose middle name was
> > Poythress. (John Covington had been married previously, and the
> > Poythress name appears ONLY among her descendants, and NOT among the
> > descendants of John Covington's first wife.)
> >
> > I think one wrong impression that you might have gotten (which is
> made
> > by a lot of Anson County historians) is the (incorrect) assumption
> > that the John Wall buried in Anson County (c. 1746 1831) was the
> one
> > who married Ann Poythress. Actually, I firmly believe this was the
> > next generation Wall, and the son of John Wall, Jr. and Ann
> Poythress.
> > In other words, most Wall historians have missed a generation,
> either
> > confusing Col. John Wall and his son for the same man, or confusing
> > John Wall, Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) with that of his son who did die
> in
> > Anson County.
> >
> > So, it's a house of cards, all built on circumstantial evidence, and
> > some old-time lore. It all fits though, and the circumstantial
> > evidence is pretty strong in my opinion. And this is why we need
> some
> > more real researchers to find some proof (or at least more
> compelling
> > evidence) that will once-and-for all prove the whole chain of
> > conjecture, or the theory, whichever term one wants to apply to it.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 06, 1999 8:51 PM
> > To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Wall-Poythress
> >
> > Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,
> >
> > You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest
> all
> > the
> > responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them.
> >
> > Let me be sure I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we
> all
> > have
> > about Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just
> said
> > or that
> > you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).
> >
> > 1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but
> > shows no
> > reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
> > list Wall
> > as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason? Also, Lou, your web
> > pages on
> > Wall and Poythress dont seem to regard the chart as hard evidence
> of
> > the
> > marriage is that because there is no reference?
> >
> > 2. Joshua Poythress will (also on the web page) was introduced as
> > evidence in
> > a suit of Wall against Poythress. It also establishes the fact that
> > as of
> > January 17, 1739 he had an unmarried daughter named Ann Poythress.
> >
> > 3. Dormans "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
> Virginia"
> > states
> > that Ann P possibly married John Wall (born c. 1722). Maynard has
> > given me
> > the address of Mrs. Holden, and Im ordering a copy.
> >
> > Correct me if Im wrong, but none of this seems to speak to any link
> > between
> > the John Wall who married Anne P. and the John Wall of Anson Co.,
> NC.
> > The
> > footnote that you quote from Dormans book is, in my opinion, a
> little
> > more
> > certain a statement than its reference. Anne Wall Thomas book
> "Walls
> > of
> > Walltown" does state that John W and Ann P had three children,
> "John,
> > William
> > and Nancy (or Ann)", and she implies that this family might have
> moved
> > to
> > Anson Co., NC. But I see nothing in her book that proves that that
> > son John
> > is the John Wall (c. 1746 1831) who is buried in Anson County and
> > linked to
> > our family she speculates that might be the case but I cant see
> > anything
> > definite there. By the way, does anybody know where she got the
> > information
> > on the children?
> >
> > I will be back in NC in late February and will ask Ann Thomas about
> > this if I
> > can meet with her. Anything else I can ask her for you? Ill
> > definitely try
> > to find out where she found about "John, William and Nancy (or
> Ann)",
> > offspring of Ann P/John W.
> >
> > As Lou probably remembers, there is more circumstantial evidence,
> like
> > the
> > family lore that John Wall of Anson Co. came from Brunswick Co, VA
> and
> > the use
> > of "Poythress" as nicknames and middle names in our family line.
> > Perhaps the
> > most striking use is Johns son, named John Poythress Wall. There
> are
> > some
> > other documents in our family file that say the connection is real,
> > but only
> > one has any reference; it lists the Colonial Dames as a reference.
> > Dad has
> > called the Colonial Dames and they have no such record.
> >
> > Any comment? Is there any other lead on Ann P/John Ws offspring
> that
> > anyone
> > knows?
> >
> > Steve
> >
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RE: Wall-PoythressLou PooleSheryl, "I don't think so," is the best I can offer at this time. In
fact, I'd bet against it. "Wall" is such a simple (phonetically)
sounding name, it was not likely to have been corrupted as many other
names were.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Townsend [mailto:cctowns@thenett.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:10 AM
To: Lou Poole
Cc: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress

Lou and Steve,
Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
sheryl		02/07/1999 9:32:51
Re:Receiving our own postsPat AutryI too am not sure that I amreceiving my own posts. I send something 3 or 4 days ago about wanting to hear what people could offer about "Portuguese" connection with
Poythress name and something else about a specific ancestor. I know that some of mine have posted- I quickly saw the "Subscribe" one and one or two others but I don't
think that they have all posted to POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com. Seems to be a "spotty" problem.
Thanks, Pat Autry

Cliff Townsend wrote:

> Would you mind sending me a message if you receive this test run?
> I don't receive my own posts and just feel that something is wrong. I
> also receive doubles of some some times.
> thanks,
> sheryl
>
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Re: List of Roll CallCliff TownsendSorry Cindy, just took it from the e-mail and it cut it short.
Thanks for the reminder.
sheryl
Roll Call for POYTHRESS-L

Answered the roll:
John M. Poythress
Ruth O. Kauffman
J.D. Weeks
hermitage
Lou Poole
Barbara Jean Poythress Spille
Debra Freeman
Cindy Lambert
Kevin N. Poythress
Sarah Poythress
Lyn Poythress Baird
Kenneth Larsen
Linda Starr
Diana C. Diamond
Craig R. Scott
Phyllis B. Lassiter
Barbara Poythress Neal
A. Lynn Poythress
Elise Courtney H. Markham
Patti P. Koscheski
Sheryl Rowell Townsend
Pat Graves Reagan
Bruce G. Porter
Judy Speen Scruggs
W.A. Wall
Steve Wall
Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)
Bud Poythress

Others:
Al Tims
Barbara Prestridge
Carol Garrett
Helene ?
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ?
Teressa Willis
Barbara (BPW)
Pat Autry
Steven Weems

CLamb5582@aol.com wrote:

> on the roll call you have Cindy Lamb. It supposed to be Cindy Lambert.
>
> Thank-you
> Cindy Lambert		02/07/1999 9:42:22
Fw: Martha J. Poythress O'NealHello, Pat. We are aware of Lewis Y. Poythress and Mary C. Ferguson
Poythress, residents of Greensville Co. in the 1850 census and also in
the 1860 census as follows (Hicksford PO, sheet 45/600, household 312,
enumerated 6 Aug 1860):

Poythress, Lewis Y., 40, m, w
Poythress, Mary C., 50, f, w
Chiles, Nancy A., 20, f, w
Chiles, Elizabeth, 15, f, w

Lewis Y. Poythress is the son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor of
Mecklenburg Co. and the brother of Thomas M. Poythress and Rebecca
Poythress Stanley. Though we are not aware of children of Lewis Y.
Poythress and are not aware of the relationship of the younger Chiles
women in the 1860 household, we are also not aware of research having yet
been done on the line. Please keep us posted on your findings.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:32:01 EST
Subject: Martha J. Poythress O'neal
Message-ID: <5d49583f.36b52031@aol.com>

See below. Can anyone help Pat with locating this lady? Thanks,

Maynard

>>>
Subj: Re: Martha J. Poythress O'Neal
Date: 1/31/99 9:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: rkautry@earthlink.net (Pat Autry)
Reply-to: rkautry@earthlink.net
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

I am looking for the birthdate and death date of Martha J. Poythress who
married William O'Neal. I believe that she was from the Emporia,
Greenville County, Virginia area as that is where she was living when
one of her children, Josephine (Phenie) O'Neal, got married in 1906, to
a Charles Thomas Johnson.

I write to you because you rmessage indicates that there was a Martha in
your family and thought that mine might be a descendant from your
Martha. As I noted my Martha was alive in 1906 but her husband William
O'Neal was not.

Do you mine checking your line to see if you have a Martha J. Poythress
who married a William O'Neal? This may not have been her first
marriage.

Thanks, Pat

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Re: Epes book by DormanCraig R. Scott(If anyone has any "inside"
>contacts into the Epes Society, or with Mr. Dorman, it would sure be
>nice to find out how it's progressing, or if it has been abandoned
>since it's so long in coming.)

It would be unlikely that Mr. Dorman would abandon the project as he more
than likely is being compensated for his work with them. As recently as two
years ago, I talked with Fred about Poythress connections (mine especially)
so I know that he is very conversant in the family, but he does not appear
to have had access to any information that the rest of us have not stumbled
upon over the past couple of years. My understanding is that the book is
already available, but I have not seen it.Usually Fred publishes through
Gateway Press, the vanity press arm of Genealogical Publishing Company,
which means the books are not genearlly immediately available to dealers.
So buying from the Epes Society might be the only initial opportunity.

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications


02/07/1999 9:55:17
Re: Wall-PoythressLou,
I just bought a new razor for my husband. It is a Wahl. Several people
say it is a Welsh family name. Dont bet on any corruption of any name.

Lou Poole wrote:

> Sheryl, "I don't think so," is the best I can offer at this time. In
> fact, I'd bet against it. "Wall" is such a simple (phonetically)
> sounding name, it was not likely to have been corrupted as many other
> names were.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Townsend [mailto:cctowns@thenett.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:10 AM
> To: Lou Poole
> Cc: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress
>
> Lou and Steve,
> Are your Walls in anyway related to the Waugh family.
> sheryl
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		02/08/1999 2:05:17
Re: Receiving our own postsThe sure way to get your own posts if you want them for record keeping is to address it to the web site and to yourself in the address lines above. Otherwise go into your
"sent file.... in Netscape Navigator, it is on the page where you get your mail. Click on the down triangle and it will scroll into all your mailboxes and folders. Also when
your computer is slugish it may be because you havent deleted all your sent mail and emptied trashcan in very long time. Only dump the ones you want to...otherwise save to a
different file. Patti

Pat Autry wrote:

> I too am not sure that I amreceiving my own posts. I send something 3 or 4 days ago about wanting to hear what people could offer about "Portuguese" connection with
> Poythress name and something else about a specific ancestor. I know that some of mine have posted- I quickly saw the "Subscribe" one and one or two others but I don't
> think that they have all posted to POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com. Seems to be a "spotty" problem.
> Thanks, Pat Autry
>
> Cliff Townsend wrote:
>
> > Would you mind sending me a message if you receive this test run?
> > I don't receive my own posts and just feel that something is wrong. I
> > also receive doubles of some some times.
> > thanks,
> > sheryl
> >
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> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		02/08/1999 2:11:01
GNISPer Craig, GNIS = Geographic Names Information System. Well, I did get
"system" right.

He's got the disk and will run us off Poythress when he gets a change. I make
it
8 to 1 no hits.

Maynard		02/08/1999 3:41:17
GNIS, etcPaul Wagnon

Paul, what a neat post off your Wagnon listserver. I'll assume that GNIS
stands for some variation on the theme of Global Navigation Instrument System?
I'll ask if anyone on our net knows about that technology:

Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Wagnon sites
>From WAGNON-L-request@rootsweb.com
>
> > An email friend, Roy Braddy, has kindly shared the following sites
> > with us, taken from his gnis mapping:

> > >>Wagnon, AR Bradley
> > >>Wagnon Methodist Church AL Bradley
> > >>Wagnon Branch AL Bradley
> > >>Wagnon Ferry AL Etowah
> > >>Wagnon Mountain AL Colbert
> > >>Wagnon Mountain Church AL Colbert
> > >>Wagnon Cemetery GA Morgan
> > >>Wagnon Cemetery GA Murray
> > I will obtain coordinates of these sites, locate them on a map,
> > share their location with you when I get that done. If you have =
> > interests> > in any particular site, let me know....jc wagnon

While Poythress is not normally a "place" name, I wouldn't have suspected
Wagnon to be one either. If there is a URL where one can run a search would
you ask "jc" or whomever.....how to get there.

As for Wagnon itself and the two Georgia counties:

1) Morgan County adjoins Greene County where we suspect that Thomas Poythress
Wagnon or John Poythress Wagon (or perhaps sons) wound up.

2) Murray County is way up in that NE corner of Georgia close to
Chattanooga.....my guess here would be that here is some of that Wagnon crowd
migrating out of Tenn. A "through route" from almost anyplace west of the
Blue Ridge on its way to Georgia would tend to get channelled through the
Chattanooga area because thats where the "low" ground is......can't make much
progress with those ox wagons in the mountains.

If you'll get the coordinates on that cemetery in Morgan County I'll do some
checking to see if there is a sexton's inventory and/or maybe even go by the
place if I can't find anything on the net. I get down that way 3 or 4 times a
year. Would love to get my arms around all those Wagnon boys with Poythress
as a middle name and see what that's all about.

Wait to hear from you. Best,

Maynard		02/08/1999 3:54:47
Will of Edward Poythress, 1781Now posted to the page (Wills & Estate Records) is the 1781 will of Edward
Poythress of Isle of Wight County. While Edward appears to me to be something
of a loose end for the moment, he certainly gave his four daughters the
"usual" early Poythress female given names: Elizabeth, Sarah, Mary & Tabitha.

Almost makes you wonder if Francis didn't bring a "list of approved
girl's names" with him and willed the thing down through the family.

Given the location of Isle of Wight County, it's worth perhaps a speculation
that Edward is likely the progenitor of some of you folks in NE and North
Central North Carolina.

Since there is no Edward on the Batte Chart, I'm guessing he has two likely
possibilities: (a) Batte missed him or (b) he is out of the line of Francis or
Thomas. I'd be inclined toward (b).

The Library of Virginia had announced 7 new Poythress documents in their
archives, of which this is one. The copy cost was stated as $20. I sent
them twenty bucks and got back this first one with a comment: "no, we meant
$20 EACH".

At that point Craig Scott comes riding up on his white hoss and says
hey, I'm in there all the time.....I'll photocopy the others myself, don't
"order" any more. Kudos for Craig-a-reno!

And thanks again, Al, for the post.

Maynard		02/08/1999 4:19:26
Re: William Archer Dortch - Sarah G. PoythressHello, John Pyle. Speaking for the Poythress list, please could you
remind us of the source of the middle name "Archer" of this William
Archer Dortch. I for one am failing to find the citation. Also, if you
have any updated findings from your last correspondence with us (Aug
1998), please do share. Thanks and stay in touch.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:38:54 EST Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Do you have some information you could share on the family of William
>Archer
>Dortch and Sarah G. Poythress?
>
>David Poythress (1800-1876) married twice into the Dortch family.
>Could Sarah
>be his sister?
>
>Many thanks,
>Barbara (BPW)

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Re: Poythress in Brunswick and North CarolinaYes, Jean, we have lots of information on this Willie Thomas Poythress,
great-grandfather of Teresa, including records of him in the 1900, 1910
and 1920 federal census. Willie is my grand-uncle. My mother was
personally acquainted with Willie Poythress; I have heard her speak of
him and of his children many times. Only very recently my parents
visited Willie's grave site in Gasburg. Willie is the great-grandson of
Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co. This is the Lewis Poythress that has
been so much discussed in the Poythress list. Thus going back as far as
her fourth-great-grandfather, Lewis Poythress, born ca 1770, Teresa's
ancestors in the Poythress line are all well known and conclusively
documented. I have sent Teresa a .FTM file containing some of what we
know. If you are interested, I will be happy to share more information
on request.

Regarding the geographic proximity, I am aware of several Poythresses of
Teresa's and my line resident in Halifax Co., NC, after say 1930. Again,
these would have originated in Brunswick Co. and moved south during this
century. If you encounter or have questions about any 20th century
Poythresses in the Halifax/Northampton area, you are welcome to pass the
names by us...we may be able to identify them as some of ours.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:38:10 -0500 Jean Spille
writes:
>Lyn,
>
>I remember you said you have surveyed the census records in the
>Southside. Have you found the Willie T. and Sarah Poythress that
>Teresa
>Willis descends from. I guess the first possible time they would
>appear
>is 1900 since he was born in 1882.
>
>Also, my instincts tell me she connects to my line because of
>geographic
>proxemity if nothing else.
>
>Jean Poythress
>

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Re: RE: Wall-PoythressSheryl,

No connection between Wall and Waugh that I know of either.

Stev

02/08/1999 9:55:43
Fw: Virus Alert: Not a HoaxTeresa Willis-----OrigVKRatliff@aol.com inal Message-----
From:
To: Toot
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Alert: Not a Hoax

>Take that message from Patti seriously. Rootsweb thought enough of the
danger
>to post it on an entire state (Georgia) board which is pretty unusual
stuff.
>
>Maynard
>
>Please send me Patti's message you are referring to. I don't think I
recieved that.

Thanks,

Teresa

>
>
>
>
>		02/09/1999 4:07:37
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sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was
causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was
there to lecture on exactly that subject.

When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degree F, the wood alcohol in
Aspartame converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn
causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of
fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people were
being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple
sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is.

In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant
as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also,
with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12-oz. cans of
them per day, sometime more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is
triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame is
the culprit. The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a
degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off
the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become asymptotic.
Unfortunately, we cannot reverse this disease.

On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis,
(when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms
disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their
hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus.

During a lecture I said "if you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal,
Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting
pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus,
joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or
memory loss -- you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE!" People were jumping up
during the lecture saying, "I've got this, is it reversible?" It is rampant.
Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from these symptoms.
In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their
sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the
industry leader's son could no longer walk -- due in part by product usage!

We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to De. Espisto (one
of my speakers) and myself and said, "Could you tell me why so many people
seem to be coming down with MS?!!" During a visit to a hospice a nurse said
that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been
diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence.

Here is the problem: There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was
included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have
been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The
drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000
products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!! At the time
of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame
converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in
the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic -- DEADLY POISONS!!!
Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people
and causing all kinds of neurological problems.

Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe
seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what
this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug also
causes Birth Defects.

There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET
PRODUCT!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates
and will make you FAT." Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off
aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The
formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.

Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood
alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they have
patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the aspartame. The
aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many patients to
go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died.

People were telling us at the Conference of the American College of
Physicians, that they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an
aspartame product and how that relative had eventually gone into a coma.
Their physicians could not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus,
the patients suffered acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory
loss is due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic
without the other amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood
brain barrier and deteriorates the neurons of the brain. Dr. Blaylock has
written a book entitled "EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT KILLS" (HEALTH PRESS
1-800-643-2665)

Dr. H. J. Roberts, diabetic specialist and world expert on aspartame
poisoning, has also written a book entitled "DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S
DISEASE" (1-800-814-9800). Dr. Roberts tells how aspartame poisoning is
escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it is. As the hospice nurse told
me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr.
Blaylock and Dr. Roberts will be writing a position paper with some case
histories and will post it on the internet.

According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, "We are
talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly poison."

Dr. Roberts realized what was happening when aspartame was first marketed.
He said his diabetic patients presented memory loss, confusion, and severe
vision loss. At the Conference of the American College of Physicians, doctors
admitted that they did no know. They had wondered why seizures were rampant
(the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure threshold and depletes
serotonin, which cause manic depression, panic attacks, rage and violence).

Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a
possible antidote for the poison because they are experiencing so many
problems in their country. This poison is now available in 90 plus countries
world wide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference
from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help too.
Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that
contains aspartame back to the store. Take the "NO ASPARTAME TEST" and send
us your case history. I assure you MONSANTO, the creator of aspartame, knows
how deadly it is. They fund the American Diabetes Association, American
Dietetic Association, Congress and the Conference of the American College of
Physicians. The New York Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an article on how
the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food industry to
endorse their products. Therefore, they cannot criticize any additives or
tell about their link to MONSANTO.

HOW BAD IT IS? We told a mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the
product. The child was having grand mal seizures every day. The mother
called her physician, who called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the
child off the NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the
aspartame is causing the seizures.
Every time we get someone off aspartame, the seizures stop. If the baby dies,
you know whose fault it is, and what we are up against. There are 92
documented symptoms of aspartame, from coma to death. The majority of them
are all neurological, because aspartame destroys the nervous system.

Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the
mystery of the Desert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other
problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the consumption
of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks were shipped
to the Desert Storm troops (Remember heat can liberate the methanol from the
aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks say in the 120 degree F. Arabian sun
for weeks at a time on pallets. The service men and women drank them all day
long. All of their symptoms are identical to aspartame poisoning.

Dr. Roberts says, "Consuming aspartame at the time of conception can cause
birth defects." The phenylalanine concentrates in the placenta, causing
mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas, Pediatrician Professor -
Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony before Congress. In the
original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine breaks down
into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was lecturing on aspartame,
one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon said, "When they removed brain
tumors, they have found high levels of aspartame in them."

Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps the metabolism of sugar
which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a dietary
supplement by the FDA For years, the FDA has outlawed this sweet food because
of their loyalty to MONSANTO.

If is says "SUGAR FREE" on the label - DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!

Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants,
pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would
have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the
population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes neurological and
behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical
lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting
public.

Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope to have
the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too. There are a lot
of people out there who must be warned, please let them know this information.

The END		02/09/1999 4:52:12
Another Virus Post....AARGAH!Apparently this one is taken seriously enough for some Rootsweb state
coordinators to post (even though Rootweb itself abhors "virus posts" because
they often tend to get Mickey Mouse).

I'm posting the one that seemed most complete, inclusive of instructions for
the fix
even if one gets "wormed":>>>>>>

>I borrowed this explanation from a friend who has the SCROOTS list. He is
a computer guru. Please
>read carefully.
>
>DO NOT SEND ANY MESSAGES TO THE LIST ABOUT THIS PLEASE!!!
>
>NOTE: This warning is the exception to the rule. Do not follow this as and
>example and start sending virus warnings to the forum. This type of
message is
>OFF TOPIC in the forum, unless posted by the Forum Manager.
>
>I've recently received several emails from various people containing an
attached
>file named HAPPY99.EXE. Some of these were from Forum members. Some were
>addressed to the Forum, but they were blocked by our automatic screening
>program.
>
>The HAPPY99.EXE program is a WORM. See below for more information about
what
>that means. If you receive a message with that file attached don't execute
it -
>delete it immediately.
>_______________________
>
>VirusName: Happy99.Worm
>Aliases: Trojan.Happy99, I-Worm.Happy
>
>Description:
>This is a worm program, NOT a virus. This program has reportedly been
received
>through email spamming and USENET newsgroup posting. The file is usually
named
>HAPPY99.EXE in the email or article attachment.
>
>When being executed, the program also opens a window entitled "Happy New
Year
>1999 !!" showing a firework display to disguise its other actions. The
program
>copies itself as SKA.EXE and extracts a DLL that it carries as SKA.DLL into
>WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory. It also modifies WSOCK32.DLL in WINDOWS\SYSTEM
>directory and copies the original WSOCK32.DLL into WSOCK32.SKA.
>
>WSOCK32.DLL handles internet-connectivity in Windows 95 and 98. The
modification
>to WSOCK32.DLL allows the worm routine to be triggered when a connect or
send
>activity is detected. When such online activity occurs, the modified code
loads
>the worm's SKA.DLL. This SKA.DLL creates a new email or a new article with
>UUENCODED HAPPY99.EXE inserted into the email or article. It then sends
this
>email or posts this article.
>
>If WSOCK32.DLL is in use when the worm tries to modify it (i.e. a user is
>online), the worm adds a registry entry:
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce=SKA.EX
E
>
>The registry entry loads the worm the next time Windows start. Removing the
worm
>manually:
>
>1. delete WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SKA.EXE
>2. delete WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SKA.DLL
>3. replace WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WSOCK32.DLL with
> WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WSOCK32.SKA
>4. delete the downloaded file, usually named HAPPY99.EXE
>
>Safe Computing:
>This worm and other trojan-horse type programs demonstrate the need to
practice
>safe computing. One should not execute any executable-file attachment (i.e.
EXE,
>SHS, MS Word or MS Excel file) that comes from an email or a newsgroup
article
>from an unknown or a untrusted source.
>
>Norton AntiVirus users can protect themselves from this worm by downloading
the
>virus definitions updates released on Jan 28, 1999 or later either through
>LiveUpdate or from the following webpage:
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html
>
>Write-up by: Raul K. Elnitiarta - January 28, 1999
>___________________
>
>For more information regarding viruses see the following sites.
>
>http://www.mcafee.com/
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter
>http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html
>http://www.earthlink.net/daily/tuesday/macroviruses
>http://www.cyberramp.net/hoax.htm
>
>Unsolicited, unexplained attachments are unacceptable!
>
>"... you CAN get a virus by reading an attachment in an email message, such
as
>an MS Word or Excel document, which is infected by a macro virus. You can
also
>get a virus by running an executable program (such as *.exe , *.com or
*.bat)
>someone e-mails you as an attachment." -- SOURCE:
>http://www.cyberramp.net/hoax.htm
>		02/10/1999 1:44:50
Re: Interesting StoryDebbie.....got a hoot out of your story. I have been approached a VERY few
times by professional genealogists who only saw my name tag at a hog scalding
or goat roping or NASCAR race and said that the name was "only to be whispered
in reverence".

Which, incidentially, leads me to a story. (you didn't think you were going to
get off Scot free, did you?). I was at a Sons meeting one night with a name
tag on and a professional genealogist lady comes up to me and sez I have done
considerable work on your surname for a lady who wanted to pay big time bucks
for a "direct link" into "Colonial Dames" (even snootier than DAR). I said,
gee, tell me more.

Turns out her client/lady runs an "appointment only" antique shop (means she
ain't in it for the money)......and said lady had the ORIGINAL of an 8" x 10"
black and white line drawing of Lt. William Poythress in full regalia with his
name actually on the drawing....and in his Virginia Continental Line uniform
(implying NOT just that scruffy militia who showed up "on call").

Lady announces she won't part with the line drawing for love or money. She
implied it was her ticket to immortality. He was her ancestor, by golly, even
if she couldn't "prove" it right now. Furthermore, when I later was honored
by her granting me an audience (I kissed her ring with vigor) said illustrious
lady allowed that her brother had (and still has) William's sword.

At once, I phoned her brother (it was about the end of June) and the butler
informs me that Mr. so and so was not yet back from Florida where he spends
six months of the year. Didn't take a Rhodes scholar to figure out 1) he was
likely doing it for tax reasons...(Florida has no state income or inheritance
tax)...and 2) if so, I wasn't likely to have enough money in six lifetimes to
buy that sword off'en him. Both were correct guesses.

So, the only tactical move left was to romance the sister into letting me make
some archival quality copies of the line drawing. Partial success. Cagy
lady.....she had a single super copy professionally made for me, being
unwilling to let the original out of her grip. Unbeknowst to her, at the time
I worked for a company that had a gazillion dollars invested in high tech
photographic reproduction equipment. I promptly had a gazillion precisely
identical copies made.

I'll be happy to send one to anyone asking and sending me a snail mail
address. It's on the house.....don't even offer to pay....I get my jollies
out of it. It's a dual purpose print.... equally suited for a framed prestige
wall hanging or for lining the bottom of a bird cage...your option.

Maynard

(....and Margaret, I'll even mail one to the UK....be the first one on your
block to have one, they're going fast )		02/10/1999 2:51:02
[VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Worsham/VALeila D'AiutoloKevin from Leila,
<< I have Charles Worsham s/o William (original settle) and Elizabeth m
bc1661, m. Mary Bevill and d. 1712. Can anyone verify this for me ? Also,
did they have 3 children, William, Henry and George ? Thanks Kevin>>

Descendants of William Worsham

Generation No. 1

1. WILLIAM2 WORSHAM (MR.1) was born 1618 in Of Jordans Par., Charles City
Co., VA., and died 1660 in Henrico Co., VA.. He married ELIZABETH
LITTLEBERRY in Henrico Co, Charles City Co., VA.

Notes for WILLIAM WORSHAM:
RESIDED: William was an early Henrico settler there by 2 Nov.1640 when he
purchased 200 acres. This land is now in Chesterfield Co.,created 1n 1749
and is close to Richmond.
In Apr. 1657 Mr. William Worsham along with Mr. Christofer Branch, & Capt.
William Farrar were appointed County Commissioners for Henrico Co. (Pg 167
Vol. IV William & Mary Quarterly & pg 27 Branch-Ferrer-Worsham by Mrs.
Edmond Wroe Freeman).

REF: VA Historical Magazine p. 185;
Henrico Pat. Book #3, p.23;
Cavaliers and Pioneers Vol.1, p.238-9.

More About WILLIAM WORSHAM:
Baptism: August 20, 1946
Burial: Chesterfield, Henrico, VA?

Notes for ELIZABETH LITTLEBERRY:
Ref:VA Mag.of Hist. & Bio.(Rich.) XXXIII p.185 and
"Adventurers of Purse and Person" p.162.
Probably born in Eng., many Littleburys in Lincolnshire. WILL: 28 Aug.
1678, 23 Sept. 1678. Henrico Co., VA, Colonial Rec. Bk. 2, 1678-1693, p. 59
in the original book; p. 28 stamped at the top left corner of LDS Reel
031769; The date was Primo die October Anno Domini 1678 in Colonial Record
Book 2, 1678-1693, p. 29, LDS Reel 031769.
MARRIAGE: Elizabeth m.(2) Col.Francis Epps, Jr. They had three children,
William, Littlebury, and Mary.

More About ELIZABETH LITTLEBERRY:
Burial: October 1678, Henrico, VA

Children of WILLIAM WORSHAM and ELIZABETH LITTLEBERRY are:
i. WILLIAM3 WORSHAM, b. 1647, Of Jordans Par., Charles City
Co., VA.; d. Bef. 1678, Henrico Co., VA..

Notes for WILLIAM WORSHAM:
Dinwiddie County Clerk's Fee Book, 1763 lists 1763 Frances Eppes Exr. of
Isham Eppes who was admr. of Wm. Worsham deced. (The Virginia Genealogist,
1995, Vol.39,#3:200)

2. ii. ELIZABETH WORSHAM, b. 1655, Henrico Co., VA.; d. 1736,
Henrico Co., VA..
iii. CHARLES WORSHAM, b. 1655, Henrico Co., VA; d. Bef. June 02,
1712, Henrico Co., VA; m. MARY BEVILLE, Abt. 1682, Henrico Co., VA..
iv. SARAH WORSHAM, b. Abt. 1657, Henrico Co., VA?; d. Bristol
Parish, Henrico, VA ?.

More About SARAH WORSHAM:
Burial: Henrico Co., VA ?

3. v. MARY WORSHAM, b. 1658, Henrico Co., VA.; d. Henrico Co.,
VA?.
vi. JOHN WORSHAM, b. 1662, Henrico Co., VA; d. June 09, 1729,
Bermuda Hundred, Henrico, VA; m. (1) MARY WYNNE; m. (2) MRS. PHOEBE
WORSHAM, Abt. 1678, Henrico Co., VA..

Notes for JOHN WORSHAM:
b. Chesterfield or Henrico Co.? Justice of the Peace for Henrico from 1685
and Sheriff from 1696. Capt. of the Malitia of Henrico Co. Will in Henrico
Wills and Deeds 1725-1737 p.248.
CH: John, William, Daniel (m. Judith), Elizabeth Marshall (m1 Thos. Ligon,
m2 Alexander Marshall), Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson, Martha Ward Ann
Osborn.
Grandch: Francis Poythress, Obedience Worsham,(Daniel & Judith's dau's.)
Phebe, Martha and Elizabeth. (Stephens' Heard and Allied Families, p.
193-4)

More About JOHN WORSHAM:
Baptism: April 07, 1944

Generation No. 2

2. ELIZABETH3 WORSHAM (WILLIAM2, MR.1) was born 1655 in Henrico Co., VA.,
and died 1736 in Henrico Co., VA.. She married RICHARD KENNON 1676 in
Henrico Co., VA..

Notes for ELIZABETH WORSHAM:
Ref: VA Mag.of Hist.& Bio.(Rich.)XXXIII p.185
" Adventures of Purse & Person" p.162

Elizabeth survived her husband by at least 39 years. In Apr. 1705 she was
shown as the owner of 1,900 acres in Henrico Co. (pg 27 Henrico Deeds.
Kennon Family by Isabel Stebban Giolvegam FHL Film #863971 Item 3 pg.
27-28).

Notes for RICHARD KENNON:
RESIDED: Bermuda Hundred, of "Conjurers Neck" Henrico Co. now Chesterfield;
--the peninsula between Swift Creek and the Appomattox River. Richard took
up land there in 1677, not so long after it had been given that name
because when the first English settlers arrived it was the home of an
Indian medicine man. Much later he built what we now know as The Brick
House. VA 1678; referred to as Dr. and also as "I" so he must have had a
son Richard.
WILL: He bequeathed to his wife Elizabeth (Worsham) Kennon the land whereon
he lived called the Neck and all his plantation called the Quarter lying
upon Swift Creek in Bristol Parish in Henrico County. (Henrico Co., VA,
Colonial
Record Bk. 5, 1688-1697, p. 631; Colonial record Bk. 3, 1694-1701, p. 114,
LDS Reel 031770. In 1670 Richard received a patent for 2,827 acres in
Henrico.
SERVICE: Member of The House of Burgesses 1685-1686; Justice of Henrico Co.
in 1678, 1680 and 1683. Richard Kennon (pronounced Cannon) engaged
extensively in merchandizing and was the VA representative of London
Merchants. He was
factor and attorney for Mr. William Paggen, a merchant of London. To
provide his store house at Bermuda, Kennon visited England repeatedly.

Ref:Hist.& Register Va.Colonial Dames (1892-30) p.484;
The Nat. Soc. Of The Col. Dames VA Register, 1990, p. 633;
Gen. of VA Families From The VA Mag. of Hist. and Biography, Vol. II, p
687, Vol.5, p.90-1, Vol.33, p.184-86;
Wm. and Mary Quarterly, Vol. 24, p. 264.

More About RICHARD KENNON:
Christening: of Conjurer Neck, Henrico, VA

Children of ELIZABETH WORSHAM and RICHARD KENNON are:
i. MARY4 KENNON, b. 1678, Conjurer's Neck, Henrico Co., VA; d.
June 29, 1727, Cobbs, Henrico Co., VA.; m. JOHN BOLLING, December 29, 1697,
St.John's Church, Henrico Co., VA.

More About JOHN BOLLING:
Burial: April 1729, Cobbs, VA

ii. ELIZABETH KENNON, b. 1679, Conjuror's Neck, Henrico Co.,
VA; m. JOSEPH ROYALL, SR., December 1698, St.John's Church, Henrico Co.,
VA.

Notes for ELIZABETH KENNON:
Elizabeth married Joseph Royall and had issue: Mary, Elizabeth, William,
John, Richard, and Littleberry.

iii. MARTHA KENNON, b. 1681, Conjuror's Neck, Henrico, VA.; m.
ROBERT MUNFORD, 1701, Henrico Co., VA.

Notes for MARTHA KENNON:
m. Col. Robert Munford

iv. RICHARD KENNON, b. December 05, 1684, Conjuror's Neck,
Henrico, VA; d. March 08, 1687/88, Charles City, VA.

Notes for RICHARD KENNON:
His mother, Elizabeth had him buried close to the windows of her home,
where she could watch over the little grave as one would watch over a
cradle.

More About RICHARD KENNON:
Baptism: Child
Burial: Conjurer's Neck

v. WILLIAM KENNON, b. 1685, Conjuror's Neck, Henrico, VA.; d.
1735, Bristol, Henrico, VA.; m. ANNE EPPES, 1710, Henrico Co., VA.

Notes for ANNE EPPES:
dau. of Francis & Anne (Isham) Eppes. CH: Richard, William, Francis, Henry
Isham, and John all Kennon.

vi. SARAH KENNON, b. 1689, Conjuror's Neck, Chesterfield, VA;
d. 1748; m. FRANCIS EPPES IV.

vii. RICHARD KENNON, b. 1690, Conjuror's Neck, Henrico, VA.; d.
March 08, 1735/36, Charles City Co., VA.; m. AGNES BOLLING.

Notes for RICHARD KENNON:
of Chesterfield Co.; vestryman of Bristol Parish.
Justice of Henrico Co. in 1719 and Burgess for Charles City Co. 1736.
In 1711 received from his brother, William Kennon, 370 acres on Swift
Creek,
bought by Mr. Richard Kennon, deceased, from John Piggott.

Notes for AGNES BOLLING:
REF: "The Laws of Virginia," known as the "Purvis Collection," p.392

WILL: dated 1 June 1763 and proved in Chesterfield Co., VA.
CH: All Kennon Elizabeth 1720, Ann 1722, Robert 1725, Mary 1728, and
Martha.

viii. JUDITH KENNON, b. 1692, Conjuror's Neck, Henrico, VA.; d.
October 14, 1759, Albemarle, Sussex Co., VA; m. THOMAS ELDRIDGE, SR., June
1711, Henrico Co., VA..

3. MARY3 WORSHAM (WILLIAM2, MR.1) was born 1658 in Henrico Co., VA., and
died in Henrico Co., VA?. She married RICHARD LIGON Bef. August 28, 1678
in Henrico Co., VA., son of THOMAS LIGON and MARY HARRIS.

Notes for MARY WORSHAM:
m. Richard Ligon after 28 Aug. 1678 and prior to 1 Aug. 1679. (Henrico Co.,
VA, Colonial Record Bk. 1, 1677-1692, p. 104, 164, LDS Reel 031769; Reel 4
from VA State Library.
Mary appeared in the Orphan's Court in 1678 with her brother, Charles then
she was probably under age 21 and born about 1659. On 20 Aug. 1678 at an
Orphan's Court at Varinia is an account of cattle belonging to Charles and
Mary Worsham,
orphans of William Worsham, dec'd & presented by Col. Francis Epes. In her
mother's will dated 28 Aug. 1678 she, as Mary Worsham, was bequeathed one
fourth of her money, certain personal property, wearing apparall and her
thumb ring.

REF: Deeds & Wills Henrico Co., Va 1677-1682, pg. 62, 164.

Notes for RICHARD LIGON:
Richard was a surveyor for Henrico Co., VA; 17 Mar. 1701 Richard Ligon,
surveyor to John Curtis, planter...Capt. John Worsham & Francis Patram by
deed 1 June 1703 sold Richard Ligon 308 acres on main folk of Proctors
Creek and
is southern part of 924 acres granted to said Worsham and Patram 24 Oct.
1701.

REF: Wills and Deeds of Henrico Co. 1677-1682, pg. 6-10, 328.

More About RICHARD LIGON:

Children of MARY WORSHAM and RICHARD LIGON are:
i. MATTHEW4 LIGON, b. 1681, Henrico Co., VA; d. 1764,
Cumberland Co., VA; m. ELIZABETH ANDERSON, Bef. 1710.
ii. MARY LIGON, b. Abt. 1686; m. JOHN COLEMAN.

______________________________------------------------------		02/10/1999 3:11:47
New PostNow posted on the page (under Land & Court Records) is deed of Tabitha
(Poythress) Randolph. Note: while this deed was executed in 1793, Tabitha
didn't die until 1805.

This deed is a logical follow-on to the 1743 will of Tabitha's father, Robert
Poythress of Martins Brandon Parish which is also on the webpage under topic
"Wills & Estate Records".

Maynard		02/10/1999 3:33:41
DAR Library Catalogue now OnLineThe welcome message on the DAR Website explains what is available
and how to use its resources:

"The DAR Library was founded in 1896 as a collection of genea-
logical and historical publications for the use of the staff
and members of the USDAR. Shortly after 1900, the growing
collection was opened to the public and has remained so ever
since.

The Library is one of the nation's premier genealogical
research centers and was recently (1998) ranked the third most
important of national institutions based on the uniqueness of
sources in a listing by publisher Heritage Quest. In late 1998
the Library's book collection numbered some 150,000 volumes,
the cataloging records for which constitute this catalog.
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Barbara (BPW)		02/10/1999 4:56:58
Interesting StoryDebra FreemanThought you all might get a kick out of this story that was just relayed to
me by my half-brother, John Bryant Poythress in Irvine, CA.
It seems he and his wife were at church last Sunday helping out with the
mass, when a visitor (an elder lady - genealogist) from VA spotted his name
tag. After the service she came over at a fast trot so I gather, to ask if
he was a "Poythress". She proceeded to inform him that "Poythress" was a
fine Virginian name. (Thank you very much! We all knew that.)
I think he was a bit shocked, having been born out here in CA and not
having much contact with our "Poythress" side of the family, that he had to
share that with me. I thought that was pretty funny myself and decided to
forward it to all of us on the listing so that you could enjoy it as well.

Debbie

02/10/1999 6:37:51
Re: Virus Alert: Not a HoaxTake that message from Patti seriously. Rootsweb thought enough of the danger
to post it on an entire state (Georgia) board which is pretty unusual stuff.

Maynard

02/10/1999 10:06:28
Virus AlertMaynard and Patti,
I too have not seen the post on this. Would you send it again?
Many thanks,
Barbara (BPW)

02/10/1999 12:46:11
Re: Interesting StoryMaynard,

I just loved both of your stories!! Anyone who gets stuffy about
their genealogy hasn't looked back far enough, or hasn't searched
their less than illustrious ancestry. It is those horsethieves and
highwaymen that make it interesting.

Did you hear that story about a Percy in LA that tied an iron pot
around his neck and jumped in the Mississippi River? Both his
ex-wives supposedly ran his plantation successfully as best friends
after his death. My grandmother whispered that story. I never
learned his name. When you are related to Charlemagne through more
concubines than wives, you had better get over it! My Randolph line
gets the same whispered reverence in some circles, despite the
stories about the nutty branch of that family.

Elise Courtney ( is that from Pierre de Courtnay??) Markham

02/11/1999 2:10:43
Florida AssignmentOkay, I KNOW we gotta have at least a lurker in Florida! Need someone to do
us a small amount of transcribing from a ten volume set called "Florida
Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars", published in St. Augustine by
Florida Department of Military Affairs.

The Poythresses in the index are:

Poythress, James
Pvt, 07:017, 07:021-2

Poythress, William T.
1st Lt, 07: 017-18

Poythress, Wm. T.
1st Lt, 07:021-22
Sgt. 07:009-10

Poythrys, Wm.
2nd Lt, 02:072-73

The numbers in front of the colon are volume numbers, the numbers behind the
colon are page numbers. It is likely the last 3 entries are the same guy but
he needs to be looked up in each of his references.

James Poythress stands a decent chance of being James P. Poythress of Screven
County whom we know immigrated to Florida, and specifically was at one time in
Gadsden County, around Tallahassee and the site of some of the Seminole
battles.

William T. Poythress could be one of several candidates but that would take
any William that we already know further South than we presently have them
recorded.

One may check the homepages of Fla. libraries at:
http://www.dos.state.fl.us/fgils/fl_lib.htm
............to see if a particular library has the set of volumes before you
make the trip.

Okay, here is someone's chance to become a sainted soul! Win a CC cookie.

Many thanks,

Maynard		02/11/1999 5:09:56
New PostingsMaynard, many thanks to you and Al for the new postings. I know I speak for
everyone here on the list when I say how much we appreciate your time and
energy.
Barbara (BPW)

02/11/1999 5:48:46
Re: Interesting storyI still remember the sound of sudden intake of air by a roomful of Virginia
southsiders when I said "Poy-thress" instead of "Por-tress." Needless to say,
I still wear the letter "O" for outsider. But, I leaned phonics a century or
so before it became a game. Do all regions say "Por-tress?"
j

02/11/1999 6:14:02
Fla. Muster RollsEva.......GREAT......to tell you the truth I completely forgot we had you down
there.
I must have been having one of my "senior moments" that seem to be coming more
often these days .

The write up I have specifically cites 2 places it's available: State of Fla.
Lib. in the Govmt. documents section (it doesn't say but I'll just guess
that's Tallahassee). Also, Indian River County Main Library in Vero Beach. I
tried to look up Lake Como to get an idea about the distance but my Road Atlas
doesn't have a Lake Como.

To tell you the truth, I almost can't imagine a decent sized city library in
almost any city in Florida NOT having the thing. If you can find this one and
transcribe the information that will be tremendous!

Thanks again,

Maynard		02/11/1999 6:58:14
Pronunciation>>>>
I still remember the sound of sudden intake of air by a roomful of Virginia
southsiders when I said "Poy-thress" instead of "Por-tress." Needless to say,
I still wear the letter "O" for outsider. But, I leaned phonics a century or
so before it became a game. Do all regions say "Por-tress?"
j<<<<

J....we had a round-robin on that years ago but we're probably about due for
another.
It was great fun and interesting too. My mother, a school teacher, allowed as
how it was decided by whether you lived in the city or the country. In the
country it was "Por-tress" and in the city is was pronounced as spelled. I
answer to either as we probably all have learned to do but I use the "full
boat" when I say it.

Maynard

02/11/1999 7:04:38
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V99 #36Well the Southside discussion certainly explains how PORTIS came out of
POYTHRESS as the family moved east and south: POYTHRESS, PORTHRESS, PORTRES,
PORTIS....HMM

J,

PORTRESS is one of the variations used for MY ancestors, descendants of JOHN
PORTIS b 1730's who probably couldn't spell it for the clerks on the
frontier....so they wrote it the way they heard it...the last was Portis in
Tennessee, but he came through Southside, Va. Do you have any of the names of
these folks so I could see if my JOHN is related to them??

CAROLE

In a message dated 2/12/99 3:33:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

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I still remember the sound of sudden intake of air by a roomful of Virginia
southsiders when I said "Poy-thress" instead of "Por-tress." Needless to say,
I still wear the letter "O" for outsider. But, I leaned phonics a century or
so before it became a game. Do all regions say "Por-tress?"
j
>>		02/12/1999 3:11:51
Three lines from FrancisDiana.....puleese don't let the subject fade on this one. Even if those pro's
that did the work fabricated half of it (about a 1 in a 1000 chance) we still
need it. If you'll just take it to Kinko's and tell me the bill and the
postage I'll mail you a check right away.

You have got some really substantive material there and we will be forever
deeply appreciative if you'll consent to share it.

Many thanks,

Maynard		02/12/1999 7:30:45
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This was forwarded by another genealogist.

A New Orleans lawyer sought a secured loan for a client. He was told the
loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a piece of
property being offered as collateral. The lawyer took three months to
track down the title to the property dating back to 1803. After sending th=
e
information to the FHA, he received the following reply:

"Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we
note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we
compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the
application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the
proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be
accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin."

Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows:

"Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received. I note
that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by
the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this
country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know
that Louisiana was purchased by the U.S. from France in 1803, the year of
origin identified in our application.

For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to the land
prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by
Right of Conquest from Spain.

The land came into possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the
year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been grante=
d
the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the then reigning monarch=
,
Isabella.

The good queen, being a pious woman and almost as careful about titles as
is the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope befor=
e
she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition.

Now the Pope, as I'm sure you know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the
Son of God. And God, it is commonly accepted, created this world.
Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that He also made that part of
the world called Louisiana. He, therefore, would be the owner of origin. =

I hope you find His original claim to be satisfactory.

Now, may we have the loan?"

=3D=3D=3D=3D GREGORY Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D
Have you looked at the Gregory Family Genealogy Forum?
http://www.genforum.com/gregory

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New PostNew will on the webpage: Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County, 1818. Behests to
grandsons Edward and John Poythress. Thanks for the post, Al.

Lyn.....I'm having a senior moment....didn't you pin down the relationship
between the one of Edward's daughters who married the Poythress guy, thereby
creating the two grandsons? If so you want to send that to Al as an addendum
and he'll tack
comments on to the bottom of the page as I only submitted the will by itself.

Thanks,

Maynard		02/13/1999 2:10:55
Poythress SpellingWhen you use spell check on AOL, it questions the spelling of POYTHRESS and
offers the alternative POITIERS.
BPW

02/13/1999 5:03:23
Land PatentsBarbara Neal, I finally got around to checking that site that Helene gave us,
the one with the BLM patents. It's too bad this type of "patent" came along
after the BLM "process" began and thus none of the original colonies had any
of these type patents recorded with the Bureau of Land Management. The site
was http://www.glorecords.blm.gov ....easy to find and easy to get around
in. And, you can download a digital copy of the original patent document.
Neat.

I checked Florida and there was John P. Poythress in Gadsden, right where he
was supposed to be. Eva Harris got back to me and will be checking to
transcribe the text from that Florida Muster of the Seminole Indian Wars if
she can locate it. There is just no way the James P. in the muster index
can't be THIS same James P. I would really be surprised if not.

I also checked Ohio and found the Joshua Poythress patent. I guess I just
made the association all by myself but somehow I had gotten the idea that the
Joshua who did the Ohio land patents was the same Joshua who had lost the
eighteen hundreds law suits in Ky. and had moved to Ohio on a land patent. I
was surprised that the orginal patent had Robert Bolling as the Warantee named
in 1790 and Joshua looks to be only pencilled in at the bottom of the
document. Given that we had a number of Joshuas in that time frame plus the
lapse of time , I'm inclined to leave the question open with respect to this
Joshua being the same Joshua whose lawsuits were "dismissed" in the Kentucky
courts from 1824 to 1827. We would probably all guess that those dismissed
Kentucky lawsuits pertained to some property of William P. who, it is likely,
was the father of Joshua. Still a chance they are the same guy but that's a
stetch of time in there.

I'm hoping we'll get a better bead on it when (if?) the KY Archives gets
around to filling my order for the copies of the suits.

Checked Alabama & Mississippi. Both came up blank, a mild surprise.

Louisiana had a James A. Poythress patenting two pieces of land. He is a
stranger to me.

Maynard		02/13/1999 5:23:18
Re: PronunciationI'm one of those southside Virginia Poythresses so it should come as no
surprise that I was raised saying "P O R T R E S S".

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:04:38 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>>>>>
>I still remember the sound of sudden intake of air by a roomful of
>Virginia
>southsiders when I said "Poy-thress" instead of "Por-tress." Needless
>to say,
>I still wear the letter "O" for outsider. But, I leaned phonics a
>century or
>so before it became a game. Do all regions say "Por-tress?"
>j<<<<
>
>J....we had a round-robin on that years ago but we're probably about
>due for
>another.
>It was great fun and interesting too. My mother, a school teacher,
>allowed as
>how it was decided by whether you lived in the city or the country.
>In the
>country it was "Por-tress" and in the city is was pronounced as
>spelled. I
>answer to either as we probably all have learned to do but I use the
>"full
>boat" when I say it.
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Poythress in Brunswick and North CarolinaYes, Jean, I agree; we should not rule out a connection between Lewis
Poythress and his contemporaries Hardiman, Odam and John Poythress. I
just wanted to make sure everyone understands that 1) Teresa and her
ancestors are in the Lewis Poythress line and 2) some twentieth-century
Poythresses resident in Halifax and perhaps Northampton, N.C., are also
in the Lewis Poythress line. My goal would be to avoid wasted efforts
researching nineteenth and twentieth century Poythress connections that
are known and resolved. That should leave us all more time to work on
possible eighteenth century connections.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:24:56 -0500 Jean Spille
writes:

Lyn, I understand the connection to Lewis, but why are we ruling out a
connection to the Northampton guys? Who were Lewis's siblings?
According to census records, my James was born 1785. Also, there are the
brothers, Hardiman, Odam, and John in Northampton...I am not sure of
their birthdates, but I believe around 1750-1760. I know John and
Hardiman served in the Revolutionary War. I think my James is the son of
Hardiman, but I can't prove it. I know that John had no children and I
know that Odam's children are probably Littlebury, Priscilla, and Dellia.
There are my James and a John on the 1820 Northampton Census. My line
intermarried with Indians and I think many in the Southside did. Teresa
said her folks have Indian features. My folks do not...blond, hazel
eyes, smooth skin. Jean

llbaird@juno.com wrote:
Yes, Jean, we have lots of information on this Willie Thomas Poythress,
great-grandfather of Teresa, including records of him in the 1900, 1910
and 1920 federal census. Willie is my grand-uncle. My mother was
personally acquainted with Willie Poythress; I have heard her speak of
him and of his children many times. Only very recently my parents
visited Willie's grave site in Gasburg. Willie is the great-grandson of
Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co. This is the Lewis Poythress that has
been so much discussed in the Poythress list. Thus going back as far as
her fourth-great-grandfather, Lewis Poythress, born ca 1770, Teresa's
ancestors in the Poythress line are all well known and conclusively
documented. I have sent Teresa a .FTM file containing some of what we
know. If you are interested, I will be happy to share more information
on request.
Regarding the geographic proximity, I am aware of several Poythresses of
Teresa's and my line resident in Halifax Co., NC, after say 1930. Again,
these would have originated in Brunswick Co. and moved south during this
century. If you encounter or have questions about any 20th century
Poythresses in the Halifax/Northampton area, you are welcome to pass the
names by us...we may be able to identify them as some of ours.
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Re: William A./Archer?/Alvin? DortchJohn, thanks so much for your informative response on William
Archer/Alvin Dortch. Yes, please share with us all you know about the
Dortch line. Many of us will be interested and especially so Barbara
Poythress Wolfe , descendant of the referenced David
Poythress and one of those Dortch ladies, which one I do not just now
recall.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Mecklenburg marriagesSarah PoythressI went to Boydton, Mecklenburg,Va yesterday. This is what I found and
copied. It was in one of the large marriage books they have at the
courthouse.

24 Jan 1856 G.D. Redmon, 28, widower, Charlotte Co. s/o Collier and Ann
Redmon
Sarah A. V.(Looked like) Poythress, 21, Single,
Mecklenburg Co. d/o
Edward and M. Poythress, Minister; J.C. Granberry.

Lyn, I think this is Edward and Malahay's daughter. What do you think? If
so, and the George I found in Granville County is their son, we have two of
their children.

20 Dec 1863 William S. (maybe L.) Poythress, 21, single, Mecklenburg Co. s/o
Thomas and Lucy Poythress to Anna J. Jones, 25, single,
Mecklenburg
Co. d/o James B. and Martha Jones. H. Arnold

07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress, 24,
single,
Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa A.
Benton, 21
single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton. J.M.
Benton

19 Dec 1894 John N. Kinker(Best I could make out), 23,single, Mecklenburg
Co. s/o
Henry and Lucy T/L B(couldn't read writing) to Ada F.
Poythress, 23,
single, Mecklenburg Co. d/o W.L. and A.J. Poythress.
J.M. Coleman

Hope someone can get me stright on these names and where they fit. I didn't
have a Richard for Thomas and Lucy. Not sure about Ada.

Sarah		02/13/1999 9:38:35
New PostThere is a new post on the webpage: the family of Joseph & Mary Poythress of
Troup County, Georgia. It is listed under charts and studies. The "event
line" begins in 1788 and concludes with the second and third generations in
1880.

While this is a long read there are several interesting things about this
family:

1) the genealogical mystery is where did Joseph come from (other than being
born in
1788 in Warren County, Georgia). Later family given names of Francis and
Hardeman suggest he is part of the Virginia Prince George family.....as is
virtually everybody else.

2) Joseph accumulated upward of 100 slaves. More than a half dozen are cited
by name in various documents cited so if you have an A/A friend doing Georgia
or Alabama research it may be helpful.

Interestingly, at emancipation many of the slaves took (or had it given to
them before emancipation) the Poythress name. The 1870 Troup County, Georgia
census enumerates a number of Poythress families designated "col". Few are
left on the 1880 census so many had likely moved west to Alabama or changed
their names. The 1890 census doesn't exist and by the 1900 census they are
all gone.

3) Joseph was one of the founders and president of the trustees of LaGrange
Female Academy which later became (and still is) LaGrange College, a
regionally well regarded institutution. There was a wave of these local
private institutions for both women and men founded in the late 1850's. Few
of them survived the war.

4) son Francis Andrew Poythress (d. 1860 cause: "Liquor") married a Caroline
Ware who was a leader in the Nancy Harts, an organization of women who armed
themselves and trained regularly preparing for the defense of LaGrange in Mr.
Lincoln's war. While they had no opportunity to prove military capabilty, in
1865 they successfully prevailed on a commanding Federal officer not to burn
the place down.

5) the son "Frank Andrew" is Francis Andrew, the subject of the F. A.
Poythress Bible records which Barbara P. Neal has transcribed and had
published.

6) this was in almost every way a very unusual family. If the event line were
not so tragic it would be funny. It's not our first and no doubt won't be our
last dysfunctional family but they likely set the standard.

Maynard		02/13/1999 9:41:17
Re: Thomas Poythress of BrunswickTeresa, in case this has not already been answered for you:

1) "DO" probably means "DITTO". Look above in the list and see if there
is a county mentioned in a prior entry.

2) There are at least two, maybe more, Thomas Poythresses in Brunswick
Co. during that period. We know there are at least two because we have
an order book entry that includes both a Thomas Poythress and a Thomas
Poythress, Jr. (Note, in this time period "Jr." did not necessarily
imply relationship.) A Thomas Poythress of Brunswick Co. is the father
of Meredith Poythress and thus the ancestor of Bud, Maynard and others on
the Poythress List. We do not yet know whether Meredith's father Thomas
Poythress equals Thomas Poythress the witness equals Thomas Poythress the
grantee from Thomas Clary. Help us find out.

Evidence suggests the possibility that your ancestor Lewis Poythress is
the brother of Meredith Poythress, but direct proof has not yet emerged.
So I encourage you to keep digging on Lewis, Thomas and Meredith
Poythress Mecklenburg and Brunswick Counties.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:53:17 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:
>To all,
>
>I have a question or two about some entries I have from deed books/
>will
>books...
>
>In this entry David Maitland Susanna Poythress married Oct.25 1788,
>under
>county it had DO. What is this?
>
>And there is a Thomas Poythress that is listed repeatedly as a
>witness on
>Brunswick Co. deeds in 1788's and 1790's. Do you know which Thomas
>this is?
>
>Do you know this Thomas? It is of great interest to me!
>
>This Indenture made this 12th day of August 1791 between Thomas Clary
>of
>Brunswick County of the one part and Thomas Poythress of the same
>County of
>the other part. . . for and in consideration of the sum of thirty
>seven
>pounds . . . doth bargain sale and confirm unto the said Thomas
>Poythress .
>. . one certain tract or parcel of land containing eighty five acres .
>. .
>lying and being in the County aforesaid and is bounded as follows to
>wit.....
>
>It goes on to tell where the land is. The reason this caught my eye
>is
>because I was a Clary before I was married. I just thought it was
>interesting.
>
>Teresa
>
>
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Re: Wall-PoythressSteve, if I did not include a husband for Ann Poythress, it means either
1) Mr. Batte did not include the information on her card or 2) I
overlooked it when transcribing. Either is quite possible. Check her
card at the URL I gave you and let us know.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:51:20 EST SteveW602@aol.com writes:
Lyn, Barbara, Lou, Al, Maynard,
You folks are incredible! I took all Saturday afternoon to digest all
the responses I got, and I really appreciate all of them. Let me be sure
I have a list of all the facts and sort-of facts we all have about
Wall-Poythress (forgive me if I repeat things you have just said or that
you presented to my Dad in your earlier discussions).
1. Mr. Battes chart says there was a Wall-Poythress marriage but shows
no reference or details (dates, etc.) Right? I note that Lyn doesn't
list Wall as Ann's hubby on the spreadsheet - any reason?....
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Re: A William Poythress MarriageJean SpillePat Autry wrote:
>
> I was in Cumberland County, NC briefly on 2/12 searching for Autry info
> and found this marriage listing in the reference book North Carolina
> Marriages Early to 1800 by Liahona Research, Inc., edited by Jordan R.
> Dodd @1990.
>
> William Poythress to Ann Lewis 27 Sept 1785 Bertie Co, NC
>
> I'm too new to this list to know if it's helpful to anyone. Just thought
> I would post it. Pat
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Pat,

I have long had an interest in this Poythress. I believe there is a
strong possiblity that he connects somehow to my line over in
Northamtpon,,,since at that time Nothampton was a part of Bertie. Does
any one out there have any other information on this William or his
wife?

Jean		02/14/1999 3:37:42
BACK IN BUSINESSCharles NealWELCOME BACK, Al, with great appreciation and best wishes on getting
Maynard even-more-computer-literate to post our stuff.

I do have a question Re: "4. as an article or item gets to the page you
should personally send a message to the discussion group saying that such
and such is now posted and ready for viewing (sounds like a funeral, sorry
about that). Anyway, we are leaving this for YOU to do because there
likely will be some introductory type comments in the announcement that you
yourself will want to make. Not among the least of these would be to
perhaps say what your purpose was and solicit corrections or additions."

I'll be glad to make an announcement at such times, but how will I know
when something I send has been put up on the site? (For example, the image
copies of the Poythress-Preston Bible info that I sent to Al a l-o-n-g time
ago; I've periodically checked the "Bible" section as well as the "Images"
section of the site, but still don't see them)

Thanks again for helping us "get on with the show"
BPN		02/14/1999 7:21:35
Por-tress vs Poy-thressCharles NealDear jbv,

No, "all regions" do not say Por-tress. My branch of the family that
migrated from Southside Virginia to Alabama & Mississippi in 1853 all say
Poy-thress, though they certainly have had to answer to folks calling us
Por-tress (and other pronunciations) for many years.
BPN

> > >
I still remember the sound of sudden intake of air by a roomful of
Virginia
southsiders when I said "Poy-thress" instead of "Por-tress." Needless to
say,
I still wear the letter "O" for outsider. But, I leaned phonics a century
or
so before it became a game. Do all regions say "Por-tress?"
j		02/14/1999 8:50:17
Fla. Muster RollsCharles NealEva & Maynard,

Great to hear that you, Eva, can check on these. Actually there were more
listed (due to the eternal spelling problem) than Maynard mentioned in his
message, according to some earlier messages from our List-Meister Al Tims.

In summary, these are the pages given for all these variations of
names/positions:

Volume 2, pp. 72-75
Volume 7, pp. 9-10; 15-24

The messages gave the following entries, which I've grouped here by name.
Apparently their sources each listed the name, followed by a volume #, and
then page numbers:

1) Poythress, James Pvt. 07:017-18,
Poythress, James 07:021-22 (Thus, apparently, volume 7, and
pp.17-18 and 21-22)

2) Porthryss, James Pvt 07: 019-20

3) Portress, William Pvt 07: 023-24

4) Poythress, William T. 1st Lt. 07:017-18 (Same as for James)

5) Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt. 07:021-22 (Same as for James)
Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt. 07: 09-10

6) Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt. 02: 072-73
Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt. 02: 074075
Porthress, Wm. T 2nd Lt. 07: 019-20

Thank you so much for any assistance you can furnish.
BPN		02/14/1999 8:50:20
Batte Research NotesSomeone the other day asked if Mr. Batte's research material (other than the
"cards" already posted) is available.

The answer is yes, but one has to go to the Library of Virginia to get it.
The extensive card catalog on this material is below.

Maynard

LVA ARCHIVES AND MANUSCRIPTS DATABASE
(INCLUDES BIBLE RECORDS) : CATALOG CARD

Accession No 35260
Author Batte, R. Bolling (Robert Bolling), 1906-1996.
Title Papers, 1918-1992.
Record Ser. Personal papers collection; 35260.
Quantity 26.9 cu. ft.
Format In part, photocopies.
Other Format Biographical card files also available on microfilm (Misc. Reels
1952-2029).
Background Born in Norfolk, Virginia on 13 August 1906. Graduated from
Virginia Military Institute in 1928. Engineer, C & P Telephone Co. Earned an
LL.B. degree from Virginia College of Law. Resident of Richmond, Virginia.
Died in Petersburg, Virginia on 3 June 1996. Buried in Elmwood Cemetery,
Norfolk, Virginia.
Summary Genealogical research files of Robert Bolling Batte, including family
research files, subject files and county research notes, extensive information
on the Batte, Brodnax, Ingram, Epes/Eppes and Jones families, and biographical
card files. Also contained in the collection is information which was compiled
by Augusta B. Fothergill (Augusta Bridgland Middleton Fothergill, 1876-1965)
and Alice L. Ingram (Alice Littlepage Ingram, 1891-1982). Every effort was
made during processing of the collection to maintain the original order of the
materials. In some cases, information amassed by all three individuals can be
found in the same folder.
Summary The family research files contain genealogical notes abstracted form
court records, including deed books, order books, will books and marriage
records. There is a substanial amount of information on the Blow, Bolling,
Drummond, Harrison, Jones, Lee, Lewis, Moseley, Poythress, Smith and Willis
families. Families researched are from all over Virginia, but there is a
particular emphasis on those from Amelia, Brunswick, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg,
Nottoway, Prince George and Sussex Counties. The majority of this group of
records were compiled by Augusta B. Fothergill.
Summary The subject files and county research notes also include abstracts
from court records, as well as correspondence, clippings, tombstone
inscriptions, pedigree charts and published works. This group of records is
largely the work of R. Bolling Batte.
Summary The Batte files contain information on the descendants of Captain
John Batte who came to Virginia from Oakwell Hall, Yorkshire, England in 1643.
Included is correspondence, abstracts, source material received from other
individuals, as well as various forms of a manuscript on the Batte family,
which R. Bolling Batte had intended to complete and publish.
Summary The Brodnax/Ingram files were compiled by Alice Littlepage Ingram and
contain correspondence, source material from other individuals, copies of
court records, and information on Brodnax family homes.
Summary The Epes/Eppes files document R. Bolling Batte's interest in the
ancestors of Francis Epes I. They include court record copies and abstracts,
Bible records, correspondence, trial charts, clippings, source notes from
other individuals, and other information concerning Batte's membership in the
Epes Society.
Summary The Jones files contain information compiled by Augusta B. Fothergill
in the course of researching her book PETER JONES AND RICHARD JONES
GENEALOGIES, published in 1924. They include court record abstracts, Bible
records, correspondence, notes from other individuals and manuscript drafts.
Summary The biographical card files contain more than thirty thousand cards,
each representing an individual. Each card gives as much information on the
subject as was known when they were compiled, including date and place of
birth, full names of parents, date and place of marriage(s), name of spouse,
notation of education, public offices held, profession, military service, date
and place of death, and place of burial. Codes are used on the right end of
each line to indicate sources. On the backs of the cards appear extracts from
pertinent documents, tombstone inscriptions, obituary notices and a listing of
the subject's children.
Summary There is also an extensive alphabetical subject index to the VIRGINIA
CAVALCADE. At the end of the card files is an index to the sources which were
used in the compilation of the biographical card files. The canary yellow
cards give the author of the source and are filed alphabetically. The cherry
cards give the subject of the source and are also filed alphabetically. Also
included are miscellaneous index cards to sources, counties, cities, family
Bibles, cemetery records, census lists, marriage records, newspapers, other
published sources, parish registers and wills which were used in the
compilation of the card files. Finally, there is a title/subject card index
covering articles appearing in CIVIL WAR TIMES ILLUSTRATED. All of the card
files are available on microfilm (Misc. Reels 1952-2029).
Finding Aid Inventory available in repository Folder level control.
Cite As R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992. Accession 35260, Personal papers
collection, The Library of Virginia, Richmond, Va. 23219.
Related Augusta B. Fothergill Papers, 1925-1955 (Accession 35204).
Subject Epes, Francis, I 1597-ca. 1658.
Subject Batte family.
Subject Blow family.
Subject Brodnax family.
Subject Drummond family.
Subject Harrison family.
Subject Ingram family.
Subject Jones family.
Subject Lee family.
Subject Lewis family.
Subject Poythress family.
Subject Smith family.
Subject Willis family.
Subject Bolling family.
Subject Epes family.
Subject Moseley family.
Form Abstracts.
Form Bible records -- Virginia.
Form Card files.
Form Clippings.
Form Epitaphs.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Amelia County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Brunswick County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Dinwiddie County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Lunenburg County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Nottoway County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Prince George County.
Form Genealogies -- Virginia -- Sussex County.
Form Letters (correspondence)
Form Pedigrees.
Form Personal papers -- Virginia.
Form Public records
Form Transcripts.
Added Entry Fothergill, Augusta B. (Augusta Bridgland Middleton), 1876-1965.
Added Entry Ingram, Alice Littlepage, 1891-1982.		02/14/1999 9:04:52
Land PatentsCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks so much for your find in Ohio re the Joshua Poythress patent. When I
checked the site, I located the following ones that you apparently missed
(including one in Mississippi), probably due to the eternal spelling
differences:

Mississippi: patentee Littleberry H. Poytress, signed 12/10/1840
Arkansas: patentee Lilly Poythress; warrantee Peter Poythress, signed
11/27/1820

Your message is a good reminder that folks can easily pull up these great
old documents at the aforementioned site:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov

(There are also some PORTIS and PORTEOUS ones in some states that are easy
to find by just typing in that name in the search for Patentee block. I
haven't tried every conceivable spelling)

BPN		02/14/1999 9:54:28
RE:A William Poythress MarriagePat AutryI was in Cumberland County, NC briefly on 2/12 searching for Autry info
and found this marriage listing in the reference book North Carolina
Marriages Early to 1800 by Liahona Research, Inc., edited by Jordan R.
Dodd @1990.

William Poythress to Ann Lewis 27 Sept 1785 Bertie Co, NC

I'm too new to this list to know if it's helpful to anyone. Just thought
I would post it. Pat		02/14/1999 12:26:30
Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; KennonCharles NealLyn,
Weren't some of the names in my subject line (above) ones that you were
trying to learn the connection of, to some Poythress who was in business
very early in VA somewhere? I have copied this from the VA Southside-List,
from their Digest V99, #79 (which was dated 10 Feb 1999).

This lady shows wonderful detail & sourcing! She lists a grandchild,
Francis Poythress, among her "Notes for John Worsham." Of the possible
children of whom that Francis Poythress could have been born, I suspect she
may not know conclusively (since she didn't ascribe the grandchildren to
particular children). Apparently the list of John Worsham's children &
grandchildren came from the Will she lists immediately above the info:
"Henrico Wills & Deeds 1725-1737, p.248." That is a book I haven't seen,
so I don't know the author/compiler offhand.

I was interested to learn from her great info, that "Littleberry" was a
surname found a lot in Lincolnshire, England I would guess that a fair
number of the Littleberry/Littlebury given names in VA came from their
ancestors' surnames from there.
BPN
> > >
Message text written by INTERNET:VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com
>______________________________------------------------------		02/15/1999 1:27:04
The Bryants of GADear Cuz -- Debbie Freeman

Sorry it has taken me this long to get back to you on the "Bryant" name, but
have been sort of under the weather for a few days. But I found nothing on
that name with a connection to my Poythress line.

However, I recently received a reference question from BPW on a Salzburger
connection, and while I was checking out her question, I wondered if the
Bryant's could have a Salzburger connection? "Pay Dirt" - maybe!

The Bryants were not Salzburgers themselves, I don't believe, but they surely
did marry into many good Salzburger families, it seems. Could any of these
names be of help with your research? Some if it rather recently too!

7/12/1855: - Cornelia Bryant married William Patterson Wylly (b. 4/30/1891;
---- --- -- - Florence Adelaide Bryant married Winfield Scott Morel (b.
10/10/1848;
11/11/1822 - Jane Bryant (b. 1802 & d. 6/1/1881)(d/o James Bryant) married
John W. Remshart (b. 1801 & d. 7/3/1878); Their children
were Pernella, Amanda, and William E.);
---- --- -- - Edwin Bryant married Myrtie Allen Snooks (b.8/25/1889)(d/o
David Porter Snooks and his 2nd wife Rebecca T. [Ryall] Snooks);
7/6/1945 - Glen Bryant married Alvena Sherouse;
3/30/1940 - Clarence Bryant married Oleto Sherouse - Their children were
Barbara Jean, Judy Ann, Gloria Marie, and Silas Langley;
2/1/1921 - Clara [Thigpen] Bryant (b. 2/26/1896)(d/o Calee L and Alice
[Mansell] Thigpen) married Leslie Allen Sherouse (b. 4/2/1893 & d.
6/10/1949) and their children were Eleanor Albert Bryant - by a previous
marriage, and Alyce Clara Sherouse (b. 12/5/1921) ..... (PS -- It
appears Lesslie A Sherouse was married before to a Bryant also, maybe!);
7/27/1968 - Nancy Bryant (b. 9/2/1950) married Wesley Samuel Clyatt (b.
7/3/1948......

Maybe this will keep you busy for a while!!

I pulled this information from the book titled "Georgia Salzburgers and Allied
Families" which is presently under it's 4th revision and updating, I
understand. I am a descendant of the Salzburgers through my mother's side of
the family (the Gnann's). If you would like to learn more of the Salzburgers
you might checkout website ......
>>> http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/History/salzb/salzsett.html <<<

I hope this is helpful in your area of research........

My regards to the family,

Bud
BPoythress@aol.com		02/15/1999 2:11:59
Re: Fla. Muster RollsThanks for updating that, Barb. I still make book that James P. Poythress was
our Screven County guy and was a "stand alone". William "of the many
spellings and ranks" was likely the same guy but it's difficult to see how he
could get himself listed 7 times. Maybe they listed every payday or
something. 🙂 Or maybe he got PAID 7 times, making him all the more deserving
of admiration. That one will be interesting if Eva can get it dug out.

Maynard		02/15/1999 2:51:43
RE: Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; KennonLou PooleIf anyone in our group is interested in the subject family
relationships, I would advise using the information that was forwarded
earlier very carefully.

I am intimately familiar with these families because my wife is a
descendant of William Worsham and Elizabeth (Littleberry?). The very
best published source of information I have found on these families is
in Clara Leone (Cammack) Park's book, "Francis Moody (1769-1821), His
Ancestors, Descendants, and Related Families." (Wonderfully
researched and documented, though a bit hard to read with so much
detail.)

Elizabeth (m. 1) William Worsham, 2) Col. Francis Epes) has not been
proven to be a Littleberry, and the connection to Lincolnshire,
England, is merely a theory. Some think that she might have been
previously married before she married William Worsham. It is a fact,
though, that the name Littleberry (or Littlebury) appears often among
her descendants, and she does seem to be the source of this signature
name.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neal [mailto:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com]
Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 2:27 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; Kennon

Lyn,
Weren't some of the names in my subject line (above) ones that you
were
trying to learn the connection of, to some Poythress who was in
business
very early in VA somewhere? I have copied this from the VA
Southside-List,
from their Digest V99, #79 (which was dated 10 Feb 1999).

This lady shows wonderful detail & sourcing! She lists a grandchild,
Francis Poythress, among her "Notes for John Worsham." Of the
possible
children of whom that Francis Poythress could have been born, I
suspect she
may not know conclusively (since she didn't ascribe the grandchildren
to
particular children). Apparently the list of John Worsham's children
&
grandchildren came from the Will she lists immediately above the info:
"Henrico Wills & Deeds 1725-1737, p.248." That is a book I haven't
seen,
so I don't know the author/compiler offhand.

I was interested to learn from her great info, that "Littleberry" was
a
surname found a lot in Lincolnshire, England I would guess that a
fair
number of the Littleberry/Littlebury given names in VA came from their
ancestors' surnames from there.
BPN		02/15/1999 4:04:02
Re: Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; KennonStarrBPN wrote this in her "alert" to Lyn about the above surnames. I can add:

>"Henrico Wills & Deeds 1725-1737, p.248." That is a book I haven't seen,
>so I don't know the author/compiler offhand.

Benj. Weisiger ("III" I believe) is the transcriber; his books
are now published by Iberian Press, Athens, GA. Weisiger did a masterful
job ... all his books are worth the price. Iberian Press has a website,
but our own Craig Scott carries the line. Now for the usual disclaimer
of my having no financial interest blah, blah -- just a happy owned of
several of Weisiger's books. Linda

Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy
for RANKIN / ORR pictures
pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/photos.htm		02/15/1999 8:46:53
RE: Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; KennonCharles NealLou,

Thank you for your knowledge-based input for caution.

BPN

02/15/1999 10:23:13
Re: Worsham; Ligon; Epes; Bolling; Littleberry; KennonCharles NealLinda,

Thanks for the identification of this as Weisiger (Henrico Wills & Deeds
1725-1737, p.248). He indeed did great work

BPN		02/15/1999 10:23:23
Poythress ArchivesTimsPoythress List,

For those of you who may have joined the list in recent months, or have an
interest in researching information contained in the thousands of prior
postings, there is a very useful full-text searchable archive. It can be found
at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

By the way, we now have more than 80 subscribers to the Poythress-L and
Poythress-D lists.

Best,
Al Tims		02/15/1999 10:54:52
Poythress ArchivesCharles NealAl Tims,

Welcome back & thanks so much for the update on how many of us there are.
80+ That's great!

BPN		02/15/1999 11:27:51
Francis (4) Family History ChartsDebra FreemanDoes anyone know anything about Francis (4) -(from the Batte Chart) family
histories? I've gone directly to Maynard and Bud to see if they have
anything. I just cannot connect my William E. (b.1833 - VA? d.1907 - GA)
to any of the known other lines. I am guessing/hoping this is our
connection. It was the portion Mr. Batte never started, if I remember
right.
Anyone have any clues for me to track down?
Thanks
Debbie		02/15/1999 12:15:54
Sheriff PoythressTeresa WillisSorry about all the short little entries, but I have been busy,busy, busy
today.

I found this entry in a deed book yesterday:

Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick co.... Receipt was signed by Wm
Poythress sher.
Proved 29May 1754. Litt Taxewell CC

Questions:

I assume sher. means Sheriff, is that correct? If Wm is William this may be
connection for the Willie name.
If he was sheriff shouldn't the county have records of county officials?
Have any of you ever looked these up in Brunswick? Also these people that
keep showing up as witnesses on deeds and wills (they seem to be the same
ones over and over) did they work for the county? Or were they just friends
or family? There is Thomas Poythress that shows up as witness repeatedly
and there is a Robert Abernathy (another one of my ancestors) , I do know
that he was a county official of some kind.
If they, by chance, were working for the county in some capacity, where
would I look for these records? Have any of you ever found any evidence of
this?

Does anyone want me to post all of the entries I found in the deed and will
books at the Brunswick library?

Teresa,
Toot@jnent.com		02/16/1999 2:05:09
Re: Thomas PortisCousins,

The website is looking wonderful! I am interested in knowing something
more about THOMAS PORTIS who was listed in Cavaliers and Pioneers: abstracts
of Land Patents and Grants (absracted and indexed by Nell Martha Nugent, Va.
St. Library, Richmond, 1977.THOMAS PORTIS was apparently an indentured
servant? "Mr. JOHN THOMAS 1000acs. at the head of a Cr. in Potomack freshes
beyond the Doeggs Island & land of COL. SPEAKE, adj land of ROBERT LORD &
JAMES MAGREGORY & a seate(?) of JOHN WOODS: 4 April 1671, p.358. Trans.of 20
persons..." THOMAS PORTIS being one of them.

Other names on the list were people whose last names were GREGORY, NEALE,
BRIGGES, THURSTONE, CARNER, MERIWETHER, DUNSTONE, GRNDWILE, MOODY, COOKE,
THOROWGOOD, LAWRENCE, FREEMAN, APPLETON,BREWTON, BRUSSELLS, DOD, COLE & ROSSE.

Does anyone know anything more about this THOMAS PORTIS??? The spelling of
the name leads me to believe there could be a possiblity he is connected with
my ancestor JOHN PORTIS who married SARAH JANE WILDER before 1753 and died in
1794 in Halifax District, NC ?

Thanks,

Carole
Caroline Burnett Cook		02/16/1999 2:13:31
Re: Batte Research NotesI notice there's lots of reference to the Eppes family in the writeup in your
message. Do you think there is a chance that the "trial chart of the Eppes
family" (referred to in the notes on the Poythress chart) might be contained
in the archive? Has anyone actually plowed through the whole 26.9 cu. ft. ?

I'm interested because the note mentions "numerous descendants" of Ann and
John are contained in the trial chart of the Eppes family. I notice that
Batte uses that same phrase, "trial chart" in his title of the Poythress
chart.

Steve Wall		02/16/1999 2:44:34
Re: [Fwd: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass]In a message dated 2/16/99 6:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cctowns@thenett.com writes:

> Subj: [Fwd: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass]
> Date: 2/16/99 6:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: cctowns@thenett.com (Cliff Townsend)
> Reply-to: cctowns@thenett.com (Townsend, Cliff)
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com (John M. Poythress)
>
> Maynard,
> Surprise! It is not much info but at least there is one relative in
> Minnesota and the hint of the American Genealogy Assoc. Although, it
> could have been given to any one of the general associations I guess.
> Maybe a letter could be drafted and sent to each of the accociations and
> see if there is any response.
>
> I tired with my connection to Okla. City. Eddie is married to my 1st
> cousin and also of the same descendant.
> sheryl
>
>
> --------------------
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> Hello Sheryl and Cliff
>
> I bet you think I have forgotten about this, however I have not. I have
> talked to two people in their block who knew them but they were not much
> help. Mrs. Grass passed away almost 5 years ago. Mr. Grass passed away
> about three years ago. There house sold and new people moved in about 8
> months ago. These people know nothing about the Grasses. One of the men I
> talked with knew about the genealogy work that Mrs. Grass had done but did
> not know what happened to it. He suggested contacting the American
> Association of Genealogy. (We may not have that name right but I am sure
> you know the association he is talking about.) The other man met a nephew
> at the time of the funerals but could not remember his name but knew he
> lived in Minnesota. Nether man knew of any family members or friends that
> might still be here in OKC.
>
> This is not much help but it is all I have been able to come up with. If
> you get anymore leads on family or friends I will try to find them for you.
>
> How is everyone back your way? We are all fine. We would like to come
your
> way sometime this spring. Judy will be getting in touch with you to look
at
> dates. We will bring Hayes and try to work in Larry and his family also,
it
> has been along time since I have been in LA.
>
> Talk to you soon.
>
> Eddie
>
> John E. "Ed" Norlin
> enorlin@oklahoman.com

WOW! Sheryl.....you and your pals hang on like pit bulls! Good for you. I'm
inclined to agree with the nasty Gestapo health custodian lady for Mr. & Mrs.
Grass who snarled at me that she "burned all those old papers that Mrs. Grass
was always fooling around with". However, if all it takes is writing a
letter, it's certainly worth a postage stamp to keep the elusive ball in the
air. I'll ask Barbara Poythress Neal to write and I'll invest a phone call
to the NGS.

My guess is the "society" to which they referred is almost certainly the
National Genealogical Society, 4727 Arlington St. North, Arlington, VA
22207-2399.......of which Barbara Poythress Neal is a member and I''m asking
Barbara to write them inquiring if a Mrs. Frank Grass of Oklahoma City
happened to have arranged for some of her research material to have found its
way into their files in the past 5 or so years. Since Mrs. Grass was very
specifically focussed on "Poythress" (to the exclusion of almost everything
else) the material would likely be conspicuous if it is indeed there.

Simultaneously, I will phone Dereka Smith, the NGS librarian with whom I have
an aquaintance, and make the same query.

I never was able to make the connection between Mrs. Grass and the family.
If I just had to make a guess it would be that perhaps her maiden name was
Poythress. And there also may be a chance that one of our new Georgia-origin
members (knock-knock Debbie) may have heard of this lady in a kinship role,
even if not knowing she was big time into genealogy. After all, I'm fairly
sure we are talking as early as mid-60's when Mrs. Grass was doing all of her
work....which is a long time ago for sweet young thangs like Debbie Freeman 🙂
who was likely all of 4 or 5 at the time.

Sheryl, although I am no less by a whisker grateful to your pals for bird-
dogging this one, I'm afraid this trail has gone cold......but I gotta say: I
said that before and was wrong. "Burning papers" is not something commonly
done in a plain old American suburban environment. Maybe the things are still
around. I would like to hope that "papers", looking like a ton of work that
"somebody" did, tend to survive.

One bullet is that I am in touch with John Paul Wagnon in Duncan, OK (about 80
or so miles S. of OkCity). We are chasing several of his folks who
mysteriously wound up in our part of SE Ga. with names like Thomas Poythress
Wagnon and John Poythress Wagnon. Paul, would you be so kind as to contact
the Oklahoma Genealogical Society.....or maybe even the Oklahoma CITY society
(if there is one)
and ask if they had some Poythress papers dumped in their laps in the last
five or six years by anyone named Grass (Frank or Mrs. Frank). They will
likely treat you like you're from outer space but I reckon it won't be the
first time for you in this crazy hobby.

This lady had a mountain of papers and had worked forty years in that Burke-
Screven area. Her "home health care custodian" never would let me even talk
to her when I called but I did catch Mr. Grass one time......and even though
he was a tad dotty at the time he regaled me with stories of how he had driven
his wife all over south Georgia and hefted those dusty old court house boxes
around for her. How she wound up in Oklahoma City is also a mystery to me.
She ran her "queries" in the Ga. Genealogical Journal (at least the ones I
saw).....but it seems to me to be at least probable that if she just died with
no instructions for her papers that they might have been more likely to end up
with a "local" group than shipped off to Virginia.

Figuring the "nephew" referred to had maybe a 25% chance of being named
Grass, I put "Grass" and "Minnesota" into www.whowhere.com and there are 142
of the rascals in Minnesota. I reckon Al has better use for his time than
chasing this will o' the wisp. Just no percentage in this one.

If neither Barbara nor I make a hit, I say forget it. Which probably means
you'll find the papers in a few months, Sheryl, and if so I'll be delighted to
be embarrassed.

Thanks again to your Ok. City pals for digging this one out, Sheryl.

Best,

Maynard		02/16/1999 3:08:07
Re: Batte Research NotesSteve, I chuckled when I saw that 26.9 cu ft number......I guess I never heard
of papers being measured that way. But no, I'd also guess no one on our list
has plowed through all that stuff because that was the first reference seen to
"papers" as opposed to the 8 x 5 "cards" that LVA electronically scanned and
posted. But the LVA sho nuff says they have them in that new write-up on the
Batte stuff they have. Would 40M 8 x 5 index cards take up the whole 26.9 cu
ft? Gee. I never measured.

My guess (but only a guess) would be that since Batte referred to that Epes
chart several times that it is in there and I'd further guess that Batte
himself probably made the thing.

Did you catch that earlier thread about the Epes family book....$30 to Mrs.
Herbert R. Holden, 430 Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805....and worth it.
There are 37 separate colonial Poythresses in the index. John Frederick
Dorman wrote the thing (probably on contract) and he is a pro in every sense
of the word. It's hardback, well bound, color illustrations, charts, etc.
etc.

Maynard		02/16/1999 3:22:33
Georgia ArchivesJean and I leave Friday for Atlanta and will probably be there most of next
week. She has another pro bono decorating job......the volume on those is
really terrific. Reminds me of the two good 'ol boys in business buying
Watermelons for a dime and selling them for a nickel. One of them finally
says "damn, I just figured out our problem....we need a bigger truck!".

Anyway, I'll be haunting the Georgia Archives so if any one wants anything
specific looked up just drop me a note. (Debbie, I'll be poking about in the
Screven County stuff as usual and will keep an eye out for Thomas Boston P.
and wife Julia. Since Newington is fairly close to the county line, you don't
have any reason to believe they might be in any of those Effingham County
records, do you?).

Barbara Neal......I phoned the Kentucky Archives yesterday and got hung up in
a terminal telephone roundhouse. Was trying to follow up on the photocopies
for
Joshua's 1820's Kentucky lawsuits. I think the minute they see the location
"in bundles" instead of file drawer number such and such they probably go into
shock. Guess we'll just have to wait 'em out.

Maynard		02/16/1999 5:36:32
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Hello Sheryl and Cliff

I bet you think I have forgotten about this, however I have not. I have
talked to two people in their block who knew them but they were not much
help. Mrs. Grass passed away almost 5 years ago. Mr. Grass passed away
about three years ago. There house sold and new people moved in about 8
months ago. These people know nothing about the Grasses. One of the men I
talked with knew about the genealogy work that Mrs. Grass had done but did
not know what happened to it. He suggested contacting the American
Association of Genealogy. (We may not have that name right but I am sure
you know the association he is talking about.) The other man met a nephew
at the time of the funerals but could not remember his name but knew he
lived in Minnesota. Nether man knew of any family members or friends that
might still be here in OKC.

This is not much help but it is all I have been able to come up with. If
you get anymore leads on family or friends I will try to find them for you.

How is everyone back your way? We are all fine. We would like to come your
way sometime this spring. Judy will be getting in touch with you to look at
dates. We will bring Hayes and try to work in Larry and his family also, it
has been along time since I have been in LA.

Talk to you soon.

Eddie

John E. "Ed" Norlin
enorlin@oklahoman.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheryl Townsend [SMTP:cctowns@thenett.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 1998 5:07 PM
> To: Ed Norlin
> Subject: Re: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass
>
> Thanks Eddie you are so sweet.
> love,
> sheryl
>
> Ed Norlin wrote:
>
> > Hello Sheryl and Cliff
> >
> > I have made several call trying to find someone who knows something
> > about this couple. So far no luck. Will keep trying. I plan some face
> > to face visits with some of the neighbors in hopes of picking up some
> > leads. I will keep you posted
> >
> > Eddie
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sheryl Townsend [SMTP:cctowns@thenett.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 5:02 PM
> > > To: Ed Norlin
> > > Subject: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass
> > >
> > > Eddie.... I have a question for you. We the people of the Poythress
> > > Family line have an interest in a ladies work (research) that was done
> > > many years ago.
> > >
> > > It seems that she lived and did research in Georgia on the Poythress
> > > line. Then moved to Oklahoma City. Mr. & Mrs. Frank Grass, 2506 NW
> > > 66th Street, OK City, OK73116 phone #843-4838. The last letter
> > > written
> > > to them came back undeliverable. They are both up in age so there
> > > really is no telling except for other family members of what has
> > > become
> > > of this woman's research. Her work was very out standing in the
> > > genealogical field.
> > >
> > > I have a Poythress man that has written numberous letters and tried to
> > > pay for postage, copies, anything to beable to preserve her work
> > > without
> > > success. Do you think that you could help find this Frank Grass, Jr.
> > > or
> > > family without to much trouble on your part. Sure would appreciate it
> > > if
> > > you have a spare minute or two for it.
> > >
> > > Hope to hear from you soon,
> > > Love,
> > > sheryl
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

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1640 Thomas PoythressTeresa WillisI did get a chance to go to the Brunswick Co. library yesterday. I found a
book : The Complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660. It seems to me to be a
list of all the indentured slaves that were given to colonist. The only
reference to Poythress was this: Ann Fuller of Sanford(sic), Glos, bound
to Thomas Poytres, merchant, to serve 5 years in Virginia.

This must be our 1640 Thomas. Does Ann Fuller ring any bells?

The only other thing at this point that may help someone is a list of
Poythress tax payers from 1782-1787, everything else was just information we
already have.

Here is the list:

Name Pell Slaves Co
( not sure if this was Pell or
Poll, some of you may know)

Poynthress, Joshua 1 24 Pr.Geo.
Poythress, Mary 18
Pr.Geo.
Poythress, Mary 10
Pr.Geo.
Poythress, Meridith
Brun.
Poythress, Thomas 2 6 Brun.
Poythress, William 1 16
Pr.Geo.
Poythress, William
So'n
Poythriss, Frances 2 1 Din.
Poythriss,John
Din.
Poythriss, Peter 26
Din.
Poythriss, Peter 1 17
Din.
Poythrop, Peter 1 87
Pr.Geo. (thought this might be misspelled)

More later,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		02/16/1999 9:09:56
Prince George Co.Teresa WillisSince the Prince George courthouse burned in war. Is there enough info to
travel to Prince George for research. If so where is the county seat?

And at the chance of sounding completely computer illiterate, could some one
out there please help me with getting some files open? I have been sent 2
census files from Halifax and Granville Co. and I can not get them open.
When I try I get this message:

THIS FILE DOES NOT HAVE A PROGRAM ASSOCIATED
WITH IT FOR PERFORMING THIS ACTION. CREATE AN ASSOCIATION IN MY COMPUTER BY
CLICKING VIEW AND THEN CLICKING FOLDER OPTIONS.

When I did this and tried to set up a new file with .dat it still did not
open it. What am I doing wrong???
The file name is 1970GRAN.dat the message I receive states this
C:/windows/Temp/1790GRAN(1).dat

Someone please advise or if someone would like these files forwarded to
them, tell me how and I'll do that.

Thanks,

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		02/16/1999 10:05:26
Hope springs.....Sheryl: below from Paul Wagnon. Looks like Paul Wagnon will get us about as
good a shot at Oklahoma City's genealogy crowd as we could have expected. My
guess is he will come up empty because I think Mrs. Grass had all that stuff
in her home......but it's "free" to try, thanks to Paul.

Best,

Maynard

>>>
Subj: Mrs Frank Glass
Date: 2/17/99 1:00:19 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: soup@simplynet.net (Paul Wagnon)
To: vkratliff@aol.com (vkratliff)

Hey Maynard,

I don't think that the Mrs Glass who taught music at my grade school and on
through high school could be the lady you are interested in. But she had a
son named Frank. Her name was Avis Glass and she passed away sometime in
the last two or three years. If the Glass family had no more variety in
first names, you do have a problem. There is a Glass recreation vehicle
sales located near Chickasha, Okla. on the way to OKC I'll check on them
the next time I go to OKC.

We are in OKC fairly often and frequent the Genealogy Library at the
Oklahoma Historical Society. I will try to see if they have any of the
records you mentioned. If she did forty years of research on Poythress
they should have it if it was not thrown away. There is a little lady who
is in charge ot the library like the gestapo lady you mentioned. But she
knows that library as well as a computer could. If the info is there, she
can find it.

I have been slowed in my research by several things that consume time.
The latest problem is in trying to get the new computer hooked up and
windows 98 to cooperate. I'm doing this on the old computer and thanking
God I still have it up and running.

More later,

Paul Wagnon		02/17/1999 1:49:33
Re: Sheriff PoythressIn a message dated 2/17/99 8:35:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, lpoole@dallas.net
writes:

> Subj: RE: Sheriff Poythress
> Date: 2/17/99 8:35:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: lpoole@dallas.net (Lou Poole)
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> Maynard wrote:
>
> My guess is Lou Poole has the full citation on that "Wm Poythress,
> sher."
> since John Wall is the other party. But failing a contradiction by
> Lou, I'd
> say it does mean Sheriff. But thats a new one on me. I guess this
> William
> may be a new player.
>
> To Teresa's find:
>
> Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick co.... Receipt was signed by Wm
> Poythress sher.
> Proved 29May 1754. Litt Taxewell CC
>
> Boy, this is a new one on me! I had not encountered that particular
> record before. For what it's worth:
>
> 1) I think there were THREE John Walls in Brunswick at the time
> (1754). Col. John Wall was still alive, his son John Wall, Jr. (who I
> theorize married Ann Poythress) was still there, and a third John
> Wall, who I cannot identify, was there by 1758 when he left a will
> (more on this if anyone wants it). I cannot discren from the above
> record which John Wall was involved.
> 2) I don't know for sure what "sher." means, but I'd sure guess that
> it was sheriff.
> 3) In the back of Janet Gay Neale's "Brunswick County, Virginia,
> 1720-1975" a book that is pretty readily available is a list of
> Brunswick officials and the years they served. It should be pretty
> easy to check out if "sher." meant "sheriff" by checking this listing.
> Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of this book in my possession, and
> I will have to wait for my next visit to the library to check it --
> unless someone can find it sooner.
>
> Lou

To quote "Congs" famous line: Duuuh! I never thought to look in Gay Neales
Brunswick Co. book. Checked the entire list of Sheriffs and "under-
Sheriffs"......nary a Poythress to be found. Maybe William was "sheriff for a
day" or something....so failing that I guess maybe "sher." doesn't mean
sheriff.

Maynard		02/17/1999 2:15:16
Screven Rootsweb ListDebbie.....you might want to think about subscribing to the Rootsweb Screven
list.
Usually when you subscribe to one of those lists your mail box gets filled up
with genealogy messages in which you don't have the slightest interest. Two
things will keep that from happening in this case. First you subscribe by
sending an e-mail to: GASCREVE-D-request@rootsweb.com put "subscribe"
(without the quotes) as the only message and if your email requires a
"subject" line then stick "subscribe" in that slot too.

The "D" in there means you get the digest version.....it's the same identical
messages except they wait until they gang 3 or 4 or more and send 'em to you
all on
a single e-mail with all the "subjects" of all the e-mails down below listed
at the top. Only takes about 2 seconds to run your eye down the list and see
if you might have an interest in any of the messages. If so, scroll down to
it. If not, just click the whole thing off in one keystroke.

Second, the Screven list, as you might well imagine, only gets about 6 or 8 or
so messages a week and about 1 out of every 4 or so have a Poythress mention
in them even if P. is not the main subject.

Also, you get access to the guy who posts the most: a fellow down in Rincon,
Ga. named Bob Peavy who at one time ran his own list and called it the
Ogeechee list since he worked 3 counties: Screven, Effingham and Bulloch. The
guy is a sweetheart and his data base is the mother lode of that tri-county
genealogy. When Rootsweb cranked up a list for each of the counties, I'm sure
he was glad to get out of the chore of running one of the things but he is
still tremendously helpful to anyone who asks.

Come to think of it, he would be the very guy to run a search on Poythress
through his EFFINGHAM data base and see if Thomas Boston Poythress and/or
William E. fudged south on us any. He could do it in a minute and you and I
would be looking for years. Bob is: John.R.Peavy@SAS02.usace.army.mil

The listmeister is a neat gal named Deborah Byrd (dbyrd@lightcom.net) who is a
great help when and if one gets in trouble.

I think you would enjoy it and if not getting off is as easy as getting
on.....just send the same message and say "unsubscribe". My ulterior motive
is to get someone hooked on the Screven list besides me so someone will watch
the store while I'm gone for July and August ...naw, not really, Bud
subscribes I'm pretty sure.

Best,

Maynard		02/17/1999 2:17:31
InfoNice critique for anyone going to DC anytime soon:


02/17/1999 2:23:48
[VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Genealogy trip to virginia (long)Annette E WetzelJane, and others: Cannot help you with facilities or collections in the
counties of Virginia (and don't know which counties interest you), but, as
a 30-year resident of the Richmond area, and a tour guide, I'm just going
to "tell it like it is."

The new Library of Virginia is at 800 East Broad St., Richmond, VA 23219,
phone # 804-692-3500. You will get a voice mail message at that number.
Library hours are 9 AM to 5 PM Monday through Saturday. Free underground
parking - have your ticket stamped at the info desk on the first floor.
Incredible Edibles has a sandwich shop on the first floor - andwiches,
salads, desserts, beverages. There is no other decent place to eat in that
area of Richmond, other than the restaurant at the Marriott.

At the Library of Virginia, you will find, among other things, records of
the Virginia colony, colonial records, land grants and patents, official
Revolutionary War and War of 1812 records of enlistment, payment and land
grants for service and local claims, microfilmed Confederate service
records from the National Archives for Virginia troops only, a collection
of Bible and church records, and microfilmed county wills, deeds,
marriages, court order books and miscellaneous records from the
date of county organization through 1896. For selected counties, the
Library has some microfilmed records into the 20th Century.

Copying of books, papers and microfilm is done by use of a copy card. The
card costs $1.00, and you can add value to it in $1, $5, and $10
increments. When using the Archives, only paper and PENCILS are allowed.
You may not take anything into the Archives proper. - coat, briefcase,
purse, etc. must be left outside the room. Laptop computers must be
removed from their cases. Lockers are available for a quarter. That is the
only coin you will need.

The Courtyard Marriott is the only hotel within comfortable walking
distance - 500 E. Broad St., phone 804-643-3400. My opinion only, rooms in
all the downtown hotels are overpriced. The "tourist tax" imposed by
Richmond City is around 16%.

Starred hotels are not within comfortable walking distance of the Library,
but in downtown Richmond, there is the Berkeley Hotel (expensive) 12th and
Cary (804-780-1300), Crowne Plaza, 555 E. Canal St. 804-788-0900), The John
Marshall, 5th & Franklin (804-783-1929), *The Jefferson Hotel, 101 W.
Franklin (804-788-8000) - more expensive than any other - but the most
attractive in the City, *Linden Row, 1st & Franklin (804-783-7000). Linden
Row incorporates the home of the author
Ellen Glasgow.

Richmond has a city bus system - the bus routes probably will not take you
where you want to go. Obtaining a current bus schedule is a lifetime
occupation. In Richmond, it is not possible to hail a cab on the street -
they must be called for in advance.

Call or write to the Metropolitan Richmond Convention and Visitors Bureau,
550 E. Marshall St., Richmond, VA 23219, phone 804-782-2777. Ask for a city
map, and for information on taxi service, bus schedules, rental cars and
hotel prices.

You plan to fly to Richmond. All of the downtown hotels have courtesy
buses to and from the Richmond International Airport (was Byrd Airport -
same place - and some distance from downtown Richmond.) The airport is
non-smoking throughout. There is an adequate restaurant, and, in a separate
location, a friendly bar. At the airport, you can arrange for
car rental from Hertz, Budget, Avis, Thrifty and National and others. Taxi
service is pretty good from the airport to the city. There is also an
"arrange in advance" outfit called Groom Transportation, which is "upscale"
taxi service. More expensive than the others, but they will arrive on time.
They shuttle back and forth between hotels and the airport, so you may have
to share with other passengers.

You would do best to remain in your hotel complex after dark in Richmond.
The streets are definitely not safe, and the night life is non-existent,
unless you enjoy the trendy (yuppie) restaurant scene. None of the museums,
libraries or historic sites are open after 5 PM. During the day, the 6th
Street Marketplace is open as a shopping mall, with a food court, but is
not recommended after 6 PM.

>From the Library location, you can easily walk one block to the State
Capitol, and less than one block to the Valentine Museum and the Museum of
the Confederacy. If you are in bad health, it is only two blocks to the
Medical College of Virginia. If I wanted to tour the City, I would call one
of the local tour companies and arrange for a day-long or half-day tour.
They know where they are going, how to negotiate the streets, and can give
you a travelogue at the same time.

My opinion only - if I were flying in to visit Richmond for the first time,
for the purpose of doing research at the Library of Virginia, I would stay
in a less-expensive hotel near the Airport and take a taxi to and from the
Library each day.

There is no motel/hotel on the airport grounds. Some of the motels near
the Airport are Holiday Inn Airport (804-222-6450), Best Western Airport
Inn (804-222-2780), Airport Inn (804-222-4200), Comfort Inn Airport Square
(804-226-1800), Days Inn Airport (804-222-2041), Hampton Inn Airport Square
(804-222-8200), Motel 6 (804-222-7600), Super 8 Motel Airport
(804-222-8008). Before making reservations, I would check on which ones
have in-house restaurants, since there is only one independent restaurant
near the Airport. It is "Mexico." Down home Hispanic, good food, good
prices, but open for lunch and dinner only.

Hope the above is useful. Y'all come - and e-mail me if I can help you
further. Annette

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:37:36 EST GENJM@aol.com writes:
>Hi, a friend and I would like to take a research trip, to Virginia, to
start with Richmond, any help appreciated, on where to stay, if walking
distant, cost of rooms, shuttle buses, anything. We thought about starting,
with Richmond, and then maybe from there to counties. Would all
information, in counties also be in Richmond? We would be flying in, so we
would be a foot. Any advice would be appreciated, for a limit of days,
would want to not spend it lost.Thanks
Jane Odessa, Texas
___________________--------------------------------		02/17/1999 2:40:54
Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Re: Genealogy trip to virginia (long)Hi Annette,

You have done a wonderful service to those who aren't familiar with the
City of Richmond or do not have friends or relatives to stay with when
visiting there!! As someone who was born and lived in Richmond for 40
years I must say that I enjoyed reading the wealth of info you have. When
I moved away in 1980 I knew Richmond like the back of my hand, but since
then everytime I return for a visit the changes make me glad that I have
family to ferry me about so I don't get lost!!

Unfortunately downtown hasn't changed for the better from what I have seen,
but the new Library of Va. building is a great improvement over the old,
don't you think?

I hadn't thought of the idea of taking a taxi between the library & the
airport area every day. I took one from the airport to Mechanicsville last
year and it was $25.00. Can't remember how that distance compares with
going into the city.

Thanks again for your informative message.
Lois
______________________________------------------------------		02/17/1999 3:28:06
[VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] Trip to Richmond Questions (long again)Annette E WetzelUsing this format to combine all the questions you've sent re: my epistle
of two hours ago! Please let me know if I have missed one of your
questions.

1. why is Richmond so unsafe after dark?? Is it the city or just the area
around the library??
Richmond has almost no downtown residential area. The Library is surrounded
by a government complex - state office buildings, capitol, city hall,
federal building, supreme court, exhibition hall, coliseum, university
classroom buildings, parking decks. People leave downtown Richmond at 5 PM.
Downtown Richmond streets are poorly lit. Homeless sleep in alleys,
streetwalkers solicit, drug dealers deal, and the bored and restless cruise
the area. There are two police precinct stations within two blocks of the
Library.

2. I guess I am wondering what is there to do after the library closes???
I would review the days discovered treasures and make an attack plan for
the next day! The concert hall for the Richmond Symphony (excellent
orchestra and facility) is within walking distance of the Library and
surrounding hotels. However, week-night concerts are few. There is a
theatre on Broad Street, again, geared toward weekends. Some excellent
restaurants in the area called "Shockoe Bottom," but that's quite a hike
from the Library.

The city has not committed to visitor-friendly development. They want your
money, but existing facilities and their locations lend themselves only to
large-scale, in place events, like as trade shows, rock concerts,
mega-displays, the circus, NASCAR races, conventions, basketball
tournaments, etc. -events that "blow into town" make their money, and
leave.
BTW - if you plan to come to Richmond during Memorial Day weekend, PLEASE
make your reservation months in advance. A softball tournament every year
at that time is of such proportions that there is not a room to be had in
the entire Metropolitan area, except perhaps the Presidential suite at the
Jefferson!

3. What about a coat? What are the temperatures?
If you don't like today's weather, hang on, tomorrow will be different!
What time of the year will you visit? Watch the weather on CNN! The Library
is chilly, and Broad Street is very windy.

4. Can you get from Williamsburg to Richmond?
Only by rental car, Grayhound Bus, or Groom Transportation. Nice
drive,though, on Route 5, the Plantation tour route. Takes about an hour.
"The Pottery" and other outlet shops at Lightfoot, VA, are popular.
Accessible from I-64 East, or Route 60 East.

5. Isn't the new Library much better than the old one?
It is a granite mausoleum. But it's where the records are. There is massive
wasted space, and the layout is illogical. But the parking is better. There
are more microfilm readers. But they are the old style. Photocopy machines
often eat your copy card. But if that happens to you, unplug the machine.
Plug it back in immediately. Your card will then be ejected. Don't wait
for an employee. You will be an ancestor before one arrives. But there are
more of them. You must have a library card (different from a copy card) in
order to obtain material from the stacks. Request one when you arrive.
Material from the stacks is requested on-line via a computer. But they are
fairly user-friendly. Material from the stacks must actually be checked out
before you can review it - even if you plan to hand the book right back to
the circulation desk. The circulation desk advises you that your request
has arrived from the stacks by means of a digital screen display in the
reading rooms. But the screen is visible from only one location.

6. We ate at the Federal building.
I did not include the Federal Building (immediately behind the Library) nor
recommend 6th St. Marketplace, because they are crowded with employees at
lunch time. I thought it would take too much time to be served.

7. I can't work without my notebook guides.
>> When using the Archives, only paper and PENCILS are allowed. You may not
take anything into the Archives proper. - coat, briefcase, purse, etc. must
be left outside the room. Laptop computers must be removed from their
cases. Lockers are available for a quarter. For research purposes, the
Library of Virginia has three separate rooms. All are on the second floor.
You may take anything you want (except food and drink) into these two
rooms. There are plenty of work surfaces, with outlets for laptops and/or
recorders.

1) The Genealogical Reading Room (to the right) contains the volumes of
printed genealogical material from counties - abstracts of wills, deeds,
marriages, cemetery records, bound volumes from other states, the
Confederate Roster, the Valentine Papers, Boddie's books, ship's passenger
records, city directories, etc. The microfiche collection is housed here.

2) The Archives Reading Room (to the left) contains the microfilm
collection of county records, military records, land grants and patents,
microfilm readers, printed census volumes, Swem's Index, Henings Statutes
At Large, Pioneers and Cavaliers, etc.

3) The Archives (behind the Archives Reading Room) is where you go to ask
for original records which have not been microfilmed. If original records
are available in any other form, that is, negative photostat, photocopy,
typescript, etc., the originals will not be served to you. This is the room
into which you may bring only pencils and paper, or your laptop sans
case.

8. Isn't it expensive to take a cab from the Airport to the city? I don't
know taxi prices, and they may be expensive. But even if a taxi trip is,
say, $25.00 per day, you would likely pay $20 to $30 per day for car
rental, plus you'd have to do all the rental paperwork, find a place to
park, buy gasoline, negotiate the streets, etc. Rush hour traffic in
Richmond is a nightmare. Curbside parking is for two-hours only. Richmond
has aggressive meter-maids (private company) and they will mark your tire
and tow your car. The retrieval (towing) fee is $90-$140 dollars, depending
on which company towed the vehicle. Parking ticket runs about $16.00.
______________________________------------------------------		02/17/1999 6:12:45
Fw: Poythress entries found in Brunswick Co. LibraryTeresa Willis-----Original Message-----
From: Teresa Willis
To: to all Poythress (post)
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 3:55 PM
Subject: Poythress entries found in Brunswick Co. Library

This is the Brunswick Co library in Lawrenceville VA:

Brunswick Co. will book vol 1 pg 88

(1) 1754 Charles Poythress named in Alexander Walker's will (will book 3 pg
515)

thought this might be one of us:

(2) John Potess 1760 (will book 3 pg 648)

(3) Ann Poythress 1739 witness on Robert Hicks will (will book 2 pg 3)

(4) Frans Poythress excr of Jjohn Fitzgerrald 1740 Joseph Turner's will
(will book 2 20-(24))

(5) Meredith Poythres witness on James Upchurch will (will book 2 265-(348))

(6) Thomas Poythress 1783 mentioned as selling 514 acres to William Warwick

(7) 1780-1784 Barnett Randle pd. or received from Thos Poythress (will book
2 206-(263))

Deed Book vol 1

I did understand this one at first, but now that we know he was sheriff it
makes since

(8) Jan 1743 order William Poythress to examine Rachel wife of Thomas
Williams

(9) John Poythress land adjoin Lanier Brewer

(10) Mattias Davis of Brunswick Co. to Joshua Poythress of Prince George
Co. 27 Sep 1750 35L 1 negro woman slave Judy and her child; also negro boy
Dick Wit: J. Wall Jr, John Taylor Duke. Proved 26 Dec 1750 St Clack CC

(11) Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick Co. Edmund Ruffins excr.
Receipt was signed by Wm Poythress sher. Proved 29 May 1754 Litt Tazewell CC

(12) witness on deed of John Edmundson Joshua Pothress Jr.

Wills and Administrations of Surry Co. Virginia1671-1750 by Eliza
Timberlake Davis

(1) Dinkings, Thomas: Est-Elizabeth Dickens, Admr. Signed: David Poythras
(Bk 8 p. 784)

(2) Rives, John: Est.-By Sarah Rives. 19 June,1750. Edward Pettway, Peter
Poythress

Also when I got those files open they were the 1790 Census for Halifax and
Granville Co's NC, only one entree for a William Poredice.

If any one wants me to check any of these entries at the courthouse just
tell me.

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		02/17/1999 6:21:32
RE: Sheriff PoythressLou PooleMaynard wrote:

My guess is Lou Poole has the full citation on that "Wm Poythress,
sher."
since John Wall is the other party. But failing a contradiction by
Lou, I'd
say it does mean Sheriff. But thats a new one on me. I guess this
William
may be a new player.

To Teresa's find:

Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick co.... Receipt was signed by Wm
Poythress sher.
Proved 29May 1754. Litt Taxewell CC

Boy, this is a new one on me! I had not encountered that particular
record before. For what it's worth:

1) I think there were THREE John Walls in Brunswick at the time
(1754). Col. John Wall was still alive, his son John Wall, Jr. (who I
theorize married Ann Poythress) was still there, and a third John
Wall, who I cannot identify, was there by 1758 when he left a will
(more on this if anyone wants it). I cannot discren from the above
record which John Wall was involved.
2) I don't know for sure what "sher." means, but I'd sure guess that
it was sheriff.
3) In the back of Janet Gay Neale's "Brunswick County, Virginia,
1720-1975" a book that is pretty readily available is a list of
Brunswick officials and the years they served. It should be pretty
easy to check out if "sher." meant "sheriff" by checking this listing.
Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of this book in my possession, and
I will have to wait for my next visit to the library to check it --
unless someone can find it sooner.

Lou		02/17/1999 6:34:25
[GASCREVE-L] If you are going to Washington, D.C. to research yourDiana DavisTop 3 places for research:

1. NARA -- The Mother of all Records depositories. All your census
needs at one stop. Military records for all wars. Confederates, too
(I
got more here than at the AL Archives). Knowledgeable staff (mostly.)
Many volunteer genealogists/historians. GO EARLY. STAY LATE. Avoid
going 10 a.m. - 2 p.m. when there likely will be a waiting list. But
even at peak times, I waited less time than at my local FHC. Once I
got
rolling, I was able to pull, view, and copy about 15 census records in
one afternoon. TRY TO HAVE DONE YOUR INDEX WORK BEFORE YOU GO. They
are missing several volumes of the State Indexes. They have new
microfilm copiers that have given me the best copies yet. And if you
can't make out a damaged film, you can view original records, but the
latter TAKES TIME. Quick food across the street.

http://www.nara.gov/

No researcher i.d. required for most records, unless you want to
examine
original documents. If you do, allow time to complete paperwork.

2. DAR library -- A beautiful library, friendly staff. User-friendly
stacks. Books on family histories (largest collection in the US if
not
the world except perhaps in UT) are arranged alphabetically by last
name. State books arranged by region. Check their online catalog
before
you go. Staff makes the copies while you wait. If you know what you
want before you go, you can really maximize time. Open Sunday
afternoons. But limited daytime hours. Limited paperwork required for
research. Most DAR info now on online searchable databases, so the
best
value of this facility truly are the books. Food vendors close by
(but
don't expect much beyond sodas and hot dogs.)

http://www.dar.org/library/library.html

3. Library of Congress -- The Mother of all Book Depositories.
Divided
into Reading Rooms; one for Genealogy/Local History, one for Maps, one
for periodicals, etc. Go early to get a photo i.d. which will enable
you to request books. Reference books are available without i.d., but
they are but a fraction of the holdings. Computer search their
catalogs
before you go, and take a listing of call numbers, authors, titles,
dates. You can only request a limited number of books per hour.
while
waiting for the books (10 min. - 1 hour wait), peruse and copy from
the
reference books. Their holdings boggle the mind. Several hundred
books
on Huguenots, for example (the last thing I researched there.)
Cafeteria for visitors, but hours limited. Pricey food nearby.

http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/gen_hours.html

ALL 3--

Because of limited time, taxi fares are well worth it. The Metro
runs
close to each of these, but you have to change trains between
facilities, and walk a bit.

No food or drink allowed in the libraries.

Clean restrooms.

Security checks. DAR most lenient. Lib. of Congress most strict.

Bring cash for copy cards (vending machines). Avoid bringing the new
$20 bills.

Wear comfortable clothing. I found NARA to be uncomfortably hot in
January.

Enjoy!

Elizabeth DuBois Russo
(whose daughter conveniently moved to DC a few months ago...we "visit"
as I dash from one place to another -- grabbing a quick bite -- and
late
at night.... if you time it right, you can be researching from 8:30
a.m.
to 9:30 p.m. most weekdays.)		02/17/1999 6:42:32
Re: 1640 Thomas PoythressSharp eye there Teresa! I have seen that entry several times and have it in
my data base ( a zillion 3-ring binders). I just logged it in and shrugged my
sholders. I am beginning to despair of the prospect of ever sorting all those
Thomases out. Sure would be wonderful if they were all the same guy.
However, this one differentiates himself by spelling with only one
"s".......or it's possible, maybe even likely, that a court clerk spelled it
that way.

Glad to know you are gimlet-eying the batallion of Thomases. Thanks,

Maynard		02/17/1999 6:45:12
Family History EnthusiastsCliff TownsendMaynard.......... there are some GA things on The Family History Show
web site at:
http://familyhistory.flash.net/events.html
A Forum for Family History Enthusiasts on the Texas State Network !
The First and Still the Only Network Radio Talk-Show on Family History
in America. Now Heard Coast-to-Coast on the Internet.

I don't know if you have ever heard of it but the program is on each
Sunday night.
sheryl
ps tell me if you get this

02/17/1999 9:04:28
Re: Sheriff PoythressIn a message dated 2/17/99 4:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, toot@jnent.com
writes:

> Does anyone want me to post all of the entries I found in the deed and will
> books at the Brunswick library?

Absolutely, Teresa, if you have the time. And show whether it's a deed book
or a will book and its book number and the page number of the will or deed if
you copied that.

My guess is Lou Poole has the full citation on that "Wm Poythress, sher."
since John Wall is the other party. But failing a contradiction by Lou, I'd
say it does mean Sheriff. But thats a new one on me. I guess this William
may be a new player.

And I'd love to have every one of those instances where a Thomas Poythress is
recorded EVEN where he is only a witness but an abstract of the document would
certainly be all that's necessary if he is only a witness. More often than
not, a witness, while not necessarily a participant in the transaction, has
some relationship to the parties in the transaction. Also, that sort of stuff
can be extremely meaningful as we go about trying to place these folks at
different times and places......for example, death dates if nothing else.
Easily more than half of those Virginia death dates are unrecorded and even
stuff as insignificant as appearing as a witness lets us start narrowing down
the "eligible" bracket dates for the individual to be alive.

Seemingly in slight contradiction to the deal about the witnesses being
"linked" to the transaction, I will advance my own theory about all those guys
who seem to be witnessing documents left and right. I think the 17th and 18th
century courthouses were the equivalent of the 20th century's pool halls pre
WW II. That's just where "the guys hung out".

And your cited May entry to the contrary, a lot of that stuff got done in the
wintertime. Remember these guys were farmers (or they called themselves
"planters" if somebody else....i. e. slaves....did the digging for them).
Just not much going on in the farming biz in the wintertime......"Ma, I think
I'll go down to the courthouse and see if I can swap something for that 20
acres over by that big oak tree of'n Ebeneezer Jones".

That ties right in with the fact that these guys were always short of money.
I'm not saying "broke" (although there was plenty of that too) but they didn't
have anything to
"trade" with EXCEPT land. The colonies and later the early states were always
starved for coinage....they even used Spanish "Reals" (silver dollars).....and
they even had to cut a lot of them into 8 pieces.....hence "pieces of eight"
and hence "2 bits" or "4 bits". And they even used warehouse receipts for "x"
amount of Petersburg tobacco as a medium of exchange. The point being that
the courthouse was "where the action was" for the business entities of that
time. And mama was at home having babies once a year and otherwise usually
killing herself by a too young age.

Maynard

P. S. I'll send you my "time line" on Thomas Poythress attached to a separate
e-mail (Rootsweb can't take attachments). Unwinding this or maybe even
"these" Thomas Poythresses will get us going for a lot of folks.		02/17/1999 9:41:55
Re: Batte Research NotesMaynard,

Well, let's see - - 30 cu ft is about 5 x 3 x 2 feet, about the size of your
average desk. Shouldn't take too long to plow through. It happens that I
have to be in Virginia Beach at the end of February, I wonder if maybe I could
be allowed to do some plowing? Do you know how one gets permission to access
their files? Do you know anyone in the group that might want to help?

I did get the thread about Ms. Holden, and I wrote her a letter with a check
enclosed. Haven't heard back yet, but it's only been a week. I wonder if the
Eppes (Epes?) chart is in the book.....

Steve		02/17/1999 10:52:25
Re: [Fwd: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass]Charles NealMaynard & all,

I sent a request, by email, to NGS. Here's hoping :-))

BPN

02/17/1999 11:06:21
1640 Thomas PoythressCharles NealTeresa,

Thanks for posting the list of POLLs (in this case, people who had to pay a
tax, I think).

And yes, the "Poythrop" is just a transcription error since the old form of
writing "ss" looks like a lowercase cursive "p."

Re your message titled "Prince George" asking how to open the files, you
must not have whatever other computer program is needed for reading that
particular type of file. Some of the files that I have been sent have
required some program that can "read" or "view" different graphic-types of
files, so the program we have that looks at image files helps with those
types. I, however, have no idea which program is needed to read files that
end in " .dat" like yours do. Sounds sort of like they might be some sort
of database files. You might try emailing the person(s) who sent the file
to you, and ask them what program you need in order to open the file.

Good luck,
BPN

02/17/1999 11:06:22
Sheriff PoythressCharles NealTeresa,

Re >Does anyone want me to post all of the entries I found in the deed and
will books at the Brunswick library?<

YES, that would be super! (And where is the Brunswick Library that you
visited, by the way?)

Thanks,
BPN

02/17/1999 11:06:25
RE: SheriffCharles NealLou & Teresa & all,

Re: "In the back of Janet Gay Neale's "Brunswick County, Virginia,
1720-1975" a book that is pretty readily available is a list of Brunswick
officials and the years they served."

No Poythress in the list of "Brunswick County Sheriffs and Undersheriffs"
however, interestingly, there was a John Wall, Jr. who was an Undersheriff
in 1748, while Michael Wall was Sheriff that year. In 1749 the Sheriff was
Michael Wall, Jr. and no listing for John. By 1750 & later there were no
Walls listed.

BPN		02/17/1999 11:06:27
InfoSubj: Re: Batte Research Notes
Date: 2/17/99
To: Steve W602
CC: willowbend@mediasoft.net

In a message dated 2/17/99 5:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve W602
writes:

> Subj: Re: Batte Research Notes
> Date: 2/17/99 5:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: Steve W602
> To: VKRatliff, POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> Maynard,
>
> Well, let's see - - 30 cu ft is about 5 x 3 x 2 feet, about the size of
your
> average desk. Shouldn't take too long to plow through. It happens that I
> have to be in Virginia Beach at the end of February, I wonder if maybe I
> could be allowed to do some plowing? Do you know how one gets permission to
> access their files? Do you know anyone in the group that might want to
help?
>
> I did get the thread about Ms. Holden, and I wrote her a letter with a
check
> enclosed. Haven't heard back yet, but it's only been a week. I wonder if
> the Eppes (Epes?) chart is in the book.....
>
> Steve

Nope, no chart but a decent book and well documented.

THE guy to get you into that Batte stuff is list-member Craig Scott. Craig
owns
Willowbend Books and a publishing company as well and is decended from a
Poythress. He is on the listserver group. Craig is on a couple of
directorships down at the LVA and if you need someone to "spring" the door for
you, Craig is your guy.....especially if you are gonna do Poythress research
and hang it up on the wire for us to all see. On the other hand, the
material may just be routinely available to the public.....but I wouldn't
drive up to Richmond cold on that chance.

Craig's e-mail address is on the copy and his biz phone is
703-443-8852....that's in Leesburg.

Go get 'em, tiger.

Maynard		02/17/1999 11:13:58
Re: [Fwd: Georgia Research/Mrs. Frank Grass]Sheryl, Barbara......good work. I am confident that if this lady's material
exists, we're going to dig it out.

Maynard

02/18/1999 2:12:10
Re: World Family TreeI plead "guilty"......so whack off the the couple of generations back of
yourself. Good thinking, BPN.

Maynard

02/18/1999 2:14:11
Researching in Richmond, VACharles NealFor the benefit of anyone planning to visit the Library of VA from afar for
researching (whether the Batte collection or anything else at that
wonderful facility), here is a copy of a recent exchange from the
VA-Southside List:

Message text written by INTERNET:VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com [V99 #91]
>______________________________------------------------------		02/18/1999 2:53:41
Re: Sheriff Wm. PoythressKen......eagle eye there my friend. Teresa.....just one more of a million
frustrating cases where the "people" stood still and the ground underneath
them changed it's name (County)!!!!! I can't tell you how many times that has
faked me out.

Maynard

02/18/1999 4:32:07
Information Sources Question from DebraCharles NealDebra, re your questions of Feb 6th,

"1- Where exactly are you getting your information from?"
- From consulting as many of my known relatives as I can & copying
anything they have that can be helpful
- From checking everything I can get to, that is in print about the areas
where I know my people to have been (this is obviously an ongoing quest)
- From checking online places about the areas where I know my people to
have been (ditto this being an ongoing quest)
- From checking everything I can get to, that has been microfilmed about
those areas -- This is where the Mormon Family History Centers are of
invaluable assistance.

"2- What is your favorite source to check first?"
Whichever is handiest at the time

"3- How many of you do any research 'online', if so, what are some of you
favorite websites to research on?"

Haven't yet gotten into a regular routine of checking any on any certain
schedule, but do periodically check the sites for each county where I know
my people to have been. If you are not aware of Cyndi's List of more 70
different catagories on over 220 separate pages, listing more than 40,000
good sites for genealogy, its address is:
http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm

"4- Has any of you tried the Mormon family history centers?"
See #1 above

"5- Has anyone used the CD-Rom lists, I've been hearing about? If so,
where do you get these from? Is there a catalog of what's available? Does
anyone know where would be a good place to review it to see what's on it
and if I want to buy it?"

I think I saw you mention recently that you have Family Tree Maker. If so,
be assured that at least once a month, they'll send you their brochure
listing the latest CDs they have available & they are one of the largest
producers of them. A good place to look at CDs which are available may
well be at your local Family History Center or at your local library.

BPN		02/18/1999 4:55:44
World Family TreeCharles NealMany of us have received (or will in the future be receiving) solicitations
from companies wanting copies of our family trees. One of those companies
is mentioned below, in info extracted from an email from a dear friend.

While it can indeed further our research efforts to carefully share our
information with like-minded family researchers, I just want to urge folks
to think carefully about the downside that could occur.

There are unscrupulous folks in the world who delight in getting the exact
date & place of birth plus the mother's maiden name on living persons,
because it can enable them to open up accounts in those living persons'
names, then run up high credit balances, and disappear to take on the
identity of a different living person. They frequently will use a
fraudulent Social Security number along with good legitimate info.

Of course nothing prevents unscrupulous people from buying a CD that might
have all this helpful info on a bunch of living persons. While you might
consider that possibility "remote," some of the other living persons in
your database might not appreciate even a remote possibility of such a
problem happening to them, so I just urge you to be cautious.

If you do submit your family tree info anywhere for commercial
distribution, it would be prudent to remove specific identifying info about
living persons. Broderbund's instructions even include some mention of the
possibility of removing such data about living persons.

BPN
> > >
"Broderbund is soliciting genealogies to be sent to them in Family Tree
Maker (FTM) format. You will probably get a floppy with return envelope
and/or instructions of how to send your "tree" to Broderbund.
Alternatively, you can just open your FTM program and copy it for
them.....there will be instructions for this.. . . I'd like to see us
represented in this......not for any ego trips but it strikes me as a
fairly good "net" to be casting with in the ocean of genealogy buffs.
Handle as you see fit."

02/18/1999 4:55:47
[VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] [VA-SOUTHSIDE-:] Re: RichmondJane GoodsellMay I put in my two cents worth on trip to Richmond? No one has
suggested a visit to the VA Historical Society. This, to me, is the second
next important stop to the library. They have materials there that the
library does not have. They have documents, family histories, etc., that
are donated to them. You don't look at these records on a film, etc. you
go thu them by hand. I thought I had the url in my address book but
apparently it has been deleted in accident, so if anyone out there has the
address, please post it and it can be searched by family name, etc. There
is an admission price (I believe $4.00) and is not on the main bus line.
Its approx. 25 min's away from the State Library.

It is also important to note here that not all the materials are in the
new Library. Do not be surprised when they tell you a certain book, etc.
is still housed in the old library about 3 blocks away. This happened to
me last Octobr and I had to hoof it down the street and go in the back door
after kicking and banging on the door until someone heard me. This is
arranged by appointment only.

The sandwich shop is highly over priced as you would imagine. The day
I was there the cheapest thing on the menu was approx $3.00 and we hadn't
even gotten to the sandwich's yet. If you wanted a quick bite to eat, I
would suggest one of the hot dog ventor carts that occupy the 3 corners
directly behind the library. The one where I always go has benches where
you can sit and eat your lunch. Cost is quite reasonable, less than 2
bucks, with canned soda unless you want a bag of chips.

When you first get into the library, be rest assured that for the first
couple of hours you probably will be totally confused. It is laid out in a
weird fashion and you will do alot of back tracking from one side of the
library to the other. Get a first hand tour if at all possible when you
get there and get there early as possible. Depending on how busy they are
and also depending on how many bus groups are there that day, you may not
be able to get on a reader machine for several
hours. If they are extremely busy, there is a two hour limit. They can
get really hostile with you to vacate your seat if the two hour limit is
up. If you find something you want to copy on the reader, then you have to
rewind it and go to a reader that makes copies and there are only 4. There
you may have to wait in line again. If you happen to hit a slack day, then
there is no problem. You can stay on the readers with no time limit.
Jane G.
______________________________------------------------------		02/18/1999 6:37:51
Re: Edward Giles - Lewis PoythressYes, Maynard, Edward Giles is father-in-law of Lewis Poythress. We have
that from his will, the will of his grandson Jack/John in that same year,
and the marriage of Lewis to Elizabeth/Patsy Giles. This is covered in
the "Lewis Poythress, Progenitor" write-up, on which BPN is helping me.
In due time, sometime in this or the next millenium, I intend to submit
it for posting. -lpb

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:10:55 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>New will on the webpage: Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County, 1818.
>Behests to
>grandsons Edward and John Poythress. Thanks for the post, Al.
>
>Lyn.....I'm having a senior moment....didn't you pin down the
>relationship
>between the one of Edward's daughters who married the Poythress guy,
>thereby
>creating the two grandsons? If so you want to send that to Al as an
>addendum
>and he'll tack
>comments on to the bottom of the page as I only submitted the will by
>itself.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Maynard
>

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Re: Edward Poythress etc.Great hunting, Sarah. Here go the placements in the tree:
-I agree this is Sarah daughter of Edward and Mahala. The 1850 census
shows children Sarah, Harriett and George.
-This William Lewis Poythress is the son of my Thomas M. Poythress.
Brandon Poythress on our list is his descendant. Of course the Ada
Poythress shown is a daughter of WLP and granddaughter of TMP.
-This Richard Poythress is also the son of my Thomas M. Poythress. This
is shown by the marriage record and also by deeds around the settlement
of the TMP estate. We think he might be the child identified as Peter in
the 1870 census. Some of his descendants still live in the area.

I remain interested in the parentage of your John Lewis Poythress. Have
you looked for evidence of settlement of an Edward Poythress estate in
Granville Co.? If not, I would suggest you pursue this. Also, I would
suggest checking for Edward on Granville personal property tax lists 1830
to 1850. I have a guess that Edward moved to Granville after his
marriage to Mahala Nance, then moved back to Mecklenburg between 1840 and
1850, then moved back to Granville before 1860 where he died sometime
thereafter - just a guess. In Virginia during some periods the personal
property tax lists name older sons in the household. Perhaps the same is
true in N.C.

Best regards,
Lyn

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:38:35 -0500 "Sarah Poythress"
writes:
>I went to Boydton, Mecklenburg,Va yesterday. This is what I found and
>copied. It was in one of the large marriage books they have at the
>courthouse.
>
> 24 Jan 1856 G.D. Redmon, 28, widower, Charlotte Co. s/o Collier and
>Ann
>Redmon
> Sarah A. V.(Looked like) Poythress, 21, Single,
>Mecklenburg Co. d/o
> Edward and M. Poythress, Minister; J.C.
>Granberry.
>
>Lyn, I think this is Edward and Malahay's daughter. What do you think?
>If
>so, and the George I found in Granville County is their son, we have
>two of
>their children.
>
>20 Dec 1863 William S. (maybe L.) Poythress, 21, single, Mecklenburg
>Co. s/o
> Thomas and Lucy Poythress to Anna J. Jones, 25,
>single,
>Mecklenburg
> Co. d/o James B. and Martha Jones. H. Arnold
>
>07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress,
>24,
>single,
> Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa
>A.
>Benton, 21
> single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton.
>J.M.
>Benton
>
>19 Dec 1894 John N. Kinker(Best I could make out), 23,single,
>Mecklenburg
>Co. s/o
> Henry and Lucy T/L B(couldn't read writing) to Ada
>F.
>Poythress, 23,
> single, Mecklenburg Co. d/o W.L. and A.J.
>Poythress.
>J.M. Coleman
>
>Hope someone can get me stright on these names and where they fit. I
>didn't
>have a Richard for Thomas and Lucy. Not sure about Ada.
>
>Sarah
>

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Subject: Re: Wall-Poythress
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Ann's husband's name is not on the card - at least not that I can read.

Steve

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Re: Sheriff Wm. PoythressYep... case in point. We just changed city names, and there is a move afoot to
change more than our area codes! There is a groundswell here to separate northern
part of Los Angeles County from southern part. Only thing may stop it is water
rights. It may be devilshly expensive to get water if we do get a "divorce from
the devil county"...Patti

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Ken......eagle eye there my friend. Teresa.....just one more of a million
> frustrating cases where the "people" stood still and the ground underneath
> them changed it's name (County)!!!!! I can't tell you how many times that has
> faked me out.
>
> Maynard
>
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Sheriff Wm. PoythressKenneth LarsenCheck the book "English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records". Louis des
Cognets, Jr., Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
In the year 1729 Wm. Poythress is the Sheriff of Prince George County.
Since Brunswick County split off in 1792, William probably stayed on as
Sheriff of his area.
Sorry, I only have the years 1726 and 1729 copied for research on our
John Fitzgerald.
The records do disclose the following Poythresses (and variants) in
Prince George County.
1726- Coroner "Jno" Poythress.
Justice of the Peace "Jno" Poythress, "Wm." Poythres
Burgess-"Jno" Poythress
1729- Sheriff-Wm. Poythers (sic).
J.P. John Poythres, William Poythres

Ken Larsen		02/18/1999 9:00:18
Re: Wm Poythress Bruns 1754Teresa, what a great find...a William Poythress in Brunswick County in
1754. I will add my comments to the excellent ones already shared by
Lou, Maynard and BPN:

1) Please share with us know the number of the deed book and the page
reference. Also, please give us the full transcription.

2) Was this by chance in book 5? Carol Morrison has posted part but not
yet all of DB5 on the Brunswick web site. If you should get to do more
research in eighteenth century deed books, let me suggest you concentrate
on those for which Carol has not yet posted complete transcriptions, as
follows: DB5, DB7-13. The postings of 6, 14 and 15 are shown on the web
site as being complete.

3) I have searched list messages dating back to 1997 looking for some
prior reference to this citation and find none. It would appear to me
that you are the first to contribute this one.

4) We were aware of a William Poythress, Gentleman, in DB15 who receives
the consent of Mary Harrison to the sale of Brunswick land to a Baugh.
Since Mary is of Prince George, it appears to me that this William
Poythress is also of Prince George.

5) We were aware of a William Poythress in Georgia who is asserted to be
a brother of Meredith Poythress, but without any evidence offered. But
that aside, this man, an adult in 1754, is obviously not a brother of the
mentioned Meredith Poythress.

Again, great work. I've thought for some time that if one of us could
spend some time "on the ground" in Lawrenceville and Boydton, we could
quickly make progress.

Best regards,
Lyn

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:05:09 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:
>Sorry about all the short little entries, but I have been busy,busy,
>busy
>today.
>
>I found this entry in a deed book yesterday:
>
>Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick co.... Receipt was signed by
>Wm
>Poythress sher.
>Proved 29May 1754. Litt Taxewell CC
>
>Questions:
>
>I assume sher. means Sheriff, is that correct? If Wm is William this
>may be
>connection for the Willie name.
>If he was sheriff shouldn't the county have records of county
>officials?
>Have any of you ever looked these up in Brunswick? Also these people
>that
>keep showing up as witnesses on deeds and wills (they seem to be the
>same
>ones over and over) did they work for the county? Or were they just
>friends
>or family? There is Thomas Poythress that shows up as witness
>repeatedly
>and there is a Robert Abernathy (another one of my ancestors) , I do
>know
>that he was a county official of some kind.
>If they, by chance, were working for the county in some capacity,
>where
>would I look for these records? Have any of you ever found any
>evidence of
>this?
>
>Does anyone want me to post all of the entries I found in the deed
>and will
>books at the Brunswick library?
>
>Teresa,
>Toot@jnent.com
>

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Re: FilesTeresa, regarding opening files, try this: Change the file extension
from .dat to .txt and select Notepad or Winpad or Wordpad as the
application to read the file. If what appears on the screen is text,
that is, if it is readable, you win. If not, then that file was probably
created by an application that you do not have available on your
computer. In this case, you would have to go back to the source of the
file and learn more about how it was made and get advice on how to read
it.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Help!!!Teresa WillisMaynard

I think you are the one that sent the message out about the Happy 99 worm.
If so do you still have the fix for that. I read it and warned all my kids
not to open any files without me looking at them first. However today I
received a message from a friend of ours and shortly after received a file.
When I pulled it up it was the Happy 99, I at once deleted it. I called my
friend and they had received it from their daughter at school. They have an
anti-virus, but I could not remember the ones that did not stop it. Pleas
send the fix again so I can pass it to them.

Anyone that has it please send it.

Thanks,

Teresa		02/19/1999 3:54:12
RE: SheriffLou PooleJust for the record, and so that everyone might know who these people
were: the John Wall, Jr., who was undersheriff of Brunswick in 1748 is
the very one who I theorize married Ann Poythress, daughter of Joshua
(this Ann was, I believe the one who witnessed Robert Hicks' will),
and who only a couple of years later is theorized to have moved his
family to Anson Co., NC. Samuel Wall, the sheriff, was John Jr.'s
uncle, and the brother of Col. John Wall.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neal [mailto:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 12:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Sheriff

Lou & Teresa & all,

Re: "In the back of Janet Gay Neale's "Brunswick County, Virginia,
1720-1975" a book that is pretty readily available is a list of
Brunswick
officials and the years they served."

No Poythress in the list of "Brunswick County Sheriffs and
Undersheriffs"
however, interestingly, there was a John Wall, Jr. who was an
Undersheriff
in 1748, while Michael Wall was Sheriff that year. In 1749 the
Sheriff was
Michael Wall, Jr. and no listing for John. By 1750 & later there were
no
Walls listed.

BPN

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Re: RE: Sheriff PoythressTeresa, Lou,

For what it's worth, Anne Wall Thomas, in Walls of Walltown, quotes an ad from
July 9, 1799 issue of the North Carolina Minerva and Fayetteville Advertiser,
where John Wall, Sheriff, advertises 150 acres of land for sale. Apparently
she believes that the sheriff was the husband of Ann (again, no proof of
anything).

Steve		02/19/1999 4:40:23
Re: InfoCraig,

Thanks for the corrections. Do you know if anyone on our list has gone
through the 30 cu ft or so of Batte's material at the VA library? I am
thinking that the T"rail chart of the Eppes family" that Batte mentions in his
notes on the Poythress chart might be in that archive somewhere. If no one
else has gone through that archive I might give it a try sometime when I go to
Virginia (I live in California but go to DC pretty often).

Do you know if that archive is open to the public? BPN seems to think so...

Steve Wall		02/19/1999 4:55:55
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Teresa,
Your ISP rejected my message, so am using the Poythress List.
Ken Larsen

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Teresa,
In your message to the Poythress List you mentioned that Francis
Poythress was the Executor of the Will of a John Fitzgerald. The
timing is proper for the John I have been trying to get information on.
Are those documents readily available for copying. It may be that
John, originally of Charles City County (and what Counties weren't
covered by that) seems to have had all his documents in what was left of
Charles City County destroyed in The War. Perhaps Brunswick was out
of harms way and this Will could be a good piece of information.
His wife would be Elizabeth Poythress, and his daughter is Elizabeth (
married Archibald Robertson), and his sons are William Fitzgerald and
Francis Fitzgerald.
Any help along these lines would be greatly appreciated.
Ken Larsen

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Re: InfoCraig R. ScottSome comments on the following:

>THE guy to get you into that Batte stuff is list-member Craig Scott.

Really. I doubt that I could get you into it any better than anyone else.

Craig
>owns
>Willowbend Books and a publishing company as well and is decended from a
>Poythress.

All true, except that the name of the company has changed to Willow Bend
Books and Family Line Publications.

He is on the listserver group. Craig is on a couple of
>directorships down at the LVA

I am a citizen member of a committee of the Library Board of Trustees,
hardly a springboard into anything, but it allows me to know what is going
on. I am also on the board of directors of the Loudoun Library Foundation
and the Friends of the Thomas Balch Library, and in that may lie the
confusion.

On the other hand, the
>material may just be routinely available to the public.....but I wouldn't
>drive up to Richmond cold on that chance.

I would always drive to Richmond no a cold chance.

>
>Craig's e-mail address is on the copy and his biz phone is
>703-443-8852....that's in Leesburg.

I no longer live in Leesburg, but in Westminster, Maryland (where the
Family Line storefront is located). I can be reached at 410 876-6101, but
prefer email (since I get over 500 a day please be patient).

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications
02/19/1999 11:16:28
Poythress LaneTeresa WillisToday I had to go to Keysville VA, which is about an hour and15 minutes from
where I live. The place I went to is right on 360 and when I pulled across
to turn back on 360 west, what do I see, a street sign with the name
Poythress LN. Okay Keysville is in Charlotte Co, but it is located no more
than 5 miles from Lunenburg and Prince Edward Co. I did not have time to
stop today, but I will be going back on Monday the 1st. I go by two
Mecklenburg libraries, within 5 miles of the Charlotte Court House,
Lunlenbrug Co is only a few miles out of the way, and I pass about 12-15 old
cemeteries between Brunswick and Keysville. I think I will make a day of
it and get to as many of these places as possible. My question is about
Charlotte Co, do we have any references to Poythress' there or are we
dealing with co. line changes again? If anyone knows please advise so I can
spend my time wisely. Do any of you know where the Lunenburg court house
is? I would guess either Kenbridge or Victoria.

Lyn,I don't know how much you know about the Brunswick Co. area, but when
you mention the grave yard in Brodnax, is that any where near where the old
Poythress house and store stand between Gasburg and Brodnax city limits? Do
you know where I am talking about? I stopped there today just to look
around, but 2 of the children were with me so I couldn't do much. The
buildings are in pretty bad shape but I can look in the windows and snoop
around a little bit.

Teresa
Toot@jnent.com		02/19/1999 11:50:44
Poythress LaneCharles NealTeresa,

I think that Jean may have mentioned a Poythress Lane, or Poythress
something, many months ago, but I think the one she was talking about was
in PG Co, if my memory is correct.

Then, separately, re: ". . . is that any where near where the old
Poythress house and store stand between Gasburg and Brodnax city limits?
Doyou know where I am talking about? I stopped there today just to look
around, but 2 of the children were with me so I couldn't do much. The
buildings are in pretty bad shape but I can look in the windows and snoop
around a little bit.<

I'm not familiar with this house & store stand. Are you saying there is an
old house & store stand marked with "Poythress" in some way? Could we get
more specific location of it, please? Thanks so much.

Thanks,
BPN		02/20/1999 1:57:48
RE: RE: Sheriff PoythressLou PooleSteve, I'm having a bit of trouble with the 1799 date, below. There's
a better than fair chance that the John Wall, Jr., former
under-sheriff of Brunswick Co., VA, would have been dead by that time.
I strongly suspect that the John Wall referred to in this ad would
have to be the son of John Wall, Jr. (and Ann Poythress?). This seems
to make more sense in light of the fact that the person being referred
to was probably a sheriff in the local area, i.e., NC.

So once again, we have confusion introduced by the fact that appear to
be three generations of Walls, overlapping the Brunswick Co., Va., and
Anson/Montgomery Co., NC, areas. The fact that the Montgomery County,
NC, (where the Walls ended up) courthouse burned three times with much
of its records sure leaves us guessing and trying to reconstruct the
whole story.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:40 PM
To: lpoole@dallas.net; POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: RE: Sheriff Poythress

Teresa, Lou,

For what it's worth, Anne Wall Thomas, in Walls of Walltown, quotes an
ad from
July 9, 1799 issue of the North Carolina Minerva and Fayetteville
Advertiser,
where John Wall, Sheriff, advertises 150 acres of land for sale.
Apparently
she believes that the sheriff was the husband of Ann (again, no proof
of
anything).

Steve		02/20/1999 10:43:39
Re: Poythress in Brunswick Co. LibraryTeresa, great work with all these citations. Some of them have appeared
before on the list but many look new to me. Could you please share more
information on the following:

Date of (5) "Meredith Poythres witness on James Upchurch will (will book
2 265-(348))"

Book and page of (6) Thomas Poythress 1783 mentioned as selling 514 acres
to William Warwick"

Book and page for (8) "Jan 1743 order William Poythress to examine Rachel
wife of Thomas Williams"

Date, book and page for (9) "John Poythress land adjoin Lanier Brewer"

Book and page for (11) "Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick Co.
Edmund Ruffins
excr. Receipt was signed by Wm Poythress sher. Proved 29 May 1754 Litt
Tazewell CC"

Date, book and page for (12) "witness on deed of John Edmundson Joshua
Pothress Jr."

Also, tell us a little more about the resources at the Brunswick Library.
Which of the deed and will books do they have? Do they have order books
as well? What other source materials? Are the books on microfilm? My
mother and I have always just used the old books themselves at the
clerk's office next to the court house. We have never used the library.

Best regards,
Lyn

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:21:32 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Teresa Willis
>To: to all Poythress (post)
>Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 3:55 PM
>Subject: Poythress entries found in Brunswick Co. Library
>
>
>This is the Brunswick Co library in Lawrenceville VA:
>
>Brunswick Co. will book vol 1 pg 88
>
> (1) 1754 Charles Poythress named in Alexander Walker's will (will
>book 3 pg
>515)
>
>thought this might be one of us:
>
>(2) John Potess 1760 (will book 3 pg 648)
>
>(3) Ann Poythress 1739 witness on Robert Hicks will (will book 2 pg
>3)
>
>(4) Frans Poythress excr of Jjohn Fitzgerrald 1740 Joseph Turner's
>will
>(will book 2 20-(24))
>
>(5) Meredith Poythres witness on James Upchurch will (will book 2
>265-(348))
>
>(6) Thomas Poythress 1783 mentioned as selling 514 acres to William
>Warwick
>
>(7) 1780-1784 Barnett Randle pd. or received from Thos Poythress
>(will book
>2 206-(263))
>
>
> Deed Book vol 1
>
>I did understand this one at first, but now that we know he was
>sheriff it
>makes since
>
>(8) Jan 1743 order William Poythress to examine Rachel wife of
>Thomas
>Williams
>
>(9) John Poythress land adjoin Lanier Brewer
>
>(10) Mattias Davis of Brunswick Co. to Joshua Poythress of Prince
>George
>Co. 27 Sep 1750 35L 1 negro woman slave Judy and her child; also
>negro boy
>Dick Wit: J. Wall Jr, John Taylor Duke. Proved 26 Dec 1750 St Clack
>CC
>
>(11) Account 1754 of John Wall to Brunswick Co. Edmund Ruffins
>excr.
>Receipt was signed by Wm Poythress sher. Proved 29 May 1754 Litt
>Tazewell CC
>
>(12) witness on deed of John Edmundson Joshua Pothress Jr.
>

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Anna Stanley FoundCharles NealLyn,

How great a find you made! Sure wish that photo had been labelled more
thoroughly (like WHEN it was made, & HOW she was related)!

How neat. I suspect from their proximity on the census page & from
apparently living next door to one another, that Benjamin age 72 is the
father, and 3 of his children are George M; John D; and Anna. And I
wonder, too, whether Anna is really dead, or maybe just married to someone,
having a different surname, (and perhaps even living in some other county
or state) by the 1880 census. Though as you say Anna could also be a wife
of George M.

We could partly test those possibilities if someone on the list has access
to any listing of Brunswick Co VA Marriages and/or next-door Mecklenburg Co
VA Marriages that goes up to 1870 or beyond:
1) Is there a marriage listed in the timeframe of about 1860s to first half
of 1870 for a George M. Stanly / Stanley/ Standley? [This timeframe is
chosen based on Anna Stanley being 23 yrs old in the below 1870 census] If
so, did he marry an Anna [last name unknown]?
2) Is there a marriage listed after June 1 of 1870 for an Anna Stanley
/Stanly/ Standley? If so, to whom?
Sure would appreciate it if anyone can look these folks up.

Further note about who this Benjamin Stanley, age 72 in 1870 [thus born
about 1798] could be, for those of you not recalling Lyn's & my earlier
discussion on him, and WHY he could help on our POYTHRESS research:

Benjamin Stanley on 15 Jan 1824 married (apparently in Brunswick Co, VA --
This marriage is listed in a family Bible-type record) Frances Preston, who
had been born 17 April 1796 in Brunswick Co. She was the sister of
Catharine Preston, who married James E Poythress in Feb 1828. Frances died
25 Jan 1825, only 1 yr after her marriage to Benjamin. Then 7 yrs later,
on 22 Jan 1832 in next-door Mecklenburg Co, VA, a Benjamin Standley [sic]
married Rebecca L. Poythress, who was apparently the daughter of Lewis
Poythress. We speculate Rebecca L was sister of James E Poythress and
David Poythress.

Thanks again Lyn!
BPN
> > >
> This census record found:
1870, Va., Brunswick Co.; Meherrin Parish; 30 Aug; Roll 1637; Original Page
33

> Line 10; Family 301; Stanly [sic]
John D.; age 26; male; white; laborer; $0 personal property; $0 real
estate; born VA
Lucy; age 22; female; white; housekeeper; born VA
Willie; age 2; male; white; born VA

> Line 13; Family 302; Stanley [sic]
Benjamin; age 72; male; white; farmer; $800 personal property; $500 real
estate; born VA
George M.; age 35; male; white; laborer; born VA
Anna; age 23; female; white; housekeeper; born VA

> """BPN, I share your interest in your 'Cousin Anna Stanley' as a link to
the parentage of your James Edward Poythress. Let's review what I
understand you have surmised from your photograph:
1) name Anna Stanley
2) white female
3) age 18-25 at about 1860-65 making her born about 1835-1850
4) called "cousin" by Catherine Preston Poythress (1800-1884) wife of James
Edward Poythress"""
[BPN responded that the person in the photograph is more likely age 23-36,
to which I gladly defer, since BPN has seen the photograph and I have not.]

Compare with this the Anna Stanley identified in this census record:
1) name Anna Stanley
2) white female
3) age 23 in 1870, thus born about 1847
4) in the household of Benjamin Stanley, son-in-law of Lewis Poythress

So who is this Anna Stanley? We might guess she is either the bride of
George M. Stanley and daughter-in-law of Benjamin or else the daughter of
Benjamin. If the daughter, she is either missing from the prior census or
else is mis-named or alternately named Martha. It would appear Rebecca
Poythress Stanley has passed away during the 1860's.

While this does not prove a relationship between James Edward Poythress and
Lewis Poythress, it certainly reinforces our direction of inquiry.		02/21/1999 4:57:14
Anna Stanley FoundThis census record found:

1870, Va., Brunswick Co.; Meherrin Parish; 30 Aug; Roll 1637; Original
Page 33

Line 10; Family 301; Stanly [sic]
John D.; age 26; male; white; laborer; $0 personal property; $0 real
estate; born VA
Lucy; age 22; female; white; housekeeper; born VA
Willie; age 2; male; white; born VA

Line 13; Family 302; Stanley [sic]
Benjamin; age 72; male; white; farmer; $800 personal property; $500 real
estate; born VA
George M.; age 35; male; white; laborer; born VA
Anna; age 23; female; white; housekeeper; born VA

In a message on 10/23/98 I wrote:
"""BPN, I share your interest in your 'Cousin Anna Stanley' as a link to
the parentage of your James Edward Poythress. Let's review what I
understand you have surmised from your photograph:
1) name Anna Stanley
2) white female
3) age 18-25 at about 1860-65 making her born about 1835-1850
4) called "cousin" by Catherine Preston Poythress (1800-1884) wife of
James Edward Poythress"""
[BPN responded that the person in the photograph is more likely age
23-36, to which I gladly defer, since BPN has seen the photograph and I
have not.]

Compare with this the Anna Stanley identified in this census record:
1) name Anna Stanley
2) white female
3) age 23 in 1870, thus born about 1847
4) in the household of Benjamin Stanley, son-in-law of Lewis Poythress

So who is this Anna Stanley? We might guess she is either the bride of
George M. Stanley and daughter-in-law of Benjamin or else the daughter of
Benjamin. If the daughter, she is either missing from the prior census
or else is mis-named or alternately named Martha. It would appear
Rebecca Poythress Stanley has passed away during the 1860's.

While this does not prove a relationship between James Edward Poythress
and Lewis Poythress, it certainly reinforces our direction of inquiry.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Poythress Lane KeysvilleTeresa, regarding a Poythress Lane in Keysville, wasn't Larry Poythress a
pharmacist in Keysville? Wasn't Larry the brother of your grandfather,
Delzie? I seem to recall Mother talking about visiting Larry in
Keysville. (Now Maynard, you must please forgive the bean-shelling just
this once.) Other than this, I have no ideas, but thanks for sharing.

Regarding the location of the Poythress cemetery, give me a call after
2/25 and I can explain it.

Regarding "the old Poythress house and store stand between Gasburg and
Brodnax city limits": I'm not sure what this is. It's a slow 15 miles
from Brodnax to Gasburg on country roads and the recognizable old stores
I recall in between are few: 1) Temple's or Crichton's store, 2) maybe?
a store at Meherrin Church just south of Woodlands Plantation, 3) a store
at Bowers Corner near Tabernacle Church. South of Tabernacle, I'm just
not that familiar. Again, sounds like great material for a phone call.

Best regards,
Lyn

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:50:44 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:
>Today I had to go to Keysville VA, which is about an hour and15
>minutes from
>where I live. The place I went to is right on 360 and when I pulled
>across
>to turn back on 360 west, what do I see, a street sign with the name
>Poythress LN. Okay Keysville is in Charlotte Co, but it is located no
>more
>than 5 miles from Lunenburg and Prince Edward Co. I did not have time
>to
>stop today, but I will be going back on Monday the 1st. I go by two
>Mecklenburg libraries, within 5 miles of the Charlotte Court House,
>Lunlenbrug Co is only a few miles out of the way, and I pass about
>12-15 old
>cemeteries between Brunswick and Keysville. I think I will make a
>day of
>it and get to as many of these places as possible. My question is
>about
>Charlotte Co, do we have any references to Poythress' there or are we
>dealing with co. line changes again? If anyone knows please advise so
>I can
>spend my time wisely. Do any of you know where the Lunenburg court
>house
>is? I would guess either Kenbridge or Victoria.
>
>Lyn,I don't know how much you know about the Brunswick Co. area, but
>when
>you mention the grave yard in Brodnax, is that any where near where
>the old
>Poythress house and store stand between Gasburg and Brodnax city
>limits? Do
>you know where I am talking about? I stopped there today just to
>look
>around, but 2 of the children were with me so I couldn't do much.
>The
>buildings are in pretty bad shape but I can look in the windows and
>snoop
>around a little bit.
>
>Teresa
>Toot@jnent.com

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Paythress in England - Royal Academy of MedicineCharles Neal2-22-99

Someone mentioned to me the other day being aware of the Poythress name in
reference to two historical items:

first, of course, was Jame Poythress & Pocahontas' son;

second, was something I don't recall hearing before & I wonder whether this
is valid (or even partly valid?): "In England the family established the
Royal Academy of Medicine, and used to spell the name as PAYTHRESS."

THUS: If we still have any List members in England, I'd appreciate any
feedback you might have.

Thank you!
Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com		02/22/1999 10:10:24
help with PORTEUSStarrI think I've been on this list too long for I'm beginning to see POYTHRESS
names where they may not be. But on the off chance this happens to be one,
I'm possing this one to the list. We would love to have some input if any
of you guys know anything about these HENSLEYs. But who is the James
PORTEUS, final witness below, IF not a POYTHRESS?

1731/2 28 Feb. Will of Samuel Hansley of King George County and Hanover Parish
being sick and weak, dated 28 Feb 1731/2. Sons by former wife are grown -
William, Joseph and Edward Hanslee each to have one shilling sterling; beloved
wife Elizabeth my land and plantation in Spotsylvania during her life and
after her decease to my two sons James and George Hansley. To son George
Henslee all my ready made waring cloaths; to son Samuel Hensley one heifer or
stear of three years old. All the rest to wife Elizabeth and she is to be sole
executrix. Signed: Samuel (X) Hanslee. Wit: Joseph Berry, Thomas (X) Suttle
[page 10]. 17 Feb 1735 [1736] Presented in Court by Elizabeth Hanslee his
widow. Proved by Joseph Berry and Thomas Suttle. Bond of Elizabeth Hensley,
William Bohannan and Abraham Bledsoe unto Goodrich Lightfoot, justice. For L
100. 17 Feb 1735 [1736]. Elizabeth Hensley is extx. of Samuel Hensley. Signed:
Elizabeth (X) Hensley, William Bohannan, Abraham (AB) Bledsoe. Wit: James
Porteus [page 11].
Source: John Frederick Dorman, Orange County, Virginia Will Book I
1735-1743. Washington DC, 1958. Page 3.

Linda Starr
starr81@ix.netcom.com		02/22/1999 11:36:44
Helpful Search TableKenneth LarsenSearching in Counties split off from Charles City County---Ken
Larsen-1999

To search all the records for
Search:
property now in:

Amelia County Charles Cty
1634 - 1703; Pr. George 1703-1735; Amelia

1735 to date.

Bedford County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Lunenburg

1732-1754; Bedford 1754 to date.

Brunswick County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick 1732

to date.

Campbell County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1746; Lunenburg

1746-1754; Bedford 1754-1782; Campbell 1782 to date.

Charlotte County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765; Charlotte 1765 to date

Charles City County Charles City
1634 to date

Dinwiddie County Charles Cty
1634 -1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1752; Dinwiddie 1752

to date.

Franklin County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1754; Bedford 1754-1786;

Franklin 1786 to date.

Greenville County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1781; Greenville 1781 to date.

Halifax County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752; Halifax 1752 to date

Henry County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752; Halifax 1752-1767;

Pittsylvania 1767-1777; Henry 1777 to date.

Lunenburg County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746 to date
. Mecklenburg County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765; Mecklenburg 1765

to date

Nottoway County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735; Amelia 1735-1789;

Nottoway 1789 to date.

Patrick County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1746-1752; Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767-1777;

Henry 1777-1791 Patrick 1791 to date.

Pittsylvania County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732; Brunswick

1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752; Halifax 1752-1767;

Pittsylvania 1767 to date.

Prince Edward County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735; Amelia

1735-1754; Prince Edward 1754 to date.

Prince George County Charles Cty
1634-1703; Prince George 1703

to date.		02/23/1999 3:47:48
Ga. ArchivesJust returned (4PM EST 2/23) from day at GDAH with Patti. I was apprehensive
at first that she wouldn't find much action since I thought, BPN, she was out
of your line
in Sumter County AL and wouldn't have anything going in Georgia. Wrong! She
had a ton of folks and left, I suspect, a bit overwhelmed as most of us do
after first trip. She will be going back on her own next Tuesday (by which
time I will have returned to KY).

Anyway, I'll go back tomorrow and copy what needs to be copied out of the
Evans book you mentioned, Barbara.

Also, Poythress, Wm. E. was in Co. B, 25th Ga. Inf. (which is where all the
Screven boys where until some were transferred over to 47th Ga. Inf. I'll
get his parole papers and pension papers when I go to Archives tomorrow.

Maynard		02/23/1999 9:11:34
Chas City Co & SubsequentCharles NealKen,

Thanks so much for the search table.

It occurs to me that another way to list those counties shown in your
search table, if one were coming forward in time regarding some property
[i.e. when one DOES know that property was in Charles City County real
early, but one DOESN'T know already which PART of Chas City Co the property
was in] would be to search the following, each from their date of
formation:

Amelia County
Bedford County
Brunswick County
Campbell County
Charles City County
Charlotte County
Dinwiddie County
Franklin County
Greenville County
Halifax County
Henry County
Lunenburg County
Mecklenburg County
Nottoway County
Patrick County
Petersburg (independent city, I believe)
Pittsylvania County
Prince Edward County
Prince George County

Don't know if this will help anyone as much as your table will, but at
least this names all of them, and if clipped out of this message this list
should fit on just a filecard to have with one when researching.
BPN

02/23/1999 10:09:10
FL Muster Rolls Seminole WarsCharles Neal24 Feb 1999

With much thanks to Jane, one of our lurkers who was able to get the needed
pages copied at a good library in south FL, I [BPN] will present below the
limited information about the Poythress men (various spellings) listed on
the rolls. It is my strong opinion after studying the dates and the Rolls,
that there are only a total of 2 Poythress men in these Rolls: William, who
was promoted as high as 1st Lt eventually, and James, who always appears as
a Private. The information comes from two publications from the same series
of Muster Rolls.

Note: As you will see, these Muster Rolls are NOT in chronological order.
Within the pages of typewritten transcriptions in these stapled 8.5"x11"
book, the "page" numbers used (and cited here) are apparently those of the
original handwritten Muster Rolls themselves. I will give the page numbers
of the Muster Rolls just as the book does. I will be quoting verbatim the
verbage about each Roll, INCLUDING their "Comments," parentheses, quotation
marks, underlining where there was apparently a blank place, and question
marks that appear in the book, and I will describe the placement in the
Roll of the POYTHRESS name for our personal research efforts. If I insert
any comment, I will place it in square brackets [like this].

__Florida Department of Military Affairs: Special Archives Publication
Number 68: Vol. 2 Florida Militia Muster Rolls - Seminole Indian Wars__
(St. Augustine, FL: State Arsenal, St. Francis Barracks, no date given)
[This volume had been stamped by the Library in Feb 1989]

Volume 2, pp 72-73:
Muster Roll of Captain Duncan Buie's Company of the First Regiment, Florida
Mounted Brigade of the Florida Militia, commanded by Colonel Bailey,
ordered into service of the United States by Brig.-Gen'l W.K. Armistead
from the 4th Day of August 1840 to the 4th Day of November 1840.

Comments: "In mustering this Force into the service you will instruct the
Mustering Officer to include in the muster the militia now in service of
the Territory from the date they entered it, and to muster out of service
such of them as may wish to return." /s/ A. Macomb, Maj. Gen'l, Commander
in Chief.

On 4 Aug. 1840 at Quincey, Fla., Capt. Duncan Buie certified by signature
that this muster is true, accurate and just. At same place and date, M.
Fauntleroy, Maj., 2nd Dragoons, Inspector & Mustering Officer, certified by
signature that the muster roll was accurate and that he had mustered the
company into service for the period of 3 months, unless sooner discharged.

NOTE: The men of the Company travelled 20 miles to the place of
rendezvous.

1. Duncan BUIE, Captain
2. Edwin T. HOLD, 1st Lieut.
3. Wm. POYTHRYS (?), 2nd Lieut.

[note: Below this were 2 columns, each listing 4 other officers, a 1st
Sergt., 3 Sergts, and 4 Corpls. None of the other names had
readily-apparent significance to our research. This Muster Roll would have
been continued on the next page of the book, which we do not have a
photocopy of.]

- - -
Volume 2, pp 74-75
Muster Roll of Captain Duncan Buie's Company of the First Regiment, Florida
Mounted Brigade of the Florida Militia, commanded by W.J. Bayley (Bailey),
ordered into service of the United States by Brig. Gen. Armistead from the
4th Day of August to the 4th Day of November 1840 when discharged.

On 4 Nov. 1840 at Tallahassee, West Florida, Capt. Duncan Buie,
verified by signature that this muster roll exhibits the true state of the
Company for the period herein mentioned and that the recapitulation is in
every particular accurate. By signature, S. Churchill, Maj. 3d Art'y,
certified that he had mustered and discharged the company from the service
of the United States on 4 November 1840. The Company travelled 20 miles to
the place of rendezvous and 20 miles from the place of discharge to home.

1. Duncan BUIE, Captain
2. Edwin T. HOLT, 1st Lieut.
3. William PORTHYRS, 2nd Lieut.

[note: Below this were first 2 columns, each listing 4 other officers, a
1st Sergt., 3 Sergts, and 4 Corpls. Then below that were 3 columns of
Privates, totalling 62 men in alphabetical order. None of the other names
had readily-apparent significance to our research.]
- - -
- - -

__Florida Department of Military Affairs: Special Archives Publication
Number 73: Florida Militia Muster Roles[sic] - Seminole Indian Wars
(Vol.7)__ (St. Augustine, FL: State Arsenal, St. Francis Barracks, no date
given) [This volume had been stamped by the Library in Oct 1990] [note:
This volume's print was less distinct, and therefore it photocopied less
well. It also was stapled tightly without sufficient margin, and thus
frequently the first letter of the word/name at the left of each line did
not photocopy. Where there is no doubt what the missing letter is, I will
be inserting it. If I cannot tell what it would be, I will insert a space
between square brackets.]

Volume 7, pp 9-10
in and out of service.

Muster Roll of Captain McCall Detachment of the 5th Regiment 2nd Brigade of
Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Dupont ordered into service of
the United States by Maj Dearborn, from the 9th day of May[sic] 1838 to
19th day of May 1838.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of
Captain Wm B. McCall's Company of the Florida Drafted Militia, for the
period herein mentioned, and that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier, are accurate and just. Signed by:
Wm B. McCall, 1st Lieut, Commanding the Company
Date: 9 Mar 1839[sic]
Station: Quincy, Fla.

I certify, on honor, that I have examined this Muster Roll, and that I have
this ninth day of March 1839 mustered in and out and inspected the above
named company of Mounted Militia. Capt L.P. Heintzelman Inspector and
Mustering Officer.

Wm B. McCALL, 1st Lt., present Wm T. POYTHRESS, Sgt., present
John JOHNSON, Corp., present

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, not in alphabetical
order, totalling 21 men. After their names were the comments "present" for
all but 3, and "done duty whole term absent with leave from muster" for
those 3. None of the other names had readily-apparent significance to our
research. At the bottom of that list, and that page, is the following
note.]

Note 1: Members of this unit mustered at Quincy, Fla.
- - -

Volume 7, pp 15-16
Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of Regiment[sic] of 1st
Regiment of Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Wm J Bailey ordered
into service of the United States by Secretary of War from the tenth day of
December 1840 to the tenth day of Mar 1841.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
George R. McElvy's Company of the Florida Mounted Militia for the period
herein mentioned [and] that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier was accurate and just. Signed by:
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: 10 December [no year here]
Station: Tallahassee, W. Fla.

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this tenth day of December 1840 mustered and minutely inspected
the above named Florida Mounted Militia. L.P. Heintzleman Capt U.S.A.
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

[note: As you'll see in the notes below the privates, the following
dollar-amounts are for the value of each man's horse.]

[left column:]
George R. McELVY, Capt. $125
MOSES, servant, $50
Orrien C HORN, Sgt., $90
Harmon McELVY, Sgt., $130
Moses BRYANT, Copl., $100
Thomas CLARCK, Copl., $100
John B. WENBURN, Bugler $80

[right column:]
Edwin T. HOLT, 1st Lt., $100
William T. PORTHEUS, 2nd Lt., $80
Benjamin THORNTON, Sgt., $100
William HARRELL, Sgt., $80
John M. WALKER, Copl., $100
Jasper COLLINS, Copl., $75
Neil JOHNSON, Bugler, $100

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 64 men. After each name was a
dollar amount, except for 7 names which had no dollar amt. Other than the
one following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research. At the bottom of that list, are the below 2 notes]

[one of the privates listed in the right column:]
POITHREY, James, $100

Note 1: Members of this company mustered at Tallahassee, Fla.
Note 2: Dollar values following each man's entry are the value of his
horse.
- - -

Volume 7, pp 17-18
Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of the 1st Regiment, [ ]
Brigade of Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Wm J Bailey ordered
into service of the United States by Secretary of War from the fourteenth
day of March 1841 to the fourteenth day of June 1841.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
George R. McElvy's Company of the _____ for the period herein mentioned;
that the remarks set opposite each officer and soldier was accurate and
just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in every particular, the true
state of the Company.
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: 14 Mar 1841
Station: Charles Ferry

inspected the above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia into the
service of the United States for the term of three months. F. Churchill Maj
3rd Art

[left column]
George R. McELVY, Capt
Timothy T. SMITH, 2nd Lt.
Burwell RUDD, 1st Sgt.
William G. HARRELL, 1st Set.
John D. HARRELL, Corpl
William KELLY, Corpl
John WILSON, Bugler

[right column]
William T. POYTHRESS, 1st Lt.
Owen C. HORN, 1st Sgt.
Edmund L. SMART, 1st Sgt.
Alexander JOHNSON, Corpl
John C. PATTERSON, Corpl
George F. WRIT, Bugler

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 62 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research.]

[one of the privates listed in the right column:]
POYTHRESS, James
- - -

[Apparently this page is a continuation of Volume 7, pp 19-20]

[note: Since we are missing a photocopy of the previous page of the book
where the transcription of this Roll began, we cannot tell the dates of the
Muster Roll or the officers' names. This page appears to begin part-way
into the list of Privates. The part of the list of Privates on this page
shows 2 columns of names, not numbered, with each column in alphabetical
order beginning in the B & C letters, totalling 52 names. Only one of the
names, in the right column is readily of interest to our research:]
PORTHRYSS, James
- - -

Volume 7, pp 21-22

Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of the 1st Regiment, of
the Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col W.J. Bailey, ordered into
service of the United States by the Secretary of War from the fourteenth
day of March 1841 to the twenty-first day of April 1841 when discharged.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
Geo. R. McElvy's Company of the Fla. Mounted Militia for the period herein
mentioned; that the remarks set opposite each officer and soldier are
accurate and just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in every
particular, the true state of the Company. Signed by:
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: Apr 21 1841
Station: Tallahassee

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this 21st day of March 1841 mustered and minutely inspected the
above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia who are hereby honorably
discharged from the service of the United States. S. Churchill 3rd Art
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

[left column:]
Geo. R. McELVY, Capt., has kept in service a private servant and two horses
Timothy G. SMITH, 2nd Lt., has kept in service a private servant and two
horses
William G. HARRELL, 1st Lt.,
John D. HARRELL, Corporal, absent in pursuit of stray horses. order of Capt
from Apr 19
William KELLY, Corporal

[right column:]
Wm T POYTHRESS, 1st Lt., has kept in service a private servant and two
horses
Orren C. HORNE, 1st Sgt.
Burwell RUDD, 1st Sgt.
Edmund L. SMART, 1st Sgt.
Alexander JOHNSON, Corporal
John PATTERSON, Corporal
George F. WIER, Bugler, absent with leave for health from Apr 19
John WILSON, Bugler, sick in Gadsden County

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 63 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research.]

[one of the privates listed in the left column:]
POYTHRESS, James
- - -

Volume 7, pp 23-24

Muster Roll of Captain Alexr McIver's Company of Florida Mounted Militia,
commanded by Lt. Col. __ J. Bailey ordered into service of the Territory by
Gov. R.K. McCall from the 30th day of November 1839 to the 30th day of Mar.
1840 when discharged.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of
Captain Alexr McIver's Company of the Florida. Mounted Militia for the
period herein mentioned; that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier, are accurate and just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in
every particular, the true state of the Company. Signed by:
Alexr McIver, Capt
Date: at discharge Mar 30, 1838
Station: Tallahassee, M.F.[sic: perhaps that stands for Middle Florida?]

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this 27th day of Jan 1843[sic] mustered and minutely inspected
the above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia on the above certificate
under oath of the Captain for the time embraced. S. Churchill Gen.
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

This command, by its strength, is entitled to a 1st Lieut., 2 Sergs, 2
Corps and 1 ___ - from 30 Nov to 5 Dec - to 1st and 2nd Lieut: 3 Serg: 3
Corps and 1 ___ - from 6 Dec to 30 Mar - not having the requisite for a
Company during any part of the term. S. Churchill, Gen.

[left column:]
Alexander McIVER, Capt
Alexr McKenzie, 2nd Lt.
Daniel TOWNSEND, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Duncan BUIE, 1st St., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
John CONNEL, CORP., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Allen McCRANEY, Corp.

[right column:]
Madison LOTT, 1st Lt.
Augustus JOHNSON, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Griffin BALL, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Hiram ROSE, Corp. appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Joseph BLOUNT, Corp., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 55 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research. My opinion regarding this Private below is that, since this is
the second-earliest Roll having a Wm Poythress-similar-name, that this
could be the same William Poythress of varying spellings above, who was
shown in the one earlier Roll of May 1838 as a Sgt -- perhaps he was busted
back to Pvt -- and who was later shown as 2nd Lt. in 1840 and early 1841,
and as 1st Lt. later in 1841.]

[one of the privates listed in the left column:]
PORTRESS, William

Members of this Company mustered at Gadsden County, Florida.
- - -		02/24/1999 7:05:28
Re: [Fwd: Fwd: FW: Grass obituaries]Sheryl.....great.....a thread at least.....and, wow, what interesting people.
It's way back in my memorybone and probably wrong but Patti, did you mention
"Patterson"
Tuesday?

A problem....your resident PC spastic zapped your second message same subject
would you resend pls? Thanks.

If we don't have anyone geographically (or otherwise) close to Mrs. Grass'
decendents, I'll be happy to write them unless somebody else prefers to do it.
It strikes me that anyone of us with "Poythress" actually in his or her name
might have a little more credibility in trying to heist the material if it
still exists. Just a thought.

Neat job on the Fla. muster rolls Jane and Barb.

Barb, I'll get the CSA stuff today.

Great job Sheryl and thanks,

Maynard

02/25/1999 1:02:10
more PORTEUSStarrLyn liked my previous message so well , I decided to send some more.
Hope I got the sources correct -- these notes are coming from another
researcher on our HEAD line -- that really is a surname. Linda

1735 17 June. Porteus vs Finney. James Porteus complains, April 1735, of
Jonathan Fennill, commonly called Jonathan Finney who on 8 March 1734 with
force and arms did beat, wound and evil entreat him so that his life was
greatly dispaired. Summons to Abraham Bletsoe and to William Davis, 20 March
[1735] to testify for James Porteus. Jury: Jno. Bomer, Francis Browning,
Francis Williams, James Stodgill, Wm. Richerson, GEO. HEAD, Jno. Conner,
Benja. Porter, Wm. Bohannon, Wm. Croswait, Isaac Bledsoe. Not guilty, 17 June
1735. Dorman, Orange County, Virginia Deed Books 1 and 2, Judgments 1735. Page
67.
Source: John Frederick Dorman, Orange
County, Virginia Deed Books 1 and 2 1735 - 1738, Judgments 1735.

1735 19 Aug. In the Action of Tresspass Assault and Battery between James
Porteus plt and Jonathan Fennell alias Finnney Deft a Jury to wit Benja.
Porter foreman Francis Browning, Francis Williams, James Stodgill, Leonard
Phillips, William Richeson, GEORGE HEAD, John Conner, John Bomer, William
Croswait, Isaac Bletsoe were impanneld... [page 28-29]. Source: Little, Orange
County Order Book One. Pages 28-29.

1735 19 Aug. Abraham Bledsoe having made oath that he had attended firve days
as a Witness for James Porteus in the Action of Tresspass Assault and battery
brought by him against Johathan Fennell… [page 29]. Source: Little, Orange
County Order Book One. Page 29.		02/25/1999 1:52:17
Geene CountyYep, Barbara, they are all over the place in Greene County and in the earlier
years....soon as I get back I'll send you the citations......erratic though
they may be.

Maynard

02/25/1999 2:17:58
GA 1787 Greene Co PoythressCharles NealToday on the Internet, I ran across an intriguing mention of a Poythress
having land prior to Aug. 1787, apparently in Greene County. Maybe I'm
forgetting something we've seen before, but I don't recall that area of GA
being mentioned before. Greene Co was kind of tall and thin, and was then
due west of Wilkes Co.

I wonder if this might indicate there would be other Greene Co, GA early
documents for POYTHRESS?

This entry apparently appears on pg 178 of __Some GA County Records, Vol.
2 Being Some of the Legal Records of Clarke, Jasper, Morgan, Putnam,
Oglethorge and Greene Counties, GA__ by Rev. Silas Emmet Lucas

Greene Co. Deeds, Book 1]
Pages 194-196: Aug 1787. James Alford of Greene Co. to Thomas Credille of
same, for 20 pds., 200 acres on the waters of
South Ogechee, adj. Poythress, Jordan, Rogers, Michael Rogers, James
Rogers; granted the said Alford 12 July 1787. Signed: James Alford. Wit: D.
Love J.P., Wright (X) Taylor. [his mark a backwards 'R': shm]

By the way the website where I found this, appears to have the entire text
of the above-mentioned book of The Rev. Silas Emmet Lucas, so if you have
other names you wish to search there, look at:
http://www.chrysalis.org/stevem/j1bko6.htm

BPN		02/25/1999 4:26:29
Re: Grass dataCharles NealMaynard, your proposal sounds like a good idea to me. Go for it. (And
Sheryl's other message just said that she was sending immediately, without
taking time to read them, the obits she had just rec'd)
BPN

02/25/1999 4:43:30
Re: FL Muster Rolls Seminole WarsBarbara and Jane, great work on this extensive capture and transcription.
Another puzzle part! Thanks.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Anna Stanley FoundBarbara, you wrote: "I wonder, too, whether Anna is really dead, or
maybe just married to someone, having a different surname, (and perhaps
even living in some other county
or state) by the 1880 census." I have not yet checked the 1880 census.
It may be that Anna was still residing in Brunswick in 1880 and will be
easy to find. Regarding prior census, a comparison of these adjacent
1870 households with the 1860 and 1850 Benjamin Stanley households leaves
one with no doubt this is the same family. The one oddity is the
apparent absence of Anna from the 1860 household, which, as has been
said, could be explained by Anna entering the family by marriage after
1860. Your idea to check marriage records is good.

Teresa Willis: Next time you are in Lawrenceville could you check the
marriage register for Stanley grooms and Stanley brides for 1860 through
1885? That would be a great help.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Paythress in England - Royal Academy of MedicineBarbara, this is interesting news to me. As I recall we have a 19th
century example of the (mis-)spelling "Paithress" in the census of the
1860 Edward Poythress household of Granville, NC. -LPB

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:10:24 -0500 Charles Neal
writes:
>2-22-99
>
>Someone mentioned to me the other day being aware of the Poythress
>name in
>reference to two historical items:
>
>first, of course, was Jame Poythress & Pocahontas' son;
>
>second, was something I don't recall hearing before & I wonder whether
>this
>is valid (or even partly valid?): "In England the family established
>the
>Royal Academy of Medicine, and used to spell the name as PAYTHRESS."
>
>THUS: If we still have any List members in England, I'd appreciate
>any
>feedback you might have.
>
>Thank you!
>Barbara Poythress Neal
>BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com

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Re: help with PORTEUSInteresting, Linda. King George Co. is in the Northern Neck. I seem to
recall some Porteus land patents in the Northern Neck. I also seem to
vaguely remember that, because it was a proprietorship for a time, the
Northern Neck land patents were separately administered and are archived
separately at Library of Virginia. -Lyn

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:36:44 -0600 Starr writes:
>
>I think I've been on this list too long for I'm beginning to see
>POYTHRESS
>names where they may not be. But on the off chance this happens to be
>one,
>I'm possing this one to the list. We would love to have some input if
>any
>of you guys know anything about these HENSLEYs. But who is the James
>PORTEUS, final witness below, IF not a POYTHRESS?
>
>
>1731/2 28 Feb. Will of Samuel Hansley of King George County and
>Hanover Parish
>being sick and weak, dated 28 Feb 1731/2. Sons by former wife are
>grown -
>William, Joseph and Edward Hanslee each to have one shilling sterling;
>beloved
>wife Elizabeth my land and plantation in Spotsylvania during her life
>and
>after her decease to my two sons James and George Hansley. To son
>George
>Henslee all my ready made waring cloaths; to son Samuel Hensley one
>heifer or
>stear of three years old. All the rest to wife Elizabeth and she is to
>be sole
>executrix. Signed: Samuel (X) Hanslee. Wit: Joseph Berry, Thomas (X)
>Suttle
>[page 10]. 17 Feb 1735 [1736] Presented in Court by Elizabeth Hanslee
>his
>widow. Proved by Joseph Berry and Thomas Suttle. Bond of Elizabeth
>Hensley,
>William Bohannan and Abraham Bledsoe unto Goodrich Lightfoot, justice.
>For L
>100. 17 Feb 1735 [1736]. Elizabeth Hensley is extx. of Samuel Hensley.
>Signed:
>Elizabeth (X) Hensley, William Bohannan, Abraham (AB) Bledsoe. Wit:
>James
>Porteus [page 11].
> Source: John Frederick Dorman, Orange County, Virginia Will
>Book I
>1735-1743. Washington DC, 1958. Page 3.
>
>Linda Starr
>starr81@ix.netcom.com

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Re: Grass dataGot it.......I'd like to locate the Grass heirs in Mich. and write them a
letter.....suggesting that no matter how organized or disorganized their
mother's material may be, if they kept any of it "we" would be delighted to
prepare it for inclusion in the Georgia Archives and/or wherever else they
might wish as a "memorial to their mother".......my guess is that (going on
the "description" I got from the admittedly bozo lady) the stuff is not all
neat and tidy......and if it wound up anywhere other than the trash it would
be with a kid.....if we are lucky enough for Mrs. Grass to have had a "pack
rat" son or daughter.

I could also say how much I enjoyed their father in the several very brief
conversations I had with him......he gave me a very strong premonition that he
was one of those guys who had made his life and his family's life about as
enriched as they come. He told absolutely great stories about sitting out in
the red hot auto in
Georgia summer times rather than suffer the heat of Georgia courthouses and
dusty boxes which he considered eminently worse than a hot car.

Anyway, I'm still making it 100 to 1 against us but you have kept this dead
horse on its feet longer than anyone could reasonably have expected! We can't
let him "fall over" now.

What do you think?.....or does anybody else think?

Maynard

P. S. you have STILL got something squirrelly with your e-mails.....I got TWO
messages same day, zapped one by mistake.....and now I think they may have
been identical because when you resent this AM I got that one okay too.		02/25/1999 10:40:34
Helpful Search Table/Corrected #2/SorryKenneth LarsenDedicated to all those whose ancestors seem to have moved from County
to County in Southside Virginia who later found out the ancestor didn't
move--The County names changed.

Searching in Counties split off from Charles City County
Ken Larsen-1999

To search all the records for Search:
property (or People)
now in:

Amelia County Charles Cty 1634 - 1703; Pr. George 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735 to date.

Bedford County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1754;
Bedford 1754 to date.

Brunswick County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr.Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732 to date.

Campbell County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1754;
Bedford 1754-1782; Campbell 1782 to date.

Charlotte County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765;
Charlotte 1765 to date.

Charles City County Charles City 1634 to date

Dinwiddie County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr.Geo 1703-1752;
Dinwiddie 1752 to date.

Franklin County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1754;
Bedford 1754-1786; Franklin 1786 to date.

Greensville County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1781; Greenville 1781 to date

Halifax County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752 to date.

Henry County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767-1777;
Henry 1777 to date.

Lunenburg County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746 to date

Mecklenburg County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765;
Mecklenburg 1765 to date.

Nottoway County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735-1789; Nottoway 1789 to date.

Patrick County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752
Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767-1777;
Henry 1777-1791; Patrick 1791 to date.

Pittsylvania County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767 to date

Prince Edward County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735-1754; Prince Edward 1754 to date

Prince George County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince George 1703
to date.		02/26/1999 1:02:57
Fw: [goodstuff] [Fwd: KEEP THE FED's OUT!!]Teresa WillisI thought some of you might be interested in this letter I received:

>> We now have less than 20 days to contact the FDIC and demand that it kill
its proposed "Know Your Customer" rule. Please forward this message to any
friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, or other people you know who may be
interested, then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the
petition. It will be submitted directly to the FDIC. Plus, a copy will be
sent to your representative in the U.S. House and to both your U.S.
Senators.
>>
>> The FDIC's Know Your Customer rule would force banks to "monitor" your
checking and savings account and report any "unusual transactions" to the
federal government. This frightening threat to your financial privacy would
force your bank to:
>>
>> * Discover your "source of funds"
>>
>> * Determine your "normal and expected
>> transactions"
>>
>> * Report any "suspicious activity" to federal
>> investigators
>>
>> The government claims it is trying to thwart money launderers and drug
dealers. But what this law will do is turn every bank teller into a
government informer and everyone with a bank account into a criminal
suspect.
>>
>> In a free society, the government has no business asking where you get
your money or how you spend it -- and politicians have no right to force
your bank to monitor your account.
>>
>> But that's exactly what's going to happen, unless we can generate enough
opposition before the FDIC's comment period expires on March 8. Outraged
Americans have already flooded the FDIC with over 20,000 comments against
the Know Your Customer regulation -- but the agency hasn't backed down yet.
>>
>> Let's keep up the pressure.
>>
>> Please forward this e-mail to everyone you know who might be interested
in helping, but please don't send it indiscriminately -- spam will only hurt
our campaign.
>>
>> Then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the petition.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>--		02/26/1999 3:26:16
Helpful Search Table/Corrected #2/SorryCharles NealKen (& Lyn, too),

Thank you so much. This is a great version & came thru much more clear.

BPN

02/26/1999 4:01:31
Meredith and Susan (Maner) PoythressOkay all you folks have been beating on me for about six years now saying that
Susan R. Maner was the brother of John S. Maner.......well, she was.....but
she was the brother of John S. Maner JUNIOR.....and she was indeed married to
Meredith Poythress, Jr. which has also come into question several times.
Will this do?

DEED MEREDITH POYTHRESS, JR. TO JOHN S. MANER

Screven County, Ga. Book R Superior Court Deeds & Mortgages

Pg. 69

Georgia
Screven County
This indenture made this 28th day of November in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and forty six between Meredith Poythress of the county
and state aforesaid of the one part and John S. Maner of the same place of the
other part. Witnesseth that the said Meredith Poythress for and in
consideration of the sum of seven hundred dollars to him in hand paid and
before the sealing and delivering these presents the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged has granted bargained sold conveyed and confirmed and by these
presents doth grant bargain sell convey and confirm unto the said John S.
Maner his heirs and assigns all his right, title, claim, demand, benefits and
interest unto the estate of Susan Cooper, deceased of South Carolina who died
intestate which he is entitled to in right of Susan R. Maner, daughter of John
Maner and Ruth his wife formerly Ruth Stafford who was the sister of the said
Susan Cooper to have and to hold the aforesaid bargained premises unto him the
said John S. Maner his heirs and assigns together with all the rights titles
claims demands benefits and interest to which in right of his said wife he is
entitled in fee, said estate in anywise belonging to him for his own proper
use benefit and deliver forever in fee simple and the said Meredith Poythress
his heirs executors and administrators the said bargained premises together
with all the right title claim and possession thereof unto the said John S.
Maner his heirs and assigns will warrant and forever defend the right and
title thereof against himself and wife and against the claims of all other
persons whatsoever, the testimony whereof the said Meredith Poythress Junr.
hath hereunto set his hand and seal the day and year aforesaid.
Witnesses:
Andrew M. Webster
Milford Marsh, Notary Public of Chatham County

his
Meredith x
Poythress
mark		02/26/1999 4:08:39
Evolution of Va. CountiesNeat summary, Ken. Might I also suggest that $25 or so would be well spent
on:

"Atlas of County Boundary Changes in Virginia 1634-1895" by Michael F. Doran.
It is 17 x 11, about 60 pages and I make sure it's never far from my reach.
The successive pages show the status at such and such date and outline same as
each page is basically a full state map. It has only the county boundaries
shown so one doesn't get confused with things like towns, roads, etc.

Patti, this is the one I mentioned to you Tuesday.

For anyone interest, I'm fairly sure Craig stocks this one but if he doesn't
he can get it as quickly as anybody.

Maynard		02/26/1999 4:32:10
Screven County Deeds & MortgagesI am happy to report that I think I have most of the ones involving
Poythresses from the period 1795 (earliest record) through about 1880.....I'll
transcribe the remaining few in the next couple of days and put it together as
a file.....some of them are revealing and some are merely routine. But all
are interesting. I prefer to transcribe the full thing as opposed to making
an abstract.

Tough to scan them that way? Yep. But making an abstract misses many
revealing details and most importantly misses the "flavor" and/or "attitude"
of the document......and you CAN see the difference. Even though a clerk was
doing the writing part one can (for example) see the venom dropping off the
pen in many of these "settlements".

I'm absolutely sure that all our pro's will know this already and I have to
learn stuff the hard way but tackling Deeds & Mortgages (which is invariably
the largest stack of county records) is not easy. Having done it the wrong
way for a long time, may I now list several hints for any of you that want to
try such an ambitious undertaking for a county that has 30 or so rolls of
microfilm covering just its 19th century deeds & mortgages.

1. If it ain't indexed, forget it....unless you have the patience of Job or
unless you have a date or book number or page number.....in which case you
still won't have a
"canvass" but you'll have what you were specifically after for that one deed
or mortgage.

>From here on out we assume there is an index to each "book" (and there usually
is):

2. You CAN'T just look under the "P's" or initials of related families.
Remember it takes TWO to make a deed or mortgage and the Poythress guy or gal
may be the
"party of the second part".......so you HAVE to scan the SECOND party (for the
ENTIRE index) and that second name is almost always also in the index line so
it's not that difficult, just easy to forget.

When a guy got a job as the Superior Court clerk he usually hung on to the job
a long while......and you'll get so accustomed to his handwriting (good or
bad) that a "Poythress" will become easy to spot.....and it's generally an
easy name to spot anyway. Bottom line: if you look only under the P's in the
index you'll wind up with only P's who are "party of the first part" and are
typically always the seller; i. e. if you neglect the rest of the index you'll
miss all the Poythresses who are the BUYERS.

3. A neat side trick is to keep an eye out for whomever is the Sheriff at the
time of that particular book. He will be easy to spot.....his name will show
many, many times and almost always be "the party of the first part" with his
name followed by "sheriff" indicating I assume that he is acting in a capacity
given to him by the court to seize and sell land "at public outcry" as a
result of an execution of some type.

Always look for the "party of the second part" (the buyer) after the sheriff's
name....and, of course, if the Sheriff is Soloman Kemp you'll only have to
look under the "K's" for these. Most often the buyer's name will be shown
also but you have to look a bit harder and further to the right of the
column......and sometimes it won't be shown. If it's not shown you just have
to decide what it's worth to scan all the individual documents showing that
particular sheriff....it's was not that much trouble and usually worth it to
me.

Hope this is helpful to someone.

Maynard

P. S. Lyn......how easy would it be to put the bare bones into an Excel
spreadsheet and then have a hotlink for each to it's individual "full" text
that is sitting in Word? If it's not that big a deal I'll get my son-in-law
to teach me when he visits next month.		02/26/1999 5:10:26
Royal Academy of MedicineWe may get lucky on this one. A close friend of mine is a guest lecturer at
Cambridge Medical College until about March 10 or so. Since I am in his
absence his house sitter and all around flunky he owes me big. Surely if this
record is anywhere it ought to be in the Cambridge Medical School library. If
my friend finds the thread I can do some more pulling this summer on my trip.
Maynard
>>>>>>
Timir.....if you are in the library over there and have a few minutes to give
this thread a tug it might be very rewarding for our genealogy crowd. One of
our members reports a record in England indicating that a member of the
"Paythress Family" founded the Royal Academy of Medicine. This one is
something of a shot in the dark but Paythress is one of the "variants" of the
name. Making it tougher is that no one gave the date of the "founding" of
said Academy.
Thanks,
Maynard
<<<<<<<<		02/26/1999 5:24:24
GrassCliff TownsendMaynard,
Just making sure you got this yesterday. I was having trouble with
server.
Let me know if this one comes through in good shape. sheryl
1st message:

There's good news & not so good.
Neither the Historical Society nor the Manuscripts Division have
anything like an extensive genealogy from/about Grass/Poythress.
The good news is the very good obits Eddie was able to find. They
seem to be rather exceptional. He left it to me to forward them.
Mrs. Grass was very active (for a time) in OK Gen Society--I found
ref in the 1961--excerpts following. We will contact a friend who may
or may not be able to tell us a bit more; but don't hold your breath.
In the June '61 quarterly there are ref telling us that she would
lecture on "Planning Your Summer Research"; and "A Geneaological
Problem--How to Put a Difficult Family Together" Also in this quarterly

was a request from her for info on her gr father, Cicero Smith, A
Confederate soldier from Georgia.
In the June "61 issue, she requested info on the name
HILL--specifically the father of Melissa Hill--b 15 Oct 1849 near
Morrelton, Ark. Her mother was Caroline Titsworth who was adopted by
her step-grandfather, James Campbell. She took the name of Campbell
after the death of her father.
In the June issue she was looking for anyone researching names
TRAMWELL, KITE, CLARKE, KENT, McBRIDE, McDANIEL, PLEASANT & POTTER
names.
The only Poythress ref we found was on micro-film U S & Canada;
book Area; 929.273 W73d. We had a paper copy of this made and will
mail it to you.
Hope this is of some help. We'll try the OK Gen. Soc for Mrs.
Grass' papers; but don't have a lot of hope. I really don't know if
they keep "their info" separate from the state papers.
Best of luck on your research.,
Ed & Anne

2nd message

Subject: Grass obituaries

Here are the obits you requested.

-PUBL- THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN
-COLM- DEATHS and FUNERALS
-DATE- Thu, 20 Mar 1997
-EDTN- CITY
-HEAD- Frank Grass
-PAGE- 30
-SECT- NEWS
-DAYW- Thursday
-LENG- 10
-KEYS- OBITUARY
-TEXT-

GRASS
Frank, 86, passed away March 17, 1997, after battling declining health

for the past several years. Frank was born December 24, 1910 in
Budapest, Hungary. He immigrated to the United States as an infant with

his family. He graduated from Cortland College in New York state. After
graduation, he became a tutor and guardian in Grosse Pointe, Mi., to
the sons of Harley J. Earl, a General Motors V.P. During WWII, he
served as a physical education instructor to Army Air Corps recruits in

Florida and, ultimately, at Tinker Air Force Base. While serving at
Tinker, Frank met and married Patty Julia Patterson (now deceased).
After their marriage in 1945, they settled in Oklahoma City where Frank
began operating the Nehi Bottling Company. His most recent business
activity before retirement was as a commercial real estate appraiser.
Frank was active in civic organizations, belonged to the Petroleum
Club, and was a member of All Souls Episcopal Church. During their
long marriage, Frank and Patty enjoyed world-wide traveling. Their
trips included visits to Alaska, Hawaii, Europe, the Far East, the
Middle East, as well as extensive travel in the U.S. Frank is survived
by his nephew, Frank Stuart Cashman of Shelby Township, Mi; his great
nephews, Mark E. Cashman and Michael V. Cashman, both of Sterling
Heights, Mi; his great niece, Cynthia Wichtner and his great-great
niece and nephew, Nicole and Coltin Wichtner, all of Eustis, Fl.
Funeral service 11:00 a.m. Friday, March 21, 1997, at All Souls
Episcopal Church. Interment Rose Hill Burial Park. The family requests
memorial contributions to All Souls Episcopal Church.

-PUBL- THE SATURDAY OKLAHOMAN
-COLM- DEATHS and FUNERALS
-DATE- Sat, 24 Oct 1992
-EDTN- CITY
-HEAD- Patty Patterson Grass
-PAGE- 16
-SECT- NEWS
-DAYW- Saturday
-LENG- 11
-KEYS- OBITUARY
-TEXT-
GRASS
Patty Patterson, died Thursday, October 22, 1992. She was born
January 16, 1909, in Oklahoma City. Patty was a founding member of All

Souls Episcopal Church and had remained very active in the church. She

was the author of "The Silver Years", a 25 year history of All Souls.
She taught art at Classen High School and Oklahoma City University and
was a graduate of Oklahoma University with a B.F.A. in Art. She
attended art classes at the Palace at Fontainebleau, France, Ecole des
Beaux-Arts; Taos School of Art; Art Students League of NYC; and
numerous other studios. These studies were with many internationally
known artists. She exhibited her work in New York City, Boston,
Oklahoma Museum of Art, Oklahoma Art Center, Tulsa Art Association, and

numerous other exhibits. She served as secretary and vice president of

Oklahoma Artists Ass'n. and was a member of Oklahoma Art League,
Fontainebleau Alumni Ass'n., Oklahoma Watercolor Ass'n., Watercolor
Oklahoma and Southwestern Watercolor Ass'n. Her special awards
included Oklahoma Art League Medal for Still Life in Oils, McDowell
Club of Allied
Arts Medal for Watercolor Landscape, Special Award 1975 by Oklahoma
Art Guild for Watercolor Landscape, and First Prize 1975, Abstract, by
Watercolor Oklahoma. She represented Oklahoma in Who's Who in American

Art since 1940; and is in Who's Who in American Women. She is survived

by her husband, Frank Grass of OKC, whom she married
June 3, 1944; a brother and sister-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. L.E. Patterson;

a nephew, L.E. Patterson, Jr. and a niece, Nancy Patterson, all of
Austin, Tx. Funeral service will be at 12:00 noon
Saturday, Oct. 24, 1992, All Souls Episcopal Church. Interment Rose
Hill Cemetery. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests memorials to
All Souls Episcopal Church.

Hahn-Cook/Street & Draper
6006 NW Grand Blvd 848-3744

Maynard,

As I re-read the obituary of each Mr. & Mrs. Grass, I don't find a child
except
for nieces and nephews. His nieces/nephews were from MI and FL, hers
were from
Austin, Tx.

There was a brother (L.E. Patterson) for Mrs. Grass in Austin, TX.

Have you ever used AnyWho? Maybe we can find them on it. I will send
the site.
Do you have another site to search for people? How would you go about
searching
for these people. I do think they ought to be sought after. I would
like to know
that someone cared so about my work on my genealogy, wouldn't you?

http://www.anywho.com/cgi-bin/htwpq

Keep me posted,
sheryl
ps thanks for the note about my e-mail I don't know what is going on
with it. I
never received my own notice to the list either.

Maynard,
Did you check Any Who?
I found a Larry Patterson, 9812 Woodshire, Austin, TX 78748 phone
512-280-8005
and
CASHMAN,MARK, Branch Street, Sterling Heights, MI 48310 # 810 795 1373
Michael Cashman, 1 Xavier Drive, Sterling Heights, MI 48313 # 810
2478847
WICHTNER,RYAN, 405 Dorothy Circle, Eustis, FL 32726 # 352-357-0347
sheryl		02/26/1999 10:01:24
Helpful Search Table/CorrectedKenneth LarsenSearching in Counties split off from Charles City County
Ken Larsen-1999

To search all the records for Search:
property (or People)
now in:

Amelia County Charles Cty 1634 - 1703; Pr. George 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735 to date.

Bedford County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Lunenburg 1732-1754; Bedford 1754 to date.

Brunswick County Charles Cty 1634-1703;Pr.Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732 to date.

Campbell County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1746;
Lunenburg 1746-1754; Bedford 1754-1782;
Campbell 1782 to date.

Charlotte County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765;
Charlotte 1765 to date.

Charles City County Charles City 1634 to date

Dinwiddie County Charles Cty 1634 -1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1752;
Dinwiddie 1752 to date.

Franklin County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1754;
Bedford 1754-1786; Franklin 1786 to date.

Greensville County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1781; Greenville 1781 to date

Halifax County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752 to date.

Henry County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767-1777;
Henry 1777 to date.

Lunenburg County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746 to date

Mecklenburg County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr. Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1765;
Mecklenburg 1765 to date.

Nottoway County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735-1789; Nottoway 1789 to date.

Patrick County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1746-1752; Halifax 1752-1767;
Pittsylvania 1767-1777; Henry 1777-1791;
Patrick 1791 to date.

Pittsylvania County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1732;
Brunswick 1732-1746; Lunenburg 1746-1752;
Halifax 1752-1767; Pittsylvania 1767 to date

Prince Edward County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Pr Geo 1703-1735;
Amelia 1735-1754; Prince Edward 1754 to date

Prince George County Charles Cty 1634-1703; Prince George 1703
to date.

Lyn Baird kindly told me of an omission in my previous Chart.
I also tried to have this transmission not "break up" in transit.		02/26/1999 10:03:37
Screven Deeds & MortgsCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks for the 1846 deed re Meredith P Jr & Susan Maner! Really looking
forward to all the other deeds you found. Your list of Helpful Hints was
great, too. In some counties they have 2 Indexes to them, one the Grantees
Index and the other the Grantors Index. As you say, looking both ways is
ESSENTIAL. You really got a lot done at the Archives in less than a week;
great job!

BPN		02/27/1999 1:02:16
Re: Screven County Deeds & MortgagesHi Pat.....you say you'd like the Excel spreadsheet idea.....well, I'd
absolutely love it after we take a couple of hurdles:

1) can I be taught?

2) can we hotlink each "line item" to the full documents which would be
sitting in the Word directory?

I'll be working on it. Thanks for the comment.		02/27/1999 3:29:01
Mecklenburg/LunenburgInteresting note off the Mecklenburg list......anybody happen to know if our
folks in Mecklenburg were "first" in Lunenburg.....or any other variation on
the theme. Plus, this e-mail suggests a source:
Maynard

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:51:48 -0700
From: William Hatchell
To: VAMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com
Message-Id: <199902242051.MAA19459@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Subject: [VAMECKLE-L] Lunenburg County Court Orders
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

My ancestors lived in that part of early Lunenburg County which became
Mecklenburg. I have recently found references to named family members
listed in the "Lunenburg County, Virginia Court Orders, 1752-1762: An
Every-Name Index To Orders Books...", abstracted and published by T.L.C.
Genealogy, Miami, FL. The actual records are not included, only names
and book/page indices. I know little re my families marriages at this
time, and am hopeful that an examination of these court records might
reveal more re their spouses and in-laws. If there is anyone who has
access to these records and could help me, I would be happy to pay for
their services. Should anyone have any ideas as to how I might access
these court records, I would be very grateful. The individuals indexed
include Elizabeth, John, Mary, Stephen, Thomas and William Hatchell, also
spelled Hatsell. This family lived on tributaries of Roanoke River in
and around Allen's Creek according to the early land deeds. They
apparently came from Isle of Wight County originally, and before that,
from York and Elizabeth City. The only other reference I have found to
them is in Lunenburg tithe lists beginning in 1748. Any help would be
appreciated!		02/27/1999 3:31:51
Re: 1870 CensusBarbara (BPN),

Reference your message of 2/27/99 --

>>>I need your help please in looking back at the 1870 handwritten census
extract that at least Maynard has, and that he thought that Kathy had prepared
for you, Bud, back in the early 1990s. ............. "4) William @ 39, Martha
@ 28, Idella @ 12, Boston @ 10, William @ 8, Warren @ 6, Robert @ 4. I guess
maybe we don't have a handle on all the rest. William is a stranger."...
etc.... This is William E. Poythress, father of Thomas Boston P and Robert
Lamar P. <<<

The information stated above came from the "The History of Screven County, GA"
and listed in that article written by Dorothy Poythress, Maynard's mother. In
that article she makes reference to the fact that the "William E. Poythress
family as you've listed above as having been listed in the "1870 census."

However, checking through Kathy Best's reports I don't find an extract of the
1970 census -- however in her report under covering letter dated March 20,
1991, she included an extract from the "1880 census", as:

On page 258, Dwelling #552, Family #580 (under columns headed: Name; color;
sex; age; relationship; single/married; occupation; place of birth; father's
place of birth; and Mothers place of birth)

POYTHRESS, William E. W; M; 49; Married; Miller; Birth - GA;
Father's birth - MD; Mother's birth - GA
" " , Martha J. W; F; 39; Wife; married; - Housekeeper; GA;
GA; GA
" " , Idella W; F; 21; Dau; Single; "at
home"; GA;GA;GA
" " , Thomas B. W; M;18; Son; " ;Works on farm, sch.;
GA;GA;GA
" " , Wm. J.(?) W;M;14; " " " " " " " " "
" " , John W. W;M;12; " " " " " " " " "
" " , Robert W;M;10; " " " " " " " " "
" " , Gaza (?) H. W;M; 1, " " " " "

Note: The William J. listed above was actually "William E. Poythress, Jr."
who I have no further information on. He seems to have simply dropped off the
radar screen.
But that Gaza is obviously "Gazzie H. Poythress"; (b. 2/22/1879 & d.
2/4/1969) - married 1st Louise Seckinger (of Effingham Co); then on 7/22/1928
he married 2nd Beulah B. (most likely Blaskburn) (b. 11/19/1896 & d. 2/6/1982)
--- both buried at North Newington Baptist Church cemetery.
And the John W. (for John Warren) is probably the "Warren" you listed above
too.

"Muster roll of 1st Company B - 25th Regiment, GA Vol. CSA, Screven County,
GA list William E. Poythress, Pvt., August 10, 1861. Pension records show he
was in an Augusta, GA hospital in 1985, (and says he was born in 1829). But
William E. Poythress' age is reported variously as "1829, 1931 and 1933) - I
elected to use 1833 since that is the date shown on his grave marker at North
Newington Baptist Church Cemetery.

Barbara, I do hope this info is helpful. We have not be able to learn who the
parents of this William E. Poythress were. Pay special attention to the fact
that he census says his father's birthplace was MD! Do we have any record of
Poythresses in Maryland? And this is also the line that Debbie Freeman has
been chasing of late. Also, you know there was another William Poythress that
lived in Savannah who died leaving a widow but no apparent children. Maynard
recently issued a short report on him, I believe.

Best of luck to you on this endeavor, Cuz.

Take care, and regards to Charles.

As ever, ... Bud		02/27/1999 5:34:15
1860-70 Screven Census Wm (E?) PoythressCharles NealBud & Maynard,

Thanks, Maynard, you found the sheet that I knew you must have, for that
1870 census (below).

I suspect, by the way, that the daughter showing in the 1860 Census as
"Sarah J" was actually "Sarah I" (as in "Idella"). The script way of
writing an uppercase "J" and an uppercase "I" are VERY similar and hard to
distinguish, and it is possible that Kathy extracted it as a "J" when it
might should have been an "I." If little Sarah Idella looked age one to
the 1860 census taker, and Idella looked 12 to the 1870 census taker, it is
possibly the same family. But until I have a chance to study that 1860
Census taker's handwriting on a number of pages (and I haven't seen it at
all, yet), I'm not leaning too heavily on the Sarah Idella thing. It is
interesting though that in both the 1860 & the 1870 census they are within
a few entries of the John Poythress who would seem to be John White
Poythress.

We did indeed get an extraction of the 1880 Census, also from Kathy via
Bud. It is the one that Bud mentioned in his message today that shows Wm E
as a miller whose father was born in MD.

I don't put a whole lot of credence in the MD birthplace, by the way, since
lots of people can be vague on the concept of where their parents had been
born 70-90 years earlier -- and especially if the family had moved to GA
(or the FL panhandle) early enough for the 49 yr-old son to be born down
there.

Thanks again for your help, guys!
BPN
> > >

From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:11:05 EST
Subject: Questions

> William E[. Poythress] . . . 1860 census Your e-mail of 5-16-98 shows
him [indexed as] with "P. O." of Black Creek and a page number of 140.

I show him (my e-mail of 5-17-98) as H. H. # 147, page 81 as

Wm. E. Poythress 27 M Farm Laborer B. Ga.
Martha J. 19 F B. Ga.
Sarah J. 1 F B. Ga.

My notation shows H. H. # 147, Dwelling # 147(which is at Black Creek),
36th Militia District. Close by is John Poythress (NOT John Maner) also on
page 81, Dwelling 141, Family 141. I make this John to be John White
Poythress son of
Meredith Jr. and he is married to a Mary Ann (Wilder?). The proximity
alone suggests some relationship between William and John but I don't have
a clue as to what it might be.

I know it's not John Maner Poythress because he is off in Militia District
34, Sylvania on page 138 Dwelling and Family #'s both 519 and he is
surrounded by the Poythresses whom we know to be in his family ("family" in
this instance to mean the children of Meredith, Jr. & second wife Susan R.
Maner.

So.......I'm sort of comfortable with this William E. m. to Martha J. and
he is the same man who will show up "certified" later in the CSA pension
records and Martha J. is going to live to a very advanced age......dying in
something
like 1935.

For the 1870 census I have A William and he's married to A Martha and the
mother and father's ages aren't exact and they look close enough....... but
this family just doesn't seem to be the same one as the 1860 census.
They're in the wrong place, they have lost daughter Sarah J., and they now
have a 12 year old who wasn't in the previous census and on top of all that
this William says he was born in Florida.

639/576 William Poythress 39 M W FL (farm laborer) B. Fla.
Martha 28 F W Ga.
Idella 12 F W Ga.
Boston 10 M W Ga.
William 8 M W Ga.

Warren 6 M W Ga.
Robert 4 M W Ga.

Again, simply as historical background, one can discount a lot of stuff
wrong or missing in that 1870 census......those folks were in the middle of
reconstruction and had every reason to be suspicious of anyone asking for
information and "writing it down".<		02/27/1999 6:23:25
Yet another variationCraig R. ScottWhile doing some research for the Fort Mackinac Historical Commision
yesterday I found the account of one, German Pothiers providing provisions
to the Macknac garrison for the company of Boyd and Storm. The letter was
dated 21 July 1807. Just an aside.

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications
02/27/1999 8:38:55
Re: Elizabeth POYTHRESS/FITZGERALD/IRBYHi Nancy, happy to have you on the list. Our listmeister Al Tims is a native
Mississippian and we have others on the wire as well.

Your Elizabeth Poythress is # 22 on R. Bolling Batte's chart of the early
Poythress family in Virginia. There is some text on the web page
(http://www1.minn.net/~atims/). It is under "Studies and Charts"....and then
under the heading of "R. Bolling Batte, etc."

Incidentially, Mr. Batte's text is highly regarded in it's tracking of some of
the first generations through the 11th generation of some lines. However, the
pure text is a terror to get your mind around. Accompanying the text is a 17
x 11 chart that will make the whole thing come clear as you read the text. If
we reduce the 17 x 11 chart enough to get it on a computer screen it is then
too small to read. I appointed myself to make a blue million 17 x 11
photocopies and am pleased to mail a copy to anyone who sends me a name and a
snail mail address. There is no charge, I do this crazy stuff for fun.

The only Poythress/Lee connection with which I am familiar is that of Sally
Bland Poythress (Batte # 281 6) who married Richard "Squire" Lee, brother to
Henry Lee and thus he was the uncle of General Lee. That marriage is treated
with some hilarity (mostly deserved) on pages 53 and 54 of "The Lees of
Virginia" by Paul C. Nagel, published within the past few years and it was a
good seller so it should be in just about any library in the South. However,
if there is another Lee connection I would be most happy to learn about it.

And I would hope that others on the wire would be able to fill you in more on
the specifics of Elizabeth. A humorous caution is to evaluate your
""Elizabeths" closely before embracing one named Poythress......we are up to
21 of them and still counting. 🙂

Again, welcome to the group.

Maynard
[John M. Poythress]		02/27/1999 8:49:50
File AttachmentsTimsPoythress List Members,

I've noticed attempts to send attachment files with messages. Fact is, the
RootsWeb setup doesn't do attachments (GEDCOM, RTF, or any other format). It
may reject or simply convert the attachment to text (usually just a garble).

We've got 3 choices for attachments. First, just send them directly to the
person(s) requesting the information. Second, we can put attachment files up on
the web site for folks to download as they desire. Third, use snail mail to
send a disk to the person(s) requesting the information.

It is wonderful to see the active exchange of research and information. And we
certainly want to do everything we can to make it easy, but attachments to
messages sent via the mailing list isn't going to work for us. The reason
RootsWeb doesn't allow attachments is pretty simple: They host thousands of
genealogy lists and distribute hundreds of thousands of messages every day. If
they allowed attachments the entire system would crash -- at least that is what
they tell me :-)).

Best,
Al Tims		02/27/1999 9:37:18
Re: Yet another variationWhere is Mackinac ? Does the geography work?

Thanks,

Maynard

02/27/1999 10:09:31
QuestionsBarbara....perhaps this will help.....offering some positives and negatives.

First, my mother was a lady of many talents but genealogy was not one of them.
It often seems that she made it up as she went. I would be inclined to
totally disregard that article in Screven County History (and incidentally, I
don't bet the farm on any of those other articles....the quality is very
uneven).

Communities: Jacksonborough (no longer exists I believe), Halcycondale (now a
"Ser-Sta-Gro" on the side of the road, Newington, Black Creek, Oliver, and of
course, Sylvania. There was even a Poythressville at one time but I think that
might have been over in Burke County where John C. Poythress started a short-
lived "academy" and I suspect he named the place after himself.

Re Wm. E.......I'm probably a little better than that "Accelerated Indexing
System" but only because I'm looking for our specific people and not trying to
catalog the world. However, I don't even have William E. showing up until the
1860 census Your e-mail of 5-16-98 shows him with "P. O." of Black Creek and
a page number of 140.

I show him (my e-mail of 5-17-98) as H. H. # 147, page 81 as

Wm. E. Poythress 27 M Farm Laborer B. Ga.
Martha J. 19 F B. Ga.
Sarah J. 1 F B. Ga.

My notation shows H. H. # 147, Dwelling # 147(which is at Black Creek), 36th
Militia District. Close by is John Poythress (NOT John Maner) also on page 81,
Dwelling 141, Family 141. I make this John to be John White Poythress son of
Meredith Jr. and he is married to a Mary Ann (Wilder?). The proximity alone
suggests some relationship between William and John but I don't have a clue as
to what it might be.

I know it's not John Maner Poythress because he is off in Militia District 34,
Sylvania on page 138 Dwelling and Family #'s both 519 and he is surrounded by
the Poythresses whom we know to be in his family ("family" in this instance to
mean the children of Meredith, Jr. & second wife Susan R. Maner.

So.......I'm sort of comfortable with this William E. m. to Martha J. and he
is the same man who will show up "certified" later in the CSA pension records
and Martha J. is going to live to a very advanced age......dying in something
like 1935.

For the 1870 census I have A William and he's married to A Martha and the
mother and father's ages aren't exact and they look close enough....... but
this family just doesn't seem to be the same one as the 1860 census. They're
in the wrong place, they have lost daughter Sarah J., and they now have a 12
year old who wasn't in the previous census and on top of all that this William
says he was born in Florida.

639/576 William Poythress 39 M W FL (farm laborer) B. Fla.
Martha 28 F W
Ga.
Idella 12 F W
Ga.
Boston 10 M W
Ga.
William 8 M W
Ga.
Warren 6 M W
Ga.
Robert 4 M W
Ga.

For the 1880 census I have neither William......but disregard this, my 1880
records
are terribly skimpy. For 1890, of course, no census. For 1900 and 1910 no
Williams
at all but again, I have the same problem with lack of records as I do for the
1880 census.

Again, simply as historical background, one can discount a lot of stuff wrong
or missing in that 1870 census......those folks were in the middle of
reconstruction and had every reason to be suspicious of anyone asking for
information and "writing it down".

That's about the best I can do, Barbara.

Maynard		02/27/1999 10:11:05
Elizabeth POYTHRESS/FITZGERALD/IRBYajnkhI'm new to the list,and HOPE someone can help me with information on
Elizabeth POYTHRESS w/o John FITZGERALD.
Their son (William FITZGERALD), married an Elizabeth IRBY.
ANY information on any of these would be great, but I'm especially
interested in HOW they connect to the Robert E. LEE family, and I'd love to
find ANY other (IRBY'S) in these lines!! Thanks!! Nancy in Ms.

02/27/1999 11:16:08
1870 CensusCharles NealMaynard & Bud,

I need your help please in looking back at an 1870 handwritten census
extract that at least Maynard has, and that he thought that Kathy had
prepared for you, Bud, back in the early 1990s. It is the Poythress one
for the following family apparently in Screven Co, which Maynard mentions
way down in the below message, saying: "4) William @39, Martha@28,
Idella@12, Boston@10, William@8, Warren@6, Robert@4. I guess maybe we
don't have a handle on all the rest. William is a stranger." This is
William E Poythress, father of Thomas Boston P and Robert Lamar P.

I've looked thru my copies of all the copies you sent, Bud, of Kathy's
items, and I don't have such a sheet. Maynard, it makes me wonder whether
it might be a sheet that your mother prepared, since your mother also
mentioned these names and ages in a paragraph of her article #F346 on the
Poythress Family in that book, __The History of Screven Co, GA__ which was
compiled by the Screven Co History Project from articles submitted by
various people, and was published in 1989 by Curtis Media Corp, Dallas, TX.
I know that when such books are being prepared, there is frequently a
limit on the number of words that can be in each person's submitted
article.

At any rate in the book, it does not give some essential items that should
have been jotted down by whoever was doing the extraction of census data,
and I'm HOPING that the other info is on the actual handwritten extract (OR
that someone has access to that census itself to look it up). The items
missing, that I sure would like to know, are the following:
- What Post Office in Screven Co, GA?
- What occupation was given for Wm E? (And any beside other family
members would be great, too)
- What place of birth did Wm E give?
- What value is given for his real estate and personal property?
- What Enumeration District, sheet, dwelling, and family numbers are given
for the household? (Maynard's message below sounds like either the dwelling
or the family is # 639, but that is not mentioned in the book.

Also, Maynard mentioned (below) that apparently next door to that
household, #640, was the household of "John (White?) P." That is the first
one discussed, in depth, in his (below) message. However there is no
listing for #639 or for Wm E Poythress on the handwritten sheet that I have
with that family #640 (dwelling #705) on it.

Thanks so much for looking back thru your handwritten sheets (or any other
source) for this 1870 Census entry.
BPN

> > >
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:18:28 EST
Subject: 1870 Census
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

For 1870, check your stuff from Cathy because the page I have for Screven
1870 looks awfully much like her handwriting.

Bud, I haven't yet plugged all this stuff into my new Family Tree software
and don't have access to it on my old Reunion software so I'm kinda flying
blind but I think Cathy's very first entry is the one you want:

Page 370
Dwelling # 705
Family # 640
Post office: Halcyondale

Poythress, John 49 Male White Farmer $500 $200 Born Ga.
, Maryan 47 Female K. H. (Keeps House). ditto
, William 19 Male White Farm Laborer
ditto
, Henrietta 18 Female White "At home"
ditto
, Viola 11 Female White ditto
ditto
, Charles 8 Male White ditto
ditto
, Lee 7 Male White ditto
ditto

If this is not the family, I don't know what to tell you because I think we
have a handle on the rest of the 1870 census:

1) Daniel, Laura, Hattie For sure that is Dan Willie, John Maner's
brother.

2) Susan, Mary, Ruthy..........John Maner's sister? but since Susan is
64 years old maybe its more
likely she is
John White's sister. I
seem
to remember
a Susan out of Meredith
Jr.'s
first marriage

3) Rhody, Alice, Eda, William, Cullen. Widow and children of John
Maner.
(for sure)

4) William @39, Martha@28, Idella@12, Boston@10, William@8,
Warren@6, Robert@4. I guess maybe we don't have a handle on
all the rest. William is a stranger. Let's look at the dwelling
numbers
for a clue:

Daniel is 875, Susan is 879, and Rhody is 883.....these are all right
there together as I would have guessed since they look to be John Maner
P.'s
folks.....and maybe Susan at 64 is John Maner's aunt.

John (White?) P. is #640 and William is # 639, looks like next door which
would say to me they are likely from Meredith Jr.'s first marriage as sons
of
Hester Wilder Mock.......assuming the birth dates let that happen okay?

How does that look to you?

Maynard
<		02/27/1999 12:15:17
LDS Website>From another list comes this posting:

GUESS WHAT!
Beginning about March 1st, possibly a few days later, the LDS Church
will release a beta test of Family Search on the Internet for about a 3
week trial basis at: http://www.familysearch.org (Keep checking until
they actually have it up and running.)
They would like everyone to try it out and respond! After the short beta

testing they will take it off the Internet in order to fix any problems.		02/28/1999 2:29:59
1870 Screven CensusCharles Neal2-28-99

Maynard,

I just noticed one further question-point, in that 1870 Census entry for Wm
Poythress:

You had earlier noted that Wm was in "dwelling #639" and that John
Poythress [probably John White Poythress] was "next door" in "dwelling
#640" (see copy from your earlier message at bottom, here)

Yet now in looking at your message yesterda, in which you gave a fuller
transcription of this census entry for William, I note that you put the
numbers for the entry as "639/576."

The census form has first the dwelling number, and then the family number,
so I assume that his was DWELLING #639 and family #576 (unless the the
dwelling and family numbers have been reversed in that handwritten
extraction you are looking at -- perhaps it was made by your mother? since
Kathy did not do it?).

Yet the entry for John [White] Poythress at the Halcyondale Post Office
area according to Kathy's extraction, was on page 307, dwelling 705, and
FAMILY 640. Thus John's family #640 was not really that near William's
family #576, it would appear. Does William's handwritten extraction
actually show the Halcyondale P. O., too?

Thanks for re-checking.
BPN
> > >
>4) William @39, Martha@28, Idella@12, Boston@10, William@8, Warren@6,
Robert@4. I guess maybe we don't have a handle on all the rest. William is
a stranger. Let's look at the dwelling numbers for a clue:

Daniel is 875, Susan is 879, and Rhody is 883.....these are all right
there together as I would have guessed since they look to be John Maner
P.'s folks.....and maybe Susan at 64 is John Maner's aunt.

John (White?) P. is #640 and William is # 639, looks like next door which
would say to me they are likely from Meredith Jr.'s first marriage as sons
of Hester Wilder Mock.......assuming the birth dates let that happen okay?,		02/28/1999 3:23:25
RANSOM H. POYTHRESSCharles NealCaroline,

Thank you so much for your update on Ransom Poythress as a possible link-up
of the Ransom & Poythress names. When he mentioned that his branch of the
Poythress family came over from England "late" as compared to some of the
lines, did he give any approximate century or part of a century of when his
line came?

Enjoyed your message

Barbara (BPN)

02/28/1999 9:26:54
Elizabeth Poythress/John Fitzgerald-1700sCharles NealJane,

Thank you! Glad you posted your Poythress connection. Good to have you
aboard & hope some of our other List folks can help you on your portion of
the Poythress line.

Unfortunately, my database so far does not extend far enough back to have
any info to share on this connection. Sorry I don't have any help for you
there.

If you have not seen the following, I think they get back to the right
timeframe and families to be able to address this connection.

(1) John Frederick Dorman's book on the Epps family (mentioned recently by
Maynard), and

(2) at the Archives Dept of the Library of VA, a manuscript by Richard
McIlwaine Dunn on the Poythress family includes a handwritten chart by Dunn
in 1953 that details "The First Five Generations of The Poythress Family."
Dunn's items are LVA's Archives record # 29481. I have not checked to see,
but this could well be available online at the LVA site, where you can
search their archival manuscripts that have been put online to date by
archive record # as well as by name.

BPN
> > >
From: Congs@aol.com
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:05:04 EST
Subject: Elizabeth Poythress/John Fitzgerald-1700s
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Hello List Members,
I've been a lurker for some time and have enjoyed and learned much from
your
friendly and informative posts. I'll post my Poythress connection with the
hope that others who may share some of the same ancestors may be able to
exchange info with me about them. It seems I don't carry the Poythress name
very far, but the blood is still there just the same.

Francis Poythress, ( -- abt. 1650) m. Mary________
John Poythress m. Christian
Peebles
Elizabeth Poythress (2 2 on the Batte Chart) m. John Fitzgerald
William Fitzgerald I (d. 1771 at "Leinster", Amelia, Va) m. Elizabeth Irby
Wm Fitzgerald II (1751-1818) m. Sarah Eppes (dau of

Francis2, Francis1 and Frances Eppes of Kent,
ENG.)
Francis Fitzgerald (b. 1783) m. Frances Jones *
Rev. James Henderson Fitzgerald (1821-1893) m. Lucy Eldridge #
Frances Eldridge Fitzgerald (1851-1940) m. Mary Hill
Fanny Fitzgerald (1885-1958) m. Alexander E.Crall'e
Frank Eldridge Crall'e (1912-1988) (My Father)

* Frances Jones, desc Peter Jones , Col Richard
Jones
# Lucy Eldridge, Poythress descendant		02/28/1999 9:26:56
LDS WebsiteCharles NealBPW,

Thanks so much for passing this on. Great news.

BPN

02/28/1999 9:51:32
Elizabeth Poythress/Fitzgerald 1700's!ajnkhHi Charles!! Thank You, for posting this for us!! I know William FITZGERALD
m Elizabeth IRBY fits into the General Robert E. LEE family,But do you know
how?? Is it through Juliet CARTER, wife of Robert E. LEE Jr.?? I found this
tree on the FTM,but I can't figure out how it goes.. It has taken me
forever it seems to find my first IRBY connected to General LEE. Elizabeth
was my first,also Helen KELLER is suppose to fit in with FITZGERALDS,
IRBY's,and LEE's too!! If you know ANY other IRBY'S or how they fit in the
LEE tree,I'd sure appreciate the help!! Thanks, Nancy

02/28/1999 9:58:07
Fitzgerald-Irby-Lee questionCharles NealNancy,

Unfortunately, my database so far does not extend far enough back to have
any info to share on this connection. Sorry I don't have any help for you
there.

You might try the 2 possible sources I mentioned earlier.

BPN		02/28/1999 10:48:11
RANSOM H. POYTHRESSBPN, MAYNARD et al,

RANSOM H. POYTHRESS (with whom I finally got in touch) of Clovis, California
told me that: 1. RANSOM is not a family name. It seems he was named for the
doctor who delivered him. 2. He has not been particularly interested in
genealogy but he is online and is open to persuasion...i.e. he consented to
let me send him forwarded copies of the POYTHRESS list. 3. His e-mail address
is RHPoythress@juno.com. He was very kind and if he thought I was nuts, he
didn't say so.

He also said that although his branch of Poythresses came over from England
late (compared to some of yours) he is probably distantly related to the
political Georgia Poythresses, Maynard & kin. He also said there were several
alternate spellings of his surname, including PORTHRESS which happens to be
one of the ways PORTIS has been spelled in my line.

I am hoping you can all interest him in participating in this scholarly but
fun and friendly e-mail list. How could he NOT enjoy it??

For him and others who might be unaware of it, the webpage is wonderful.
Click on the hyperlink or go to this URL... http://www1.minn.net/~atims
Poythress Genealogy Research

Regards,

Caroline Burnett Cook
descendant of
CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM(1752-1827)and KIZIAH PORTIS, daughter of JOHN PORTIS d.
1794 Halifax Co, NC and SARAH JANE WILDER		02/28/1999 11:02:38
Elizabeth Poythress/John Fitzgerald-1700sHello List Members,
I've been a lurker for some time and have enjoyed and learned much from your
friendly and informative posts. I'll post my Poythress connection with the
hope that others who may share some of the same ancestors may be able to
exchange info with me about them. It seems I don't carry the Poythress name
very far, but the blood is still there just the same.

Francis Poythress, ( -- abt. 1650) m.
Mary________
John Poythress m.
Christian Peebles
Elizabeth Poythress (2 2 on the Batte Chart) m. John Fitzgerald
William Fitzgerald I (d. 1771 at "Leinster", Amelia, Va) m. Elizabeth Irby
Wm Fitzgerald II (1751-1818) m. Sarah
Eppes (dau of
Francis2, Francis1and Frances Eppes
of Kent, ENG.)
Francis Fitzgerald (b. 1783) m. Frances
Jones *
Rev. James Henderson Fitzgerald (1821-1893) m. Lucy Eldridge #
Frances Eldridge Fitzgerald (1851-1940) m. Mary Hill
Fanny Fitzgerald (1885-1958) m.
Alexander E.Crall'e
Frank Eldridge Crall'e (1912-1988) (My Father)
* Frances Jones, desc Peter
Jones , Col Richard Jones
# Lucy Eldridge, Poythress
descendant		02/28/1999 12:05:04
Re: Elizabeth Poythress/John Fitzgerald-1700sJane: shame on you! Your credentials are impeccable; modesty is not called
for. In fact, if you have done the line back to Francis you are ahead of
about 90% of us who are still thrashing.......my guess is that if one can
bypass the Prince George County courthouse the line is difficult to locate but
not impossible. If one has to go through that burned courthouse, it's darn
nigh impossible.

So, bask in your good fortune....and find joy in not having the compulsion (?)
that many of us bear. . With your "specs" and abilities, you have shown
in record time (via the Florida Muster Rolls and other items) the quality of
the contribution you have made and can continue to make. Don't think the job
is done.....there are others you need to help drag into the lifeboat.

I delight in your contributions and hope you continue to jump in with your
always constructive and productive comments.

So There!

Maynard		03/01/1999 3:14:56
Carl Hutton PoythressDebbie, I'd say if he is from Laurel, Miss. he's almost got to be one of
Barbara P. Neal's folks but I'll leave that for her to say. Interesting that
his middle name is Neal.

Maynard

03/01/1999 3:47:06
Re: RANSOM and POYTHRESSCraig R. ScottI don't know the particulars of this story and someone will set me
straight, I hope. I remember years ago talking with someone at a North
Carolina Genealogical Society meeting and he mentioned that a bunch of
Ransom's changed their name to Poythress or the other way arround, a bunch
of Poythress's changed their name to Ransom (or was it Rankin). And Maynard
complains of senior moments. I'm not old enough, yet.

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications


03/01/1999 6:00:35
WA PoythressDebra FreemanHello everybody,
I just got a response from Preston Poythress in Seattle, WA. I thought he
might be a first cousin to me...but, alas, he is not. Here is his info.
Maynard or BPN, can you connect him to one of the other lines? He doesn't
belong to me.
>>
My name is Preston Poythress and I currently live in Seattle, Washington.
The information I have is as follows:

Preston Neal Poythress, born 3/26/68, Denver, Colorado
Married August 1, 1998 - Bellingham, Washington - to Astrid Marion Klopsch,
born 10/5/71 - parents Margrit and Jurgen Klopsch
Parents Carl Hutton Poythress 7/23/23 Laurel, MS; Frankie Carolyn Roy
1/1/35, Clarksdale, MS

My mother Frankie, lives in Colorado and has a more complete relative
history. I have forwarded your letter on to her. She may be contacted by
e-mail at poythress@hbcllc.com She would be happy to help. Thank you and
the best of luck!
>>
Frankie might be a source for those of you looking in MS. Let me see what
else I can find out.

Debbie		03/01/1999 6:39:17
Re: RANSOM and POYTHRESSCraig.....it's not only the age....it's also single malt zapping those brain
cells!

Maynard

03/01/1999 7:31:35
John Wm Poythress & Eva JoynerCharles NealSarah,

J[ohn] W[illiam] Poythress (the son of J[ohn] L[ewis] Poythress and
T[abitha] A[nn] [Nunn] Poythress) married Eva Joyner (who I believe you
identified as the daughter of J Ed Joyner & Hivania Joyner), which I know
you are already aware of. We know they married "at Ed Joyner's" in Franklin
Co, NC, 25 Dec 1888, according to the Franklin Co, NC Marriage Bond and
Return info that was included in a posting a year ago, 20 Feb 1998 by Craig
Scott, captioned "Louis Poythress."

Today, I was checking out a number of Carol Morrison's great GenWeb pages
for different counties. One of them was the Franklin Co, NC page < located
at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncfrankl > It has some cemetery records
posted, one of which is for a Joyner Family Cemetery. That one was posted
by a Shannon Joyner. I think there was a link to be able to email Shannon,
but I have not done that.

It has only 8 Joyner grave inscriptions, and then at the bottom of it was
the note that also buried there was "Unknown person believed to be
Poythesse?" [sic]. That, of course, caught my eye, so I looked at the
Joyner burials more closely & remembered having seen the last name last
year. One of the burials seems to fit, to be Eva's father: there is a
John Edgar Joyner, marked as being "(private COG 47th NC Troop) B.1841
D.1898" I do not know what "COG" stands for, but I presume it has
something to do with the Civil War.

There is also another John Edgar Joyner, more appropriate to be a brother
(or maybe a cousin) of Eva's, since he was b.in 1872 and d.in 1939. He was
married to Harriet Braswell, according to the cemetery listings, who d. in
1967 (by far the most recent death listed).

I know that C Ray Poythress had indicated to me a good while ago, that John
William Poythress (husband of Eva Joyner) moved to Texas, but I don't know
how soon after their Dec 1888 marriage he/they moved, or where in Texas
they moved. Ray's part of the family lost touch with him/them. Seeing that
"Unknown person believed to be Poythesse?" grave listed in the Joyner
cemetery makes me wonder if perhaps the couple had a child who died in
Franklin Co, NC before the move to Texas.

Are you aware of this cemetery? I can't tell from the web listing just
WHERE in Franklin Co, NC it is. Seems like you were in touch with a member
of the Joyner family, though I could be remembering wrong on that. If so,
could you see if anyone there can tell us anything further?

I would appreciate learning anything you might know or find out.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)		03/01/1999 7:44:08
Just a little infoTeresa WillisHi everyone. I finally talked to my Aunt Bertha yesterday. She sure didn't
give me much information, but I enjoyed talking to her. First off Barbara
you had asked about my uncle's name Perry Algie. She said that she knows
that all her siblings and herself were named for others in the family, but
she doesn't know exactly who the Algie name came from. Sorry no help there.
I think Jean had ask about where she and her siblings were born and where
they attended school. They were all born at home which was here in Gasburg
(Brunswick) and they attended the Gasburg school, which is still standing
but it is a house now.
The house and store that I was told was run by Poythress' may be a mistake,
Aunt Bertha has no recollection of this store. I will do some more digging
on that one.
Lyn, Aunt Bertha, says that the only name she knew her grandfather to be
called was Jim. I remembered my mother telling me that when she said it.
Oh course Jim for James is very possible. She also says that her
grandfather Jim lived right across the creek from their house. Remember the
mention I made of the old home place at the rock. That is where both of
them lived. Do you know where the boat landing in Gasburg is? If so, that
is where Willie T.'s house was and before the lake was made there was just a
creek running through the rock.
She told me a few more things about family members that are still living.
One of the cousins lives in Washington state. And one cousin that was a
minister in Texas still has some family there. That's about it from her.

Teresa

03/01/1999 8:43:48
ResourceOff the Mecklenburg wire below. Anyone have this one? Maynard

>>
I have a book titled "Along the Border A history of Virgilina, Virginia and
the Surrounding Area in Halifax and Mecklenburg Counties in Virginia and
Person and Granville Counties in North Carolina" (phew, long title) by Rev.
Harry R. Mathis. c. 1964. I don't know how many editions of this book are
out there (this belonged to my grandfather) but it has about 10 pages of info
on Bethel Baptist chuch.<<		03/02/1999 3:33:17
PettipoolLou, if you aren't on the Mecklenburg County list (VAMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com)
you might want to fetch V99 # 26 out of today's digest post.....or maybe get
it out of their archives if you look later. They had half dozen Pettipool
exchanges today.

Maynard		03/02/1999 3:39:36
PORTIS/PORTHRESS namechange to RANSOM Can YOU explain???Craig,

Is it possible you are thinking of the facts in regard to the first two
sons of my ancestor CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM (1752-1827) Isle of Wight Co,
Va>Halifax Co, NC>Williamson Co, Tn. who married KESIAH/KIZIAH PORTIS daughter
of JOHN PORTIS/PORTHRESS??

In my search to find KIZIAH's parents, I ran across a NC state record of a
court action to change the names of ROBERT PORTIS and BENJAMIN C PORTIS to
RANSOM. The act was put forth by CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM and the two boys. I
never have understood this at all because I THINK (now that I have found the
PORTIS family) that they could not have been children of KIZIAH's brother who
died. The alternative seemed to be that K and R had not married until after
Benjamin (the second son) was born and R. had to "adopt" his own sons.
However, their marriage record says K & R were married before the two sons
were born.....hmmm.

The main thing(FOR POYTHRESS PURPOSES) is that the court record spelled it
PORTHRESS ...and this is not the only time I have seen a close variation.

Index to the NC State Records: p 399: REF. to

RANSOM, ROBERT- An Act to change name from PORTHRESS; vol. 24 pg 939

Also under ROBERT PORTHRESS: a Bill to Change Name - Voil.20;
pp155,159,179,190,191,339,357,366,377.

And under BENJAMIN C.RANSOM - pg 398 Act to Change Name from PORTHRESS vol 24,
p 939 (and several repeats of thepp from Vol 20 above in re: to his brother
ROBERT.)

The NAME CHANGE BILL itself is in Vol 20. The Bill was brought by RICHARD
RANSOM, ROBERT PORTHRESS AND BENJAMIN C. PORTHRESS.

(these refs first showed us where to look for the PORTIS/PORTHRESS
family...their roots were apparently in FRANKLIN CO, NC)

Now you POYTHRESSES will have to admit that my Kiziah was probably a
POYTHRESS, hm? If anyone can explain this kind of act to me I would appreciate
it...forget the embarassment. My acnestor, JOHN A RANSOM was the FOURTH son

But if someone can clear up the dilemma I would appreciate it.
Richard and Kiziah were married in 1784 in HALIFAX CO NC....though I have not
actually SEEN the record...I think it's a Bible record...would they risk lying
in God's book??

ROBERT RANSOM was b 12 December 1785
BENJAMIN C RANSOM was b 1787

Do let me know if you can shed any light on the situation, Craig.

Carole
Caroline Burnett Cook

In a message dated 3/2/99 7:21:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<<
I don't know the particulars of this story and someone will set me
straight, I hope. I remember years ago talking with someone at a North
Carolina Genealogical Society meeting and he mentioned that a bunch of
Ransom's changed their name to Poythress or the other way arround, a bunch
of Poythress's changed their name to Ransom (or was it Rankin). And Maynard
complains of senior moments. I'm not old enough, yet.

Craig
>>		03/02/1999 3:40:13
Re: Robert E. Lee Connection Such as it isDiana:

According to my records, I have the good General Robert E. Lee connected this
way........

The Robert E. Lee sage -- Taken from the book "The Lee's of Virginia - Seven
(7) Generations of an American Family" by Paul C. Nagel - Oxford University
Press - 1990 and updated on August 20, 1991, from later findings.

Gen. Lee's father was Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee; his father was Henry
Lee, Jr., his father was Col. Henry Lee (Sr) of Westmoreland and it was Col.
Henry Lee of Westmoreland who married Mary Bland, not Henry Lee, Jr.

So - lets simply say -- General Robert E. Lee's grandparents were Henry Lee,
Jr. (b. 1729 & d. 1787) and Lucy Grymes (b. 1734 & d. 1792). (Henry Lee was
the son of Col. Henry Lee of Westmoreland).

Henry Lee (Jr) had a brother named Richard "Squire" Lee (b. ca 1726 & d.
1795), consequently was General Lee's great-uncle.

The above book tells us: -- Richard, called "Squire" Lee was a bachelor, and
a great party giver. However, when he returned to Lee Hall Plantation
following the Revolutionary War, about 1786, he brought with him his first
wife, "his 16 year old 1st cousin, known for her beauty, Sally Poythress!"
Squire was over 60 years old. She was the granddaughter, and Squire was the
grandson of Richard Bland (b. 3/6/1710 & d. 10/26/1776) and Ann/Anne Poythress
(b. 12/13/1712 & D. 4/ ? /1758) -- (the only daughter and heiress of Peter
Poythress) .

Richard "Squire" and Sally Lee had four (4) lawful children before he died in
1795 at age 69.

It appears that Sally Poythress Lee then married a Willoughby Newton after
Richard's death.

I believe this is what I had figured out form the book "The Lee's of Virginia
- Seven (7) Generations of an American Family," and a very interesting book to
read as I remember.

Is this about what you have worked it out to be?

Take care,

Bud Poythress
4741 Rushing Drive
Wilmington, NC 28409-8969
BPoythress@aol.com		03/02/1999 4:27:19
PORTIS/PORTHRESS namechange to RANSOM Can YOU explain???Charles NealCarole,

I understand from a NC researcher (with whom I corresponded some yrs ago
following a conference) that such acts were fairly commonly used for (1)
adoptions; (2) for problems when 2 or more people had the same name; and
(3) for illegitimacy situations -- when the woman had children out of
wedlock (by whomever), that the children would have her surname until such
time as she married, then the act would change the childrens' surnames.

I had previously seen the index listing to the act for name change, but I
have not yet read the content of the act that changed their name. Do you
have its text? Would appreciate seeing it, if you do.

BPN		03/02/1999 5:47:44
Along The Border - ResourceCharles NealThe book has NO index, but on during a trip one time a few yrs ago, I
scanned every page looking for Poythress. Found not a single mention of
either Poythress or any other family I had any reason to "alert" to (and
BPW, I think I would've also been alert to Wolfe variations, too, at that
point).

BPN
> > >
Off the Mecklenburg wire below. Anyone have this one? Maynard
>>
I have a book titled "Along the Border A history of Virgilina, Virginia and
the Surrounding Area in Halifax and Mecklenburg Counties in Virginia and
Person and Granville Counties in North Carolina" (phew, long title) by Rev.
Harry R. Mathis. c. 1964. I don't know how many editions of this book are
out there (this belonged to my grandfather) but it has about 10 pages of
info
on Bethel Baptist chuch.<<		03/02/1999 5:47:46
FL Military Index infoCharles NealI had wondered where Maynard & Al had come up with the references for the
FL Muster Rolls that Jane recently tracked down for us.

Today I stumbled across the indexes for those FL Muster Rolls in the Indian
Wars online when I was searching for something else, and apparently for
other wars too, in FL.

In case you, too, want to know for future reference where Florida's index
is, it is at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/fl/statewide/military/

and then go down the page to the file names that have "iw" in the middle
(for Indian Wars). There are several files, for different parts of the
alphabet, such as "...iw-a-h" for A thru H or and "iw-i-o" for I thru O
(or whatever).

There appear to also be indexes to other wars' participants there, too.

BPN

03/02/1999 6:33:16
Search Tool for Archived TranscriptsCharles NealSarah,

Thank you so much for earlier today letting me know about the site where
you found the Joyner - Poythress listing. Perhaps I am the last one of our
List to find this Beta test site for searches, but in case someone else
wants to try it,
what Sarah told me to do was to go to:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/htdig/search.html

and there to type in "Poythress" or whatever other name you want to look
for. It came up with a great list of 38 transcriptions of various
documents.

Rootsweb sure does lots of great stuff! I will keep supporting them, that
is for sure.

BPN		03/02/1999 6:33:18
Delzie PoythressTeresa WillisSarah told me today about a message on the archives about a Delzie
Poythress. I went to the archives when I got home to see what it was. The
Delzie mentioned is my grandfather, I have never heard anything about this
piece of tombstone that Lyn mentioned. But knowing my grandfather I would
say it is probably true. This is interesting because when we moved into his
house the old smoke house out back was packed with some of my grandfathers
collection. He was a pack-rat and he picked up all sorts of odd things and
kept them. My grandmother made him put the stuff out in the shed. I do
remember a piece of stone out there that I thought might have been a mill
stone. It never occurred to me that it might have been a tombstone, but now
I wonder.
Also just a note about the Kelly Poythress in the same message...Kelly
Poythress age 26 d. 8-23-1972 Roanoke Rapids Halifax (N.C) this is a
cousin of ours Lyn. You may know this already Lyn, if not, he was killed in
a motorcycle wreck. His brother is the one I mentioned yesterday as being
in Washington state, Steve Poythress.
Went to the South Hill library today. Didn't find much. I found a list of
Revolutionary War soldiers that I did not have..... as follows:

David Poythress
Kerby Poytress
Francis Poythress
Kirby Poythress
Robert Poythress
William Poythress
William Poythress

I assume the 2 Kerby and William entries are the same person, just at
different times.

Teresa		03/02/1999 6:40:37
Robert E. Lee Connection Such as it isDiana C. DiamondThe Poythress marriage Connection to Robert E. Lee

As I understand it, Robert E. Lee was son of Gen. "Lighthorse" Hary Lee, who
was son of Henry Lee Jr and Lucy Grimes. Henry Lee Jr was married to Mary
Bland (b.1712) whose brother was married to Anne Poythress, daughter of
Peter, son of Frances.

Put it another way, Elizabeth Randolph (daughter of William Randolph of
Turkey Island) and Richard Bland had at least three children, Anne Bland,
Richard Bland Jr. and Mary Bland. Mary Bland married Henry Lee and their
grandson was Robert E. Lee. Anne Bland married Edmund Irby, whose daughter
Elizabeth Irby who married William Fitzgerald, and sired Francis Fitzgerald.
Richard Bland JR. married Ann Poythress, daughter of Peter, son of John
Poythress, son of Frances Poythress. William Fitzgerald, mentioned earlier,
was the son of Elizabeth Poythress & John Fitzgerald.

If you are still with me, and I don't have much in the way of documentation,
it would seem Poythresses have several connections, but they are both
somewhat indirect. If you find a more direct link in your searches, I'd be
interested.

There is an even more indirect relationship to Thomas Jefferson through the
Randolphs if any one is interested.

Send me your mail address or fax number and I will send you some printouts
that make this clearer.

Again, authencity is not guaranteed.

Diana		03/02/1999 9:16:11
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Just thought I remembered someone asking once about Huguenots.
sheryl
ps
Maynard did you ever receive my last messages about the Grass Family?

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Series: Huguenots
Subject: Huguenots in South Carolina
Date: March 2, 1999

The Huguenots were French Protestants who found themselves
exiled during the European religious wars, beginning during
the 1680s.

In South Carolina, they settled mostly in the low-country,
that is...Charleston, Jamestown (French Santee), Goose
Creek, Orange Quarter (French Quarter), and St. John's
Berkeley. Charleston contained the major immigrants, with
these areas stemming off from it. In the French Santee,
they spoke French, ultimately learning English as they
inter-married with other cultures.

The low-country of South Carolina was known as the "home of
the Huguenots" in the New World, so, when word of the
storming of the bastille reached them in 1789, they
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Poythress-Dortch ContributionJohn Pyle, a Dortch researcher, recently shared with some of us a wealth
of Dortch family information. For the sake of those on the list who have
not seen it, I am reproducing the part of it most applicable to Poythress
research as follows: (Note: Mecklenburg abbreviated "Mec"; Warren
abbreviated "War")

3 David DORTCH b: Abt 1720 Isle of Wight Co, Va d: Bef May 13, 1782 Va
+Lucy RUSSEL b: Abt 1723 Va m: 1742 d: Bef May 09, 1723
4 John DORTCH b: Abt 1743 Mec Co, Va d: 1810 Mec Co, Va
4 Noah DORTCH b: 1751 Mec Co, Va d: 1781 Mec Co, Va
+Ann LUCAS b: 1761 Va m: 25 Apr 1780
4 Abel DORTCH b: 1755 Mec Co, Va d: 1832 Franklin Co, Ill
+Sally TAYLOR b: 1762 Mec Co, Va m: 24 May 1785 d: 1791 Mec Co,
Va
+Mary HOLMES m: 31 Oct 1793
4 David, Jr. DORTCH b: 1757 Mec Co, Va d: 1825 Mec Co, Va
+Betsy TAYLOR b: 1779 Mec Co, Va m: 30 May 1798 Mec Co, Va d:
1853 Mec Co, Va
4 Hillica DORTCH b: 1758 Mec Co, Va d: 1794
+Nathaniel MOSS b: 1757 Mec Co, Va m: 8 Oct 1777 Mec Co, Va
4 Rebecca DORTCH b: 1759
+David TAYLOR b: 1758 Mec Co, Va m: 8 May 1778 Mec Co, Va.
4 Lucy DORTCH b: 1761 Mec Co, Va
Iverson RYLAND b: 1759 Mec Co, Va m: 22 Feb 1784 Mec Co, Va.
4 Young DORTCH b: 1764-1775 Mec Co, Va d: 1846 Orange Co, NC
+Nancy Woods m: 28 Aug 1799
4 William DORTCH b: 1747 or 1768 Mec Co, Va d: 1833 Bourbon Co, Ky
+Susanna Anne BURTON b: 1759 Mec Co, Va m: 27 Sep 1793 Mec Co, Va
d: 1833 Ky
4 Jesse Lewis DORTCH b: 1745 or 1770 Mec Co, Va d: ? in Tenn
+Ora SAUNDERS b: Abt 1747 Mec Co, Va m: 24 Jan 1792
4 Lewis DORTCH b: 1744 or 1771 Mec Co, Va d: 1850 Franklin Co, Ga
+Mary SPEED b: 1746 Va m: 2 Jan 1796 Mec Co., Va d: 1855
Franklin Co, Ga
4 Newman DORTCH b: Abt 1775 Mec Co, Va d: Abt 1835 Mec Co, Va
+Sarah SPEED b: Abt 1779 in Mec Co, Va m: 29 Mar 1800
5 James David DORTCH b: Abt 1800 Mec Co, Va
+Nancy Ann DORTCH b: 1801 m: December 09, 1824
5 Lucy Russell DORTCH b: 1801 Mec Co, Va
+James M TUCKER m: October 20, 1824
5 Mary Speed DORTCH b: Abt 1808
+David POYTHRESS m: December 17, 1827 Mec Co, Va
5 Dortch b: 1810-1820
5 Dortch b: 1810-1820
5 William Archer DORTCH b: Abt 1818 Ridgeway, War Co, NC d: Abt
1850
+Sarah G POYTHRESS b: Abt 1824 Ridgeway, War Co, NC m: Abt
1845 War Co, NC
5 Sarah/Sally DORTCH b: Abt 1820
+David POYTHRESS m: March 15, 1838 War Co, NC

Just a reminder, the Sarah POYTHRESS and David POYTHRESS shown here are
candidate children of Lewis POYTHRESS of Mecklenburg Co, an ever-popular
topic for some of us listers. John cites World Family Tree #1448 as his
source of much of the information.

Several interesting points emerge on inspection:
1) The John DORTCH (b. 1743) could well be the same person who witnessed
the 1802 marriage of Lewis POYTHRESS to Rebecca TAYLOR (Mecklenburg Co,
Va).
2) Three of the supposed siblings of Newman DORTCH married TAYLORs, two
of whom, Sally and Betsy, are noted as being children of Goodwin TAYLOR.
See my message of 10/21/98 "Poythress-Nance-Drumright-Taylor-Poythress?".
3) Newman DORTCH and supposed brother Lewis married SPEEDs.
4) The ages of "generation 4" siblings vary by 32 years. It is highly
unlikely they share the same mother. The WFT submitter would have us
understand that between the ages of 20 and 52 Lucy bore 12 children -
possible, but not what I would consider the best assumption from which to
start.
5) In the absence of sources, it can be speculated that these 12 persons
actually represent two generations. As an example, it would not be
unreasonable to discover that John DORTCH is actually the father of
Young, William, Jesse Lewis, Lewis and Newman. In this case John would
be fathering them between the ages of 21 and 32.

In spite of the possible inaccuracies, this WFT #1448 information
provides a valuable hypothesis to explore and we are much indebted to
John for this contribution.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Helpful Search TableGreat questions. These text emails are never pretty sights. I've found
I should never try to use spaces to align, but rather keep everything on
the far left, separating with new lines. Also, I never cut and paste
from a formatted document (e.g. RTF, DOC) without first changing it to
text-only fixed-pitch (e.g. Courier) to iron out the bugs. Regarding
your work on early land patents, I think all of us would be very
interested in what you find and compile. Regarding the Batte index,
there is the subset in my Excel spreadsheet which is very fast to search
and the complete LVA online version which searches at glacial speed; of
others I am not aware. -lpb

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:10:47 -0500 Kenneth Larsen
writes:
>Thanks Lyn.
>I was doing that one about 1-2 A.M and goofed.
>My new one has your correction.
>My biggest concern is how to get the e-mail not to break apart as it
>does.
>Any suggestions?
>I am working on putting together early patents and grants, having
>worked
>from the VA library
> records. Do you thoink this would be of some use?
>Also, while I have your ear, has anyone ever transcribed the Richard
>Bolling Batte index onto a
> index with a faster search feature?
>Again, thanks. (At least one person read it)
>Ken
>

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Craig & others,

I seem to remember the same, some Poythress boys mother remarried and they
took their step-fathers name Ransome. Or something like that. Jean Spille,
this might have been somewhere in our area of Northampton???

BGP (Bruce Porter)

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Re:PORTHRESS?RANSOM namechange...NC RECORDS lookup??Barb,

I do not have the full text of the NC State Records. Didn't even try to get
it because it did not affect my line from JOHN A. RANSOM....only ROBERT and
BENJAMIN were concerned. I would have pursued it but I don't live in NC (I
live in Newark, Delaware) but maybe some very nice NORTH CAROLINIAN on the
list could look up the reference. If they need me to send the reference #s to
them I would be glad to do so. I would definitey be interested, as you are.

Thanks in advance,

Carole

In a message dated 3/3/99 5:22:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<<
I had previously seen the index listing to the act for name change, but I
have not yet read the content of the act that changed their name. Do you
have its text? Would appreciate seeing it, if you do.

BPN
>>		03/03/1999 2:36:16
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V99 #56In a message dated 3/3/99 5:22:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<<
Craig,

Is it possible you are thinking of the facts in regard to the first two
sons of my ancestor CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM (1752-1827) Isle of Wight Co,
Va>Halifax Co, NC>Williamson Co, Tn. who married KESIAH/KIZIAH PORTIS
daughter
of JOHN PORTIS/PORTHRESS??

In my search to find KIZIAH's parents, I ran across a NC state record of a
court action to change the names of ROBERT PORTIS and BENJAMIN C PORTIS to
RANSOM. The act was put forth by CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM and the two boys. I
never have understood this at all because I THINK (now that I have found the
PORTIS family) that they could not have been children of KIZIAH's brother
who
died. The alternative seemed to be that K and R had not married until after
Benjamin (the second son) was born and R. had to "adopt" his own sons.
However, their marriage record says K & R were married before the two sons
were born.....hmmm.

The main thing(FOR POYTHRESS PURPOSES) is that the court record spelled it
PORTHRESS ...and this is not the only time I have seen a close variation.

Index to the NC State Records: p 399: REF. to

RANSOM, ROBERT- An Act to change name from PORTHRESS; vol. 24 pg 939

Also under ROBERT PORTHRESS: a Bill to Change Name - Voil.20;
pp155,159,179,190,191,339,357,366,377.

And under BENJAMIN C.RANSOM - pg 398 Act to Change Name from PORTHRESS vol
24,
p 939 (and several repeats of thepp from Vol 20 above in re: to his brother
ROBERT.)

The NAME CHANGE BILL itself is in Vol 20. The Bill was brought by RICHARD
RANSOM, ROBERT PORTHRESS AND BENJAMIN C. PORTHRESS.

(these refs first showed us where to look for the PORTIS/PORTHRESS
family...their roots were apparently in FRANKLIN CO, NC)

Now you POYTHRESSES will have to admit that my Kiziah was probably a
POYTHRESS, hm? If anyone can explain this kind of act to me I would
appreciate
it...forget the embarassment. My acnestor, JOHN A RANSOM was the FOURTH
son

But if someone can clear up the dilemma I would appreciate it.
Richard and Kiziah were married in 1784 in HALIFAX CO NC....though I have not
actually SEEN the record...I think it's a Bible record...would they risk
lying
in God's book??

ROBERT RANSOM was b 12 December 1785
BENJAMIN C RANSOM was b 1787

Do let me know if you can shed any light on the situation, Craig.

Carole
Caroline Burnett Cook

In a message dated 3/2/99 7:21:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, POYTHRESS-D-
request@rootsweb.com writes:

<<
I don't know the particulars of this story and someone will set me
straight, I hope. I remember years ago talking with someone at a North
Carolina Genealogical Society meeting and he mentioned that a bunch of
Ransom's changed their name to Poythress or the other way arround, a bunch
of Poythress's changed their name to Ransom (or was it Rankin). And Maynard
complains of senior moments. I'm not old enough, yet.

Craig
>>

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Carole,

I understand from a NC researcher (with whom I corresponded some yrs ago
following a conference) that such acts were fairly commonly used for (1)
adoptions; (2) for problems when 2 or more people had the same name; and
(3) for illegitimacy situations -- when the woman had children out of
wedlock (by whomever), that the children would have her surname until such
time as she married, then the act would change the childrens' surnames.

I had previously seen the index listing to the act for name change, but I
have not yet read the content of the act that changed their name. Do you
have its text? Would appreciate seeing it, if you do.

BPN

______________________ >>		03/03/1999 2:36:20
LDS UpdateAs the director of a LDS Family History Center, I have received a notice from
Salt Lake LDS FHL, announcing the Beta testing of Family Search on line. It
is not yet up, a problem with a piece of equipment, but will be starting
sometimes this month and will be up only a few weeks as a test run.

If there is not a lot of interest it will be taken off and not put back on. So
spread the word and keep trying to get through. When it comes on line the URL
will be:

http://www.familysearch.org

I have not been told exactly what will be available but know at least the
Ancestral File and Family History Library Catalog will be included.

Family Search is the name of the program we have on CDs in all LDS FHCs. Some
public libraries also have this program. FS includes the IGI, Ancestral File,
Family History Library Catalog, Social Security Death Records, Koran and
Vietnam war death records, and Scottish Church Records.

For those of you not familiar with the various searches, the IGI is the
International Genealogical Index. It includes, in alphabetical order, all of
the names that have been sent to the Temples to have ordinances performed in
their name.

Names in the IGI are usually submitted by members, but not always. Non-members
also submit their family names to get them into the IGI. Some of the marriages
may have been part of extraction programs. The names were taken from
courthouse records and checked and rechecked by several volunteers before
being accepted as correct.

Most people do try to send in accurate information but there are many
mistakes. My advice is, always check the original source. Use the IGI to find
where people with your surname would have lived and order the census and court
records from that area.

Ancestral File is Gedcoms of group and pedigree sheets sent in by members and
non-members. The name and address of the submitter is included and hopefully
will allow you to contact others working on your line. If the address is out
of date sometimes a letter to the Membership dept. in Salt Lake will get you a
correct address if the person was a member of the LDS church.

Once again, the material is only as good as the research that went into it and
some of it is pretty bad. Check it out before you 'adopt' it.

If you find a mistake on Ancestral File, you can send in your corrections,
along with your sources of proof, and it will be noted in the next update. The
first submitter does not have to provide proof, but you do, if you are making
a correction. You can add additions to a file, or submit a new file. You do
not have to be a member to submit material.

The Family History Library Catalog is a listing of every book, film and fiche
available at the Salt Lake City LDS Family History Library. This allows us to
find what is available for each locality, world-wide. It includes the FHL call
numbers and a description of what is included in the film/fiche or book.

The material from the books and film/fiche will not be on line. That is not
something they can do, at this time. Hopefully it will be a possibility some
time in the distant future.

The film and fiche will still have to be ordered through FHC. Microfilm and
microfiche are the property of the FHL and are sent into the care of the LDS
FHC director and must remain under her/his care until returned. For this
reason they are never allowed to be taken from the LDS FHC.

Almost all of the microfilm and microfiche at the LDS Family History Library
in Salt Lake City can be ordered into any LDS FHL, anywhere in the world, but
there are a few exceptions. Copyright laws prevent them from using material
without the written consent of the owner. Some of the film and fiche where
filmed by companies other than the LDS Church and permission to circulate
these film to LDS FHCs has been denied. There will be a notice included in the
description, saying it can not be circulated. Many of the SC microfilm where
made by a company who has refused permission to allow the film to be
circulated, but there are many microfilm available for SC, some covering the
same material that is on the restricted film.

The LDS FHL is a non-profit organization, and that is why it still cost only
15 cents a sheet for a microfiche, $3.25 plus tax to rent a microfilm for a
month [may be more in other countries] and the SourceGuide and other home use
programs are sold at such a reasonable price. We aren't allowed to make a
profit, even in the FHCs.

The books that are listed are not loaned out but can sometimes be obtained
through an Inter-library loan through your public library. You can request
copies of pages and if a book is indexed, by ordering the index you can see if
your people would have been listed. In cases where the copyright has expired
the book may have been filmed or can be filmed upon request. Never hurts to
ask.		03/03/1999 5:05:31
3-3-99 Frankie PoythressCharles NealDebbie Freeman,

Thank you so much for forwarding to the list on 3-1-99 the copy of Preston
Neal Poythress' response to you. I'm so glad he gave his Mom's email
address. Great that she is on email.

I know a good bit about their line of Poythresses -- part of the James
Speed Poythress line.

If you haven't already emailed her (or written her), I would be glad to do
so. Just let me know.

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)		03/03/1999 7:05:24
Re: Jim Poythress et. al.Teresa, thanks for the explanation of the rock. The site I'm picturing
is where the river road crosses Pea Hill Creek, where Delbridge's Marina
used to be. Is that correct? In 1910 Jim and Lucy Poythress were living
in the Brodnax area next door to Jim's daughter, Susie Davis. Lucy died
in 1912 and Jim remarried Cornelia Lynch in 1914. By 1920 Jim and
Cornelia were living in Gasburg next door to his brother Jack and also
next door to his sister Bet (Elizabeth Poythress Mills). Maybe Cornelia
was from the Gasburg area; I do not know. Maybe she was related to
Jack's wife, Martha, also a Lynch. Jim died in 1929, Jack in 1936.
Mother, who was born in 1920, has only one recollection of her
Grandfather Poythress. While visiting her Uncle Frank sometime after her
own father had died (1926), she was called to a window by her Aunt Nina,
Frank's wife, who pointed out an elderly man walking down the sidewalk
and said, "Look, there goes your grandfather, Jim Poythress." Mother
also has one recollection of her Grand-aunt Elizabeth. As a child she
recalls an elderly woman, visiting in their home in Brodnax, sitting and
quilting, whom her father addressed as "Aunt Bet". I recall Mother
speaking of Uncle Frank's regular visits in later years to check in on
Cornelia and Martha, whom he called "Aunt Mog". Although Uncle Frank
resided in Brodnax, he owned and operated the Gasburg Gin Company for
many years, so he had lots of reason to be in the Gasburg area. The
Gasburg gin was one of several he owned, along with maybe some farms in
that part of the county and his fertilizer distributorship as well. Jack
and Martha are buried at Olive Branch Methodist Church in Gasburg. I do
not know where Cornelia is buried. Jim's remains were returned to
Brodnax and rest beside those of his first wife, Lucy, in the
Poythress-Davis cemetery. Their sons Fletcher and Benjamin are also
buried there.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Just a little infoCharles NealTeresa,

Thanks so much for passing on the results of your talking with your Aunt,
and especially for asking about the name of "Algie." Maybe he will have
more info himself about who he was named for.

I was curious about: >She told me a few more things about family members
that are still living. One of the cousins lives in Washington state. And
one cousin that was a minister in Texas still has some family there.
That's about it from her.<

Are these cousins who are on the Poythress side of the family? If so, I
would appreciate knowing the name of the cousin who was a minister in
Texas, if you know the name.

Thanks,
BPN

03/03/1999 10:20:40
WFT & source informationCharles NealLyn,

Re questions such as: "Are there any sources recorded in World Family Tree
#1448? and Is there any way to get more information on the research
contained in WFT1448, as, for example, the name of the researcher and/or
where the
original research is reposited?"

The following info may be of help, since the WFT series of CDs is put out
by the Family Tree Maker portion of Broderbund.
According to a message today on the Southside VA List, referring (in an
unrelated posting) to the computer resources available at all the branch
Family History Libraries (your closest one can be found by calling the
nearest Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, from the white
pages of the phone book):

"The main files are the Ancestral File, the International Genealogical
Index, and the Family History Library Catalogue.
The Ancestral File is basically no different than the disks sold by Family
Tree Maker containing ancestor charts. The info on these charts can be
submitted by anyone whether or not they are a member of the church.

The International Genealogical Index information can only be submitted by
members. It consists of Individual data that lists
birthdates, place of birth and parents. There is a marriage index that
gives date and place of marriage. And lastly a parent index which lists all
children in a particular family. The info is obviously only as good as the
person who submitted it to the file. We tell people to use the data as a
starting point only and NOT to take it as the absolute proof. When anything
is
submitted to ancestral file, you can automatically find out who submitted
it by hitting a source key. The submitter's name and address will be shown.
The same is not true for the IGI. You need to order the microfilm in order
to find out
who the submitter was."

BPN		03/03/1999 10:20:50
The Lees and the PoythressesDiana C. DiamondBud

Thanks for your factual information about the Lees. It does match more or
less my information (confused in the translation) from a woodcut print
(some cousin made up years ago) that tries to show the family as part of a
great American tree, probably an oak. It fills in some gaps, and it's always
nice to have a scholarly source. The "Squire" and Sally Poythress is the
reminder that some of those acorns are probably nuts, or to mix metaphors,
some of the wood is knotty or rotting or whatever.

I am sending you two printouts via snail mail that show three Poythresses,
now Sally, whom I had forgotten (she was mentioned on the list earlier, I
seem to recall), and their marriage connection to the Lees.

Diana

03/03/1999 10:21:52
GrassSheryl......great job digging out those addresses for the Grass survivors. My
inclination is to ignore Mr. Grass' nephews in Michigan....it's a million to
one they aren't going to have anything.

I am inclined to write Mrs. Grass' brother Larry in Austin since she was also
survived by a nephew and niece of her brother's family and they are all right
there in Austin, no doubt the nephew and niece a son and daughter of her
brother Larry.

If Larry doesn't have a clue and if there is nothing in any of the OK
archives, and what you have found (or not found) so far certainly indicates
that OK archives is not likely to pan out......then I say we just call it
quits.

I will say I'm a little bit surprised that there is no evidence of Poythress
material in what little you have seen so far. Maybe the Dragon Lady
custodian really did throw "all that old stuff" away.

Gee, it was almost worth all the trouble (especially since it was YOUR
trouble) to read the facinating obits for Mr. & Mrs. Grass......we're talking
a couple of renaissance people here. There wasn't much either of those two
missed in the 80+ years of life each had.

What do you think about my writing the brother with SASE and letting it go at
that?

Maynard		03/03/1999 10:46:03
Lawrence Evans & Francis PoythressCharles NealOn the Poythress website under the "17th Century" references portion, are
several mentions of Lawrence Evans, including the fact that in 1638/9 Evans
sued Francis Poyethres [sic] (Evans lost, by the way), and an earlier 1637
reference discussing what apparently led to the suit. This earlier
reference is either the earliest or one of the earliest mentions of Francis
Poythress being over here in America. That earlier reference shows that
Lawrence Evans was a British merchant (who I had always assumed was in
London, though now I cannot find anything that would have led me to that
conclusion). Evans had in 1636 "sent to Virginia" goods worth 2,000 pounds
in 3 ships (the Rebecca, the George, & the Hopewell). One of Evans'
factors died during the journey and "his other factor Francis Poetres
returned a bill of only 150 pounds."

I have long been familiar, in general, with those references. However, it
had never occurred to me that Lawrence Evans was ever here in America.
Thus I was surprised to recently run across two references to him, or to
men having the same name. I thought some of you might be interested to
know about these references, too. If so, read on:

The most recently received issue of __The Virginia Genealogist__, Vol 42,
No.4, Oct-Dec 1998, pp.272-280 contains "The Passenger List of the James of
1622" an article written by William Thorndale of Salt Lake City, UT, in
which he discusses and then publishes (with the permission of the Master
and Fellows of Magdalene College, Cambridge, who he notes hold the
copyright) the surviving passenger list of the 1622 "James" of London. He
states that the list survives among the Ferrar Papers at Cambridge Univ in
England.

Page 277 of the article shows that "Larraunce Evans" was among the
passengers who left on the "James" bound for Virginia "the last of July
1622." [Thorndale noted earlier in the article that "not all these
passengers necessarily arrived in Virginia" and that some could have only
gone as far as Bermuda.]

Evans was one of 5 named males (Isaack Chapline, John Bryan, John Chapline,
Larraunce Evans, Moyses Hedley) who comprised a group of the passengers
whose passage was paid for by "Isaack Chaplin Anncyent [ensign]" -- i.e.
Isaack Chaplin, who was an ensign.

By Evans' name, Thorndale has a footnote number. By following the
information in it & the earlier info regarding the 2 source citations in
the footnote, one learns that Lawrence Evans also appears in:

__The Original Lists of Persons of Quality ... Who Went from Great Britain
to the American Plantations, 1600-1700__ by John Camden Hotten (1874;
reprint, New York, 1931) Lawrence Evans specifically appears on p.171 of
the book, in Hotten's listing of the 1624 Census taken in the Colony,
showing that Evans was living at Jordans Journey.

__Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, 1607-1624/5__ by John
Frederick Dorman (3rd ed, Richmond, 1987). Laurance Evans specifically
appears on p.20 of the book, in the listing of the Census taken
January-February 1625. He is shown there as "15" (his age, I presume) and
as having arrived on the "James" in 1622, and as living at Jordans Journey.
[Note: while I have previously seen this book, at the time I did not look
at that census]

The second place I recently saw Evans name was online, at

which lists (as does the Hotten book above) the 1624 Census. This version
of the Census was compiled by Paul R. Sarrett, Jr., giving as the source
"AAI - CD ROM #136, December 1994 Edition" and was uploaded 2 Dec 1995.
He lists 1,033 "Early Virginia Pioneers" and lists their "County/Parish."

Sarrett lists his name as "Lawrance Evans" and his location as "Jordans
Forney" (Jordans Journey). At the beginning of the Census listing he
lists the various locations (Counties/Parishes, he calls them). He shows
in that list that this location had 20 of those 1,033 persons. While
there were additional Evans listings, none of the others were at the same
place. No age or any other info is given.

At this online listing, there are no "P" names that resemble any possible
spelling of Poythress, unless John Pontes could be considered in that
catagory.

BPN		03/04/1999 4:52:07
Re: Jim Poythress et. al.Charles NealLyn,

Thank you so much for sharing all the memories of your Mom along with the
factual info! What a treasure, to help put some life in the names of those
now gone.

BPN

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Wife: "Yes, I would like some ice cream."

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Wife: "But I also want strawberries on my ice cream.
Write it down"

Husband: "I can remember ice cream with strawberries."

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Legal Mumbo Jumbo Right Here in River CityAl has a number of Screven County Deeds & Mortgages which he will be posting
to the page soon. I may have foreseen a non-existant problem but the full
text of these things gobbles a lot of space so Al is working on a softwear fix
that will zip these and they will (in theory anyway) un-zip and "flower" open
when the button for the "topic" is clicked. These will be appearing soon.

There was a legal term appearing on virtually all of the deeds which involved
forced sales by a sheriff.....I read it and transcribed it to be "fine facies"
which was incorrect and I had guessed that to begin with. I looked it up in
several dictionaries which still didn't reveal a clue.

I resorted to getting free "counsel" from a lawyer buddy in Georgia in
exchange for all of my Scots drinking (as opposed to "snake-bite") whiskey
that he had drunk over the years. The investment returned a meager dividend
but a dividend nonetheless:

>>>>>>
fieri facias, -cause it to be done- at common law a writ commanding
the sheriff that he cause satisfaction of a judgement for debt or
damages. In Georgia, and most other places, it is issued pursuant to
a judgement, and it orders the Sheriff to seize possessions of the
defendant to be sold to satisfy the judgement. Often noted as a fi. fa.
<<<<<

Ah, what satisfaction.....my "factoid fix" for the day.

Maynard

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This is a post from the Mecklenburg, VA site. BPN and Lyn, especially, note
the reference to Henry SPEED and Benjamin STANLY.

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In a long-deleted message, someone asked for information about the above
churches. Hope this helps answer some of the questions. Annette Elam
Wetzel

from "Life By the Roaring Roanoke" by Susan L. Bracey, Mecklenburg County
Board of Supervisors, c. 1977, pgs. 97-100:

Both before and after the Revolution a great religious revival, commonly
called the Great Awakening, occurred in most sections of
Virginia....although the Presbyterian revival in the state had begun
first elsewhere, it would appear that they were preceded into this county
by the Baptists.
Around 1756 William Murphy and Philip Mulkey had begun preaching the
Gospel and Baptist doctrine in the area of Bluestone Creek...enough
people were converted to form a congregation in 1758 or 1759. Among the
members of the Bluestone Meeting-house were a considerable number of
slaves from the nearby estate of Col. William Byrd. When this plantation
was broken up, these slaves were widely scattered. Although greatly
reduced by the loss of this membership, Bluestone managed to survive.
Then, in the early 1770's, the Baptists, having become numerous in
Lunenburg County, formed the Meherrin Church there, and in November 1771,
it was constituted as a church. Influenced by this Church, the Bluestone
congregation revived and obtained John Marshall as a preacher. In
December 1772, Bluestone itself became a church. The original building
was located "on a beautiful eminence on Big Bluestone Creek, about three
miles from Abbyville on Staunton River, and two from Charlotte line." In
October 1806, Henry Speed deeded to Thomas Norment and William
Pettus,deacons of the Baptist Bluestone Church, the half acre on the west
side of Bluestone Creek, on which the church then stood.
It is generally believed that around this date, the congregation of
Bluestone moved to another site and subsequently changed its name to
Bethel. On the other hand, Bluestone Baptist Church, as a congregation,
continued at least as late as 1860. On April 23, 1860, Andrew B. and
Martha Gregory deeded to Cornelius D. Gregory, William Smith, and Hilliry
G. Burton, trustees of Bluestone Baptist Church, one acre on the south
side of the Boydton Road (that is, the road from Christiansville (present
Chase City) to Boydton) for the church. No indication of the church's
having been rebuilt here appears on the maps of 1864 or 1936.
Bethel Church had begun as a "Republican Meeting-house;" that is, one
that was open for interdenominational use. In October 1803, Thomas
Norment had sold for one dollar to its trustees the acre on which Bethel
apparently then stood. In time, having been taken over by Bluestone,
Bethel became Baptist. It is located near the headwaters of Irby's Branch
and Woodpecker Creek to the east of Rt. 609.
>From Bethel, other churches developed: Gilgal (c. 1800-1810),
Clarksville (1833), Antioch (1834), Bethlehem (1840), Liberty (c. 1846),
New Hope (1874), Wylliesburg (1883), and Chase City (1884). Fields
Methodist Church is also said to be an off-spring. Bethel Church is still
in use.
Perhaps Bethel's best claim-to-fame is the fact that Edward L. Baptist,
who organized the Virginia Baptist Education Society, the predecessor of
the University of Richmond, was baptized there in 1810.
Gilgal Church began as a small church built by the citizens around
present Finchley for use by both Methodists and Baptists. This first
church was probably built between 1800 and 1810 on present Rt. 703. A
newer and larger church was raised in 1844, after the Baptists had taken
over Gilgal. Later the name of the church was changed to Liberty Baptist
Church. Liberty Baptist Church is still in existence, on the same
property on
which the 1844 Gilgal Church had been built, on present Rt. 677. This
property had been deeded to Gilgal in 1845 by Richard E. and Martha
Walker. The first trustees in the newly-named Liberty Church were James
H. Jeffress, Richard Wootton, and Jordan Mason. The present church
building was erected in late 1887 and early 1888.
Soon after his conversion, about 1770, John Williams, a former sheriff of
Lunenburg, began preaching "in a destitute neighborhood of Mecklenburg
County."...Williams continued at Allen's Creek Meeting-house for many
years. He was succeeded by William Creath who served there for ten or
twelve years. Under his leadership, membership increased, and in 1791,
Allen's Creek Meeting-house was constituted. The exact location of it is
unknown.
While serving Allen's Creek Church, Creath was requested to help with the
formation of another congregation, which in 1799 became a church called
Wilson's. The location of this too is unknown.
In the eastern part of the county stood Malone's or Genito Creek
Meeting-house, which had been erected about 1769 and was constituted in
1773. Situated on top of a gently slope about a hundred yards north of
Genito Creek, the church and its two acres were in 1844 sold for one
dollar by James Crickton to James Delk, James Apperson, William Walker,
Samuel Bennett, James J. Sledge, Cevetus Creth, Turner Saunders, and
Benjamin Stanly...
Through the work of the Reverend James Read, a society called Buffalo was
formed, on or near Buffalo Creek, west of present Clarksville. This
society had begun as a branch of Grassy Creek Church, Granville County,
NC. The original Buffalo Creek building, erected in 1778, was of log
construction. In 1825, a new church was built a short distance from the
old....
Williams was an active preacher who kept a journal. On Sunday, June 9,
1771, he and Brother Haily preached to nearly five hundred people at
Captain Reuben Vaughan's. The following month, on the was to a "great
meeting" at the Grassy Creek Meeting-house (just across the line in North
Carolina), Williams and Brother Elijah Baker stopped for the day at the
meeting-house of Brother John Marshall, somewhere in the vicinity of
Butchers or Bluestone Creeks....
In 1788 the Roanoke Association was formed from the Middle District
Association of the Baptist Church. This Association met at Bluestone in
1794, at Buffalo in 1796 and 1802, and at Allen's Creek in 1799.

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Mr. Patterson/Mrs. GrassCliff TownsendMaynard,
Thank you for writing such a wonderful letter. I hope it does find its
way to her brother and he too appreciates it. And of course, all her
work is not lost.

Let us know just as soon as you receive word from Mr. Patterson.

Thanks,
sheryl

03/07/1999 6:53:29
Mrs. GrassBelow is one last shot at the Grass family to see if we can turn up Mrs.
Grass' work. Mr. Patterson is her surviving brother and he is something of a
shot in the dark as a possibility of locating Mrs. Grass' papers. Thanks to
Sheryl for keeping this ball in the air long after I was willing to give up.
Cross your fingers.

Best,

Maynard

>>>>

March 7, 1999

Mr. L. E. Patterson
9812 Woodshire
Austin, Texas 78748

Dear Mr. Patterson:

Please let me introduce myself. I am John Poythress and I am writing on
behalf of a Poythress genealogical research group which is actively
researching the genealogy of the Poythress family. We have 80 members and do
all of this over the internet. If you have access to the internet and would
like to visit our work the address is: http://www1.minn.net/atims

I have long been aware of the extensive research your late sister did with
respect to our family.but frankly, I was never able to make the connection.
I began talking to Mr. Grass after your sister's infirmity was well along.
Mr. Grass was quite kind and engaging in our telephone conversations. From
him I learned that your sister's genealogy work on our family was extensive.
He regaled me with some wonderful stories about how he preferred to sit in a
hot automobile outside a Georgia courthouse in the summer rather than join his
wife in the same amount of heat but handling dusty old boxes inside the
courthouse.

My interest was in obtaining photocopies of your sister's work for a couple of
reasons.First, I selfishly wanted to add to our own store of information about
our family. Second, I felt it was a shame that if your sister had done all
this work that it was not housed in some reputable archival library where it
would be both productive and something of a tribute to her extensive efforts.

Mr. Grass was willing to have the copies made while I was (and still am)
pleased to reimburse any associated expense. Mr. Grass was concerned that
much of his wife's Poythress material was disorganized (virtually all
genealogists share that problem) but was pleased that our group would think it
an honor to pull it together as best we were able and submit it to archival
libraries with full attribution to her. We are only interested in the
"information".

Alas, the scenario above was not to be. Mr. Grass himself was in failing
health and the lady working for your sister and him was understandably not
interested in undertaking any "project" in addition to her other
responsibilities. She indicated to me, somewhat unconvincingly, that she had
burned all "of those old papers".

Mr. Patterson, I got your address through the obituaries in The Daily
Oklahoman. I thought I would take one last shot on the hopes that maybe you
had a "pack rat" person in your family who might have gathered up those papers
and put them away in a box somewhere. Even more important was the hope that
you would be willing to share them with me on whatever terms are most
convenient to you.assuming of course, that the papers even still exist.

Would you please respond in whatever way is most convenient to you? Enclosed
is a self-addressed and stamped envelope. Or, you may call me collect at
502-425-4361 and my e-mail address is vkratliff@aol.com

Mr. Patterson, I will apologize in advance if you feel that this letter is an
intrusion on the privacy of your family. However, I assure you our intentions
are forthright and sincere in the matter of only wanting access to historical
family records that may otherwise be lost forever. We would be deeply
appreciative if you are able and willing to help us.

Sincerely,

John M. Poythress

Enc.		03/07/1999 8:57:05
Sinsiss Taykurs>Subject: "SINSISS TAYKURS"
>
>A small explanation about why the census don't exactly spell your
>surname properly:
>
>"I am a census taker for the City of Bufflow. Our city has groan very
>fast in resent years and now in 1865, it has become a hard and time
>consuming job to count all the peephill. There is not many that can
do
>this work, as it is necessarie to have an ejucashun, wich a lot of
>person still do not have.
>
>Ahnuther atribert needed for this job is good speling for many of the
>peephill to be counted can harle speak inglish, let alon spel there
>names."		03/07/1999 9:08:23
PoythressTeresa WillisSorry it's been so long getting back about some of the entries I made. I
went back the Lawrenceville library this week. Here the whole entry I
found on John Wall:

Will Book 2

Account 1740 for the estate of Joseph Turner dec'd Amounts paid to:

Rev John Betty
Doctor Brown
Edward Buckston
James Douglass

Lewis Dupree
Francis Exridge
Peter Fairfax
Francis Harris
Col. Benjamin Harrison
Charles Hicks
Doctor Irby
John Mondall
Thomas Peirce
Benjamin Person
Mr John Peterson
Thomas Reves
Charles Travers
James Turner SR
Simon Turner
Joseph Wright
Other amounts were paid to Lewis Dupree, James Lundy & James Haley for
appraising the estate; to Frans Poythres excr of John Fitzgerrald;to the
excrs of William Kinchin; & to Bradley & Griffin Merchants in London.
Audited by John Wall & Michael Wall, who indicated that they had settled an
account of Edward Green & his wife Burchet's administration of the estate of
Joseph Turner dec'd.
Returned to court 2 Oct 1740.

Lyn you had several questions about the last entries I listed from
Brunswick:

1) The date of the will of James Upchurch dated 24 Jun 1784 Wit. George
Walton, Meredith Poythress, James Fips

2) Deed book 2 pg. 639 Order to William Poythress, Hugh Williams & Samuel
Gordon of Prince George Co to examine Rachel the wife of Thomas Williams of
sd Prince George Co in a deed dated 1 Dec last from sd Williams to LeRoy
Griffin of Richmond Co for 521 acres.

3) Joining John Poythress land to Lanier Brewer deed book 5 pg. 519

4) reference to Wm Poythress sher. deed book 5 pg. 686

5) Joshua Pothress Jr witness on John Edmundson...deed book 10 pg.84

Births from the Bristol Parish Register of Henrico, Prince George and
Dinwiddie ( Poythress entries 6):

A negro belonging to Mr. Wm Poythers born 1st of August 1724

Anne Isham Dat of Wm and Sarah Poythris born 9th Apr bapt 5th June 1726

Wm Son of Wm and Sarah poythres born 14 th March 1727 bapt 26th may 1728

Eliza D of francis and hannah Poythris Born 1st feb 1729 Bapt 8th aprill
1730

Sarah D of William and Sarah poythris Born 7th august 1731 Bapt 7th octbr

Mary Dau' of William Poythress & Mary his wife, born Septr 24 & bap. Nov 7
1793

Brunswick Order 1732-1737

William and Francis Poythriss are mentioned 17 times most of the entries
list them together as plt against...5 of the entries make reference to them
being exors of John Fitzgerald...others are pet. agst various people for
certain amounts of money....and there are 2 entries of them being paid by
the county for services I assume, there is a long list of names and a few
have the service they were paid for. If anyone wants me to lists some to
these cases let me know.

I have quite a bit more to send, but will have to do it later.

Teresa		03/08/1999 2:02:18
Robert Ragan's Treasure MapsI am posting this since we have a group of members who are not only new
members to the list but in whom the genealogy bug has not yet fully begun to
metastasize.

There is a neat and mildly eccentric fellow down in Jacksonville who publishs
an on-line monthly genealogy newsletter called "Treasure Maps". Typically
each issue has 5 or 6 excellent articles on "how to do such and such MOST
EFFECTIVELY in genealogy".....the gentleman is a treasure in and of himself.
>From time to time he gently hawks a modestly price book that he has written
and a series of on-line genealogy lessons called "the Genealogy Guerrilla".
Most of his instructional stuff is keyed to doing genealogy "on-line". I
have never bought his books but am told by others that they are well worth the
money.

Best of all Mr. Ragan sends his newsletter out free.....or almost. To
subscribe, he asks that one write him and make a one time "contribution" of
any amount of money.....as little as $1 but no more than $200 (hah!) to help
him defray costs. I think I sent him ten bucks and that was about three years
ago. I have gotten information "dividends" worth ten times that much.

"Contributions" should be sent to:

Mr. Robert Ragan
Ragan's Treasure Maps
P. O. Box 551323
Jacksonville, Florida 32255-1323...........and send him your e-mail address
with a request and he will sign you right up.

I highly recommend this. Hope it helps others as it has helped me.

Maynard		03/08/1999 3:55:23
NGS Library as a ResourceCharles NealFolks,

Having recently received questions from two of you about two different
books, it seems appropriate to let those of you who don't know of this
wonderful resource already, know about it. It is especially helpful for
folks living far from any Library with a good genealogy section.

The NGS (National Genealogical Society) Library, located in Arlington, VA,
has MANY, MANY genealogical books. Members can charge out books from their
Library, and can even charge out the books BY MAIL from afar for several
weeks. This gives one plenty of time to go thru the book & to copy what
the book has that is pertinent for their own research.

The full NGS Library catalog is available online thru a link from their
website (where you can also learn how to become a member & about all the
other wonderful benefits of being a member):



NGS is a wonderful resource!

Bruce, I haven't actually looked for/at the book you asked about, but I'll
bet NGS has a copy of it
>__The Original Lists of Persons of Quality ... Who Went from Great Britain
to the American Plantations, 1600-1700__ by John Camden Hotten (1874;
reprint, New York, 1931) Lawrence Evans specifically appears on p.171 of
the book, in Hotten's listing of the 1624 Census taken in the Colony,
showing that Evans was living at Jordans Journey<

BPN		03/08/1999 8:17:16
Legal Mumbo Jumbo Right Here in River CityCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks for passing on the full version of the words & the definition of
"fi fa"
BPN

03/08/1999 8:17:37
Re: School Poor RollsThat's a good idea, Helene. Send me the index pages and I'll be happy to look
them up in April when I go to GDAH.

I'd make it dollars to donuts that "Frs." is Francis. I guess Poythress
researchers don't think twice about it because we have wall to wall Francises.
Francis was a very common name among the people in England who supported the
crown in the English Civil War but "our" Francis was likely born about 1609,
long before the war. After the Stuart line, Francis as a given name falls out
of favor. I never saw any connection between the name and the Stuarts (or
even a Stuart supporter) but I suppose there was a connection somewhere.

Re: Isham. We also have a bunch of Ishams in colonial Virginia. I wouldn't
begin to speculate that the Georgia Ishams were kin though. Isham was one of
those old testament names that came into favor and stayed there for quite a
while. I never saw the name as anything other than a given name and I don't
think I have seen it any later than Faulkner's use as a fictious character
living in the early 1900's.

Best,

Maynard		03/09/1999 4:01:08
this is a testTeresa WillisHaving trouble sending send to list. This is a test.

03/09/1999 4:34:31
Francis Poythress, PreacherDiana C. Diamondhttp://www1.minn.net/~atims/francis1.html Jean Spille recounts the story of
Francis Poythress in Lewis Collins book. I have found a later version with
some more information about Rev. Francis Poythress at the Library of
Congress. The book is in somewhat poor condition.

>From "History of Kentucky" by the late Lewis Collins, Judge of Mason County
Court(revised, enlarged four-fold, and brought up to date by his son)
Richard H. Collins. Published by Collins & Co. Covington, KY, 1882.

On page 448 in a chapter entitled Methodist Episcopal Church:

Francis Poythress became identified with the infant church in Kentucky in
1788, having begun his career as an itinerant in 1775, and labored
continuously in Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina, in the years 1786-7,
as a presiding elder. In this capacity he had charge of the Kentucky
district for ten consecutive years contributing probably more than any other
minister to the struggling cause. In 1798 his appointment was to a district
embracing parts of Virginia and Tennessee; in 1799 again he led the hosts in
Kentucky, while in 1800, he was put in charge of a district of fifteen
circuits, in North Carolina, a field too great for his strength. He
returned to Kentucky, but not to his labors in the ministry. Twenty-four
years of such labor as he had undergone was too much for his mortal
strength. His bodily strength was prostrated, and his mind shattered and
deranged. After 1802 his name disappeared from the roll of elders and
ministers. The last years of his life were spent at his sister's, Mrs.
Susanna Pryor, twelve miles south of Lexington, Kentucky, where in 1818 he
closed his early pilgrimage.

-end quote--
Tomorrow, I will add a few details from earlier in the chapter which may
explain in part the difficulty of Rev. Poythress's assignment.

Regrettably, Maynard, I didn't find too much else on the Poythresses,
despite my optimism early on.		03/09/1999 8:41:22
FL Muster Rolls w. additionCharles NealWith thanks to Jane for an additional trip to the library for photocopying,
now INSERTED at the appropriate location below (in the earlier message I
sent re FL Muster Rolls from the Seminole Indian War) is an additional
siting of 2nd Lt. William T. Porthress[sic] on the portion of Vol.7,
pp.19-20 that we did not have earlier. This portion of the page also
clarifies the date when Private James Porthryss[sic] was listed.

Also now clarified is the fact that the published series of the Florida
Indian Wars Militia Muster Rolls was produced from transcriptions prepared
by the Jacksonville Genealogical Society, Inc., from photocopies of the
original rolls provided to them by the Historical Services Division of the
FL Dept of Military Affairs. There is still no indication of the date(s)
when the published series was done.

Further, in these photocopies the first letters of names at the left side
of each page were clarified. No changes to this email transcription were
necessary from this clarification, since the spot previously shown as "[ ]"
to indicate a missing letter/number was published as "__" thus indicating
that it was blank in the original

Note: As one will see, these Muster Rolls are NOT in chronological order.
Within the pages of typewritten transcriptions in these stapled 8.5"x11"
book, the "page" numbers used (and cited here) are apparently those of the
original handwritten Muster Rolls themselves. I will give the page numbers
of the Muster Rolls just as the book does. I will be quoting verbatim the
verbage about each Roll, INCLUDING their "Comments," parentheses, quotation
marks, underlining where there was apparently a blank place, and question
marks that appear in the book, and I will describe the placement in the
Roll of the POYTHRESS name for our personal research efforts. If I insert
any comment, I will place it in square brackets [like this].

Jacksonville Genealogical Society, Inc., transcribers __Florida
Department of Military Affairs: Special Archives Publication Number 68:
Vol. 2 Florida Militia Muster Rolls - Seminole Indian Wars__ (St.
Augustine, FL: State Arsenal, St. Francis Barracks, no date given) [This
volume had been stamped by the Library in Feb 1989]

Volume 2, pp 72-73:
Muster Roll of Captain Duncan Buie's Company of the First Regiment, Florida
Mounted Brigade of the Florida Militia, commanded by Colonel Bailey,
ordered into service of the United States by Brig.-Gen'l W.K. Armistead
from the 4th Day of August 1840 to the 4th Day of November 1840.

Comments: "In mustering this Force into the service you will instruct the
Mustering Officer to include in the muster the militia now in service of
the Territory from the date they entered it, and to muster out of service
such of them as may wish to return." /s/ A. Macomb, Maj. Gen'l, Commander
in Chief.

On 4 Aug. 1840 at Quincey, Fla., Capt. Duncan Buie certified by signature
that this muster is true, accurate and just. At same place and date, M.
Fauntleroy, Maj., 2nd Dragoons, Inspector & Mustering Officer, certified by
signature that the muster roll was accurate and that he had mustered the
company into service for the period of 3 months, unless sooner discharged.

NOTE: The men of the Company travelled 20 miles to the place of
rendezvous.

1. Duncan BUIE, Captain
2. Edwin T. HOLD, 1st Lieut.
3. Wm. POYTHRYS (?), 2nd Lieut.

[note: Below this were 2 columns, each listing 4 other officers, a 1st
Sergt., 3 Sergts, and 4 Corpls. Then below that were 62 Privates, in
alphabetical order. None of the other names had readily-apparent
significance to our research.]

- - -
Volume 2, pp 74-75
Muster Roll of Captain Duncan Buie's Company of the First Regiment, Florida
Mounted Brigade of the Florida Militia, commanded by W.J. Bayley (Bailey),
ordered into service of the United States by Brig. Gen. Armistead from the
4th Day of August to the 4th Day of November 1840 when discharged.

On 4 Nov. 1840 at Tallahassee, West Florida, Capt. Duncan Buie,
verified by signature that this muster roll exhibits the true state of the
Company for the period herein mentioned and that the recapitulation is in
every particular accurate. By signature, S. Churchill, Maj. 3d Art'y,
certified that he had mustered and discharged the company from the service
of the United States on 4 November 1840. The Company travelled 20 miles to
the place of rendezvous and 20 miles from the place of discharge to home.

1. Duncan BUIE, Captain
2. Edwin T. HOLT, 1st Lieut.
3. William PORTHYRS, 2nd Lieut.

[note: Below this were first 2 columns, each listing 4 other officers, a
1st Sergt., 3 Sergts, and 4 Corpls. Then below that were 3 columns of
Privates, totalling 62 men in alphabetical order. None of the other names
had readily-apparent significance to our research.]
- - -
- - -

Jacksonville Genealogical Society, Inc., transcribers __Florida Department
of Military Affairs: Special Archives Publication Number 73: Florida
Militia Muster Roles[sic] - Seminole Indian Wars (Vol.7)__ (St. Augustine,
FL: State Arsenal, St. Francis Barracks, no date given) [This volume had
been stamped by the Library in Oct 1990] [Note: This volume's print was
less distinct, and therefore it photocopied less well.]

Volume 7, pp 9-10
in and out of service.

Muster Roll of Captain McCall Detachment of the 5th Regiment 2nd Brigade of
Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Dupont ordered into service of
the United States by Maj Dearborn, from the 9th day of May[sic] 1838 to
19th day of May 1838.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of
Captain Wm B. McCall's Company of the Florida Drafted Militia, for the
period herein mentioned, and that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier, are accurate and just. Signed by:
Wm B. McCall, 1st Lieut, Commanding the Company
Date: 9 Mar 1839[sic]
Station: Quincy, Fla.

I certify, on honor, that I have examined this Muster Roll, and that I have
this ninth day of March 1839 mustered in and out and inspected the above
named company of Mounted Militia. Capt L.P. Heintzelman Inspector and
Mustering Officer.

Wm B. McCALL, 1st Lt., present Wm T. POYTHRESS, Sgt., present
John JOHNSON, Corp., present

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, not in alphabetical
order, totalling 21 men. After their names were the comments "present" for
all but 3, and "done duty whole term absent with leave from muster" for
those 3. None of the other names had readily-apparent significance to our
research. At the bottom of that list, and that page, is the following
note.]

Note 1: Members of this unit mustered at Quincy, Fla.
- - -

Volume 7, pp 11-12
Muster Roll of Captain W. B. McCall Company of 5th Regimt 2nd Brigade of
Florida Mounted Militia. . . 13th day of Aug to 5th day of Sept 1838 . . .
Signed 9 Mar 1839[sic] at Quincy, Fla. . . [Note: contained NO
Poythress-similar name of any spelling and no other name of
readily-apparent significance to our research]
- - -

Volume 7, pp 13-14
Muster Roll of Captain Jesse McCall's Detachment of Florida Mounted
Militia. . . 20th day of Sept 1837 to 26th day of Sept 1837 . . . Signed 9
Mar 1839[sic] at Quincy, Fla. . . [Note: contained NO Poythress-similar
name of any spelling and no other name of readily-apparent significance to
our research]
- - -

Volume 7, pp 15-16
Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of Regiment[sic] of 1st
Regiment of Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Wm J Bailey ordered
into service of the United States by Secretary of War from the tenth day of
December 1840 to the tenth day of Mar 1841.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
George R. McElvy's Company of the Florida Mounted Militia for the period
herein mentioned [and] that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier was accurate and just. Signed by:
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: 10 December [no year here]
Station: Tallahassee, W. Fla.

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this tenth day of December 1840 mustered and minutely inspected
the above named Florida Mounted Militia. L.P. Heintzleman Capt U.S.A.
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

[note: As you'll see in the notes below the privates, the following
dollar-amounts are for the value of each man's horse.]

[left column:]
George R. McELVY, Capt. $125
MOSES, servant, $50
Orrien C HORN, Sgt., $90
Harmon McELVY, Sgt., $130
Moses BRYANT, Copl., $100
Thomas CLARCK, Copl., $100
John B. WENBURN, Bugler $80

[right column:]
Edwin T. HOLT, 1st Lt., $100
William T. PORTHEUS, 2nd Lt., $80
Benjamin THORNTON, Sgt., $100
William HARRELL, Sgt., $80
John M. WALKER, Copl., $100
Jasper COLLINS, Copl., $75
Neil JOHNSON, Bugler, $100

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 64 men. After each name was a
dollar amount, except for 7 names which had no dollar amt. Other than the
one following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research. At the bottom of that list, are the below 2 notes]

[one of the privates listed in the right column:]
POITHREY, James, $100

Note 1: Members of this company mustered at Tallahassee, Fla.
Note 2: Dollar values following each man's entry are the value of his
horse.
- - -

Volume 7, pp 17-18
Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of the 1st Regiment, __
Brigade of Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col Wm J Bailey ordered
into service of the United States by Secretary of War from the fourteenth
day of March 1841 to the fourteenth day of June 1841.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
George R. McElvy's Company of the _____ for the period herein mentioned;
that the remarks set opposite each officer and soldier was accurate and
just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in every particular, the true
state of the Company.
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: 14 Mar 1841
Station: Charles Ferry

inspected the above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia into the
service of the United States for the term of three months. F. Churchill Maj
3rd Art

[left column]
George R. McELVY, Capt
Timothy T. SMITH, 2nd Lt.
Burwell RUDD, 1st Sgt.
William G. HARRELL, 1st Set.
John D. HARRELL, Corpl
William KELLY, Corpl
John WILSON, Bugler

[right column]
William T. POYTHRESS, 1st Lt.
Owen C. HORN, 1st Sgt.
Edmund L. SMART, 1st Sgt.
Alexander JOHNSON, Corpl
John C. PATTERSON, Corpl
George F. WRIT, Bugler

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 62 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research.]

[one of the privates listed in the right column:]
POYTHRESS, James
- - -

Volume 7, pp 19-20
Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy Company of the 1st Regiment, __
Brigade of Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col William J. Bailey
ordered into the service of the United States by the Secretary of War from
the 10th day Dec 1840 to the 14th day of March 1841 when discharged.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
George R. McElvy's Company of the Florida Mounted Militia for the period
herein mentioned; and that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier, are accurate and just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in
every particular, the true state of the Company. Signed by:
George R. McElvy, Captain, Commanding the Company
Date: 14 Mar 1841
Station: Charles Ferry E.F. [perhaps East Florida?]

I Certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this 14th day of March 1841 mustered and minutely inspected the
above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia who are hereby honorably
discharged from the service of the United States. S. Churchill 3rd Art
Inspector and Mustering Officer

Remustered for another term same day.

[left column]
George R. McELVY, Capt., has kept in service a personal servant and 2
horses
Wm T. PORTHRESS, 2nd Lt., has kept in service a personal servant and 2
horses
William G. HARRELL, 1st Sgt.
John M. WALKER, Corporal
Jasper COLLINS, Corporal
Neil JOHNSON, Bugler

[right column]
Edwin F. HOLT, 1st Lt., has kept in service a personal servant and 2 horses
Orran C. HORNE, 1st Sgt.
Benjn THORNTON, 1st Sgt.
Harman McELVY, 1st Sgt.
Moses BRYANT, Corporal
Thomas CLARK, Corporal
John B. WINBURN, Bugler

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 62 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research.]

[one of the privates listed in the right column:]
PORTHRYSS, James
- - -

Volume 7, pp 21-22

Muster Roll of Captain George R McElvy's Company of the 1st Regiment, of
the Florida Mounted Militia, commanded by Col W.J. Bailey, ordered into
service of the United States by the Secretary of War from the fourteenth
day of March 1841 to the twenty-first day of April 1841 when discharged.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of Capt
Geo. R. McElvy's Company of the Fla. Mounted Militia for the period herein
mentioned; that the remarks set opposite each officer and soldier are
accurate and just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in every
particular, the true state of the Company. Signed by:
George R. McElvy, Capt., Commanding the Company
Date: Apr 21 1841
Station: Tallahassee

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this 21st day of March 1841 mustered and minutely inspected the
above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia who are hereby honorably
discharged from the service of the United States. S. Churchill 3rd Art
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

[left column:]
Geo. R. McELVY, Capt., has kept in service a private servant and two horses
Timothy G. SMITH, 2nd Lt., has kept in service a private servant and two
horses
William G. HARRELL, 1st Lt.,
John D. HARRELL, Corporal, absent in pursuit of stray horses. order of Capt
from Apr 19
William KELLY, Corporal

[right column:]
Wm T POYTHRESS, 1st Lt., has kept in service a private servant and two
horses
Orren C. HORNE, 1st Sgt.
Burwell RUDD, 1st Sgt.
Edmund L. SMART, 1st Sgt.
Alexander JOHNSON, Corporal
John PATTERSON, Corporal
George F. WIER, Bugler, absent with leave for health from Apr 19
John WILSON, Bugler, sick in Gadsden County

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 63 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research.]

[one of the privates listed in the left column:]
POYTHRESS, James
- - -

Volume 7, pp 23-24

Muster Roll of Captain Alexr McIver's Company of Florida Mounted Militia,
commanded by Lt. Col. __ J. Bailey ordered into service of the Territory by
Gov. R.K. McCall from the 30th day of November 1839 to the 30th day of Mar.
1840 when discharged.

I certify, on honor, that this Muster Roll exhibits the true state of
Captain Alexr McIver's Company of the Florida. Mounted Militia for the
period herein mentioned; that the remarks set opposite each officer and
soldier, are accurate and just, and that the recapitulation exhibits, in
every particular, the true state of the Company. Signed by:
Alexr McIver, Capt
Date: at discharge Mar 30, 1838
Station: Tallahassee, M.F.[sic: perhaps that stands for Middle Florida?]

I certify, on honor, that I have carefully examined this Muster Roll, and
that I have this 27th day of Jan 1843[sic] mustered and minutely inspected
the above named Company of Florida Mounted Militia on the above certificate
under oath of the Captain for the time embraced. S. Churchill Gen.
Inspector and Mustering Officer.

This command, by its strength, is entitled to a 1st Lieut., 2 Sergs, 2
Corps and 1 ___ - from 30 Nov to 5 Dec - to 1st and 2nd Lieut: 3 Serg: 3
Corps and 1 ___ - from 6 Dec to 30 Mar - not having the requisite for a
Company during any part of the term. S. Churchill, Gen.

[left column:]
Alexander McIVER, Capt
Alexr McKenzie, 2nd Lt.
Daniel TOWNSEND, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Duncan BUIE, 1st St., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
John CONNEL, CORP., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Allen McCRANEY, Corp.

[right column:]
Madison LOTT, 1st Lt.
Augustus JOHNSON, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Griffin BALL, 1st Sgt., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Hiram ROSE, Corp. appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3
Joseph BLOUNT, Corp., appointed from Pvt. Dec. 3

[note: Below were 2 columns of Privates, unnumbered, with each column in
approximate alphabetical order, totalling 55 men. Other than the one
following name, the names had no readily-apparent significance to our
research. My opinion regarding this Private below is that, since this is
the second-earliest Roll having a Wm Poythress-similar-name, that this
could be the same William Poythress of varying spellings above, who was
shown in the one earlier Roll of May 1838 as a Sgt -- perhaps he was busted
back to Pvt -- and who was later shown as 2nd Lt. in 1840 and early 1841,
and as 1st Lt. later in 1841.]

[one of the privates listed in the left column:]
PORTRESS, William

Members of this Company mustered at Gadsden County, Florida.
- - -		03/09/1999 11:46:05
Francis Poythress, PreacherCharles NealDiana,

I know you'll get 2 copies of this message since I am sending it to you
personally as well as to the List, but I'm doing this since you mentioned
you get your List messages in Digest version, which of course means that
there can be lag-time until such time as there is enough of a volume of
accumulated messages for a Digest to be sent. (I subscribe to some Lists
that way, too, so am familiar with the lagtime problem.)

I want to assure you that yes, your excerpts from Lewis Collins' __History
of Kentucky__ are indeed arriving. I, for one, welcome them and have
printed them off as well as saved a file copy. I have long been interested
in this preacher. Unfortunately, he left no descendants for us to track
but he is certainly interesting on his own. Other sources we had seen
earlier (probably back in 1997 -- check the List Archives if you wish to
find them) mentioned that he had come from a family of some wealth in
Virginia. Sure wish we could identify which Poythress family.

You mentioned in yesterday's message with the first excerpt,
"Regrettably...didn't find too much else on the Poythresses, despite...
optimism early on." I am curious whether you are looking for particular
Poythresses, or for Poythresses specifically in Kentucky, or you are
looking in one particular Library, or what?

Thanks for your excerpts!
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		03/10/1999 1:51:09
Francis Poythress, Preacher, More onDiana C. DiamondYesterday, I sent an excerpt from the History of Kentucky, which I gather
reached some people, although I haven't received any list entries, including
my own, for several days, since digest #61.

Have I been excommunicated? Or are you silent?

Diana

Nevertheless, I submit....

Earlier in the chapter On the History of Kentucky's sketch on the Methodist
Episcopal Church, it discusses Francis Poythress as one of the church elders
who had a conference with the first bishop of any kind to go to Kentucky.

The Bishop Asbury described his journey from Richmond, which probably wasn't
all that unusual, although he was accompanied by two church elders. " I
was strangely outdone for want of sleep. Our way over the mountains, steep
hills, deep rivers and muddy creeks-- a thick growth of reeds for miles
altogether, and no inhabitants but wild beast and savage men. I slept about
an hour the first night, and about two the last. We ate no regular meals;
our bred grew short, and I was much spent...(I) say the graves of the
slain--24 in one camp--who had, a few nights previous been murdered by
Indians."

"The conference was composed of six members, namely, Francis Poythress,
James Haw, Wilson Lee, Stephen Brooks, Barnabas McHenry, and Peter Massie.
Three elders were ordained, preaching had, noon and night, souls were
converted, and the fallen restored. A plan was fixed for a school, called
Bethel, and 300 pounds in land and money subscribed toward its
establishment."

It seems that Benjamin Ogden, was another preacher who succombed to the
trial as a traveling preacher the wilderness of Kentucky both with "decease
of the lungs" among other failings, but some time after 1790 "A
misunderstanding...with Francis Poythress led to the severing of his
connection with the church..."		03/10/1999 2:17:07
I've GOT MAILDiana C. DiamondBarbara:

Why I found so little Poythress stuff. I don't know. The L of C has three
catalog files which highlight somebody's indexing of family names. I
checked all three. No I didn't check Kentucky. I did look at Virginia
before the "mild dusting of snow" forecast by local weather people turned
into the biggest snow in three years here in DC. To be honest, I have other
family names that have a higher priority for me at the moment, but I have
found the genealogy room indexes fabulously fruitful in the past for certain
families.

Any one wanting a photo copy of my photo copies on Francis, the preacher,
send me your address. I also copied a map of 17th Century Indian Tribes in
Virginia.

Diana		03/10/1999 3:38:46
Re: National ArchivesDebbie.....I'm going to punt those National Archives questions to Barbara. I
have never done a lick of work with that source that I could make any sense
out of. I suspect I just stumbled in there and it's nobody's fault but my
own. Barbara, on the other hand, has done some intelligent work in there.
And Barbara, I'll be the first to print your "instructions" or whatever before
I go again. So post 'em, would you?

Debbie, a few related comments as you are entering "the accumulation phase"
and I hope these will be helpful. Others may want to supplement or likely
have even better ways:

1) when you find something to transcribe, err on the side of too much detail
rather than too little....once you get it digitalized "length" is almost
irrelevent anyway, everybody just pastes stuff. Remember, we are NOT tracing
folks in New England who got documented in the courthouse every time they
sneezed.....we're scratching in dark corners for every clue we can find since
our PG courthouse got burned. For example, if you're in "Deeds & Mortgages",
it's not enough to say Joe Poythress sold land in 1805. The guy on the other
side of the transaction can be important.....as can the amount of land, the
price, the exact date, where, who the witnesses were, was it a forced sale by
the sheriff to settle a court order, etc. etc.

2) Citing your sources hangs right in there as the 11th commandment. Make it
become second nature to you.....sooner or later somebody (likely even you) is
going to need to go to that same source for some related information and
you'll just save a ton of time for a miniscule investment up front.....an
investment that has the added benefit of "credentializing" your work up front
before anybody asks.

3) I take a mini-cassette recorder with me when I'm reading microfilm or fiche
and you can really knock out a ton by dictating that way.....the principle
problem being that you can dictate in an afternoon what it takes 3 days to
transcribe when you get home. If you are at all handy with a laptop and have
one I'm told that is absolutely the best way to do it. Do it once, move it
from floppy to the appropriate hard drive folder and that's it until you are
ready to plug the pieces into your "program" format.

In GENERAL, photocopying microfilm and/or fiche is a dog and seldom worth
either the effort (unless the reader has a built-in copier, and most don't) or
the expense unless it's just a jewel of a document that you want to
keep.....or copying it will save you beaucoup time.....some of those things
take forever to figure out and taking them home as a photocopy is the only
way. It can actually be a lot of fun if you work on "translating" one with
someone else and a magnifying glass.

4) as you go about gathering information think about something that never
ocurred to me until I was five years or so into this thing: you'll be going
thru "general" sources (books, microfilm, fiche, etc) wherein stuff will be
listed "by the book"; i. e. you'll have an accumulation of "bits" and "pieces"
without any hook to any single individual. You'll have, for example, a group
of say, deeds, and some will be to Joe and some to Frank and some to Sally and
some to Jane and so on.

Sooner or later, if you ever expect to get organized enough to do any serious
genealogy (knock it off now, stop laughing, do as I say, not as I do) you are
going to have to change from that "bit mode" to a "by the person" mode.
You'll just never do anything with an armful of facts or documents or anything
that remains "random".

And the solution (or at least the only solution I was able to figure out) is
that when you begin to organize your "lines" or "trees" or "relationships" for
plugging into a genealogy "program" you'll just have to put your stuff into a
"by the person" mode.
Even better, use the program to put 'em in that mode (see below).

A second advantage of the "by the person" mode is it's handiness to research.
If you are sitting there with a "file" or "folder" or whatever on Sally and
you are looking for say, her birth date, you go to your "Sally file"......not
to a blue million random pages of say, deeds on multiple individuals that you
have to go through one at a time to even find all that you have about Sally.
This may not sound like a big deal now but wait until you get 60+ 3-ring
binders full of this stuff.

Now.....if you have followed me this far you now have two options for
converting information to the "by the person" mode.

Option a. If you are not phobic about using a new program (a genealogy one
in this instance) the very purpose of any of those programs is to give you the
proper "blanks" into which you insert all those random bits and to "attach"
them to the proper person. Bingo, and you just build from there using the
"program" for its intended purpose....to hook all those folks together and
place information for each one BY each one. Bright chaps, those computer
guys.

Option b. My system, since I am closet-phobic about new computer programs and
want to defer learning one forever, is to go through all my material and
create "time lines" for a PARTICULAR individual, thereby organizing it much
better than I had it before but not nearly as well as if I had plugged it into
the program in the first place. A couple of time lines on individuals are on
the web page as examples.

Bottom line: option b (my way) is stupid. Do option a.

Other news (especially for you). You won't believe how much was in the Ga.
Archives CSA records about William E. and Martha J. I have complete service
record of William E. which I'm "summarizing" (it's almost impossible to do
those any other way, they are on little 3" x 6" slips). I also have the
complete pension records transcribed for both for William E. and Sarah J.
Each pension record contains half dozen or so documents which I have
transcribed. Some of the documents are great! .....long questionaires for the
pension applicant and witnesses tell us neat stuff. Medical records are a
little depressing but interesting all the same. I'll send the transcriptions
on just those two to you soon as I finish it. For the rest, and there are 2
or 3 more guys, I'll put the whole thing together as a single "source" for the
page; should finish it this week.

And lastly, you better darn well hope you and your sister got Martha J's
genes. She died peacefully in her sleep at age 94 in 1935. Come to think of
it, she almost made the title of that nutty book "The Last Living Confederate
Widow" 🙂

Maynard		03/10/1999 5:30:53
Re: Francis Poythress, Preacher, More onI'm receiving you just fine. Perhaps part of the problem is that much of the
correspondence on the subject has been coming from Lila (Dolinger I think) in
Va. and SHE is not on the wire and in fact I didn't even notice that any of
this was coming from "on" our wire until I got yours.

Here is summary of what I said to Lila yesterday (I can't paste reply because
I zapped it but I'll copy my "paper" copy):

"Lila, I may have mistakenly understated what I know about this Francis. He
is all over the history books written specifically about Methodism.....always
words of praise, "indefatigable" being typical. He worked cheek by jowl with
Francis Asbury.
I read a line somewhere that he missed being a bishop by one vote. He was one
of the founders of Bethel Academy, an early Methodist Seminary in KY. He is
said to have "broken down", "lost his mind", etc....all attributed to working
himself to death.
The histories all say he lost his mind about 1813 or so and moved to the
custody of a sister and died there "insane" in 1820. Neither date is
verifiable with any precision as far as I know.

He actually had two sisters who moved to Kentucky. Susanna Poythress Pryor
(b. 1747 VA, d. 25 Jan 1817 Mercer County, KY) was the sister in whose home he
is said to have died about 1820. If Susanna really did d. 1817 and Francis in
1820 it would say that the rest of the family remained the custodians for 3
additional years. Perhaps the dates are off and that is not true.

Other sister was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston b. Va. date unknown, d. KY
1818.

The story of Francis' conversion to the ministry is usually cast in Victorian
flourishes.
He was a "rakehell" from a reasonably affluent family. One night he gazed on
a beautiful woman who questioned what he was doing with his life and he was
instantly converted......you can probably fill in the rest.

As a batchelor Francis will lead nowhere (genealogically speaking) but the
real dead end is "WHERE DID HE COME FROM?". Other than knowing it was Va. and
likely
Prince George County, I have lost this one. He is described as elderly at his
death. Let's make that 60 or 70 and back it out of 1820 to come up with b.
probably 1750-60.

While Francis himself may not particularly "lead" us anywhere "forward" there
are folks all over Kentucky looking for those two sisters, especially
Elizabeth Penniston."

I guess I'm shifting the question, Diana. I have photocopies of sections from
several histories of Methodism recounting his career. They all read pretty
much alike but none say where he came from other than "VA". Knowing his
parents would help because he is likely on the "Francis side" of John and
Francis lines.

Maynard		03/10/1999 8:56:41
Re: Francis Poythress, Preacher, More onDiana....querying the Pryor list would be a great idea. I didn't even know
the Pryors had a list. I guess shame on me for letting that end of it drop.
If may help if you give them the dates I have: Susannah Poythress Pryor, b.
Va. 1747, d. 25 Jan 1817, Mercer County, KY.

For the other sister, I am already in contact with several Penniston
descendents here in KY and they seem to be nowhere with respect to Francis'
origin......not that Francis is that big an issue for them; they are trying to
hang a mother and a father on his sister Elizabeth and they tell me they have
about given up on Francis as a vehicle for that. They don't have any more on
Elizabeth Poythress Penniston than I do: b. Va. d. Ky.1818.

Re the "outage"......a bunch of us are on AOL and they are in Vienna or
Alexandria or one of those places....seems unlikely but that may remotely have
something to do with it. No telling whose lines Cisco's "routers" put
messages across if the biggest guy in the business is in VA. and is "down"
even if only in part.

Maynard		03/10/1999 10:41:41
Bible Resource - Tims, Baird, Wall, Wolfe, etcCharles NealAfter learning of this resource from a message from Sheryl, I have just
checked an online site I had not seen before. It has transcriptions of many
Bible records -- some of which are online and some of which are available
from the creator of the website. While I did not see any Poythress ones,
the website creator notes that she is adding more every day, so one should
keep checking.

The website is one created by Jeannette Holland Austin, who has been doing
genealogy for 30 years, and who lives in Fayetteville, GA:

http://www.genealogy-books.com

She lists the indexes for ONLINE Bibles; for Alabama, NC-SC, VA, etc Bible
transcriptions available from her on disk (ascii text transcriptions she
has done from records people have submitted to her during her researching
years, and from records she has found); and available at the GA Archives by
having her photocopy them. In the indexes she has first names as well as
surnames, so you might want to check the indexes for ones in families in
your line.

Among the surnames I saw listed that are of possible interest to some of
our List members:
- Tims - I think this surname was in the listing of online Bibles
- Beaird [sic] - 4 families' Bibles in the Alabama listing
- Wolfe - (Barbara, I cannot now remember which listing at her site this
one was -- could've been GA, or VA or maybe NC-SC. Sorry; thought I could
remember it long enough to do this email :-()
- Wall - this was one of the ones at the GA Archives she can provide
copies of, I believe

She also does a newsletter, EXPERT GENEALOGY, that is free and lists
various tidbits of genie info, such as the below-copied Huguenot info in
her 3-8-99 issue; one can subscribe at the above website.

BPN
> > >
EXPERT GENEALOGY
Editor: Jeannette Holland Austin

Series: Huguenots
Subject: Names
Date: March 8, 1999

The most popular names used in the United States by French Huguenot males
were: Jean/John, Pierre/Peter, Jacques/James, Daniel, Isaac,
Francois/Francis/Abraham, Jacob, Louis/Lewis, and Anthone/Anthony.

Female names: Marie/Mary, Elizabeth, Suzanne, Catherine, Anne, Esther,
Judith, Sarah, Jeanne, Madeleine.

By the time the 1790 census was taken, the Huguenot common names were:
John, William, Thomas, Benjamin, Samuel, Jacob, Peter, Daniel, Lewis,
Abraham, Joseph. These names were used through French settlements in the
US.

The more common French-Catholic names in Louisiana were: Joseph,
Pierre-Peter, Jean-John, Louis, Charles, Francois, Paul, Simon and
Jacques-James.

A typical family exemplifying Huguenot names was Jean Marot, a resident of
old Williamsburg, Virginia. He was born 6/5/1676 in Meuthe Et Moselle,
Viterne, France, died
11/18/1717 Williamsburg, Virginia. His named children were: Barbe, Jean
(John), Jacque and Francois
=====================================
EXPERT GENEALOGY is sponsored by GENEALOGY BOOKS and may be freely
re-distributed or published.
=====================================		03/11/1999 6:24:21
March BlizzardCharles NealWith apologies that this has no direct connection to Poythress that I know
of, other than the fact that some of our Poythress folks may have died from
it. Today on Garrison Keillor's 5-minute daily (Mon - Fri) radio program,
he talked about the Great Blizzard of 1888 that killed over 400 people. It
began in the early hours of March 11th on the east coast, and snowed for 3
days. He mentioned the paralyzing depths of snow in various cities
including New York and Washington DC, and said that Pensacola, FL had
blowing and drifting snow, which was really amazing to me. He talked of how
telegraph messages between some cities (maybe he said Boston & NY?) had to
be routed through Europe to get thru, and how rail service came to a
standstill.

Each day he talks about some of the historic happenings of the day. For
those of you who have not heard this great daily program, you can find
which public radio stations carry it, at its website:

http://www.almanac.mpr.org

[Note: that portion of the address is "MPR" as in Minnesota Public Radio,
and NOT "NPR" as in National Public Radio]

BPN		03/11/1999 6:55:31
Epes BookI am reliably informed that the revised edition is now at the
printers......not particularly a surpirse consideriing the tenacity of the
Epes folks but in general these family histories 2nd editions seem to always
stay in the planning session.

I have a lady on the Epes wire who will let me know when it's out.

Maynard		03/12/1999 5:23:48
Re: Frank Grass and Harley EarlA brief comment in reference to the obit of Mr. Grass: "...he became a
tutor and guardian in Grosse Pointe, Mi., to the sons of Harley J. Earl,
a General Motors V.P..." Some of you may be aware that Harley Earl was
not just any old run-of-the-mill GM VP. Harley Earl was the chief
stylist of GM during the 30's through the 50's. For a great story, see
"Crazy for Chrome, The Man Who Invented Detroit Style" in the Fall 1998
American Heritage of Invention & Technology (vol 14, nbr 2). -lpb

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1810 and 1820 VA CensusTeresa WillisHere are some name variations. Do these look like Poythress to you?
name county 1810
Portis Gideon Sth

Peatross, Ann Crl
Ann
Henry
Richard
Thomas
Thomas

Pettis Beverley Crl
David Lnn
Delilah Wth
Isaac Wth
John crl
John Lnn
Molley Crl
Samuel Lnn
Stephen Lnn

Poythress Betey Prg
Mary Sth
William Prg

Prothery, Thoma Frn

name county 1820
Patroof Andrew Hmp

Peatross Amey Car
Ann
James
John
Lucy
Richard
William L Pit

Petree, James Ann
Petres, Isaac Mgn
Petriss, John H. Rcy
Portiaux M.B. Cfd ?
Portriss, Lewis Mec
Potress Joshua Pcy
Poythress John Prg.
Thomas Chs
Poytress Patrick H. Din

VA Taxpayers 1782-11786

Peatross, Amey Caro
James Caro
Matthew Caro
Thomas Caro
These were the only ones listed in this book that even resembled Poythress.

I also found a book called English Duplicates of Lost Virginia Records by
Louis des Cognets, Jr.
It list land grants, land patents,rent rolls, and county officials for
1700-1715 is any one interested in this?		03/12/1999 7:51:01
Re: National ArchivesI'll chime in just to say that for me BOTH the family database program
AND the timeline are important. In fact, for me the timeline is more
important for analysis. On the timeline I can put any and every bit of
information about a "John Poythress" without having to interpret too
early. That way I am able to file and retrieve without needing to
pretend answers for questions such as "Just how many John Poythresses
does this timeline represent?"

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Missing Poythress Sheriff in Brunswick?Theresa, thanks so much for the more complete information on your
Brunswick research citations. As you may recall several of us checked
for a Brunswick sheriff named Poythress and found none. On the whim that
maybe other kinds of officials might be casually called "sheriff", I
personally checked every Poythress citation in the book and every table
in the appendix and found no Poythress public servant of any kind listed.

You are probably aware that Gay Neale is writing a second edition of her
Brunswick history. I would think that she and the Historical Society
would consider finding a missing sheriff to be a terribly important
correction, one they would not wish to miss.

So I would like to strongly urge you to contact Gay Neale or the
Brunswick Historical Society with your information. The mailing address
is Brunswick County Historical Society, P. O. Box 554, Lawrenceville, VA
23868. I regret that I do not have any phone numbers. Maybe the folks
at the museum (848-0964) or library would be able to help. If all else
fails, I can provide you Ms. Neale's home phone number. Call me if
needed.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Anna Stanley, Brunswick, Va., 1880The following is from the 1880 Brunswick, Va., federal census:

R1357,ED195,P6/320B,L25 - dwelling 54, family 54
Stanley, Geo M., white, male, age 47, head of house, single, farmer
Valentine, George, black, male, age 11, servant, single, domestic servant

This is the only entry of a Stanley in 1880 in Meherrin District (ED 30
and 195) or the bordering South Hill District (ED 149) of Mecklenburg Co.
Taken together, these three districts comprise the usual Virginia haunts
of the Lewis Poythress line.

A comparison of this information with that of the 1870 Benjamin Stanley
household (my message of 2/21/99) would imply that the Anna of 1870 is
NOT the wife of George. This increases the probability that Anna is a
daughter of Benjamin Stanley and thus a blood granddaughter of Lewis
Poythress. Based on age, Anna may be the Martha R. J. Stanley of the
1860 household. (Stranger errors are sadly too common in our dear
federal census!)

So where was Anna in 1880? Perhaps Anna is married and living in the
area. To pursue this someone will need to research the Brunswick
marriage register for 1860 and later. I don't have access, so I'm at the
mercy of the list for help on this. But here's a wilder proposition:
What if Anna and perhaps others of Benjamin's children have moved to
Sumter Co., Alabama, to join their mother's kinsmen? I know this idea is
premature to pursue yet, but I just wanted to get you thinking about the
possibilities.

Help of any kind is welcomed.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: VA census:PoythressPat.....yep, 362 is correct for Soundex. I think the problem is dealing with
Soundex in the first place, although you really don't have any choice in those
particular censuses if you want to look something up. Better to wade through
a million Pattersons than to wade through the entire census I suppose. Still,
Soundex was not one of the WPA's brighter moments.

Maynard		03/13/1999 4:19:59
Re:VA census:PoythressPat AutryForgive me for the ignorance of this post.

I was in my downtown library yesterday & discovered that it has the soundex Census information for not only North Carolina but also for Virginia (& a few others). Since I
haven't had any luck on the Email in finding ancestors to my one known Poythress ancestor, Martha J. Poythress, I decided to check the 1880 Virginia soundex information.
Martha is purported to come over inthe 1800s after "one of the potato famines"- don't know when, whether adult or child, when she came over from Ireland-since her
daughter(my ancestor) got married in 1906, I figured there should have been a household in 1880 if she lived in VA. Will now check for North Carolina when I have a chance.

The surprise to me was that I only found two Poythress families on the Soundex tape for 1880, looking thru "362" for Poythress or close spelling:

James Poythress,w, age 23 Brunswick Co, VA Birthplace VA
wife Lucy,w, age 23 " "
daughter Susan, age 1
Vol 6. E.D. 30 Sheet 14 Line 3
?McHerrin Township

William L. Poythress,w, age34 Brunswick Co Birthplace VA
wife Anna J., w, age 35
daughter Emma, age 11
daughter Ada, age 8
son Leon, age 6
daughter Lily, age 3
daughter Martha A. age 3/12 years

I saw Peatross several times and of course a slew of Pattersons & Peters, but only two Poythress. Can anyone time me whether there should have been more? I wondered if
maybe the "362" was not the proper designation for "Poythress" name. Admittedly running thru the tape in the short time that I had, I could have missed
some. Pat		03/13/1999 5:59:55
Anna Stanley, Brunswick, Va., 1880Charles NealLyn,

I appreciate your help & brainstorming on this!

BPN

03/13/1999 6:00:04
Epes BookCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks so much for the update. Will stay tuned for release info.

BPN

03/13/1999 6:00:07
Soundex Codes for Poythress Census SearchingCharles NealPat,

Thank you so much for sharing what you found (below) on the 1880 VA Census
Soundex for Soundex Code 362!! I have not yet gotten to that Census
Soundex, and REALLY appreciate the info.

As to whether there should be more POYTHRESSes in VA in 1880: I don't
specifically know whether & where in VA there were or may have been others
in VA in 1880, but there were PROBABLY more.

& As to whether P362 is the "right" code: Yes, if the name was spelled
right by the Census-taker AND was read correctly by the (Much LATER) person
converting it to a Soundex Code. The coding problem comes from the
spelling problems. Census takers took the information verbally from people
when they visited the houses back in years when they went door-to-door,
which I think would have still been the practice in 1880. In their haste
(since they got paid on how many they did) they apparently rarely asked for
the spelling; and a lot of the populace was still illiterate anyway & may
not could have told them the right spelling anyway.

Then many years after the Census was taken, other people tried to read the
Census-taker's writing, and converted it to a Soundex code. Sometime along
the way, people learned to write "ss" at the end of words as we write it
today; in earlier generations, the double "s" was written with one letter
(pronounced "s-set") which LOOKS like a lowercase "p." So if the
Census-taker used the old-style s-set which looks like a "p" and then years
later the Soundex-converter-person had no concept of that, it could have
been coded as if the name was spelled "Poythrep." And of course if the
Soundex-converter-person had never before encountered our name & had
problems reading the Census-taker's handwriting, then the coding could be
even further afield.

The 3 Soundex Codes I have seen commonly used in various Censuses for our
name include:

P362 as already noted: This code covers Poythress as well as PAythress,
Pouthress, Pothress, Patress, and Poutress

P361 which covers all of the above possibilities except changing the "ss"
to "p" (as in Poythrep, PAythrep, etc)

P636 which covers PoRthress, Parthress, Portress, Partress, and all of
those with the "ss" changed to "p"

Then of course if the Soundex-code-converter-person couldn't read the first
letter of our last name, and thought it was an "R" or a "B" one would also
have to change the "P" to those letters in the above 3 codes to EVER find
that horrible possibility!

Hope this helps!
BPN
> > >
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:59:55 -0500
From: Pat Autry
Subject: Re:VA census:Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Forgive me for the ignorance of this post.

I was in my downtown library yesterday & discovered that it has the soundex
Census information for not only North Carolina but also for Virginia (& a
few others). Since I
haven't had any luck on the Email in finding ancestors to my one known
Poythress ancestor, Martha J. Poythress, I decided to check the 1880
Virginia soundex information.
Martha is purported to come over inthe 1800s after "one of the potato
famines"- don't know when, whether adult or child, when she came over from
Ireland-since her
daughter(my ancestor) got married in 1906, I figured there should have been
a household in 1880 if she lived in VA. Will now check for North Carolina
when I have a chance.

The surprise to me was that I only found two Poythress families on the
Soundex tape for 1880, looking thru "362" for Poythress or close spelling:

James Poythress,w, age 23 Brunswick Co, VA Birthplace VA
wife Lucy,w, age 23 "
"
daughter Susan, age 1
Vol 6. E.D. 30 Sheet 14 Line 3
?McHerrin Township

William L. Poythress,w, age34 Brunswick Co Birthplace VA
wife Anna J., w, age 35
daughter Emma, age 11
daughter Ada, age 8
son Leon, age 6
daughter Lily, age 3
daughter Martha A. age 3/12 years

I saw Peatross several times and of course a slew of Pattersons & Peters,
but only two Poythress. Can anyone time me whether there should have been
more? I wondered if
maybe the "362" was not the proper designation for "Poythress" name.
Admittedly running thru the tape in the short time that I had, I could have
missed
some. Pat
<		03/13/1999 6:00:13
Poythress originsKenneth LarsenOn the recent Poythress Digest I noted a reference of a Poythress coming
from Ireland. I did not
remember hearing of the Irish connection before. If this is so, it
might give me a clue as to where in Ireland "our" Fitzgerald
emmigrant/immigrant came from. Fitzgerald is/was as common as Smith is
in England and Jones is in Wales. The addition of Poythress in any of
it's variations might give me a clue as to origins. "Birds of a
feather--" and all that.
Ken Larsen

03/14/1999 2:09:26
testTeresa WillisStill having problems with my service. This is a test.

Thanks
Teresa

03/14/1999 6:17:23
Meredith Sr., Jr. Etc.Bud, I have been in contact with Bob Peavy whom I asked for corrections in the
genealogy portion of that cemetery write-up. Bob was most helpful and I
agreed with all of his changes and made them. I'm not sure if you know Bob or
not but I have
constantly leaned on him for Screven information and he is a gold mine with a
first rate searchable data base.

In the comments below, he addresses our problem of the two Susan Mercers and
the two Hester Mocks.

The two Susan Mercers are problematic but they have to be
"acceptable"....after, all we have two gravestones in two different cemeteries
and we know who married each Susan Mercer.

The issue of two Hester Mocks is a little harder for me to get my mind around.
Bob has been kind enough to send me (and Debbie) some extended print outs of
his data
base and raises the question of the two Hester Mocks in another
context.....the question of whether or not Hester Mock might have been the
SECOND wife of Meredith Poythress, SR. as opposed to the first wife of
Meredith, Jr. I must say I have looked at this stuff until my head is
swimming. Seeming to get nowhere, I'm now asking you to jump in the pool.
What do you think about the below:

From: John R Peavy on 02/25/99 10:47 PM
Subject: POYTHRESS Screven Co GA Part III

POYTHRESS Screven Co GA Part III of III - The Issue

Note from Part I: Meredith POYTHRESS [Sr] b 1760-1770 appears in
Screven Co GA as a head of household in 1830 with an adult female
b 1800-1810 and four boys b 1810-1830; Meredith POYTHERESS [Jr] b
1790-1800 appears as a head of household in 1840, evidently with a
wife of about the same age and two boys and two girls b 1830-1840.
This 1840 record is fairly consistent with the 1850 record for Jr.
I don't know where Jr was in 1830, or where either Jr or Sr was in
1820. The 1820 abstract does indicate households headed by James
POYTHRESS b 1775-1794, WIlliam POYTHREESS b < 1775, and "Mundy"
POYTHRESS b < 1775 (a misread, misheard or miswritten variant of
Meredith?). "Mundy" (Sr?) evidently has in his household a wife b
1775-1794 (Hester?) , a young man b 1794-1802 (Jr?), a younger
woman b 1804-1810 (a daughter or perhaps Susan, wife of Jr) and
three boys b 1810-1820 (includes George Washington?).

Now, "The Issue" (I did not go looking for one):

{1} POYTHRESS researchers have identified Hester WILDER MOCK
POYTHRESS b 25 Feb 1793 d c 1828 m2 by 1818, widow of Benjamin MOCK,
as the first wife of Meredith POYTHRESS Jr, and have identified Susan
MANER as his second wife. That is, Jr, at an age of about 23, m1 by
1818 m1 Hester WILDER MOCK (of about the same age) and had children b
1819-1828, and Jr, at an age of about 34, m2 c 1829 Susan MANER,
about ten years younger, and had childen b 1829-1840. By 1840, Sr is
dead, and in 1850 Jr & Susan MANER are at household S544.

{2} So who, then, is the Hester POYTHRESS b c 1795 at household S298
in 1850? Did a brother or cousin of Jr also marry a Hester, father
William E. b 1829/1833 and three daughters b 1836-1845, and then d
1845-1850? Back in 1830, the PORTRESS Sr household has an adult
female b 1800-1810 and four boys b 1810-1830 (and I don't see Jr b
1790-1800). The five known POYTHRESS children of Hester WILDER MOCK
POYTHRESS are (taken from Maynard at the POYTHRESS web site): George
Washington POYTHRESS b 13 Jan 1819, John White POYTHRESS b 13 Jan
1821, Henrietta POYTHRESS b 7 Dec 1823, Sarah Edwards POYTHRESS b 14
Nov 1826, and Isaac Edwin POYTHRESS b 28 May 1828. So, Hester is a
near fit in Sr's 1830 census data, and the three boys fit (allowing
that a fourth son was lost > 1830, or that William E. might make the
fourth), but the two girls are nowhere to be seen in the abstract.

{3} In 1822, Jr is involved in the settlement of the estate of John
MANER Sr, so must he have been m to Susan MANER by then, at age 27?
In 1827, Jr is among the Silas C. MANER heirs (has Jr another tie-in
with the MANERs?) who sell a slave to my wife's ancestor, Rev Moses
Nathaniel MCCALL Sr. (And, incidentally, in 1828, Jr or Sr witnessed
the will of my ancestor James SCOTT Sr). Hester WILDER MOCK
POYTHRESS is still having children through at least 1828. In c 1829
Susan MANER POYTHRESS has her first known child.

{4} In 1850, "next door" to Hester, at household S297 is an Isaac
POYTHRESS b c 1828, a very good fit for Isaac Edwin POYTHRESS b 28
May 1828, son of Hester WILDER MOCK POYTHRESS (and who is likely the
Isaac POYTHRESS of the "Brown Light Infantry" whose service record
says he d 29 Jun 1862).

{5} Whoever the Hester age 55 at household S298 in 1850 may be, in
that household is a WIlliam b c 1832 and three girls b c 1836-1845.
The fit for William E. POYTHRESS b Jul 1829 or Jul 1833 is certainly
plausible. By 1860 and 1870, William E. POYTHRESS is living near
John White POYTHRESS, a son of Hester WILDER MOCK POYTHRESS.

{6} CONCLUSION: Since I lack evidence to the contrary (POYTHRESS
researchers may have other data to support the model in paragraph {1}
above), I can only suspect that Sr, at the age of about 53, m2 by
1818, the much younger widow Hester WILDER MOCK b c 1795 d > 1850 (of
about the same age as Jr), and that Sr & Hester are the parents of
children b 1819-1828 and perhaps even William E. in Jul 1829/Jul 1833
and (possibly even the three daughters b 1836-1845 - but then where
was Sr in 1840?). Perhaps, then, Jr, at the age of 34, m(1 and only)
by 1822 m(1 and only) Susan R. MANER.

Please do not think, that as an area researcher, I have every
confidence in looking over some of a family's records and proposing a
differing interpretation to prompt debate with the actual descendants
who hoepfully have more data (okay, it is true that I proposed Sion
Lee BOYKIN as the natural child of Celah BOYKIN MOCK in this same era
-- curious that I heard from so few MOCK researchers after that). I
am a scientist/engineer and what I know to do is to propose a model
from the evidence that I have and run that model until it doesn't
work any more, but I do not do so spouting that my current model is
"the truth." My conclusion is only for your consideration and may
conceivably be countered easily by data which I do not have. How
fortunate, with such an approach, I'm not involved in much DAR/SAR
proving of ancestry. But then, after looking over some Pioneers of
Wiregrass Georgia information, I believe that such an approach, or an
even worse one, is widespread.

May God Bless the Three of You and Your Families,

Bob PEAVY
Post Office Box 1519
Rincon GA 31326-1519		03/14/1999 10:54:35
Re: Poythress in 1880 CensusHello, Pat. Recent wisdom from the list suggests one look at P362, P620
and P636 for Poythress. When using the 1880 soundex one is not only
fighting the usual soundex spelling challenges but also the partial
nature of the indexing. It is my understanding that only families with
children 10 years old or younger were included in the 1880 soundex. As I
recall, the soundex was created by the WPA primarily for the purpose of
validating age eligibility for social security. In order to really
search for your Martha J. Poythress, you will need to inspect the entire
census of likely EDs in Greensville Co. Most microfilm collections also
include reels that describe the territory of each ED. So happy hunting.

Oh yes, and that township is Meherrin, pronounced "Me HER in" as in the
river. In addition to brothers James and William Lewis, one also finds
the household of father Thomas M. Poythress in South Hill District of
Mecklenburg, ED149,P41,L49. Somewhere in the region should be the
household of sister Elizabeth Poythress Mills, but I am not yet aware of
it. -LPB

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:59:55 -0500 Pat Autry
writes:
>Forgive me for the ignorance of this post.
>
>I was in my downtown library yesterday & discovered that it has the
>soundex Census information for not only North Carolina but also for
>Virginia (& a few others). Since I
>haven't had any luck on the Email in finding ancestors to my one known
>Poythress ancestor, Martha J. Poythress, I decided to check the 1880
>Virginia soundex information.
>Martha is purported to come over inthe 1800s after "one of the potato
>famines"- don't know when, whether adult or child, when she came over
>from Ireland-since her
>daughter(my ancestor) got married in 1906, I figured there should have
>been a household in 1880 if she lived in VA. Will now check for North
>Carolina when I have a chance.
>
>The surprise to me was that I only found two Poythress families on
>the Soundex tape for 1880, looking thru "362" for Poythress or close
>spelling:
>
> James Poythress,w, age 23 Brunswick Co, VA Birthplace VA
> wife Lucy,w, age 23
>" "
> daughter Susan, age 1
> Vol 6. E.D. 30 Sheet 14 Line 3
> ?McHerrin Township
>
>William L. Poythress,w, age34 Brunswick Co Birthplace VA
> wife Anna J., w, age 35
> daughter Emma, age 11
> daughter Ada, age 8
> son Leon, age 6
> daughter Lily, age 3
> daughter Martha A. age 3/12 years
>
>I saw Peatross several times and of course a slew of Pattersons &
>Peters, but only two Poythress. Can anyone time me whether there
>should have been more? I wondered if
>maybe the "362" was not the proper designation for "Poythress" name.
>Admittedly running thru the tape in the short time that I had, I could
>have missed
>some. Pat

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Polythress Soundex CodeCharles NealLynn,

Good point; I have even had recent problems with an organization I'm a
member of, mistyping my email address by including an "L" in the Poythress
part of the address.

The Soundex Code for PoLythress would be: P436
(& This would be the same if they also substituted a "p" for the "ss")

BPN
> > >
You know, in regard to name spellings, it seems that a lot of people
(that is, others unfamiliar with the name) often want to put an L
in the middle of it. I don't know why, or if it's just a modern
thing - but it happens enough to our family (on at least a weekly
basis) that it might be something to keep track of - POLYTHRESS.

Lynn		03/15/1999 2:58:54
Meredith Sr., Jr. Etc.Charles NealMaynard,

Re: "In the comments below, he addresses our problem of the two Susan
Mercers and
the two Hester Mocks. The two Susan Mercers are problematic but they have
to be
acceptable....after, all we have two gravestones in two different
cemeteries and we know who married each Susan Mercer."

In this above couple of sentences did you mean to say Susan MANER rather
than MERCER? I found no further mention of the Mercer name in the
remainder of the message, thus my question.

Also, if you did mean Susan Maner: I only have one Susan Maner listed in
my database, so would appreciate your gravemarker info on the 2 Susans for
whom you have 2 markers in 2 different cemeteries, & who married each.

And if you did mean Susan Mercer, who were these 2 Susans?

Thanks.
BPN		03/15/1999 7:00:19
TX War for Indep - 1839 Land.Charles NealPatti sent a message in response to my earlier message about the Archives
site on where Confed Pension records are located, saying:

"I don't know how many it will help, but when the Texas War for
Independence was
won, those who served with Sam Houston at the Battle of San Jacinto,
received
pensions and some [maybe all] got 140 acres of land also. I don't have a
site,
just a text of the citation with my husband's relative in 1839. These might
be
available in Austin, Texas Archives . Patti"		03/15/1999 8:55:16
Census Index Online AvailabilityCharles NealThe following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter [issue of 13 March 1999] and is copyright 1999 by Richard W.
Eastman and
Ancestry, Inc. It is re-published here with the permission of
the author.

> - U.S. Census Indexes Are Now Online

Here is an announcement that U.S. genealogists have waited years
to read:

OREM, UTAH, March 11, 1999 -- Ancestry.com
(http://www.ancestry.com), the Internet's leading site for
genealogy research, announced today the exclusive online
availability of a 35 million-name index to state and federal
census records dating from 1790 through 1870.

Often the most comprehensive resource from the beginning of
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"Census data is an important resource for researching family
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provide additional details that assist in locating family
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"This is one of the most useful databases to be made available
since the inception of online genealogy," said Marsha Rising,
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The collection of census data is available at no extra charge
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The census indexes are part of Ancestry's subscription-based
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is listed. For instance, I looked for my great-great-grandfather
in the free area and found the following:

YOU SEARCHED FOR: WASHINGTON EASTMAN
AIS Census Indexes
AIS Arkansas Census Index 3
AIS Maine Census Index 1

This indicates that men of that name are found in one census index
in Maine and three census indexes in Arkansas.

The exact census records available vary a bit from state to state.
Here is Ancestry's description for census listings in Maine:

This collection contains the following indexes: 1800 Federal
Census Index; 1810 Federal Census Index; 1820 Federal Census
Index; 1830 Federal Census Index; 1840 Federal Census Index; 1840
Pensioners List; 1850 Federal Census Index; 1860 Federal Census
Index; 1870 Federal Census Index; 1890 Veterans Schedules; Early
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Another database that will soon be available will include the
Mortality Schedules. These were included in the 1850, 1860, 1870,
and 1880 censuses and were a separate set of questions regarding
those who died in the twelve months prior to the enumeration of
the regular census.

I entered the subscription area and performed a search for my
great-great-grandfather in the Maine census records. Here is the
result:

Year: 1840
Surname: EASTMAN
Given Name (s): WASHINGTON H.
County: Penobscot County
State: ME
Page: 070
Township/Other Info.: Corinth
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule
Database: ME 1840 Federal Census Index
ID#: MES4a805292

>From the above I know that I can rent the microfilm of the 1840
Federal census for the town of Corinth in Penobscot County, Maine
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The information shown in the index is very brief. However, when I
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< [see above]		03/15/1999 10:50:58
1810 and 1820 VA CensusCharles NealTeresa,

Of course one never knows for sure on the spellings of surnames what
spelling might have been one of "our Poythress" folks, but my gut feeling
at this time is that we should keep an eye on those with the following
spellings:
- Poythress of course
- Poytress
- Portis
- Portriss
- Potress
- Porthress
- Pothress
- And, if it is a book where someone unfamiliar with old handwriting did
the transcribing, we should also include spellings that look like the above
ones except that have a "p" at the end instead of "ss"
- And keep an open mind re the first vowel also showing up in transcribed
items, instead of an "o" as an "a"

Unless/until we get some stronger indication that they are "ours" I think
we can disregard for now, those with the following spellings:
Peatross
Pettis
Prothery
Patroof
Petree
Petres
Petriss
Portiaux

Hope this helps,
BPN

03/15/1999 12:45:02
Confed Pension Records Are Stored At...Charles NealA friend sent me a note to alert anyone interested that the National
Archives has a great site listing all the states' locations where their
Confederate Pension Records can be found. (And at the bottom of this Nat'l
Archives site's page is a link directly to the online Index to Virginia
Confederate Pension records)

http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/confed.html

03/15/1999 12:45:05
Family Search Website NewsCharles NealBarbara,
Here is the latest forwarded by my friend in Salt Lake:

Hello Fellow Researchers,

I have been bombarded with questions on the Family Search Website and would
like to pass on to you the information I received when I spoke to an
"Official" Church spokesperson at Family Search.

He advised me of the following:

The OFFICIAL LDS Church website is LDS.ORG

Go to media resources and find News update.

The church is posting updates as they come in as to the state of the family
search.

Within 3 or 4 minutes of the NEWS UPDATE ANNOUNCING the FAMILY SEARCH is
online. They will post it THERE! SO Keep checking. Should be a couple of
days.

It will be a MASSIVE SITE. They are prepared to test this site using
anyone who wishes to go to it and use it.

THERE WILL BE NO PASSWORD TO ACCESS IT.

The rumor about the password was incorrect. When the site was put up it
was
restricted to a few....about 100 people who designed it and are putting the
finishing touches on it, someone there LEAKED, YES LEAKED, (AN EMPLOYEE)
and that is why some of you got in. When the masses bombarded the site it
crashed cause it was not finished. They have now given each worker an
INDIVIDUAL PASSWORD, SOOOOO IF it gets leaked again they will know who did
it. It has been postponed being put online a few days because of the
crash.

There are now about 12 popular stories going around about Family Search. I
ASSURE YOU MINE CAME FROM A CHURCH SPOKESMAN.

IF you pass information about the site on to others please just send them
this message I have sent you. The whole message.

Now please remember this.

1. Go to LDS.org
2. Find Media Resources
3. Check News Updates

That will inform you when it is going online. Please notify everyone
you know who will be interested.

I hope this helps you all. You have my permission to pass this note
on to any Genealogy Lists you wish. Again, Please pass the whole note
not just sections of it or we will have more rumors.

Thanks,
Karen Gaughan in Pa. Pahendrsht@aol.com		03/17/1999 2:53:37
Internet sitesCharles NealDiana,

Thanks for posting the interesting sites. I find that I am so far behind
on taking advantage of the info I have already accumulated, that I do
better if I try to not develop many favorite sites to visit as cruising
thru them seems to absorb huge quantities of my time.

That said, however, my favorite spot to periodically check for info is
RootsWeb's accumulated archives, where one can search on any surname or
location, using the Beta-test version of htDig:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/htsearch

The response to the search gives one a list of sites to visit & pull up
pertinent info.

BPN

03/18/1999 2:53:05
Strange connectionMy sister and her husband, Martha and Glee Bridges of King Mountain, NC,
recently passed through Ft Myers, Florida and happened to picked up a copy of
the local Fort Myers newspaper and found a picture of "four young lady
students" sitting on the floor studying in a large room at the "Florida Gulf
Coast University."

The name of one of the students was: Delia Gonzalez-Poythress -- no less!!!

Can't tell much from this 'colored' newspaper picture, but she appears to be a
very attractive young lady (as all Poythress ladies are, yes they really
are!), and looks to have Spanish features and coloring. Do we have anyone in
that area that might check out this young lady........ She just may be one of
our cousins????

Bud
BPoythress@aol.com

Bud

03/18/1999 5:52:20
Internet sitesDiana DiamondI know many of you have been searching genealogy information much longer
than
I,and I'd really like to know your favorite sites or quirky sites of
interest in pursuit of family members. I am tossing a few of my own in hopes
some of you will share with me some of your favorite sites. For the ones
you've
shared in the past, thanks.

Plantation publications, no Poythress, but some related families
http://www.upapubs.com/guides/plantj10.htm

Figure your kinship

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/3043/chart.html

Find a map

U.S. Census Bureau TIGER Map
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/index.html

Link Suggestions

http://home.earthlink.net/~middleton/topten.html

Library of Virginia Digital Collection
http://image.vtls.com/

Name Search, etc.

http://www.ancestry.com/

Some Information about Children of, Daughters of, Sons of (in Michigan, but
leads outside)

http://www.execpc.com/~drg/drgll.html

Birthdate Calculator for gravestones saying he died
after...years...months...days

http://enws347.eas.asu.edu:8000/~buckner/bdform.html

My favorite Maps for Immigrating ancestors' homelands, etc. Search under
"England map" "Ireland Map"
http://www.mapblast.com/mapblast/start.hm
http://www.geocities.com/

Of course there is the poythress site
at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Just for fun, PG-13, for with Scottish ancestors, Check out "A WEE PEEK
UNDER A SCOTSMAN'S KILT...."
http://www.angelfire.com/on/lummus/Scotland.html		03/18/1999 9:46:06
William E.Debbie:

Re death certificate......I have to admit that I'm not sure when Ga. began
issuing death certificates (I want to say 1915 to 1920) but I make it almost
certainly to be MUCH later than William's death in 1907. In addition, as much
paperwork as was required of a widow to get a state pension for Confederate
service, there is just no way they wouldn't have required the husband's death
certificate if that were a certification that existed.

Before we get to who William E. IS we ought to settle who he is NOT so we
won't be going up blind alleys. The EARLIEST child of Meredith Poythress, Jr.
was George Washington Poythress b. 1819 and we have William E. born 1829 so
neither Meredith, Jr. nor any of his sons is a likely father. Meredith, Sr.
had no sons named William and he would be too old to have William E. for a son
anyway. There is a William in Savannah whose estate records are on the
webpage but he is b. 1800 d. 1828 so rule him out.

A William Poythress registers in the 1805 Georgia Land Lottery with Meredith,
Sr. because their registration numbers are consecutive. This William's timing
could make him a grandfather to William E. but neither this William nor a son
appear in Screven County records, only William E. This would only fit if
those folks were appearing on Effingham censuses until William shows up.....we
know that crowd was on the south edge of Screven anyway.....but that's just a
shot in the dark.

I think the answer is in how Bud shows him: "b. Va." 7/11/1833. I don't
know where Bud got his "b. Va." but I'm inclined to look for William E.'s
origin in Virginia in spite of statements by William E. and his witness for
the CSA pension VARIOUSLY that he was born July, 1829 and July 11, 1830 and
had lived in Screven County "all his life". That's likely all of his life
that he remembers.....and he is some 70 or so years of age when he is doing
the applying. But there is something interesting in both dates being July
11th.

Help me out here, Bud...anybody. I'm not getting anywhere with this one.

Maynard		03/19/1999 6:08:34
Chuckle for the dayDebra FreemanI think me and "Grandma" share something in common...what about you?
Found this on another genealogy listserver I'm on. It is great!!
Debbie

GRANDMA'S DISEASE..
>
> There's been a change in Grandma, we've noticed her of late.
> She always reading history or jotting down some date.
> She's tracking back the family, we'll all have pedigrees.
> Oh, Grandma's got a hobby - she's climbing FAMILY TREES.
>
> Poor Grandpa does the cooking, and now, or so he states,
> That worst of all, he has to wash the cups and dinner plates.
> Grandma can't be bothered, she busy as a bee,
> Compiling genealogy for the FAMILY TREE.
>
> She has no time to babysit, the curtains are a fright,
> No buttons left on Grandpa's shirt, the flower bed's a sight.
> She's given up her club work and the soaps on TV,
> The only thing she does nowadays is climb the FAMILY TREE.
>
> She goes down to the courthouse and studies ancient lore,
> We know more about our forebears than we ever knew before.
> The books are old and dusty, they make poor Grandma sneeze,
> A minor irritation when you're climbing the FAMILY TREE.
>
> The mail is all for Grandma, it comes from near and far,
> Last week she got the proof she needs to join the D.A.R.
> A monumental project all do agree,
> All from climbing up the FAMILY TREE.
>
> Now some folks came from Scotland, some from Galway Bay,
> Some were French as pastry, some German all the way.
> Some went West to stake there claims, some stayed there by the sea.
> Grandma hopes to find them all, as she climbs the FAMILY TREE.
>
> She wanders through the graveyard in search of date and name,
> The rich, the poor, the in-between, all sleeping there the same.
> She pauses now and then to rest, fanned by a gentle breeze,
> That blows above the Fathers of all our FAMILY TREES.
>
> There are pioneers and patriots, mixed in our kith and kin,
> Who blazed the paths of wilderness and fought through thick and thin.
> But none more staunch than Grandma, whose eyes light up with glee,
> Each time she finds a missing branch for the FAMILY TREE.
>
> Their skills were wide and varied, from carpenter to cook,
> And one, alas, the records show, was hopelessly a crook.
> Blacksmith, weaver, farmer, judge - some tutored for a fee.
> Once lost in time, now all recorded on the FAMILIY TREE.
>
> To some it's just a hobby, to Grandma it's much more,
> She learns the joys and heartaches of those that went before.
> They loved, they lost, they laughed, they wept - and now, for you and me,
> They live again in spirit, around the FAMILY TREE.
>
> At last she's nearly finished and we are each exposed,
> Life will be the same again, this we all supposed.
> Grandma will cook and sew, serve cookies with our tea.
> We'll all be fat, just as before the wretched FAMILY TREE.
>
> Sad to relate, the preacher called and visited for a spell.
> We talked about the Gospel, and other things as well.
> The heathen folk, the poor and then - twas fate, it had to be,
> Somehow the conversation turned to Grandma and the FAMILY TREE.
>
> He never knew his Grandpa, his mother's name was.....Clark?
> He and Grandma talked and talked, while outside it grew dark.
> We'd hoped our fears were groundless, but just like some disease,
> Grandma's become an addict - she's hooked on FAMILY TREES.
>
> Our souls are filled with sorrow, our hearts sad with dismay.
> Our ears could scarce believe the words we heard our Grandma say,
> "It sure is a lucky thing that you have come to me,
> I know exactly how it's done. I'll climb your FAMILY TREE.

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William E & Martha J. Pension papersDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
Thanks for the forwards documents for Wm & Martha. I was looking through
all the pages and I found Martha's death certificate. It has her parents'
names listed - father - Thomas Usher - mother - Jane Hanna -
both born in Screven County as was Martha J, so the paper says.
Isn't that interesting?!! Another Usher! Married Dec 7 1857
Where can I find Wm E's death certificate? It says he died Dec 23 1907 in
Screven Co. I am hoping his will list his parents' as well. That would
hopefully put me into someone family - yours or Bud's...I hope.
Also there was a T. (Thomas) M. Hodges of Screven Co that had been
"acquainted" with Wm E. "all of his life" and was in the same regiment as
him. Could Thomas M. Hodges have been related to him? Anybody know any
Hodge families connected to the GA Poythress'...Bud, what do you think?
It seems I get more information on the women that marry these guys then I
do on the guys themselves. What is up with that?

Wm E. m. Martha J. Usher
son - Thomas Boston m. Julia Ann Usher
son - Thomas Ralph m. Verna Mae Bryant
son - John Robert m Caroline Mary Stoner
ME and Diane

Ok - where do you suggest I look next? Go to Bob Peavy and see what he
knows? Go directly to Vital Info and request his death Cert? What do you
think?
Thanks for all the help. I love it!
Debbie		03/19/1999 6:47:26
Chuckle for the dayCharles NealYup

Thanks!
Barbara

03/19/1999 9:28:39
GA Death CertificatesCharles NealDebbie,

I hope someone else more familiar with GA records can give some hope on
finding something about hopefully any local death registration of the death
of Wm E Poythress in Dec 1907, because my Handybook for Genealogists says
that the Vital Records Service, State Dept of Human Resources, in Atlanta,
has birth & death records from 1919 to the present. It also says "Death
certificates are also issued at county and state offices, but their indexes
are closed to the public."

Maybe Bob Peavy would be best to consult next?

Keep me posted if you find out anything that will help!

BPN		03/19/1999 9:28:41
Re: Strange connectionInteresting, Bud. The WhoWhere site indicates there are 20 Poythress
households in Florida and no Gonzalez-Poythress households anywhere. -LPB

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:52:20 EST BPoythress@aol.com writes:
>My sister and her husband, Martha and Glee Bridges of King Mountain,
>NC,
>recently passed through Ft Myers, Florida and happened to picked up a
>copy of
>the local Fort Myers newspaper and found a picture of "four young
>lady
>students" sitting on the floor studying in a large room at the
>"Florida Gulf
>Coast University."
>
>The name of one of the students was: Delia Gonzalez-Poythress -- no
>less!!!
>
>Can't tell much from this 'colored' newspaper picture, but she appears
>to be a
>very attractive young lady (as all Poythress ladies are, yes they
>really
>are!), and looks to have Spanish features and coloring. Do we have
>anyone in
>that area that might check out this young lady........ She just may be
>one of
>our cousins????
>
>Bud
>BPoythress@aol.com
>
>Bud
>

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Re: William E. & Martha J. Pension papersDebbie:

Thanks for "Grandma's Disease" poem!

And in reference to message of subject William E. Poythress, I haven't any
prior information on him to add. I will reaffirm however, that when I visited
those cemeteries in Screven County, GA at the beginning of my Poythress
genealogy research and looking for a connection to my family line, we just
copied everything we could find. And a little later on we discontinued
looking for those we 'then determined' were NOT connected with us ('us' then
being my sister and myself).

With that in mind, we wrote down all the names with birth and death dated as
were shown on the many grave markers. But at the time of our visit to the "2"
cemeteries, one -- the Newington Baptist Church Cemetery actually located 'in'
Newington where we found only one Poythress couple buried (Carl C. & Beatrice
E. Poythress) and the other -- North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery,
located about 2 miles north of Newington with a number of Poythresses buried.
It was this second (North) cemetery where we found burial sites for William E.
& Martha J. Poythress, as well as Thomas Ralph & Verna H. Bryan Poythress.

I had not connected "Thomas Ralph" to William E. Poythress until I see you had
him listed as the son of William E. The grave markers listed only the years
in their case (i.e. Thomas Ralph Poythress, b. 1897 & d. 1946 and Verna Mae
Bryan b.1908 & d. 1945; and we found only "1" child buried there next to their
sites, "Joann - (b. 1936 & d. 1937)"

The 1960 Screven County census listed William E. (age 27) and Martha J. (age
19) Poythress with only 1 child Sarah J. (age 1) with William being born in
GA.
And you might want to keep in mind that we once saw a census record that
indicated William E.'s father was born in MD!!!??? Could that be telling us
something? - I don't recall any Poythresses in Maryland. Were there any? If
this was true, could this be the question we need to search for -- Was it
William E. or William E.'s father who 'first' came to Georgia?

Sorry Debbie, but it's nothing like keeping the waters muddy!

Take care,

Bud		03/20/1999 2:02:26
William E PoythressCharles NealBud,

I notice in your message of 24 Jan 1999 captioned "Re: Cemetery List" that
you wrote:
"William E. Poythress - (b. 7/11/1833 in VA & d. 12/23/1907); married
Martha J. -?- - (b. 6/4/1841 & d. 1935) - both are buried in North
Newington Baptist Church Cemetery."

Then today in your message captioned "Re: William E. & Martha J. Pension
papers" you mentioned that originally you and your sister had written down
"all the names with birth and death dated as were shown on the many grave
markers" for Poythresses.

Can you please look back at what you & your sister had originally written
down, to see if it was indeed William E. Poythress' gravemarker that showed
his as being born in VA? I know I have seen that on other gravemarkers
thru the years, so maybe that is indeed where it came from.

Thank you so much for all your help on these Screven Co deceased
Poythresses.

Best to you & Merle (Oh, and I almost forgot that I wanted to ask you:
What is Merle's birthdate?),

Barbara (BPN)		03/20/1999 5:23:31
Alma PoythressVictoria L. GermanI am helping a friend do research on her great grandmother, Alma
Poythres. She doesn't have access to the internet. Do you have any
information on Alma Porythress; specifically if there are any Peters in
the line? victoria

03/20/1999 9:09:15
Thomas James PoythressCharles NealBud,

Back in early Feb soon after you got back from your quick trip to Apollo
Beach, you wrote, addressing Maynard & Debbie, a message that mentioned in
passing that you were speculating whether or not the father of Wm E
Poythress might possibly "just might have been the William Poythress,
reportedly as a brother who accompanied my and your g-g-g-grandfather
Thomas James Poythress from VA down to Burke County, GA in the 1780s"

I sure would appreciate it, Bud, if you would fill me in on Thomas James
Poythress some. I know that Maynard had listed a Thomas Poythress as being
the father of Meredith Poythress, Sr., but if I've seen it, I surely don't
recall what sources mentioned:
- a middle name for Thomas;
- anything about a brother William reportedly accompanying him;
- and what indicated that Thomas came down to Burke Co, GA from VA in the
1780s.

If you know anything else about him, such as who he married; who his kids
were; when & where he was born, married, & died; heaven knows any of that
would be great, too.

Sure would appreciate your help in filling him in some for me.
Thanks for any help you can offer,
Barbara (BPN)		03/20/1999 9:20:51
Alma PoythressCharles NealVictoria,

I'm more than willing to check and see if we have anything, but it sure
would help if you can tell us when and where Alma Poythress lived, and who,
when, & where she married? If you can't get from your friend Alma's exact
dates of birth, marriage, & death, then even some approximates would help.

Barbara Poythress Neal ("BPN" for short)
> > >

Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:09:15 -0500
From: "Victoria L. German"
Subject: Alma Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

I am helping a friend do research on her great grandmother, Alma
Poythres. She doesn't have access to the internet. Do you have any
information on Alma Porythress; specifically if there are any Peters in
the line? victoria		03/20/1999 10:12:30
Vital Records Index North AmericaPat AutryI just received the "Vital Records Index North America" from Family
History Resource File of LDS which I ordered for $19.

My opinion is that it is a ripoff. Someone had posted a note about it
on one of several rootsweb lists that I subscribe to.
I thought that it might help with a couple of 1800 ancestors I'm having
trouble with and that it might also authenticate info I have from some
family lineage books that were not too great as far as reference source.

Can you believe that it has NOTHING for the state of Virginia which the
software & CD manual acknowledges? Although the software acts like it
has something for North Carolina, it does not list North Carolina in the
manual & searches which I made as a test, meaning I thought that there
was no way it would not be on the CD, & came back with "00".

If the CD manual has any validity, it migth be worthwhile for someone
researching Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, and to a lesser extent Alabama,
IllinoisIowa, Kentucky, & Maine. It's obviously worthless for VA, NC,
SC-you know, just 3 of the 13 original colonies, and also pretty much
for Kentucky, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, California, Florida, Rhode
Island,etc,etc,etc.

Don't bother ordering it unless you verify from them that it has info
for what state you interested in. They should be able to tell you how
many counties it covers for the state. Those above, it covers only one
or two counties if at all. That's fine if the state only has a few
counties but NC currently has 100 and coverage of 1 or 2 doesn't cut
it.

Is this the kind of availability that 's gonna be at the lds.org beta
site, Family Search? I am FAR from impressed.		03/21/1999 2:57:38
Fw: [PRYOR-L] Susannah Poythress Pryor, b. VA 1747Randy Jones-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Diamond
To: PRYOR-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 10:05 AM
Subject: [PRYOR-L] Susannah Poythress Pryor, b. VA 1747

>Does anyone have Susannah Poythress Pryor, ne Poythress, in their line or
>any information. Susannah Poythress Pryor, b.Va. 1747, d. 25 Jan 1817,
>Mercer County, KY. Her brother was Rev. Francis Poythress; her sister
>Elizabeth Poythress Penniston, b. Va. d. Ky.1818. Any information you may
>have would be helpful?
>
>
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Re: Alma PoythressKENNETH POYTHRESSGuess I am one that has been lurking and looking.
My name is Kenneth Poythress from Wilson NC.
My grandmother was Alma Mercer Poythress also from Wilson.
She was born July 1901 and d. May 1977
Married to Roscoe Mack Poythress in 1917 died 1965
Dont know if this is same Alma Poythress that you are looking for.
But saw the name and had to come out, have enjoyed seeing all the
conversations about Poythress, hope to join in more.
-----Original Message-----
From: Victoria L. German
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 11:12 PM
Subject: Alma Poythress

>I am helping a friend do research on her great grandmother, Alma
>Poythres. She doesn't have access to the internet. Do you have any
>information on Alma Porythress; specifically if there are any Peters in
>the line? victoria
>
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>		03/21/1999 7:42:42
Re: Alma PoythressCharles NealDear Kenneth,

Thanks so much for joining in here on this! I have some other Alma
Poythresses in my collection, but had not known anything of your
grandmother, and had not even known of your grandfather before, so it was
really great to learn of this couple! Can you please fill me in on Roscoe
Mack Poythress, too, especially as to
- when & where he was born
- who were his parents
- where he and Alma Mercer married
- and who were all the children of this couple?
Surely would appreciate it -

Oh, and since you are in Wilson, maybe you could suggest an easy-to-find
location in Goldsboro, NC, for some people who have not been there before,
to meet for lunch on a Monday, coming from the west on US 70 and from the
south on US 117?

Thanks for any help you can give, on Roscoe and/or on Goldsboro.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
= = = = = =

From: "KENNETH POYTHRESS"
Old-To: "Victoria L. German" ,

Subject: Re: Alma Poythress
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:42:42 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Guess I am one that has been lurking and looking.
My name is Kenneth Poythress from Wilson NC.
My grandmother was Alma Mercer Poythress also from Wilson.
She was born July 1901 and d. May 1977
Married to Roscoe Mack Poythress in 1917 died 1965
Dont know if this is same Alma Poythress that you are looking for.
But saw the name and had to come out, have enjoyed seeing all the
conversations about Poythress, hope to join in more.

-----Original Message-----
From: Victoria L. German
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 11:12 PM
Subject: Alma Poythress

>I am helping a friend do research on her great grandmother, Alma
>Poythres. She doesn't have access to the internet. Do you have any
>information on Alma Porythress; specifically if there are any Peters in
>the line? victoria		03/21/1999 8:40:28
Re: Vital Records Index North AmericaPat.....can't really say that I disagree with you about the questionable value
of the LDS's "Vital Records Index of North America". I sprung for 19 bucks
for the things myself. Omitting Virginia also struck me at first as a
cardinal sin. But, in retrospect and at the very least, my subjective call is
that it was just plain dumb.

However, I believe one has to cut the LDS folks considerable slack:

First, their hearts are probably in the right place.... it is unrealistic to
expect folks in Salt Lake City to think that things that happened in Virginia
amount to much, seven U. S. presidents and being the cradle of the real United
States (plural) notwithstanding, the LDS have their own separate mission and I
don't regard it as particularly "political". Good for them.

Second, the good that the LDS people did in microfilming every rinky dink
courthouse archives in the country and putting the microfilmed material in the
respective state archives is worth its weight in gold. My call is that we
just have to take the "Saints" on good faith.....there is just no way in the
world those dedicated and sincere people would run a deliberate rip-off .
Perhaps uninformed in this instance certainly, but not dishonest. I doubt if
they can even MAKE six CD's for
19 bucks.

Third, and perhaps the most important, omitting Virginia records may well be
just Freudian. It's just the price you pay for the transcendence of being a
Southerner. You aren't one of those folks laboring under the delusion that
Reconstruction is really over, are you?

But hey, I guess this ain't metaphysics. I bought those CDs myself. So I'm
out nineteen bucks. I just reckon myself 19 bucks smarter.....or maybe better
put: nineteen bucks less stupid.

Would I "dis-recommend" the things to anybody else? Absolutely. Would I bad
mouth the LDS crowd? Nah, not particularly....what's nineteen bucks compared
to all the great stuff they have done for the genealogy biz?

What's my point? Gee, I'm not sure. But I feel better having said it And I
wouldn't argue with your opinion....the CD's ain't anything to write home
about. Anybody who wants a set is welcome to mine.

Maynard		03/22/1999 8:29:29
Wm Poythress & Sarah M RossCharles NealI saw reference to a marriage of a William Poythress to a Sarah M. Ross, in
Chatham Co, GA on Aug 8, 1823. That year of marriage doesn't seem to fit
with any of the Williams I'm familiar with.

Does anybody know of a William Poythress who this could be?

Thanks,
BPN		03/22/1999 9:33:17
Re: Wm Poythress & Sarah M RossBarbara......see Poythress, William, estate of, Savannah 1828......it's
posted on the page. I'm almost positive this is the husband of Sarah M. Ross
and so wrote it up.

While I feel comfortable with this marriage as any (which is to say: not very)
, I am no closer to figuring out who this William is. If I just had to take a
wild guess, and part of this is on a hint from Martha Dixon, I'd say he is
prodigal son of George Poythress, who along with his wife Hetty, we know went
to Savannah the Christmas following William's August, 1823 wedding, contracted
typus, and is buried in Savannah.

MP		03/23/1999 3:13:22
Re: Death date W. E. PoythressAttaboy, Bud, I just knew it was December but after all I was the guy who
"published" it as July a couple of years back and I'm happy to have you bail
me out for having a senior moment.

Maynard

03/23/1999 3:18:27
Re: Wm Poythress & Sarah M RossCharles NealThanks, Maynard! I have your write-up; guess I just haven't entered him
into the system yet.

BPN

03/23/1999 6:13:35
Re: Alma PoythressCharles NealBruce asked me to forward to the whole List this response she sent earlier.
Below that, I am also recopying her message that did come to all of us,
directed to Kenneth.

Bruce, I still would really like to know more about these people in this
line. Can you send me whatever will enlighten me on (at least roughly) when
& where these folks were?
Thanks
BPN

= = = =
From: Portermom1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:52:22 EST
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
Subject: Re: Alma Poythress

Hey All,

I replied to Victoria directly in regard to Alma Poythress with Peters
connections. That is a line of mine and Jean Spille's. I gave her dates and
additional names so she can check to see if it matches. If it does, her
friend
is related to Jean and I through the unconnected (as of yet) line of James
W.
Poythress b. 1796 who married Sarah Crowder.

BGP
= = = =

Kenneth,

I replied directly to Victoria, however now that I see your note, do you
know
if your Alma Mercer Poythress was daughter of Jarrett Poythress and Nina
Peters?? The one I have was which matches Victoria's question. She didn't
give
dates but am awaiting her response.

B G Porter		03/23/1999 6:22:28
ResourcesWhen I went to Georgia Dept of Archives and History last month the
librararian, Mr Howard Hancock let me know of the web site for GDAH. it
is . I found it useful and informative
site.When I wanted to let you all know about it, I made the mistake of
sending this as "send page". I forgot to request it as "send in plain
text". The rootsweb cant handle fancy fonts because f the bytes required
to do it. Patti

03/23/1999 10:58:09
Re: Alma PoythressKENNETH POYTHRESSNo my grandmother Alma Mercer Poythress was Poythress by marriage, Mercer
was her maiden name.

-----Original Message-----
From: Portermom1@aol.com
To: kpoyth@bbnp.com ; poythress-l@rootsweb.com

Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Alma Poythress

>Kenneth,
>
>I replied directly to Victoria, however now that I see your note, do you
know
>if your Alma Mercer Poythress was daughter of Jarrett Poythress and Nina
>Peters?? The one I have was which matches Victoria's question. She didn't
give
>dates but am awaiting her response.
>
>B G Porter		03/23/1999 11:45:40
Re: Alma PoythressKenneth,

I replied directly to Victoria, however now that I see your note, do you know
if your Alma Mercer Poythress was daughter of Jarrett Poythress and Nina
Peters?? The one I have was which matches Victoria's question. She didn't give
dates but am awaiting her response.

B G Porter

03/23/1999 11:57:06
Noah Dortch-1770For those of us researching the Dortch-Poythress connection, here is a
timeline entry for Noah Dortch in Mecklenburg. This was posted to the
Mecklenburg page.
BPW

In the Mecklenburg County VA Deeds 1765-1771 Bk 1&2 abstracts by TLC
Genealogy, p 106, the following is shown:

p 484 May 19, 1770 from Stephen hatchell of M, to Austin Wright of M, for
70#, a certain tract of land of about 150 acres in M and bounded by Flatt
Cr, Robert Goode, Neds Branch, Laban Wright, said Hatchell. Signed-Stephan
Hatchell. Wit- Ja Williams, Noah Dortch, Wm Lucas Jr. The deed was
acknowledged by Stephen Hatchell and Mary, his wife. Recorded Sept 10,
1770.		03/24/1999 6:01:27
W. D. PoythressCraig R. ScottFound in Blandford Cemetery, Petersburg

William D. Poythress
Born 11 July 1834
Died 29 January 1919

Beloved Brother & Uncle

His obituary in the Petersburg "Daily Index Appeal" 31 January 1919 read:

Funeral of W. D. Poythress

The funeral services of William Demoble Poyhress (sic), who died early
yesterday morning at his home, 415 Mistletoe street will be held this
morning at 11 o'clock from the grave at Blandford Cemetery.

Mr. Poythress was one of the oldest and most widely known citizens of
Petersburg, as he was born and spent all of his life here. He was the
great-great grandson of Col. William Posthress, a descendant of the first
settlers of Petersburg.

Mr. Poythress is survived by an adopted daughter, Miss Annie I Taylor and
one adopted sister, Miss Lena V. Hetney, both of this city.

The Blandford Cemetery entry for this burial says:

William D. Poythress
parentage: Eliz. Dewat
died 29 January 1919
Appoplexy
age 83 - 6- 18
b. City

Anybody know this man?

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Proprietor, Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications
03/24/1999 9:08:52
Re: http://www.heritagequest.com/genealogy/CD-ROM/html/reasons.htmlDebbie.....I just took a look at this one as you asked and I'm impressed.

1) the biggie: they claim that by Sept. '99 they will have the entire U. S.
Census digitally reproduced with search and scan and zoom and "print negative"
features....
wow! The comment that 1 roll of microfilm would equal one CD-ROM is a little
bit of a stopper in terms of buying it outright. I'd rather rent their
service for $40 a year or whatever that number was but I don't know that I'd
want to pay that for "continuing access".

2) looks to have some good stuff for beginning genealogists on there but I'm
not sure but what that can be come by almost anywhere.

3) the "news" feature was interesting but only because their headline was an
article of interest to me....Broderbund Software and The Learning Tree merging
which will strengthen the software program Family Tree Maker in the
marketplace. This may not be an item of agreement on the "wire" because (and
this is my observation) the piece of software most people are happiest with is
the piece they have already learned.

4) I went to their "search". Even though their topics available seemed to be
places, historical events, etc. I stuck Poythress in just for kicks. Bingo,
only one item but it was #V-163-2, item4 or F2936,5 fiche Vol.4 Heroes of the
Alamo.......which listed among others, Poythress and Dortch. Having already
been to the Alamo and having not seen my name on the wall I hastened to a
Daughters of Texas site that I figured would have "the defenders" listed.
Confirmed no Poythress. I'd be curious as to what that is all about. Maybe
one could be a "hero" of the Alamo without being a "defender" of the
Alamo....wonder what it took?

Summary judgement: gee, I don't know. I guess I'd still be inclined to give
'em the
3 or 4 bucks for a month to see what it was all about. As for what to do in
September when (or "if") they get the entire census up there it will be
tempting to me. I remain surprised that no one did this 5 years ago when the
technology was around....albeit not as refined as it is today. I'd sure love
to have instance on-line access to the entire census but $40 bucks a year
seems steep.

Maybe others will take a look at the site and venture a more informed view
than I.

Maynard		03/25/1999 2:55:12
William D. PoythressI don't know any more than I did before but I sure to heck am glad to get rid
of this little 4 x 3 piece of paper with his name and dates on it.....that has
been sitting on top of my desk ever since Craig was in Louisville. Now at
least I know who the guy is, or "was" I suppose more correctly.

Maynard		03/25/1999 2:58:06
Using Batte CardsCharles NealLyn,

Last night I spent a couple of hours online at the Library of VA (LVA) site
for R.Bolling Batte's compiled research material in cardfile form. Your
guide to the Poythress cards of that collection (at our Poythress website,
which was mislabelled when posted there as referring only to Batte's "Chart
A") was helpful to me in my quest to use the cardfile.

I have some questions about using the cards, and wondered if you can give
me any tips on the following, since I realize you obviously had to have
spent a lot of time looking at them to summarize the Poythress persons
listed on the 205 cards (or 103 cards' fronts & backs). It is also
possible that one of our List members who has been monitoring the VA-ROOTS
List of the LVA may speak up and be able to point me to whether any further
help or transcripts of some of the cards' informational content may have
appeared there; I have not searched the VA-ROOTS archives yet.

Before I address my questions, let me note for you & others who may be
interested in using the 205 Poythress cards, that the specific site address
has been changed since you originally listed it for us in your 14 Nov 1997
message captioned "Mr. Batte's Decoder."

Currently, one can still get to the cardfile collection in general, at:
http://198.17.62.51/collections/BA/html
and of course can go down the Index list & highlight "Poythress" to get to
the 205 Poythress cards.

But to just go directly to the 205 Poythress cards, the current address is:
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerlll/disk8/CC/BA/029/P0399?1
For clarification, following the word "drawer" in that address, are 3
lowercase letter "L" and 2 characters further along in the address are the
numerical form of "zero" rather than being capital-letter "O"

(Earlier when you posted the site address, the characters immediately after
"drawer" were different.)

I was consulting the cards to locate the information about Susannah
Poythress who married William Hall, in order to answer a query from a
correspondent who reached me thru my listing with a state genealogical
society. [For those of you who may wonder, as I did, it turns out that my
correspondent is NOT from the same Hall line as the William B. Hall who
published the various studies of Poythresses in 1933-era articles that
appear in Boddie's books.]

Thanks to your spreadsheet, I knew that
(a) Susannah had no card of her own, but her name appears on card # 173 of
205
(b) Batte listed her father as Thomas Poythress of Martins Brandon, who
first is listed on card # 172 of 205, and
(c) Batte listed the spouse of Thomas Poythress as Elizabeth Pleasants
Cocke, first appearing on card #58 of 205.

All of this gave me a great start!

Then, consulting Thomas' card #172 and subsequent cards #173 thru #175, I
could see that Batte listed the parents of Thomas Poythress as John
Poythress & Mary Batte, on card #172. I could also see that on the right
side of the cards, he listed some various references to information he had
consulted, though I couldn't read what they were.

I also consulted card #58 & subsequent card #59, re Susannah's mother. On
card #58, beside the name of Elizabeth's spouse, Thomas Poythress, I could
read Batte's reference to "W8" among several other references that I could
not read. On card #59, I could see Batte wrote "See 1751 (Henrico) will of
mother, on her card." This would refer to Elizabeth Pleasants Cocke
Poythress (Mrs. Thomas Poythress), being mentioned in the Will of her
mother, Elizabeth Pleasants, Mrs. James Cocke, which was apparently
written/recorded in 1751 in Henrico Co, VA. I could have presumably plowed
thru the "Cocke" cards of Batte's cardfile and found her mother's card on
which he apparently transcribed (or perhaps abstracted) that Will.

The "W8" Thomas Poythress reference sent me back to the "Sources." I had
realized in going thru the general "Help" introduction to Batte's material
that his cardfile also includes cards for the numerous "Sources" and for
the hundreds/thousands of "Published Material Cited" from which he compiled
information.

These Source & publication cards can be found from the general site address
above, going down the Index typed list beyond all the names in alphabetical
order. For "Sources A-O" there are 25 cards, and for "Sources P-Z" there
are 33 more cards, while for "Published Material Cited" there are hundreds
of cards.

>From these, I eventually learned that "W8" would be a Will in Henrico Co,
VA.

Now, questions:
- Keeping in mind that I am still NOT accustomed to using the various
programs we have here to look at images, and to manipulate them on the
screen, is there some easy way when online looking at Batte's cards to
enlarge them on the screen so that his tiny handprinting is large enough to
be legible to my trifocal-clad eyes?

- If not, how on earth did you read all of these Poythress cards enough to
even make that great spreadsheet of yours?!?

- Has anyone anywhere, as far as you know, transcribed any of the tiny
illegibly-listed source-references on the various Batte cards? (I realize
that, chances are, if you were aware of this, we would have already heard
about it -- but just in case, I am asking)

- Do you know of any other tricks of the trade to enable me to read the
tiny handprinted references to sources on the right sides of the cards?

- Did you by any chance, back when you did your great spreadsheet, print
off and save any/all of the 205 Poythress cards? I inquire because last
night, my printing off just a few of them & of the Source cards was
extremely time-consuming. If you have hard copies of any other Poythress
cards (or any of the hundreds of cards for his Published Materials Cited),
I would be glad to pay you for photocopies of yours.

Your spreadsheet-guide to the Poythress cards in Batte's cardfile
collection has been a great help. If you are able to help further with any
of these questions, it sure would enable better utilization of the
information Batte compiled over MANY years of researching, in his 30,000+
cards. Thanks for any guidance you can give.
BPN		03/25/1999 3:58:33
Wm Demoble Poythress d. 1919Charles NealCraig,

Thank you so much for the obit on him! I have wondered about this man ever
since I saw his Blandford listing several years ago. Maybe the obit will
give us enough info to further hook him up.

Anyone recognize him from the additional info, I hope?

Thanks again, Craig!
BPN

03/25/1999 4:25:17
Mamie Poythress, dtr of Ransom (Portuguese)Charles NealHere is a corrected & expanded request for help on a Poythress, requested
from Victoria, on the Poythress great-grandmother of a friend of hers (the
friend is not online with us). I would welcome learning further about this
lady, too, so please send any helpful info to the whole Poythress-List.
Thanks,
BPN
= = = =

Maiden name: Mamie Poythress, born: 8 Mar 1897
She was "Portuguese" according to her daughter's birth certificate. From
her photograph, she appears to be Native American Indian

Mamie's parents: Horace & Laura Belle Ransom

Where the family lived (NOTE, a couple of uncles live in Weldon, Halifax
Co, NC):
- possibly Halifax Co, NC;
- possibly Halifax Co, VA (just w. of Mecklenburg Co, VA);
- possibly Henrico Co, which is in VA, up by Richmond, VA

Mamie married: Anthony Richard Stevenson, who was later shot & killed by a
family member

Some inlaws of Mamie's: John & Mollie Peterson		03/26/1999 12:44:05
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To especially: Barbara (BPN), Barbara (BPW), Debbie, Diana and Maynard:

Just received the following message from another of my "kissing cousins" and
is self explanatory.

This "Cuz Doris" is connected/related to me only by marriage since she is a
direct descendant of the Martha "Virgin"(ia) Flake who was the 2nd wife of
John White Poythress (my g-grandfather). But then if I or we can connect up
with her g-g-grandfather Nathaniel Harper Poythress we might be able to claim
a even closer relationship with Doris too -- and then he was even married a
"Flake" also......

Of course you may recognize that the Goshen Methodist Church Cemetery takes in
many of my direct kin (including a lost 'brother' who died at birth and shown
as Item (6) in her 'Goshen' report); whereas the North Newington Baptist
Church Cemetery list many Poythresses you guys are/were tracing. The Middle
Ground Baptist Church Cemetery, one that Maynard mentioned recently too, is
new to me and I have no idea where it is actually located nor who "Elmon G.
Poythress" was or to what Poythress line he belongs -- but he's of my
generation.

Hope some of this info may be interesting if not useful to some of you.

Take care, ... Bud
====================================================

In a message dated 3/27/99 4:56:24 AM Atlantic Standard Time,
grannie_d@msn.com writes:

<< Hi Bud,
Glad to hear from you. The cemetery info is from several cemetery books
that I came across at the library in Macon, GA. I have not been able to
connect Nathaniel Harper POYTHRESS, who was my g-g grandfather, to any of
the Screven POYTHRESS'. I believe that I saw on a census record that he or
his father was from NC. Nathaniel's wife was Rachel Flake and Elaine and I
are cousins.
The info from Goshen is:(1). Viola M. POYTHRESS; died August 21, 1916; age
18 years; coping around grave and engraved in coping at
"Mother".----(2.)William H. POYTHRESS; born December 15, 1848; died June 5,
1927 (on same stone) (3.) Janie E. POYTHRESS; born April 23, 1863; died
March 10, 1928; (coping around both graves and engraved at the foot
opposite above names "Father" and "Mother")----(4.) Infant daughter of Mr.
and Mrs. T.H. POYTHRESS; born November 11, 1935; died November 12,
935. ---( 5.)(Added August 23, 1975- Metal Undertaker Marker) Theodore M.
POYTHRESS; 1911- 1975.---- (6.) Infant son of Mr. and Mrs. J.E. POYTHRESS;
March 18, 1925. That's all that was in the Gohsen section.

At Middle Ground Baptist --- 1. Headstone: "POYTHRESS"---Footstone: nothing
here; (a) Elmon G. POYTHRESS; Georgia; Tec. 4 U. S. Army; World War II;
born January 25, 1919; died February 15, 1974. Only one listed here.

Page 117 -- North Newington Baptist : (1) Bessie M. POYTHRESS, born March
26, 1887, died August 11, 1966; (on same stone) (2) James C. POYTHRESS, born
November 24, 1885, died July 20, 1950. (3) William Joseph FALLIGANT, born
November 15, 1878, died February 11, 1943 (Footstone: "Husband") ( on same
stone) (4) Bessie POYTHRESS FALLIGANT, (NO Dates) (Footstone: "Wife") (5)
Julie Ann Usher POYTHRESS, born February 6, 1873 with the 73 underlined,
died June 24, 1940. (On some stone)- (6) Thomas Boston POYTHRESS, born April
7, 1860, died May 13, 1937 ("Mother - "Father" in coping around both
graves.;(7) Ina M., daughter of T.B. & Julia A. POYTHRESS, born May 19,
1904, died February 12, 1905 (Footstone: "I. M. P."); (8) Sheddie W.., son
of T.B. & JUlia A. POYTHRESS, born July 10, 1902, died July 21, 1903
(Footstone: "S. W. P.); (9) Wm. E. POYTHRESS, born July 11, 1833, died
December 23, 1907 (Footstone: "W. E. P."); (10) Martha J. POYTHRESS, born
July 4, 1841, died December 8, 1935 " A tender mother, faithful to her
trust, even unto death" ; (11) Idella POYTHRESS, born January 5, 1859, died
January 26, 1883, (Footstone: "I. P."); (12) Gazzie H. POYTHRESS, born
February 22, 1879, died February 4, 1969, (Footstone: "Father") (on same
stone) (13) Beulah B. POYTHRESS, born November 19, 1896, died (blank)
(Footstone: "Mother" --this stone has not been placed in its proper place.
It is near headstone.); (14) Robert L. POYTHRESS, born January 2, 1867, died
February 10, 1935 (Footstone: "R. L.P.") (15) Mother-Mrs. E. D. POYTHRESS,
born April 28, 1861, died May 2, 1946. This was all that was listed in this
book. Check on the dates of your William and Jane as there seems to be a
wrong date.
Sorry this is so long . It's either e-mail or snail mail my cousin. See, I'm
still claiming you. Joke-- You can tell a red-neck if he hasn't a fork in
his family tree.
Later Cuz,
Doris >>

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Hi Bud,
Glad to hear from you. The cemetery info is from several cemetery books
that I came across at the library in Macon, GA. I have not been able to
connect Nathaniel Harper POYTHRESS, who was my g-g grandfather, to any of
the Screven POYTHRESS'. I believe that I saw on a census record that he or
his father was from NC. Nathaniel's wife was Rachel Flake and Elaine and I
are cousins.
The info from Goshen is:(1). Viola M. POYTHRESS; died August 21, 1916; age
18 years; coping around grave and engraved in coping at
"Mother".----(2.)William H. POYTHRESS; born December 15, 1848; died June 5,
1927 (on same stone) (3.) Janie E. POYTHRESS; born April 23, 1863; died
March 10, 1928; (coping around both graves and engraved at the foot
opposite above names "Father" and "Mother")----(4.) Infant daughter of Mr.
and Mrs. T.H. POYTHRESS; born November 11, 1935; died November 12,
935.---( 5.)(Added August 23, 1975- Metal Undertaker Marker) Theodore M.
POYTHRESS; 1911- 1975.---- (6.) Infant son of Mr. and Mrs. J.E. POYTHRESS;
March 18, 1925. That's all that was in the Gohsen section.
At Middle Ground Baptist --- 1. Headstone: "POYTHRESS"---Footstone: nothing
here; (a) Elmon G. POYTHRESS; Georgia; Tec. 4 U. S. Army; World War II;
born January 25, 1919; died February 15, 1974. Only one listed here.

Page 117 -- North Newington Baptist : (1) Bessie M. POYTHRESS, born March
26, 1887, died August 11, 1966; (on same stone) (2) James C. POYTHRESS, born
November 24, 1885, died July 20, 1950. (3) William Joseph FALLIGANT, born
November 15, 1878, died February 11, 1943 (Footstone: "Husband") ( on same
stone) (4) Bessie POYTHRESS FALLIGANT, (NO Dates) (Footstone: "Wife") (5)
Julie Ann Usher POYTHRESS, born February 6, 1873 with the 73 underlined,
died June 24, 1940. (On some stone)- (6) Thomas Boston POYTHRESS, born April
7, 1860, died May 13, 1937 ("Mother - "Father" in coping around both
graves.;(7) Ina M., daughter of T.B. & Julia A. POYTHRESS, born May 19,
1904, died February 12, 1905 (Footstone: "I. M. P."); (8) Sheddie W.., son
of T.B. & JUlia A. POYTHRESS, born July 10, 1902, died July 21, 1903
(Footstone: "S. W. P.); (9) Wm. E. POYTHRESS, born July 11, 1833, died
December 23, 1907 (Footstone: "W. E. P."); (10) Martha J. POYTHRESS, born
July 4, 1841, died December 8, 1935 " A tender mother, faithful to her
trust, even unto death" ; (11) Idella POYTHRESS, born January 5, 1859, died
January 26, 1883, (Footstone: "I. P."); (12) Gazzie H. POYTHRESS, born
February 22, 1879, died February 4, 1969, (Footstone: "Father") (on same
stone) (13) Beulah B. POYTHRESS, born November 19, 1896, died (blank)
(Footstone: "Mother" --this stone has not been placed in its proper place.
It is near headstone.); (14) Robert L. POYTHRESS, born January 2, 1867, died
February 10, 1935 (Footstone: "R. L.P.") (15) Mother-Mrs. E. D. POYTHRESS,
born April 28, 1861, died May 2, 1946. This was all that was listed in this
book. Check on the dates of your William and Jane as there seems to be a
wrong date.
Sorry this is so long . It's either e-mail or snail mail my cousin. See, I'm
still claiming you. Joke-- You can tell a red-neck if he hasn't a fork in
his family tree.
Later Cuz,
Doris

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Re: Mamie Poythress, dtr of Ransom (Portuguese)Barb,

Thanks for the dates, etc. on Mamie Poythress. Giving that her birth
certificate lists her as "Portuguese" she will fall somewhere in line with
Jean Spille line and my husbands. I do not have a Mamie Poythress listed in
our tree, however there were a number of Poythress brothers that fit the right
time frame for her to have married one them.

Victoria,
If she was a Ransom by birth, who was her 1st husband? I am assuming he was a
Poythress. The brothers I mentioned above were born 1869 through 1893. Looks
like a good chance she may have married one of them, later divorced or widowed
and remarried Stevenson.

Any thoughts anyone??

BGP		03/27/1999 4:12:48
Poythress Portuguese Line from Peter?Charles NealWell, folks, I apparently made a blooper by sloppily interpreting
Victoria's message to me. When Victoria said Mamie's parents were "Horace
& Laura Belle Ransom" it seems apparent to me now that she meant Horace
POYTHRESS & Laura Belle Ransom. (We all tend to leave out the "Poythress"
now and then, which can prove to be confusing in such matters.)

This now matches up with some info that A.Lynn Poythress sent to us in a
couple of messages on 28 Jan 1999, saying that her husband, Horace Leroy
Poythress, was descended from Horace Frederick Poythress (her husband's
greatgrandfather) who married a Laura Belle Turner, who supposedly had some
Indian blood in her.

These makes it sound to me like Laura Belle Ransom and Laura Belle Turner
were one & the same woman -- And as to which was her maiden name, I would
guess from those tidbits above that Turner was the maiden name & Ransom was
a first husband, but again I don't have much to go on here.

From A.Lynn's message, even though she had no dates for Horace Frederick
Poythress, she had dates for his son, called "Jack" -- Frederick Elmo
D'Arthur Poythress, who was b.14 Jun 1901, and who d.22 Apr 1963, and who
was buried at the Maplewood Cemetery in Wilson, Wilson Co, NC.

This makes it sound like it would be worth checking records in Wilson
County, which is a little bit south of Halifax Co, NC, by the way.

Now, I've also gotten a little more info that will help out, from Jean
Poythress, who has the grunge this weekend (& who has also emailed
Victoria): "this is my line and you have
everything on it i have. horace is the son of luvel and mandy turner
poythress, lovel is the brother of my ggrandfather, richard and both are
the sons of james and sarah crowder poythress."

And I dug around and found some info from previous messages from Bruce
Porter, too.

Thus I'm now trying to incorporate everything into one query for the above
seekers, Victoria, A.Lynn, and Jean who will hopefully correct me if they
know any of this to be wrong. And I may not have found all the pertinent
messages' of info to incorporate here, so if any of you have additional
info, please let the whole List know!
Thanks,
BPN

= = = =
More info would be welcome on the following line, which is thought to
perhaps be descended from Peter Poythress, Indian trader:

James Poythress (b.1796), who marr Sarah Crowder on 13 Jan 1826 Northampton
Co, NC

Had children, at least including (names & dates of these from Bruce's
message 21 Apr 1998):
- William, b.1830, m.Emmeline
- James W., b.1832, m. Rebecca O. High on 29 Nov 1870
- Luvel Poythress, who marr Amanda ("Mandy") Turner, (part Indian, per
Bruce's message of 21 Apr 1998)
- Sterling, b. 1840
- Joseph, b. 1843-1850, m. Hattie or Katie
- Richard P, b.1847, m. Ada Turner (part Indian; sister of Amanda)
- Adiline, b.1858
- Julia, m. John Bass on 3 Sep 1866

Luvel Poythress & Mandy Turner had at least one son:
- Horace Frederick Poythress, who marr Laura Belle Ransom/Turner (maybe
Laura Belle's maiden name was Turner) who supposedly had some Native
American Indian blood. No dates are available yet for him, but From the
below children, it is apparent that Horace must have been born before 1880.

Horace & Laura Belle had children:
- dtr Mamie Poythress, born: 8 Mar 1897 (See my question below, by Laura
Belle)
Mamie was "Portuguese" according to her daughter's birth certificate (&
from her photograph, she appears to be Native American Indian). Mamie
married Anthony Richard Stevenson, who was later shot & killed by a family
member. Some inlaws of Mamie's were John & Mollie Peterson.
- dtr Laura Belle (for whom no dates are available): I wonder whether
"Mamie" could have been her nickname, to distinguish her from her mother,
Laura Belle?
- son called "Jack" -- Frederick Elmo D'Arthur Poythress, who was b.14 Jun
1901, and who d.22 Apr 1963, and who was buried at the Maplewood Cemetery
in Wilson, Wilson Co, NC. On 20 Dec 1924, Jack married Bertha Lee Forbes
(she was b.21 Oct 1903, d.21 May 1990)
- dtr Annie (for whom no dates are available)
- Bill (William) (for whom no dates are available)
- Calvin (for whom no dates are available)
- Robert Lee (for whom no dates are available)		03/27/1999 6:34:02
Re: Poythress Portuguese Line from Peter?Pat AutryI'm still looking for Martha J. Poythress O'Neal, mother of Josephine O'Neal
Johnson. Josephine was my paternal grandmother, my father was Raymond Horace
Johnson, and my
brother is R. Horace Johnson, Jr. I've noticed before that "Horace" &
"Lewis" is within the Poythress family; Raymond's brother was Charles Lewis
Johnson. The fact that I've been told by one relative that there might be
Portuguese from our Poythress line makes me think that I'm somehow part of this
one. the search continues. Pat

Charles Neal wrote:

> Well, folks, I apparently made a blooper by sloppily interpreting Victoria's
> message to me. When Victoria said Mamie's parents were "Horace & Laura Belle
> Ransom" it seems apparent to me now that she meant Horace
> POYTHRESS & Laura Belle Ransom. (We all tend to leave out the "Poythress"
> now and then, which can prove to be confusing in such matters.)
>
> This now matches up with some info that A.Lynn Poythress sent to us in a
> couple of messages on 28 Jan 1999, saying that her husband, Horace Leroy
> Poythress, was descended from Horace Frederick Poythress (her husband's
> greatgrandfather) who married a Laura Belle Turner, who supposedly had some
> Indian blood in her.
>
> These makes it sound to me like Laura Belle Ransom and Laura Belle Turner
> were one & the same woman -- And as to which was her maiden name, I would
> guess from those tidbits above that Turner was the maiden name & Ransom was
> a first husband, but again I don't have much to go on here.
>
> >From A.Lynn's message, even though she had no dates for Horace Frederick
> Poythress, she had dates for his son, called "Jack" -- Frederick Elmo
> D'Arthur Poythress, who was b.14 Jun 1901, and who d.22 Apr 1963, and who was
> buried at the Maplewood Cemetery in Wilson, Wilson Co, NC.
>
> This makes it sound like it would be worth checking records in Wilson County,
> which is a little bit south of Halifax Co, NC, by the way.
>
> Now, I've also gotten a little more info that will help out, from Jean
> Poythress, who has the grunge this weekend (& who has also emailed
> Victoria): "this is my line and you have
> everything on it i have. horace is the son of luvel and mandy turner
> poythress, lovel is the brother of my ggrandfather, richard and both are the
> sons of james and sarah crowder poythress."
>
> And I dug around and found some info from previous messages from Bruce
> Porter, too.
>
> Thus I'm now trying to incorporate everything into one query for the above
> seekers, Victoria, A.Lynn, and Jean who will hopefully correct me if they
> know any of this to be wrong. And I may not have found all the pertinent
> messages' of info to incorporate here, so if any of you have additional info,
> please let the whole List know!
> Thanks,
> BPN
> = = = =
> More info would be welcome on the following line, which is thought to perhaps
> be descended from Peter Poythress, Indian trader:
>
> James Poythress (b.1796), who marr Sarah Crowder on 13 Jan 1826 Northampton
> Co, NC
>
> Had children, at least including (names & dates of these from Bruce's message
> 21 Apr 1998):
> - William, b.1830, m.Emmeline
> - James W., b.1832, m. Rebecca O. High on 29 Nov 1870
> - Luvel Poythress, who marr Amanda ("Mandy") Turner, (part Indian, per
> Bruce's message of 21 Apr 1998)
> - Sterling, b. 1840
> - Joseph, b. 1843-1850, m. Hattie or Katie
> - Richard P, b.1847, m. Ada Turner (part Indian; sister of Amanda)

> - Adiline, b.1858

> - Julia, m. John Bass on 3 Sep 1866
>
> Luvel Poythress & Mandy Turner had at least one son:
> - Horace Frederick Poythress, who marr Laura Belle Ransom/Turner (maybe
> Laura Belle's maiden name was Turner) who supposedly had some Native American
> Indian blood. No dates are available yet for him, but From the
> below children, it is apparent that Horace must have been born before 1880.
>
> Horace & Laura Belle had children:
> - dtr Mamie Poythress, born: 8 Mar 1897 (See my question below, by Laura
> Belle)
> Mamie was "Portuguese" according to her daughter's birth certificate (& from
> her photograph, she appears to be Native American Indian). Mamie married
> Anthony Richard Stevenson, who was later shot & killed by a family member.
> Some inlaws of Mamie's were John & Mollie Peterson.
> - dtr Laura Belle (for whom no dates are available): I wonder whether
> "Mamie" could have been her nickname, to distinguish her from her mother,
> Laura Belle?
> - son called "Jack" -- Frederick Elmo D'Arthur Poythress, who was b.14 Jun
> 1901, and who d.22 Apr 1963, and who was buried at the Maplewood Cemetery in
> Wilson, Wilson Co, NC. On 20 Dec 1924, Jack married Bertha Lee Forbes
> (she was b.21 Oct 1903, d.21 May 1990)
> - dtr Annie (for whom no dates are available)
> - Bill (William) (for whom no dates are available)
> - Calvin (for whom no dates are available)
> - Robert Lee (for whom no dates are available)
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		03/27/1999 8:02:11
for challes nealhoracep8In responce to your mail to A LYN Poythress.lyn is my son horace l poythress
wife. horace frederick was my grandfather.he lived in southamton county
NC,and was a farmer all of his life.Laure was his first wife my
grandmother.i never knew her last name.they had four
sons,william,debbrahhare,oscer,and dad frederick elmo d arthur,also two
daughters,laura bella who was marred to Cat turner and lived in johnson NC
annie was married to a man named waters,i never met him.Rose was his second
wife ,they hade several offsprings, here is a few that i rember,robert
lee,rosea lee. they lived in southamton county NC. i hope this will
help.this is horacep8@cmc.net		03/28/1999 3:13:32
RANSOM connection? PLEASE SEND ME A COPYCousins,

My Poythresses spelled it PORTIS and were not of the "Portuguese" line as
far as I can tell and neither were the RANSOMS who married into the line. But
the RANSOMS who were in Halifax Co, NC before moving to Tennessee may have
been in my line. I don't know enough about that period. My Ransoms were in
that county at least from 1784 until ca 1790...before the death of JOHN PORTIS
in 1794.

CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM (1752 Isle of Wight Co, Va-1827 Murfreesboro, Tn) m. 1784
in HALIFAX CO, NC KISIAH PORTIS, dtr of JOHN PORTIS of Halifax Co NC.

I have a rather extensive database on RANSOM but I can find no LAURA BELLE.
The only LAURA at all is LAURA ADELAIDE RANSOM b. May 1855, Shelbyville,
Bedford County, Tn. Neither could I find a RANSOM-TURNER connection OR a
RANSOM-PORTIS connection other than RICHARD RANSOM & KISIAH PORTIS.

Carole

Caroline Burnett Cook
descendant of

CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM (1752-1827) Isle of Wight Co, Va-Williamson County, Tn
m.(1784 Halifax County, NC) KISIAH PORTIS dtr of JOHN PORTIS & SARAH WILDER.
These RANSOMS stayed in Halifax Co, NC for a few years and had a child or
two, but by the death of JOHN PORTIS in 1794, they were in Murfreesboro, Tn.		03/28/1999 4:29:16
Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsThe following were transcribed from microfilm at Library of Virginia on
3/23 by my mother, Beatrice Poythress Baird, and me:

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Deaths

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1861 P60,L96 Rebecca L. Stanley; W; F; 19 June 1861; of measles; age 52;
b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents L. and R. Portus [sic]; spouse of
Benj. Stanley; no source stated

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1861 P60,L97 Benjamin L. Stanley; W; M; 20 June 1861; of measles; age
23; b. Brunswick; d. Brunswick; parents Benj. and R. L. Stanley;
unmarried; source Benj. Stanley father

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1867 P88,L53 James W. Stanley; W; M; 6 August 1867; typhoid fever; age
20; b. not stated; d. Brunswick; parents B. and R. Stanley; did not get
marital status; source B. Stanley father

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 5; Deaths Brunswick; 1861-1896
1868 P90,L15 Gertrude Stanley; W; F; 11 June 1868; of s_____; age 8
months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Brunswick; parents John and Lucy Stanley;
source Benj. Stanley grandfather

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1853; unnumbered 7th page; L10 Sarah G. Dortch; W; F; 1853; of
pneumonia; age 38; b. no given; d. Mecklenburg; no parents given; spouse
Wm. A. Dortch; source husband

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1853; unnumbered 7th page; L14 Benj. J. Poythress; W; M; 1853; of
diarrhea; age 10 months; b. Mecklenburg; d. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
and L. J. Poythress; source father

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1855; P5 (1st page of 1855), L20 (112th line on page) D. Poythress
"hirer" reports death of slave owned by "B. Russell's estate"

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1874 South Hill Township L15 Bennett Poythress; W; M; no date given; of
consumption; age 8 months; b. Mecklenburg; D. Mecklenburg; parents T. M.
and Lucy Poythress; source Thos. M. Poythress father

Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics Reel 19; Deaths Mecklenburg;
1853-1896
1874 South Hill Township L19 Isaac Taylor; W; M; 12 October 1874; of
heart disease; age 81 years 6 months; b. Mecklenburg, d. Mecklenburg;
widower; source D. T. Rideout son-in-law

Among the new information this provides are the following:
-confirmation of Rebecca Poythress Stanley as daughter of Lewis and
Rebecca Poythress;
-first record of presence of Sarah Poythress Dortch in Mecklenburg
County, Va., home of her supposed father, Lewis Poythress;
-detection of two more children of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress;
-activity of David Poythress in Mecklenburg County in 1855.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Horace Frederick Poythress & LauraCharles NealHorace,

Thank you for your help.

It really helps to know that Horace Frederick Poythress had children by
both of his wives, Laura and Rose. And it helps to know the county they
lived in, too.

Do you know where your grandfather and grandmother are buried? And where
the graves are for any of the other family members who have passed on?
Knowing that could help us, too.

Thank you again so much for speaking up, and filling us in on this family.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or "BPN" for short)

03/28/1999 6:51:49
Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsCharles NealLyn,

This is fantastic. Tell me, how were these microfilmed records laid out
for using? Were they indexed at all? If so was it the same type of
handwritten Index pages that only index by the first letter of the surname,
like we find in Grantors and Grantees indexes, and in Wills, Heirs, &
Devisees indexes?

And then finding & reading thru the records, how was it?

Thanks so much for this great work.
BPN

03/28/1999 7:02:45
Answers Batte CardsAnswers to BPN's post of 3/25 re: Batte cards:

Q: Is there some easy way when online looking at Batte's cards to enlarge
them on the screen?
A: Yes. Move the cursor over the card and click once for full screen
viewing. Click back a page to return.

Q: Has anyone anywhere, as far as you know, transcribed any of the tiny
illegibly-listed source-references on the various Batte cards?
A: I am not familiar with any systematic information outside Mr. Batte's
own "Sources" and "Publications" cards.

Q: Do you know of any other tricks of the trade to enable me to read the
tiny handprinted references to sources on the right sides of the cards?
A: Let's use an example, card 84 for John, the "B" son of our dear
immigrant, Captain Francis. "P96/36" references page 36 of the
publication Batte codes P96, which appears to be Volume 4 of Boddie's
Historical Southern Families. "E19" references the order books ("E") of
Charles City Co. ("19"). This leaves the codes "42V42" and "42V". Of
these I do not readily see decoders in "Sources" or "Publications".

Q: Did you by any chance, back when you did your great spreadsheet, print
off and save any/all of the 205 Poythress cards?
A: No. I have a just a few printed out. As an alternative to printing,
you may want to consider saving each page image as an HTML file - really
fast retrieval without paper.

Barbara, let me know how this helps and any other questions you may have.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsGood questions. First, I am unaware of any indices and I believe there
are none. Some years are organized by district within the county; some
years seem to be recorded in partial alpha order; many years seem to have
no organization at all. Mother and I were reading line-by-line,
page-by-page. A few years are missing, a few years are illegible. I
would say that 90% of the years are represented and legible given
patience and a little skill on the ufilm reader. Based strictly on whom
of our families we found and did not find, I would guess the register
averages 50% to 70% coverage of actual deaths. While this would not be
statistically valid, I think of it as having some significance given the
many family names and lines we were watching for. We found that a parent
was listed for only a fraction of adult decedents, maybe less than one in
three. All in all, this register is a great resource for anyone in the
following situation:
-researching family in Virginia in the period 1853 to 1896;
-knows counties of residence;
-has generally exhausted all easier (i.e. indexed) sources.
As has been remarked on this list before, Virginia's 1853 inauguration of
systematic death and birth registers predates those of her sister
southern states by over half a century. These are distinct, valuable and
often overlooked resources.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:02:45 -0500 Charles Neal
writes:
>Lyn,
>
>This is fantastic. Tell me, how were these microfilmed records laid
>out
>for using? Were they indexed at all? If so was it the same type of
>handwritten Index pages that only index by the first letter of the
>surname,
>like we find in Grantors and Grantees indexes, and in Wills, Heirs, &
>Devisees indexes?
>
>And then finding & reading thru the records, how was it?
>
>Thanks so much for this great work.
>BPN

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for charles neal and jean spillehoracep8I have some corrections for my last email. my grandfather horace f.
poythress lived in northamton co. NC, not southamton co.Roses offsprings
were robert lee, calvin,bertha lee not rosea lee. the famley is most likely
buried in ronoaka rapids N.C, sorry about yhe misinformation. thats the way
it is when you get older.i hope this will help.horacep8@cmc.net		03/29/1999 2:46:56
Horace, Laura Belle, and MamiePoythress, LynnOk, here goes!

This is ALL the information I have, don't know how accurate is.

Jean Spille gave me the following info.

James Poythress/Portis (b. ca 1785) married Sarah Crowder Poythress
(Northampton Co. NC, Jan. 13, 1827)

They had several children -

Sterling - born 1828
William - born 1830
James - born 1832
Lovel - born 1835
Joseph - born 1843
Richard - born 1845

Lovel married Amanda (Mandy) Turner (her parents were Allen and Eliza
June Turner) - July 19, 1859 Northampton Co., NC

They had several children -

Louis
Reina
Sarah
James
Horace
Hall

Horace Portis/Poythress married Laura B. Turner (her parents were Allen
and Edderid Turner) - Nov. 23, 1889
Apparently this Allen Turner was the son of Allen and Eliza June listed
above - making them cousins.

Jean listed info. from the 1910 Northamption Co., NC census with the
following:

Poythress, Horace head age 41 widower
, Stephen, son age 16
, Brutus, son age 15
, Ozinie, daughter, age 14
, Fate (or could be Tate), son age 10
, Elmo D. , son , age 9 - apparently this is Frederick
Elmo D'Arthur (Jack) Poythress
, Essie, daughter, age 5
, Edward, son, age 3
Newsome, Lillie Mae, servant, age 22

Sarah Poythress sent me a note saying she had a copy of Stephen G.'s
death certificate - Died 17 March 1924, Vance Co., Henderson, NC. Listed
as white male, age 29. Father H.R (could this be F?)Poythress,
birthplace NC. Mother Laura Turner, birthplace NC, wife Ethel Poythress
(no maiden name) birth day, month & year unknown. Informant B.L.
Poythress (I wonder if this is his half sister Bertha L., mother Rose?)

Horace had a second wife, named Rose.

Jean sent me some info on three of their children - they are from copies
of offical school records from Bethany School, Gaston NC:

Horace Calvin Poythress - father Horace Poythress, born in 1924
Bertha Poythress - father Horace Poythress, brothers Calvin & Robert
Lee, date of birth 1927
Robert Lee Poythress - father Horace Poythress, date of birth 1930

Other siblings of Jack that have been given to me from various relatives
are:

Annie
Bill (William)
Laura Belle

I'm guessing that these were all Horace and Rose's offspring.

Oscar and Debbrahhare are new names that I haven't run across until now.

Hope this doesn't confuse the issue even more! As you can see there is
no 'Mamie' in my stuff. Also, the children of James R. and Sarah
Crowder that Jean sent me are a little different than what you have on
your list from Bruce.

I don't know if Laura Belle Ransom is the same Laura Belle Turner that
married Lovel (her parents names were Turner). I also don't know if
Mamie is the daughter of Horace and Laura Belle. If the 1910 census is
correct, then she probably isn't - unless of course Ozinie is really
Mamie. If the Laura Belle that I'm guessing is Horace and Rose's
daughter is Mamie - then the mother/daughter names aren't the same and
the Mamie nickname isn't necessary for clarity. Also if she is Rose's
daughter I don't think the 1897 birthdate would fit.

I do know Jack (Frederick Elmo D'Arthur Poythress) was b. 14 June 1901
and d. 22 April 1963 and married Bertha Lee Forbes 20 Dec. 1924 in
Wilson, Wilson Co. NC (she was b. 21 Oct 1903, d. 21 May 1990)

Hopefully others on the list can help clear things up!

Also, if there are any mistakes here, please let me know.

Lynn		03/29/1999 4:48:52
Horace PoythressJean SpilleLyn, this all seems accurate to me except a few things

Laura Belle Turner's parents were Allen Turner (JR) and Edderid Turner
Allen was the son of Allen and Eliza June Scott Turner.

I also think that the Ozinie, daughter of Horace is probably Mamie. I
just cannot read it from the microfilm copies

This is all so wonderful to see the progress being made on this line. I
talked with another descendent of Horace's on the phone last night. She
had some incredible stories to tell and I hope she will share them with
us.

Thank y'all for your support in this. Is a story that has to be told.

Jean Poythress (once again and legal to boot)

03/29/1999 5:32:34
heads up for us allTo EVERYONE
On CBS news this morning they are warning about a computer virus called
Melissa. If you get a message that has title of "Important message..."
DO NOT open attachment. It does two things. connects you to a list of
many porno sites... but the damage comes in that it runs a background
program and finds ANY email addresss you have in your system then sends
the message to all of them. It corrupted several large companies
including INTEL. Check on the website for CBS2 in los angeles. it is
that is channel two thousand in words. I thought the
channe then a one when I first read it. Patti		03/29/1999 7:49:18
heads up for us allTo EVERYONE
On CBS news this morning they are warning about a computer virus called
Melissa. If you get a message that has title of "Important message..."
DO NOT open attachment. It does two things. connects you to a list of
many porno sites... but the damage comes in that it runs a background
program and finds ANY email addresss you have in your system then sends
the message to all of them. It corrupted several large companies
including INTEL. Check on the website for CBS2 in los angeles. it is
that is channel two thousand in words. I thought
it read " channe one "when I first read it. Patti		03/29/1999 8:12:45
Horace Frederick PoythressCharles NealDear Horace,

Thank you so much for the additional information today. It really helps to
know that the correct county for your grandfather's family was Northampton
Co, NC instead of Southampton. I also really appreciate the corrected name
of his and Rose's daughter.

I have heard something else, before, about some Poythress folks probably
buried at Roanoke Rapids, and it is great to know that your grandparents
are probably there, too.

You gave me a good chuckle when you said "That's the way it is when you get
older" since I had given a friend of mine some misinformation on the phone
today, and had to call back and correct myself later. Do you mind if I ask
how old you are? Seems to me you are doing pretty good, using the
computer!

Thank you again so much for your help!
BPN

03/29/1999 11:45:00
Northampton Co, NC Poythress/Portis/PorticeCharles NealLynn & Jean,

Thank you both so much for the great listings of info on this family. Very
complete. I do hope that other family members will share with us some of
the family stories.

I don't know if either of you, or if anyone else on the List, has access to
the 1850 Census for Northampton Co, NC, but I understand that it includes:
- a James Portice household
- a Julia A. Portice household, and
- a Sterling Portice household.

I do not know what information that Census might have about any of the
members of those households; or where in the county they were; or whether
they were near to one another or not.

Obviously the James P & Sterling P households could be 2 of the sons you
listed for James Poythress/Portis (b. ca 1785) who married Sarah Crowder on
13 Jan 1827. Perhaps the Julia A. Portice is the widow of another family
member?

If anyone has access to this 1850 Census for Northampton Co, NC and could
tell us everything that is listed for all 3 of these households, it sure
could help.

Again, thanks so much Lynn & Jean for your comprehensive messages.
BPN		03/29/1999 11:45:02
Re: 1853-96 VA Deaths & Batte cardsCharles NealLyn,

Thanks so much for the additional info about using VA's Vital Records
series and the Batte cards online. Help such as yours can assist all of us
in making use of these under-used resources.

BPN

03/29/1999 12:38:42
horace f. poythresshoracep8charles and jean Ihave more information on horace f. poythress.my dad had
two other sisters named effey, not sure of spelling and mamie .she was
killed in 1951 or 52 in roanoke rapids. also i am 67 going on 12.
horacep8@cmc.net		03/30/1999 7:12:44
Re: 1850 Census1850 Northampton Co. NC Census

1156 & 1157
Ellis family

1158
James Portis 65,M
William Portis 20,M
Ja... Portis 18,M
Level Portis 15,M
Joseph Portis 7,M
Plump Portis 5,M (this was Richard)

1159
Julia A. Portis 25, F
Martha E. Portis 4,F
Celia Portis 60, F (? daughter of Odum)

1160
Hudson family
Frances Crowder 70, F

1161
Matthews family

This is the only page I have copied.

Bruce		03/30/1999 7:24:29
horace f. poythressCharles NealHorace,

Neat to hear that you're only 67-years-young -- I like the going-on-12
part!

I wasn't sure which one of your dad's sisters was killed in 1951 or 1952 in
Roanoke Rapids -- Was that Effie, or Mamie? Roughly how old would she have
been when she died?

Also, I noticed something today in some old notes from 1991, that I wanted
to ask you about. I made a note from Craig Scott, who helped me when I was
getting started in researching the Poythress lines. Craig heads up the
Poythress One-Name Study.

In the summer of 1990, a Horace Poythress was then living in Chico, CA.
That Horace Poythress (maybe you?) was from the NC & VA branch of the
Poythress family. His grandfather's name was also Horace Poythress, from
Weldon, NC, near Roanoke Rapids. He mentioned he had 2 brothers living in
Oregon & one back east.

I looked on the map, and saw that Weldon is in Halifax Co, NC, but is just
over the county line from Northampton Co, NC. When I saw that, I wondered
if your grandfather Horace F. Poythress was actually from Weldon, NC? I
know that if he lived near a county line like that, any records about the
family, such as marriage records and death registrations, might have ended
up in either county's courthouse.

Thanks for helping!
BPN		03/30/1999 10:40:24
LDS SiteCharles NealThought you might be interested in this message that was posted this
evening on the Southside VA RootsWeb Email subscription list:

Message written by INTERNET:VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com V99 #170 March
30,1999
>______________________________------------------------------		03/30/1999 10:40:29
Middle Ground Bapt Ch Cem, Screven Co, GACharles NealBud & Doris,

Thanks so much for the (forwarded by Bud from Doris) info on Saturday 3/27
listing the Poythress burials found in several cemetery books in the Macon,
GA Library, for Screven's Goshen, Middle Ground Baptist, and North
Newington Baptist cemeteries. Doris, I would really like to get from you,
please, any dates you have for when your gggfather Nathaniel Harper
Poythress lived, married Rachel Flake, and died. Also the names of his
descendants and any available dates for them would be greatly appreciated!

Bud, you mentioned that you were not clear on where Middle Ground Baptist
Church Cemetery is located. I have found it on a little 1967 map in
Appendix B of a 1982 book by Lloyd L. Evans of Newington, GA, __Evans
Family of Screven County, GA__. While I am not familiar with all the local
roads' names there, maybe you can place it from what I can tell you:

I see that Newington Church (Bapt?) is located near/at the intersection of
GA 21 and a road that runs toward N.Newington Baptist Church, and may
continue all the way over to (or may actually BE) GA 24.

Now from that intersection, if you go northwest on GA 21 toward Sylvania,
it looks from this little map like the next road that crosses GA 21 is the
road you take, turning to the right (that is, to the northeast). On that
road, name of which I don't know, very soon a second road crosses it (this
second road is coming, from the left, from further up on GA 21, and heading
over to GA 24, which it also crosses). JUST BEYOND where this second road
crosses the road you turned onto from GA 21, is Middle Ground Baptist on
the right side of the road. (This is not far before that road you are on
deadends into yet another road that is runs across from GA 21 to GA 24.

Hope this helps. Thanks again so much for the additional cemetery info for
Screven Co!
Barbara Poythress Neal (or "BPN" for short)		03/30/1999 12:05:18
1 small correction re Deed of Wm E Poythress to John R. Evans, JrCharles NealMaynard,

In the "note" you posted at the bottom of your transcription of the 28 Dec
1869 Sale of 110 acres of land for $220, [shown on p. 294 of Book U;
Screven Co, GA Superior Court Deeds & Mortgages Book U, 1868-1872, GDAH
110/51] from William E. Poythress to John R. Evans, Jr., you mentioned John
R. Evans, Jr. as "both the buyer of the land and the clerk of the court."

In learning further about the Evans family of Screven at that time, from
Lloyd L. Evans' 1982 book __Evans Family of Screven Co, GA__, I realized
that it was NOT John R. Evans, Jr. who was the clerk of the court.

An article that was in the __Sylvania Telephone__ newspaper sometime in
1911, headed "The Family Numbers 215 When Assembled: Mrs. John R. Evans,
Sr. The Head of a Family That Numbers Over Two Hundred," clarifies that
the clerk was John Jr's father: John R. Evans, Sr. [who lived from 20 Dec
1820 to 24 May 1902, and who married Elizabeth Lucas in 1844, who is the
lady mentioned in the headline] "...was for many years one of the leading
citizens of Screven, holding the office of clerk of the courts and and tax
receiver, for a long term of years."

We know from Robert L. Poythress, in a letter to Maynard dated July 15,
1992, that William E. Poythress [born 11 Jul 1833] was father of Robert
Lamar Poythress, who married Evalina "Sweetie" Evans, who was a daughter of
John R. Evans, Sr. & who was a brother of John R. Evans, Jr.

Thus John R. Evans, Jr. was purchasing the land from his sister's
father-in-law, and John's father was the clerk of the court who recorded
the sale.

BPN		03/30/1999 12:05:21
Lewis P. Taylor - Florida - VirginiaThis from the LVa online Henley Marriage & Obituary Database:
Richmond Whig & Public Advertiser, Friday, August 25, 1843 (Library of
Virginia Film 144)
Died- At his residence at Tallahassee, (Fla.) on Aug. 10, Lewis P.
Taylor, a native of Lunenburg County, Va., age 32. (p. 2, c. 6)

I am intrigued by the name "Lewis P.", so much like the name of my
favorite progenitor; coupled with the name "Taylor", so much like the
name of wife of said progenitor; coupled with the place of death,
Tallahassee, the second present-day county over from Jackson Co., last
home of the brother of my favorite progenitor; coupled with the place of
birth, Lunenburg Co., Va.; coupled with the approximate year of birth,
1811, so contemporary with the children of my favorite progenitor.
Coincidence? More than likely yes. Or could this be "Lewis Poythress
Taylor", nephew of Rebecca Taylor Poythress and namesake of her spouse,
who sought his fortune in the Florida Territory with the assistance of
George Poythress, brother of his favorite uncle? It's quite a wild hare,
and not likely to be chased by any of us soon, but I just felt like
spinning a yarn.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Jack Poythress, etc.Poythress, LynnHey,

I may have a little more info. on the Jack (Frederick Elmo D'Arthur)
Poythress family. About a year ago ancestry.com put some North Carolina
Death Records in their databases. While I'm not a subscriber, they were
available to non-subscribers for a couple of weeks. I printed out the
Poythress records ( I guess I should subscribe to get even more info!).
At any rate, I went through them last night to see if I could find
anything useful.

Bertha Poythress Scott - I'm guessing this could be Jack's sister -
mother Rose - born 1927
DOB - July 16, 1927
DOD - November 13, 1989
Race - White
Age - 62 years
Place of Occurance - Roanoke Rapids, Halifax, NC
Place of Residence - Halifax, NC
Marital Status - Divorced
State of Birth - North Carolina
Mode of Burial - Burial in state
SSN - 238387945
Father's Surname - Poythress

Laura Turner - I'm guessing this could be Jack's sister Laura Belle -
mother Rose - married Cat Turner
DOB - October 30, 1915
DOD - November 19, 1990
Race - White
Age - 75 years
Place of Occurance - Raleigh, Wake, NC
Place of Residence - Selma, Johnston, NC
Marital Status - Widowed
State of Birth - NC
Mode of Burial - Burial in state
SSN - 239840555
Father's Surname - Poythress

Benjamin Fate Poythress - could this be the Fate from the 1910 census
(age 10) - Jack's brother - mother Laura B. Turner?
DOB - March 16, 1900
DOD - April 26, 1980
Race - White
Age - 80 years
Place of Occurrance - Wilson, Wilson, NC
Place of Residence - Wilson, Wilson, NC
Marital Status - Married
State of Birth - NC
Mode of Burial - Burial in state
SSN - 244034947
Father's Surname - Poythress

Hope this helps! Anyway, I'm going to send for some vital records info
on these folks.

Lynn		03/31/1999 10:50:11
Jack Poythress, etc.Charles NealLynn,

Thanks for the super finds. Hope the death certificates will have good
additional info re parents and possibly helpful re the persons who
furnished the info, too.

I have recently been pondering whether it would be worthwhile to me to
subscribe to Ancestry online or to one of the other similar things. (Figure
that first I should catch up with what I already have, before I bite off
even more.) If any of our other List members are subscribers to such
things, I'd enjoy hearing their evaluations of them.

BPN

03/31/1999 11:40:27
Reina Poythress?Poythress, LynnHelp! I'm a little confused here.

Jean (Spille) Poythress gave the following info. in her Feb 3, 1999 note
to the list:

The Children of Lovel and Mandy Turner Poythress were :Louis, Reina,
Sarah, James, Horace, Hall,

Riner Portris age 7 is listed on the Northampton 1880 Census as the
daughter of Love and Mandy Portris.

Reina was listed as Rynis Jones on Clannar Mason Poythress Delayed
Certificate of Birth Registration. This is a mistake. She is listed
the same way on Claner Poythress Certificate of Death.

Reina's certificate of death lists her name as Rina Poythress Poythress
and lists her partents as Love Poytress and Mandy. Her date of death is
June 26, 1953.
On Perry G. Poythress's certificate of death his parents are listed as
Charlie and Rena Poythress Poythress

I'm confused with Reina. Did she marry a Jones and then marry a
Poythress? Is that why her last name is listed as Jones on the Claner
Mason Poythress birth and death certificates? Or is the name Jones just
a mistake - how do we know that? Is her marriage to a Poythress the
reason she's listed as Rena Poythress Poythress on her death certificate
and Perry G. Poythress death certificate? It seems pretty easy to
understand how her first name could be spelled differently in all these
documents, but I'm confused about her last name(s).

Thanks for trying to clear this up.

Lynn		04/01/1999 3:05:09
Re: Lewis P. Taylor - Florida - VirginiaDon't despair.....I have seen gold struck in places just as unlikely!

Maynarfd

04/01/1999 3:51:09
Poythress & CrowderCharles NealBruce,

Could you please pull out again your page that you copied from that 1850
Northampton Co, NC Census (posted info copied below), and list for me ALL
the people in the household/family #1160, Hudson family & Frances Crowder,
70 female?

I just noticed in looking back that in Jean's message of 3 Feb 1999 that a
Thomas R. Hutson [sic] was the bondsman for the marriage of James R.
Poythress & Sarah Crowder 13 Jan 1827 Northampton Co, NC (and Saml Calvert
was witness, in case you see any Calverts)

Also while you have it out, does your copy show please:
- the Post Office or area name at the top of the page
- anything in the "Color" column for any of the Portis, Hudson, Crowder
folks
- a place of birth for any of them
- an occupation for any of them
- a value of real estate owned for any of them

And while I haven't seen many marks in any of these columns on most pages
of the 1850 Census, can also please you see if your copy shows:
- anything in column 10, "Married within the year"
- anything in column 11, "Attended School within the year"
- anything in column 12, "Persons over 20 yrs of age who cannot read &
write"
- anything in column 13, "Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, idiotic,
pauper, or convict

Thanks so much for looking
BPN
= = = = From Bruce Porter "Re: 1850 Census" 30 Mar 1999:
1850 Northampton Co. NC Census

1156 & 1157
Ellis family

1158
James Portis 65,M
William Portis 20,M
Ja... Portis 18,M
Level Portis 15,M
Joseph Portis 7,M
Plump Portis 5,M (this was Richard)

1159
Julia A. Portis 25, F
Martha E. Portis 4,F
Celia Portis 60, F (? daughter of Odum)

1160
Hudson family
Frances Crowder 70, F

1161
Matthews family		04/01/1999 4:19:34
Re: Ancestry.comHello All,

Until recently, I was a subscriber on the yearly rate to ancestry.com. I found
it very helpful as a beginner and really worth the 50.00 odd dollars for one
year. I also received as a new subscriber the Ancestry magazine. Very
interesting stories and offers for books, CD's, etc. Once I had checked out
almost everything they offered I found it not very useful because the new
files added didn't pertain to areas I needed. I am still receiving their
updates on the free files and can check those out whenever. It defintely
deserves consideration for either the monthly or yearly subscription.

BGP
Bruce Porter		04/01/1999 4:44:50
Re: Poythress Portuguese Line from Peter?Pat,
I do show a Martha E. Poythress b. 1846 daughter of Julia Poythress b. 1825.
I have Julia married to John Ball 1866, not sure if that date is right or not.
If it is correct then John Bass would not be father of Martha. The 1850 census
info does show Julia, Martha and Celia Poythress all living together without
any males in residence.

BGP		04/01/1999 4:52:35
Grass FamilySheryl......haven't heard a word from those folks. And, on further
reflection, I don't guess we should be surprised. "Larry" not answering
implies to me that he doesn't have anything which I had figured was the most
likely outcome.

I guess we just struck out of this one in spite of all of the hard detective
work by you and your kind friends.

I'm going to sign off on this one.....unless YOU happen to come up with
another angle in which case I'll be happy to do whatever you think best.

Maynard

04/01/1999 5:26:13
RE: Portuguese PoythressWOW! I am having difficulty keeping everyone straight now that so many of the
"Portuguese" Poythress are popping up.

BPN--I just sent you today my file by snail mail, but now I am not sure the
info. is at all correct. All the new listings lately are confusing my names
and dates. I am not a professional researcher by any means and now am
understanding the need to keep all the sources detailed. I am in the process
of going through the latest emails on this side of the family and I don't have
the same children for Luvel Poythress that you listed from Jean, yet I am sure
that is where I got my info. also.

I have also located two Julia A. b. 1825 both with daughters Martha, one b.
1843 and one b. 1846. The 1843 Martha is listed as the child of James P. and
Sarah Crowder and the other one is listed as living with Julia A. and Celia,
possible wife of Odum.

If someone can get me straight, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

BGP		04/01/1999 9:08:28
[VACHESTE-L] Peter Vaughan & familyStarrBeth has done lots of good things for those on Chesterfield Co. VA list;
hopefully some of you POYTHRESS people have something in your databases
to share back with her. I figure with "that" as a middle name, he has to
be kin to some of you. Please write directly to Beth, not me or
the list. Linda

>From: MBond94365@aol.com
>Hi again everyone!

>
> I have already received a couple of responses to my e-mail about Peter
>Vaughan & his family. This is great. I do want to point out that I already
>know quite a bit about his children, whom I will list below and I am looking
>for any other descendants of his,too.

>
> Children of PETER VAUGHAN & MARY GOODWYN BOISSEAU

>
>1. Elizabeth VAUGHAN- b. @1787,Va.-d. 1826,Va. md. Benjamin BOISSEAU
>1811,VA.
>Elizabeth & Benjamin had five children: Peter(1812-1848),
>Devereaux(1814-1832), John G. G.(1816-1824), Mary B. P.(1818-1834) &
>James(1821-1853).
>

>
>2. Martha VAUGHAN- b. @1790,Va.- d. bef. 1830 md. James Holt BOISSEAU
>@1812, Va.

>
>Martha & James Holt had one son; James Poythress(1813-1892)

>
>

>
>3. Lemuel Holt VAUGHAN,my ancestor,- b. 1794,Va.-d. Feb. 1826,Dinwiddie
>Co.,Va.
>as I said before he md. Thyrza Holt BOISSEAU(actually a daughter of the
above
>Benjamin BOISSEAU by his 1st wife, Mary Eppes)

>
>Lemuel Holt & Thyrza Holt had two sons; Benjamin Boisseau(1819-1881) & James
>B.(1823-1868)

>
>

>
>4. Peter E. VAUGHAN- b.@1795,Va.-d.July 19, 1826,Dinwiddie Co., Va. md.
>maybe twice, only marriage I have is to Sarah W. HUNT Dec. 18, 1822,Va.

>
>Peter E. & Sarah had two girls; Mary Boisseau(1823-1889), Hannah
>Thomas(1825-1827)

>
>

>
>5. Ann(Nancy) B. VAUGHAN- b.1796/99,Va.- d. 1832, Va. md. twice: 1st to
>Thomas Holmes BOISSEAU @1815,Va.

>
>Nancy & Thomas had one daughter; Mary G.(1816-1877)

>
>After Thomas' death in 1819, Nancy remarried to John Patrick COGBILL in
1820,
>they had no children together

>
>

>
>6. James B. VAUGHAN- b. 1799, Va.- d. 1828, Dinwiddie Co., Va., unmarried

>
>

>
>

>
>By the way, Peter VAUGHAN, son of Salathiel & Anne, married again after his
>wife Mary's death in 1799. He married to Martha BOISSEAU his 1st wife's
>sister,1799-1800 and they had two sons; Alfred Jefferson(1800-1871),
>Benjamin Joseph(1805-1873). After Peter's death in 1816, Martha married
again
>to Burwell ALDRIDGE, they had no children together.

>
>

>
>Well, like I say, if anyone is related to any of these people, please write
>to me, am looking for distant cousins. Beth
>
>
>		04/02/1999 2:33:56
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Barb,

I can't read much at the top, mine is a copy of Jean's.
2---------3--------4--------5--------6-----------7----------8--------------9--
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hse#----name------age-----sex-----color-------no title-----Value....------no
title

1156
Thomas Ellis-23-m sleigh maker----25(Value)
Susan Ellis-36-f
Richard W. Ellis-5-m
William T. Ellis-4-m
Latitia F. Ellis-1-f

1157
James Ellis-35-m (could be none)
Mary Ellis-57-f
Rebecca Ellis-25-f

1158
This starts James Portis, no colors listed at all, employment looks like
none, definetly not farmer

1159
Julia Portis---same no color, employment or Value

1160
Thomas Hudson-57-M-none
Elizabeth Hudson-36-f
James Hudson-18-m
Fanny Hudson-16-f
Francis Crowder-70-f

1161
William G. Matthews-50-M-Farmer
Martha Matthews-50-F
William Matthews-22-M
Rebecca Matthews-16-F
Edwin Matthews-15/18-M
Robert Matthews-13-M
unk Matthews-11-M

That is the only page I have and it does not show locality at top, Jean wrote
in 1850 Northampton Co. Good possibility it was Gaston Township.

Also, a piece of the 1830 census Northampton Co. shows p.129
James Poytress w/1 male under 5, 1 male over 40/under 50, 1 female under
5---don't have the rest of the sheet

John Portress 1 male over 40 under 50 and no more info.

These two are listed on the sheet that says "Free White Persons"

Unless Jean has more, will need to research these years again.

Bruce

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Bruce,

Could you please pull out again your page that you copied from that 1850
Northampton Co, NC Census (posted info copied below), and list for me ALL
the people in the household/family #1160, Hudson family & Frances Crowder,
70 female?

I just noticed in looking back that in Jean's message of 3 Feb 1999 that a
Thomas R. Hutson [sic] was the bondsman for the marriage of James R.
Poythress & Sarah Crowder 13 Jan 1827 Northampton Co, NC (and Saml Calvert
was witness, in case you see any Calverts)

Also while you have it out, does your copy show please:
- the Post Office or area name at the top of the page
- anything in the "Color" column for any of the Portis, Hudson, Crowder
folks
- a place of birth for any of them
- an occupation for any of them
- a value of real estate owned for any of them

And while I haven't seen many marks in any of these columns on most pages
of the 1850 Census, can also please you see if your copy shows:
- anything in column 10, "Married within the year"
- anything in column 11, "Attended School within the year"
- anything in column 12, "Persons over 20 yrs of age who cannot read &
write"
- anything in column 13, "Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, idiotic,
pauper, or convict

Thanks so much for looking
BPN
= = = = From Bruce Porter "Re: 1850 Census" 30 Mar 1999:
1850 Northampton Co. NC Census

1156 & 1157
Ellis family

1158
James Portis 65,M
William Portis 20,M
Ja... Portis 18,M
Level Portis 15,M
Joseph Portis 7,M
Plump Portis 5,M (this was Richard)

1159
Julia A. Portis 25, F
Martha E. Portis 4,F
Celia Portis 60, F (? daughter of Odum)

1160
Hudson family
Frances Crowder 70, F

1161
Matthews family

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Lewis P. Taylor - Florida - VirginiaCharles NealLyn,

Definitely an interesting yarn, and one regarding which it is worth keeping
our eyes open when checking FL resources. Thanks for the keen eye, in
spotting it. Do you have any info about any siblings' names, for Rebecca
Taylor?

One possibility worth checking when one of us has time to do so, is the GLO
BLM (General Land Office, Bureau of Land Management) online site,
for any entries in FL for Lewis P. Taylor.
If an entry is found, there is sometimes helpful info in their file from
the National Archives.

BPN

04/02/1999 6:30:44
Crowder-Hudson-Portis NC Northampton 1850Charles NealThanks, Bruce for pulling your photocopy from the 1850 Census of
Northampton Co, NC back out. Those 2 adjacent PORTIS households (one all
the males under James age 65; next door all females under Julia age 25,
including Celia Portis age 60) sound like they could be a big
related-extended family that split the sexes for whatever
convenience-reasons.

Of course, just within itself, the all-male household of James Portis could
be a recently-widowed James with all the sons that he & Sarah had from
their January 1827 marriage, almost 23 years before this Census.

And then the very next household, having Hudson folks Thomas age 57,
Elizabeth 36, James 18, Fanny 16, and Francis Crowder ag 70 female, does
make it sound to me like this would be the same Thomas R. Hutson [sic] who
was bondsman for the marriage of Sarah Crowder to "James Poythress/Portis"
(quoting how Jean posted the marriage info on 3 Feb 1999; I don't know
which spelling "Poythress" or "Portis" is on the marriage record) back in
January 1827.

Back at the time of the marriage, 23 years before this Census, this Thomas
Hudson would have been age 34 and certainly qualified age-wise to be
bondsman for James & Sarah's marriage.

Perhaps Francis Crowder, age 70 in the Hudson household, was Thomas
Hudson's mother-in-law or aunt or some other relation, and may also have
been related to the Sarah Crowder who had married James R. Poythress/Portis
in 1827, and who is gone from these households by 1850.

It's a shame none of those on your photocopy show any place of birth, but
if that column is blank it generally means that the person was born in that
state (NC, in this case). Also the fact that the "color" column is blank,
generally means that the person appeared to be white to the census taker.

Thanks again for your help.
BPN
= = = =
1850 Northampton Co. NC Census

[first # is dwelling number]

1156
Thomas Ellis-23-m sleigh maker----25(Value)
Susan Ellis-36-f
Richard W. Ellis-5-m
William T. Ellis-4-m
Latitia F. Ellis-1-f

1157
James Ellis-35-m (could be none)
Mary Ellis-57-f
Rebecca Ellis-25-f
Francis Crowder-70-f

1158 (no colors listed at all)
James Portis 65,M, employment looks like none, definitely not farmer
William Portis 20,M
Ja... Portis 18,M
Level Portis 15,M
Joseph Portis 7,M
Plump Portis 5,M [this was Richard]

1159 -same no color, employment or Value [of Real Estate]
Julia A. Portis 25, F
Martha E. Portis 4,F
Celia Portis 60, F [? daughter of Odum]

1160
Thomas Hudson-57-M-none
Elizabeth Hudson-36-f
James Hudson-18-m
Fanny Hudson-16-f
Francis Crowder-70-f

1161
William G. Matthews-50-M-Farmer
Martha Matthews-50-F
William Matthews-22-M
Rebecca Matthews-16-F
Edwin Matthews-15/18-M
Robert Matthews-13-M
unk Matthews-11-M		04/02/1999 11:11:24
Reina Poythress?Charles NealLynn,

I haven't seen any of the various certificates that Jean referred to in her
3 Feb 1999 message, so I don't know when the delayed certif of birth
registration for Clannar/Claner was done, or who furnished the information
for it. My understanding is that, in general, these kinds of certificates
could be done when the person himself/herself as an adult submitted any
sort of proof about the birth, or earlier when the parent submitted any
sort of proof.

Death certificates will generally show who was the "Informant" giving the
information about the deceased person. Sometimes the only person around to
inform the authorities about the deceased person is merely a neighbor or a
doctor or a distant relative -- sometimes one of the children of the
deceased. Rarely is the mother of the deceased around to be acting as the
Informant & answering what her maiden name was. At any rate, it is NOT
always a correctly-knowledgeable person who truly knows the answers to all
the questions.

So unless we could see all the documents Jean mentioned, or complete
transcripts of each of them, we don't have much basis for judging which
(if any of them) is more correct.

Perhaps at the time Clannar/Claner's delayed birth registration, and again
at the time of his/her death, Reina's last name was then-currently "Jones"
and whoever was giving the proof thought that was her maiden name, and then
maybe at the time of Perry G Poythress' death, and Reina's own death, a
more knowledgeable person was the Informant.

BPN		04/03/1999 1:12:39
RE: Portuguese PoythressCharles NealBruce,

Re "I am in the process of going through the latest emails on this side of
the family and I don't have the same children for Luvel Poythress that you
listed from Jean, yet I am sure that is where I got my info also."

In that message, I actually only listed one child for Luvel, saying he &
Mandy Turner had "at least one son: Horace Frederick Poythress"

I only listed one child because at that time, I didn't have in front of me
Jean's info that Lynn has since quoted in Lynn's 3/29/99 message "Horace,
Laura Belle, and Mamie" which lists 6 children, one of which is Horace.

Perhaps you were looking at the children in one of the other generations I
listed in the "Portuguese Poythress" message of 3/27/99.

Re your statement "I have also located two Julia A. b. 1825 both with
daughters Martha, one b.1843 and one b. 1846. The 1843 Martha is listed as
the child of James P. and
Sarah Crowder and the other one is listed as living with Julia A. and
Celia,
possible wife of Odum."

Depending on where it was you saw the "1843 Martha listed as the child of
James P & Sarah Crowder," it might actually be the same Martha -- Censuses
are notorious for having ages listed incorrectly, for various reasons. Back
in the times of at least the 1850 & 1860 & earlier Censuses, the
census-taker did not record the relationship of the people in the household
to one another, so we cannot always assume the children in the house were
the offspring of the older people in the house.

I agree, though, it is VERY confusing. I hope we can get it all figured
out.
BPN		04/03/1999 1:12:41
Re: John W. Poythress & Wm M. PoytrissPat AutryYou got probably already have this info but saw it today as I was
searching some USGenWeb sites. Maybe it will help somebody. Pat

FRANKLIN COUNTY, NC - CEMETERIES - Joyner Cemetery
John W. Poythress husband of Eva Arrlington Joyner (dau. of
John Edgar b.1841)
B. Dec.1, 1887
D. Aug.10, 1893
It has been said that Eva is buried here and also Havannah Patience
Collier the wife of John Edgar Joyner b. 1841) You can tell that some
of the graves have been broken or carried off.

I copied all of the above from a cemetery site on NCGenWeb today.

From a roster of Spanish American war that was on NCGenWeb:

SECOND NORTH CAROLINA REGIMENT COMPANY I
WM. M. POYTRISS ROANOKE RAPIDS, NC
PRIVATE

POYTRISS, WM. M.......................68		04/03/1999 2:54:51
Re: Lewis P. Taylor - Fla. Land PatentsNice idea but it came up blank, at least as well as I could search it.
Searched the patents (both patentees and guarantors) for all Lewis Taylors
after Lewis P. came up blank. There is a Lewis Taylor patenting land but he
is late, late 1800's and a long way from Gadsden County.

Maynard		04/03/1999 4:45:45
Re: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsAs far as I know the death registers were state-wide during the period.
There may be some missing counties, but I am unaware of them. Of course,
during 1853-1860 the West Virginia counties would also be included I
assume. Happy hunting. -lpb

On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:23:05 0 frances l Etheredge
writes:
>Hi Lyn! I'm new on the Poythress research team. I just read your
>apparent response to a query in regards to a Virginia death record.
>As I missed the query, please advise
>is the record for all Virginia counties are just one or more? I plan
>to attend the NGS conference and do research on a Richmond family for
>the 1850-1900 ti me period.
>At this point I need all the guidance and help I can get to do a quick
>and fruitful search.
>Any tips you can give will be very much appreciated. Frances
>Etheredge

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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]		04/03/1999 9:24:10
LDS Family OriginsThe beta site (www.familysearch.org) is up and going. As advertised it is
still being worked on "in trial" and is quite crowded for the moment. I hope
the LDS folks will provide plenty of bandwith for this baby because he's not
going to do much crawling......he's going to start out at a full run.

(Parenthetically, I want to copy Helene Pockrus on this as there will be some
specific questions in the list below that I'm guessing she will have the
answers to.
Unfortunately my AOL crashed yesterday and my "address book" vanished into
thin air.....so, BPN, would you mind forwarding this to Helene? Many thanks.)

Although generally the program is too crowded to get into for more than a
moment or two at a time, I found a "seam" yesterday afternoon and was able to
stay on quite a while until I was politely told the thing was just
jammed.....typical for a beta site, no big deal.

However, I was on long enough to come away with some observations specific to
Poythress and suggesting "general" for the rest of it. In those instances
where I'm mildly critical, the problem is likely that I haven't learned to
use the technology rather than a flawed system.

1) Only the surname "Poythress" into the search engine brings up 225 entries.
The "discriminant" function is quite good. Virtually all of our known
variant spellings are in there along with only a few obvious clinkers
(Potter, etc.) that can be easily ignored because one just doesn't have to
"select" them. Whatever discriminant function LDS used is far, far superior
to any associated with Soundex. The LDS one was put together by folks who
knew what they were doing.

2) the entries (numbers 1 through 75) that looked "legit" from the UK were
all over the place in Gloucestershire, principally in three small towns:
Newent, Tirley, and Hausfield. Some of the same were also in Herfordshire.
These spellings were all over the map but predominant were those dropping the
"h", having only one "s" or replacing the "y" with an "r". There is evidence
that a couple or so of these people migrated to London.

Another variant, generally showing up as "Poytheras", is far down on the
Cornwall pennisula. I'm not sure what to make of this one. It would be
"handy" to ignore it; there is not much there. But one is likely to go
through the Glouster area to get to Cornwall so I don't think we can afford
to dismiss it out of hand. Plus, as "different" as it may look, the
phonetics are right on the button.

3) The first 150 entries began to get discouraging because they are largely
obscure
"single" (or almost single) entries with few relationships and an absolute
ton of duplicates (remember LDS accepts whatever anyone sends them so
duplications are to be expected). On further reflection, I suppose I was
favorably impressed with how few duplications there actually were. I doubt
if anyone or anything particularly deserves any "credit" for this; it merely
reflects the fact that we are dealing with a relatively obscure name and
therefore not all that much available research "proportionately" anyway.

4) at about entry # 75 the "string" jumps from the UK to the US. For the US,
all the usual suspects are there.

5) this is likely my ignorance but in order to "save" the entries to disk as
opposed to printing them one has to be able to handle an ".asp" suffix,
whatever that is. I'm sure there was some good reason for this but it sure
made it difficult for me to deal with. I wound up printing it all on
"paper"....a real pain.

5) beginning with entry # 150 the game begins to get interesting because the
entries are those that submit family group sheets, sources, and pedigrees on
the pages "behind" the front page. I had some problem getting the pedigree
diagrams to print without going off the page but I'm guessing that's my
problem. The famly group sheet format is great. Also included in some
entries is the name of the "submitter".....it strikes me that might have a
slight tendancy to keep the submitter honest if he or she is going to put a
name with the submission. Whether the information is right or wrong there is
a lot of it and it's well "linked" so I think it will have some real
opportunities for us.

6) Also, beginning with entry # 150, one runs into a couple of problems that
I suspect are largely a matter of "breaking the code". For example, Richard
Bland who married
Ann Poythress is a fairly common entry for us. In the IGI Richard's name is
followed in capitals in parenthesis: (AFN: 9WVQ-12). What I REALLY hope is
that this is the number by which "all" of THIS particular Richard Bland is
known and that a record somewhere in the LDS system is indexed by this number
and contains all of the documentations for that individual. That's almost to
good to expect. It would go an awfully long way toward fixing what looks to
be the only consistent "flaw" in the IGI, that is, that the LDS folks had no
practical way to verify all this stuff so there is a lot of misinformation
from submitting individuals.

7) whatever entries are brought up on a particular "search" are numbered.
For example, if one searched Ann Poythress and there were 12 entries they
would be numbered from 1 through 12 on THAT "index". One then clicks on the
individual "name" for the background on that particular person......HOWEVER,
the individual detail sheets produced (which is what we'll want to KEEP) are
not numbered. This presents a potential problem where we will always be
stumbling over each other with "different" numbers or.....having to explain
which particular Ann one is talking about.

My suggestion for this is for each of us to bring up the search for just the
surname "Poythress" and print the "index" with the numbers on it. We will
therefore have
something less than 250 Poythresses of one spelling or another but at least
we will all be "singing off the same page" if we want to refer to an indexed
individual by IGI number for clarity. (Printing the index will amount to only
about a 15 or so pages).

Summary: just a wonderful research tool. I for one am looking forward to
using it, primarily when documentation is "hooked" to an individual or event.

Helene, tell the boys and girls that they hit a mighty lick with this one. I
can well imagine that they didn't exactly key all this stuff in over a
week-end!

Maynard		04/05/1999 5:22:34
Re: disappearing address booksForgot to tell you , 1.you print from the file command in Word pad after you
paste it not paste special. 2. you can minimize the amount of stuff on your
screen by goin into VIEW before you hit the print screen button. Turn off your
tool bars and just click on the words not icons. It gives me an extra three
lines of text per print screen. You can do any thing on any screen you can see.
No need to buy extra print screen programs yet!

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Bless you.....I've been trying to do that almost forever (print address
> book). It's going to be a pain to rebuild it but at least I'll now have it.
> Thanks again.
>
> Maynard		04/05/1999 9:47:49
Re: disappearing address booksBless you.....I've been trying to do that almost forever (print address
book). It's going to be a pain to rebuild it but at least I'll now have it.
Thanks again.

Maynard

04/05/1999 10:25:00
Roll Call for POYTHRESS-LCliff TownsendMaynard I hope this help. But you know you could have ask everyone to
send you a note and then you could have clicked on it to install it in
your address book.
sheryl
ps let me know if you get this

Roll Call for POYTHRESS-L

John M. Poythress - VKRatliff@aol.com
Ruth O. Kauffman - kauffman@acnet.net
J.D. Weeks - jdweeks@earthlink.net
hermitage
Lou Poole - lpoole@dallas.net
Barbara Jean Poythress Spille - jspille@bellatlantic.net
Debra Freeman - debfebneb@qnet.com
Cindy Lambert - CLamb5582@aol.com
Kevin N. Poythress - KPoythress@aol.com
Sarah Poythress - sarahp@gloryroad.net
Lyn Poythress Baird - llbaird@juno.com
Kenneth Larsen - larsen@zephyrnet.com
Linda Starr - starr81@ix.netcom.com
Diana C. Diamond - DiamondDPC@erols.com
Craig R. Scott - willowbend@mediasoft.net
Phyllis B. Lassiter - plass@3rddoor.com
Barbara Poythress Neal- BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
A. Lynn Poythress - poythressa@compctr.ccs.csus.edu
Elise Courtney H. Markham - wry@phoenix.aye.net
Patti P. Koscheski - pattited@smartlink.net
Sheryl Rowell Townsend - cctowns@thenett.com
Pat Graves Reagan
Bruce G. Porter - Portermom1@aol.com
Judy Speed Scruggs - was638@alltel.net
W.A. Wall
Steve Wall
Caroline Burnett Cook (Carole)
Bud Poythress
Kenneth Poythress
Al Tims - atims@minn.net
Barbara Prestridge - webmaster@prestridge.com
Carol Garrett
Helene Pockrus - txphlp44@enol.com
Doris Odom
Lea ?
JBV ? - jbv@aol.com
Teressa Willis
Barbara (BPW)
Pat Autry
Steven Weems - SteveW602@aol.com
Julian P. Bell - belljp@juno.com
? - Hammett906@aol.com		04/05/1999 10:29:31
Re: Reina Poythress?Barb & Lynn,
I am looking at the Delayed Certificate of Birth of Claner Mason Poythress,
County of Northampton, State of North Carolina (the number 632 is in upper
right hand corner)

Name: Clanner Mason Poythress Born: March 22, 1900

Sex: Male Birthplace: Garysburg, NC County: Northampton

Father: Charlie Poythress
Color: White (I have his picture and the features are NA) Birth Year: (it's
typed then typed over, looks like 1882)

Mother: Rynie Jones
Color: White Birth Year:1877
Both born Northampton County, NC

Abstract of Evidence:

Date of birth established by Bible record and affidavit.

Dated: March 29.1943

I also have his death certificate:

Date of Death: 8-27-52 Other facts: White, male, married, farmer Date of
Birth 3-20-1900 Age at last birthday 52, father-Charlie Poythress, mother's
maiden name Hermie Jones (in () is written Renia).

Informants name and address: Mrs. Claner Poythress, Gaston, NC

Claner happens to be my husbands grandfather. I have his picture also, and
features are caucasion.

On Rina death certificate (also have copy) it does list her name as Rina
Poythress Poythress, father-Love Poytress, mother Mandy (?)
Other facts: Her date of birth 6-8-1882 Age: about 78 Death: 6-26-1953.
Informant: Terry Poytress, Garysburgh, VA

Any questions, let me know.

BGP		04/05/1999 12:15:57
Re: Reina Poythress?To All,

Does anyone know when NC started keeping birth records??????

BGP

04/05/1999 12:17:08
disappearing address booksMaynard,
I am on Netscape with my server. Mine did the same thing couple months
ago. A friend told me that once I rebuilt it, to print it out... I
couldnt , I thought.She showed me.. you push your print screen button
once. The go to _windows accessories_ and open up -Word pad-. Then go
into -edit- and click on 'paste'. The whole screen you see will go to
your word pad screen. It took 4 times because I have 200 names betweeen
family, and art assoc. Now I have a hard printout as a back up in my
file cabinet on PAPER>
Patti		04/05/1999 12:53:18
Francis & Rebecca Coggin lineDebra FreemanHey Maynard,
What do you know about the Francis and Rebecca Coggin's family line? I
don't remember reading anything about any work done on that line. Diane
was asking me about it this past weekend when I was in Phoenix for Easter.
I told her I would ask you, since it might be possible that we are from
that line - since I doubt we are from John and Christian Peebles' line.
She wants me to start looking there as well.
If any one else has any info I'd appreciate hearing about it.
Thanks
Debbie

04/06/1999 6:03:14
Back In BusinessTeresa WillisI am happy to say I'm back on the list. I still can't figure out exactly
when I got booted(or what ever happened) but it seems to be around the
middle of March. I found about 10 post that I had not received in the
archives. I could not figure out how to retrieve them by date, so I just
pulled up Poythress which gave me 550 of 600 and some. Well maybe I didn't
miss so much. If any of you have directed something directly to me, send it
again. I think it could have been from the trouble I was having from my
internet provider. If I had been more active I would have noticed this
sooner. Thanks for all the responses.

Back In Business

Teresa		04/06/1999 6:20:27
Minnie PoythressSource unknown but note that before marriage she was from Sumter County, AL.
Thought this might interest you especially, Barb:

THE BAKER COUNTY PRESS, Thursday November 21, 1977 Page Two
THE WAY IT WAS-Gene Barber
The Daring Minnie Poythress
Part 1
Not all pioneers came to Baker County during Territorial Days and not all who
arrived after the Civil War were from the North. In December of 1926 Charles
William Poythress hit town in a Ford touring car with a stack of elegantly
framed oil paintings tied on top. To the rear were two carloads of Blacks
including one ex-slave. In the car with him were his wife, Minnie, his
mother-in-law, his children and an aunt-in-law. They had arrived from Alabama
to take employment at the Griffin Nursery Company.
The young wife, Minnie, was accepting another gamble and daring to take still
another chance. Born in Livingston. Alabama, the daughter of David W. and
Helen Gillespe Mitchell, Minnie grew up in the cultural atmosphere of Alabama
Normal College (incorporated 1883, and now known as Livingston). One of her
first dares was to attend college. If that was not bad enough for a
respectable young lady at the turn of the century, she confounded matters by
studying art - a shameless waste of ability and time in anyone, especially a
woman.
She studied academic oil painting and china painting, producing canvases of
superior quality as well as cabinets-full of priceless decorated china. At
the end of her course of studies, she graduated in 1907.
When her father died, Minnie, an only child, suggested to her mother that
they return to the old Gillespe Plantation Belmont in Sumter County, Alabama,
and try their hands at farming. The artist laid aside her brushes for the hoe
and assisted the Blacks in tilling the soil.
Next door lived and farmed the handsome Mr. Vernon Tutt. He offered to run
the plantation for the women. The next thing the neighbors knew, Minnie
Mitchell was not only being courted by Mr. Tuft, but she was seen kissing him
on the porch in front of the Lord and everybody. And Minnie Mitchell
continued to kiss her boyfriend whenever she pleased.
The young couple married and traveled to New Orleans by train for their
honeymoon. Within the year Minnie was pregnant and she further shocked the
neighborhood by being seen in public "that way."
About a week before her child was due Minnie received the jolting news that
her husband had just been fatally shot. Mr. Tutt had just returned from
Demopolis with a load of stores for the Belmont commissary at Hall's Creek.
Witnesses reported a violent argument between Mr. Tutt and a Black man. As
Mr. Tutt turned to begin stocking the shelves the Black shot him from outside
a window.
This time the brushes were laid aside permanently. Minnie tried to tend to
her new daughter, Vernon, while helping her mother run the farm. Times were
getting harder. The soil was becoming less productive. The women went into
debt in order to be able to feed and clothe the remaining Blacks.
Things could not have been going much tougher. But, then, another miracle
happened by in the person of Virginian Charles W. Poythress. Minnie took
another chance, was seen kissing her new suitor in public, and, after their
marriage, was again seen pregnant in public.

THE BAKER COUNTY PRESS, Thursday December 1, 1977
THE WAY IT WAS-Gene Barber
The Daring Minnie Poythress
Part Two
Minnie Mitchell Tutt Poythress' husband, Charles, had known his share of
problems also. Originally from Mecklenburg County, Virginia, Mr. Poythress
had moved to Alabama to escape the ever advancing depression. Settled at
Bellamy where he took employment with the Allison Lumber Company.
Shortly after the Poythress' marriage in 1922, the Allison Lumber Company was
literally blown away by a cyclone. Mr. Poythress next tried the railroad but
that job soon went the way of most other jobs in the beginning days of the
depression.
A friend, Julian Boyd, had been traveling the railroad and knew most of the
available opportunities along the route. Other friends of Mr. Boyd's had
stopped in an unheard of place named Baker County and after working for a few
years with Mr. George L. Taber's Glen Nurseries had opened their own nursery
between Glen St. Mary and McClenny. They were the Griffin Family and their
business was the forerunner of the present Southern States Nursery. Mr. Boyd
suggested to Mr. Poythress that he try the Griffins.
Minnie had to leave many of her paintings in Alabama (they were later burned)
as she tackled still another dare. Things were tough in Alabama and the
Poythrees couple knew the Blacks stood not a chance there. They crowded them,
plus one elderly ex-slave, into two more cars and the entourage began the
long trip across Florida in December of 1926.
For the first year their home was the Griffin guest house. Later the Griffins
built them a house and all seemed well for a while. One morning during the
depths of the depression the Blacks waked to find a coffin on their porch.
Some locals, resentful of imported help taking the jobs they considered to be
theirs, had decided to put fear into the new people. A big stink ensued which
was skillfully tended to by Baker County Sheriff Joe Jones.
Once again Minnie was to know the sorrow of widowhood. Mr. Poythress died in
1931 and she was left with four children, an aged mother, no job, and no home
As is the usual case, miracles happen to those who most need them and most
look for them. Ms. Poythress searched out the opportunity to purchase a most
unlikely home, but, never-the-less, a home - the old St. James Academy
dormitory and chapel on the southern edge of McClenny.
There were only two rooms - one upstairs and one downstairs. It showed the
wear and tear of use, by several years of school children as well as many
years of neglect. Mrs Poythress sought ways to make the old yellow building
livable. Mr. L.L. Dugger, principal of the nextdoor McClenny School,
suggested that she establish a boarding house for teachers.
During one of the hottest summers the locals could remember the remodeling
work began. The carpenters were Roscoe and Fonso Parrish, Frank Rowe, and
Rev. Rogers, the Methodist minister. A.B. Hart installed the plumbing. A new
roof capped it all.
Minnie Mitchell Tutt Poythress never knew when to quit and she always took a
dare. The writer of this column appreciates those qualities in Mrs. Poythress
for it was while viewing in awe those beautiful paintings on her walls he
decided he wanted to do the same thing.		04/06/1999 7:39:27
http://google.comI have been touted on this search engine which is in beta but available for
use. The comparison was its superiority to Altavista, often the engine of
choice. Presumably, Google uses Linus technology, Fibonacci numbers and any
number of other exotics to apply a discriminant function that reads your mind
and sends you only to the search engine(s) you would want if you knew its
name in the first place.

I have tried it and while I don't understand it I do observe that it has some
interesting characteristics and I frankly do prefer it to Altavista. Thought
some of you might be interested.

Maynard

04/06/1999 7:39:28
TestTeresa WillisI was somehow removed from the list....I don't even know how long I have
been off....but I re-subscribed and hopefully back on...Let me know if you
get this.....and I'm wondering what all I have missed....guess I'll visit
the archives.

Teresa

04/06/1999 8:43:27
Re: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsLPB,

Annie 1890-Dec 1966
Thomas 1897-Oct 1974
Carrie 1898-May 1968
Ethel 1899-Mar 1977
Lettie1898-Jul 4 1994

If anyone would like all 29, I can send either snail or will type up as time
allows.
Also did NC and came up with 99 Poythress deaths. Too many to type but if
looking for anyone inparticular, will be happy to reply.

BGP

A		04/07/1999 2:33:10
TestCharles NealWelcome back, Teresa.

BPN

04/07/1999 5:01:12
Francis & Rebecca Coggin's LineDebra FreemanHello Everybody,
Throwing this out to everyone in general. Does anybody have any
information on this line? It seems no one has really done any research on
them according to my sources. Since it appears that John & Christian
Peebles "daughtered" out, from what I could tell, it seems more likely
Francis could be our 'guy'. Also, another question. How do we know for
sure that no other "Poythress" came to the US after Capt. Francis? Just
trying to look at this puzzle from ever angle for a new idea and direction.
Anyone have any ideas?
I'd appreciate whatever you can contribute to the game.
Thanks
Debbie

04/07/1999 7:08:48
Francis & Rebecca Coggin's LineCharles NealDebbie,

Good to have fresh minds looking over the puzzle!

Re: "Does anybody have any information on this line?"
I don't, but would welcome learning that someone has traced it.

Re: "How do we know for sure that no other "Poythress" came to the US
after Capt. Francis?"
We DON'T know that for sure.

BPN

04/08/1999 3:06:41
Re: Oak HillBud, I'm drawing a blank on this cemetery. I have pictures of every P. (plus
some relations) in McBride Methodist (Sylvania) and I have the pictures of
the P. tombstones that I took when you and I visited that cemetery over in
Millen but I remember it as having a different name. If that one was indeed
Oak Hill let me know and I'll dig out those photos. If that one is not Oak
Hill then I don't have anything.

Maynard

04/08/1999 8:08:51
Re: Oak HillIn a message dated 4/8/99 3:08:51 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, VKRatliff writes:

<< Subj: Re: Oak Hill
Date: 4/8/99 3:08:51 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
From: VKRatliff
To: BPoythress
CC: POYTHRESS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM

Bud, I'm drawing a blank on this cemetery. I have pictures of every P.
(plus some relations) in McBride Methodist (Sylvania) and I have the pictures
of the P. tombstones that I took when you and I visited that cemetery over in
Millen but I remember it as having a different name. If that one was indeed
Oak Hill let me know and I'll dig out those photos. If that one is not Oak
Hill then I don't have anything. >>

Maynard,

I have an excuse that you even gave me -- "I'm older than dirt!" What's your
excuse?

Yea man, that's indeed the Oak Hill Cemetery I'm talking about! Remember we
got there shortly before noon and smoke was pouring out of that small
barbecue hut behind the church building? There where several men there
bar-be-quing several fresh pork hams to honor a "few new recently joined
church members" and they invited you, David and me to "come on back" and join
the celebration later that evening?

But we chose to go on over to that extremely high class barbecue joint on the
other side of Millen for lunch, and where David ate "2" sandwiches while you
and I could only handle one! And our sandwiches were made out of the best
damn barbecue you ever ate?!?!?!?

That's the one........ Bud

Bud		04/08/1999 9:34:39
Oak Hill CemeteryBy golly Bud, you're right. I not only had the pics but I had already put
the list on hard drive. Only way I could have forgotten it was I was
drinking that Effingham County "water" you had that beaded up on the side of
that quart fruit jar. Jean says I'm gonna have to quit playin' with you
cause you're a bad influence.

And speaking of cemeteries, I've been just sitting here hoping that one of
our great listmembers would volunteer to accumulate all those cemetery
inventories from everybody and make a reference "directory" that Al could put
on the page. Would be a whale of a research tool for somebody one of these
days.

Anyway, Bubba, here it is:

Cemetery- Jenkins County-Millen, Ga.-Oak Hill Baptist Church

Some Poythress gravesites....collected by John M. Poythress & Bud Poythress,
Summer 1997. (Photos in files)

SIDNEY
PAYTHRESS
June 16, 1889
Feb. 26, 1916
Asleep in Jesus
Blessed Sleep

ARTHUR
PAYTHRESS
June 6, 1896
Mar. 19, 1922
Gone But Not
Forgotten

JAMES T.
POYTHRESS
FEB. 27, 1887
MAR.31,1924

RACHEL F. POYTHRESS
BORN MAY 1860
DIED OCT. 8, 1938

IN MEMORY OF
MY HUS. N. H.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 7, 1861
JAN. 6, 1908
There will be
no sorrow there

MABEL E.
POYTHRESS
MAR. 1, 1913

GORDON E.
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1912
AUG. 19, 1972

OUR MOTHER
LUCY LIVELY DALEY
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1867
JAN. 28, 1966

MARTHA
WIFE OF
_____ POYTHRESS
MAR. 19, 1871
JUNE. 24, 1909

LEE A. POYTHRESS
DEC. 25, 1861
JAN. 6,1938

INFANT DAUGHTER
OF
L. A. & S. P.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 24, 1909
JULY 10, 1909		04/08/1999 10:40:09
AtlantaWe're off in AM until Wednesday return. Jean has another pro bono decorating
job.
Shoot, I just figured out why that deal isn't making any money: we need a
bigger truck!

I'll be picking my mail up there.

Maynard

04/08/1999 10:43:03
Re: Oak Hill CemeteryIn a message dated 4/8/99 5:52:12 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<< Only way I could have forgotten it was I was
drinking that Effingham County "water" you had that beaded up on the side of
that quart fruit jar. >>

Hey "Cuz Maynard",

I knew the very thought of that "Jenkins County [not Effingham] barbecue and
fermented fruit juice in 'dat' fruit jar" would tickle your "salivating
glands" and get your 'mouf to a-watering" over just those kind of thoughts,
man.

I knew we could count on you....Thanks a million, ... and have a great trip
to GA, but don't forget the route back. By the way, when is your and the
'lil misses QE2 sailing date?

Take care, best wishes form a "Younger Cuz!!!" ....... Bud		04/08/1999 11:28:16
Florida County MapsThis is a from the Florida Department of Transportation - County Maps:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/MapsAndPublications/manuals/pub-cmap.htm

The maps sell for $0.30 each, most counties have just one map, but a few
have two.

The maps show three features that genealogy researchers like that are
not
on most other maps:
(1) the townships, ranges, and sections, if you are investigating land
deeds, and some land grants as well,
(2) many of the rural churches and cemeteries,
(3) many of the rural towns, subdivisions, and state management areas by
name, but not all for example two that I know Judson in Levy County and
Newnansville in Alachua County were missing.

The maps aren't genealogically useful for urban areas. There are 67
counties but who needs all the counties. There are legends, but no
indices on the maps, you need to search the map for a particular name or
place.

The above web site gives the details for you to acquire your own county
maps.

BPW		04/09/1999 6:44:14
Re: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] re: How to find the VA marriage indexLinda HodgeHere is the article and the Web link to the VA. Marriages at Ancestry.com
Happy Hunting. Linda H.

Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850

Throughout the 18th and well into the 19th Century, Virginia was one of the
most populous states in the Union, being home to as many as 1.2 million
persons at any one time. This collection of marriage records includes the
names of over 300,000 men and women married in the state between 1740 and
1850. In addition to providing the names of bride and groom, researchers
will find the date of marriage and county in which the ceremony was
performed. For those seeking married ancestors from Virginia, this database
can be a valuable source of information.

Bibliography: Dodd, Jordan R, et. al. "Early American Marriages: Virginia."
Bountiful, UT: Precision Indexing Publishers, 19xx.

To search this database, go to:
http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3723.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: TWHAVEN@webtv.net
To: VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 6:35 PM
Subject: Fwd: [VA-SOUTHSIDE-L] re: How to find the VA marriage index

Another way to access it, at Ancestry.com, is on the right hand side under
date base today click on to Virginia marriage index and it will come up

Hello again,

Many of you have e-mailed me that you can't get into the free VA marriage
index on ancestry.com. Below are instructions - if you still have a problem
let me know as I hope I'm explaining this right. Thank you, Ruth in NC
e-mail: RLugowski@aol.com

to access site - http://www.ancestry.com

When the main screen comes up for the first name/surname/state - I have
found you will get more info if you only type in a surname (exa. LIPSCOMB)
no first name or state. Hit search button.

When the data base sites come up the marriage records are located under
Vital Records (births/deaths/marriages). The VA Marriage Index data base is
at the very bottom of the list - right now it is the very last data base.
Next to it you will see a red circle with the letter F inside it - this
means the data base can be accessed for 10 days free. Just a word of note -
any data base on ancestry.com that has a red circle with the letter F
inside it, means it is a free site for searching (course there's very few
of them).		04/10/1999 7:45:29
Re: Poythress 1853-96 Virginia Brunswick Mecklenburg DeathsPat,
On the VA list there are no Henry's and neither of the counties you
mentioned. The NC list :

James b. 9-30-1950 d.1993 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax, NC, Skelton b. 3-10-1906
d. 8-1968 Roanoke Rapids, Halifax, NC.

Here are all the 1st. names on the NC list If anyone wants more detail, 1st.
try www.ancestry.com, it is a free data base. If you can't get in, let me
know which names you want more detail on.

A., Adele, Allison, Alma, Annie, Arthur, B., Benjamin, Bertha,
Beulah, Brack, Bruce, Calvin, Carrie, Charles, Chester, Clara, D.,
Delzie, Dewey, Earnest, Edward, Elizabeth, Ernest, Esther, Eunice,
Flonnie, Florence, Forest, Frank, George, Gerald, Grace, Hazel,
Helen, Ila, J. , James, Jane, Jesse, Jimmie, Joe, John, Joseph,
Kelly, Kirby, L. , Lena, Lessie, Lettie, Lillie, Luther, M.,
Magnolia, Mahala, Mary, Mattie, Merron, Mylae, Oliver, Peelie,
Phillip, Ralph, Robert, Robet, Roscoe, Rose, Roy, Ruby, S., Sarah,
Shelton, Shirley, Skelton, Tanner, Tony, Verla, Walter, Whitney,
Willard, William, Woodrow.

Thats all folks,

BGP		04/10/1999 9:33:14
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The Family History Show is now back on the internet. Or at least we
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Thanks to KTSA of San Antonio

Hope you all listen in and call in your questions to keep the show alive
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Sheryl -
Apparently, KTSA of San Antonio is now broadcasting
"The Family History Show" live on the Internet. I
had heard they were planning to go on-line, but had
not been able to confirm. It's a little hard to
check things like this out while producing it live.
This is fairly good news for some, as long as we
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Please help me confirm this if possible.
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The Family History Show Now Broadcast on the
Internet through KTSA.
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Dear Barbara (BPN): (and Maynard too!)

If you did not pick up on the previously missing dates, and grave marker
inscription from the Oak Hill Baptist Church Cemetery that was missing from
my earlier message (those I did not have), and "our good old Maynard" came
through with and e-mailed to the group; -- you might want to check them out
-- the names and dates listed below that I just sent to John "Bob" Peavy of
Effingham Co. GA. "Bob," along with Doris Odom who also have been working on
the Flake/Wilder and Poythress connection for some times now, and even a few
other interesting surnames that may be connected with the Screven County
Poythresses.

Hope this info is helpful, cuz.

Take care Cuz, .... Bud

In a message dated 4/10/99 10:24:08 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, BPoythress
writes:

<<
Dear Bob:

Just a quick note this AM (I haven't had my morning coffee yet) on a "Rachel
Flake Poythress" that I have and thought you'd be interested if you don't
already have this information.

The following information taken from "burial markers/headstones" at the Oak
Hill Baptist Church Cemetery located in Jenkins County, just off GA State Rt
21 near Millen on the Millen - Sylvania highway.

1. N. H. Poythress - (believe to be
Nathaniel Harper Poythress)
b. 6/7/1861 & d. 1/6/1908 - "There will be no sorrow there"

2. Rachel F. Poythress
b. May 1860 (no day/date) & d. 10/8/1938

3. James T. Poythress
b. 2/27/1887 & d. 3/31/1924

4. Sidney Paythress
b. 6/16/1889 & d. 2/26/1916 - "Asleep in Jesus Blessed Sleep"

5. Arthur Paythress
b. 6/6/1896 & d. 3/19/1922 - "Gone But Not Forgotten"

6. D. O. Poythress
b. 8//27/1892 & d. 8/25/1892

7. Martha - wife of __?__Poythress
b. 3/19/1871 & d. 6/24/1909

Note: I noticed in your e-mail <> you had
also cc'ed Doris Odom of Wellford, SC who I have also been in touch with (on
the Flake-Poythress question and attempting to identify one "Nathaniel Harper
Poythress" and determine to which "Poythress line" he connects too). And to,
Doris had told me that the children of N.H. & Rachel Poythress were: Lessie,
William, Effie (her grandmother who married a Burke), James(Jessie), Sidney,
Dessie O., Esther and Arthur.

I now believe the above #1 - N. H. Poythress (is the elusive Nathaniel
Harper Poythress) and #2 - Rachel F. Poythress are Doris Odom's
g-g-grandparents; #'s 3, 4, 5 & 6 above were children of N. H. and Rachel
F[lake] Poythress, that is if I take the # 6. - "D.O. Poythress" as the
child Doris listed as "Dessie O." Then, #7, Martha, wife of _?_ Poythress, I
have no idea who or where she fits in.

I would certainly appreciate any information you can learn on "N.H. or
Nathaniel Harper Poythress" in addition to the above info and how or where he
ties into the Poythress family line. (i.e. who were his parents, etc.?)
======================================================

Now the following grave sites/markers AT OAK HILL cemetery also, are "all of
"MY" Poythress family's line" -- and with Mabel [Stanfield/Edenfield]
Poythress, widow of Gordon E. Poythress (my father's 1st cousin) as well as
Gordon & Mabel's "2" daughters presently lives in Millen, whom I am in fairly
close contact with plus they usually do attends our Poythress family
reunion/s. They informed me some time ago that the spelling of P(a)ythress
name with the letter 'a' was just a simple mistake and they too thought all
of those named above were somehow "kin to us!" - BUT - I can find NO such
connection -- at least not thus far. (PS - Mabel's maiden name was
"Stanfield," and it is my understanding that she, at the tender age of 4, and
her younger brother were both adopted from of an orphanage in Savannah by the
Rev. Edenfield then a very prominent Baptist Minister in Millen, Jenkins Co.
GA)

Now - those listed below - Lee Alexander Poythress and Charles M. Poythress
buried at Oak Hill Cemetery were the "2" youngest children/sons of John White
and Mary Ann Margaret [Wilder] Poythress -- so consequently were the younger
brothers to my grandfather William H. Poythress (who is buried at Goshen
Cemetery):

8. Lee Alexander Poythress -- (My
great-uncle)
b. 12/25/1861 & d. 1/6/1938

9. Sarah P. - wife of L. A. Poythress -- (Uncle
Lee's 1st wife)
b. 3/19/1871 &^ d. 6/24/1909

10. "Infant daughter of
L.A. & S.P. Poythress"
b. 6/24/1909 & d. 7/6/1909

11. Lucy Lively [Daley] Poythress (Uncle Lee's 2nd wife)
b. 8/20/1867 & d. 1/28/1966

12. Gordon Elmo Poythress (only son of L.A. & Lucy Lively Poythress)
b. 8/20/1912
d. 8/19/1972

Mabel E. Poythress
b. 3/1/1913 - still living

Gordon and Mabel's two daughters are: 1) Jackie P. Flanders,
&
2) Ferris P. Markovic, and both are still living..

13. Charles M. Poythress (my great-uncle)
b. 11/25/1859
d. 6/22/1939

14. Polly Poythress - wife of Charles M. Poythress
(I have no info on when she was b or d!)

I was unable to locate a burial markers for Uncle Charles "Charley"
Poythress or for his wife Polly at Oak Hill Cemetery (I've been assured they
were buried there, however) but shamefully, there were no head stone markers
placed at their burial sites. They had NO children.

Hope this might be helpful.

Take care and stay in touch -

Bud Poythress >>

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In a message dated 4/9/99 2:35:34 AM Atlantic Daylight Time,
John.R.Peavy@SAS02.usace.army.mil writes:

<< Flake Family GenForum
< In Reply to: FLAKES in GA posted by Doris Odom on October 11, 1998
I have a Rachael Flake (b. 1860 in Screven County) daughter of
Richard S. Flake and Margaret Ann Hodges. She was one of eight
children. Her brothers and sisters were: Sarah (b. 1833)
Dorian (b. 1834) Lucy (b. 1836) July (b. 1838) Richard (b. 1845)
Adeline (b. 1854) Elizabeth (b. 1861) If this sounds familiar,
email me and I'll send you the rest of what I have. >>

Dear Bob:

Just a quick note this AM (I haven't had my morning coffee yet) on a "Rachel
Flake Poythress" that I have and thought you'd be interested if you don't
already have this information.

The following information taken from "burial markers/headstones" at the Oak
Hill Baptist Church Cemetery located in Jenkins County, just off GA State Rt
21 near Millen on the Millen - Sylvania highway.

1. N. H. Poythress - (believe to be Nathaniel Harper Poythress)
b. 6/7/1861 & d. 1/6/1908 - "There will be no sorrow there"

2. Rachel F. Poythress
b. May 1860 (no day/date) & d. 10/8/1938

3. James T. Poythress
b. 2/27/1887 & d. 3/31/1924

4. Sidney Paythress
b. 6/16/1889 & d. 2/26/1916 - "Asleep in Jesus Blessed Sleep"

5. Arthur Paythress
b. 6/6/1896 & d. 3/19/1922 - "Gone But Not Forgotten"

6. D. O. Poythress
b. 8//27/1892 & d. 8/25/1892

7. Martha - wife of __?__Poythress
b. 3/19/1871 & d. 6/24/1909

Note: I noticed in your e-mail <> you had
also cc'ed Doris Odom of Wellford, SC who I have also been in touch with (on
the Flake-Poythress question and attempting to identify one "Nathaniel Harper
Poythress" and determine to which "Poythress line" he connects too). And to,
Doris had told me that the children of N.H. & Rachel Poythress were: Lessie,
William, Effie (her grandmother who married a Burke), James(Jessie), Sidney,
Dessie O., Esther and Arthur.

I now believe the above #1 - N. H. Poythress (is the elusive Nathaniel Harper
Poythress) and #2 - Rachel F. Poythress are Doris Odom's g-g-grandparents;
#'s 3, 4, 5 & 6 above were children of N. H. and Rachel F.[lake] Poythress,
that is if I take the # 6. - "D.O. Poythress" as the child Doris list as
"Dessie O." Then, #7, Martha, wife of _?_ Poythress, I have no idea who or
where she fits in.

I would certainly appreciate any information you can learn on "N.H. or
Nathaniel Harper Poythress" in addition to the above info and how or where he
ties into the Poythress family line. (i.e. who were his parents, etc.?)
======================================================

Now the following grave sites/markers are "all of my Poythress family's line"
-- and with Mabel [Stanfield/Edenfield] Poythress, widow of Gordon E.
Poythress (my father's 1st cousin) as well as Gordon & Mabel's "2" daughters
presently lives in Millen, whom I am in fairly close contact with plus they
usually do attends our Poythress family reunion/s. They informed me some
time ago that the spelling of P(a)oythress name with the letter 'a' was just
a simple mistake and they too thought those named above were somehow "kin to
us!" - BUT - I can find NO such connection -- at least not thus far. (PS -
Mabel's maiden name was "Stanfield," and it is my understanding that she, at
age 4, and her younger brother were both adopted from of an orphanage in
Savannah by the Rev. Edenfield a Baptist Minister in Millen, Jenkins Co. GA)

Listed below - Lee Alexander Poythress and Charles M. Poythress buried at Oak
Hill Cemetery were the "2" youngest children/sons of John White and Mary Ann
Margaret [Wilder] Poythress -- so consequently were the younger brothers to
my grandfather William H. Poythress (who is buried at Goshen Cemetery):

8. Lee Alexander Poythress -- (My
great-uncle)
b. 12/25/1861 & d. 1/6/1938

9. Sarah P. - wife of L. A. Poythress -- (Uncle
Lee's 1st wife)
b. 3/19/1871 &^ d. 6/24/1909

10. "Infant daughter of
L.A. & S.P. Poythress"
b. 6/24/1909 & d. 7/6/1909

11. Lucy Lively [Daley] Poythress (Uncle Lee's 2nd wife)
b. 8/20/1867 & d. 1/28/1966

12. ` Gordon Elmo Poythress (only son of L.A. & Lucy Lively
Poythress) b. 8/20/1912
d. 8/19/1972

Mabel E. Poythress
b. 3/1/1913 - still living

Gordon and Mabel's two daughters are: 1) Jackie P. Flanders,
&
2) Ferris P. Markovic.

13. Charles M. Poythress (my great-uncle)
b. 11/25/1859
d. 6/22/1939

14. Polly Poythress - wife of Charles M. Poythress
(I have no info on when she was b or d!)

I was unable to locate a burial markers for Uncle Charles
"Charley" Poythress or for his wife Polly at Oak Hill Cemetery (I've been
assured they were buried there, however) but shamefully, there were no head
stone markers placed at their burial sites. They had NO children.

Hope this might be helpful.

Take care and stay in touch -

Bud Poythress

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VA Marriage Index 1740-1850Charles NealI just read this message & haven't yet visited the site, but wanted to let
everyone know now since it is only free for 10 days, which apparently began
Thurs or Friday April 8 or 9. Hopefully between all of us, we'll think to
check any surname of importance to any of us. It is one of the
recently-added databases at:
www.ancestry.com

BPN

Message text written by INTERNET:VA-SOUTHSIDE-L@rootsweb.com V.99, #191
>______________________________------------------------------		04/10/1999 11:15:39
Update for The Family History ShowCliff TownsendThis is Sheryl Townsend and I would like to ask if you might give the
show some publicity in your column/web page. I am a fan of The Family
History Show that is produced in the Dallas area. If you haven't turned
in you ought to sometime. Very informative. It is an interactive
program so the host, guests and the listeners all communicate. Now
being broadcast over a San Antonio station KTSA.

I listen to the show each Sunday night from 10:05 - 12 via the
internet. Living in Carthage the closest station I can receive over
the radio is KRLD, but it has much static therefore I receive a clearer
broadcast via internet. Recently, KPRC in Houston canceled the internet
broadcast. But, to our fortune it is being broadcast over the internet
by KTSA 950 of San Antonio.

The web site is: Michael Matthews - The Family History Show

If you are familiar with this site then you will know that other radio
stations are listed for broadcast. My main goal is to infor the
researchers out there; that there is a radio show that has the answers
to genealogical questions and/or researching helps and tips, as well as
keeping the public aware that the show is in progress each Sunday night
(over the internet even when the ball games are being broadcast over the
radio transmission). If the caller only has one line for internet and
phone service that is not a problem. Just disconnect from the internet
make your call and listen over the phone until your call is taken and
then rejoin the show over the internet afterwards.

So, this show is for the radio listeners and for those of us that can't
receive it through a station in our area. You can be anywhere in the US
or abroad and listen to The Family History Show.

Thanks for listening and your support,
sheryl

ps I believe you will need to download RealPlayer. There is a link to
the radio through the web page for TFHS. Please consult the web site
for other information.

KTSA 950 in San Antonio 		04/12/1999 3:09:44
GenealogyPortal.comCharles NealMessage text written by INTERNET:newsletter@ROOTSCOMPUTING.COM, April 11,
1999

The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter and is copyright 1999 by Richard W. Eastman. It is
re-published here with the permission of the author.

>============================================================

- GenealogyPortal.com

The Internet trade press is abuzz these days with articles about
"Internet portals." Even Wall Street venture capitalists are
investing millions in companies that provide Web portals. Now
Steve Wood has created a genealogy portal Web page.

A portal can loosely be defined as a starting place. It provides
quick and easy access to many other Web sites of a particular
interest. Portal sites such as Yahoo!, Webcrawler and
CompuServe.com provide menus grouped by popular topics such as
news, weather, sports, Hollywood entertainment, etc. When you
click on one of these, you are quickly taken to pages of that
interest. These portals are popular as they are easy-to-use "main
menus" for many people.

Steve Wood's GenealogyPortal.com is similar in concept. The first
thing I noticed is that it has a quick and easy method of
searching hundreds of genealogy sites looking for names. I
searched for my own surname and found thousands of "hits," too
many to manage. I then narrowed the search by specifying my great-
great-grandfather's name. GenealogyPortal.com quickly found 91
matches and ranked them as to which were "most probable." A rating
of four trees indicated a high probability of a match, three trees
was still somewhat probable, etc. Each "hit" gave a small extract
from the text of the matching site. All I had to do was click on
the text, and I could then look directly at the selected site.

GenealogyPortal.com also has lists of Archives and Libraries,
Guides to Research, Historical Sites, Primary Records, and
Research Supplies, as well as a list of Software and Utilities.

This is a good site from which to launch your online searches.
Look at: http://www.genealogyportal.com

============================================================
<		04/12/1999 11:18:25
Out of townCharles NealIn case anyone is trying to reach me, please wait until Sunday evening 18th
of April. Will be without email access from this evening until Sunday
evening.

Thanks,
BPN		04/12/1999 11:28:18
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Hi Gang:

A few weeks ago I reported my sister and her husband were passing through
Fort Myers, FL and picked up a local newspaper that contained a picture of a
group of young ladies studying in a large room at the "Florida Gulf Coast
University." My sister cut the picture out of the paper and mailed it to me
One of the ladies in the picture was named "Delia Gonzalez-Poythress."

It appears someone picked up my message from our RootWeb and passed it on to
Delia and the message forwarded herewith was in response to my earlier
message.

I will respond to her directly and to her father-in-law. Do we have anyone
connected with her husband "Bryan Poythress?"

Bud Poythress

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Bud,

I wasn't sure if you got this message through the Rootsweb server, so I
decided to forward it to you.

Delia Gonzalez-Poythress

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From: DeliaPoyth@aol.com
Full-name: DeliaPoyth
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:03:52 EDT
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Hello! My name is Delia Gonzalez-Poythress. I am the one pictured in the Fort
Myers News Press. I found out about the posting concerning my picture through
my husband's grandfather. My husband's name is Bryan Poythress, hence my
hyphenated name and the reason why you could not find a Gonzalez-Poythress
listing in the phone book. I have been married for a little over a year and
we do not yet have any children. If you want to know any other information
about my husband's family, you can email him at BryanPoyth@aol.com.

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--part1_d7aa7ed7.2445071d_boundary--		04/13/1999 10:46:21
Time Article on GenealogyLord save us, Jefferson Davus! Time, Inc. (porn-rap-peddler extraordinaire)
has run a feature article on Genealogy. And all this time I thought we were
off in a quiet corner practicing our grey art.

Maynard

04/13/1999 12:58:39
Re: VA Marriage Index 1740-1850Re: << http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3723.htm >>

Barb.....that one is worth adding to a data base although I didn't see any
strangers on a quick glance. The download is free.

Maynard		04/14/1999 3:14:16
Re: Va Marriages on Ancestry.comLyn,

In regard to your question:

How does one query by surname and county combination? I have only been
able to query by a single surname, no advanced queries, and would love to
know how to "shortlist".

Have posted queries to specific county sites, which you can find through
Rootsweb and had some success there.

And in regard to: I often see the entry "GOOC" in the county column. What
does this mean?

I'm guessing this would be Goochland County which is north of Mecklenburg Co.
by five counties.

Best, Barbara (BPW)

04/14/1999 6:02:04
Va Marriages on Ancestry.ComBarbara, great to hear from you. I think you theory about Isaac Taylor
is a good one. Also, I was glad to learn of your excavations into the
Ancestry.Com database. I, too, have tried some research there...

How does one query by surname and county combination? I have only been
able to query by a single surname, no advanced queries, and would love to
know how to "shortlist".

I often see the entry "GOOC" in the county column. What does this mean?

Anyone on the list, in addition to BPW, is welcomed to respond to these
questions.

Oh, yes, and in addition to the 16 Poythresses, one finds 1 Potress and 1
Poytress. I tried all the other usual suspects, even Portis, without a
catch.

Best,
Lyn

On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:25:26 EDT Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Bill and I were delighted to meet you Lyn, and to share such a nice
>evening
>with you and Barbara.
>
>Barbara, thanks for passing along the website on ancestry. I had a
>chance to
>check it out while over at Tom's house this weekend and pulled down
>the
>Poythress, Dortch and Taylor marriages. Poythress had 16 marriages,
>Dortch
>21. There are some 1799 entries for Taylor, quite overwhelming. So I
>just
>checked specifically for Mecklenburg.
>
>Now I'll have to come up with some great analysis to see if I can
>connect
>these entries to Rebecca B. Taylor. I'm speculating that Isaac Taylor
>is
>Rebecca's brother and therefore an uncle to David. According to your
>recent
>post, Lyn, Isaac died in 1874 at the age of 84 which gives a birth
>date
>around 1793. So I'm proposing him as a younger sibling of Rebecca, who
>
>married Lewis in 1802.

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GenealogyPortal.comSummary of the 37 Poythress matches:

* http://genforum.genealogy.com/poythress/ .....we're all more or less
familiar with this site. I wish we could get all those folks to use our
listserver. That "genforum" operating format is maddening even if the lines
of inquiry are legit and some of the material is good.

* "Pace" pages galore.....same old junk re did Richard Pace m. Rebecca
Poythress?
I suppose this one is on a thousand DAR qualifications and will outlive us
all but I'm sure tiring of running into it. But if it's making the Pacers
miserable too then I guess it has its purpose in life.

* MY WYNNE LINEAGE....http://members.tripod.com/Randy_T/index-11.html....not
a bad Wynne site at all but for us only the connection to marrying widow Mary.

* http://www.wco.com/~drema/indxlr.html.....Drema does a lot of dreaming....I
signed off at King Alfred the Great.

* Pocahontas material all over the place....just the usual suspects. Nothing
new.

* http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/herring/all.html......one reference to
a Francis
Eliza Poythress. "Curious" is about it.

* http://ccharity.com/indexes/slavesinwills.htm......a list of a many, many
wills containing names of slaves....the two Poythress wills were copied off
our own web page.

* http://www.jspweb.com/johnson/link001.htm....looked to me to be some fairly
decent Epps stuff but I'm not qualified to judge.

* many more of those multi-page "GED2HTML" garbage posts with folks listing a
mere, for example, 7,771 surnames they are "searching".....with naturally a
high "density" of kings and queens. I wish somebody would kick those folks
off the air so they could get a life.

* http://pages.prodigy.net/vanhudson/yates7.htm......"Bartholomew Yates
Line".....
Not a bad page. Wm. Yates m. Anne Poythress with number 2 son being Ben
Poythress Yates, Petersburg (1780-1817). BPN, if you still have the URL for
that Yates lady in CA she might be interested in this site. I had her
address when my AOL crashed. I have it 99% rebuilt but that one I don't have.

GENEALOGYPORTAL.COM summary: the kind of "search" site that will eventually
either kill some of the new interest in genealogy or spawn a thousand
imitators listing slipshod sites which would be even worse. Only a couple of
areas of interest for us as noted. Hope this will save some time for those
inclined to have used the search site.

Maynard		04/15/1999 2:25:01
LDS SiteThe bad news: Time Mag., in a feature article published the address
(www.familysearch.org). Expect even more delays in using this site which is
still a beta operation anyway.

The good news: Robert Regan's current on-line genealogical publication has a
comprehensive article that includes a number of specialty searches available
and specifically how to do them on this LDS site.

I have the newsletter in text form and can send it to anyone asking. And
BTW, Regan's newsletter is free and a real gem so you might want to use the
address to subscribe.

Maynard

04/15/1999 9:13:50
Re: Out of townJean Spillebarbara

our little get together is growing. Crystal, a descendent of Lovel and
Amanda Poythress, and her mom are also coming. also, bruce s sister in
law, julia porter wheeler. am really looking forward to it.

jean

04/16/1999 3:44:50
Re: Dinner May 13Jean,

Let me know the total number closer to the date. Barbara wants to eat home
cooking so I told her about a place that has a buffet for $7.95 and it's all
home cooking. Depending on the number of us I may call ahead to see if they
can arrange seating.

Bruce		04/17/1999 3:07:46
"Captain" Fra. PoythressDeb, there are at least a couple of unreliable genealogical "articles" that
make Francis a ship captain and do so without a shred of documentation and
WITH the adjective "dashing" on the front end which lifts eyebrows even more.
My guess is that the "captain" title was Virginia militia and that he booked
passage back and forth as any merchant/factor would.

None of which explains away multiple Francises all by itself but I would be
shocked to learn that he had his own ship.

I've looked in those passenger arrivals several times and never even found
one Francis. Obviously, I looked in the wrong place. You and Lou give me
the impression that finding that thing is easy as pie. Is it?

Maynard

04/18/1999 5:09:50
William PoythressDeb.....have you got a father for William E.? The reason I ask is that I
have turned up what may be yet another Screven County William (no "E").

This William is selling in 1811 a land lottery award of 202 1/2 acres (the
prescribed award) in Morgan County (previously Baldwin Co.) that was drawn in
the 1805 lottery by a Screven County woman named Tabitha Stewart, about whom
I know nothing except that she was a widow when she drew in 1805 (that's how
she qualified) and she had 3 daughters as legatees in an 1808 will.......none
of which explains how William came into possession of the land to sell in the
first place.

I would speculate that this is William Poythress whom we know as 1805 Land
Lottery registrant # 867 along with Meredith Poythress, Sr. who was # 868,
which has already led to speculation that those two might be brothers.
Tabitha herself was registrant # 1705 so there doesn't appear to be any
linkage in that number. I'm surprised to know there were 1705 adults in
Screven County in 1805 to begin with.

Only reason I ask is the identical first names might make a father son
relationship. Just a shot in the dark. I have the deeds transcribed if you
want them.

Maynard		04/18/1999 5:32:33
Birdseye gedcom reader and Robert Ragan web signupDiana DiamondWhile checking out www.genealogyportal.com, I just came across a little
shareware ($12 after trial period) called Birdseye. It reads gedcom files
in a neat little way. Perhaps you know about it. If not, you might want to
give it a look-see.
http://members.aol.com/btvinfo/

Many thanks, Maynard, on the tip about Robert Ragan's treasure maps. I sent
him a check and he sent me all previous newsletters, which I am working my
way through. They provide some useful information. You can now sign up on
his web site http://www.firstct.com/ragan/hero.html

Diana		04/18/1999 5:34:31
PILI IndexDebra FreemanHello Everybody,
I went to my local library to check out their Genealogy section and spent 4
hours looking at a section of the books they had available. Now, here's a
very interesting thing I learned that I can't explain just yet, and would
like feed back for you all as well.
Remember a couple of weeks back I asked "How do we know for sure that there
wasn't more than one Poythress coming to the US?"
Concensus was "it's possible". Ok. I'm of the mind Capt Francis was our
main man and I was all for the theory of him coming alone. Now, I'm not so
sure. Of course, it would make it easier for all of us if he was the sole
immigrant, but, what if he wasn't? Could that explain some of the gaps we
can't bridge? The following names are what I found from "Passenger &
Immigration List Index" all and including 1999 Supplement...that's right, I
checked every single one of them. (I'll give an explanation of what the
citation means for those who don't know).

(Page 1674 of V.3)

Poythrees, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

Poythress, James, na, Virginia, 1722, 618, pg 234

from 1996 Supplement
(Page 422)

Poythers, Francis: Virginia, 1637, 6219, pg 84

Poythres, Francis, Virginia, 1642, 6219, pg 187

from 1995 Supplement
(Page 366)

Poyters, Fra: Virginia, 1669, 6221, pg 58

Poytress, John Albert; 27, California, 1897, 2763.38, pg 96

from 1994 Supplement
(Page 398)

Poythress, Elizabeth; Alexandria, VA, 1791, 1640.5, pg 254

from 1992 Supplement
(Page 412)

Poythres, Thomas, Virginia, 1639, 1219.4, pg 203

from 1991 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; Virginia, 1637, 1262, pg 229

from 1985 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; na, Virginia, 1633, 9448, pg 55

Sample of citation:
1 2 3 4 5 6
7
Poythress, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

1- Name of passenger
2- Passenger's age
3- Place of Arrival
4- Year of Arrival
5- A code that refers to the source book in which the particular list can
be found.
6- The page number on which that particular name is listed.

This is really a true mystery to me. I see way too many "Francis' " coming
into this country after the "1633 Francis" - that's the originial Capt
Francis, I'd bet on that, but who were these others that came over after
that in 1637, 1639, 1642, 1669, & 1722?
And who does this "John Albert Poytress" belong to that came to CA in 1897?
If he was 27 yrs old, that made his birth year 1870 +-, - his info came
from the Fresno Tax register. Ring any bells? Now, I'm really interested
in him as well since Robert Lamar (a brother to my g-grandfather - Thomas
Boston- supposedly moved to Fresno). Was John Albert related to them some
how?
My understanding was that all of Capt Francis' children where born in VA.
Am I wrong there? I am going to see if I can get copies of these
citations from the books that were quoted to see if that sheds any light on
these people.
One day, can you believe it? I got more questions than I got answers to. I
got more things to check out now, that's for sure.
Tell me what do you think? Has anyone run across this before? What did
you find?

Thanks,
Debbie		04/18/1999 5:35:28
RE: PILI IndexLou PooleDebbie (and list): I'll offer an opinion on all the Francis Poythress
comings and goings. First, though, it is very dangerous to assume
that all these listings were the same man. But I believe most of them
(if not all) were, indeed, the same man.

I believe that Francis Poythress (and his immediate descendants) was a
merchant by trade. Furthermore, as I've conjectured to the list
several times (though some time ago), I believe he was deeply involved
in the Indian trade. So all those comings and goings is easily
explained by the fact that he probably went to back to England (or
Barbados, or ?) to tend to business.

One of the things that has truly amazed me the more I study these 17th
century people is how very mobile they were. Though a ship passage to
England would be a big deal today, imagine what it was like in a tiny
sailing ship. Yet there's ample evidence of the merchants from the
colonies making frequent trips back to England, just as I theorize our
Francis Poythress did.

Certainly we can discount the females as being roots of other trees
(unless they brought male children with them). (One wonders if
Elizabeth was in some way related to the original Francis.) The ones
that intrigue me, though, are the James and Thomas Poythress who also
came over early. James Poythress came over so early, there's a very
good chance that he died and left no descendants (times were
especially hard then). The later-coming Thomas is a real possibility
to check into, if no one already has.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Debra Freeman [mailto:debfebneb@qnet.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 6:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: PILI Index

Hello Everybody,
I went to my local library to check out their Genealogy section and
spent 4
hours looking at a section of the books they had available. Now,
here's a
very interesting thing I learned that I can't explain just yet, and
would
like feed back for you all as well.
Remember a couple of weeks back I asked "How do we know for sure that
there
wasn't more than one Poythress coming to the US?"
Concensus was "it's possible". Ok. I'm of the mind Capt Francis was
our
main man and I was all for the theory of him coming alone. Now, I'm
not so
sure. Of course, it would make it easier for all of us if he was the
sole
immigrant, but, what if he wasn't? Could that explain some of the
gaps we
can't bridge? The following names are what I found from "Passenger &
Immigration List Index" all and including 1999 Supplement...that's
right, I
checked every single one of them. (I'll give an explanation of what
the
citation means for those who don't know).

(Page 1674 of V.3)

Poythrees, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

Poythress, James, na, Virginia, 1722, 618, pg 234

from 1996 Supplement
(Page 422)

Poythers, Francis: Virginia, 1637, 6219, pg 84

Poythres, Francis, Virginia, 1642, 6219, pg 187

from 1995 Supplement
(Page 366)

Poyters, Fra: Virginia, 1669, 6221, pg 58

Poytress, John Albert; 27, California, 1897, 2763.38, pg 96

from 1994 Supplement
(Page 398)

Poythress, Elizabeth; Alexandria, VA, 1791, 1640.5, pg 254

from 1992 Supplement
(Page 412)

Poythres, Thomas, Virginia, 1639, 1219.4, pg 203

from 1991 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; Virginia, 1637, 1262, pg 229

from 1985 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; na, Virginia, 1633, 9448, pg 55

Sample of citation:
1 2 3 4 5
6
7
Poythress, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

1- Name of passenger
2- Passenger's age
3- Place of Arrival
4- Year of Arrival
5- A code that refers to the source book in which the particular list
can
be found.
6- The page number on which that particular name is listed.

This is really a true mystery to me. I see way too many "Francis' "
coming
into this country after the "1633 Francis" - that's the originial Capt
Francis, I'd bet on that, but who were these others that came over
after
that in 1637, 1639, 1642, 1669, & 1722?
And who does this "John Albert Poytress" belong to that came to CA in
1897?
If he was 27 yrs old, that made his birth year 1870 +-, - his info
came
from the Fresno Tax register. Ring any bells? Now, I'm really
interested
in him as well since Robert Lamar (a brother to my g-grandfather -
Thomas
Boston- supposedly moved to Fresno). Was John Albert related to them
some
how?
My understanding was that all of Capt Francis' children where born in
VA.
Am I wrong there? I am going to see if I can get copies of these
citations from the books that were quoted to see if that sheds any
light on
these people.
One day, can you believe it? I got more questions than I got answers
to. I
got more things to check out now, that's for sure.
Tell me what do you think? Has anyone run across this before? What
did
you find?

Thanks,
Debbie

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		04/18/1999 6:55:37
RE: PILI IndexDebra FreemanThanks for the response, Lou.
I ask lots of questions, because I'm new to the Genealogy field. Please
bear with me. So here goes with another question. If someone is traveling
back and forth for trade, why are they listed as a "Passenger or
Immigrant"?
I guess I assumed Capt. Francis had his own ship and would not be included
on such a list as either a passenger or an immigrant since he was already a
resident as of 1633.
I don't know the rules from back then so how would traveling back and forth
for business be considered or handled? They wouldn't have passports since
US was considered part of England, isn't that right? Could some one clarify
this for me? I'm confused again!
Thanks for the lesson.
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Poole [SMTP:lpoole@dallas.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 5:56 PM
To: Debra Freeman; POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: PILI Index

Debbie (and list): I'll offer an opinion on all the Francis Poythress
comings and goings. First, though, it is very dangerous to assume
that all these listings were the same man. But I believe most of them
(if not all) were, indeed, the same man.

I believe that Francis Poythress (and his immediate descendants) was a
merchant by trade. Furthermore, as I've conjectured to the list
several times (though some time ago), I believe he was deeply involved
in the Indian trade. So all those comings and goings is easily
explained by the fact that he probably went to back to England (or
Barbados, or ?) to tend to business.

One of the things that has truly amazed me the more I study these 17th
century people is how very mobile they were. Though a ship passage to
England would be a big deal today, imagine what it was like in a tiny
sailing ship. Yet there's ample evidence of the merchants from the
colonies making frequent trips back to England, just as I theorize our
Francis Poythress did.

Certainly we can discount the females as being roots of other trees
(unless they brought male children with them). (One wonders if
Elizabeth was in some way related to the original Francis.) The ones
that intrigue me, though, are the James and Thomas Poythress who also
came over early. James Poythress came over so early, there's a very
good chance that he died and left no descendants (times were
especially hard then). The later-coming Thomas is a real possibility
to check into, if no one already has.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Debra Freeman [mailto:debfebneb@qnet.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 6:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: PILI Index

Hello Everybody,
I went to my local library to check out their Genealogy section and
spent 4
hours looking at a section of the books they had available. Now,
here's a
very interesting thing I learned that I can't explain just yet, and
would
like feed back for you all as well.
Remember a couple of weeks back I asked "How do we know for sure that
there
wasn't more than one Poythress coming to the US?"
Concensus was "it's possible". Ok. I'm of the mind Capt Francis was
our
main man and I was all for the theory of him coming alone. Now, I'm
not so
sure. Of course, it would make it easier for all of us if he was the
sole
immigrant, but, what if he wasn't? Could that explain some of the
gaps we
can't bridge? The following names are what I found from "Passenger &
Immigration List Index" all and including 1999 Supplement...that's
right, I
checked every single one of them. (I'll give an explanation of what
the
citation means for those who don't know).

(Page 1674 of V.3)

Poythrees, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

Poythress, James, na, Virginia, 1722, 618, pg 234

from 1996 Supplement
(Page 422)

Poythers, Francis: Virginia, 1637, 6219, pg 84

Poythres, Francis, Virginia, 1642, 6219, pg 187

from 1995 Supplement
(Page 366)

Poyters, Fra: Virginia, 1669, 6221, pg 58

Poytress, John Albert; 27, California, 1897, 2763.38, pg 96

from 1994 Supplement
(Page 398)

Poythress, Elizabeth; Alexandria, VA, 1791, 1640.5, pg 254

from 1992 Supplement
(Page 412)

Poythres, Thomas, Virginia, 1639, 1219.4, pg 203

from 1991 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; Virginia, 1637, 1262, pg 229

from 1985 Supplement

Poythress, Francis; na, Virginia, 1633, 9448, pg 55

Sample of citation:
1 2 3 4 5
6
7
Poythress, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, pg 85

1- Name of passenger
2- Passenger's age
3- Place of Arrival
4- Year of Arrival
5- A code that refers to the source book in which the particular list
can
be found.
6- The page number on which that particular name is listed.

This is really a true mystery to me. I see way too many "Francis' "
coming
into this country after the "1633 Francis" - that's the originial Capt
Francis, I'd bet on that, but who were these others that came over
after
that in 1637, 1639, 1642, 1669, & 1722?
And who does this "John Albert Poytress" belong to that came to CA in
1897?
If he was 27 yrs old, that made his birth year 1870 +-, - his info
came
from the Fresno Tax register. Ring any bells? Now, I'm really
interested
in him as well since Robert Lamar (a brother to my g-grandfather -
Thomas
Boston- supposedly moved to Fresno). Was John Albert related to them
some
how?
My understanding was that all of Capt Francis' children where born in
VA.
Am I wrong there? I am going to see if I can get copies of these
citations from the books that were quoted to see if that sheds any
light on
these people.
One day, can you believe it? I got more questions than I got answers
to. I
got more things to check out now, that's for sure.
Tell me what do you think? Has anyone run across this before? What
did
you find?

Thanks,
Debbie

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		04/18/1999 8:09:26
RE: PILI IndexLou PooleWell, we're going much farther out on the limb, but in general, most
of the merchants I've encountered (got a few up my various trees) did
not own their own ships. I've seen a few cases where they chartered
the whole ship, but by-and-large they just paid the freight for their
cargo. And even if they did, the trade routes were probably a lot
more round-about, and longer, than a ship that was sailing straight to
the end destination. (I certainly don't know if that was the case for
Francis Poythress, but he lived on the south side of the James right
among a whole bunch of Bristol merchants, and very near Merchant's
Hope Church.)

Know what else I've learned was the practice of the day? Every time
one of these men made a round trip, they were apparently entitled to a
new headright grant on their return (talk about a convenient loophole
in the law!). Thus, he may have had some financial inducement to list
himself as an immigrant each time.

That's as deep as I'll go. Surely someone else has more detailed
information to offer -- one way or the other.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Debra Freeman [mailto:debfebneb@qnet.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 9:09 PM
To: 'Lou Poole'
Cc: 'POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com'
Subject: RE: PILI Index

Thanks for the response, Lou.
I ask lots of questions, because I'm new to the Genealogy field.
Please
bear with me. So here goes with another question. If someone is
traveling
back and forth for trade, why are they listed as a "Passenger or
Immigrant"?
I guess I assumed Capt. Francis had his own ship and would not be
included
on such a list as either a passenger or an immigrant since he was
already a
resident as of 1633.
I don't know the rules from back then so how would traveling back and
forth
for business be considered or handled? They wouldn't have passports
since
US was considered part of England, isn't that right? Could some one
clarify
this for me? I'm confused again!
Thanks for the lesson.
Debbie		04/18/1999 8:39:57
RE: PILI IndexCharles NealThanks for the listing, Debbie, and thank you, Lou, for your comments about
it.

My understanding, too, is that every time someone arrived (even someone who
had long been here) there was the potential for their name being included
on such lists. As you both have pointed out, though, it could have been new
Poythress people arriving.

I would be MOST interested in finding out what the books were, which were
referenced as citations for James (#618) & Thomas (#1219), so I can see if
these are things I have already tracked down. Do you have the book titles
& authors & publication data for those two?

Side comment: Seems to me, Debbie, that your comment about spending 1 day
researching and coming away with more questions than answers, is typical of
my experiences & maybe that is what keeps us all doing this pursuit

Keep up the good work! You are a great addition to this process!
BPN
= = = =
>The ones that intrigue me, though, are the James and Thomas Poythress who
also came over early. James Poythress came over so early, there's a very
good chance that he died and left no descendants (times were especially
hard then). The later-coming Thomas is a real possibility to check into,
if no one already has.<		04/18/1999 8:50:12
Re: PILI IndexDebbie, I just wanted to echo Barbara's sentiment to express thanks for
sharing what is for me new and interesting information.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Fw: Porteus/Poytthress and HensleySorry, Tom, but I am drawing a blank on this one - not even rightly
recalling a message from me on this topic. However, I am forwarding to
the rest of the Poythress list, just in case someone else may be able to
help.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Betty J Hensley
To: llbaird@juno.com
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:44:15 -0400
Subject: Porteus/Poytthress and Hensley
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990415094415.007b5e20@swva.net>

Hello
I spotted your message about Samuel Hensley on the Roots-Web Archiver. I
am
a descendent of Samuel Hensley. Unfortunately I don't know anything about
you ancestor who witnessed the Samuel Hensley will during probate. I was
wondering if you had found out anything about the relationship between
these two men? Were they neighbors, was there a marriage somewhere? My
reason for the inquery is that I have never been able to find any records
of Samuel Hensley's ancestors.

Tom Hensley
775 Beaver Creek Rd.,NW
Floyd, VA 24091
bhensley@swva.net
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RE: "Captain" Fra. PoythressLou PooleMaynard, and everybody, including Debbie: Debbie deserves every bit of
the credit for that find (or finds). (Don't even mention my name in
connection with it; I just offered an opinion of the possible meaning)
.

"Easy as pie"? Well, neither you nor I found it before Debbie, did
we? (or anyone else, for that matter) Just goes to show you/us that
there's always unplowed ground, particularly if one does patient
research, and has a "fresh" eye for things!

Lou

I've looked in those passenger arrivals several times and never even
found
one Francis. Obviously, I looked in the wrong place. You and Lou
give me
the impression that finding that thing is easy as pie. Is it?

Maynard

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		04/19/1999 7:14:38
RE: PILI IndexCharles NealDebbie,

Thank you for the two citations (copy of your message below for those who
didn't see it).

I have indeed tracked down the first citation below, re James Poythress.
This is an article by the highly esteemed Lloyd Bockstruck, on page 234 of
the September 1977 issue (Volume 65, No.3) of the highly esteemed
__National Genealogical Society Quarterly__ The article is only one page
long and lists 26 people whose headright grants were recorded in Amelia
County, VA's first Court Order Book.

The entry for James Poythress shows only (per Bockstruck's article) that
the court record was recorded on 20 March 1740/1; and that he applied for
the headright based on passage from London, England in 1722. Bockstruck
lists this as being on p.143 of that first court order book. As Lou noted,
the headrights were available again and again, for each passage. Not only
that, but I have read that the headrights were, in essence, negotiable
instruments -- so one person's proof of passage or headright could be sold
to another person who could then have it recorded in court to get land.

Maynard had tracked down the entry re Thomas Poytres [sic] in the Coldham
reference and some years back given me a photocopy of that p.203 and of
p.428 from the same source.

The p.203 entry cites the __Calendars of State Papers, American & Colonial
Series 1574-1660, Ed. W. Noel Sainsbury__ published by Longman (or Loneman;
hard to read Maynard's notation) & Giz?en, 1860, and shows that on 26 March
1639 "Governor Harvey set up a commission consisting of [4 named]
merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence Evans, merchant, against
abuses committed by his factor Thomas Poythres [sic], a planter of
Virginia." For more on this, refer to the Poythress webpage site.

The p.428 shows that on 23 July of 1659 in the Bristol Record Office, City
of Bristol Record Office, Manuscript Volumes entitled "Servants to Foreign
Plantations," [thus a record in England], there is an entry showing: "Ann
Fuller of Sanford [sic--Coldham's notation], Glos [BPN's note: which would
be Glocester, I would guess], bound to Thomas Poytres, merchant, to serve 5
years in Virginia." Thus this Thomas seems to have already been here at
that time (& could well be the same Thomas as above-mentioned), and was
bringing in Ann Fuller, who owed him 5 years of work for coming here.

Thanks again for furnishing the citations, Debbie, so we could identify
these as things we had already tracked down.
BPN
= = = =
Message text written by Debra Freeman
>Barbara,
I have copied everything so here goes with the citations. Let me know what

you find out. I'm interested to know as well.

Poythress, James, na, VA, 1722, 618, pg 234
Source 618
Bockstruck, Lloyd Dewitt
"Some Amelia County, VA, Colonists, 1737-1745"
National Genealogical Society Quarterly 65:3 (Sept 1977)
pg 234

Poythres, Thomas; VA, 1639, 1219.4, pg 203
Source 1219.4 (this is a long one)
Coldham, Peter Wilson
"The Complete book of Emigrants 1607-1660: A Comprehensive
listing
complied from English Public Records of those who took ship to the Americas
for Political Religious, and Economic Reasons; of those who were
deported for Vagrancy, Roguery, or Non-conformity; and those who were sold
to labour in the New Colonies."
Baltimore; Genealogy Publishing Co., 1988 600 pgs.

(Now, I'm really interesting in this Thomas. He sounds like my ancestor for

sure - the "Non-conformity" has to be a genetic trait in our family :-). )

I find it very interesting. I think it's even worth the effort to track
the women down. I don't know that they would be dead-ends. They might have

family around those areas or would have maybe later on. You never know. I

can't believe that Capt Francis didn't leave family behind and eventually
they come across 10-30 yrs later as well. Who knows. I can't discount
that theory as well. What do you think?
Hope this helps.
Debbie
<		04/19/1999 10:28:23
Re: PILI IndexHey Debbie,

My two cents for what it's worth:

Could the repeat names mean they traveled in and out of the USA?? If they
returned home to check on family or whatever and then came back, would they
then show up again as if it could be a different person when actually maybe
it's one and the same??

BGP

04/20/1999 1:07:47
RaganAnybody still got this guy's e-mail address where you send him a note to sign
up for free subscription? If so, would you please post it. I'm asked for it
and I didn't save it
as I only "cut" the article I wanted. Thanks.

Maynard

04/20/1999 4:01:36
Favorite PlacesCharles NealMaynard,

1) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl (That ending is
"PL" as in "place" -- not a number "one")

By the way, recently RootsWeb announced they have begun a "threaded list
archives" where as of 4/14/99 they had uploaded messages from 3 months of
beta tests, and it already had 122,813 messages from 877 mailing lists.
They intend to start making old list messages available this way, too. The
address is:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/

In light of that, we REALLY need to use titles for our messages that
indicate who, what, &/or where the message is about, since if people
replying use the same caption it will be available in the "thread" with the
original message.

2) I suspect you are referring here to GenWeb where they start with a big
map, rather than RootsWeb. If so, GenWeb's master address is:
http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html

I'm not familiar with a map at a master RootsWeb site, but in their
RootsWeb Review weekly newsletter for those who support RootsWeb with
dollars (and perhaps for folks who don't), they say there is an index to
most user mailing lists hosted by RootsWeb at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/maillist/

3) GASCREVE-D-request@rootsweb.com
Just say "subscribe"

Hope this helps,
BPN
= = = =
Message text written by INTERNET:VKRatliff@aol.com
>Folks, I'm still trying to reconstruct my list after the crash. Would
someone help me with the following addresses:

1) the Poythress archives file on Rootsweb

2) the master address for Rootsweb....where one finds the map and/or the
list
of all the states and their counties so one can go to the county pages

3) the address for the Screven County listserver.....I suspect most of you
wouldn't have this one but you would have the "format" which would be same
as
Mecklenburg or Brunswick for Va., etc.

Thanks,

Maynard

<		04/20/1999 5:46:53
Favorite PlacesFolks, I'm still trying to reconstruct my list after the crash. Would
someone help me with the following addresses:

1) the Poythress archives file on Rootsweb

2) the master address for Rootsweb....where one finds the map and/or the list
of all the states and their counties so one can go to the county pages

3) the address for the Screven County listserver.....I suspect most of you
wouldn't have this one but you would have the "format" which would be same as
Mecklenburg or Brunswick for Va., etc.

Thanks,

Maynard		04/20/1999 11:34:08
Robert Ragan's Email AddressDiana Diamondhttp://www.firstct.com/ragan/hero.html

04/20/1999 12:55:06
R. Bolling Batte Chart on Battes, Jones, StrattonsDiana DiamondThe second series of mini-charts--by R. Bolling Batte on a single scanned
sheet that I have available via email--has the following names:
Batte(?), Martha
Batte, Amy
Batte, Thomas Cpt
Batte, Thomas of Henrico
Epes, Francis
Epes, Francis Immigrant
Epes, Francis Jr.
Epes, William
Jones, Daniel
Jones, Richard
Littlebury(), Elizabeth
Mallory, Martha
Osborne, Lucy
Peterson, John
Peterson, Peter
Shippey, Martha
Stratton, Edward
Stratton, Edward
Thweatt, John
Thweatt, Martha

If you find any of your ancestors among these early Virginia residents, just
let me know.

Diana

04/21/1999 4:23:31
Re: R.Bolling Batte Genealogy ChartDiane,

I would like very much to have a copy of this chart, thank you.

Elise Courtney H. Markham

04/21/1999 4:31:52
R.Bolling Batte Genealogy ChartDiana DiamondI have recently found I have two sheets of genealogy material prepared by R.
Bolling Batte. The first sheet mentions the following names:

Bennett, Anne
Bland, Anne
Bland, Richard
Bland, Richard
Bland, Theodorick
Bolling, ?
DuClere, Susan
Freeman, John
Freeman, Rachel
Isham, Mary
Mickleburrough, Sarah
Peebles, Christian
Poythress, Anne (D. of Peter)
Poythress, John
Poythress, Peter (Son of John)
Randolph, William (TI)
Randolph, Edward
Randolph, Elizabeth
Randolph, Elizabeth
Yates, Bartholomew Rev
Yates, William Rev.
Yates, William Rev.
Utie, Mary Anne

I will send anyone on the list a copy of a scanned Jpeg image upon request.

04/21/1999 8:46:53
RE: Mary Speed DortchWayne ScruggsHi BPN & BPW,
I just saw something on family tree maker that was of some interest to
me. Have you seen it?
It states : Newman Dortch born abt.1775 in Mecklenburg Co., Va. and died
abt. 1835 in the same Co. & State, was married to Sarah Speed March,
29,1800.
They had :
1. James David Dortch- married to a Nancy Ann Dortch in 1824
2. Lucy Russell Dortch- Married to James M. Tucker in 1824
3. Mary Speed Dortch born abt. 1808- married David Poythress Dec.17,1827

( It says it shows Mary's mother as Ann ) My assumption, Could this
be the sister in law Ann instead of the mother?
4. Dortch born between 1810-1820
5. Dortch born between 1810-1820
6. William Archer Dortch born abt. 1818 in Ridgeway, Warren Co., N.C.
died abt.1850 married Sarah G. Poythress Jan.31,1837 Warren Co., N.C.
( notes: William Archer was surety for marriage of Lewis Y.Poythress and
Mary C. Ferguson )
7. Sarah/Sally Dortch born abt.1820 married David Poythress March 1838
Warren Co., N.C.

I sure would love to know who summitted this. It all sure fits in. What
do you think?
I am writing to a Dortch now who has a 95 year old aunt Mae Dortch. He
is going to see what she knows and get back to me.Waiting to hear from
you.
Judy		04/22/1999 2:21:55
Re: FTM DortchYes, this FTM information as introduced to us by John Pyle has been
interesting to help formulate theories to pursue. For example, it has
helped us focus on David and Rebecca Dortch Taylor as candidate parents
for Rebecca B. Taylor Poythress. This would imply that the three
Poythress-Dortch marriages of the later generation might have been
continuations of TAYLOR-Dortch alliances rather than POYTHRESS-Dortch
alliances. Sadly, as with all unsubstantiated information, we can do
little more with it than formulate theories and wait to see whether
substantiation will be forthcoming. As has been pointed out, in this
particular instance we have enough obvious inconsistencies to be
particularly careful of this information. Nevertheless, thanks again to
John Pyle and Judy Speed Scruggs - and do keep on a-scavenging! - LPB

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:29:38 EDT Beetle72@aol.com writes:
>Judy,
>Thank you for forwarding this. Another researcher John Pyle, a Dortch
>
>researcher shared Dortch info that he had gotten from WFT#1448. Is
>this the
>source you have seen?
>
>My speculation has been that David's two wives were related in some
>way,
>because of proximity and the general rule of closeness among the
>families
>then.
>
>On the marriage record of Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress,
>consent was
>given (1827) by Ann Dortch, mother of Mary Speed. Perhaps Sarah had
>the
>middle name Ann. However, a curious thing would be why the mother
>would be
>giving consent while the father was still alive. It is very unusual to
>see a
>woman's consent, so here I had speculated that the father, in this
>case
>Newman Dortch was dead. But your notes show him living until about
>1835.
>
>And BPN, note that the surety on this marriage bond was Isaac Taylor.
>
>
>Finding the submitter would be great and do let us know what your
>Dortch
>researcher discovers.
>
>Best,
>Barbara (BPW)

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Re: Mary Speed DortchJudy,
Thank you for forwarding this. Another researcher John Pyle, a Dortch
researcher shared Dortch info that he had gotten from WFT#1448. Is this the
source you have seen?

My speculation has been that David's two wives were related in some way,
because of proximity and the general rule of closeness among the families
then.

On the marriage record of Mary Speed Dortch and David Poythress, consent was
given (1827) by Ann Dortch, mother of Mary Speed. Perhaps Sarah had the
middle name Ann. However, a curious thing would be why the mother would be
giving consent while the father was still alive. It is very unusual to see a
woman's consent, so here I had speculated that the father, in this case
Newman Dortch was dead. But your notes show him living until about 1835.

And BPN, note that the surety on this marriage bond was Isaac Taylor.

Finding the submitter would be great and do let us know what your Dortch
researcher discovers.

Best,
Barbara (BPW)		04/22/1999 11:29:38
Bk of Emigrants by ColdhamCharles NealSince this article is on a subject recently under discussion here, I
thought some of you would appreciate seeing it.
BPN
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by Brian Bonner Mavrogeorge

A correspondent asked for more specifics on the records kept in England of
people emigrating to the American colonies. He had been unable to find any
information. One source to check is "The Complete Book of Emigrants." This
is a series of books compiled
by Peter Wilson Coldham and published by the Baltimore Genealogical
Publishing Co. The complete set is available on CD ROM:
.

Coldham consulted many sources in England and the U.S. when abstracting the
information for his books. Here are two examples of actions that resulted
in "emigration records": (1) English law in 1606 required emigrants to
obtain a license, take an oath of
allegiance, and submit to examination (few of these records survive); (2)
Planters in the American colonies were awarded acreage for each indentured
servant brought to the colonies. And as a result, many children and young
people were forcibly deported or abducted.

Bridewell, a home for the destitute, became a source for indentured
servants. Not all went willingly. In 1645 the English parliament Ordered
that departing ships be searched to apprehend and bring to justice those
who were conveying or receiving children. In 1654 the Bristol Common
Council ordered that a register be kept of indentures in an attempt to stop
the trade in kidnapped children. Coldham says, "It would have been
inconceivable to a 17th-century Englishman to picture Virginia as anything
but a disreputable colony since it was largely peopled by the scourings
from English prisons, vagrants, waifs, and
strays, and those lured into migration by promises of land and wealth." His
publications are a good place to start the search. He cites his sources.

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04/22/1999 11:39:53
Re: FTM DortchCharles NealDear Judy, BPW, & Lyn,

Appreciate the messages about Mary Speed Dortch & David Poythress. I, too,
would love to learn more about the source for the WFT#1448, or any other
Family Tree Maker entry regarding this.

I also look forward, Judy, to anything you may learn thru your Dortch
connection's elderly aunt.

Wishing you all the best,
BPN		04/23/1999 5:41:39
Natchez traceHi cousins,

I posted some of this to Maynard and I thought some of you might like
to hear about my trip.

I have been lurking, but have spent more time researching my father's
line recently. My father is 81 yo and his mother died when he was 7
yo, leaving little family history for the
Hays/Carter/Griffing/Yelton/Franklin lines. My mother and grandmother
have done alot of research on the Randolph/Slaughter line and belonged
to DAR and Colonial Dames.

I just got back from a wonderful trip. We took our children to New
Orleans and followed the MS river up to Natchez. We visited Nottaway
Plantation, where my ancestors danced in the White ballroom visiting
their cousins. (My ancestor Peter Randolph was John H. Randolph's
half brother.) I talked with the historian there and have sent her
some of the info on Peter's line. We stopped at Grace Episcopal
Church
where my Micajah and Adine Woods Courtney and other relatives are
buried
in St. Francisville, LA. Micajah owned 3 plantations-one with his
son-in-law, Dr. Peter Randolph. We stopped inWoodville, MS, to look
for Holly Grove,
Peter's home, but it is privately owned. We didn't have time to
visit the
numerous graveyards on plantations in the area. The relatives are
quite scattered. We continued to Natchez where the annual pilgrimage
was in progress and followed the Natchez Trace up to Jackson, MS. I
felt like I was completely at home under the ancient moss laden oaks
that covered the graveyard and grounds surrounding Grace Episcopal.
Talk about roots!

If anyone connects with any of these, I'll be glad to share my info.

Elise Courtney H Markham		04/23/1999 8:49:05
David Taylor, Meck, 18th CenturyCharles NealEnjoyed the info about the Mecklenburg courthouse having been at one time
in the house of David Taylor, though I am fuzzy-headed enough with a bad
cold to have lost track of how his name came up...

In looking up some Mecklenburg Co, VA marriages this evening, I saw in
__Mecklenburg Co, VA Marriages, 1765-1853__ by John Vogt & T. Wm Kethley,
Jr, the following entries for David TAYLORs (presented here in date order,
rather as in the book):

"Taylor, David & Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778; d of David Dortch b- William
Taylor"
"Taylor, David D & Martha Small 17 Dec 1825; b- Isaac Taylor min-
Sterling m. Fowler- 19 Dec 1825"
"Taylor, David & Catharine Bowen 25 Mar 1829; b- William Matthews"

BPN		04/23/1999 10:21:18
Re: CensusVictoria......we'd LOVE 1790 stuff on N. Y. Poythresses.......I still can't
believe it

Thanks,

Maynard		04/24/1999 3:24:16
CensusLea, how do doin' dear? Our trip down to Waverly Hall got put off
indefinitely. My sister-in-law's father went to the hospital in San Antonio
with a stroke and lingered
a long time before giving up....so we just put the trip on hold. Jean and I
will likely get down there in the late fall and I'll let you know ahead of
time.

I have heard now from several friends that Rootsweb is "transcribing the
census" via
an army of volunteers.

I thought to myself what in the world are those folks doing? Why the heck
would they be recruiting volunteers to actually transcribe that monster by
hand and make all the errors all over again that are in those haphazard paper
volumes of only certain counties and certain years (a la those bookshelves at
the GDAH)?

Don't they realize the camera has been invented and at the rate of growth for
all things genealogical the entire census is going to be digitalized 100%,
zoomable in and out, etc. etc. before they can even get out of the gate
transcribing that thing by hand?

And that rotten multi-volume hard copy INDEX....that Accelerated Indexing
System.....or whatever its dumb name is.....missed a ton of names, didn't
have the foggiest notion of 19th century handwritting conventions, etc. etc.
That's probably what needs fixing but we know it's terrible to begin with so
most of us have been working our way around that dog more or less
satisfactorily for years.

So......next somebody gives me the URL.....and knowing I could ask you dumb
questions (and you wouldn't be surprised) I went straight to your Muscogee
County page and saw it listed as having 1860's census finished. I sez, sez
I, well, that ought be be a good test because 1860 has considerable "line"
information on heads of household and a bunch of other stuff. I can't wait
to see how they handled that.

I get there and lo and behold all that's there are names and census page
numbers. AH HA, sez I, I think I just broke the code: those folks aren't
"transcribing the census" for Pete's sake, what they're doing is
RE-TRANSCRIBING AND FIXING THE INDEX.

That "fix" (a) was something that needed doing all by itself anyway and (b)
will be EVEN MORE NEEDED when the entire census is digitalized because with
just "camera work" to digitalize the census there ain't no way in the world
the census is going to be "searchable" for years. No time soon will opti-scan
be smart enough to learn the quirky 19th century handwriting of 3000+
different enumerators, most of whom are long dead. So....those folks at
Rootsweb are downright brilliant, they figured out exactly what was needed.
And with an army of people working on it, re-transcribing the index likely is
not going to take that long.

So.....I know I started off dumb....but did I end up dumb too or did I
(somewhat) figure it out?

Maynard		04/24/1999 6:15:54
CensusVictoria L. GermanFound this address and was wondering if the rest of you have seen it?

http://www.censuslinks.com/directory/

Also, I was at the here going through census looking for my polish
relatives and found in the 1790 census for N.Y. Poythress families. Is
anyone interested? I don't want to post stuff that's already been posted
or that no one is interested in.(My husband, sons and I all share this
one computer and they all are always complaining that I hog it! Can you
imagine?!)

Victoria German		04/24/1999 6:49:52
Geneology on Today showBeginning 25 April 1999
All next week long the TODAY SHOW are tracing their roots
beginning Sunday, then Monday is Ann Curries Heritage
Tuesday is Al Roker - Wednesday is Katie Couric
Thursday is Matt Lauer - Friday, How to trace your roots

Glenda		04/24/1999 10:42:53
Small Scale MapsTwo, maybe three suggestions for sources:

1) "Cyndi's List".....just about the most comprehensive genealogical website
going. That gal could link you to the moon. If she doesn't have an address
for it, it can't be had. It's: http://www.cyndislist.com/ ......you can
also find some sites that Cyndi recommends where you can freebie download
some maps. One of Cyndi's links is the U. of Ga.'s Hargrett Library of Rare
Books and Manuscripts which has some neat Georgia maps you can download.
Frankly those are more for fun because they are quaint. They aren't much
good to work with because the scale is just too large and you can't zoom 'em.

2) For really small scale stuff I order 7.5 minute "topos" (topographical
survey maps) from the U. S. Geological Survey. The scale on a 7.5' topo is
1:24,000 or 2 1/2 inches to make a mile. For example, it takes 6 maps to
cover Screven County.
I also ordered the 1:250,000 size for Georgia & Virginia and it takes about 4
of them to cover states that size.

The state maps are better just for historical perspectives. For counties,
with a 7.5' topo you can plot the coordinates on a one seat privy. They show
elevations at 10' gradations, forested areas, lakes, highways, streams,
churches, cemeteries but not much else. Buildings are shown as little black
squares.

The number for the U. S. Geological Survey is 1-800-USA-MAPS. You tell them
what states you are interested in and they will send you a map for each state
that is about 3 feet square and has the state gridded off into 7.5'
quadrangles and each has a "name". For example, to cover Screven County you
will see from the Georgia "ordering map" that you will need the quadrangles
for: Screven North, Sylvania South, Jacksonboro Bridge, Hunters, Briar Creek
Landing & Blue Springs Landing.

They are cheap for what you get but they ain't cheap. It's about 3 bucks a
map as I recall. For about 35 bucks more or less one can usually have about
all one needs for a couple of states and a county. The USGS has several
offices across the country but I guarantee L. A. , even if they have an
office, isn't going to have any Georgia quadrangles. You might as well order
them from the central depot yourself.

Even if you think you probably won't be interested it's fun to order all the
state grids
and other material which is free.

3. Al Tims and Barbara Neal had some neat maps that they were using to
overlay acetates of family land grants in Virginia. I was in awe of what
they were doing but didn't have a clue as to how they were doing it.....and
that sort of sounds like what you may have in mind. I'm sure one of them
would be happy to explain the drill to you. If you want to see one go to the
webpage and check land & court records and it's about the second item on the
directory

Maynard		04/24/1999 12:19:38
Screven MarriagesOne of the files on those disks I sent you is a hodge podge of Screven
marriage lists. You may want to print those up before you go to LDS if
you're going to look at Screven marriages.

The problems with the county records are many. Way back someone copied all
the
records into yet other multiple courthouse books. For the first thirty years
or so the marriages were reported in the same court house book as estate
settlements and transcribing that got a little messy. Some kind soul came
along and did a typed abstract of some marriages which is a help but it
created yet another list. The same marriages are listed in several different
courthouse books. And finally, when the LDS folks came in years ago to
microfilm the things my guess is they just threw up their hands and
microfilimed all the versions since it probably couldn't be figured out.
That's what I would have done anyway.

I made those multiple lists on my trip to Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. What
I had planned to do with those several lists of raw data is to ignore all the
"Book numbers" and simply consolidate all the lists by marriage date and
names and be done with it. If you're looking at LDS records that you have
some confidence in you might note that on one of those microfilm lists from
the GDAH some turkey listed all the marriages by the dates the licenses were
taken out. That's probably not a show stopper but there is at least the
chance that some of those marriages didn't happen until later and some of
them maybe not at all. If you think you have the actual marriage dates right
there in front of you (and and I think I'd trust the LDS material on this)
you may want to just note the actual marriage date for when we get around to
polishing up that list.

Thanks,

Maynard

04/24/1999 12:40:01
CensusCharles NealVictoria,

Thanks for the site address. Poythress families in NEW YORK in 1790?!?
Incredible.

Sounds like time for some gift-opportunity computers at your house, as so
many of our households have had to do

BPN		04/25/1999 5:57:44
Re: David TAYLOR and William TAYLOR, Mecklenburg Co., Va., 18th CenturyGreat to see the full information on the David TAYLOR - Rebecca DORTCH
marriage, and very pleased to see the bond supports Rebecca DORTCH as
daughter of David DORTCH. I also note with interest this explicit link
between this David TAYLOR and a William TAYLOR. Could this be the
William TAYLOR from my message
"Poythress-Nance-Drumright-Taylor-Poythress?" of 10-21-98? An excerpt
follows:

= = = = = = = = = =
This is taken from a 1974 book by Grace Drumright DOWLAND on the
Drumright family: "Nancy DRUMRIGHT, oldest daughter of William
DRUMRIGHT, Sr. (ca. 1748-1828), married Goodwyn TAYLOR, 21 Jan 1794.
William TAYLOR, father of Goodwyn TAYLOR, made a will in 1803 naming as
executors Goodwyn TAYLOR and William DRUMRIGHT, Sr. The will was
witnessed by William, Sally, Ephraim and Lucy DRUMRIGHT, children of
William DRUMRIGHT."...Certainly we have the 1802 marriage of Lewis
POYTHRESS and Rebecca TAYLOR, as well as the often cited involvement of
Isaac TAYLOR. But is Rebecca's family the same as that TAYLOR family
allied to the DRUMRIGHTs? As yet I have no evidence. Mrs. Dowland cites
the children of Goodwyn and Nancy TAYLOR and among them is not Isaac
TAYLOR. She does not cite the children of Nancy's father, William
TAYLOR, and I do not have a copy of his will.
= = = = = = = = = =

Of course now we know a little more than we did in October, certainly
that Isaac TAYLOR is son of David TAYLOR. I would like to propose as a
working theory that William TAYLOR is brother or uncle of David TAYLOR.
I also believe it would be useful to better understanding Lewis POYTHRESS
for us to get a transcription of this 1803 will of William TAYLOR, as
well as any extant estate records of David TAYLOR or Rebecca DORTCH
Taylor. Besides, you may recall there are two other Dortch-Taylor
marriages in Mecklenburg for which we do not yet have context. I believe
the above estate records may prove useful in understanding alliance of
Dortch and Taylor families. -LPB

On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:21:18 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>Enjoyed the info about the Mecklenburg courthouse having been at one
>time
>in the house of David Taylor, though I am fuzzy-headed enough with a
>bad
>cold to have lost track of how his name came up...
>
>In looking up some Mecklenburg Co, VA marriages this evening, I saw in
>__Mecklenburg Co, VA Marriages, 1765-1853__ by John Vogt & T. Wm
>Kethley,
>Jr, the following entries for David TAYLORs (presented here in date
>order,
>rather as in the book):
>
>"Taylor, David & Rebecca Dortch 9 May 1778; d of David Dortch b-
>William
>Taylor"
>"Taylor, David D & Martha Small 17 Dec 1825; b- Isaac Taylor min-
>Sterling m. Fowler- 19 Dec 1825"
>"Taylor, David & Catharine Bowen 25 Mar 1829; b- William Matthews"
>
>BPN

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"Reading that Stuff"Deb: for you and to our number of folks just getting into this game: how do
you read ALL THAT STUFF off microfilm?

1. strong light.....unless you're under 35. Or make a xerox copy (if its
worth the
cost), take it home and work on it like a crossword puzzle. Wine helps.

2. more importantly, understand that it's sort of like learning to type. No
one types
"t-h-e" as three distinct letters. After a while your brainbone gets
connected to the
finger bones. You just type "the" in three swift coordinated strokes that
you
have memorized as a "set" of motions without even knowing it.

Reading those documents is just like that. "Follow the money": those
clerks
were being paid by the word. Billy Bob never just SOLD anything to Ray
Roy. It's
"the aforesaid Billy Bob hath granted, bargained, sold, aliened, released
and
confirmed and by these presents doth grant, bargain, sell, alien, release
and
confirm......etc., etc., etc". AND THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING.

Once your brainbone absorbs about a half dozen deeds they get to be easy
to
read because they all DO say the same thing. You can now "read that
stuff"
because you 95% know what it's gonna say before you ever get there. Voila!

Maynard		04/26/1999 1:05:27
David TAYLOR & Wm TAYLOR, Mecklnbg Co, VA 1700sCharles NealLyn,

I've lost it again... Looked back at your 21 Oct 1998 message you cited,
but I don't understand how it is you know that the father of Rebecca B.
TAYLOR was William TAYLOR?

Thanks,
BPN		04/26/1999 7:53:54
RE: PILI and "Follow the Money"Lou PooleBRAVO! Masterful analysis and conclusion, Maynard!

I, too, have noticed a recent proliferation of "trash" out there in
the field of genealogy (bet it's somehow correlated with the explosion
of interest in genealogy, which is also correlated with our moving
onto computers and the Internet). Seems like we have maybe two or
three (at most) comings and goings, and the rest are either duplicates
or "careless" (you explained the probable motivation) citations.

There certainly is a lesson-learned in this. I know some folks don't
have access to primary records, but in this age of "careless"
publication, the closer we can get to primary records, the better the
sanity check we'll have. And independent confirmation of "facts" is
becoming more and more important.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:51 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: PILI and "Follow the Money"

I took flack before for constructing "economic models" to solve
problems but
that's life.

PILI has a single maybe-legitimate puzzle for us. Beyond that PILI is
a
seriously flawed data base. PILI appears to be a "for profit"
operation that
gets paid on "volume". PILI has no incentive to introduce a
"discriminant
function" process to weed out multiplication of names. Discriminant
functions don't pay. It's much nicer to get paid "by the name" which
is all
indoor work and no heavy lifting.

The PILI title is technically correct. I'll consider it my own fault
for
assuming the thing to be a compilation of ship passenger manifests
alone. I
suspect we have all thought that way. Why? Well, our speculation so
far has
been confined to the questions of "just how many trips" did Francis
make......as if "transport land grants" were something like
negotiable,
noncancelable frequent-flyer points (which they OFTEN were).		04/27/1999 2:44:13
PILI and "Follow the Money"I took flack before for constructing "economic models" to solve problems but
that's life.

PILI has a single maybe-legitimate puzzle for us. Beyond that PILI is a
seriously flawed data base. PILI appears to be a "for profit" operation that
gets paid on "volume". PILI has no incentive to introduce a "discriminant
function" process to weed out multiplication of names. Discriminant
functions don't pay. It's much nicer to get paid "by the name" which is all
indoor work and no heavy lifting.

The PILI title is technically correct. I'll consider it my own fault for
assuming the thing to be a compilation of ship passenger manifests alone. I
suspect we have all thought that way. Why? Well, our speculation so far has
been confined to the questions of "just how many trips" did Francis
make......as if "transport land grants" were something like negotiable,
noncancelable frequent-flyer points (which they OFTEN were).

The "sleeper" is the "Immigrant" in the PILI title. If a name shows up on a
certain colonial record the individual is conveniently recorded to be an
"immigrant" AS OF that date. Thus the individual's name and PILI "line data"
get "into the book". I don't know how PILI picks which records to use but
the list looks to be expanding much faster than one might reasonably expect
for newly discovered ship passenger manifests. After all, PILI does have a
fat new 500 page (100,000 names) "supplemental" volume for sale each year.
We should all get such action. How many libraries have a genealogy section?

PROPOSITION: THERE WERE NOT SEVEN FRANCISES. FRANCIS WAS NOT MAKING SEVEN
TRIPS. FRANCIS JUST GOT HIS NAME LISTED SEVEN TIMES.

A housekeeping item: in addition to the annual supplements, PILI also
publishes volumes that are "bundles" of two or more year's worth of
supplements. This only throws off the page numbers that we may each be
respectively looking at. That is not a tough fix. The entries will still be
in the same chronological order in which they appear in PILI. The "code"
lines can continue to differentiate for us. My guess is that even PILI is not
cheeky enough to run precisely duplicate data lines.

I intend to be something of a hard case for PILI. "Immigrants" by a shaky
definition "qualify" on a technicality. For me, PILI doesn't earn excess
credibility. With respect to the transportees, their data would appear to
be less polluted than listing farmers as immigrants but "trading chits" is
always a possibility.

Before considering the evidence, it is helpful to read the introduction to
Nell M. Nugent's seminal work on Virginia land patents, "Cavaliers &
Pioneers". This six volume work is a major source for PILI and cited
frequently:

"The term headrights in connection with a patent for land has been subject to
no little misunderstanding." "....any person who paid his own way to
Virginia should be assigned 50 acres of land 'for his owne personal
adventure,' and, if he transported 'at his owne cost' one or more persons he
should, for each person whose passage he paid, be awarded fifty acres of
land". "Among the headrights are found persons of all social classes,
nobility and gentry, yeomanry, indentured servants (some of good family and
connection in England), and negroes." "It is not to be assumed that the
claim for land in consequence of a person transported was made immediately
after the arrival of the 'headright' in the Colony. The headrights may have
arrived in the Colony long before the patentee had entered claim for the land
thereby due. Nor is it to be assumed that the headright is necessarily an
immigrant. Even men of prominence in the Colony, through a voyage or
repeated voyages to England and return, appear as 'headrights' of friends or
relatives, who acquitted the cost of the passage in order to obtain the
consequent land."

Based on the foregoing, the use of abstracted land patents to establish a
dated immigrant list would appear to be supping on thin gruel but PILI sups
all the same.

Some thoughts on the entries:

1. Poythrees, Sarah Ann, na, Philadelphia, PA, 1853, 9305, p 85.
I choose to de-emphasize her for three reasons: a) late arrival date likely
not to affect any of us b) WPA compilations are always shaky, especially ones
that run 11 volumes and are named "Index to Records of Aliens Declarations of
Intention and/or Oaths of Allegiance, 1785-1880" and c) as has been pointed
out it is highly unlikely that she would be a "progenitor" by genealogy's
definition. In short, I'm inclined to believe she should be kept on the
watch list in case she shows up but I'm not going to invest any time chasing
after her.

2. Poythress, James, na, Virginia, 1722, 618, p. 85
Barbara Neal has covered this one already. I will add that James may indeed
be a progenitor for some of us. However, the record from which his name was
taken (albeit a highly respected source) is simply not a passenger list and
doesn't even claim to be. The source is the first court order book of Amelia
County, founded in 1735, only six years before said James Poythress is
cashing a transports-for-headrights chit in 1740 for a passage that
presumably took place EIGHTEEN YEARS earlier.

Note that Amelia County (headed westward) was carved in 1735 out of Prince
George and Brunswick, right where one would have suspected one of Francis'
descendants to be sitting with a chit to spend as soon as enough settlers
"civilized" the place. I don't have a lead pipe argument against this entry,
but it sure doesn't excite me as a "new find". But unquestionably, James is
a fellow we need to identify.

3) Poythers, Francis: Virginia, 1637, 6219, p. 84.
The cited reference is Nell Nugent's "Cavaliers & Pioneers", Vol. I, a
standard compilation of abstracts of land grants (many based on "transports")
from 1623 to 1800 in six volumes. There is no reference to a Francis Poythers
on page 84, on either a page 84 of any of the six Nugent volumes or on any
"page 84" of the original Patent Books which are being abstracted by Nugent.

I will make this point now because the finding applies to "two additional"
Francises listed below. Although there is nothing on page 84, there are
Francis Poythress references in the first two volumes of Pioneers and
Cavaliers....the one that MATCHES THIS PILI entry would be:

Vol. 2, p. 60 (Cav&Pios) Francis Poythers in 1637, Charles Citty County, is
patenting 400 acres "N. UPON HIS OWN LAND" (emphasis mine).....50 acres for
his "his own pers. adv." (his owne personal adventure) & 350 acres for trans.
of 7 pers: Richard Wells, etc. etc."

So PILI says he's an immigrant in 1737 based on a patent.... but a patent
"North upon (what is already) his own land" ? Possible but highly unlikely.

4) Poythres, Francis: Virginia, 1642, 6219, p. 187
11) Poythres, Francis: Virginia, 1642, 6220, p. 129

The only differences in these two are the citations, the first on Vol. 1 of
Cav.&Pio. and the second on Vol. II. It is quite likely these are the same
individual and there is a correlating land grant on p. 129 of Vol. I:

"ROBERT EYRES, 200 acs. Low Norf. Co., May 22, 1642, Page 780. About 8 mi.
up a Southern branch of Eliza. River. Trans. of 4 pers: Robert Eyres, Francis
Poythres, William Brown, John Herring."

My guess is that this indeed is our Francis (as are likely all the others).
The name is spelled with one "s". This is not a big issue but we have a
specimen of Francis' handwriting and he indeed signed his own name with one
"s".

Since we know Francis1 was in Virginia in 1633 this can either be a different
Francis or Francis1 appearing in some context other than an immigrant.
Francis in an alternate context appears to be the better bet. Eyres seems to
be putting together his own holding of two hundred acres. He gets 50 "on his
owne adventure",
50 from Francis1, 50 from a William Brown, and 50 from John Herring, an on
the record associate of Francis1 from an earlier time in Virginia.

5) Poyters, Fra: Virginia, 1669, 6221, p. 58
The citation is of Cav&Pio on p. 58 is:

"MR. THO. NEWHOUSE, 1050 acs. Chas. Citty Co., S. side James Riv., 15 July
1669, p. 227. Adj. Mr. Sparrow, Burchen Sw. &c. Trans 21 pers: Edward Ellis,
....
Fra. Poyters,....."

Three choices here: either Mr. Newhouse is indeed transporting in a new
Francis Poythress or it is Francis1 dabbling in transport chits or Francis2
dabbling in transport chits (Francis1 is said to have died in 1669). I will
accept the spelling variant but choose to speculate on the likelihood that
either Francis1 or Francis2 are dabbling in chits to help a friend or to make
money. PILI doesn't appear to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

6) Poythress, John Albert; 27, California, 1897, 2763.38, p. 96
I choose not to worry about him for obvious reasons.

7) Poythress, Elizabeth; Alexandria, VA, 1791, 1640.5, p. 254
The citation is from Dobson, David; "Directory of Scottish Settlers in
America 1625-1825, Genealogical Publishing Co., Vol. 5, p. 254. I don't
question the citation, just whether or not Elizabeth matters to us. The
"dictionary" simply lists names. We can keep her on file but there doesn't
appear to be any convenient way to track her. And she has an awfully late
date and is in an unlikely piece of Virginia.

8) Poythres, Thomas, Virginia, 1639, 1219, Vol. 4, p.203
The citation is from Peter Wilson Coldham's "The Complete Book of Immigrants",
Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, Vol. 4, pp. 203 (as cited) but
also on pp. 428 there is a reference to Ann Fuller, a woman of Sanford, Glos.
who is indentured to a Thomas Poythress of Virginia in 1659.

The entry in question cites "on 26 March 1639 Governor Harvey set up a
commission of merchants to examine the complaint of Laurence Evans, merchant,
against his factor Thomas (sic) Poythress, a planter of Virginia".

This action is reported in MULTIPLE sources but the accused is always (except
herein) said to be Francis Poythress.

Credible Poythress family historian Dr. William B. Hall, writing in The
William & Mary Quarterly (vol. 14, year 1934, p. 77ff.) among others, cites
"....proceedings in cause between Evans and (Francis) Poythress as of March
23, 1639 - directed a further inquiry when Evans was to go to Virginia
himself" (Colonial Papers, X, No. 29, p.27).

Further with Dr. Hall: "evidently Francis Poythress was acquitted of any
breach of trust and became a trusted and valued officer of the Colony. He is
mentioned in 1644-46 as Lieutenant Francis Poythress and subsequent to 1647
as Captain. He was Burgess in 1644-45 and 47 for Charles City County and in
1648 for Northumberland County.

Dr. Hall and several others cite "Francis". This author (Coldham) alone cites
"Thomas", perhaps confusing it with the 1659 entry of Thomas Poythress
(Francis had a son named Thomas) referring to the indentured Ann Fuller. The
Fuller item may or may not be the case but the item itself is irrelevant to
this question.

The evidence says this "Thomas Poythress" was indeed "Francis Poythress".

9) Poythress, Francis; Virginia, 1637, 1262, p. 229.
This entry is from Colket, Meredith B., "Founders of Early America Families:
Emigrants from Europe 1607-1657", published in Cleveland for the General
Court of
Founders and Patriots of America. A single name listing in an
ego-organization is not credible evidence of anything more than just a
"name". It reinforces the notion that PILI is maximizing pages to sell.

10) Poythress, Francis; na, Virginia, 1633, 9448, p. 55.
Again, Francis Poythress is a single name listing in Virkus, Fredrick Adams'
"A List of 2500 Immigrants to America Before 1750", Genealogical Publishing
Co., Baltimore, p. 55. Comment: ditto above.

Summary: James Poythress of 1722 is for us to identify, the seven Francis
Poythresses strongly suggest themselves to be a single individual. And PILI
ought to be ashamed of themselves.		04/27/1999 6:50:52
Re: David TAYLOR & Wm TAYLOR, Mecklnbg Co, VA 1700sSorry for the confusion. I do not have evidence that William TAYLOR is
the father of Rebecca B. TAYLOR Poythress. My current best guess is that
David TAYLOR is her father. In my 10/21/98 message I meant to be asking
whether Rebecca B. TAYLOR Poythress might be related to William TAYLOR,
not necessarily that she might be his daughter.

This brings up a point about how I view Taylor research v. Poythress
research in lower Virginia. I assume in the absence of contrary evidence
that any two Poythresses in Southside are fairly close and traceable kin.
There appear to be too many Taylors to make this same assumption. So
with Taylors, I'm always thinking in terms of "same line or different
line". In this context my hypothesis can be stated as "David TAYLOR and
William TAYLOR may be in the same line."

Maybe if I should ever get serious about connecting with REAL Taylor
researchers who have some contextual knowledge, this simplistic approach
can be discarded. Meanwhile, we soldier on building our own
Taylor-Dortch contect, from which arises my interest in Taylor estate
records. 🙂 LPB

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:53:54 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>Lyn,
>
>I've lost it again... Looked back at your 21 Oct 1998 message you
>cited,
>but I don't understand how it is you know that the father of Rebecca
>B.
>TAYLOR was William TAYLOR?
>
>Thanks,
>BPN

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George Poythress 1794BPN, Bud, and Maynard:
This may be old news in the timeline for George:

"Burke County citizens signing a character recommendation concerning John
Lasseter, JP, December 1794." This appeared in the "Augusta Chronicle and
Gazette" Listed among other names was a Geo. Poythress.
This was in "The Reconstructed 1790 Census of Georgia -- Substitutes
for Georgia's Lost 1790 Census" written or compiled by Marie DeLamar and
Elisabeth Rothstein.

BPW		04/28/1999 7:37:47
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ALABAMA. 1850. Fayette County

ALABAMA. 1860. Fayette County

IOWA. 1870 Dallas County

NORTH CAROLINA. 1900 Transylvania County
census/1900/>
TEXAS. 1910 Waller County

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ALABAMA. 1860 Tuscaloosa County (Partial)

ALABAMA. 1840 Washington County (Southern District)

FLORIDA. 1860 Brevard County

FLORIDA. 1850 St. Lucie County (18th. Div.)

GEORGIA. 1860 Washington County

KENTUCKY. 1850 Bracken County

KENTUCKY. 1830 Nicholas County

KENTUCKY. 1820 Ohio County

KENTUCKY. 1830 Ohio County

MISSISSIPPI. 1840 Simpson County

MISSISSIPPI. 1840 Tunica County (Northern District)

NORTH CAROLINA. 1850 Greene County

NORTH CAROLINA. 1860 Stokes County (Partial -- Danbury)

PENNSYLVANIA. 1820 Bedford County (Partial -- Napier,
Southampton, Greenfield Twps.)

PENNSYLVANIA. 1820 Schuylkill County (Partial -- Manheim,
Pinegrove, Rush, Union, Schuylkill, Orwigsburg Borough,
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* * * * *		04/28/1999 8:32:00
Maner ResearcherBelow to Ed Todd of Wilmington who sent me a Maner query. I told him that I
was a Maynard because my mother thought all those country folks down in S.
Georgia were just slurring Maynard into Maner. Sez Ed: hey, she did the
right thing by mistake, the original WAS Maynard and the variant is
Maner.....so I guess those folks down in S. Georgia DID slur it into Maner. 🙂

Bud, I gave him your name and number in case he stumbles across any Hester
Wilder Mock stuff while he is fooling around in Screven County records.

Maynard

>>>
Subj: Re: Maner
Date: 4/29/99
To: Eara2

Ed.....mailing you a 3 1/2 floppy today. I just "searched" and copied every
file that came up saying it had "Maner" in it so if you get to a Maner the
Barbarian or something goofy just junk it. There may be a nougat or two in
there for you but most of it is "peripheral Maner". Hope it helps.

Maynard

P. S.....the "Bud" mentioned in the files is "almost" a Maner descendant who
lives right there in Wilmington.....Bud Poythress, 4741 Rushing Drive,
452-6338. Bud descends from the first marriage of Meredith Poythress, Jr. to
Hester Wilder Mock;
I descend from the second marriage of Meredith Poythress, Jr. to Susan R.
Maner,
daughter of John S. Maner, Sr. Bud is on our listserver discussion group
which has about a dozen or so "actives" on it.		04/29/1999 4:40:53
GEDCOM & New Census IndexCharles Neal>From Vol. 4 No. 18 - May 1, 1999 issue of Eastman's Newsletter.
The following articles are from Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter and are copyright 1999 by Richard W. Eastman. They are
re-published here with the permission of the author.

Dick Eastman asks that if you do contact any of the companies or societies
mentioned in
his newsletter, please tell them that you read about their services in his
newsletter.

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- Heritage Quest U.S. Census Indexes on CD-ROM

Heritage Quest, formerly known as the American Genealogical Lending Library
(AGLL), has been supplying genealogy data on paper and microfilm for many
years. In the past year or two they have moved into digital publishing, and
I have written about some of their earlier products in this newsletter.
This week I had a chance to use one of their newest products: the Family
Quest Archives CD-ROM version of the 1870 U.S. census. The particular disk
that I used was for the state of Ohio.

Other companies have produced CD-ROM census indexes in the past, and
indexes are now becoming available online as well. However, there is one
major difference in Heritage Quest's new CD-ROM disks: these are
newly-created indexes.

Printed indexes to the 1790 through 1850 censuses and some 1860 censuses
have been available for many years. However, these indexes are plagued by a
high error rate. In some spot checks, as many as 10% of the records are
missing or mislabeled or contained
erroneous spellings. Until now, most of the electronic U.S. census indexes
came from the same source as the printed books. Heritage Quest has actually
delivered new indexes, created by trained specialists. Quoting from the
company's advertising:

Heritage Quest's precision extraction process ensures accuracy. The
company implements a Total Quality Management Process throughout:

* Data Extraction Specialists, who know dated script, are
hired and trained for keying records

* Senior Editing Team reviews documents and oversees
quality control

* Proprietary Computer Editing process helps eliminate
possible human error

*Statistical Audits ensure extracted data meets stringent
quality standards

Heritage Quest claims that their audits of the new Family Quest Archives
index shows a very low error rate. I didn't have the time to validate that
claim, but I suspect they are right.

Another major change in the new Heritage Quest indexes is the addition of
more data. The earlier indexes created by another company typically
contained only the Name, County, Locality, Series, Roll and Page Number.
The new CD-ROM disks from Heritage Quest also contain all of that
information but add Age, Sex, Race, and Birthplace. This makes it much
easier to find an ancestor with a common name such as Smith, Jones, Johnson
or Brown.

When looking for an ancestor with such a name in a populated city in
previous indexes, the researcher might have found hundreds of potential
"hits" and needed to look at each one individually on the original census
microfilm rolls. Now the same researcher can
quickly narrow the search. One example now possible would be to find all
the black men named Johnson under the age of 40 who were born in North
Carolina. The new census indexes from Heritage Quest will support that.

The Family Quest Archives indexes on CD-ROM require either Windows 95 or
Windows 98 on a 486 CPU or faster, 16 megabytes of RAM memory, 15 megabytes
of disk space and a CD-ROM drive. The company notes that they do not
support Windows NT, and I had difficulty trying to make it work on my
Windows NT 4.0 workstation. However, when I moved to a Windows 95 system,
it installed properly. Heritage Quest also says that the CD-ROM disks will
operate on a Macintosh PowerPC running emulation software, such as Virtual
PC.

There is no user's manual, other than the online help files, and I didn't
see any need for such a manual. I wrote user's manuals a few years ago and
have noted a big switch in the software world: a few years ago, a thick
user's manual was considered to be mandatory with any software product.
Nowadays, software is expected to be intuitive and user-friendly and not
even require a user's manual. The Heritage Quest Census Index help files
were a bit simplistic and are not context-sensitive. Yet I was always able
to find the answers to the questions that I did have.

The program interface is very simple. The main screen displays three basic
windows: Field List, Search Criteria and Search Results. The Field List
shows all ten extracted fields in these 1870 census indexes. All fields can
be searched; for instance, you could search for all the men with a first
name of Harry who were born in North Carolina. With any field you choose,
you have the option to search for an Exact Match, Contains (a wildcard
search option) or Exclude (allowing you to omit search criteria).

The simple searches were very quick. A search for all persons named EASTMAN
required only a second or two to execute on my rather old 120 megahertz
Pentium Windows 95 system. More complex searches took a bit longer. The
search for all the men with a first name of Harry who were born in North
Carolina required about two minutes to complete. That's still a lot faster
than searching through microfilms!

The "Contains" search option allows you to enter a partial name with
wildcards. You can insert an asterisk to represent a string of characters
or a question mark to represent a single character. For instance, the
surname STEPHENSON could have several variant
spellings. To account for these spellings, you could enter: "STE*NS?N."
All variant spellings will then be found: STEVENSON, STEVENSEN, STEAVENSON,
STEPHENSON and STEPHENSEN.

Other options include:
* Age Ranges - When searching the age field using Contains, you
are presented with a dialog box that allows you to enter two
ages to form an age range. The range option lets you narrow
the field of possibilities. Let's say you're unsure of an
actual age, but you know your ancestor was between 40 and 50
years of age. You can use the Contains option to find all
entries for that age range.

* Sorting. Once you've produced a list of search results, you
can sort by any of the criteria in ascending or descending
order. Sort on age, for example, and compare birthplaces and
other data for individuals with the same name.

* Copying. You can easily "cut and paste" a record into your
favorite genealogy program, word processor or whatever other
Windows program you choose.

* You can also save files as ASCII text for placement in a word
processor or spreadsheet document. However, you are limited to
saving only 20 records at a time. That can be a significant
drawback if you are trying to save all the JOHNSONs in
Cleveland!

I used the Ohio 1870 census disk for this report, but Heritage Quest also
has completed the 1870 census indexes for Delaware, District of Columbia,
Georgia, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania,
South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia. They expect to
complete all of the other states in the 1870 censuses by the end of 1999.

The Family Quest Archives 1870 U.S. Census Indexes on CD-ROM sell for
either $29.95 or $39.95 each, depending upon the amount of data available.
The company also has released the 1790 U.S. federal Census Index ($29.95),
the Idaho 1910 Census Index ($19.95), U.S. Marriage Index, 1691-1850
($39.95) and the U.S. Land Index, 1790-1907 ($39.95). All prices mentioned
are in U.S. dollars and do not include shipping charges.

For more information, or to order one of these CD-ROM disks, go to
http://www.heritagequest.com

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- GENTECH's GEDCOM Testbook Project Results

Initial details on GENTECH's GEDCOM Testbook Project have been posted at
the GENTECH website. The GEDCOM Test Book Project is an activity of the
Technology Committee of GENTECH. The purpose of the Test Book Project is to
communicate specific information to
users and developers of genealogical software about data exchange through
use of the GEDCOM data format.

In order to test the exchange, there was some collaboration between the
GENTECH Technology Committee and the Family History Department of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to devise a source document of
a fictitious family that included the
following characteristics:

* Three generations
* Source information
* Surety information
* At least one name change
* At least one adoption
* At least one second marriage
* At least one nickname
* Distribution of sources
* Distribution of a register report

The stories were given to one couple who entered all the data into seven
different genealogy programs. Each program then generated a GEDCOM file of
the data. The second part of the test consisted of importing each GEDCOM
file into each program. That is, each
program would import seven different GEDCOM files. In fact, each program
had to import the file it created as well as the other six files.

The results are interesting. A lot of data was dropped. The various
programs dropped dates, events and all sorts of textual notes. In fact,
several programs even lost data when importing GEDCOM files created by the
same program. It's tough when a program cannot even accurately read its own
GEDCOM files!

If you are thinking of switching to a more powerful genealogy program, you
might want to first find out how much of your data will be carried over to
the new program. The full article can be found at: http://www.gentech.org

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RE: Dinner Ma 13Hello All,

For those of you coming to dinner on May 13, the directions I gave earlier
were wrong: coming from the south, take I95 north to the I64 west exit,
follow that to Parham Rd. North exit, once on Parham Rd. take a right at the
light for West Broad Street. The restaurant is appx. 2/10 miles on right,
near Red Lobster.

See you all there,

Bruce

P.S. Barb, I am still coming to pick you up at the Marriott, probably around
5:30 or 6:00 pm is that is OK??		05/04/1999 1:06:28
Dortch/Speed/TaylorCharles NealJudy & Lyn,

Hope you 2 will continue to post your messages on this thread to the whole
List as a number of us can benefit.

Thanks so much,
BPN		05/04/1999 2:09:51
RE: Dinner Ma 13Charles NealBruce,

That's perfect. Looking forward to it. If you should need to call me that
week, the hotel's main number is (804) 643-3400.

BPN		05/04/1999 8:24:35
Dortch/Speed/TaylorWayne ScruggsLPB,
I have received the Dortch information from the person I have been
writing to. He has over 4,000 names connected and many more that are not
. I just copied 200 pages. First of all. Mary Speed Dortch's mother was
Sarah Ann Speed Dortch. That is why it had her mother listed as Ann
Dortch for the consent of her marriage.
He shows Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor as only having one son. David
Dortch Taylor b. May 8,1788. That was ten years after they married ,so
there could be some more. Where did you that find that Issac was son
of David? I checked all the Dortch women in that era and could not find
one who married a Taylor and had a son by that name. Who were the other
two Dortch/Taylor marriages you were speaking of? I found about 11.
About six were in the 1900's, so we can exclude them. Let me know if
there are any more names I can look up for you. He has a little more
info than John Pyle had. I forgot to check and see if any Drumright
marriages were listed, but I will.
Judy Speed Scruggs		05/04/1999 12:45:59
North Newington Baptist Church CemeteryBarbara, Barbara, Debbie and Maynard, and any others who may be interested.

I have a picture of the North Newington Baptist Church itself and 3 shots of
the cemetery from a distance, plus I also have individual pictures taken of
each "grave markers" of (I believe) ALL tombstones that indicated a
"Poythress" or a connection with the Poythresses.

And Debbie you might want to check out that "Verna Mae Bryant" in #7 below
too.
The names of those buried there are:

1) William E. Poythress,
Born
July 11, 1833,
Died
Dec. 23, 1907
"He lived as he
died, a Christian"

And the a separate marker --

2) Martha J. Poythress
June 4, 1841
Dec. 8, 1935
"A Tender Mother, faithful
to Her Trust, even unto
Death"

3) S c a r e d
To The Memory
of
Idella Poythress (Note: Idella was the daughter of
Wm & Martha)
Born Jan 5, 1859
Died Jan 25, 1883

4) A single Large marker:
POYTHRESS
Julian Ann Usher Thomas Boston
Feb. 6, 1873 April 7, 1860
June 24, 1940 May 13, 1937

May they find Joy in Life Everlasting.

5) Ima M. - daughter of
T.B. & Julia A.
POYTHRESS
Born
May 19, 1904
Died
Feb. 12, 1905

6) Sheddie W.
Son of
T. B.& Julia A.
POYTHRESS
Born
July 10, 1902
Died
July 21, 1902

7) A single large, triple marker: -

POYTHRESS
Joann Verna Mae Bryant
Thomas Ralph
1936 - 1937 1908 - 1945 1897
- 1946

8) A single large marker: -

Bessie M. James
C.
Mar 26, 1887 Nov 21, 1885
Aug 11, 1966 July 20, 1950
POYTHRESS >> Name
along bottom

9) A single large marker: -

Gazzie H. Beulah B.
Feb. 22, 1879 Nov. 19, 1896
Feb. 4, 1969 Feb. 6, 1982
POYTHRESS
>> Name along bottom

10) Robert L.
Poythress
Jan 2, 1867
Feb. 10, 1935

11) Mrs. E. D.
POYTHRESS
Apr. 28, 1861
May 2, 1946

12) Frank Poythress
Nov. 22, 1885
Sept. 18, 1977

13) A single large marker: -

PITTS
James T. Magnolia P.
Mar 3, 1853 Jan. 8, 1883
Apr. 17, 1937 Feb. 11, 1945

(Note: Magnolia P(oythress) Pitts was the daughter of John
White and Martha Virginia/"Virgin" Poythress. The
Frank Poythress, #12 above is Magnolia's brother and Frank is
buried in with the Pitts family)

14) A single large marker: -

William Joseph Bessie Poythress
Nov. 15, 1878 Aug. 4, 1886
Feb. 11, 1943 Feb. 6, 1980
Resting Resting
F A L L I G A N T
>> Name along bottom.

15) Louise Poythress Lee
Jan. 18, 1922

(Note: Louise P. marker has no death date so I assume she is still
living. The small marker was inside a Lee Family cemetery plot).

Maynard: Your new found friend "Ed Todd," who lives about 2 mile from me,
just straight down the street, called last night (PS - he didn't even want
any money!), but he seems to be on to your line -- checking out the Susan R.
Maner! And by the way, if he didn't tell you, he thinks you're the one with
the correct spelling of Maner/Maynard!!! Sort of crazy, don't you think?

To everyone else: If I can catch my 'puter expert over here with a few
minutes to spare, and I get brave, I just might attempt to scan these photos
and send them to the website. In the meantime, anyone wishing an actual
photo of any of the above individual grave markers, I'll be glad to have one
made and send you, if you'll include your snail mails address.

Take care and keep the faith, Cuz.

Bud

L. R. "Bud" Poythress.
4741 Rushing Drive
Wilmington, NC 28409-8969
Ph. (910) 452-6338		05/05/1999 4:45:19
questionTeresa WillisHi everyone,

I don't remember this question ever coming up, not since I've been on the
list anyhow. I was looking at my genealogy cd's and on my husbands surname
I came across a female immigrants, 1620 , there are no men listed until
1622. Why would a female travel to the colonies alone? Or I'm I just
assuming she was alone. Maybe with other family that had other surnames,
she may have been married? Or do you think she was an indentured slave?

Thanks for the help,
Teresa		05/05/1999 4:57:42
North Newington Baptist Church CemeteryCharles NealBud,

GOOD WORK! Thanks so much for doing all that. I really look forward to
getting a copy of the photos when I meet you on May 17th.

BPN		05/06/1999 11:17:35
Re: Dortch/Speed/TaylorJudy, this is great news. Does this researcher provide source citations?
If so, it would be great if you might share pertinent materials with the
list.

Regarding the father of Isaac Taylor being David Taylor, this is
documented on the death register for Isaac. Because the Virginia death
registers are not indexed, they are often passed over as a difficult
research project. However, with death registers dating back to 1853,
they have yielded a wealth of primary source information for my 19th
century Virginia research problems; I highly recommend their use.

Regarding Dortch-Taylor marriages from the then-free ancestry.com site, I
found:
TAYLOR;DAVID;DORTCH;REBECCA;09 May 1778;Mecklenburg;1778509
DORTCH;ABEL;TAYLOR;SALLY;24 May 1785;Mecklenburg;1785524
DORTCH;DAVID;TAYLOR;BETSY;30 May 1798;Mecklenburg;1798530

We look forward your further findings in these newly-acquired Dortch
materials. -LPB

On Tue, 04 May 1999 14:45:59 -0400 Wayne Scruggs
writes:
>LPB,
>I have received the Dortch information from the person I have been
>writing to. He has over 4,000 names connected and many more that are
>not
>. I just copied 200 pages. First of all. Mary Speed Dortch's mother
>was
>Sarah Ann Speed Dortch. That is why it had her mother listed as Ann
>Dortch for the consent of her marriage.
>He shows Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor as only having one son. David
>Dortch Taylor b. May 8,1788. That was ten years after they married
>,so
>there could be some more. Where did you that find that Issac was
>son
>of David? I checked all the Dortch women in that era and could not
>find
>one who married a Taylor and had a son by that name. Who were the
>other
>two Dortch/Taylor marriages you were speaking of? I found about 11.
>About six were in the 1900's, so we can exclude them. Let me know if
>there are any more names I can look up for you. He has a little more
>info than John Pyle had. I forgot to check and see if any Drumright
>marriages were listed, but I will.
>Judy Speed Scruggs

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Horace Poythress and loinsHey gang,
I've gotten it all figured out, at least I think I do. Lets pretend I do.
Here's how I see the Horace Poythress line as it may be;

Horace Poythress b 1868 marries Laura Bell Turner on 11-23-1889
They have 7 children.
Stephen b- approx. 1895 d-1924 married Ethrie ?
Brutus b- approx. 1896 d-? married ?
Ozini (aka Mamie) b-3-8-1897 d- 1959 married Anthony Richard Peterson and
had 6 children.
Fate (aka Debbrahare) b- 1900 d- ? married Jessie ?
Essie and Bessie who were twins, b-4-6-1905. Essie was murdered in mid 1950's
and never married. Bessie married Alger Peterson (brother of Anthony Richard)
and had one daughter named Odell. d- ?
Edward b- 1907 d- ? could this be Uncle Ednie?

At this point, Laura is dead. We know this by census records in 1910. Now we
have 3 possibly 4 children with unknown or speculated mothers. They are as
follows:
Annie Rowe b- 11-11-1913 d- still alive.
I believe her mother is Loula Turner, the sister of Laura. The reasoning for
this is that Annie's daughter Lou was told she was named after Annie's
mother. Hence, Loula.
Laura also had 3 other sisters named Fannie, Betty, and Frances.

Laura Bell Turner b- 1914-1918 not sure of these dates, I'm sure one of you
have these dates. I just couldn't find them. Laura married Marshall ( Cat )
Turner. They had four daughters named Joyce Faye, Geraldine, Marshall Jr. and
Laura Anne.

Genieva b- 1914-1918? again, not sure of dates.

William Lafayette (Bill) b- 2-11-1919.

Some where around or shortly after the birth of Bill, Horace marries Rosa
Bass. They have 3 possibly 4 children. I'll explain the 4th in a minute.

Horace Calvin b-1924
Bertha Lee b- 1927
Robert Lee b-1930.

Now, here's one to blow you. We have a birth certificate with no body. Her
name was Sarah Poythress born to Rosa and Horace Poythress July 16,1927. She
has the same birth year as Bertha. My question is on the birth certificate in
the block talking of multiple births, it says only to fill out if multiple
and list birth order. It lists Sarah as birth order #1. Could they be twins
or could it be Bertha Sarah or opposite? My cousin Lou says she was told he
had 21 children. And they thought Viagra was new. NOT. For anyone who wants
information on generations down further, I have most. Just let me know.

I hope this helps get everything and everyone straight on Horace's line. Most
of this came from my mother who is a walking memory. For those of you going
to Richmond, you will get the opportunity to meet this phenominal woman. Much
appreciation to her. Please give me feedback or arguments on this.

Love the tanned redhead they call Teetle30 (Crystal)
(At least now I know why I tan so well, haha)		05/07/1999 4:40:10
Clannar and Nina PoythressIf anyone has info on Nina Poythress' parents, please send it to me. She is
my g-grandfather's sister. We always called her Aunt Nita with a T instead of
Nina. She also had 3 other brothers, Alger, Irie, and Buddy. This is very
important to me.
Thanks,
Crystal		05/07/1999 4:43:20
21 kidsCrystal and all who wonder about LARGE families:
It wasn't uncommon in the 1800s for there to be more than 15 births in a
family. Farms needed many hands to run them. Smallpox,cholera, and the
flu took many young lives. Birth control was not very reliable or
desirable at that time. My husband's grandparents [one wife and same
husband ] had 19 births, 3 died as infants, one died before age 5,one
was shot dead at age 24 yr. old.However,10 lived to their 60s,three to
their late70s. The last one died within the last decade. They are hardy
pioneer folk.Patti		05/07/1999 9:07:23
Horace Poythress and loinsCharles NealCrystal,

Looking forward to meeting you & your Mom in Richmond. If you could bring
to me, when we meet, a photocopy of your info about descendants further
down the line, I sure would appreciate it. No need to email it now, since I
won't be here to get the email anyway; I'll be offline after Sunday
evening.

See you soon,
BPN

05/08/1999 2:20:41
SarahCrystal......re a birth certificate with no body. My I suggest that is a
whole lot better than the other way around? 🙂

Maynard

05/08/1999 6:00:05
GA marriagesAm interested in the stuff on GA marriages... I could put it in a
spredsheet for the group but only have word 6.
There you go again. Now I am going to have to update to Word 7. Just
when I get profecient on one they upgrade it!		05/09/1999 4:06:52
Ga. Marriages, Primarily ScrevenI have prepared a working list of about 80 Georgia marriages which shows
county, groom, bride and date. It is in Word 7.0. The data obviously belongs
on a spread sheet or database but I have mastered neither of those black
arts. Ninety percent of these marriages are in Screven County. For Screven I
included related families. The related families were not selected with any
particular design; I just grabbed all the names I recognized from previous
readings.

Since I have scanned the entire Screven microfilm collection of marriages at
the Georgia archives, my guess is these are likely to be the only ones (for
Screven) that we'll get. Marriage records per se seldom show up
"incidentally" in deeds or wills, etc.

Trying to supplement my list I signed on to that teaser sales pitch from
www.Ancestry.com and gave them a search in one of their data bases they
appear to be proud of: Georgia Marriages Before 1850. They reported four
hits for Poythress in the entire state. Of course one has to sign up for the
6 or 8 bucks a month before the data can be accessed.

Shoot, I've got 9 in Screven County alone. Furthermore, I also believe we
could tell them the four they DO have. Having previously taken a trial run
at Ancestry.com I am once again not especially impressed. So unless one of
you thinks I'm really missing out on something I'll continue to resist that
temptation.

I had hoped Ancestry would have let me conclude building our own "Poythress
and Related" data base, at least for Georgia. Not so. I'll now have to scan
a number of the other counties (only 158 more to go) and that dragon is on my
"to do" list.

Since this project will now move much slower than anticipated, I thought I
might offer to share this "incomplete" list with any that think it might be
helpful. And since Rootsweb can't take attachments I'll have to send copies
as attachments to an
e-mail directly to those that want a copy. That's no big deal because I can
do it all at once and I can pick up any internet addresses that I don't
already have off the requesting e-mail.

So if you are interested in this list just drop me an e-mail and I'll pop you
out a copy right away.

And BY ALL MEANS, if you have a marriage that I have missed or on which I
have erred please send it to me to add to the list which I'll one day have
complete (and corrected) enough to ask Al to post it. Thanks.

Maynard

[vkratliff@aol.com]		05/09/1999 4:55:57
Spreadsheet>>>>
Have you already thought of and maybe vetoed the idea for sources being
listed by a number and having the sources with their numbers shown as as type
of footnote?
Jane
>>>>

Mmmm, not bad at all Jane. As a matter of fact, I hadn't thought of it.
Only downside I would see would be a large ratio of sources to entries which
might make the footnotes as long as the text for the entries. I'm certainly
open to the notion.

Maynard

05/10/1999 2:30:20
Spreadsheet Ga. MarriagesPatti.....I mulled those same questions and realized that "how we set up the
first one" had implications for all the ones to follow . Here are my answers
and the thought(s) behind each but I'm not married to any of these. And
besides, if we get it to Excel we can then manipulate data "for the specific
occasion" anyway, can't we?

Parenthetically, I realize that since it's technically a database it should
really go into
something like Microsoft Access. I think I'd rather try to learn Swahili in
two weeks than to try to learn Access in a lifetime. I know it's a snap for
some.....but it is Mt.
Everest for most. Believe me on this one.

1. Headings. I chose County, Date, Groom, Bride (Poythress names in bold).
Source of data was a tricky one. First, there wasn't much room left although
I realize it can be turned landscape. Mainly however, "source" turned out to
be an unanticipated bear requiring a lot of explanation about duplications,
questions, etc.
In my Ga. intro I sort of hint at this problem.

I guess my feeling on marriage dates in general is that they require a
"lesser" level of documentation maybe because I feel there is less motive,
reward, or inclination for somebody to ring in a phoney.

Also, it is becoming clearer and clearer to me as I bumble along that if we
EVER get this thing put together we're going to have to do a LOT of
speculating......which we obviously would prefer not to do....but if we gotta
do it anyway, ALL of us are likely to insist that we specify that we ARE in
many instances speculating. The end result of all of that is that our
"presentation" would be accorded respectability based on what we can
"assemble" intelligently because there is a lot that is "just doggoneit not
there"......we got burned down courthouses, lost records, non-existant
records (especially in the case of marriages), etc., etc. The list of
missing stuff never ends.

2. Alpha or Chrono.......I opted for chrono....mainly because if we intend to
load it up with "allied" families (which we really need to do, it helps us
"get at" all those brides who are also important.) I think "scanning" the
eye across the list is going to be necessary....or running a search through
it. Chrono just gave me a better sense of who went into which
generation.......plus, for example, I see Mary Ann somebody marrying Isaac
Poythress who dies in Savannah in 1862 and then six lines down I see Mary Ann
Poythress marrying so and so in 1864.......it kinda "leads" the mind toward
investigating widowhood. Do the list "alpha" and that mental frame of
reference tends to get lost.

3. I did not see a single instance where there was any significance to the
"date of license" information. Without exception the marriage date followed
the license date by same day to two weeks. I know a lot of folks like to
have both dates but it just looked superfluous to me. My thought was that if
the issue ever did get significant, like for instance a marriage following a
license by a couple of years or something, it can always be "commented on" as
a "line item". But we do have some sticklers for detail (I'm about halfway
one myself) so if that is deemed essential it won't bother me (except I ain't
going back and look 'em all up for the ones we already got).

4. Re astericks......yes. Obviously, my list needs some tidying up (they
always do when you dictate them). The asterisks were simply reminders for
needed verification or correction on my next trip to Archives.

5. Location numbers (as in microfilm drawer and roll numbers). I opted "out"
of that
for this list and stated why in the intro. The same information was
appearing in 2 to 4 places......so I just listed the appropriate "inclusive"
drawer numbers and roll numbers at the top of the doc figuring that if
anybody really wanted to check it out,
nothing I could say would help them because the information is going to
remain in all those very same multiple places anyway.

Is this same problem going to happen elsewhere? Gee, probably not....which
argues against my original idea. But if we put the "source" info by some and
not by others would we be undermining the credibility of those "uncited".
Gosh, I don't know. I guess that one doesn't make a lot of difference to me
one way or the other. And in this case, I did save the "source" data even if
it did show up in 3 or 4 places. So, if we decided to "cite the source" I
could put that in a column.....but I would be giving only "one" source out of
several. I suppose that really doesn't make a lot of difference.

6. County/State......I experimented with this one a lot. The only one I felt
really comfortable with was the way I did it; i. e. make individual states
into "files" and then go alpha by county and chrono within the county. It
has struck me all along that segregating by counties made a whole lot of
sense......we will all begin to recognize "problem" counties (example: Burke
County courthouse burned 3 times and when you go to GDAH asking for Burke
info they just about hand you a single roll of microfilm). And I think with
many of us not having a grip on the total "geography", using counties will
help that problem. There are several other advantages: using counties will
often show up migratory patterns. We can pronounce a particular county "done"
(in genealogy even partial "closure" is a pearl of great price) and save
future fruitless effort. Most important, the county is the "unit" of
denomination for the genealogy community. I wound up feeling pretty stongly
that using "counties" as the "UNIT" just made the most sense......even for
several additional reasons that become apparent as one is fooling around
trying to organize the data. I'd like a serious dialogue if we want to do it
ANY OTHER way.

7. It also strikes me that as we go about putting more and more real "data"
on the page that we will be doing a lot of abbreviations.....one is just
always running out of
room for columns. That tells me that we might want to think about putting a
"GLOSSARY" section on the webpage for things like GDAH.....which can kill a
spreadsheet all by itself if we COULDN'T abbreviate it...but yet is
meaningless to someone who doesn't "know the code". Likewise, stuff like
"Batte#" is going to be greek to a newcomer. And if our page is to be a
resource to ALL it probably needs to be "friendly" to all.....instead of that
"shorthand" that we all talk in as we bounce e-mails around the listserver.

I'm sure others will have some thoughts and will be welcomed.

Maynard		05/10/1999 11:44:29
Re: Excel vs Access - Ga MarriagesDebbie....at the risk of offending someone I will have to say that among all
those diamonds in that LDS data base is an absolute ton of rubbish; no doubt
none intentional but rubbish all the same. I surmise this comes because of
LDS' accumulation of material which is, to say the least, a little
uncritical. Since as a practical matter they couldn't have done it any other
way without becoming the "referee" and "checker" for the entire genealogy
world (certainly an unrealistic expectation) it strikes me that separating a
ton of chaff from two tons of wheat just comes with the territory if we
intend to work that ground.

The message is to be awfully careful putting down that LDS information. I
plan to show "LDS" every time I make a citation and be extremely cautious
about using the material at all if I can find a duplicate source that can be
more credibly "cited".

Maynard

05/12/1999 5:01:23
Re: GA marriagesNow someone needs to tell me how to save something in "RTF".

Thanks,

Maynard

05/12/1999 5:04:58
NEW SCREEN NAMEHELLO GANG
I HAVE A NEW SCREEN NAME. AOL WOULDN'T LET ME USE MY OLD ONE TEETLE30
ANYMORE. THEY SAY IT'LL BE 6 MONTHS BEFORE I CAN USE IT AGAIN. SO I CHANGED
THE NUMBERS. WHEN YOU'VE BEEN CALLED TEETLE ALL YOUR LIFE, YOU HAVE TO STICK
WITH IT. HELLO MAYNARD, MY PARTNER IN CRIME. I SAW YOU AND DEBBIE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT THIS WHOLE ACCESS/EXCEL THING. I SAT YESTERDAY FOR 3 HOURS TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT BOTH AND I FINALLY SAID FORGET IT. IT'S THAT WHOLE BILL GATES
CLICK, IF YOUR NOT IN IT, FORGET IT.
CRYSTAL		05/12/1999 5:48:36
Excel vs Access - Ga MarriagesDebra FreemanHi All,
I have Excel 97, Word 97, Access 97 and I know how to use them reasonably
well, for what we need them to do anyway.
I've offered to Maynard to put it on Access. (Actually, I've already set up
the database with the info he's supplied me. It's all in.)
This way we can sort them anyway we want and I can export (convert) it to
Excel, so, this would make it easier for anyone to post it on the Website,
if that's what we want to do with it.
Patti, I gathered you were working on putting it onto an Excel spreadsheet.
You can stop if you want. I'm done with all the info Maynard sent to me
the other day and will start adding information I've gathered from the LDS
records I've looked through this past month. I'll be keeping my database
updated. I'm thinking I'd like to have different tables for different
records. Marriage, Deeds, Land, Death, Census, etc., for example and
different Databases for different states. So all the GA stuff would be
together as would all the VA, FL, NC, etc.
Let me know what you all think.
I will keep my database regardless if we decided to use it or not as a
backup option.
Thanks,
Debbie		05/12/1999 6:54:07
Re: GA marriagesNonsense, Patti. If Maynard will be so kind as to save it in .RTF format
and send it to you, your old Word 6.0 will read it fine. As an
alternative, Maynard can save it in .DOC Word 6/95 format. Actually,
both are the same format and interchangeable. -LPB

On Sun, 09 May 1999 15:06:52 -0700 pattited@smartlink.net writes:
>Am interested in the stuff on GA marriages... I could put it in a
>spredsheet for the group but only have word 6.
>There you go again. Now I am going to have to update to Word 7. Just
>when I get profecient on one they upgrade it!
>

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RE:Dinner and OfflineHello All,

My PC has been acting up and I lost all my mail for the past week or so. I
will be at dinner on Thursday May 13, as planned.

Did I miss anything this past week and weekend?????

Bruce		05/12/1999 12:39:51
Re Ga Marriages QuestionsBud: remember, I didn't say these were "all" the marriages before 1900, I
said these are "all" the marriages recorded in Screven and microfilmed for
the Georgia Archives that were dated before 1900. For example, there were NO
marriages recorded for the years 1861-1864, suggesting to me that the civil
process just shut down during the war and preachers did their thing without
benefit of civil legalities which would have caused a record to exist for
both a license and a wedding.

The only way a wedding got recorded was when the preacher filled in the dates
on the license and returned it to the courthouse. If he married a couple
without a civil license, they would be no record of a license OR a wedding.

1. Isaac P. Bud, I found the one we knew about..Isaac P. m. Mary Ann
Thompson
on 7 Apr 1850.

Then I found Silas Rushing m. Mary Ann Poythress on 4 Apr 1857 and a second
record of the same two marrying on 6 Oct 1863. I'm saying wouldn't the 1863
date be the LIKELY correct date since Isaac died in Savannah 29 Jan 1862 and
if it's the 1863 date wouldn't the Mary Ann Poythress be likely to be Isaac's
widow? I. E. it's more logical to assume that we got one Mary Ann Poythress
than it is to assume we got two of them.

We don't know any Poythresses with a daughter named Mary Ann in that time
frame although that is not to suggest that it would be impossible for there
to have been two of them. And Mary Ann filed for Isaac's back pay but never
filed for a widow's pension also suggesting she was ineligible for the
pension since she remarried the following October.

The note is to myself to recheck those dates next trip to archives but I'd
make book on that 1863 date for Isaac's widow to be marrying Silas Rushing.

2. J. M. Waller m. Magnolia Poythress 1 Jan 1898.....when she was 15? Gee,
in 1898, I wouldn't think it all that surprising for the bride to be
15....but I didn't have her birth date when I was recording these. And since
I stopped in 1900 I don't have the later marriage to James Thomas Pitts that
you mention. I'll check it again but I'll bet she was indeed 15.

3. John White P......we have shown him all along marrying Mary Ann Wilder
(his first cousin) 15 Feb 1844. John White P. was b. 13 Jan 1821. And 61
years later (1882) we have a Virginia Flake going to church as Mrs. John
White Poythress.

We don't have a death date for John White P. OR Mary Ann Wilder but we do
know they were BOTH on the 1870 census and NEITHER was on the 1880 census. I
don't know that I'd put it down on paper without some evidence but I wouldn't
have a hard time believing that somewhere in the ten year time frame between
1870 and 1880, Mary Ann died and John White Poythress was married second to
Virginia Flake and then died himself leaving Virginia Flake representing
herself as Mrs. John White Poythress in 1882.

With the 1870-1880 decade right in the middle of the official period of
reconstruction, it seems obvious from the few number of licenses that either
the civil process was limping and/or it wasn't very popular to go to the
courthouse and ask some yankee or a freedman for a license. For a previous
period, 1861-1865, there were NO licenses issued suggesting that the civil
processes were simply ignored for that period which suggests the civil
process might be limping even as late as 1870. In both periods, it seems
likely that people either became common law husband and wife or found a
preacher unconcerned for the formalities of getting a license.....more likely
the latter given that those communities sort of centered around church life
in that period.

Would this make sense to you? You have more records on that particular
branch than I do.

Maynard		05/13/1999 4:53:28
DINNER AFTERMATHHEY GUYS,
JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I ENJOYED MEETING AND CHATTING WITH ALL
OF YA'LL WHO WENT. IT WAS WONDERFUL AND WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN SOON. NEXT
TIME WE'LL GO EARLIER SO WE DON'T SHUT DOWN THE RESTARAUNT AGAIN.
THANKS A ZILLION
CRYSTAL

05/13/1999 6:48:10
William E. PoythressBud: Absolutely!.....I agree that finding the parents for William E.
Poythress is the key to that Newington crowd of Debbie's and maybe to your
crowd also. I sort of doubt that they are from the Meredith Jr./Susan Maner
folks and much more likely from the Meredith Jr./Hester Mock line IF they are
from that line AT ALL....and we are getting strong hints that William (or
perhaps his father) came down from Virginia
all on his own. Maynard

>>>>>
Subj: Re: Re Ga Marriages Questions
Date: 5/14/99 9:31:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BPoythress
To: VKRatliff

In a message dated 5/13/99 11:54:50 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<<
3. John White P......we have shown him all along marrying Mary Ann Wilder
(his first cousin) 15 Feb 1844. John White P. was b. 13 Jan 1821. And 61
years later (1882) we have a Virginia Flake going to church as Mrs. John
White Poythress.

We don't have a death date for John White P. OR Mary Ann Wilder but we do
know they were BOTH on the 1870 census and NEITHER was on the 1880 census.
I
don't know that I'd put it down on paper without some evidence but I
wouldn't
have a hard time believing that somewhere in the ten year time frame between
1870 and 1880, Mary Ann died and John White Poythress was married second to
Virginia Flake and then died himself leaving Virginia Flake representing
herself as Mrs. John White Poythress in 1882.

With the 1870-1880 decade right in the middle of the official period of
reconstruction, it seems obvious from the few number of licenses that either
the civil process was limping and/or it wasn't very popular to go to the
courthouse and ask some yankee or a freedman for a license. For a previous
period, 1861-1865, there were NO licenses issued suggesting that the civil
processes were simply ignored for that period which suggests the civil
process might be limping even as late as 1870. In both periods, it seems
likely that people either became common law husband and wife or found a
preacher unconcerned for the formalities of getting a license.....more
likely
the latter given that those communities sort of centered around church life
in that period.

Would this make sense to you? You have more records on that particular
branch than I do.

Maynard >>

Maynard:

Your analysis of the various marriages of Poythresses and especially on the
situation of John W. and Virgin, or the lack of records, could very well be
correct. At least I perfer to believe that is about what occured.

After all, as they now want to say, it's only a piece of paper! But, just
the same -- my old man may not have been too concerned, but my MOM damn
surely would have demanded that piece of paper to cover my a--. And I'm sure
Ms. Dorothy would have too.

And too, (on another subject) it occured to me that all the "Poythresses
presently residing in North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery" and there are
quite a few, except for Magnolia [Poythress] Pitts and her brother Frank
Poythress, are all connected to or descentants of William E. and Martha J.
Poythress! I had not actually drawn that conclustion until recently.
Children, grandchildren and in-laws to that one family!!

Thanks again, and love and regards to Jean.

Bud		05/14/1999 3:47:38
Wm. E.Bud....you said:

Subj: Re: William E. Poythress
Date: 5/14/99 10:28:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BPoythress
To: VKRatliff

In a message dated 5/14/99 10:50:25 AM Atlantic Daylight Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<< Subj: William E. Poythress
Date: 5/14/99 10:50:25 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Bud: Absolutely!.....I agree that finding the parents for William E.
Poythress is the key to that Newington crowd of Debbie's and maybe to your
crowd also. I sort of doubt that they are from the Meredith Jr./Susan Maner
folks and much more likely from the Meredith Jr./Hester Mock line IF they
are
from that line AT ALL....and we are getting strong hints that William (or
perhaps his father) came down from Virginia
all on his own. Maynard >>
===============================================

Maynard, Just one thought on this subject.

Could this "William E. Poythress" buried at NNBCC possibly be "a son or
grandson of the William Poythress" -- brother of Thomas James Poythress (Sr)
who Alice reported to have accompanied the gang from Virginia in the 1780s?

If not, what happened to that William Poythress? Or do you have any
confidence in "ALL" of what Alice reported?'

Bud

Bud, I think what Alice shows about "a" William coming to Georgia with Thomas
Poythress (d. 1800) is a mortal lock.....if only because "William Poythress"
is registrant # 967 in the 1805 land lottery and Meredith Poythress is
registrant # 968 along with Edward, George, and Martha (aka "Patsy" widow of
Thomas) registering in Burke. If we have the right Thomas (Sr.) then we KNOW
Meredith is his son and the implication is that William is either Thomas'
brother or son.

And the guys who would have come to Burke (Screven being chopped off of Burke
in 1793); i. e. George, Edward, and Martha (Patsy, the widow of
Thomas) are right there on the Burke County lottery. Then, in the 1807
lottery
(incomplete because we only have "winners" not the entire registry) are the
"Orphans of Thomas Poythress" (namely George, Edward, and ?) are winners.

Something of a side issue but with some implication for this question. A
census is just a census and that early in the game they missed a lot of
folks, had negligent
enumerators, and a dozen or so other problems. The 1805 Georgia Land Lottery
registrants list is considered a fairly good "proxy census" since the Georgia
official census doesn't start until 1820. In this case, I'd say this proxy
is BETTER than a "real" census. Follow the money. There was no incentive to
be on the census. But if you registered (1803-4) for the 1805 lottery you
got a FREE shot at FREE land which could be sold twenty minutes later for
hard money. No way in the world that every eligible participant didn't get
himself or herself to the courthouse and register. I look at that as
virtually a certainty and the only ones not on the 1805 lottery list would be
those ineligible to draw for any of a half a dozen reasons.

Martha's work says William was a brother of Thomas and therefore the uncle of
Meredith (assuming we have the correct Thomas and that is 90% probable). I
can't put my finger on a birth certificate or anything but the more I look at
it the more I believe Martha is right in this respect also....that William
was a brother of Thomas and not a son. Why? One reason is that all the
others live on well into 19th century records and "William" sort of
disappears (admittedly nothing to bet the farm on).

And what makes me want to link this William to William E. ? I don't
particularly.
If William (1) were Meredith's uncle and Thomas' contemporary, he would
probably be too old to be the father of William E. Of course, he could be
the grandfather of William E. I don't put a lot of faith in that "classic
naming pattern"
but IFthere was "a" William inbetween the two Williams above it would be
right on the money if one named the first male child for the "father's
father".

Bottom line: if sorting out the Thomas'es is our immediate Virginia problem,
sorting out the Williams looks to be our immediate Georgia problem.

Maynard		05/14/1999 5:47:19
Re: Martha J. Poythress O'NealPat AutryA re-hashed posintg of my search for Martha Poythress O'Neal & William
O'Neal- probably lived in VA or NC approx 1850 -1915. Possibly
Greenville County , Virginia area or area near Halifax County, NC.

I'm trying to find the parents of Martha Poythress who married William
O'Neal and had a daughter named Josephine (Phenie) O'Neal, born ~1885-6,
died 1941 in Roanoke Rapids.

I know that Martha had at least 3 children- Josephine(my paternal
grandmother), Alice, and Henry. There has been indication that Henry,
and possibly Alice also, had a different last name than O'Neal. I was
told that her Martha's son Henry live in Garysburg(or is it Gasburg)
just across the bridge from Roanoke Rapids, Halifax County, NC. Her
daughter Josephine's death certificate indicates that Martha' husband,
William O'Neal was from "Scotland ~~> NC" . I had originally thought
this might mean Scotland Neck because it is squiggly after Scotland but
now expect it means born in Scotland and immigrated to NC during his
lifetime. Again Josephine's marriage certificate indicates that William
O'Neal was deceased by 1906.

Josephine's sister Alice had a least one child, Fannie Harris. I don't
know the full details but know that Fannie Harris as a teenager lived
with Josephine in Roanoke Rapids. Martha's daughter, Josephine O'Neal
(Johnson), was born in 1885, married in 1906 to Charles Thomas Johnson
in Halifax County,NC. It is this 1906 marriage certificate which gave
me Martha's name. I do not know Martha's birthdate or date of death. I
tried to find establishment of her death in both Halifax County, NC and
Greenville County, Virginia since she was living there in 1906 when
Josephine got married. Neither county records had a death certificate
which could mean she died between 1906- 1913 or merely that she died
elsewhere. I know that Martha had at least 3 children- Josephine(my
paternal grandmother), Alice, and Henry. There has been indication that
both Alice and Henry had a different last name than O'Neal. I was
told that her son Henry live in Garysburg(or is it Gasburg) just across
the bridge from Roanoke Rapids, Halifax County, NC. Her daughter
Josephine's death certificate indicates that her father, William O'Neal
was from "Scotland ~~> NC" . I had originally thought this might mean
Scotland Neck because it is squiggly after Scotland but now expect it
means born in Scotland and immigrated to NC during his lifetime. Again
Josephine's
marriage certificate indicates that William O'Neal was deceased by 1906.

Josephine's sister Alice had a least one child, Fannie Harris. I don't
know the full details but know that Fannie Harris as a teenager lived
with Josephine in Roanoke Rapids.

Martha Poythress O'Neal's daughter Josephine is my paternal
grandmother. She married Charles Thomas Johnson in 1906 in Roanoke
Rapids, NCand lived there. Josephine & Charles had 3 children: Charles
Lewis Johnson, Raymond Horace Johnson, and Evelyn Johnson. Raymond
Horace Johnson, who worked for
Seaboard Railroad, was killed at the age of 36 in a train accident in
1947. He was my father . My brother is Raymond Horace Johnson Jr who
goes by Horace. I consider Horace an uncommon name & figure it came
from my great grandmother, Martha Poythress O'Neal's side of the family.

Would be interested if anyone has a Martha J. Poythress in mid
1800s-early 1900 especially if they married an O'Neal or had a sister
Alice.

Pat		05/15/1999 1:52:54
Tennn-shutt !!Listen up guys and gals, some of us are getting sloppy here. We have done
this crime half dozen times in past two weeks.

Please!.......when you get an e-mail and then want to reply to the sender (or
to the group) on a wholly different subject.......don't just hit the reply
key and start typing.
Give the e-mail A NEW SUBJECT for the subject line....a SUBJECT line that is
"key" enough to come up at some time in the future when one of us runs a
"search" through the archives.

Why a new subject line? Because if anyone ever wants to go to the archives
and run a search on what you had to say about Billy Bob Poythress it will
never again be helpful to someone else because it won't be found......because
you hit "reply" to a message about Ray Roy Poythress.

Many, many thanks.

Maynard

And when you "assign" subject line remember it doesn't matter if it's long or
short....what matters is how closely it relates to the actual subject that
the e-mail is about.

05/15/1999 5:10:53
James "E" PoythressCarol A. MorrisonHi, all,

I have been going through the boxes of *ORIGINAL* Wills for Brunswick
County, Virginia. The earliest *original* that still exists, so far,
appears to be a Will probated in the year of 1763.

Anyway, the reason for this communicae, is that one of the *original*
Wills that I made a copy of devised/bequeathed all property, real and
personal, including "pension as a soldier of the revolutionary war" to
one James "E" Poythress. Of course this Will was dated 14th May 1835,
and was the Will of Joshua Preston.

Anyone want a copy??

Carol		05/15/1999 6:19:42
Joshua Preston's WillCarol A. MorrisonFor those of you who might want to try and download this Will. You can
find it through the search engine at the Virginia-Families.com site.

URL: http://www.virginia-families.com/search/search.cgi

If you'll put "Joshua Preston" in the search area, it will come up
with a link to the web page that has the Will. When you click on the
actual link, it will ask for a user name and password. Just put in the
following (case sensitive):

User: John
PW: public

If any of you have the full Paperport program or have the Paperport
viewer, I can send you a copy via an email attachment. If you need me
to snail mail it to you, just email me your mailing address. If you
have any problems accessing it through the virginia-families.com site,
let me know.

Carol

05/16/1999 1:21:22
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Bruce

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This is UNBELIEVABLE! And they say it was destroyed by fire!!!

T

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Helene PockrusAnybody have her e-mail address. I must have gotten it wrong when I was
reconstructing my lost address book. Thanks.

Maynard

05/16/1999 5:02:01
Re: GA marriagesThat would be:


Click on the down arrow at the "Save as type:" menu at the bottom.
Click "Rich Text Format".
Click "Save".

On Wed, 12 May 1999 23:04:58 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Now someone needs to tell me how to save something in "RTF".
>
>Thanks,
>
>Maynard

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Re: Martha J. Poythress O'NealThanks, Pat, for a complete review of your research. I am saving this
and will keep it in mind. As I have probably mentioned, the only stray
Poythress branch in my line is that of Lewis Y. Poythress, who was
residing in Greensville, Co., Va., as of 1870. However, as I recall you
have tried to find a link between our Lewis Y. and your Martha without
result.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Helene Pockrus Email AddressMaynard, that would be . -LPB

On Sun, 16 May 1999 11:02:01 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Anybody have her e-mail address. I must have gotten it wrong when I
>was
>reconstructing my lost address book. Thanks.
>
>Maynard

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Re: James "E" Poythress heir of Joshua PrestonCarol, it's great as always to hear from you. This would be James Edward
Poythress, a Poythress progenitor of Barbara Poythress Neal who may be
out of email contact on travels at this time. However, I'm sure that if
she has not already captured an image of this, she would be most grateful
for a copy.

Thanks for remembering and offering. Please share with us what other
Poythress references you are seeing in these documents. -LPB

On Sat, 15 May 1999 20:19:42 -0400 "Carol A. Morrison"
writes:
>Hi, all,
>
>I have been going through the boxes of *ORIGINAL* Wills for Brunswick
>County, Virginia. The earliest *original* that still exists, so far,
>appears to be a Will probated in the year of 1763.
>
>Anyway, the reason for this communicae, is that one of the *original*
>Wills that I made a copy of devised/bequeathed all property, real and
>personal, including "pension as a soldier of the revolutionary war"
>to
>one James "E" Poythress. Of course this Will was dated 14th May
>1835,
>and was the Will of Joshua Preston.
>
>Anyone want a copy??
>
>Carol

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Re: James "E" Poythress heir of Joshua PrestonCarol A. MorrisonI always keep you guys in mind when going through things. I've managed to
get Meredith's MB and some other things but haven't managed to find some
other things. Still keep looking and will always let all of you know what I
find.

I knew this was one of Barbara's kin folks. Last time I checked she had
Paperport and when she gets back, I'll be a sending her a file.

Cam

llbaird@juno.com wrote:

> Carol, it's great as always to hear from you. This would be James Edward
> Poythress, a Poythress progenitor of Barbara Poythress Neal who may be
> out of email contact on travels at this time. However, I'm sure that if
> she has not already captured an image of this, she would be most grateful
> for a copy.
>
> Thanks for remembering and offering. Please share with us what other
> Poythress references you are seeing in these documents. -LPB
>
> On Sat, 15 May 1999 20:19:42 -0400 "Carol A. Morrison"
> writes:
> >Hi, all,
> >
> >I have been going through the boxes of *ORIGINAL* Wills for Brunswick
> >County, Virginia. The earliest *original* that still exists, so far,
> >appears to be a Will probated in the year of 1763.
> >
> >Anyway, the reason for this communicae, is that one of the *original*
> >Wills that I made a copy of devised/bequeathed all property, real and
> >personal, including "pension as a soldier of the revolutionary war"
> >to
> >one James "E" Poythress. Of course this Will was dated 14th May
> >1835,
> >and was the Will of Joshua Preston.
> >
> >Anyone want a copy??
> >
> >Carol
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
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Re: Eppes Family book?Steve, I'm pretty sure you got the address from me. It was (is?):

Mrs. Herbert R. Holden
430 Greenwood Drive
Petersburg, VA 23805.

I don't remember if the amount was $32 or $33 but you probably do since you
wrote the check.

I'd be inclined to get her # from information and give her a call. I'd be
willing to bet she is just holding your order expecting the "new edition" at
any time. As for me, I've seen to many of those "projects" not to be cynical
about a "second edition" but who knows, this one may be real.

Since she hasn't cashed the check she obviously hasn't cut for Mexico with
your 32 bucks which says it either went astray in the mail or she's waiting
on the new edition.

Best,

Maynard		05/17/1999 4:33:10
Eppes Family book?Does anybody know what happened to the new version (or any version for that
matter) of the Epes' Family book that a Mrs. Holden of Petersburg VA had for
sale?

I sent her a check in February for a copy and have never heard a response.
The check has not been cashed, either, so I wonder if the address was even
right. I got the address from someone on the Poythress list, I can't
remember who.

Any ideas?

Steve Wall

05/17/1999 9:52:02
Re: Joshua Preston's WillThought you would like to know, with my netscape browser, I could click on
the little bitty icons and see will full size, when I tried to print direct
after getting the big version, it only printed the small icons and typed
text..... THEN I clicked back on big version, and moved the big image over
to left of screen, [BTW to make more visible I hid the tool bars using view
menu at top of screen], then hit" print screen buton" on keyboard, then
opened MS word pad and pasted it into word pad from "edit"menu. Then clicked
on print preview to check, and then print.I found if the image was on right
side of my big21 inch screen I only got garbage as a print out.This may not
be so with other programs or smaller monitors. Patti

Carol A. Morrison wrote:

> For those of you who might want to try and download this Will. You can
> find it through the search engine at the Virginia-Families.com site.
>
> URL: http://www.virginia-families.com/search/search.cgi
>
> If you'll put "Joshua Preston" in the search area, it will come up
> with a link to the web page that has the Will. When you click on the
> actual link, it will ask for a user name and password. Just put in the
> following (case sensitive):
>
> User: John
> PW: public
>
> If any of you have the full Paperport program or have the Paperport
> viewer, I can send you a copy via an email attachment. If you need me
> to snail mail it to you, just email me your mailing address. If you
> have any problems accessing it through the virginia-families.com site,
> let me know.
>
> Carol
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		05/18/1999 3:21:02
Re: Joshua Preston's WillCarol A. MorrisonPatti,

The web site is actually designed to make it harder to print directly,
hence why you've been jumping through hoops to and using the 'capture
screen' scenario with the 'print scrn' key on your keyboard to print it
out.

It would have actually been easier for you to (1) click on the smaller
image to open the window with the 'almost' full size page' Once it has
loaded - (2) RIGHT CLICK the image in the new window and then (3) save
the image to your computer. Then (4) pull up the jpg file in a paint
program and tell it to print.

Other easier ways to get the file would be--

(1) request the file via email
(2) request a printed copy from me directly OR
(3) ask me to temporarily turn on the toolbar so you can print it
directly from the web page 😉

I'll go do option #3 right now so you don't have to do all them
shananigans to get the file - LOL

Carol
pattited@smartlink.net wrote:
>
> Thought you would like to know, with my netscape browser, I could click on
> the little bitty icons and see will full size, when I tried to print direct
> after getting the big version, it only printed the small icons and typed
> text..... THEN I clicked back on big version, and moved the big image over
> to left of screen, [BTW to make more visible I hid the tool bars using view
> menu at top of screen], then hit" print screen buton" on keyboard, then
> opened MS word pad and pasted it into word pad from "edit"menu. Then clicked
> on print preview to check, and then print.I found if the image was on right
> side of my big21 inch screen I only got garbage as a print out.This may not
> be so with other programs or smaller monitors. Patti
>
> Carol A. Morrison wrote:
>
> > For those of you who might want to try and download this Will. You can
> > find it through the search engine at the Virginia-Families.com site.
> >
> > URL: http://www.virginia-families.com/search/search.cgi
> >
> > If you'll put "Joshua Preston" in the search area, it will come up
> > with a link to the web page that has the Will. When you click on the
> > actual link, it will ask for a user name and password. Just put in the
> > following (case sensitive):
> >
> > User: John
> > PW: public
> >
> > If any of you have the full Paperport program or have the Paperport
> > viewer, I can send you a copy via an email attachment. If you need me
> > to snail mail it to you, just email me your mailing address. If you
> > have any problems accessing it through the virginia-families.com site,
> > let me know.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		05/18/1999 4:40:21
Re: Joshua Preston's WillCarol A. MorrisonPatti,

I've set it up so you can print now from the 'big' window, but still the
paperport version would be better than printing from the web page. I
don't think you will be able to resize the *picture* if you print
directly off the net and you may not be able to resize it if you print
from a paint program either.

If you get Paperport viewer from Visioneer (its free) I'll be glad to
send you a paperport file of the two pages and when you print, paperport
will make it letter size. FYI, URL for Visioneer is: www.visioneer.com
(follow the product/software links to the viewer download area).

Carol

pattited@smartlink.net wrote:
>
> Thought you would like to know, with my netscape browser, I could click on
> the little bitty icons and see will full size, when I tried to print direct
> after getting the big version, it only printed the small icons and typed
> text..... THEN I clicked back on big version, and moved the big image over
> to left of screen, [BTW to make more visible I hid the tool bars using view
> menu at top of screen], then hit" print screen buton" on keyboard, then
> opened MS word pad and pasted it into word pad from "edit"menu. Then clicked
> on print preview to check, and then print.I found if the image was on right
> side of my big21 inch screen I only got garbage as a print out.This may not
> be so with other programs or smaller monitors. Patti
>
> Carol A. Morrison wrote:
>
> > For those of you who might want to try and download this Will. You can
> > find it through the search engine at the Virginia-Families.com site.
> >
> > URL: http://www.virginia-families.com/search/search.cgi
> >
> > If you'll put "Joshua Preston" in the search area, it will come up
> > with a link to the web page that has the Will. When you click on the
> > actual link, it will ask for a user name and password. Just put in the
> > following (case sensitive):
> >
> > User: John
> > PW: public
> >
> > If any of you have the full Paperport program or have the Paperport
> > viewer, I can send you a copy via an email attachment. If you need me
> > to snail mail it to you, just email me your mailing address. If you
> > have any problems accessing it through the virginia-families.com site,
> > let me know.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		05/18/1999 4:59:01
HELPTeresa WillisIs there anyone on line that can give me Lyn's parents phone number, or
anyone that knows where Barbara is staying tonight. Do any of you know how
to contact Barbara. I have a problem with our meeting tomorrow. She is
suppose to be at my house at 11:00 am. so told me she has no cell phone.
My father is in the hospital, he has had a heart attack, and tomorrow will
be undergoing surgery. So I will not be able to be here, I need to get in
touch with Barbara, Lyn, or Lyn's parents, so I can let them know.

Can anyone help,

Teresa		05/18/1999 8:22:38
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Jennifer,

Do you have anything on CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM & KESIAH PORTIS who were
married in Halifax Co in 1784 or of JOHN PORTIS (her father) who died in 1794
in Halifax County or his wife, SARAH JANE WILDER? Some of the RANSOM children
were born there, too: probably ROBERT RANSOM b.1785 and BENJAMIN C. b. 1785.
Thanks in advance,

Carole

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Hello Ann,

I'm sorry, but I didn't find any WOMACK/WAMMACKs (or anything close), nor
any ALSOBROOKs.

Happy hunting,

Jennifer

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Hester Poythress 1850 CensusWell, Debbie, all I can say is this lady Hester Poythress has been driving us
nuts for years. Who is she and where did she come from?

The initial impulse is to try to connect her to Meredith Poythress, Jr. since
we "know" that Meredith Poythress, Jr. (b. about 1790, Mecklenburg Co., Va.)
married the widow Hester Wilder Mock (b. 25 Feb 1793). It stands to reason
that any contemporary hanging around Screven County named Hester Poythress
ought to be this Hester.

Not so. Here is what we know about Meredith, Jr. and his marriage 1. to the
widow Hester Wilder Mock and 2. to Susan R. Maner:

First, Meredith, Jr. m. widow Hester Wilder Mock (b. 25 Feb. 1793). They had
the following children:
1) George Washington Poythress b. 13 Jan 1819 - no further record
2) John White Poythress b. 13 Jan 1821 m. Mary Ann Wilder. He and his family
"Marian" (sic), daughter Mary 6, Sarah 4, and son William 2, are right
there on that 1850 census with the right ages. (John White Poythress' birth
date off couple of
years from 1850 census but thats "allowable").
3) Henriette Poythress, b. 7 Dec 1823 - no further record
4) Sarah Edwards Poythress, b. 14 Nov. 1826 - there is some further record
but not
in this connection.
5) Isaac Edwin Poythress, b. 28 May 1828 m. Mary Ann Thompson 7 Apr 1850 and
they are likewise shown on that 1850 census with no children. HOWEVER,
the big hooker is that they are BOTH shown with place of birth: South
Carolina. Where wife Mary Ann was born is irrelevant to this issue but Issac
certainly is not. Issac's CSA records give no birthplace but his residence
in Ga. is not reasonably in doubt
when he enlists in Savannah. So, $64 question: really born in SC?

Meredith P. , Jr. m. 2. Susan R. Maner Children are:
1) Mary b. 1829
2) Susan b. abt. 1832
3) John Maner b. 26 Jul 1832
4) Dan Willie b. 26 Feb 1838
5) Ruthy b. 1840

We have to say that this much evidence, incomplete though it may be in all
instances, establishes fairly conclusively that Hester Poythress (b. 1795 SC
if the 1850 census is correct) with son William (18) b. SC, daughter Mary A.
(14), daughter Lucy M. (9) and daughter Jane (5) is not Meredith Jr.'s
wife.....or anybody else's wife that we know of.

The best evidence for that is that Meredith, Jr. himself is on that same
census showing with Susan R. as wife b. 1850, daughter Mary (21), daughter
Susan (18),
son John Maner (15), son Daniel (Dan Willie) (12), and daughter Ruthy
(10)......all right there where they should be.

I tried to conjecture that Meredith, Jr. perhaps divorced Hester Wilder Mock
between
the birth of Issac Poythress (28 May 1828) last child by Hester Wilder Mock
and the birth of his first child by Susan R. Maner: Mary b. 1829. That won't
let us account for Hester Poythress' child William b. 1832 in SC according to
the 1850 census.

I suppose I would come down to two conclusions:

1) Hester Poythress of the 1850 census is a different person from Meredith
Poythress, Jr.'s first wife, the widow Hester Wilder Mock.....despite
identical given names and birth years only 2 years apart.

2) while I couldn't make the case that this Hester's son William is William
E. Poythress, I certainly couldn't make the case that HE IS NOT and, in fact,
I'd say the evidence suggests that is a very plausible option. In his CSA
pension application William E. says he has lived in Screven County "all his
life" but he wouldn't be doing much remembering when he was an infant. And
his birth date as variously given doesn't vary much more than a year or two
from a date that would have him at age 18 for the 1850 census.

Where to now? Gee, I don't know. Hester Poythress is not going to show in
the 1840 and 1830 censuses because only male heads of household were shown.
I don't know that it would be conclusive but finding a William Poythress with
a wife
in the right age bracket and a son in the right age bracket in Allendale
County, SC in 1840 and 1830 would be something to conjure on. We have to be
always mindful of the fact that the Savannah R. (even without a bridge) was
not much of a barrier between those folks in Screven County and the people
across the river in Allendale County, SC. They could slip across the river
with the sheriff in hot pursuit; I'm not sure they'd slip over there with a
pregnant wife to have a baby. There is, of course, nothing that says
Hester's family couldn't have come from some other county in SC but Allendale
County would sure be where I'd be inclined to start.

And if you get those positive signals out of Allendale County, SC, then I
think I'd start working those SC records.....of which I have no knowledge at
all. But I think the signals are positive enough for SC and negative enough
that Hester Poythress is not Hester Wilder Mock Poythress.....that I'd go
there next. And your 10 questions are the right start.

Maynard		05/19/1999 6:13:06
Re: PaperportCarol A. MorrisonDarn their hide! Well it used to be there.

OK, so try this instead . . .
URL: http://www.virginia-families.com/PPVIEWER/

There is one file in that subdirectory called

setupex.exe

Click on it then save it to your computer.
Remember where you saved it, then after its downloaded
find the file, double click on it and it will install
the "free" Paperport Viewer.

Only catch, is that file installs the Windows Version.
If you are on a MAC, I'm not sure what you do now.

Cam

Peggy Tucker wrote:
>
> Carol,
>
> I went to visioneer, but didn't find the free Paperport you talked
> about. Everything was for sale only.
>
> Can you give me more info about the free download?
>
> Thanks
> Peggy

05/19/1999 8:06:17
Reunion TapeI finally had the video tape from the reunion transferred to vhs and if
anyone would like a copy, just let me know. It's a wonderful tape and shows
great shots of the still pictures that were passed around.
Just e-mail me with snail mail addresses and I'll get them in the mail for
you.
Crystal

05/20/1999 4:53:49
poythresses in richmondJean SpilleWhen cousin Julia Poythress (Porter) Wheeler and I arrived at the
restaurant where the clan was gathering, we were greeted by a hostess
who could not pronounce POYTHRESS. Imagine that! I tell you, cousins,
there is some sort of karma associated with being a POYTHRESS. It makes
us strong and brave to stand up under all the mispronounciations and
looks of puzzlement we have received. Being in Richmond with all my
cousins made was good karma. It renewed my strength and made me very
brave. Afterall, how could I be otherwise. THERE WERE NO LESS THAN
THREE BARBARA POYTHRESSES - all in the same room!!!!!!!!!!!

Barbara Jean Poythress,
Prince George, Virginia

05/20/1999 5:05:18
http://www.vitalrec.comThe above URL and below notice were posted on the Screven net today:

>>>>>url: http://www.vitalrec.com
This page contains information about where to obtain vital records
(such as birth, death & marriage certificates and divorce decrees)
from each state, territory and county of the United States. See the
guidelines for information on how to order vital records. If you are
looking for vital records from a foreign county, see my links to
foreign vital records web sites.<<<<<

I went there out of curiosity because I already knew where to write for vital
records, and besides, most of the "records" we're after are too old to be in
the "current" vital
records offices of any state.

Visiting the site was dynamite. To be sure the opening page for each state
is the plain 'ol address where one writes for vital records but there are
links and links and more links, 5 and 6 deep......with terrific information.
Give it a try, I think you'll enjoy it.

Maynard		05/20/1999 5:33:39
Screven CemeteriesDon't miss that long post by Bob Peavy on the Screven net about that new
seven volume work on cemeteries in Ogeechee counties Screven, Effingham and
Bulloch.

Maynard

05/21/1999 5:02:31
Screven CemeteriesOops, sorry, that one should have been addressed to Debbie....

Maynard

05/21/1999 5:03:13
Al TimsHey, Al, was just checking to see if you could still fog a mirror. Sent
e-mail to:


.....and it bounced. You still amongst the quick?

Maynard		05/21/1999 9:54:40
[GACLARKE-L] GACLARKE-D; EUGENE H. TYSONStarrDid anyone else see this posting to the Clarke Co. GA list? Linda

>From: HRay581257@aol.com

>Looking for information on EUGENE H. TYSON and w. FRANCES ELIZABETH
POYTHRESS HERRING when they married???
>
>Eugene was in Benjamine Franklin College 1815. Lived in county (I think)
>until about 1834.
>
>Eugene was supposed to have been a TAX COLLECTOR during that period.
>
>Does anyone have information on the above OR just on "Tax Collector" during
>that period.
>
>#3 Question: Any info on the HERRING CEMETERY in Clark Co.???
>
>Thanks Judy
>
>
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Hi Carole,

The only RANSOM referenced in the book is Lt. Col. Matt W. RANSOM, a civil
war soldier with the First Regiment of volunteers. There were no
references to PORTIS or WILDER folks.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help,

Jennifer

>Subject: Re: NC RANSOM/PORTIS
>
>Jennifer,
>
> Do you have anything on CAPT. RICHARD RANSOM & KESIAH PORTIS who were
>married in Halifax Co in 1784 or of JOHN PORTIS (her father) who died in
1794
>in Halifax County or his wife, SARAH JANE WILDER? Some of the RANSOM
children
>were born there, too: probably ROBERT RANSOM b.1785 and BENJAMIN C. b. 1785.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Carole

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05/25/1999 10:27:03
A Book ToutSometimes I get so deeply into figuring out who goes with whom that I forget
that those folks back in the woods in log cabins in the early 1800's weren't
often walking around in three piece suits and cocktail dresses. I think many
of us have this problem from time to time.

I think I have found the fix. I have a book to tout and I'm amazed that I
was this long finding it. A friend gave me a copy. "Lamb in His Bosom" by
Caroline Miller was published in 1934 and won the Pulitzer Prize for
Literature that year. Margaret Mitchell who won the Pulitzer in 1937,
credited Caroline Miller highly for inspiration for GWTW although the two
books aren't remotely close in theme or substance.

Lamb in His Bosom is the story of a family living on "the Indian side" of the
Altamaha
River in south Georgia in the 1830's. The Altamaha and its two principle
tributaries,
the Ocmulgee and the Oconee, form the huge river basin that drains the parts
of southeastern Georgia that aren't drained by the Savannah River. The south
bank of the Altamaha is deep woods and at the time of the book that territory
has not yet been ceded by the Creeks to the State of Georgia.

The point of this book is not so much an earth shaking plot (there is one but
it's no big deal) but an account of what the daily lives of those pioneers
and their families were like in that time frame, how their lives revolved
with the seasons and how they were immersed in their invironment.

Having been south of the Altamaha, been in Screven County, Georgia, and been
in Mecklenburg County, Virginia......I guarantee one could plop me down in
any of the three and I wouldn't know which I was in.

Lamb in His Bosom is available through www.Amazon.com for $ 11.76 plus
postage.

I reccomend it to supplement one's genealogical studies (and I'm not on
commission).

Best,

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If the "hot link" stays hot during the "forwarding" (the message wouldn't
"copy") this looks like a pretty fair deal if the guy or gal is any good. I
guess they got my name and address from LVA or something. Maynard

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Re: Vol. II - Dorman BookLila.....thanks so much for letting us know that "Vol. II" of the Epes book
will come to life in September. I'm sure your experience tells you that a
"Vol. II" actually
HAPPENING is a fairly rare ocurrance in the genealogy community. And the
implications of "Vol. II" instead of just "Vol I Revised" are all the better.
And if experience says anything, John Frederick Dorman as author certainly
implies that it will be no slouch.

There are so many links between our family and the Epes folks that I'm sure
we'll have a lot of potential customers lined up and waiting. We have 80+ on
our list-server discussion group alone.

When it happens would you please ask someone to post a notice to the
Poythress listserver at the e-mail address above. And be sure to give the
details. Where do we send an order, what are the charges, etc., etc.

Lila, it might be helpful to indicate in the annoucement whether or not Vol.
II is a REPLACEMENT for Vol. I or if Vol.II is truly "in addition to" Vol. I.
In other words, if one DOESN'T have Vol. I should one order BOTH Vol. I AND
Vol. II......or is Vol. II a stand-alone?

Thanks again,

Maynard		05/27/1999 4:27:42
Personal Property Tax - Research QuestionsI am beginning to research personal property tax records for the first
time and have some general questions. It is my intention to research
Brunswick, Lunenburg and Mecklenburg, Virginia records during ca. 1800 -
1850. So far I have researched the lower district of Lunenburg for 1809
- 1823. Here are my questions:

1) I have several examples of households as follows: There is a named
male head of the household but no white titheable; the household is
present year after year. In these cases I have reason to believe the
named head of the household is indeed present in the household and is a
white male over the age of 16. So how could such a household be counted
as having no white titheables? (Typically these households show other
valuables, such as slaves, horses or cash - just no white titheables.)

2) I have been led to believe that any white male age 21 or over in a
household would be listed by name. Is this true and, if so, how would
one expect the listing of a white male not the head of the household to
be formatted? In these Lunenburg records I have not be able to identify
a single example of a second white male being listed in a household.
Surely in 14 years of personal property tax records a district would have
at least one case. Perhaps I am failing to recognize or understand how
this would be shown.

3) The film I was researching (in the Clayton Library) was titled as from
"Virginia State Library" (LVa). Yet, I do not find the film listed in
the 1994 version of "A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records in
the Virginia State Library and Archives" (p. 184). Could someone please
suggest why VSL film of Lunenburg personal property tax records would be
in Houston, Texas and not at LVa? Or why would it be at LVa but not
listed in LVa's own catalog of such records? Are we to interpret the
"preliminary" to mean "patently incomplete"? Or perhaps some of you who
have the book can point me to the correct page.

Any research advise would be appreciated.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Tax listsMartha W. AckerLynn,
Does this appear to be a microfilmed copy of the original list, or is it
a transcript? Sounds like you may have a partial list.
One reason why a head of house might not be a tithable is that he is
exempted by reason of age, whatever the applicable law might be at the
time. However, it seems this would be noted.
Martha

05/27/1999 10:13:12
Internet HoaxesCharles NealBarbara & others:

All of us need to be aware of the following address mentioned in this
article, and go there to check out any Internet-scare stories, such as fees
being imposed on email, etc before we perpetuate problems by mailing copies
to everyone we know. While this message came in a few weeks ago & was a
different "warning" than today's "warning about Post Office charges for
email" the thrust is the same. SEE THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH:

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The latest hoax circulating by e-mail claims that the U.S. Congress is
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05/28/1999 8:05:45
Re: Personal Property Tax - Research QuestionsCarol A. MorrisonLyn,

Here is my take on the subject.....

(1) As Martha pointed out, there might be a number of reasons why the
Head of Household (HoH) might not be 'taxed' - one of which is old age.
I've also seen where the HoH was exempt because he was a preacher and
I think also he can ask for and get exempt status for being poor and infirmed
(or
in other words, he's not able to make a living through no real fault of his
own.)

(2) In the earlier personal property tax records, they usually did a good
job of listing all white males living in the household and the names of
the slaves, etc. BUT this is definately not the case with all counties and
all years. When you did see specific listings in the 1780's and 1790's,
by the 1800's the tax listings get less specific. In some counties
they never were good to begin with. Brunswick is pretty good, Dinwiddie
is pretty good and Mecklenburg is pretty good. Sounds like Lunenburg wasn't.

(3) The "A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records in
the Virginia State Library and Archives" is definately *not* a complete
listing of
what's at the VA Archives and in some cases it is even incorrect. Example,
in that
book, check Brunswick Co. It will show that the Library of Virginia has
'original'
Wills for Brunswick from about 1755 up. However, the earliest Will is 1763.
It
also appears to me that they have a lot more original records for Brunswick
Co. than
what's in that book. Might be same senario for Mecklenburg Co., my next
targeted
area.

The Library of Virginia does, indeed, have a set of microfilm of personal
property
tax records for the county from about 1782 on. In some cases, the Library has

the actual tax records. BTW, they also have Land Tax Records.

And for anyone interested in the holdings of the Library of Virginia, and who
can
go there for research, I just found out that they have acquired the
Revoluntionary
War Pension and Bounty Warrant applications from the National Archives. Now
if I could just figure out where they moved the War of 1812 stuff.

Cam

llbaird@juno.com wrote:

> I am beginning to research personal property tax records for the first
> time and have some general questions. It is my intention to research
> Brunswick, Lunenburg and Mecklenburg, Virginia records during ca. 1800 -
> 1850. So far I have researched the lower district of Lunenburg for 1809
> - 1823. Here are my questions:
>
> 1) I have several examples of households as follows: There is a named
> male head of the household but no white titheable; the household is
> present year after year. In these cases I have reason to believe the
> named head of the household is indeed present in the household and is a
> white male over the age of 16. So how could such a household be counted
> as having no white titheables? (Typically these households show other
> valuables, such as slaves, horses or cash - just no white titheables.)
>
> 2) I have been led to believe that any white male age 21 or over in a
> household would be listed by name. Is this true and, if so, how would
> one expect the listing of a white male not the head of the household to
> be formatted? In these Lunenburg records I have not be able to identify
> a single example of a second white male being listed in a household.
> Surely in 14 years of personal property tax records a district would have
> at least one case. Perhaps I am failing to recognize or understand how
> this would be shown.
>
> 3) The film I was researching (in the Clayton Library) was titled as from
> "Virginia State Library" (LVa). Yet, I do not find the film listed in
> the 1994 version of "A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records in
> the Virginia State Library and Archives" (p. 184). Could someone please
> suggest why VSL film of Lunenburg personal property tax records would be
> in Houston, Texas and not at LVa? Or why would it be at LVa but not
> listed in LVa's own catalog of such records? Are we to interpret the
> "preliminary" to mean "patently incomplete"? Or perhaps some of you who
> have the book can point me to the correct page.
>
> Any research advise would be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
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Personal Property Tax - Research QuestionsCharles NealLyn,

Re: >It is my intention to research Brunswick, Lunenburg and Mecklenburg,
Virginia records during ca. 1800 - 1850.

FYI, while on my recent trip to Richmond, I dictated cassette tapes to
myself while looking for POYTHRESS thru all those years for Brunswick &
Mecklenburg. Since this had to be done during my lunch-breaks from the
conference, I did not have time to pay much steady attention to other names
of interest.

I WILL be sharing what info I can glean from all that review, but haven't
even had time since getting home the other day to even listen to one tape,
much less begin to transcribe the info on the numerous tapes.

You had good questions. I appreciate Carol's responses.

Re your question about who would be listed etc., one of the excellent
speakers at the NGS Conference (can't remember who) read a paragraph from
the law, for only one year back then, as to who was exempt. It was indeed a
paragraph long, and listed anyone having anything to do with the
state/county government (by many specific titles), as well as ministers,
OVERSEERS for heavens sake, and various other catagories of people. The
point in the lecture was that one must study the law, which changed year by
year at times, to see who all would be exempt.

And re: >The film I was researching (in the Clayton Library) was titled as
from
"Virginia State Library" (LVa). Yet, I do not find the film listed in the
1994 version of "A Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records in the
Virginia State Library and Archives" (p. 184).

Be sure to heck the film to see what year the beginning of the film shows
that the filming was done. It may have been filmed MUCH more recently than
the book was done, since the book was published in 1994 & the LVA (Library
of Virginia -- current name of same institution) has only recently finished
filming these records to 1850.

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Re: Memorial DayLyn that is a great idea.

But for me, the closest to home in our family was the loss of my only brother
who was KIA in W.W.II. at the age of 24.

Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr., Gunners Mate 2c, USN -- KIA November 13th, 1942
aboard the USS Aaron Ward DD483 in a major night battle at Guadalcanal,
Solomon Islands, South Pacific. He was one of 17 men lost in that battle.

The USS Aaron Ward DD483 was later sunk at that same location in a major
battle on April 7, 1943. with additional loss of live. Guadalcanal later
became known as "Iron Bottom Sound" due to the many US and Japanese combat
ships that were lost (sunk) there.

Again, thanks for the suggestion Lyn.

Bud Poythress		05/30/1999 4:57:01
RememberingTomorrow is Memorial Day, the day we set aside to remember those who died
in the service of the country. In our family we are thankful for the
many who served and returned, including my dad, George, and his brother,
Clarence (WW II), my grandfather Leonard T. Poythress (WW I), my
twice-great-grandfathers Thomas M. Poythress, Thomas W. Morris and
Burwell Willis Jackson (Confederacy), my thrice-great-grandfather
Hardaway Moseley (War of 1812) and my fivefold-great-grandfather
Williamson Rainey, Sr. (American Revolution). However, like most
families, we hold the memories of those who served and did not return.
In my family we know of two:

James H. Taylor; died 9 August 1862 in "the army", age 15 (a
great-grand-uncle)

John A. Lambert; Co. F, 2nd Rgt. Va. Arty. (Capt. C. T. Allen); died in
Union Prison Camp, Point Lookout, Md., 23 May 1865, age 52 (a
thrice-great-grandfather)

Perhaps others on the list would like to share with the rest of us their
own service dead. Do not be discouraged from doing so if your
opportunity to respond occurs after Memorial Day per se. We on the list
can have our own Memorial week or Memorial month if necessary. After
all, we family history researchers have a special capacity for
"remembering", with which I believe we have the opportunity to bless
others.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Memorial DayLyn.....your sentiments are well taken and appreciated.

However, for me and my house I remain unreconstructed. You have not bought
in to that bunkum re May whatever being "the" memorial day, have you?

Memorial Day is April 24.

Maynard		05/30/1999 10:48:49
Ga. Marriages Spread SheetRE:

Maynard,

While I was gone several messages came in captioned about the above, but
none of them had an Excel spreadsheet file attached. Was it just an
academic discussion about maybe doing a spreadsheet of the GA Marriages you
had found to date? Or have you actually done one?

If you've done one, can you attach the file to an email message to me,
please?
Thanks,
BPN

Barbara, just cause you in California doesn't mean you GOTTA smoke them funny
little cigareets....ME....do an Excel spread sheet????

Hey, Deb, didn't you do one of those beasts or was it Patti.....and I think
you all did both ACCESS and EXCEL. I KNOW it's a database and not a spread
sheet but I'd prefer Excel anyway. Would one of you shoot Barbara and me a
copy?

Many thanks,

Maynard

05/31/1999 4:37:55
Re: Memorial DayBud, thanks so much for sharing. -LPB

On Sun, 30 May 1999 22:57:01 EDT BPoythress@aol.com writes:
>Lyn that is a great idea.
>
>But for me, the closest to home in our family was the loss of my only
>brother
>who was KIA in W.W.II. at the age of 24.
>
>Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr., Gunners Mate 2c, USN -- KIA November
>13th, 1942
>aboard the USS Aaron Ward DD483 in a major night battle at
>Guadalcanal,
>Solomon Islands, South Pacific. He was one of 17 men lost in that
>battle.
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Re: RememberingHelene, I have to pause and imagine what it must have been like standing
on that battlefield thinking about two of one's forebears, each on
opposing sides of a gruesome skirmish of a horrendous four years of
fratricide. Thanks so much for sharing. -LPB

On Sun, 30 May 1999 21:34:00 -0600 Helene Pockrus
writes:
>Lynn:
> We too will be thinking of all the war dead. Greenberry, Olvier&
>David
>Pockrus, who all died in the Civil War. The several who carried
>wounds until
>they died from the Civil War on both the north and south. William and
>Joseph
>McAdam Ruyle on the North and John Thompson and James Robert Pockrus
>on the
>south. Interestingly enough William Ruyle and John Thompson Pockrus
>both
>fought the battle of Hatchie Bridge at Corinth Mississippi, both were
>wounded
>and both sent home. We recently went to the site and what a feeling
>it gave
>us. What a sense of history. A tiny little country town and a tiny
>bridge!

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Re: Tax listsYes, it is a microfilm image of the orginal and, no, no notations are
given as to reasons for exemptions. Thanks for the comments. -LPB

On Thu, 27 May 1999 23:13:12 -0500 "Martha W. Acker"
writes:
>Lynn,
>Does this appear to be a microfilmed copy of the original list, or is
>it
>a transcript? Sounds like you may have a partial list.
>One reason why a head of house might not be a tithable is that he is
>exempted by reason of age, whatever the applicable law might be at
>the
>time. However, it seems this would be noted.
>Martha
>
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Best regards,
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Titheables Follow-upThanks to Barbara Neal, Martha Acker, Maynard Poythress and Carol
Morrison for the helpful guidance in response to my broadcast questions
concerning personal property tax lists.

Regarding question (2), further help would be appreciated. Since I have
never been shown what a "good" list (i.e. one that names multiple
titheables in a single household) looks like, I don't know what to expect
in format. It would be appreciated if any of you who have seen a "good"
list could describe examples of how you have seen multiple names in the
same household listed (e.g. indentation, same line, footnotes, symbols
etc.). I'd just like to know what to be looking for. Maybe this clerk
is indeed listing multiple titheables in the same house and I am just
missing the subtle cues.

Regarding question (1), I offer this example of "off and on" counting:

Peter Jackson
-born between 1770 and 1780
-married 29 November 1822
-fathered 6 children between 1824 and 1837
-no known record of military service, ministerial ordination, or public
office
-land owner and left a will
^1809 through 1811 listed with 0 white titheable
^1812 through 1815 listed with 1 white titheable
^1816 through 1824 listed with 0 white titheable
^1825 and forward not yet researched

Sadly, this sort of "exemptions noise" defeats any attempt to count all
white males ages 16 and older in a household. I guess the research
lesson here is that for the very few, lucky researchers who happen to be
following a clerk who left complete, annotated records, personal property
tax lists are a gold mine. For the rest of us, perhaps we might better
save our waning eyesight for other targets.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Ancestry's new advanced searchesCharles NealFor the benefit of those of you who would like to tailor your searches of
Ancestry's databases, see the below article.
BPN
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Summer Reading Suggestion: GenerationsDiana DiamondA suggestion for summer reading: Generations, subtitled The History of
America's Future (1584-2069) by William Strauss and Neil Howe, published in
1991 Quill William Morrow, New York. The authors view American history as
13 distinct generations of Americans and give each a name and define their
personality and see recurring personalities, depending on the "cohort group"
born into. The authors see these groups as retaining their identity over
time in predictable ways. They see the generarional themes repeating
themselves in cycles.

It's not an easy read, but it's also a book with a lot of charts and
historical names, and it can be read out of order and skimmed once you get
the background.

I'm finding it a way to infuse ancestors with some potential personality and
understanding that is otherwise not available. To be honest, some of the
material seems a little artificial and forced but some is fresh and thought
provoking.

Referring to the baby boomers (1943-1960), the authors say, " (their)
fixation on self has forged an instinct to make plans or judgments according
to wholly internalized standards, based on immutable principles of right and
wrong. The gift for deductive logic over indicative experimentation has
made boomers better philosophers than scientists, better preachers than
builders."

The authors quote John Winthrop as the clarion call for the puritan
generation 1584-1614: " We shall be a city upon a Hill. We must love
brotherly without dissimulation: we must each other with a pure heart
fervently."

Both groups share something in common, they are idealists.

Diana		06/07/1999 10:01:48
comical genealogy poemthis poem comes to you courtesy of Victoria German:
KEEP YOUR SUNNY SIDE UP

I went looking for an ancestor I cannot find him still
He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will
He married where a courthouse burned He mended all his fences
He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. census

He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame
And every 20 years, this rascal changed his name
His parents came from Europe, They could be on some list
Of passengers to the USA, but somehow he was missed

And no one else anywhere is searching for this man
So I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can
I'm told he's buried in a plot with a tombstone he was blessed
But the weather took the engraving and some vandal took the rest

He died before the county clerks decided to keep records
No family Bible has emerged in spite of all my efforts
To top it off this ancestor, who has caused me many groan,
Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named Jones.

Anonymous

Is this adorable or what? Just thought I would send it over in between
recording copies of the reunion videos. For those who requested them, I have
about 3 more to do. I can only survive doing a couple a week. I have all the
dialogues between everyone memorized at this point in time. LOL
Figured it would be easier to send them all at once than to try to be
something called organized and mail each as I finished them.
Hope all is doing well.
Crystal 🙂		06/10/1999 3:49:46
RE: Ga. Genealogical QuarterlyLou PooleTrue!

You might be surprised at how often that second piece of advice has
worked for me. I call it waiting for the information to come to me.
'Course, the trick is to have left trails or "calling cards" so that
the information knows where to find you.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 4:54 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Ga. Genealogical Quarterly

Bob Davis, local Ga./Ala. guru, writes a Q&A column. Interesting one
this
month:

Q: I saw you the other day at the Ga. Archives with a pile of books
and
papers. What is your favorite trick when you are stumped?

A: My darkest secret is that when I have used up every other option,
to
simply throw out a drag net. That is, check the LDS CD-ROM disks,
GenForum,
and GenWeb on the Internet; Family Exchange Cards and the other
general
sources I can think of where I might, by luck, pick up a cold trail.
Dragnets work and should not be ignored. The trouble is that some
people use
the Internet and other such broad sources as their only source of
information; that is, if someone else hasn't done it for you and and
laid it
out for you, it won't be done. Another good trick is just to give up
on a
tough line for a while and work on something else. I have had to
wait,
sometimes years, before a roadblock finally came down.

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit
http://www.rootsweb.com/		06/15/1999 4:17:09
Ga. Genealogical QuarterlyBob Davis, local Ga./Ala. guru, writes a Q&A column. Interesting one this
month:

Q: I saw you the other day at the Ga. Archives with a pile of books and
papers. What is your favorite trick when you are stumped?

A: My darkest secret is that when I have used up every other option, to
simply throw out a drag net. That is, check the LDS CD-ROM disks, GenForum,
and GenWeb on the Internet; Family Exchange Cards and the other general
sources I can think of where I might, by luck, pick up a cold trail.
Dragnets work and should not be ignored. The trouble is that some people use
the Internet and other such broad sources as their only source of
information; that is, if someone else hasn't done it for you and and laid it
out for you, it won't be done. Another good trick is just to give up on a
tough line for a while and work on something else. I have had to wait,
sometimes years, before a roadblock finally came down.

06/15/1999 11:53:35
Following the trail of the HuguenotsCliff Townsendhttp://www.planostar.com/genealogy/

06/16/1999 4:24:39
Richmond dinner videoCharles NealCrystal,

Looking forward to the video from our Richmond reunion dinner. Thanks so
much for making all the copies!

Can you please refresh my memory on your Poythress connection? I know I
must have something somewhere on that, but can't seem to put my finger on
it. Maybe this miserable cold & sore throat has me in a foggier than usual
state.

Thanks so much,
BPN

06/16/1999 8:22:13
Re: InterestingDiana DiamondJust think, Maynard, you'd better enjoy your trip next month to England and
France, because when you return all you have to do is turn on your faucet
with a cigarette in your mouth and your place is toast! Hope you don't
smoke!*#!

Diana

06/17/1999 1:25:58
Interesting>From a new booklet for Maytag appliances:

"Under certain conditions, hydrogen gas may be produced in a hot water system
that has not been used for two weeks or more. Hydrogen gas is explosive. If
the hot water system has not been used for such a period, turn on all hot
water faucets and let the water flow from each for several minutes. This
will release any accumulated gas. As gas is flamable, do not smoke or use an
open flame during the process".

Certainly not on the genealogy topic but thought I'd share it with you as I
had never heard of it. It is either legit......or some guy sued 'em over an
explosion using some junk science.

Maynard

06/17/1999 4:08:14
More Screven MarriagesDebbie....I'm guessing these will be of interest to you most. I have a first
cousin in Sylvania who is getting a little dotty in the years but she can
usually handle a "look up" or two. I sent her my list to look at and to see
if she could get to that Julian C. Lane book in the Sylvania library. She
says she did and that there was little in it that we didn't already have on
our list from the archives. I will make those corrections and additions and
send a corrected Screven marriage list.

Also, she sent me as a separate list "some Ushers". I don't know if she got
these out of the Lane book or not....and I don't know why she only gave me
the year in two instances....and she didn't say if they were marriage dates
or license dates. I'm going to guess marriage dates. (I'll add these to the
master list too).

Anyway, for whatever they may be worth:

Amantha Usher m. James A. Waters 10 Aug 1854

Martha Usher m. Sheppard William Colson 26 Apr 1839

Thomas Usher m. Jane Hannah 1834

William Usher m. Louisa Ann Coughron 1826

William Usher m. Harriet Graham 5 Feb 1855.

If you have any corrections or additions to these, I'd be more inclined to
take your
data than hers. So, if you want to send me corrections or additions I'll add
them when I correct the list.

Best,

Maynard		06/18/1999 10:44:08
John C. PoythressCharles NealMaynard,

Thank you so much for the posting of info on John Carter Poythress. Just
yesterday, I had re-visited our Poythress webpage to see if it contained
one of your marvelous timelines on George Poythress, since I thought I had
seen one somewhere & could not locate it amidst my piles of stuff here.
Unfortunately, I didn't see one there, so maybe I dreamed having seen one
🙁

Glad to hear that Philip Herrington will be putting together more info on
J.C.Poythress' plantation.

Thanks again,
BPN

06/21/1999 6:21:58
John C. PoythressA young man named Philip Herrington e-mailed me the other day asking for info
on John C. Poythress. Philip had seen my e-mail address hanging about
somewhere.

Philip is a recent graduate of Berry College (Rome) and began a paper as an
undergraduate on some 40 SE Georgia plantations, concentrating in Burke
County.
Philip lives in Augusta, a great location for such a study. I suggested that
with the Burke County Court house having burned 3 times I hoped he had a
compelling reason for selecting Burke County. At any rate, Philip aspires to
working his material into a graduate thesis and wanted whatever I had on John
C. Poythress as the plantation John C. inherited from George Poythress was a
significant one.

And George is of course significant to us as the brother of Lewis Poythress
which would make John C. Poythress Lewis' nephew. George is likely either
the son of Thomas P. of Brunswick County or a brother. I would be inclined
to guess son but it's only a guess.

Since I had never gone thru my material specifically for John C. I did so for
Philip and am posting it below for those who may wish to have the information.

*Misc. info
Sheriffs of Burke County
George Poythress (17 Nov 1797-21 Oct 1799) father of John C., later State Rep.
Thomas Poythress (21 Oct 1799-1800-died in office)

*Burke County "Equity Book", 2nd book. (from "Nuggets & Other Findings in
Burke County, Ga.", A. M. Hillhouse, 1981. The will of George Poythress,
living in the State of Florida, provided for his daughter, Mary Elizabeth
Mandell, and his son, John Carter Poythress.

George also had a brother, Louis (sic) Poythress, in the state of Virginia.
The will provided that this (?) mother would inherit Mrs. Mandell's part,
provided that Mrs. Mandell was deceased and without living children.

At the death of George Poythress, Mrs. Mandell had remarried to Dr. William
Cheeseborough. Because Dr. Cheeseborough was feeble and unable to attend his
business, Alexander J. Lawson was made trustee for Mrs. Cheesborough by order
of the judge of Ordinary, Burke County.

*Misc. info
Burke County Will Book 1853-1870 (survived a fire only because a clerk had
taken the book home to work on it. Lists will of John C. Poythress. I have
not seen this will.....but will look it up next trip to GDAH.

*Misc. info
>From Burke Co., Ga. History (A. M. Hillhouse). "The ten largest slave owners
(1830 slave holdings census) were…..the other four with 50 slaves or more
were:….John C. Poythress (52)".

*Misc. info (ibid.)
1861 August. A company known as the Poythress Volunteers, because of the
contributions of "Major" John C. Poythress, was the third to go from Burke.
They were under the command of Captain W. S. C. Morris, a planter in his
forties. This company went directly to Virginia to join the troops under
General John B. Magruder. We do not know their company, regiment or brigade
designation. Apparently, their first combat service was in the Yorktown
campaign.

*Misc. info (ibid.)
1863, Nov. 16-Dec 4. The Poythress Volunteers, as a part of Longstreet's
command, participated in the long, unsuccessful siege of the city of
Knoxville, then in the hands of Union forces.

*Misc. info.: see "The Families of Burke County, 1755-1855, a Census" by
Robert Scott Davis and Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr. (contains numerous tax
digest entries for John C. Poythress.

*"Grave Markers in Burke County, Ga. With thirty nine cemeteries in four
adjoining Counties", authors Powell, Odom & Hillhouse, 1974 Chalker Pub. Co.,
Waynesboro, Ga.
Entry:
Poythress, John Carter 14 Sep 1796-12 Sep 1862
S/o Hetty Carter (the d/o Alexander Carter, Esq.) & Major George Poythress of
Virginia. Major Poythress married a second time so that John C. had a
half-sister, Mary Elizabeth Poythress. She married Addison Mandell. Their
son was George A. Mandell, h/o Mrs. Mary E. Mandell. John C. married a Miss
Morris, a sis/o Wm. S. C. Morris. In his will, Will Bk A-207-09, John C.
excluded his nephew, George A., and left his property to his wife's niece,
Maria B. M. McIntosh (the d/o of Wm. S. C. Morris), and to his nephew's wife
Mrs. Mary E. Mandell and her daughter Annie R. Mandell (Munnerlyn). In the
settlement of John C.'s large estate, the historic Carter-Poythress House,
with all its fine silver and furniture, passed into the hands of Mrs. Mandell
and ultimately to Mrs. Munnerlyn. Thus the house for decades became known as
the Munnerlyn house.

*From Augusta Chronicle 10-10-1823 and Mt. Zion Missionary(Hancock Co.)
12-1-1823". Entry: " POYTHRESS, John C., Esq. m. MORRIS, Miss Eloisa Amelia
11-20-1823 in Waynesboro, Burke County, by Rev. Mr. Babbit.

* "Marriages & Deaths, 1820-1830, Abstracts from Extant Georgia Newspapers" by
Mary B. Warren. Entry: MANDAL (sic), Maj. A. M. m. POYTRESS (sic), Miss
Mary E. , dau. Of Major Poythress, of Laurens Co. M. 1-17-1827 at
Waynesborough, Ga. (note: since George Poythress owned sites in several
counties, which were presumably inherited by John C. Carter, it is not
unusual to see the family as "of record" in any of several counties.)

*"Some Early Epitaphs in Georgia", compiled by the Ga. Soc. Of the Colonial
Dames,
Mrs. Peter W. Meldrim, Historian, copyright 1924.
Savannah, Ga. (in the typus section):

POYTHRESS, HETTY A.
Section D. (___-1818)
Small Granite Headstone Fastened on East Wall.

IN MEMORY OF HETTY A. POYTHRESS
WIFE OF
GEO. POYTHESS OF
BURKE COUNTY
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE
DECEMBER 24, 1818

It is strongly suggested that George Poythress and wife Hetty (mother of John
C.) went to Savannah for a Christmas holiday where she contracted typhoid
fever and died. She was buried in the typus section as was required by law
at the time.

*A. M. Hillhouse, "Nuggats, etc.":
"Poythress (John C.) was a pillar of the Bath-Waynesboro Presbyterian Church.
He was a generous man. The Poythress Volunteers who went early to the war
was named for him. He died Sept. 12, 1862, so never lived to know the defeat
of the Confederacy.

* Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, issue of January 23, 1827
"And whereas George Poythress applies for letters of Administration on the
estate of Hetty A. Poythress, late of Burke County, deceased….given under my
hand and seal this 9th day of January, 1827. Signed: George Mather C.C.O..
[Wonder why George waited almost 10 years to apply for letters of
administration?….it's possible George was moving to Florida (which he did
about that time) and wanted to clean up any remaining business.]

*(notes of Mrs. M. M. Dixon, undocumented)
"17 May 1793 President George Washington was entertained at the home of
Alexander Carter, Esq. in Waynesboro. George Poythress had married Mr.
Carter's daughter, Harriet (Hetty) Carter. Their only child John Carter
Poythress, was Mrs. Carter's only grandchild. The gracious, historical
Carter house was later known as the Carter/Poythress/ Munnerlyn house and was
razed to make way for a service station. The large Carter estates are dealt
with in GM in BCGA, pgs. 231, 242 and it shows that the line of George
Poythress, by that name, stopped with the death, in 1862, of John Carter
Poythress." (note: I have not seen this book. "BCGA" would be Burke County,
GA.; what would "GM" be? Great men? That would seem a bit ostentatious but
those folks were flamboyant if nothing else.

* Hillhouse, History of Burke County

"Poythressville Academy, which was located about a mile and a quarter from
McBean, was in operation as late as 1861. Walter A. Clark mentions having
attended a commencement there that year. Terms for primary students were
'studies $5 per quarter; for the languages $8; intermediate branches $6 and
$7. Board can be obtained in private families in the most accomodating
terms". The academy was named for John C. Poythress (1792-1862), who was a
wealthy planter and slave owner. It is believed that this academy did not
survive the war." (note: I have never seen mention of this academy
elsewhere nor located Poythressville on any map of Georgia; the best clue is
the reference to McBean, a town which I believe still exists but barely.		06/21/1999 11:11:55
Geo & Lewis Poythress, etcCharles NealSarah,

I, too, hope that you can get your digital camera adjusted to work better
for you. It is so frustrating when one thinks they've acquired all the
right technology they want, and then can't make it work like they expect!

Re: Maynard's message on John C. Poythress. The part where he wrote,
George
also had a brother, Louis (sic) Poythress, in the state of Virginia, was a
quote from that book he mentioned. I've seen a photocopy of that page of
the book, even though I haven't seen the book itself. You'll notice that
the guy who did the book also goofed when he referred to "mother" when he
meant "brother."

That photocopied page was the item that made me try in Florida to track
down George's will several years ago. Maynard may have forgotten that I
tracked it down, and reported on it to the list. The original will itself
gives the name of his brother in Virginia as "Lewis." So yes, Lewis
Poythress was brother of George Poythress, as proven by George's will.

As far as the spelling being "Lewis" versus "Louis" we must keep reminding
ourselves that spelling was not cast in stone, even for names, back in
those days.

Re your comment: "It has bugged me for a long time that I saw somewhere
that Lewis died
about 1845-46, so why would he marry Martha Walker in July 1846? There is
53 1/2 years between Lewis' first marriage to Patsy Giles and Mary Walker.
I know this is possible but not too probable."

We don't really know WHEN Lewis Poythress [Sr] died -- We do KNOW that he
was still alive on 18 Oct 1845 because he deeded property to several sons,
including Lewis Y. Poythress, on that date. Of course he COULD have lived
MUCH longer, too. I am, by the way, trying to get thru listening to &
transcribing lots of info that I dictated into a tape recorder in Richmond
while going thru various things at LVA, including tax records for
Mecklenburg Co. Hopefully, that information will help us know exactly which
Poythress males were taxable (& thus were still living) in exactly which
years. (We do have to remember in using tax records that the dropping of
Poythress males at any point doesn't prove they had died, since they could
have moved.)

The Martha Walker marriage confuses me, too, though of course she COULD
have been a nearby widow and he could have been a widower, and he & she
needed to help take care of each other. (For example, just in the
Mecklenburg marriages, there were various "Martha" women who had earlier
married various "Walker" men.)

Re your comment referring to the handwritten sheet listing the John Louis
Poythress family line, which you & Craig & Raymond (& no doubt others) have
seen: "Also his [Louis Poythress'] son, on that sheet, is listed as James
m. Catherine ?. We or I have been assuming that this is James Edward m.
Catherine Preston, BUT maybe this is just James m. Catherine Speed/Smith or
some other last name. What are your views on this?"

I looked again at my copy of that handwritten family sheet that you & Craig
& Raymond have copies of, from the John Louis Poythress family line. You
make a good point: It just shows:
"James Poythress (born Mecklenburg Co, VA 1805; died _____ ) m. Catherine
__?__ "
This sheet also shows THIS James' father as being:
"Louis Poythress (born 1775?; died 1820-1830"

This COULD certainly mean that there was yet another James Poythress born
in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1805, and it COULD even mean that he was the son
of yet a different Louis/Lewis Poythress, though we've only found one Lewis
Poythress in the Mecklenburg Co tax records, so I doubt that he would be a
different Lewis.

Maybe THIS James married some other Catherine. Maybe the (possible)
existence of THIS James is why (1) my family line's James is always shown
as "James E" -- to distinguish him from THIS James Poythress who was his
contemporary, and is why (2) the son of David Poythress is always shown as
"James Speed Poythress."

I'll certainly try to keep an open mind to this possibility. Heaven knows
the NGS journals fairly often have good articles where some thorough person
goes thru all available evidence to straighten out which one of two men
with identical names in the same area, fathered whom...

My suspicion, however, is that the person drawing up that handwritten sheet
from the John Louis Poythress line was merely speculating on paper about
the father & grandfather of John Louis Poythress. My suspicion is that
there were only the two James POYTHRESSes in the Mecklenburg Co, VA area in
the early 1800s: the 2 on whom I have collected extensive information, (1)
my line's James E. Poythress, born in 1803, and (2) James Speed Poythress,
born in 1829.

I certainly HOPE that with continued work, we can find out for sure WHO was
the father of John Louis Poythress, AND for sure WHO was the father of
James E. Poythress. Though I'm fairly sure already that James E's father
was Lewis Poythress, I still have no cast-in-stone proof.

All for now, BPN
= = =
>I was looking over Maynard's message on John C. Poythress. He wrote,
George also had a brother, Louis (sic) Poythress, in the state of Virginia.
Has it been proven that this was Lewis P.? This is the way Lewis is spelled
on the sheet I have, like Ray gave you. My big question is, could there
have been a Lewis and a Louis? It has bugged me for a long time that I saw
somewhere that Lewis died about 1845-46, so why would he marry Martha
Walker in July 1846? There is 53 1/2 years between Lewis' first marriage to
Patsy Giles and Mary Walker. I know this is possible but not to probable.
Also his son (on the same sheet) is listed as James m. Catherine ?. We or I
have been assuming that this is James Edward m. Catherine Preston, BUT
maybe this is just James m. Catherine Speed/Smith or some other last name.
What are your views on this?
Sarah<		06/22/1999 1:33:39
Lewis, et alNice thoughtful reply to Sarah, Barb....you cleared up a couple of points for
me too.

Also, I should have mentioned this in the John C. e-mail but in two cases I
had complete and somewhat lengthy documents that needed to go to young
Philip. Since I am now high tech with a scanner I just scanned them and
e-mailed them to him rather than re-type all that stuff. Both were
transcriptions by you, one being a deed of George's and the other being his
will.

Since I still have these on my hard drive in digital form I'll send copies to
Sarah and also copies to you to have, in Sarah's case a copy "at all" and in
your case to have a digitalized copy.

Sorry to have left that one dangling.

Maynard

P. S. if anybody else wants copies just say so and it's no problem to send
you an e-mail copy. Trust we all know that the reason it has to be done this
way is that the
Rootsweb format doesn't accept attachments but your personal e-mail likely
will.

06/22/1999 11:45:49
another research tool My neice found this website while looking up some of her family. Patti
www.familysearch.com

06/23/1999 5:00:21
Lewis, et alCharles NealThanks, Maynard.

BPN

06/23/1999 9:11:41
Lewis PoythressCharles NealNeed to give you a correction to the date on which I said we KNOW that
Lewis Poythress was still alive. The deed in which he transferred land,
stock, and furniture "to my two youngest sons, Lewis [Y. Poythress] and
Thomas [M. Poythress]," [full names in brackets are the names they signed
at the bottom] was actually SIGNED on 14 Sep 1845; it was recorded in the
courthouse on the earlier mentioned date of 18 Oct 1845. In this "bill of
sale" the father Lewis also mentions that the land is bounded by land of
Charles D. Cleaton, John Giles, DAVID POYTHRESS, and Williamson Ramey Sr.
[or possibly his last name is Rainey without a dot over the "i"]. Also,
all of this property is transferred "upon the condition however that my
said sons Lewis and Thomas do bond themselves to keep me the said Lewis
Poythress and my wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of our
lives..."

Thus, we know that as of 14 Sep 1845 not only Lewis Poythress was still
alive, but that his wife Rebecca B. Taylor (for which marriage we have his
marriage bond dated 9 April 1802) was also still alive.

I have finally made it thru my notes and tapes from the Mecklenburg
Personal Property Tax Records covering 1782 thru 1850. I will post more
info from the totality of that as I analyze it, but what leaps out at me
now is that Lewis Poythress was first listed in 1795, curious in itself,
since his earlier marriage to Patsy/Betsy Giles was in Dec 1792. He and
Meredith Poythress were the only POYTHRESSes in that half of the county at
that point, and from 1786 (when Meredith was first listed) THRU 1794,
Meredith's household only had 1 free male listed -- himself, presumably.
Initially in 1782 the column was for "free males over 21" but by 1790 the
column was for "free males over 16." I do not know which actual year the
change was made to impose the personal property tax on the younger free
males ages 17 thru 21.

Thus it appears that Lewis was NOT TAXED in Meredith's household. Maybe he
looked young enough that they were able to avoid paying tax on him for a
while, but it would seem to me that at least after he married in Dec 1792,
he should have shown up as a taxable free male SOMEWHERE. Thus, I wonder
if:
(1) he was somewhere else, such as gone down to Georgia to help out
probably-older brother George Poythress for a few years; or
(2) he may have been taxed in some other household nearby in Mecklenburg,
such as some apprentices and students may have been -- perhaps in a Giles
or a Cleaton household. Since I did not analyze the taxable numbers in all
possible households in those years, and since the preparer of the tax lists
frequently did not list the name of all the taxable males in a household,
that remains a mystery.

As an important aside here, at the NGS conference in May 1999 in Richmond,
Helen Leary who is a great genealogist who has done LOTS of work in the
VA-NC border area, spoke about families which lived along the border area,
and indeed many times owned land on both sides of the border. The border
itself moved several times, between NC & VA, too. She pointed out that when
you have a family who moves in and out of the tax records, it is often
because they were moving back and forth between their land in VA and their
land in NC. This description for Lewis surely could fit here, as you will
see in the next paragraph. If none of us have done so previously (and I
know that I have not done so) we should search all the Grantors & Grantees
Indexes in the nearby counties in NC for ALL Poythress entries. Has anyone
already done that?

Anyway, in the lower district of Mecklenburg County, VA, Lewis Poythress:
- was taxed in 1795;
- he was NOT taxed in 1796;
- then he was taxed again from 1797 thru 1800;
- he was NOT taxed in 1801;
- he was taxed again from 1802 thru 1807;
- I don't know about 1808 since the film I reviewed was missing his half of
the county for 1808;
- he was taxed in 1809 & 1810;
- he was NOT taxed in 1811;
- he was taxed again in 1812;
- he was NOT taxed in 1813;
- he was taxed again for 1814 thru 1845;
- he was NOT taxed in 1846 thru 1850.

As I mentioned previously, we cannot conclude that his disappearance from
the Personal Property Tax Records after 1845 that he died then. He may have
moved (whether back to NC or to anywhere else).

This timing of disappearing from the Mecklenburg PP Tax List certainly
coincides, too, with the possible marriage for him to Martha Walker in July
of 1846, in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Still no conclusive answers; as noted
before, so much work in genealogy & family history leads us on to more
questions!

All for now.
BPN		06/23/1999 11:13:51
Al Tims addressAl....I sent this to what I thought was your new address (timsx001@um.edu)
and it bounced. Have I still got it wrong? I can't seen you the Portrees
will via rootsweb. Thanks. Maynard

>>>>
Hey Al.....under the index of Wills on the page we have John Portrees will of
1773. However, clicking on that brings up the will of Francis Poythress of
1710 and the Francis will is elsewhere on the page correctly indexed and
shown.

"Behind" the button for John Portrees should be his will which I am
attaching. I found this when a lady named Fox asked me about the will
because a George Fox witnessed the thing.

You mind fixing it when you have a chance. Many thanks.

How you doing by the way??? I'm in the countdown for that 7 week trip to
Europe...seems like the world is closing in on me I got so much to do.

Best,

Maynard		06/24/1999 9:12:13
Printing AOL Adds. BookSome kind AOL-soul posted how to print one's address book out on 8 1/2 x 11
at one time. I did it then but have now forgotten. Anyone know this (or
still remember?).

Thanks.

Maynard		06/24/1999 10:54:04
Jane Poythress b. 1620 d. 1680Can someone please help me with this one? I have information that I
descend from Jane Poythress b. 1620 d. 1680 married Thomas Rolfe b. 1 30
1614\15 d. 1675. The line looks something like this-
Thomas Rolfe m. Jane Poythress
Jane Rolfe b. 10 10 1650 d. 1676 married Robert Bolling b. 12 26 1646 d. 7
17 1709
Jane Bolling b. 1675 d. 8 24 1714 married James Clack
Anne Clack (no dates) married a Mr. Courtney

Thanks,
Debbie Parks		06/27/1999 5:21:13
Pocahontas, etc.You've got it right except my guess (and it's only a guess) is that your
dates are likely a bit early for Jane. First Jane b. ca middle 30's m to
Francis & Mary Poythress. Francis first appears Charles City 1633. Jane # 1
marries Thomas Rolfe, a matter by no means a mortal lock and contested to
this day. However, it is generally accepted for "qualifications" purposes.

They have one daughter, also "Jane". Jane # 2 m. Robert Bolling....they have
a housefull of kids and therefore quite a number of people are descended from
Pocahontas.....positively none of them named "Poythress" since Jane # 1
"married the name away" (genealogically speaking).

The definitive text (or as close as can be found) is "Pocahontas, alias
Matoaka, And Her Descendants" by Wyndham Robertson. This venerable and slim
(84 pgs.) little volume can be found in the genealogy section of almost any
library of any size. It lays out the first seven generations.

Hope this helps. Best,

John M. Poythress		06/28/1999 3:17:33
Re: Lewis Poythress time of deathThanks, Barbara, for researching and sharing this personal property tax
information. As you state here, Lewis Poythress is evidenced as being
alive as of 14 September 1845. We also have evidence, which I believe
you first shared with us, indicating Lewis Poythress had died before 12
July 1848:

Transcribed from photocopies of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.
537-538, beginning near the bottom of p. 537: Poythress To Poythress
This indenture made this the 12th day of July 1848 between Lewis Y.
Poythress of the first part, Wmsson M. Pearson of the second part, and
David Poytress of the third part: Whereas the said Lewis Y. Poythress is
justly indebted to the said David Poythress in the sum of forty five
dollars, as will more fully appear by bond bearing date the 25th day of
Decr., last, which the sd Lewis Y. Poythress is willing and desirous to
secure:: Now this Indenture witnesseth, that for and in consideration of
the premises and also for the further sum of one dollar...he the sd L.Y.
Poythress hath sold released & confirmed by these presents to Wmsson M.
Pearson his heirs &c forever all his interest in the tract of land
whereon the sd Poythress now resides containing 100 acres more or less to
gether with his interest in one youke of oxen (being the land &c conveyed
by Lewis Poythress decd to sd L.Y. & Thomas Poythress) lying & being in
the county of Mecklenburg & state of Virginia, with all the appertenances
thereunto belonging...

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:13:51 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>Need to give you a correction to the date on which I said we KNOW that
Lewis Poythress was still alive. The deed in which he transferred land,
stock, and furniture "to my two youngest sons, Lewis [Y. Poythress] and
Thomas [M. Poythress]," [full names in brackets are the names they signed
at the bottom] was actually SIGNED on 14 Sep 1845; it was recorded in the
courthouse on the earlier mentioned date of 18 Oct 1845.

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A little history.Got this from of all places the ad for egghead computers:
Look.... we predate the first federal bank in the US.
SMART FACTS FOR EGGHEADS:
On February 25, 1791 The First United States Bank Opened.
However they do not say where it is. Presume tis Virginia or Washington
DC.		07/04/1999 8:47:17
Lunenburg Co, VA Will Bk 1, 1746-1762Charles NealIn late May, TLC Genealogy posted the entire text of the Lunenburg Co, VA,
Will Book 1 online. They also posted with it an Index. The book covers from
1746 to 1762. Go to TLC's website, www.tlc-gen.com/ and click on the
link to the book itself there.

Before Mecklenburg County was formed in 1765, that area that is now
Mecklenburg was part of Lunenburg when Lunenburg was formed in 1746 out of
part of what had been Brunswick Co. since 1732, and part of Prince George
County before that.

While I saw no POYTHRESS persons in this Lunenburg Co Will Bk 1, there is
one POYTHRESS-POSSIBLE considering all the spelling disregard in those days
-- a John Pettus mentioned on p.341, as being one of the securities
designated on 2 Feb 1762 regarding a Will. For those of you who have
other names related to your POYTHRESS persons in the southside VA area in
the 1746-1762 time frame, you ought to check it out. They would appreciate
your feedback, as their below message mentions.
Enjoy!
BPN
= = =
> www.tlc-gen.com/
> TLC Genealogy
> PO Box 403369
> Miami Beach FL 33140-1369
> 800-858-8558
>
>We have good news for you - the full text of Lunenburg Co, VA, Will Book 1
is now online at
>http://www.tlc-gen.com/LunenburgWillBook1.htm
>Enjoy
>If convenient, we would appreciate your feedback at Nancy@tlc-gen.com
>The online version is, of course, free. If you need a paper copy mailed to
>you, that, we're afraid, will cost $10.00.		07/05/1999 2:45:35
Census Surname FrequencyCharles NealToday I found an interesting webpage:

www.census.gov/ftp/pub/genealogy/www/freqnames.html

where they list (with NO personal information about ANYone) the frequency
that surnames occurred in a major sampling from the 1990 Census (yes, the
one only 9 yrs ago). They list POYTHRESS as showing up in their sample as
.001% of the surnames. It was ranked the # 13,431 "most frequent surname,"
out of the 88,799 surnames in their sampling.

You might enjoy checking out the frequency of other surnames you are
researching, and taking a look at the surname file's listing, in order
from #1 most frequent until whenever down the list you get bored with that
process.

BPN		07/07/1999 4:11:59
Georgia orphansGot this from the Georgia Houston county web site today. Thought it
would prove useful.
GAHOUSTO-D@rootsweb.com
"You should keep in mind that under early GA law a child was considered
orpahned if the Father died - even if the mother was still alive. It
was
not uncommon to have mothers appointed guardian of their own children."
this was posted by Jack Butler

07/13/1999 1:56:02
Valuable resources>Hi all -
>
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>What's on Mark & Cyndi's bookshelves?
> http://www.oz.net/~markhow/library.htm		07/14/1999 9:35:35
Orphans and Bond MoneyThis came from the Georgia Houston county website on rootsweb.
Houston County Researchers,

After the Civil War, in Georgia, if a child was left orphaned without a
father, because he was killed during the War, the child was left in a
real predicament. If the mother wasn't able to raise the bond money to
become the guardian of her "own children", or if she wasn't able to find

someone who could act as a surety for her, she was in real trouble! If
no one would come forth and become a guardian for that child, then
anyone
who was willing to take "charge" of that child, could "train" that child

as an "apprentice".

If this were indeed, a "real" apprenticeship situation, such as being
trained by a journeyman brick mason or blacksmith, everything would have

been just fine. But, if you take a look at the official records that
divulge this atrocity, you will see that most of these "apprentices"
were
being trained in the "art of farming & household service".

The Civil War may have "abolished" slavery, but there were thousands of
young children who were relegated to a life of untold harsh servitude,
both white & black. For this very reason, there was a mass exodus of
widows and their orphaned children seeking escape from this terrible
situation. It wasn't bad enough that they had to lose their fathers
from
diseases and injuries during the Civil War. Now, they had to escape
from
indentured servitude, not to mention, other "types" of physical abuse.

Have you ever wondered why SO many folks left Georgia after the Civil
War, and never returned? Georgia lost thousands of its citizens (who
went to Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, etc.) after the Civil War, just
because of this heinous situation. If your ancestors "hauled butt" out
of here, just after the Civil War, they may have been escaping from
this
terrible travesty against humanity. In some situations, an "apprentice"

would only be 4 or 5 years old, and had to endure the severe hardships
of
indentured servitude until they were 21 years old.

Whenever there is a chance to capitalize on an unfortunate situation,
you
can be certain that there are unscrupulous individuals who are only too
willing to take advantage of those who are less fortunate. There were
some incidents where an "apprentice" would actually kill those who were
"training" them. And there were also incidents where 12 year old
children were hung for the crime of murdering those who were "training"
them.

There is very little that is publicly written about this very dark side
of Georgia's past. You have to "read between the lines" as you are
researching the court records involving these "apprenticeships". In
reality, we have no idea of what our ancestors may have had to endure
during, and especially AFTER the Civil War!

If you would like to see if one of your ancestors had to endure such a
situation as this, please view LDS Microfilm # 0296031 at any Family
History Center throughout the world. This microfilm is entitled:
Indenture of apprenticeships, 1866-1930. Please note how the beginning
date starts right after the Civil War. Do you think that this is just
some sort of a coincidence? The original records are at the Houston
County Probate Court in Perry, Georgia.

William A. Mills
Perry, GA

~=======~=======~=======~

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:24:58 -0400 "Jack Butler"
writes:

You should keep in mind that under early GA law a child was considered
orpahned if the Father died - even if the mother was still alive. It
was
not uncommon to have mothers appointed guardian of their own children.		07/14/1999 10:12:11
Tool for searchesThis came courtesy of Wm A Mills of Houston county Georgia list serve.
Patti
Researchers,
For those of you who are utilizing the Social Security Death Index in
your research, the following list may be helpful to you. It shows which

state a person resided in when their Social Security Number was issued
to
them. This list refers to the first 3 numbers of their Social Security
Number.

>> 001-003 New Hampshire
>> 004-007 Maine
>> 008-009 Vermont
>> 010-034 Mass.
>> 135-158 New Jersey
>> 035-039 Rhode Island
>> 040-049 Conn.
>> 050-134 New York
>> 135-158 New Jersey
>> 159- 211 Penn.
>> 212-220 Maryland
>> 221-222 Delaware
>> 223-231 Virginia
>> 232-236 West Virginia
>> 237-246 North Carolina
>> 247-251 South Carolina
>> 252-260 Georgia
>> 261-267 Florida
>> 268-302 Ohio
>> 303-317 Indiana
>> 318-361 Illinois
>> 362-386 Michigan
>> 387-399 Wisconsin
>> 400-407 Kentucky
>> 408-415 Tennessee
>> 416-424 Alabama
>> 425-428 Mississippi
>> 429-432 Arkansas
>> 433-439 Louisianna
>> 440-448 Oklahoma
>> 449-467 Texas
>> 468-477 Minnesota
>> 478-485 Iowa
>> 486-500 Missouri
>> 501-502 North Dakota
>> 503-504 South Dakota
>> 505-508 Nebraska
>> 509-515 Kansas
>> 516-517 Montana
>> 518-519 Idaho
>> 520 Wyoming
>> 521-524 Colorado
>> 525 / 585 New Mexico
>> 526-527 Arizona
>> 528-529 Utah
>> 530 Nevada
>> 531-539 Washington
>> 540-544 Oregon
>> 545-573 California
>> 574 Alaska
>> 575-576 Hawaii
>> 577-579 District of Columbia
>> 580 Virgin Islands
>> 581-585 P.R., Guam, Am. Samoa, Philipine Islands
>> 700-729 Railroad		07/20/1999 8:08:53
A worthy ideaTo Doers, not Watchers:

Aren't there enough local people who live in the vicinity of Shiloh
Church Cemetery to organize a cleanup crew by themselves? We don't need

to ask people up in Decatur, GA to help us with our abandoned
cemeteries.
I find it very interesting that so many people only want the
TRANSCRIPTS
from the old tombstones at these old cemeteries. Is that ALL that is
at
the cemeteries? What about:

1. Repairing some of the broken tombstones, and setting the fallen ones
back up.
2. Filling dirt in the graves that have fallen in.
3. Cutting down some trees & vines.
4. Making a plat of where the graves are located at.
5. Marking the boundaries of the cemetery.
6. Putting up some sort of a wire or fence to let people know that this
is a cemetery that is not to be desecrated.
7. Letting the County officials know that there is a cemetery there, and

making sure that they show it on their tax maps, so that there is no
excuse if a farmer or contractor decides to "take" possession of these
SACRED burial grounds.

What about the fact that these historic places have been ABANDONED, and
usually in full knowledge of people who have parents or grandparents
buried there? There is absolutely NO excuse for it at all! I don't
want
to hear anything about how all of these folks have moved away, or that
they are too old to do the work themselves. These folks have younger
relatives who don't mind getting up early in the morning, and going into

the woods to set up a deer stand to go hunting. There are plenty of
descendants who are ABLE to perform the necessary upkeep of these
ABANDONED, let me say it again, ABANDONED cemeteries.

In August 1992, I became aware of an old family cemetery that was near
my
property. It was grown over so bad, that I could hardly see the
sunlight
when I first walked through it. I decided to clean it up, because the
people who were buried there, used to live on my property. I worked on
it alone for a few weeks, but found out that I needed some help. So, I
contacted one of the local lineage societies, who were glad to help
clean
this cemetery up.

In April 1993, we organized a memorial service for 3 of the soldiers who

were buried at that cemetery; and guess what? Over 200 people, of which

at least half were family members, showed up. WHERE were all of these
people when this cemetery was growing up right before them? And where
were they all at when we were cleaning THEIR family's cemetery up?

It just goes to show you, that most folks nowadays, are not going to
VOLUNTEER to do anything for FREE. They'll TAKE whatever info, etc.
that
you can GIVE them, but when it comes time for them to DO their fair
share
of community service, FORGET IT!

William A. Mills
Perry, GA		07/20/1999 8:20:43
Maynard & JeanMargaret FletcherHello all from the Cotswolds
Progress report on Jean & Maynard - we met up for lunch today and it was
wonderful to meet them both at long last. Although we didn't have long
together, it was very special and he has asked me to pass on his greetings!
They are now on their way to Oxford and Blenheim and assure me they are
loving every minute, having visited Winchester, Gloucester, Newent and Wales
on route - the QE2 wasn't bad either!

Best wishes

Margaret		07/22/1999 2:24:34
Maynard & JeanCharles NealMargaret,

Thanks so much for passing along their update. Great news all round.

Barbara (BPN)

07/22/1999 6:01:12
Robert Lee PoythressKATHY WALDRONDoes anyone know who Robert Lee Poythress was? He was born
around 1909 I'm guessing. In Missouri? I can't find marriage
information, but he had a child with Addie Kate Davis named

Carol. Born November 8, 1931 died Sept 5, 1957. This woman Carol, was the
Grandmother of my children. Her son was put up for adoption
soon after her death. My children are looking for their Poythress
roots. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Kathy Waldron
ldron		07/23/1999 3:01:00
Robert Lee PoythressCharles NealKathy,

Re your message (copy below), yes, I have info on Robert Lee Poythress, or
"RL" and I am sending you a separate message with some more detail. I can
direct your children to some of their Poythress relatives, thru Joe
Poythress who lives in Mississippi. Joe and his brothers are descended
from a brother of RL's. Joe is away from the computer right now, I believe,
but should be back online within a few weeks. His email address is:
k4aef@Strato.Net

And if you'll let me know where you/your children live, I may be able to
steer you to other relatives close enough to where you/they are, for
meeting if they want to meet some of their Poythress relatives. I may well
be distantly related to them, too, and I live in the Los Angeles area. My
great-great-grandfather, James Edward Poythress, was supposedly the uncle
of James Speed Poythress (mentioned below as being the ancestor of RL), and
supposedly James Speed Poythress accompanied James Edward Poythress & his
family when they moved in 1853 from Mecklenburg County, VA to Sumter
County, Alabama. (I'm still looking for proof of that last sentence.)

"R L" or Robert Lee Poythress, Jr. was born 19 Nov 1900 in Meridian,
Lauderdale Co, Mississippi (abbreviated MS); he died 30 January 1982 in
Meridian and is buried at a nice cemetery there, Magnolia Cemetery, the
office for which is at 2638 23rd Ave, Meridian, MS 39305, phone (601)
483-4225. R L had several wives that I am aware of (See my separate
message to you for more info)

In a book which I'm sure is still available, there is a good amount of info
available about RL's father, "Bob" or Robert Lee Poythress. "Bob" was
born 6 March 1871 in Sumter County, Alabama, which is just across the
stateline from Meridian by the way, and died 3 July 1948 in Meridian; he
too is buried at Magnolia. Also in the book is a good amount of info about
RL's grandfather, James Speed Poythress. James Speed Poythress was born 24
Sept 1829 in VA, and died 17 March 1923 in Meridian, MS; he is buried at
Rose Hill Cemetery in Meridian.

The book should be available for purchase from Mount Barton Publishers,
4201 Pineview Drive, Meridian, MS 39305, phone (601) 482-2505. The book
was copyrighted in 1993 by Betty Lawrence, Mrs. Tom Lawrence, who died not
long afterward. Her husband is the one selling the books. This book is not
bound. While it does have some errors in it (mainly errors of omission of
some people), it has MUCH great information. It has 187 pages. The title
is: "Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr., and James Edward [Poythress]
and Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress, and Descendants, and Related
Families: Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, McKinley, Peel, Pinson" It seems
to me that it cost around $20 to $30, and is well worth it for info on the
James Speed Poythress line.

The father of James Speed Poythress was David Poythress, who was born 26
January 1800 and who died 26 Sept 1876 (the dates are according to his
gravemarker, in Elmwood Cemetery, Henderson, Vance County, NC). David lived
in Mecklenburg County, VA before going to NC.

We are fairly sure that David's father was Lewis Poythress, about whom we
know some & are seeking to learn more all the time.

Others on this Poythress-List are descended from James Speed Poythress, and
from David Poythress.

So there in a nutshell you have your children's Poythress connection back
about 200 years.
Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com
= = =
Does anyone know who Robert Lee Poythress was? He was born around 1909 I'm
guessing. In Missouri? I can't find marriage
information, but he had a child with Addie Kate Davis named Carol. Born
November 8, 1931 died Sept 5, 1957. This woman Carol, was the Grandmother
of my children. Her son was put up for adoption soon after her death. My
children are looking for their Poythress roots. Any information would be
greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Kathy Waldron		07/24/1999 2:04:02
Re: Robert Lee Poythress EtcCharles NealLyn,

Yep, it feels good to be able to help like that. Got a real nice follow-up
personal email from Kathy thanking me for all the help & she has helped me,
too, to fill in some holes.

It also brought another Poythress query my way re the Louisiana-Florida
ones, but haven't had time to work on that one yet. Maybe tomorrow, or
Monday. . . Will post to the List when I send it, too, since that one
might prompt even more info for us all.

BPN

07/24/1999 6:18:45
Re: Robert Lee PoythressGreat work, Barbara. Isn't it wonderful when you receive an inquiry like
that one, from someone hopelessly ignorant of the basic facts of their
family, and are able to NAIL a response like that, going back 200 years!
And the recipient, though grateful, has no sense of the tremendous
investment, the thousands of hours of research, they have just been given
in an instant.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Some top genealogy sitesDiana DiamondThe Internet Service Provider site offers its top 100 genealogy sites.
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If you are looking for a new direction, maybe you will find it here.

Diana		07/24/1999 12:15:38
Re: POYTHRESSIn a message dated 7/25/99 8:25:31 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, dogtown@tds.net
writes:

<< We are attempting to document whether James P. POYTHRESS, who was in
eastern Gadsden County at least by early 1827, the date of his land
patent, was the father of our John P. POYTHRESS. >>

Hi Linda Clark Smith:

Welcome aboard Linda.

Just a quick question. Without doing a lot of review of my old records,
seems to me I recall a James P. Poythress living in Burke and/or Screven
County, GA in the early 1800 owning property there, and later records
indicating that he moved to Florida. I believe he returned to GA a time of
two apparently just visiting or to dispose of Georgia Property. Do yo know
about when he first showed up in Florida? Burke and Screven Counties join
one another and are located on the Savannah River between Savannah and
Augusta. I don't recall just where in Florida he went.

I'm originally from the Savannah area myself and still have lots of Poythress
relatives in that general area. There are two Poythress Family Reunions held
down there each year. The "Chatham/Effingham County Poythress Family
reunion" which I'm connected to is held the first Saturday in May each year
in Richmond Hill, just south of Savannah; and the other -- the "Screven
County Poythress Family reunion" held the 3rd Sunday in August each year in
Sylvania, Screven Co., GA. I've attended that reunion the past two years
also.

Let me know if you have an early date on James P. Poythress. But as I recall
I'm not sure we found a connection for him even back then. But it might
provide an early location for him.

As ever,

Bud Poythress
Wilmington, NC		07/25/1999 4:47:41
POYTHRESSJames SmithBarbara,

Hello POYTHRESS clan - I'm down in Gadsden County, Florida. Here's my
line:

John P. POYTHRESS, m. Mary Ann DOLAN
Ellen Gladys POYTHRESS, m. Reuben Sevier CLARK
Reuben Byron CLARK, m. Emma Lily "Emily" SUNDAY
Linda Ellen CLARK, m. James Augustus SMITH

Gene Poythress from Chattahoochee, Gadsden County, and my Dad from
Tallahassee, Leon County, Florida are cousins. Gene's dad, Robert
Clarence "Bob" and my Grandmother are brother and sister.

I will not repeat all the information I've sent to Barbara Poythress
Neal this weekend about our family search for the ancestors of John P.
("Price" - is family tradition) POYTHRESS, b. 19 Sept. 1833 in Gadsden
County, Florida.

We are attempting to document whether James P. POYTHRESS, who was in
eastern Gadsden County at least by early 1827, the date of his land
patent, was the father of our John P. POYTHRESS. Records show that
later James P. Poythress owned property in the western part of the
county in the vicinity of the DOLAN family and this same area is where
John P. and Mary Ann lived and raised their family. In fact, John P.
and Mary Ann's property remains in the POYTHRESS family today - Gene's
sister lives at the homeplace.

Index to Florida Mititia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, Fla. Dept.
of Military Affairs, St. Augustine, FL

Paythrifs
1st Lt., 0l:079-80

Portheus, William T.
2nd Lt., 07:015-16

Porthress, Wm. T.
2d Lt., 07:019-20

Porthryss, James
Pvt., 07:019-20

Porthyrs, William
2nd Lt., 02:074-75

Portress, William
Pvt., 07:023-24

Poythress, James
Pvt., 07:017-18, 07:021-22

Poythress, William T.
1st Lt., 07:017-18

Poythress, Wm. T.
1st Lt. 07:021-22
Sgt. 07:009-10

Has anyone investigated these various militia members? Several listings
appear to be for the same person(s).

As we all know, apparently POYTHRESS has been transcribed many different
ways. Boy, those "ss" at the end certainly do through transcribers --
"ys", "ps", "fs". Until a saw a page relating to the old script, I,
too, had trouble trying to decide what that next to the last letter was.

I'm new at all this research -- computer or otherwise. I like to be
straight forward right up front and tell you that I'm willing to share
what I know--which is not too much. Unfortunately, I do not have anyone
close to me who is into this genealogy research. Since February, I've
picked here and there on the computer. I do greatly appreciate and want
to give each of you out there a big THANK YOU for all the hundreds and
hundreds of hours you've spent on POYTHRESS research - not to mention
other expenses!

In March of last year, my mother and I decided to plan a SUNDAY family
reunion. I encouraged her to contact as many of her relatives around
here as possible; just get the word out and I felt like we'd have a
crowd. First time a reunion had ever been held; Mama and I gave
ourselves 8 weeks to get all the planning, etc. done and it came off
without a hitch, if I must say so myself. Mama only could reach back on
her line as far as her Great Grandpa SUNDAY. She'd always been told by
her father that the family had come from Texas! That's all she knew --
well, a lady in Texas had contacted a cousin over here in Florida about
a year prior and then nothing else. I found her name and address, wrote
to her about my Florida family. In a couple of days, she called and we
instantly hit it off with our conversation. Invited her to our upcoming
reunion and she drove over from the Houston area to be with all of us.
We had approximately 90 people to show up last year and about the same
again this year. We're all enjoying the great time together and plan to
continue the gathering on an annual basis. Then last November, I drove
my parents out to Texas and we met about 20 of our SUNDAY relatives for
lunch. This year we had another cousin from Texas, one from Oklahoma,
as well as one from right in Tallahassee, who my parents had known for
several years and a SUNDAY connection has just recently been made, come
to our family reunion!

The best part of all this SUNDAY research has been that we've learned
that Mama's Great Grandpa was born right here in Gadsden County, along
with about 10 brothers & sisters. Immediately after the Civil War, the
family packed up and moved to Texas! My GG Grandpa apparently didn't
like the new land and soon returned, married a local girl, and always
remained down here. Mama's dad was not the least interested in family
history and just never talked it to his children. We have found that
some of the Florida and Texas relatives remained in contact with each
other until sometime in the 1940s. While in Texas, we visited the
cemetery where my Great Great Grandparents are buried, as well as many
of the gravesites of their children and families. There are now about
8-10 of us out there constantly connecting more of our families
together; we are scattered from San Diego to Connecticut to Texas and
Florida.

It would be so wonderful if something so easy could happen and connect
our Florida POYTHRESS family with YOU!! Looking to hear back from some
of you. Please stay with me while I learn the process! Again, thank
you for your time --

Linda Clark Smith
Gadsden County, Florida		07/25/1999 5:29:34
FL Militia Records: various PoythressCharles NealLinda,

Welcome to the Poythress-List !! Great to read your story about what you
have drummed up on the SUNDAY surname, and hope that major progress in
POYTHRESS gatherings will develop.

I did a l-o-n-g message to the whole List on 3-9-99, of which I'll send you
a copy separately, compiling the findings from the FL Militia records,
after one of our Listers, Jane Cralle Congdon, was graciously willing to
track down all those references.

Again, welcome!
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)		07/25/1999 10:19:34
So Cal Research LocationsI was going thru my email files and found this among them. I have a
couple of questions following this quote:
"LA research areas are unlimited. In Burbank area there is a place
called
the Sons
Of the Revolution Library. It was a pink building staffed by volunteers
the
last time
I was there. They have endless VA material, original books,
Revolutionary
material, DAR volumes and much more. I spent 2 full days working there
on
a
research trip once and truly want to get back. Burbank Genalogical
Society
[Note from BPN: I'm not aware of this one, and wonder if perhaps the
writer
of this message really meant the Southern Calif. Gen. Society, whose
library is in Burbank] has a nice small library too. Remeber each Family

History Center will have
different books and films. The big LA Temple has a HUGE selection and
wonderful long hours like Salt Lake does. I usually try to squeeze a
couple
of
days in there. The main LA Public Library has a whole floor for
genealogy.
Go with
different traffic hours and enjoy the day. You are in research heaven
living
in southern CA. Best of luck. I drive 12 to 14 hours one way to spend 4
or
5 days
researching and visiting my daughter each summer."

I have a couple of comments on the research in downtown LA. Does anyone
have the addresses for the "Big LA Temple" and the LA Public Library and
is it and the LA Public library easily accessible by the Metrolink train
system? If so what or who do we need to contact to find out closest
train stops. I know parking down at LA Public [city,not county] can be
expensive but I can hop the Metro for less traffic hassles & maybe $$$
too] and read for an hour on the way home on the train... then get back
if it is during the week.		07/26/1999 10:57:57
So Cal Research LocationsCharles NealPatti,

By the way, I have since learned that indeed there is a big Sons of
Revolution library, but I haven't been to it yet.

Now, the "Big LA Temple" referred to is the great Family History Center on
the grounds of the Mormons Temple in West L A. The temple faces Little
Santa Monica Blvd, not far east of the I-405, though its actual address is
10777 Santa Monica Blvd. Phone there at the Family History Center is
310-474-9990. You enter the grounds from the sidestreet, which is Manning,
and drive up a short part of their driveway toward a little guard-shack
just inside the beautiful tall wrought-iron fence. You don't have to stop
at the guard-shack. There the drive turns to the right, and then you go
straight back along that drive/street alongside the huge Temple. After the
Temple, one could turn left onto another drive/street, but you don't turn
-- just keep going & park in one of the spots along the fence on your
right, or in the parking lot that is after the brick building on your left.
The Family History Center is in the lower level of that brick building.
Enter the building from the street/drive that you were on, and take either
the elevator or the stairs that are next to the elevator, to the lower
level. You don't have to "check in" or anything, but they do keep track of
how many are "visitors" vs "members," so tell them as you enter the Library
"I'm a Visitor." They have LOTS of volunteers who can show you where
things are & help you get started. VERY friendly & very helpful. (Never
any attempt to convert anyone, either.) You are wise to take along a
lunch, as they have only a few vending-machine-type snacks there.

It is THE largest of their libraries outside of Utah. Their hours are:
Mondays 9 am - 5 pm
Tues thru Thurs 9 am - 9 pm
Fri & Sat 9 am - 5 pm
Closed Sundays

The LA Public Library referred to, is the main downtown L.A. Public
Library. Parking runs about $25 per day, so you are wise to want to ask
them about metro connections. I don't have their phone number or current
hours, but their web address is:
www.lapl.org (That is L A P L -- no numbers)

Happy hunting. If you plan a trip to the Family History Center, let me
know what day & I'll try to go the same day so we can eat our sandwiches
together or whatever. And maybe we can even get BPW & Bill to come up the
same day...

BPN		07/27/1999 9:55:08
So Cal Research LocationsCharles NealCorrection:

The Temple by the Family History Center does not face LITTLE Santa Monica
Blvd. I had a brain-lapse. It indeed faces Santa Monica Blvd.
Specifically it is on the north side of Santa Monica Blvd, and the entrance
to the grounds is on the west side of Manning.

BPN

07/27/1999 11:07:14
Huguenot ResearchCliff TownsendSomeone was looking for huguenot research. Here is a site I found on
CyndisList
sheryl

http://www.CyndisList.com/huguenot.htm

07/31/1999 3:02:30
Simple computer check worth the timeCharles NealWhile this is not Poythress-research related, I thought it worth the time
to post, having just received it myself. I know our Mac users can smugly
ignore this, since they're set to function eternally, date-wise.
BPN
= = =
>This is what you have to do to correct a small problem with your computer.
I checked mine,and sure enough, my default was for a two digit date. I
changed the default setting as set out below and hopefully, there will be
no problem on 01/01/2000. It is an easy fix which I obtained from an IBM
friend of mine.
- -------------------------------------------
For those of you running MS/Windows95, 98 & NT, this is a fix for a small
Y2K problem *almost* everyone should have...

The Check
Double click on "My Computer".
Double click on "Control Panel".
Double click on "Regional settings" icon.
Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page.
Where it says, "Short Date Sample", look and see if it shows a "two digit
year.
Unless you've previously changed it -- it does. That's because Microsoft
made the 2 digits the default setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT.
This date is the date that feeds *ALL* application software and will not
roll over into the year 2000. It will roll over to the year 00. (*)

The Fix
Click on the button across from "Short Date Style" and select the option
that shows, "mm/dd/yyyy" or "m/d/yyyy".
Be sure your selection has four y's showing, not just two.
Then click "Apply".
Then click "OK" at the bottom.
Easy enough to fix. However, every "as distributed" installation of
Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover...
==========
(*) NOTE: Some application software would (naturally) expect the year "00"
to be the year "1900". Some of those applications might function
(seemingly) OK...with merely the "day of the week" being misinterpreted
UNTIL: 29 Feb, 2000 -- which the s/ware will think is: 01 Mar, 1900
-- because 1900 was NOT a Leap Year...
<		07/31/1999 7:37:12
Bumper StickersDiana DiamondCan a first cousin, once removed, return?

Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

Crazy.... is a relative term in MY family.

Genealogy: Chasing your own tale!

Genealogy: It's all relative in the end anyway.

Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people.

I trace my family history so I will know who to blame.

It's hard to be humble with ancestors like mine!

Life takes it's toll. Have exact change ready!

Searching for lost relatives? Win the Lottery!

That's strange; half my ancestors are WOMEN!

Do I even WANT ancestors? Some I found I wish I could lose.

Every family tree has some sap in it.

FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records.

Friends come and go, but relatives tend to accumulate.

Genealogists do it in the library.

Genealogists live in the past lane.

Genealogists never die, they just loose their roots.

Genealogy: A hay stack full of needles. It's the threads I need.

Genealogy: Collecting dead relatives and sometimes a live cousin!

Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.

Heredity: Everyone believes in it until their children act like fools!

I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it.

I think my family tree is a few branches short of full bloom.

Life is lived forwards, but understood backwards.

My ancestors are hiding in a witness protection program.

My family tree is a few branches short!

Research: What I'm doing, when I don't know what I'm doing.

Take nothing but ancestors, leave nothing but records.

Theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.

08/03/1999 10:59:27
http://www.upperroom.orgCliff TownsendHey All,
As my husband and I had breakfast this morning he called my attention to

the devotional in the Upper Room. He always reads the Upper Room each
day as a beginning to another new day. He thought that I would enjoy
today's and that he was correct.
Hope you enjoy it also,
sheryl

Thursday, August 5, 1999
God Knows
Read Hebrews 11:29 - 12:2
>From one ancestor {God} made all nations to inhabit the whole earth,
and
he allotted the times of their existence and the boundaries of the
places where they would live.
-- Acts 17:26 (NRSV)

My mother's father was born in a little town in the Black Forest
region of Germany. He died before I was born, so I never got to know
him. During my first visit to my grandfather's birthplace, I stood
looking out over the Rhine River valley. I was in an old castle that
was beside the building in which my grandfather had attended school.
The view was inspiring. As I concentrated on the landscape before me, I

remarked to my host that I was sure my grandfather had stood her and
looked out over this valley. I felt a special link with my grandfather
at that moment. I was overwhelmed by the thought that my eyes -- even
my entire physical body -- are in a way gifts from him.
That thought caused me to see how real and tangible are our gifts
from our ancestors, even if we do not know them. It also reveled to me
God's deep, abiding love. Whatever our cultural diversities and our
family heritage, through our unique gifts. For me it is comforting to
know that the great Creator knows where I am and why I am here.

Prayer: Father God, thank you for letting us know that you know where
we are and that you love us through your Son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

Thought for the Day
God know where I am and why I am here.
Michael L. Beckett (Kansas)

Prayer Focus: GRANDPARENTS		08/05/1999 8:33:19
OH for a court recordNo footprints on the sands of time
OR
Oh,for a court record on gggggggrandpa

It's nice to come from gentle folk
Who wouldn't stoop to brawl
Who never took a lusty poke
At anyone at all.
Who never raised a raucous shout
At any country inn
Or calmed an ugly fellow lout
With a belaying pin.
Who never shot a revenuer
Hunting for the still
Who never rustled cattle,who're
Pleased with uncle's will.
Who lived their lives out as they ought,
With no uncouth distractions,
And shunned like leprosy the thought
Of taking legal action.
It's nice to come from gentle folk
Who've never known disgrace,
But oh,though scandal is no joke
It's easier to trace!

08/12/1999 10:01:25
Re: http://www.upperroom.orgSheryl, I read with interest the Upper Room devotional you shared with
the list. Personally I find that researching family history strengthens
my spiritual life. The psalmist writes, "As for man...he flourishes like
a flower of the field; the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its
place remembers it no more." In my attempts to reconstruct forgotten
family history I marvel time after time at just how quickly "its place
remembers it no more" and I think about my own brief time here and about
eternal things. As I learn about these family members I find how the
moral choices of one generation affected successive generations, either
for good or for ill. This leads me to be thankful for the lives of faith
many of my own forebears led and the blessings I enjoy as a result. This
also leads me to think about my own choices and the effects they may have
on my own children and potential generations after them. Thanks so much
for sharing with us.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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08/15/1999 1:58:45
Epes Volume II due out Oct 1stDiana DiamondI know a few Poythress descendents are also Francis Epes I of Virginia
descendents. As we have discussed during the last several months, our
letters to Mrs. Holden (I believe that's her name) have gone unanswered.

Now there is a new secretary, for a transition after the old one resigned.
She is Judy Kidd,
1570 Berkeley Ave.
Petersburg, Virginia 23805

I received her name from the Epes list at http://www.onelist.com. More
information about the list is available from Lila H Dolinger
.

I just received volume I, and I can only assume my check has been or will be
cashed. How much volume II costs wasn't specified in the letter
accompanying the book.

I shall inquire, unless someone here knows.

Volume II according to the letter is due for release on Oct. 1.

Diana		08/18/1999 3:27:00
Re: Epes Volume II due out Oct 1stDiana,
How much did vol I cost? patti

Diana Diamond wrote:

> I know a few Poythress descendents are also Francis Epes I of Virginia
> descendents. As we have discussed during the last several months, our
> letters to Mrs. Holden (I believe that's her name) have gone unanswered.
>
> Now there is a new secretary, for a transition after the old one resigned.
> She is Judy Kidd,
> 1570 Berkeley Ave.
> Petersburg, Virginia 23805
>
> I received her name from the Epes list at http://www.onelist.com. More
> information about the list is available from Lila H Dolinger
> .
>
> I just received volume I, and I can only assume my check has been or will be
> cashed. How much volume II costs wasn't specified in the letter
> accompanying the book.
>
> I shall inquire, unless someone here knows.
>
> Volume II according to the letter is due for release on Oct. 1.
>
> Diana
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		08/18/1999 10:19:35
Cost of Volume I $30Diana DiamondI sent a $30 check. I gather this includes postage.

Diana		08/19/1999 10:41:54
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08/30/1999 8:26:58
Dorman book??Has anybody heard any more about the possbilities for getting a copy of the
new (or second) Eppes book?


Steve Wall

08/31/1999 6:28:39
The Dorman Book !!!!!!!!Well, you might have known it! Two days after my last posting asking if
anyone had heard anything about the Dorman book, a package arrived in the
mail from the new secretary of the Eppes Society, Judy Kidd, containing the
book! It is Volume I of "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
Virginia", Volume I (a new edition of the book we have discussed before).
Volume II is promised in October and I'll get a copy of it as well.

For the Wall-Poythress connection, though, there isn't much in Volume I. It
says that "Ann possibly married John Wall who was born about 1722" and lists
Walls of Walltown as the reference. The same comment that Lou has quoted to
us about the Elizabeth Peachy will is repeated in this edition, as is the
info about the "Wall v. Poythress" note on the back of Joshua Poythress'
(1740) will.

I will also ask Ms. Kidd about the "Eppes trial chart".


Steve		09/01/1999 5:34:33
Re: Poythress / Gillum/ Gilliam FamilyIn a message dated 8/26/99 11:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cretdg@webtv.net writes:

<< Subj: Poythress / Gillum/ Gilliam Family
Date: 8/26/99 11:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: cretdg@webtv.net (Elaine Gilliam)
To: vkratliff@aol.com

Hi John. I was reading a message you wrote on the Poythress Genealogy
Forum. It seemed to me that you liked to do genealogy on the Poythress
Family, and might have some much needed information , on Elizabeth
Poythress, that I need. I have looked everywhere, and cannot find any
information on her, her parents, or her grandparents. Elizabeth
Poythress was
born about,1714, and died about 1788. She married John Gillum/Gilliam,
born about 1714, and died about 1772. Their son, John Gillum/Gilliam
(1743-1780), married Jane Henry. Her father was Rev. Patrick Henry. He
was an uncle of Patrick Henry.Their son, John Henry Gillum/Gilliam,
married Mary Harrison.. They had a daughter named, Jane Henry
Gillum/Gilliam, born about 1804 in Prince George, Co. VA.
If you have any information on Elizabeth Poythress, and her ancestors,
that you would like to share, I would be very grateful. Hope to hear
from you soon. Sincerely,
Elaine Gilliam >>

Hi Elaine, nice to hear from you. I have just returned from a 7 week absence
which is the reason for my delay in answering you. Frankly, your question
itself told me more than I knew. However, there are at least two members of
the Poythress list server who have a very active interest in the Gilliam.
I'm asking either or both of them to answer you directly since they have much
more comprehensive Gilliam records than do I. I expect you will hear from
one of them shortly.

Best,

John M. Poythress		09/01/1999 8:49:11
Re: The Dorman Book !!!!!!!!elise markhamWould you kindly please do a lookup for me?

Henry Randolph IV, b. 2/11/17, son of Henry III and Elizabeth Eppes md
Tabitha Poythress, b 1725, daughter of Robert Poythress b. ca 1699 and
Elizabeth???.

I have been looking at the theory that Elizabeth may have been another
Bland. Would you please let me know if there are any theories postulated in
this book as to the mother of Tabitha Poythress and their source?

Thanks.

Elise H. Markham
"Lisette"
>From: SteveW602@aol.com
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: The Dorman Book !!!!!!!!
>Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 23:34:33 EDT
>
>Well, you might have known it! Two days after my last posting asking if
>anyone had heard anything about the Dorman book, a package arrived in the
>mail from the new secretary of the Eppes Society, Judy Kidd, containing the
>book! It is Volume I of "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
>Virginia", Volume I (a new edition of the book we have discussed before).
>Volume II is promised in October and I'll get a copy of it as well.
>
>For the Wall-Poythress connection, though, there isn't much in Volume I.
>It
>says that "Ann possibly married John Wall who was born about 1722" and
>lists
>Walls of Walltown as the reference. The same comment that Lou has quoted
>to
>us about the Elizabeth Peachy will is repeated in this edition, as is the
>info about the "Wall v. Poythress" note on the back of Joshua Poythress'
>(1740) will.
>
> I will also ask Ms. Kidd about the "Eppes trial chart".
>
>
>Steve
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Dorman BookGee, nice going, Steve.

I realize you don't have much basis for comparison (never having seen the
original of
volume 1) but does anything suggest to you that the "revised" volume 1 is
significantly different than the "original" volume 1?

Since, as you say, even revised volume 1 didn't appear to be a moonshot, I'm
inclined to just wait to buy volume 2 and be done with it.

Thoughts?

Maynard		09/02/1999 4:28:15
Library of Va. Bulletin May/JuneItem of interest to us. Page 5:

"GUIDES TO BIBLE RECORDS AVAILABLE

The Library of Virginia is pleased to announce the availability of "A Guide
to Bible Records in the Library of Virginia", Volume 1, compiled by Lyndon H.
Hart, III and the publication of "A Guide to Bible Records in the Library of
Virginia, Volume II, compiled by Dale F. Harter.

The two volumes contain descriptive entries for approximately 5,000 Bibles
and family registers collected by the library since 1928. The indexes
include entries to all surnames mentioned in the Bible records. The first
volume covers records obtained by the Library between 1928 and 1982 and the
second covers those records acquired between 1983 and 1998. A single volume
is $20 and the two-volume set is
$37.50. To order please contact the Library of Virginia Shop, 800 W. Broad
Street,
Richmond, VA 23219-8000, 804-692-3524.

When volume one of "A Guide to Bible Records in the Library of Virginia"
originally appeared in 1985, the Library of Virginia had barely entered the
computer age. The extensive collection of family Bible records was one of
the first archival collections to be catalogued electronically.
Subsequently, the Library digitalized the records, and they are available to
researchers at the library's home page http://www.lva.lib.va.us.

While the library continues to provide access to archival records using the
latest technology, the need still exists for printed finding aids and we are
happy to make these volumes available.

Because Virginia had no centralized recording of vital statistics until 1853,
these family Bible records represent an invaluable source of information for
researchers. The Library actively seeks copies of privately held Bible
records for its archives. Potential donors who have records related to
Virginia residents and wish to donate them to the collection should contact
the Library of Virginia, Description Services
Branch, 804-692-3798."


Hope this will be of interest to some of us.

Maynard		09/02/1999 5:04:08
Elizabeth EpesLisette,

The closest I can come is Dorman's comment's on Elizabeth Epes (Dorman's
number 1215), "born in the 1690's and married, 29 March 1714, Henry Randolph,
son of Henry Randolph II (1665-1693) and his wife Sarah Swann (died 1714),
who lived near Swift Creak in Henrico (now Chesterfield) County." This
listing is on page 161 (of Volume I, of course). Their son Henry would
have logically been Henry IV, although the book does not call him so, and he
was "born at Appomattox 11 Feb 1721/2 and died 30 April 1771. He married
Tabitha Poythress, daughter of Robert Poythress of Prince George County, who
was born in 1725." So this Elizabeth is Tabitha's mother, as you indicate in
your email. There is more on these folks in the book.

Looking back on 1215 Elizabeth takes us to page 119, which tells us that
Dorman's source on Elizabeth is "Henrico Co. Deeds & Wills 1677-92, p. 372.".
She is listed as issue of Francis Eppes (ca. 1657-1720) and Anne Isham,
daughter of Col. Henry Isham and his wife Katherine (Banks) Royall", who was
married some time between 23 Sept. 1678 and 20 Feb 1681/2.

Hope that helps. There is more detail on most of this in the book and if
you're interested I could xerox some pages for you.


Steve Wall		09/03/1999 5:47:33
Re: Dorman BookMaynard,

Now that I've had a chance to look at it closer, it appears that this is
copyrighted in 1992 and is perhaps a new printing - or even just a
well-preserved copy of the 1992 printing. There is no indication that it is
anything else. The problem with these privately printed books is that they
don't have the usual Library of Congress stuff about printings, etc.

But I'll say this: Dorman is one thorough guy. If he's still alive I'd love
to get his opinion on the Wall-Poythress question. Maybe he knows where the
"trial chart of the Epes" that Batte mentions is, or something about it.

But of course, as you point out, I can't really tell if this is anything new.
If it's important I'd be happy to send it to you so you can compare. I sent
off for Vol II yesterday - we'll see how long it takes.		09/03/1999 6:01:05
Re: Elizabeth Epeselise markhamNo, this Elizabeth Eppes is Henry Randolph IV's mother, not Tabitha
Poythress' mother. Henry IV md Tabitha Poythress. Tabitha's father, Robert
Poythress md Elizabeth ??. Henry Randolph IV's line is Henry III and
Elizabeth Eppes, and Henry II md Sarah Swann. I can understand your
confusion- too many Elizabeths.

I do thank you for the look up. Too bad there was nothing on Robert
Poythress' wife- Tabitha's mother.

Lisette


>From: SteveW602@aol.com
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Elizabeth Epes
>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:47:33 EDT
>
>Lisette,
>
>The closest I can come is Dorman's comment's on Elizabeth Epes (Dorman's
>number 1215), "born in the 1690's and married, 29 March 1714, Henry
>Randolph,
>son of Henry Randolph II (1665-1693) and his wife Sarah Swann (died 1714),
>who lived near Swift Creak in Henrico (now Chesterfield) County." This
>listing is on page 161 (of Volume I, of course). Their son Henry would
>have logically been Henry IV, although the book does not call him so, and
>he
>was "born at Appomattox 11 Feb 1721/2 and died 30 April 1771. He married
>Tabitha Poythress, daughter of Robert Poythress of Prince George County,
>who
>was born in 1725." So this Elizabeth is Tabitha's mother, as you indicate
>in
>your email. There is more on these folks in the book.
>
>Looking back on 1215 Elizabeth takes us to page 119, which tells us that
>Dorman's source on Elizabeth is "Henrico Co. Deeds & Wills 1677-92, p.
>372.".
> She is listed as issue of Francis Eppes (ca. 1657-1720) and Anne Isham,
>daughter of Col. Henry Isham and his wife Katherine (Banks) Royall", who
>was
>married some time between 23 Sept. 1678 and 20 Feb 1681/2.
>
>Hope that helps. There is more detail on most of this in the book and if
>you're interested I could xerox some pages for you.
>
>
>Steve Wall
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Re: Dorman BookThanks, Steve, I think I'll just hang on to volume 1 and go ahead & order
volume2. Is it same address and $, and, if not, what's the new info?

Re Dorman.....I'm fairly sure he is alive, especially if he just concluded
the volume 2. I have also heard his name in connection with Library of
Virginia stuff. If he is in the
"circle", and obviously he is, my guess is that Craig Scott ought to have an
address for you.

A mild caveat is that I have had limited success with these type guys. After
all, they are doing it for a living, not fun. But, one can find an acorn
once in a while if you take all the "trouble" of the table: i. e., send SASE,
make question simple & direct,
etc.

I'd love to see you hit gold with this one.

Maynard		09/04/1999 5:40:14
Re: [Fwd: Epes Volume II due out Oct 1st]In a message dated 9/4/99 2:32:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cctowns@thenett.com writes:

<< Subj: [Fwd: Epes Volume II due out Oct 1st]
Date: 9/4/99 2:32:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: cctowns@thenett.com (Cliff Townsend)
Reply-to: cctowns@thenett.com (Townsend, Cliff)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com (John M. Poythress)

Maynard,
I dug this up from old e-mail. If we want Volume II do we write to this
Judy Kidd? Where are you going to get your second volume from?
thanks,
sheryl >>

Steve, you have this on the top of your head don't you?

Thanks,

Maynard		09/04/1999 9:39:11
Re: Dorman BookCliff TownsendHey,
What happened to Steve or Graig Scott on the answer to this question about Volume II of the Dorman book on the Epes? Anybody have the answer?
sheryl

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks, Steve, I think I'll just hang on to volume 1 and go ahead & order
> volume2. Is it same address and $, and, if not, what's the new info?
>
> Re Dorman.....I'm fairly sure he is alive, especially if he just concluded
> the volume 2. I have also heard his name in connection with Library of
> Virginia stuff. If he is in the
> "circle", and obviously he is, my guess is that Craig Scott ought to have an
> address for you.
>
> A mild caveat is that I have had limited success with these type guys. After
> all, they are doing it for a living, not fun. But, one can find an acorn
> once in a while if you take all the "trouble" of the table: i. e., send SASE,
> make question simple & direct,
> etc.
>
> I'd love to see you hit gold with this one.
>
> Maynard
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FW: Price of Dorman Book Volume IIDiana Diamond-----Original Message-----
From: genealogy98@juno.com [mailto:genealogy98@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 11:15 AM
To: diamondDPC@erols.com
Cc: bekki@cybertrails.com
Subject: Price of Dorman Book Volume II


Diana:

We will not know anything until AFTER the Society's Board Meeting
on 23 Sept. It definately will be higher than Vol. I as it has more
pages,
etc. Probably $45 to $60.

I can only 'assume' that Vol II will contain just the next three
generations.
Vol. III is in the works from what I understand. Naturally there was a
lot
more info provided and verified for this Vol. than Vol. I.

Lila
**********************
On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:15:52 -0500 "Diana Diamond"
writes:
> From: "Diana Diamond"
>
> Dear Lila and Becky:
>
> Can you please inform us of the price of the Dorman Volume II and if
> the
> release date remains October One.
>
> Over on the Poythress List at rootsweb, the Epes descendents are
> curious.
>
> Can you tell me what Volume II will contain? My guess is the next
> generations after the ones covered in Volume I, but guessing is not
> always
> the best way to go.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Diana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lila of VA

Researching surnames - all in VA:
CRENSHAW* *DOLINGER* *EPPS* *HARDY* *IRBY* *MARABLE* *
OLIVER* *PENNINGTON* *SEXTON* *SMALLMAN* *SULLIVAN		09/07/1999 12:03:45
helloTeresa Willis> > "Keep Your Fork"
> >
> > ---
> >
> > There was a woman who had been diagnosed with a terminal illness
> > and had been given three months to live. So as she was getting
> > her things "in order", she contacted her pastor and had him come
> > to her house to discuss certain aspects of her final wishes. She
> > told him which songs she wanted sung at the service, what she
> > would like stated and read, and what outfit she wanted to be
> > buried in. The woman also requested to be buried with her favorite
> > Bible. Everything was in order and the pastor was preparing to
> > leave when the woman suddenly remembered something very important
> > to her.
> >
> > "There's one more thing," she said excitedly.
> >
> > "What's that?" came the pastor's reply.
> >
> > "This is very important," the woman continued. "I want to be
> > buried with a fork in my right hand."
> >
> > The pastor stood looking at the woman, not knowing quite what
> > to say.
> >
> > "That surprises you, doesn't it?" the woman asked.
> >
> > "Well, to be honest, I'm puzzled by the request," said the pastor.
> >
> > The woman explained. "In all my years of attending church socials
> > and potluck dinners, I always remember that when the dishes of the
> > main course were being cleared, someone would inevitably lean over
> > and say, 'Keep your fork'. It was my favorite part because I knew
> > that something better was coming... like velvety chocolate cake or
> > deep-dish apple pie. Something wonderful, and with substance! So,
> > I just want people to see me there in that casket with a fork in my
> > hand and I want them to wonder "What's with the fork?'. Then I want
> > you to tell them: "Keep your fork... the best is yet to come".
> >
> > The pastor's eyes welled up tears of joy as he hugged the woman
> > goodbye. He knew this would be one of the last times he would see
> > her before her death. But he also knew that the woman had a better
> > grasp of heaven than he did. She KNEW that something better was
> > coming. At the funeral as people were walking by the woman's casket
> > they saw the pretty dress she was wearing, her favorite Bible, and
> > the fork placed in her right hand. Over and over, the pastor heard
> > the question "What's with the fork?" And over and over, he smiled.
> >
> > During his message, the pastor told the people of the conversation
> > he had with the woman shortly before she died. He also told them
> > about the fork and about what it symbolized to her. The pastor told
> > the people how he could not stop thinking about the fork and told
> > them that they probably would not be able to stop thinking about it
> > either. He was right.
> >
> > So the next time you reach down for your fork, let it remind you,
> > oh so gently, that the best is yet to come.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Friends are a very rare jewel, indeed. They make you smile, and
> > encourage you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share a word of
> > praise, they help with whatever they can, and they always want to
> > open their hearts to us.
> >
> > Show your friends how much you care. Send this to everyone you
> > consider a FRIEND even if it means sending it back to the person
> > who sent it to you.
> >
> >
>

09/09/1999 8:35:26
hellojean spilleHello Cousins,

I am still here...just pursuing other passions at the moment.

I have sent Lucky my email...now I need Krystal Durham's if anyone has it. She has all my genealogy stuff and I cant get in touch with her....Help!!!!!!!!!

Jean

09/12/1999 1:58:29
Jean Spillehoracep8Hi All

Does any one have Jeans current e-mail addresss. I tried 3 times to e-mail
her,but it was kicked back every time. I would like any help that you can
give.

Horace Poythress (Lucky)		09/12/1999 12:15:04
Re: helloVictoria L. GermanRE: Crystal Durham's email: Try this.I have emailed
Crystal also,but have not received any answer.HOWEVER,the mail has not
bounced back so I can only guess that she is busy?Have a happy day
ya'll!!
Victoria

jean spille wrote:
>
> Hello Cousins,
>
> I am still here...just pursuing other passions at the moment.
>
> I have sent Lucky my email...now I need Krystal Durham's if anyone has it. She has all my genealogy stuff and I cant get in touch with her....Help!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jean
>
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Itinerary in EuropeAs follows. I started out to be mercifully brief and failed miserably.
Click me off if you're not in the mood. Pics not yet available since we
unloaded a bunch of film on daughter to bring home from Dusseldorf and she
has not made it from Houston to here yet. And, besides, pics won't send on
listserver. Anybody interested in any particular thing just let me know and
I'll send you some scans when I get the pics developed.

7/16...Winchester.....that GREAT statue of Alfred the Great where he looks
like the next thing to God....been waiting half my life to see that one.
Just think about one guy with 250 followers hiding out in the marshes south
of London ca 750 and they are the last 251 people on the planet who speak
English. Get out of that trap and reconquer the place and my money says one
deserves to be the only English king to be called "the great". On to
Winchester Cathedral....wonderful....but then they all are.

7/17...Stonehenge....many of the Brits are not "fans"...maybe just because
they remember when you could climb around on the thing. Don't believe a word
of it. Its awesome even with a fence and a million tourists. If you go to
England don't get talked out of it. P. S., my opinion is not universally
held.....Margaret Fletcher's husband Neil (for example) speculates
mischievously that it is likely the remains of a roof for some rich guy's
palace....I don't believe him....preferring the mystic answer or maybe even,
"no answer".

7/18...Sunday communion at St. Mary's Church in Newent. Interesting church
but oldest gravestone in yard is late 1700's. Rector has glassy eyed stare
and is clueless. Suggested the records at Glouscester.....just as Margaret
Fletcher figured out long time ago....more later.

7/19...Brecon Beacons National Forest in Wales. So beautiful its spooky.
About 1000 times more sheep than people. Visited castle/palace which was
retirement home for Knights Templar. We were with "locals" and I doubt if
many in Wales even know about this place. We were only visitors when we were
there.

7/20...Hereford Cathedral.....folks there tell me we are for sure "Poitres"
Normans and we need to look again in those Gloustershire records PLUS the
adjoining Herefordshire records. It goes without saying that these folks
have no genealogical "credentials" but neither do I so I took 'em at face
value and smiled sweetly. I wasn't there to "do" genealogy anyway.

7/21....back into Wales to see a castle or two....by now I'm figuring you see
one pile of castle ruins you've seen 'em all. Not so. More later.

7/22...over to Northleach to have lunch with Margaret and Neil Fletcher.
Margaret has new job and can't break loose for more than lunch so we did that
and then Neil
takes us to see a Roman spa re-build in Chedworth. I'm later told by others
that Chedworth is "Bath without the million tourists". It was great. We had
guardian angels like Neil looking out for us all the time. Margaret looks
like the clone of a Poythress cousin of mine (a pretty one needless to say)
and I'm gonna send Margaret a scan.

7/23....Blenheim Palace so Jean can do her "Winston Churchill" thing. (by the
way, its obvious by now we are headed in the wrong direction to work in
either of my two Arthur things so they sort of went by the board. I didn't
kick too much since I had been told by now that they were substantial climbs.)

7/24...back to Gloucester to see the cathedral.....by the way, we're
exploring all these towns as we go so just assume that when I mention a high
spot....we crash in Gloucester after customarily delicious "pub food" and a
couple of "pints".

7/25....train to Edinburgh....cab to hotel in Haddington.....Haddington
itself is an obscure charmer . Those of you the right age and with good
memories will remember that Winnie the Pooh was "a Haddington bear". ...or
was it Paddington?
Anyway, buy bear for granddaughter....that was a nano-second decision. I'm
bushed so Jean walks to nearby St. Marys chapel and meets old codger whose
lifelong preoccupation is discovering and recording the individualized
"mason's marks" on ancient building stones. The guy is a storybook
character. Jean is now the SECOND person in the world that even knows that
there ARE mason's marks, much less where to look for them and that different
guys made different marks.

7/26.....bus to downtown Edinburgh....catch the round town tour bus for
perspective.
Neat place. Doesn't take long to figure out that the Scots gotta be in the
top 10 for "kind and gentle" even if Sir Walter Scott did invent the entire
place.

7/27....Edinburgh Castle, etc. Wow! Makes one want the Stuarts back, they
were only crazy, so what's new.

7/28....pick up daughter Leigh, her husband and her 17 year old step-son.
Leave hotel in Haddington headed for highlands and on the way see Tantalon
Castle ruins.....nope, they ain't all alike. This one is hanging out over
the Firth of Forth and is simply mindboggling with 10 ft. waves crashing into
its base and seabirds riding the thermals up the sides. For castle-placement
those old guys broke the code:
location, location, location.

7/29....Culloden field.....where Duke of Cumberland zapped Bonnie Prince
Charlie. If you got a drop of Scots blood in you this place is goose-bump
city....even if my clan did hang loose about 40 miles away to wait to join
the winning side.

7/30....to Tulloch Castle, Dingwall, Scotland. An early 40's couple with
half the money in the world (its taking that much) is period restoring it and
it was already a first rate hotel. Most of you have heard me say my daughter
is the clone of her grandmother whose family built the place in early 12th
century so it had special meaning for Leigh and of course me too. The place
is awesome. Shot a couple of rolls of film at least.

7/31....down the west bank of Loch Ness (no Nessie sighting but after a pint
at lunch I did see a guy I thought looked kinda like Elvis), Castle Urquhart
is probably most famous ruins along the way. Had to do them. They were
fairly classy. Charged admission but at least you got a piper. Over to the
Isle of Skye....disappointed to learn that Drambuie's tout is that the stuff
is "from the receipe of a nobleman of Skye", NOT actually MADE on Skye. Skye
is beautiful anyway. Saw the seals, otters, and Flora MacDonald's grave.
Ten points for identifying her.

(aside: we're hitting the only consecutive 8 or so days in the history of
Scotland when it doesn't either rain, sleet, snow, fog or whatever. We're in
scenery that is just indescribably beautiful and weather to match. For
roads, almost none of the traditional American "switchbacks" as we have in
the mountains.....in Scotland the road either winds thru the glens or goes
straight up. The roads are great and so are the drivers).

8/1....we're into taking all the back roads now. One lane and those folks
(everybody in Britain....usually) drive like the scene has been
choreographed, total politeness as they share the road going at ungodly
speeds. We'd all get killed in America driving like that.....in America the
guy with the biggest truck would just crush the other guy; a friend
suggested that the Brits have to pass a course in good manners to get a
driving license and Americans don't...I think he figured it about right.

For fun, we take a rinky-dink little ferry back to the mainland and down to
Ft. William. Drove down almost to Oban to see Castle Stalker which is the
castle at the tail end of Monty Python's Holy Grail. Big time photo op for
me and "honorary grandson" who are both Monty Python freaks.

8/2....start out to do the big thing in Ft.William: climb Ben Nevis. Or at
least the irrational ones among us start out...daughter, son-in-law and his
17 year old. Ben Nevis is advertised as highest mt. in Britain.....clocks in
at about 6M feet I believe.

Its not climbed in the sense of ropes and spikes, its just an unbelievably
tough path that goes big time steep, has a 2000 ft. wall cliff on one side of
the 18" path and a 2000 ft. drop on the other side of it. They loose an
average of 14 folks per year....as in "dead". Predictable outcome:
son-in-law and the 17 year old with good sense quit one third of the way up
and come back. Leigh does the whole thing and comes back with t-shirt " Ben
Nevis...been there...climbed that".....marianates her blistered feet and the
inside of her tummy in the local curative "waters" and rallies for the next
day.

8/4 Stirling Castle, Wallace Monument, Robert the Bruce equestrian statue,
Dunfernline abbey.

8/5.....walk the Bannockburn battlefield where Robert the Bruce zapped one of
the Edwards ( I forget which one, 3rd maybe?) in 1319 or so.....had to do
that one since there were Baynes there with the rest of the crazy Scotsmen.
That field and hill and bog is spooky to walk realizing the historical
implications for a nation of people.

8/6 ....Edinburgh Castle for the "world famous" military tattoo. I guess I
was expecting too much but it was something of a disappointment.....or only
thing even close to a disappointment on entire trip. It was like they
injected a bunch of low comedy to get the gate up maybe by playing it for
laughs.

Parts of it were stupendous as expected but on the whole they did a better
one in France that was on the TV the next night or so. To lose to the French
on a military tattoo deal is blasphemous. But if you're gonna trot out the
Barbados Home Guard Hi-steppers on stilts you gotta figure you aren't exactly
playing with the full deck....military tattoowise anyway. And the token
American band was mediocre at best...some junior college...but they tried
hard.

8/7....up at dark thirty....catch the Flying Scotsman (140 MPH or so) to
London.
Change terminals in London and catch the Eurostar for Paris. Told son-in-law
I wasn't all that positive about the notion of ridin' 350 MPH on a French
train. He says: relax, all the engineers are German. With that news one can
relax and enjoy the great French cooking.....and the wine. Shoot, those guys
serve vintage stuff on the train of all places. I guess going first class
oughta get you something in addition to broke. Into Paris Nord, eat dinner
at sidewalk cafe, crash, up in the morning to catch train to....

8/8....Dusseldorf....met by my daughter's German "parents" from exchange
student days. They live in a little Hansel and Gretel village called
"Kettwig an der Ruhr".

8/9 explored Kettwig an der Ruhr and "Papa's" biz.....milling prototypes and
making sand mold castings for Mercedes-Benz steering and brake system parts.
Ten employees, nine over 60. Other one is 40 and they had to have him to
talk to Mercedes-Benz on the computer.

8/10 to Cologne or Koln as the Germans call it except I got no umlaut on this
keyboard. Saw Koln Cathedral... GAR-LEEE! Nothing even in the same league
with it except Westminster and Westminster qualfies with more famous folks
buried there. Anyway, the thing just goes all the way to the sky and doesn't
seem to ever stop going up.

8/11 say adeiu to kids (actually weidersehn as my German is getting halfway
passable even if my daughter does say I make most of it up)....driven back to
Dusseldorf to take train to Paris. Kids take plane to Houston.

Picked up at Paris Nord midday by father of our "adopted" French son.....half
the folks leave Paris in August for holiday anyway and on this day the other
half had driven to Normandy to see the eclipse......so the place was flat
empty. Got a great driving tour.

Jean had elected to drop Paris off the tour itinerary (since she has done it
several times anyway and the Louvre holds few charms for me)....besides she
made that election when she got wind that in Antwerp was the biggest Van Dyke
show in the world celebrating his 400th birthday so Paris doesn't make the
cut...... other than for me to observe out the car window that it would take
you a lifetime to see all the stuff in that place that ought to be seen. On
to medieval village Honfleur for quick tour and to home in Normandy where the
hosts spend their Augusts.

8/12.....to the Caen Peace memorial.....awesome....maybe 10-12 miles from
Omaha beach which we also drive over and see. French host puts out a lobster
dinner that brings tears to the eyes. And I'll never believe that "over
crowded Europe" line again....all they would have to do is move out few cows
and they would have room for another 200 million or so people in Normandy
alone. I don't know who is measuring those population densities over there
but he or she is not leveling with us.

8/13....Caen to Paris to Antwerp.....Antwerpen as they call it. Arrive at
the tourist info office looking like lost sheep. Taken in tow by a wonderful
tourist office guy, an "Antwerpian" as I suppose they call them. Got plopped
into a 5 star hotel 3 nights for $250 buckeroos TOTAL and that includes
breakfast. Antwerp and its people, Jean and I think, are the best kept
secret in Europe. Sidewalk cafes everywhere. Medieval buildings outnumber
the modern ones. They solve the problem of 36,000 Belgian francs to the
dollar by just doing business in dollars and speaking English. They just
love you just about to death....strangers stop you on the street to ask if
they can help you when you don't even look lost. Broke the code later....if
you're 6' 5" you gotta be an American. That's how they figured it out.
Quasi-adopted French son confirms...only four French and/or Belgian guys in
whole world over 6 feet.

Antwerpians will all point out something obscure that absorbs one for an hour
at least. Got 150 kinds of beer made in Belgium alone. I think I could
learn to live with that "pint before lunch" routine (but I learned that in
Merry Olde England....didn't have to go all the way to Belgium to learn
that). I did catch grief from the English that I wasn't man enough to handle
that "bitter" stuff and had to drink the sissy lager. I say: gimmie a break
guys, I just learned to drink a whole pint in daylight a week ago. I need
practice.

8/14....the Van Dyck deal is in two places.....first day we go to Reuben's
studio for
sketches, watercolors, and landscapes.....blew my mind cause I thought I
disliked Van Dyck with all the theatrics and knocking out big bucks "big art"
one-per-week of rich folks in London frolicking with cherubs in the heavens.
Very pleasant surprise. Sketches and drawings are great but not well
known.....if known at all as few prints have been made.

8/15....Next day comes the real stuff as described above at the official
Antwerpen Museum. This was the Van Dyck I know and avoid. I took a snooze
on a park bench (only derelict in the whole town) while Jean hypervenilated
over the stuff in the museum.

8/16....train to Calais....ferry to Dover....saw nairy a "blue bird over"
but the snow white cliffs are everything they are cracked up to be and more
too. Beautiful beyond description. And they come into view over a period of
about 45 minutes as you approach on the ferry. Gee whiz, nuthin like that in
Indianner, Elmo.

8/17....another sleeper about which I had been tipped off....Rye....little
rinky dink town that used to be a smuggling center in 1400's until the ocean
moved and left it 3 miles inland high and dry. Still a stunner. Only place
we actually bought some real art. A wonderful little town that played "burn
and re-build" with the French folks for few hundred years. Original
cobblestone steets and a bona fide artist's colony.

8/18....did Hasting in AM.....actually its "Battle"......its called Hastings
in history books I suppose because that was nearest town. Only bad weather
day of entire trip. Driving, cold rain. After only a momentary hesitation I
figured I didn't come 3M miles to say I'd been to the gift shop so I did the
circumference of the thing with camera, determination and a fistful of
Tylenol. Got some great shots (assuming I don't have water drops on the
lens). On in to London, actually Eltham, a suburb type city where we have
friends.

8/19......London. Another one that you have to block out a lifetime to see
all that's worth seeing. I opted for Wesminster Abbey (stupendous) and Jean
opted for British Museum since she wanted to see Elgin marbles that Mr. Elgin
got off the roof of the Parthenon a hundred years or so ago. Did one in the
AM, the other in the PM. Another tragedy, short shrifting London just as we
did Paris.

8/20.....Greenwich Observatory in London.......another sleeper....got hooked
because host's son works there. Really neat. Jean did Eltham Palace tour in
afternoon while I napped.

8/21.....we're outa there, spend the night in Winchester and zoom.

Trip of a lifetime. Didn't miss a train. Didn't meet anybody that was
anything less than the nicest people one would ever want to see. Great
food....and don't believe that line about bad English food, its not so. The
real stinkers are in Scotland where SOME eat "all of the parts of the
beastie"...but those special "delights" are only for show biz and are easily
avoided in favor of the real stuff: local lobster, smoked salmon, and black
Angus beef coming and going.

It was indeed wonderful. I think I'm getting to like this retirement better
and better.
And happy to be home.

Maynard		09/13/1999 11:03:33
Re: Itinerary in EuropeMaynard, I thoroughly enjoyed your travel summary. Glad you failed to
keep it brief! (Now get back to work finding my ancestors.)

Best regards,
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Re: helloGood to hear from you again. Something to think about. Thanks.

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09/15/1999 3:34:18
Early VA Religious Petitions onlineCharles NealThe following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and
is copyright 1999 by Richard W. Eastman. It is
re-published here with the permission of the author.
============================================================
- Early Virginia Religious Petitions Online

Betty Clay sent an e-mail this week that said, "Dick, this is a neat
site!!! I found a four-page petition here written by one of Richard's
ancestors, Rev. Charles Clay, Rector of St. Ann's Parish during, before,
and after the Revolutionary War. It was in his own handwriting, signed,
and I was able to print it from the Website, or to save it for printing at
my leisure. They offer two qualities of image, too."

I've known Betty long enough to realize that the use of three exclamation
marks means that she rates the site highly. I looked
for myself and found that, indeed, this is a great site. "Early Virginia
Religious Petitions" is a Collaborative Project by The
Library of Congress and The Library of Virginia.

Quoting from the site:

Early Virginia Religious Petitions presents images of 423 petitions
submitted to the Virginia legislature between 1774
and 1802 from more than eighty counties and cities. Drawn from the
Library of Virginia's Legislative Petitions collection,
the petitions concern such topics as the historic debate over the
separation of church and state championed by James Madison
and Thomas Jefferson, the rights of dissenters such as Quakers and
Baptists, the sale and division of property in the
established church, and the dissolution of unpopular vestries. The
collection provides searchable access to the petitions'
places of origin and a brief summary of each petition's contents, as
well as summaries of an additional seventy-four
petitions that are no longer extant. The collection complements the
Library of Congress exhibition Religion and
the Founding of the American Republic and is a collaborative venture
between the Library of Congress and the Library of
Virginia.

The mission of the Library of Congress is to make its resources
available and useful to Congress and the American
people and to sustain and preserve a universal collection of knowledge
and creativity for future generations. The goal of
the Library's National Digital Library Program is to offer broad public
access to a wide range of historical and cultural
documents as a contribution to education and lifelong learning. Digital
collections from other institutions
complement and enhance the Library's own resources.

The Library of Congress presents these documents as part of the record
of the past. These primary historical documents
reflect the attitudes, perspectives, and beliefs of different times.
The Library of Congress and the Library of Virginia do
not endorse the views expressed in these collections, which may contain
materials offensive to some readers.

Most of the documents are from the period between the beginnings of the
Revolutionary War until shortly before 1800.
During this period Virginia was struggling with the issue of religious
freedom and toleration.

To look at the Early Virginia Religious Petitions Online, go to
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml/repehome.html
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Re: Poythress List ArchivesThe rootsweb archives may be accessed at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Just plug in Poythress and follow the bouncing ball from there.

Best,

Maynard


[John M. Poythess]

09/20/1999 4:00:26
Library of Virginia>From Newsletter July/August 1999:

"WEB SITE MOVES

The Library of Virginia is pleased to announce the redesign of its Web site
and the site's new address a .

The new design helps users get information quickly and easily and offers a
clearer picture of the extent of the collections, programs and services of
the Library of Virginia.

The Web site includes both an "index" and "search this site" option. Major
categories allow users to access information about: the Library, the
collections, services for state agencies and state and local government, the
Digital Library Program, services for public libraries and other libraries,
services for K-12 teachers and services for the public."


Maynard		09/20/1999 5:04:52
Library of Virginia New Records>From July/August 1999 Newsletter:

"CONFEDERATE PENSION ROLLS AVAILABLE ON LINE

A new online resource for researchers on the Library of Virginia's Web site
is the Confederate Pension Rolls, Veterans and Widows searchable database and
online documentation images, the newest resource of the Digital Library
Program. The database and images will be available September 1. Pension
acts were passed by the General Assembly in 1888, 1900, and between 1902 and
1934. The act of 1888 provided pensions to Confederate soldiers, sailors and
marines disabled in action and to the widows of those killed in action.
Later acts broadened the coverage to include all veterans, their widows and
their unmarried or widowed daughters.

Pension applications filed by sisters and daughters are not indexed. This
collection consists of approved pension applications and amended applications
filed by resident
Virginia Confederate veterans and their widows. The applications contain
statements pertaining to the service record of the applicants and may include
medical evaluations, information about the income and property of veterans or
their widows, and, in the case of widows, the date and place of marriages.

The new database is a searchable index to the applications. Each database
entry is searchable by name of applicant, status of applicant (veteran or
widow), date of pension act and Virginia city or county. In addition, each
entry contains links to the digitalized images of the actual applications and
accompanying material.

There are more than 46,000 entries in the database, linked to more than
220,000 application page images, digitalized from microfilm. To access the
data base, go to the Library's Web site at www.lva.lib.va.us and click on
"Digital Library Program", then go to "Military History", which has a link to
the data base.

submitted by Elizabeth Roderick,
Collection Management Services".


Maynard		09/20/1999 5:30:08
Poythress List Archivesjean spilleCould some of you wonderful cousins (I am buttering you up!) help Lucky Poythress access the Poythress List Archives...? I cannot remember how.
His email is horacep8@cmc.net.

By the by, I have formally gone back to Poythress after 32 years of being Spille. This is one hard name for people to wrap their tongues around!!!!!!!!!! I had forgotten. I get Pottress, POIthress, porches, and, my all time favorite, Ms. Whatchamacallit.

Jean		09/20/1999 6:10:30
Status?Bud, how you doing??

Maynard

09/20/1999 6:42:25
RE: Status?Diana DiamondGood question. Has anyone heard from Bud since he evacuated Wilmington NC?
I suspect his computer is under water, though I hope not.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:42 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Status?
>
>
> Bud, how you doing??
>
> Maynard
>		09/21/1999 3:27:10
Poythress Ancestrybruce millerI am trying to locate information about my gg Grandmother Nancy Ann Poythress Hammack. She married Willoughby Hamack 15 Dec. 1831 in Harris County Georgia. This is the first record we have of her. I believe she may have had a sister Elizabeth because there is a marriage for Elizabeth Poythress to James Garrett Jr. who was the step brother of Willoughby. Willoughby's widowed mother married James Garrett Sr in 1825. Marriage date for Elizabeth Poythress and James Garrett Jr is 25 Mar 1832. Transcribed records of the marriages list the females surname as Partrip, but on viewing the original records and photocopies it shows that the "p" is not a "p" at the end of the name, but the old style "ss".
Willoughby's family moved to Alabama in DeKalb Co. shortly after the marriages. James Garrett and Elizabeth were in Cherokee County, Alabama at the 1850 census with the following information: James Garrett age 41 b.S.C; Elizabeth, age 34 b. in GA.; (6 children listed) Rebecca age 15, b. Ga.; Edmund age 13, b. Ga.; James age 11, b. Ga.; Mary age 9, b. AL.; Lucinda, age 7, b.Al; and William, age 5, b in AL. My. ggGrandmother, Nancy Ann Poythress Hammack was born in 1812 so she was about 4 years older than Elizabeth. Can anyone fit my ancestors in with their known line or know where or how they fit in, please let me receive your e-mail as soon as possible. I have been looking for years. e-mail orvus@wvi.com
Thanks so much...		09/21/1999 11:24:06
Re: Status?I talked to Bud when the leading edge of all the rain was hitting Wilmington
but before Floyd actually got there to hit the place a glancing blow.

That was about 11 AM. He said they had already had 10 inches of rain since
about 7 that AM, his daughter, son-in-law, and their boys had already left
for Bud's sister's
home in Charlotte and that he was packing up his wife (and I think her
"nurse") and they were leaving just then for Charlotte also.

My guess is that he and his are personally safe but unless he has built on a
mountain or something he has likely got some stuff under water in Wilmington
and I would also guess he's off the air.

Maynard		09/21/1999 12:33:40
Burrell Green m. Ann Poythressjb.....doesn't look like I'm going to be much help on this one other than
confirming the marriage of Burrell Green to Ann Poythress who appears to be
either the daughter of Francis Poythress (2) or the granddaughter of Francis
Poythress (1) and probably both.

All of my material says that Ann came out of the Francis line (see R. Bolling
Batte
Chart of the Poythress Family in America). And since it appears that her
mother's name was Rebecca, that would seem to place her as a daughter of
Francis (1), not a granddaughter.

I think I'd be inclined to work the Batte index cards and the Swem index
looking for a hook from Burrell (Jr.) to Lucy Magnum and/or from Benjamin
Green to Phoebe Bell....if there is one you are likely to find it in one of
these two places.

That Francis line is so difficult to try to piece together that I can't
seriously get my arms around the ones with the Poythress surnames, let alone
extensions into other families. Given all that grief I haven't spent any
great effort trying to run down even the Poythresses in that line, let alone
spouses, unless they just fell in my lap.

Perhaps if you rephrase your question and send it to the P. list, someone
else may have something on that line.

Sorry couldn't be of more help.

Below is a paste of my notes:
· Poythress, Ann m. Burrell Green (Marriages of some Virginia Residents
1607-1800,
Dorothy Ford Wulfeck, GPC, Baltimore.
· Ann Green as daughter of Francis(2) Poythress…..discussed at
considerable length in
Wm. & Mary Qtrly., Vol. 4, pp. 172-179
· Swem Index…..listing of 11 Anne Poythresses….all spelled with "e" on the
end.
· Batte index cards….on Library of Virginia web page…..shows Ann m.
Burrell Green
and then says "see Ann Green". There are 127 Green cards and they load
very slowly
……I got to card # 36 and found no other Ann…suggest you try the Green
cards starting
from scratch. I found no Ann nor Burrell. Not finding a Burrell or a
Benjamin
cut me off from finding potential spouses Lucy Magnum or Pheobe Bell.
I did not search the Batte index cards nor the Swem index for the surnames
Magnum or Bell.....that might turn up something.



Maynard

P. S. if you need clarification on those sources "Batte Cards" and "Swem
Index" just ask and I'll put it up on the board.		09/23/1999 4:41:08
Re: Early VA Religious Petitions onlineBarbara, this is a great new resource. Interesting names found among
signers on Brunswick petition #3 "Opposed to emancipation of slaves", I
find the following:
-Harrison Barner
-Robert Hicks
-Harrison Hicks
-James Hicks
-George Hicks
-Isaac Hicks
-Isaac Moseley
-John Moseley
-Thomas Moseley
-Joshua Prestone (yours?)
A quick scan of Mecklenburg and Brunswick reveal other names potentially
allied to Poythress (e.g. David Taylor), as well as some of my known
ancestors on other lines (e.g. William Drumright, Ephraim Andrews). I
look forward to plowing through Brunswick, Lunenburg and Mecklenburg in
detail. Thanks for sharing.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Early VA Religious Petitions onlineCarol A. MorrisonLyn,

You would put my Harrison Barner on the top of the list .

Well, at least some of my other ancestors were some of the first to
emancipate their slaves.

Carol

llbaird@juno.com wrote:

> Barbara, this is a great new resource. Interesting names found among
> signers on Brunswick petition #3 "Opposed to emancipation of slaves", I
> find the following:
> -Harrison Barner
> -Robert Hicks
> -Harrison Hicks
> -James Hicks
> -George Hicks
> -Isaac Hicks
> -Isaac Moseley
> -John Moseley
> -Thomas Moseley
> -Joshua Prestone (yours?)
> A quick scan of Mecklenburg and Brunswick reveal other names potentially
> allied to Poythress (e.g. David Taylor), as well as some of my known
> ancestors on other lines (e.g. William Drumright, Ephraim Andrews). I
> look forward to plowing through Brunswick, Lunenburg and Mecklenburg in
> detail. Thanks for sharing.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
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W. L. Poythress Pension ApplicationMaynard, the new LVA digital collection of pension applications is an
interesting resource. Thanks for sharing. I believe the first Poythress
listed is William Lewis Poythress, grandson of our Lewis Poythress of
Mecklenburg Co., Va. Here's what I can glean from the image:

Pension Application of W. L. Poythress made 21 September 1909
currently resident of Bracey, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
age 65 years
born Mecklenburg Co., Va.
lived in Mecklenburg Co. "all my life"
farmer for 44 years
served in Co. D., 44 Virginia [Infantry] Battalion, Captain W. E. Hinton,
Major P. V. Batte (?), Wise Brigade
enlisted 1863 in Petersburg, Va.
discharged 9 April 1865, Appomattox
attending physicians A. J. Brodnax and G. B. Smith
application taken by R. G. Rideout, Justice of the Peace
witnessed by E. A. Bowen and W. T. Bracey
affidavit of comrade R. D. Pearson of Blacks Ridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
dated 6 November 1909
note of inquiry of status, apparently in hand of W. L. Poythress, dated
20 June 1910

The age tracks to within one year of what we know. The location fits the
census records of him.

Some of you may recall a conversation we had in 1998 (see BPN message of
11 Jul and my response of 27 Jul) regarding the possibility that a
confederate soldier William F. Poythress was actually William L.
Poythress. This information tends to discredit that theory in that the
military organization and date and place of enlistment do not agree with
that of the cited William F. Poythress. However, on another level the
above pension application is our first evidence of the war service of
William L. Poythress. So we might leave open the possibility of
compounded recording errors, at least until more evidence emerges.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: W. L. Poythress Pension ApplicationWillow Bend BooksIt is possible that the National Archives does not contain complete
information on the men of the 44th Infantry Battalion of Infantry (also
known as the Petersburg City Battalion). This would explain why we have not
seen a card fo him before. This battalion was organized 3 November 1863 with
three companies, A, B, and C, enlisted for the war. Companies D and E were
subsequently organized. The battalion was placed in the Reserve Forces of
Virginia. Company D was organized on 7 February 1864. Their Major was Peter
Vernon Batte, 1863-64 captured June 15th (the day 3,000 Confederates held
off 16,000 Yankees thereby prolonging the war a good bit outside of
Petersburg). Captain Thomas Wiley Branch (formally Co. B commander) was
commanding in 1864 and Captain Anson B. Morrison (formally Co. C commander)
was commanding in 1865. [Sources: Lee A. Wallace, Jr., A Guide to Virginia
Military Organizations, 1861-1865; E. B. Long, The Civil War Day by Day, An
Almanac, 1861-1865; and Military Service Records, A Select Catalog of
National Archives Microfilm Publications.
-----Original Message-----
From: llbaird@juno.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: W. L. Poythress Pension Application


>Maynard, the new LVA digital collection of pension applications is an
>interesting resource. Thanks for sharing. I believe the first Poythress
>listed is William Lewis Poythress, grandson of our Lewis Poythress of
>Mecklenburg Co., Va. Here's what I can glean from the image:
>
>Pension Application of W. L. Poythress made 21 September 1909
>currently resident of Bracey, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>age 65 years
>born Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>lived in Mecklenburg Co. "all my life"
>farmer for 44 years
>served in Co. D., 44 Virginia [Infantry] Battalion, Captain W. E. Hinton,
>Major P. V. Batte (?), Wise Brigade
>enlisted 1863 in Petersburg, Va.
>discharged 9 April 1865, Appomattox
>attending physicians A. J. Brodnax and G. B. Smith
>application taken by R. G. Rideout, Justice of the Peace
>witnessed by E. A. Bowen and W. T. Bracey
>affidavit of comrade R. D. Pearson of Blacks Ridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>dated 6 November 1909
>note of inquiry of status, apparently in hand of W. L. Poythress, dated
>20 June 1910
>
>The age tracks to within one year of what we know. The location fits the
>census records of him.
>
>Some of you may recall a conversation we had in 1998 (see BPN message of
>11 Jul and my response of 27 Jul) regarding the possibility that a
>confederate soldier William F. Poythress was actually William L.
>Poythress. This information tends to discredit that theory in that the
>military organization and date and place of enlistment do not agree with
>that of the cited William F. Poythress. However, on another level the
>above pension application is our first evidence of the war service of
>William L. Poythress. So we might leave open the possibility of
>compounded recording errors, at least until more evidence emerges.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
>
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>		09/30/1999 1:38:13
Re: W. L. Poythress Pension ApplicationWillow Bend BooksIn reading my own post I note that I failed to identify me. Pretty rude
actually. Sorry.

Craig R. Scott

Still searching for the parents of Benjamin Poythress, a huckster of
Petersburg, Va. who died after the Civil War and is buried in Blanford.

-----Original Message-----
From: llbaird@juno.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: W. L. Poythress Pension Application


>Maynard, the new LVA digital collection of pension applications is an
>interesting resource. Thanks for sharing. I believe the first Poythress
>listed is William Lewis Poythress, grandson of our Lewis Poythress of
>Mecklenburg Co., Va. Here's what I can glean from the image:
>
>Pension Application of W. L. Poythress made 21 September 1909
>currently resident of Bracey, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>age 65 years
>born Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>lived in Mecklenburg Co. "all my life"
>farmer for 44 years
>served in Co. D., 44 Virginia [Infantry] Battalion, Captain W. E. Hinton,
>Major P. V. Batte (?), Wise Brigade
>enlisted 1863 in Petersburg, Va.
>discharged 9 April 1865, Appomattox
>attending physicians A. J. Brodnax and G. B. Smith
>application taken by R. G. Rideout, Justice of the Peace
>witnessed by E. A. Bowen and W. T. Bracey
>affidavit of comrade R. D. Pearson of Blacks Ridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
>dated 6 November 1909
>note of inquiry of status, apparently in hand of W. L. Poythress, dated
>20 June 1910
>
>The age tracks to within one year of what we know. The location fits the
>census records of him.
>
>Some of you may recall a conversation we had in 1998 (see BPN message of
>11 Jul and my response of 27 Jul) regarding the possibility that a
>confederate soldier William F. Poythress was actually William L.
>Poythress. This information tends to discredit that theory in that the
>military organization and date and place of enlistment do not agree with
>that of the cited William F. Poythress. However, on another level the
>above pension application is our first evidence of the war service of
>William L. Poythress. So we might leave open the possibility of
>compounded recording errors, at least until more evidence emerges.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
>
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Re: Euphemia "Effie" ScrivenHi, Victoria, nice to hear from you again. If there is a "Scriven" name in
the Poythress family I'm not aware of it.

I think what you may be thinking about is Screven County (often in early
years referred to as "Scriven") which was the Georgia county that ultimately
probably had more Poythress families than any other county.

I'll be happy to stand corrected if someone finds a "Scriven" and my memory
has failed me.

Maynard

09/30/1999 5:14:52
W. L. Poythress Pension ApplicationCharles NealDear Lyn & everyone,

For refreshing our recollections regarding the previous messages on this
Confederate soldier and the other Wm Poythress who apparently was also a
Confederate, it SURE would help if you could give the "subject line" of the
2 messages you mentioned. I have just searched thru the subject lines of
about 750 messages from our list in 1998 in the RootsWeb archived messages,
hunting for the 2 messages you mentioned. I could not find the messages
that way, and no longer have them on my computer. Unfortunately, RootsWeb
apparently does not provide any way to search for messages by the specific
"date" of the message. And unfortunately the "threaded list" archives does
not go back that far, apparently since that option was begun more recently.
Thus I have no way to see what you & I said in July 1998 on this subject
without reading thru too many messages in the archives.

Also, for ALL of us Listers, when we write a List message in which we give
feedback about a great site on the Internet, it would sure help others who
maybe haven't gotten a Round Tuit and visited the site yet, if the
"address" of the site could be re-stated in the feedback message.

In case anyone needs the Confederate Pension Application site that Lyn's
message (captioned as this one) addressed, and that Maynard had initially
told us about, from a news release from the Library of Virginia, here is a
copied paragraph from his message:

"There are more than 46,000 entries in the database, linked to more than
220,000 application page images, digitalized from microfilm. To access the
data base, go to the Library's Web site at
www.lva.lib.va.us
and click on "Digital Library Program", then go to "Military History",
which has a link to the data base."

Happy hunting!
BPN		09/30/1999 5:48:56
Early VA Religious Petitions onlineCharles NealThis site, which is located at:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml/repehome.html
indeed is great. I appreciate Lyn having checked it out, and finding my
Joshua Preston who was the Brunswick Co, VA father-in-law of James E.
Poythress.

Following Lyn's encouragement, I spent about 3 hrs at the site today,
seeing how many petitions they have posted for a number of counties. Since
they are not transcribed, they are not indexed, so to find names of
interest it involves pulling up the images of the various petitions &
scanning them.

I certainly haven't looked at all the petitions from all the counties of
our interest, in hunting for Poythress folks, however I found one to
report, plus 2 possibles:

In Dinwiddie County [which has 5 petitions online], the Oct. 31, 1786
petition from those "opposed to repeal of incorporation act" has 11 images
to that petition. Page 2 is the sheet that gives the verbage of their
petition. Page 3 is the beginning of the many names, all appearing to be
original signatures by the way. Page 5, about haflway down the middle
column of names, bears the signature of "John Poythress."

In Mecklenburg County [which has 8 petitions online], the Oct. 26, 1785
petition from those "in favor of bill to provide teachers of Christian
Religion" has 4 images to that petition. Page 1 has the verbage & some of
the names. Page 2 has names. Page 3 has names, the bottom 2 of which
appear to me to be possibles: "William Pettus" and "Thomas Pettus Jr."

I also happened to notice a "James Baird" signed the one and only petition
that is online for Petersburg Town, dated Nov. 15, 1790. This was a
petition of "Members of Protestant Episcopal Church for a lottery to raise
funds with which to complete church."

The variety of subjects of these petitions was fascinating, as that
Petersburg indicates.

There are the following number of petitions online for these
counties/towns. These counties are ones in which I have known a Poythress
to have cropped up in some record or another thru the years I've been
looking for them. (I haven't even checked all the other counties to see
how many petitions are online for them.)

Amelia - 20
Brunswick - 4
Charles City - 1
Chesterfield - 12
Dinwiddie - 5
Halifax - 19
Isle of Wight - 5
Lunenburg - 11
Mecklenburg - 8
Nottoway - 5
Petersburg Town - 1
Prince George - 5
Richmond - 9 [This may or may not really be the city of Richmond. When the
list of 9 petitions is pulled up for "Richmond" the list says "Richmond
County" YET there is a separate listing for Richmond County, which has 8
listed for it]
Southampton - 7
Surry - 6
Sussex - 1

ALSO there are 49 more petitions listed under "MISCELLANEOUS." I haven't
looked at any of those, but I would guess that they would be wider than
just a few counties in their coverage, or perhaps some of them are specific
petitions of one person.

Happy Hunting
BPN		09/30/1999 5:48:59
American Memory Libr of Congress siteCharles NealFor those of you who haven't yet seen it, there is a great online resource
of scanned documents located at:

http://memory.loc.gov/

You can do a search there, by surname or other keyword, of MANY collections
at once, though not all of the collections are indexed ones. (For example,
one of the MANY collections linked to there, is the Early VA Religious
Petitions one previously mentioned on the List. It is not indexed.)

I did a search for Poythress, spelled that way, and found it appears twice.
(One of the 2 appears to be the Journal index page for the other one.)
The name found is Peter Poythress, on p.346 of the "Journals of the
Continental Congress 1774-1789" for the date of Friday, Nov. 10, 1775. His
name appears as one of the men "empowered to agree with the proprietors of
the public warehouses" in the counties of Dinwiddie, Chesterfield, and
Henrico, in trying to assemble a considerable quantity of "nitre," or "salt
petre" for the war effort.

The site had lots of other interesting-sounding collections besides the
Journals of the Contin Congress. I haven't looked at the others, but
suspect that a number of them may be, like the religious petitions site,
unindexed.

BPN		09/30/1999 5:49:01
RootsWeb's SSDICharles NealThe following 2 articles valuable help using RootsWeb's Social Security
Death Index, are recopied here from this week's issue of the "RootsWeb
Review," Vol. 2, No. 39. Thought those of you who don't subscribe to
RootsWeb Review might appreciate seeing them.
BPN

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Less than a month later, I received the photocopy. It confirmed his
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message area to: .		09/30/1999 6:09:02
Re: W. L. Poythress Pension ApplicationHey, Lyn, nice job of picking that one up, I hadn't had a chance to look over
the list.
I agree with you.....he looks like the grandson of Lewis to me.

Maynard

09/30/1999 6:17:33
Euphemia "Effie" ScrivenVictoria L. GermanHello all,
I just had mail from someone researching an Euphemia "Effie" Scriven.She
married an Alexander Jordan.I seem to remember that some of the
Poythress families have Scriven's in them.Is that correct?Does anyone
have Effie in their families?
Victoria

09/30/1999 6:21:42
The American Colonist's LibraryHere is a site worth a few minutes of scanning and just to know its there:

http://www.universitylake.org/primarysources.html

Official title is: "The American Colonist's Library--Primary Source
Documents Pertaining to Early American History.

Good news: many interesting documents, actual transcripts of Salem
witchcraft trials brought to us by those lovely folk in New England, plus a
Poythress is on one of the documents: a petition of 89 members of House of
Burgesses, Peter P. being one of the signitaries. I think most of us have
the "record" but I'm not sure if we have the "text" of the petition which I
found interesting.

Bad news: New England data vs. all other in a ratio of about 30 to 1.
Second, the site preparer didn't have much of a "discriminate function" and
threw in many documents not really pertinent to the purpose as stated by the
title.

Still, worth a few minutes of scanning if you're killing time.

Maynard		09/30/1999 7:16:23
William D. PoythressHelp.....you all gave the "master page" in LVA to get to those CSA pension
papers and posted the individual papers plus supplementary information on W.
L. Poythress.

I went to the same master page list and saw William D. Poythress listed right
under "W. L.".....but nobody found and/or published records for William D.
Poythress...I looked under all the "sub-lists" and couldn't find a thing.

I would hazard a guess that it's very likely this William D. Poythress is the
same one as:

Subj: W. D. Poythress
Date: 3/25/99 4:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: willowbend@mediasoft.net (Craig R. Scott)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Found in Blandford Cemetery, Petersburg

William D. Poythress
Born 11 July 1834
Died 29 January 1919

Beloved Brother & Uncle


His obituary in the Petersburg "Daily Index Appeal" 31 January 1919 read:

Funeral of W. D. Poythress

The funeral services of William Demoble Poyhress (sic), who died early
yesterday morning at his home, 415 Mistletoe street will be held this
morning at 11 o'clock from the grave at Blandford Cemetery.

Mr. Poythress was one of the oldest and most widely known citizens of
Petersburg, as he was born and spent all of his life here. He was the
great-great grandson of Col. William Posthress, a descendant of the first
settlers of Petersburg.

Mr. Poythress is survived by an adopted daughter, Miss Annie I Taylor and
one adopted sister, Miss Lena V. Hetney, both of this city.


The Blandford Cemetery entry for this burial says:

William D. Poythress
parentage: Eliz. Dewat
died 29 January 1919
Appoplexy
age 83 - 6- 18
b. City


Anybody know this man?

Craig

Has anybody gotten to William D. Poythress' pension records off that master
page and if so, would you either post the text or tell how you got to the
records? I fiddled with the thing an hour and couldn't seem to crack it open.

Thanks,

Maynard		10/02/1999 9:41:13
Hurricane Floyd VictimsSarah PoythressTo List,

This was in "The News & Observer" newspaper today:

Remembering The Victims
The News & Observer plans to publish the stories of each of Floyd's
victims. If you have any information about the following people, please call
Thris Wilson at
(919)829-8927.

Carrie Poythress, 47, of Gastonia, was reported missing in Halifax
County and later found dead near Fishing Creek at the Nash County line.
Coroners said she drowned Sept. 17.

This is the only name I copied. Does anyone know her?

Sarah		10/03/1999 5:34:16
Hurricane Floyd VictimsSarah PoythressPatti,

The News & Observer is the Raleigh, NC (Wake County) news paper.

Sarah

10/04/1999 8:57:18
[GREEN-L] Burwell GREEN/Ann POYTHRESS (Surry Co. VA 1700) (fwd)Randy Jones---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:49:52 EDT
From: GBH333@aol.com
To: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [GREEN-L] Burwell GREEN/Ann POYTHRESS (Surry Co. VA 1700)

Searching for the children of Burwell GREEN (b.1670) and Ann POYTHRESS of
Surry Co. VA. Burwell GREEN died in 1742.

Thank you.

Byron HILL
GBH333@aol.com		10/08/1999 7:26:56
Burwell GREEN/Ann POYTHRESS (Surry Co. VA 1700)Searching for the children of Burwell GREEN (b.1670) and Ann POYTHRESS of
Surry Co. VA. Burwell GREEN died in 1742.

Thank you.

Byron HILL
GBH333@aol.com		10/08/1999 12:49:52
W. L. Poythress & 44th Infantry BattalionCraig Scott, thanks so much for sharing the history of W. L. Poythress'
unit, the 44th Infantry Battalion. This provides interesting context. A
further question for you: This man's father, Thomas M. Poythress, was
also a confederate veteran. TMP was member of Co. D, 2nd Va. Arty.
Regt., 22 Bttn., Capt. James T. Alexander. Would you happen to have
information on this unit and might there have been a connection between
the father's unit and the son's unit?

And great to hear from you.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com		10/12/1999 6:36:26
Re: Early VA Religious Petitions onlineBarbara, thanks for the additional information. This is a rich resource,
but with so many names and all unindexed, it will be quite an effort to
fully explore it. I would encourage other listers to take a shot and
share what they find.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

10/12/1999 6:42:16
Re: Our Stanley Cousins - A CorrectionYes, this is one string. Another string will read something like "Found
a Poythren?" from the same time period. Thanks, Patti. -LPB

On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:51:23 -0700 pattited@smartlink.net writes:
>This the thing you and barbara are chasing?
>
>llbaird@juno.com wrote:
>
>> For any interested, that line number should have been line 1 rather
>than
>> line 24.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lyn P. Baird
>> llbaird@juno.com
>>
>> On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:49:40 -0500 llbaird@juno.com writes:
>> >The following is a census record of the household of Rebecca L.
>> >Poythress STANLEY, daughter of Lewis Poythress (ca. 1765 - 1846)
>of
>> >Mecklenburg Co., Va.:
>> >
>> >1860 Federal Census, Brunswick Co., Va., Meherrin Parish, Crichton
>> >Store P.O., 20 June 1860
>> >(roll 1337, page 616, line 24)
>> >Benjamin Stanley, 60, M, Farmer
>> >Rebecca L. Stanley, 52, F
>> >George M. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>> >Sarah F. Stanley, 23, F
>> >Benjamin L. Stanley, 21, M, Farmer
>> >John D. Stanley, 20, M
>> >Martha B. J. Stanley, 14, F
>> >James W. Stanley, 10, M
>> >All in the household were born in Virginia. (As I recall this is
>the
>> >only Stanley I found in the indices in the counties of Brunswick,
>> >Mecklenburg or Lunenburg in 1860.)
>> >
>> >Placing the above information with that of the 7/11/98 messages
>from
>> >Helene Pockrus, Craig Scott, and Barbara Neal regarding
>Confederate
>> >soldiers William F. Poythress and J. D. Stanley, consider the
>> >following possibility: This William F. Poythress is actually
>William
>> >Lewis Poythress, eldest son of Thomas M. Poythress and grandson of
>> >Lewis Poythress. (Guessing from census records, this William
>Lewis
>> >Poythress would have been about 16 years of age in 1862.) This J.
>D.
>> >Stanley is actually John D. Stanley, son of Benjamin Stanley and
>> >grandson of Lewis Poythress. J. D. enlists in Virginia May 1862
>then
>> >takes leave in January 1863. Later His younger cousin William
>> >substitutes for him, catching up with the company in South Carolina
>in
>> >October 1863. The record keepers get things all mixed up, putting
>one
>> >cousin's information on the card of the other. And the rest, as
>they
>> >say, is dis-history.
>> >
>> >Crichton (pronounced CRAY-ton) Store, later known as Temple's
>Store
>> >and now defunct, is in southwestern Brunswick Co., less than five
>> >miles east of Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., confirmed home of Thomas
>M.
>> >Poythress and probable home of Lewis Poythress.
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >Lyn P. Baird
>> >llbaird@juno.com		10/12/1999 6:48:14
Re: W. L. Poythress & 44th Infantry BattalionWillow Bend BooksThe 2nd Regiment of Virginia Artillery was organized in Feb. 1862 with ten
companies. A through K had previously served in the state service for one
year. The regiment was broken up about 23 May 1862, by operation of the
Conscription Act (whatever that means). Co. D, Captain James T. Alexander's
Co. enlisted in January1862 for one year and was reorganized in May 1862 as
Co. D, 22nd Batt. Va. Infantry (not to be confused with the 22nd Regiment
Va. Inf.) which consisted of six companies taken from the 2nd Va. Artillery.
The battalion was disbanded in December 1864 and the men distributed among
depleted Virginia organizations (according to Wallace). According to Sifakis
the unit did not carry out the disbanding order and eventually surrendered
at Appomattox. The Captain at this time was William Green Jackson.

The 22nd Battalion fought at:

Seven Days
Mechanicsville
Cedar Mountain
2nd Bull Run
Harpers Ferry
Antietam
Shepherdstown
Fredericksburg
Chancellorsville
Gettysburg
Bristoe Campaign
Mine Run Campaign
The Wilderness
Spotsylvania
North Anna
Cold Harbor
Petersburg [44th also]
Squirrel Level Road
Jones' Farm
Harmon Road
Sayler's Creek [44th also]
Appomattox [44th also]


However the only Poythress listed in Appomattox Paroles is William L.
Poythress, 3rd Sgt. 44th Battalion Inf, Co. D. (the son).


Craig





-----Original Message-----
From: llbaird@juno.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:35 PM
Subject: W. L. Poythress & 44th Infantry Battalion


>Craig Scott, thanks so much for sharing the history of W. L. Poythress'
>unit, the 44th Infantry Battalion. This provides interesting context. A
>further question for you: This man's father, Thomas M. Poythress, was
>also a confederate veteran. TMP was member of Co. D, 2nd Va. Arty.
>Regt., 22 Bttn., Capt. James T. Alexander. Would you happen to have
>information on this unit and might there have been a connection between
>the father's unit and the son's unit?
>
>And great to hear from you.
>
>Best regards,
>Lyn P. Baird
>llbaird@juno.com
>
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>		10/13/1999 6:59:21
Re: W. L. Poythress & 44th Infantry BattalionCraig, great summary and fast response! Thanks. This sheds light on the
father-son relationship during the war years. It would be such fun to
find correspondence between them during that period. Although TMP and
his son returned alive from the war, TMP lost a sister and a nephew to
disease - one day apart - while TMP was away fighting.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com


On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:59:21 -0400 "Willow Bend Books"
writes:
>The 2nd Regiment of Virginia Artillery was organized in Feb. 1862 with
>ten
>companies. A through K had previously served in the state service for
>one
>year. The regiment was broken up about 23 May 1862, by operation of
>the
>Conscription Act (whatever that means). Co. D, Captain James T.
>Alexander's
>Co. enlisted in January1862 for one year and was reorganized in May
>1862 as
>Co. D, 22nd Batt. Va. Infantry (not to be confused with the 22nd
>Regiment
>Va. Inf.) which consisted of six companies taken from the 2nd Va.
>Artillery.
>The battalion was disbanded in December 1864 and the men distributed
>among
>depleted Virginia organizations (according to Wallace). According to
>Sifakis
>the unit did not carry out the disbanding order and eventually
>surrendered
>at Appomattox. The Captain at this time was William Green Jackson.
>
>The 22nd Battalion fought at:
>
>Seven Days
>Mechanicsville
>Cedar Mountain
>2nd Bull Run
>Harpers Ferry
>Antietam
>Shepherdstown
>Fredericksburg
>Chancellorsville
>Gettysburg
>Bristoe Campaign
>Mine Run Campaign
>The Wilderness
>Spotsylvania
>North Anna
>Cold Harbor
>Petersburg [44th also]
>Squirrel Level Road
>Jones' Farm
>Harmon Road
>Sayler's Creek [44th also]
>Appomattox [44th also]
>
>
>However the only Poythress listed in Appomattox Paroles is William L.
>Poythress, 3rd Sgt. 44th Battalion Inf, Co. D. (the son).
>
>
>Craig		10/13/1999 7:44:33
wilson web sitehoracep8Hi all

About a month ago i was looking at the mail.Something flashed about a web
site for the poythress family in Wilson NC.Of course being fat dumb and
happy,i went on by.I was born in wilson and lived there for 17 years before
i went into the Navy for 22 years Did any one else see it if so would you
please send me the address.My e-mail address is horacep8@cmc.net

Thanks

Horace (Lucky) Poythress		10/16/1999 11:09:31
Re: StuffActually, the guy first peddling the "Welsh" origins thing was the genealogy
writer for Associated Press. He even had what he claimed was the derivation.
It went
Ap Ryderrich to Prytherrich to Poythress. And he had spotted a bunch of them
in Virginia and said that by late 1700's there were many families carrying
around the name (no surprise).

The clipping was dated 1963 and by the time I got it it was early nineties
and I tried in vain to contact the guy to check his source. I never could
find that rascal. I guess 30 years was easily long enough for the guy to
have died on us.

I'm not so much peddling the Welsh thing as I am origins in Hertfordshire,
Newent, etc. which are very close to Welsh border and any name
unpronounceable has a decent chance of being from an unpronounceable
language, i. e. Welsh. I'm also intrigued by that Poitres name for Normans
in Hertfordshire early on. Breton or Norman French (or for that matter, any
French) can get into some exotic pronunciations as well.

MP		10/19/1999 9:26:34
Henderson, NC - Poythress'Debbie FreemanI am resending this request. It didn't appear to go out the first time.
Anyway, I talked with a Mr. William Young Poythress (in Great Falls, MT)
yesterday who's family was from Henderson, NC. His father was Cyrus Thomas
Poythress and his grandfather was Joseph Poythress. Anybody know any thing
about his family? Anybody related to his family?
Just thought I'd ask. Also found some third cousins of mine. Maynard,
Robert L. from Fresno is the grandson of Robert L.- the brother to my Thomas
Boston. So that should be interesting to see what they have to say about
what they know about the family. Will be calling them back this weekend to
do some more talking.
That's it from CA today.
Thanks in advance for any info you might have on William's family.

Debbie

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10/19/1999 11:51:22
Re: Henderson, NC - Poythress'I have Joseph Poythress b. 1843 son of James W. Poythress and Sarah Crowder.
Other siblings of Joseph's were: Sterling, William, James, Luvel and Richard
all born between 1828 and 1845. My husband's line is descended from Richard.
Anything more we can find out about Joseph's family would be greatly
appreciated. Northampton County, NC seems to be the earliest home of most of
them.

BGP		10/20/1999 1:56:01
Poythress List ArchivesCharles NealReminder to everyone:

Be sure to "bookmark" both of these addresses, so you can find them again:

The archives for ALL messages is:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl (NOTE: at the end,
that is PL as in PLACE, NOT a number one)
At this one, you type in "Poythress" or any other name you are researching.

The "threaded list archives" is at:
http://archives.rootsweb.com/
This one apparently gives you the messages as they respond to other
messages on the same subject line. Which is a good reason to use GOOD
applicable subject lines on messages.

10/20/1999 3:56:06
Re: Henderson, NC - Poythress'Sarah PoythressThis Joseph Poythress is Joseph Sidney Poythress son of John Lewis
Poythress.
This is Dale's family. William Young "Bill" Poythress and Dale are first
cousins. I can't get any proof as to who his (JLP's) parents were. He was
born in Mecklenburg Co, VA 29 Aug 1829. This is on his obituary.

Sarah

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Henderson, NC - Poythress'


> I have Joseph Poythress b. 1843 son of James W. Poythress and Sarah
Crowder.
> Other siblings of Joseph's were: Sterling, William, James, Luvel and
Richard
> all born between 1828 and 1845. My husband's line is descended from
Richard.
> Anything more we can find out about Joseph's family would be greatly
> appreciated. Northampton County, NC seems to be the earliest home of most
of
> them.
>
> BGP
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>		10/20/1999 9:28:37
Obits from Online rootswebDebbie FreemanI found the following list the other day of all these Poythress. Has anyone
see these before? Does anyone know to whose families these people belong?
Just thought I'd pass along the info.

Entries matching "Poythress"
If no names are listed below here, then none were found.
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Type: Keyword Matches: 1-13 of 13 Breakdown: poythress[13]
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CLANCY, Margaret E (POYTHRESS)[SPEED]; 82; Stone Mountain GA; Atlanta
Journal; 1997-3-21; llblades
POYTHRESS, Craig Randall [BATTLE]; 44; Dayton OH; Dayton D-N; 1999-9-29;
mghearing
POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut
POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut
POYTHRESS, Larry Thomas; 46; Gloverville SC; Augusta Ch (GA); 1995-11-25;
lfoley
POYTHRESS, Mabel Louise (LYNCH); 77; Keysville VA; Richmond T-D; 1997-5-22;
wstyles
POYTHRESS, Mary (JORDAN); 69; South Hill VA; Richmond T-D; 1996-3-23;
wstyles
POYTHRESS, Roscoe Carrol; 66; Raleigh NC; Raleigh N & O; 1999-5-14; joelb
POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-19; llblades
POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-20; llblades
POYTHRESS, Tyzick Anthony; 3; Riverside CA>Medford OR; Mail Tribune;
1997-8-12; billeter
POYTHRESS, Velma Patricia (SMITH); 81; Savannah GA; Savannah N-P; 1997-2-17;
debbiel
RIVERS, Bertha (POYTHRESS); ; Newnan GA; Atlanta Journal; 1998-12-12; miltl

Thanks,
Debbie

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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com		10/24/1999 5:42:22
Obits from Rootsweb searchDebbie FreemanI found some entries from the Rootsweb obits and wondered if anyone knew to
whose families those listed belonged. Thought I would share it with you all.
Thanks,
Debbie



Entries matching "Poythress"
If no names are listed below here, then none were found.

Type: Keyword Matches: 1-13 of 13 Breakdown: poythress[13]

CLANCY, Margaret E (POYTHRESS)[SPEED]; 82; Stone Mountain GA; Atlanta
Journal; 1997-3-21; llblades

POYTHRESS, Craig Randall [BATTLE]; 44; Dayton OH; Dayton D-N; 1999-9-29;
mghearing


POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut


POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut


POYTHRESS, Larry Thomas; 46; Gloverville SC; Augusta Ch (GA); 1995-11-25;
lfoley


POYTHRESS, Mabel Louise (LYNCH); 77; Keysville VA; Richmond T-D; 1997-5-22;
wstyles


POYTHRESS, Mary (JORDAN); 69; South Hill VA; Richmond T-D; 1996-3-23;
wstyles


POYTHRESS, Roscoe Carrol; 66; Raleigh NC; Raleigh N & O; 1999-5-14; joelb


POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-19; llblades
POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-20; llblades
(born 8-7-1908 died 8-17-1998 last residence McDuffie, GA. S/S#
579-05-4057)


POYTHRESS, Tyzick Anthony; 3; Riverside CA>Medford OR; Mail Tribune;
1997-8-12; billeter


POYTHRESS, Velma Patricia (SMITH); 81; Savannah GA; Savannah N-P; 1997-2-17;
debbiel


RIVERS, Bertha (POYTHRESS); ; Newnan GA; Atlanta Journal; 1998-12-12; miltl


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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com		10/24/1999 9:57:03
Re: Obits from Online rootswebKENNETH POYTHRESSThe listing for Roscoe Carrol Poythress was my father. Passed away 5/13/99
We are all from Wilson, NC. Just wanted to reply. Enjoy seeing all the
talk about our name.

Kenneth Poythress
----- Original Message -----
From: Debbie Freeman
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 2:42 PM
Subject: Obits from Online rootsweb


> I found the following list the other day of all these Poythress. Has
anyone
> see these before? Does anyone know to whose families these people belong?
> Just thought I'd pass along the info.
>
> Entries matching "Poythress"
> If no names are listed below here, then none were found.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Type: Keyword Matches: 1-13 of 13 Breakdown: poythress[13]
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>
> CLANCY, Margaret E (POYTHRESS)[SPEED]; 82; Stone Mountain GA; Atlanta
> Journal; 1997-3-21; llblades
> POYTHRESS, Craig Randall [BATTLE]; 44; Dayton OH; Dayton D-N; 1999-9-29;
> mghearing
> POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut
> POYTHRESS, Frank; 90; Springfield MO; Springfield N-L; 1997-3-28; hkohut
> POYTHRESS, Larry Thomas; 46; Gloverville SC; Augusta Ch (GA); 1995-11-25;
> lfoley
> POYTHRESS, Mabel Louise (LYNCH); 77; Keysville VA; Richmond T-D;
1997-5-22;
> wstyles
> POYTHRESS, Mary (JORDAN); 69; South Hill VA; Richmond T-D; 1996-3-23;
> wstyles
> POYTHRESS, Roscoe Carrol; 66; Raleigh NC; Raleigh N & O; 1999-5-14; joelb
> POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-19; llblades
> POYTHRESS, Simpson; 90; VA>Warrenton GA; Augusta Ch; 1998-8-20; llblades
> POYTHRESS, Tyzick Anthony; 3; Riverside CA>Medford OR; Mail Tribune;
> 1997-8-12; billeter
> POYTHRESS, Velma Patricia (SMITH); 81; Savannah GA; Savannah N-P;
1997-2-17;
> debbiel
> RIVERS, Bertha (POYTHRESS); ; Newnan GA; Atlanta Journal; 1998-12-12;
miltl
>
> Thanks,
> Debbie
>
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>		10/24/1999 10:48:02
Veterans Day thoughtsVETERANS DAY SPEECH TO NON-VETERANS

Good morning to each of you on this Veterans Day 1999. I know of no
higher
honor that the privilege of being allowed to speak and pay tribute to
those
who served our great country in its highest calling . . . the national
defense of our country.

Veterans were called upon to serve, sacrifice and to stand in harms way,
if
need be, that our freedoms and our way of life might be preserved and
passed
down to those of you who will follow.

I am grateful to all who answered the call. Grateful to all who served,

grateful to those who stayed behind and provided the moral support, the
guns,
the supplies and most of all those of our families who suffered and
longed
for us while we were gone.

Over one million fellow Americans just like us have died for our
country.
Millions more were wounded, many permanently and maimed like US Senator
Max
Cleland of Georgia who lost both legs above the knee and one arm in Viet
Nam.
And millions more have been stamped, indelibly with snapshot memories,
moving
pictures, and pain which will live with them the rest of their lives.

Those of us still here today are the fortunate ones. Despite our
memories we
are privileged to partake in the memorializing and honoring the
sacrifices
our veterans made in the defense of God and Country.

What was The Veteran's calling? Simply stated, each felt that it was
his or
her turn to don the uniform of our country, carry the gun and support
the
time cherished principles of "duty, honor and country." Each of us knew
that
our forefathers had done just that for us. Now it was our turn for our
posterity.

And Veterans went and served their country and they sacrificed. We
stood in
harms way, at peace with God and whatever was our destiny. We left
behind
our families and loved ones with the uncertainty that we might never
again
see them.

To us, it was worth it. Our heritage as free Americans was worth it.
Our
country was worth it. Our individual liberty under God was worth it.
Our
American way of life was worth it. We dreamed of coming home to a
better
peace, getting on with our lives and living proudly with our memories of

having done a good job. We all felt successful in our accomplishment
because
we had come to know the values, sacrifices, and principles that our
forefathers had passed down to us:

GOD, COUNTRY, FAMILY AND SELF...and in that order.

For most of the decades of the 20th century, our nation and people
remembered
and honored those who wore the uniform. But came the Vietnam War and an

emotional crisis developed never before suffered by our nation. It set
off a
series of insane evens from which we have not yet begun to recover.
Furthermore the trends do not indicate we have learned any lesson from
foreign entangling alliances and interventions. In that respect our men
and
women serve today in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosko, Korea, Germany,
Japan,
Italy, Timor and hundreds of other fronts worldwide.

This path of dubious direction has been continued by a President who
will die
without ever having served his country. . . in the sense that Veterans
understand service. Many of his policies have reversed the priorities in
the
hearts and souls of people in this country. Many have been made
ashamed.
Today too often we see the most important goals being:

SELF FIRST, GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS NEXT, THEN JOB, THEN FAMILY AND
LAST
........ GOD AND COUNTRY.

What was previously at the top of our priority list as across the nation
now
seems to be at the bottom. And what was at the bottom now seems moved to
the
top. Self and Self and what's in it for me.

We have a society full of social workers and social activists but not a
social scientist with a strong voice anywhere to be found. No one takes
the
leadership to explain todayâ		11/02/1999 12:01:05
Epes Vol. II, $50Diana DiamondGot a letter today about Volume II of Descendants of Francis Epes I of
Virginia.

"Volume II contains approximately half of the known descendants in
generations 6, 7, 8 . Work is continuing on the completion of the account
of the other half of generations six, seven, and eight. They will be in
Volume III a few years down the road...
There are 3600 descendants in Volume II. The thorough Index contains more
than 100 pages guiding the reader to information about more than 12,000
names and places..."

It also says the total number of descendants over the past 400 years will
exceed half a million. Sounds low to me.

Questions by email to Judy Kidd at Checks to Society of
the Descendants of Francis Epes I, sent to Judy Kidd, 1570 Berkeley Ave.,
Petersburg VA 23805.

As I get the digest, I apologize if this info has been posted earlier.

Diana		11/03/1999 2:13:37
Fw: Just fo youwayne scruggs-----Original Message-----
From: Jacque Hopkins Wolski
To: CHOCTAW-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:30 PM
Subject: [CHOCTAW] Fw: just for you


>
>> >Subject: just for you
>> >
>> >
>> >TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS,
>> >HE LIVED ALL ALONE,
>> >IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF
>> >PLASTER AND STONE.
>> >
>> >I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY
>> >WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE,
>> >AND TO SEE JUST WHO
>> >IN THIS HOME DID LIVE.
>> >
>> >I LOOKED ALL ABOUT,
>> >A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE,
>> >NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS,
>> >NOT EVEN A TREE.
>> >
>> >NO STOCKING BY MANTLE,
>> >JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND,
>> >ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES
>> >OF FAR DISTANT LANDS.
>> >
>> >WITH MEDALS AND BADGES,
>> >AWARDS OF ALL KINDS,
>> >A SOBER THOUGHT
>> >CAME THROUGH MY MIND.
>> >
>> >FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT,
>> >IT WAS DARK AND DREARY,
>> >I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER,
>> >ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY.
>> >
>> >THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING,
>> >SILENT, ALONE,
>> >CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR
>> >IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME.
>> >
>> >THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE,
>> >THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER,
>> >NOT HOW I PICTURED
>> >A UNITED STATES SOLDIER.
>> >
>> >WAS THIS THE HERO
>> >OF WHOM I'D JUST READ?
>> >CURLED UP ON A PONCHO,
>> >THE FLOOR FOR A BED?
>> >
>> >I REALIZED THE FAMILIES
>> >THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT,
>> >OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS
>> >WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT.
>> >
>> >SOON ROUND THE WORLD,
>> >THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY,
>> >AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE
>> >A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY.
>> >
>> >THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM
>> >EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR,
>> >BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS,
>> >LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE.
>> >
>> >I COULDN'T HELP WONDER
>> >HOW MANY LAY ALONE,
>> >ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE
>> >IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME.
>> >
>> >THE VERY THOUGHT
>> >BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE,
>> >I DROPPED TO MY KNEES
>> >AND STARTED TO CRY.
>> >
>> >THE SOLDIER AWAKENED
>> >AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE,
>> >"SANTA DON'T CRY,
>> >THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE;
>> >
>> >I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM,
>> >I DON'T ASK FOR MORE,
>> >MY LIFE IS MY GOD,
>> >MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS."
>> >
>> >THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER
>> >AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP,
>> >I COULDN'T CONTROL IT,
>> >I CONTINUED TO WEEP.
>> >
>> >I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS,
>> >SO SILENT AND STILL
>> >AND WE BOTH SHIVERED
>> >FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL.
>> >
>> >I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE
>> >ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT,
>> >THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR
>> >SO WILLING TO FIGHT.
>> >
>> >THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER,
>> >WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE,
>> >WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA,
>> >IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE."
>> >
>> >ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH,
>> >AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT.
>> >"MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND,
>> >AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT."
>> >
>> >this poem was written by a Marine
>> >stationed in Okinawa Japan. The
>> >following is his request.
>> >I think it is reasonable.....
>> >
>> >"PLEASE. Would you do me the kind favor
>> >of sending this to as many people as you can?
>> >Christmas will be coming soon and some credit
>> >is due to our U.S. service men and women for
>> >our being able to celebrate these festivities."
>
>
>
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Hello Everyone,

The attached message came off the Gregory List. I am forwarding to you
because I am looking for the history of my Thomas Gregory b. 1748-1750.
Since most of you have detailed information on the Poythress line, can anyone
tell me if the Jane mentioned indeed married a Thomas Gregory.

Your ideas and opinions would be appreciated.

BGP

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In a search for "my" THOMAS GREGORY of Augusta County Virginia, I found
another interesting THOMAS GREGORY:
Robert Bolling (1646/1709) came to VA at the age of 15 in 1661...ROBERT
BOLLING married Jane ROLFE d/Thomas ROLFE and Jane POYTHRESS (daughter
of William POYTHRESS) and the granddaughter of John ROLFE and
POCAHONTAS.
Jane (ROLFE) BOLLING died the year after her marriage leaving one son,
Maj. John BOLLING (1676/1729) who m 29 Dec 1697 Henrico Co VA Mary
KENNON. Both she and her father are buried there. (ref: VA Federal
Writers Project).
NOTE: Col. Robert BOLLING m 2. Ann STITH d/John and Jane (?).
JANE (?) m 1. THOMAS GREGORY, 2. Joseph PARSONS, 3. John STITH.
2 Mar 1655 Charles City Co VA: Administration of her husband THOMAS
GREGORY's estate granted JANE GREGORY. (ref: VA Colonial Abstracts,
Fleet).
Anyone have any information re: this THOMAS GREGORY?
Mary Lou (Guyette) Wardlaw


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Fwd: [GREGORY-L] THOMAS GREGORYCharles NealBruce,

Good to hear from you again.

While there was indeed a Robert Bolling who married a Jane Rolfe, who was
indeed a daughter of Thomas Rolfe & his wife, whose name has been
traditionally held in VA to be Jane Poythress, my available info doesn't
extend to the point of knowing anything about Col Robert Bolling's second
wife Ann Stith's mother's first husband. Thus I can neither confirm or
refute that he was Thomas Gregory. The "Jane" who was Ann Stith's mother,
seems to be a different "Jane" than the one who married Thomas Rolfe, from
my reading of the message you copied for us.

If there is a BOLLING list, they could no doubt address your question in
short order.
Good luck,
BPN

11/09/1999 1:23:38
teresa willishoracep8does any have a correct e-mail address for teresa.

horace poythress(lucky)

11/11/1999 7:30:54
Neat innovationsCharles NealThought my fellow-listers would want to see these neat announcements from
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<		11/11/1999 12:38:50
Re: Portis, Portree & PoythressHa, Bruce, we'll all so confused about this name spelling that you may have
the right one and WE may be petitioning YOU for membership! 🙂

I'm still not 100% comfortable with Portis, even having proof of at least one
guy with the name shoved under my nose.

But, Portriss..... that one is so phonetically close to how my father's
family in south Georgia (and just about everyone else in the 19th century
still) pronounced it.....that it just becomes almost a "lock".

Anyway, we'll get there one of these days....and if we don't our
grandchildren will..along about the time they get interested in genealogy.
Philosophically in my dotage.....I'm resigning myself to the principle that
we just do all we can do with what we have.....and they take it from there.
(always have be an el supremo "delegator"...or so I've been told) :).

Best,

Maynard		11/16/1999 5:00:53
Re: Portis, Portree & PoythressBruce....

And if its any help, look at the position of Talbot County
(Talbotton)......absolutely right on that latitude west with Pike, Upsom,
Talbot and Troup...all straight west out of Burke/Screven. Bruce, there's
just got to be something there. The name (regardless of how spelled) is just
too "specific" not to be able to trace along geographic lines....the "due
west" historical movement of those fellows is just too predictable.

Or, as a quasi-anthropolgist buddy of mine says: "the rational for "go west,
young man" was not Horace Greeley romance; it was much more mundane: new
land was cheaper than fertilizer.

Maynard

11/16/1999 5:16:05
JAMES P. PORTIS & James P. PoythressCharles NealBruce,

Re " There is a James P. Poythress who gets a land grant in Madison County,
Florida in 1827. Is this the same James P. ?
I don't believe that he is the same as James P. Portis, but some of you may
have more information on the James P. Poythress in Florida. I haven't
tackled that line yet."

Actually I believe you meant "James P. Poythress who gets a land patent in
GADSDEN County, Florida in 1827." I have seen a copy of the patent, and
it is for 78.72 acres in Gadsden Co. Anyone wanting to see the full
description, etc, can do so at the Bureau of Land Management, General Land
Office website, where you can search by name in every state under their
coverage, for all land patents and grants:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov

I did some research on the James P. Poythress who was in Gadsden Co, FL,
but was unable to conclusively tie him to any earlier family. Near him in
Florida there were also records for George Poythress -- George got land in
Jackson County, FL in 1827, and Jackson Co is adjacent to Gadsden Co.
George is the one who, in his will, named his brother Lewis Poythress who
lived in Virginia as being a conditional heir, however George had other
living heirs -- his children -- and thus no search had to be conducted for
brother Lewis or descendants of brother Lewis.

Would love to hear more about James P. Portis if anyone does have info
about him, and about whether or not he is the same person as the
above-mentioned James P. Poythress.

BPN		11/16/1999 5:26:43
JAMES P. PORTISbruce millerHello List Members,
I am putting out a general plea for help on James P. Portis...any
information on him or his family would be appreciated.
Maybe you have run across information on him that might help untangle the
web. I have found records of him in Upson County, Georgia, Muscogee County,
Georgia, Talbot County, Georgia.. He is in the 1830 Talbot County, Census.
He shows up on a land grant in Tippah County, Mississippi and is on the 1850
Census of Tippah County, Mississippi. His wife is listed as Pheriby...she
is Pheriby Ross, but she was first married to Green Flournoy in 1818 in
Jones County, Georgia. James P. Portis is listed as 50 years of age in the
1850 Census...born in N.C. In 1827 he was listed in the Georgia Lottery as
a winner of land and as a soldier. Tippah County, Mississippi is in the
northern part of the state bordering Tennessee. In the land grant records
of Mississippi, his name is listed as JAMES PORRELL PORTIS. The spelling
of his name never varies from state to state and he apparently had to know
how to read and write as he was the Clerk of the Inferior Court and
Treasurer in Upson County, Georgia in 1825.
There is a James P. Poythress who gets a land grant in Madison County,
Florida in 1827. Is this the same James P. ?
I don't believe that he is the same as James P. Portis, but some of you may
have more information on the James P. Poythress in Florida. I haven't
tackled that line yet.
There is a James Portis listed in the 1810 North Carolina Census and I
have not tracked that one down yet either... it would not be the James P.
Portis of Mississippi as he was born abt 1800.
Help...is there anyone who has traced this James P. Portis or has any
information...or anyone who has worked on the James P. Poythress line in
Florida, so that these two can be seperated as two distinct lines or merged
if they have a connection.
Thanks,
Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		11/16/1999 12:29:20
Portree/PortisBruce......I have never been very diligent in chasing the Portrees and
Portis'es of Georgia. Selfishly I suppose, because my immediate (and "in the
line") guys without exception spelled it Poythress and I concentrated on them
and therefore missed many listings for the variants. In my own defense, I
can only say that I had my hands full with the folks in Burke, Screven and
Effingham and didn't see any point in asking for more trouble.

Anyway, for what its worth:

Portree.....Pike County is on a westward line from that general Burke/Screven
area that most of the Poythress folks came to first from Virginia. We have a
family (Joseph & Mary Poythress) that wound up in Troup County (also on that
"latitude" westward) but I have been unable to hook them to ANYONE, front end
or back end. At any rate, this Portree is entirely new to me.

However, if you are considering the possibility that THIS fellow may have
been the James P. Poythress of Screven County who migrates to Gadsden County,
Fla. I would be inclined to say "no" and feel pretty comfortable with it. If
Mr. Portree's will is in Pike County 1823-1829 (northwest Ga.) he is probably
not the same because James P. Poythress is getting land granted to him in
Gadsden County, FL in late 1820's.

Portris.....I would also bet that James P. Portris is not the same as James
P. Poythress. Portris was literate; so was James P. Poythress.....I have
his signature on a few documents which I'll send you on separate e-mail as
its quite lengthy as I recall. And he consistently spells it Poythress and
signs his documents.

James P. Poythress doesn't tell us where he came from but he leaves a fairly
distinct trail: lives in Screven for what appears to be maybe early middle
age, sells off his Screven property, and moves to Gadsden County, FL where we
lose track of him around 1830.

He shows up as a Freemason in Gadsden, Co. and there is at least a slight
hint that he may have either gone to FL specifically to set up a chapter or
belonged to a chapter incidentally after he got there. I make it unlikely
that he would gravitate due north (way north) to Upson County and have a job
as Clerk of Inferior Court and then take a third trek to get a land grant in
northern Mississippi. There are also Poythresses in present Gadsden County
so James P. Poythress left either part or all of a family there in some
manner.

Heres a tad of irony.....your Portree is from Pike County and your Portis
shows in
Upson County and those two counties are contiguous in far western and
slightly northern Georgia. Gee, since Portis is literate there is no
particular suggestion that the two "variants" have any relationship with each
other even given the adjoining counties. I have learned the hard way about
estimating how much ground those fellows could cover (its a ton) on a "trip"
but when it comes to putting down some roots, three locations widely
separated begins to raise an eyebrow for me.

Its easily 175+ miles from Pike or Upson Counties, Georgia straight to
Gadsden Co., Florida. More importantly, in the time frame specified the route
would be straight through what was then still the Creek Nation. A "pass"
(routine clerical document) would be needed from the Governor's office for
that route. Few of these passes remain on record but I think I have checked
them all both by index and by abstract and nothing resembling any of these
names appeared. James P. Poythress of Screven County would likely NOT have
needed a pass since the very reason he got the land grants was for service in
the "Seminole wars" in and around Gadsden County,
Fl.

Sorry I couldn't help you with Portree and Portis but I'd be comfortable
saying these two are not James P. Poythress of Screven Co., Ga. and Gadsden
County, FL.

Best,

Maynard		11/16/1999 12:53:47
Fw: JAMES P. PORTREE PIKE COUNTY, GEORGIAbruce miller----- Original Message -----
From: bruce miller
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:35 AM
Subject: JAMES P. PORTREE PIKE COUNTY, GEORGIA


> Has anyone checked the record for James P. Portree listed in the "Index to
> Georgia Wills" by Jeannette Holland Austin
> on page 122. The entry is for James P. Portree of Pike County 1823-29.
Is
> there any chance that someone might have a copy of this information and be
> willing to share? Thanks. Bruce Miller
> orvus@wvi.com
>
>		11/16/1999 12:57:15
Elderhostel CourseElderhostel is not for all of us for a number of reasons: age (gotta be over
55), time, expense, etc. Hard as it is for me to remember, there are those
of us who are young enough to have to work for a living :).

However, for those with an interest there is what sounds like a dynamite
course taught at Virginia Commonwealth University/Richmond once per year.

Its title is "With Roots in Virginia" and the course # is 46891-0123.
Typically VCU/Richmond offers it once a year. The Elderhostel format for
this one is for one solid week at $ 431 per person (double occupancy) but
that includes room and board for the week at a nearby motel plus all
materials. For those of you not familiar with Elderhostel and over 55 (or
about to be) I really am impressed with the courses offered all over the U.
S. by this non-profit organization.

This particular course description is:

"Many families have ancestral ties to Virginia through its role in American
history. The highly qualified staff of the Library of Virginia offers a
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family history. The Library's extensive collection includes court, census,
military, and bible/church records; tax lists; maps; genealogical notes;
personal papers; manuscripts; and microfilm and computer materials. Expert
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you".

While this year's course (listed in Elderhostel's Winter 2000 catalog) is
filled and has a substantial standby list, one can reasonably expect VCU to
present this course once a year, typically in Jan-Feb. I missed it last
year and this year but don't plan to miss it in Jan 2001.

If you have an interest you might want to write Elderhostel to get on their
catalog list.
Its:

Elderhostel, Inc.
75 Federal St.
Boston, MA 02110-1941

or, their website is www.elderhostel.org


Maynard		11/17/1999 2:47:05
"Away for......"Charles NealYep, it takes me a while to get the hang of it, but eventually . . .

🙂
Barbara

11/17/1999 9:45:57
Re: James M Portis & Jeremiah PortisBruce......I too was 100% convinced that Portis was not "a variant" until
somebody
a year or so ago nailed me with a Virginia scenario where there was just no
question. I don't have anything to defend the proposition with but my
inclination is to not get to agitated over finding Portis'es.

Maynard		11/17/1999 10:02:14
"Away for......"Well, looks like you're begining to get the hang of this retirement
business.....I figured you would be a quick study on this one. 🙂

Maynard

11/17/1999 10:03:59
James P. PoythressHi, Linda, great to hear from you again and thanks for weighing in on the
John P. Poythress issue.....John P. P. the mystery man would be more like it.

Anyway, may I try to put you to work?

Have you done anything on that newly posted LDS database? (address is:
www.familysearch.org). Caveat: if the thing runs real slowly on you just
come back
a few hours later......its probably one of the most heavily used databases on
the web so you have to look to slip through a crack sometimes.

Anyway, I'd love to ask if we could "task you" (I'm learning yuppie talk from
my daughter) to straighten out that bunch of Gadsden County folks that are on
that data base.

Bad news:LDS uses some goofy suffix on their file names that I can't "save"
on disk, I can only print it out. What a pain since there are a several
hundred P's on there. If you can figure out for us how to "save" copy onto a
drive or disk that would make you
heroine of the year.

Good news: the database shows locations on "name title pages" so its pretty
easy to pick out the ones from Gadsden county. Also, the LDS database is
alpha by given name but that's only a minor pain to "skim" list since they
give you location on the index.

Note that "behind" each individual's page are several other pages that have
pedigree chart, family group record, etc. They even tell you the submitter
for each individual and the lady who looks to have filed all the Poythress
info was a Catherine F. Balaguer, 4750 Seaboard Ave., Jacksonsville, 32210.
Apparently Catherine had some problems like yours because she doesn't reach
very far back but what she has for recent generations looks to be good stuff
conscientiously done.

As I said I can't copy the stuff to a disk so I printed every page. The page
I'm looking at right now (Catherine Poythress, AFN: 1WGT-V43 (that's the LDS
code # for the individual) shows a John Price Poythress b. 19 Sep 1833, d. 6
Sep 1905 as her father.

Possibly (maybe even likely) this JPP would be the son of JPP who immigrated
to
Gadsden County from Screven County, Ga. The Gadsden JPP is shown as
Catherine's father and Catherine's dates are 1883-1970 so if this is
father-daughter,
JPP is siring a kid at age 50, only slightly unusual for the time. The age
of the
mother (Mary Ann Dolan) is not shown and HER age would be a better indicator
as to whether or not there is another JPP generation in that string.

Anyway, I think "Price" as a middle name is a thread to pull on. And without
a shred of proof I'll make book that your ultimate ancester in this scenario
is that JPP who came from Screven County, Ga. And since there are Prices in
Screven County, that would hint that maybe your guy here is indeed the
Screven JPP.

I could speculate endlessly but some of those names get into only 20 and 30
years ago and you'll likely have a lot of the "chart" carrying it around in
your head. So, will you take a whack at it? I'll bet you'd just love to
show up at Deland in March with about half those folks on a big chart (sales
pitch 🙂 Many thanks,

Maynard

P. S. did you get the Screven records okay? AOL always zips the stuff when
its long and it doesn't always work. If you got "junk" instead of text I'll
be happy to just print them and mail them to you....don't forget snail mail
adds.		11/18/1999 5:57:40
(no subject)Hello all,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the info on James P Poythress in GA. It was
requested by someone on the Gregory list which I also follow. I forwarded
your info. and will let you know if any additional info shows up.

Thanks again,
BGP

11/20/1999 2:19:44
Portis-PoythressMaynard, could you elaborate on this Virginia scenario you mention? I
recall seeing Portis in Isle of Wight and Sussex Counties, some actually
trading land in what was then Brunswick County. I have tended to
discount any connection. But if you have found something of a "rosetta
stone" linking Portis to Poythress, some of the information may warrant
revisiting. Thanks.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:02:14 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Bruce......I too was 100% convinced that Portis was not "a variant"
>until
>somebody
>a year or so ago nailed me with a Virginia scenario where there was
>just no
>question. I don't have anything to defend the proposition with but my
>
>inclination is to not get to agitated over finding Portis'es.
>
>Maynard
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>

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Treasure MapsPassing this along one more time in case someone hasn't heard of it. It
really is a first rate newsletter. They were touting it on the Screven
County list today:


> One FREE newsletter I receive each month is TREASURE MAPS Genealogy
E-mail Newsletter
> published by Robert Ragan. I've read several helpful hints that have
helped me find more
> information about my ancestors both on-line AND off-line. There is
some "advertising", but
> the articles and ideas included are quite informative.
>
> If interested go to:
>
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> http://www.firstct.com/fv/tmapmenu.html
>
> Subscribing instructions are given at this site.

If I'm not mistaken when you subscribe Mr. Ragan sends you all the back
issues; if he doesn't don't sweat it, I have them all on my hard drive.

Maynard

11/22/1999 4:39:38
Neat Gift for ChildI'm not much at writing commercials but I stumbled on a neat (and inexpensive)
child's (over, say, 6) yesterday.

For less than $10 bucks a numismatics/coin shop guy will sell you uncirculated
quarters minted to date from both Philadelphia and Denver mints that
commemorate each of the states. Included for that price is a "folder" with
slots to put each new coin in as it is issued. The mint plans to issue a new
one about 5 times a year until in the order in which the states joined the
United States. The child can then look forward to "filling in all the slots".

Five states have commemorative quarters so far issued by the mint.

Given that its getting tough to get something really unusual for a child for
under 10 bucks I thought this one was a winner.

Maynard		11/24/1999 5:22:43
Pretty Park Virus`I got two copies of this today, both from genealogical contacts so there is
at least a chance it will show up on your pc.

If you get an attached file named "Pretty Park" scene zap the whole thing,
message and all. Its got a worm virus according to my Norton detector. My
copy came from a friend so its one of those hidden viruses that you don't
pick up unless you're running a heavy duty "detector". After you zap it you
may want to e-mail your friend (separate e-mail, don't even "reply" to the
original) that its infected.

Maynard

11/28/1999 4:39:17
Re: Poythress-PortisThanks for dredging that one out of the archives for me. Now I remember that
it was those two guys that Barbara Neal found in Brunswick County that made a
believer out of me. I have since seen so many other variants I'll take
almost anything but Smith or Jones nowadays.

Back in February, Teresa Willis found some dynamite stuff in that Brunswick
County library.....something like 7 entries. Teresa, we couldn't talk you
into doing ALL of Brunswick County and in transcription instead of abstract,
could we? I suspect we'd all pledge you our undying love.....that is, if you
survive the experience. I'd give anything to have a week to scour that whole
Brunswick archive out. Does anybody know if all the various "books" are on
microfilm somewhere or is it a "pull down the dusty boxes" operation. I kind
of assume someone has transcribed it since Teresa said "library " and not
"courthouse".

Carol Morrison has done a first rate job of sending us some P's but her
interest, after all, is in Morrisons and she'd make a career out of it if she
added Poythress to her "do it complete" list.

I've got the week to do it in but I'd much rather find it on-line
(improbable) or maybe
inter-library loan if that's possible. Teresa, would you check that out for
me and if you'd give me a bibliography of what to ask for (assuming the books
are eligible for inter-library loan, I'll take it on. I have the strongest
of hunches that Brunswick is where we are going to find the link between
Prince George and Mecklinburg.

Jean and I will be leaving 12/9 for our yearly jaunt to Houston to spend
Christmas with both kids. I'll be spending some time in the Clayton Library.
They have an excellent index of their microfilm....I seem to remember that
they don't have any of this Brunswick stuff which is no particular surprise
but I'll check again. We'll be returning to Louisville about 12/27 or so.

Maynard		11/29/1999 10:31:12
Re: PoythressHi Linda......we'd love it if you could cut out some time to chase those
Gadsden County, FL Poythresses. I'd bet my hat they are ALL descendents of
James P. Poythress so they should be a neat little bundle (yeah, that's what
I always think before I discover a multi-headed dragon).

Re Houston.....have no connections there that I know of as both my kids have
moved there in past 5 years. And I have already worked that Clayton Library
pretty hard as we go for almost entire month of December and I go to the
Clayton just to get out of the way...usually 3 or 4 complete days. I'll be
doing the same again this trip and will post whatever I find.

Best,

Maynard		11/30/1999 7:18:56
Teresa WillisDoes anyone happen to have her snail mail address. I want to mail her some
Brunswick County stuff and Lucky tells me she is off-line for a while.

Thanks,

Maynard

11/30/1999 10:25:14
William D. Poythress Va. CSA PensionerCraig, some time back I recall you asked for some help viewing the
confederate pension application of William D. Poythress of Petersburg,
Va. Sorry I am slow responding to this. All the information is still
available online and, just in case you did not yet get to it, here are
the steps:

Starting from the search page...

...entering "Poythress" takes one to...
=Poythress>.

Click on William D. Poythress to see his catalog card...
10000++++++++++++++>.

Scoll down until you see an icon containing music notes and a CD. Above
it is the phrase "Click on icon for associates image or other media
files:"

Click on the icon to go to...
.

On this page you should see six selections, corresponding to the six
pages of the pension application.

A quick attempt at reading the image indicates the application was taken
28 June 1912 or 1913 of a William D. Poythress residing at 298 Halifax
St., Petersburg, age 78, a resident of Virginia for 76 years.

Let me know if you still have problems, and I can send you the tiff
images as I downloaded them.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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ChristmasI will be in Houston for Christmas with my kids 12/9 through 12/28......but
I'll still be accessing my mail so fire away.

Wishing you all a joyous holiday season.

Maynard

P. S. for those of you with wee ones, Norad will probably have their Santa
radar tracker up and on your monitor and in operation 12/24. The URL is:
www.noradsanta.org/english/ .....this one is always a hit, a
high-tech Santa.		12/03/1999 8:05:51
Re: William D. PoythressMaynard, sorry to hear you had problems with this excellent website. All
the information is available and, just in case you did not yet get to it,
here are the steps:

Starting from the search page...


...entering "Poythress" takes one to...
=Poythress>.

Click on William D. Poythress to see his catalog card...
10000++++++++++++++>.

Scoll down until you see an icon containing music notes and a CD. Above
it is the phrase "Click on icon for associates image or other media
files:"

Click on the icon to go to...


On this page you should see six selections, corresponding to the six
pages of the pension application.

A quick attempt at reading the image indicates the application was taken
28 June 1912 or 1913 of a William D. Poythress residing at 298 Halifax
St., Petersburg, age 78, a resident of Virginia for 76 years.

Let me know if you still have problems, and I can send you the tiff
images as I downloaded them. (Sorry I'm so slow answering this - it's
just been like that around hear since the move.) -lpb


On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:41:13 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Help.....you all gave the "master page" in LVA to get to those CSA
>pension
>papers and posted the individual papers plus supplementary information
>on W.
>L. Poythress.
>
>I went to the same master page list and saw William D. Poythress
>listed right
>under "W. L.".....but nobody found and/or published records for
>William D.
>Poythress...I looked under all the "sub-lists" and couldn't find a
>thing.
>
>I would hazard a guess that it's very likely this William D. Poythress
>is the
>same one as:
>
>Subj: W. D. Poythress
>Date: 3/25/99 4:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: willowbend@mediasoft.net (Craig R. Scott)
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
>Found in Blandford Cemetery, Petersburg
>
>William D. Poythress
>Born 11 July 1834
>Died 29 January 1919
>
>Beloved Brother & Uncle
>
>
>His obituary in the Petersburg "Daily Index Appeal" 31 January 1919
>read:
>
>Funeral of W. D. Poythress
>
>The funeral services of William Demoble Poyhress (sic), who died
>early
>yesterday morning at his home, 415 Mistletoe street will be held this
>morning at 11 o'clock from the grave at Blandford Cemetery.
>
>Mr. Poythress was one of the oldest and most widely known citizens of
>Petersburg, as he was born and spent all of his life here. He was the
>great-great grandson of Col. William Posthress, a descendant of the
>first
>settlers of Petersburg.
>
>Mr. Poythress is survived by an adopted daughter, Miss Annie I Taylor
>and
>one adopted sister, Miss Lena V. Hetney, both of this city.
>
>
>The Blandford Cemetery entry for this burial says:
>
>William D. Poythress
>parentage: Eliz. Dewat
>died 29 January 1919
>Appoplexy
>age 83 - 6- 18
>b. City
>
>
>Anybody know this man?
>
>Craig
>
>Has anybody gotten to William D. Poythress' pension records off that
>master
>page and if so, would you either post the text or tell how you got to
>the
>records? I fiddled with the thing an hour and couldn't seem to crack
>it open.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Maynard

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Re: Census Surname FrequencyBarbara, I just had a chance to look at this site. Very interesting. I
have a spreadsheet of all my known surnames, with various fields such as
Soundex for each and locales in which each name is found. I will be
using this site to add a "1990 frequency" field to my surname list.
Thanks for sharing. -lpb


On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:11:59 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
>Today I found an interesting webpage:
>
>www.census.gov/ftp/pub/genealogy/www/freqnames.html
>
>where they list (with NO personal information about ANYone) the
>frequency
>that surnames occurred in a major sampling from the 1990 Census (yes,
>the
>one only 9 yrs ago). They list POYTHRESS as showing up in their
>sample as
>.001% of the surnames. It was ranked the # 13,431 "most frequent
>surname,"
>out of the 88,799 surnames in their sampling.
>
>You might enjoy checking out the frequency of other surnames you are
>researching, and taking a look at the surname file's listing, in
>order
>from #1 most frequent until whenever down the list you get bored with
>that
>process.
>
>BPN
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
>Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit
>http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
>

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: The American Colonist's LibraryMaynard, I have just had a chance to peruse this site and am very
impressed. This site is a window into most of the foundational documents
of the American experiment!!! What a great find. Well worth the time of
any student of American history to explore closely. Thanks for sharing.
-lpb

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:16:23 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Here is a site worth a few minutes of scanning and just to know its
>there:
>
>http://www.universitylake.org/primarysources.html
>
>Official title is: "The American Colonist's Library--Primary Source
>Documents Pertaining to Early American History.
>

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Palm Pilot genealogical useCharles NealIf any of you have a Palm Pilot, you can benefit from this article. (I
don't have one myself.)
BPN

The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter and is copyright 1999 by Richard W. Eastman. It is
re-published here with the permission of the author.

Message text written by "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter"
Vol. 4, No. 49, Dec. 4, 1999 issue
============================================================
- The Paperless Genealogist?

The current issue of Computers in Genealogy, a quarterly
publication produced in England by the Society of Genealogists,
has an excellent article called, "The Paperless Genealogist?" In
this article, Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake looks at the potential of
handheld computers for the genealogist. Describing his experience
of using Palm Pilot IIIx, he discusses its use for note-taking,
for short-term data storage, and for keeping handy look-up tables
of things like Chapman County Codes while visiting record offices
and the like.

Tyrwhitt-Drake starts the article by writing:

Yes, I know this species is about as likely as the paperless
office, but it's still worth looking at how we can cut down on
those myriad scraps of paper that always seem to get filed in
the wrong place or lost on the train on the way home. The use
of family history databases and event databases has certainly
reduced the way we use paper in our research. I still keep
paper facsimile copies of documents, book pages, etc. These
are stored in a filing system, but now almost all lookups and
references are made to information in my PC databases, to
which all my manuscript notes are transcribed. My present
habit when visiting an archive or library is to make a list
(sometimes mentally) of what I want to achieve, and then write
down my findings, both positive and negative, when I'm there.
If something is of sufficient value or suitably complex, I'll
make a photocopy. But this is about to change.

He then goes on at length to describe his method of recording data
on the Palm Pilot. In the article, Tyrwhitt-Drake describes a
program he wrote that is called GED2Palm. The program currently is
in beta test. It will convert the events in any GEDCOM file,
produced by a desktop genealogy program, to an event database on a
Palm Pilot that will fit in your shirt pocket. You can use this
database while at a county courthouse, a Family History Center, or
any other remote location where you find genealogy records. The
Palm Pilot database is far more convenient than lugging 3-ring
binders of your records or even a 5-pound laptop PC. Barney
Tyrwhitt-Drake will probably release the program soon; keep an eye
on his Web site at: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk

A sister program called Palm2GED is being designed now although it
probably will not be available for some time. Palm2GED will look
at any changes to the database that you have made in your
genealogical travels and recorded in the Palm Pilot. Those changes
are transferred back to the desktop PC and compared to the
original GEDCOM file. Then the program creates a new GEDCOM file
containing the changes made. You can then merge that new file into
your present desktop database, using the capability of a good
modern genealogy program.

The article in "Computers in Genealogy" goes much deeper into this
subject than I can offer here. The complete article is available
only on paper. However, subscriptions to "Computers in Genealogy"
are available worldwide. Subscription information is available at:
http://www.sog.org.uk/cig/subs.html. I would also recommend the
Society's home page at: http://www.sog.org.uk

I own a Palm V palmtop and am looking forward to using this
software when it is ready. Rest assured that I will write about it
in a future edition of this newsletter!

If you would like to follow the developments of this new Palm
Pilot development, keep an eye on: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk		12/07/1999 7:06:39
Re: Virginia BibliographyBarb, thanks for looking.

The good news: I found it 30 minutes ago, down in the basement in an old box
of "back-ups" that we retentives run on a floppie from time to time.

The bad news: it must have been about a month old so since all the "have I
checked" ones show up as "no". I may have to do some starting from scratch
but at least I don't have to make the whole list over again.

I'll do some work on the thing in Texas to see if I can pull some together.
It strikes me that this kind of "matrix" should be a "universal resource" to
which any individual on the list can add a source and even better, say: I
have checked this source and its a blank or even better, I have checked this
source and here is all the "P" info out of it. I haven't seen it discussed
on the listserver but you and I were ago batting around the issue of how to
draw a line through "the dogs that didn't bark". I have no idea how to do
the technology for us all to work off the same list but its got to be a
decent tool. Maybe one of our techies could figure out how to make it work
and come forward. (hint, hint)

Maynard		12/08/1999 2:33:38
Virginia BibliographyNeed some "finding" help please.....

I had prepared two "bibliography search lists" (one for Ga., one for Va.) and
now I have lost the Virginia one. This was a 3 column document entitled
simply "Virginia" at the top. It had 3 columns, first: Author's name,
second: title and other info, and the 3rd column was "checked?

What I used this for was to avoid duplicate checking of library books for
Poythresses. I as I went to a library's card catalog or computer index I
could check each listing to see if I had checked the same volume before. If
I had I would have put "yes" in the "checked" column and could avoid looking
up and recording a duplicate
piece of information. If the original "no" still existed in that final
column, I'd go look in the book's index and take it from there.

Would you all please search your files and see if you have this and send me a
copy?

I'm guessing the most likely of you to have this would be Barbara Poythress
Neal as I began putting this together about the time Barbara and I were
talking about our need for a listing of "dogs that didn't bark", i. e. books
we had already covered and produced no results so don't kill valuable time
looking a second time.

Help somebody pls. Many thanks.

Maynard

P. S. if you have it but can't e-mail it, pls snail mail it to me c/o Leigh
Poythress Wilson, 1201 Enterprise Ave. # 610, League City, TX 77573 ....as I
will be needing it to do Virginia stuff in the Clayton library and I leave
for Houston tomorrow.
Thanks again.		12/08/1999 4:04:41
Virginia BibliographyCharles NealMaynard,

I don't recall ever having it, but I have searched anyway and I came up
empty-handed. If you ever put it on the List in TXT form as a message
(versus as a WORD attachment to individuals), then you could probably come
up with it by checking the List's Archives at:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl [note the last 2
letters of that site address are PL)

Good luck,
BPN		12/08/1999 6:48:46
Re: Palm Pilot genealogical useBeing somewhat aware of the Palm, I find this interesting. I'm not a
regular or accomplished user, but based on my limited experience, I would
be loath to attempt to enter much into the little rascal. Also, when I'm
in an archive, most of my effort involves capturing raw data, very little
involves analysis and stating of results. When I think of a GED, I think
primarily of the latter, not of the former. So maybe this fellow just
researches differently than I do. Thanks for sharing this
thought-provoker!

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

___________________________________________________________________
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Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW!
Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.		12/10/1999 3:23:34
Petersburg, Va., Public Library Newspaper Index 1797-1877The Library of Virginia online archive now includes the Petersburg, Va.,
Public Library card index to their collection of that city's newspapers.
Petersburg is adjacent to Prince George and Dinwiddie counties and has
historically been a seat of commerce for much of that part of Southside
(e.g. Lunenburg, Mecklenburg, Brunswick). Here is a quick summary of the
Poythress cards (with card numbers):
57) Alexander Poythress m. Ella May Davis; 1876
58) Professor G. R. Poythress; 1875
59) Mary Poythress died, inf dau of William D. & Louisa O. Poythress;
1859
60) N. G. D. Poythress (dau of Captain Joshua Poythress) m. Robert C.
Harrison; 1834
61) Col. William Poythress died 1765 reference; 1871
62) Mrs. William Poythress died 1750 reference; 1871
63) William D. Poythress m. Louisa O. Taylor; 1856
The direct URL to the collection is
.

Copies of articles should be ordered through LVa, not through Petersburg
Public Library. Not all issues that were indexed survived long enough to
have been microfilmed. To learn how to order copies of articles, see
.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

___________________________________________________________________
Why pay more to get Web access?
Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW!
Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.		12/10/1999 4:00:11
Petersburg, Va., Public Library Newspaper Index 1797-1877Charles NealLyn, thanks so much for the info about this.

BPN

12/10/1999 5:25:20
1866 & nowCharles NealA non-genie friend sent this & I thought you folks would enjoy pondering
your own ancestor(s) having observed it.
BPN
>
This year will be the first full moon to occur on the winter solstice,
Dec. 22. Since a full moon on the winter solstice occurs in conjunction
with a lunar perigee (point in the moon's orbit that is closest to Earth)
the moon will appear about 14% larger than it does at apogee (the point in
it's elliptical orbit that is farthest from the Earth). Since the Earth is
also several million miles closer to the sun at this time of the year than
in the summer, sunlight striking the moon is about 7% stronger making it
brighter. Also, this will be the closest perigee of the Moon of the year
since the moon's orbit is constantly deforming.
>
>If the weather is clear and there is a snow cover where you live, it is
believed that even car headlights will be superfluous.
>
>The last occurrence of this phenomenon was 133 years ago...21 Dec 1866.
Imagine our ancestors experiencing this!
<		12/12/1999 4:26:03
Re: Palm Pilot genealogical useI know some folk research differently. Do you know if it is possible to use a
video camera that has a capability of near dark recording of microfilm and
actual old documents [low lux] in a place like the GADH or like the basements
of courthouses? or would it present a security risk they are no longer
willing to take? I know that flash photos and bright light reduce the
permanance of a lot of inks, but I would think a video or the new megapixel
digital cameras would be great if they would permit use. Patti

llbaird@juno.com wrote:

> Being somewhat aware of the Palm, I find this interesting. I'm not a
> regular or accomplished user, but based on my limited experience, I would
> be loath to attempt to enter much into the little rascal. Also, when I'm
> in an archive, most of my effort involves capturing raw data, very little
> involves analysis and stating of results. When I think of a GED, I think
> primarily of the latter, not of the former. So maybe this fellow just
> researches differently than I do. Thanks for sharing this
> thought-provoker!
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Why pay more to get Web access?
> Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW!
> Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
>
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Re: Palm Pilot genealogical usePatti, keep flogging this one.....even though I have more "technology" than I
can handle already, that one sounds like a lifesaver.

Thanks,

Maynard

12/15/1999 3:56:07
Re: Palm Pilot genealogical useCharles NealPatti,

Use of a video camera in researching would no doubt vary from place to
place, depending on what each place allows.
BPN

12/15/1999 10:07:54
Virginia BibliographyCharles NealYes, that is EXACTLY what I mean: just pure old plain "text." In WORD
for example, you can hit "Save As" (under "File" at the upper left end of
the blue bar at the top) and then at the lower portion of the little window
that opens, click on the choices of formats to save it at the "Save As
Type..." bar, and choose "text only: .txt" It saves the file as whatever
name you give it with the extension " .txt" rather than " .doc" such
as "bibliog.txt"

That way, ANYONE and EVERYONE can see the entire document, no matter what
type of word processor they have. (That by the the way is the same kind of
text used in email messages -- just pure old text, with no formatting to
fit individual programs. That is why in email you cannot underline
anything -- it is just pure old text.)

The real beauty of using txt is that the file can actually BE the email
message, and not have to be ATTACHED to an email message.

Thus, Maynard, you can pull up your "Virginia Bibliography.doc" document,
and follow the above directions giving it the name "Virginia
Bibliography.txt" in the "Save As" portion, and save it as pure text. If
you then close it & reopen the txt version, you will see what formatting
was lost in that version, such as tab-indents, italicizing, underlining,
etc. Block the entire thing & hit "copy;" then close your WORD program &
go into whatever emailing program you use such as Juno; create a message to
everyone, and after you give it a subject line, click down in the area
where you type a message, & hit "paste" and your entire bibliography will
actually BE the message.

Hope this helps.
BPN

Message text written by INTERNET:pattited@smartlink.net
>
By TXT form do you mean that as a file name it should read for example
"meridian.txt" as a file name rather than "meridian.doc" as in the word for
windows file format
protocol? Is that because some of us use word, some use wordperfect,and
others use mac based software and other oooperating systems like os/2 [the
ooop is for oops!].
<		12/15/1999 10:16:33
Bruns. County DeedsCarol, I'm in Houston and the Clayton Genealogical Library has a limited
supply of Brunswick microfilm......what looks to be all of the deed books,
the will books, and a couple of Court Order books that I'm having difficulty
understanding. They also have
INDEXES to these on microfilm.....with a few minor problems in the indexes.

I have two questions for the reigning Brunswick County expert (that's y that
I would like to pose to you if you have the time and I will greatly
appreciate and value your opinion.

Problem number 1 (I'll put #2 in a separate e-mail as it requires a "paste"
and since I'm on a "guest" computer I can't "build" it clearly.

In the indexes for the Deed Book 12 up jumps a deed from John Morris & wife
to Meredith Poythress in 1783. (1783 looks about right in the "dates sequence
to be in Book 12. Although I'm chugging along in Deed Book 12 all of a
sudden a long string of deeds starts showing in a column that clearly now
says "Court Order Book #2".

If the regular deed book 12 didn't resume "DB 12" in the "book" column in a
page or so I would have said it looked like the guy filled up his deed book,
didn't have another one and just found an empty Court Order Book #2 and
started indexing deeds in it.

This deed, according to the index, should be on page 506 of "Order Book 2".
Do you have access to Order Book 2 to see if the thing is there and
transcribe it for me.

(Carol, it is entirely possible that I may be looking at a different index
than the one you have access to but in any case, mine was done in 1949 by the
LDS folks)

A Meredith Poythress buying land in Brunswick in 1783 would be quite
meaningful to us in the sense that Meredith had likely not made the decision
to immigrate to Georgia. This, along with a number of Thomas Poythress court
actitivity which I have
dictated but not yet transcribed, has the potential to be important.

Many thanks,

Maynard Poythress		12/15/1999 12:31:28
Bruns. County DeedsQuestion # 2.....See the following deed:

Peter Poythress
Brunswick County, VA Deed Book 14, page 612 (1790)

Peter Poythress
To
Christopher Haskins

This indenture made this 24th day of March in the year of our Lord one
thousand seven hundred and seventy four between Peter Poythress of the county
of Prince George of the one part and Christopher Haskins of the county of
Brunswick of the other part. Witnesseth, that the said Peter Poythress for
and in consideration of the sum of 9L current money of Virginia to him in
hand paid by the said Christopher Haskins the receipt whereof he the said
Peter Poythress doth hereby acknowledge hath granted and bargained and sold
aliened and confirmed that by these presents doth grant bargain sell alien
and confirm unto the said Christopher Haskins his heirs and assigns forever
six acres of land as the same more or less lying situate on Nottoway River in
the aforesaid county of Brunswick, as bounded as follows��(typical text
describing boundaries in detail)�.Witness whereof the said Peter Poythress
hath herewith set his hand and affixed his seal on the day and year above
written.

Signed sealed and delivered
In the presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
William Jones
Benjamin Jones
Robert Burlington
Deely Mathis

The question is that 1790 is about in sequence to be in Deed Book 12 where
this one is clearly indexed (and the index looks roughly contemporaneous with
the deeds themselves). And the deed is clearly sitting there on page 512 of
Deed Book 12 with all the surrounding wills dated about 1790.

However:
1. the text of the will clearly says 1774.
2. 1790 is likely too late for Peter to still be alive if he is the Peter I
think he is.

I guess I'm no longer inclined to put 100% faith in what appears to be the
"current" index to Brunswick County deeds......or is there something in here
that I'm missing?

Thanks,

Maynard		12/15/1999 12:54:23
Re: Bruns. County DeedsWillow Bend Books>The question is that 1790 is about in sequence to be in Deed Book 12 where
>this one is clearly indexed (and the index looks roughly contemporaneous
with
>the deeds themselves). And the deed is clearly sitting there on page 512 of
>Deed Book 12 with all the surrounding wills dated about 1790.
>
>However:
>1. the text of the will clearly says 1774.

And 1774 it is.

>2. 1790 is likely too late for Peter to still be alive if he is the Peter I
>think he is.

And it probably is the Peter that you are thinking of.

>
>I guess I'm no longer inclined to put 100% faith in what appears to be the
>"current" index to Brunswick County deeds......or is there something in
here
>that I'm missing?

Yeah. It is not uncommon for folks to not bother to file their deeds in
the courthouse until they have to. Sometimes it can take generations.

Craig		12/16/1999 6:59:43
Re: Deed - Morris & wife to PoythressCarol, I think what Clayton is calling Order Book 2 is really their microfilm
roll # 2 because it clearly says it ends in 1782......but don't turn your
house inside out just yet. I'll be back down to the library by Tuesday at
least and will check once more.

I'm finding out that Clayton buys a lot of microfilm "indexes" without having
the texts to match. Probably pretty realistic in one sense if they have a
budget limitation (they appear not to). On the other hand, no matter where a
library is I expect Virginia stuff to always be there if one accepts the
premise "in the beginning Virginia is all there was".

Thanks again for the help.

Maynard		12/16/1999 11:44:29
Your prayers are neededCharles NealCrystal,

Prayers being sent.
BPN

12/20/1999 2:32:55
Your prayers are neededHello List,
I know it's been awhile since I posted anything to you guys but I thought I
would pass along this information to you.

For those of you that have interest in Bethany, on the school register is
listed Odell Peters. She was the daughter of Bessie Poythress and Alger
Peters. She is now residing in CA and left Friday heading to NC for Christmas
with her family. We recieved a phone call last night from another cousin
telling us that Odell is missing. A phone call was made from her cell phone
on Friday night to her landlord who spoke to Odell and said she was in
hysteria. According to what was told to my cousin, the man who called the
landlord said he was a police officer and needed a credit card # to put Odell
up in a hotel. I don't know all the exact details but it just doesn't hold
water with me.

A missing persons report has been filed with CA and we are in the process of
trying to get all the details. Meanwhile, if you could please keep Odell and
her family in your prayers. I will send more info as it comes in.

Thanks
Crystal

12/20/1999 2:59:05
RE: Your prayers are neededJPMCrystal,

All thoughts and prayers are being said by myself and family.

Kathy Maner



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12/20/1999 3:23:42
Your prayers are neededSarah PoythressCrystal,

My prayers are with all of you.

Sarah Poythress

12/20/1999 9:23:14
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V99 #213Debbie FreemanCrystal,
Our prayers are with you here in CA.

Debbie Freeman


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Prayers and thoughts updateCharles NealCrystal, amen, and thank you so much for the update.
BPN

12/21/1999 10:09:37
Prayers and thoughts updateThank you all for you prayers and thoughts through this ordeal. We got word
today that Odell had left the hotel she was put up in by the LAPD, after she
was mugged, on Saturday morning around 8. She was so upset and confused that
she got herself turned around and sometime today made it back to her home in
CA. She is home safe and sound. Definitely shook up but she's ok. Thank GOD
and all of you for your prayers and thoughts. And they say prayers aren't
answered. Another Christmas Miracle for my family 🙂

Thanks again
Lots of hugs and kisses
Merry Christmas to all
and Happy New Year
Crystal		12/21/1999 12:12:00
New InfoBelow is off the Screven County list today. I'm trying to max every minute
in Clayton Lib. in Houston so won't get a chance to check it until next week
late but thought you all might want to know about it anyway.

Merry Christmas!

Maynard

ginal Message-----
> From: Archives & Archivists [mailto:ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU] On
> Behalf Of CLARK JULEIGH ... LIBRARY
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 2:35 PM
> To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> Subject: Colonial Williamsburg's Rockefeller Library on the web
>
>
> ROCKEFELLER LIBRARY UNVEILS NEW WEBSITE
>
>
> The John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Library has unveiled a greatly
expanded
> section on the Colonial Williamsburg website
(http://www.history.org),
> offering individuals interested in the colonial Chesapeake the
opportunity
> to search the library?s vast collections. New features include
PATRIOT, the
> Rockefeller Library?s online catalog listing the 68,000 titles in
the
> Library, and guides to manuscript, microfilm, selected photograph
and other
> research collections, such as the Shirley Plantation Collection of
over
> 18,000 manuscript items. Previously, individuals had to physically
visit
> the library or be connected to an internal network to access these
> resources.
> ?We have electronically opened the doors to our major
collections by
> adding finding aids and the Library catalog to the World Wide Web, ?
says
> Public Services Librarian Juleigh Clark. ?Now, when researchers
come to the
> Library, they will have a better idea of what we own, and we can
serve them
> more efficiently.? Other features on the website include a virtual
exhibit
> of some of the treasures from the Rockefeller Library?s rare book
and
> manuscript collections and special indexes to articles in The
Colonial
> Williamsburg Journal and The Colonial Williamsburg Interpreter. Of
special
> interest is an index to the several hundred research reports written
at
> Colonial Williamsburg over the last sixty years. Early American
History
> Research Reports are distinguished for the significant amount of
primary
> source material in them and for their time and place specificity:
> eighteenth-century Virginia.
> The John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Library is a research library
> specializing in the history and culture of the colonial Chesapeake.
It is
> located near the Historic Area at 313 First Street and is open to
the
> public. Library hours are Monday through Friday from 10 a.m. to 5
p.m.
>
> Contact:
>
> Juleigh Muirhead Clark
> Public Services Librarian
> John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Library
> Colonial Williamsburg Foundation
> Williamsburg, Virginia 23815-1776		12/22/1999 2:13:52
xmashoracep8Hello Cousins

We wish all of you a very merry Chirstmas and a happy new year. To any one
Researching the Poythress Family of NC.I now have Over 400 names in my tree.
If you have a Family tree maker, I would be glad to send you my file.

Horace and Betty Poythress		12/22/1999 3:03:03
Merry ChristmasHello
Cousins
Hope all is well with you and yours this Christmas. Have a beautiful
blessed entry into the next millinium or the next century! [some folk
believe it is the beginning of the next milinium...others think it
starts Jan 1, 2001]...I will be PC on my PC and sit on the fence on it.
I just hope it is safe and healthy, and prosperous many years into
whatever you chose to call it.
Patti		12/22/1999 5:16:49
TONIGHT Biggest MOON in 133 yrsLook out tonight. It is the closest the full moon will be to us in 133
years. Enjoy it. Patti		12/22/1999 5:18:07
Person of the centuryPlease disseminate to widest distribution.
>
> Let's give our vets and other G.I.s the recognition they deserve.
Finally
> got around to looking at Time website and voting. The American GI
truly
> belongs in the number one position. It is embarrassing to not find it
in
> the top twenty.
>
> I am passing this on.... please do the same. Here is the deal. Use
the
> link below and then vote. You gotta do this. It is important. When
the
> screen pops up, it will say "Time Person of the Century." There will
be a
> blank in which you type out for whom you cast your vote. You type in
> "American GI", then push button for "Submit" to cast your ballot.
That is
> all. If there are 600,000 patriots left in this country, then we win
the
> recognition that is due the TRUE Person of the Century: The American
GI.
>
> http://www.pathfinder.com/time/time100/poc/century.html
>
> AT this point ELVIS PRESLEY leads the vote count with 15% of votes
cast.
> That amounts to somewhat over 600,000 votes. You would not believe
some
> of the other clowns in the vote count. Colin Powell wrote a stirring
> nomination for the American GI as TIME's Person of the Century which I
am
> enclosing.
>
> One more time, stand up and be counted. This is for all those who
gave it
> all for the institution this past 100 years. Make sure the younger
> generations who read TIME realize that we did not forget who got us
where
> we are today. None did more this century than the American GI to
deliver
> us to the world of freedom and opportunity that we now enjoy. The
> American GI. Help us get him the recognition he is due.
> ____________________
>
> The Warriors, The American G.I. By Colin Powell
>
> From disparate roots, but united by patriotic courage, U.S. soldiers
> preserved freedom around the world.
>
> As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I referred to the men and
women
> of the armed forces as "G.I.s." It got me in trouble with some of my
> colleagues at the time. Several years earlier, the Army had officially

> excised the term as an unfavorable characterization derived from the
> designation "government issue." Sailors and Marines wanted to be known
as
> sailors and Marines. Airmen, notwithstanding their origins as a rib of
the
> Army, wished to be called simply airmen. Collectively, they were
blandly
> referred to as "service members."
>
>
> I persisted in using G.I.s and found I was in good company. Newspapers
and
> television shows used it all the time. The most famous and successful
> government education program was known as the G.I. Bill, and it still
uses
> that title for a newer generation of veterans. When you added one of
the
> most common boy's names to it, you got G.I. Joe, and the name of the
most
> popular boy's toy ever, the G.I. Joe action figure. And let's not
forget
> G.I. Jane. G.I. is a World War II term that two generations later
> continues to conjure up the warmest and proudest memories of a noble
war
> that pitted pure
> good against pure evil-and good triumphed. The victors in that war
were
> the American G.I.s, the Willies and Joes, the farmer from Iowa and the

> steelworker from Pittsburgh who stepped off a landing craft into the
hell
> of Omaha Beach. The G.I. was the wisecracking kid Marine from Brooklyn
who
> clawed his way up a deadly hill on a Pacific island. He was a black
> fighter pilot escorting white bomber pilots over Italy and Germany,
> proving that
> skin color had nothing to do with skill or courage. He was a native
> Japanese-American infantryman released from his own country's
> concentration camp to join the fight. She was a nurse relieving the
agony
> of a dying teenager. He was a petty officer standing on the edge of a
> heaving aircraft carrier with two signal paddles in his hands, helping

> guide a dive-bomber pilot back onto the deck.
>
> They were America. They reflected our diverse origins. They were the
> embodiment of the American spirit of courage and dedication. They were

> truly a "people's army," going forth on a crusade to save democracy
and
> freedom, to defeat tyrants, to save oppressed peoples and to make
their
> families proud of them. They were the Private Ryans, and they stood
firm
> in the thin red line. For most of those G.I.s, World War II was the
> adventure of their lifetime. Nothing they would ever do in the future
> would match their experiences as the warriors of democracy, saving the

> world from its own insanity. You can still see them in every Fourth of

> July color guard, their gait faltering but ever proud. Their
forebears
> went by other names: doughboys, Yanks, buffalo soldiers, Johnny Reb,
Rough
> Riders. But "G.I." will be forever lodged in the consciousness of our
> nation to apply to them all. The G.I. carried the value system of the
> American people. The G.I.s were the surest guarantee of America's
> commitment. For more than 200 years, they answered the call to fight
the
> nation's battles. They never went forth as mercenaries on the road to
> conquest. They went forth as reluctant warriors, as citizen soldiers.
> They were as gentle in victory as they were
> vicious in battle. I've had survivors of Nazi concentration camps tell
me
> of the joy they experienced as the G.I.s liberated them: America had
> arrived!
>
> I've had a wealthy Japanese businessman come into my office and tell
me
> what it was like for him as a child in 1945 to await the arrival of
the
> dreaded American beasts, and instead meet a smiling G.I. who gave him
a
> Hershey bar. In thanks, the businessman was donating a large sum of
money
> to the USO. After thanking him, I gave him as a souvenir a Hershey
bar I
> had autographed. He took it and began to cry.
>
> The 20th century can be called many things, but it was most certainly
a
> century of war. The American G.I.s helped defeat fascism and
communism.
> They came home in triumph from the ferocious battlefields of World
Wars I
> and II. In Korea and Vietnam they fought just as bravely as any of
their
> predecessors, but no triumphant receptions awaited them at home. They
> soldiered on through the twilight struggles of the cold war and showed

> what they were capable of in Desert Storm. The American people took
them
> into their hearts again.
>
> In this century hundreds of thousands of G.I.s died to bring to the
> beginning of the 21st century the victory of democracy as the
ascendant
> political system on the face of the earth. The G.I.s were willing to
> travel far away and give their lives, if necessary, to secure the
rights
> and freedoms of others. Only a nation such as ours, based on a firm
moral
> foundation, could make such a request of its citizens. And the G.I.s
> wanted nothing more than to get the job done and then return home
safely.
> All they asked for in repayment from those they freed was the
opportunity
> to help them become part of the world of democracy-and just enough
land to
> bury their fallen comrades, beneath simple white crosses and Stars of
> David. The volunteer G.I.s of today stand watch in Korea, the Persian

> Gulf, Europe and the dangerous terrain of the Balkans. We must never
see
> them as mere hirelings, off in a corner of our society. They are our
best,
> and we owe them our full support and our sincerest thanks. As this
> century closes, we look back to identify the great leaders and
> personalities of the past 100 years. We do so in a world still
troubled,
> but full of promise. That promise was gained by the young men and
women of
> America who fought and died for freedom. Near the top of any listing
of
> the most important people of the 20th century must stand, in singular
> honor, the American G.I.		12/26/1999 10:55:17
Clayton Library/Mecklenburg Co. VAFor some reason, perhaps budget restraints, the Clayton Library has a number
of microfilmed "indexes" without having the text of the documents themselves.

I have copied the index titled: General Index to Deeds, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia
1765-1933. The index stopped at 1900. The index was by "grantor"; I scanned
by
grantee and saw none but I could have missed one as the microfilm is quite
poor.

I have transcribed this list into an Excel document with the thought that it
might someday be a good checklist for one of us who gets into those
Mecklenburg records, whether at the courthouse or in the Library of Virginia.

Since I cannot "attach" a document to the rootsweb address, I am sending it
to those whom I suspect might want this list in their files and I'm sending
it simultaneously to individual e-mail addresses. If you do not receive it,
it is likely I didn't send it to you.....you might be one whom I know has no
interest in Mecklenburg County, or I may not have your individual e-mail
address.

If you don't get it and want a copy just drop me an e-mail
(vkratliff@aol.com) and I'll send you a copy and offer my apologies in
advance for having "missed" you.

Best,

Maynard

(this is my first crack at creating an Excel document so if it goes awry,
would one of you techies come to my rescue? Thanks).		12/27/1999 3:09:53
Re: Clayton Library/Mecklenburg Co. VACharles NealMaynard,

FYI, I checked your Excel spreadsheet listing of the Grantors' General
Index to Deeds, Mecklenburg Co, VA 1765-1933 (which you said stopped at
1900 in the copy you saw), against the photocopies I had earlier made of
the pertinent "P" pages from a microfilm of that index which I saw
elsewhere. As you said, the microfilm was poor.

However I did note a couple of differences from your version, which may be
due to a different copy of the index book being microfilmed at a different
time, and want to list them below. The photocopies I have from microfilm
of this index were made early in my researching, and I failed to note on
them exactly where & when I made them.

2nd line, re the listing recorded 15 Nov 1813 in Deed Book [DB] 15, p.219:

grantor was indeed Poythress [by using "Do" for "Ditto], Lewis etal, but
the correct Grantee's name is "Commonwealth of Va." Also, this instrument
is shown as being a "Bond" and all the others, except one listed below, are
shown here as being Deeds.

3rd line, re the listing recorded 13 Aug 1831 in DB 24, p.382:
grantor's name is listed on my copy as "Poytress [sic], Francis, &
Littleberry H." [thus having a middle initial for Littleberry, and not
including Hardyman as a grantee, as you showed, & thus showing a different
spelling of the surname], and the grantee is listed here as "Carter,
William H." [not Wm D, as you showed]

4th line, re the listing recorded 21 Feb 1842 in DB 29, p.459:
grantor's surname for David & Mary S. is shown as "Poytress" by use of
"Do" for "Ditto" from the immediately-listed above item.

6th line, re the first of two listings recorded 18 Oct 1845 in DB 31,
p.605:
grantor's name is shown here as "Poythress [by using "Do" for "Ditto],
Lewis Sr." and not Lewis Y. as you showed

10th line, re the listing recorded 17 Jul 1848 in DB 32, p.537:
this instrument is shown as being a "D-T" or Deed of Trust, in my
copy.

11th line, re the listing recorded 20 Sep 1852 in DB 34, p."85" as shown by
you:
here you showed page 85, when my copy shows page 75, and also, for this
one, you listed the grantee's name as "Cleaton, Charles D." I think if you
check back with the microfilm while you are there, you will find that you
have inadvertently combined two consecutive listings. The first one here
(which on my copy shows the date above & DB 34, p.75) shows the grantee's
name as "Cleaton, Charles" with no middle initial, with the "75" page
number. THEN the immediately-next line, which you do not have in your
spreadsheet shows:
18 Oct 1852 recorded date for grantors "Poythress [by using "Do" for
"Ditto], Lucy J, Thomas M., Rebecca B." and grantee as "Cleaton, Chas D"
for a "Deed" in DB 34, p.85

13th line of your spreadsheet, re the listing recorded 09 Jan 1897 in DB
55, p.58:
the grantors' names on my copy show as: "Poythress [by using "Do" for
"Ditto], etal A J, J D, Lucy, Rosa, W L, Richard" rather than as you show
it very similarly except you show "Rosa L" rather than both Rosa and W L

14th line of your spreadsheet, re the listing recorded 12 Jul 1898 in DB
56:
you show the page number as being "58" or identical to the line above's
page number. My copy shows the page number as really being "193"

15th line of your spreadsheet, re the listing recorded 23 Oct 1900:
for some reason between your version of Excel & my version of Excel, the
date is coming in as "23 Oct 2000" rather than 1900 as I know it to be from
my photocopy. Also, on the grantors' names, my copy shows "Poythress [by
using "Do" for "Ditto], etal Richard, and Rosa" where your version didn't
show that "etal." Also, on the grantee's name my copy shows it as "Tudor,
H.V." rather than the middle initial being different as on your copy.

Further, my copy does indeed go beyond 1900, though it gets very hard to
read at that part of the page. The 3 additional Poythress listings [all
using "Do" for "Ditto" on that spelling of the surname] are as follows,
with the actual day of the month they were recorded being illegible so I'm
not guessing at them here. The grantors for all 3 of these deeds are:
"Poythress, F.A., Annie May" [who we know would be Foxhall A. Poythress &
his wife Annie May, by the way]
Nov 1910 grantee "Whitley, H.G." DB 74, p.40
Jan 1915 grantee "Jones, Z.L." DB 78, p.447
Mar 1923 [or possibly 1928 or 1929 -- very difficult to read that digit]
grantee "Tudor, J.R." DB 92, p. 238

Also, if you will re-check the Grantees' Index, and look all the way thru
it, at one of the "P" pages numbered "39" in the Index (and as I recall
there were MORE than ONE p.39), you will indeed find a whole string of VERY
difficult to read Poythress & Pothress & Poytress & Portress entries on the
lower half of the page, which are continued to the top of the next page,
numbered as p. "40"

Hope this helps. Maynard, I am sending you separately a copy of this
message, with a copy of the Excel spreadsheet that I have amended to
include the above changes/additions. That way if other folks want it, you
will have both versions to send out.
BPN		12/30/1999 9:27:49
War of 1812, five PoythressesDiana Diamondhttp://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4281.htm

Found the following at ancestory.com, which is having a free 10 days viewing
of the muster rolls for War of 1812

POYTHRESS PATRICK H 83 REG'T (SCOTT'S) VIRGINIA MILITIA.
POYTHRESS PETER 83 REG'T (SCOTT'S) VIRGINIA MILITIA.
POYTHRESS WILEY 4 REGIMENT VIRGINIA MILITIA.
POYTHRESS WILLIE 1 REG'T (ALLEN'S) VIRGINIA MILITIA.
POYTHRESS WILIE 62 REG'T (SELDEN'S) VIRGINIA MILITIA.		12/31/1999 1:39:28
Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR WISH TO ALLHere's a great New Years message that expresses my feelings for sure. Just
sit back, with one for the road especially is you're not planning to leave,
have one for me too, then read and enjoy the following.

Our very best wishes to you and yours for the New Millennium!.........

Merle and Bud
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
In a message dated 12/31/1999 2:44:37 PM Atlantic Standard Time, Frank P.
writes:

<<< Here's wishing you the best in the year 2000. May you be happy,
prosperous and at peace with yourself.

A Wish For The New Millennium.

May your hair, your teeth, your face-lift, your ABS and your stocks not
fall; and May your blood pressure, your triglycerides, your cholesterol,
your white blood count and your mortgage interest not rise.

May you get a clean bill of health from your dentist, your cardiologist,
your gastro-endocrinologist, your urologist, your proctologist, your
podiatrist, your psychiatrist, your plumber and the IRS.

May you find a way to travel from anywhere to anywhere in the rush hour
in less than an hour, and when you get there, may you find a parking
space.

May Friday evening, December 31, find you seated around the dinner table,
together with your beloved family and cherished friends,
ushering in the New Year ahead. You will find the food better, the
environment quieter, the cost much cheaper, and the pleasure much more
fulfilling than anything else you might ordinarily do that night.

May you wake up on January 1st, finding that the world has not come
to an end, the lights work, the water faucets flow, and the sky has not
fallen.

May you go to the bank on Monday morning, January 3rd and find your
account is in order, your money is still there and any mistakes are in
your favor.

May you ponder on January 4th; how did this ultramodern civilization
of ours manage to get itself traumatized by a possible slip of a blip on
a chip made out of sand.

May you have the strength to go through a year of presidential
campaigning, and May some of the promises made be kept. May you
believe at least half of what the candidates propose, and May those
elected fulfill at least half of what they promise, and the miracle of
reducing taxes and balancing budgets happen.

May what you see in the mirror delight you, and what others see in you
delight them.

May the telemarketers wait to make their sales calls until you finish
dinner, and May your checkbook and your budget balance, and May they
include generous amounts for charity.

May you remember to say "I love you" at least once a day to your
spouse, your child, your parent; but not to your secretary, your nurse,
your masseuse, your hairdresser or your tennis instructor.

May we live as intended, in a world at peace and the awareness of the
beauty in every sunset, every flower's unfolding petals, every baby's
smile and every wonderful, astonishing, miraculous beat of our heart.

And, May you forward this on to someone that could use a smile and a
laugh to brighten their day. >>>>		12/31/1999 8:28:30